********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:43:16 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: PC800 '97 To all Who has more info about the new model for 1997? We in Holland and specialy we from the Pacific Coast Netherlands like to know more about it. Are there color pics of 1997 PC? If so, is there someone that would scan them for us, and post it to my E-Mail address? (please JPG format) Keep me updated Thank you in advance Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast the Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 18:33:41 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FW: PC800 '97 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Gerard Diepeveen Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 1996 11:43 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 '97 To all Who has more info about the new model for 1997? Gerard, you will probably get alot of responses on this. My dealer had a color pic of the '97 Coast which I saw last weekend. It was red with a very dark grey or black bottom. The red appeared to be 1996 VFR750 red. It was a darker red than this years Pacific Coast. The big change was to a smaller front fender. The front fender in the picture was very small. As small, or smaller than on the ST11. The front wheel was entirely uncovered. This gave the bike a much more traditional look. Otherwise the bike looked unchanged. There were no information on any mechanical changes. Sorry I could not scan it, but I bet all dealers received the same piece. Perhaps someone else can "May the Pacific Coast be with you" .....and also with you. Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 19:03:39 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gerard Diepeveen CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Listmember Pictures Gerard Diepeveen wrote: > It's a nice idea but which page should it be? I do not have much megabytes left on the server Forgive me for not being more specific. I was referring to the US PC-800 web page. If I remember correctly, a reasonable sized JPEG file is about 50 - 70 kb of memory. I guess that's about 15 to 20 pictures per Mbyte of drive space. Maybe I should write Bill Clinton and tell him your country needs foreign aid and that the US should send you a 1 tera-byte hard drive as a gesture of good will. ;) gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 19:28:29 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Windshield "Fog-Out" Had an interesting experience on the ride in to work today. It was about 35 degrees and clear. I live near the Connecticut River and it's not unusual to have fog at the house and clear skies 3/4 of a mile out of the valley. Anyway, even though it remained clear all the way to work, there were several areas of higher humidity and/or temperature differential which *Instantly* fogged the windshield. I have the OEM windshield as I prefer to look over it and I now have a much more valid reason than not wanting to look through the distortion. Although I needed to crack the visor to prevent "breath fog", at no time did the visor fog as did the windshield. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:24:54 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 23:15:09 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: new toys... I'm disgustingly happy. New Aerostich came via UPS today. I almost _want_ it to rain.... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:52:35 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Always-On Headlights on Cars Yes, this bothers me greatly! For "safety's sake", cars are becoming brighter and brighter, but the safetycrats have forgotten about other types of vehicles. People who drive with only half their attention on what they're doing are getting used to having another vehicle scream at them "Here I am!" and any vehicle that doesn't do that isn't seen. Government/industry-sponsored "I-didn't-see-them" situations. It started with big bright tail lights on the Japanese cars, then the center-mounted brake lights, now the always-on headlights. Where will it end? It's especially bad for older vehicles-- my '77 Beemer has a little taillight only a few inches across. End of tirade. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:25:45 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: 7500 mile service My '89 PC 800 is ready for it's 7500 mile service. (I bought it used with 2500 and put 5000 miles on it in the last 12 months) Does anyone know what needs to be done @ 7500 miles? The dealer wants $110 labor + $75 parts for the service... Is the a fair price? I'm not a mechanic, but I know how to change the oil, should I be doing some of this stuff myself? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! John John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Gary E. Klim'" , "'PC-800 E-Mail Group'" Subject: RE: Windshield "Fog-Out" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:26:27 -0700 I've experienced the phenomena several times riding in the Northwest. Particularly common for some reason when leaving a campground on the morning hours. Don't know of a solution other than frequent wiping of the water and looking for a sunnier place to ride. Keeps me sitting straight and tall till it goes away. -bryceu (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 00021685; Wed, 2 Oct 96 13:01:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:59:50 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, John LaFreniere Subject: Re: 7500 mile service --IMA.Boundary.005682448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part That sounds like a rip-off to me, but that depends on what he is doing. I had a set of tires mounted, the oil changed and the air filter changed all for about a $100 bucks recently. The only parts I didn't have were the oil filter and oil. Honda's air filter is like $43 so that could be part of it. Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: 7500 mile service Author: John LaFreniere at INTERNET Date: 10/2/96 12:25 PM My '89 PC 800 is ready for it's 7500 mile service. (I bought it used with 2500 and put 5000 miles on it in the last 12 months) Does anyone know what needs to be done @ 7500 miles? The dealer wants $110 labor + $75 parts for the service... Is the a fair price? I'm not a mechanic, but I know how to change the oil, should I be doing some of this stuff myself? Thanks in advance for any suggestions! John John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu --IMA.Boundary.005682448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 0002155F; Wed, 2 Oct 96 12:23:21 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id MAA18230; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26300; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:55:21 -0500 (CDT) 02 Oct 1996 14:21:10 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10729 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:20:57 -0500 (CDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03637 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:18:22 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:25:45 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: 7500 mile service --IMA.Boundary.005682448-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:37:40 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Windshield "Fog-Out" FWIW, I drove (truck) down the Alcan Hwy in late fall-- clear day-- the area was rolling hills and we'd drive down into a valley and the side mirrors would ice up-- then as we'd drive up the other side, they'd clear. Strange. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:44:09 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: FW: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast At 09:00 PM 9/28/96 UT, you wrote: >Who knows...there may be a 1997 Honda soap dish in my future! >Uh oh! Better wait until Honda announces the price. >I'm waiting until Juan gets that PC1100 ready to run. Then I won't have to do >my Hawk 800 project. Sure, all I need now is two generous donors, one with a Shadow 1100 engine and another with a PC800 rolling chassis. :-) In the meantime, while spring returns, I'll be getting my acceleration kicks with a puff of blue two stroke. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:49:54 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Headlight At 11:41 AM 9/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >I'm amazed about all the negative comments about the headlight. It is >lightyears (pun intended) better than my '79 Honda and others from that >era. Do the replacement bulbs help out on low beam very much compared to >the stock bulb? I think the reason for most of the complaints on the PC headlamp are not because of the lightbulb (quite adequate BTW) but because many (most?) PC's do not have the headlamp aimed right (just check the archives to see how many people have asked on HL aligning procedure for the PC). I do like to have more light, since moose around here seem to be light sinks, absorbing most of what is shone at them, and thus I have a 55/100 bulb in mine. Another factor could be dirt, which can reduce light output significantly, but of course we PC owners would _never_ let our bikes get dirty, right? :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Oct 96 16:49:50 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Call from GIVI I just received a call from Paul Collins, Chairman of GIVI USA. He thanked me for my recent letter concerning my pleasure with the installation of a GIVI rack and 50-litre top box. Because of some interest in GIVI on the PC800 list server, I asked about his stock of PC800 racks. He has two in stock and 15 on order coming from Italy. So...if you're interested in this top-quality gear for your "soap dish" or almost any other motorcycle in existence, give Paul a call at 704/6799-4123. If a woman sounding like Olivia Newton-John answers the phone, it won't be Paul! It will be Karen Davies, Administrative Officer (who Roger Prince has appropriately dubbed "Miss Sugarvoice!" Dana Sawyer by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 02 Oct 1996 15:58:11 -0500 (CDT) by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA29827 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:52:57 -0800 (AKDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:52:57 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Cooking Bulbs and Switches... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 08:19 PM 9/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >Speaking of keeping lights on during the day (and at the risk of starting a >new thread), does it bother anyone else that more and more car manufacturers > are producing cars that keep headlights on during the day? Yes, a lot! One more reason to go to "illegal" wattage bulbs or headlamp modulators. You have to stand out somehow! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:13:15 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Headlight At 10:01 AM 9/27/96 -0600, Bob C. wrote: >Wouldn't there be a big difference whether you spent most >time at cruise speeds, or in town? Like the big difference it makes >with radiator temperature as reflected by the temp. gauge. True, there will be a cooling effect from the air flow, but consider two things. a) the radiator is specificlly designed to shed heat, the headlamp is not. b) the majority of the heat transfered to the airflow will be done by the lens, and usually it is the reflector that gets cooked (in the cases where it does happen) >Now that it's getting on toward winter, I found myself riding at >night for the first time (on the PC). Sure needs help in the >light department. Before you go out and buy a "sky burner", try this: Find a large, flat, level surface where you can shine you lamp against a wall. Take you PC and nose the tire against the wall, turn on the high beam. With you on the bike, have some one mark the "hot" spot of your beam, then mark a + centered on the spot, about 2' long on each side. Back up the bike straight back 25', get back on the bike. If the headlamp is aimed correctly, the high beam should still be centered on the +, and the low beam should be on the lower right quadrant. Remember you should be on the bike at the time! If not, fish out the archives or your shop manual and adjust away! Hope this helps. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:56:31 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Alan D. Smith" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Windshield "Fog-Out" Alan D. Smith wrote: > Exactly the same thing happened to me two weeks ago, and I have > the rifle. Is there anything we can use on the shields to prevent it? The fact that my helmet visor didn't fog makes me wonder if it was the lack of moving air or that I use Armor- All on the visor. It seems to make fine scratches invisible and removes the light haze you see if you hold it up to a light source. This visor is 3 years old and looks almost new. Use an old T-shirt or other lint free cotton and buff until there is no film left. Maybe it's worth trying on the windshield. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 19:23:53 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: John LaFreniere CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: 7500 mile service John LaFreniere wrote: > Does anyone know what needs to be done @ 7500 miles? > The dealer wants $110 labor + $75 parts for the service... Is the a fair price? With the exception of Carb-Sync and adjustment of steering neck bearings, get thy hands dirty and save a significant amount of money. (Although the price of a Carb-Sync tool, the special tools for adjusting the steering head bearings and a shop manual would probably still be less than the $185 quoted for service) These are the items that I would do at "major" service intervals: 1) Check steering head bearings 2) Sync Carbs 3) Grease clutch & throttle lever pivot points (especially the brass bushing that actuates the clutch master cylinder 4) Lube throttle cables 5) Change rear-end drive fluid 6) Flush and bleed clutch and brake master cylinders 7) Oil and filter (I change mine about every 2,000 miles) 8) Check air filter 9) Grease speedometer cable 10) Change fork fluid if it's never been done before. (This is a job that I would have difficulty wishing on my worst enemy. Search the archives for "fork fluid" and you'll find a posting of mine that describes the procedure) 11) If the plugs are original, replace them. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800 '97 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:20:13 -0700 I'm headed to the Honda Dealers convention Oct 25-26th in Nasheville, TN. They are opening the show to HRCA members that last 2 days so I signed up. I'll have my camera in tow and sticky fingers for product literature. I'll send a full report on what Honda has to say/show on the '97 PC800, VFR850, and other bikes. Pictures will be scanned and posted as soon as I can get them. Anyone else going from PC800 land? We should meet! -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'John LaFreniere'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: 7500 mile service Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:36:40 -0700 This is a good/fair price IF this a full tune-up (carb-synch, etc) and a change of filters and fluids, all of which probably need it for the amount of sitting and low mileage in 7 years. The air filter is a $50 part and the other fluids/filters run $25-30. Can you do some of this yourself? Changing oil in the crankcase and shaft drive is rather simple. You do need a small filter wrench (NAPA makes a small one) and some metric size wrenches. Brake fluids requires a little know-how and some vinyl tubing to keep the old fluid from dripping on the paint. Combined this will cost you materials and a couple hours of time. Carb-synching takes some special tools which cost about the same as one visit to shop for the same service. I bought one and consider it money well spent. It's time consuming the first time you do it but I'm getting faster now. It makes a big difference when things are adjusted right. Personally, I'd probably have the dealer do it the first time. This is a new bike for you and it's been sitting for some time. Tell the dealer to go over very closely for ANYTHING that might be out of whack or in need of a little service. Once done, you'll have a little confidence in knowing how the bike is supposed to be so later down the road when something's funny you'll have something to compare with. Professional service shops have been the first to go over both my bikes and since then I've done the work. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: 71430.340@CompuServe.COM Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Call from GIVI From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:07:21 EDT Oops. Givi (704) 679-4123, fax (704) 679-4133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cooking Bulbs and Switches... From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:07:21 EDT I agree that headlight modulators get attention. But my reaction is negative because they irritate me. In this part of the country flashing your lights at somebody waiting to turn in front of you usually means "go ahead". Modulation in moderation? One reason I use 55/100 is so the low beam is less likely to offend than 80/100. Roger ##################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman FRANKLIN, MA ##################################################### >Yes, a lot! One more reason to go to "illegal" wattage bulbs or >headlamp >modulators. >You have to stand out somehow! > >Juan Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: John LaFreniere Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:15:18 +0000 Subject: Re: 7500 mile service Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu John Mused . . . . . > My '89 PC 800 is ready for it's 7500 mile service. (I bought it used with > 2500 and put 5000 miles on it in the last 12 months) > > Does anyone know what needs to be done @ 7500 miles? > > The dealer wants $110 labor + $75 parts for the service... Is the a fair price? > > I'm not a mechanic, but I know how to change the oil, should I be doing some > of this stuff myself? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions! > > John > John LaFreniere > http://john.csun.edu > Hell, for that much money, *I'll* come and do it!! Oil Change, Filter change, rear juice, dat's all folks!! Dennis -------------------- "Veni, Vedi, Velcro" I came, I saw, I stuck around - Anonymous ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:59:59 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: (DRL)-Daytime Running Lights About a week ago, when responding to another post, I had brought up whether the issue of using DRLs on autos bothered any other listers. Interestingly, as I was just perusing back issues of Motorcycle Consumer News for some other information, a Consumer Report article in the April, 1996, issue caught my eye. The article's headline is The DRL Dilemma - Will Motorcyclists Ultimately Pay the Price For Improved Automobile Safety? If you will bear with me, I would like to quote the final two paragraphs. ___________________________________________________________________________ "But the big question remains: What effect will the influx of autos running DRLs have on the enhanced visibility motorcycles currently enjoy? Intuitively, we can expect that the effect will be diluted. If brighter lights are needed to increase contrast, you might expect motorcycle DRL effectiveness to be diminished. When asked whether or not the effect on motorcyclists was examined, Transport Canada's Dr. Brian Jonah, the report's principle investigator, indicated that this aspect was not examined because, "We didn't think it would be a problem". Ironically, the question-and hence the dilemma-becomes: how many motorcyclist lives wil be traded off for the lives of auto drivers as new DRL-equipped autos infiltrate the traffic mix? Unfortunately, it's likely that we will never know, since no research into the matter is either underway or anticipated. Unfortunately, it seems that no one really cares." ___________________________________________________________________________ I am gratified that my concerns have been recognized by a major motorcycling industry magazine. I am equally concerned that our safety--indeed our lives--seem to be expendable in the automobile industry's never-ending quest to provide safer cars. I'm not comfortable with the trade-off. Think I'll write a letter to the AMA. OBTW, the pictures accompanying the article feature a PC800. Ride Your Own Ride, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:29:25 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 17:29:25 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Oil Filter Help! You know I didn't really join this list to see if I could get you Americans to do favors for me, but several of you were SO helpful when my speedo cable broke, which luckily I was able to get a new inside made here, that I thought I would throw this one out.Just returned from a GREAT 8 day, 2500 k. trip to Sydney, so now really do need to change the oil. I brought with me from USA in 93 ,4 extra filters, now all used. A bit of phoning around today uncovered a few facts, 1, NO FRAM PH 6017 imported to oz, 2, Honda dealer not sure if his would fit, seems to me I remember it was the same as CBR 1000 one, but tossed all my FRAM boxes, so would have to take the present filter off and down to dealer, and 3, the HONDA one, is $21 EACH!!!! Now wonder people work for a living, eh? I really do remember paying $8 or $9 in USA and thinking that was a lot! Wake up, Ron! Sooooo...., I wonder if there is a good samaritan out there who has a good source of filters , I just looked downstairs and found US $23 in my travel envelope, I suspect that would cover 2 plus mailing, not a big package, and dont even need air mail if I know they are coming, will use a helix most of next month to work, anyway. Any takers? Ron Grant in Brisbane. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 06:12:51 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ray Nielsen CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: 7500 mile service Ray Nielsen wrote: > I doubt that the dealer can include steering head bearing adjustment for > that price. I did do the entire remove/replace scene > with the bodywork, all to no avail. The bearings were in good condition and > properly adjusted when I checked them (twice) during those miles. Unless I have some reason to suspect a problem with steering neck bearings, my method of checking them is crude but effective. I jack the front end of the bike up and push/pull on the forks to determine if any play has developed. I also turn the forks lock to lock to see if there is any binding as well. Unless you specifically tell the dealer to *check the torque*, it is unlikely that they would do anything more involved than my method. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 06:17:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ron Grant CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Oil Filter Help! Ron Grant wrote: > 2, Honda dealer not sure if his would fit, seems to me I remember it was the same as CBR 1000 The filter that fits the PC is also used on: 1) 750 Nighthawk 2) CBR-600 3) CB-1000 4) CBR-1000 5) Hawk GT And probably many more that I don't have direct experience with. Hope this helps. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 08:18:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Juan A. Goula" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Headlight The heat being sucked off the headlight through the windshield vents could have alot to do with the fogging problem. The warm air being sucked in stays behind the windshield and the cool air rushing across the front of the windshield cause the temperature differences thus creating condensation. Don't know how accurate the above is but it sounded logical when I thought of it ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > a) the radiator is specificlly designed to shed heat, the headlamp is not. > b) the majority of the heat transfered to the airflow will be done by the > lens, and usually it is the reflector that gets cooked (in the cases where > it does happen) > > > Juan > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Oct 1996 07:42:58 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 07:27:42 -0800 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, wetleather@micapeak.com Subject: DRl's etc well...if it's even moderately sunny, I ride with my high beam on all the tme anyway. :>) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Timmacy@aol.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: (DRL)-Daytime Running Lights Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:39:23 -0700 > If memory serves me right I think the AMA did publish something about it in American Motorcyclist magazine around the same time as the MCN article. I don't think they had taken any position on it but did throw out some things to ponder. Suggesting that the AMA initiate a traffic study would be interesting though I seriously doubt anything will ever end daytime running lights now that they are here. Incidentally, my new Chevy Blazer has daytime lights. What a dilemma considering my views as a motorcyclist. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 11:40:18 -0600 Subject: PC800 for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I am selling my '94, black, PC800 with 8,900 miles. It has a 20" Rifle windshield and Honda backrest. Very good condition, asking $5,500. Doug Marlow Chelmsford, Massachusetts (508) 659-3894 W (508) 256-3594 H ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'Timmacy@aol.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: (DRL)-Daytime Running Lights Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:52:04 -0700 >>Incidentally, my new Chevy Blazer has daytime lights. What a dilemma >>considering my views as a motorcyclist. Just disconnect the DRLs. That's what I did. Most GM vehicles have a fuse labeled "DRL." David Gordon >---------- >From: Bryce Ulrich >Sent: Thursday, October 03, 1996 9:39 AM >To: 'Timmacy@aol.com'; 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' >Subject: RE: (DRL)-Daytime Running Lights > >letter to the AMA.>> > >If memory serves me right I think the AMA did publish something about it in >American Motorcyclist magazine around the same time as the MCN article. I >don't think they had taken any position on it but did throw out some things >to ponder. > >Suggesting that the AMA initiate a traffic study would be interesting >though I seriously doubt anything will ever end daytime running lights now >that they are here. > >Incidentally, my new Chevy Blazer has daytime lights. What a dilemma >considering my views as a motorcyclist. > >-bryceu > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > 03 Oct 1996 11:03:17 -0700 (PDT) <01BBB11B.CE5C2800@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:12:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:12:44 -0700 From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: Voltmeter and clock installed! To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" With help from a friend (who cut the 52mm holes in the speaker punch outs), I finished the install of my clock and voltmeter! I was worried about room (a black bar is located in this area you have to clear). I should not have worried though since not only did both meters fit, they cleared even with the crimp on terminals and wires! They look fantastic (if I do say so myself). They are both back lit so when I turn the key, the voltmeter displays and both lights come on. The clock is powered up all the time. You can get switched power and always- on power from an "accessory" connector that the PC800 wiring harness provides on the right side towards the rear of the cycle under the seat. Just run your wiring up to the front (with tie wraps for neatness) and with a few crimp on terminals, you will be all set. The voltmeter displays 10 volts just turned on, 12 volts during idle, and 14 volts if you rev the engine at all. I hope that this will give me warning if I have an trouble with the alternator :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:13:45 -0400 To: _spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Voltmeter and clock installed! That sounds great. What did you do about the water proofing? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:34:20, -0500 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Carb Sync tool / part numbers Hi Gary, thnx for the offer and info. Please send me the Carb-sync part no. and the approx. cost. (Where is a good place to buy one?) Any other special tools needed for the oil/rear end fluid changes. Also part number for an after market oil filter - did I understand correctly that a Honda car filter might work properly?? Thanks again for your help. GORDON B FRANK wrote: > What is your advice about the 600 mile dealer checkup. I can > change the oil/filter but are there any 600 mile key adjustments that > I should let the dealer handle?? Greetings, Congrats on your new toy. When you do the oil change, also change the rear drive fluid. Then do both again at bout 1200 miles. You will notice the fine metallic haze of particles from normal break-in even the second time you change the fluids. I tend to do about 3 oil changes during the first 2000 miles of a new bike to reduce the amount of particles circulating about the engine. Carb-sync is the next most important item, and if you do it yourself the carb-sync gauge will pay for itself the second time you use it. Check the archives between June and July (I think...) for my overly wordy account of how to do it. Everything else is mostly checking fluid levels, lubing control levers, throttle & cables, etc. If you want to save some time when buying parts at your dealer, I have the microfiche and a fiche reader and I'll be glad to provide part numbers.____Gary E. Klim ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 4 Oct 96 17:59:35 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "WetLeather" , "pc800" , slgross@halcyon.com Subject: RE: new toys... I just got my Aerostitch Darien outfit. It has rained here in the Seattle area the last few days so it has been really great to try it out. I don't know what I'm missing by not getting the Aerostitch one piece, but I can say the Darien keeps me DRY . My commute is about 40 miles one way, with a short ride on a Ferry. Having some great gear has really taken the edge off my outlook on winter commuting in the Pacific Northwest. In other news, riding the PC in the rain was not my first choice, but late last week I crashed my car into a deer on a foggy back road at 4:30 in the morning on the way to work. I had no chance to avoid the deer since she seemed to have a very accurate homing device locked in on my front bumper and by the time I saw her she had already made an impression on my car. She was dispatched quickly to the "happy 'No Hunting' grounds" My cage is wrecked. It was difficult to go home and climb on my PC after going through that. It really makes you slow down and think about things you take for granted. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Steve Gross Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 1996 11:15 PM To: WetLeather; pc800 Subject: new toys... I'm disgustingly happy. New Aerostich came via UPS today. I almost _want_ it to rain.... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Oct 96 14:03:47 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: 1997 Honda Pacific Coast I looked at a photo of the 1997 Honda Pacific Coast this morning at my dealers. It looks like some "parts bin engineering" has taken place! My dealer and I both think that the front fender is nothing new, but one from either a Hawk 650 or a NIghthawk. He has also heard that they have removed the self-cancelling turn signals. Other than that, it looks unchanged. No indication as to price...stay tuned! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 17:59:36 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, wetleather@micapeak.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, slgross@halcyon.com Subject: Re: new toys... In a message dated 96-10-04 14:03:07 EDT, Pauly@msn.com (Paul Hayes) writes: << I crashed my car into a deer on a foggy back road at 4:30 in the morning on the way to work >> Sorry about the accident but what in the HELL were you doing going ot WORK at 4:30 AM???!!!!!!! That's for sleeping...... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:11:46 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GORDON FRANK CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Carb Sync tool / part numbers GORDON FRANK wrote: > Please send me the Carb-sync part no. and the approx. cost. Any other special tools needed for the oil/rear > end fluid changes. Also part number for an after market oil filter - did I understand correctly that a Honda > car filter might work properly?? 1) Carb-Sync tool is the Motion Pro Shop Quality Carb Tuner. Available thru Dennis Kirk (Part# 28-274) 1-800-328-9280 or through your dealer. Cost about $68. This will sync up to 4 carbs simultaneously. 2) Buy the Honda oil filter wrench (Part# 07HAA-PJ70100) You'll be glad you did the first time you use it. 3) My own opinion on the use of after market oil filters is *don't*. Not too long ago FRAM had a problem with several of its spin-on filters that had poor threads. There were several instances of filters blowing off the engine. There might also be internal construction differences we're not aware of that could effect oil flow. The OEM is cheap insurance for what is probably a $3000 engine. (New, of course...) 4) A $25 torque wrench will let you sleep better at night knowing your drain plug is neither too tight or too loose. Too loose can kill you and your engine, to tight makes for a *very* expensive oil change. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:25:26 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: 1997 Honda Pacific Coast Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > I looked at a photo of the 1997 Honda Pacific Coast this morning at my dealers. > It looks like some "parts bin engineering" has taken place! After my weekly morning trip to the bank (22 degrees at 8:30 AM !) I stopped at my dealer and also saw the '97 PC photos. IMHO the '97 just doesn't look right. It has what I would describe as an unbalanced look to it. Even if the '97 looked better, I'll take the functionality and protection of my '96 (with mud guard). I also got the facts on changes: 1) Manual cancel turn signals. 2) "Naked" front wheel. 3) Changes were made to prevent price increase. 4) Color scheme appears to be identical to '96. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carb Sync tool / part numbers From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Oct 1996 17:32:04 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "GEK" == Gary E Klim writes: GEK> 2) Buy the Honda oil filter wrench (Part# 07HAA-PJ70100) You'll be GEK> glad you did the first time you use it. Better yet, go to Wal-Mart and buy the Vector #17040 oil wrench. It fits perfectly and costs three bucks. More information is in the archives. Don't shell out whatever amount of money Honda wants for the thing. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 18:47:45 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Jason L Tibbitts III CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Re: Carb Sync tool / part numbers Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Better yet, go to Wal-Mart and buy the Vector #17040 oil wrench. It fits > perfectly and costs three bucks. More information is in the archives. > Don't shell out whatever amount of money Honda wants for the thing. Good advice for those who never plan to change fork oil themselves. The Honda oil filter wrench is also used to start the first threads of the fork caps by using it "upside down". It provides a large surface area for the palm of your hand so you can feel if the cap is trying to cross thread. When started, insert a 3/8" drive ratchet with extension and tighten caps. 3 tools in one. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Oct 96 19:01:23 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: 1997 Honda Pacific Coast Gary Klim sent me the following message about the 1997 Honda Pacific Coast, so I thought that I would share it with others... Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > I looked at a photo of the 1997 Honda Pacific Coast this morning at my dealers. > It looks like some "parts bin engineering" has taken place! After my weekly morning trip to the bank (22 degrees at 8:30 AM !) I stopped at my dealer and also saw the '97 PC photos. IMHO the '97 just doesn't look right. It has what I would describe as an unbalanced look to it. Even if the '97 looked better, I'll take the functionality and protection of my '96 (with mud guard). I also got the facts on changes: 1) Manual cancel turn signals. 2) "Naked" front wheel. 3) Changes were made to prevent price increase. 4) Color scheme appears to be identical to '96. Hey...all of a sudden my '90 PC looks better and better! I think I'll go for 100,000 miles! Roger Prince did it with his SECOND '90 PC, so I can do it also! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:13:41, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Throttle Lock Has anyone had success finding & installing a good Throttle Lock? I've called several dealers and not found a solution. I've looked at the archives and there doesn't appear to be a consensus opinion on which is best. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 07:23:54, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Riding Wear "Paul Hayes" wrote Re: Darien keeps me DRY. Why did you choose Aerostitch vs. the Motoport Ultra II ? I'm about to make a decision for winter weather gear and would appreciate any experience with cold/rain weather. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 09:30:09 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GORDON FRANK CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Rear Drive fluid GORDON FRANK wrote: > but what about the rear drive fluid? Are there any tricks of the trade with that one? Do I need to take > it to the dealer at all for the 600 mile checkup. Is there a "warranty" requirement? Changing the rear drive fluid is easy: 1) Remove drain bolt 2) Remove filler cap 3) Replace drain bolt 4) Fill with gear oil until it just starts to enter the lower threads of the filler cap hole 5) Replace filler cap As long as you maintain a maintenance log and keep receipts for oil, filters, etc, there is no requirement that you must have a dealer perform scheduled maintenance. ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:08:39 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, NVXL62A@prodigy.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Rear Drive fluid In a message dated 96-10-05 09:34:05 EDT, garyklim@snet.net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << As long as you maintain a maintenance log and keep receipts for oil, filters, etc, there is no requirement that you must have a dealer perform scheduled maintenance. >> It is a violation of federal law to require dealers to perform scheduled maintenance -- unless such maintenance is provided free of charge to the customer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:08:38 -0400 To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Riding Wear In a message dated 96-10-05 07:31:08 EDT, NVXL62A@prodigy.com (GORDON FRANK) writes: << Why did you choose Aerostitch vs. the Motoport Ultra II ? I'm about to make a decision for winter weather gear and would appreciate any experience with cold/rain weather. >> Gordon, I have the Motoport Ultra II and wet weather is the one place where the Aerostitch has an advantage. The Aerostitch has a gore tex liner built into the suit which is more or less waterproof. (Since it is water, but not water vapor, impermeable, and you can't remove it, you sweat more in an Aerostitch on a hot day in the dry.) The Motoport offers a removable gore tex liner which means that you get a lot more air through the Motoport on a hot day. However, the Gore Tex liner is not only Gore Tex, it also contains a high tech DuPont insulating material. As a result, you can't get effective hot weather rain protection from the Motoport. OTOH, it is superior in cold weather rain or in cold dry weather (though it does get rather soggy in a heavy rain and quite heavy as a result). FWIW, for a variety of reasons, I bought the Motoport and would do it again if I had to do it over. There are rational reasons to go either way, however. I hope this helps. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Sat, 05 Oct 96 07:32:54 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re: Aerostich Riding Wear (long) Content-Id: <30_64_1_844515174> I have worn an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit for the last six years. I wear it in the summer, and I wear it in the winter (Seattle has sort of a long spring from October/November through May/June). It is the only garment I would ever consider wearing on my bike. Why I like the Aerostich Roadcrafter: 1. It is easy to get on and off. This might seem silly, but I like a suit that I can put on, take off, and put back on in less than a minute. (Some can do this in less than 30 seconds!) 2. It has pockets! The Roadcrafter has tons of generous, usable pockets. This cannot be over emphasized. 3. It keeps me dry In the Pacific Northwest, I ride in the rain more often than not. (I commute on my bike). I don't have to carry an extra rainsuit. I don't have to try to guess if I should put my rainsuit on or have the hassle of pullng over to do so. I like having one and only one garment. (It's GoreTex lined.) 4. It reputedly protects from abrasion. (I haven't tested this yet. I did road test my leathers a few times and they worked okay. ;-) Aerostich has tested their suits side by side against leather by dragging sandbags behind pickup trucks. 5. It has integral 3M reflective material built in. There is a 3" strip across the back, a 2.75" by 7.5" strip on each ankle, and a (almost) 2" by 7" strip on the front lefft chest pocket. I generally ride in the dark in the rain, so I like some additional help. 6. It has built in protective padding. The pads are made of some bizarre visioelastic material called TF3. It is quite soft, until you try to move it or copress it quickly. Then it shows amazing viscosity. You just have to feel it to appreciate it. Get the optional hip pads. The back pad might not be a bad idea either. 7. It has vents. By opening these and the back vent, you get more cooling in the summer. You can also unzip the legs a tiny bit and unzip the side pocket access zippers for even more cooling. I also zip open the sleeves so they don't tuck into my gloves so I get aair up my arms. 8. IT has access! Ever leave yourr keys in your pants pocket only to discover this fact after you have your leathers on? With the Aerostich suit I just unzip the side access zipper, and reach into my pants pocket. Fit is important. You can get a suit that fits like a second skin like racing leathers. My first try was like this and I was tempted to keep it and just get two. By my third try I had the fit I wanted. I wear my Aerrostich Roadcrafter over my sports jacket. I get dressed for work in slacks, coat and tie, and then put on my Aerostich suit. I only make two concessions. I carry my dress shoes so I can wear boots, and in the summer I sometimes take off my jacket before the ride home for temperature control. There is the one piece (like I have) as well as the two piece that can be zipped together like a one piece. It might be better for touring since the jacket can be worn separately. The price for the one peice is $667, and the two piece is $397 for the jacket and $347 for the pants. I'll let the others talk about the Darien jacket (with removable polar fleece liner) at $487 and the Darien pants at $297. AEROSTICH IS WORTH EVERY PENNY! You will not regret it. Call Aerostich for a catlog at 800-222-1994 Compuserve: 74544,323@compuserve.com Internet: http://www.aerostich.com/aerostich GEnie: a.goldfine@genie.geis.com America Online: aerostich@aol.com //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // '96 800 Elite, Seattle WA // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 12:35:07 -0400 To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Throttle Lock In a message dated 96-10-05 07:26:11 EDT, NVXL62A@prodigy.com (GORDON FRANK) writes: << From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com (GORDON FRANK) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Has anyone had success finding & installing a good Throttle Lock? I've called several dealers and not found a solution. I've looked at the archives and there doesn't appear to be a consensus opinion on which is best. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA >> Hi Gordon, I had the dealer who sold me my used '90 PC, install a Vista Cruise on my bike. It was not very expensive, less than about $30 or $35 including installation. I've heard it's easy to install yourself, but I was a little lazy. It works very well. It's engaged with a flick of your thumb, and yet you can still move the throttle even when it's engaged. You just have to adjust the tension to what is comfortable for you. I haven't used any other cruise controls, but I highly recommend this one. In fact, I can't imagine riding without it!! :-) If you can't find one out there in Atlanta, I'll buy one here and mail it to you. Happy riding, Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Throttle Lock From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Oct 1996 14:31:55 -0500 Lines: 8 >>>>> "GF" == GORDON FRANK writes: GF> Has anyone had success finding & installing a good Throttle Lock? There are a whole pile of messages on the subject in the archives, many more than we would want to repeat here. Why not take a look? - J< Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:34:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Aerostich Riding Wear (long) Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Todd, I second everything you have said. I have the two piece and it is great. I have talked to people who have slid down the road in this thing at 70 and were tickled at the results. Dennis -------------------- "Veni, Vedi, Velcro" I came, I saw, I stuck around - Anonymous ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 08:10:51 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: San Diego Trip My husband and I will be biking to a veterinary conference in San Diego in March (we are trying to plan ahead). Stops will include San Antonio, El Paso, and Tucson. Does anyone have experience riding in the southwest during March that they would like to share? Any suggested sightseeing? We are planning to take about 4 days to get there from New Orleans. What is the weather like that time of year? Thanks for the input! Mica Landry micaland@eatel.net (different from what is listed above) Mica F. Landry, DVM micaland@communique.net PO Box 1146 Donaldsonville, LA 70346 Phone: (504)473-6029 Fax: (504)473-4209 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:28:14 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: First Report - Corbin Saddle and Chatterbox Intercom Debbie and I were hoping for good weather on Saturday so we could try out the feel and performance of our new Corbin seat. Also, after complaining about the poor performance of the NADY intercom unit at speeds above 45 mph, Debbie ordered me a Chatterbox HJC-90 bike-to-bike/intercom unit. I picked it up from the dealer Friday afternoon, plugged in the charger when I got home, and got the mic and speakers installed in our helmets. The helmet installation only took about 20 minutes. Saturday morning came and although the sky was cloudy and the winds gusty at 10 - 20 mph, the radar (on the TV not the PC)didn't show a trace of precipitation, so about midday it was off on a short jaunt to Jasper GA and the Georgia Marble Festival. Marble as in granite quarry tours and arts and crafts, not cat's eye and ball bearing marbles. Had to make a few adjustments to the angle position of the backrest so that Deb was comfortable. She really liked the feel of the roomier seat, even though it is still firm. The backrest gave her more support, but she did note that it gives and wobbles a little; whereas the Honda backrest was sturdy and solid. She likes the fact that she is riding higher than before (or maybe it is because I am riding lower) in that she has better visibility and can see more than the "Do Not Remove Helmet. . ." sticker on the back of my helmet. I liked the lower riding position in that at 5'10", it allows me good solid planting of my feet at stops rather than on my toes. The Chatterbox unit worked nicely, although we still need to play with it and learn the sensitivity of all the controls. I started out using the push to talk (PTT) switch instead of the VOX sensitivity switch as recommended in the user's manual; but soon abandoned it when we discovered Debbie couldn't activate her mike even when almost yelling. The VOX switch worked fine in the middle position and we could carry on an audible conversation at speeds in excess of 70mph, despite the higher than normal wind noise from the high crosswinds. I will have to study the owner's manual a little more about the use of the PTT switch, but I am one of those that pulls out the owners manual and reads the instructions as a last resort. The only little hitch we had was sometimes the cable connecting Debbie's unit to the control unit mounted on my helmet would get caught between us and when I would go to turn my head, it would pull a little. We will have to figure out how to run the wire (maybe under my coat leaving a little loop slack above my collar)to prevent this. All in all, I was extremely pleased with the performance of my two purchases during our short 125 mile checkout ride. I have decided (after looking at my checkbook) to hold off on the Rifle windshield. But then Christmas is only a couple of months away! Ride as if your life depended upon it, Dave Lott Marietta, GA 1989 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:43:56 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: DRl's etc In a message dated 96-10-03 10:43:26 EDT, dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave Gross) writes: << well...if it's even moderately sunny, I ride with my high beam on all the tme anyway. :>) >> Just a thought, but a while ago, I used to ride with my high beams on all the time until a driver let me know, in no uncertain terms, that he didn't appreciate my high beam shining in through his rear window into his eyes via his rear view mirror. Since then, I just use my low beams all the time. Just a thought! Happy Riding, Phil Lewis So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:56:12 -0400 To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Throttle Lock Get the Wrist Rest from Bob's BMW in MD. They replace the current black bar end weights with a cool stainless steel cruise control. Works great, looks good, installs in minutes...... Cost's about $90 for both right (functional) and left ( looks). Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: DRL's etc From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Oct 1996 00:11:48 -0500 Lines: 20 >>>>> "P" == PILEWIS writes: P> Just a thought, but a while ago, I used to ride with my high beams on P> all the time until a driver let me know, in no uncertain terms, that he P> didn't appreciate my high beam shining in through his rear window into P> his eyes via his rear view mirror. I always use high beams in the daytime. I believe that if someone's angry because your light is bright, at least they know you're there. Unfortunately with the latest spree of highway shootings you don't want people to get angry at you. I guess you can't win. My MSF instructor told me that if I value my life, I should ride safely, use proper (i.e. conspicuous) gear, and have my brights on during the day. But how do the Canadian folk feel about DRLs? They've had to live with them for a while. (Then again, don't Canadian bikes have the option of turning off the headlamp?) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 01:22:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: River Ride...... Southern IN I just wanted to thank all of those that played in southern IN and KY this weekend. Everyone I met was really great, good sports,..... and clearly enjoying each others company. Cory ("Ride Solo") asked me to let everyone know that he is alive and well in OH. He has not yet re-established his on-line presence but promises (threatens??) to do so shortly. On a danger note.... after dinner on Saturday night, Dave and Helen fron Cincinatti were headed back to our camp ground with apromise to ahve roaring fire ready for the rest of us. Two up on Dave's ST, (Helen left her PC at the camp) they were VERY surprised to find a doe ( a deer ) standing in THEIR LANE. Dave had no time to react. Final Count Deer 0 , Dave and Helen OK, but shaken, ST -$3000 worth of front end. We found the deer the nest day 50 feet fro the road. It had NO ass left. Dave's head light, mirrors, front fender, saddle bags.... all got hammered. Bike slid done the rode a piece, sparks and all. They were going about 45-50. Both wearing helemts which did have marks indicating they were needed (scrapes, skid marks.....) Dave's 'Stich jacket will be making a trip back to MN for some repair work, but it did it's job. Helen was unhurt save some skinned knuckles. Moral of the story 1) HTSA'ers are a nice fun bunch of people and you can learn alot from following better riders. 2) The deer are out at this time of year and we like to ride the twisties which means country and woods which mean DEER and lots of 'em. If you hit one you will survive but you will go down. Keep night riding in the country to a minimum and if you do, WEAR all your gear and expect the damn deer to act like the cagers ( They want your ass ). see you mid-westers at FOF..... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 08:28:17, -0500 To: dlwinger@ix8.ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: windshield Hi Dave, Re: your Rifle shield comment: Have you tried the "stealth" rubber windshield device? I transferred mine from the Helix to the PC yesterday and it added several inches of wind protection all around. Of course I'm still in the new bike breakin period, and didn't exceed 60mph (4000rpm) during the ride. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 06:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: DRl's etc I am one against DRL's for cars, but what I do is hit the low beam if I come right up to a driver and for on reason or another can't lane split to the front. Either that or just angle my PC a little when I stop so the hi beam doesn't hit him/her squarely(sp?) in the face. It helps a little. If my hi's annoy some box-jockeys, that's tough. It's my life and I'll do whatever I can to keep from being roadkill somewhere. My $.02. Johan Lai '89 "Cassandra" Orange, CA On Mon, 7 Oct 1996 PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-10-03 10:43:26 EDT, dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave Gross) > writes: > > << > well...if it's even moderately sunny, I ride with my high beam on all > the tme anyway. :>) > >> > > Just a thought, but a while ago, I used to ride with my high beams on all the > time until a driver let me know, in no uncertain terms, that he didn't > appreciate my high beam shining in through his rear window into his eyes via > his rear view mirror. Since then, I just use my low beams all the time. > Just a thought! > > Happy Riding, > > Phil Lewis > So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:43:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Beam/Low Beam Hi All: The use of high beam in the daytime is a very good idea, because it makes you much more visible (assuming, as Juan points out, your light is aimed properly). This is particularly important now that the cars are starting to become a sea of lights in which we will once again become invisible. The high beam will still provide a contrast with the 80% intensity low beams on the cars, and that contrast is what helps you be seen.. A modulated hight beam will do an even better job in this situation. I haven't installed modulators on our PCs yet, but I think I will do so soon. All of that having been said, it is important to remember that every good idea must be used wisely. There are situations when you don't want to use the high beam in the day time. One of these is when you are closely following one or more cars for an extended period. In this situation, as has been pointed out by others already, your high beam can become an irritant to the driver ahead. In this case, using the low beam avoids being a nuisance. The visibility issue is mute in this case, because the cars are running interference for you, and they are blocking the oncoming drivers' view of your light anyway. Once you are again riding alone or at the head of the pack, switch back to high beam. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:43:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Throttle Lock I have installed the simple, plsstic/nylon? throttle locks made by N.E.P.on our PCs. They cost about $20, are available at most dealers and work great. Installation requires cutting a hole in the plastic bar covers to receive the antirotation tab on the lock, and I ground a little of the excess width off of the plates to ensure minimum drag and free throttle return when the lock is disengaged. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:43:11 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: San Diego Trip Hi Mica: It's been several years since I rode the route you intend, and I did it in the fall rather than the spring. However, I have ridden a bit further north in the spring, going through Texarkana, Dallas, Abilene, Hobbs, Carlsbad, and Alamogordo. For the most part, it was a good and pleasant ride, but in west Texas that time of year, the wind can get pretty strong (gusts up to 65 mph are not unusual). This makes for tense riding and occasional visibility and breathing problems in dust clouds. We also encountered a little snow and temps in the 30s up in the mountains around Cloudcroft, but there was not enough to be a problem with traction. If you stay south, I would expect that you won't have any problem with snow, but the wind might be a problem once in a while. Carlsbad Caverns are worth the sidetrip if you haven't seen a good example of a wet cave; the formations are beautiful. If the weather permits, the mountains in southern New Mexico (around Cloudcroft and Ruidoso) are beautiful and a nice ride. White Sands National Monument just west of Alamogordo is a wierd and intriguing place (especially at sunset). And there are lots of Indian ruins and the remnants of the old mining days all over southern New Mexico and Arizona. Have a good trip. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "jeroen glorie" To: Subject: pacific coast paint Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:50:34 +0100 Hello to y'al, i'am looking for a friend off mine the paint for his P.C in holland is the paint not availeble and he has some scratches on the motorcycle and he ask me to spray paint it over thats no problem but the paint is . the colornumber off the P.C is R-10ic-u code R101 its the red paint . can anybody help me please to order and get the paint so that the bike is in perfect condition again many thanks for any effort taken Jeroen Glorie hoofdweg 893 a 2131 MB Hoofddorp,NH HOLLAND (netherlands) jeroengl@meganet.nl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 20:55:52 +0200 (MET DST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: questionnaire To all I like to ask you a question about our page (Honda Pacific Coast 800 The Netherlands) I like to how many of you are using the Frames part of our pages, and how many are using the Non Frames part? It is important to me because I am thinking of skipping the Frames part, and only use te Non Frames part The Text-only part of our pages are still under heavy construction, so those of you with only text browers will have to wait a little time (maybe a week or two). I have to maintain 3 versions (a bit to much, and so little time) so a member of the PCN Bas Kruit will do the Text version. So please give me your votes: in the body of the message a "NO" for not trashing the Frames part or a "YES" for trashing the Frames part. comments are also welcome. Thanks in advance Gerard Diepeveen, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:04:06 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Re: DRL's etc At 2:11 7/10/96, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >But how do the Canadian folk feel about DRLs? They've had to live with >them for a while. (Then again, don't Canadian bikes have the option of >turning off the headlamp?) I'm 33; I started riding bikes when I was 14 and I have never seen a headlamp switch on a bike, not even my first wretched 50cc moped (yes, the one with completely useless pedals and a transmission-disconnect lever.) That bike's headlamp, to quote, I think, Peter S. Beagle in the scooter story _I See By My Outfit_ would throw a beam of light "the size of a strand of spaghetti, the distance of a fairly urgent piss." Even though I haven't seen one, I guess some old bikes must have them. I've never thought about having "feelings" about my headlamp being on or off- in the same way as if I asked you how you "felt" about not having an on/off swtich for your alternator. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 00027DAC; Mon, 7 Oct 96 13:15:58 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:09:07 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Mica Landry Subject: Re: San Diego Trip --IMA.Boundary.853917448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part In So. Cal. you can pretty much count on it being Sunny and warm. The evenings can be a bit nippy that time of year, but I think overall, you will find it very pleasing. I would recommend that you go see the Hotel de Coronado while in San Diego, it is a very nice place built in the 1800's. Of course the San Diego Zoo is world reknowed and Sea World is there as well. Check on the web at www.uniontrib.com for San Diego news. That site is run by the paper in San Diego and has some good info. as well as links to other sites. Rusty P.S. - How's life in Louisiana these days. I was born in New Orleans and lived in Baton Rouge about 10 years over the course of my life (I have moved a lot). Most of my relatives are still in that area, but I don't to go back very often since it is so far away. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: San Diego Trip Author: Mica Landry at INTERNET Date: 10/6/96 8:10 AM My husband and I will be biking to a veterinary conference in San Diego in March (we are trying to plan ahead). Stops will include San Antonio, El Paso, and Tucson. Does anyone have experience riding in the southwest during March that they would like to share? Any suggested sightseeing? We are planning to take about 4 days to get there from New Orleans. What is the weather like that time of year? Thanks for the input! Mica Landry micaland@eatel.net (different from what is listed above) Mica F. Landry, DVM micaland@communique.net PO Box 1146 Donaldsonville, LA 70346 Phone: (504)473-6029 Fax: (504)473-4209 --IMA.Boundary.853917448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 000263E1; Sun, 6 Oct 96 06:10:01 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id GAA17505; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 06:16:04 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25297; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:10:31 -0500 (CDT) 06 Oct 1996 08:10:03 -0500 (CDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25260 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:09:56 -0500 (CDT) (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA22173 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 08:09:22 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 08:10:51 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: San Diego Trip --IMA.Boundary.853917448-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:19:08 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: siegel@main.com (Siegel) Subject: Re: sept24 Dear Lois, Talked to Islay and Ron yesterday and they told me about Jared's thumb injury. How does Jared feel about it? It would be very difficult to use your hand without your thumb. It must have been very stressful for all of you. Lois A. phoned me today and said she will be having the angioplasty surgery on November 7th. She will stay in hospital overnight and Goose will take a couple of days off work to be with her. She has lost over 20 pounds and is exercising on her treadmill several days a week. Tell Islay that date since I probably won't be talking to her before that. We had fun on friday night. We went with another couple downtown for dinner and to listen to jazz. We started off at the art gallery where we lucked into a reception for some group and we just joined it. Never did look at any art! We got home very late by our standards and were exhausted the next day but still it was a good thing to do. Need to go out more often. Talked to Mark yesterday. He is overwhelmed with work just now but is enjoying himself. Has a girlfriend named Veronica who he spents his social moments with. On Thanksgiving weekend he is going to Toronto to two friends houses. He will be well fed. It will make a nice break from the terrible college food. He says it is mostly bad stir frys. I sent him some Tony's and a small shaker he can put in his pocket. Sorry to hear about Dave. You would think after all this time, he would know that it is the child who matters. He is still trying to hurt you, it seems. At least Jared is at an age where he can start to see what is really going on and can make up his own mind. You have always been so good at encouraging him to see his dad and have not bad mouthed him to Jared. So many parents speak badly of their mate in front of the child not realizing that the child then thinks of himself as half bad too. The group I volunteer with gives Divorcing Parents workshops. Anyone in our county who is getting a divorce is mandated by the courts to attend the workshop. It is totally focussed on how the divorce will affect the children and what adults can do to lessen the damage to kids. The feedback we get is very positive and most wish they had known about communicating with and about their kids much earlier. When we used to leave Mark home alone, we were always worried that other kids would find out and swarm our house. What an experience for Ken. It doesn't matter how responsible your own teenager is if he is overwhelmed with a big group. Bye for now, Let me know how Jared is. Love, Anna Mae ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'JTSMCRIDER@aol.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: High Beam/Low Beam Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 13:58:24 -0700 I generally have the high beam on but turn it off as Jason describes. I'd add the same goes for group motorcycle rides when I'm not the leader and one of the many followers. I usually leave the neon reflective vest in the trunk as well so as not to distract other motorcyclists in the group. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:23:39 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Re: sept24 Siegel wrote: > > Dear Lois,... ??? ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:18:00 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: High Beam/Low Beam With all the DRL's I'm starting to feel like just another light on the Christmas tree. So I ride with the high beam on whenever the sun is up. I would much rather be an irritant than a victim of an accident. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Todd Zedak" To: , "Daniel MacKay" Subject: Bike headlight switches Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:21:41 -0500 Well, just my .02 but..... my '76 KZ 750 has a headlight switch.... I used to ride without the light on during the day because my charging system was so weak..... Z ---------- > At 2:11 7/10/96, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > >But how do the Canadian folk feel about DRLs? They've had to live with > >them for a while. (Then again, don't Canadian bikes have the option of > >turning off the headlamp?) > > I'm 33; I started riding bikes when I was 14 and I have never seen a > headlamp switch on a bike, not even my first wretched 50cc moped (yes, the > Even though I haven't seen one, I guess some old bikes must have them. > > Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca > Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 08:35:57, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 50mpg/throttlelock/oil filter Is this unusual? I averaged 55.5 mpg and 52.6 mpg for my first 2 tankfuls on my new '96 PC! Of course I'm keeping the speed under 60mph til I go over 600 miles, but it's nice while it lasts. BTW, I failed with the Vista Cruise throttle lock installation, couldn't get it to seat properly. (Is the 1996 any different from previous years?) I'll try the NEP lock after I do an exchange. Any detailed suggestions will be appreciated. Since I had the throttle handle off, I changed the rock hard grip to a soft neopreme and will try it out on one handle to compare the feel. Also, anyone have a contact #/address for volume discounts on Oil filters? My dealer will only discount the Honda 10% off the $10.96 list price. (Or is there an acceptable after market oil filter? I looked at the Fram 6607 from WalMart at $4.58 ea., and it might fit, but I've heard about the "blow-outs" and don't want to risk that!) ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:19:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Last Ride Weather permitting, I think my wife and I are going to take our last long ride of the year. She is scheduled for a couple of weeks vacation. Being a nurse her vacation is never insured. But, weather permitting, we are going to ride from Overland Park, KS. to Manhattan, KS. to visit our son, who is attending Kansas State University, and than on to Fort Collins, CO. to see our daughter, who is studying dance at Colorado State University. From Fort Collins we might run down to Santa Fe, NM to check out the living conditions. From Santa Fe, who knows. It will depend upon the weather and hard ass syndrome. I will write a trip report when I get back. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:02:42 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: NVXL62A@prodigy.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 50mpg/throttlelock/oil filter Gordon, that high gas mileage won't last long. As soon as you start using the throttle properly (after braek-in) it will come down. IMHO, FWIW, use only Honda oil filters. $10.is a lot less than some people are paying. It's not like you use one every week. You can shop around. I paid $6.50 by mail from Cycle Design, volume didn't matter. (508) 249-2244 Roger > Is this unusual? > I averaged 55.5 mpg and 52.6 mpg for my first 2 tankfuls on my new > '96 PC! > Of course I'm keeping the speed under 60mph til I go over 600 miles, > but it's nice while it lasts. > > BTW, I failed with the Vista Cruise throttle lock installation, > couldn't get it to seat properly. (Is the 1996 any different from > previous years?) > I'll try the NEP lock after I do an exchange. Any detailed > suggestions will be appreciated. Since I had the throttle handle off, > I changed the rock hard grip to a soft neopreme and will try it out > on one handle to compare the feel. > > Also, anyone have a contact #/address for volume discounts on Oil > filters? My dealer will only discount the Honda 10% off the $10.96 > list price. (Or is there an acceptable after market oil filter? I > looked at the Fram 6607 from WalMart at $4.58 ea., and it might fit, > but I've heard about the "blow-outs" and don't want to risk that!) > > ____ > Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > Atlanta, Georgia USA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 11:49:15 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: 50mpg/throttlelock/oil filter I have to disagree with Roger on this one. I am still getting 52 to 56 mpg on my 1995 PC and I have 22,500 miles on it. I only ride solo, so don't have the added 2 up weight to cut into milage. The worst milage I've gotten, so far, was this summer in Montana crusing at 90 mph. I still got 48.5 mpg, while my husband on his 1300 Venture Royal only got 39 mpg. Wanda Bailie '95 Black Beauty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: 50mpg/throttlelock/oil filter Author: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 10/9/96 9:55 AM Gordon, that high gas mileage won't last long. As soon as you start using the throttle properly (after braek-in) it will come down. IMHO, FWIW, use only Honda oil filters. $10.is a lot less than some people are paying. It's not like you use one every week. You can shop around. I paid $6.50 by mail from Cycle Design, volume didn't matter. (508) 249-2244 Roger > Is this unusual? > I averaged 55.5 mpg and 52.6 mpg for my first 2 tankfuls on my new > '96 PC! > Of course I'm keeping the speed under 60mph til I go over 600 miles, > but it's nice while it lasts. > > BTW, I failed with the Vista Cruise throttle lock installation, > couldn't get it to seat properly. (Is the 1996 any different from > previous years?) > I'll try the NEP lock after I do an exchange. Any detailed > suggestions will be appreciated. Since I had the throttle handle off, > I changed the rock hard grip to a soft neopreme and will try it out > on one handle to compare the feel. > > Also, anyone have a contact #/address for volume discounts on Oil > filters? My dealer will only discount the Honda 10% off the $10.96 > list price. (Or is there an acceptable after market oil filter? I > looked at the Fram 6607 from WalMart at $4.58 ea., and it might fit, > but I've heard about the "blow-outs" and don't want to risk that!) > > ____ > Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > Atlanta, Georgia USA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Art Rutledge To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: PC-800 colors Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:21:45 -0600 I have had my PC for about a month now, I bought it "used" it had been = dropped on BOTH sides in what looks like two seperate low speed spills, = missing a few plastic parts (on order $$$$$. I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!! I = have had a series of bikes in the last 30 years and curently own 3. My = wife had no use for motorcycles and I was sure the PC would present a = problem, on the contrary she now loves to go for a ride and iI could = barely drag her out on my Suzuki GS.=20 At any rate I will be repainting the bile this winter as part of = "putting it right", there is something wrong with every pannel (fade, = scratch etc) I am fussy. I have learned that honda's paint codes are a = state secret and that you can't do as you do with a car and get the code = and order the paint. So..... if I have to paint it any way mabie I = should change the color. Now don't get me wrong I think the metalic = (1990) redis prety but.... what color would all of you pick if given the = choice??? Art Rutledge 1990 Pc-800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "Art Rutledge" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC-800 colors Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:24:05 -0500 Blue ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Art Rutledge To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: PC-800 colors Date: Wednesday, October 09, 1996 1:21 PM I have had my PC for about a month now, I bought it "used" it had been dropped on BOTH sides in what looks like two seperate low speed spills, missing a few plastic parts (on order $$$$$. I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!! I have had a series of bikes in the last 30 years and curently own 3. My wife had no use for motorcycles and I was sure the PC would present a problem, on the contrary she now loves to go for a ride and iI could barely drag her out on my Suzuki GS. At any rate I will be repainting the bile this winter as part of "putting it right", there is something wrong with every pannel (fade, scratch etc) I am fussy. I have learned that honda's paint codes are a state secret and that you can't do as you do with a car and get the code and order the paint. So..... if I have to paint it any way mabie I should change the color. Now don't get me wrong I think the metalic (1990) redis prety but.... what color would all of you pick if given the choice??? Art Rutledge 1990 Pc-800 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:23:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Art Rutledge Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC-800 colors go for the black with the silver bottom!!! I think the red on the pc's is the wrong shade (too Dark) maybe the red used on the vfr750? chris '89 pc white ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:18:45 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" , pc800 newsletter Subject: [Fwd: Avoiding Deer on Country Roads] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:10:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Smoot To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Avoiding Deer on Country Roads I have friend and family in West Texas where dodging deer is a serious issue. I have never seen this done on bike but if it works for cars why not us? I'm talking about deer whistles. They are small (maybe 2 cubic inches) plastic or metal whistles that you glue to the front of your vehicle. At speeds over 40mph or so the rushing winds through the whistle emits an ultrasonic whistle that supposedly startles deer and drives them away. One brand even offers to pay for the damage if you hit a deer with one of their whistles properly installed. If anybody cannot find them in their area, contact me by email and I will find one down here for you. David Smoot david@poapts.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:44:37 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:43:47 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Subject: PC800 oil filters There has been a lot of conversation about oil filters on our PC800 users group. I have conveyed this message to several members on a "direct return reply" but think it should go out to everyone. Fram had a filter that fit the PC800. It was the Fram 6017. Fram soon discovered that there was a manufacturing problem with the depth of the threads that screw onto the male threads on the bike. The threads were not deep enough to get a good grip on the male threads and thus were subject to "blowing off" the bike. This problem was with only those filters that were "farmed out to a foreign country" for manufacturing but it was impossible to tell on the store shelves which were good and which were bad filters. So Fram recalled all Fram 6017 filters and replaced them with the Fram 6017A. NOTICE THE "A"!!!!! All PC800 and what other bikes use the Fram 6017 should remove the 6017 and replace with the Fram 6017A. Be careful, Fram still suspects that there are still some 6017's on the store shelves...do not buy them.... This info is direct from Fram Research and Development office...I called them personally to clear this up. I also called some aftermarket parts suppliers and found that some of them knew about the recall and some had no idea what I was talking about. Sonny ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:49:07 -0700 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Avoiding Deer on Country Roads] To: bmckenna@mint.net, cc.@mint.net, bmckenna@juno.com, "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" , pc800 newsletter >I have friend and family in West Texas where dodging deer is a serious >issue. I have never seen this done on bike but if it works for cars why >not us? I'm talking about deer whistles. They are small (maybe 2 cubic >inches) plastic or metal whistles that you glue to the front of your >vehicle. At speeds over 40mph or so the rushing winds through the >whistle emits an ultrasonic whistle that supposedly startles deer and >drives them away. One brand even offers to pay for the damage if you hit >a deer with one of their whistles properly installed. If anybody cannot >find them in their area, contact me by email and I will find one down >here for you. >David Smoot >david@poapts.com > we have heard of several studies that say these whistles have been proven not to work ... so if you buy one ... buyer be ware ... i have no proof one way of the other ... just what we have read :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Dole/Kemp in '96 Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 09 Oct 1996 16:54:13 -0500 (CDT) by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA17397 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 1996 13:48:49 -0800 (AKDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 13:48:49 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC-800 colors To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 12:21 PM 10/9/96 -0600, you wrote: > I have had my PC for about a month now, I bought it "used" it had been... I think the metalic (1990) redis prety but.... what color would all of you pick if given the choice??? Art, I've always liked the "tan" color that comes in some of the new Chryslers, but lately I've been thinking of a spruce gree metallic, with a champagne bottom. Have fun, no matter what color you pick! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:22:29 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC-800 colors A solid color, no 2-tone! Blue maybe. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 18:47:17 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GORDON FRANK CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: 50mpg/throttlelock/oil filter GORDON FRANK wrote: > > Is this unusual? > I averaged 55.5 mpg and 52.6 mpg for my first 2 tankfuls on my new '96 PC! With 3,200 miles on the clock I average about 51 mpg. All time high and low were 59/48. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:25:49 -0400 To: saftpak@compusmart.ab.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC-800 colors what color would WE pick? I'd get a different color on each panel.... Moose painted is ST1100 British Racing green with Gold accents.. very stylin' Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "Art Rutledge" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: PC-800 colors Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:06:52 -0400 I don't have a particular one in mind but keep it light. I hate the '95 black. It scratches or gets dirty just by looking at it. The '90 red is great from a care standpoint. I also suspect the paint job on the '90 is a much higher quality than the '95. What do the '96 owners think about their red. A light green or blue might not be bad. That metallic purple/orchid/grape is kinda neat too. Good luck. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Art Rutledge To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: PC-800 colors Date: Wednesday, October 09, 1996 2:21 PM I have had my PC for about a month now, I bought it "used" it had been dropped on BOTH sides in what looks like two seperate low speed spills, missing a few plastic parts (on order $$$$$. I LOVE THIS BIKE!!!!! I have had a series of bikes in the last 30 years and curently own 3. My wife had no use for motorcycles and I was sure the PC would present a problem, on the contrary she now loves to go for a ride and iI could barely drag her out on my Suzuki GS. At any rate I will be repainting the bile this winter as part of "putting it right", there is something wrong with every pannel (fade, scratch etc) I am fussy. I have learned that honda's paint codes are a state secret and that you can't do as you do with a car and get the code and order the paint. So..... if I have to paint it any way mabie I should change the color. Now don't get me wrong I think the metalic (1990) redis prety but.... what color would all of you pick if given the choice??? Art Rutledge 1990 Pc-800 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Oct 96 20:09:55 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Oil filters, etc. There's been a lot of discussion about oil filters. Depending upon your preference, you're going to need one every 3,000...4,000...5,000 or whatever...miles. You already have a very low-maintenance bike, with no chain to adjust or replace and no valves to adjust. So...why try to find an after-market oil filter? Shop around and get your best price, but use a HONDA filter! I use Golden Spectro synthetic blend 10W/40 oil and change my oil, filter and final drive gear oil every 4,000 miles. Every 15,000 miles I replace tires and spark plugs. Every year or two I replace fluids. Other than that, I put gas in it, ride and enjoy it! Oh yeah...check steering head bearings every now and then, and replace the air filter every 24,000 miles. Again, air filters are costly, but shop around and use the HONDA air filter! It fits, it works, and it's not an item that you need to replace every month or two! Internally there IS a difference between Honda and other filters! And...if you have engine trouble, don't expect your friendly Honda dealer to be sympathetic when he sees an after-market oil filter on your bike! He'll probably tell you to take it to your favorite after-market dealer for warranty repair! It's sorta like a Gold Wing rider who will spend big bucks for his bike, more big bucks for chrome and lights, then go to K-mart and buy a rain suit that will disintegrate within twenty miles of its first wearing! It just doesn't make sense, does it? When have you seen a Gold Wing rider wearing an Aerostich or similar suit? I NEVER have...And...I have nothing against Gold Wing riders...I'm just using them as an example. Also...here in a non-helmet law state, many of them ride around without a helmet! I would have thought that they were old enough to know better! If you have a ten-cent head, wear a ten-cent helmet! And...if your head is worth nothing, put nothing on to protect it! Just my $.02 worth... Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:54:19 -0400 To: saftpak@compusmart.ab.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC-800 colors In a message dated 96-10-09 16:26:32 EDT, saftpak@compusmart.ab.ca (Art Rutledge) writes: << . what color would all of you pick if given the choice??? >> How about a nice metallic blue similar to the one that is in one of the pictures on the Neatherlands web page, and put the silver on the bottom like the '90! Phil Lewis So. Cal. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:43:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 19:35:49 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: 48 hours and counting Ok, the trip's on. There is a Plan. Get the hell out of WA by fastest route possible Southbound. Play with friends in SF. Visit Mom in LA. Play with friends in Vegas. Try to get back in time for the Cook-off. Must get back in time for work 10/21. Fall back plan is: 1) look at weather report; 2) look at map. 3) go where there's less water. Rat shit plan is: 1) call MOTOW; 2) find a close repair shop; 3) catch a flight to Hawaii and scuba dive. My sincerest thanx for trip suggestions and offers of riding companions and places to crash. I have a bunch of phone #'s, and if I'm in the vicinity at a decent and tolerable Hour, I shall call. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:09:20 -0500 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: cargo trailers anyone with experience installing a trailer hitch and pulling a cargo trailer on the PC please share your experiences and findings. Rick r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: PC-800 colors To: Art Rutledge cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Dear Art; I would like to see a PC in teal with silver. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 10:57:45 PDT Subject: Help To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Somebody please help. I've got a superb '90 PC 800L with only 25K miles, runs perfectly, Corbin seat, rear spoiler, trunk bags, upgraded suspension, drop dead gorgeous candy red factory paint without flaws or fading, etc. and I'm actually contemplating the purchase of a '97 GL1500 Aspencade. I don't know why I would consider the Hondabago over the Pacific Coast, but if someone doesn't help me decide to keep the PC, I may well end up with the Aspencade. What can I do? This is tough! John Louk johnl@wvpa.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , Subject: Re: Help Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:55:52 -0500 We are all free to make our own mistakes.... ---------- > From: johnl@wvpa.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Help > Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 12:57 PM > > Somebody please help. I've got a superb '90 PC 800L with only 25K > miles, runs perfectly, Corbin seat, rear spoiler, trunk bags, upgraded > suspension, drop dead gorgeous candy red factory paint without flaws or > fading, etc. and I'm actually contemplating the purchase of a '97 > GL1500 Aspencade. > > I don't know why I would consider the Hondabago over the Pacific Coast, > but if someone doesn't help me decide to keep the PC, I may well end up > with the Aspencade. What can I do? This is tough! > > John Louk > > johnl@wvpa.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Oct 96 18:06:03 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Joannie Penick's broken PC... As much as I hated to hear about Joannie Penick's problem with her PC, I was glad to learn that it didn't seem to result from normal use. I'd like to think that my PC is more or less bullet-proof, with normal care and maintenance! And...I think that it is! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:56:14 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: johnl@wvpa.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Help johnl@wvpa.com wrote: > I'm actually contemplating the purchase of a '97 GL1500 Aspencade. > ...but if someone doesn't help me decide to keep the PC, I may well end up > with the Aspencade. What can I do? 1) Relocate lawn mowers and other vegetation altering devices to kitchen or living room. 2) Buy GL1500 3) Keep PC-800 4) Live happily ever after gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 0002E388; Thu, 10 Oct 96 16:16:25 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:11:11 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re[2]: Help --IMA.Boundary.583989448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Now there is some advice worth listening to! ;) Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Help Author: "Gary E. Klim" at INTERNET Date: 10/10/96 6:56 PM johnl@wvpa.com wrote: > I'm actually contemplating the purchase of a '97 GL1500 Aspencade. > ...but if someone doesn't help me decide to keep the PC, I may well end up > with the Aspencade. What can I do? 1) Relocate lawn mowers and other vegetation altering devices to kitchen or living room. 2) Buy GL1500 3) Keep PC-800 4) Live happily ever after gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ --IMA.Boundary.583989448 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 0002E30B; Thu, 10 Oct 96 16:00:14 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id QAA12693; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAF22071; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:58:46 -0500 (CDT) 10 Oct 1996 17:57:16 -0500 (CDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21994 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:57:04 -0500 (CDT) daisy.snet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/SNET-1.2) with SMTP id SAA25503; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:56:45 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:56:14 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: johnl@wvpa.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Help --IMA.Boundary.583989448-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:41:28 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: johnl@wvpa.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Help How much room do you have in your garage and bank account? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:03:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Help John, During a summer trip from New Jersey to New England, I was able to swap with a buddy my PC800 for a '92 Aspencade GL1500 for a good part of a day. While the Wing was comfortable and easy enough to handle at low to high speeds, I was surprised at how noisy the engine was compared to the PC. Wind noise with my tall shield was about the same. After a couple hours in the saddle, my butt was only slightly more comfortable than when riding the PC. I have the stereo on my '89 PC, so that's not a factor. If I were doing a lot of touring with a passenger, the Wing is definitely the way to go for comfort and storage. For commuting to work, the twisties, and occasional touring, I prefer the PC800. (It's a lot easier to get out of my cramped driveway too.) I don't envy you, its a hard choice. Bob ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support voice: (609) 722-3777 Lockheed Martin E-mail: rmarks@motown.lmco.com fax: (609) 722-4410 Moorestown, NJ (near Philadelphia, PA.) AMA, HRC ... '89 PC800, '84 Helix (Nancy's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 10:53:33 PDT Subject: Re: Help! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Many thanks to all who responded to my plea for help. Several of you provided insights I had not considered in my frenzy to spend & send my Honda dealer to Aruba for a fall vacation. Loss of "motorcycle feel" is probably the deciding factor. Certainly not a rear tire burner, the PC is, however, a precise cut-and-thrust traffic simitar with its improved handling. I'd miss that too much. Next, I have yet to see any Hondabago with a paint finish quality equal to my PC. Cheap insurance (<$100/year) helps, too. I have seen the error of my thinking and my PC 800 stays...... it's been a fun, reliable, unique, economical, and to me, gorgeous ride for five years and I think I'll ride it exclusively for another five, at least. Thanks, all, for your support. I truly appreciate it. By the way, I'll resubscribe to this list when my own home e-mail account is activated. (My company e-mail system administrator objected to the volume of traffic I received while subscribed). Feel free to send to me individually, however. John Louk Carmel, IN johnl@wvpa.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 09:37:21 -0600 Subject: '94 PC800 for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text '94 Honda Pacific Coast for sale: 8,800 miles Warranted until 6/1/97 Black/silver Rifle 20" windshield Honda passenger backrest Honda fabric protective cover Honda service manual Excellent condition, wings have minor damage from zero speed tip overs $5,000 or best offer Doug Marlow Chelmsford, Massachusetts dougm@hp.com Home (508) 256-3594 Work (508) 659-3894 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:02:16 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: johnl@wvpa.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Help! Welcome back. We forgive you for unclean thoughts. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:03:38 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '94 PC800 for sale What's the reason for selling, if I may ask? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:43:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Givi trunk, friend or foe? Roger, Dana, and anyone else who has installed a Givi trunk on their PC: Have you noticed any change in handling in cross wind/no wind conditions? Have you noticed any change on you fuel mileage figures? I am no aerodynamicist, but it seems to me that the trunk would allow the air to "close" more smoothly behing the bike thanks to the contours of the trunk. Thanks for your comments! BTW, Fairbanks has finally gone monochrome and mono-digit (it was 8 degrees this morning) so from now until next April I will have to live vicariously through your trip reports. Keep 'em coming, it's for a good cause! :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:54:40 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: electrics...Quiz 1/2 answer/question Anyone know how big the alternator is on the PC?? Watts/Amps....all I see in the book is that it's a 3 phase something or other... Quiz answer... initially it was a loose connection on the zICM, a cigarrette box sized computer thingamajig that controlls the ignition... apparently the looseness for an undeterm,ined amount of miles, caused a series of voltae spikes in the iCm, which destroyed its ability to think in all cases....causing intermittant problems of an aggravating nature.... ICM has been replaced undr warranty and all seems well in PC land, for now at least. Anyone experience hard cold starting...cold = < 45~ ??? Thanks all. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:13:33 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: electrics...Quiz 1/2 answer/question At 02:54 PM 10/11/96 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know how big the alternator is on the PC?? Watts/Amps....all I >see in the book is that it's a 3 phase something or other... >From the "Specifications:" section in the web page: Electrical power 340w Battery 12v, 10ah >Quiz answer... > >initially it was a loose connection on the zICM, a cigarrette box sized >computer thingamajig that controlls the ignition... Sounds expensive. Anything we can check periodically and re-tighten? >Anyone experience hard cold starting...cold = < 45~ ??? Nope, not even at 25~ Didn't idle above 2000 rpm's at full choke though, but could have been I was above 3000 ft. (Fairbanks is at 440 ft so my PC is optimized for sea level). How old is your battery? Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:30:44 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: bmckenna@mint.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrics...Quiz 1/2 answer/question Bill McKenna wrote: > > Anyone know how big the alternator is on the PC?? Watts/Amps....all I > see in the book is that it's a 3 phase something or other... > Anyone experience hard cold starting...cold = < 45~ ??? 1) Alternator is 340 watts (or 23.5 amps @ 14.5 vdc) 2) Last Friday was 22 degrees when I left for my weekly trip to the bank - PC fired right up gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 17:21 CDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: mik@server1.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey) Subject: PC800 Factory Radio Program Dear Subscribers, As a recent purchasor of a '96 PC800, I have been disappointed with Honda motor corp for not offering a factory radio option. I have read through the archives dealing with the performance of the Kenwood that used to be an option, and I can't decide whether it was worth the price or not. Some people feel it is great, others don't think it had enough power. My problem is that I have a very quiet motorcycle, with an obvious place where speakers "can" be mounted. My feeling on this subject are that Honda is finding that people are starting to accept the Pacific Coast more, because it is a very practical vehicle and the looks are still futuristic. This afternoon, I spent about 20 minutes speaking to American Honda about this subject. They were frank with me regarding the sales of the original stereo as being soft. My feelings are that the radio was perhaps overpriced, and that technology has driven this market to lower cost and greater reliability and compact construction of the radio system. It is my understanding that an ST100 has similar configurations available for a stereo system that was once offered, although I am not sure. What I am asking is if the members of this group would be interested in writing to Honda, with the interest of having Honda offer a stereo system again. Kawasaki Concourse owners group convinced Kawasaki to continue building the Consourse after no production of these units in '96. Honda gave me a contact person to write to and express any interest in Honda providing a factory stereo system again for the PC. The name and address are as follows: Selestine Booker Motorcycle Service Operations American Motor Co. Inc 1919 Torrence Blvd. Torrence, CA 90501 Sincerely, Michael W. Dempsey mik@dakota.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:24:03, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wattage / Power Gary Klim wrote: >1) Alternator is 340 watts (or 23.5 amps @ 14.5 vdc) >2) Last Friday was 22 degrees when I left for my weekly trip to the bank - PC fired right up Thanks Gary, Perfect timing - I was just adding up the wattage for a heated suit ensemble (+gloves, socks, etc.) and find that 340 watts should be enough to handle anything. Unless someone has experienced difficulties with about 160-170 watts being drained for electric heating. (It was 45 degrees this am in Atlanta.) The Ga. mtns have had frost already. BTW, what is "vdc"? ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:46:53 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GORDON FRANK CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Wattage / Power GORDON FRANK wrote: > (It was 45 degrees this am in Atlanta.) The Ga. mtns have had frost already. BTW, what is "vdc"? Once I snap the thermal liner into the leathers and dig out the winter gloves, I can usually ride about 60 miles comfortably at 40 degrees. My throttle hand will then start to become chilled. (a result of bike Vs drunk driver 21 years ago...) "vdc" is Volts Direct Current, which is what you get after the "ac" (alternating current) from the alternator is rectified. This rectified dc is then fed to the regulator and from there is fed to the battery and the rest of the electrical system. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: , "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 20:50:14 -0400 Juan, happy winter. Please keep it up your way Riding solo there is a slight loss of stability in the rear, feels like a slight hunting. Two-up I didn't notice the box, even fully packed @25-30#. I don't see much difference in fuel mileage. It changes from tank to tank normally anyway. I would expect your aerodynamic theory to apply more 2-up than solo. My old method of a sheepskin rack and a 12x20 duffle bag bungeed behind the backrest was in tighter to the bike and $250+ cheaper. But the Givi is very convenient. I first tried the E460 (46liters) and now have the E50 Maxia (50liters). The Maxia is bigger than 4liters difference because of the shape. It is a boxy shape and much easier to pack. I believe the Maxia was the original product. The lineup has been gradually expanded. Quality product. PC mount = $71 and E50 = $183. Roger ---------- > From: Juan A. Goula > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Givi trunk, friend or foe? > Date: Friday, October 11, 1996 12:43 PM > > Roger, Dana, and anyone else who has installed a Givi trunk on their PC: > > Have you noticed any change in handling in cross wind/no wind conditions? > > Have you noticed any change on you fuel mileage figures? I am no > aerodynamicist, but it seems to me that the trunk would allow the air to > "close" more smoothly behing the bike thanks to the contours of the trunk. > Thanks for your comments! > > BTW, Fairbanks has finally gone monochrome and mono-digit (it was 8 degrees > this morning) so from now until next April I will have to live vicariously > through your trip reports. Keep 'em coming, it's for a good cause! :-) > > Juan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'johnl@wvpa.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:30:30 -0700 Cost considerations: Consider what all those Wing-like accessories will cost -- Can you still afford it? Insurance is certainly higher too. Riding consideration: How many miles do you ride every year? Are you comfortable on the PC? Ride with any sportbikes and like to keep up on the twisties? Do you ride two up alot and need the baggage space? Space: Can you park it in your garage? Is there room for more than one bike? Personally I'd have both plus other bikes. I want a herd/pack/flock/gaggle of bikes! Next 'additional' bike is probably a cruiser. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Oct 96 08:33:49 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Upcoming SC event The 'Low Country Red Riders' HRCA Chapter of Summerville, South Carolina is having its first Street Poker Run on Sunday November 3, 1996, starting and finishing at Luke's Honda/Kawasaki in Summerville, just 1/4 mile off I-26. First bike out at noon, last bike out at 1:00 pm. Registration starts at 11:00 am. Free soup, salad and fruit bar with soft drink at Shoney's after Poker Run. Cost is $10. For info, contact Dennis DeFendi @ 803/572-6905. Dana Sawyer for ; Sat, 12 Oct 1996 16:30:35 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Introduction Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 16:30:35 +0000 In accordance with the suggestion in the welcome message -- my introduction to list members. I'm known as Gordon, am located in Grand Rapids MI, have a 1990 pc800 which was purchased new (at reduced price) from a dealer in 1992. I have made no modifications to the bike, but wish there was a backrest for the driver. Up to this year I was riding about 10,000 miles a year. Trips include: (1) across US 2 to Washington State, around the Olympic peninsula, down to San Francisco, back route 50 to Kansas City, then back to Michigan. (2) Down to Dallas TX to store the bike in October 1992; flew back to Michigan. (3) Retrieved the bike in April of 1993, camped in Big Bend National Park, returned to Michigan. Lot of small trips in 1993. (4) Down to North Carolina with a friend and to the outer banks in 1994. Another trip to Kansas City and back to Michigan. (5) Around Lake Superior a couple of times in 1994 and 1995. (6) The only extended trip this year was to Iowa with a friend. Short trips around this area. Will probably be on the bike this afternoon as riding days are coming to an end for this season (Michigan, you know). In total I have about 42000 miles on the bike, all on the same battery. Change the oil and plugs myself usually. Am on the third set of tires, usually get 16-18000 miles on a set. Had one flat in a parking lot, just days before I was to have new tires put on. LUCK! The cycle does everything I want it to do. When I tour, I put my tent, sleeping bag, etc. on the second seat and use it for a backrest. Cool way to rest. When you're tired and need a rest on a hot day, take off your jacket and place it between the handle bars, put the bike on center stand, climb on the driver seat backwards (facing rear), take your boots off, set them beside the bike, put your helmet on top of the boots, lie back with your back on the gas tank, put your legs over the riders seat, and relax!!! WOW, will you get the attention.!!! Enough for now. Have not read any postings to pc800, but will write to anyone interested. Ride safely. Gordon. Gordon A. Golder 1836 Cross Bend NE Grand Rapids, MI 49505 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:33:28 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil filters, etc. In a message dated 96-10-09 20:13:40 EDT, 71430.340@CompuServe.COM (Dana L. Sawyer) writes: << Internally there IS a difference between Honda and other filters! And...if you have engine trouble, don't expect your friendly Honda dealer to be sympathetic when he sees an after-market oil filter on your bike! He'll probably tell you to take it to your favorite after-market dealer for warranty repair! >> Dana, Actually, Honda OEM's the filters from an outside source. The same filter is used by a number of Japanese motorcycle manufacturers including Suzuki and Kawasaki (I have both the Honda and the Suzuki OEM items on my shelf and they are both the same item manufactured for them by Toyo Roki Limited). You can shop for it at any of those dealers and cross price it. Roger Prince mentioned a source for <$7.00 for the Honda labelled item. That's a good price in my experience. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:35:33 -0500 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: air horns anyone with direct experience in selecting and installing airhorns... I want the dual horns which will activate in harmony with one another and will also operate alternately with one another. Need the following info: Vender Make and model of air horns diagram for installation r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 08:41:35 -0500 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: night touring lights Does anyone out there have a set of twin night touring lights on their PC? If so where and how did you mount them? We have seen them on the Gold Wings and they are effective. In creasing the bulb wattage on the PC is not what I wish to do. r&cmeek@bayou.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 10:44:13 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: PC's dead For those of you watching..... PC 800's (96) dead again...{{re: PC Quizzes 1/2....and followups}} < 700 miles after ICM was finally replaced..... Quit dead in the dark, no warning, on a curve.... near disaster. Needles to say she {the owner} is LIVID. Back to the drawing board....... Bill :( ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:26:12 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC's dead Bill McKenna wrote: > > For those of you watching.....PC 800's (96) dead again...Quit dead in the dark, no warning, on a curve.... Things electrical that can ruin your day (in no particular order): 1) Ignition Pulse Generator 2) Side Stand switch 3) Engine Stop switch 4) Ignition Control Module (although being the second one, this is a long shot) 5) Then there's the scary stuff: a) Internally broken strands of one or more conductors making intermittent connection b) Insulation of one or more wires worn through to expose conductors which can ground to chassis c) Your PC was somehow mistakenly assembled at the H-D factory... gk -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:12:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A Big Magnifying Glass!! Have any of you out there ever seen how the Honda windshield can melt your dash and you instruments? I've been hearing about it and I noticed a little melted spot on the right side of my dash by my right speaker, but since I bought my bike used, I really didn't know what caused it, and I just figured it was something done by the previous owner. But, yesterday, on our group ride, we all got to see exactly what happens when the sun shines on the windshield! We (8 of us in the SCPCMC) had parked our bikes in a small shopping center parking lot, just outside of Julian, California. (A beautiful area in the hills near San Diego!) We parked the bikes facing East. It was about 2:00pm or thereabouts, and the sun was shining down from a high Westerly direction. We were all milling around talking, when there was a loud exclamation, " THERE'S SMOKE COMING FROM YOUR DASH!!!" You see, it was my red '90 PC!! I have a stereo with speakers installed up front in the normal position, and my first reaction was that there was some kind of short circuit somewhere! Well, this was not the case at all! The sun was shining on my windshield, from above and slightly behind, and my windshield was acting like a concave mirror. The sun was being reflected onto my dash, and was being concentrated to one small point. (The same way you would burn wood or try to start a fire with a magnifying glass!) It actually melted a small spot just above my left speaker!! Now I have matching melted spots, because there is the same thing just above my right speaker! I didn't know how I got the first one, but now I know!! I also have a few marks on the topside of my dash, and I really didn't know how those got there, except for all the riders who have said that it was caused by the windshied; Well, now I really know! Honda has made a windshield which focuses the sun perfectly for condensing sunlight into one bright hot spot. After looking at some of the marks on my dash, I can see that as the sun moves (or the earth rotates :-) ) the focused beam just keeps melting in straight lines. There seems to be a fairly narrow focus, as my melted spots are almost exactly at the same point at opposite ends; both just above my speakers on either side. (At least now I have a matched set of Melts :-)! ) As the angle changes, the beam widens out a little, and, although it's still hot, the focus is too wide to produce the temperature needed to actually melt plastic (how hot do you think that would be???) Anyway, at least I learned what the real problem is. It's not parking toward the sun (of course, even that will still expose the dash to a lot of heat), it's parking with your back to the sun, where the mighty Honda Concave Solar Collector can do it's thing. (This is probably a good thing to know if you're camping out and need to heat your can of Pork and Beans!!!) Soooooooooooooooo, this may not be news to some of you, but it certainly surprised me!! This was a very interesting trip, but Harrison will have to write about the Other part. Happy Riding, Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dave Cooper" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: need radio for pc800 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 09:13:05 -0700 I recently bought a 1996 PC800. I would appreciate any information about the availability of a reaio for the bike. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: PILEWIS@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A Big Magnifying Glass!! On Sun, 13 Oct 1996 PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: > Have any of you out there ever seen how the Honda windshield can melt your > dash and you instruments? > > Soooooooooooooooo, this may not be news to some of you, but it certainly > surprised me!! Gee, I always wondered where that dash melt came from. I always just assumed the prior owner placed a burning hot dog up there or something. Never heard of this type of thing before. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 16:13:08 -0400 From: Thomas Zander <106265.455@compuserve.com> Subject: PC800inEurope To: PC800Forum Thomas Zander Hannover Germany PC 800 `92 106265.455@compuserve.com I would like to get in contact with PC800 users in Europe, espacially in Germany and talk about problems and solution refering to the mc. I´ve got a higher windshield and i´m interested in other modifications and their prices. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 17:02:35 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PILEWIS@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: A Big Magnifying Glass!! PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: > > Have any of you out there ever seen how the Honda windshield can melt your dash and your instruments? I test rode a '90 with the Tall Honda Solar Collector that had a nice phaser burn above the left speaker cut out. If you need a taller than OEM shield, use anything BUT the Tall Honda Solar Collector. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:43:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speedo Cable... Okay, all you PC800 Motorsickle geniuses, I've actually got a failed part on the StealthMobile! Yup, at 35,254 my speedometer quit working. I figure it's the speedometer cable and it doesn't look like too bad a job but I wanted to throw it out to youse guys (guys being non-sexist in this case!). Anyone ever had to deal with this? Any pitfalls? Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com '94 PC800 (stuck at) 35,254 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:18:58 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedo Cable... These PCs sure are becoming unreliable. I've been in to lube my cable a couple times. Requires removal of some bodywork to replace the cable. Remove windshield, then remove panel that's the rear of the windshield vent (2 screws). Now you have the rear of the meters and access to the upper end of the speedo cable. Easy from there on. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 06:23:00 PDT From: NorrisX Heckwine To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A Big Magnifying Glass!! Yes, I use to live in the San Diego area. And with the constant sunny weather, I had a melt down on the left dash with a stock windshield. Maybe it just has something to do with San Diego? ;) But oooo man is the San Diego back country, ridin' country ot what? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:09:39 -0400 To: r&cmeek@bayou.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: air horns Juan, Oh Juan, where are you???? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:13:00 -0400 To: PILEWIS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A Big Magnifying Glass!! So, Galileo was right....... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:14:32 -0400 To: 106265.455@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800inEurope Welcome, Check the archives/ e-mail search engine for the group/web page in the Netherlands. Where do you live in Germany? Todd Zedak Chicago ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:15:16 -0400 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedo Cable... Ask the MAN from OZ...... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: NorrisX Heckwine Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A Big Magnifying Glass!! I had the same problem, UNTIL, I put Saeng edging around the shield. I know that shoots down the theory that the entire windshield focuses the sun's rays, but with the edging - no further meltdown{ok On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, NorrisX Heckwine wrote: > Yes, I use to live in the San Diego area. And with the constant > sunny weather, I had a melt down on the left dash with a stock > windshield. Maybe it just has something to do with San Diego? ;) > > But oooo man is the San Diego back country, ridin' country ot what? > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:37:31 -0700 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: Re: Speedo Cable... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu i have a question for the list. has anyone seen the rings that have been developed in cyper space ... we have recently signed on to a cat ring as we both like cats ... are there enough people who have pcs on there homepage for us to try to start a pc ring ... i understand that there has to be at least 5 people who are interested in this ... if there are people who are interested i might try to check out how to start a new ring ... anybody interested ... if you want to see how rings work ... check out luvadot homepage and go to world of rings and check it out ... has anyone else out there been on a ring and no how to start a new ring ... thanks in advance .... :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Dole/Kemp in '96 Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ 14 Oct 1996 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) <01BBB9B8.ECFC4F60@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:17:38 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:17:35 -0700 From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: Dead Alternator To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" What happens when your alternator goes out.... I put my battery on a charger overnight and fresh from a good nights sleep went out to diagnose the problem. I have a shop manual for the PC800 (buy one, steal one, but don't have a PC800 without one!) :-). It helps you diagnose this problem (and many others) *very*well. You can see where they re-designed the 1989 wiring harness for the stator and the harness for the rectifier. What/why I have no idea but I'm starting to have a good idea. I started poking around. I checked the stator resistance (checked all three yellow wires to ground and everything was fine). I then noticed that the connector from the stator was full of some kind of white GUNK! I thought this was the stuff that builds up on battery terminals but it turns out to be some kind of white grease. Hmmmm. If the grease is non-conductive, perhaps it is keeping this connector from making a good connection. If it is conductive, then the whole connector would have to be shorted out (bad news in either case). I mean this stuff was all over the blades, contacts, connector etc. The stuff was inside of a semi-clear soft plastic cover that looked stock. I doubt that the grease is stock! Who would have put this grease in there? The only thing I can think of is that the mechanic (knowing of the stator problems) put this grease in these to keep the connector from overheating? Could it be that they under-spec'd the connector (the new design has two connectors). Hmmm. I removed the rubber cover (it was a bit discolored from what appears to be heat). I then wiped off the white grease. To clean out the connector, I used a screwdriver with a paper napkin on the end and ... zap! ... hmmmm ... no more power for the bike. After locating the main fuse for the PC800 (it is under the seat and they thoughtfully provide a spare)... (mental note, get another spare and don't clean connectors with a screwdriver!).... Back to diagnosing the problem. By my reading, it appears that the rectifier is bad (it is screwed to the frame with two phillips screws). Lord knows how much plastic you have to remove to get to it! OK, I'm not going to fix the problem with a new rectifier since it appears that the stator needs replacing along with the harness and who knows how much other stuff. Bundle it up and head out to the cycle shop to beg for a free fix (this is a recall item right?). Halfway to the shop my meter gets a life of its own and swings up to 14 volts. WHAT!?! I ride all last night hoping for life to my battery and it just fixes itself on the way to the shop????!!!!! Now I know a rectifier can't fix itself! Could it be that cleaning the contacts of that white grease finally payed off? I have no idea. I left my baby in the parking lot (all by itself and all night long). I get to call them this morning. Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:38:10 -0400 To: bmckenna@mint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC's dead In a message dated 96-10-13 10:42:48 EDT, bmckenna@mint.net (Bill McKenna) writes: << PC 800's (96) dead again...{{re: PC Quizzes 1/2....and followups}} < 700 miles after ICM was finally replaced..... Quit dead in the dark, no warning, on a curve.... near disaster. Needles to say she {the owner} is LIVID. >> This would not make me happy were I the owner. Near disaster is a very unsettling thing. You might talk seriously to your dealer about your state's lemon law (assuming that they have one that covers motorcycles). In general, four attempts to repair the same condition and they buy the bike back. Hope things go better for you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:38:10 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC's dead In a message dated 96-10-13 11:27:04 EDT, garyklim@snet.net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << c) Your PC was somehow mistakenly assembled at the H-D factory... >> This one's an oxymoron. Nothing gets assembled at the H-D factory ! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:57:28 -0700 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: Rings ... does anyone use them ... do we want a pc ring To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu sorry i meant to change the subject line ... On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) wrote: >i have a question for the list. has anyone seen the rings that have been >developed in cyper space ... we have recently signed on to a cat ring as we both >like cats ... are there enough people who have pcs on there homepage for us to >try to start a pc ring ... i understand that there has to be at least 5 people >who are interested in this ... if there are people who are interested i might >try to check out how to start a new ring ... anybody interested ... if you want >to see how rings work ... check out luvadot homepage and go to world of rings >and check it out ... > >has anyone else out there been on a ring and no how to start a new ring ... >thanks in advance .... > >:) > >bob and grace parker >http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot >__________________________________________________________________________ >"Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the >fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine > >Dole/Kemp in '96 > >Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email >_________________________________________________________________________ > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Dole/Kemp in '96 Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ 14 Oct 1996 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT) <01BBB9B5.8E5E8980@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:53:31 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:53:28 -0700 From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: October trip report To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Trip report through apple country in Southern California (10/12/96)... I was not sure how many PCs we would have on this trip but set out early Saturday morning to meet Johan at a local computer store parking lot. It was a foggy morning but this was a good sign since it has been real hot lately and I was hoping for some cooler weather. I was looking forward to showing off my new voltmeter and clock. Little did I know that this voltmeter (just installed that week!) would prove critical to us... Dave (my #2 son) and I went over the map. I had two routes planned. One long trip by the Salton Sea and one a bit shorter through Julian and out to Palm Springs. We would decide over breakfast. I met up with Johan & Lillie right at 8:30AM and we headed out to San Juan Capistrano on the 405 going south. I love riding in the morning when the air is cool and the traffic light. We made good time to the Ruby's restaurant in San Juan Capistrano. We met Phil coming the other way at the stop light! The three of us parked, did a once over to make sure everything was OK on the PCs and went inside to order. I passed around my buttons for the trip (made from the PC800 picture Johan isusing for the embroidery). I also gave Phil my carpet cutout templates for the PC. I worked hard enough making them, I wanted them to get more than one usage! :-) We ordered breakfast and started looking over the map. We decided to run through Julian (a great spot for lunch) and then instead of going out to the Salton Sea, we would take a tour of apple country. The day was just perfect for a nice long ride! Eric and Steve came into the restaurant at about 9:30 to make our compliment complete. We had five PC800s parked on both sides of the street (the harleys moved on) ;-). After breakfast, we went outside and (as usual) had to drool over the immaculate condition of Eric's black PC800. It takes a lot of work keeping it clean but boy does it look sharp! We call it the Batcycle! I had to show everyone my new meters. When they asked what the voltmeter did,I had to admit it was kinda boring. You turn the key and the voltmeter shows 11 volts. You then start the engine and it shows about 12 volts. You then rev the engine and it shows 14 volts. Kinda boring... I had no idea how nice boring can be! I did make one rule on this trip. SOMEONE ELSE would LEAD! ;-) I would not be getting us lost on this trip ;-). Phil volunteered and off we went. I was especially glad Phil was leading since I would have made a left coming out of the restaurant and Phil (correctly I might add) went right ;-). Down the 5 freeway we went. All five PC800s gleamin' in the sun (well it was still overcast a bit actually) :-). Phil had his Maxon, I had my Chatterbox,and Johan had a Maxon. With Johan in the back, he got the best view IMHO :-). We just *gotta* get everyone up on a radio for the next trip! It is just too much fun talking back and forth as you ride :-). I really enjoyed having Phil in the lead since I could then relax and not worry about missing the turnoff! Phil got us on the right exit and inland we rode toward Julian and through some really pretty scenery. The ride to Julian was twisty in spots (SLOW DOWN PHIL!) ;-) and on some stretches, Phil would ride no hands adjusting this or that (PHIL!) ;-). Actually Phil is a very safe rider and excellent tour guide through apple country. We reached Julian and immediately decided to stop. That is we refused to drive though the marching band of Civil War soldiers proceeding right down the main street! :-) Now you might think that parking in Julian would be a snap. We are in a very isolated small town in the middle of nowhere and on motorcycles. How hard could it be? 30 minutes later ;-)... and after breaking up to find *any* spot we could... we found one space that would hold three bikes and the other group parked in front of a dusty front-loader :-). We were in semi-constant contact via radio! We walked down to a nice looking barbeque restaurant and Dave and I immediately ordered a slice of pie (I mean *COME-ON!* this is *apple* country!) ;-). At this restaurant, a single slice of pie is a full meal (I was wondering if I would finish the whole thing; Dave had no trouble). I won't go into the 'bee' incident... ;-). We left the restaurant with a fun route planned that would take us up into Palm Springs and back via the freeway. We went this way once before with Morgan but instead of turning west toward the ocean, we turned east toward Palm Springs. It was at this point I noticed my meter no longer read 14 volts.... what!... hmmm.... It only read 12 volts. HMMMMMM. Faulty meter was our first guess. Well the bike seems fine so off we rode. We were going through some really magnificent country and is was getting late into the afternoon. The traffic was light to non-existent. When we did have to pass a car or truck, the radios helped keep this *very* safe ("ALL CLEAR!"). When we hit Idlewild, it was obvious that my lights were beginning to dim and my meter read a little over 11 volts. We stopped for some $1.71/gallon gasoline (everyone got three gallons). Our plan to get to Palm Springs would have to wait. I tried to make the best of it thinking that it would stay on 11 volts all the way home (Yep! My little 11 volt PC800...). Unfortunately, it did not work out that way. Our plan was to go down into Hemet and then to Lake Elsinore, out the Ortega (at night! Whoopie!) and home. I had confidence we could make it! The sun was going down.... By the time we came into Hemet (the sunset *was* magnificent), my voltmeter was reading a little over 10 volts and I 'discovered' another small problem. You see I was using a dark face shield, *and* I have an RF700, *and* RF700s have a little problem. They will not allow the faceshield to stay up at speed; and it was getting *real* dark.... I started to sweat.... OK, no problem! We pulled over in Hemet to make a phone call home ("I'll be a little late Dear..."). By this time, it was dark. We pulled over a second time to make another call, and as fate would have it, my PC800 would no longer start :-}. I'll give credit to Phil; he saw the solution right away and was breaking out the tools. Phil and I would swap batteries, and we would make a dash for home. 30 minutes later, we managed to swap the batteries (having never done this, we relied on Phil who seemed to know everything necessary to getting this done). I can now do this in 15 minutes but we were in the dark, doing this by flashlight (again, Phil planned ahead!). A quick push start for Phil (he had my dying battery) and his PCstarted right up. This is done in second gear BTW :-). OK, now for the dash home! My meter was reading 11.5 volts and I powered onto the 215 freeway seeking the shortest (and fastest) route back to Anaheim. Unfortunately, I was planning a nice slow (faceshield UP) trip down the Ortega! On the freeway, my faceshield would *not* stay up; I didn't want to remove it (I probably should have) so we did everything by radio. "Houston; we have a problem..." Now I was not blind (just closer to it that I like to be!). Phil pulls out in front (my request) and I stick to his tail as we zip down the 215 toward the 91. My voltmeter becomes my fuel gauge (scenes from Apollo 13 flash through my head). It read 11.25 volts (I can read the fractions now) and I know I have 1.25 volts before the battery is so low the bike will not start and I become a hazard on the freeway. 1.25 volts and about 75 miles to ride... How long will Phil's battery last? I'm thankful Phil got a good battery and charged it fully before this trip! Steve needed to attend a function that afternoon so he headed out the Ortega and I was feeling a bit jealous (the Ortega at night is just *too* much fun!). So that left four. Phil in front, I was running #2, Eric #3, and Johan keeping an eye on the evil cages in the rear ;-). By the time we hit the 91, I was down to 11 volts. We had about 50 miles to go and one volt left... It was so dark that I asked Phil to let me know when the lane was clear to change. My lights were dim and the #$%$%#$ faceshield made it difficult to check my blind spot. Eric pulled off on the 55 toward home and Johan went down the 57 (as I recall) :-). It was just Phil and I on that last stretch. When we got off the freeway, my brakelights would pull the battery voltage down to 10 volts YIKES!. Do I brake or save the battery? I decided to brake quickly ;-). Phil and I nursed the bike through a series of stoplights all the way to my driveway where we swapped batteries again. I hope I didn't discharge it too much Phil! Needless to say, our "Captain" brought us home (thank you Houston!) and everything worked out just fine. Lessons learned; 1) When you can... drive in a group! 2) Drive with other PC800s! (the parts are interchangeable!) ;-) Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: Dead Alternator From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Oct 1996 15:36:39 -0500 Lines: 15 >>>>> "HS" == Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> writes: HS> I then noticed that the connector from the stator was full of some kind HS> of white GUNK! Probably white lithium grease, used for waterproofing. Any connector that carries major current and which could possibly be exposed to water should have some of this in it to keep things from getting corroded. HS> If the grease is non-conductive, perhaps it is keeping this connector HS> from making a good connection. Nope, it's fine. I make sure that this stuff is in every connector. - J< (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 00032B52; Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:08:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:01:54 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: Re: October trip report --IMA.Boundary.303723548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part What is/was wrong with the bike? You left us hanging... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: October trip report Author: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> at INTERNET Date: 10/14/96 9:53 AM Trip report through apple country in Southern California (10/12/96)... 1) When you can... drive in a group! 2) Drive with other PC800s! (the parts are interchangeable!) ;-) Harrison --IMA.Boundary.303723548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 00032553; Mon, 14 Oct 96 11:03:56 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id LAA22004; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAF26729; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:04:33 -0500 (CDT) 14 Oct 1996 13:04:13 -0500 (CDT) for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:04:08 -0500 (CDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21563 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:49:35 -0500 (CDT) 14 Oct 1996 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT) <01BBB9B5.8E5E8980@cypspain.ug.eds.com>; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:53:31 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 09:53:28 -0700 From: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Subject: October trip report To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" --IMA.Boundary.303723548-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:47:55 -0700 From: luvadot@sprynet.com (Bob and Grace) Subject: went to see my honda dealer this weekend To: HondaPacificCoastOwners hi to the list, i went to see my honda dealer this weekend ... i think they are a pretty big company in northern virginia ... i told him what the list had said about the 97 pc and the flyer several people had seen... he said he did not believe it ... it had talked to american honda late friday and was told by them that there would not be any release of information until after the sales meeting at the end of the month ... i was hoping to get a copy of the flier and try to get it digitize to put on my homepage .. does not look like that will happen until november ... hope everyone had a great weekend ... :) bob and grace parker http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/luvadot __________________________________________________________________________ "Those who reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." - Thomas Paine Dole/Kemp in '96 Send *NO* Unsolicited Commercial Email _________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:47:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: FOF what a GREAT TIME!!!! Hi All, Just wanted to add my bit about the well organized, super time had by all at the latest ride. I had some great chats and even better rides, including and 85 mph blast home on the slab. I rode from Flat River, MO to Madison, WI with a group of people that split up as we approached Madison. He and I stopped for fuel and a breather, (he was riding a old Moto Guzzi like it would quit if slowed to below 70 ! ) and a young ( 18 - 19 ) approached and asked if we knew the area, they were lost. We said, sure we can try to help. They said, " How do you get to California from here?". I said, "Well, I'm not from around here? Do you mean California Street or CA, like the state?" They said, "The state." I said "California is a big state. Where in California did you want to go, Nothern, Southern, LA ? " They said, "We don't know. Where is LA ? " I said "Do you guys have any money?" They said, "Yeh, $5. " I said "Why don't you spend $3 of it on a map..." I then directed them to I-90, West. Watch out for a white leBaron piloted by two dumb kids from MI. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:47:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Rider thoughts... semi long I had a very enjoyable ride at FOF this weekend. I showed up late, ( the usual). I left Chicago at 10pm, hoping to make the 360 miles by 4AM. Was frozen out in Springfield, IL. Finally arrived at Rosener's at about NOON. Everyone had already left, (the bastards :) ) so I secured a map and figured I catch someone on the return loop. The ride was a 300 mile figure 8 which doubled back on itself 80 miles from the start. It was at this point I ran into 3 guys from the HSTA ride. 1 ST1100, 1 VFR, and 1 Buell. I introduced myself and asked if I might accompany them to the finish. We had about 120 miles to go to finish the second half of the loop. They agreed and off we went. The ST1100 guy was clearly not out to break any speed records. The other two were very fast. They were older ( 32 and 55 ). I only mention this by way of clarity. These were not two kid squids on crotch rockets. They smoothly and QUICKLY scooted up the road. I (on my PC ) did what I could to keep up, which I basically did, but whenever they wanted, they dis-appeared around the bends. I accepted my limited skills and the fact that my ride was not the equal of theirs in the power and handling department and concentrated on not straying across the yellow line, being smooth, looking down the road, blah blah blah.... I also noticed a blue smoke from the VFR when it was shifted. At a stop, ( they waited for me and the ST), I asked about it. That brought much laughter from the Buell and the ST. Seems the VFR had been mistaken filled with DIESEL fuel. It ran for 2 miles and died. They siphoned all the diesel out and re-filled with reg. gas. However, some oil was still in the system. DON'T try this at home. But, I digress. At the BS session's in the parking lot after the dinner, I was chatting with the VFR guy. He said, "I was very impressed that you kept up with us as well as you did. " I said " Well thanks, but you guys were the ones that impressed me." We continued to blow smoke up each others asses for awhile until the VFR guy said, " You know, I was even more impressed when you didn't keep up with us. " I said "Oh, uh thanks......" His point was that I knew my limits. When a stranger asks to ride with you, you tacitly accept some measure of responsibility for his/her well being. They weren't sure that they wanted me to ride with them because they wanted to go fast. They had no idea how good a rider I was, or if I knew my limits. If they start screaming around, I try to keep up and crash, I've ruined their good time and mine. They were watching me at the start. They saw that I was reasonably skilled AND knew when to back off. This allowed them the freedom to ride as they wished, without worrying about me. This had never occured to me before but I thought it was an observation worth sharing. We all end accepting a measure of responsibility for each other out there. We all need to make sure that we don't GET in over our heads. And we also have some responsibility to see that we don't create situations where others can get in over theirs. Just my .02. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:12:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tenuous Threads... Purely as a matter of curiousity regarding the responding post to my post about the speedometer cable--is there a connection between speedometer cables and "cyberspace rings"? Having previously worked in the radio industry, I am familiar with the term "segue" where one term triggers a discussion on a related topic--but somehow I missed the segue in this situation! No bad thoughts intended. Just wonderin', Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com '94 PC - 35,254 miles and holding ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:26:43 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Timmacy@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Tenuous Threads... Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > I am familiar with the term "segue" where one term triggers a discussion on a > related topic--but somehow I missed the segue in this situation! The segue was in the form of a narrative...by Rod Serling (cue Twilight Zone theme music...) ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:52:14 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> CC: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: October trip report Harrison Spain wrote: >... 2) Drive with other PC800s! (the parts are interchangeable!) Luckily the problem allowed the swap of the only vital part that is intechangeable while keeping both bikes running. Can you imagine..."Hey, I lost my oil drain plug can I use yours?" ;-) E ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:53:47 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: TedJ101@aol.com CC: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC's dead TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-10-13 11:27:04 EDT, garyklim@snet.net (Gary E. Klim) > writes: > > << c) Your PC was somehow mistakenly assembled at the H-D factory... > >> > > This one's an oxymoron. Nothing gets assembled at the H-D factory ! > I thought they assembled mistakes. ;-) E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:51:20 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Flier Bob Parker mentioned Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:51:20 +0000 Message in which Bob Parker talked about a "flier": Since I'm new on the list, I missed the original talk about a flier. Can someone update me about it. Gordon (newbie on the list!) Gordon A. Golder 1836 Cross Bend NE Grand Rapids, MI 49505 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:16:52 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Electrical system failure Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:16:52 +0000 Howdy all! Been reading about Harrison's problem on last week's ride in Southern California (Am I envious - Californians must have 8 or 9 months of riding weather, whereas here in Michigan we can expect perhaps six months). Anyway on with a story. A friend and I were in Iowa for a wedding in mid August. We had stopped in a small Iowa town where he had a taste for some sweet corn which was being sold from the back of pickup. We had no way to cook it. So, he introduced himself to a lady walking away from the convenience store and asked her if she would boil us a roasting ears if we purchased them. Surprise!! She said YES! (Now my riding buddy is 250 pounds and looks ominous, even though his is a super nice and mild person) We had the corn. I went out to start my pc800 which had been parked in the sun. I turned the key on, the lights went on, hit the starter, and everything went dead. I fiddled with the key, raised and lowered the kick stand, pushed the button from run to off and back to run. Tried again, no lights when key was turned on. After doing this several times, it finally started. As I rode on I noticed that the temp gauge was edging upward, higher than it normally read. Next time we stopped I checked the reserve coolant, found it low. Continued riding. Next day, before we left by Ferry from Manitowac Wi for Ludington, MI, we went to a Honda dealer got more coolant, filled the reserve, got on the boat and sailed over to Michigan. We parted company as I headed south for Grand Rapids and he headed east to Big Rapids. I rode hard to get home before dark. Stopped just outside of Grand Rapids for a rest stop, came out to start the bike and the same sequence occurred - key on, lights on, hit started button, everything goes dead. I repeatedly tried to start it. Finally, gave up, called my wife to come get me, left the bike in well lighted spot and prayed for it's safety. After a restless night of sleep, got up at 5 am drove out to the bike. It was ok except for the fact that someone had tp'd it. I tried to start it a could of time -- no luck. I got out the handbook, decided to check the master fuse. After taking plastic off, seat off, etc., found the master fuse to be ok. Reassembled the bike, expecting to have to call for a trailer to take me to a shop, tried the starter. IT STARTED! Took it to a Honda dealer. Told the technician of my problem with starting and the coolant. He checked the electrical system and could find nothing wrong. He replaced the coolant and told me he had found oil in it. (Someone must have messed with the bike at some motel along the way, I guess.) Since that time I have taken oil off the top of coolant in the coolant reserve. Seem to have gotten it all now, I think. Technician said there was no evidence of any coolant in the oil when he changed that according to my instructions. So, why these problems? Regarding the electrical. Each time when the engine would not start the bike had really overheated, even though the cooling fan went on. My guess is that overheating might have short circuited something. Any thoughts on this? Regarding the coolant. Again, someone must have sabotaged me. Sorry for the long post. Gordon. Gordon A. Golder 1836 Cross Bend NE Grand Rapids, MI 49505 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:13:07 -0400 To: GAG@worldnet.att.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical system failure In a message dated 96-10-15 10:18:51 EDT, GAG@worldnet.att.net (Gordon Golder) writes: << Regarding the electrical. Each time when the engine would not start the bike had really overheated, even though the cooling fan went on. My guess is that overheating might have short circuited something. Any thoughts on this? >> My guess (from automotive experience) is that you have a connection in the starting circuit (quite possibly in the solenoid area) that is marginal. It can carry the juice for the lights and ignition but when you hit the starter it can't carry all the juice and you get an open circuit. This is consistent with corrosion in a connection and is somewhat consistent with the apparent temperature sensitivity of the condition. (When the bike cools down, the contraction of the connection makes it tighter and the bike is able to start.) The solution (if I am right) is to take apart and clean all the connections in the starting circuit. This is not as bad a job as it sounds and will be quite educational for you as well. Good luck! (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 000344C4; Tue, 15 Oct 96 11:24:52 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:17:56 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical system failure --IMA.Boundary.298304548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part More like about 350+ days a year in Southern California. It is rough, but someone has to do it. Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Electrical system failure Author: Gordon Golder at INTERNET Date: 10/15/96 2:16 PM Howdy all! Been reading about Harrison's problem on last week's ride in Southern California (Am I envious - Californians must have 8 or 9 months of riding weather, whereas here in Michigan we can expect perhaps six months). Anyway on with a story. --IMA.Boundary.298304548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 4) Enterprise) id 00033BBF; Tue, 15 Oct 96 07:17:30 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id HAA04842; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAF29647; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:18:06 -0500 (CDT) 15 Oct 1996 09:17:41 -0500 (CDT) [204.127.129.3]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29630 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:17:33 -0500 (CDT) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:16:52 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: Electrical system failure Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:16:52 +0000 --IMA.Boundary.298304548-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:25:45 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gordon Golder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Electrical system failure Gordon Golder wrote: > I turned the key on, the lights went on, hit the starter, and everything went dead. As I rode on I noticed > that the temp gauge was edging upward, higher than it normally read. He replaced the coolant and told me he > had found oil in it. As Bart Simpson would say: "I've got a bad feeling about this..." There are several methods by which oil and coolant can become intimate with each other. Here we go: 1) Water pump seal failure. (Ironic that it's powered by a PTO shaft off the oil pump) 2) Head gasket leak (although this usually results with coolant getting into oil) If it were my bike I would: a) Change the oil immediately to verify that there's no coolant in it. b) Then I would drain, flush and replace coolant. (Reserve tank as well) Now we have a nominal baseline condition that any deviation from is cause for copious amounts of anxiety and stress. c) Check oil for frothing (small pen light works well to illuminate filler hole). d) Check coolant for oil (AFTER engine cools, remove radiator cap and suck out a quantity and inspect for oil). e) Consume significant amounts of favorite beer to combat stress related insomnia... As for the electrical anomalies: I) Separate and clean all connectors with tuner cleaner containing lubricant (Don't get it on body panels). II) Repeat this procedure with all fuses. III) Isolate and verify ohmically that side stand switch and orange kill switch are OK. IV) Check battery connections for tightness and corrosion. V) See "e" above... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:59:22 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: electrical problems Hi all, Gee, it's kinda scary hearing about all the electrical problems some of us are having with our beloved PC's. I just had to replace a new battery with another one, due to a crack in the first one, which bubbled out the side of it. The Honda mechanic first thought it was my starter, but was glad it was only the battery. A friend of mine said that starters are pretty tough, and rarely go out, unless abused. I keep seeing riders having their stators and alternators going out on them at fairly low mileage. I have about 14,000 miles on my '90 PC, and now don't want to take any long trips, fearing it will go out on me any time now. Too bad there isn't any preventive maintenance that can be done on these to prolong their life. I wonder if Honda is aware of this problem, or if they are, do they care? The PC is such a neat bike, and it's suppose to be so maintenance-free, so what gives? Anyway, hope others are still enjoying their PC's without any difficulties. Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:05:34 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: DORMAN CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problems DORMAN wrote: > I keep seeing riders having their stators and alternators going out on them at fairly low mileage. The evil Darth Stator is predominantly a curse of the '89 PC. Most electrical problems of post '89 PC's seem to occur "downwind" of the alternator. Although this doesn't make me sleep any better at night, at least most things after the alternator don't cost quite as much. (assuming they quit after the warranty expires...) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:41:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: The PC--One Darned Smart Bike! Yup, I just realized today how smart my bike really is. On its own, without any prodding from me, it decided all by itself that it didn't need self-cancelling turn blinkers any more. I think it read the press on the '97 PC and didn't want to be one-upped. One darned smart bike, eh? OBTW, my local Hounda dealer determined that my broken speedometer cable was covered under warranty. They had to order the cable--of course. But at least I don't have to pay for it. (Maybe the turn blinker is covered too?) Ride Your Own Ride (And turn off that damned turn blinker!) Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:24:07 -1000 (HST) To: Gordon Golder From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Re: Electrical system failure Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I rode hard to get home before dark. Stopped just outside of Grand Rapids >for a rest stop, came out to start the bike and the same sequence occurred - >key on, lights on, hit started button, everything goes dead. I repeatedly >tried to start it. Finally, gave up, called my wife to come get me, left >the bike in well lighted spot and prayed for it's safety. > >After a restless night of sleep, got up at 5 am drove out to the bike. It >was ok except for the fact that someone had tp'd it. I tried to start it a >could of time -- no luck. I got out the handbook, decided to check the >master fuse. After taking plastic off, seat off, etc., found the master >fuse to be ok. Reassembled the bike, expecting to have to call for a >trailer to take me to a shop, tried the starter. IT STARTED! > Gordon, I had a similar problem with my bike '89, but the cause was different. My failure to start was due to a stator problem in the alternator. If the problem is somewhere in the starting cycle or the battery is too weak to start the bike it is easy to jump start it. Since my alternator gave out the battery was too weak and I experienced the same symptoms. In cases like ours you might not have to leave it in an unsafe place or have it towed. My bike was stuck at a beach park, and fortunately I had a friend along with me. I got on the bike, turned the key to "on", set the bike in 1st gear, disengaged the clutch and had my friend give me a running push from the rear. At about 10 mph I quickly engaged the clutch and gave some gas. After about 3 attempts, the bike started and I was able to ride home. I have done this several times on my 750 Sabre by myself by rolling down a slight hill. On both bikes I was amzed to see how easily they started. The one caution is to be careful not to flood the engine when you pop the clutch and give gas. If this happens, you might have to sit fur awhile to let the pistons clear. Once I flooded my Sabre so badly that I had to remove and clean the spark plugs. But the bike did finally start. Hope this tip might help you or someone else in the future. Aloha, Ron Wed, 16 Oct 1996 7:27:30 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 07:30:00 -0500 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: The PC--One Darned Smart Bike! At 02:41 AM 10/16/96 -0400, you wrote: >Yup, I just realized today how smart my bike really is. On its own, without >any prodding from me, it decided all by itself that it didn't need >self-cancelling turn blinkers any more. I think it read the press on the '97 >PC and didn't want to be one-upped. > >One darned smart bike, eh? > >OBTW, my local Hounda dealer determined that my broken speedometer cable was >covered under warranty. They had to order the cable--of course. But at >least I don't have to pay for it. (Maybe the turn blinker is covered too?) I believe replacing the broken speedometer cable will also fix your blinker problem. Part of the turn signal set up depends on speed sensing to work. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:24:31 -0400 To: buster@hic.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: electrical problems In a message dated 96-10-15 20:55:26 EDT, buster@hic.net (DORMAN) writes: << I keep seeing riders having their stators and alternators going out on them at fairly low mileage. I have about 14,000 miles on my '90 PC, and now don't want to take any long trips, fearing it will go out on me any time now. >> Stop being such a worry wart. Go ride the damn thing and have fun. Stators don't usually fail until about 30K or so. It was only on some bikes....... Get out and RIDE!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'carol ann decelle-meek'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: night touring lights Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:27:58 -0700 Two Brothers Racing recently added ST1100 driving lights to their catalog. The lights mount beneath the rear view mirror housings. Considering the similarity between the PC800 and ST1100 mirror design I can't see any reason it won't work on the PC. See http://www.twobros.com for more information. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Oct 96 03:14:48 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Leon gets to keep the worm! Leon...You get to keep the worm...both pieces of it! Anyone who bites that hard on bait should definitely keep the worm! Roger Prince asked if I had been smoking or sniffing again...I've been doing both! To those of you that don't know me, I have a rather weird sense of humor. I love a good joke, and I can take it as well as dish it out! You've just seen an example of it in my posting regarding valve adjustment and my four-cylinder "soap dish!" It wasn't meant to be a trivia question... Leon...just to show you that my heart's in the right place, I'm mailing you a certificate that can be redeemed at your local Honda dealer for your next Pacific Coast valve adjustment! Please notice that I didn't post your last name, Leon! Frankly, I really didn't expect anyone to take me seriously...just goes to show you how little I know about human nature! You get off easy...pity my wife Lynn who has put up with my foolishness for more than forty-two years! anaD reywaS P.S. to Leon...send me your snail-mail address...I do have something of value for you...thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:24:10 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: 'PC's dead 'followup Give that man a SEEE-GARRR! R I G H T On the money....... R/R, plus the ICM, battery, and other Shtuff.... and a $mall collection of $cuffed Tupperware. Dealer's going good for it all. Claim$ minimal reimbur$ement from the big H..... Dealer's being decent....... lemon law paper$ filed, in ca$e of reoccurrence 3. FWIW Thanks for ALL the input folks!! Bill & Karen (hers!!) Jeff Hopkins wrote: > > Mine did that until I replace the regulator/recetifier. Try that. It cost > Honda about $1000 to figure that one out. > > Jeff Hopkins > > ---------- > > From: Bill McKenna > > To: PC800 newsletter > > Subject: PC's dead > > Date: Sunday, October 13, 1996 9:44 AM > > > > For those of you watching..... > > > > PC 800's (96) dead again...{{re: PC Quizzes 1/2....and followups}} > > < 700 miles after ICM was finally replaced..... > > > > Quit dead in the dark, no warning, on a curve.... Near disaster. > > > > Needless to say she {the owner} is LIVID. > > > > Back to the drawing board....... > > > > Bill :( > > > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe PC800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:16:54 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" CC: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800 newsletter Subject: The Fine Print....... Re: Deer Whistles: Picked up a package of a pair of Loomco [Deer Whistle] "Animal Saver System"....... the original!!! (only $0.88 !!) :) Fine print on the back of the package says: """ Don't expect Animals to TAP DANCE or STAMPEDE when you approach. They will continue to graze when your saver system is working, and they will hear your saver system before they see your headlights. Other animals may disperse....""" Vaguely amusing??? Tap dance or Stampede??? hmmmm. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Oct 96 08:36:20 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: So...the joke's on you! With my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, I wrote the following: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Oct 96 09:50:43 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Have I got a problem? Some of you have been talking about valve adjustment intervals. I may have a serious problem... To the best of my knowledge, my trusty (?) mechanic has never adjusted the valves on my '90 Pacific Coast. It seems to run OK, but I'm wondering if I should have them checked sometime in the near future. I'm not even sure that I have any valves. All I see under that red plastic is a white plastic engine! I do know one thing...I see four spark plugs, so I know that lurking under all that plastic is a plastic four-cylinder engine! Suggestions? Dana Sawyer Hey! You folks don't credit me with having anything between my ears! I must have done a good job of sounding serious, huh? Everyone knows that the PC has a squirrel cage with eight gerbils inside! BTW...what is that big key for that is sticking out through the bodywork? No wonder my PC doesn't have a battery...I just give that key a few turns every month or so, and it moves out smartly! anaD reywaS (AKA ehT lissof) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 08:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: So...the joke's on you! Hey, you mean to tell me that they put a key on the 90's?????? I've put out a fortune for steroids for those damn 89 gerbils!!!! Barre' P.S. I got it...And it's true about what steroids can do....I've got some really grotesque looking gerbils now! ;) Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On 17 Oct 1996, Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > Everyone knows that the PC has a squirrel cage with eight gerbils inside! > > BTW...what is that big key for that is sticking out through the bodywork? > > No wonder my PC doesn't have a battery...I just give that key a few turns every > month or so, and it moves out smartly! > > anaD reywaS (AKA ehT lissof) > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:24:49 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: electrical problems and gerbils Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:24:49 +0000 Thanks to all who gave suggestions for correcting my electrical failure. Will take all of them to the techy who works on my 90 pc800. The real problem may be that the gerbils ran we sleeping. Hm!! To show my ignorance. I know I have to change four spark plugs, but I always thought the pc800 was just a two cylinder engine. Have I been sleeping? Gordon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Gordon Golder cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils No Gordon, ya got it backwards, 2 cyclinders 4 gerbils! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Gordon Golder wrote: > Thanks to all who gave suggestions for correcting my electrical failure. > Will take all of them to the techy who works on my 90 pc800. The real > problem may be that the gerbils ran we sleeping. > > Hm!! To show my ignorance. I know I have to change four spark plugs, but I > always thought the pc800 was just a two cylinder engine. Have I been sleeping? > > Gordon > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 17 Oct 1996 16:13:14 -0500 (CDT) (peer crosschecked as: felix.filenet.com [198.3.8.11]) id QQblwe24950; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:05:17 -0400 (EDT) id RAA18965; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:00:26 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai Subject: Night lites To: PC800 Mail List The PDF file that you have to download from their web sight looked cool on the ST. Just called Two Brothers Racing regarding the lights. They're really close by my work so I figured if the price is right I'd pick some up. It turns out the price is ... better sit down for this ... $299.98 "Thank you very much" said I and then hung up the fone. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:39:50 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Barre Bull From: Gordon Golder Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 22:39:50 +0000 At 05:08 PM 10/17/96 +0000, you wrote: >No Gordon, ya got it backwards, 2 cyclinders 4 gerbils! > >Barre' > Barre' - Wow! No wonder I can do 80 mph on the highway (only with strong tailwind). Speaking of which, the maximum highway mpg which I have gotten was about 70 mpg when riding to Indianapolis from St. Louis with a 30-40 mph tail wind. A couple days previous I had been riding east from Amarillo with the same wind and had to pull off the interstate because I had to lean the bike so much that when a truck passed I was naturally pulled into it. I stopped at a motel at 3 pm. Had enough of that stuff. Thanks for the clue on gerbils. Regards, Gordon Gordon A. Golder 1836 Cross Bend NE Grand Rapids, MI 49505 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:35:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Gordon Golder cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils 70 mpg????????? WOW what did ya do add a sail to that thing? ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Gordon Golder wrote: > At 05:08 PM 10/17/96 +0000, you wrote: > >No Gordon, ya got it backwards, 2 cyclinders 4 gerbils! > > > >Barre' > > > Barre' - Wow! No wonder I can do 80 mph on the highway (only with strong > tailwind). > Speaking of which, the maximum highway mpg which I have gotten was about 70 > mpg when riding to Indianapolis from St. Louis with a 30-40 mph tail wind. > A couple days previous I had been riding east from Amarillo with the same > wind and had to pull off the interstate because I had to lean the bike so > much that when a truck passed I was naturally pulled into it. I stopped at > a motel at 3 pm. Had enough of that stuff. > > Thanks for the clue on gerbils. Regards, Gordon > Gordon A. Golder > 1836 Cross Bend NE > Grand Rapids, MI 49505 > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:14:46 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gordon Golder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils Gordon Golder wrote: > I know I have to change four spark plugs, but I always thought the pc800 was just a two cylinder engine. > Have I been sleeping? The dual plug head allows for a more uniform burn in what is a rather large bore (compared to most 4 cylinder bikes). This also helps to insure that most of the fuel is burned during the power stroke. A single, centrally located plug is ideal, but is impractical with a SOHC engine. Perhaps this partly explains the excellent mileage for a 600 plus pound bike with a 60 horse engine. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:13:49, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winter Wear Wiring How about some comments about Electric Heated Gear as separate vest/chaps versus built(sewn) into the clothing. If money was not significantly different, since I have to buy winter riding gear anyway, how would you vote? Buy vest separately or buy a jacket with the electrics sewn into it?? Thanks for your comments. ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:39:40 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Winter Wear Wiring At 08:13 PM 10/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >How about some comments about Electric Heated Gear as separate >vest/chaps versus >built(sewn) into the clothing. > >If money was not significantly different, since I have to buy winter >riding gear anyway, how would you vote? Buy vest separately or buy >a jacket with the electrics sewn into it?? For me versatility is the name of the game, and the best way to get it is by buying separate. That way you don't need two of each and you save wear and tear on the electrics when not neded. YMMV. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: My new Corbin (a belated review) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (_PC800) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) A few weeks ago, I rode down to the Corbin factory to get my new seat. It was an uneventful ride -- no accidents or construction zones to give me an excuse to practice lane "sharing". I arrived just as they opened, and was introduced to Carlos (who would oversee the manufacure & customizing of my seat). We first tried a "stock" Corbin, which I found to be a bit too wide in the front for me to comfortably flat foot the PC (I have a 30" inseam). An hour later we tried it with my new "custom seat". That one needed a little shaving off the seat pan to fit over the bumps at the top of the left & right side panels. Once we had it fitted in place, I test sat again and we marked a few areas of foam to be shaved (mostly making the narrowest part of the seat even narrower). This time it felt better, so I test rode it for a few miles. It felt good -- firm but comfortable. When I got back, the passenger portion was ready. We bolted it on and added the drivers backrest. I found that it sloped away from me a little more than I liked, so we added a small wedge to the top/middle. Next I tried the passenger portion. It seemed comfortable to me, and as I rarely carry a passenger we left its ergonomics alone. Lastly we tried the various passenger backrests. The typical PC800 one (#PR) is several inches wider and 1-2 inched taller than my next choice (#128). It complemented the curves and shape of the seat, and looked great -- except from the back. Standing behind my PC, we could see the wide tupperware body surmounted by a wide backrest. It made the bike look FAT! (Well, it _is_ fat, but the #PR made it look fatter.) I decided to go with the narrower (sleeker?) #128. Next it was time to peruse the color and material samples. To match my "lusty bordello red" 1990 PC800, I chose black basketweave for the main seating areas, pigeon-grey for the side/back panels (the closest match to my grey dash pieces), and ninja-red for the welting (it's brighter than the candyapple bodywork, but the best choice among the available colors). A few hours later (after all the fabric was cut, sewn, and attached) I got to see the finished product. The two seats were bolted on and the backrests installed. I loved the new look, the colors were just right (well, the ninja-red was a little too red). Then came the real test: the ride home. The new seat feels more like you're sitting "in" it rather than "on" it. At first, the foam was so stiff that road-ripples and pot-holes kept trying to bounce me out of the seat (that went away after a few hundred miles -- the seat is still firm, but I'm no longer being bounced out of it). Although the seat was much firmer than the stock Honda, it felt more comfortable (and now feels even more so). Three weeks and about 600 miles later, I'm still very happy with my new Corbin. I'm glad I went to the factory for customizing -- I'm not sure I'd be quite as pleased with a "stock" Corbin. As soon as I finish up the curent roll of film, I'll upload some pix of my seat. -=Mike=- P.S. If any fellow PC800'ers in the SF Bay Area would like to test a Corbin seat before deciding to buy one, please email me and you can try mine. -- "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Honda/Kenwood radio! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (_PC800) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) I was at my local "dealer" (actually a discount parts & salvage shop), and some guy with a huge trailer full of bikes was picking up a rather sorry looking '89 PC800. I noticed that it had screwholes handlebar cover next to the clutch reservoir, and open (missing) speaker panels -- evidence of a now missing Hondaline radio? I asked the store manager if he knew what had happened to the radio, and he told me that they had it in a box in the back. We asked the store owner how much he'd was asking for the radio (just in case one of you would be interested). At first he seemed to think the radio was an $1100 option (I don't think so), but after a bit of calling around he became convinced that the original price was closer to $650 (I just checked the archives and find a price of $577). He said he'd be willing to sell it for $400.00 (although any prospective buyer might try negotiating that a bit). Anyway, if you're interested here's the contact information: Fremont Cycle Salvage & Accessories 37531 Dusterberry Way Fremont, CA 94536 (510) 796-3131 Tues-Fri 9-6, Sat 9-5, closed Sun & Mon Owner: Dave Manager: Scott (really nice guy) Mike. -- "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Oct 96 08:55:51 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: I finally have figured it out! Two cylinders...four cylinders...neither are correct! My shop manual says that my PC has six valves. At one intake and one exhaust valve per cylinder, that means that my PC has three cylinders. What about the four spark plugs? The one in back is a spare, and is screwed into the frame! I removed it, and the engine continued to run smoothly... Now everyone can go back to sleep! I knew that I'd figure it out, sooner or later! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:04:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: "Gary E. Klim" Cc: Gordon Golder , PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Gary E. Klim wrote: > mileage for a 600 plus pound bike with a 60 horse engine. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sounds pretty optimistic to me. Where did you get this figure? Eric York Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:15:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: fuels FOR GENERAL INFORMATION AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY ON PREMIUM FUEL FOR THE PC I RAN ACROSS THIS ON THE NET. PREMIUM GASOLINE can actually decrease engine performance. According to GM Research and Development Center, many premium gasolines are refined from lower volatility feedstocks. The average car can't vaporize these heavier grades of gas and will push the unburned gasoline into the exhaust - wasting it and increasing emissions. This leads to poor combustion, stalling, and hesitation. UNDER http://www.motorville.com/nutz.html#tips America's Automotive Newsletter Ride Safe, Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:27:12 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rllemke@accutek.com (RL Lemke) Subject: re: fuels The slower burning of premium gas is the point the higher octaine. At low altitudes, high tempratures (both air and engine) a slower combustion fuel allows all of the fuel to be burned. Incomplete combustion results in the damaging ping often heard in the super lean conditions and high tempratures of modern engines. The rule of thumb is: the lower the temprature and the higher the altitude, a lower octane rating is best. I on the other hand flog the hell out of my motorcycles at all altitudes therefore always burn high octane. In a car, I choose the octane rating based on the above as well as the load the engine will be under. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: Mike Bavister cc: _PC800 Subject: Re: Honda/Kenwood radio! Thanks Mike! I bought it!! Didn't feel like haggling since it's so hard to find those things anyway. Real nice guy like you said. I'm salivating, can't wait to put that radio in. Ever since I saw Phil Lewis' radio I've been scheming on how to put one on. Sorry, y'all. Beat you to the punch on this one. But he says he gets the PC's in every now and then because the plastic parts are so darn expensive replace, owners/insurance companies just opt to replace the bike after a crash. It's the 90's that usually have the radios in it. You could still call him now and then to check for varios parts. He also says he has some trunk lights. Man, I feel like a vulture hovering on dinner :P Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Mike Bavister wrote: > I was at my local "dealer" (actually a discount parts & salvage shop), and > some guy with a huge trailer full of bikes was picking up a rather sorry > looking '89 PC800. I noticed that it had screwholes handlebar cover next > to the clutch reservoir, and open (missing) speaker panels -- evidence of > a now missing Hondaline radio? > > I asked the store manager if he knew what had happened to the radio, and he > told me that they had it in a box in the back. We asked the store owner > how much he'd was asking for the radio (just in case one of you would be > interested). At first he seemed to think the radio was an $1100 option > (I don't think so), but after a bit of calling around he became convinced > that the original price was closer to $650 (I just checked the archives > and find a price of $577). He said he'd be willing to sell it for $400.00 > (although any prospective buyer might try negotiating that a bit). > > Anyway, if you're interested here's the contact information: > > > Fremont Cycle Salvage & Accessories > 37531 Dusterberry Way > Fremont, CA 94536 > > (510) 796-3131 > > Tues-Fri 9-6, Sat 9-5, closed Sun & Mon > > Owner: Dave > Manager: Scott (really nice guy) > > Mike. > -- > "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, > my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" > > Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) > redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) > mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'NVXL62A@prodigy.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Winter Wear Wiring Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:19:13 -0700 -----Original Message----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com [SMTP:NVXL62A@prodigy.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 1996 5:00 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winter Wear Wiring How about some comments about Electric Heated Gear as separate vest/chaps versus built(sewn) into the clothing. I have an Eclipse vest and chaps I use when things get cold here in Seattle. Actually cold AND wet is more like it. Use wise, I tend to use just the vest under my Aerostitch Roadcrafter. It adds enough heat for most riding in the 40-60 degrees F. If it's colder and/or I know I'm going on longer rides I'll wear the chaps too. I also have heated grips (a truly wonderful invention) and the "Heat-Troller" thermostat which is a much more efficient and controllable thermostat than the Eclipse model. I find on many rides that I remove the heated gear once the morning chill is out of the air come lunch time. Another bonus of separate gear IMHO. Functionally the chaps are very well designed and are a cinch to get on/off thanks to the Velcro panels. The chaps cover the front of the legs from hips to ankles and their are "wings" that extend at thigh and calf level that Velcro across the back of the leg. No elastic to bind, just generous and heated flaps that wrap around. If you see a pair I think you'll agree that they just plain look good. My vest with collar could use a little improvement. The corduroy collar sometimes irritates the skin on my neck, especially when it gets a little wet. I also wish the vest was a little longer in back for better coverage when I'm leaned over. Of course, I haven't seen the "perfect" vest yet so I have no other recommendation. One of my "to-do's" is to have a seamstress replace the corduroy fabric with polarfleece for comfort. I have broken and lost connectors before. Largely it was stupidity and carelessness. I carry spares now in the trunk when touring. I once went 2500 miles on a fall tour connected to my passenger's harness because I broke mine up front. Never again. All in all I'd have to say there have been several occasions I never could have kept riding without this gear. My lady friend on the back would certainly agree. More than once we've been touring through freezing temps and the gear was a true savior. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 0003A064; Fri, 18 Oct 96 11:40:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:35:24 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: fuels --IMA.Boundary.820466548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The lower octane fuels actually have more "power" in them. They burn faster and hit harder than the higher grade fuels which is why you will get pinging in older engines that have build up on them. The harder hit from the lower grade fuel causes the valves to hit the build up which is the pinging you hear. People start running a higher grade fuel to get rid of the pinging, but most don't know why it does that. The higher grade fuel burns slower and with less power so it doesn't cause the pinging. FWIW, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: fuels Author: "Waldo E. Meeks" at INTERNET Date: 10/18/96 10:15 AM FOR GENERAL INFORMATION AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY ON PREMIUM FUEL FOR THE PC I RAN ACROSS THIS ON THE NET. PREMIUM GASOLINE can actually decrease engine performance. According to GM Research and Development Center, many premium gasolines are refined from lower volatility feedstocks. The average car can't vaporize these heavier grades of gas and will push the unburned gasoline into the exhaust - wasting it and increasing emissions. This leads to poor combustion, stalling, and hesitation. UNDER http://www.motorville.com/nutz.html#tips America's Automotive Newsletter Ride Safe, Waldo --IMA.Boundary.820466548 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 00039664; Fri, 18 Oct 96 07:14:00 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.6/8.7.6) with ESMTP id HAA15842; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:20:23 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAF04198; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:14:28 -0500 (CDT) 18 Oct 1996 09:14:20 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04182 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:14:14 -0500 (CDT) SMTP; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:15:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: fuels --IMA.Boundary.820466548-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:01:56 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: fuels At 11:35 AM 10/18/96 -0700, you wrote: >Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > The lower octane fuels actually have more "power" in them. They burn > faster and hit harder than the higher grade fuels which is why you > will get pinging in older engines that have build up on them. The > harder hit from the lower grade fuel causes the valves to hit the > build up which is the pinging you hear. People start running a higher > grade fuel to get rid of the pinging, but most don't know why it does > that. The higher grade fuel burns slower and with less power so it > doesn't cause the pinging. Gasoline is gasoline, one grade of octane does not contain more energy per unit volume than another, thus, no more "power" than another. Pinging is what hear when the combustible mixture ignites into an uncontrolled explosion, caused (usually) by pre-ignition (before the plug fires). It is this uncontrolled explosion that really hammers the pistons and valves. High compression engines have a problem with pre-ignition, lower compression engines that have buildup in the combustion chambers also have higher compression than stock (the buildup taking up chamber volume). Higher octanes do burn slower (longer molecule chains which are harder to break up) and thus can prevent detonation. But unless you have buildup in the combustion chambers, or have a high compression engine, you'll be throwing you money away when you fill up with premium. YMMV Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:40:11 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gordon Golder Subject: helmet face shields Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:40:11 +0000 For a neophyte who has been riding for only 9 years, what kind of face shields do you attach to your helmets? The last trip I took I hit major rain, stopped of course. But, before I found a restaurant to stop at, the rain had really caused vision problems, gathering on the outside of the shield and even dripping onto the inside. Very unpleasant. I tried Rain-x on the shield, but it just clouded it. Wrong kind of plastic I guess. Now I'm in the market for a new shield for an open faced helmet. Suggestions? Gordon A. Golder 1836 Cross Bend NE Grand Rapids, MI 49505 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:50:35 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Gordon Golder CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: helmet face shields Gordon Golder wrote: > I tried Rain-x on the shield, but it just clouded it. Wrong kind of plastic > I guess. Now I'm in the market for a new shield for an open faced helmet. > Suggestions? Consider a full face helmet. Less wind noise, controlled venting, warmer in winter, *better protection*. Use Armor-All to treat face shield. Rain beads up better and the Armor-All will "remove" tiny scratches. I've had the same shield on my Arai Signet for 3 seasons now (the first two on unfaired bikes) and it's almost as new. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:49:35 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Eric York CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problems and gerbils Eric York wrote: > Sounds pretty optimistic to me. Where did you get this figure? The 60 HP figure was from one of 7 moto-rags I currently subscribe to. The problem here is one of memory and inertia. I don't recall in which magazine I saw the figure and inertia is preventing me from attempting to dig through them all to validate the number... Failing that, a 90 Hawk 650 GT I owned made about 45 HP in stock trim and about 55 HP with nothing more than a jet kit and a Two Brothers exhaust. So 60 HP from the PC is not an unreasonable figure for a bike that will do the 1/4 mile in the mid to upper "14's". gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: fuels From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Oct 1996 19:26:56 -0500 Lines: 9 >>>>> "WEM" == Waldo E Meeks writes: WEM> FOR GENERAL INFORMATION AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY ON WEM> PREMIUM FUEL FOR THE PC I RAN ACROSS THIS ON THE NET. Wow. It takes GM R&D to tell us what we've been saying here on the list all along. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:05:58 -0500 From: carol ann decelle-meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: helix web page does anyone know if the Honda Helix has a web page/site... if so what is the address Thank you... Rick 18 Oct 1996 23:00:45 -0500 (CDT) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA09035 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:55:34 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:55:34 -0700 From: greg501@ix.netcom.com (Greg Chambers ) Subject: Newcomer to the list...and riding To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello, everyone! With apologies in advance for the long post, I would like to introduce myself and ask for some friendly advice from those who know MUCH more than I. My name is Greg Chambers, and I don't own a PC800...yet. After very little riding 25 years ago on 125's and such, I now think I would like to start touring, weekend style. Living in Los Angeles, my main objective would be to get out of town early on a Saturday before the freeways get screwy, and ride up the coast or into the mountains or the central valley or wherever. My wife thinks this is the worst manifestation of mid-life crisis she can imagine (I'm 46), but I hope to win her over eventually. In the meantime, I'll be riding alone. I've been thinking about this for a couple of months. My plan is to take the MSF rider course, then buy a used PC800. I was thinking Gold Wing until a couple of weeks ago, when I decided they are just TOO BIG for a newcomer (and too expensive!). Having exhausted my knowledge of riding with the above comments, may I humbly ask for some helpful hints on getting started? 1. I'm 6' and weigh just over 200, and my wife is about 150. I'm very safety conscious, and am not looking for a "crotch rocket", but will a PC800 take us up the mountains at freeway speeds (assuming I can get her on it)? 2. I'm probably interested in a 94 or so with low milage, but are there advantages/disadvantages of any given year? 3. Recognizing that you may not be a totally objective audience, are there any other bikes in the "class" of the PC800, i.e. light to moderate touring? I haven't seen anything close, but I haven't shopped a lot. Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to offer. I'll try to return the favor after I actually get my PC800 and have something relevant to say!!! Greg Chambers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:19:15 -0700 To: Greg Chambers Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newcomer to the list...and riding Hi Greg!!! Sounds like a plan to me. I took the MSF course about 6 months ago. I am very pleased with everything I learned. I would reccomend the course to anyone. I bought a '89 PC with 17,000 mi (I know you are saying*&^*&!!8-)) for $2400 bucks. I have been riding all over the SF bay area and along hwy 1 with a big smile on my face. The PC is a great bike, and forgiving if you make mistakes. I find it to be a steady chariot and downright sporty. I ride with a couple of guys who ride Kawasaki Concours, I had no problems keeping up with them. I noticed that they had trouble with vibration through their handgrips...the pc is vibration free!!. oh yeah, I am 6'2" 220lbs. (the bike is a blast!) GO FOR IT!! chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 21:59:07 +0900 To: "carol ann decelle-meek" , "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re: air horns Content-Id: <110_70_1_845690347> Carol: I had air horns on my Honda CM450E for about 5 years. I finally took them off because they were unreliable in the rain (I live in the Pacific North-WET). This might not be as much of a problem on a bike like the PC which could protect the pump and horns under the fairing. I also didn't like the fact that the air horns took a fraction of a second to "spin-up" (if you will) before they made noise. I currently have some 110 decibel horns, and J.C. Whitney has some in their motorcycle catalog that are 125 db for about $90. Horns should be loud. (And your boots should make a lot of noise on the cager's door when you are "sharing" a lane with them in case they can't hear your horn.) //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // 96 Pacific Coast in Seattle, WA // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 02:01:44 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800 Subject: Re: Newcomer to the list...and riding From: "Donald R. Hamilton" hey greg... i can't give you any advice on the pc800 in particular...cause i'm just a lurker here...but i can sure identify with the midlife urge to get out and ride. i was 45 five yrs ago when a friend got me back into motorcycling. all i had ever ridden was a little honda trail 90 i had back in '66. i got back into it by taking the beginner msf course...extremely worthwhile...and bot myself an '82 honda ft500 ascot...a thumper which was a blast to ride. i've had a couple bikes since then...and have taken the msf erc a couple times along with reg pridmore's class (what fun!). be warned however...you may get really hooked! in which case you'll be pretty disappointed if your better half doesn't learn to share your enthusiasm. why don't you talk her into taking the msf course with you? get her involved from the very start. then maybe you can buy a pair of pc's! good luck! Donald R. Hamilton vfrlvr@iwaynet.net > Hello, everyone! > > With apologies in advance for the long post, I would like to > introduce > myself and ask for some friendly advice from those who know > MUCH more > than I. My name is Greg Chambers, and I don't own a > PC800...yet. > After very little riding 25 years ago on 125's and such, I now > think I > would like to start touring, weekend style. Living in Los > Angeles, my > main objective would be to get out of town early on a Saturday > before > the freeways get screwy, and ride up the coast or into the > mountains or > the central valley or wherever. My wife thinks this is the > worst > manifestation of mid-life crisis she can imagine (I'm 46), but > I hope > to win her over eventually. In the meantime, I'll be riding > alone. > > I've been thinking about this for a couple of months. My plan > is to > take the MSF rider course, then buy a used PC800. I was > thinking Gold > Wing until a couple of weeks ago, when I decided they are just > TOO BIG > for a newcomer (and too expensive!). > > Having exhausted my knowledge of riding with the above > comments, may I > humbly ask for some helpful hints on getting started? > > 1. I'm 6' and weigh just over 200, and my wife is about 150. > I'm very > safety conscious, and am not looking for a "crotch rocket", > but will a > PC800 take us up the mountains at freeway speeds (assuming I > can get > her on it)? > > 2. I'm probably interested in a 94 or so with low milage, but > are > there advantages/disadvantages of any given year? > > 3. Recognizing that you may not be a totally objective > audience, are > there any other bikes in the "class" of the PC800, i.e. light > to > moderate touring? I haven't seen anything close, but I > haven't shopped > a lot. > > Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to offer. > I'll try > to return the favor after I actually get my PC800 and have > something > relevant to say!!! > > Greg Chambers > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the > body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 23:24:44 +0900 To: greg501@ix.netcom.com, "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re: Newcomer to the list...and riding Content-Id: <110_70_1_845695484> Greg: Concerning the PC Power (not to be confused with the Power PC), you should have no problems two up. We have a VERY steep hill where I live, such that trucks always take it in first gear and cars need to get a run at it to maintain speed. Last weekend I passed three cars and a dump truck in only a few seconds with a starting speed of only 5mph or so. This was with my wife on the back and about another 20 lbs. in the trunk. I accelerated to Highway speeds. The PC is not lacking in this area at all. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 07:44:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winter Wear Wiring Hi Gordon: I'd get the separate vest. More versatility. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:15:32, -0500 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winter Wear Wiring Thanks for the input JT. Getting the separate vest is definitely the consensus, but aside from the wear and tear of wearing a wired suit which you may not need to always have plugged in for heat, : wouldn't you consider buying a combo Gerbing like outfit? thanks for your help. >Hi Gordon: I>'d get the separate vest. More versatility. >JT ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:27:52, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com Subject: Re[2]: Winter Wear Wiring Hi Wanda, Gerbing now makes a heavy weight Aeorstich/Motoport year round (1300 denier) type suit with wiring built in. Does that make a difference in your opinion. I will be doing cross country travel and want to keep my selection of suitable gear to a bare minimum. Thanks for your help. >My leathers fit fine over them and I still have the needed protection. > I have a 1 piece rainsuit for the rain. You never know when you'll need it. > The Gerbing already sewn in stuff isn't "skid proof" but it is water > resistant. I believe it is water proof except for the seams. > Wanda Bailie ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 08:46:49 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Greg Chambers CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Newcomer to the list...and riding Greg Chambers wrote: > After very little riding 25 years ago on 125's and such, I now think I > would like to start touring, weekend style... My wife thinks this is the worst > manifestation of mid-life crisis she can imagine (I'm 46), but I hope > to win her over eventually. I can't imagine what form a mid-life crisis (I'm 40) would take if and when I should have one. Maybe a turbo kit for the PC, bore it out to a liter, and a squirt of nitrous just to make it interesting... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 09:45:26 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC For Sale on Flamewreck.motorcycles Saw this in flamewreck.motocycles: Subject: Honda Pacific Coast for Sale Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:29:04 -0400 From: Randdo Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Motorcycle for sale 1995 Honda Pacific Coast - Mint Condition 2000 mi. Bought in Feb.'96 $6000 Please respond by email if interested -- ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:49:28 +0200 (MET DST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: New design Netherlands page To all Due to the questionair that I did send to all of you, and the statistics of our page provided by my Dutch provider, I decided that the frames version will be part of our page. The statistics show that last weeks the frames version were more accessed than the non frames version. Both versions look identical, and have been redesigned, but the frames version has the advantage that the menu stays visible at the left hand site. People do like Frames more!, but I do not forget the people that don't like frames. There has been updates on all of the pages. The textversion is still under heavy construction by a friend of my. So go and have a look, and let me know if I did make the right changes. The pages have been tested, but if you find any thing that does'nt work please let me know. If you like to contribute to our page let me know as well. The URL has not changed and is still: http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm best regards Gerard Diepeveen, Pacific Coast Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: My new Corbin (a belated review) To: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (_PC800) From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) > Mike, I'm real curious - is the new Corbin lower? I would like to add about 2 > inches or so to my windshield. Am I correct in thinking that the new seat > might accomplish that? Bart, Yes, it is lower -- Corbin claims that it's 1.5" lower than the Honda. I have a tall Hondaline shield (tha famous dash-melter) that was cut down several inches by the previous owner. The wind at freeway speeds used to hit me just above eye level -- making it difficult to keep my helmet faceshield open. The new Corbin has effectively raised the windshield at least an inch. Now, the wind hits the top of the helmet and the face shield stays where I like it. I'd suggest that if you're contemplating a new seat anyway (and there's nothing wrong with your current windshield), try the Corbin first. If that doesn't fix your problem, then give Rifle a call. Mike. -- "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:27:55 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: Death/Resurrection See PC's Dead...previous post. PC's back & alive...... Had a long talk with the company's senior tech. He explained to me that if one sees any fluctuation in the tachometer reading, without engine speed changes, one should have their r/r checked out ASAP..... Seems the PC has a 3 phase alternator, and a failure of the rectifier will allow intermittent, or constant Alternating current into the DC system,,,,,,, wreaking the aforementioned havoc. Other symptoms are failing bulbs in the dash or elsewhere, high beam failure, screwy indicator lights...... Sometimes there is an intermittent short in the stator which precipitates the aforementioned..... The electronics used in the PC require constant voltage, hate voltage spikes and high resistance brownouts... all connections should be kept clean, tight, and sealed/dry. All electrical work should be performed with the key off, disconnect the negative battery terminal... complete your alterations, & reconnect the negative terminal L A S T. Use solder and shrink tubing whenever possible...... >From the FWIW Department, div DILLIGAF. ;} Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:10:11 -0400 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: PC ' Trunk lid ' for sale There's a 'trunk lid' for sale in Oakland Maine..... {The tupperware below the seat, but above the grey.....} off a 95, "arrest me" red........ small gouge on panel 1.5" long, <1/8" thich, through the color...... replaced off new bike, on gereral principal. Easily covvered/repaired, IMHO With decals installed MSRP = $480 Will ship @ $250US 207.465.3710 ask for Duane Thought someone might like to know....... Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Gordon Gazaway To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: A new rider joins the pack. Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:36:18 -0700 Hello, My name is Gordon Gazaway and I am the proud new owner of a '90 Bright Red bike. I purchased it about 6 weeks ago and have been in riding heaven ever since. I live in the beautiful Pacific NW in Redmond, WA and can be reached at either gordong@microsoft.com or gordon_ms@msn.com. I purchased by bike from a fellow employee who has kept the bike in immaculate stock condition and had rolled up a grand total of 6600 miles. I have since moved that to 7800 miles and am looking forward to many more. This is only my second bike and is a BIG change form the '82 CM250 I bought to ride back and forth to work. I am planning on adding a new windshield and possibly a new seat over the winter months in preparation for some serious riding in the spring and summer. I have been reviewing the archival messages about these items and look forward to additional feedback and assistance from this group in the future. gdg -)------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:06:02 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bob and Grace CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC For Sale on Flamewreck.motorcycles Bob and Grace wrote: > > what part of the country is this in ... do you know ... i was thinking about > waiting til march to get a bike ... but this could be a good deal .... thanks After doing a bit of research using the Four-11 search engine, I found that abner@widomaker.com is located in Yorktown, Virginia. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the occasional cricket that won't stay in the garage. Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:12:59 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Considering Purchase of PC800 I would welcome feedback. I'm strongly considering re-entry into motorcycling. I owned a Yamaha-250 for several years thirty years ago, and have not been on a bike since. The strongest candidate at the moment is a PC800. An hour ago I discovered the pc800 mailing list. I was amazed to find that Greg Chambers, just yesterday, posted almost the same note that I was prepared to write. I little background: I'm age 66, 180lb, 5'10". Til a year ago, for five years, I got out of bed at 4:30-5:00am practically every morning throughout the year to row an open-water singe-scull for 1.5 hrs on SF Bay. For six months each summer I competed in monthly ocean and Bay distance single-scull racing. (My first race was Santa Cruz to Monterey ... second place, without age correction, by 15 seconds in 4-hour race). I'm taking my motorcycle written test next week and commencing beginner's motorcycle training in a couple of weeks. I'm anticipating commuting 6 miles to work, riding 1-3 hours a couple of weekends a month in the SF Peninsula hills, and, several times a year, riding to distinations 100-200 miles away for a long weekend. My recent knowledge is via reading, magazines and Web. I believe that I want ... * to be out of the wind * sit upright * excellent handling * capacity, on occasion, to have my wife behind me, but like Greg, expect that this will be rare * comfort when riding max 8 hours for few days in row * experience to determine whether to move to 1100cc in Honda or BMW in a year, or stick with PC800 Comments/advice invited. Thanks! - Sid Name: Sid Liebes Location: San Francisco Peninsula Email: liebes@hpl.hp.com PC Model year (if you have one): --- Bought Used/New: Plan either new or recent used) Modifications made to bike: Perhaps taller windshield? (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:00:42 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:00:42 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Grand Prix Races! So maybe you HEARD it here first, eh? Just finished watching our 5 hours of free tv coverage of the GP races at Eastern Creek.....some show or what! I wonder if it is shown at all, live or short delay,(after all, it IS 2am for most of you guys!) Certainly NOT for free, I'm sure of that...but I wonder if even the pay channels do this stuff for you guys? It/they was certainly a spectacular day....starting off SO well, with young Aussie Gary McCoy winning the 125cc race in an unbelievably hard fought race. Biaggi took the 250 race and title......and just in case some of you have taped this.....I won't let the 500 cc "cat out of the bag"......except to say that once again it was a Doohan/ Creville absolute DogFight, .....and you will have to watch it to see the SPECTACULAR finale! I guess it was what we could have predicted from watching the past 10 races or so for these guys....we are all wondering who is on whose Xmas card list! Regards, Ron Grant. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Oct 96 07:22:23 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: John Castagna , HSTA Commands , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Dave May - Georgia HSTA member I received the following message from former Georgia state director Steve Rodnon, which I am passing on FYI. Drop Dave a card or call him; I know that he'd appreciate it! Dave is a retired commercial airplines pilot... Dana > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 15:07:17 -0400 > To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> > From: Steve Rodnon > Subject: Re: More funny stuff... > > Dana: > Some bad news. Dave May had an off road excursion on his Moto Guzzi last > Wednesday. He has a broken ankle and some bruises. I do believe the Guzzi > is headed for the parts bin. I am sure he would like to hear from anyone, > since he is house bound at this time. Cards and letters would be appreciated. > Please pass this along in your next E mail session. > > Thanks > Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 07:45:51 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newcomer to the list...and riding Welcome back, "newcomer." I have a few comments to add to the groups' responses: Firstly, in a message dated 96-10-19 02:01:18 EDT, Donald writes: << . why don't you talk her into taking the msf course with you? get her involved from the very start. then maybe you can buy a pair of pc's! >> I agree with Donald that getting your wife involved might be a good way to overcome her anxiety over your getting back into motorcycling. And the MSF courses are a great way to get started or restarted in motorcycling and a great "tune up" for those who are already riders. But I'm not sure having your spouse take the MSF course with you is a good idea. It might be a good idea if she has a personal desire to attend. But after years of seeing people come through the course who really don't want to be there, those who are doing it simply to please someone else, I would strongly advise against putting any pressure on anyone to take the course (or to ride as a passenger) unless they want to do so for reasons of their own. People can and do get hurt during the MSF course, and those who don't want to be there seem to be highly represented in the number who do. Another word of advice regarding spouses/relatives/etc taking the MSF course: Assuming that your wife wants to take the course, it isn't a good idea for you both to take the same session of the course. When related persons are in the same session, there is always greater pressure and anxiety, especially for those who have never ridden before and want to do well "for their spouse/dad/mom/etc." This causes performance to suffer, learning to be impeded, and the risk of injury to increase. Everyone does better and gets more out of the course if they are among strangers. As far as other bikes in the same "class" as the PC, I think that some BMWs come close (the K75 and the boxers), but they are generally more expensive and in my experience less satisfying overall. The PC will meet your needs quite well, but what ever you choose, enjoy the ride. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:48:10 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ron Grant CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Grand Prix Races! Ron Grant wrote: > ......and just in case some of you have taped this.....I > won't let the 500 cc "cat out of the bag"......except to say that once again > it was a Doohan/ Creville absolute DogFight... I just visited the FIM/DORNA homepage and the lap chart says it all. I don't want to wait the 2 weeks to see the tape delayed race. What happened on the last lap? gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and over 6" of rain last night... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 20 Oct 1996 12:19:52 -0500 (CDT) rt98-0.Rotterdam.NL.net [193.79.240.195] with SMTP for id TAA21828 (8.7.6/3.0); Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:14:47 +0200 (MET DST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:14:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Server OK To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To all To day there has been a problem with the server of NLnet (my provider) so for a period (how long I don't know) you could not reach our page due to problems of the server but as far as I know everything seems to be OK now. see you at: http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm (hope server stays up) MAY THE PACIFIC COAST BE WITH YOU Gerard Diepeveen, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Bill McKenna Cc: pc800 newsletter Subject: Re: Death/Resurrection On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Bill McKenna wrote: > See PC's Dead...previous post. > > > PC's back & alive...... > > Had a long talk with the company's senior tech. He explained to me that > if one sees any fluctuation in the tachometer reading, without engine > speed changes, one should have their r/r checked out ASAP..... O.K., Bill, I give up! What is an "r/r"? - "right rear?" "rest and recreation"? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Sid Liebes Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Considering Purchase of PC800 Sid, Unless you have verrrry long arms, you cannot sit upright on a PC. It is the one fault I have with the bike. (I'm 5'9") It does meet all of your other criteria. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:02:49 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Richard A. Hardy" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Death/Resurrection Richard A. Hardy wrote: > What is an "r/r"? - "right rear?" "rest and recreation"? Rectfier / Regulator... ...Part of the "3 R's", the 3rd being "Replace"... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:31:16 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Richard A. Hardy" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Considering Purchase of PC800 Richard A. Hardy wrote: > Unless you have verrrry long arms, you cannot sit upright on a PC. It is > the one fault I have with the bike. (I'm 5'9") Score another one for us short guys! I'm 5'7" and do indeed sit very close to upright. My reach is 27" from armpit to end of middle finger, FWIW. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:47:16 -0400 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wind Noise: A Question You wrote .. "My question is, why is the wind roar so much more noticeable than when wearing an open face helmet? (Shoei RJV 101)... What I've noticed is not that it is LOUDER but the sound seems to be in a different octive, a different frequency, if you will. I think the wind bounces around underneath the lower edge of the helemt which creates turbulance. That's my idea. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:25:32 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: "Gary E. Klim" Cc: Ron Grant , PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Grand Prix Races! > 500cc GRAND PRIX: 1. Loris Capirossi (Yam); 2. Tadayuki Okada (Hon); 3. Carlos Checa (Hon); 4. Alex Barros (Hon); 5. Jean-Michel Bayle (Yam); 6. Alex > Criville (Hon); 7. Luca Cadalora (Hon); 8. Mick Doohan (Hon)*; 9. Shinichi Itoh (Hon); 10. Peter Goddard (Suz); 11. Kenny Roberts, Jr. (Yam); 12. Lucio > Pedercini (Yam); 13. Frederic Protat (Yam); 14. Andrew Stroud (Yam); 15. Toshi Arakaki (Pat). > > NOTES: While battling for the lead, Criville ran into Doohan's rear wheel on the last corner of the last lap, taking both riders down. Both remounted > and finshed. Ref: www.cyclenews.com Roger > I just visited the FIM/DORNA homepage and the lap chart says it all. I don't want to wait the 2 weeks to see > the tape delayed race. What happened on the last lap? > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Sun, 20 Oct 96 22:22:18 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re: Considering Purchase of PC800 Content-Id: <18_73_1_845864538> I'm 5'10" and I can't sit up straight (unless I scoot up in the seat a little bit). I agree that this is one area of the PC that could be changed. The reach to the handlebars is a little long. The reach to the ground is flat footed for me (I wear boots) and I can easily roll the bike backwards while sitting on it (for base of comparison). I am getting used to the l-o-n-g reach to the handlebars. (I'd better get used to it at 100 miles per day.) //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 96 18:31:16 -0400 > From: "Gary E. Klim" > To: "Richard A. Hardy" > Cc: "PC-800 E-Mail Group" > Subject: Re: Considering Purchase of PC800 > > Richard A. Hardy wrote: > > > Unless you have verrrry long arms, you cannot sit upright on a PC. It is > > the one fault I have with the bike. (I'm 5'9") > > Score another one for us short guys! I'm 5'7" and do indeed sit very close to upright. My reach is 27" from > armpit to end of middle finger, FWIW. > gk > ________________________________________________________________________ > '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut > ________________________________________________________________________ > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:03:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Grand Prix Races! Hey, thanks a lot guys! Some of us were going to wait and see the race to find out the outcome. I'll still watch the race, but knowing the outcome will diminish the experience a bit. Maybe next time you could keep these revelations in a direct channel? :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 06:51:03 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@azstarnet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) I'm trying to reach Bob Clancy, and have lost his address. Any help appreciated. Ed Johnson edjohns@azstarnet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: Almost a pc800 owner Nick Witzell Falnouth, MA nick@boreas.whoi.edu Plan to pick up a 95 pc800, black, 1200 miles, showroom condition Installed options, Honda tall screen and backrest. Now if it will stop raining. Presently the owner of a Honda 96 cb 750 which I plan to keep. Nick ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:52:23 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC motor type >>that means that my PC has three cylinders.<< No, no, no! It's actually a V-8, with two cylinders sharing a spark plug 'a la' the Puch/Allstate "twingles" of the '60's. That's why they run so smooth. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:09:35 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: helmet face shields I have a BMW (flip-up chin bar) helmet with the stock shield. In rain, it has to stay cracked open a little, to minimize fogging. Ever so often I stick my head out into the breeze to blow off the little droplets that collect on the outside of the shield. Under bad conditions (prolonged rain) I have had to keep a little paper towel on the dashboard and (awkwardly) stick my hand up under the shield and wipe off the inside. What kind of helmet do you have? Open face with a non-flip-up shield? Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:29:21 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>I'm trying to reach Bob Clancy, and have lost his address. >>Any help appreciated. >>Ed Johnson I e-mailed Ed. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:34:44 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hot Rod Puchs No, no, no! It's actually a V-8, with two cylinders sharing a spark plug 'a la' the Puch/Allstate "twingles" of the '60's. That's why they run so smooth. My Puch has a V-8? Mike Larson milar@msn.com -- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:05:20 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: PC products] Errors-To: jlai@filenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 11:53:24 -0700 From: jlai@filenet.com (Johan Lai) To: ericeric@cris.com Subject: PC products Hi All, It's official! As the old cliche goes, it's in the mail! Just came back from the post office. I was rather surprised at how few people were standing in line! The wind probably had something to do with it. Here in So. Cal we're getting the annual Santa Ana winds that makes Twister look like a Chiwawa's sneeze (no, not really :). But I lost a small bush in front of my house :( I'm no green thumb so wish me luck in replacing it. Anyways, it's been fun! This will be my final broadcast unless you like your stuff so much you want more :) I'll still talk w/ you indivually if you need anything but this private mailing list will go away for now. The embroidery would like to thank you for your business and want to let you know they do a lot of other stuff beside emboidering motorcycles :) Cheers, Johan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 16:09:43 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New to Us PC800 Name: Mark Skrocki & Sandra Skrocki Location: Shaker Hts, OH 44120 Email: mskrocki@meldrum.com PC Model year: 1989 Bought used 10/10/96 modifications made to bike: tall honda windshield my wife and i both ride the bike and have managed to get in a few decent rides since we picked it up. we're interested in getting together with other pc800 owners in our area (northeast ohio) to share the fun of riding. thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:02:34 Subject: Re: fuels From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) WOW Juan, for a guy who knows FISH, you sure as hell know alot about gas.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:44:58 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner Welcome Nick: Go ahead and ride the PC in the rain (quickly, before it snows). It cleans up pretty easily. A word of caution about the tall Hondaline windscreen. If the bright sun (you know, the big white ball that appears in the daytime sky certain times of the year) shines on it at certain angles (generally from the rear aspect some have determined) it tends to reflect and concentrate the heat like a lens. This can melt the plastic cowling and dashboard pieces and leave a big mess. Others have reported success by painting the edge of the shield, and still others report that installing the SAENG Stealth Edging has cured the problem. I have not personally tried either as yet. We get around this by covering our PCs whenever we park them. Good luck and enjoy the PC; it's a great bike. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner On Tue, 22 Oct 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Welcome Nick: > > Go ahead and ride the PC in the rain (quickly, before it snows). It cleans > up pretty easily. > > A word of caution about the tall Hondaline windscreen. If the bright sun > (you know, the big white ball that appears in the daytime sky certain times > of the year) shines on it at certain angles (generally from the rear aspect > some have determined) it tends to reflect and concentrate the heat like a > lens. This can melt the plastic cowling and dashboard pieces and leave a big > mess. Others have reported success by painting the edge of the shield, and > still others report that installing the SAENG Stealth Edging has cured the > problem. I have not personally tried either as yet. We get around this by > covering our PCs whenever we park them. > > Good luck and enjoy the PC; it's a great bike. > > JT Not necessary covering the whole bike, but a T-shirt over the windscreen will do. Unless, of course, you're one of those who carries Q-tips around detailing your PC after each ride, then go ahead and cover the whole bike :) Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:09:48 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Johan Lai CC: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner Johan Lai wrote: >... Unless, of course, you're one of those who carries Q-tips > around detailing your PC after each ride, then go ahead and cover the > whole bike :) > > Johan Lai I know that was aimed at me. I'll get you for this Johann. ;) E ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:50:25 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner In a message dated 96-10-22 09:05:37 EDT, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes: << Subj: Re: PC800: Almost a pc800 owner Date: 96-10-22 09:05:37 EDT From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Welcome Nick: Go ahead and ride the PC in the rain (quickly, before it snows). It cleans up pretty easily. A word of caution about the tall Hondaline windscreen. If the bright sun (you know, the big white ball that appears in the daytime sky certain times of the year) shines on it at certain angles (generally from the rear aspect some have determined) it tends to reflect and concentrate the heat like a lens. This can melt the plastic cowling and dashboard pieces and leave a big mess. Others have reported success by painting the edge of the shield, and still others report that installing the SAENG Stealth Edging has cured the problem. I have not personally tried either as yet. We get around this by covering our PCs whenever we park them. Good luck and enjoy the PC; it's a great bike. JT >> I can verify the lens effect. I got to witness it one day actually in the process. A very tight beam (about 1/32 to 1/16 of an inch in diameter) was being focused on to the left side of my dash just above my stereo speaker. The sun was about 20 degrees from vertical to the aft of the windshield. I have now thwarted the burning problem by parking toward the sun, if the bike is not going to be parked long enough for the relative position to change to the rear. Of course, one could always just cover up the dash or the windshield, but what's the challenge in that!!! ? :-) (Just kidding, a really simply solution is a "T" shirt or something similar placed over the windshield while parked.) Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:50:30 -0400 To: ericeric@concentric.net, jlai@filenet.com cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner In a message dated 96-10-22 11:09:41 EDT, ericeric@concentric.net (ERIC MATTHEWS) writes: << Johan Lai wrote: >... Unless, of course, you're one of those who carries Q-tips > around detailing your PC after each ride, then go ahead and cover the > whole bike :) > > Johan Lai I know that was aimed at me. I'll get you for this Johann. ;) E >> Yes, but your bike looks really great, so don't stop bringing along those "Q" tips!! ;-) Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: Mobile One Any thoughts on using Mobil One oil in the pc? thanks, Nick ps The archives are too big for my news reader, or I might have searched there for previous info. The HD group has had a thread on it, and in that dry clutch machine, it gets a thumbs up. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:10:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Nick Witzell CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Mobile One Nick Witzell wrote: > > The archives are too big for my news reader, or I > might have searched there for previous info. The entire body of knowledge and wisdom from this list can be accessed from the PC-800 homepage. There is even a search engine. Or you can save it to your HDD as a *.txt file and search offline with the editor of your choice. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I don't rake leaves...I MULCH! Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Nick Witzell Cc: PC800 Subject: Re: Mobile One From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 22 Oct 1996 19:21:23 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "NW" == Nick Witzell writes: NW> Any thoughts on using Mobil One oil in the pc? Yes, plenty of us. NW> The archives are too big for my news reader, or I might have searched NW> there for previous info. Why not use the search engine? Only a web browser required. http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800. This is the page mentioned in the introductory document. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 19:53:14 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re:helmet face shields: Get Fog-City Content-Id: <24_70_1_845941994> I used to keep my face helmet open just a crack for the anti-fog effect. However, I really hated the water drps that would drip off of my nose due to this practice. I now use a FOG-CITY stick on visor liner and it works really well. I now keep my face shield closed and my face dry. The only problem with the FOG-CITY device is that is can casue some reflections. In my case the reflections occur far above the horizon and I really don't even notice. Fog City costs about $10. It just sort of sticks onto the inside of your face shield. The instructions say it is not recommended for Shoei face-shields. I have been using it on my Shoei X9 without problem so far. (Only about 4-5 weeks.) It may not stick as well to the Shoei shields. I am not certain why that warning is on the packaging. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // From the Pacific North WET (Seattle area) // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:09:35 -0600 > From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: helmet face shields > > I have a BMW (flip-up chin bar) helmet with the stock shield. > In rain, it has to stay cracked open a little, to minimize > fogging. Ever so often I stick my head out into the breeze > to blow off the little droplets that collect on the outside > of the shield. Under bad conditions (prolonged rain) I have had to > keep a little paper towel on the dashboard and (awkwardly) stick > my hand up under the shield and wipe off the inside. > > What kind of helmet do you have? Open face with a non-flip-up > shield? > > Bob C. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 19:53:14 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re:helmet face shields: Get Fog-City Content-Id: <24_70_1_845941994> I used to keep my face helmet open just a crack for the anti-fog effect. However, I really hated the water drps that would drip off of my nose due to this practice. I now use a FOG-CITY stick on visor liner and it works really well. I now keep my face shield closed and my face dry. The only problem with the FOG-CITY device is that is can casue some reflections. In my case the reflections occur far above the horizon and I really don't even notice. Fog City costs about $10. It just sort of sticks onto the inside of your face shield. The instructions say it is not recommended for Shoei face-shields. I have been using it on my Shoei X9 without problem so far. (Only about 4-5 weeks.) It may not stick as well to the Shoei shields. I am not certain why that warning is on the packaging. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // From the Pacific North WET (Seattle area) // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:09:35 -0600 > From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: helmet face shields > > I have a BMW (flip-up chin bar) helmet with the stock shield. > In rain, it has to stay cracked open a little, to minimize > fogging. Ever so often I stick my head out into the breeze > to blow off the little droplets that collect on the outside > of the shield. Under bad conditions (prolonged rain) I have had to > keep a little paper towel on the dashboard and (awkwardly) stick > my hand up under the shield and wipe off the inside. > > What kind of helmet do you have? Open face with a non-flip-up > shield? > > Bob C. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 19:53:14 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re:helmet face shields: Get Fog-City Content-Id: <24_70_1_845941994> I used to keep my face helmet open just a crack for the anti-fog effect. However, I really hated the water drps that would drip off of my nose due to this practice. I now use a FOG-CITY stick on visor liner and it works really well. I now keep my face shield closed and my face dry. The only problem with the FOG-CITY device is that is can casue some reflections. In my case the reflections occur far above the horizon and I really don't even notice. Fog City costs about $10. It just sort of sticks onto the inside of your face shield. The instructions say it is not recommended for Shoei face-shields. I have been using it on my Shoei X9 without problem so far. (Only about 4-5 weeks.) It may not stick as well to the Shoei shields. I am not certain why that warning is on the packaging. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // From the Pacific North WET (Seattle area) // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:09:35 -0600 > From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: helmet face shields > > I have a BMW (flip-up chin bar) helmet with the stock shield. > In rain, it has to stay cracked open a little, to minimize > fogging. Ever so often I stick my head out into the breeze > to blow off the little droplets that collect on the outside > of the shield. Under bad conditions (prolonged rain) I have had to > keep a little paper towel on the dashboard and (awkwardly) stick > my hand up under the shield and wipe off the inside. > > What kind of helmet do you have? Open face with a non-flip-up > shield? > > Bob C. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 20:22:34 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Sorry about that..... Content-Id: <55_74_1_846030154> My mailer kept bouncing my mail last night so I resent it again tonight. Twice last night and once tonight added up to three times. I had no idea the bounced mails were getting queued somewhere. My apologies for the triple mail. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! PS. My sextuple apologies to you Dana. You only need to read one of each... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: Nick Witzell , PC800 Subject: Re: Mobile One From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 22 Oct 1996 23:26:04 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> Yes, plenty of us. Duh, I intended to also type: I can't recall any complaints, and many riders (of all different kinds of bikes) recommend it. I also found a whole pile of interesting messages in the archives by searching for Mobil. Try it out. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 01:18:59 -0400 To: txh2506@texcom-hood.army.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Almost a pc800 owner In a message dated 96-10-22 14:56:45 EDT, txh2506@texcom-hood.army.mil (SCHULTE: DANIEL) writes: << Subj: Re: PC800: Almost a pc800 owner Date: 96-10-22 14:56:45 EDT From: txh2506@texcom-hood.army.mil (SCHULTE: DANIEL) Reply-to: txh2506@texcom-hood.army.mil To: pilewis@aol.com Form: Reply Use OEM Field: true Text: (10 lines follow) Hello Phil, I am a new PC800 owner, just turned 100 miles. I have a deep interest in putting a stereo onboard my PC. I have read much about the $1000.00 unit and its bad quality. Can you tell about your system; the cost the quality and other units if available. Thank You, Elliott Daniel Schulte Use Proportional Font: true Previous From: PILEWIS @ SMTP {PILEWIS@aol.com} Previous To: JTSMCRID @ SMTP {JTSMCRIDER@aol.com}, PC800 @ SMTP {pc800@hpc.uh.edu} Original to: JTSMCRID @ SMTP {JTSMCRIDER@aol.com}, PC800 @ SMTP {pc800@hpc.uh.edu} >> Hi There! There's not too much that I can tell you about the stereo system, except that they aren't being made anymore. I bought my bike used, about 1 year and a half ago. The previous owner installed the factory Kenwood stereo. The invoice that I have (he kept all of the original paperwork, right down to the oil changes) shows the original cost at about $550, when he had it installed in 1992. It's a '90 model PC. The Kenwood works very well, and mine works better than most in that he upgraded the speakers, and installed a kenwood 10 disk cd-changer with remote control. The control for the Kenwood radio mounts next to the clutch reservior. It has volume, frequency search, am/fm, and preset controls. It's a very nice unit, works very well, and one that I'd recommend, but............ it's not being made anymore, as far as I knowl. Johan Lai, bought the only one that I know of, from a salvage yard. I think that's the only way you can get one, unless one of the other riders, reading this message, has some other ideas. Sorry I can't be of more help in obtaining the Kenwood. Good luck and Happy riding always, Phil Lewis So. Cal. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:23:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:21:05 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: Stupid riding tricks In case any of you are not familiar with Oregon roads... When the weather report says snow in the passes, US 26 is _not_ the way to come home. 97 to the Dalles is better. Much better. Friday, at the end of my trip. I decide to take 26. It starts to snow. "no sweat," I say, "it's not sticking." Then it did. I then say, "do not panic. Find another route." I see US 35. Not better. It starts sticking. I start trying to find a place to turn around, but the other lane is in worse shape. I find a nice place (at the top of a pass) to pull over near some trucks (with whom I hoped to get a ride). I then make mistake number three. Feet down, coasting to a stop... I tap the front brake. Yes, I know better. If you _must_ lowside your bike, doing it at 4 mph on nice slush in a new Aerostitch is the best way to do it. Nothing hurt but my pride and the plastic crash bar covers. Met Jeremiah, a nice mechanic from one of the local lumber mills who gave me a lift down the mountain, where I met a really nice tow truck operator who needed considerable help in determining the best way to rig a PC800 without cracking the plastic all to hell. 4 hours later, I was eating steak and thawing out in Hood River. Other than that, 3,125.5 miles on the trip. Seattle to LA to Vegas to Reno and back again. 'Stich worked great, heated socks are good. Picked up some rain mitten covers 2 days after I really needed them, and got a new throttle lock 3 days after my wrist really started to bother me. Some day, I'll learn how to take a vacation properly. 'Til then, I need a Seattle area ERC to work on my wet pavement riding skills. Anyone got a schedule??? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NVXL62A@prodigy.com ( GORDON FRANK) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:18:03, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC tie down Steve Gross & others have written about: > tow truck operator who needed considerable help in >determining the best way to rig a PC800 without cracking the plastic all >to hell. When I picked up my PC at the warehouse, the crash bar covers were removed and the bike was tied down very securely, to the steel crash bars. This is the way that Honda ships the PC800 to the States. There are steel skids that bikes are normally tied down to, in case any one ever needs to ship or secure a bike on the back of a trailer, etc. GF ____ Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com Atlanta, Georgia USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: GORDON FRANK cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC tie down When my stator went I had the bike towed by a local company that only handles bikes and they removed the covers from the front crash bars to secure the bike without me even having to mention it. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, GORDON FRANK wrote: > > Steve Gross & others have written about: > > tow truck operator who needed considerable help in > >determining the best way to rig a PC800 without cracking the plastic > all > >to hell. > > When I picked up my PC at the warehouse, the crash bar covers were > removed and the bike was tied down very securely, to the steel crash > bars. This is the way that Honda ships the PC800 to the States. > There are steel skids that bikes are normally tied down to, in case > any one ever needs to ship or secure a bike on the back of a trailer, > etc. > GF > > ____ > Gordon Frank NVXL62A@Prodigy.Com > Atlanta, Georgia USA > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vince Santamaria" To: Subject: Back Again Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:53:49 -0400 Hello PC800er's, I am back on the list after a brief period of time (no E-Mail access). Name: Vince Santamaria Location: Fort Myers FL EMAIL: vsantam@eccrs.edison.cc.fl.us PC Model: 1990 Bought : New Modifications: Corbin Seat, Hondaline Radio, Throttle Lock, I am preparing to go on the Pancho Villa Moto Tour trip to Panama in January. So far I know of atleast one other PC going. There is still room available on the tour. The tour starts at McAllen,Texas January 12th,1997. We travel the length of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragura, Costa Rica, and Panama. The bikes and touristas are flown back to Houston from Panama. Price is $5295. Not cheap but they take care of all the details, Visas, rooms, most meals, etc. Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 08:25:50 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re:helmet face shields: Get Fog-City I have a Shoei and my Fog City worked great last winter for about 8 to 9 weeks. Then it came loose on one corner causing a flapping that was very distracting. It also made it quit working to eliminate the fog, causing me to have to crack the shield open again....this made it work even more loose. Before the day was over (500 mile day) I had it taken off and in my trunk. A friend said he had his shield open to adjust his glasses and the wind just whipped his out and down the road. I did like it for as long as it lasted, and am thinking about reapplying it with 3-M double sticky tape that comes in the kits for plastic storm window covering. What do you guys think about trying that. Wanda ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re:helmet face shields: Get Fog-City Author: vierhel@ibm.net at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 10/21/96 7:53 PM I used to keep my face helmet open just a crack for the anti-fog effect. However, I really hated the water drps that would drip off of my nose due to this practice. I now use a FOG-CITY stick on visor liner and it works really well. I now keep my face shield closed and my face dry. The only problem with the FOG-CITY device is that is can casue some reflections. In my case the reflections occur far above the horizon and I really don't even notice. Fog City costs about $10. It just sort of sticks onto the inside of your face shield. The instructions say it is not recommended for Shoei face-shields. I have been using it on my Shoei X9 without problem so far. (Only about 4-5 weeks.) It may not stick as well to the Shoei shields. I am not certain why that warning is on the packaging. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // From the Pacific North WET (Seattle area) // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:09:35 -0600 > From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: helmet face shields > > I have a BMW (flip-up chin bar) helmet with the stock shield. > In rain, it has to stay cracked open a little, to minimize > fogging. Ever so often I stick my head out into the breeze > to blow off the little droplets that collect on the outside > of the shield. Under bad conditions (prolonged rain) I have had to > keep a little paper towel on the dashboard and (awkwardly) stick > my hand up under the shield and wipe off the inside. > > What kind of helmet do you have? Open face with a non-flip-up > shield? > > Bob C. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:18:58 -0700 To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu, hopkinsj@telepath.com, bryceu@MICROSOFT.com, asb@cisco.com, garyklim@SNET.Net, Pauly@msn.com, dkgross@halcyon.com, ultspnch@ecn.net.au, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: My (former) Radio Problem NOTE: I posted the following problem Sept 5: (from the "for what it's worth department") ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The radio turns off with the ignition switch, but also has a constant supply of juice for the clock and memory. I tried hooking the constant hot wire to the radio (instead if the ignition switched wire) and still had the problem, but not as much. This drained my battery, so I reconnected the ignition switched wire. The sound goes off suddenly and completely for about 3 seconds and always comes back. No static or fade it or out. It is the power and not the speakers (the tape doesn't advance) It does it mostly when the bike is NOT warmed up. It almost never does it after the bike has been running for more than 30 minutes. It does NOT do it over bumps or rough road. It does NOT do it at any particular RPM. It DOES do it when accelerating OR decelerating (when the bike is cool). Just twisting the throttle or letting it go... not braking. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks to all of you for sending me suggestions..... I tried many of the simple ones, and was getting ready to try some of the more difficult ones. I was discussing (with an electrical engineer) the possibility of adding another battery in the trunk. He noticed that although the correct ground wire was connected to the radio, the chassis of the unit is mounted to plastic and therefor not grounded. He suggested that I run a new ground wire directly from the neg. battery terminal to the chassis of the radio, and it has worked fine ever since. If anyone else is having a similar problem, I suggest that you ground directly to the neg battery terminal, and not to the frame of the bike. John John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:24:15 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Feedback >If anyone else is having a similar problem, I suggest that you ground >directly to the neg battery terminal, and not to the frame of the bike. Thanks, it's feedback like this that's very useful and makes the list so great! Bob C. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: Steve Gross Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:00:54 +0000 Subject: Re: Stupid riding tricks Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve: > Other than that, 3,125.5 miles on the trip. Seattle to LA to Vegas to > Reno and back again. 'Stich worked great, heated socks are good. > Picked up some rain mitten covers 2 days after I really needed them, and > got a new throttle lock 3 days after my wrist really started to bother > me. > Did you say *heated sox*?? Tell me more please! I have an Widder Vest, Widder Chaps, Widder Gloves but, would love some decent heated sox. Dennis ------------------------------------------ "We are here to add what we can to life, not to get what we can from it" -William Osler (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:10:26 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:03:28 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Embroidered stuff So, Dave presented me with a long-sleeved T today. I am impressed by the work. Well Done, Mr. co-ordinator of PC stuff!!! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:10:22 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:02:23 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: denko@ix.netcom.com Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Electric Socks They're from a hunting catalog -- Cabelo's, I think. runs on "D" cells. you don't really notice them unless you standing still or sitting. On the bike or playing in the snow, I didn't notice that my feet were warm as much as I noticed that the they weren't as cold. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: Steve Gross cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Embroidered stuff On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Steve Gross wrote: > So, Dave presented me with a long-sleeved T today. I am impressed by > the work. Well Done, Mr. co-ordinator of PC stuff!!! > -- > Steve Gross, Seattle, WA > '90 Honda PC800 Thanks! It was kinda fun. I'm starting to collect requests for round two if anyone else wants these items. Email me directly for more information so I don't spam the list. Well, I probably already just did. Oh well :) Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A hearty THANKS... to Johan for the great job of putting together the group buying spree. I was very pleased, hell, I was shocked at the excellent rendition of our bike on the hat and shirt! Great job by everybody involved. Uh, Johan, because I thought a hat and t-shirt would be all I would want, I kinda, well, tossed the order form out. Would you mind e-mailing it again? Anybody who didn't purchase one for fear of the quality of the product, get your order in. Thanks, again, Johan. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Maxon radios Ooops. Forgot to tell you guys(and gals) what their product code was: MXN49HX Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:40:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My (former) Radio Problem Hi John: In a message dated 96-10-23 18:16:40 EDT, you write: << If anyone else is having a similar problem, I suggest that you ground directly to the neg battery terminal, and not to the frame of the bike. >> I'm glad you found your radio gremlin, but I can't see the need for going all the way back to the battery to ground the chassis of the radio. Grounding it to the frame should work just fine since it is electrically equivalent, assuming the battery is properly grounded. JT Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: Steve Gross Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:13:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Electric Socks Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Steve said: > They're from a hunting catalog -- Cabelo's, I think. runs on "D" > cells. you don't really notice them unless you standing still or > sitting. On the bike or playing in the snow, I didn't notice that my > feet were warm as much as I noticed that the they weren't as cold. > -- Okay, I know Cabella's and I have seen those socks. I was hopin' for something that was alternator driven so I can try to kill my new stator and have to put another one it (grin). Seriously though, how long do the batteries last?? Do you use alkalines or carbon/zinc ones? Since I got "skinny" my feet are always cold! Dennis ==================================== Energy Efficiency . . . . . . "Work to Ride . . . . Ride to Work" - Andy Goldfine Aerostitch I like that!! with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:44:12 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:41:14 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Amazing PC Facts I discovered two amazing facts about the PC today. Amazing Fact #1 The PC is invisible to radar. We have a rather nice stretch of four lane slab here in Ithaca that has a beautiful constant radius curve on a downhill stretch. I was going 80+ down the hill at dusk with a big smile on my face. Turned around, headed up the hill and did 80+ back up. At the top of the hill I saw him, and he saw me. He looked at the radar, looked at me, looked back at the radar, looked back at me... It was obvious that he knew I was speeding but couldn't get a read. Interesting. BTW, I passed within 15 feet of the unmarked car at speed before I realized I should cool it a little. Amazing Fact #2 The PC, although a good handling bike, does slide on gravel and will go down. Aw sh&%$!t. But!!! I slid for 20 feet on the ground, ground through the crash bar protectors with no other damage to the bike. (I think I'm in love with the design engineers.) My Motoport suit earned its pay, too, earning several new abrasion patches. A few bruises, a stiff neck, and a 'trimmed' ego are the only damage to me. Picked up the bike, punched the start button, it fired right up, and drives just fine, thank you. I love this bike. Happy riding. Jan deRoos, '89 PC, 15,000mi "Moby" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Amazing PC Facts Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:01:08 -0700 >Amazing Fact #2 >The PC, although a good handling bike, does slide >on gravel and will go down. Aw sh&%$!t. But!!! Man, don't I know it! I dumped my PC800 in gravel at about 30mph. The pavement ground all the way through both right-side crash covers, but there was no other damage to the bike at all. I, however, took a little more damage since I was stupidly riding at the time without a jacket. I've got the "Yes I'm An Idiot" scars on my right arm permanently to remind me never to do that again. Glad you weren't hurt badly! Dave >---------- >From: JAN DEROOS[SMTP:deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu] >Sent: Thursday, October 24, 1996 9:41 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Amazing PC Facts > >I discovered two amazing facts about the PC today. > >Amazing Fact #1 >The PC is invisible to radar. We have a rather >nice stretch of four lane slab here in Ithaca that >has a beautiful constant radius curve on a >downhill stretch. I was going 80+ down the hill at >dusk with a big smile on my face. Turned around, >headed up the hill and did 80+ back up. At the >top of the hill I saw him, and he saw me. He >looked at the radar, looked at me, looked back at >the radar, looked back at me... It was obvious >that he knew I was speeding but couldn't get a >read. Interesting. BTW, I passed within 15 feet >of the unmarked car at speed before I realized I >should cool it a little. > >Amazing Fact #2 >The PC, although a good handling bike, does slide >on gravel and will go down. Aw sh&%$!t. But!!! >I slid for 20 feet on the ground, ground through >the crash bar protectors with no other damage to >the bike. (I think I'm in love with the design >engineers.) My Motoport suit earned its pay, too, >earning several new abrasion patches. A few >bruises, a stiff neck, and a 'trimmed' ego are the >only damage to me. Picked up the bike, punched >the start button, it fired right up, and drives >just fine, thank you. I love this bike. > >Happy riding. > >Jan deRoos, '89 PC, 15,000mi "Moby" >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:41:41 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Amazing PC Facts FWIW, a friend of mine did a low-speed, scenic-turnout slide on his 600 Kaw-- $1100 worth of damage, all cosmetic! Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:20:29 -0300 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Amazing PC Facts Jan: >I slid for 20 feet on the ground, ground through >the crash bar protectors with no other damage to >the bike. I've had the same experience several times, on ice, and leaves, and ankle-deep mud. If the bike does a serious roll it will touch, perhaps pop off, the mirror and perhaps scratch the trunk cover. But largely the rollbar covers take the abuse. Idea: Panel of the Month Club. These plastic bikes have a nasty habit, of, after five or six years of reasonable use, of the tiny tabbies that connect everything to everything breaking, mostly when you R&R the covers for maintenance. Now, some people have posted about fab'ing metal tabbies and fastening (pop-riveting?) them to the panels in order to get more life out of them, but I think for most of us, a Panel Of The Month Club, where they automatically sent you a new body panel every other month would save countless trips to the shop (altho' I now get a discount on Tupperware at my Honda dealer.) Of course, if you didn't need that particular panel that month you could return or exchange it. So, even if you are still driving the bike after a decade, it would still look beautiful. Anyone interested? Should we call Columbia House? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: Mine at last :-) After a hideously long (time) drive thru Boston to the pickup point, I took ownership of a pc, that is now all mine. I had a great ride back to the Cape 113 miles. Boy does this thing cruise. My wife following in the pickup/rescue vehicle was surprised that I could cruise at 75 into a gusty headwind (about 10 -20 mph from the sw). with no problems. I feel a lot of questions comming on ;_). I leave tomorrow for a cruise on an oceanographic research vessel to Georges Bank. I do that for a living. Unfortunately I give up a week of riding. So far this year I have lost 7 weeks, but I like going to sea. No longer a pc cherry. It felt great... Nick What size Dow cover fits this machine? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Amazing PC Facts From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 Oct 1996 18:33:22 -0500 Lines: 16 >>>>> "JD" == JAN DEROOS writes: JD> Amazing Fact #1 The PC is invisible to radar. Sorry, but it simply isn't. It's a common misconception that motos are invisible to radar, but that's not the case. I was nicked for going 35 in a school zone, but fortunately it was only an imaginary school zone. The policeman had staked out a nice position behind a school and waited for the likes of me, but ne neglected that he's parked behind a high school, and around here they don't get a 20mph limit. Fortunately I didn't grind the egg into his face, because he probably would have made something up and hauled me off. But yes, it did get me on radar. He showed me the gun and everything. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electric Socks From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 Oct 1996 18:35:38 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "D" == Dennis writes: D> Okay, I know Cabella's and I have seen those socks. I was hopin' for D> something that was alternator driven so I can try to kill my new stator D> and have to put another one it (grin). They run on DC, so if you're up to wiring something into to your bike's electrical system you should be up to wiring a power resistor or Zener diode in series to drop the voltage. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:48:40 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Jason L Tibbitts III CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Re: Electric Socks Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > They run on DC, so if you're up to wiring something into to your bike's > electrical system you should be up to wiring a power resistor or Zener > diode in series to drop the voltage. Make sure that you spec the zener for at least 100% above maximum wattage that the socks will draw. Remember the zener regulator that Triumph (Meriden, not Hinkley) used? Long live Mr. Lucas - Prince of Darkness... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:57:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Amazing PC Facts At 06:33 PM 10/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> "JD" == JAN DEROOS writes: > >JD> Amazing Fact #1 The PC is invisible to radar. NOT! >But yes, it did get me on radar. He showed me the gun and everything. Agreed, While the PC might have an advantage over naked motorcycles, and motorcycles have an advantage over cars thanks to their smaller profile, they are by no means invisible. Simply realize what excellent reflectors the radiator and the headlamp are. Traffic radar can even clock a bicyclist if tuned right and is used by an experienced operator. My guess, either that radar gun was defective in some way, or the operator was a complete moron. Either way, you were lucky! :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:02:11 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Daniel MacKay CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Amazing PC Facts Daniel MacKay wrote: > Idea: Panel of the Month Club... > ...So, even if you are still driving the bike after a decade, it would still > look beautiful. Anyone interested? Should we call Columbia House? I can see it now: "12 PC body panels for only 1 cent!" And the fine print reads: "And you agree to purchase 5 stators at full retail within the next two years..." gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and we're winning the war against the leaves... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:24:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Laser Guns The PC is not invisible to radar, but it is very difficult to pick up with a laser gun. You will be on top of him before he gets you. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 24 Oct 1996 19:41:28 -0500 (CDT) (peer crosschecked as: felix.filenet.com [198.3.8.11]) id QQbmvc19982; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:13:06 -0400 (EDT) id LAA26060; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:08:38 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai Subject: Maxon radios To: PC800 Mail List If you're not afraid of baby monitors and cordless phones, I found a place where they sell the Maxon 5 channel radios (49-HX) for $49.95. It's Longs Electronics in Irondale, AL (800) 633-3410. They discount the price if you buy them in pairs ($89.95). They primarily sell PA stuff and projectors. My church buys stuff from them all the time. I just happened to pick up one of their catalogs this morning to browse through while...ahem...takin care of business in the mens room :) So I placed an order for one just now. They do have them in stock if anybody wants them. Perhaps Phil Lewis can be the broker if there are a lot of single orders to save $5. It's barely lunch but $5 is $5 :) If you order them single, like I did, total comes to $54.35 w/ shipping. Cheers, Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:45:41 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Amazing PC Facts I have a number of receipts as proof that PCs/motorcycles are NOT invisible to radar. Or laser. You were either lucky, Jan, or the cop didn't know what he was doing. Roger Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: Bill McKenna Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:09:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Electric Socks Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In response to the ol' Parrothead's lament about cold feet, Bill said: > I betcha, if you called, and were V E R Y nice.....Widder'd make you a > pair > > > Gee . . . . . .think so?? D (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:32:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:22:05 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: denko@ix.netcom.com Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Electric Socks I used duracells, ran'em for about 16 hours & didn't burn'em out. try Gerbing. (www.gerbing.com) for a complete system -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:15:06 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: Introduction Name: Bill Johnson Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Email: clynnj@flinet.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1989 Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: Had Hondaline windshield and backrest, I added cruise control and Stealth edging Short Bio: Two years ago my friend bought a 94 pc800. After seeing it, and reading about it on Prodigy and here, I knew I had to have one! Since I hadn't ridden a motorcycle in 20 years, I signed up for a MSF course. I wasn't really sure if I would be comfortable with it. The course was a lot of fun, and the instructor was excellent. One week later, after perusing the Cycle Trader I bought a 89 PC800 from a BMW dealer in Ft Lauderdale. The price was $3900. which was $200 over book, but the bike was virtually perfect with only 4500 miles. It also came with an extra oil and air filter. Plus, he gave me a pretty good deal on a Shoei Doutec, $250. I've since put 5000 miles on it with no problems, well almost. I did leave the parking lights on one day and killed the battery. I bought a new one for $67.79 Ouch! But I figured it was worth the peace of mind as I commute 28 miles to work and that battery was already six years old. Two new Dunlops followed at 5700 miles, they were pretty dried out and starting to wear fast. Although I wanted Metzelers like everybody else(or so it seemed) they were unavailable and waiting was out of the question. I've got a K177 up front and a 491 Elite on the back. So far, I've been very pleased. The bike is a lot of fun, and my wife really enjoys riding on the back with me. Most of our jaunts have been local, to and along the beach, out for lunch etc. with one long ride to Cocoanut Grove which was about 200 miles r/t. The bike is great, the only complaint is about the stock seat, it just isn't that comfortable to me. I had been considering the Corbin but it seems that the jury is still out on it. I did go so far as to call in an order, but at the time they were out of stock and were retooling the mold or something. That was months ago. It simply isn't that high on my budget priorities. I can't wait to get out and do some real touring, I have a fantasy about my wife and I riding up to Sanford, FL and taking the AutoTrain (they take M/Cs now) to Lorton, Va. which is just south of DC and riding the PC down Skyline Drive and the Blue Ridge Parkway. We could get a sleeper berth on the train (VERY romantic, or so I am told) and then stay a night or two along the Parkway as we make our way back south. However that isn't #1 on the priority list,( although its got a bullet and rising fast!) It seems that every month there's a steady stream of bills with my name on that drains my resources in a hurry.( I know Im not the only one, I just like to whine.) O.K. some comments on what I've read here: I like daytime running lights, I use them on our car, and I use them on my tractor trailer that I drive for a living. I want to be seen. Period. I read an article a few years ago in the Readers Digest that investigated the statistics in Sweden and Iceland and it made a believer out of me. Fram oil filters: I bought a case before I found out about the recall and all the scary stories about filters coming off. I checked the ones I bought and they weren't part of the recall, but the extra one that came with the bike did start leaking and when I removed it I noticed that the gasket was kind of concave instead of flat like the others. It wasn't part of the recall either. No problems so far with the new one and I check it regularly. Honda service: I let the local dealer do the 8000 mile service and although they quoted me a price of $120, I was pleasantly suprised when I picked up the bike that it was only $98.54. Seems that he thought that the valves had to be adjusted and of course they didn't. He could have very easily said nothing and I wouldn't have known. My wonderful wife, Cheryl just walked by and said I was getting rather long winded, so I guess I'll wrap this up. This is her computer and she help me through all the technical wizardry of getting here. I look forward to more discourse on my second favorite subject: HONDA Pacific Coast Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:35:49 -0400 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: quotes to live by.... In a message dated 96-10-24 21:02:08 EDT, wooddell@bellsouth.net (Jeff Wooddell) writes: Jeff Wooddell wrote: > >"And they do go like dirty stink!" then john@gunterman.mv.com (Mac Geek) writes: > "Huh?" >> > so GuntherSki wrote > "If you have to ask......." > then Jeff Wooddell wrote: "For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't understand, no explanation is possible!" -- Jeff Wooddell "Against Stupidity The Gods Themselves Contend In Vain" and GuntherSki responds.. "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." AE ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:44:23 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Nashville Bike Plea ...... Hi All, A group of "US" are going to be in Nashville this weekend for the Honda Dealers show. We plan on getting together on Sunday for some early food and a RIDE : ) However, I won't have ride since I'm flying in from Chicago. Does anyone have an extra set of wheels? Know where I might be able to rent? Of course the entire thing depends on the weather but I'm bringing my 'Stich and brain bucket just in case. Please respond soon as the weekend approaches. My number in Chicago is 312-235-0933. My Mom's number in Nashville in 615- 662-0965. (I'm staying with her) I look forward to meeting you. Z (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:41:12 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:41:12 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: More races! So I guess you guys don't want to hear anything about this w/ends superbike final, either, eh? Of course the whole thing will be on free tv here live, 'cause of the great m/c culture we have here in oz, but don't worry, I can keep a secret, if you'd like! Ron Grant. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JBLAV@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:04:14 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Laser Guns Dear PC Friends, I have done my share of rotating that throttle grip to the extreme, especially in central Florida where there are four lanes surrounded by sugar cane fields. I am impressed by the accelleration, and maintained cruising speed. I happen to use the Radar and Laser every week day here in Key Largo, FL. However I must warn all of you that the PC is not invisable to Radar or Laser speed measuring devices. In fact the Laser is the next best thing to sliced bread. It is target specific. It sends infrared light to a target. The light is reflected back and the unit calculates the time it took for the light to travel both distances. At a thousand feet the width of the infra red light is only about 3 feet wide. Most vehicles that get tagged are within 300-800 feet, so the width would only be about 6-12 inches. If aimed at the right location, laser detectors can be defeated. So be careful out there. On a lighter note, I also ride a Harley Davidson FXRP. I enjoy the PC800 hands down. They just dont compare. Now if I could just get the PC outfitted with blue lights. Jim Key Largo, FL ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 19:29:28 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, JBLAV@aol.com Subject: RE: Re: Laser Guns The motorcycle police in WA use white KZ-1000 motorcycles with red and blue lights mounted on the front faring. These bikes have black luggage boxes on both rear sides and a single rotating blue light mounted off the back seat rest. They use open face white lids. When I drive my Pearl '89 on the freeway (Pearl Shoe Lid) I notice that some vehicles seem to slow down as I approach from the rear - almost as if they mistake me for a motorcycle officer. I do have the Blue AeroStitch Coat with Black Aerostitch pants, but my bike doesn't have the red and blue flashers mounted up front. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of JBLAV@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 1996 6:04 AM To: BernieK469@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Laser Guns Dear PC Friends, I have done my share of rotating that throttle grip to the extreme, especially in central Florida where there are four lanes surrounded by sugar cane fields. I am impressed by the accelleration, and maintained cruising speed. I happen to use the Radar and Laser every week day here in Key Largo, FL. However I must warn all of you that the PC is not invisable to Radar or Laser speed measuring devices. In fact the Laser is the next best thing to sliced bread. It is target specific. It sends infrared light to a target. The light is reflected back and the unit calculates the time it took for the light to travel both distances. At a thousand feet the width of the infra red light is only about 3 feet wide. Most vehicles that get tagged are within 300-800 feet, so the width would only be about 6-12 inches. If aimed at the right location, laser detectors can be defeated. So be careful out there. On a lighter note, I also ride a Harley Davidson FXRP. I enjoy the PC800 hands down. They just dont compare. Now if I could just get the PC outfitted with blue lights. Jim Key Largo, FL ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:01:06 -0400 From: Thomas Zander <106265.455@compuserve.com> Subject: Some questions To: PC800Forum Hi all ! Is there anybody who has experiences with tires? Which are the best? Or are they equal. There was a discussion about crashes. Is there any additional protection against fall-down (right word??:-) or is there ment the normal facing. Sorry for my bl)/&$&&/y english. hope to get help from you. Thanks Thomas (keep on riding PC´s) ;-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Thomas Zander <106265.455@compuserve.com> Cc: PC800Forum Subject: Re: Some questions From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:31:58 -0500 Lines: 18 >>>>> "TZ" == Thomas Zander <106265.455@compuserve.com> writes: TZ> Is there anybody who has experiences with tires? There is a wealth of tire experience in the archives. A simple search for "tires" brings up a pile of relevant messages. (http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800, as mentioned in the intro document, or follow the link at the bottom of every message. TZ> There was a discussion about crashes. Is there any additional TZ> protection against fall-down (right word??:-) or is there ment the TZ> normal facing. Well, the crash protectors prevent nearly all damage in the event of a low speed drop or a slide, and the mirrors come off just in case. If you ride off of a bridge, well, not much is going to help you. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:36:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Jason L Tibbitts III CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Re: Some questions Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Well, the crash protectors prevent nearly all damage in the event of a low > speed drop or a slide, and the mirrors come off just in case. If you ride > off of a bridge, well, not much is going to help you. Not entirely true... A surplus parachute used for military air drops of jeeps and such can be rigged in one half of the trunk. Next to the trunk release lever is wired a "Panic Button" which will detonate explosive bolts securing the trunk latch mechanism. Assuming sufficient time to deploy chute, this scenario is survivable. As an added bonus, the fact that you land forks first will aid in reducing the initial impact of landing... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:15:04 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Some questions At 07:36 PM 10/25/96 -0400, you wrote: >Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >> Well, the crash protectors prevent nearly all damage in the event of a low >> speed drop or a slide, and the mirrors come off just in case. If you ride >> off of a bridge, well, not much is going to help you. >Next to the trunk release lever is wired a "Panic Button" which willdetonate >explosive bolts securing the trunk latch mechanism. Assuming sufficient time to >deploy chute, this scenario is survivable. As an added bonus, the fact that you >land forks first will aid in reducing the initial impact of landing... Gee Gary, by the time you finish explaining to your insurance company why you need to replace the trunk lid and a new set of forks, they'll probably write it off anyways, so, save the parachute for yourself and go look for a new PC. :-) Have good weekend everyone. Keep in mind that while the weather is not picture perfect, you could be stuck up here with me. Today's high temp. was -6F. Enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 19:06:22 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: Re: Stupid riding tricks Content-Id: <35_73_1_846284782> I started commuting to work in 1985 and rode in all kinds of weather. [Steve Gross mentioned sliding out the front end while trying to stop on the snow.] I gave up riding in the snow for exactly that reason. It is nearly impossible to stop. It is mandatory to use one's feet as outrigers when starting and stopping. Starting is quite easy. The back end slips around while you support things with your legs and hands, until you get moving. Stopping is another matter. To use your legs as outriggers (required) also disables the rear brake (the one you want to use). Using the front brake (as both Steve and I discovered) is not a viable alternative. The only thing I could think of is to shift into first gear, and then use the clutch in reverse as a brake. You actually have to hit the kill switch to stop (so that you can slow down past your first gear idle speed.) This works, but I decided it wasn't worth it. I still managed to slide right through a red light once. That was the end of riding in the snow for me. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:04:10 +0100 (MET) From: "S. Kruit" To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: Re: Laser Guns On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Paul Hayes wrote: > The motorcycle police in WA use white KZ-1000 motorcycles with red and blue > lights mounted on the front faring. These bikes have black luggage boxes on > both rear sides and a single rotating blue light mounted off the back seat > rest. They use open face white lids. > > When I drive my Pearl '89 on the freeway (Pearl Shoe Lid) I notice that some > vehicles seem to slow down as I approach from the rear - almost as if they > mistake me for a motorcycle officer. I do have the Blue AeroStitch Coat with > Black Aerostitch pants, but my bike doesn't have the red and blue flashers > mounted up front. I have the same 'problem' here in the Netherlands ;) They use a white BMW motorcycle and it seems the PC looks the same in the rear-view mirror. It suits me when they slow down a bit, makes overtaking just a bit more easy. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@xs4all.nl Url : http://www.xs4all.nl/~bsltwr Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 02:46:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Damn But It Makes Me Mad! I just LOVE these unsolicited e-mail junk mail things that I get that give instructions as to how to get off their list if you don't want their junk--and when you send it the damned thing bounces back to ya! Ooooh, that fries me! Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: Thomas Zander <106265.455@compuserve.com>, PC800Forum Subject: Re: Some questions From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 26 Oct 1996 01:22:41 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> If you ride off of a bridge, well, not much is going to help you. I only say that because Kent, who some of the elder members may still remember, actually lowsided and slid off of the road and down an embankment. His bodywork was not damaged. Unfortunately within the last few months his son took a turn a little too hot and highsided. The bike is fine, but according to Kent there isn't a single piece of plastic untouched. Replacement value is over $3.5K. Kent's now riding an older BMW, and still beats ZX-9's in the twisties. (Kent has outrun any sportbike you care to name on the twisty Texas roads while riding his lowly PC800. No joke.) And on the subject of interesting crashes, another former listmember had his front wheel stuck in a trolley track while crossing at a 45 degree angle. The bike did an "extreme stoppie" and also ended up doing about $3K of plastic damage, plus taking out the entire front end. But I prefer no to think about hitting the pavement. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 21:10:18 +0900 To: "Pacific Coast Mail List" Subject: PC800 Dow Cover: 125 Touring Full Dress Content-Id: <48_70_1_846378618> Someone asked about which size DOW cover is used for the PC. Dow Size 125 Touring/Full Dress That's what mine says on the label. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:01:49 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Sid Liebes Subject: Seeking Boot Advice/Recommentation Hi, good people - During the 10 days since I discovered and subscribed to this list, a number of you have been exceedingly helpful in offering advice. I estimate 80% likelihood, of purchasing '97 PC800 within next two months, in good part because of your help, and enthusiasm for your bikes. Context: I'm returning to motorcycling 30 years after 3 years on Yamaha 250 single-stroke in mid-1960's. I'm commencing the MSF beginner's course in two weeks. Bike is for 2 x 5-mile residential commute, and pleasure: weekend 1-3 hours mountain roads (San Francisco Peninsula); occasional long weekend. I've purchased Shoei FR700 helmet (fit me best; well featured; less expensive than other models shown). I've ordered Aerostitch catalogue, and anticipate 2-piece suit. I've purchased gloves. I've not yet homed in on boots. I've search the past 24 months of PC800 archives, and found little on the subject beyond a couple of producte recommendations (Gore-tex-lined Rockport SCS; Alpinstar Gore-tex). I've looked at Daytona (German) Roadstar ($220 reg, $270 Gore- tex) ... boot is narrow for my 10-1/2 D shoe size) ... has have shin and ankle shields. I've looked, briefly, at a variety of less expensive boots. Questions: Do you have recommendations re ... a) cost/benefit shin and ankle shielding b) adequacy of padding vs. shielding b) manufacturers who offer diverse boot widths, and or wide last c) price ballpark recommendation for reasonable protection d) specific brand recommendation e) sport-specific vs. field-boot style (latter multipurpose, post-destination functionality, sightly, relatively inexpensive, but generally lacking ankle and other reinforcement) (Being old, boring, and conservative, just plain leather-look, thanks ... no peacock colors.) Thanks, - Sid (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:19:39 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:19:39 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: not the SUPERBIKE results! Cc: PeterHively@fairisaac.com So I guess anyone who will NOT get the last oz races on tv,, and wants to know what happened, can get the scoop from moto page etc. What they probably CANNOT get is the FABULOUS show put on by ac e r t a i n very talented AUSSIE rider! I can not help but really think , now , that oz m/c riders are on a roll to a Dominance of world m/c racing, but I guess you really dont need to hear that, eh! Suffice to say that Kevin Shwantz did the race comments here, and he admitted HE had never in his life seen anyone ride like that! If you can watch it, you will ENJOY! Ron . (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:19:39 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:19:39 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: not the SUPERBIKE results! Cc: PeterHively@fairisaac.com So I guess anyone who will NOT get the last oz races on tv,, and wants to know what happened, can get the scoop from moto page etc. What they probably CANNOT get is the FABULOUS show put on by ac e r t a i n very talented AUSSIE rider! I can not help but really think , now , that oz m/c riders are on a roll to a Dominance of world m/c racing, but I guess you really dont need to hear that, eh! Suffice to say that Kevin Shwantz did the race comments here, and he admitted HE had never in his life seen anyone ride like that! If you can watch it, you will ENJOY! Ron . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:47:37 -0500 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Nashville I was there, in Nashville, as was Bryce Ulrich. We went for a ride on Sunday with JT, his wife, and Claude Hill. Claude was kind enough to let Bryce and me either ride pillion with him, (on his ST1100) or ride his '76 Triumph Bonneville 750. He took us to the REAL TN and we had a great time. I also saw the '97 PC and I say thumbs down on the new front fender. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:50:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seeking Boot Advice/Recommentation Rummaging through a local surplus store here in KC I found a selection of electric gloves. They are powered by one D cell battery, and sell for about $30.00. Anyone have any experience with these type of gloves? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:15:44 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Classifieds This is from the classifieds in the Mpls. Star Tribune: 1994 Honda PC800, 9M, Perfect, All Acc., Radio, Hard To Find, $5700. 612-633-9531. I also know of a nice 1989 Coast. Mike Larson milar@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:12:19 -0500 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: 106265.455@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Some questions In a message dated 96-10-26 03:11:24 EDT, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: << And on the subject of interesting crashes, another former listmember had his front wheel stuck in a trolley track while crossing at a 45 degree angle. The bike did an "extreme stoppie" and also ended up doing about $3K of plastic damage, plus taking out the entire front end. >> I had that happen to me (at quite low speed, obviously) in the middle of Harvard Square about 35 years ago on a BMW R-50. The bike wasn't damaged much at all. I still have the scars! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:12:16 -0500 To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? In a message dated 96-10-11 20:59:43 EDT, roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) writes: << I first tried the E460 (46liters) and now have the E50 Maxia (50liters). The Maxia is bigger than 4liters difference because of the shape. It is a boxy shape and much easier to pack. I believe the Maxia was the original product. The lineup has been gradually expanded. Quality product. PC mount = $71 and E50 = $183. >> Roger, That's pretty cheap for a Givi. How easy is it to remove the top box? What does it look like with the top box removed? Is it something that you would be willing to ride around with most of the time or does it look like something is missing. (I would like a top box for touring -- mostly to hold bulky cold weather clothing -- but I wouldn't want it on there all the time.) Thanks, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:34:48 -0500 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: TedJ101@aol.com, roger@dg-webo, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? The box has a single key-locked/operated latch. You can't removed the key unless the top is latched. Removal from the bike is key, push a button under the key and remove the box. What's left is a very clean, pretty standard looking, luggage rack. To put the box on, set it on the rack and press down. One snap and it is latched. Very neat and secure design. And the box mount can be used just like a normal rack. I have uploaded some pictures to Jason. I don't know if they are going to make it onto the PC800 web page or not. Roger > In a message dated 96-10-11 20:59:43 EDT, roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com (Roger > Prince) writes: > > << I first tried the E460 (46liters) and now have the E50 Maxia (50liters). > The Maxia is bigger than 4liters difference because of the shape. It is a > boxy shape and much easier to pack. I believe the Maxia was the original > product. The lineup has been gradually expanded. Quality product. PC mount > = $71 and E50 = $183. >> > > > Roger, > > That's pretty cheap for a Givi. How easy is it to remove the top box? What > does it look like with the top box removed? Is it something that you would > be willing to ride around with most of the time or does it look like > something is missing. (I would like a top box for touring -- mostly to hold > bulky cold weather clothing -- but I wouldn't want it on there all the time.) > > Thanks, > <> > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:43:57 -0500 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? Correction. The key can't be removed unless the latch mechanism is in the locked position. You need the key to latch/unlatch the top and to remove the box. But you can attach the box without the key. Roger > The box has a single key-locked/operated latch. You can't removed the key unless > the top is latched. Removal from the bike is key, push a button under the key > and remove the box. What's left is a very clean, pretty standard looking, > luggage rack. To put the box on, set it on the rack and press down. One snap and > it is latched. Very neat and secure design. And the box mount can be used just > like a normal rack. > I have uploaded some pictures to Jason. I don't know if they are going to make > it onto the PC800 web page or not. > > Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Oct 96 10:16:13 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM> Subject: PC owners meeting at STAR '97 HSTA President Donald "Moose" Parish just sent this message to the VFR list, but it applies to PC owners as well. Let's have a meeting of Pacific Coast owners at STAR '97! We've done it at previous STAR annual meetings, and 1997...our fifteenth year...should prove to be a great event! Let's put it on our riding schedules for next year! ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001SU HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 71430.340@CompuServe.com 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ************************************************* Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind most! ************************************************** > To all VFR riders and "listers", > It has come to my attention that you folks are looking for a great place to > meet and kick tires in 1997. If you'd like to do some serious sport touring and > at the same time meet some like minded motorcyclist, the HSTA will be > celebrating it's 15th Anniversary in 1997, at Lake Eufaula, OK. I can tell you > that we are pulling out all the stops to make this STAR (Sport Touring > Association Rendezvous) as good as we know how. Right now we have Ed Youngblood > of the AMA as our keynote speaker. Mike Kneebone, of the Ironbutt fame, will > have an active part in the rally. > We also plan to raffle off a brand new Honda > this year as we did last year. At this writing we have not finalized which bike > it will be, but that should be decided very soon. Last year we raffled off a > brand new VFR and in 1995 we had a ST1100 to be given to the lucky winner. > STAR 97 will be held at Fountainhead Resort, in Checotah, OK. This is right on > Lake Eufaula, in east central OK., and promises to be a great place to get out > and stretch the legs on those PC's. The famous Talamina Drive is only 70 miles > away. > You must be a member of the HSTA to attend STAR. Membership fees are $25.00 per > year. The registration fee for the rally will be $35.00 The dates are > 6/22-25/97. Rooms will run under $60.00 per night and camping will be available > right on the Fountainhead grounds. Price to be determined, but almost > positively will be under $10.00 per person. > We will have meeting rooms available for VFR, ST, PC riders and any other group > that decides to get together. Included in the registration is the Welcoming Meeting/ > Wienie Roast on Sunday evening all of the maps and route guides for the week and > the Wednesday night banquet meal. We will also have numerous door prizes and > we're working on getting some demo rides now, all included in the price. Oh, yea, the tire > kickin' in the parking lot each night is also included. > In closing, let me say that all of you that decide to give us a try will find that we're your > kind of motorcyclist. I'd be more than happy to field any other questions. You can get apps by > dropping Dana Sawyer or me a note or by visiting our Home Page at > http://members.aol.com/hstawww/ and download an application from there. > Moose > President, HSTA > 317-936-5818 > CServe - 73523.3636 > work e-mail dparish@randomhouse.com > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Oct 96 10:55:53 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: Re: Laser Guns >When I drive my Pearl '89 on the freeway (Pearl Shoe Lid) I notice that some >vehicles seem to slow down as I approach from the rear - almost as if they >mistake me for a motorcycle officer. The police bikes in CA are set up much the same way as you described in WA, and I've experienced the same response, occasionally! I think some people just register the white helmet and the big white fairing when they glance in their rear-views. Here in CA it's legal to lane-split on the freeway. Although I don't do it very often, I was surprised the first time I did it and people actually MOVED OVER in their lanes to let me pass! I wonder how upset they became when they got a good look at the "plastic scooter" they just made room for! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 16:05:53 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Roger Prince" Subject: Givi trunk, colors? I'm curious about available colors for the GIVI trunk. Does anybody know what colors are available? Is a color that would look good with the Pearl White '89 available? Thanks. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Roger Prince Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 1996 6:43 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? Correction. The key can't be removed unless the latch mechanism is in the locked position. You need the key to latch/unlatch the top and to remove the box. But you can attach the box without the key. Roger > The box has a single key-locked/operated latch. You can't removed the key unless > the top is latched. Removal from the bike is key, push a button under the key > and remove the box. What's left is a very clean, pretty standard looking, > luggage rack. To put the box on, set it on the rack and press down. One snap and > it is latched. Very neat and secure design. And the box mount can be used just > like a normal rack. > I have uploaded some pictures to Jason. I don't know if they are going to make > it onto the PC800 web page or not. > > Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:22:47 -0500 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi trunk, colors? Black goes with anything. They may come in lt gray and white. Colors down the road but they probably wouldn't match anyway. Call 1-704-6794123 or Fax 1-704-6794133 Roger > > I'm curious about available colors for the GIVI trunk. Does anybody know what > colors are available? Is a color that would look good with the Pearl White '89 > available? > > Thanks. - pauly > ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:19:15 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lutz Subject: WANTED: Corbin for '90 PC800 Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Needed for two week tour of SW USA beginning Nov 9, 1996: One Corbin saddle for a 1990 PC800 (red). Hoping for a black on black. Please respond directly to dlutz@informix.com or call (EST) H: 513-948-0602 W: 513-563-3501 Thanks, Dave Lutz || dlux "" $$$$ o o ()=- $$|| __ /\ > 0==== $$$$ --\-/ + \\ \\ = ||$$ () / () // // $$$$ || //////////////// Dave Lutz ////////// // District Manager, Systems Engineering ////// / /// Informix Software, Inc. ///// // //// 4555 Lake Forest Drive, Suite 650 //// // ///// Cincinnati, OH 45242 /// // ////// Voice: 513.563.3501 // // /////// Fax: 513.563.3011 / /////////// Internet dlutz@informix.com //////////////// WWWeb: http://www.informix.com/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:38:40 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Classifieds At 01:15 PM 10/29/96 UT, you wrote: >This is from the classifieds in the Mpls. Star Tribune: > >1994 Honda PC800, 9M, Perfect, All Acc., Radio, Hard To Find, $5700. >612-633-9531. Was that 9_k_ miles or 9 _miles_ ?!? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 16:11:06 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ride With The Weather It was Friday, October 25th, and sunny, and on the way up to 65 degrees, balmy for this time of year in Northeast Ohio. Well that was just to much good weather to enjoy from the view of the office in downtown Cleveland. A quick call to work to let them know of my absence for the day and I would be able to enjoy the day on the road. Two morning errands, and the afternoon was mine for exploring. But my second errand was almost my last. When stopped at a traffic light, a quick glance in the mirrors showed a Chrysler with a driver oblivious to my location approaching at warp speed. I eyed my options, and when the breaks began to screech I made my move. I moved up a full bike length to the edge of the street. when the screeching had stopped, the offending Chrysler was parked exactly where I had been stopped just seconds before. Whew! After lunch with my wife,I fueled, and went exploring or local metropark system, to enjoy the fall foliage. The afternoon was enjoyable as some of the back roads offered great scenery and some challenging twisties. I got slightly misdirected (missed just that one turn), but I had no place in particular to go, so what. I found my way home, and all in all an enjoyable 140 plus miles. Sunday, my wife Sandra took the bike to show Scott (he rides an 86 Harley FXRT). She came back rather upset with duct tape holding on the left side mirror. It seems that while pushing the bike back, she lost her footing on Scott's gravel driveway, and the bike went down against a parked car. OUCH! Popped off the left side mirror, and put some minor scratches in the windscreen (no noticable damage to the car). Scott taped the mirror on so my wife could get home. After all of 15 minutes after her arival home, I had the mirror reattached, and some minor scuffes are all that have to be rubbed out. So all in all this weekend turned out not to bad as riding goes. Also, Does anyone on the list insure their bike thorough Cycle-Guard (underwritten by Geico Indemnity Co.) The reason is I'm curious about their "Sunny Day Riding Program" that provides coverage for riding on warm winter days. I'd like to know what, if any restrictions there are , and how the cost might compre to conventional insurance. In Northeast Ohio, every once in a while you do get lucky and I'm wondering if it is worthwhile. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 15:57:02 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Call Of The Weather It was Friday, October 25th, and sunny, and on the way up to 65 degrees, balmy for this time of year in Northeast Ohio. Well that was just to much good weather to enjoy from the view of the office in downtown Cleveland. A quick call to work to let them know of my absence for the day and I would be able to enjoy the day on the road. Two morning errands, and the afternoon was mine for exploring. But my second errand was almost my last. When stopped at a traffic light, a quick glance in the mirrors showed a Chrysler with a driver oblivious to my location approaching at warp speed. I eyed my options, and when the breaks began to screech I made my move. I moved up a full bike length to the edge of the street. when the screeching had stopped, the offending Chrysler was parked exactly where I had been stopped just seconds before. Whew! After lunch with my wife,I fueled, and went exploring or local metropark system, to enjoy the fall foliage. The afternoon was enjoyable as some of the back roads offered great scenery and some challenging twisties. I got slightly misdirected (missed just that one turn), but I had no place in particular to go, so what. I found my way home, and all in all an enjoyable 140 plus miles. Sunday, my wife Sandra took the bike to show Scott (he rides an 86 Harley FXRT). She came back rather upset with duct tape holding on the left side mirror. It seems that while pushing the bike back, she lost her footing on Scott's gravel driveway, and the bike went down against a parked car. OUCH! Popped off the left side mirror, and put some minor scratches in the windscreen (no noticable damage to the car). Scott taped the mirror on so my wife could get home. After all of 15 minutes after her arival home, I had the mirror reattached, and some minor scuffes are all that have to be rubbed out. So all in all this weekend turned out not to bad as riding goes. Also, Does anyone on the list insure their bike thorough Cycle-Guard (underwritten by Geico Indemnity Co.) The reason is I'm curious about their "Sunny Day Riding Program" that provides coverage for riding on warm winter days. I'd like to know what, if any restrictions there are , and how the cost might compre to conventional insurance. In Northeast Ohio, every once in a while you do get lucky and I'm wondering if it is worthwhile. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:30:44 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Call Of The Weather It was Friday, and sunny, and on the way up to 65 degrees, balmy for this time of year in Northeast Ohio. Well that was just to much good weather to enjoy from the view of the office in downtown Cleveland. A quick call to work to let them know of my absence for the day and I would be able to enjoy a day on the road. Two morning errands, and the afternoon was mine for exploring. A quick blast down the local interstates (I'm still impressed how effortlessly this bike cruises, and how quickly you can end up well above the posted speed limit) brought me to my first destination, the local honda dealer (automobile) to pick up a part. Back up the interstate, off to some city streets in the near by suburb of Lakewood for my second stop.  But my second stop was almost my last. When stopped at a traffic light, a quick glance in the mirrors reviled a late model crysler with a driver oblivious to my location by the intersection. As he rapidly approached I eyed my options, and when the breaks began to screech I made my move. The intersection had enough space between where you're supposed to stop (those white lines most drivers ignore) and the road to the right, that I moved up a full bike length to the edge of the street. when the screeching had stopped, the offending Crysler was parked exactly where I had been stopped just seconds before. Whew, I owe one to my MSF instructors who always reminded, check your mirrors when you stop. After my second destioation, a quick trip home for lunch with my wife (an advantage she has working just 4 mile from where we live), and I fueled, and went exploring or local metropark system, to enjoy the fall follage. The afternoon was enjoyable as some of the back roads offered great senery and some challanging twisties. I got slightly misdirected (missed just that one turn), but I had no place in particular to go, so what. I found my way home, and managed a quick visit to my mom who is in a nursing home. All in all an enjoyabe 140 plus miles. That evening I took a little night ride to my frien Scott (he rides an 86 Harley FXRT) to show him the bike. he thought it was pretty cool, expecially the trunk. He said bring it back in the daylight so he could get a better look. Sunday, my wife Sandra took the bike to show Scott in the daylight. She came back ralther upset with duct tape holding on the left side mirror. It seems that while pushing the bike back, she lost her footing on Scott's gravel driveway, and the bike went down against a parked car. OUCH! Popped off the left side mirror, and put some minor scratches in the windscreen. Scott, much to his amazement could not understand why nothing looked broken. He taped the mirror on so my wife could get home. After all of 15 minutes after her arival home, I had the mirror reattached, and some minor scuffes are all that have to be rubbed out. So all in all this weekend turned out not to bad as riding goes. Also, Does anyone on the list insure their bike thorough Cycle-Guard (underwritten by Geico Indemnity Co.) The reason is I'm curious about their "Sunny Day Riding Program" that provides coverage for riding on warm winter days. I'd like to know what, if any restrictions there are , and how the cost might compre to conventional insurance. In Northeast Ohio, every once in a while you do get lucky and I'm wondering if it is worthwhile. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 15:12:09 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Call Of The Road It was Friday, and sunny, and on the way up to 65 degrees, balmy for this time of year in Northeast Ohio. Well that was just to much good weather to enjoy from the view of the office in downtown Cleveland. A quick call to work to let them know of my absence for the day and I would be able to enjoy the day on the road. Two morning errands, and the afternoon was mine for exploring. A quick blast down the local interstates brought me to my first destination, the local honda dealer (automobile) to pick up a part. Back up the interstate (I'm really impressed with how effortlessly the PC cruises, and usually above the posted speed limit), off to some city streets in the near by suburb of Lakewood for my second stop.  But my second stop was almost my last. When stopped at a traffic light, a quick glance in the mirrors reviled a late model crysler with a driver oblivious to my location by the intersection. As he rapidly approached I eyed my options, and when the breaks began to screech I made my move. The intersection had enough space between where you're supposed to stop (those white lines most drivers ignore) and the road to the right, that I moved up a full bike length to the edge of the street. when the screeching had stopped, the offending Crysler was parked exactly where I had been stopped just seconds before. Whew, I owe one to my MSF instructors who always reminded, check your mirrors when you stop. After my second destination, a quick trip home for lunch with my wife (an advantage she has working just 4 mile from where we live), and I fueled, and went exploring or local metropark system, to enjoy the fall foliage. The afternoon was enjoyable as some of the back roads offered great scenery and some challenging twisties. I got slightly misdirected (missed just that one turn), but I had no place in particular to go, so what. I found my way home, and managed a quick visit to my mom who is in a nursing home. All in all an enjoyable 140 plus miles. That evening I took a little night ride to my friend Scott (he rides an 86 Harley FXRT) to show him the bike. he thought it was pretty cool, especially the trunk. He said it looks like a really big scooter, but to bring it back in the daylight so he could get a better look. Sunday, my wife Sandra took the bike to show Scott in the daylight. She came back rather upset with duct tape holding on the left side mirror. It seems that while pushing the bike back, she lost her footing on Scott's gravel driveway, and the bike went down against a parked car. OUCH! Popped off the left side mirror, and put some minor scratches in the windscreen (no noticeable damage to the car). Scott, much to his amazement could not understand why nothing looked broken. He taped the mirror on so my wife could get home. After all of 15 minutes after her arival home, I had the mirror reattached, and some minor scuffes are all that have to be rubbed out. So all in all this weekend turned out not to bad as riding goes. Also, Does anyone on the list insure their bike thorough Cycle-Guard (underwritten by Geico Indemnity Co.) The reason is I'm curious about their "Sunny Day Riding Program" that provides coverage for riding on warm winter days. I'd like to know what, if any restrictions there are , and how the cost might compre to conventional insurance. In Northeast Ohio, every once in a while you do get lucky and I'm wondering if it is worthwhile. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 15:35:51 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Call Of The Weather It was Friday, October 25th, and sunny, and on the way up to 65 degrees, balmy for this time of year in Northeast Ohio. Well that was just to much good weather to enjoy from the view of the office in downtown Cleveland. A quick call to work to let them know of my absence for the day and I would be able to enjoy the day on the road. Two morning errands, and the afternoon was mine for exploring. A quick blast down the local interstates brought me to my first destination, the local honda dealer (automobile) to pick up a part. Back up the interstate (I'm really impressed with how effortlessly the PC cruises, and usually above the posted speed limit), off to some city streets in the near by suburb of Lakewood for my second stop.  But my second stop was almost my last. When stopped at a traffic light, a quick glance in the mirrors showed a late model Chrysler with a driver oblivious to my location by the intersection. As he rapidly approached I eyed my options, and when the breaks began to screech I made my move. The intersection had enough space between where you're supposed to stop (those white lines most drivers ignore) and the road to the right, that I moved up a full bike length to the edge of the street. when the screeching had stopped, the offending Chrysler was parked exactly where I had been stopped just seconds before. Whew, I owe one to my MSF instructors who always reminded, check your mirrors when you stop. After my second destioation, a quick trip home for lunch with my wife (an advantage she has working just 4 mile from where we live), and I fueled, and went exploring or local metropark system, to enjoy the fall follage. The afternoon was enjoyable as some of the back roads offered great senery and some challanging twisties. I got slightly misdirected (missed just that one turn), but I had no place in particular to go, so what. I found my way home, and managed a quick visit to my mom who is in a nursing home. All in all an enjoyabe 140 plus miles. That evening I took a little night ride to my frien Scott (he rides an 86 Harley FXRT) to show him the bike. he thought it was pretty cool, expecially the trunk. He said it looks loike a really big scooter, but yo bring it back in the daylight so he could get a better look. Sunday, my wife Sandra took the bike to show Scott in the daylight. She came back rather upset with duct tape holding on the left side mirror. It seems that while pushing the bike back, she lost her footing on Scott's gravel driveway, and the bike went down against a parked car. OUCH! Popped off the left side mirror, and put some minor scratches in the windscreen (no noticable damage to the car). Scott, much to his amazement could not understand why nothing looked broken. He taped the mirror on so my wife could get home. After all of 15 minutes after her arival home, I had the mirror reattached, and some minor scuffes are all that have to be rubbed out. So all in all this weekend turned out not to bad as riding goes. Also, Does anyone on the list insure their bike thorough Cycle-Guard (underwritten by Geico Indemnity Co.) The reason is I'm curious about their "Sunny Day Riding Program" that provides coverage for riding on warm winter days. I'd like to know what, if any restrictions there are , and how the cost might compre to conventional insurance. In Northeast Ohio, every once in a while you do get lucky and I'm wondering if it is worthwhile. Enjoy the ride. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 13:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My Wife's Pants.... need washing. She has the Motoport pants, which she loves, and the literature that came with them say to follow the directions on the labels in the pants. No labels. Anybody know how to do this? I believe she has the Cordura II type. Thanks in advance for any help. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mskrocki@meldrum.com Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:35:05 est To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Sorry about "The Weather" Due to a malfunction with the server at work that I use for e-mail a number of versions of my "call Of The Weather" story were sent by accident. Sorry for any inconvenience this caused anyone. Mark Mark & Sandra Skrocki Shaker Hts., OH mskrocki@meldrum.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:44:11 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Cheryl L. Johnson" Subject: PC800 sound system Has anyone else received a mailing from K & J CYCLE SOUNDS? They're selling a sound system specifically for the PC800. I wonder how they got my name and address. Probably from the state registration office. Anyway, the system apparently is a personal stereo hooked up to speakers that are installed in the speaker cutouts on the bike. They claim 25 watts per channel. The price is $150.00 plus $9.95 S/H but if I order before Oct. 30, shipping and handling is FREE!!! (I would sell them for $9.95 and charge $150.00 for shipping, of course that would be in very fine print :) My bike has speakers, appear to be stock but there is a hole cut in the side of the trunk that isn't factory. I haven't given much thought to hooking them up. It seems I have enough to keep me occupied when riding without trying to tune the radio or flip a cassette! Speaking of riding a motorcycle, we just got back from a nice ride down along the beach and wound up in Deerfield Beach where there is a restaurant right on the beach next to the fishing pier. After a nice Mahi Mahi sandwich and a cup clam chowder, we took a stroll out to the end of the pier. It seems that the only thing caught was one of those diving seabirds that went after somebodys' bait. The weather was picture perfect. Does anyone have this problem: after the bike is has been ridden for a while and is warmed up and then shut down for a short time (45mins.) it doesn't start easily. I did have the bad habit of twisting the throttle while trying to start but realized after reading the owners manual that was wrong. Also, today while cranking, it had a small backfire. It did eventually start after about 20 seconds. I should mention that this is without any choke. the outside temp was in the 80's. As I stated in my intro, the bike was recently tuned (2000 miles ago). Anybody care to comment? This bike used to roar to life in a heartbeat. Bill ***Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.*** Anonymous pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:22:12 -0600 (CST) (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu); Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:21:39 -0500 29 Oct 1996 16:21:39 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Horn Subject: Sound Systems To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Original-encoded-information-types: IA5-Text P1-message-id: us*telemail*gov+treasury;9610291621512784500 UA-content-id: 609 96/10/29 X400-Trace: us*telemail*gov+treasury; Arrival 29 Oct 96 16:21 EST Action: Relayed P1-Recipients: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was surfing the web and found a site for RKA motorcycle luggage. They have come up with tank bags with the CYCLE COMM radio equipment in them. These bags look like they could fit most any bike. They are a little pricey, but CYCLE COMM has gotten a lot of good reviews, in the motorcycle mags. Here's the URL; http://www.rka-luggage.com/comms.html Happy surfing and Kawabonga. Jeff Horn ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:00:18 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Classifieds Juan A. Goula wrote: > Was that 9_k_ miles or 9 _miles_ ?!? In the electronics industry, "M" is indicative of a million of some unit, such as ohms, volts, etc. Therefore, it would appear that the PC in question has 9 million miles on the clock. Probably still doesn't burn any oil... ;) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the oak trees have launched a counter-offensive... Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ by fw.nmti.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 1996 00:05:26 -0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Hard-to-start PC To: clynnj@flinet.com (Cheryl L. Johnson) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:05:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ++ Does anyone have this problem: after the bike is has been ridden for a ++while and is warmed up and then shut down for a short time (45mins.) it doesn't ++start easily. I did have the bad habit of twisting the throttle while trying ++to start but realized after reading the owners manual that was wrong. Also, ++today while ++cranking, it had a small backfire. It did eventually start after about 20 ++seconds. ++I should mention that this is without any choke. the outside temp was in the ++80's. ++As I stated in my intro, the bike was recently tuned (2000 miles ago). Anybody ++care to comment? This bike used to roar to life in a heartbeat. ++ Bill Is your battery starting to go bad? When my OEM battery started to lose it after only 6 years of service (:)), the first thing I noticed was that it took longer to start than before. The electronic ignition in the PC seems especially sensitive to voltage drop. If the battery is okay, I would next look at my spark plugs. Tom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:36:33 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Cheryl L. Johnson" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800 sound system Cheryl L. Johnson wrote: > Does anyone have this problem: after the bike is has been ridden for a > while and is warmed up and then shut down for a short time (45mins.) it doesn't > start easily. I did have the bad habit of twisting the throttle while trying > to start but realized after reading the owners manual that was wrong. Also, > today while cranking, it had a small backfire. It did eventually start after about 20 seconds. PC's should start almost immediately: (This is what works for me from 22 degrees to 100 plus) 1) Stone cold: a) Choke b) No throttle 2) Off for several minutes to several hours: a) No choke b) Apply throttle *After* you hit starter. c) Apply choke if necessary to maintain stable idle. When all is well with a PC they *don't* backfire. One possibility is that the pilot air screws need adjustment. If it backfires while decelerating, the "Air Cut Off Valve" may have a problem. This valve richens up the mixture when decelerating under closed throttle to prevent backfires. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and the oak trees have launched a counter-offensive Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 02:29:23 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FW: Classifieds Juan A. Goula wrote: > Was that 9_k_ miles or 9 _miles_ ?!? Gary Kim wrote: In the electronics industry, "M" is indicative of a million of some unit, such as ohms, volts, etc. Therefore, it would appear that the PC in question has 9 million miles on the clock. My old latin teacher taught me that "m" or "mille" is latin for "thousand" as in "mcmxcvi." Perhaps the seller is a priest who only rode the PC to confession and back? Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Givi trunk, friend or foe? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 29 Oct 1996 22:54:26 -0600 Lines: 9 >>>>> "RP" == Roger Prince writes: RP> I have uploaded some pictures to Jason. For anyone that wants to check them out, they're up for FTP at ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/pc800/images/givi/. They're quite interesting; I really want to drop sume bucks now. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My Wife's Pants.... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 29 Oct 1996 22:59:26 -0600 Lines: 16 >>>>> "ADS" == Alan D Smith writes: ADS> She has the Motoport pants, which she loves, and the literature that ADS> came with them say to follow the directions on the labels in the ADS> pants. No labels. If they're built like an Aerostich suit, just throw them the washer with a little soap and warm water, after removing all of the pads. If they don't have Gore-Tex then you can be much less careful. Then tumble dry on low and iron with high steam, low heat. I like to blow half a can of heavy duty ScotchGuard (the green can, not the wimpy red can) after washing to make certain that I'm impervious to liquids. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:18:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My Wife's Pants.... Hi Alan: I've got one of Motoport's suits in Kevlar. The instructions for it say to use cold water and the gentle cycle. There is no requirement to remove the pads, but I usually do anyway to cut down on the bulk in the machine. They recommend simply hanging it up to dry. When it's dry, I also sometimes treat the suit with Scotchgard to enhance stain resistance (it also provides a little water beading on the surface in a light rain, but it won't interfere with the ability of the suit to flow air for ventilation). I suspect that with the pads out, a low-heat cycle in a dryer wouldn't hurt it, but before I did that, I'd check with Motoport (800 777-6499). As a matter of fact, I'd simply call them and get the straight word about the whole procedure. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ruf@nconnect.net Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:02:46 -0600 (CST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winterizing Fall has been great this year but the cold winds are a blowin' and it is time to put ORCA away for the winter. Since this is my first season with this bike, I am looking for suggestions from the "cold weather" residers as to how best to put the bike at rest for the winter. Winters in WI last for about 5 months. Since there is no apparent fuel shut-off, should I just add stabilizer to the gas and let it sit or do I attempt to drain the carbs. Also, what is the best way of dealing with the battery? Is it best to remove the battery and store it or leave it in the bike and recharge occasionally in the winter? Thanks for the help. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Vince Santamaria" To: , Subject: Re: Winterizing Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:46:01 -0500 Best tip for winterizing: MOVE SOUTH! ---------- > From: ruf@nconnect.net > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Winterizing > Date: Wednesday, October 30, 1996 9:02 AM > > Fall has been great this year but the cold winds are a blowin' and it is > time to put ORCA away for the winter. Since this is my first season with > this bike, I am looking for suggestions from the "cold weather" residers as > to how best to put the bike at rest for the winter. Winters in WI last for > about 5 months. Since there is no apparent fuel shut-off, should I just add > stabilizer to the gas and let it sit or do I attempt to drain the carbs. > Also, what is the best way of dealing with the battery? Is it best to remove > the battery and store it or leave it in the bike and recharge occasionally > in the winter? > > Thanks for the help. > > Bob > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Oct 96 10:53:43 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Lane Splitting Hi, Daan. You wrote: >Can you explain "lane-splitting" for someone who drove 3000 miles thru >California this year but never heard of it, let alone the legal aspects :-) "Lane-splitting" is the American term given to a practice which European motorcyclists (and many auto-drivers!) do so often and so naturally, you probably didn't bother giving it a name! That is, the practice of "sharing" a lane with automobiles in heavy traffic, so you can squeeze by and leave congestion behind. Here in CA, it is legal (as I understand it, and I'm sure someone else on the list will correct me if I'm wrong) under the following conditions: 1. On a freeway when traffic is moving less than 25 mph - you can legally pull into the "extra" space between the median-lane and the lane next to it, provided you don't travel more than 15 mph faster than traffic. My figures may be wrong, but the general idea is that you're allowed to "walk" past traffic when it is "crawling". Also, technically you can't really lane "split" - at any given time you have to be in one lane or the other (ie. can't ride the line) 2. At a traffic light, you can (slowly) pull up to the front of the queue. The story I hear is that Harley-Davidson riders successfully lobbied to make lane-splitting legal because the hot California weather causes their bikes to overheat in stop-and-go traffic! It's as good an explanation as any, but what do you expect when you put one cylinder directly behind the other, and don't have the sense to water-cool the thing! Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:46:28 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: My Wife's Pants.... At 10:59 PM 10/29/96 -0600, Jason wrote: >If they're built like an Aerostich suit, just throw them the washer with a >little soap and warm water, after removing all of the pads. If they don't >have Gore-Tex then you can be much less careful. Then tumble dry on low >and iron with high steam, low heat. Remember that the maker recommends that you run the suit through an entire second cycle *without* soap, to make sure all soap has been rinsed out. >I like to blow half a can of heavy duty ScotchGuard (the green can, not the >wimpy red can) after washing to make certain that I'm impervious to >liquids. Agreed. Now that 3M has so many different Scotchguard applications, use one of the "camping", "outdoors" or "marine" types. The one for leather works well on boots too. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:10:03 -0500 To: cf051@cleveland.freenet.edu, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My Wife's Pants.... I have the one piece Ultratreck Cordura II. It has a label giving washing instructions. Wash warm, rinse cold, hang up to dry. While it says you can wash it with the armor in, and I have done it, I don't recommend it. The armor floats and the suit doesn't wash as well that way. I recommend washing. It not only makes the suit cleaner, it makes it softer and much more comfortable. Good luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:05:22 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: ruf@nconnect.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing ruf@nconnect.net wrote: > ...I am looking for suggestions from the "cold weather" residers as > to how best to put the bike at rest for the winter. 1) Stabilize fuel at maximum recommended dosage for long term storage. Top off tank. 2) Do not drain float bowls. 3) Change oil and filter. 4) Remove battery, keep warm & cozy indoors and trickle charge every couple of weeks. 5) Put PC on center stand, then jack up front end so both tires are off the ground. 6) Grease control lever pivot points and bushings because you won't want to do it the first ridable day in spring... 7) Change any other fluids that will be due in spring *now*. See #6 above... 8) Pray we don't have a repeat of the winter of '95-'96... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:12:34 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Winterizing At 07:05 PM 10/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >2) Do not drain float bowls. Just a short note here. If you are not going to drain the float bowls you have to make _sure_ that they are full of the stabilized gasoline, otherwise it won't do any good. Since I've never figured out the time/distance needed to run the engine for this to happen, I do drain the carbs. It is quite easy, provided you have a looong, skinny flat-head screwdriver. FWIW. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 19:27:05 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing Juan A. Goula wrote: > Since I've never figured out the time/distance needed > to run the engine for this to happen, I do drain the carbs. I start running stabilized gas the last two or three weeks before the PC goes into hibernation. I ramp up the concentration until I'm at full dosage by the time I take my last couple of rides. This insures that the gas and stabilizer are well mixed. gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and why did Dennis Kirk send me a snowmobile catalog? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 5) Enterprise) id 0004B954; Wed, 30 Oct 96 13:34:51 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:29:19 -0800 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) Subject: I'll be back... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I just unsubscribed to the list on this address because I am changing jobs. I'll be back next week as rjackson@wrightstrat.com. Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: My New e-mail address Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 16:51:08 -0500 From: YourWorstNightMare To: "Jean T. Snowden" , "Jean T. Snowden" , "David Secor" , "Sam Rocco" , "Factory Pipe" , "Ralph Paxton" , "Jim Nissen" , "Lynda Lovell" , "Billy Koons" , "Tom Keeney" , "Bill Kay" , "Rich Hodges" , "Michael Good" , "Kent Fletcher" , "Jon Dickason" , "Joyce Campbell" , "Willis" , "TEMP" , "PC800 messages" , "MSD ignition" , "DO JANG" , " DentWizard" , , , , This is my new e-mail address. I no longer have an account with AOL or Hiwaay or InterQuest. dentman@ro.com by mail.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06828; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:07:49 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:07:16 -0500 From: Klassc To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winterizing Juan, How great is your Mountain Cat? Chris by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 30 Oct 1996 20:26:28 -0600 (CST) by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.7.6/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA09619 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:21:14 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:21:14 -0900 (AKST) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Winterizing To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:21:53 >To: klassc@webspan.net >From: "Juan A. Goula" >Subject: Re: Winterizing > >At 09:07 PM 10/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Juan, >> >>How great is your Mountain Cat? > Well Chris, it depends on what you define as great. 'Tis certainly a much better performer than the Panther. It has a 95 horsepower 580cc Twin ( I'd love to have that kind of power on the PC!) It is fuel injected, so I can kiss carb re-jets goodbye, and I had the dealer install a reverse kit. No lugging that pig around! It has a deep powder track, so there is less chance of getting stuck (at the expense of a little top speed, but hey...). Do you ride sleds? Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:39:01 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Juan A. Goula" CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: The Relevancy police never sleep... Juan A. Goula wrote: > Do you ride sleds? John Cleese (Of Monty Python fame) will now drop 16 ton weights on all perpetrators of non PC discussions... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and has anyone seen Dinsdale the hedgehog? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:45:33 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: The Relevancy police never sleep... At 09:39 PM 10/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >Juan A. Goula wrote: > >> Do you ride sleds? > >John Cleese (Of Monty Python fame) will now drop 16 ton weights on all perpetrators of non PC discussions... Ooops! A thousand pardons. This was supposed to go only to the individual who asked. But you have to admit, a 95 horsepower would be a kick in the pants! :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Juan A. Goula" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winterizing From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Oct 1996 23:10:30 -0600 Lines: 11 >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: JAG> Do you ride sleds? Well, does my PC count? Not much occasion for snowmobiles here in Houston, where we are finally going to see temperatures under 80 this weekend. You may yell at me if you wish. Winterizing to me means not bringing a towel to wipe away the excess sweat. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:14:28 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ray Nielsen CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing Ray Nielsen wrote: > A cold battery is less active, chemically speaking, and will self discharge less. It's an old wives tale > that it needs to be brought inside or that it can't survive in a cold place... Keeping the battery "warm & cozy" indoors is more for the benefit of its' owner, who has an aversion to doing anything in an unheated garage when the temp tries to break into single digits. When it gets that cold, we humans also tend to be "less active, chemically speaking"... gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and does anyone really read signature blocks? Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:20:57 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lane Splitting Hi Steve: Unless things have changed recently, there has never been any law on the books in California that specifically makes lane splitting "legal" or prescribes the speeds and conditions you cite. Rather, it is simply the case that there is no law in California that prohibits it--as there is (sadly) in most places here in the US. The CHP (and most local cops) have traditionally let bikers do it on the freeways, because it makes sense and is safer under slow-moving traffic situations. Bikers have in relatively recent years extrapolated this "priviledge" to the "surface" streets; however, some get cited for it--not for lane splitting per se but for reckless operation, etc--if they do it in too blatant a fashion. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:20:59 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winterizing Hi Bob: I recommend getting a "Battery Tender" to keep your battery up to full charge. Just hook it up and forget it whenever the bike is sitting there between rides--year round, but especially in the winter. It is money well spent. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:32:03 -0700 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winterizing >When it gets that cold, we >humans also tend to be "less active, chemically speaking"... What about staying in by the fire and consuming copious amounts of brandy? Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:31:12 +0100 (MET) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Winterizing Why winterizing? Why not ride all seasons? Ok sometimes it is not wise to go to work on your bike, but then I call a friend then we go together in his car. If the weather here in Holland stays resonable good I use the bike. What are float bowls? Gerard, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:51:49 -0800 From: Jon Berman To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lane Splitting JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Steve: > > Unless things have changed recently, there has never been any law on the > books in California that specifically makes lane splitting "legal" or > prescribes the speeds and conditions you cite. Rather, it is simply the case > that there is no law in California that prohibits it--as there is (sadly) in > most places here in the US. The CHP (and most local cops) have traditionally > let bikers do it on the freeways, because it makes sense and is safer under > slow-moving traffic situations. Bikers have in relatively recent years > extrapolated this "priviledge" to the "surface" streets; however, some get > cited for it--not for lane splitting per se but for reckless operation, > etc--if they do it in too blatant a fashion. > > JT You are absolutely correct. In addition to that, there is no mph over "the flow of traffic" for which you can be cited (I have often heard that 15mph over the flow of traffic is ok for lane-splitting). As stated above, you can be cited for such things as unsafe lane changes, reckless driving, etc. As long as your riding is safe and "reasonable" for present road conditions (basic speed law), you shouldn't have any problems. JON.. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Oct 96 14:44:36 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited Hi, all. I took my 89 PC into Huntington Beach Honda today for its 8,000 mile service, and to get the trunk wear-through problem resolved. Rick, the very helpful service manager (I'm not being sarcastic; he and HB Honda have excellent reputations, and I've enjoyed dealing with them) phoned Honda on my behalf. The Honda Regional Service Manager's story is this: - The bike has only a one-year warranty - The problem is due to the Dunlop K555 on my bike, which THEY CLAIM WAS NEVER OEM ON PC'S - Therefore, it's my problem (about $200 to replace the liner). I made the following counter-arguments: - While the warranty expiration is true enough, is there not a legal exception to this in the case of an obvious design defect? (Ie. the trunk liner was redesigned in 1990 with a little extra space for the tire; why else would Honda make this change?) - The K555 must be original - when I bought the bike last December, it had about 5,000 miles on the clock, and had K555's both front and rear. The front tire is fine, and the rear is about 75% worn. What are the chances that the original owner wore out BOTH front and rear tires in less than 5,000 miles, and replaced them both with K555's? I also showed Rick the print-outs of the PC800 archives from some of you folks who have had this problem, and had it resolved (for free) by Honda. No sale. Both Rick and the Honda Service Manager maintain that they have NEVER seen a PC with K555's as original equipment, and they have no knowledge of a "hidden warranty" or that Honda has officially acknowledged responsibility for this design defect (even though you can't even order a replacement 89 liner - the microfiche shows it has been "officially" replaced by the 90 version). Thank you for bearing with me on this long-winded message, but I had to vent to someone. Now, can anyone offer me proof that at least SOME 89 PCS WERE FITTED WITH K555's? I remember Juan Goula mentioning that this happened when they switched production lines to (or in) Japan. Does anyone have more info? Thanks! Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:38:14 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited At 02:44 PM 10/31/96 EST, you wrote: >Thank you for bearing with me on this long-winded message, but I had to vent to >someone. Now, can anyone offer me proof that at least SOME 89 PCS WERE FITTED >WITH K555's? I remember Juan Goula mentioning that this happened when they >switched production lines to (or in) Japan. Does anyone have more info? Yes. Cory bought his new '89 with K555's on it. That's why he refers to them as "shipping wheel protectors". My '90 also came from the factory with K555's FWIW. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG '90 Honda PC800\\'93 ArcticCat Panther DLX\\'96 ArcticCat EXT EFI Mountain Cat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:34:58 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Witzell To: PC800 Subject: Life's too short... Flame me if you must... but the archives search takes a dogs age!!!!!!! This group might be in need of a new tire recommendation survey. Please state you driving style and your tire experience. flame away Nick by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 31 Oct 1996 17:01:51 -0600 (CST) rt51-13.Rotterdam.NL.net [193.79.240.148] with SMTP for id AAA17834 (8.7.6/3.2); Fri, 01 Nov 1996 00:01:38 +0100 (MET) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 00:01:38 +0100 (MET) From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: FAQ To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Does anyone if there is a FAQ on this list? if so let me know and how I can read all about it. I am trying to setup a FAQ for our dutch page in English and Dutch. Thanks BTW is there any hope for us in Holland to get pictures of the new '97 model if so send them to me I will place them in my next update of our page. PLEASE SCAN PLEASE SCAN Thanks in advance Gerard Diepeveen, PCN ----------------------------------------------------- Gerard Diepeveen '89 White Pacific Coast Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://www.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'PC800 List'" , "'Steve Schibuola'" <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> Subject: RE: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:17:58 -0800 Steve, check here under PC Trivia. I talked to Honda America for a good half hour, pointing them to this article. They said much the same things, that they wanted a happy customer, that they couldn't guarantee every product for ever, long past warrantee, yada yada blah blah blah, then said "Have your dealer contact me". I took a copy of the article to the dealer, he contacted HA, called and asked when I could bring the bike in for a new trunk liner. At that point, my bike was about 4 years old, and the wear-thru was over 6 months old. I'm a very happy customer. Mat http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/index.html Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and go well with ketchup. >---------- >From: Steve Schibuola[SMTP:73414.466@CompuServe.COM] >Sent: Thursday, October 31, 1996 1:44 PM >To: PC800 List >Subject: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited > >Hi, all. I took my 89 PC into Huntington Beach Honda today for its 8,000 mile >service, and to get the trunk wear-through problem resolved. Rick, the very >helpful service manager (I'm not being sarcastic; he and HB Honda have >excellent >reputations, and I've enjoyed dealing with them) phoned Honda on my behalf. >The >Honda Regional Service Manager's story is this: > > - The bike has only a one-year warranty > > - The problem is due to the Dunlop K555 on my bike, which THEY CLAIM WAS >NEVER OEM ON PC'S > > - Therefore, it's my problem (about $200 to replace the liner). > >I made the following counter-arguments: > > - While the warranty expiration is true enough, is there not a legal >exception to this in the case of an obvious design defect? (Ie. the trunk >liner >was redesigned in 1990 with a little extra space for the tire; why else would >Honda make this change?) > > - The K555 must be original - when I bought the bike last December, it >had about 5,000 miles on the clock, and had K555's both front and rear. The >front tire is fine, and the rear is about 75% worn. What are the chances that >the original owner wore out BOTH front and rear tires in less than 5,000 >miles, >and replaced them both with K555's? > >I also showed Rick the print-outs of the PC800 archives from some of you >folks >who have had this problem, and had it resolved (for free) by Honda. No sale. >Both Rick and the Honda Service Manager maintain that they have NEVER seen a >PC >with K555's as original equipment, and they have no knowledge of a "hidden >warranty" or that Honda has officially acknowledged responsibility for this >design defect (even though you can't even order a replacement 89 liner - the >microfiche shows it has been "officially" replaced by the 90 version). > >Thank you for bearing with me on this long-winded message, but I had to vent >to >someone. Now, can anyone offer me proof that at least SOME 89 PCS WERE FITTED >WITH K555's? I remember Juan Goula mentioning that this happened when they >switched production lines to (or in) Japan. Does anyone have more info? > >Thanks! > >Steve > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winterizing From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:24:54 -0600 Lines: 25 >>>>> "GD" == Gerard Diepeveen writes: GD> Why winterizing? My question exactly. Why not move to Texas? There's room... GD> Why not ride all seasons? Well, the original message originated from Alaska. It's cold in Alaska. Arctic circle-type stuff. Unless you can mount skis, it isn't terribly safe to ride, since you can't stop on ice. GD> Ok sometimes it is not wise to go to work on your bike, but then I call GD> a friend then we go together in his car. I think that the poor friend would become an axe murderer after having to pick Juan up seven months out of the year. GD> What are float bowls? The part of the carburetor that acts as a measured fuel reservoir from which fuel is drawn. You don't want fuel to turn to varnish while the bike isn't being ridden, so some drain the bowls. Others add fuel stabilizer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:57:29 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited Steve Schibuola wrote: > Both Rick and the Honda Service Manager maintain that they have NEVER seen a PC > with K555's as original equipment,... '96 PC: K555 Dunlops OEM front and rear. ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats (one limping, one sneezing) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut - Hint: Nuke Plant 4 miles south of here... ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:18:05 -0500 From: Roger Prince To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: Trunk Wear-Through Revisited I don't know how you prove it but I have never seen nor heard of a PC coming from the factory with anything but K555s. I have had 2 90's and a '95, all came with K555s. They (Honda) don't admit to anything, do they? Good luck Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:42:54 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ray Nielsen CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing Ray Nielsen wrote: > If the single digits have a + in front of them it's okay to ride assuming no > underlying ice on the road. > Positives outweigh negatives unless you've had too much coffee before the ride. The only thing that keeps me from riding up till the first snow are hands going numb. Throttle hand goes first (accident 25 years ago, the drunk driver won) The few electric gloves I've tried didn't have enough dexterity for my liking. (I've yet to find someone who has a pair of Widders' to try) My torso and limbs are good for about 50 - 60 miles without electrics down to about 30 degrees. (First Gear Kilimanjaro jacket w/Nevada touring pants adds about 15 lb. to GWWR...) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and no snow until '97 (yeah, right...) Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:01:53 -0500 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: vierhel@ibm.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Winterizing vierhel@ibm.net wrote: > ...have you ever tried "hippo-hands" or the like? You have to work the controls blind,... I've heard the name before but never knew exactly what they were. Sounds interesting. If one needs to look at the controls, it's time to start using public transportation ;) gk ________________________________________________________________________ '96 PC, 2 Cats and I said only *one* hour on the net tonight...*not* Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Oct 96 22:38:45 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: GIVI Interested in the GIVI rack and top box for your Honda Pacific Coast? I recommend it heartily! I have extra copies of a GIVI brochure...send me your snail-mail address and I will be glad to mail you one.. ********************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001SU HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 71430.340@CompuServe.com 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ********************************************************** "Of all the thing that I've lost, I miss my mind the most!" **********************************************************