********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 Sep 96 07:39:19 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: One flaming response I have a question...some time ago I sent the following message, to which I received one flaming response. This person objected very vigorously to receiving it as an "unsolicited commercial." >>>For those of you on Compuserve, I wanted you to know about a neat spell-checker software available. >>>It's called WinCIM Spell-Checker Add-On software, and it's a blessing for this old fossil! >>>Type Go ASPELL to get complete information and to download the software. >>>There is a one-time charge of $19.97...there are no connect charges. >>>Try it...you'll like it...I do! >>>Dana Sawyer My only connection with Compuserve is as a subscriber. I considered this just a positive recommendation in the same manner that I would recommend tires, oil, helmet, riding suit, etc. to others. Was I wrong in thinking this way? I'd be interested in how others feel about this. I certainly did not mean to offend anyone when I sent the message. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:24:17 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: PC QUIZ # 2 Refer to PC Quiz #1 Answer was/ is.: "a loose 'ICM' connection" No winners. Quiz 2: 2 Part. Part 1. Whatsa 'ICM'? Where's it? What's it do? Part 2. Tachometer problem persisits [hunting, jumping...] without relation to engine speed. Bike runs ok; or seems to 140 miles after 'repair'. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:31:47 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: GIVI TOP BOX It came fast, and is installed ....VERY, very nice quality {E460}. Simple install. Sanitary! All metal rack/mounting. Nice finish. Swallows 2 hats. Looks like it belongs on the bike. Sturdy. She [Karen] is happy. I'm happy,,,, and I'M fussy as hell. If you've been considering....DO IT. You won't be sorry. An unsolicited testimonial. { hi roger!} FWIW Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 09:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Roger Prince cc: "Gary E. Klim" , PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: hi Yes it is an 89 but what year would the T be? Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > My '90 says PC800L and '95 says PC800S. Is K '89? Looks like a year > sequence. > > Roger > > > ---------- > > From: Gary E. Klim > > To: Barre' > > Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group > > Subject: Re: hi > > Date: Saturday, August 31, 1996 10:16 PM > > > > Barre' wrote: > > >On the inside of the gas tank cover where it tells about the paint > number and such > > >it says my bike is a PC800K any idea what the K means? > > > > Well, to muddy the waters further yet, that same label on my PC says it's > a > > PC-800T... Go figure. > > > > gk > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: > > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Mike Dempsey cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Mike, We still have mostly 55 mph speed limits around here and of course I stay strictly within the limit (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). Actually the PC has no prob whatsoever with 75mph 2 up. Actually it has no prob with 80 or 85 2 up for that matter. I ran 2 up from here (suburban DC) to Altoona PA year before last at 85-90 mph trying to out run a storm. Not to mention if you do less than 70 on the beltway around here or on Interstate 95 you'll get run over. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Mike Dempsey wrote: > I have a question to PC800 owners. > > How does the Pacific Coast do with the new 75 mph speed limit? Can the > motorcycle carry two up at this speed? > > Another question I have is the mounting of a GIVI topcase to the PC800. I > have seen pictures of one somewhere on the Internet, and GIVI sent me some > literature regarding their topcase, but they didn't give much information > about the modifications involved with this. > > I am on my 3rd motorcycle in 3 years, and have longed to purchase a Pacific > Coast. Any information about a PC800 would be greatly appreaciated. Thank You! > > Sincerely, > > Michael W. Dempsey > mik@dakota.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 10:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Re: One flaming response Dana, If trying to be helpful to others got you a flame then the person who sent it should just be ignored. If you had said "send me $19.95" then that would have deserved a flame. Working in the computer field I get questions about just the type of thing you tried to inform people about all the time so I actually stashed that bit of info in my resources list that I use to refer our users at work to. So, just blow it off! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On 1 Sep 1996, Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > I have a question...some time ago I sent the following message, to which I > received one flaming response. This person objected very vigorously to receiving > it as an "unsolicited commercial." > > >>>For those of you on Compuserve, I wanted you to know about a neat > spell-checker software available. > > >>>It's called WinCIM Spell-Checker Add-On software, and it's a blessing for > this old fossil! > > >>>Type Go ASPELL to get complete information and to download the software. > > >>>There is a one-time charge of $19.97...there are no connect charges. > > >>>Try it...you'll like it...I do! > > >>>Dana Sawyer > > My only connection with Compuserve is as a subscriber. I considered this just a > positive recommendation in the same manner that I would recommend tires, oil, > helmet, riding suit, etc. to others. Was I wrong in thinking this way? > > I'd be interested in how others feel about this. I certainly did not mean to > offend anyone when I sent the message. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 10:22:55 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: bmckenna@mint.net Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC QUIZ # 2 Bill McKenna wrote: > Part 1. Whatsa 'ICM'? Where's it? What's it do? > Part 2. Tachometer problem persisits [hunting, jumping...] without > relation to engine speed. Bike runs ok; or seems to 140 miles after > 'repair'. Being too lazy at the moment to get the service manual, I'll guess that ICM stands for Ignition Cutoff Module. This is the device that monitors the position of side stand, clutch engagement switch and gear position while doing its' best to keep you from hurting yourself... I won't try to second guess the tach problem without looking at the manual, so I'll pass on part 2 for now. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:12:26 -0400 To: bmckenna@mint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC QUIZ # 2 In a message dated 96-09-01 09:03:47 EDT, bmckenna@mint.net (Bill McKenna) writes: << Quiz 2: 2 Part. Part 1. Whatsa 'ICM'? Where's it? What's it do? >> If my memory serves correctly, the ICM stands for the Inter Connecting Module which could be found in the engine room of the Starship Enterprise. This was the piece that, when disconnected, prevented Scotty from defying the laws of physics, Cap'n. Its chief function was, and still is, to show up in trivia questions from time to time. I'm pretty sure I've got this one right. Mark Wendt MarWendt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "Barre Bull" , "Roger Prince" Cc: "Gary E. Klim" , "PC-800 E-Mail Group" Subject: Re: hi Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 11:37:55 -0400 '96 ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: Barre Bull > To: Roger Prince > Cc: Gary E. Klim ; PC-800 E-Mail Group > Subject: Re: hi > Date: Sunday, September 01, 1996 9:58 AM > > Yes it is an 89 but what year would the T be? > > Barre' > > Barre' Bull > Network Systems Engineer > Information Systems > Prince George's Community College > > > On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > > > My '90 says PC800L and '95 says PC800S. Is K '89? Looks like a year > > sequence. > > > > Roger > > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Gary E. Klim > > > To: Barre' > > > Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group > > > Subject: Re: hi > > > Date: Saturday, August 31, 1996 10:16 PM > > > > > > Barre' wrote: > > > >On the inside of the gas tank cover where it tells about the paint > > number and such > > > >it says my bike is a PC800K any idea what the K means? > > > > > > Well, to muddy the waters further yet, that same label on my PC says it's > > a > > > PC-800T... Go figure. > > > > > > gk > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: > > > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > -- > > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 21:58:12 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New PC800 site To all There is a new Pacific Coast 800 site it is located in the Netherlands, and its location is: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm and it's site master is G.Diepeveen E-MAIL G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 22:00:20 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New PC800 site To all There is a new Pacific Coast 800 site it is located in the Netherlands, and its location is: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm and it's site master is G.Diepeveen E-MAIL G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 17:00:48 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Multiple Copies Is anyone else experiencing the problem of receiving multiple copies of some postings? I have received as many as four or five copies of some postings. Clint CGreenwlt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 17:08:39 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: New PC-800 Page In Netherlands Just visited the new PC-800 page in the Netherlands. Very nice, but until they get it translated into English I'll just have to check out the pictures... Talk about new, I was visitor #17! http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 14:24:23 -0700 (MST) To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Multiple Copies At 17:00 9/1/96 -0400, CGreenwlt@aol.com wrote: >Is anyone else experiencing the problem of receiving multiple copies of some >postings? I have received as many as four or five copies of some postings. > > >Clint >CGreenwlt@aol.com > Yes, and they are very often just a minute or two apart. Yes, and they are very often just a minute or two apart. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: CGreenwlt@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Multiple Copies From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 Sep 1996 17:39:58 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "C" == CGreenwlt writes: C> Is anyone else experiencing the problem of receiving multiple copies of C> some postings? I have received as many as four or five copies of some C> postings. Um, folks, there's an address at the bottom of every message telling you where to report problems. If the list is malfunctionong, why send a message to the list to see why it's malfunctioning? It's like calling the phone company to see why your phone isn't working. If you want to report duplicated messages, I need copies of the full headers of every duplicate. In the only case of repeating messages I can see, it was actually sent to the list multiple times, though I don't know why. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem somewhere, but I can't tell where it's coming from. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:43:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Helmet radio, final report! Here is the results of my ride using the radio shack 49mhz radio. It worked O.K. for normal city driving, but was unable to handle the noise of the freeway traffic when it came to transmitting. The other riders could only hear a muffled transmission of sound, and no discernable words. When we finally exited the freeway (expressway to all of you Easterners :) ) the other rider (Johan) could hear me again, as before we got on the freeway. Therefore, the radio shack transceiver does not get the official recommendation for Helmet Radio of the Year (or the week for that matter!!) It will make a good second radio however, for my passenger, as it receives very well. On the 49 mhz question, although there is some interference from other sources in the city, we all found that it is really a minor annoyance. (It's kinda' fun, if you like listening in to a few seconds of WHAT DID THEY SAY!! :) ) I'll be looking at buying another 49 mhz radio that is compatible with what the rest of our little So. Cal. group is using, and Harrison Spain, said he is going to check prices on his Chatterbox, and I'll also check prices on the Maxon. I would like to keep the price below $100. I can always use my Radio Shack radio, until I can find the right price, but that makes me more of a listener than a participant. (of course, at times, I've been accused of being a bit of a "chatterbox" myself! :) ) I hope this info has been helpful! Happy riding, Phil pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 01 Sep 1996 17:19:53 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 17:15:32 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >How does the Pacific Coast do with the new 75 mph speed limit? Can the >motorcycle carry two up at this speed? More than enough power! I ride two up all the time and running at 85, it still has power to spare. My Triumph Bonnie would accellerate well but get unstable around 90 mph. On the PC800, you can ride with one hand at 90 mph ;-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:16:49 -0400 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: First days on the 96 PC... welcome to the fold Chris, send your stats so I can add you to the mailing list info sheet. Where do you live in WI? I'm in Chicago. Z (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 21:28:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 21:44:40 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: hey barre hey barre...I put some goodies in my folder for you to see! The netherlands page looks pretty good, gang...lets get on the ball!!!! -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:18 -0400 To: 103342.3616@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Where's Cory??? Where did Cory move to in Ohio and why? Inquiring minds want to know..... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:25 -0400 To: fisher@hiwaay.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lawyers only (sorry) Rick, you are a mad man. You live in the South. WHy in the hell would you need to go to Canada to buy a damn BOAT!!!! Z PS What's an "R/C" boat? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:24 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Throttlemeister Cruise Control I've got exactly what you describe on my ride. Got it from Bob's BMW in MD. cost about $90, stainless, got a matching bar end for the the left side as well. It works great as long as it's not wet. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:23 -0400 To: _spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clock and Voltmeter I have asked for the same thing and looked to no avail. I really wanted a combination voltmeter/oil pressure gauge. I guy in OR said that there is an aftermarket (natch) oil pressure sending unit the screws on to the oil filter housing. He wasn't sure if there was enough clearance on the PC for it to work but... what did you find? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:25 -0400 To: mik@server1.dakota.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 In a message dated 96-08-31 21:53:56 EDT, mik@server1.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey) writes: << How does the Pacific Coast do with the new 75 mph speed limit? Can the motorcycle carry two up at this speed? >> Wellllll, I've had mine, fully laden, two up, goin' 85 mph for as long as I wanted. 95 for as long as she wanted. Single, unladen top speed of 105mph at 7000 rpm in 5th Just an FYI Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:15:22 -0400 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk Recall In a message dated 96-08-22 20:03:26 EDT, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: << This is bull. The liner/tire design is what did it, specifically the Dunlop K555 which they put on the PC as a result of the production line move to Japan. The K177 does just fine. >> Juan, Are you sure about this? I replaced the original tire on my '94 (which was a 177) with a 555. Am I missing something? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:36:29 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: PC QUIZ # 2 Bill writes: > Part 1. Whatsa 'ICM'? Where's it? What's it do? >> I can't find any reference to it in the service manual. And anyway, the tachometer has no connection with the turn signal system; the speedometer does by a rotation sensor. But, they're both in the dash unit. Two guesses: 1. They mean the dash unit, referring to it as an Instrument Cluster Module -- except that Honda's name for it is the "Combination Meter." 2. They call any box with a connector and wires an "ICM" which, years ago, used to stand for Integrated Circuit Module. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 07:30:40 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Hi! My name is Mica Landry. I am a veterinarian in southern Louisiana, and am looking for a good used PC to ride; I plan to use it on house calls so that I can increase my riding time. If anyone has info on a bike in the Louisiana area, please let me know. Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: PILEWIS@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Helmet radio, final report! Phil, Nope not expressway in the east...maybe beltway? We do tend to be semi-civilized on the right coast. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College httpd://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: > finally exited the freeway (expressway to all of you Easterners :) ) the > > Happy riding, > > Phil > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:45:07 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Double Mail On the discussion of double mail, I may have found why we sometimes get more than one mail message. (I apologize if someone else has already mentioned this!) On my last mail that was repeated, the first e-mail was from Barre' addressed to me, and the repeat seems to be from pc800.hpc.uh.edu. (I've copied the first part of the mail path below.) It doesn't seem to be a big problem, but I think there will always be two copies, one the addressee, and one to the general group. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------- The following two headers are the ones I copied from my last duplicate e-mails: ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >From bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us Mon Sep 2 08:57:18 1996 by emin09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA08265 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:57:17 -0400 ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- emin28.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA23305; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:03:20 -0400 sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09179; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:02:09 -0500 (CDT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------- I hope this helps with a little bit of the mystery. Happy riding, Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Double Mail From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Sep 1996 16:06:48 -0500 Lines: 24 >>>>> "P" == PILEWIS writes: P> On my last mail that was repeated, the first e-mail was from Barre' P> addressed to me, and the repeat seems to be from pc800.hpc.uh.edu. P> (I've copied the first part of the mail path below.) It doesn't seem to P> be a big problem, but I think there will always be two copies, one the P> addressee, and one to the general group. If the message is sent to both a person and the mailing list, the person will get two copies if the person is on the mailing list. It will always be this way, and in fact it's supposed to be this way. (The mailing list could be down or slow or whatever, so a separate copy ensures the delivery of a reply.) There are downsides to this, mainly that a person gets two copies, and the exact behavior is completely dependent on the particular mail software that a person is using to reply. (Which, of course, I have no control over.) Now, if my software is malfunctioning I do want to know about it. I did write it (at least some of it), after all, and as it may become my masters' thesis or at least warrant a paper I have a genuine interest in fixing it. But please send problem reports to me at pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu and not to the whole list. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:11:48 -0700 (MST) To: bmckenna@mint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: GIVI TOP BOX Bill, How can one obtain or view a photograph of this beast? Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com -------------------------------- Reply Separator -------------------------- At 17:31 8/31/96 -0500, Bill McKenna wrote: >It came fast, and is installed ....VERY, very nice quality {E460}. >Simple install. Sanitary! > >All metal rack/mounting. Nice finish. Swallows 2 hats. Looks like it >belongs on the bike. Sturdy. > >She [Karen] is happy. > > >I'm happy,,,, and I'M fussy as hell. If you've been considering....DO >IT. You won't be sorry. > >An unsolicited testimonial. { hi roger!} > >FWIW > >Bill > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| deselms@mailhost.net | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Four more years! ----> http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:26:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 00:42:57 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Alex Moreano , "alfred!rasorl!ras@osceola.cs.ucf.edu" , "BillyLaw@aol.com" , "Carol J. Stein" <100261.2254@compuserve.com>, David Funderburk , "Don SongDoc)" <" songdoc"@micronet.net>, epgross , Eric Matthews , James Gentry , "Jeffrey C. Burka" , "KScott2784@aol.com" , Leanna , "Ozzz1@aol.com" , pc800 , "Pleides@aol.com" , Randy , "Ricnichols@aol.com" , Steve Gross , "wetleather@onpmomma.isc-br.com" , "WileEDude@aol.com" Subject: yippe hi friends and family. I'm not bored any more. check out the new www pages! Lots of new photos (be patient while they load), lots of cute links (clik everywhere), and a surprize or two. There are two links that need fixing that I know of (the BMI one, and one mtcyl one..) If ya find anything else....let me know. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 03 Sep 96 09:16:08 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Best Comeback Bike - PC800 Pacific Coast The October issue of Cycle World listed the "Ten Rest Bikes of 1996." The Honda PC800 Pacific Coast was listed as the "Best Comeback Bike." Here's what they said about it: "Originally marketed to yuppies as the ultimate loft accessory, the poor PC proved as popular as a pimple on prom night. It went bye-bye for a couple of years, then was reintroduced without much fanfare. Guess what? People have rediscovered the bike for what it is: a uniquely styled, comfortable all-rounder with luggage capacity that puts everything this side of a Gold Wing to shame. File this under "Revenge of the Super Scooter." I plan to write cycle World staffer David Edwards (who wrote the article) to thank him for including our "soap dish!" Just wanted the rest of you to read about it! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: CGreenwlt@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Multiple Copies I often receive double copies, but not more than that. Most, but not all of them, are from Dana Sawyer and Roger Prince. On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 CGreenwlt@aol.com wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing the problem of receiving multiple copies of some > postings? I have received as many as four or five copies of some postings. > > > Clint > CGreenwlt@aol.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:29:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: trip - Atlanta to Chicago Returned from my trip - picked up my new (used) PC in Atlanta and drove it home to Chicago. Arrived in Atlanta via American Airlines 9:30am Saturday. Hopped on MARTA to the owner's house - arrived there approx 11:00am. No surprise - the owner was having second thoughts - offered to pay for my round trip if I get back on a plane and forget the whole thing. Seemed genuine as we had agreed on price days ago. Got on 285 to 75 to Chattanooga to 24 west through Nashville to 41 north. Also known as Penneyrile Parkway - great piece of road. Brand new and no one on it. Spent the night in Evansville, IN. First day miles - 360. Hit the road at 7am Sunday - more awesome road - 41 north - through Hammond and on to Chicago - about 325 miles. Here's my comments regarding the PC: Positives - * easily cruises at 75mph * powerful up hills, in fact - tons O'power * easy to handle Negatives- * I think the wind screen may be inadequate - I have the stock shield. A lot of baffling. * Sporty riding position. I found myself a little to far forward, possibly to duck under the wind screen. My shoulders were tired after the 200 mile mark. I'm curious about the tall wind screen. I'm 5'8" and at about 60mph and up the wind appears to hit me square in the face. Those of you with the tall screen - how does it work for you? I think if it solves the baffling problem, the riding position (at lerast for me) will fall into place. I took the bike out last night for a cruise around Chicago. The bike was simply perfect. Bear in mind you can't break 55 in the city without endangering yourself. Took it out on Lake Shore Drive but heavily patroled - not wise over 55mph. Please write me concerning the screen. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:38:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Netherlands - pc page Accidently deleted the address for the PC page in the Netherlands. Any one - can you please forward it to me? thanks. 94 PC800 8400 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Smcavin@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: trip - Atlanta to Chicago Check out a Corbin seat for that thing...lets you adjust the riding position forward or back. For me (5'10") forward puts me up alittle straighter for long distance, back gets me down under the windshield for playing at hi speed. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > Returned from my trip - picked up my new (used) PC in Atlanta and drove it > home to Chicago. > Arrived in Atlanta via American Airlines 9:30am Saturday. Hopped on MARTA to > the owner's house - arrived there approx 11:00am. No surprise - the owner was > having second thoughts - offered to pay for my round trip if I get back on a > plane and forget the whole thing. Seemed genuine as we had agreed on price > days ago. Got on 285 to 75 to Chattanooga to 24 west through Nashville to 41 > north. Also known as Penneyrile Parkway - great piece of road. Brand new and > no one on it. Spent the night in Evansville, IN. First day miles - 360. > Hit the road at 7am Sunday - more awesome road - 41 north - through Hammond > and on to Chicago - about 325 miles. > Here's my comments regarding the PC: > Positives - > * easily cruises at 75mph > * powerful up hills, in fact - tons O'power > * easy to handle > > Negatives- > * I think the wind screen may be inadequate - I have the stock shield. A lot > of baffling. > * Sporty riding position. I found myself a little to far forward, possibly to > duck under the wind screen. My shoulders were tired after the 200 mile mark. > > I'm curious about the tall wind screen. I'm 5'8" and at about 60mph and up > the wind appears to hit me square in the face. Those of you with the tall > screen - how does it work for you? I think if it solves the baffling problem, > the riding position (at lerast for me) will fall into place. > > I took the bike out last night for a cruise around Chicago. The bike was > simply perfect. Bear in mind you can't break 55 in the city without > endangering yourself. Took it out on Lake Shore Drive but heavily patroled - > not wise over 55mph. > > Please write me concerning the screen. Thanks. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: trip - Atlanta to Chicago Hi (no name), I'm about 3/4" taller than you and I have the Hondaline tall screen (I replaced the stock because of the same complaints you have). The tall screen provides good protection and quietness. It's not only taller, but also wider. The downside is that you will look through it. There have been some posts on this list that their's distorted things. I have had mine for over four years and 60K miles and I haven't found that to be so, but I would much prefer to look over it. You should find a lot in the archives regarding screens. I've read most of them as they were posted, and the consensus seems to be that the RIFLE screen is better than the HONDALINE. You would need the 20" version to look over, and the 22" to look through (also comes in 24" and 26" I'm quite certain). I'm considering getting a 20", but according to a recent post, it does not eliminate noise as much as the HONDALINE does. So, you pays your money, and you takes your choice. Ideally, you could find PCs with each (I'm looking) and finagle a ride. Good luck. Richard Hardy On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > > I'm curious about the tall wind screen. I'm 5'8" and at about 60mph and up > the wind appears to hit me square in the face. Those of you with the tall > screen - how does it work for you? I think if it solves the baffling problem, > the riding position (at lerast for me) will fall into place. > > Please write me concerning the screen. Thanks. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 08:53:15 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, CGreenwlt@aol.com Subject: Re: Multiple Copies I am receiving 2 each copies at present time, but it is not on all messages. Only about 35% of them. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Multiple Copies Author: CGreenwlt@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Is anyone else experiencing the problem of receiving multiple copies of some postings? I have received as many as four or five copies of some postings. Clint CGreenwlt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:40:54 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: trip - Atlanta to Chicago Before spending a lot of money on the large Honda windscreen/dashmelter or the recommended Rifle, I suggest tou try a $25. stick-on rubber spoiler. Works for me at 5'6". It is '89, right? Roger > Negatives- > * I think the wind screen may be inadequate - I have the stock shield. A lot > of baffling. > * Sporty riding position. I found myself a little to far forward, possibly to > duck under the wind screen. My shoulders were tired after the 200 mile mark. > > I'm curious about the tall wind screen. I'm 5'8" and at about 60mph and up > the wind appears to hit me square in the face. Those of you with the tall > screen - how does it work for you? I think if it solves the baffling problem, > the riding position (at lerast for me) will fall into place. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "PC 800 Group" Subject: Honda windshields Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:25:49 -0500 Does anyone know if Honda has admitted its windshields are bad and if so are they offering refunds? Jeff Hopkins ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TAZ834@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:32:59 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: help Friend has a PC800 that he claims rides "like it's on a graded road". He doesn't seem comfortable with the feel of the bike. He's owned several previous motorcycles and was wondering if this is a characteristic of this bike? The bike has only 3500 miles. He's checked the steering stem bearings, tires, and forks. Everything seems in order. Have any ideas? Thanks for your help. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Jeff Hopkins Cc: PC 800 Group Subject: Re: Honda windshields What's bad about them? On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Jeff Hopkins wrote: > Does anyone know if Honda has admitted its windshields are bad and if so > are they offering refunds? > > Jeff Hopkins > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: TAZ834@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: help Is he riding on graded roads? Just kidding - It is NOT characteristic of the PC. On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 TAZ834@aol.com wrote: > Friend has a PC800 that he claims rides "like it's on a graded road". > He doesn't seem comfortable with the feel of the bike. He's owned several > previous motorcycles and was wondering if this is a characteristic of this > bike? The bike has only 3500 miles. He's checked the steering stem > bearings, tires, and forks. Everything seems in order. Have any ideas? > Thanks for your help. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Garbacik To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: GL500I vs. GL1000 vs. PC800 Hi! I returned to motorcycling after a 20 year or so histus, and have been lurking here for a month or so. Have a question: I ended up with a 1982 GL500I, the SilverWing. Really like the bike EXCEPT in the wind. With a wind of over about 14 mph, or gusts in that area, it feels like somebody has a hand on the top of the fairing, pushing. Did all the normal stuff (tire pressure, fork pressure, steering head bearings, etc.) Rode a friend's GL1000 (fairing, no bags) and had no problem wiht the wind, but it is huge. Friend said mine was squirrely in the wind. Have searched the archives, and noticed a thread on this subject in the past, but didn't see anything definitive. So . . . how does the PC800 compare with the other two bikes when riding in the wind? I'm not really excited about selling the Silver and going for the Gold. Would a PC be an alternative? I like a fairing and storage capacity on a bike. TIA for any comments! Tom Tom Garbacik VOX 1 541 750-8708 Facilities Manager FAX 1 541 750-8705 USDA-ARS CEL 1 541 740-7928 3320 NW Orchard garbacit@ucs.orst.edu Corvallis, Oregon 97330 This is my account; the Government doesn't pay for it and disavows any knowledge of it, my actions and at times my existance. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:25:48 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: GL500I vs. GL1000 vs. PC800 Tom: If you check the archive, search engine http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/ for threads "Vague Steering" "auto-crosswind" you'll see extensive discussion of the PC's excellent crosswind behaviour. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 20:14:19 +0000 From: "E.Y. MurphEY" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: nj-cycles@dnrc.bell-labs.com Subject: OUCH! so the baby did a fall and ouch! quicker that you can say oil-slicked metal cover, or ball-bearings or what the F**k was that ...that ..that so here's another one for the lookoutfors... dry road, intersection, low sun off to the right, good visibility recently inspected tires (enough tread), good brakes and driving skills that has avoided this embarassment for many miles well surprise it was my schooling day clear thin plastic sheeting that blends into the surface of the road... I really didn't see it, BUT pow applying the front and back brakes in the right proportion to stop at the intersection at 15 mph brakes working whoooooosh on my side lost I breakaway mirror and skuffed gaurd small road rub through the leather WHAT was that! you see, while the tire front started to stop of the lead edge of this plastic , the back wheel rolled a little further onto the plastic and the whole 534 lbs are sliding on 1 mill of camoflouged plastic think ice-like on a sheet so be careful, regardless how much plastic you have on your bike it ready is not a good idea to missing seeing that stopping in plastic needs some special talents that need to be laerned OUCH...I haven't learned yet! -- E.Y. MurphEY... ey@forum.swarthmore.edu Math Ed. Haverford School District voice:610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 Fax:610-789-1445 '94 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 [lifer] HSTA#6485su HRCA#HM211432 Within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:50:14 -0700 (MST) To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Multiple Copies At 08:53 9/3/96 PST, Wanda Bailie wrote: > I am receiving 2 each copies at present time, but it is not on all > messages. Only about 35% of them. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 > > Exactly! That's my experience as well. I normally get one copy of each posting from the list server from 60 to 80 percent of the time. That's as it should be. I get two copies when the writer is replying directly to me -- one from him/her and one from the list server. And that's also as it should be. But about one-fifth to one-third of the time, I get two copies, BOTH from the list server (I've checked the headers) for now apparent reason and they're typically about two minutes apart. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'TAZ834@aol.com'" Subject: RE: help Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:06:31 -0700 Perhaps the rear suspension needs some adjustments. I've found I hate the softest setting -- the bike feels flat energywise. At the most rigid setting it's hard as a rock riding one up. Only use that when 2-up with camping gear. Generally I use the 2nd softest setting with my 165lb weight. You mention he's looked at the front of the bike (bearings, fork, etc.) so this is where he notices the problem?. No/low fork oil? Also I imagine bent forks would cause things to bind and react poorly. Warped front rotor(s)? -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:34:34 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: Tom Garbacik CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GL500I vs. GL1000 vs. PC800 Tom, The PC-800 is very stable in nearly all conditions. I've ridden in some fairly stiff crosswinds, 20-30mph, and it has performed well. The only thing that does happen however, with the fully enclosed bodywork, it does grab all that wind, and it causes a noticeable lean into the wind. That lean is the proper thing in wind, as it keeps the center of gravity in the best place for stability. It takes some getting used to, but it is OK to ride even in fairly gusty conditions, if you just let the bike lean the way it wants to, and don't fight it. This phenomena is present in most unfaired bikes too, but most of the air is allowed to pass through, so it is not as pronounced. The only conditions that I have had that have caused problems, is with a gusty crosswind that catches the windshield from the rear quadrant, and makes it act as a sail. It can get a bit squirely. I usually drop my shoulder into the wind so as to limit my body's ability to catch air in really bad conditions. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast, 24k Miles Tom Garbacik wrote: > > Hi! > > I returned to motorcycling after a 20 year or so histus, and have been > lurking here for a month or so. Have a question: > > I ended up with a 1982 GL500I, the SilverWing. Really like the bike > EXCEPT in the wind. With a wind of over about 14 mph, or gusts in that > area, it feels like somebody has a hand on the top of the fairing, > pushing. Did all the normal stuff (tire pressure, fork pressure, > steering head bearings, etc.) > > Rode a friend's GL1000 (fairing, no bags) and had no problem wiht the > wind, but it is huge. Friend said mine was squirrely in the wind. > > Have searched the archives, and noticed a thread on this subject in the > past, but didn't see anything definitive. > > So . . . how does the PC800 compare with the other two bikes when riding > in the wind? I'm not really excited about selling the Silver and going > for the Gold. Would a PC be an alternative? I like a fairing and > storage capacity on a bike. > > TIA for any comments! > Tom > > Tom Garbacik VOX 1 541 750-8708 > Facilities Manager FAX 1 541 750-8705 > USDA-ARS CEL 1 541 740-7928 > 3320 NW Orchard garbacit@ucs.orst.edu > Corvallis, Oregon 97330 > > This is my account; the Government doesn't pay for it and disavows any > knowledge of it, my actions and at times my existance. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:46:24 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 20:54:20 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: News homepage] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: News homepage Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 22:27:17 -0700 From: G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net To: dkgross@halcyon.com News on hompage, next friday I hope to update my page with new English pages, but there wil be more. I just want more from your side of the globe, for example stories, tips, triks ect, and I am still waiting for a story about the history of the Pacific Coast Netherlands that has to be translated. If you have anything send it, pictures also (small ones please) tell your friends about it I did put a link to your pages, and I did pay a visit, looks great until than HAPPY TOURING Gerard Diepeveen from Rotterdam the Netherlands -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:18:18 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cough - cough, sputter - sputter Hi, Gang, Had a unique experience yesterday when I started up The Baby for a ride. She was misfiring terribly. Backfiring, sputtering, stalling.... and after about 5 minutes of that....complete normalcy. OK, all you mechanical guru's out there, what the heck happened? She just got a tune-up three thousand miles ago. The only thing I could think of was that I got gas twice the day before at stations I don't ordinarily use. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cough - cough, sputter - sputter I think you've pinpointed it, Alan, it's probably the gas. In my 47 years of driving, that's happened both with bikes and cars and it's always been water in the gas - nothing to worry about. If it wasn't a little water, it would not have cleared up on it's own. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:53:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind screen The results of my question regarding wind screens , judging from all the reponses I received - favors the Rifle shield. However, does any one know the size of the stock shield? I measured from the top of the grill (over the headlamp) to the top of the screen - looks like 21 inches. Does this mean the stock screen is 21 inches? I think I need to know this in order to determine which length shield to buy. Phrased another way, the rifle comes in 0", +2 and so on - which one is 2 inches taller than stock? Thanks in advance. Bart 94 PC800 8400 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:24:58 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Red PC For Sale This bike is so nice that you could fly in to NY and drive home cross country without doing a thing... 1990 PC (Red of course) 7K mi Stock except for Utopa driver backrest and fitted luggage. Previous owner was a lady who stopped riding due to pregnancy. Would also consider trading up, down, sideways for a Black PC I love the bike, not the color $4200 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Q: What happens if you sing country music backwards? A: You get your job and your wife back. Dave Steven 52 Payn Avenue Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 FOR SALE: '86 3.2 Mondial Cabriolet 24Kmi. red/crema; receipts, $37,500 For more details and pictures, go to: http://www.ferraris.com/forsale/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:02:14 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Advice on 95 PC I am looking at a 95 PC at a local dealership; 9K miles-- looks like it has been "ridden hard and put up wet" (old veterinary expression). Lots of dings on the plastic and such, but still has 1 year left on warranty. They are asking $5995-- is this a fair price? Thanks! Mica Landry micaland@communique.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:15:38 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For Sale For what it's worth, '89 PC, 12k, ad says "excellent condition, will consider trade". $3,500, location Albuquerque. Bob C. NM rmclanc@sandia.gov ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Re: Advice on 95 PC To: micaland@communique.net (Mica Landry) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Mica Landry writes: ++ ++I am looking at a 95 PC at a local dealership; 9K miles-- looks like it has ++been ++"ridden hard and put up wet" (old veterinary expression). Lots of dings on ++the plastic and such, but still has 1 year left on warranty. They are asking ++$5995-- ++is this a fair price? ++ For a "ridden hard, put up wet" '95 PC, this sounds a little much. From my experience, I would look to pay something more like $5400-$5500 for one like that which is a little rough around the edges. I would make sure that the bike was not short-sheeted on maintenance, also. However, if the bike has been well maintained, and the dealer is willing to negotiate on the price . . . . Tom McBride ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:55:04 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: micaland@communique.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Advice on 95 PC Sounds like a fair price for a "CLEAN" one. Too many dings would indicate lack of care. How close to NY are you? Roger > I am looking at a 95 PC at a local dealership; 9K miles-- looks like it has > been > "ridden hard and put up wet" (old veterinary expression). Lots of dings on > the plastic and such, but still has 1 year left on warranty. They are asking > $5995-- > is this a fair price? > > Thanks! > > Mica Landry > micaland@communique.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:20:22 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind screen measurements Spoke to Rifle regarding screens - The stock screen measures 18 inches PLUS 5 inches for the base for a total of 23". The Rifle 20" measures 20 inches PLUS 5inches - thus 2 inches taller. Also has a different angle and curve, and is 4 inches wider. Sounds like a winner. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:49:28 -0700 (MST) To: Mica Landry , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Advice on 95 PC At 12:02 9/4/96 -0500, Mica Landry wrote: >I am looking at a 95 PC at a local dealership; 9K miles-- looks like it has >been >"ridden hard and put up wet" (old veterinary expression). Lots of dings on >the plastic and such, but still has 1 year left on warranty. They are asking >$5995-- >is this a fair price? > >Thanks! > >Mica Landry >micaland@communique.net > That's at least $1K too high, but that's just my opinion. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| deselms@mailhost.net | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Four more years! ----> http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:35:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, FF731@aol.com Subject: cruise again Call the folks at Bob's BMW in Maryland and get their Wrist Rest. I screws into the handle bar ends, which are currently weights that help dampen vibration in the bars. Z you wrote..... Z, I called the people at Throttlemeister and they told me they did not have an adapter for the PC. How did you mount it? Frank Ferrante 96' PC 800 HSTA# 6984 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:42:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Cough - cough, sputter - sputter Alan D. Smith wrote: > She was misfiring terribly. Backfiring, sputtering, stalling.... > and after about 5 minutes of that....complete normalcy. It's possible that a small quantity of water caused the unpleasantness. I would recommend a SMALL amount of "dry gas" and drain your float bowels. (Another, but less likely possibility is the fuel filter beginning to restrict flow) gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:02:05 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Trunk Recall >Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:04:39 >To: GuntherSki@aol.com >From: "Juan A. Goula" >Subject: Re: Trunk Recall > >At 02:15 AM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >Todd, > >> >>Are you sure about this? I replaced the original tire on my '94 (which was a >>177) with a 555. Am I missing something? >> >>Z > >Admittedly, I might have over-simplified the explanation, but I am quite sure of it, especially after meeting with the PC contingent from the HSTA and other PC riders along the way on our trip this summer. The problem seems to arise when the bike is either overloaded, the tire is under or overinflated, or a combination of both. This I have only seen happen when the bike is equipped with the K555 or when people who can't find the right size go to a 90 series tire (like the Elite 491). I 've never seen it happen with bikes that have the K177 or the ML2. There is more discussion on the subject somwhere in the archives, if I remember correctly. Pardon my curiosity, but why did you decide to go back to the K555?(of the three tires availble for the PC, that one is considered the least desirable). Ride safe! > >Juan > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Judfish@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:56:29 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For sale For sale: '89 PC800, 12000 miles,, great condition, $3500 OBO, location Southern Calif. Reply to JUDFISH@aol.com 05 Sep 1996 14:18:10 +0100 (CET) 05 Sep 1996 14:07:45 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 14:07:19 +0100 From: Ian Holman Subject: copies of road tests To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I live in the Netherlands and am finding it hard to get printed information (road tests in motorcycle mags) about the PC800. I've visited the PC Web sites and am reading this list - but what I really would like are some copies of road test articles that have appeared in the American/British press (or some addresses where I can order back numbers). Can anyone help? If you e-mail me I'll send you my postal address - I'd be happy to reimburse copying/postage costs. The (obvious) reason for this request: I'm thinking of buying a PC! I know you guys on this list think I should (!), but I'd like to hear what the critics have to say too! Thanks in advance. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:56:19 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cough - cough, sputter - sputter Hi Alan: Sounds like a slug of water in the gas to me. About the only other thing that I can think of would be loose connector associated with the ignition circuit, probably the Spark Unit. If it doesn't come back, my bet is on the water. JT (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:26:03 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 08:17:04 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Ian Holman Subject: Re: copies of road tests Ian Holman wrote: [...] Can anyone help? [...] Ian, e-mail me your address -- I've an extra copy of an Ian Smith compilation of the earlier articles on the PC sent to me by one of the list memebers. I'd be happy to send it on to you. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 09:52:36 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: electrical problem? help please.. Hi all- I subscribed to this list about a month ago and I am very grateful for all the knowledge I've gained. I have been experiencing a weird problem with the electrical system on my 89 PC. I had a Sony remote am-fm cassette installed 6 months ago and had a problem with radio going on and off while I ride. I've had it back to the shop several times and they swear it's hooked up right. I checked all the connections myself and they do look good. I replaced the stereo... still the same problem. Here is what I know so far: The radio turns off with the ignition switch, but also has a constant supply of juice for the clock and memory. I tried hooking the constant hot wire to the radio (instead if the ignition switched wire) and still had the problem, but not as much. This drained my battery, so I reconnected the ignition switched wire. The sound goes off suddenly and completely for about 3 seconds and always comes back. No static or fade it or out. It is the power and not the speakers (the tape doesn't advance) It does it mostly when the bike is NOT warmed up. It almost never does it after the bike has been running for more than 30 minutes. It does NOT do it over bumps or rough road. It does NOT do it at any particular RPM. It DOES do it when accelerating OR decelerating (when the bike is cool). Just twisting the throttle or letting it go... not braking. I know about the potential stator problem... I'm hoping thats not happening. I've had the bike a year (4500miles in a year, 7500total), with the same battery... Like I said above, I drained the battery one time, but after a recharge, it was fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:12:13 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: John LaFreniere Subject: Another Newbie.. I'm new to the group... I've got an '89 PC that I really love :> I've added a Rifle tall wind screen and a remote control am-fm cassette. I got the bike a year ago with 3500 miles... and put 4000 on it already. I live in southern california and use my bike for everything... I don't even own a car (although I must admit to using my wife's once in a while). I garage it at night, but leave it out in the sun while at work. The black brake/clutch levers get so hot I've literally burned my fingers :< so I took them off and used a wire wheel on a bench grinder to take the black off. The silver looks great (i think better) with the pearl paint, and no more burnt pinkies! I know somebody's gonna tell me to cover it, but that goes against the idea of just hopping on and going. I just can't bring myself to prepare 10 minutes for a 15 minute ride home. I posted a second article about an electrical problem I've been having with my radio. Other than that, its been the perfect bike. I have been checking out the st1100 though. Well, bye for now... -- John LaFreniere http://john.csun.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:42:27 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Protective gear Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be worn with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? Leather is HOT. Our winter temperatures rarely dip below 40 degrees (there are exceptions), so I am not so concerned about the cold. The humidity here in south LA (averages about 90% year round) causes the warmer temperatures to feel extreme. Thanks in advance for the advice. Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'John LaFreniere'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: electrical problem? help please.. Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:03:39 -0700 The radio may be very sensitive to voltage fluctuations. I've had my PC hooked up to a meter before and the needle jumps up and down easily -- Turn signals, brakes, engine speed, etc. all make the voltage jump up and down. I'm no electrical wiz but perhaps someone with the know might be agle to add a capacitor to the powerfeed to smooth out the current flow. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: John LaFreniere[SMTP:johnl@general.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 05, 1996 9:52 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: electrical problem? help please.. > >Hi all- > >I subscribed to this list about a month ago and I am very grateful for all >the knowledge I've gained. I have been experiencing a weird problem with >the electrical system on my 89 PC. I had a Sony remote am-fm cassette >installed 6 months ago and had a problem with radio going on and off while I >ride. I've had it back to the shop several times and they swear it's hooked >up right. I checked all the connections myself and they do look good. I >replaced the stereo... still the same problem. Here is what I know so far: > > The radio turns off with the ignition switch, but also has a >constant supply of juice for the clock and memory. > I tried hooking the constant hot wire to the radio (instead if the >ignition switched wire) and still had the problem, but not as much. This >drained my battery, so I reconnected the ignition switched wire. > The sound goes off suddenly and completely for about 3 seconds and >always comes back. No static or fade it or out. > It is the power and not the speakers (the tape doesn't advance) > It does it mostly when the bike is NOT warmed up. It almost never >does it after the bike has been running for more than 30 minutes. > It does NOT do it over bumps or rough road. > It does NOT do it at any particular RPM. > It DOES do it when accelerating OR decelerating (when the bike is >cool). Just twisting the throttle or letting it go... not braking. > >I know about the potential stator problem... I'm hoping thats not happening. >I've had the bike a year (4500miles in a year, 7500total), with the same >battery... Like I said above, I drained the battery one time, but after a >recharge, it was fine. > >Any suggestions? Thanks! > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bryce Ulrich cc: "'John LaFreniere'" , "'pc800'" Subject: Re: electrical problem? help please.. Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 16:15:57 -0700 From: Andrew Beals > The radio may be very sensitive to voltage fluctuations. I've had my PC > hooked up to a meter before and the needle jumps up and down easily -- > Turn signals, brakes, engine speed, etc. all make the voltage jump up > and down. > > I'm no electrical wiz but perhaps someone with the know might be agle to > add a capacitor to the powerfeed to smooth out the current flow. The easiest way to do that is to add a secondary battery. + to +, - to -. -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" id AB94210; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:39:14 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:41:19 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: John LaFreniere Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problem? help please.. John LaFreniere wrote: > I had a Sony remote am-fm cassette > installed 6 months ago and had a problem with radio going on and off while I ride. I'm looking at the schematic in the PC-800 service manual and here's my short list of best guesses, in no particular order: 1) There are only two possible power taps coming off the ignition switch. One feeds the fan, the other feeds everything else. An intermittent contact on the fan portion of the switch is the only possible failure at this location because an intermittent on the other contact would kill the entire system (except the fan). This type of failure would get your attention in a hurry... 2) Don't flame me for the obvious here, but check the stereo wiring for INTEGRITY: (Cold solder joints? Poor connector contact tension? Oxidized or corroded contacts?) 3) Most modern car stereos do not actually turn on the power directly with the power switch, but instead actuate a relay. This is due to the amount of current they tend to draw (Usually 4.5 amps or higher for units that contain the audio amp internally). It is possible that a portion of your stator is indeed beginning to fail and that the symptoms are a reduced voltage that occurs intermittently. What can happen is that the voltage will fall below the point at which the relay can maintain sufficient coil magnetism and the contact is momentarily broken. 4) Long shot here, but I've seen it happen at least once where I work: A batch of *18* volt coil relays were mistakenly installed in the stereo. It would be making marginal contact at best and it wouldn't take much of a voltage drop for it to lose contact momentarily. Sorry for the long winded reply, I hope it's been of some help. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 19:52:46 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bryce Ulrich Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: electrical problem? help please.. Bryce Ulrich wrote: > I'm no electrical wiz but perhaps someone with the know might be agle to > add a capacitor to the powerfeed to smooth out the current flow. Unless it's dead or disconnected, the battery performs the function of a capacitor within the electrical system. Those huge capacitors they sell for use with high wattage car stereo power amps are only useful from a sonic standpoint. They provide a CURRENT reserve for when the amp is called upon to reproduce low frequency tones such as bass drum, guitar, etc. It has the effect of making those tones sound "tighter" with better definition and detail. Unless you own a quiet luxury car, you'd never be able to hear the difference... gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 00:43:37 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "John LaFreniere" , "Gary E. Klim" Cc: "PC-800 E-Mail Group" Subject: RE: electrical problem? help please.. I agree with Gary that the Stator is a likely suspect, one I wouldn't dismiss. Stators have been problematic in the PC, particularly older ones. You might also check/clean the contacts where the remote control attaches to it's mount on the dash (if that's the style you have). I have the Sony w/remote and have had it come loose occasionally. - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 00:30:00 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Mica Landry" Subject: RE: Protective gear The best protection/breathability you can get is probably an Aerostitch suit. The Suits are lighter than leather, breath better and offer comperable durability when hitting the pavement. To get a catalog of their complete line of cloting and accessories call toll free: 1-800-222-1994. These suits are not cheap, but they are a terrific value in terms of comfort and durability. Disclaimer: I don't work for Aerostitch, but it seems like the kind of company I could work for. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mica Landry Sent: Thursday, September 05, 1996 1:42 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Protective gear Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be worn with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? Leather is HOT. Our winter temperatures rarely dip below 40 degrees (there are exceptions), so I am not so concerned about the cold. The humidity here in south LA (averages about 90% year round) causes the warmer temperatures to feel extreme. Thanks in advance for the advice. Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 20:36:05 +0600 To: garbacit@ucs.orst.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GL500I vs. GL1000 vs. PC800 Content-Id: <18_64_1_841970165> Tom, Your comments on the Silver Wing take me back to my favorite pre-PC bike, and the first one I bought new: a '79 CX-500. Honda afficianos will recall that the CX was the water-cooled, shaft-driven, transverse V-twin which was subsequently bored out to 650 CCs and turned into the Silver Wing with the addition of some nice bodywork and accessories. I got mine a year or two before they introduced the Silver Wing, and was sorely jealous of the "upgrade" to my bike. The PC-800 has everything I loved about the CX-500 -- water cooling and shaft-drive, hence smooth, quiet power and low maintenance, on a nimble, easy-to-handle frame. Add to all that the PC's futuristic, eye-catching, and easy-to-clean styling, the spacious luggage compartments, and you've got a bike that is in every regard a perfect successor to the CX-500/Silver Wing. They both fit the niche perfectly: Powerful and comfortable enough for all but the lengthiest tours, without being as bulky as a Gold Wing; sporty enough for 'round town fun and games. In short, get yourself a PC immediately (but keep the Silver Wing for sentimental reasons)! --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 05 Sep 1996 20:19:25 -0500 (CDT) by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.7.5/8.7.4) with SMTP id RAA26358 for ; Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:14:11 -0800 (AKDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:14:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: help To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 11:32 AM 9/3/96 -0400, you wrote: > Friend has a PC800 that he claims rides "like it's on a graded road". > He doesn't seem comfortable with the feel of the bike. He's owned several >previous motorcycles and was wondering if this is a characteristic of this >bike? The bike has only 3500 miles. He's checked the steering stem >bearings, tires, and forks. Everything seems in order. Have any ideas? > Thanks for your help. If it feels like you are riding on a gravel road, it might be the front wheel bearings. Even only one of the two bearings gone bad will make the bike close to un-rideable (happened to Cory on the way back to AK, courtesy of a 4" deep pothole square-on at 75mph). Have someone hold the handlebar while another person shakes the front wheel (while it is still on the ground) You will notice the movement of the axle. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Protective gear From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Sep 1996 02:34:14 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "ML" == Mica Landry writes: ML> Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be ML> worn with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? It can't be much worse than Houston weather. I wear my Aerostich all year, with fleece underneath in the winter. I rarely sweat unless I get stuck in traffic. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:13:44 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Homepage Pacific Coast the Netherlands To all The homepage of the Pacific Coast Netherlands has been updated come and pay a visit at: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm send me your remarks Tank you all ****** ****** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ** ** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ****** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ** ** ** the Netherlands ** ****** ** ** G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: garbacit@ucs.orst.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: GL500I vs. GL1000 vs. PC800 Just had to put my $.02 worth in here as you're causing nostalgia to set in. The bike I traded in '92 on my new '90 (and current) PC was an '82 GL500, i.e., a non-interstate Silver Wing. I've forgotten the first year of the Silver Wing - '79 I think - but they were 500cc until I think late '82 or '83. I loved that bike too. I rode it for three years in Maine, four years in Japan, and three years in San Diego, but I like the PC more, EXCEPT for the riding position. Those bars on the Silver Wing were perfect for me, whereas I don't like the forward lean of the PC for touring, and I know of no way to change it. On Thu, 5 Sep 1996 jhyder@erols.com wrote: > Tom, > > Your comments on the Silver Wing take me back to my favorite pre-PC bike, > and the first one I bought new: a '79 CX-500. Honda afficianos will recall > that the CX was the water-cooled, shaft-driven, transverse V-twin which was > subsequently bored out to 650 CCs and turned into the Silver Wing with the > addition of some nice bodywork and accessories. I got mine a year or two > before they introduced the Silver Wing, and was sorely jealous of the > "upgrade" to my bike. > > The PC-800 has everything I loved about the CX-500 -- water cooling and > shaft-drive, hence smooth, quiet power and low maintenance, on a nimble, > easy-to-handle frame. Add to all that the PC's futuristic, eye-catching, > and easy-to-clean styling, the spacious luggage compartments, and you've got > a bike that is in every regard a perfect successor to the CX-500/Silver > Wing. They both fit the niche perfectly: Powerful and comfortable enough > for all but the lengthiest tours, without being as bulky as a Gold Wing; > sporty enough for 'round town fun and games. > > In short, get yourself a PC immediately (but keep the Silver Wing for > sentimental reasons)! > > --James Hyder > Columbia, MD > '89 PC800, 26K miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:37:25 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:49:59 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: electrical problem? help please.. you might want to have a tech check out your voltage regulator. I had a defective one and it was a bitch to trouble shoot. it's a 3 terminal thing, and 2 out of the 3 connections were working fine...the third had an intermittend short in it..... -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Sep 96 11:57:45 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Trunk Wear-Through Well, folks. It just happened to me! The infamous 89 trunk wear-through on the left side. I've retrieved the archived messages about Honda's hidden warranty, and the problems some PC'ers have faced in getting their dealership to admit to it. I'm going to my dealer this week and while I don't anticipate a problem - Huntington Honda has a good reputation - it doesn't hurt to have some more ammunition. So, those of you who have had this work done under warranty, do you have a copy of a letter from Honda, a work order, or something else official-looking which shows the precedent? If so, please fax it to me at (714) 833-5511. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:02:33 -0700 To: Mica Landry , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Protective gear Hi Mica - At 03:42 PM 9/5/96 -0500, Mica Landry wrote: >Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be worn >with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? Try looking at some of the heavily-vented leathers - VentTech jackets look nifty, and have all kinds of neat-o venting and stuff. You might also want to look at Aerostitch suits - they have vents *galore*, and I understand that the typical hot-weather usage is to put on a wet T-shirt (or pour water on the dry one you're wearing), open all the vents, and let the evaporative cooling work at speed. For stop and go traffic, you're just doomed to sweat a lot and be uncomfortable........ You might also want to consider using a "shorty" or cut-down windscreen on your bike, to get more wind flowing past you. (I've cut down the screen on my Connie, and it makes hot days *much* more pleasant.) >Leather is HOT. Our >winter temperatures rarely dip below 40 degrees (there are exceptions), so I >am not so concerned about the cold. The humidity here in south LA (averages >about 90% year round) causes the warmer temperatures to feel extreme. Vent-Tech claims a useful temp range for their jackets of 30F-100F, so that might be the way to go. They're not cheap, tho'.... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 09:09:50 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Protective gear I think Pauly is correct about the Aerostitch, however Motoport also makes a Kevlar suit that is simular to the Aerostitch. They have full body armor and when my husband was compairing the two, he found the Motoport to be the better of the two and bought one. I am not sure what made him decide, but I know he tried on both at the Seattle, WA International Bike Show and was compairing fit, protection, and cost. He has had it for 3 or 4 months now and we have ridden all day several days in a row when the temp. was over 100 degrees. He didn't have any complaints, but bragged to us (still in leather) that he was so much cooler than when he had his leathers. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: Protective gear Author: "Paul Hayes" at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 9/6/96 12:30 AM The best protection/breathability you can get is probably an Aerostitch suit. The Suits are lighter than leather, breath better and offer comperable durability when hitting the pavement. To get a catalog of their complete line of cloting and accessories call toll free: 1-800-222-1994. These suits are not cheap, but they are a terrific value in terms of comfort and durability. Disclaimer: I don't work for Aerostitch, but it seems like the kind of company I could work for. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mica Landry Sent: Thursday, September 05, 1996 1:42 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Protective gear Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be worn with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? Leather is HOT. Our winter temperatures rarely dip below 40 degrees (there are exceptions), so I am not so concerned about the cold. The humidity here in south LA (averages about 90% year round) causes the warmer temperatures to feel extreme. Thanks in advance for the advice. Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Paul Hayes" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Mica Landry" Subject: Re: Protective gear Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:48:18 -0700 From: Andrew Beals > The best protection/breathability you can get is probably an Aerostitch suit. > The Suits are lighter than leather, breath better and offer comperable > durability when hitting the pavement. Au contraire, mon frere. The nylon may hold up long enough [ca. 20 feet] for you to stop, but it only offers 1/4 of the sliding abrasion of leather. MCN did a nice article on this a few years back. The best way to deal with the heat is to ride a naked bike, open the vents and pour water inside of your leathers and helmet. andy "leather from toe to neck" beals -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Sep 1996 14:00:39 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 14:03:03 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Protective Gear. Re: Protective Gear. >Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ...sez >however Motoport also makes a Kevlar suit that is simular to the Aerostitch. >They have full body armor and when my husband was compairing the two, he >found the Motoport to be the better of the two and bought one. I am not sure >what made him decide, but I know he tried on both at the Seattle, WA >International Bike Show and was compairing fit, protection, and cost. >He has had it for 3 or 4 months now and we have ridden all day several days in >a row when the temp. was over 100 degrees. He didn't have any complaints, but >bragged to us (still in leather) that he was so much cooler than when he had >his leathers. Another vote for the Motoport suits. They also make a body armor that can be worn under a variety of overjackets/pants. Give 'em a call at 800-777-6499. I just shipped my one-piece suit back to be fitted for a winter liner in anticipation of fall riding here in upstate NY (just the opposite of your problem). Bought the suit this spring and find I need the liner under 50 degrees. My one-piece is comfortable in any temperature, as long as I am moving. Standing still, it is comfortable up to 90 degrees or so. I lived in Houston for seven years and know that at 95 and 'normal' humidity, standing in the sun in shorts and sneakers is a sweaty job, so finding a suit that you don't sweat in the Louisiana 'soup' may be an impossible job. Prof. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu '89 PC800 - 15,000 mi. "That's some scooter" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:01:27 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: daniel do Subject: alternator problem! again! Hello fellow riders, Does anyone have problem with the alternator on this bike? I replaced mine about a year ago, cost $450, and now it's acting up again. Any hints and tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. P.S. pardon my ignorance if this matter has been discussed. by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09116 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:02:00 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:08:59 -0700 From: Klassc To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Summer Well, I am back! After a few months I now have re-subscribed with a different server. AOL was costing me WAY to much and was just too slow and not very good on the web. Granted, it is the easiest to use but after some tweaking and a few calls to the tech support, I now have a new pay onr price server. Now, a few summer notes. My black 94 that I bought in late April had 2200 miles on it on June 1st. It now has 9002! I have been a little busy and, NO, I will not drive that damn car! The bike is running great. After reading some of the old posts (I have yet to cancel AOL) here are a few comments. - Yes, now that I have worn my tires a bit they do make noise when I lean to either side. Cheap tires. But they do seem to last. - When useing non- synthetic I don't go below 20-50. I found that the one time I did the bike ran hotter and shifts poorly when it gets that hot. - The bike will lean enough to scrape the pegs hard and hold it there in ling sweepers and 50-60 mph as long as the turn will last. - The Corbin seat is without a question GREAT!!!!!!. I do not know what is better, my Rifle or the Corbin. But without either the bike would not be nearly as comfortible. - Save money: get some Bassmonster Speakers and a digital Sports Walkman. It works great. Total cost $125.00 - When changing the left (looking from behind) rear spark plug, try cutting away a little of the foam. This way there is no chance of threading the plug incorrectly and destroying your weekend, and having to rent a U-haul because no tow truck knows how to tow a PC800, and they have to put in ferris (?) something in the treads, and you end up spending $150 to tow and repair, and your day is shot, and you were going to that cool C.O. beach, and your pissed, and, and,.....Well you get the point. - And as far as all the talk we have had about MPG! Well if I get 45 I am happy. I have seen 40 more than a few times. And, once I saw 49. But I think I have this MPG figured out. If you average 80-85 mpg you aint gonna git good mpg! - One final point. My Motoport GP-2 is great. I have never overheated even though I live in NJ right across the Hudson from the World Trade Center. - One question. How much should I pay to have my carbs balenced? See Ya, Chris Klass 95 PC800 9002 miles (am I ready for synthetic?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:18:22 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: klassc@webspan.net Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC Summer Klassc wrote: > - One question. How much should I pay to have my carbs balenced? Get the Motion Pro mercury carb sync tool and do it yourself. It should pay for itself the second time you use it. Check the June or July archives as I posted a detailed account of synching the PCs' carbs. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: daniel do , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:41:34 +0000 Subject: Re: alternator problem! again! Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com daniel, You asked: > > Does anyone have problem with the alternator on this bike? I replaced mine > about a year ago, cost $450, and now it's acting up again. Any hints and > tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Well, I have replaced mine. I bought a remanufactured one from Rick's Cycle Enterprises (they have a web page). It cost $112.50 vs. factory one at $266.00 Add a new side cover gasket. Rick's assured me that theirs *don't* come back. The product looks very good. Comes with a six month warranty. Also, be careful if you do it yourself, to be sure that the clutch actuating rod is replaced the same way as the it was in there before (i.e. with the annular rings on the clutch side, not on the slave cylinder side). <---- voice of experience here. If you want to know more, drop me a line. Dennis Energy Efficiency . . . . . . "Work to Ride . . . . Ride to Work" I like that!! by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20471 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:01:30 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 18:08:32 -0700 From: Klassc To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: PC Summer] --------------6D2E6E4835DD I change my rear end fluid about every 3000 miles. Each time it is dark and dirty looking. Of course, I have striped the big fill plug!! I will probably order another sometime. But for now its the old vice grips! Chris --------------6D2E6E4835DD by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14217 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:56:15 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 16:55:50 -0400 To: klassc@webspan.net Subject: Re: PC Summer I ran half and half at 7,000 and went completely synthetic at 10,000. The PC loves Mobile 1. Be sure to drain and refill the rear wheel sump, if you haven't already. --------------6D2E6E4835DD-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Sep 96 18:12:15 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: center stand To get the bike up on the center stand, am I OK pulling up on the rear seat handles? Or does that risk damaging the trunk lock? Is there another place to get a grip, or another trick to pulling the bike up? Thanks, Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 22:16:26 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Delta Quadrant Normally I'd have gone riding today, but the remnants of Fran negated that. So I spent some quality time with the PC (as in computer). So what am I greeted with? "No new messages on server"... Am I the only one on this list without a life? Or did everyone vanish into the Delta Quadrant? My cats even get more E-mail than I do...Maybe I'll go sit on the PC for a while (as in motorcycle). Maybe I'll rebuild the weed wacker while I'm in the garage (and to think I used to like 2-strokes...) The relevancy police will take note that I did at least mention the PC once... ;) Bye for now. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BRBoxman@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:05:46 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: center stand I dont pull on the seat handles at all. I only use them to steady the bike. Holding the left grip and the seat handle --straighten the bike while using your foot to push down on the center stand. Once the bike is stable ---you use your weight to push down on the center stand with your foot. This is what stands the bike up. Hope this helps. Blaise Box BRBoxman@aol.com Any other questions you can page me at 800-552-8495. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:30:40 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Delta Quadrant In a message dated 96-09-07 22:24:30 EDT, garyklim@snet.net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << Normally I'd have gone riding today, but the remnants of Fran negated that. So I spent some quality time with the PC (as in computer). So what am I greeted with? "No new messages on server"... Am I the only one on this list without a life? Or did everyone vanish into the Delta Quadrant? My cats even get more E-mail than I do...Maybe I'll go sit on the PC for a while (as in motorcycle). Maybe I'll rebuild the weed wacker while I'm in the garage (and to think I used to like 2-strokes...) The relevancy police will take note that I did at least mention the PC once... ;) Bye for now. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ >> Hey Gary! I think you should consider moving to Southern California!!! The weather is always beautiful, and you can ride in 365 days of sunshine!! :) (and we only get just a little smog, once in awhile!!) (and as for rain, why we all call that liquid sunshine!!) The only real problem we have is getting harassed by all the Harley drivers!! (No offense to any Harley drivers reading this!!) :) Well, I have to go riding now!!! Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 11:00:20 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Netherlands PC-800 Page Check out the pictures section and you'll see two images of the metallic blue PC. I want one. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Sep 96 11:37:34 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Givi national headquarters - new GIVI has established its US branch operating in Charlotte, North Carolina from August 1, 1996... GIVI Concessionaire U.S.A. 805 Pressley Road, Suite 101 Charlotte NC 704/679-4123 FAX 704/679-4133 Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:09:10 -0400 To: sfarrow@radford.com, micaland@communique.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Protective gear In a message dated 96-09-06 12:15:41 EDT, sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) writes: << Try looking at some of the heavily-vented leathers - VentTech jackets look nifty, and have all kinds of neat-o venting and stuff. >> They're out of business. Vanson has some ventilated jackets that give a similar effect though. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:08:51 -0400 To: micaland@communique.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Advice on 95 PC In a message dated 96-09-04 13:07:51 EDT, micaland@communique.net (Mica Landry) writes: << I am looking at a 95 PC at a local dealership; 9K miles-- looks like it has been "ridden hard and put up wet" (old veterinary expression). Lots of dings on the plastic and such, but still has 1 year left on warranty. They are asking $5995-- is this a fair price? >> IMHO it is OK but nothing special. All up I paid about $7000 for a new '95 in 95. Others have done better (as low as 6300 which is about dealer's cost on a '95 as I understand it, though I don't know if that price included tax, tags, etc.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:09:38 -0400 To: Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wind screen In a message dated 96-09-04 12:18:51 EDT, Smcavin@aol.com writes: << The results of my question regarding wind screens , judging from all the reponses I received - favors the Rifle shield. However, does any one know the size of the stock shield? I measured from the top of the grill (over the headlamp) to the top of the screen - looks like 21 inches. Does this mean the stock screen is 21 inches? >> The Rifle is a 2 piece item and the lengths we are talking about are the height of the top part only. Add 5" for the full height of the screen (ie 22" = 27" or 4 more than the stock screen which is 23"). Is this confusing enough? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:08:46 -0400 To: micaland@communique.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Protective gear In a message dated 96-09-05 18:52:25 EDT, micaland@communique.net (Mica Landry) writes: << Can anyone give some feedback on protective riding gear that can be worn with relative comfort in 90+degree Louisiana humidity? Leather is HOT. Our winter temperatures rarely dip below 40 degrees (there are exceptions), so I am not so concerned about the cold. The humidity here in south LA (averages about 90% year round) causes the warmer temperatures to feel extreme. >> FWIW, in hot weather I wear a Motoport Ultratrek II Cordura suit (with armor). It is the coolest in the summer because it does not have a built in Goretex liner and the wind does penetrate it much better as a result (they offer a removable Goretex liner which I also have which has its ups and downs, but that is not really the issue here). It was the best ventilated suit I could find (though it is rivalled by my racing leathers which are totally perforated albeit not too practical on a PC). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:10:28 -0400 To: Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: trip - Atlanta to Chicago In a message dated 96-09-03 10:37:41 EDT, Smcavin@aol.com writes: << I'm curious about the tall wind screen. I'm 5'8" and at about 60mph and up the wind appears to hit me square in the face. Those of you with the tall screen - how does it work for you? I think if it solves the baffling problem, the riding position (at lerast for me) will fall into place. >> I'm sure that you will get a lot of replies along this same line, but I do not recommend the tall Honda screen for a number of reasons not the least of which is that it has compound curves that make it a magnifying glass in the sun which melts the dash. I recommend the Rifle replacement screen which comes in a variety of heights. I use the 22" (+4) and am about 5' 11" tall. I can either look through it or over it (just). when looking through it you sit in a cocoon of calm air with almost no noise at all. (My wife and I can talk to each other easily.) You would probably be about an inch lower and would probably look through it at all times. That's not all bad. I tried it with a 20" (you can replace just the top of the screen on the Rifle -- another advantage) and it was a bit noisy for me and my wife (5'5") hated it. It hit her right in the eyes and was very distracting. I'd recommend the 22" Rifle. It changes the whole bike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:20:23 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: center stand In a message dated 96-09-07 18:14:56 EDT, David_Freedman@inc.com writes: << To get the bike up on the center stand, am I OK pulling up on the rear seat handles? >> That's what I do. It would be very difficult to get it on the stand without putting a bit of pressure on the handles. FWIW, the handles bolt to a subframe so I don't think you will do any damage unless you get silly about it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:08:03 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: center stand I think your procedure is incorrect. (1) Face the bike. (2) Put down the center stand. (3) Tilt the bike until both points of the center stand are on the ground. (4) Step on the center stand until the bike rotates up. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 08 Sep 96 21:02:42 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: re: center stand Thanks for all the tips on the center stand, all. Several of you seemed to feel there was no need to grab anything at the back of the bike; maybe my technique is bad, but at 160 pounds I haven't been able to get this bike (or my Kawasaki 700) to stand without lifting on the rear no matter how hard I stand on the lever. I guess I'll keep using the handles, but as lightly as possible, and if there are any unpleasant surprises with the trunk latch I'll pass it on. Thanks again, Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: center stand From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 08 Sep 1996 20:28:03 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "B" == BRBoxman writes: B> [...] you use your weight to push down on the center stand with your B> foot. This is what stands the bike up. That's assuming that you weigh enough. For me, no amount of jumping on the centerstand will get the bike to budge. I weigh 56Kg on a good day. Thus, I have to give a really good yank on the handles. That is what they're there for. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:31:33 -0400 To: TedJ101@aol.com, Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: trip - Atlanta to Chicago Get a Rifle. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:33:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Protective gear Hi Mica: I live in Tennessee where it also gets hot and humid at times. I wear a Motoport GP-2 Kevlar suit in the summer. It breathes very nicely (the wind comes right through it) and offers full-body-armor protection. It is a bit sporty in terms of styling, but they also make an Ultra II suit that comes in either Cordura or Kevlar that is styled similar to the Aerostitch and perhaps better suited to a touring/commuting riding style (I bought the GP-2 before the Ultra II came out; had the Ultra II been available, I would have gotten it). Both of them offer much better ventilation than the aerostitch, and they offer the same full-body-armor protection of the GP-2. They can be purchased with or without a Thinsulate-&-Gortex zip-in liner for winter/wet weather riding. I'm not trying to put down the Aerostitch. It is a fine piece of gear. But it is not as good as the Ultra II in the summer time in the south. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:42:45 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: pc800 listserv , G.Diepeveen@inter.nl.net Subject: your web site You have a good looking site. Good setup and fast. Do you have any info on that strange pc800 picture, I thought it was a wing at first. dave -- David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) Telecommunication Engineer GO Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey! '?? PC800 - (not yet)! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:57:16 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Meet at Highland House REMINDER: To all Chicagoland area riders and ironbutts in the Great Lakes area: PC800 riders are meeting at the Highland House Cafe (Rts. 22 & 41 in Highland Park, northern suburb of Chicago) on Sunday, September 15 anywhere from 9:00 to 10:30am. Right now its just meet each other, walk around the parking lot (for those who have never been there on Sunday morning, there are usually 300 bikes from the latest crotchrockets, customized Harleys and really neat vintage bikes; usually see 2-4 PC800s) and trade lies. If anyone wants to plan a ride from the Highland House, he/she is welcome to do so (unfortunately I have to head out to O'Hare airport at about noon). Pleae post any other suggestions, ideas, etc. Hope to see you there! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 14:01:06 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Got my bike! Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about the 95 PC. I used all the input to talk the dealer down a bit, including throwing in another 2 years of warranty. I love it! My former bike was a Nighthawk 250-- I used it mainly to learn how to ride, but it was like riding a post-hole digger. This PC is heaven! Incidently, if any of you guys are in the south Louisiana area and you need anything, like a meal, a place to spend the night, a cup of coffee-- we would love to see you. My husband is a Harley fan (has a FXSTC); if any of you visit us here in Donaldsonville (between Baton Rouge and New Orleans) we could go riding to see the plantation homes in the area. Looking forward to hearing from you. Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:13:03 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Meet at Highland House I say we RIDE!!!!! The cheesey roads to North aren't far away. Even to West there's a few twisties. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: David_Freedman@inc.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: re: center stand Don't feel bad, Dave, I can't get my PC up on the stand, period! On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 David_Freedman@inc.com wrote: > Thanks for all the tips on the center stand, all. Several of you > seemed to feel there was no need to grab anything at the back of the > bike; maybe my technique is bad, but at 160 pounds I haven't been able > to get this bike (or my Kawasaki 700) to stand without lifting on the > rear no matter how hard I stand on the lever. > > I guess I'll keep using the handles, but as lightly as possible, and > if there are any unpleasant surprises with the trunk latch I'll pass > it on. > > Thanks again, > Dave > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Cc: Dennis Erdman Subject: Southern California Mammoth Lakes Weekend Just a reminder for those of you that may have missed (or misplaced) Jean Monacelli's August newsletter. Dennis Erdman is hosting our "Mammoth Revisited" weekend Oct 4, 5, & 6. Headquarters is at the Motel 6. Even more important is that you register with Dennis - ($10 reg. fee), so he has an idea of how many to expect. There are some beautiful rides in the area, and last year was great. Dennis Erdman P.O. Box 9407 Mammoth Lakes CA 93546 619-924-5848 mammothcwd@qnet.com Motel 6 (619-934-6660 - tell them you're with HSTA) 3372 Main St. Mammoth Lakes CA 93546 Any questions, E-mail me (until September 30) or call me at 619-452-8634. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:10:05 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Centerstand dancing Dave--The PC is a heavy bike with a none-too-accomodating centerstand. The bike actually rotates backward to get up on the stand. I put a significant portion of my 185 lbs on the centerstand, and pull back on the left handlebar. My right hand is on the passenger grab rail but more to steady the bike than do any heavy lifting. Since the bike needs to move backward to get on the stand, that power can only come from your left hand pulling back on the left handlebar. Your right hand on the passenger grab rail can only pull up, not back (and you don't need anymore up; you've got plenty of up via your weight on the stand). The most important thing is to make sure the bike is balanced on the centerstand (both legs of the stand firmly on the ground) before trying to heft the bike up and back. Otherwise, you'll be asking for advice on the best way to pick up the bike! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:20:37 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Bob Dorman Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Centerstand dancing It's amazing how so many of us achieve the same goal by different methods. I am a 160-pound (I wish) weakling at 5'6" and have never had problems getting any of my Hondas up on the centerstand. I just went down into the garage and checked out how I do it. What works for me. The left hand does nothing but keep the bike from toppling sideways. The right leg pushes down as the right hand pulls up strenuously. Basically a prying maneuver with the right leg pushing and the right hand/arm pulling. The bike naturally rotates around the centerstand to the rear. FWIW. Roger Bob Dorman wrote: > > Dave--The PC is a heavy bike with a none-too-accomodating centerstand. The > bike actually rotates backward to get up on the stand. I put a significant > portion of my 185 lbs on the centerstand, and pull back on the left > handlebar. My right hand is on the passenger grab rail but more to steady > the bike than do any heavy lifting. Since the bike needs to move backward > to get on the stand, that power can only come from your left hand pulling > back on the left handlebar. Your right hand on the passenger grab rail can > only pull up, not back (and you don't need anymore up; you've got plenty of > up via your weight on the stand). > > The most important thing is to make sure the bike is balanced on the > centerstand (both legs of the stand firmly on the ground) before trying to > heft the bike up and back. Otherwise, you'll be asking for advice on the > best way to pick up the bike! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:49:25 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Centerstand dancing Back when I got my first bike, an '81 Yamaha 400 special, I did what you shouldn't do. Pull up on the rear passenger grab rail. That bike was not a heavy weight and over I pushed it. Down on it right side. I was glad to be in the yard with grass and not payment. Just use your right arm to guide to bike back and DON'T PUSH out or pull up. still working on getting a PC800 ------ David Fial Telecommunications Engineer Go Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey '?? PC800 (not yet) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:48:39 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry FWIW, I also have had no problems getting my PC up on the centerstand. I steady and align the bike by holding onto the handlebar and rear seat handle. Then I hop onto the stand, and the bike rotates upward and backward. It took a couple of tries the first time, but with enough force you don't have to pull. Good luck! Mica ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 23:07:36 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group CC: Tom Corbin , Mike Corbin Subject: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation Greetings All, The seat arrived today, somewhat ahead of schedule. I ordered it with black seat panels with graphite nose panel, side panels and welting. It looks terrific with the '96 color scheme. Although I haven't had the chance to ride yet, I did prop it up on the side stand with a 2x4 for the static test. I sit at least an inch lower and there's plenty of acreage to move your butt around on. Very comfy with good weight (butt?) distribution. It was probably worth the 3 1/2 hours it took to install it... Get a beer, sit back and relax 'cause it's time for me to climb up onto my soapbox. 1) Rider seat installs with minor aggravation. Seat base needs to be about 3/16 to 1/4 inch wider to clear body panels more easily. Mounting brackets needed slight readjustment. 2) Passenger seat: a) Remove rear pair of rubber feet that are pop riveted to base. Clutch them in your fist while cursing their very existence and perhaps parentage. They are located *DIRECTLY* over the threaded trunk latch bumpers. Throw them in the general direction of Castroville, CA. The seat base will now rest flush with the frame cross member and will provide better weight distribution of passenger than the rubber feet. This is the first phase of getting things to align properly. b) Replace the two shoulder bolts that mount through the seat into the rear most grab handle mounting hole with non shoulder bolts of approximately the same length. Use a large flat washer with these. (These are the bolts that don't mount to the frame of the PC) This will allow addition room for trial and error alignment adjustments to allow the other two locations to align with the mounting holes in the frame. c) Leap of Faith time: There are two distinct ridges on each side of the trunk that form a channel for the weather stripping foam. Trim the *FORWARD* ridge on each side as low as possible but not completely flush with the trunk surface. Smooth any sharp edges. The seat base really needs to be about 1/4 to 5/16 inch wider to avoid this interference. d) Where the forward part of the passenger seat begins there will be a ridge of bodywork with a radius that will contact the forward part of the seat base that is normally hidden by the adjustable lumbar support. Trim about a 1/4 inch off the radius (maintain the radius, don't cut at an angle). Smooth the edges. e) Install grab handles on the seat and start with handle pushed as far down and to the rear as possible. Tighten the screws that replaced the shoulder screws in section "b". f) Place seat on frame. Pray. (Or if you're an agnostic, request that Murphy's Law take a short vacation) g) You really didn't expect it to line up properly the first time, did you? (BTW, run a tap through the holes and a die through the bolts - Honda used RTV as a thread locking agent/waterproofing compound...) h) Reorientate grab handles as necessary and sooner (more likely later) you'll be rewarded with a great looking seat that should have only required about 15 minutes to install. To Mike and Tom Corbin specifically: In light of the post-production engineering that's been accomplished here and the significant gray hairs that are sure to result, would you consider rebating 50% of the cost of the seat? If I had no mechanical skills and brought the seat to my dealer to install, it would have cost approximately $150 at current shop rates. You make a great seat, you just need to make it easy to install. Thanks to all for suffering this long winded seminar. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 23:12:13 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: TedJ101@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: center stand TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > FWIW, the handles bolt to a subframe so I don't think you will do any damage unless > you get silly about it. As a matter of fact, the grab handles are actually steel under the soft plastic so there is no danger of damaging anything. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:36:11 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 94pc800 Need some input. Found this bike in local cycle trader. 94 PC800 with over 60K miles. still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. What do you all think? fair price? would you even consider a bike with so many miles? Thanks in advance Archie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:59:42 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: tom@corbin.com, mike@corbin.com Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation I want a Corbin Seat on my PC. When Corbin gets it right, I'll order one. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:57:16 -0400 To: AWong18031@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 94pc800 a 2 year old bike with 60K miles???!!!!! Whoever owned that bike must have lent it out to his entire family. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: AWong18031@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 94pc800 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Sep 1996 01:15:50 -0500 Lines: 19 >>>>> "A" == AWong18031 writes: A> Found this bike in local cycle trader. 94 PC800 with over 60K miles. A> still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. If it's in good condition and has been well taken care of _and_ the owner can produce the necessary repair documentation then I think that's a reasonable price. Adjust it downward of you notice any indication that it hasn't been lovingly maintained, or for any body damage or seat wear as you see fit. A> would you even consider a bike with so many miles? That doesn't really even qualify as "high milage"; it's no problem if the machine has been well taken care of. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:52:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:09:18 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: "Gary E. Klim" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, mike@corbin.com Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation wow gary.. I'm really amazed that you had so much trouble with the seat. When they did the re-design of the seat this past summer (using mine as a guinea pig), they were supposed to have fixed all that. I notice that mine doesn't fit snugly against the fake gas tank cover, but otherwise it seems fine. My brother had a little bit of trouble getting his rear seat part to fit (he got his right after I did) but NOTHING like you. on the other hand, I found the people a Corbin genuinely concerned about their seats, and quite helpful to me, anyway. Perhaps it's time to post to the PC list again for another volunteer in the bay area to leave a PC at the corbin factory to try and remedy this once and for all. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:57:33 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: dkgross@halcyon.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation Dave Gross wrote: > I notice that mine doesn't fit snugly against the fake gas tank cover, but > otherwise it seems fine. The fit of the seat with the "gas tank" is as good as the OEM. Most of the aggravation is probably due to the width of both seats. I wonder if the base of the seat is taken out of the mold too soon and is perhaps flexing or shrinking slightly before it takes a final set? This could explain the variations of fit between different examples of the redesigned seat. ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: AWong18031@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 94pc800 Archie, If it looks good and runs good I would say go for it especially if it's still under warranty and that warranty is transferrable. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 AWong18031@aol.com wrote: > Need some input. Found this bike in local cycle trader. > 94 PC800 with over 60K miles. still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. > What do you all think? fair price? would you even consider a bike with so > many miles? > > Thanks in advance > > Archie > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, tom@corbin.com, mike@corbin.com Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation I really don't understand what all the problem with the corbin seat is. I bought one and installed it back in June of '95. The bike was in the shop having the stator replaced when I received it, got the bike out of the shop on Thursday night, installed the seat Friday afternoon, left for Americade Saturday morning. I personally love the seat though at first I wasn't sure about it cause the sucker was hard (I'm thin and have little natural padding in the seat area) but after about a thousand miles it was finally broken in. So I guess my question is...Did corbin change something since I got my seat or did they lose the pattern or huh??? Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > I want a Corbin Seat on my PC. When Corbin gets it right, I'll order one. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 13:33:49 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Coastin' Hello, I've been lurking on the list for awhile learning about Coast ownership while searching for a nice used example. Unfortunately family responsibilities preclude the purchase of a new one. I have located a 1990 and thought I might tap the lists expertise before purchasing. To wit: 1. Are there any specific problems I should be looking for? 2. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to a 1990? 3. What range should I expect to pay for a clean, low mile bike? 4. Any thoughts on PC800 ownership in general? Owners are the best source of information, so please do not hesitate to share your thoughts. Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: AWong18031@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 94pc800 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 AWong18031@aol.com wrote: > Need some input. Found this bike in local cycle trader. > 94 PC800 with over 60K miles. still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. > What do you all think? fair price? would you even consider a bike with so > many miles? > > Thanks in advance > > Archie > 60,000 miles!! Geesh, that guy's been ridin. I just saw a post for Judd selling his '89 recently. He's in Corona. Unless you don't like pearl white, I think you should drop him a line. His address is Judfish@aol.com. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:23:45 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Centerstand dancing The grab rail, any place that's convenient. Push down with right foot and lift the grab rail with your right hand, left hand holding the left handlebar grip to steady the bike. This after using both hands to raise the bike off the sidestand and with the right foot getting the centerstand solidly planted on both of its feet. A firm, steady push-pull. Like a weight lift, feet down and lift. You can do it in a second stretch it over 5-6seconds. YMMV Roger > Roger, what do you lift on with your right hand? > Thanks, Richard. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:05:31 -0400 To: Milar@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Coastin' In a message dated 96-09-10 09:50:13 EDT, Milar@msn.com (Mike Larson) writes: << Hello, I've been lurking on the list for awhile learning about Coast ownership while searching for a nice used example. Unfortunately family responsibilities preclude the purchase of a new one. I have located a 1990 and thought I might tap the lists expertise before purchasing. To wit: 1. Are there any specific problems I should be looking for? 2. Are there any advantages/disadvantages to a 1990? 3. What range should I expect to pay for a clean, low mile bike? 4. Any thoughts on PC800 ownership in general? Owners are the best source of information, so please do not hesitate to share your thoughts. Mike Larson >> I was lucky enough to pick up a '90 PC in April of '95 for $5,095. The most similar bike I had was the Honda 500 FOUR. I think the PC has much better handling characteristics and better power to weight ratio. I think most will agree, it's a good back and forth to the grocery store bike as well as a good touring bike. When I'm not commuting to work at LAX, I park the car in the garage and use my PC almost exclusively for all of my transportation. I've been told that the price I paid was a little lower than some, for my PC only had about 1400 miles. However, that was a year and a half ago, so maybe around $5000 is a good price in today's market. I can't think of any disadvantages to the PC. The only better touring bike I can think of would be a Gold Wing, which is much more expensive and, in my opinion, not as sporty as the PC. Phil Orange County, Ca. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 08:08:42 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gary E. Klim" Cc: tom@corbin.com, mike@corbin.com Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation As I don't have the tools and such, as well as not having my PC long enough to just tear into it and trim/cut as you have done, getting your seat to fit, I had the Corbin Rep. at the '95 Rider Rally check mine out for the "misfit". He couldn't get it to fit either. He had me return it and after many months of being told we haven't got it fixed yet, and twice being told it had been fixed and shipped back, they wouldn't make the corrections! Corbin refunded my money and didn't want anything to do with it anymore, telling me that they weren't going to make or sell PC800 seat any longer. Sounds like Gary's seat fit just like the one I had. Sounds like Corbin didn't make a drastic change when our friend left his bike in their hands for the redesign and "fix" of their problems making seats for us. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation Author: "Gary E. Klim" at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 9/9/96 8:53 PM Greetings All, The seat arrived today, somewhat ahead of schedule. I ordered it with black seat panels with graphite nose panel, side panels and welting. It looks terrific with the '96 color scheme. Although I haven't had the chance to ride yet, I did prop it up on the side stand with a 2x4 for the static test. I sit at least an inch lower and there's plenty of acreage to move your butt around on. Very comfy with good weight (butt?) distribution. It was probably worth the 3 1/2 hours it took to install it... Get a beer, sit back and relax 'cause it's time for me to climb up onto my soapbox. 1) Rider seat installs with minor aggravation. Seat base needs to be about 3/16 to 1/4 inch wider to clear body panels more easily. Mounting brackets needed slight readjustment. 2) Passenger seat: a) Remove rear pair of rubber feet that are pop riveted to base. Clutch them in your fist while cursing their very existence and perhaps parentage. They are located *DIRECTLY* over the threaded trunk latch bumpers. Throw them in the general direction of Castroville, CA. The seat base will now rest flush with the frame cross member and will provide better weight distribution of passenger than the rubber feet. This is the first phase of getting things to align properly. b) Replace the two shoulder bolts that mount through the seat into the rear most grab handle mounting hole with non shoulder bolts of approximately the same length. Use a large flat washer with these. (These are the bolts that don't mount to the frame of the PC) This will allow addition room for trial and error alignment adjustments to allow the other two locations to align with the mounting holes in the frame. c) Leap of Faith time: There are two distinct ridges on each side of the trunk that form a channel for the weather stripping foam. Trim the *FORWARD* ridge on each side as low as possible but not completely flush with the trunk surface. Smooth any sharp edges. The seat base really needs to be about 1/4 to 5/16 inch wider to avoid this interference. d) Where the forward part of the passenger seat begins there will be a ridge of bodywork with a radius that will contact the forward part of the seat base that is normally hidden by the adjustable lumbar support. Trim about a 1/4 inch off the radius (maintain the radius, don't cut at an angle). Smooth the edges. e) Install grab handles on the seat and start with handle pushed as far down and to the rear as possible. Tighten the screws that replaced the shoulder screws in section "b". f) Place seat on frame. Pray. (Or if you're an agnostic, request that Murphy's Law take a short vacation) g) You really didn't expect it to line up properly the first time, did you? (BTW, run a tap through the holes and a die through the bolts - Honda used RTV as a thread locking agent/waterproofing compound...) h) Reorientate grab handles as necessary and sooner (more likely later) you'll be rewarded with a great looking seat that should have only required about 15 minutes to install. To Mike and Tom Corbin specifically: In light of the post-production engineering that's been accomplished here and the significant gray hairs that are sure to result, would you consider rebating 50% of the cost of the seat? If I had no mechanical skills and brought the seat to my dealer to install, it would have cost approximately $150 at current shop rates. You make a great seat, you just need to make it easy to install. Thanks to all for suffering this long winded seminar. gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:53:26 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:10:40 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: mike@corbin.com Subject: Corbin Seat Installation barre...there were MANY complaints about the seat not fitting properly. the rear bolt holes didn't line up, and the seat came down too low over the plastic side peices so that the seat had to be removed if you wanted to take the side panels off. This past summer, I took my PC from seattle to San Fran and left her at the Corbin factory for a week. the supposedly redesigned the base plate and mounting brackets... if you look closely at the photo of mine, they've also redisgned the stitching pattern to emulate the honda Wing on the side of the seat, and mine is all black basketweave instead of the pigeon grey they used to use. what I'm wondering now is if Honda made some slight adjustements to the BIKE frame from year to year.....hard to believe that Corbin's production is inconsistant. they're pretty meticulous... -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:08:37 PST Subject: Corbin Seat From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) In the past we have ordered the Corbin seats. One for the Intruder 800 which fit, and wasn't a problem. The second Corbin seat was for a Virago and the pad for the sissy bar. The seat fit perfectly, but the sissy bar pad was way off. Corbin would not stand behind it, nor would they replace it for one that would fit. After deep thought about buying another seat, we ordered one for our 95 Honda PC, and also the back rest. We had nothing but problems trying to mount the seat. The real grab rail holes would not line up, and it took a long time to install the seat. Corbin was called, and they said we must be doing something wrong. After finally getting the seat and back rest installed, we have rode the PC thousands of miles. The back rest became loose, which meant taking the whole seat off again. The seat came off okay, and after tightening down the back rest, I again had problems putting the seat back on. I am now of the opinion that I will look someplace else when purchasing a seat. Corbin is no longer my number one seat. By the way it is the black basket weave pattern. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: AWong18031@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 94pc800 I would consider the bike, Archie. That had to have been a lot of long trips to pile up 30K a year, but once any modern engine is warmed up and running, the wear is mimimal. Most of an engine's wear occurs in the first few minutes of running when everything isn't fully lubricated. The actual wear on that engine is probable no more that on an engine of 15K miles of stop-and-go, short trip riding. Why not ask if you can have a compression test performed - or take a tester to the bike and do it. That should tell you the amount of cylinder and ring wear anyway. I'll bet the compression is right up there. The price is low for a '94, so you could have a good buy there. On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 AWong18031@aol.com wrote: > Need some input. Found this bike in local cycle trader. > 94 PC800 with over 60K miles. still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. > What do you all think? fair price? would you even consider a bike with so > many miles? > > Thanks in advance > > Archie > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:00:31 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: 94pc800 At 12:36 AM 9/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >Need some input. Found this bike in local cycle trader. >94 PC800 with over 60K miles. still under warranty till 98. Asking $3900. >What do you all think? fair price? would you even consider a bike with so >many miles? If it is in good shape, and still have _two_ years left in the warranty, go for it! Several PC's have made it past the 100k mark with no problems. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "PC 800 Group" Subject: Replacement air filters Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:18:05 -0500 Does anyone know of a good source for replacement air filters other than Honda? Thanks, Jeff H. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:50:37 -0400 (EDT) To: "PC 800 Group" From: "L. W. FINE" Subject: Windshield for sale I have a 2 month old Hondaline tall windshield for sale, new condition, $100 (includes shipping). E-mail or call me at home 912-871-7224 (Statesboro,Georgia..near Savannah, GA.) Mr. Lynn W. Fine, Associate Professor, Program Coordinator Building Construction and Contracting Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology Department of Industrial Technonogy L.B. 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460-8047 e-mail lwfine@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu Tel (912) 681-0006 Office ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:55:02 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Replacement air filters At 03:18 PM 9/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a good source for replacement air filters other than >Honda? Jeff, Please refer to the archives for lots of discussion on this subject, including instructions on how to make your own from a regular Fram auto filter. Have fun! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 13:34:18 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: HSTA digest 285 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 09/10/96 13:31 ## Corbin info from HSTA list. Roger CEO document contents: HSTA Digest 285 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Givi national headquarters - new by "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> 2) Corbin glue, continued by Brian_c@usa.pipeline.com (Brian Cescot) 3) Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Christopher Zguris 4) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Brian_c@usa.pipeline.com (Brian Cescot) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Sep 96 11:37:34 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Givi national headquarters - new GIVI has established its US branch operating in Charlotte, North Carolina from August 1, 1996... GIVI Concessionaire U.S.A. 805 Pressley Road, Suite 101 Charlotte NC 704/679-4123 FAX 704/679-4133 Dana Sawyer ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:19:27 GMT From: Brian_c@usa.pipeline.com (Brian Cescot) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Corbin glue, continued Upon receiving the following light-hearted "admonishment" from a personal friend and fellow STOC / HSTA member, after my reply to Don Feyma's questions regarding the big deal about Corbin manufacturing problems: . That poor guy got his head chewed off> I thought perhaps I should indicate that no malice was intended toward my fellow posters (Don). Though I obvoiusly DO feel strongly about the subject, my ire (if any) lies with Corbin. My apologies, if I inadvertently offended anyone. The problem seems to be mainly with the Canyon Dual Sport, using the "perf" covering. The leather saddles I've seen don't seem to have the problem. On the CDS, when the covering starts to lift, it looks like there's an air bubble under the cover, & this cheapens the overall look of the saddle. I do not find this an acceptable defect. My expectation is that the covering stays glued to the foam. Our acceptance of this defect will only encourage Corbin to ignore the problem. Elliott Pitilon stated that Corbin has told him they are halting manufacture of all ST1100 CDS saddles till they find the problem. Yet, within days of Elliott's post, others of us placed CDS saddle orders and were told that the saddles will ship in 4 - 6 weeks. Which of these responses is the truth? Funny, but when I called Corbin to report debonding, I was told "Yeah - sounds like we didn't put enough glue on the foam, again. Send it back and we'll re-glue it". The guy sounded as if he sees this all the time. No mention of a "mysterious" bonding problem which has halted production! Unfortunately, Corbin's warranty responsibilities seem rather limited. Here are a few quotes from the "warranty" section of their 1995 catalog, page 176: Although "As in the past, Mike Corbin stands behind his products 100%", "In cases where rework requires a new cover, a recover charge will be applied". For a WARRANTY problem?!! Come on!!! "Under no circumstances will cash or credit refunds be offered". Makes one wonder. I'm employed as a Customer Support rep for SONY Corporation, and take service issues VERY seriously which is is why I feel so strongly about the recent flood of postings from dissatisfied Corbin customers. (Cross posted to HSTA / ST1100 listproc) ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Zguris To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) When people say they are told by Corbin to "just send it back" for repair, reglueing, fixing, adjusting-to-fit the bike, does that mean the customer with the defective seat is paying UPS (on a 10 lb seat?) back to Corbin? Sometimes? Always? What's the deal? Warranty work gets pricey if you've got to pay postage a bunch of times. Chris (having never dealt with Corbin mail-order) ====================================================================== Christopher Zguris - czguris@interport.net - Uhhh, Ear? 1991 Honda VFR (Red, with red accessories) AMA, HSTA, CRVBMWR, HRCA, IVFROC, ex-Big Apple Vegetarian 'If found with head DO NOT TOUCH! CALL A DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY' - PERFORMANCE BIKE Helmet Sticker ====================================================================== ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:05:07 GMT From: Brian_c@usa.pipeline.com (Brian Cescot) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Cc: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) On Sep 08, 1996 23:41:09, 'Christopher Zguris ' wrote: >When people say they are told by Corbin to "just send it back" for repair, >reglueing, fixing, adjusting-to-fit the bike, does that mean the customer >with the defective seat is paying UPS (on a 10 lb seat?) back to Corbin? That's right, boys and girls - YOU pay the shipping. For me, that's 15 dollars each time, via UPS ground (5 days from New York to California). UPS Blue, 2 day service was 80 dollars, so I decided to pass... Corbin will not be liable for shipping charges from you to them.They refuse to pay, or reimburse for freight, even when return is due to defective saddles. Nice. ------------------------------ End of HSTA Digest 285 ********************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:20:29 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Annoncement PCN Ride-out Dear Pacific Coasters *** Annoncement Pacific Coast Netherlands Ride-out *** Event : International PC800 meeting in Luxemburg. Dates : 8th May 1997 up and until 11th May 1997. Location : Hosingen in Luxemburg. Arrangement : A) Hotel - Breakfast - Diner B) Gasthouse - Breakfast - Diner C) Camping - Breakfast - Diner Payments and Reservations in advance prices on request. Organisation : Mr. Piet Lagemaat Tel. (31) 181-632742 or (31) 181-630596 Fax. (31) 181-636877 Mr. Gerard Diepeveen only by E-Mail: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net Others : Every day ride-outs, with hairpin curves, At least one evening barbeque For sale: Sweatshirts, pins + badges, T-shirts (see also button "Hotstuf" on PCN homepage http://web/inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm Story : Previous meeting in May 1996 was a great succes with approx. 60 bikes (PC800s in many colors). During ride-outs we have had the opportunity to see the most beatiful hairpin curved roads through forests. Also several ruines or old castle's were visited. And on Friday we have had a big barbeque. (see also pictures button on PCN homepage) *** COME AND JOIN US *** ****** ****** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ****** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ** ** ** the Netherlands ** ****** ** ** O-PC-O:-) White '89er http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:47:11 PST Subject: Shock From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S Foreman) Does anyone else have a problem with bottoming out when hitting a bump riding two up with a total body weight of approximately 280 pounds? Also has anyone changed out the shock on the back for an aftermarket one? 95 PC800 Thanks, Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: PC800 hats and things About a year ago someone on the list said they had hats to sell. I wonder if they're still available. While shopping for an embroidery shop to make shirts for my church, I came across a small business nearby who did nice work for reasonable prices. We got the logo on a polo shirt that costed less than $20 a piece. Other places wanted to charge me $30 + shipping. Anyway, I showed him a picture of our beloved ride and out of couriosity asked him how much he would charge to put that on a hat. He said about $4 for the hats, $8 for 8000 stitches, and $50 to scan the image into the proprietary format for the embroidery machine. He had predesigned pictures of Wings of various years but didn't have one of the PC. So I was thinking (and I'm thinking out loud here), how many of us would want a hat or a shirt or a jacket or whatever embroidered with the PC? If PC Netherlands don't mind me swiping their GIF image (which they use for kiddy coloring on their wonderful web page), this could actually happen. They had some goodies like pins, patches, and ironed on T's but no embroidered designs. This is probably a little spam so I appologize if I've offended anyone. Email me privately about this and we can brainstorm a little more together. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" Cassy's next coat of paint will be blue on top and white on bottom, sort of like the old F4U Corsairs. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: CORBIN SEATS Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 18:30:40 -0700 More seat data. Roger >From:James Segarra >To:Honda Sport Touring Association >Subject: Re: CORBIN SEATS >I replaced the seat on my 1981 CB750C a couple years ago. I ordered it >from JC Whitney. When it arrived, I saw it was a Travelcade. From day >one, it was comfortable. I could ride 5-10 hours and no butt burn. I >would recommend it as an alternative. > >Jim >'96 CBR1000F > > > --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:54:45 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daan van der Weide Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800 At 08:51 AM 9/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Members are encouraged to tell the list about themselves. Please take the >time to tell the list the following info: >Name: Daan van der Weide >Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Europe. >Email: daan@quantime.nl >PC Model year (if you have one): 1991 >Bought Used/New: Used. >Modifications made to bike: None, as far as I know. --- Daan van der Weide ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:17:45 -0500 From: Carol Ann DeCelle-Meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: radios and mounting brackets want to mount cb and am/fm radios. Need suggestions as to mounting brackets (source) and the location on pc for placement. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Shock On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Kenneth S Foreman wrote: > Does anyone else have a problem with bottoming out when hitting a bump > riding two up with a total body weight of approximately 280 pounds? > Also has anyone changed out the shock on the back for an aftermarket > one? 95 PC800 > Thanks, Ken Only on serious dips that I don't have enough time to slow for. It's only happened a few times. I'm 170 and my wife is under 110 so we're about 280 total. It doesn't happen to us going over bumps, only dips. I don't know why. It usually launches us in the air on bumps. The shock setting's at 3. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:00:12 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New owner Dear Dave,Johan,Bob,Phil,Ray & Dana, A hearty "thanks" for your reponse to my query about purchasing a PC. I did purchase the bike and your answers helped me make that decision. The instructions I received when subscribing to the mailing list encourages new members to answer a few questions about themselves. I'll make it very brief: NAME: Mike Larson LOCATION: Mpls/St Paul, Minn. (Land O' Lakes) EMAIL: milar@msn.com PC MODEL: 1990 (no name yet, suggestions?) BOUGHT: used $4,500 MODIFICATIONS: looks to be bone stock, 5,000 miles, mechanic owned, couldn't find a scratch. I look forward to meeting many of you on both the open road and the cyber highway. Mike (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:38:14 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:55:31 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shock I regularly ride my PC with the shock set at 4. I bump it up to 5 when I do long rides with the girlfriend. With the shock at 4, and the comibnation of the Metlzers and the Progressive front springs, the bike is MUCH firmer, tighter, and sportier feeling...yeah..the bumps are a tad harder on the butt...but... -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:59:33 -0400 To: jlai@filenet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 hats and things Private nothing.... Let's DO IT!!!! Count me in. Let me know how much $$$$ you need. I wear an XL shirt. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: radios and mounting brackets On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Carol Ann DeCelle-Meek wrote: > want to mount cb and am/fm radios. Need suggestions as to mounting > brackets (source) and the location on pc for placement. If you have a handheld unit, you could try a big patch of velcro on the left fairing storage cover (loop side on the cover, hook side on the radio). I used to put a Radio Shack unit there and it stayed pretty good. The only problem I had was using the handheld mic while moving. Fortunately the mic had a clip that I could attach to my jacket so I didn't have to fumble for it. I have an open face helmet so I could talk into it. Can't do that w/ a full face helmet. I also attached the $2 ear piece under the helmet to hear over the freeway noise. I don't use this setup anymore because my wife and I no longer have to drive 45 miles to go home from school/work. That was the way we passed the time on the freeway, she in her car and I on my bike, yapping the whole way. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:25:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: GuntherSki@aol.com cc: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800 hats and things On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Private nothing.... > > Let's DO IT!!!! > > Count me in. Let me know how much $$$$ you need. I wear an XL shirt. > > Z Yer in! The count's rising. After I collect all the requests, I'll bring it to the dude who makes the shirts for a complete price list. I'll try to negotiate a little but his prices are pretty good as it is. And then I'll mail everyone who wanted the items. Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:29:39 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:31:49 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ken, Ken, Try adjusting the rear shock pre-load to the highest (firmest) setting. I do this with me and my wife, (325 lb. total [don't ask]) and the bottoming is minimized. We do hit bottom from time to time, but usually a very big bump. Jan deRoos '89 PC800, >Does anyone else have a problem with bottoming out when hitting a bump riding >two up with a total body weight of approximately 280 pounds? Also has anyone >changed out the shock on the back for an aftermarket one? 95 PC800 > Thanks, Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:13:55 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Forwarded: HSTA digest 286 The following message is an excerpt from the HSTA Digest. I included the Corbin commentary and some references to other seats. For those of the PC800 list who don't belong to the HSTA and would like to hear of other people's experiences with a product/company. Years ago I had a Corbin touring seat on my 1982/1983/1985 V45/VF700 Sabres. It made long days bearable but not pleasant. It succeeded only because the stock seat was absolutely terrible. I bought a Canyon seat for my 1987 CBR1000F Hurricane and the quality and fit were terrible. The seat required a hole underneath for the rear fender to fit into and it still hit. I demanded my money back. Didn't get it. I sold the seat for next to nothing just to get rid of it. The only problem with the stock seat was short life. So I bought a new seat every 15K miles for $90. Honda and I were happy. Roger Prince ps I just put my '90PC seat with 106K miles on my '95PC. The '95 seat was mush after 5K miles. I plan to get new foam in it, done by Sargent's in FL. FWIW. HSTA Digest 286 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Dunlop D204 on VFR by khawkins@hrncgate.attmail.com (Hawkins, Kevin) 2) Lexington, VA by Cynthia M Erickson 3) RE: Lexington, VA by khawkins@hrncgate.attmail.com (Hawkins, Kevin) 4) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by John Armentrout 5) RE: Lexington, VA by norton@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Vic Norton) 6) Re: Givi national headquarters - new by "Charles P. Tomes" 7) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Christopher Zguris 8) Re: Corbin by "Charles P. Tomes" 9) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Mac Geek 10) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by whoughton 11) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Mac Geek 12) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) -Reply by Cynthia M Erickson 13) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Christopher Zguris 14) RE: Lexington, VA by Reed Aiken 15) VFR Gains 15 mph!! by v4finney@iquest.net (Mark Finney) 16) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Brian_c@usa.pipeline.com (Brian Cescot) 17) tracy screen/ rect bars by bpr@clark.net 18) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Elbert E Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> 19) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by "Mike Stewart" 20) Re: Lexington, VA by RMiller948@aol.com 21) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) 22) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by Portcall@aol.com 23) Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) by rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) 24) CORBIN SEATS by W9VNE@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:50:13 -0500 From: John Armentrout To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) I just bought a corbin for my 87 Hurricane this summer. I ordered it early in the summer thinking I would get to ride with it most of the summer. Not. I got it almost the middle of August. And when it came, it did not fit the bike quite right. Also, it isn't flat. The seat in canted to the right, which makes me tilt the bike a little. I think I am getting used to it now, and it is breaking in a little, but I make an effort to put more pressure on the high side to squash it... I thought about sending it back, but that would mean that I might not see it till sometime in '97... John ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Zguris To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) At 05:05 AM 9/9/96 GMT, you wrote: >On Sep 08, 1996 23:41:09, 'Christopher Zguris ' >wrote: > > >>When people say they are told by Corbin to "just send it back" for repair, > >>reglueing, fixing, adjusting-to-fit the bike, does that mean the customer >>with the defective seat is paying UPS (on a 10 lb seat?) back to Corbin? > >That's right, boys and girls - YOU pay the shipping. For me, that's 15 >dollars each time, via UPS ground (5 days from New York to California). UPS >Blue, 2 day service was 80 dollars, so I decided to pass... Corbin will not >be liable for shipping charges from you to them.They refuse to pay, or >reimburse for freight, even when return is due to defective saddles. Nice. > > The few times I've dealt with errors that were _definately_ the merchants fault (like a defective brief case), I told them to issue a call tag and pick up their junk. If it's their fault, I'm not paying, period. Pay by credit card, refuse the charge, put it in writing with your credit card company. One more reason _not_ to use Corbin, I guess. But what happens if you buy it from a local dealer, and it's defective? The local dealer I've used doesn't charge shipping on special-order stuff, so I don't think they'd charge to correct defective stuff. Buying from your local dealer might be a better way to go, won't necessarily be cheap, but Corbin charges list price anyway, right? Or would the local dealer simply say "it's a warranty item, talk to Corbin." Chris ====================================================================== Christopher Zguris - czguris@interport.net - Uhhh, Ear? 1991 Honda VFR (Red, with red accessories) AMA, HSTA, CRVBMWR, HRCA, IVFROC, ex-Big Apple Vegetarian I am Bill Gates of Borg. You will be assimulated. Resistance is futile. From this day forward you will finance...Us. Stability is irrelevant. - Unknown, presumed WINDOWS 3.1 user ====================================================================== ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:29:53 -0700 From: "Charles P. Tomes" To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin You know, I really don't know what kinds of problems Corbin has, but from my experience recovering my own seats he must have some mediocre line workers. The biggest problem I had was keeping my stitching straight. I think I'll continue making my own seat covers and save the money and headaches. At least I'll know who to take the seat back to when it doesn't fit my posterior right! The next one will be the cut-down seat for the VF500F so the SO can ride when I get the new (aka not bent!) VF1000R front wheel. CP Tomes 1986 VF1000R "" 1984 VF500F "Hamster" 1982 300SD "Hans" 1982 KZ550 Ltd "Lazarus" Any opinions I espouse are certainly not those of my Internet Service Provider(ie my employer) ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:48:30 -0400 From: Mac Geek To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) At 09:50 AM 9/9/96 -0500, you wrote: > I ordered it early in the summer thinking I would get to ride with it >most of the summer. Not. I got it almost the middle of August. >And when it came, it did not fit the bike quite right. Also, >it isn't flat. >I thought about sending it back, but that would mean that I might not >see it till sometime in '97... I've been folowing this thread w/ great intrest since the Bike I am going to look at tonight (keep your fingers crossed for mr, please) needs a new seat. Also I have done Tech. Support/ Customer Service for 6 years now. The thing that I keep asking myself is : WHY do you all put up w/ (what appears to be) continuing quality control problem and poor (nay, disgusting!) Customer Service!?!?! Are their seat _THAT_ good (if you are lucky enough to get a "good one") that you are willing to subject yourselves to this anguish just to have one? This is NOT a retorical question either.... I have heard lots of wonderfull things about thier seats and I AM thinking about ordering one.... But all these horor stories about poor customer service are making me think again.... If'n _I_ were to get a product that did not meet the expectations set by the manufacturer, I would DEAMAND a full refund or replacement, no IF's AND's or BUT's about it... And I _KNOW_ my Credit Card Co. would stand behind me fully to that end. Remeber folks, we are consumers, we have rights! So now that my Rant seems to be over... back to the Question/..... "Is Corbin really _THAT_ good?" What other alternatives do I have for getting an after market saddle that will not make my butt numb after 6 hours riding? John A. Gunterman The problem is not artificial intelligence, it's natural stupidity. O- ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 13:50:16 -0700 From: whoughton To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) John, This is a continuing thread on another list I am on (BMW) and the general consensus is that Russell Seats are the most comfortable- and the ugliest. Many people on the list have gone from Corbn to Russell for the comfort reason and the problems dealing with Corbin. Apparently if you go to the Corbin factory ()CA?) you get excellent service and a custom seat. If you mail order, you aren't quite as lucky. There are also two other seat cpmpanie that I remember one in FL. and the other I think is Meyer or something like that. If you need to know I can track them down, In summary, some people with Corbin seats like them, some don't. Nearly everyone with a Russel loves their comfort. But I thought you were a JC Whitney kind of guy? :) Good Luck Bill Houghton Mac Geek wrote: > > At 09:50 AM 9/9/96 -0500, you wrote: > > I ordered it early in the summer thinking I would get to ride with it > >most of the summer. Not. I got it almost the middle of August. > >And when it came, it did not fit the bike quite right. Also, > >it isn't flat. > > >I thought about sending it back, but that would mean that I might not > >see it till sometime in '97... > > I've been folowing this thread w/ great intrest since the Bike I am going to > look at tonight (keep your fingers crossed for mr, please) needs a new seat. > > Also I have done Tech. Support/ Customer Service for 6 years now. > > The thing that I keep asking myself is : > WHY do you all put up w/ (what appears to be) continuing quality control > problem and poor (nay, disgusting!) Customer Service!?!?! > > Are their seat _THAT_ good (if you are lucky enough to get a "good one") > that you are willing to subject yourselves to this anguish just to have one? > This is NOT a retorical question either.... > > I have heard lots of wonderfull things about thier seats and I AM thinking > about ordering one.... > But all these horor stories about poor customer service are making me think > again.... > > If'n _I_ were to get a product that did not meet the expectations set by the > manufacturer, > I would DEAMAND a full refund or replacement, no IF's AND's or BUT's about it... > And I _KNOW_ my Credit Card Co. would stand behind me fully to that end. > > Remeber folks, we are consumers, we have rights! > > So now that my Rant seems to be over... back to the Question/..... > "Is Corbin really _THAT_ good?" > What other alternatives do I have for getting an after market saddle that > will not make my butt numb after 6 hours riding? > John A. Gunterman > The problem is not artificial intelligence, > it's natural stupidity. O- ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 14:34:18 -0400 From: Cynthia M Erickson To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) -Reply general consensus is that Russell Seats are the most comfortable- and the ugliest. Do you have a ph number and address for Russell?? I think the one in FL is Sargent, and there's another CA firm, Warm Springs Upholstery or something like that. Cynthia 95 VFR 89HawkGT ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:27:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Zguris To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) At 01:50 PM 9/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >John, > This is a continuing thread on another list I am on (BMW) and the >general consensus is that Russell Seats are the most comfortable- and the >ugliest. Many people on the list have gone from Corbn to Russell for the >comfort reason and the problems dealing with Corbin. Apparently if you >go to the Corbin factory ()CA?) you get excellent service and a custom >seat. If you mail order, you aren't quite as lucky. There are also two >other seat cpmpanie that I remember one in FL. and the other I think is The one in Florida is Sargents, I believe. I thought they just re-upholstered seats. Corbins are entirely different seats with stiffer padding in different places to provide more support and comfort. >Meyer or something like that. If you need to know I can track them down, > In summary, some people with Corbin seats like them, some don't. >Nearly everyone with a Russel loves their comfort. > Oh, and how ugly are they. Any contact info for Russel? So, if I put a Russel on my VFR when I go GS-ing, and drive through water up to the gas tank, will the seat _still_ be comfortable? > But I thought you were a JC Whitney kind of guy? :) > >Good Luck > >Bill Houghton ====================================================================== Christopher Zguris - czguris@interport.net - Uhhh, Ear? 1991 Honda VFR (Red, with red accessories) AMA, HSTA, CRVBMWR, HRCA, IVFROC, ex-Big Apple Vegetarian "I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Richard Nixon ====================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: bpr@clark.net To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: tracy screen/ rect bars any of you older Sabre owners out there have a set of the Tracy ( or any brand for that matter)screen mounting adaptors that fit _onto_ the rectangular bars ? Bike in question is an 83 V45 Sabre. the lousy DRB slipstreamer folks sent me these good for nothing things that go onto the mirror posts and they just don't do the job. private responce is fine Thanks Bryan ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Sep 96 20:39:18 EDT From: Elbert E Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM> To: HSTA, Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) Well, my experience with Corbin is: One good VFR saddle (in 1995 I think). Only hitch is the seat cowl would not fit on top of it like they said it would. I nevered bothered trying to et it corrected. Elbert ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:09:22 +0000 From: "Mike Stewart" To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) On 9 Sep 96 at 20:39, Elbert E Silbaugh wrote: > Well, my experience with Corbin is: One good VFR saddle (in 1995 I > think). Only hitch is the seat cowl would not fit on top of it like > they said it would. I nevered bothered trying to et it corrected. How odd. So far, we've got one guy who has to tilt to one side and someone else who can't fit the seat cowl on, despite the advertisements. Yet neither has returned the seat, possibly fearing the considerable length of time that one may wait before seeing the seat again. And the fact that the defective product is shipped at the buyer's expense. I'm looking to buy a Corbin for my Magna, but Mr. Mike can be d*#med sure it's going on the credit card and he'll be looking at a backcharge if I have even the slightest *hint* of what these two purchasers have experienced. Mike Stewart mstewart@sprynet.com '84 VF700 Sabre '85 V65 Magna COP#0008 DOD#1734 Animal(tm) restoration at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mike_Stewart/ ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:01:40 -0400 From: RMiller948@aol.com To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Lexington, VA Richard Miller VFR From Greensboro or High Point about 12:00 ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 21:53:55 -0500 From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) >When people say they are told by Corbin to "just send it back" for repair, >reglueing, fixing, adjusting-to-fit the bike, does that mean the customer >with the defective seat is paying UPS (on a 10 lb seat?) back to Corbin? >Sometimes? Always? What's the deal? Warranty work gets pricey if you've got >to pay postage a bunch of times. > Just got my Corbin seat back today after a "rework" that was necessary due to discomfort. I'm happy to say the rework did the job -- I can report it's working quite well after the 100 mile ride I made after dinner. I did have to pay the freight (about $7) to return it; their ad says I'd have to pay for recovering if needed, but mine didn't. They paid for the return freight. All in all not too bad a deal, but I wish they had gotten it right the first time. I've read of several Honda Nighthawk riders complaining about the Corbin Gunfighter and Lady seat, so I'm not alone in the quest for a proper fit. It took about a month to get it back after they received it on August 7th. When I called I was told that reworks got second priority behind new product. Horseshit and gunsmoke in my opinion -- they should get highest priority as it wasn't right the first time. My other two Corbin's, one on a Pacific Coast, the other on a 1987 BMW twin were delightful right out of the box; this one will take some breaking in I'm afraid before it matches the previous seats' comfort level. The foam they're using these days is stiffer and takes a "set" after a couple of thousand miles. Since I'm sitting on "new" foam after the rework (they cut the center of the bucket down a bit) I'll have to go through another 2k of hopefully increasing fit and comfort. My favorite seat of all time was on an '83 Gold Wing and was made by Diamond Seats in Carter Lake, IA. Cal still builds the very best in my opinion. A friend has the bike now and the seat is still like new in both comfort and appearance. The Diamond does use a cross-stitched pattern on the seat top and it must be covered during a hard rain lest it absorb water and in general dampen your spirits when you sit on it. Sharon and Howard Steiger, the HSTA reps for Minnesota have Diamonds on their ST1100s and love them. So my final recommendation is to check out Diamond -- they advertise in the back of many motorcycle magazines. ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:10:08 -0400 From: Portcall@aol.com To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) John, I'm on my fourth Corbin seat on four different bikes - their seats are very good. Unless you have a problem with fit or finish. I my experience that does not happen very often, but when it does it IS very hard to get service. My first seat for a 1990 PC800 just would not attach to the bike with all of the mounting screws installed. Corbin's factory response was, "You should try to get it adjusted locally." Well, after several hours with a razor blade adjusting the rubber tabs on the base it did fit and when it was broken in it was one of the best seats I have ever ridden. Just my 2 cents Tom Powers ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:23:26 -0500 From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Corbin question (was Re: Corbin glue, continued) >I've been folowing this thread w/ great intrest since the Bike I am going to >look at tonight (keep your fingers crossed for mr, please) needs a new seat. > >Also I have done Tech. Support/ Customer Service for 6 years now. > >The thing that I keep asking myself is : >WHY do you all put up w/ (what appears to be) continuing quality control >problem and poor (nay, disgusting!) Customer Service!?!?! > >Are their seat _THAT_ good (if you are lucky enough to get a "good one") >that you are willing to subject yourselves to this anguish just to have one? >This is NOT a retorical question either.... > >I have heard lots of wonderfull things about thier seats and I AM thinking >about ordering one.... >But all these horor stories about poor customer service are making me think >again.... > >If'n _I_ were to get a product that did not meet the expectations set by the >manufacturer, >I would DEAMAND a full refund or replacement, no IF's AND's or BUT's about it... >And I _KNOW_ my Credit Card Co. would stand behind me fully to that end. > >Remeber folks, we are consumers, we have rights! > >So now that my Rant seems to be over... back to the Question/..... >"Is Corbin really _THAT_ good?" >What other alternatives do I have for getting an after market saddle that >will not make my butt numb after 6 hours riding? >John A. Gunterman >The problem is not artificial intelligence, >it's natural stupidity. O- > First, Corbins are NOT that good, but they are the only aftermarket seat available for most bikes, and they're usually better than stock. Secondly, Corbin will NOT refund money, even if on a credit card -- I called VISA after my recent disappointment and they said Corbin had a clear policy of no refunds because each seat is custom made. They offered arbitration it I wanted to go through the hassle -- I had to start the process by writing up my complaint and waiting up to 3 months for a decision -- it could take longer if Corbin wanted to fight it. I will never again consider their products, the quality is just too erratic. Check out Diamond Seats in Carter Lake, IA. -- but I think you have to use your old seat pan, which means you now have only one seat. ------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:29:37 -0400 From: W9VNE@aol.com To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: CORBIN SEATS I HAVE FOLLOWED THE STRING ON THE CORBIN SEAT ISSUE THESE PAST SEVERAL DAYS. I CHECKED ON MY ORDER LAST WEEK AND THEY SAID THEY SHIPPED MY SEAT ON THURSDAY. WITH ANY LUCK IT SHOULD BE HERE IN A FEW DAYS. NEEDLESS TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE EVER HEARD ANY BAD COMMENTS ABOUT CORBIN SEATS. I HOPE MURPHY'S LAW DOES NOT OCCUR. I GUESS S __ __ t HAPPENS. AFTER ABOUT 150 MILES MY BUTT REALY BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE. I WONDER IF MIKE CORBIN KNOWS OR CARES ABOUT THIS APPARENT PROBLEM. HE SPENDS MONEY ADVERTISING IN MAGAZINES. MERCHANDISE THAT YOU RECEIVE IN THE MAIL MUST CONFORM TO WHAT YOU ORDERED OR YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE TO GIVE THE SELLER A REASONABLE TIME TO CURE THE DEFECT. IT APPEARS THAT AT LEAST ONE PERSON GOT HIS PROBLEM SOLVED AND THE RESULT WAS SATISFACTORY. I SAW ONE COMMENT ABOUT HAVING TO ARBITRATE YOUR BEEF WITH CORBIN. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE LAW. IF THERE IS A DEFECT THEY HAVE TO CURE IT. PROBLEM IS THE HASSLE. I GUESS THE BIGGER ISSUE IS WHY DOES HONDA HAVE SUCH A SUPER MACHINE WITH SUCH A POOR SADDLE ? ? ? JIM HSTA ; 96 VFR "RUBY" ------------------------------ End of HSTA Digest 286 ********************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:09:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Installation - Rifle wind screen system My Rifle 20" arrived this morning. I cracked open (figuritively) the box and peaked at the directions. The first item calls removal of the grill. It simply says - remove the grill. I spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure out how that is done. I found 2 screws - visible when looking through the louvres. I loosened the screws, but nothing happened. Appears to be attached below. Any suggestions? Bart Kratz ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:00:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Across the River and Into the Tree (Part 1) My wife called from her room, " Honey, do you know where Steelville Missouri is?" I was downstairs in the kitchen fixing the evening's last cup of coffee. "No, what is it near?" When my wife asks where something is, it usually means we are, sooner or later, going there. Steelville, Missouri sounded like , hopefully, a motorcycle trip, or a short auto drive. A lot of her, "where is's" require airplanes and passports or long periods of time looking at stuff that was junk 100 years ago. "It's about 100 miles from a place called Jefferson City. Where's that?" " Honey, Jefferson City is the state capitol, and it is about 150 miles due west. What is so interesting in Steelville?" She came out of her bedroom and down the stairs, half way , to the landing, " There is a place there where you float down a river for 4 hours in a rubber raft or a canoe, and then spend the night camping or in a stationary RV. That could be fun, and we could take the bike." The PC has had a affect on my wife. I have had a number unique toys before, ranging from a series of exotic cars to a couple very fast boats in Florida. My wife's responses to my adult toys has varied from, "don't take my spot in the garage" to, "you would have to be a masochist to ride in that thing" But, she will ride the PC through rain storms, across the Western Kansas dust bowl in 100 + degree heat, and in other varied and not so pleasent conditions, without so much as a whimper. A few weeks ago she stood out side of a all night convenience store, soaking wet, talking to two black guys heading through Kansas City to an all black motorcycle gathering in Denver. My wife and I had been on our way home from a casino at 2 AM in the morning. We all had been caught in a sudden downpour. We were somewhat protected by the building's overhang, while the three bikes got soaked in the store's parking lot. Both of the black riders wore colors of blue kerchiefs with white poke-a-dots tied around a riding boot, and their bikes carried Ohio plates. My wife was singing the praises of the PC, and telling them of our biking adventures, asking about their trip and suggesting restaurants in Denver. The two black riders were enthralled. They got a little nervous when a local patrol car drove up, and my wife suggested, if they were tired and didn't want to go on to Denver, the policeman could help find them a nice place to stay for the night. They assure her that they were well rested, and wanted to go on to Denver as soon as the rain stopped. The rain had stopped for 20 minutes or so, and the streets begin to dry when the black riders said their good-byes and retreated to their bikes. One yelled suddenly from across the parking lot, "Wait!" He came running back across the parking lot. I knew my $100 lost at the casino was going to be compounded by the lost of my wallet, my wife was going to lose her purse and rings, and the guy might want to exchange motorcycles. When he reached us he didn't have a weapon in is hand, but a logo marked Holiday Inn towel. He proceeded to vigorously wipe the rain water from the PC. When he finished, he look up at my wife and said, "The lady doesn't hav'ta to get wet." He give me a look like I didn't deserved such a nice women. He ran back to his bike, and with a wave roared out into the night with his buddy. The black riders had just left when the patrol car that had been at the convenience store 30 minutes before came to life in the parking area of the closed serviced serviced station across the street. It must of circled the block with its lights out and hid itself in the darkness behind the service station's pumps. Of course the patrol officer could of just stuck around the convenience store and prevented any trouble, but it would of been a much better accommodation to prevent a robbery in progress than to stop one from happening. I don't know if the cop was trying to protect my wife and I, or if he thought the black riders would fund their trip by hitting the store. Maybe, he just wanted to roust the black riders, and was waiting for my wife and I to leave. My wife came down the remaining stairs, and handed me a page cut from the day's newpaper saying, " The place is called Bass's Resort. It looks real nice." The newspaper had a picture of a couple lazily floating down a calm river in a rubber raft. The kind of rubber raft you used when your boat sinks in the ocean. The couple looked half asleep, and without a care in the world. I had spent the last few days in a heated argument, over the telephone and through the computer with Stirling Properties, a real estate company in New Orleans about the commission division of a hotel they had listed in New Orleans, and I had sold to a company in San Francisco. Floating down a lazy river looked like a sure way to bring my blood pressure down to flying level. My wife turned and walked toward the patio. "We could ride down Sunday. The week-end tourists would be gone by then, and it would not be crowded." I responded, "why don't you try tomorrow to make reservations for Sunday? Be sure to specify we want an RV. I don' t want to spent the night in a tent." My wife and I left Kansas City at 10:30 AM Sunday morning. The sky was overcast, but there was no threat of rain. The temperature was in the high seventies, but deep in the air there was a touch of cold that at 75 mph gave reason for wearing a light jacket. The boot was full with two days of clothes, a couple of sheets, a light blanket, all our cosmetics and the other necessities of life. We were going to spend the night in a stationary 25 foot RV, if we were lucky. If we were not lucky, it could be a tent. My wife was unable to get a telephone confirmation guarantying the RV when she made the reservation. It looked like about a 4 1/2 hour run to cover the estimated 250 miles. We struggled through the three digit interstate system spaghetti surrounding the city, finally finding U.S. 50 heading East. Highway 50 was once the primary road connecting Kansas City and St. Louis. It was one of the first paved intercontinental highways, a remnant of the old private highway system, when the cities connected by a roadway paid for their portion of that road's construction and maintenance. This was before the Federal Government got involved. Highway 50 is now a four lane road from Kansas City to Sedalia, a distance of almost ninety miles. The highway was marked, 65 mph, but the traffic was moving at a average speed of around 70 mph. I settled down at a 5,000 rpm cruise on the PC. Less than 15 minutes out of Kansas City I was passed by two black and silver PC's. They were carrying single riders, and going the other direction. We passed each other so unexpectedly and quickly that I could not see if the PCs were licensed locally or were traveling. This was one of the few times I have seen another PC on the road. I have never seen two Pacific Coasts together on the highway. By the time we reached Sedalia, cloudy and turned to partly cloudy with the sun occasionally darting through the holes in the sky. The temperature had gotten a little warmer, but the coolness remain in the air. Riding behind the rifle wind screen at 75 mph, was like riding in air conditioning. We stopped in Sedalia to refuel and rested our rears to retard the hard ass syndrome. I think my next major addition to the PC is going to be a Corbin Seat. We decided on lunch in Jefferson City. My wife was talking barbecue. >From Sidalia to Jefferson City Highway 50 becomes a two lane blacktop, that slowly drifts over the rolling hills of Central Missouri. It is a distance of about 60 miles. It passes small family farms and clusters of secondary growth forests. The smells coming from the fields are tremendous. They range from barley and flax to peach . The only disturbances are an occasional 18 wheeler trying to by-pass the scales on Interstate 70, or an deer crossing the road. Highway 50, as it approaches Jefferson City, again becomes a limited access four lane. We pulled off at the first major motel, and ask the desk clerk for one of those small, free magazines, "What To Do" in whatever town your are in. This magazine is usually available at any motel's or hotel's front desk. It lists all the town's entertainment and restaurants. A local franchisee sells ads to all the towns restaurants, bars, clubs and anything else a traveling person may be interested in, and then distributes the magazine, free, to the different hotels and motels for their guests. It also has a street map in the center section noting the locations of all the attractions. There were a couple of good barbecue restaurants, but they were too far from the highway. We settled for a Steak and Shake a couple of miles down the road. We topped off our gas after eating. We were going to be heading down into Southern Missouri, the beginning of the Ozarks. It was likely that the service stations in the small towns would not be open on Sunday, and the PC is not known for its extended range. Highway 50 returned to two lanes after leaving Jefferson City, and we soon swung south onto State Road 63. We rode through the one of the sections of The Mark Twain National Forest parallel to Fort Leonard Wood. Fort Leonard Wood (Fort Lost in the Woods Misery) brought back memories of my basic training, 40 years ago. Soldiering was never one of my strong points. But, being in the military was one of the best things that ever happen to me. ( I think universal military training is a social necessity. It dosen't take a village to raise a child, just a good D. I. Uiversal Military Training could lower our prison population by 25%.) I had graduated from a Catholic Military School is St. Paul MN., before going to college in Upstate New York. (Although my writing ability belies my education.) Attending St. Thomas Military Academy is probably the only reason I made it through basic training. My military days were during the early Viet Nan period. I lucked out. I completed my training at Fort Devens, located outside of Boston, before being stationed in The Republic of Panama. I was involved with electronic intelligence. Highway 63 became Highway 68, before narrowing, once more, to become State Road 8. Nine miles the other side of Steelville, we came to a paved private road that led to Bass's Resort. It was just short of 3:30 PM. The trip had taken 5 hours. The paved private road degenerated into a soft packed loose rock parking lot that surrounded the resort's office complex. I hate loose rock. Crossing loose rock on a motorcycle is like driving over a mine field. If the loose rock has been poured on a relatively regular surface, you're all right. But, if the loose rock is covering a bunch of holes or other irregularities, you're going down. I followed the well used auto tire tracks into the parking lot, keeping carefully within the impressions left by pervious tires. When, three quarters of the way the office , the trail began to get faint, I pulled the bike over and carefully put it on its side stand. We walked the rest of the way. Bass's Business Office was a combination of a general store, sporting goods outlet and a motel's front desk. The office sold everything from "roll your own cigarette paper" to fishing lures. The girl behind the front desk, at first, couldn't find our reservation. I had illusions of spending the night in a tent, or sleeping in a hammock that was suspended between two trees in the woods. I nervously said, " We are supposed to have a reservation for an RV. We guarantied it with a credit card." A second girl came forward to assist the first girl, and after a couple of anxious moments announced, " Oh, here it is." "You found our reservation?" "Yes. You're in number four. Sign in here." As my wife was registering I ask, "How do we get to number four?" "Go right back out the way you came in." "Across the loose rock parking lot?" "Yes. Then turn left and go down the road for a mile or so." "A paved road?" "Yes. When you reach the other parking lot you will see four RVs up a little hill." "Is the other parking lot that is surfaced with loose rock?" "Yes. Your RV is the last one on the left." She handed me the key saying, "the driver will be up there in about 30 minutes to take you to the launching dock for your float trip." The clerk's directions had been correct, and it was a little hill, about 25 or 30 yards long. But, the twenty-five or thirty yards were almost straight up. There wasn't the suggestion of a path on the hill, just some scrub brush and immature trees that were hanging on for life. I pulled the saddlebag inserts for the PC's boot, and my wife stored the helmets. We looked at each other, and without a word begin to scramble up the hill side. By wrapping ourselves around trees and by hanging on to the branches of small scrubs, we made it up the hill. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:05:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Across theRiver and Into the Tree (Part 2) The RV was about 25 feet long and 12 foot wide. We entered into a salon or dinette. It was seperated from a rear bedroom by an open galley and a closed head. The inside of the RV looked like the accommodations on a small, a very small, boat. The head was smaller than the one on the last boat I had in Florida. No one ever used that head. The boat had been a 31 foot Formula Express Cruiser. The "head" instructions aboard the "First Star" were over the stern, not into the wind, and never while crossing the Gulf Stream. If you can't do it over the stern, hold it till we reached Bimini. Bimini is the first Island from Florida of the Bahamas. The Bahamas are an independent country, independent to elect no one or doing anything that the U.S. might not like, located about 50 miles off Florida. Until the early nineteen seventies the Bahamas, founded by run-away American Slaves, were a British Colony. Now they are a satellite of the United States, like most of the rest of Latin America. During prohibition Bimini was a primary port of entry for booze into the States. During the seventies and eighties it was the important intermediate in the importation of narcotics. Flights took off nightly from Bimini to small airports in central United States, and so many mother ships were distriubing black garbage bags in Bimini's waters the off shore launches would get confused as to which boat was their pick-up. A couple of times a small freighter attemped to down load to my Formula. Once, when I told them I was the wrong boat they answered, "thats all right. Run it in to the Bahia Cabana, and check in with Charlie. Be there one hour before dawn, and he will pay you." I passed. The efforts of those guys were minuscule. The world's largest drug wholesaler is/was the U.S. Government. The Contra Affair was paid for; planes, wages, maintenance and fuel; by importing drugs. The Contra Affair was the main reason for drugs moving from major cities into the small towns. They had to increase the market. They don't want to stop drugs, it would endanger the world economy. All they want to do is interdict the drug traffic protecting the franchises of the right guys and to keep the price high. They bust the street dealers and the local distributors. But, they are replaceable and usually drugies. The wholesalers never use the stuff, and think anyone who does is unreliable and stupid. The upper echelon employees of the wholesalers must take periodic drug tests to detect grass and coke. I heard they used samples of hair, and that is why many of the higher drug types keep their hair long. Bimini is 7 miles long and 100 yards wide. Its about 15 feet above sea level, at its highest point. It was a great place until the invention of the hand held satellite navigation device. Then anyone with $200 and a row boat could get there. The tourists came with a set of new rules. No carrying fire arms on shore and no skinny dipping in the ocean behind the Last Bar on the Earth. The Bacardi Rum Corporation purchased the Big Game Fisherman's Club. The Club was the best restaurant and hotel on the Island. When Bacardi purchased it, they cleaned the place up and put a sign on the hotel's swimming pool gate prohibiting public sex, either in the pool or on the pool deck. Inexpensive satellite navigation changed the Bahamas. After the new cheap devices, you could run the islands for a week without ever hearing the staccato clatter of an M-14 rocking & rolling fully automatic, or the deep resounding boom, boom, boom of a B.A.R. on slow auto fire. The Bahamas had lost their charm. I sold my last boat, and turned the islands over to fat ladies in red dresses and wide brimmed straw hats who wondered what is in conch, and bought sweatshirts for their nephews in Scarsdale that said, "do it on Bimini." A skinny 17 year old, with the remnants of acme on his face, knocked on the door of the RV, "Are you guys ready for your float trip?" I had changed from long pants and boots to shorts and floppy rubber sandals. My wife had put on a red bathing suit covered with something that looked suspiciously like one of her plainer shorty nightgowns. I questiond, "Is there a ride?" The boy pointed to a white van with terminal cancer, left running in the parking lot below. "How do we get there?" The boy pointed down the hill. "Is there any other way?" The boy pointed to an ATV trail that passed on the back side of the RVs, and down to the paved road before it became the loose rock parking lot. Down the ATV trail and back to the Van was about a three block walk. We hit the hill again. There were three other passengers in the van, a 13 year old boy, his father and their dog. This was their third trip down the river this year. My wife told the van driver we wanted a rubber raft, but the boy interjected, "get a canoe. The raft will drag the bottom and get stuck on the rocks. It is also very difficult to paddle." The driver agreed, and I wonder what sort of trip I was in for? There was another couple waiting at the launching point. The driver pulled out a blue canoe. I ask, "is that one ours." "It's anybody's. Take it." I ask my wife to get in front, and the boy told me that was the stern. Both ends looked the same to me, but we changed anyway and shoved off. Within 20 feet I stuck the canoe on top of some rocks. My wife and I had to get out; drag the canoe over the smooth rocks and relaunch. The water wasn't very deep but it moved fairly fast, and before we could get the canoe in channel, I had it jammed between an under water tree stump and a clump of rocks. The canoe turned over, and I was underneath it. My wife and I managed to retrieve our stuff, drag the canoe to shore, tip it over to pour most of the water out and relaunch. I looked back at the group on shore, as the canoe rocketed into the main channel from the launching tributary. They were slowly shaking their heads knowing that we would never make the it for next three hours. I had not been in a canoe since a Canadian camping trip in my teens, and my wife had never been in a canoe. We decided to invent some elementary paddling and steering techniques based on primary physics. The couple in the newspaper's picture, lazily floating down a river in a rubber raft, must of been on a different river. This river varied in width from 30 to 70 feet, and in depth from 4 to 6 feet, to inches. The river at 70 feet width hardly moved, but when the river narrowed or became shallow the speed of the water increased making the canoe difficult to control. It was also necessary to align the canoe when going through shallows or to selecting the correct passages when the river divided. This was not going to be a lazy river float. Within the first 300 yards my wife and I had worked up a sweat. We passed a couple cuddling in waist high water as we turned the first bend in the river. They waved and wish us a happy trip. They were the last humans we saw for two and half hours. Our invented paddling and steering techniques worked well. We managed only to hit the river bank twice more, get stuck on the rocks once and run into two trees. We never turned the canoe over again. But, our sweat attracted a couple of new and unwelcome visitors, two giant horseflies. The horseflies seemed to know this river. They followed us the whole trip. They were the most irritating when my wife and I were paddling through slow sections of water. They were left behind when the canoe sped through shallows or narrows. But, they would rejoin us as soon as the water slowed. I managed to hit one, in mid-air with a paddle, and knock him into the river. He just shook himself off and rejoined the chase. (super fly) My wife and I were alone, with the exception of the horseflys. We stopped once, and walked the river bank. We considered taking a swim, but we had inadvertently done that when the canoe tipped. . We arrived back at Bass's just after 7:00 PM. The skinny young boy, who had been or driver was helping stack canoes on a truck when we landed. When he saw us his month dropped open and he almost let go of his end of the canoe he was stacking. "You folks back?" he managed to say through his suprise. And then glancing at his watch, " you made pretty good time." I know he had been telling his cohorts about the bald headed guy and the blonde he had put on the river that afternoon. I think he thought he would find us stuck on some sand bar with the canoe gone or sunk, half down the river, after a 2 AM search and rescue mission. My wife and I walked across the loose rock parking lot and back to the hill. I was getting tired of that hill. We got out of our wet clothes and hung them on the RV's porch to dry. I took a shower, and while my wife did the same, I walked the ATV path behind the RV. It was a block and half long and cut mostly through harden soil and rock. At the end it divided into a fork, like a snake's tongue. One point of the tongue went into the parking lot and the other onto the paved road. I walked down to the road and then following that part of the trail, keeping in the right rut, I walked back toward the RV. The PC has some serious detriments as a trial bike. It's heavy, built low to the ground and has very limited clearance in the wheel wells. (Of course, those characteristics are what make it a great road bike.) The right rut looked more passable than the left, but there were a couple of places were ATVs had cut down into the soft rock leaving gullies partially filled with sand. There were also locations along the rut where the soil was soft or rain had created a difficult or acute angle for the bike to navigate. I took a stick and dug into the sand at the bottom of the gullies. It was only 3 or 4 inches deep. I used the stick to test the soil in the exposed areas. The soil was not too stable, but it would hold the bike, at least for two trips. I was going to try run it when we came back from dinner. We rode the PC over to the resort's business office and general store. There were only three employees there, two girls behind the counter and a maintenance man. One of the girls behind the counter and the maintenance man were tipsy from sampling the beer on sale. I ask, "where is the nearest place to eat?" The tipsy girl said that there was a Dairy Queen in Steelville, but she thought it closed at eight. There also, was another place nine miles farther, in Cuba, called The Stone Inn. The Stone Inn was a bar and restaurant, and she thought it stayed open till mid-night or so, but she didn't know how late they served food. My wife and I choose the Stone Inn . The major deficient of the PC is its headlight. The seat and the wind screencan be changed, but there is no substitute for the headlight. The headlight isn't bright enough, nor does it disburse light at a wide enough angle. The road from the resort to the main highway was a small, curvy and narrow blacktop, through a heavily wooded area with overhanging trees. The road was absolutely pitch black. The PC's headlight cut a tunnel into the darkness, but with little peripheral illumination. It was liking looking at the road through a tube. There was almost no traffic from the resort to Steelville, and again the PC's weak head light controlled my cruising speed. Exchanging for a brighter bulb may extend the length of the tunnel, but I not sure it would solved the peripheral vision problem. My friends with Gold Wings don't have this problem. I have never driven an ST1100 on a very dark road. A couple of European type running lights mounted into the front cowling could solve the problem. It may be an excellent opportunity for a after marketer. The Stone Inn was an experience. It was probably constructed as a road house in the thirties, with two, now gone, gas pumps out in front and a covered drive-through. Opening the front door sounded a buzzer, and everyone sitting at the small bar to the right turned in unison to see who had entered, like a well rehearsed dance ensemble. There were five or six men in working clothes sitting at the bar, facing a blank wall, and drinking beer with chasers. They were a dedicated group. The dining room was straight ahead. It was a larger room. There were three different groups eating. The remaining tables were empty, but covered with the remains left by previous diners. Mostly chicken dinners. My wife and I found the cleanest empty table, and sat down. Within a few minutes, a harried, but pleasant waitress appeared with two menus. She Said' "I am the only one here. So it will take a while to get your food. But, I will bring your your drinks right now," My wife order a glass of wine and I ask for a beer. There were three other groups in the restaurant eating. One group was a young couple with two pre-school children finishing a family style chicken dinner. The father was a small, wiry man with rough hands and a low calm voice. The mother was a large, but not fat woman. She wore little make-up and her hair was plainly styled. They finish their dinners and left before we got our drinks. The second group consisted of a man and wife, and three bored and unruly children. The children ranged in age from early grade school to a pre-teenier. The father was a burly man. He was darkly tanned just under six feet tall. His torso was enormous. It was supported by short stubby legs, and topped by an large head without a neck. His voice echoed off the walls of Stone Inn, even when he spoke in the softest tones. He spent a majority of his time herding his children from the different corners of Stone Inn back to their table. The wife was a large square women. She was almost a tall as her husband and of similar construction. She had her bleached blond hair in a fancy bouffant that was two decades out of date. She could freeze the children from their most rambunctious activities with just a cold stare. The third group was a couple who were billing and cooing over a pizza. He was a man in his fifties with an older face and she was a younger, not young, large blond with another out of date hairdo. But, her hairdo was not ostentatious as the first blonde's. When to man got up to use the rest room the coquettish mask dropped from the women's face, replaced by a uncovered bored yawn, followed by a blank stare at the front door. When the man reappeared the women's smile returned and the billing and cooing continued. The women could lie with her face, but not with her body language. During the whole time I watched, her kneads remained locked together and pointed at the door, not at her admirer. Her hands, when inattentive, were pulled back with their palms toward her body. And at times, she crossed are arms in front of her chest. But, their pizza looked good. When the smiling waitress returned, 20 minutes later, with our drinks; we ordered a pizza. The waitress came back again in another 20 minutes carrying two menus and saying that they couldn't make our pizza. The kitchen had run out of pizza paste. We could go down to the all night truck stop across town on Interstate 40. We could order something else, or they had called the restaurant's owner, and his son was going to bring some pizza paste in about 10 minutes. We decided to wait the 10 minutes. The owner's son arrived about 20 minutes later without the pizza paste. He had been unable to find a store that was open that carried pizza paste. I was about to order something else when my wife ask the waitress if they had any tomato paste or tomato puree. My wife suggested that use the tomato puree and add some common spices. The pizza came in another 30 minutes, but it was one of the best pizzas I have ever eaten. It had taken us two hours to order and eat a pizza at Stone Inn, but the pizza was good and the entertainment was great. My wife and I rode across town to the truck stop on Interstate 40 to used their telephones to check my message services, and then headed back for Bass's Resort and the hill climb. I stopped at the right hand of the snake's tongue, where it ran on to the paved road. I had ask my wife to get off the bike and had gave her the flashlight from the boot. The ATV rut looked more intimidating in the dark. Because of the angle, I could only see up trail twenty or thirty feet, even, with the PC's bright light on. I went over in my mind the technique. Stay in the right rut. Feather the rear brake. Never used the front brake. Slip the slip the clutch for power, and never come to a complete stop. The first thirty feet or so, up the snakes tongue were uneventful. Then I had to turn right onto the main trail and encountered the first sand filled gully. The bike was going to fast. I tapped the rear brake twice just before the front wheel dropped into the sand. I eased out on the clutch, not all the way, consistently giving more power to the rear wheel. But, I didn't want to enough power to start the rear wheel spinning. The bike remined smooth as it climbed out of the gully and scurried across some hard packed soil. The PC's light on bright didn't give me sufficient illumination on the ground directly in front of the bike. I kept the bike's headlight on low beam. The second gully was coming up. It was deeper and had more sand in it. Again, my speed had crept up. I tapped my rear brake, but as the front wheel plunged into the sand at the bottom of the gully. I eased off the clutch, hit the accelerator giving just the degree of power to stay below spinning the wheel. I almost missed that one. The bike had lurched to the left. Ahead of me the rut turned to loose packed dirt tilting at an angle of about 30^ to the left. I took all the power away from the rear wheel by pulling the clutch. Teh bike coasted in. Everything was all right for a moment, but then the dirt began falling from beneath wheels, and I was loosing control. I released the clutch, letting the rear wheel spin for a surface on which to grab. The bike started going at a crazy angle ,but when the rear wheel caught some hard rock below the loose surface, the PC straighten out and moved forward with an lurch. Fourty-five yards later I was on top of the hill, sweating on a chilly night. Far below I could see my wife's flashlight slowing moving as she walked up the trail. I felt like Columbus, Lindbergh or somebody. My wife and I awoke the next morning at 10:30. The ride back to Kansas City took over seven hours with stops at the Interstate 40 truck stop in Cuba for breakfast, a peach orchard for some fresh peaches for lunch and a hour and half walk through a botanical garden, located just outside of Kansas City, to relieve hard ass syndrom. The total trip was just over 550 miles, and the PC average about 42 mpg. I wrote this listening to Hassin make a fool of Clinton. I was going to cut it down to a straight line trip report, but decided to let "you guys" respond to this rambling format. Do you like it or not? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:21:47 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) Subject: Corbin Seats To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Wow, Corbin is really taking a beating here and on the HSTA maillist with tons of complaints of bad fit on a variety of bikes and customer having to pay freight charges to send seat back and then having to wait forever to get it back. After Dave Gross' experience I was ready to order but I am really having some doubts. I have a business meeting in San Francisco next week and we were going out early and spend the weekend in the Monterey area. I have been trying to send e-mail to corbin to see if their shop is open on Saturdays to take and tour and talk about some of these concerns. Anyone know if they are open on Saturday. Will stay tuned! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:32:52 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seats REPLY TO 09/11/96 11:23 FROM dlwinger@ix.netcom.com "Dave Lott": PC800: Corbin Seats Yes, Corbin is open on Saturdays. I don't know exactly what times, but 9-6 keeps popping in my head. At least that's when I toured the factory with Dave Gross. Erin in Mountain View, CA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:31:03 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A big THANK YOU..... to Bernie for such an entertaining story. And tell us more about what you did in the service. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Across theRiver and Into the Tree (Part 2) I LIKED it Bernie, thanks for the effort! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:45:04 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: Across theRiver and Into the Tree (Part 2) The first annual PC800 owners rally has to be in Steelville, MO! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Carol Ann DeCelle-Meek'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: radios and mounting brackets Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:35:29 -0700 Velcro to the dash or use the clutch reservoir to hang something off of. The two screws on top can be removed and plates or brackets fashioned that use this as a mounting point. This is an ideal location for handheld CB's, Walkman, and radar detectors. I have a friend currently working on a mounting plate for my radar detector that will mount on top of the clutch reservoir. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:08:13 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group CC: Tom Corbin , Mike Corbin Subject: Re: PC-800 Corbin Seat Installation Good evening all, Received the following reply from Corbin today: > Sandy Hall wrote: > Gary, > we are sorry you had so much trouble installing your seat. The HP is one of > the most difficult seats to reproduce and we have redone that seat 3 times. > The design department will look into your instructions and see what can be > done. We will have to bring in another bike to try somethings. Hope to make > it easier in the future. Thanks. > Best Regards from > Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards > 800-538-7035 | http://www.corbin.com Perhaps, as someone mentioned yesterday (I apologize for not remembering who), a later model year (Post '89) should be used as the model for the seat redesign. I'm going to fire up the microfiche reader and try to determine if the trunk frame/seat mount have different part numbers for different years. Because of the different colors, I won't be able to do that for the trunk bodywork as the part #s would be different to reflect that particular color scheme. I'll let you know if I find anything of interest. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:03:58 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Across theRiver and Into the Tree (Part 2) Bob Dorman wrote: > > The first annual PC800 owners rally has to be in Steelville, MO! > > I'm up for it! Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BRBoxman@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:24:04 -0400 To: jlai@filenet.com, GuntherSki@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 hats and things I would love to partake of the spoils. Let me know what the costs are. Blaise R. Box Duluth, Ga 94 PC BRBoxman@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:25:15 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Corbin Seat Installation The facts: (The last one is right out of the Twilight Zone...) 1) Rear passenger seat: Same part number '89 thru '95. Will assume at the moment that the '96 is different in color only. (Black vs Gray) 2) Grab Handles: Same as above. 3) Trunk lid frame/seat mount: Never seen this before from Honda. There are TWO part numbers listed, but unlike other multiple listings where they reference what year is associated with what part, BOTH parts are listed for ALL years. This is highly illogical sayeth Spock.(There is also no "A" or "AC" designation for these parts either, implying that they are common for all 50 states.) Although rare, it could be a typo in the fiche. Honda doesn't make many errors, but the ones they do make tend to be significant: a)Butter soft cams in early Interceptors b)Bad GL1200 stators (Early 80s ?) c)Bad 650 Nighthawk stators (83) d)Bad PC-800 stators (89) e)Bad GL1500 lean angle sensors If we make a bold assumption here that the PC seat, trunk frame and trunk lid are identical since '89, one would have to conclude that the Corbin seat base design is flawed or that there is a wide variance in piece to piece quality control. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:40:51 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Smcavin@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Installation - Rifle wind screen system Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > The first item calls removal of the grill. It simply says - remove the grill. > I found 2 screws - visible when looking through the louvres. I loosened the screws, > but nothing happened. Appears to be attached below. Not wanting to rely on memory, I just returned from the garage after having just removed the grill as specified in the service manual. Yep, just those two screws. Perhaps there is some bug juice acting as cement. BTW, that is the easiest piece of bodywork to remove on the PC. Most everything else will give you nightmares for weeks. I've been there. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Installation - Rifle wind screen system On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Gary E. Klim wrote: > Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > > The first item calls removal of the grill. It simply says - remove the grill. > > I found 2 screws - visible when looking through the louvres. I loosened the screws, > > but nothing happened. Appears to be attached below. > > Not wanting to rely on memory, I just returned from the garage after having just > removed the grill as specified in the service manual. Yep, just those two screws. > Perhaps there is some bug juice acting as cement. BTW, that is the easiest piece of > bodywork to remove on the PC. Most everything else will give you nightmares for > weeks. I've been there. > > gk > ___________________________________________________________________ > Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: > Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut > ___________________________________________________________________ I remember. It is the easiest piece to remove like Gary said. But unfortunately I didn't find that out until I removed the boomerang shaped piece between the headlight and the shield first. I had to superglue the U shaped tabs back on. Dooooh! Johan Lai Orange, CA '89 "Cassandra" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:55:19 -0400 To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: Protective gear In a message dated 96-09-06 12:26:37 EDT, wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com (Wanda Bailie) writes: << I think Pauly is correct about the Aerostitch, however Motoport also makes a Kevlar suit that is simular to the Aerostitch. They have full body armor and when my husband was compairing the two, he found the Motoport to be the better of the two and bought one. I am not sure what made him decide, but I know he tried on both at the Seattle, WA International Bike Show and was compairing fit, protection, and cost. >> I wouldn't agree on the protection level of the fabric suits. I have both the Motoport Ultratrek II Cordura (which is the best of the lot as far as I can tell) and several sets of leathers. I would never consider wearing the Ultratrek at the track, however. It MIGHT be OK in a get off at reasonable speed and would be much better than a jacket and jeans. However, recent tests in Europe have indicated that nothing can match leather for abrasion resistance. (The figures on abrasion resistance offered by most makers of fabric suits are based on a test machine that has been rejected as inaccurate by the European authorities who are now prescribing standards for motorcycle protective gear. Apparently, they told the maker of the machine that there were problems with it and offered to assist in making corrections to the test procedure, but they never got a response from the manufacturer. As a result, they rejected that testing method. I hope this helps. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Installation - Rifle wind screen system (fwd) Philips, I don't think this went to the list. I'm forwarding it on. Johan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 9:18:17 WST From: VR2XVI To: Johan Lai Subject: Re: Installation - Rifle wind screen system One more thing to add, about the removal of the windshield garnish: After you remove both mirrors. There're 2 more screw on both side to secure the garnish, they're not hidden. Now, needless to say, unscrew them! -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # Yeh I got a real wing at rear * * * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike * * your obedient servant!" YAMA SR250 <-- Police junk * * * **************************************************************************** * Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. * **************************************************************************** (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:25:52 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:16:50 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: Biketoberfest West With apologies to the folks at Daytona, I am announcing Steve's October ride. I've bullied my way into a week off of work, and plan on heading out 11 Oct from Seattle, with no plan except to be back for the Cook-off. Tentative points are San Francisco, LA to see Mom (1 day, max), Vegas. The ride's the thing. Suggestions, anyone? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BRBoxman@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:41:54 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, wetleather@micapeak.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Biketoberfest West This sounds like fun. Is anyone putting togather a location to meet? Atlanta is a way but more than worth the trip. Keep me posted, please. Blaise. pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:24:35 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:24:25 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Voltmeter and clock To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well I bought the matched voltmeter and clock pair! After a semi-exhaustive search :-) ... I found the perfect pair in the VDO Performance Instruments catalog. USI Wholesale Distribution 3746 Comer Ave Riverside, CA 92507 (909) 684-2517 If you want a voltmeter and a clock, you have *four* choices! I picked the black face pair since it matches the rest of the PC800 instrumentation. The pair are at the bottom of page 16 and the part numbers are: 332 041 Voltmeter $25.55 (this is with a 30% discount good this month) 370 021 Clock $34.97 (also with the 30% discount) Both are backlit so you can read them at night (finally! A clock that I can read at night unlike my little LCD clock!) :-). I'll be all set for our night ride next month. You can give them your credit card over the phone and they ship UPS the next day. I ordered mine on Wednesday and they promised delivery on Thursday (not bad!). There is a hitch. They won't send you a catalog unless you send them $2. I was tired of looking all over town (and all through the JC Whitney catalogs) for these so on a lark, I sent the $2. I was not sorry. These guys have all the instruments you would ever need for your PC. If you need an oil pressure guage, they have it! I only wish I had three spots to install meters intead of two (no speakers for me) ;-). Thank you to Dana Sawyer for pointing me in the right direction. Harrison (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:25:30 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:28:22 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Annette Ingignoli , WetLeather Subject: FW: Bad Days Just when you thought you were having a bad day. Enjoy! > ---------- > * A fierce gust of wind blew 45-year-old Vittorio Luise's car into a > river near Naples, Italy, in 1983. He managed to break a window, climb > out and swim to shore -- where a tree blew over and killed him. > > * Mike Stewart, 31, of Dallas was filming a movie in 1983 on the dangers > of low-level bridges when the truck he was standing on passed under a > low-level bridge -- killing him. > > * Walter Hallas, a 26-year-old store clerk in Leeds, England, was so > afraid of dentists that in 1979 he asked a fellow worker to try to cure > his toothache by punching him in the jaw. The punch caused > Hallas to fall down, hitting his head, and he died of a fractured skull. > > * George Schwartz, owner of a factory in Providence, R.I., narrowly > escaped death when a 1983 blast flattened his factory except for one > wall. After treatment for minor injuries, he returned to the scene to > search for files. The remaining wall then collapsed on him, killing him. > > * Depressed since he could not find a job, 42-year-old Romolo > Ribolla sat in his kitchen near Pisa, Italy, with a gun in his hand > threatening to kill himself in 1981. His wife pleaded for him not to do > it, and after about an hour he burst into tears and threw the gun to the > floor. It went off and killed his wife. > > * In 1983, a Mrs. Carson of Lake Kushaqua, N.Y., was laid out in her > coffin, presumed dead of heart disease. As mourners watched, she > suddenly sat up. Her daughter dropped dead of fright. > > * A man hit by a car in New York in 1977 got up uninjured, but lay back > down in front of the car when a bystander told him to pretend he was > hurt so he could collect insurance money. The car rolled forward and > crushed him to death. > > * Surprised while burgling a house in Antwerp, Belgium, a thief fled out > the back door, clambered over a nine-foot wall, dropped down and found > himself in the city prison. > > * In 1976 a twenty-two-year-old Irishman, Bob Finnegan, was crossing the > busy Falls Road in Belfast, when he was struck by a taxi and flung over > its roof. The taxi drove away and, as Finnegan lay stunned in the road, > another car ran into him, rolling him into the gutter. It too drove on. > As a knot of gawkers gathered to examine the magnetic Irishman, a > delivery van plowed through the crowd, leaving in its wake three injured > bystanders and an even more battered Bob Finnegan. When a fourth vehicle > came along, the crowd wisely scattered and only one person was hit-Bob > Finnegan. In the space of two minutes Finnegan suffered a fractured > skull, broken pelvis, broken leg, and other assorted injuries. Hospital > officials said he would recover. > > * While motorcycling through the Hungarian countryside, Cristo Falatti > came up to a railway line just as the crossing gates were coming down. > While he sat idling, he was joined by a farmer with a goat, which the > farmer tethered to the crossing gate. A few moments later a horse and > cart drew up behind Falatti, followed in short order by a man in a > sports car. When the train roared through the crossing, the horse > startled and bit Falatti on the arm. Not a man to be trifled with, > Falatti responded by punching the horse in the head. > In consequence the horse's owner jumped down from his cart and began > scuffling with the motorcyclist. The horse, which was not up to this > sort of excitement, backed away briskly, smashing the cart into the > sports- car. At this, the sports-car driver leaped out of his car and > joined the fray. The farmer came forward to try to pacify the three > flailing men. As he did so, the crossing gates rose and his goat was > strangled. At last report, the insurance companies were still trying to > sort out the claims. > > * Two West German motorists had an all-too-literal head-on collision in > heavy fog near the small town of Guetersloh. Each was guiding his car at > a snail's pace near the center of the road. At the moment of impact > their heads were both out of the windows when they smacked together. > Both men were hospitalized with severe head injuries. Their cars weren't > scratched. > > * In a classic case of one thing leading to another, seven men aged > eighteen to twenty-nine received jail sentences of three to four years > in Kingston-on-Thames, England, in 1979 after a fight that started when > one of the men threw a french fry at another while they stood waiting > for a train. > > * Hitting on the novel idea that he could end his wife's incessant > nagging by giving her a good scare, Hungarian Jake Fen built an > elaborate harness to make it look as if he had hanged himself. When his > wife came home and saw him she fainted. Hearing a disturbance a neighbor > came over and, finding what she thought were two corpses, seized the > opportunity to loot the place. As she was leaving the room, her arms > laden, the outraged and suspended Mr. Fen kicked her stoutly in the > backside. This so surprised the lady that she dropped dead of a heart > attack. Happily, Mr. Fen was acquitted of manslaughter and he and his > wife were reconciled. > > * An unidentified English woman, according to the London Sunday > Express was climbing into the bathtub one afternoon when she remembered > she had left some muffins in the oven. Naked, she dashed downstairs and > was removing the muffins when she heard a noise at the door. Thinking it > was the baker, and knowing he would come in and leave a loaf of bread on > the kitchen table if she didn't answer his knock, the woman darted into > the broom cupboard. A few moments later she heard the back door open > and, to her eternal mortification, the sound of footsteps coming toward > the cupboard. It was the man from the gas company, come to read the > meter. "Oh," stammered the woman, "I was expecting the baker." The gas > man blinked, excused himself and departed. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Steve Gross cc: pc800 , Annette Ingignoli , WetLeather Subject: Re: FW: Bad Days Steve, Thanks! I needed that. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:31:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A big THANK YOU..... Answering questions. I want to thank everyone for the complementary comments regarding Across the River and Into the Trees. You are right I stole the title from Hemingway. I have a story about Panama, a girl name Trace, and a Church that was a Whore House called Cannery Row. Bob Dorman/Jeff Leech I don't know about Steelville as the location, but I am all for an US PC rally. Alan D. Smith I spent most of my time in the military drinking Seco and Squirt in places I shouldn't of been, doing things I shouldn't of done; cohering with girls that didn't speak English, and few girls who spoke a multiplicity of languages; and riding a couple of motorcycles, a Honda 125 and later a Honda 305 Dream, over large sections of Central America. The rest of what I did was very boring. Narcotics have long been the "coin of the realm" for clandestine intelligence activities. Narcotics are not easily traceable, quickly convertible into any currency, can readily be obtain by most special activity groups, can be transported by with impunity and acquired for pennies on the dollar.(Where do you think think the dope in Nam came from?) Barbara Brick I have done some boar hunting on Andros. It is not a pleasent task as most of Southern Andros is swamp and a miserable place, as you know from your research activites. I would anchor near where the tail of the DC 3 sticks of of the water West of Andros, and we would go ashore to shoot a few boar for the people of the village just north of there. The school teacher and his cousin, the mail man, showed me the way through the shallows atop Andros. Your comments about Bimini are correct, but the waters are excellent for shark research. The sharks seem to come in off the Gulf Stream to feed. Tell me more about blue holes. I have had a running interest. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:35:39 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Voltmeter and clock At 08:24 PM 9/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >Both are backlit so you can read them at night (finally! A clock that I >can read at night unlike my little LCD clock!) :-). I'll be all set for >our night ride next month. Harrison, just a word of caution: Have you made provisions to water/weather-proof your new instruments? A motorcycle is a pretty harsh environment for something that was designed to live iside a warm & cozy cage. Good luck and enjoy! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:59:07 -0800 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: jlai@filenet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Products Date: 12 Sep 96 08:52:06 KDT Thanks for the info Johan. What color would the PC be in the logo? Think it might be possible to get the colors to match our PC years? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 12:32:44 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[4]: Protective gear My husbands suit is Kevlar ......... not Cordura, and it is not the same thing. Kevlar is suppose to be stronger and more resistant to abrasion. I hadn't heard about the "test machine" problem. However, the testing report that I read about was done with a dummy in the suit and it was thrown out the back of a pickup and dragged a ways down the pavement along with one in a leather suit. Both were wearing 1 piece suits. My husband bought the 2 piece as it was more conducive to touring. I will copy your message and have him check into this though. On another subject: I can send to direct addresses and receive from anyone, but PLEASE note that I can't "surf" the net. If I ever ask questions about something that has already been discussed, it's not that I am to lazy to check the archives. It is that I am unable to get to them as I am set up presently through work. I expect to upgrade my home computer within the next 6 months to be able to "surf". Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Re[2]: Protective gear Author: TedJ101@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 9/11/96 6:14 PM In a message dated 96-09-06 12:26:37 EDT, wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com (Wanda Bailie) writes: << I think Pauly is correct about the Aerostitch, however Motoport also makes a Kevlar suit that is simular to the Aerostitch. They have full body armor and when my husband was compairing the two, he found the Motoport to be the better of the two and bought one. I am not sure what made him decide, but I know he tried on both at the Seattle, WA International Bike Show and was compairing fit, protection, and cost. >> I wouldn't agree on the protection level of the fabric suits. I have both the Motoport Ultratrek II Cordura (which is the best of the lot as far as I can tell) and several sets of leathers. I would never consider wearing the Ultratrek at the track, however. It MIGHT be OK in a get off at reasonable speed and would be much better than a jacket and jeans. However, recent tests in Europe have indicated that nothing can match leather for abrasion resistance. (The figures on abrasion resistance offered by most makers of fabric suits are based on a test machine that has been rejected as inaccurate by the European authorities who are now prescribing standards for motorcycle protective gear. Apparently, they told the maker of the machine that there were problems with it and offered to assist in making corrections to the test procedure, but they never got a response from the manufacturer. As a result, they rejected that testing method. I hope this helps. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Sep 96 20:41:29 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: "Torn in the USA" Wanda Bailie mentioned an article which tested various types of motorcycle clothing for protection from abrasion. I have the article..."Torn In The USA"... on file...it was published in the September 1988 issue of CYCLE magazine. Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 20:17 CDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: mik@server1.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey) Subject: '96 PC800 I am writing to thank all the people who answered my inquiry regarding the PC800, and how it would handle the 75 mph speed limit. I had my dealer find a PC800 for me to test ride and I just picked the motorcycle up this afternoon. What a fantastic bike!! Anyone have a cruise control that works on the Pacific Coast 800? Thanks everyone! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:17:17 +0100 To: "Wanda Bailie" From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Re[4]: Protective gear Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > My husbands suit is Kevlar ......... not Cordura, and it is not the > same thing. Kevlar is suppose to be stronger and more resistant to > abrasion. Kevlar has great tensile strength, but is extremely poor in the abrasion dept. My personal opinion is that Kevlar in a riding suit is more "sizzle" than steak. For skid resistance I like the idea of the plastic armor inserts. I've first used Kevlar back in the early 80's in suspension lines for a world record seting hot air balloon, but utilized a polyester sheath (overbraid) to protect the lines from abrasion. Kevlar was also used along with carbon fiber in the gondola as one would lay up fiberglass. Great stuff in the proper application, but regretably "high-tech" look is what sells. Heck you can now buy "fake" woven carbon fiber mat in stick-on vinyl. I'm stepping down from my soapbox now. Dave 90 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:29:19 -0400 To: steven@capital.net, wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[4]: Protective gear In a message dated 96-09-12 21:25:48 EDT, steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) writes: << Heck you can now buy "fake" woven carbon fiber mat in stick-on vinyl. >> Cool! Where can I get some. I'd like to put it on my helmet for extra safety.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 00:00:52 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Highland House Ride Sunday, 15th Hi All IL and WI riders....... We are getting together on Sunday, the 15th at the Highland Rest., which is on 41 North, North of Winnetka. Bob had proposed we gather between 9AM and 10:30AM. I would like to propose we tighten that up a bit.... Let's all be there between 9:30 and 9:45. Leaving the lot by 10:10 for a ride North/by NorthWest...... I'll be on a black PC witha black helmet...... Oh, and I'll have a black leather jacket on....... OKOKOKOK, I'll be wearing the red dress.... that should make it easy..... Thoughts???? routes?????? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:04:08 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: "Torn in the USA" In a message dated 96-09-12 20:49:58 EDT, 71430.340@CompuServe.COM (Dana L. Sawyer) writes: << Wanda Bailie mentioned an article which tested various types of motorcycle clothing for protection from abrasion. I have the article..."Torn In The USA"... on file...it was published in the September 1988 issue of CYCLE magazine. >> Dana, Note that it is hopelessly out of date then. The fabrics being used today in most, but not all, fabric riding suits were not in existence in 1988. Ultra Cordura, for example, came out about 3 years ago and was designed with abrasion resistance in mind. The first commercial application for it, BTW, was the Motoport Ultratrek II Cordura. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:05:56 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: Highland House Ride Sunday, 15th >Hi All IL and WI riders....... >Let's all be there between 9:30 and 9:45. Leaving the lot by 10:10 for a ride >North/by NorthWest...... >Oh, and I'll have a black leather jacket on....... >Thoughts???? routes?????? > Z--Thanks for passing along the word. I'll be there around 9:00 and ready to roll whenever the group wants to. I might have to cut out early to get to O'Hare by 1:00. Wish I could say I'll be wearing shorts and a tee-shirt but it seems that fall is here. Since I don't own any official riding attire I can't really tell you what I'll be wearing except blue jeans, which won't exactly stand out from the crowd of 300 other bikers in jeans (for that matter, neither will your black leather jacket). I could wear my pink boa but Dennis Rodman hasn't returned it yet. >From Highland House we could go north into southern WI (there is a scenic roads area not too far into WI; I'll check the map tonight) or go northwest to the Chain of Lakes/Lake Geneva area. I hope someone else knows of a great riding area nearby. BTW, my bike is the '90 red. See you Sunday! A friend of mine from the 'hood was going to join us but his wife took his bike away! Seems ol Doug got himself a ticket going 114 mph on the Kennedy expressway. His bike is a ZX-11, not a PC. He hopes to get the keys back by spring! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:14:36 -0400 To: Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Route for Sunday ? In a message dated 96-09-13 09:15:41 EDT, Smcavin writes: << Lunch at Highland House yesterday. From there up 131 through Kenosha, then to Lake Geneva. Down rte 12 to Dundee Road, then over to the Edens. Had some fun riding from friends GL1500 w/toys (Cruise, Stereo, highway pegs, CB, etc...). But it feels like you're in a car. Getting back on the PC was like getting back on a bike. Not a bad route for Sunday. >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:02:18 -0500 (CDT) rt98-28.Rotterdam.NL.net [193.79.240.223] with SMTP id SAA08030 (8.6.10/1.14) for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:57:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:56:18 -0700 Subject: Update PCN homepage To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: G.Diepeveen@inter.NL.net To all Yet an another update on PCN homepage With a mailing list Dutch and US, Members only button on English page New pictures, and new leader -- ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 19:40:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A Long Answer from Corbin about Problems (worth the read) In a message dated 96-09-13 14:32:50 EDT, you write: << Well, it seems Corbin's customer service shortfall is universal. Too bad it's taken so long (years!) for them to address the problem, eh? Anyway, here's the poop, straight from the horse's mouth (Well, umpteenth-hand, at least!): Hey Moose, thanks for the nice segueway...I was talking to a friend recently who monitors several motorcycle lists and I was mentioned all of the problems people on the VFR list were having with Corbin and their customer service. I forget which list this letter came from, I think the Ducati list, but apparently, two people from this list took it upon themselves to contact Mike Corbin, via e-mail, regarding all of the complaints that people had with Corbin's customer service. Corbin apparently didn't answer for a while, but after several e-mail, and threats of list-wide boycotts, this is the response from Mike Corbin. If anyone has the more accurate details of the story, please feel free to embelish, I'm sure that someone on the list has seen this before. Here it is, FWIW (Sorry for the bandwidth) ============================================ From: Mike Corbin 105161.2537 8-29-96 Here goes... I have been asked by Steve Gray and Mike Busch "You told us you're working on it, well what are you doing?" Usually I won't discuss "internal affairs" in public, but considering the circumstances, this is a fair question. This whole last couple of weeks has been very eye opening and it is truly unfortunate what these gentlemen had to go through. Again, I appologize to them for the fiasco and offer this response to their question. First off, when I said that I was working on it, I was extremely serious. I'm not about to blame our (ex) customer service manager for everything that has happened, but there was obviously need for improvement. Therefore, Joseph is no longer with Corbin's. In addition to the new department manager, we are hiring an assistant for him who's entire job description will be to make damn sure that ALL calls are returned. Even if we don't have an answer to the question yet, a return call will be made (phone, fax, e-mail, whatever). This person will also help to expedite and organize the department. Next. Toni our office manager is required to spend time just listening to what our phone people are saying and how they deal with our customers! We will not tolerate curt responses, promises of call backs and a brief look into the (woefully outdated) computer to determine where an order is, when it will ship, etc... All office personell will also spend manditory time working in the shop and with our ride-in customers to better understand how the shop works and what rider's expect from us. Quality Control has also gotten an new manager. This person's responsibility is to make sure that things ship perfect! Imperfections and the person responsible are noted on a list which will be brought personally to me and Miguel (VP of production). Quality control manager answers to NOBODY except me. Back to customer service department. Items returned for rework, reglue, etc... used to go back to the production floor for whatever they needed. Now we have two full time "Wizards" (more on that later) that will do nothing but handle customer service work. This way, these items that should be getting expidited won't end up in line with new work and will receive the attention that they deserve. Just in case you are wondering what a "wizard" is... A Corbin wizard is an individual that is capable of doing ALL steps of the seat making process (including installation). These people can make physical changes to basepans and foam (and can even make one from scratch on custom bikes) and can make custom pattens, do assembly, fix just about anything or just make minor adjustments. Kind of like having a personal "Mcgyver" (sp). Just so you know, there is one thing a Wizard can't do and that is to make structural changes (ie hardware, adding backrests, etc). The reason is simple, every product we make is soundly tested and nobody here is allowed to make changes from that tested part. We will not jeopordize the safety of a rider no matter what! Believe me, people have asked for some pretty precarious stuff and we just won't do it! Well, that's it for now as typing is a pretty long drawn out affair for me. If I think of anything that I may have forgotten, I will post it later. Best to All! -------------------------------- 8-30-96 I agree on the information issue 100%. We're installing a new system now that will make everyone's lives a lot easier and improve company & customer communication. Part of the new system will be the addition of e-mail at everyone's desk and the ability to ACCURATELY track something at any stage of production. This includes reworks and new production. Its gonna be a blast, but unfortunately will take about 4 months to be completely implimented. The hardware is in place, the software is installed and is currently being re-written to be the "perfect" software for us (hey, it could happen). At any rate, its pretty intense stuff and if you're interested in hearing about it, you can send an e-mail to the guy that helped design the system. Send to: greg@corbin.com Thanks! -------------------------------- 8-30-96 Steve, Something I forgot on yesterday's post. This probably means nothing to you, but I'll just add this for sake of having said it! Another issue that I've been hearing about is our practice of billing customers as the order is placed. The reason is simple, we build to order and don't really have any sort of inventory system. Well, I figured as long as we're making steps to improve our customer service, I might as well take big steps... therefore, starting soon we will bill credit cards *as the order is shipping*. I would start this right away, but this change means that we will have to restructure the "paper trail" in our office to reflect the change. In an earlier post to someone else, I mentioned the new computer system that will be going on line in about 4 months (we hope), but I think that we should impliment this change sooner. So we're going to find a temporary method of handling phone orders in the interim. I can't honestly promise when this change will happen because of the above reasons, but it will happen. This may not sound like that big of a deal or may just sound like "well, that's how it should be", but consider the cost of manufacturing, the inability to inventory if a credit card doesn't go through, etc... Well, anyway it does create some problems, but solves a bigger one "Customer satisfaction!" Remember, I'm an old guy and don't like changes all that much, so a billing method that has been in effect for almost 30 years being changed was a big move for us! Thanks again! ------------------ >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 21:26:11 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: Re: PC QUIZ # 2 Well boys n girls... Honda's latest best guess is replacing the "CDI".... on order. Your guess is a good as mine........can't find it in the manual. More later. Bill HAL2 is going in for a new brain Monday, so it'll be a least a couple of days. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 09:00:35 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: bmckenna@mint.net CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC QUIZ # 2 Bill McKenna wrote: > Honda's latest best guess is replacing the "CDI".... on order. Ouch! If I remember correctly, the average price of the ignition black box is usually over $300... Still under warranty? gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:56:59 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GuntherSki@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: A Long Answer from Corbin about Problems (worth the read) GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-09-13 14:32:50 EDT, you write: > > << Well, it seems Corbin's customer service shortfall is universal. Too bad > it's taken so long (years!) for them to address the problem, eh? I find their response about credit card billing interesting. Last I knew, mail order purchases cannot be billed until the item is actually shipped, *BY LAW*. My card was billed several weeks prior to actually receiving the seat. I e-mailed them about this - no response. Perhaps their change of billing policy was at the "suggestion" of their lawyer... gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 16:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: mapquest To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu This isn't exactly about PC800's but I wanted to share some info about a website called www.mapquest.com. Enter an origin and a destination and it will prepare a detailed set of directions on how to get from one to the other. It also calculates mileage. I personally enjoy planning my trips - but this is an interesting free site and I am sure I will find some use for it. Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:48:16 -0400 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Update of e-mail Hey everyone I have changed from AOL to earthlink. Old name: BRBoxman@aol.com New Name: staging@earthlink.net I still have the 94 PC bought used w/ less than 3K miles Previous owner added - 1) taller windsheild 2) radar detector 3) Bra 4) Passenger back rest I have added: soft luggage from RKA tankbag and trunk Talk to all soon. Blaise R. Box Duluth, GA (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:05:08 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:22:29 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: NEW WWW PAGE DESIGN!!!] --------------6F847C54B95 -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html --------------6F847C54B95 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:56:38 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 20:38:17 +0600 To: dkgross@halcyon.com Subject: Re: NEW WWW PAGE DESIGN!!! Content-Id: <16_64_1_841106297> Status: U Dear Web Guys (and all other Web designers on the list!), The new page looks good! Keep up the good work! However, please practice good Web design, and if you use Image Maps or other graphic pointers, also include text pointers for *all* of them. Also, avoid the glitzy "bleeding edge" gimmicks. We don't need a Java applet that animates the wheels of the bike turning if it crashes all but one web browser. Remember that Netscape is *not* a standard! There are other browsers out there! HTML 2.0 is the standard. For great tips and info about Web design, check out http://www.sun.com/styleguide/ (Sun's Guide to Web Style) http://www.sun.com/columns/alertbox/9605.html (Top 10 Design Mistakes) http://www.taoh.com/index.html (The Tao of HTML) (Sorry if you already know about all this.) I look forward to the new Page! And BTW, for the rest of the list, the photos on the old page labelled "Stereo installation from ?" are from me, and show the fiber optic "wiring" of the remote control for my CD player that I described in a post a few months ago. (I've been waiting for Neill to change the captions, hint, hint, before mentioning it to the rest of you.) Yes, that's me with the beard and red Aerostich. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles --------------6F847C54B95-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "PC 800 Group" Subject: For Sale Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:45:14 -0500 So I'll try it too. For Sale. Tall Honda PC800 Windshield. $100.00 shipped anywhere. Jeff Hopkins ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:28:05 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Michael A Jones CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mapquest Michael A Jones wrote: > > This isn't exactly about PC800's but I wanted to share some info about a > website called www.mapquest.com. Enter an origin and a destination and it > will prepare a detailed set of directions on how to get from one to the > other. It also calculates mileage. > > I personally enjoy planning my trips - but this is an interesting free > site and I am sure I will find some use for it. > > Michael > -- I checked out these guys a few months ago but found the site to be next to useless if you're traveling in CA, and I wondered if I really wanted to trust thier information elsewhere. Mapquest is fond of using highway names instead of numbers, so if your travelling through So. CA you'll get hopelessly lost. Hell, we use the stupid names locally too, and the same highway gets a different name depending on where you are and which direction you're going. And they're almost NEVER posted anywhere. I'm a local and even I can't figure out all these names. Oh well, maybe I'm just some kind of an idiot. ;) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:31:08 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Repairs to the Bat Cycle So I'm out in the Bat Cave, taking a Q-tip to the Bat Cycle (that's for you Harrison ;) ) when I notice a small crack in the Bat Armor on the bike. Not knowing which of the many encounters with the dark denizens of Gotham City's underworld may have produced the crack, still I know better than to leave it unrepaired. After all, not only does this compromise the integrity of the Bat Armor, it may interfere with some of those nifty Bat Gadgets that pop out of the Bat Cycle when I'm fighting crime. So I'm off to the local Bat Hardware store for repair materials. (Yes, I build all of the various Bat Stuff myself, using interesting materials like duct tape and copper tubing.) Returning home with some epoxy putty I begin the repair. After many hours (OK, about 10 minutes) of hammering, grinding, and the use of the Bat Jackhammer (I built the secret road to the Bat Cave myself you know) I have finally finished the repair. It is strong, and the crack should not spread any farther. I have decided to leave the scar, or badge of courage as some would call it, (mostly because my Bat Skills fall a little short in the area of cosmetic repair) as a stout reminder of what the Bat Cycle can withstand. Eric aka Bat Dude ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:24:37 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Struggle HELP !!!!!! SUPPORT !!!!!! STRUGGLE !!!!!! GOVERNMENT This message is from all bikers in Holland There is a law under cunstuction by our government to ban all traffic (especially bikers)from our dike-roads. These roads are the most wonderful twisty roads in Holland. We all pay our taxes, so there for we have the right to use all kinds of roads. A few raods have been closed already Also fuel prices will increase to about fl. 2,00 - fl. 2,50 (about $1.17US - $1.50US) maybe more for one litre of fuel, so it will be cheaper to just stay at home and watch tv than to go touring over our wonderful dike-roads. It is better to say that they want to ban all Motorcyclists. If you want to support us in our struggle for free road use please print out the form below and sign it, and send it back to (please before the end of october): M.A.G. PO. box 94348 1090 GH Amsterdam Netherlands M.A.G. stands for: Motorcyclists Action Group M.A.G. is a member of the F.E.M. (Federation of European Motorcyclists) ************************ FORM ***************************** Yes I (we) will join you in your struggle for free read use ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________ __________________________ 1 2 ___________________________ __________________________ 3 4 ___________________________ __________________________ 5 6 ___________________________ __________________________ 7 8 ------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for supporting us M.A.G. PO. box 94348 1090 GH Amsterdam Netherlands ********************************************************** We will keep you posted ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: PC800 list Subject: Re: Struggle On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Gerard Diepeveen wrote: > HELP !!!!!! SUPPORT !!!!!! STRUGGLE !!!!!! GOVERNMENT > > This message is from all bikers in Holland > > There is a law under cunstuction by our government to > ban all traffic (especially bikers)from our dike-roads. I am sorry to hear this. Gay rights continue to be an issue and a struggle here in the U.S. as well. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:19:58 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine test ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine test ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:20:04 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Subject: BMW motorcycle e-mail address Now that I have a PC800 I have no need for my BMW motorcycle. Does anyone know the BMW users e-mail address so I can place a "For Sale" ad???? Thanks!!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:17:12 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:16:46 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Now that I have a PC800 I have no need for my BMW motorcycle. Does anyone know the e-mail address for the BMW users group so I can place a "For Sale" ad??? Thanks!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Installation To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) Wow, I just got back from vacation and finished ploughing through all my accumulated email -- including over 150 new PC800 messages. Regarding the Corbin seat discussion: I ordered one just before I left on vacation, and will be going to the factory to have it custom-fitted and installed about a week from now. Dave G. mentioned that his redesigned seat doesn't quite fit snug up to the "gas tank cover", and that his brother had a bit of trouble with the rear part of his new seat. Dave also suggested that perhaps a Bay Area volunteer might be needed to leave their PC with Corbin for a few days to fix any remaining flaws with the new design. Since I'm going to the factory anyway, I'd be more than willing to take along any concerns that list members might have. And if Dave can give me the name of his contact at Corbin, I can arrange to leave them my PC if necessary. Either way, I'll give a detailed report of how the new seat fits both the bike and my behind in a few weeks. -=Mike=- -- "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 00008CEE; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:31:49 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:29:23 -0700 From: MIrizar@symantec.com (Mikel Irizar) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Couldn't wait --IMA.Boundary.905198248 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi everybody: This is Mikel, the one who was saving money to buy the PC next May...but on Saturday morning I was relaxing at home when I got a call from a local dealer telling me he had a customer wanting to sell his PC. I went there and the looks great; it is a 91, it has a Riffle windshield, 12,000 miles, he will give me the cover, and he is asking for $4,500. I asked for credit approval on Saturday and I will probably get a call today to tell me I am approved. I hate asking for credit...but I think this is an opportunity I shouldn't pass. Am I right?? Is this a great deal price/quality?? I will need your comments soon :-) since I will make my decision between today and tomorrow. Thanks for your comments Mikel --IMA.Boundary.905198248 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 0000895F; Mon, 16 Sep 96 07:29:37 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id HAA10313 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 07:35:12 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22178; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:29:25 -0500 (CDT) 16 Sep 1996 09:29:15 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:20:10 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21696 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:20:04 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:20:04 -0500 (CDT) SMTP; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Subject: BMW motorcycle e-mail address --IMA.Boundary.905198248-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Mikel Irizar Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Couldn't wait Sounds like an O.K. buy, Mikel, but it is NOT a great buy. What color is it? There were no '91s sold in America. On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Mikel Irizar wrote: > > > > Hi everybody: > > This is Mikel, the one who was saving money to buy the PC next > May...but on Saturday morning I was relaxing at home when I got a call > from a local dealer telling me he had a customer wanting to sell his > PC. I went there and the looks great; it is a 91, it has a Riffle > windshield, 12,000 miles, he will give me the cover, and he is asking > for $4,500. I asked for credit approval on Saturday and I will > probably get a call today to tell me I am approved. > > I hate asking for credit...but I think this is an opportunity I > shouldn't pass. Am I right?? Is this a great deal price/quality?? > > I will need your comments soon :-) since I will make my decision > between today and tomorrow. > > Thanks for your comments > > Mikel (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 00009549; Mon, 16 Sep 96 13:21:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:17:50 -0700 From: MIrizar@symantec.com (Mikel Irizar) To: "Richard A. Hardy" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Couldn't wait --IMA.Boundary.603509248 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Yeap...you are all right. It is a 90 because it is Candy Glory Red. They told me they are not going down, so... :-( Thanks for your comments Mikel ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Couldn't wait Author: "Richard A. Hardy" at INTERNET Date: 9/16/96 10:58 AM Sounds like an O.K. buy, Mikel, but it is NOT a great buy. What color is it? There were no '91s sold in America. On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Mikel Irizar wrote: > > > > Hi everybody: > > This is Mikel, the one who was saving money to buy the PC next > May...but on Saturday morning I was relaxing at home when I got a call > from a local dealer telling me he had a customer wanting to sell his > PC. I went there and the looks great; it is a 91, it has a Riffle > windshield, 12,000 miles, he will give me the cover, and he is asking > for $4,500. I asked for credit approval on Saturday and I will > probably get a call today to tell me I am approved. > > I hate asking for credit...but I think this is an opportunity I > shouldn't pass. Am I right?? Is this a great deal price/quality?? > > I will need your comments soon :-) since I will make my decision > between today and tomorrow. > > Thanks for your comments > > Mikel --IMA.Boundary.603509248 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 000090AB; Mon, 16 Sep 96 10:58:30 -0700 Mailer.symantec.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA21773 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Mikel Irizar Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Couldn't wait --IMA.Boundary.603509248-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:59:34 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Where's Cory??? At 02:15 AM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >Where did Cory move to in Ohio and why? > >Inquiring minds want to know..... Sorry for the delay in this response. Cory was transfered by the US Air Force to Wright-Patterson (sp?)AFB in Ohio, near Cincinatti. Last time I talked to him he was stuck in "Beautiful downtown Smithers, BC" with a blown piston in his Chevy S-10 "Honda Hauler" He was going to get a new engine shipped from Vancouver and have it installed by the local Chevy dealer. Since this is the second engine in as many vehicles he's gone through this summer (not to mention a possible stator failure in his '89 PC "Millenium Turtle"), I have given him his new indian name: "Slayer of Engines." Last time I talked to him was about a week and a half ago. His route was going to take him through the Seattle area to visit his brother, down to the L.A. area to visit a friend, then cut north-east across Arizona and New Mexico on his way to Ohio. I'll pass on any updates as I hear from him. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 000099E9; Mon, 16 Sep 96 15:41:52 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:40:17 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) Subject: Rejoining the list To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Name: Russell C. Jackson (Rusty) Location: Palmdale, CA Email: rjackson@symantec.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1990 Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: Rear Seat Rest, Amp and Speakers for Portable CD Player and a +6 Rifle Fairing. I hope the list is still as active as it was last year when I was here. Look forward to hearing from some of you. Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rejoining the list From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Sep 1996 18:19:43 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "RJ" == Russell Jackson writes: RJ> I hope the list is still as active as it was last year when I was here. I think you'll find that it's become somewhat busier. Perhaps I should kick out some statistics. Welcome back. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:24:11 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: Corbin Seat Ordered This past weekend Debbie and I spent the weekend in Monterey as I have some business in San Francisco the early part of the week. I drove up to Corbin's Workshop in Castroville early Saturday morning to check out the place, talk to the people there about some of the problems that have been making the rounds on this list as well as the HSTA and then decide if I was going to get a new saddle for the PC. Unfortunately, Mike Corbin wasn't in (hey, I didn't expect the bossman in on a Saturday); but they had a full crew there working to get out the seats. I talked to Julio at the front counter and he said they have made a lot of changes since mid-August and they hoped that would solve the customer service problems. There were about five riders there who had ordered their saddle and had brought down there motorcycle to have the new seat installed there. I guess that is one way to make sure you have a perfect fit (but it is a long ride from Atlanta). To make a long story short, I was impressed with the attitude of the folks I met and went ahead and ordered a seat. Now here is the wierd part. Julio said that if I ordered the seat there, he would start it that day and it should be shipped by Tuesday at the latest. On the other hand, if I called the 800 number, it would take about 4 weeks for me to get the seat. I sure don't understand that difference, unless in-person orders must go to the head of the line. Anyway, hopefully I will have my new seat waiting for me when I get back and I will let you know how the installation goes. Ride Safe, Dave Lott 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 22:21:25 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu 1. Is anybody using Mobil 1 in their Coast? Any thoughts one way or the other? I'm a little concerned about Honda's 8,000 mile service interval. 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? If so, what wattage and what did you think? Sign me up for a shirt. Mike Larson milar@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:58:35 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Re: Headlight At 10:21 PM 9/17/96 UT, you wrote: > > 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? If so, what >wattage and what did you think? >>Mike Larson >milar@msn.com > I have just installed a Blazer Projector Beam Fog Lamp System onto the fairing of my PC (underneath the headlight). The beam is a flat narrow beam that extends the length of my dim light beam, but greatly intensifies it and allows a greater lateral illumination. It doesn't seem to bother oncoming motorists, and it certainly helps me to see during night driving. Hope this helps! Mica Landry micaland@communique.net Mica F. Landry, DVM micaland@communique.net PO Box 1146 Donaldsonville, LA 70346 Phone: (504)473-6029 Fax: (504)473-4209 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Mike Larson'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:47:08 -0700 There's some who use Mobil 1 and like it. Personally I've tried it and didn't find the shifting as smooth as when using Golden Spectro. I'm back to Golden Spectro again after that one Mobil 1 diversion. As for headlight bulbs, I've been using an 80/100 with good success for a couple years. Others have commented that it may and can get too hot and melt things. Thus far I've had no trouble but others have. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Headlight From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Sep 1996 20:46:55 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "ML" == Mica Landry writes: ML> I have just installed a Blazer Projector Beam Fog Lamp System onto the ML> fairing of my PC (underneath the headlight). No fair! At least tell us how much you paid, where you got it from and what it was like to install it. A previous list member (now riding an ST) put the projector-beam lights on the crash protectors. His report is in the archives. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "Mike Larson" , Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:40:07 -0500 Mike, I've run Castrol Syntec in my '89 since I bought it and highly recommend it. I use the 5W50, and change it about every 7500. I've run it for 49000 miles with no trouble. Honda's interval is too long for me. Jeff Hopkins ---------- > From: Mike Larson > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: > Date: Tuesday, September 17, 1996 5:21 PM > > > > 1. Is anybody using Mobil 1 in their Coast? Any thoughts one way or the > other? I'm a little concerned about Honda's 8,000 mile service interval. > > 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? If so, what > wattage and what did you think? > > Sign me up for a shirt. > > Mike Larson > milar@msn.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: "Bryce Ulrich" , "'Mike Larson'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: RE: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:42:36 -0500 80-100 bulbs are illegal in Oklahoma ---------- > From: Bryce Ulrich > To: 'Mike Larson' ; 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: RE: > Date: Tuesday, September 17, 1996 7:47 PM > > There's some who use Mobil 1 and like it. Personally I've tried it and > didn't find the shifting as smooth as when using Golden Spectro. I'm > back to Golden Spectro again after that one Mobil 1 diversion. > > As for headlight bulbs, I've been using an 80/100 with good success for > a couple years. Others have commented that it may and can get too hot > and melt things. Thus far I've had no trouble but others have. > > -bryceu > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 > Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA > '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" > AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:56:50 -0400 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: Mica Landry CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Mica Landry wrote: > > At 10:21 PM 9/17/96 UT, you wrote: > > > > 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? If so, what > >wattage and what did you think? > >>Mike Larson > >milar@msn.com > > > > I have just installed a Blazer Projector Beam Fog Lamp System onto the > fairing of my PC (underneath the headlight). The beam is a flat narrow beam > that extends the length of my dim light beam, but greatly intensifies it and > allows a greater lateral illumination. It doesn't seem to bother oncoming > motorists, and it certainly helps me to see during night driving. > > Hope this helps! > > Mica Landry > micaland@communique.net > Mica F. Landry, DVM micaland@communique.net > PO Box 1146 > Donaldsonville, LA 70346 > > Phone: (504)473-6029 > Fax: (504)473-4209 > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. That sounds interesting, I too would like to know what, where and how much. Blaise. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:09:33 -0400 From: "Blaise R. Box" To: PC800 group Subject: PC Radio/Intercom Hey all: Does anyone know where we can get a listing of the available products for the PC from Honda ?? Is there a catalog ??? Parts list ??? Also, I am specifically looking for info on radio communications and intercoms. I remember seeing in one of the Star magazines a photo of someone that had an antenea on their PC. I was thinking that maybe we could adapt one from the GoldWing or similar. Any thoughts ??? Also, what other add-ons have others made to their bikes ?? Just looking for ideas. Blaise. 94 PC Duluth, Ga ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:56:20 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Mica Landry Subject: Re: Re: Headlight At 08:46 PM 9/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> "ML" == Mica Landry writes: > >No fair! At least tell us how much you paid, where you got it from and >what it was like to install it. > I paid $39.99(plus our horrendous 8% sales tax) at the local auto zone. Honestly, I didn't install it-- a friend who rides a Gold Wing did. Didn't seem to be too much of a problem. The lights have a sticky adhesive strip which appears to hold them on just fine. I'll find out exactly how it was done and let you know. The lights really work well. Incidentally, there is a 37.5 Watt set and a 50 Watt set-- I have the 37.5 Watt set. Mica Mica F. Landry, DVM micaland@communique.net PO Box 1146 Donaldsonville, LA 70346 Phone: (504)473-6029 Fax: (504)473-4209 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 21:04:08 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Mobile 1 Content-Id: <57_56_1_843008648> I only just bought my 800 Elite. However, I used Mobil 1 in my CM450E for the last 63,500 miles and it is running fine. (The chain maintenance along with replacing the rear bearings every 25,000 miles got to me. I only had about 12,000 to go.) I noticed the biggest difference with Mobil 1 in the heat in stop and go traffic. The CM450E is an air cooled twin. In stop and go traffic (I commute on my bike) it got real hot. With regular oil the clutch made a lot more noise in stop and go traffic on a hot sunny day. With Mobil 1 it quieted down considerably. I switched back and forth a couple of times to verify. I never tried Castrol because somewhere my manual expressly forbid the use of any oil with whatevver it is that is in Castrol (graphite?). Something about the clutch I think. I'm sorry I can't remember, but that was a long time ago and once I found Mobil 1 I only tried one other Oil and that was only because I moved and couldn't find a good source of Mobil 1 for awhile. I tried EXP but Mobil 1 was better. Try this experiment: On a cold winter day, open a bottle of Mobil 1 and a bottle of your best 5w-30 oil. Pour them both into a container. The Mobil 1 will pour like it is 70 degrees (F) out, but the best oil will barely come out of the can! Which do you want lubricating your engine during those first critical few minutes? Mobil 1 doesn't break down under heat as quickly as oil does either. Spectro Golden Four is partly synthetic. Using some real oil reduces costs. I would recommend changing your oil no less than every 2000 miles if using Mobil 1, and no less than every 1000 miles if using regular oil. Honda's 4000 mile intervals won't give you the longest engine life. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! // '96 Pacific Coast ($7650 including setup) // Accessories were extra. (Boy were they! Even with a discount.) //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 22:21:25 +0000 > From: "Mike Larson" > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > > 1. Is anybody using Mobil 1 in their Coast? Any thoughts one way or the > other? I'm a little concerned about Honda's 8,000 mile service interval. > Mike Larson > milar@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: vierhel@ibm.net Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 21:20:22 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Id: <57_56_1_843009622> Someone asked about accessories. These are what I bought: Custom fitted bags for inside the trunk $56.02 Tall Windshield $230.95 Scuff Pads $40.95 Headlight guard $50.00 (this might have been custom fashioned by the dealer) Dow Dacron G125 cover $84.95 Front Mudguard $31.95 Trunk Light $33.03 You might get better prices. I think these are list less 10%. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // Todd Vierheller // vierhel@ibm.net // Seattle, WA // Pacific Coast 1996 // This mail (and everything else) looks better under OS/2! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Oil From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Sep 1996 00:30:16 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "JH" == Jeff Hopkins writes: JH> I've run Castrol Syntec in my '89 since I bought it and highly JH> recommend it. I use the 5W50, and change it about every 7500. And, for the other side of the coin, I ran 5W50 Syntec once and immediately started having transmission problems. It jumped out of gear, made evil grinding and ratcheting sounds and other bad things. I went back to dead dino and everything went back to normal. My theory is that 5W was simply too light, but who knows? I'm going to try Mobil 15W50 next. As always, your milage may vary. - J< (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:39:55 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:39:55 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: NOT a pc trip Hi guys, I just thought this would introduce a bit of exotica into your=20 daily read,.....I took this trip about a year ago, but hope it is not TOO=20 far off purpose........ The Thailand Adventure or Baptism of fire or The Seventh Curve Incident Over the last decade or so most countries have established a quite=20 rigorous set of procedures for issuing motorcycle licenses. Written tests,= =20 physical tests, obstacle negotiation and even mandatory rider courses are=20 common. Certainly the rapidly dropping motorcycle accident fatality rates=20 are linked to such well thought out licensing rules. However, some of us =20 who did not have the benefit of these modern techniques are still riding,=20 and have gone without serious accident. I learned to ride in the shopping=20 center across the road from my dealer, ten minutes of circles and I rode my= =20 new machine home. Of course that was twenty years ago! =20 This story is about my friend Ken, who, although he first rode a motorcycle= =20 just last month, did not have the advantage of any of the new training=20 methods. But he lived, and he had fun, and was it ever an adventure! Ken and I were planning a vacation in Thailand when I learned that renting= =20 motorcycles there is both easy and cheap. So to prepare he went off to the= =20 local DMV to get a learners permit. With that accomplished we had every =20 intention of getting together for many instruction sessions before our=20 departure date. Surprise, surprise! With pressures of work, and in the rush= =20 to get ready for our big vacation, all we really managed was two thirty=20 minute sessions on my Yamaha 100 on the quiet street in front of the local= =20 school. =8Eh well", I said,"we will see what the situation looks like when= we=20 get to Thailand and then decide what to do. " The motorcycle situation in Thailand was certainly an eye opener. It=20 seemed like everyone rides a motorcycle. From the two 14 year olds on their= =20 way to Junior High, to the immaculately dressed female executive with her=20 leather briefcase in the carry basket up front. Normal speed looked fairly= =20 slow but the traffic volume was stupendous, and no one wore any protective= =20 clothing. Helmets seemed to be on one in ten riders. It looked dangerous but= =20 oh so exciting! We took the overnight bus out of Bankok, north to the smaller mountain city= =20 of Chiang Mai, the center of the "hill tribe"area and a popular tourist=20 destination. After a quick ride through rush hour traffic, ten of us plus=20 luggage in the back of a small pick-up truck, we checked into our quaint and= =20 clean guest house at a cost of $3 for our double room. Chiang Mai has many= =20 magnificently designed and constructed temples ( Wats ) and the biggest=20 crafts markets in the country, but just yet we had no time for these. We=20 wanted to check out the "transport options!" Allready I had been overwhelmed by the types of motorcycles I had seen. Law= =20 in Thailand requires all locally manufactured machines to be under 150 c.c.,= =20 and it seems they have developed the best such bikes in the world. I had=20 seen numerous box framed, water cooled, disk braked and expansion chambered= =20 two-stroke step through scooters! Each manufacturer also has a 150c.c. "boy= =20 racer"that looks like it would have enough power and handling to own the= road. Unfortunately the selection of rental machinery was not as varied, most=20 shops offering only automatic 100c.c. Honda step-throughs. I suggested to=20 Ken that he might want one of these, but he decided he wanted a "real=20 bike,"one on which he could learn proper shifting and riding techniques.=20 After a search of for or five shops we found what we needed. For $7 a day I= =20 rented a potent mini-racer. It looked like a 2/3 scale CBR 600, but I later= =20 found out that the single cylinder two stroke water cooled motor was all of= =20 105c.c.! With 19 h.p. and only 220 lbs. it certainly had plenty of "scat"up= =20 to it's top speed of 80 mph. Ken hired an older design full size Yamaha with= =20 a 135c.c. air cooled motor. Surprisingly this machine had a wide power band,= =20 and with a more upright riding position was an excellent learning bike. Both= =20 machines would prove easily capable of the 60-70 mph speeds common on the=20 open highways, and were certainly superb in the twisties. The next day our riding adventure began, right in the middle of rush hour= =20 traffic! We studied the route carefully to determine the easiest way out of= =20 town, but only got a few hundred yards when the first one way street blocked= =20 our progress. A quick u-turn against oncoming traffic gave Ken his first=20 heart-stopper. Two "wheelies"and a multitude of clutch-jerking later and he= =20 was safely stopped by the roadside breathing heavily. "Great,"I said=20 encouragingly,"You are still alive and now pointed in the correct= direction!" For ten relatively uneventful miles we followed the stop and go traffic to= =20 the city's outskirts. Finally, the rural section of road began. Beautiful=20 asphalt with smooth winding curves. I couldn't resist the temptation and=20 sped up a bit to explore the handling of my responsive new machine. I=20 figured I would stop a few miles ahead to let Ken catch up. Well, the good news is he made the first six curves successfully. On number= =20 seven he made the classic learner error of swinging too wide, crossed to=20 the other side, and dropped it on the sand and grass shoulder. I found him= =20 very dusty, picking up a bent machine and surveying the holes in the four=20 corners of his clothing. Tragedy averted by the luck of no oncoming traffic= =20 when he crossed the road. Luckily I had packed a rudimentary tool kit, and a careful hours work=20 determined no parts necessary for operation had been broken. I cleared away= =20 the smashed quarter fairing and windshield, headlight and right turn signal.= =20 One handlebar was bent at a disconcerting angle, but a quick test ride=20 proved the bike operational. As we pressed on I was thinking to myself maybe this "baptism of fire" was= =20 not such a good idea after all. I wondered if I had Ken's parent's phone=20 number in my address book. And I noticed with some satisfaction that he was= =20 now riding with great caution. Fortunately the remaining 120 miles to our=20 planned stop in Chiang Rai were lightly travelled and the roads in good=20 condition. We arrived by mid afternoon, Ken tired and a little sore but=20 triumphant with his first day"s survival Chiang Rai is a charming town of about 40,000 people, fully steeped= =20 in North Thai culture, with a number of clean and quiet $3 per night=20 guesthouses for the travelling "farangs" (foreigners). That evening we=20 strolled around downtown taking in the strange sights and smells. The=20 tremendous culinary bargains were irresistible, at a streetside restaurant I= =20 chose the frogs legs in ginger for the princely sum of $1. The next morning we asked at our guest house for directions to the= =20 nearest motorcycle service shop where we might try to get Ken's Yamaha=20 repaired. Although it was rideable he did not relish taking it back to the= =20 rental shop looking so mangled. The shop made quick work of the repairs. As= =20 we were soon to learn, foreign bikers get special treatment in Thailand, and= =20 all current jobs were dropped to repair the "tourist"machine. The mechanic= =20 made an inspection and was off to the parts distributor in a flash. Within= =20 an hour he had replaced the quarter fairing, windshield,headlight and turn= =20 signal with all new parts. Ken was shocked when he got the bill, it was just= =20 over $20! It seems inconceivable that such repairs could be completed for=20 that price. Heck, in the U.S.A. the decals they had painstakingly applied to= =20 each side of the fairing would have cost more than that. We decided Thailand= =20 was not such a bad country to learn to motorcycle in after all! To show our= =20 appreciation for a job well done we bought two new helmets. I paid $12 for= =20 an open face with flip up shield, Ken's full face cost $15. Isn't this=20 money stuff incredible? Later in the trip my exhaust pipe cracked right off= =20 and had to be removed and welded, while Ken's clutch cable broke. Each=20 repair cost $3. Later that afternoon we took a run up a fantastic winding and=20 perfectly surfaced road to the Doi Tung Royal Villa. At over 2000 ft.=20 elevation it offered superb views across the mountainous countryside to the= =20 border in Myanmar (Burma) and is a very popular spot for foreign and=20 domestic tourists. Meandering along the local roads we began to realize the= =20 great advantage of having our own transport in a country where 95% of=20 foreign tourists travel by bus and train. Visiting hill tribe villages is=20 common on most tours, but these tourists see villages that are assailed each= =20 week by another busload. With the motorcycles we were able to choose=20 isolated locations, where we were received as if celebrities. With our penchant for the unknown we decided to head East the next=20 morning, away from the "Golden Triangle"area that is one of the more heavily= =20 touristed areas of Thailand. We had purchased a thin road guide written by= =20 an Australian resident motorcyclist that proved a great help in deciding=20 which roads to select. Generally the maps did not indicate much about road= =20 condition or difficulty. Still, we are adventurers, and if the guide said=20 the road was passable on a street machine we were willing to tackle it.=20 After many miles of up and down on switchback mountain roads, about half=20 gravel surfaced, we reached Chang Kham for the night. After a dinner of=20 "Serpent's Head"for me and "Stuffed Pig's Legs"for Ken we sat in the local= =20 square and watched the teenagers buzz around on their scooters. As we seemed= =20 to be the only guests at the only hotel (called HOTEL) in town that night,= =20 we were pretty sure we were the only "white guys"in the area, as we saw no= =20 others that evening. We felt absolutely no fear of crime or any concern for= =20 our safety outside, that or any other night in Thailand. We continued on roads looping through the provincial capital of=20 Nan, then returned north to Chiang Rai and back to Chiang Mai by a new=20 route. We didn't keep an exact record, but my guess is we covered about 600= =20 miles. Of course for a lot of those miles Ken was taking lessons in rear=20 wheel steering ( uphill dirt) and no- front- braking ( downhill dirt ).=20 Riding such a lightweight machine, was, I'm sure, a factor in his success. I imagine you have figured out that I was pretty impressed with our= =20 motorcycling experience in Thailand. I would recommend it to anyone looking= =20 for a unique blend of adventure, great food and hospitable people. For such= =20 a "foreign"country everything seemed to fall into place so easily. As we=20 did, anyone can just get a Thai visa ( good for 30 days) and book a flight= =20 to Bankok. When you arrive tell the taxi driver to take you to Khao San=20 Road, the heart of the "backpacker"accommodation district. Transport up=20 north leaves from there every evening and is easy to arrange. The ten hour= =20 bus trip costs $15. And one last hint, leave space in your baggage allowance= =20 for that new bag stuffed full of the most fabulous clothing you have ever=20 purchased! I guarantee you will have the best motorcycle vacation of your= life. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" , "'Honda Sport Touring Association'" Subject: Riding the Bunburner 1500 (long) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:22:33 -0700 > > >Well I did it. I successfully rode my motorcycle 1500 miles in less than 36 >hours for the simple reason of saying I did it. Yahoo! > >On Friday Sept 13 at 12 noon I headed off from Cascade BMW in Kirkland on a >route that would take me around the perimeter of Washington State. The >rules, as outlined by the Iron Butt Association (http://www.ironbutt.com/) >and sponsor of the event, dictated I had to make 15 designated stops and >gather a sales receipt at cities along the route. I would also need to >complete the ride within 36 hours (midnight on Saturday). My bike of choice >was my '89 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) as we were well accustomed to long >rides together (about 15k miles a year) and all sorts of weather (heat, rain, >and even snow and ice). > >When I left there were about 50 other riders crowding the parking lot and >anxious to go. There was a choice of three route and most had chosen the >route that would take them directly East to Montana on Hwy 2. I thought that >was the a wise choice if speed and simplicity were top priority. I felt I >wanted a little more challenge so I picked the route around Washington state. > The third route was along the perimeter of western WA and a loop deep into >western and central Oregon. > >If you pull out a map of WA it's fairly easy to follow my route. Look for >the roads that follow the edges of the state and you've got my route Very >few Interstate miles -- almost everything would be single lane highways that >liked to follow the shape of mountains and rivers in their path. This was >not a straight route but more of a giant loop. From Kirkland head north on >Hwy 9 to Snohomish for checkpoint #1. Later take 530 East to Darrington for >checkpoint #2. Follow Hwy 20 over the North Cascades and visit checkpoints >in Winthrop (#3), Omak (#4), Kettle Falls(#5), and Newport (#6). After >Spokane I'd hook up with Hwy 195 South and detour to Pullman for checkpoint >#7. Then it's Hwy 12 to Walla Walla (#8) and Hwy 14 going west along the >Columbia River to Goldendale (#9). Next Vancouver (#10) and Longview and >then out to the Pacific coast and Long Beach (#11). Hwy 101 would take me >north and around the Olympic Peninsula with stops at Ocean Shores (#12), >Forks(#13), Port Angeles (#14), and Shelton (#15). From Olympia I'd finally >get on Interstate 5 for one last dash back to Kirkland (the start and >finish). If all went well the bike would run, I would stay awake, and the >deer would stay out of my way. > >I should mention that I was running this route in reverse of the couple of >other guys doing it as specified by the Iron Butt Association. In looking at >the weather I thought I'd see a great deal of rain in the western half of WA >for both Friday and Saturday. I knew I'd have to come over the North >Cascades in the rain and evening darkness if I stuck to the original plan. >I'd ridden that road a couple of times in the dark and I knew the deer like >to play there. The original plan had the Olympic Peninsula as the last >barrier. The Peninsula was where I'd grown up and the route had me passing >by my mom's house (bonus). I felt the Olympic Peninsula was the better >choice for an easier finish. Of course this meant I'd be all alone and would >not likely see another rider till somewhere near the midpoint. If I broke >down or needed some encouragement I'd have nobody there to help. I took the >chance anyway. > >The first couple hours out went very slowly. Lots of mid-day traffic and it >really hurt when I hit the construction on my way to Darrington. Hwy 530 was >being repaved. Actually more like torn up and rebuilt! Twice I was forced >to wait 15 minutes for a pilot car to guide me through the mess. Once the >car showed up it was 20mph on sand, pea gravel, and dirt while dodging heavy >equipment and the ruts they leave behind. I estimate I lost about an hour's >worth of time in that 45 mile section. This was not going to be easy to make >up and in my mind was a horrible way to start. > >The North Cascades and Okanogan areas were uneventful. The road is single >lane each way and is very pretty if you have the time to look around. It's >also a good twisty road that normally would be a dream come true for anyone >on 2 wheels -- not good if you want to fly and cover a lot of miles though. >I gassed up at the checkpoints fast and kept riding to cover as many miles as >I could -- safely -- before darkness came. > >About 8pm I was in Kettle Falls and it was finally dark. I gassed up and >walked next door for dinner. 25 minutes later I was riding again through the >Selkirk Mountains in the far NE corner of WA state. Hit a few patches of >thick fog which slowed me down some. > >I came pretty close to running over a porcupine. I was coming up over a rise >in the road and as my headlight came back down on the road I saw this animal >lumbering along on the centerline facing the same direction I was headed. I >had about 1 second to realize what it was and decide I didn't have to move to >miss it. I blew past it at 65mph and my foot probably missed him by a few >inches. The rest of that evening had a few more high pucker moments as I >came across possums, coyotes, and raccoons. No deer thankfully the whole >trip but I was always watching for them. Actually being surprised by an >animal once in awhile has the bonus effect of waking me up with a good shot >of adrenaline. > >At midnight I pulled into the college town of Pullman and was amazed to see >nobody around but kids hanging out on some street corners. "Amazed" because >nothing in town was open. What were they doing? It was a damp cold 50 >degrees and not a spectacular Friday night. There were cops patrolling and I >was followed for a little while on my search for an open gas station. >Finally found one when I was about to give up and filled my almost empty >tank. I was back out on the freeway moments later. > >Once you get to Pullman you are in wheat country. The road is up and down, >fairly straight, and with a few long high speed turns. I'd been looking >forward to the time I could get going 85mph+ and make some time. Problem was >it was pitch dark, I was getting tired, and I was getting spooked once in a >while by the occasional road-kill-wannabe. I did the best I could and >finally called it quits at 3am in a little town called Dixie just 10 miles >north of Walla Walla (#8). I rented a cheap motel room and grimly noted I'd >only covered 640 miles in 15 hours. The thought was sleeping 3 hours and >losing more time hurt but I knew it had to be done. I had hoped to have 750 >miles by now and be feeling good that I was on pace (300 miles every 6 >hours). Oh well, I'd make it up in the morning I thought. > >I was awake at 6am (barely) and stumbled into the hot shower. Stood there >for along time. It was raining outside and that was a big discouragement. I >had hope to really fly that morning along the Columbia river and towards >Portland. The roads were fast and wide open. But the rain was going to slow >me down. I had hours of time to make up and didn't feel very positive about >it. I wanted to quit. But after my shower the rain had stopped. I took >that as a good sign and packed up and hit the road --- fast! > >If you have to ride a lot of miles in a short time, your head can go nuts >calculating where you should be and when. How many miles have I gone so far? >(650mi). How many more do I have to go? (850mi) How fast do I have to go if >I'm going to make it by midnight, with 8 more gas stops, food, and whatever >else gets in my way? Answer: You won't have an extra minute buddy. You've >got to ride fast and hard and not stop for anything but a checkpoint receipt. > I decided I would go for it anyway and reevaluate my progress at noon, 6am, >and 9pm and see if I'd make it or not. I had to quit calculating and >recalculating if I was going to keep my sanity. Instead I started thinking >about my riding. I worked on smooth throttle and braking first. Later I >worked on fast lines through the turns. Yehaw -- I'm moving fast now! > >Well the rain started again within an hour of leaving. Bummer. It was light >at first so I kept the speeds up. I figured the roads had been cleaned up >with the rains earlier and it was just me booking down the road at 7am. I >saw a few bikes going the other way and wondered if they were Bunburner >riders. We waved at each other and I did my best to tell them telepathically >that they needed to haul ass if they were going to get through that >construction mess in Darrington and still finish on time. I hope they heard >me. > >I made good time despite the rain and started gaining miles (I was still a >mental calculation animal). I ate a Powerbar when I gassed up in Goldendale >(#9) and asked if they'd seen other riders early that morning. Nope. I kept >ripping despite the increasing rain. About a level 5 now on a 1-10 scale >with 10 being the worst. The road was more challenging along the Columbia >now -- more like a mountain road -- as I traversed the infamous Columbia >Gorge. > >Vancouver (#10) was uneventful except it was the 1000 mile mark and I had >made it by noon. Yipee! Calculation freaks will note that I had 12 more >hours to go the remaining 500 miles. Easy right? Well don't forget it's >rural, mountains, it will get dark, and it's still raining (factor 5). I >turned up north on Interstate 5 and rolled on the throttle. Earlier I had >been able to maintain 85 to 100mph along the gorge and I did my best to do it >here as well despite some weekend traffic. I turned off at Longview and >tried not to curse the 25-35mph speed limit as the hwy made it's way through >the center of town. I can't tell you much time was lost on this route idling >along through towns like this. Hence my revised goal of doing 250miles/6 >hours. > >The rain increased to a factor 7 by the time I reached Longview (#11) on the >Pacific Ocean. Tourists all over the place anyhow and lots of lights. Time >was ticking. I head north on 101 to Aberdeen and Hoquiam. Rain is a factor >10 now and it's almost scary. There was standing water on the roads and my >helmet was loud with the tink-tink-tink of driving rain. Despite all the >fog proofing in the world the faceshield was dripping large drops of water on >BOTH sides and I was forced to leave it partially open. Even more rain got >in and my face was soaked. Fortunately the rest of me was staying mostly >dry. > >I should point out that I'm a gear freak. I believe in technology and >believe I should be prepared with and embrace whatever gear might make a trip >safer and more comfortable. For example I was wearing a Gore-Tex Aerostitch >suit, electrically heated Eclipse vest and chaps, and polarfleece from the >neck on down. My PC800 is equipped with heated handgrips, a windshield wiper >(this petered out around the 1000mi mark though), and a large trunk where I >carried 3 pair of spare gloves and hot and cold weather clothing. Oh yea I >had spare quart of gas, tools, and spare light bulbs back there too. With >all this technology I'm happy to say I was warm and dry -- with the exception >of my dripping wet (but still warm) gloves. Without all this I certainly >would not have been able to ride on in the torrent of rain for such a long >time. The worse it got the higher I turned up the thermostat to stay warm. > >The few miles from Hoquiam to Ocean Shores (#12) was almost a turning point >for me. I was still on schedule -- to the minute -- but the rain was just >killer. I was using a lot of energy looking for road hazards, trying not to >slip, trying to go fast but safe, and holding my head up high to look over >the windshield. I hadn't eaten much all day except some water, a few >Powerbars, and some beef jerky. I was alert and wide awake but I'm certain it >was the adrenaline and my determination that was keeping me going. I decided >that it wouldn't be too dangerous to ride the peninsula if the rain continued >like this once I reached the town of Forks (#13). > >The rain stopped about 40 miles from Forks. I was stunned. In fact, the sun >even came out for a little while. I was soooo relieved and inspired. Yet >another sign that I should keep going. I was still on schedule to make it >just in time so I kept riding. > >Just after Forks I started to become aware that my knees were hurting. It >wasn't a joint thing, it was the skin on my kneecaps. After trying to adjust >the multitude of layered clothing I concluded that my knees were becoming >blistered from the clothing rubbing against the skin. In all the miles I've >ridden in on extended trips I've never had something like this happen. How >does one blister their knee caps while riding a motorcycle? My butt wasn't >hurting (thanks to the wonderful Mike Corbin saddle), and my neck and hand >muscles were fatigued but not finished yet. I decided to keep calculating >speed/time/will-I-finish numbers in my head for awhile and ignore the >discomfort of my knees. > >Port Angeles (#14) came and went - I was still on track but with no extra >time/miles. I called my mom from the last gas station on the way out of town >to say I'd be coming through soon and could use a little cheering up. They >said they'd meet me at the gas station at 9pm (2 hours) with hot chocolate. >About 30 minutes out of PA it was finally dark and moments later the rain >started coming down again (factor 5). Traffic was moderate but slow till I >passed the turn off for the Hood Canal Bridge and the main road back to >Seattle/Tacoma. I was on the eastern side of the Peninsula now and heading >due south on a narrow, windy road through the mountains and later along Hood >Canal. Needless to say once the cars dropped off I was all alone to >carefully make my way through the slick turns. I had to slow way down, >several times to first gear speeds for fear of slipping on some hairpin >turns. My shoulder muscles were finally tensing up to the point of real pain >but I knew I'd be done soon. Less than 200 miles to go. > >I pulled into Shelton(#15) at 9:15 and my mom was there with her husband >John. It was raining of course and I hurried to gas up and tell them a bit >of my story. While I was inside paying my mom climbed on the bike to get a >feel for it and later commented that I looked like quite the spaceman with >all my gear and wires. I laughed as best I could (kind of a forced thing at >this point) and swigged a warm mug of hot chocolate. They estimated it would >probably take me 1:45 to get to Kirkland. I said my good-byes and hoped >there wouldn't be any freeway backups to slow me down. If their estimates >were right I should be finishing at 11pm with about 1450 miles on the >odometer. I hoped they were right and my odometer was wrong. I had been >panicked all day that 1500 miles would take till midnight exactly and >realizing now that my odometer might be off was actually a huge relief. > >I booked down the last 20 miles of Hwy 101 to Olympia and connected up with >Interstate 5 headed north. Traffic was a little heavy and the rain >fluctuated between factor 3 and 8. Fortunately everyone was in a hurry to >get home and I moved along at 65mph and did my best to ride safe. > >Once I reached Renton and turned off to I-405 at 10:30pm I knew I was going >to make it. My calculating mind confirmed that my odometer must be off and >that I could finally relax knowing that I was going to finish an hour early. >I did wage a tug-of-war battle trying to decide if I should go past Kirkland >and try to ride the extra miles to put 1500 on the odometer before midnight. >I finally decided to skip it on account of the continuing rain and that there >was a remote chance that some freak accident or unknown construction project >could slow my progress the final 25 miles and make me miss my goal. I'm so >close now I wasn't going to take the chance. > >At precisely 11pm I pulled into the BMW dealer where I had started and shut >off the engine. Someone rushed over to find out my odometer reading (1463 >miles) and my participant number (#24). I thankfully remembered to put my >kickstand down and got off the bike. Wow. I had done it! > >I turned in my receipts for them to confirm the route. They said I was the >only one to finish that route thus far and I offered that the construction at >Darrington may seriously delay the handful of riders I though who might be >coming through there. There was 9 riders still unaccounted for they said and >there was a possibility some of them might be stuck on closed Hwy 2. >Apparently there was a terrible fatality accident (not motorcycle related) >that closed the freeway for several hours and there was a chance some of the >Bunburner riders were stuck in the backup. Poor guys, I'm sure it was cold >in the rain and 40 degree temps. Even worse was seeing the minutes tick away >past midnight when they were so close to finishing. > >I asked about the other Microsofty - Mike Blaszczak, VFR750 - who had headed >off on the western WA and Oregon route. They said he had called in around >11am on Saturday to say he was withdrawing. My bet was all the rain had made >it so miserable he was having too lousy of a time. > >I watched a few other riders come in, had some hot coffee and a muffin. I >was awarded my official certificate and commemorative belt buckle (they gave >me the shirt at the start). I shook a few hands and headed the 2 miles to my >home and a soft bed. After calling mom and a few others to say I had made it >I crashed and tried not to think about mileage equations any longer. > >Post Mortem: I think I made the right decision on reversing the route. I >had guessed wrong that most of the rain would have moved past the coastal >areas but oh well. I had my four hours of clearing to get around most of the >Peninsula so that's all I really needed. My bike and equipment handled the >test very well but I should get a set of Motorport rain covers for my hands >next time. The wet helmet I feel is unavoidable. The windshield wiper was >overwhelmed and next time I'll carry some spare parts if the mounting bolt >strips again (that's what made it fail). I am VERY sore right now, >especially the muscles in my shoulders and my mildly blistered knees. > >So the question remains will I do it again? I might if the weather was >looking good or I had a few buddies to go with. I'm going to display my >route map and certificate in my office so I'll have something to illustrate >my story with. I did the Bunburner for the sake of saying I did it. Good >luck to the next guy. I hope my story helps to inspire you to do the same. > >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 >Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" >AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:35:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:52:44 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Alex Moreano , "alfred!rasorl!ras@osceola.cs.ucf.edu" , "BillyLaw@aol.com" , "Carol J. Stein" <100261.2254@compuserve.com>, David Funderburk , "Don SongDoc)" <" songdoc"@micronet.net>, epgross , Eric Matthews , James Gentry , "Jeffrey C. Burka" , "KScott2784@aol.com" , Leanna , "Ozzz1@aol.com" , pc800 , "Pleides@aol.com" , Randy , "Ricnichols@aol.com" , Steve Gross , wetleather , "WileEDude@aol.com" Subject: well..it's cute. 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(5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:49:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:07:25 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: another www page Idea http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/newpc2.html courtesy of Eric Matthews, and the lists suggestions, another graphic idea for our www page. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Sep 96 06:09:28 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Luggage compartment liners Honda makes liners for the bottom of your luggage compartment, but you can make your own out of a piece of carpet! Just make a paper pattern for the bottom of both sides of your luggage compartment, as they are different. Trace them onto a piece of carpet, cut them out, and...you have done it! Roger Prince made some years ago, then sent me the patterns, which I used...thanks! They serve to both cushion and protect the bottom of your luggage compartment, and you can't beat the cost! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 06:13:36 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: dkgross@halcyon.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: another www page Idea Dave Gross wrote: > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/newpc2.html > > courtesy of Eric Matthews, and the lists suggestions, another graphic idea for > our www page. Looks great. What it really needs is a Java Applet that will momentarily swap the image of the '89 pc with that of a Helix.:) gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:55:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Riding the Bunburner 1500 (long) To: Bryce Ulrich cc: "'pc800'" , "'Honda Sport Touring Association'" I attempted the New England 1000 (1000 miles in 24 hours or less) on Sept. 8th. The route stqrts in Augusta, Maine goes up to Bangor, then west to Burlington Vermont, south to New Haven, Conn., north thru R.I. and close to Cape Cod, circling around Boston and back up to Augusta. Participants can go on the route any time from May thru September. I decided to try it being the closest Iron Butt rally to me. I started at 7:30 am and zipped up to Bangor, then the 2 lane road Highway 2 all the way to Burlington, Vt. It was a scenic drive but slooow going thru many small towns. I finally made it to Burlington and headed south. I stopped for dinner for about 45 minutes to rest my right hand and at the 12 hour mark I was at the 500 mile mark, two hours behind my estimate. I'll finish the story next time. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:28:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject I use Mobile 1 15/50. I change my oil and oil filter about every 3,000 miles. I could probably go three times that interval without damaging the bike as a synthetic lubricant is not going to break down and lose its viscosity. The same is probably true of any of the oils sold today. I use Mobile 1 because I think it is better, and I change it more frequently than needed because I think I am protecting my bike. Neither of those premises are actually true, but it makes me feel better. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com cc: Alex Moreano , "alfred!rasorl!ras@osceola.cs.ucf.edu" , "BillyLaw@aol.com" , "Carol J. Stein" <100261.2254@compuserve.com>, David Funderburk , "Don SongDoc)" <" songdoc"@micronet.net>, epgross , Eric Matthews , James Gentry , "Jeffrey C. Burka" , "KScott2784@aol.com" , Leanna , "Ozzz1@aol.com" , pc800 , "Pleides@aol.com" , Randy , "Ricnichols@aol.com" , Steve Gross , wetleather , "WileEDude@aol.com" Subject: Re: well..it's cute. <323F47DC.3F48@halcyon.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:56:22 -0700 From: Andrew Beals it's cute and a crime to start or propagate an endless chain in california -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:39:16 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 20:38:16 +0000 Subject: Its Been Real....... All, After much thought I have decided to sell the Slug Bike (1996 red pc800) and buy a Kawasaki Concours 1000cc. The PC800 mailing list has been very educational, and helpful to me and I hope to find the caliber of people there. I have a 1989-1996 Honda shop manual and a Tour King half cover that I am looking to sell, $25.00 each. If there are any takers please E-Mail me at rmathews@us1.net. The cover comes with a bag. ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews 1995 Kawasaki Concours ________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:52:07 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: "Gary E. Klim" CC: dkgross@halcyon.com, PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: another www page Idea Gary E. Klim wrote: > Looks great. What it really needs is a Java Applet that will momentarily swap the image of the '89 pc with > that of a Helix.:) Kind of like those "when I grow up" milk ads? ;) E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:46:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Its Been Real....... >Concours I would be very interested in hearing a comparison between the PC and the Concours. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Hopkins" To: , Subject: Re: Its Been Real....... Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:52:43 -0500 A friend of mine bought a '94 Concours about a year ago. He rode it about 8000 miles before selling it (6 months). It's like an ST1100, you are leaning over too far to be comfortable. I rode it for about 30 miles on a 1000 mile trip we made and I couldn't wait to get my PC back. Jeff Hopkins ---------- > From: BernieK469@aol.com > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Its Been Real....... > Date: Wednesday, September 18, 1996 11:46 PM > > >Concours > I would be very interested in hearing a comparison between the PC and the > Concours. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:23:20 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Its Been Real....... Jeff: The reason I questioned the Concours is that I rode that bike a couple of years ago, before I had my PC, from Pompano Beach, Florida to Islamorda in the Keys. A round trip of about 300 miles. I found the Concourse to be a very unpleasant machine. At interstate speeds the vibration was enough to make your fingers go numb after a few minute of riding. The riding position was very aggressive for a touring or sport touring bike. The suspension was hard, bordering on harsh. The Concours seemed happiest, at lower speeds, on narrow curvy roads where it could use its fast acceleration to play games. As a long distance runner, a Night Hawk, with a rifle fairing would be a superior choice. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: sullivan@wavefront.com Subject: New PC To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:27:06 -0500 (CDT) Cc: djs1@po2.rv.unisys.com Richard, I read your prescription for a new pc and you have it specified pretty darn good.. Get lots of memory right now because it's priced right. I'd put 32meg in the darn thing and get windoze 95. But, you can upgrade your pc that you currently have at home with a 14000 baud external modem. I have a 1987 Amiga A1000 with a Com program that emulates a VT100 terminal, and a 14000 baud modem that I bought from a guy on the hsta list. My ISP is running a Unix system, and I have a shell account which I use all of the programs on his machine. I use Elm as the mail reader, tin as the news reader, pico as the editor, and lynx as the web browser. It took a little coaching on the part of friends to learn how to use those Unix tools, but they are efficient. I can surf the web with a old Amiga or I can telnet in from my office using the latest pentium. Here in Minneapolis, we have lots of choices but I currently pay $9.95 per month for 30 hours of connect time. My limits, I only see text no pretty pictures. Dennis J. Sullivan ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.wavefront.com/~sullivan/ | Patience, my ass! 1982 GL500 Silverwing |HSTA 5650 | I'm going to swoop down ST. PAUL, MN |AARP AMA | and kill something! -INTJ- |DOD #1939 | - one vulture to another- HSTA HOMEPAGE--->http://members.aol.com/hstaWWW/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: list hsta , PC800 Subject: Leaving List Hi gang, the following is not really PC related, so please delete now if you wish. I currently access the list through my employer's networked computer and also from home via modem. I am retiring September 30 and unscribing at that time. I have a 386DX40 at home with a 2400 modem - which is too slow for an ISP. I plan to buy a new computer and would appreciate any tips, suggestions, etc. - by private E-mail before the 30th. I'm somewhat computer literate, but no comparison with others on this list - which is why I'm asking. I'm currently thinking of a Pentium 133, with a 1.6 gig hard drive, 6X CD-ROM, 28.8 modem, 15" .28 monitor, HP 820C printer, and Logitech PageScan scanner. Then, I'll get an ISP and be back on the list. I'll use it for simple database, flowcharts (some volunteer committee work), and of course, word processing. Will probably even get into the PC world of games. Any thoughts much appreciated. Thank you. Richard Hardy by orion.webspan.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17196 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:48:27 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:55:56 -0700 From: Klassc To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Connies Guys, Lets get two things clear (As farr as I am concerned). 1 - While the Connie is very fast, and GenMar bar risers fix the reach problem there remains one SERIOUS problem. The thing VIBRATES LIKR MAD!!!! It will put your hands, body, and anything else to sleep in 10 miles. 2 - GET A MAC!!!!! I know you will miss the constant freezes and fixing your config.whatever. But the fact is Macs are great! And like the quality of a fine auto, they are worht the price. Just my 2 cents. Chris Klass 95 PC800 9400 miles (I have been busy) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:40:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:Cannery Row (Part 1) Trace, that wasn't her real name, came to J and K Streets just before the rainy season. When she first arrived, her English was very poor. It was English learned at a mission or public school somewhere in the interior. When she was ask her name she had tried to say it in English, her mispronunciation sounded like Trace, and that became her name. She was tall for a Panamanian, standing five foot six, maybe approaching five foot seven. A very slender girl with short cropped brown hair, olive skin and hazel eyes. She had small firm breasts, narrow hips, and long long legs that reached clean to the ground. J and K Streets were not just two streets, but a series of streets and alleyways lined with bars, San Blas Hotels and other establishments that catered to the military stationed in Panama, passing sailors, zone workers and other undesirables that did not fit into either Panamanian Society or Canal Zone Life. You could buy anything on the streets from a short sojourn with a girl to a San Blas Hotel to an assassination. The going price for everything was $3.00. The streets;' bars were commonly owned by syndicates of well-to-do and socially prominent Panamanians that didn't want to get their names associated with seedy bars, but enjoyed the income. They would form limited liability investment groups, similar to American Corporations, that would act as a front. Foreigners were usually employed to managed the places. The San Blas Hotels were owned by the same type of investment groups, but were operated by San Blas Indians. The San Blas Hotel rooms were often just a curtain cubical. Running water was a small bed pan and pitcher filled with water, and served with a clean white towel. Short time was $1.00 and long time was $3.00. But, the San Blas Hotels were very clean and very safe. The San Blas Indians came from a series of small islands off the coast of Panama. All the San Blas owed their allegiance to a king who received a portion of their salary. The San Blas were a sturdy people who dressed in colorful regalia, especially the women. They were extremely honest and extraordinarily clean people. We hired a San Blas from his king to care for our apartments in Panama City. We paid him $35.00 per month, his food and lodging. We called him Oto. The girls worked in the Bars. Some girls worked as waitresses, others as bartenders, but most as hostesses. The majority of the girls came from Panama's interior, but some were imported from Columbia and Venezuela. The imported girls usually worked at the classier bars which bordered on Via Spanida, like the Ancon. To get an Ancon girl you bought her a drink, struck up a conversation, and shortly ask if she wanted to leave with you. If she agreed you paid the Ancon bartender $1.50 check out fee. You paid the girl her $3,00 later. It was possible to become acquainted with an Ancon girl and check her out for the night, or even for a few days. An extended check out period required prior arrangements with the Ancom, and an increase fee of $5 to $10. The Panamanian girls that worked the streets' bars always wanted you to buy them a drink. The drinks didn't have much, if any booze in them. They cost a $1.00, and the girl got half the price. I don't think the girls were on a salary. Each time someone bought them a drink, they got a token which they turned in at the end of their shift for money. Some of the girls would leave with you for a San Blas Hotel or let you take them home at night, others wouldn't. Some girls would go with one guy and not with other guys. Some wanted money, and others wouldn't take it. Trace arrived just as the rains begin to lengthen. It rained every day in Panama, even during the dry season, at four in the afternoon. In the dry season the rain may last only for a half of an hour, but during the wet season it could rain most of the day. It never rained at night or in the early morning. Trace worked first at Charlie's, one of the cheaper bars on the strip. Charlie's consisted of a half of dozen tables, a jukebox and a wooded bar stripped from an old cruise ship. One side was totally open to the street, and there was no attempt at air conditioning. I had heard about Trace before I actually saw her. A couple of guys at work, passing my cubical on their way to the "com." center, stopped and ask if I had seen the new girl on the street? A new girl on the street was not unusual, but according to these guys, this girl was unusual. She had just started at Charlie's. She spoke English, and had real long legs. Everyone had been hitting on her, but no one so far had taken her to a San Blas. At least no one who had talked. The two guys wondered on down the hall saying over their shoulders, "she could be a challenge." It was Wednesday afternoon before I got to the streets. I had to go over to Ancon Hill, Headquarters of the Southern Command, for a meeting that afternoon. Ancon Hill was across Fourth of July Avenue from Panama City, just inside the Canal Zone. My outfit wasn't directly under the Southern Command, but we were dependent on them for support. They didn't like us. They thought we interlopers in their territory because we didn't report our activities to their command structure. We reported to our own command in Washington. The meeting started at 1 in the afternoon. It was all handshakes and smiles until we started exchanging information, then it became a game of Old Maid. They would indicate they had the information only if we specifically requested it, and could show a need to know. No collateral data was offered. By three, everyone had worn themselves out, and the meeting broke-up. D.I.A. was not going to cooperate with N.S.A., so that N.S.A. could present something that D.I.A. didn't know and get a funding edge. It all got back to who got the money. I had ridden my 125 Honda to the meeting. I had purchase the 125 from Bruce Carpenter, one of our support staff. Bruce had the bike only for a couple of months before it sold it to me. He had gotten involved with the Serviceman's Christian Center. He was selling his worldly goods to purify himself and donate the money to the Center. I think the Center was much more interested in the money, than the purification. Bruce was from Wyoming. His parents were rough and tumble ranchers, and were shocked by Bruce's conversation to radical Christianity. They complained to the military, but the military wouldn't touch a religious issue. The 125 was an ugly dark blue. It was powered by a 125 cc, air cooled , two cylinder engine with a push button stator. It always stated, and it always ran. A big difference from the Triumph I had been riding in college. The Triumph wouldn't start when rain was within 125 miles, it thought oil was a foreign contaminate which needed to be expelled and the TR required daily tinkering to keep running. The 125 was the biggest Honda you could buy in Panama. The step-through 50 cc was the first bike Honda retailed in Panama. They were sold from the center aisle of a downtown hardware store. The 250 cc came a few months later. It was followed by the 305 Dream. The meeting had been scheduled to last all afternoon, so I figured I had a couple of free hours on the military. I had an errand to do, and then a late lunch at the Tivoli. I pointed the 125 across Fourth of July Avenue and into Panama City. The streets of Panama City were a giant dodgum course. Chiva Chiva buses raced each other, through snarled traffic for the passengers waiting at the next stop. Chiva Chivas were known to stop mid-block to pick-up a paying customer, or even to backup a few hundred yards in gridlocked traffic to board a fare. Chiva Chivas were privately owned open buses that were consider a national asset, and weren't required to carry insurance. Most of the drivers in Panama City didn't have insurance. They didn't have a driver's license. The Chiva Chivas competed for street space with a sundry of trucks in differing stages of disrepair, automobiles of varying age and condition and an increasing number of motorcycles that were darting for their lives. The Panama City Taxies were the most dangerous of all. A taxi would suddenly appear in the middle of a crowded downtown side walk to deliver a passenger, scattering pedestrians in all directions. The taxi drivers thought the growing number of motorcycles were direct competition to their livelihood. If a serviceman didn't have a motorcycle he would use taxi. The drivers believed a false rumor that the military was about to banned servicemen from owning motorcycles because of the number of injures from motorcycle accidents, and the drivers were going to help the accident rate. The one piece of equipment that worked on all Panamanian vehicles was the horn. The louder the horn the faster the car. One CV 2 Renault had a air horn system under its hood that was bigger that its 2 cylinder motor. It was also louder than a ship's emergency signal. Panama City's traffic moved to the beat of pulsating horns and driver shouted insults. My first stop was a taylor shop where I was having a couple of suits made. A top quality suit could be made in Panama for round $35.00, including the material. I went through a second fitting and rode down to the Tivoli, a Canal Zone Hotel which bordered Panama City, for a afternoon lunch and maybe a little liar's dice in the lounge. The Tivoli was a giant white building, pillared in southern antebellum style, that stood overlooking Panama City, only a few feet inside the Zone. It was an overt symbol of American Colonialism. I had a slow lunch of home made soup and, ham and cheese between fresh baked bread on the Tivoli's enclosed porch. During lunch I read the latest issue of Time Magizine and that morning's New York Times. The 3 AM issues of the New York Times and the Washington Post were flown to the Zone by military aircraft every day. From my table I could look across 50 yards out of the Zone into downtown Panama City. After lunch I wondered into the lounge looking for a liar's dice game. Unusually there were no liar's dice players. Afternoon liar's dice games were and on going tradition at the Tivoli. I left my bike at the Tivoli and walked across Fourth of July Avenue to J and K Streets. My next stop was the Ancon Bar for a Seco and Squirt and to try their new pinball machine. Marta, a voluptuous girl in her middle to late teens, just up from Columbia, begin flirting with me as I was playing pinball. The guys described Marta as an engineering marvel. How could God hang so much on so little? Marta was about 5'1" or 5'2" tall, and very slender, but she had a pair of boobs that wouldn't stop. They stood at attention. They were most likely only a cup B, but on her small frame looked at a cup D without a droop. She never wore a bra under her thin dresses. The word was that Marta was really into oral sex. She would get carried away becoming completely engulfed in the rhythm, uttering small unintelligible sounds of enjoyment. At which point a simple caress of her boobs would bring her to a series of uncontrollable climaxes. I left the Ancon telling Marta, unconvincingly, that I would come back later and check her out for the evening. Marta loved to go night clubbing and dancing at the different spots in Panama City. She was a fantastic dancer, particularly when doing Maringa. The Maringa was a wild and feverish dance imported from Brazil. Marta could bring a club to a stand still doing a solo Maringa. She was a ball to be with; gregarious, easy to please and totally uninhibited. Marta's English was limited, but there was never a problem with communication. A few weeks before a bunch of us had been pub crawling, on our bikes, the night clubs along the Bay of Panama. Most of the Clubs there were open air and offered live music. We had began at about 11 PM, which is normal party start time in Panama, and by 3 AM we had drank and danced ourselves out. Marta had been wearing a scooped necked, blue poka-a-dot, knee lenght house dress. She had been with one of the other guys in the outfit. The band in the last club we had been in begin playing a Maringa verison of "Exodus," with two trumpets blowing off of one another. Marta tried to pull her date to the empty dance floor, but he was too exhausted. She did the danced solo, and brought the house down in a flourish of a whirring poka-a-dot skirt, flashing white panties and a sweat soaked cotton dress, that became almost see through. I left the Ancon and wondered down into the series of alleys the maded up J and K Streets heading for George's and the PamAm. George's and the PanAm were the same bar, with different doors. The entrance to the PamAm was on a corner, from an intersection. The entrance to George's was thirty feet down the street, through a couple of swinging doors. Martha was the manager of George's and the PamAm. She was a big, not fat, Negro girl in her late twenties originally from the Bahamans. She spoke the King's English. She had come to Panama five or six years before in a dance troupe, which went broke while performing in the city. She then went to work at George's, and she has been there ever since. George's and the PamAm extended credit to the members of the different intelligence groups, American and foreign, and friend and foe. George's charge roster was a who's who in intelligence in Central America for that week. The charge roster also included the finks who spied on the spooks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Koni Shocks Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:59:09 -0700 Koni has removed the PC from their application list. Info received from the person at ITT Automotive in KY, importers for Koni shocks. Call WORKS Performance. ########################################## *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 * *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 * *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman * *FRANKLIN, MA * ########################################## --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:49:30 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: PC products] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:46:02 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Johan Lai Subject: Re: PC products Johan Lai wrote: > > Hi all, >He adds that not only do we need to get > permission to use the wing logo, but for the image of the PC as well since > it's a Honda design.... > When I asked him for names and addresses of these vendors that he mentioned > so we can all get to the products, he hesitated.... > > P.S. Can anyone tell me if what he says is true, that we can't even > use a picture of a PC w/o their permission? If so, then I'm > curious if all those Wings on jackets are legal. Hmmm.... I think he's right about the logo, that's a registered trademark. However about the PC image he has got to be wrong. If we're not using a Honda copyrighted picture for the template I don't think they have any legal grounds to deny us. (Am I wrong about this anyone? Hey Dave, you're brother is a lawyer isn't he? Would he know?). It's not like we're planning to sell these things. Does this mean that every picture we've taken of our bikes constitutes copyright or trademark infringement? I doubt it. I can't beleive that Honda would have a problem with this. We're not competing with any product line that they're offering, and we already know what an huge effort they've made to market the PC in the US! Who was it that went after Honda for the seat vinyl material from Japan? We need may you on this one. ;) Maybe all we have to do is form a Honda recognized club or something and they'll let us do this. E. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:53:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:45:56 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: PC products and copyrights _We_ don't violate copyright by taking pictures. A vendor using the images and making $$$ off the embroidery _might_ be in violation. Sorry to be a wet blanket. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 0000FD04; Fri, 20 Sep 96 00:01:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:59:54 -0700 From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) Subject: New Rifle Fairing is great! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I just installed the new Rifle fairing that I got for my birthday and it is great. I ordered the tallest one and so it totally blocks the wind off my helmet now. I have a set of speakers in the dash hooked up to a CD player and before the Rifle, I couldn't hear them once I past 45 mph and now I can hear them at 75 with no problem at all. (Not that I ride that fast, it was just a test of course... ) Anyway, I was just so impressed that I thought I would share my experience with you. I highly recommend the Rifle system to anyone who is sick of all the noise with the stock fairing. Maybe for Christmas I'll get a Corbin seat from Santa! Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:53:57 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: sullivan@wavefront.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, djs1@po2.rv.unisys.com Subject: Re: New PC Think you have the wrong PC on the mind. This group is for the Honda Pacific Coast 800 MOTORCYCLE. >sullivan@wavefront.com wrote: > > Richard, > I read your prescription for a new pc and you have it specified > pretty darn good.. Get lots of memory right now because it's priced > right. I'd put 32meg in the darn thing and get windoze 95. > > But, you can upgrade your pc that you currently have at home with > a 14000 baud external modem. > I have a 1987 Amiga A1000 with a Com program that emulates a VT100 > terminal, and a 14000 baud modem that I bought from a guy on the hsta > list. My ISP is running a Unix system, and I have a shell account > which I use all of the programs on his machine. I use Elm as the mail > reader, tin as the news reader, pico as the editor, and lynx as the web > browser. It took a little coaching on the part of friends to learn how to > use those Unix tools, but they are efficient. I can surf the web with > a old Amiga or I can telnet in from my office using the latest pentium. > > Here in Minneapolis, we have lots of choices but I currently pay $9.95 > per month for 30 hours of connect time. My limits, I only see text > no pretty pictures. > > Dennis J. Sullivan ----------------------------------------------------- > http://www.wavefront.com/~sullivan/ | Patience, my ass! > 1982 GL500 Silverwing |HSTA 5650 | I'm going to swoop down > ST. PAUL, MN |AARP AMA | and kill something! > -INTJ- |DOD #1939 | - one vulture to another- > HSTA HOMEPAGE--->http://members.aol.com/hstaWWW/ > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) Telecommunication Engineer GO Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey! '?? PC800 - (not yet)! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:56:22 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Shoei Problem Hi, Gang, OK, this is PC related because it happens to my wife when she is on the back....or when she's on her own ride. She has an 8 month old Shoe RF700 which, except for one problem, she loves. The problem is that the windshield will not stay up when traveling over 40 or so. I put a new shield on ($30 damn bucks) and that did not do the trick. The dealer had no idea what to suggest. So, I knew I'd have to turn to the smartest, nicest, most helpful group on in the 'net...is anyone buying this at all? OK, whatever, I would really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance, Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:33:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:22:43 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Shoei Problem I've had the same problem. There is no solution. On really hot days, I just take the shield off and put it in the boot. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:34:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:34:33 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: PC products] -Reply You know, some time back, I thought it might be cool to become a sanctioned club under either the AMA or HRCA. I even sent for some literature. I subsequently got the feeling that less structure was the preference from the majority of subscribers. I had thought it might be cool because I have never heard of a club under either of these organizations which did not associate itself with a physical location. I thought it might be interesting to explore new turf in area of the virtual club. It might be a first and the PC800 would be just the bike to be the inspiration! What do you think? Less is more, or go forward? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:37:59 -0500 (CDT) Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:36:57 -0400 (EDT) To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Shoei Problem At 09:56 AM 9/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, Gang, > >OK, this is PC related because it happens to my wife when she >is on the back....or when she's on her own ride. > >She has an 8 month old Shoe RF700 which, except for one problem, >she loves. The problem is that the windshield will not stay >up when traveling over 40 or so. I put a new shield on ($30 >damn bucks) and that did not do the trick. The dealer had >no idea what to suggest. > >So, I knew I'd have to turn to the smartest, nicest, most >helpful group on in the 'net...is anyone buying this at all? > >OK, whatever, I would really appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks in advance, > >Alan Alan, I had the same problem with my RF700 right out of the box during the first test run. I simply took a small rubber grommet (radio shack for a bag of assorted sizes) and cut one in half like you would cut a baggle. Take the screw out of each side of the shield and use the grommet as a washer between the shield and the helmet. My shield had not fallen down again. 75 mph is the fastest I have tested this. Good luck. Waldo PS, any other way to increase the frition between the shield and helmet should work. Maybe there are other ideas out there. I think Shoei intended for the shield to be used in the down position while riding but I like to keep mine up unless it is raining or cold or both. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:49:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: "Alan D. Smith" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei Problem On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > She has an 8 month old Shoe RF700 which, except for one problem, > she loves. The problem is that the windshield will not stay > up when traveling over 40 or so. I put a new shield on ($30 > damn bucks) and that did not do the trick. The dealer had > no idea what to suggest. Do mean stay down? It is not supposed to be up "open" when travelling. Seems as if it will not stay up that is a benefit not a drawback, and a darn good safety measure. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Riding the Bunburner 1500 (long) To: Bryce Ulrich cc: "'pc800'" , "'Honda Sport Touring Association'" When I left I was at the halfway point of the New England 1000. Thru Maine and NH, I noticed many Moose crossing signs. I was glad to be doing that part during the day. I REALLY didn't want to run up on one at night. In Vermont I ran into a steady rain into Mass. and then fog for 500 miles! Heading towards Cape Cod, the fog was truly soupy. By 2:00 am outside of Lexington, Mass. I felt pretty sleepy. I fueled up on a Mountain Dew and was reenergized for the duration. I pulled up to the checkpoint in Augusta (the rallymaster's home) around 5:30 am and checked in to my motel around 6:00 am. I did the first 500 miles in 12 hours, the second in 10 hours. Next time I think I'd like to do one of these with a partner. The temperatures probably ranged from 45F to 60F. My 89 PC800 did fine, although I think I'll buy a +4 Rifle and some kind of throttle lock (cruise control) before I try this again. My Motoport GP-2 two-piece suit did fine. I ended up wearing a T-shirt, flannel shirt, Gore-Tex pants and top, and bicycle shorts under the suit. Two pairs of socks and rubber boots for the wet weather.Unlike Bryce, I didn't have to avoid animals on the road but I didn't get the bike over 70 the entire way! Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:46:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei Problem I have a Shoei RFR that has the same problem as your wife's helmet. But, the speed required is above 65 MPH behind my Rifle Wind Screen. It seems to be design problem intrinsic to the Shoei, and a problem without adequate answer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:23:43 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: slgross@halcyon.com CC: pc800 Subject: Re: PC products and copyrights Steve Gross wrote: > > _We_ don't violate copyright by taking pictures. A vendor using the > images and making $$$ off the embroidery _might_ be in violation. > > Sorry to be a wet blanket. > -- > Steve Gross, Seattle, WA > '90 Honda PC800 > Thanks Steve. Would that still apply if the vendor were doing the job under contract for a non-profit group? E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 22:23:54 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "pc800" , slgross@halcyon.com Subject: RE: Shoei Problem I have a new Shoei that I've been using for about 4 months. From Day one I never experienced the problem, and I use the shield at all different degrees of "openness". The difference? Before I left the shop on the first day, I switched out the stock clear shield with a reflective (gold/rose) shield for all those sunny days in the great Pacific NW. . Anyway, the after-market shield (which I really enjoy) has not given me a problem. I'm glad to know what to do (½ rubber gromet) when I switch back to the clear shield for the impending winter light conditions of the PacNW - fewer daylight hours, cloudy overcast/rainy etc... Thanks for the great tip Waldo! - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Steve Gross Sent: Friday, September 20, 1996 8:22 AM To: pc800 Subject: Re: Shoei Problem I've had the same problem. There is no solution. On really hot days, I just take the shield off and put it in the boot. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei Problem From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 Sep 1996 17:52:17 -0500 Lines: 16 >>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: MD> Do mean stay down? It is not supposed to be up "open" when travelling. MD> Seems as if it will not stay up that is a benefit not a drawback, and a MD> darn good safety measure. Some of us like our shields up when on the open road. Some of us also wear safety glasses. Some of us are also claustrophobic and need the shield up to prevent ourselves from freaking out. Some of us just like to breathe fresh air. As for me, my helmet (AGV R1) is much quieter with the shield up than down. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 19:00:44 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: slgross@halcyon.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Shoei Problem / Paper Towels Steve Gross wrote: > > I've had the same problem. There is no solution. The solution is the Arai Signet. The face shield has two "detented" positions. One opens about 1/8" for venting in rain or if your shield fogs. The other is full open. I've been able to ride with it half open (not in either detent) up to about 55 - 60 mph before it will close from the wind. The reason for half open is that even though my eyes are out of the direct airflow, I don't feel entirely comfortable with no direct eye protection. On to something totally unrelated: Has anyone else noticed that the relatively long length of the handlebar grips makes an excellent spindle for a roll of paper towels when cleaning the PC? I can't possibly be the only one who's discovered this. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:23:57 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Paper Towels At 07:00 PM 9/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Steve Gross wrote: >On to something totally unrelated: Has anyone else noticed that the relatively >long length of the handlebar >grips makes an excellent spindle for a roll of paper towels when cleaning the >PC? I can't possibly be the only >one who's discovered this. Since paper tends to scratch plastic, I try to keep paper towels as far away from my PC as possible. $0.02 Ka-ching! :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:57:23 PST Subject: Shoei Helmet RF700 From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S Foreman) We have the Shoei Helmets,and have done the following. By placing a small amount of electrician tape on the ratchet part it will stop the closing. Also by placing a strip of electrical tape on the top of the shield about full length will work as a visor, almost as good as a base ball cap. Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 05:04:32 -0400 To: ericeric@concentric.net, slgross@halcyon.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC products and copyrights In a message dated 96-09-20 15:22:33 EDT, ericeric@concentric.net (ERIC MATTHEWS) writes: << Would that still apply if the vendor were doing the job under contract for a non-profit group? >> Eric, You can't infringe a copyright or use someone else's trade mark without permission regardless of your status. There are certain exceptions in certain areas, but you must find a specific exception that fits your case. You may be thinking about the exception from the public performance rights of non-dramatic works and musical compositions for non-profit performances of such works. The 1976 act changed all that and substituted limited exceptions under Section 110. Most of those apply to educational use of such a work. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 05:04:11 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei Problem In a message dated 96-09-20 14:52:26 EDT, BernieK469@aol.com writes: << I have a Shoei RFR that has the same problem as your wife's helmet. But, the speed required is above 65 MPH behind my Rifle Wind Screen. It seems to be design problem intrinsic to the Shoei, and a problem without adequate answer. >> Bernie, Actually, helmet manufacturers don't want their helmets ridden with the shield fully open. Arai's are designed to have wind pressure close the shield at about 20 MPH. This is a design feature of the helmet, not a "problem without adequate answer". In the view of the designer, you are misusing the helmet and they don't want to be the brunt of a lawsuit when you get hurt as a result of foreign object ingestion. If you really want to ride without benefit of the shield, take it off -- but add adequate eye protection in some other way. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:29:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Neill Thompson cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: PC products] -Reply Neill, There are bike clubs that are national and have regional chapters but I like the idea of maybe a PC Riders of America Club. So I vote that you move forward. Even structured can be loosely structured. Besides it's time we that we quit being treated as the ugly step child! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Neill Thompson wrote: > You know, some time back, I thought it might > be cool to become a sanctioned club under > either the AMA or HRCA. I even sent for > some literature. I subsequently got the > feeling that less structure was the > preference from the majority of subscribers. > > I had thought it might be cool because I > have never heard of a club under either of > these organizations which did not associate > itself with a physical location. I thought > it might be interesting to explore new turf > in area of the virtual club. It might be a > first and the PC800 would be just the bike > to be the inspiration! > > What do you think? Less is more, or go > forward? > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 09:04 CDT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: mik@server1.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey) Subject: PC800 Radio System As a recent purchaser of a PC800, I have two questions regarding the options for the motorcycle. I read about a replacement windshield that is taller and would provide more protection. I went with the HondaLine because it looked better with the lines of the bike. My question is why doesn't Honda produce the bike with a descent sized windshield to start with, considering the bike is considered a "touring" bike, along witht the "sport"? I would have paid more for the bike if it already came with a functional windshield, which for now I paid $250 for the windshield and now I have an extra windshield that will never be mounted on the bike again! I took the part number for the Kenwood stereo that Honda had designed for the motorcycle, and asked my dealer about the stereo. I can't remember what the price was exactly, but it was around $630. He didn't show any in inventory, and was saying that the radio had been discontinued. Is this true? Any good alternatives that are functional and doesn't look like an afterthought when mounted on the bike? I would appreciate any help with regards to the stereo system. Thank You! Sincerely, Michael W. Dempsey mik@dakota.net (Sioux Falls, SD) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:06:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Oil Can you mix regular (black bottle) Spectro with Gold Spectro? Does it matter if they are the same or different ratings (10w40 vs 20w50)? Also, how do I access, search and review the archives? Thanks for the help. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 03:03:39 -0700 (MST) To: JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Oil At 00:06 9/23/96 -0400, JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: >Can you mix regular (black bottle) Spectro with Gold Spectro? Does >it matter if they are the same or different ratings (10w40 vs 20w50)? > Mixing brands of oil (or types within a brand name line) is not that big of a deal (though not recommended by purists). Mixing viscosities (oil weights, e.g. 10w40 vs 20w50, etc.) is a real no-no. Don't do it. Follow the manufacturer's specifications exactly. Don't mess with synthetic lubes. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@primenet.com deselms@mailhost.net Phone: 1-800-224-2046 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:50:18 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Radio System Hi Michael: I don't really know why Honda made the choices they have regarding standard windscreen height. Perhaps they were aiming the PC more on the sport side of sport-touring spectrum. Perhaps the styling guys won the battle with the functional guys. Who knows? I too opted for the tall Hondaline screen, and it has worked well under most circumstances. Many report even better results with the Rifle replacement unit. However, I have found that for riding in the summer months here in the southeast it really does too good a job of keeping the wind off. Consequently, I have started putting the stock screen back on during July and August to get better cooling airflow, especially to the helmet. I always wear ear plugs anyway; so, the added wind noise isn't a problem. The increased comfort is well worth it. Regarding radios, I have no idea as to the quality, appearance, or functionality of the system, but I just received in the mail a marketing package from an outfit called K&J Cycle Sounds who purports to have a stereo system for the PC800 available in kit form for about $160. If you want to get in touch with them, their address is: K&J CYCLE SOUNDS Department PC800 2122 Holder Avenue Woodlawn, MD 21207-4423 As I said, I have no direct knowledge about the unit. It might be a complete piece of junk, but it might be just what you're looking for. They do offer a 30-day, money-back guarantee. Good luck, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:59:12 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Sounds overpriced to me, but... anyone wanting a "mint" '89 with less than 30K miles and "fully loaded," there is one FS here in Cleveland. The ad says $5,500 firm. Anyone wants the number, let me know. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 15:18:30 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Mike Dempsey" Subject: RE: Radio System Several PC riders have purchased and installed a Sony AM/FM cassette w/remote control. This is a high quality and durable unit. The remote is a stick (or stalk) that mounts very cleanly on the dash with a mounting bracket, only one tiny hole for wiring. I find the remote stick to be the ultimate in convenience, with controls for every feature of the unit including several radio presets, CD and Tape controls. The unit on my bike was purchased and installed from Car Toys for under $400 by the previous owner. A somewhat larger scale modification is needed for the speakers, but the archives have plenty of details on how to do it right. Be sure you get water the resistant kind. They'll mount into pre-defined places on the dash. You'll have to get grill material when you get the speakers. When you're all done, you have a great sound system that looks as clean as it sounds. To the untrained eye, my system looks stock. During the winter I'm going to add the CD player component. Of course one always has to consider the trade-offs: loss of a little luggage space. The unit mounted in the trunk on the left side, takes up about as much space as a medium sized phone book. Any PC user thinks twice about giving up trunk real estate. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mike Dempsey Sent: Saturday, September 21, 1996 7:04 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Radio System As a recent purchaser of a PC800, I have two questions regarding the options for the motorcycle. I read about a replacement windshield that is taller and would provide more protection. I went with the HondaLine because it looked better with the lines of the bike. My question is why doesn't Honda produce the bike with a descent sized windshield to start with, considering the bike is considered a "touring" bike, along witht the "sport"? I would have paid more for the bike if it already came with a functional windshield, which for now I paid $250 for the windshield and now I have an extra windshield that will never be mounted on the bike again! I took the part number for the Kenwood stereo that Honda had designed for the motorcycle, and asked my dealer about the stereo. I can't remember what the price was exactly, but it was around $630. He didn't show any in inventory, and was saying that the radio had been discontinued. Is this true? Any good alternatives that are functional and doesn't look like an afterthought when mounted on the bike? I would appreciate any help with regards to the stereo system. Thank You! Sincerely, Michael W. Dempsey mik@dakota.net (Sioux Falls, SD) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:13:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei Problem On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > she loves. The problem is that the windshield will not stay > up when traveling over 40 or so. I put a new shield on ($30 > damn bucks) and that did not do the trick. The dealer had > no idea what to suggest. > I finally have a reason to keep my old RF200, instead of opting for the quieter RF700! the RF200 has adjustable tension on the face shield. :) Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:23:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '89 PC for sale The real rolling refridgerator! 15k miles, excellent condition. Includes: both tall Hondaline and stock windscreens Hondaline backrest Hondaline PC cover 2 matching PC helmets (s,l) Honda PC shop manual $3700. Located in southern Oregon. Please respond via private email, as I seldom have time to read this list any more. Eric York york@wpo.sosc.osshe.edu eryork@nmsu.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:19:25 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:11:48 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: Free Ride! I get to go to a meeting in Yakima Wed. a.m. for meeting. Free road trip! It's an early one, so I'll blast out 90 and 82. I'm open for suggestions for the trip home. Remember, no asphalt, no ridee. BTW, I've been saving the suggestions for my vacation. Thanx for all your suggestions. I won't decide the final route 'til about a week out. (Never could plan worth a darn.) -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:49:01 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daan van der Weide Subject: Owner's Manual and other documentation Hi, I'm looking for an Owner's Manual for a '89 model PC800. According to my dealer it cannot be ordered (anymore) with Honda Netherlands. Is it still available elsewhere? Maybe someone has a spare copy. I'll gladly pay a reasonable price. thanks. --- Daan van der Weide ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:01:15 -0000 From: "Roger Prince" To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: TN-Star; Joannie's Broken PC A great TN-Star. I don't know how Geoffrey is so successful in scheduling the rain each year but whatever he does works! Otherwise a fine weekend with a great pigout on Sat. Sorry we missed the pancake breakfast but we needed the early start. It was foggy only in Townsend. Joannie Pennick's '89 PC800 suffered mechanical failure on Saturday and ended up on a trailer. I was wondering what the prognosis is. I hope the folks who lost to the Dragon are ok. Roger and Carol Prince --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:05:18 -0500 From: Carol Ann DeCelle-Meek To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: radio installation I need a source for recommending: (1) purchasing a cb with stereo interface /with handlebar remote console and a compatible stereo radio with cassette player (2) the placement of said equipment on my PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Sep 96 12:29:25 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: IBI GROUP TORONTO <103422.354@CompuServe.COM> Cc: PC800 List Subject: Strategy Doc Hi, Joyce. I'm sending you the file in both Word and WP 5.2 formats. But please check with Bruce to see if they made any last-minute changes to what I sent them. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:37:24 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: PC For Sale 1990 (red of course) 7K miles Stock (execpt for driver backrest/Utopia) Ready to ride X-country (fly in drive home) Bike garaged in Albany, NY $3995 takes it. (518) 392-7234 Dave Steven ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Daan van der Weide'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Owner's Manual and other documentation Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:47:22 -0700 Do you mean the booklet that comes with the bike detailing simple maintenance and controls on the bike? Or are you looking for a more detailed manual on how to completely disassemble the PC800? I'd be willing to run the smaller booklet through a copier and send you a copy. No problem if that's what you need. The detailed manual can still be ordered here but it's expensive around $50 US. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >-----Original Message----- >From: Daan van der Weide [SMTP:daan@quantime.nl] >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 1996 2:49 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Owner's Manual and other documentation > >Hi, > >I'm looking for an Owner's Manual for a '89 model PC800. According to my >dealer it cannot be ordered (anymore) with Honda Netherlands. Is it still >available elsewhere? Maybe someone has a spare copy. I'll gladly pay a >reasonable price. > >thanks. >--- > Daan van der Weide >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:38:32 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: Bryce Ulrich CC: "'Daan van der Weide'" , "'pc800'" Subject: Re: Owner's Manual and other documentation I recently purchased an Owner's Manual for my 89 PC. It cost about $6. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:58:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 vs. ST1100 Z asked me for a comparison of these two and I assumed (uh oh! you know what happens...) that others may be interested as well. After having owned an '89 PC for 5+ years, I recently bought a new '95 ST. I now have 6500 miles on it. I normally rode the PC only on longer rides/tours, but I am having so much fun now on the ST that the1200 Sporty and the Sabre rarely get ridden these last couple months. The ST has vastly more power....never seen hp numbers on the pc, but I am guessing that the ST has about 2 to 2.5 times as much. it is rated by one of the rags as having 94 or 98 at the rear wheel. With my wife ridiing the PC and me on the ST i just roll on while she is frantically downshifting, and i still totally dust her. More weight capacity (a major benefit for the two of us as our combined weight is about 375). Even thought the ST is about 75-100 pounds heavier, it still brakes faster (with significant practice). The front disks are larger, and it has a rear disk as opposed to the pc's rear drum. The PC's drum is much easier to modulate, however. Saddle bags are removable (great fro shedding weight to do the twisties) but slightly less capacity than the PC. I got a Givi top box (50 liter) and a capacious tank bag, and now I have more luggage capacity than I know what to do with :) The PC handles very well, but the ST does better. It feels much more sure footed, especially on fast sweepers (e.g. 80+ mph). One does feel a bit like the ST has to be "manhandled" on low speed (<20 mph) corners. That is, The ST isn't quite as "flickable" as the PC. The ST's preload adjustable monoshock has more versatility than the adjustable one of two on the PC. The ST's is rebound adjustable as well. I have found this to be especially nice, as I like to do fast solo rides in addition to two-up touring. With a better monoshock and some Progressive fork springs, the ST will truly be bad-ass. It is slightly undersprung out of the box, as is the PC. Predictably, the ST does have more performance capability in terms of suspension though. The ST feels MUCH larger just sitting on it. I hadn't noticed this until I had had the ST for over a month. I then sat on the PC. "Wow this thing feels small!" It isn't of course; the ST is just BIG. This isn't a problem for me, being 6'4" (about 1.94m). However, the ST can be difficult to back up. I have learned to be more judicious in choosing parking. :) As a result, the ST feels more cumbersome in very low speed manuevers. This ain't surprising as the PC is one of the easiest bikes to handle at low speed that I have experienced. The riding position on the ST is more aggressive. With my height, I can sit with almost no weight on my wrists, but only if my knees are touching the fairing.. My preferred position is more rearward so that a bit of weight is on my hands. Mny owners of the ST complain about this and buy risers for the handlebar. After a 4960 mile honeymoon (two-upof course ;) with LOTS of gear, I have no desire to raise the handlebar. The ST's bodywork is easier to remove and install by virtue of the fact that nearly all the fasteners are exposed. The chromed allen head bolts give it a sort of industrial look that I enjoy. Complaints about the ST: Dopey OEM headlight bulbs: dual 45/45 watters. Who the F*&$ thought this one up? I put in 55/100 bulbs as a lot of ST owners do, "and there was light." also, the OEM bulbs are just slightly differnet in configuration than the standard H4. One can install H4s, but it takes a bit of modification (not difficult). Passenger portion of the saddle is sloped a la sportbike, though not as much. This still pushes the passenger into the pilot on steep downhills or under breaking. It don't make me no nevermind, since I like to be close to my sweetie. :) Front brakes squeak at low speeds when not applied, rear brake sqeaks when applied. In all due fairness, I think this is due to someone who honked on the brakes straight out of the box. When I bought the bike (a floor model) it had 33 miles on it. In conclusion: The biggest thing someone familair with the PC would notice upon jumping on an ST is the power diffrence and the size. Hope this helps. Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Milar@msn.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:23:08 EDT I use 55/100 bulbs. The only problem I have had is twice on the '95 I have blown the headlight 10A fuse. I know why. The switch has gotten "in between" so both high and low beams are on. Apparently the '90 doesn't ever get both filaments on since I've never blown a fuse there. The last time I had to replace a bulb on the '90 I found the connector to be welded to the bulb contact. Otherwise no problems. If I blow the fuse again I will consider going to a 15A fuse. Roger Prince > 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? >If so, what >wattage and what did you think? > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Shilpun_Patel@mail.mcp.com (Shilpun Patel): Re: TN-Star; Joannie's Broken PC From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:23:08 EDT For those of you wondering what happened to Joannie Pennick's PC at TN-Star. Roger --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Shilpun_Patel@mail.mcp.com (Shilpun Patel) To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Re: TN-Star; Joannie's Broken PC Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:56:40 -0500 I know that it got up to Cincinnati on my trailer. She had a blast on my Hawk, and wanted to trade her PC for my Hawk. After much convincing I had to tear my puppy away from her. She pretty much went at a good clip, stopped for four times for gas but no lunch. She did have to stop and buy ear plugs.. by hawk is buck naked. I say it was better her than me on the Hawk on the highway. It was quite comfortable in the cage.. thank you very much. No idea what was wrong with the PC. It made a terrible crunching noise when being rolled forward, but none when being backed up. Hope it is nothing major. Later, Duke '89 Red in Indy PS: I had a blast riding the roads down there. Great job was done organizing the event. Kudos to Geoffrey. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: TN-Star; Joannie's Broken PC Author: "Roger Prince" at Internet Date: 9/24/96 1:01 PM A great TN-Star. I don't know how Geoffrey is so successful in scheduling the rain each year but whatever he does works! Otherwise a fine weekend with a great pigout on Sat. Sorry we missed the pancake breakfast but we needed the early start. It was foggy only in Townsend. Joannie Pennick's '89 PC800 suffered mechanical failure on Saturday and ended up on a trailer. I was wondering what the prognosis is. I hope the folks who lost to the Dragon are ok. Roger and Carol Prince --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- --------- End forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: Re: To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 13:32:58 WST > > I use 55/100 bulbs. The only problem I have had is twice on the '95 I > have blown the headlight 10A fuse. I know why. The switch has gotten > "in between" so both high and low beams are on... I didn't study further into the service manual. If the switch set "in-between" will enable both filement. That means the switch is hooked to the headlight directly and not to any relay. Instead of replace a higher rating fuse, that just move the "bottleneck" to the switch and possibly will cook it up. Why not add a relay? > > 2. Has anybody put a higher output bulb in their headlight? > >If so, what > >wattage and what did you think? I use a 100/55. I want the high beam REAL bright when I need it. -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * Aux. Police Yeh, I got a real wing at rear * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # '94 BMW K75S <-- S for stock! * * On its way from San Francisco * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- work * * your obedient servant!" HONDA CBX250 <-- bike * * * **************************************************************************** * Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. * **************************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:59:38 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Sounds like a reasonable solution. I'll have to take a look at it. Thanks. Roger > > > > I use 55/100 bulbs. The only problem I have had is twice on the '95 I > > have blown the headlight 10A fuse. I know why. The switch has gotten > > "in between" so both high and low beams are on... > > I didn't study further into the service manual. If the switch set "in-between" > will enable both filement. That means the switch is hooked to the headlight > directly and not to any relay. Instead of replace a higher rating fuse, that > just move the "bottleneck" to the switch and possibly will cook it up. Why > not add a relay? > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 25 Sep 1996 9:20:48 -0400 (EDT) To: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: At 11:23 PM 9/24/96 EDT, you wrote: >I use 55/100 bulbs. The only problem I have had is twice on the '95 I >have blown the headlight 10A fuse. I know why. The switch has gotten >"in between" so both high and low beams are on. Apparently the '90 >doesn't ever get both filaments on since I've never blown a fuse there. >The last time I had to replace a bulb on the '90 I found the connector >to be welded to the bulb contact. Otherwise no problems. If I blow the >fuse again I will consider going to a 15A fuse. > >Roger Prince > Roger, You may want to locate a slow blow 10A fuse or at least a max of slow blow 15 A fuse. Power = Volts X Amps so therfore Amps= Power/Volts Amps = 100Watts/13.5 volts = 7.4 amps 155Watts/13.5 volts = 11.48 amps so no doubt you were blowing the 10 amp fuse if both came on at the same time. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Sep 96 16:34:39 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: Ben Bennett <75557.2550@CompuServe.COM> Cc: Ed Carter , John Castagna , Dick Chambers , Mark Fox , HondaPacificCoastOwners , Steve Johnson , "Phil Kineer (home)" <70302.3455@CompuServe.COM>, HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad & Cinda Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elliot Parsowith , Jim Petersen <75127.1761@CompuServe.COM>, Steve Rodnon , Laura Sawyer , Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM>, Kathy Storin , Mike Traynor , Jim & Linda Vance <76062.3667@CompuServe.COM>, Lynn Weas Subject: Another one from the Fossil! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: [Joke] Microsoft Support One of Microsoft's finest techs was drafted and sent to boot camp. At the rifle range, he was given some instruction, a rifle and bullets. He fired several shots at the target. The report came from the target area that all attempts had completely missed the target. The tech looked at his rifle, and then at the target. He looked at the rifle again, and then at the target again. He put his finger over the end of the rifle barrel and squeezed the trigger with his other hand. The end of his finger was blown off, whereupon he yelled toward the target area: "It's leaving here just fine, the trouble must be at your end!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 16:40:42 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hartco lambskin seat covers I have a set of Hartco lambskin seat covers. They came with my PC but were never used by the previous owner. No instructions were included and I'm not sure how to install the covers. But I want to start using them ASAP. Anyone own a set? Please, tell me how to install them. Thanks so much. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 23:01:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:25:23 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: The Canyon and Back Thanx to all who reminded me of the Yakima Canyon Road. I got up way to early, and blaste... er, proceeded at a "brisk" pace along the interstate. The sun did not appear until I was 12 miles west of Ellensburg. I have saved the thread heated vests, and I'm looking really hard at hot grips. _Great_ ride through the canyon. Actual average speeds shall remain a secret, but you _know_ they wouldn't impress anyone but me. :) Only forced to pass 2 trucks and a car. No one is out there before noon on a weekday. 2.5 hour ride for a 1-1/2 hour meeting. Of course, we had to go to lunch. By then, there was no way I'd make it back to Lynnwood to do any productive work, so I came home over Chinook Pass. Road work there is almost completely finished, only 1 delay for construction, & I got to chat with a gentleman on a new 1100 RS (red). Summary: 289 miles, 1 turkey sandwich, 3 cups of coffee, 1 twitching deer on the side of the road (ick) 1 cop going the other way, 1 wrong turn. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 26 Sep 96 07:15:25 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: GIVI luggage rack/top box Those of you that might be looking for some additional luggage-carrying capacity might want to consider the GIVI luggage rack/top box combination. Last week, PC800 owner, friend and HSTA member Roger Prince installed this combination on my '90 PC800 at the Charlotte, North Carolina GIVI headquarters. Installation of the rack requires removing the backrest (either Honda or Corbin), and the replacing of the four bolts that hold the passenger handrails in place with longer ones. Several GIVI top boxes will fit their rack, including a 36-litre, 46-litre and a 50-litre (Maxia), the latter which Roger and I both have installed on our bikes. The shape seems to complement the bodywork of the PC, it removes and installs with a simple quarter-turn of the key, and Roger attests to the overlapping lid keeping the contest dry during WET riding! A passenger backrest is available, but not in stock at present. An optional rear/stop light can be fitted to the 46-litre top box. One of the PC800 Honda bag liners works well as a liner for the top box A top box is not a place to carry heavy items, but rather bulky, light items. I haven't had one in years, but can tell you that both Lynn and I really enjoyed having one on our Pacific Coast last weekend for a jaunt up to TN-STAR at Townsend, Tennessee.! According to the brochure, either the 46-litre or the 50-litre will store two full coverage helmets. We tried it, and it works...the helmets must be laid on their sides, but it works! I am certainly impressed with the high quality of both the rack and top box. Mounting hardware is also of top quality, including nylon/lined nuts and neat plastic covers for exposed bolts. The rack looks fine without the top box installed. Opening the rear luggage compartment with the top box in place does not seem to unduly stress the hydraulic strut, as it passes vertical. When packing the bike for the trip, I found it simple to leave the top box off until the luggage compartment is packed, then install the top box and put the packed liner in place. For additional information, availability, a brochure and prices, contact GIVI...805 Pressley Road, Charlotte NC 28217, 704/679-4123. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 07:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Keith W Rogers cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hartco lambskin seat covers Keith, I have a set that I have never used because I bought them just prior to buying my corbin seat, but.... you have to take the seats apart to put them on. You'll notice there are small holes around the edges of the covers that pretty much line up with the different places where the passenger handgrips and such screw into the seat and bike. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Keith W Rogers wrote: > I have a set of Hartco lambskin seat covers. They came with my PC but > were never used by the previous owner. No instructions were included > and I'm not sure how to install the covers. But I want to start using > them ASAP. > > Anyone own a set? Please, tell me how to install them. > > Thanks so much. > > -- > Keith W Rogers > Austin, Texas > `89 PC800, 35K miles > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 17:42:47 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC1100 In the same note, no one in the PC800 list knows, anyone heard of a Shadow 1100 engine dropped into a PC (Firestorm-schmirestorm) :-) Thanks! Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX Juan, Holy cow, a PC1100! Sneak up behind those weak kneed Ninja riders and blow 'em away. Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Andrew Rosenthal" To: Subject: Membership Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:15:32 -0400 How do I join? Name: Andrew Rosenthal Location: Washington, DC Email: andyr@nytimes.com PC Model year: 1994 Bought new Modifications: Larger windscreen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:25:20 -0400 To: andyr@nytimes.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Membership Congrats, I think you just did. If you would like to be included in the mailing list page, send me your address, phone number..... you can see others at www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening.htm Welcome Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:19:18 -0700 From: CAMPOS/ West Vancouver To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Radar Jammers I got a passive radar jammer from Rocky Mountain Radar as well. I am wondering if it works at all and what would be a means of testing it. Reading the "expert" opinions just got me more confused. I am affraid this black box will just sit there blinking lights and doing nothing else. What have been you experience with you jammer? John ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:34:33 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: At 01:39 AM 9/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >You guys really don't see any kind of heat problems? I have always been >told to watch out for bright bulbs because of heat, but I really want that >extra visibility. Jason, I've run my 55/100 for about 12k miles many of those being 12 to 15 hour days on the high beam, with no problems whatsoever. >Then there is the legal issue; I keep hearing conflicting stories of >illegality, though I can't see being stopped because my headlamp is too >bright. Yep, there is always the question of wether you will find a bear ornery enough to stop you for that, but I think the benefits vastly outweigh the risks, especially if you don't abuse the capabilities of your brighter lamp. Go for it. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:29:13 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Radar Jammers At 04:19 PM 9/26/96 -0700, you wrote: >I got a passive radar jammer from Rocky Mountain Radar as well. I am >wondering if it works at all and what would be a means of testing it. A recent issue of Car & Driver tested all the ones that are available, including the active jammers, which are illegal. I am afraid that you just got taken for a bunch of money. The only ones that worked were the active jammers, and not that well. All the passive ones were junk. They couldn't get them to cloak even a bicycle! I'll try to find the article to give a more complete reference. My condolences. juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:49:42 PST Subject: Membership From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) Name: Ken Foreman Location: South Central Wyoming E-mail: kforeman@juno.com PC Model year: 1995 Bought new Modifications: Corbin seat with passenger backrest ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:01:01 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Headlight >Jason, I've run my 55/100 for about 12k miles many of those being 12 to 15 >hour days on the high beam, with no problems whatsoever. Wouldn't there be a big difference whether you spent most time at cruise speeds, or in town? Like the big difference it makes with radiator temperature as reflected by the temp. gauge. Now that it's getting on toward winter, I found myself riding at night for the first time (on the PC). Sure needs help in the light department. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Andrew Rosenthal" To: "List Honda Group" Subject: Introducing myself Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:14:36 -0400 Hello. I'm a new subscriber to the PC800 mailing list. My name is Andrew Rosenthal and I live in Washington, DC. I own a 1994 PC800 and still think it's the best thing I ever bought. The only optional equipment on it are a backrest and the larger windscreen. Glad to see there's so many of us out there. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 27 Sep 96 16:42:45 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast I heard recently from a reliable source that there would be a 1997 PC, and that it would not have the front brake caliper covers! That makes me wonder if the front fender has been re-designed, as the two pieces fit together. Perhaps they wised up and used the ST1100 front fender! No other word on color, price, etc....stay tuned! If you haven't seen a PC with the caliper covers removed, I can tell you that it looks downright sporty! HSTA member Cinda Mobley has an ST1100 front fender on her PC, and the caliper covers removed! It's not a bolt-on deal, but special brackets have to be made. But...it really looks good, and I understand that high speed handling was improved by this modification. Roger Prince has the parts on hand to do the same to his '95 PC, and he has this project at the top of his winter "to do" list! I also heard that keeping the price under $8,000 had a positive effect on PC sales, whereas having the price above $8,000 has had a negative effect on sales! However, I don't expect a price reduction...I just wish that they'd do a few things such as add a clock and headlight a/la ST1100, etc. Who knows...there may be a 1997 Honda soap dish in my future! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:56:36 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast The color is red/red. The price has been slightly increased. The self cancelling turn signals have been replaced. The front brake is exposed. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:03:04 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast At 06:56 PM 9/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >The color is red/red. You mean it is no longer two tone? >The price has been slightly increased. Know how much? >The self cancelling turn signals have been replaced. Replaced by what? >The front brake is exposed. Hmmm... Cool, I think... Is this info on the Honda Web page? Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:07:02 -0400 To: deselms@primenet.com, JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil In a message dated 96-09-23 06:10:10 EDT, deselms@primenet.com (Gregg L. DesElms) writes: << Mixing viscosities (oil weights, e.g. 10w40 vs 20w50, etc.) is a real no-no. >> Gregg, What makes you think this is somehow bad or dangerous? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:19:46 PST Subject: Honda Motorcycles From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S Foreman) Hello PC800 owners, Need a little help. I have just went on the internet, I tried to bring up the Honda Motorcycles, and just got the Honda Cars. I would appreciate it very much if someone could give me the correct internet address. Thanks, Ken 1995 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:34:23 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Kenneth S Foreman CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Honda Motorcycles Kenneth S Foreman wrote: > I tried to bring up the Honda Motorcycles, and just got the Honda Cars. I would appreciate it very much if > someone could give me the correct internet address. As near as I have been able to determine, there is no web presence for American Honda motorcycle division. You'd think that a company with enough insight to build the PC-800 would be on the net... IMHINABO (In My Humble I Need Another Beer Opinion...) gk _________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:26:31 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Honda Motorcycles At 07:34 PM 9/27/96 -0400, you wrote: There is one, maybe two. The official Honda Motorcycle page is in Japan (of course), and there is one in England. I'll hunt around for the URL's. Juan >Kenneth S Foreman wrote: >> I tried to bring up the Honda Motorcycles, and just got the Honda Cars. I would appreciate it very much if >> someone could give me the correct internet address. > >As near as I have been able to determine, there is no web presence for American Honda motorcycle division. >You'd think that a company with enough insight to build the PC-800 would be on the net... IMHINABO >(In My Humble I Need Another Beer Opinion...) > >gk >_________________________________________________________________ >Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: >Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut >___________________________________________________________________ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 20:41:15 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: [Fwd: Re: Oil] --------------43DEB832C72 I use plain old vegetable oil in my PC. That way if I break down in the middle of nowhere I can live off the bike itself. Handgrips stir fried in that same oil...mmmmmm. ;) E. --------------43DEB832C72 Errors-To: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:07:02 -0400 To: deselms@primenet.com, JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil In a message dated 96-09-23 06:10:10 EDT, deselms@primenet.com (Gregg L. DesElms) writes: << Mixing viscosities (oil weights, e.g. 10w40 vs 20w50, etc.) is a real no-no. >> Gregg, What makes you think this is somehow bad or dangerous? --------------43DEB832C72-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 22:00:27 -0700 (MST) To: TedJ101@aol.com, JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Oil At 19:07 9/27/96 -0400, TedJ101@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 96-09-23 06:10:10 EDT, deselms@primenet.com (Gregg L. >DesElms) writes: > ><< Mixing viscosities (oil > weights, e.g. 10w40 vs 20w50, etc.) is a real no-no. >> > > >Gregg, > >What makes you think this is somehow bad or dangerous? > Oil doesn't just lubricate. It also transfers heat. Oil quality has little or nothing to do with lubrication -- at least not in the beginning. At first, even the cheapest oil will lubricate to roughly the maximum of any oil's ability to lubricate at all. What separates one oil from the next is its ability to keep lubricating over time and to effectively carry heat. Thermal breakdown is the biggest reason oil stops lubricating and carrying heat over time. It is an oil's ability to withstand heat and still maintain its lubricating and heat transferability properties that determines its "quality." And in time, no matter how good the oil, all oils break down from heat. In a refinery, crudes are processed into a truly homogeneous mixture to create a certain oil weight that will not separate after sitting in storage or in the crankcase of a vehicle that has not been driven for a while. Each finished oil weight has certain relatively unique lubricating and heat-transferability properties (which become more pronounced over time). When different weights are mixed in the crankcase, they never become a homogeneous mixture. The action of an engine oil pump and the temperatures typical in an engine are insufficient to homogenize the weights as would be possible in a refinery. For as long as two different weights are in the crankcase, they never become one homogeneous thermal lubricating layer on moving parts, always remaining separate. When a lubricating layer of oil made-up from different weights coat a single metal surface, the two oil components transfer heat from different parts of the single surfaces at different rates. Ultimately, this can cause uneven wear and warping of the surface. And as the weights both reach the end of their useful lives, the problem is exacerbated because the two oil weights will have broken down at different rates. For a given person and his or her engine, the alleged warping and uneven wear referenced above may never actually manifest itself into any kind of a problem. Theoretically, a person could, conceivably mix weights for years with seemingly no adverse affects -- especially if the person is religious about changing oil frequently and always changes the filter with each oil change as well. But once the physics of it are understood, why would anyone want to mess around with it? Gregg L. DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Richard Stanley" To: Subject: Color Scheme Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:24:21 +0800 Hi I live in Hong Kong, I've only ever seen two PC800's here, one red the other white. Honda don't ship to HK so I'm ordering one from overseas:) I can't get much info on the '96 model or '97. Has the colour scheme changed? The picture I saw of a 96 looked like two tone red and black. Much prefer the red/silver. Can anyone help? Thanks Richard Stanley ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 21:00:25 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FW: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Dana L. Sawyer Sent: Friday, September 27, 1996 3:42 PM To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: 1997 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast Dana wrote: I heard recently from a reliable source that there would be a 1997 PC, and that it would not have the front brake caliper covers! Dana: Your post got me curious. Visited my local dealer today and they had color pics of 1997 PC. 1. Colors look to be straight off the 1996 VFR750. Since I think the VFR is a handsome machine, I like it. 2. Indeed the front fender looks to be very conventional. 3. The combined effect is a much more traditional looking motorcycle. I suspect Honda is attempting to broaden the appeal of a great motorcycle. Who knows...there may be a 1997 Honda soap dish in my future! Uh oh! Better wait until Honda announces the price. I'm waiting until Juan gets that PC1100 ready to run. Then I won't have to do my Hawk 800 project. Mike Larson MILAR@MSN.COM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:02:55 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Dave Lott Subject: Help! Corbin Seat Installation Help! The Corbin Seat I ordered for my 89 PC arrived this week and since it was a rainy day today, I thought it would be a good time to put it on. Everything proceeded fine on the front part of the saddle and the back part seems to align OK with the frame holes, but I have a question on reinstalling the handgrips. The stock seat I am replacing had the Honda backrest with the external frame when I purchased the bike used. When I reinstalled the hangrips, the back hole in the Corbin seat is too big for the head of the small screw and that end of the grip sticks out from the seat. It is this way on both sides. I am sure I can put in a washer to solve the problem, but I know it shouldn't be that way. Is this an error on Corbin's part or was there some piece there originally that may have been changed out. I would like to get this project finished this weekend, so any help would be appreciated. Otherwise, I will call Corbin Monday morning and see what they have to say. Thanks! Ride as if you life depended on it, Dave Lott Marietta, GA 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:59:32 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Gerard Diepeveen Subject: Dutch mailinglist To All We have added a mailinglist to our homepage (Honda Pacific Coast Netherlands) to subscribe: Send an E-Mail to: majordomo@bsltwr.xs4all.nl with the following command in the body of the message: subscribe mvpcn-l to Unsubcribe: If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "majordomo@bsltwr.xs4all.nl" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe mvpcn-l (your E-Mail address) Gerard Diepeveen (Honda Pacific Coast 800 The Netherlands) ----------------------------------------------------- ***** ***** ** ** Gerard Diepeveen ** ** ** *** ** Pacific Coast Netherlands ** ** ** ** * ** ***** ** ** * ** Abelenlaan 30 ** ** ** *** 3181 WE Rozenburg ** ***** ** ** Netherlands O-PC-O:-) "May the Pacific Coast be with you" http://web.inter.nl.net/users/G.Diepeveen/pc800.htm ---------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:49:36 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: Metzler tires Hi everyone... Well, it's that time again...and I need to get new tires for my PC. I'd like to get Metzler this time. Any suggestions as to where I can mail order at a reasonable price? A few months ago someone posted that he bought a pair from Competition Accessories. (new front for $105.00) Phone 1-800-543-3535. If anyone has any further suggestions or recommendations, please let me know.. Thanks.. Bob nurse@hooked.net Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:56:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Metzler tires I considered Metzlers, but I had gotten 15,000 off the original equipment Dunlops. I replaced with the same. The new Dunlops seem to be better tires. Their adhesive quality has been greatly upgraded. Also, their handling at speed appears to be vastly improved. The PC's front end above 75 mph had a tenancy to get a little light with the original tires, not so with the new Dunlops. Someone on our net mentioned a possible new formula being used by Dunlop. I don't know, but it is sure a differ tire. Regardless of price, the new Dunlops may be an better tire than Metzler. Try a deep counter steered curve and find out. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:59:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A good, inexpensive helmet radio! Just a quick note to say that I've found and tested a good helmet radio. The Maxon 49 HX is a 5-channel selectable 49 mhz transceiver which is made for use with a helmet. The earpiece separates, with the small speaker going into the helmet, and the microphone unit being attached to the outside of the helmet with velcro. Owing to the problems inherit with a 49 mhz radio, the baby monitor noise, etc, this unit performs very well. The voice activated feature has a squelch system which was not even triggered by the noise on the So. Cal. freeways, and yet I could still talk and be heard by my partner also wearing a Maxon. It also comes with a remote button which can be mounted wih velcro near your left hand, if you want positive transmitting control. However, with a little practice in adjusting the squelch, I don't think the remote transmit button will be necessary. There is also an accessary extra headset that can be used with the intercom function for the rider on the back seat (it's an extra $30). The radio sells for about $65.00 including shipping from a couple of different sources. You may be able to get it locally for less, but I couldn't find any stores in my local area that had one. I ordered mine from a company out of state. Since I don't want to advertise for any one sales company, I won't list the name here, but I will give you the name individually if you ask for it. Please remember that other types of radios with more discrete radio frequencies will yield better clarity, range, and have less interference; but for the price, I think this is a pretty good alternative. (By the way, if you've ever been on a ride with transceivers, you would never want to ride without one, again!!) Well, that's the final chapter in my search for the inexpensive comm. device. Happy riding, Phil So. Cal. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Sep 96 06:03:00 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: Johan Lai Cc: PC800 owners Subject: Re: PC800 hats and things Johan, I think it is a great idea of having hats and things with the Pacific Coast logo. Do you see a possibility to get the stuff to the Netherlands at a reasonable price. What will be the basic colors/ prices of the hats and shirts? Thanks Willem van Alderwerelt, Hoofddorp, the Netherlands 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:30:00 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Metzler tires Bernie, is that Dunlop K177s or K555s? Roger > I considered Metzlers, but I had gotten 15,000 off the original equipment > Dunlops. I replaced with the same. The new Dunlops seem to be better > tires. Their adhesive quality has been greatly upgraded. Also, their > handling at speed appears to be vastly improved. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:32:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Archives/Saeng How does one access the archives. I'd like to learn more about Saeng edging and other options for quieting the bike. I tried the Rifle 20" but still had noise. I drove a PC with the large Rifle and it quieted the bike - to quiet. Also didn't care to look through the shield. I've seen a small spoiler installed on a Concourse - the owner claims it helps throw the air over his helmet. The spoiler appears to buy about 2 inches or so. Any help appreciated. Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Archives/Saeng From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:58:15 EDT For the spoiler check November Motorcyclist, P.55, bottom center. I use that spoiler on a 1989 windshield. It may interfere with vision on a higher shield. I found the Saeng edging (without the spoiler) to diminish in effectiveness above 45mph. Roger On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:32:39 -0400 Smcavin@aol.com writes: >I've seen a small spoiler installed on a Concourse - the owner claims >it >helps throw the air over his helmet. The spoiler appears to buy about >2 >inches or so. > >Any help appreciated. > >Bart > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 01:09:47 UT From: "Mike Larson" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FW: Archives/Saeng ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Roger F Prince Sent: Sunday, September 29, 1996 6:58 PM To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Archives/Saeng For the spoiler check November Motorcyclist, P.55, bottom center. I use that spoiler on a 1989 windshield. It may interfere with vision on a higher shield. I found the Saeng edging (without the spoiler) to diminish in effectiveness above 45mph. Roger Roger, 1. can we assume you like the spoiler since you are using it? 2. Does it give you an extra 2" of protection? 3. Did you try the Saeing winglets? 4. Any thoughts on improving protection? I too like looking over a windshield. Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:38:40 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 97 PC800 Hi all, Thanks to Dana Sawyer for his information on the 97 PC800. I was hoping that they would bring it back for another year, but I kind of hate to see them change it. The way it looks now is what separates it from everything else, especially the brake covers. I know the covers is just one more thing to have to take off when servicing the brakes, but it is just part of it's look. Also, a solid color without the lower silver or gray will also make it look a lot different from all the other Coasts that have come before it. However, if they were to put the Shadow 1100 engine in it, then the changes would seem more appropriate. I have certainly been enjoying my PC, and seem to be riding it more than my other bike, a Suzuki GSX 1100 G standard. I love having the trunk to carry stuff in, which I don't have on the other bike. It may not be nearly as fast as the Suzuki, but it has its own character and personality. I hope Honda continues to make it. As always, thanks for your web page. Jim Mangum pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:49:28 -0500 (CDT) (dlwinger@atl-ga21-16.ix.netcom.com [205.186.178.112]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA06574 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:06:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:06:27 -0700 From: Dave Lott Subject: Corbin Seat Installation - A Grand Success To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I thought that those of you that have been following the Corbin seat discussion might be interested in my experience. Taking advantage of a business trip to San Francisco, Debbie and I went out early and spent the weekend in Monterey. On Saturday morning, I drove up to Corbin's workshop and talked to Julio about the numerous customer service and quality problems that had been on the PC and HSTA mailing lists. After seeing their operation and talking to some of the other folks there, I felt confident that all would be OK and ordered my seat. I received my seat via UPS about a week later. Since Saturday was a rainy day, I started the installation. As I indicated in a previous message, the front section went on fine and there is a nice even fit on all sides. The only problem I am encountering is a tab on the front of the trunk is slightly rubbing against the back of seat piping on the right side. The back portion alignment was almost perfect. The bolts went into the frame after only a little bit of pushing or pulling. I certainly was relieved not to have encountered the misalignment problems others had reported in the past. I did have to make an adjustment in reattaching the grabbars. When I purchased the bike, it came with the Honda backrest. The attachment point at the back of the grabbar uses a 1/2" flathead screw and the backrest frame is set up for this screw with a smaller diameter, recessed hole. Unfortunately, the Corbin seat drilled the same size hole as the front two bolts, so the head of the screw would pass right through the seat. I first tried a washer on the inside of the seat, but the taper in the head of the screw took too much away from the length of the screw and it wouldn't go into the grabbar. Working from a tip given by Mike Bavister (thanks Mike), I replaced the phillips head screw with a hex head bolt purchased from my local hardware store for $.20 and it fit perfectly. So now I am all set. Went for a short ride and the seat felt real nice. It will take a little breakin period, but the slightly lower ride felt good and the adjustable back plate gave a nice firm feel to being set in the saddle. Debbie and I plan to get all the adjustments set this week and then head up to the north GA mountains next weekend. I will call Corbin tomorrow and ask about the seat rubbing. I checked the seat edge and it doesn't appear to be any different from the other side which is clearing OK. Maybe my trunk opener is a little out of alignment. I am just concerned that as I break the seat in and press down, the back edge will be pushed out more and the edge could either tear or wear a hole in the seat. Thanks for all the help! If I can help anyone with their installation, just give me a jingle. Ride as if you life depended on it, Dave Lott Marietta, GA 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #18580) 30 Sep 1996 01:48:20 -0500 (CDT) id CAA16998 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:48:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:48:19 -0400 Subject: PC800 Rally....? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu After rather tardily reading my accumulated mail, I noted that more than one response to BernieK's very entertaining "Over the River..." story mentioning that there should be an all-PC "meet", possibly at the Missouri site of his previously-mentioned escapades. This got me to wondering: How many PC'ers on this list belong to the Honda Sport Touring Association (HSTA)? I mention this because I just read the August issue of the Honda STAReview, the fine mag sponsored by the HSTA. That issue devoted itself to the STAR '96, the national HSTA rally held in Canaan Valley, West Virginia. From the 2,000 total HSTA membership, 458 people from 32 states attended the rally. And...for those so inclined...the STAR '97 is going to be held at Lake Eufaula in Oklahoma. Centrally located or what? Many HSTA members ride or have ridden PC800s, including the esteemed founder of the HSTA (and frequent contributor to this list) Dana Sawyer. Instead of re-inventing the wheel and trying to put together our own rally, why don't we use the STAR '97 as a rallying point for meeting each other? I went to the WeSTAR in Yosemite Park this year and had a blast...Honda owners are a great group of people. Which brings me to another point: It's one of the few rallys where you can ride up on your PC and not have everyone go "What's That...?" :-)) One more plug for the HSTA. Most states have an HSTA chapter which organizes rides or coordinates with other groups for rides. It's a great way to meet other Honda riders, and other riders in general. So if you're not already a member, join up and have some fun! And lets all meet in Oklahoma next year! If you're interested in joining, privately e-mail me, Dana, Bryce Ulrich, Richard Hardy (Jeez, I hope that's OK with you guys!), or someone else that you know is a member. We'll get you membership information. Oklahoma beckons! Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Timmacy@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Rally....? Oklahoma centrally located??? Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:50:43 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Personal note for Gaye.... Gaye, Sorry I had to post this here but I misplaced your address. Either you and your SO hated Charlie's and didn't want to say, or you never got there, or you loved it so much you are too busy eating to write! Which is it???!! alan '89 PC800 '94 XV 535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:28:39 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: pc800 listserv Subject: Sabres games past saturday Too bad I didn't catch up to Dan. The Sabres didn't look that bad, but lost 3-2. Trev was in Goal. And yes Pat LaFontaine did skate. Fastest on the ice and the most hussle. Burridge & Ndur scored. Randy pushed a rebound in from Pat's shot. Ndur had a nice shot from the top of the circle, clean to the net. Galley did his normal screw-up, skated past the opposing player and gave him the puck, yes they did score. Trev, I think let some easy goals in. Two were from atleast the middle of the circle with no screen, he should have stopped them. Okay, back to work. Dave -- David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) Telecommunication Engineer GO Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey! '?? PC800 - (not yet)! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Re: Metzler tires To: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:12:07 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ++ ++Hi everyone... ++ ++Well, it's that time again...and I need to get new tires for my PC. I'd ++like to get Metzler this time. Any suggestions as to where I can mail order ++at a reasonable price? ++ ++A few months ago someone posted that he bought a pair from Competition ++Accessories. (new front for $105.00) Phone 1-800-543-3535. ++ ++If anyone has any further suggestions or recommendations, please let me know.. ++ ++Thanks.. ++ ++Bob ++nurse@hooked.net ++ The last front tire I bought I got from Competition Accessories, and it will be the *last* tire I buy from them. I bought the tire in April of '95, and the DOT number indicated that the manufacture date was around July of '93, so my tire was almost 2 years old before I even got it on the bike! In July of '95, I replaced my rear tire with one from Dennis Kirk, and this time the DOT no. indicated a manufacture date of February, '95, which was much more reasonable. Dennis Kirk will also beat current advertised prices of their competition if you reference the competition's ad when you call. I have nothing to gain from Dennis Kirk: just seems as though they move a lot more tires, so their stock is more current, and I'm much less likely to get an old tire that's been knocking around in a warehouse for a couple of years. Tom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Headlight To: 9312 cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I'm amazed about all the negative comments about the headlight. It is lightyears (pun intended) better than my '79 Honda and others from that era. Do the replacement bulbs help out on low beam very much compared to the stock bulb? Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Archives/Saeng I've had the Saeng edging on my tall Hondaline shield since August, 1995 and it MAY be a little quieter - it's so little that I can't be sure there is any difference It WILL help prevent dash melt. On Sun, 29 Sep 1996 Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > How does one access the archives. I'd like to learn more about Saeng edging > and other options for quieting the bike. I tried the Rifle 20" but still had > noise. I drove a PC with the large Rifle and it quieted the bike - to quiet. > Also didn't care to look through the shield. > I've seen a small spoiler installed on a Concourse - the owner claims it > helps throw the air over his helmet. The spoiler appears to buy about 2 > inches or so. > > Any help appreciated. > > Bart > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Rally....? Right on, Tim! Richard Hardy On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > After rather tardily reading my accumulated mail, I noted that more than one > response to BernieK's very entertaining "Over the River..." story mentioning > that there should be an all-PC "meet", possibly at the Missouri site of his > previously-mentioned escapades. > > This got me to wondering: How many PC'ers on this list belong to the Honda > Sport Touring Association (HSTA)? I mention this because I just read the > August issue of the Honda STAReview, the fine mag sponsored by the HSTA. > That issue devoted itself to the STAR '96, the national HSTA rally held in > Canaan Valley, West Virginia. From the 2,000 total HSTA membership, 458 > people from 32 states attended the rally. And...for those so inclined...the > STAR '97 is going to be held at Lake Eufaula in Oklahoma. Centrally located > or what? > > Many HSTA members ride or have ridden PC800s, including the esteemed founder > of the HSTA (and frequent contributor to this list) Dana Sawyer. Instead of > re-inventing the wheel and trying to put together our own rally, why don't we > use the STAR '97 as a rallying point for meeting each other? I went to the > WeSTAR in Yosemite Park this year and had a blast...Honda owners are a great > group of people. Which brings me to another point: It's one of the few > rallys where you can ride up on your PC and not have everyone go "What's > That...?" :-)) > > One more plug for the HSTA. Most states have an HSTA chapter which organizes > rides or coordinates with other groups for rides. It's a great way to meet > other Honda riders, and other riders in general. So if you're not already a > member, join up and have some fun! And lets all meet in Oklahoma next year! > > > If you're interested in joining, privately e-mail me, Dana, Bryce Ulrich, > Richard Hardy (Jeez, I hope that's OK with you guys!), or someone else that > you know is a member. We'll get you membership information. Oklahoma > beckons! > > Tim > Portland, OR > timmacy@aol.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:09:41 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Rally....? I am not much of a joiner. I didn't belong to a fraternity in college, I am not a member of Elks or the Shriners and I don't eat lunch with the Optimist. I have noticed that during HSTA "get togethers" the members seem to cluster by the type of bike they are riding and their home location. I do think we have different situation being owners of Pacific Coasts and using computers to communicate. This is an unique group. We have things to discussed that are outside the normal motorcycle lingo, and the ability to continue that conversation through-out the year. We also have the power to directly contact those organizations and individuals that affect our hobby via their hot switch, the Internet. We certainly had an affect on a motorcycle seat manufacture and the highway patrolman that attempted to hustle me out of $50.00 on Interstate 57. The tremendous advances being made in computer communications will evolve the nature of this list within months. A list convocation could be arranged during the annual HSTA Star meeting, but this is a different group. I think it might informative to post how many of us would be interested in attending a "face to face" with the other members of this list. Let us not worry about where, how or when. We should find just find out how many members of this list would like to put faces with the e-mail addresses. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Dave Lott'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Help! Corbin Seat Installation Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:26:44 -0700 << When I reinstalled the hangrips, the back hole in the Corbin seat is too big for the head of the small screw and that end of the grip sticks out from the seat. It is this way on both sides. I am sure I can put in a washer to solve the problem, but I know it shouldn't be that way. Is this an error on Corbin's part or was there some piece there originally that may have been changed out.>> My Corbin I installed several years back had the same extra large hole. I used a washer as a solution as well. Have no idea why. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:54:11 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: fialdj@i2020.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sabres games past saturday WHO CARES!!!!!! I CERTAINLY DON'T! The only Sabres I care about were made by Honda. Roger Prince From mail Mon Sep 30 09:37 EDT 1996 > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:28:39 -0400 > From: "David J. Fial" > To: pc800 listserv > Subject: Sabres games past saturday > > Too bad I didn't catch up to Dan. The Sabres didn't look that bad, but > lost 3-2. Trev was in Goal. And yes Pat LaFontaine did skate. Fastest on > the ice and the most hussle. Burridge & Ndur scored. Randy pushed a > rebound in from Pat's shot. Ndur had a nice shot from the top of the > circle, clean to the net. Galley did his normal screw-up, skated past > the opposing player and gave him the puck, yes they did score. Trev, I > think let some easy goals in. Two were from atleast the middle of the > circle with no screen, he should have stopped them. Okay, back to work. > > Dave > -- > David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) > Telecommunication Engineer > > GO Sabres!!! > Give Blood, Play Hockey! > '?? PC800 - (not yet)! > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:16:15 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Rally....? See y'all in OK. We had a PC800 owners meeting in WV at STAR. Very interesting and informative. 1/3 to 1/2 of those in attendance are on this list. I'm sure we'll do it again at STAR'97. Nothing was planned in advance. Worked out fine. Certainly not meant to replace any of what the list already does. Roger Prince > I am not much of a joiner. I didn't belong to a fraternity in college, I > am not a member of Elks or the Shriners and I don't eat lunch with the > Optimist. I have noticed that during HSTA "get togethers" the members > seem to cluster by the type of bike they are riding and their home > location. I do think we have different situation being owners of > Pacific Coasts and using computers to communicate. This is an unique > group. We have things to discussed that are outside the normal > motorcycle lingo, and the ability to continue that conversation > through-out the year. We also have the power to directly contact those > organizations and individuals that affect our hobby via their hot switch, > the Internet. We certainly had an affect on a motorcycle seat > manufacture and the highway patrolman that attempted to hustle me out of > $50.00 on Interstate 57. The tremendous advances being made in computer > communications will evolve the nature of this list within months. A > list convocation could be arranged during the annual HSTA Star meeting, > but this is a different group. I think it might informative to post how > many of us would be interested in attending a "face to face" with the > other members of this list. Let us not worry about where, how or when. > We should find just find out how many members of this list would like to > put faces with the e-mail addresses. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:20:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: The 49 mhz helmet radio. Just a quick note. The person I ordered my radio from, wrote me a note offering a small discount for quantity orders. (I've copied the note and it's at the end of this e-mail.) I don't want to put his name on here, like before, because I don't want to get into advertising for any one company. I want you to be sure that I am not getting a commission or anything, but I just wanted to pass along this info. Hope it helps. Happy riding, Phil Lewis So. Cal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ This is the note that was sent to me: (P.S.-The radio is $58.95 before shipping. Shipping was $6.00) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Greetings Phil, The discount rate that I receive on quantities from my distributor is $1. Not much. What I will do is provide free shipping on 49HX orders of 10 or more. This represents at least a 10% discount. I would prefer one payment source and ship-to address. I will need each buyers addresses so that everyone gets a sales invoice. If you can assemble a larger order I will try to do better. Will this work for you? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:50:26 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:49:59 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: L W Fine Subject: PC800 Saeng Edging About the SAENG edging....I tried it on my PC800 and my Beamer and came to the following conclusion... I really didn't see much difference at all. In fact, I felt the edging lessened my air pocket. Here's why... I would put my hand just over the top of my windshield with and without the edging. Without the edging, the air traveling up the windshield helped to push the approaching air (horizontal air) upward with great force, thus creating a pocket of somewhat still air. When I put the edging on, the approaching air was not pushed up as far as without the edging, thus lessening my pocket. I know the edging is supposed to create "whirling air pockets" that are supposed to "roll" up the incoming air but all it did was to reduce the force of the air traveling up the windshield allowing the approaching air to travel in more of a horizontal line rather than be forced upward by the fast moving air traveling up the windshield without the edging. I am 6' feet tall and use the tall Rifle windshield and still wish there was less turbulence. I have found ear plugs to help but have to have my helmet speakers almost at full blast to hear the radio. Any suggestions ???????????? Sonny ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:00:43 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: pc800 listserv , NVXL62A@prodigy.com Subject: OOPS!, Re: Sabres games past saturday Oops! Sorry to the PC800 listserv groupies. I selected the wrong listserv. I don't need anymore nastygrams! I caught the problem when I received it from the server myself. -- David J. Fial (fialdj@i2020.net) Telecommunication Engineer GO Sabres!!! Give Blood, Play Hockey! '?? PC800 - (not yet)! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:38:32 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Oil At 12:06 AM 9/23/96 -0400, Jeff wrote: >Also, how do I access, search and review the archives? This seems to be a question that is popping up quite frequently now. It is rather easy if you have access to the WWW with a browser. Just load the PC800 homepage and follow the link to the archive search engine. The rest is a piece of cake. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX New! 1996 Arctic Cat EXT EFI Mountain Cat - Sweet! ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Milar@msn.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: FW: Archives/Saeng From: rogerprince@juno.com (Roger F Prince) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 17:33:47 EDT 1. Yes 2. Gives the equal protection of the stock shield, which is 4" vertically higher than the '89. So I get about 4" protection for the price of 2". This lets me look over the top comfortably. 3. No 4. A Golden Wing or a Dodge Ram pickup truck. PC800? I'm satisfied as it is. Roger On Mon, 30 Sep 96 01:09:47 UT "Mike Larson" writes: >Roger, > 1. can we assume you like the spoiler since you are using it? > 2. Does it give you an extra 2" of protection? > 3. Did you try the Saeing winglets? > 4. Any thoughts on improving protection? I too like looking >over a >windshield. > >Mike Larson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:06:02 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: BernieK469@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: PC800 Rally....? BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > We should find just find out how many members of this list would like to > put faces with the e-mail addresses. Here's an interesting thought : Why not have a location withing the PC-800 web page for pictures of listmembers? Should a "reality based" rally come to pass we'd at least have some idea as to who's who. Just a thought... gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:19:00 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cooking Bulbs and Switches... Thought I'd throw my $.02 into the fray re: Brighter headlamps. I've got a '94, and I went to the higher wattage bulbs meself. (Don't ask me how high...I forgot!) I've been using it them for probably the last 25K (I've got 35K on the StealthMobile now)...my first higher wattage bulb burned out after about 20K of use. I deliberately set it "inbetween" high/low when the situation calls for it, and I've never had any problems. Of course, that may have indirectly led to failure after only 20K...who knows? One thing I have quit doing, however, is keeping the beam on "high" during daylight hours. I don't think I'm any less visible, and hopefully it'll give more life to the bulb. Changing them is a pain! Speaking of keeping lights on during the day (and at the risk of starting a new thread), does it bother anyone else that more and more car manufacturers are producing cars that keep headlights on during the day? They purport to be doing it for safety reasons, but I for one don't want to get lost in a sea of headlights going down the road. There's a reason why Orygun and other states have required motorcycles to have daytime headlights! Ride Your Own Ride, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Sep 96 20:25:32 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: GIVI Saddlebags/TopCase Review I recently installed a GIVI rack and 50-litre Maxia top box on my '90 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast. There is an excellent review of the GIVI product line in the November issue of RIDER magazine...look on page 70. Notice that their national headquarters is now located in Charlotte, North Carolina. GIVI products are no longer sold through Capital Cycle. ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001SU HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 71430.340@CompuServe.com 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ************************************************* ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:36:55 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Timmacy@aol.com CC: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Cooking Bulbs and Switches... Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > does it bother anyone else that more and more car manufacturers are producing cars that keep headlights on > during the day? They purport to be doing it for safety reasons... In nearly 26 years of riding, I've compiled this short list of rules/observations: 1) It is impossible for your headlight to ever be bright enough for cagers to see. 2) No matter how "loud" a color your bike may be, you are invisible. 3) There is not a horn made that will awaken the clinically dead cager. 4) Ride as though everyone is out to kill you - because they are. (Anticipate every possible scenario that might make the difference between getting home to feed your cats or buying your mortician a new car) Despite all of the above, I still would rather ride than most other things. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dennis" To: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:32:03 +0000 Subject: Re: A good, inexpensive helmet radio! Reply-to: denko@ix.netcom.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Phil Been using the Maxon radios, in various incarnations, for over ten years. The only one that we tried that we *didn't* like was the one you put in your ear . . . . . for some reason, it always sounded as if you had your microphone in your ear!!! What do you expect from something sold by that Drew Kaplan dude anyway!! As a side note, MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News) recommended the Maxon out of a whole pack of devices, many costing much more, as I recall. My friend and I just keep fixin' em and fixin' em. They never totally die if you can solder (grin). We have replaced antennae, switches, PTT buttons, boom microphones, etc. And, the Maxon folks are very good about selling parts. Good luck with them Dennis "Veni, vidi, velcro" I came, I saw, I stuck around -Anonymous (can't take credit for this one, it is in the new Rider Wearhouse Catalog . . . . . loved it!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:26:19 -0400 To: lwfine@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Saeng Edging I'm 6'2" and using the tall Rifle. When I sit STRAIGHT up, the top of my head, perhaps eye level is above the shield. I have 32" 34" legs so my torso is not really long. I can't believe the tall Rifle doesn't cover you. The Corbin seat is supposed to drop you down about 1.5". Perhaps that would help. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:45:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Fall Leaves..... Hi Everyone in IL, IN, WI, IA ..... I just spent the weekend near Devils Lake in Baraboo, WI (1 hour NW of Madison, WI). While there, I took a chance and went to see the famous House on the Rock. It was a rip off BUT, the roads getting there were FANTASTIC. How many folks are interested in putting together a camp out ride through the leaves type trip for say the weekend of Oct. 11-12-13. Perhaps we could meet for camping at Devils Lake on Friday night. Ride Saturday and Sunday morning before heading home. For those not into camping there are plenty of hotels in the area. It's all dependant a bit on the weather but if there is interest I can try to reserve a camp site or a block of rooms. I live in Chicago and would be leaving after work. Please advise sson. The leaves won't last for long. Todd Zedak 312-235-0933 (Chicago) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Sep 1996 20:24:01 -0500 Lines: 20 >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: JAG> At 12:06 AM 9/23/96 -0400, Jeff wrote: >> Also, how do I access, search and review the archives? JAG> This seems to be a question that is popping up quite frequently now. And I really don't understand why; complete instructions are included in the message that every new user receives when they subscribe. I have a feeling that most people don't read it, though, which is too bad and really makes no sense. I post it here every time I change it, too, so everyone has seen it. Besides, the location of the web page is included at the bottom of every message; on that page are links to the archives. Isn't there a story about a horse, some water, and drinking that's pertinent? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Todd Zedak" To: , "Jason L Tibbitts III" Subject: Where am I ?????? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:25:23 -0500 Once again, Jason's sword like wit slices through the newbie...... Please folks, especially the newbies, READ THE DIRECTIONS...... GO TO THE WEB PAGE !!!!! OR THE MAILING LIST PAGE !!!!!! They all contain links to the archives. Also, never type in all caps, unless you REALLY mean it. Ride ( and surf) safe..... Z ---------- > From: Jason L Tibbitts III > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Oil > Date: Monday, September 30, 1996 8:24 PM > > >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: > > JAG> At 12:06 AM 9/23/96 -0400, Jeff wrote: > >> Also, how do I access, search and review the archives? > > JAG> This seems to be a question that is popping up quite frequently now. > > And I really don't understand why; complete instructions are included in > the message that every new user receives when they subscribe. I have a > feeling that most people don't read it, though, which is too bad and really > makes no sense. I post it here every time I change it, too, so everyone > has seen it. > > Besides, the location of the web page is included at the bottom of every > message; on that page are links to the archives. > > Isn't there a story about a horse, some water, and drinking that's > pertinent? > > - J< > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu.