********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:07:14 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Military bases?? > Hey, have either of you guys heard about the Nude Motorcycle Club in TX? Do they wear orange vests? Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:08:37 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: BernieK469@aol.com (by way of b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman)) Subject: Re: Military Bases Bernie wrote: "Complaining about DOD motorcycle regulations....we have a government (state, federal, county, and city) that is taking 52% of our gross incomes in various taxes, franchise fees and retirement set asides that we never get..." Bernie-- I couldn't agree more, but,... like all other red-blooded Americans I want to start a PC800 Political Action Committee whose objective will be to raise $50. With $50 we can buy a couple of Senators and get billions spent repaving our favorite motorcycling highways and byways. Better toss in another $100 million for a new federal agency, FMHBRA, the Federal Motorcycle Highway & Byway Repaving Agency. Of course what would be the sense in spending $Billions to repave our favorite roads if irresponsible riders are going to ride on them with IMPROPERLY INFLATED TIRES??? We could create a very simple form (streamlining govt is real big these days, no long forms allowed) for riders to fill out each day, certifying that they have checked their tire pressure and it is within government standards. This would be done on the honor system, of course, because we don't want to create a huge new bureaucracy. FMHBRA would need agents in the field to do "unannounced spot audits" but we could spin that as "bringing government to the people." Oh, by the way, if you find that your tire pressure is beyond government limits and you go to the service station to rectify the situation, MAKE SURE THE SERVICE STATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL CITY, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS, OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE HELD LIABLE FOR THE SERVICE STATION'S NON-COMPLIANCE! If you are an unremmittent conservative, relax, your constitutional rights are safely guarded by The Appeals Process, which should only take three years and $40,000 in legal fees (nolo contendre settlements, agreeing to never do in the future what you never did in the past, are recommended). Anyone else out there run a small business? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:34:04 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country I'm buying a PC800 in a southern state and need to move it to Seattle. I would love to drive it back, but I can't get the time off work in the timeframe I need to. Does anyone have advice on how to move a bike x-country with the obvious goals of reasonable cost and safety to the bike? Thanks! - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:38:53 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, MickeyMatt@aol.com Subject: Clothing & Helmet questions New owner needs advice on purchasing protective gear. I plan to get a full-body suit, reflective vest, gloves, etc.. Do you have gear that you would never go without? What about the best helmet? While my goal is best value, I won't skimp when it comes to safety. I'll be commuting 2 hrs per day in the Seattle area, so occasionally rain is going to be a fact of life. Thanks!! - pauly with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Aug 1996 11:44:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 11:43:23 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Resend! Ignore if already received. June was a pretty rough month with a lot of pesky work stuff interfering with my REAL job of maintaining the PC800 web page. Thanks to those who contributed. Unfortunately, I seem to have lost some of the accompanying info for some of the pictures I received. It is possible that I have also mislaid some of the contributions. I have added several new pictures to the 'Pictures' page. If yours is there, and you would like to help with the captioning please send [resend :-(] that information. If you have submitted something and not seen it posted, drop me a line. Unfortunately, my various disk spaces are about as cluttered as my desk spaces and none of them are very good. Hopefully, I will be getting back to the work on the 'Registry' project. If you submitted a registration, please continue to be patient while I work on the program to process the input and convert it to web page output. I'll keep you posted. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:49:08 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Moving and clothing Pauly--Regarding how to move a bike from a southern state to Seattle, and what clothing to wear in Seattle's lousy climate: Kill two birds with one stone: move to the southern state where the bike is located and ride in shorts & tee-shirt. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:58:11 +0100 To: "Paul Hayes" From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Re: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I'm buying a PC800 in a southern state and need to move it to Seattle. I >would love to drive it back, but I can't get the time off work in the >timeframe I need to. Does anyone have advice on how to move a bike x-country >with the obvious goals of reasonable cost and safety to the bike? Paul: Try any of the enclosed car transporters listed in Hemmings. I've used Neuman's and Intercity to ship Ferraris cross country. Shop around though. You might catch someone w/ a partial load heading your way. Dave with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:53:10 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:55:15 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Suits: The list will probably have a 'Stich vs. Motoport vs. BMW vs. Leathers Suits: The list will probably have a 'Stich vs. Motoport vs. BMW vs. Leathers discussion. I own the Motoport UltraTek II full suit and like it very much. I recently 'parked' the PC sideways on the pavement and came to appreciate the quality of the stiching, the armor, and the advantages of wearing full protective gear. I think it's important to try on several suits before buying one as this is an item in which the thrill of a good price pales when you're uncomfortable for several hours/days/years. I do hear that the 'Stich and BMW suits are excellent. Helmets: Get the Shoei RF700. Period. >>> Paul Hayes 08/01/96 02:38pm >>> New owner needs advice on purchasing protective gear. I plan to get a full-body suit, reflective vest, gloves, etc.. Do you have gear that you would never go without? What about the best helmet? While my goal is best value, I won't skimp when it comes to safety. I'll be commuting 2 hrs per day in the Seattle area, so occasionally rain is going to be a fact of life. Thanks!! - pauly -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 13:21:00 PDT From: NorrisX Heckwine To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country Be careful, I recently had my PC800 moved from Southern California to Portland Oregon though a well known major carrier. When they loaded it in California, I paid special attention to the fact that the mover wrapped it very well so as to prevent damage from movement. But when they got to Portland, they turned actual delivery over to their local affiliate. These two guys who looked like something from the set of Deliverance, dropped the bike off (that is figuratively and literally). When they opened the back of the truck, you could see precious plastic pieces of my once pristine ride scattered about the floor. It seemed that these two lunk heads tied the bike to the side of the truck with rope without any cushion to act as a shock absorber. You could also tell that the bike had been dropped on the opposite side that they tied to the truck. And naturally, Darell and Darell had no idea what was going on. The moving company did settle, but it is just the fact that they treated it so carelessly and it was a major inconvenience. My advice if you plan to pay someone to move your bike...make sure it is well insured, the present condition of the bike is WELL documented before they load it and prepare for the worst! Norris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Paul Hayes Cc: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, MickeyMatt@aol.com Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Paul Hayes wrote: > New owner needs advice on purchasing protective gear. I plan to get a > full-body suit, reflective vest, gloves, etc.. Do you have gear that you > would never go without? What about the best helmet? While my goal is best > value, I won't skimp when it comes to safety. > > I'll be commuting 2 hrs per day in the Seattle area, so occasionally rain is > going to be a fact of life. OCCASSIONALLY!!! > Thanks!! - pauly > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 17:50:32 -0500 From: Claude Hill To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Parts for Sale from my '89 PC, Stock windshield $70 Stock two piece seat $125 Sold my PC to by the ST1100. Have these items left over. Plus UPS & COD from Nashville, TN Claude Hill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:00:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases Hi Richard, et al: Wow! I guess I struck a sore spot. Sorry about that. Let me try to clarify my earlier post regarding the long-sleeves issue: I was merely trying to explain the rationale behind the MSF's riding gear recommendation (particularly with respect to objection centered on the abrasion protection afforted by light-weight shirts, pants, gloves, etc). It was not my intent to imply that I sanction their being a part of the military's safety regulations. There are two separate issues here, one political and one related to the safe and enjoyable operation of motorcycles. There are NOT the same. Politically, I believe that all of these decisions should be left to the individual when the only one affected is that individual. That is, I believe that it should not be the responsibility or function of government to protect mentally competent adults from themselves. Only when there is a direct impact on someone else's safety or rights (for example, the requirement for effective eye protection), should there be a law/regulation prescribing the use of riding gear. Otherwise, I believe that the individual should be allowed to choose what gear to wear and when and where to wear it. Nonetheless, I also know that govenment, company management, and even clubs and organizations can and do make rules which I may deem unwarranted but which they have an established right to make. Such is the burden of the social contract by and through which we all derive benefits not available to the creatures of the wild. Since I enjoyed a 26+ year career in the military before retiring, I am fully aware of and respect the legitimate concerns the military has with respect to protecting its investment in its people (civilian and military). And those concerns go beyond the simple "replacement-cost" issues (which are truly significant) to the need to provide long-term health care to those who when young or who simply don't know any better insist on ignoring the risks of certain apparently harmless behaviors and turn up with all-to-predictable medical problems in their later years. We all wind up paying that bill. So, I guess I'm saying that I understand the need for some of the regulations even if they go against my personal politics. The other side of the issue is the safety and enjoyment of motorcycling. In this regard, I do support, recommend and without fail abide by the MSF's guidelines regarding riding gear, because they have been demonstrated beyond any question to work for me. In my 40+ years of riding, the first 25 or so without benefit of any training or education, I have ridden extensively with and without each of the items on the MSF's list. After having tried it both ways, I have found that it is better (in terms of my personal safety and riding enjoyment) to ride with the recommended gear than without it, including long sleeves in the summer time. (They really are cooler than bare arms in the direct sun, Richard, and I don't think you'll find a reputable dermatologist today who would agree with you about the long-term effects of exposure to the sun even if there is no "burning" per se.) So, I guess I must plead guilty to being in favor of (and advocating) wearing all of that stuff, even on short runs in the summer time. At least I can claim credit for practicing what I preach (although my intent was not to preach in my previous post on the subject). But I am not guilty of believing that you or anyone else should be required to wear what you don't want to wear. It's your neck (and skin); you should be allowed to treat it any way that makes sense to you, provided that you don't expect anyone else to help you pay for if it turns out badly for you. I hope that this puts a cap on the flames for now. I don't know how much the others on the list want to hear about all of this. I believe that these are important issues that need open, frank discussion, but this may not be the place for it. What do the rest of you think? Take care, all. JT P.S., the "J" stands for John vice Jason. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:31:00 -0700 (MST) To: "Paul Hayes" , steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, MickeyMatt@aol.com From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions At 18:38 8/1/96 UT, Paul Hayes wrote: >New owner needs advice on purchasing protective gear. I plan to get a >full-body suit, reflective vest, gloves, etc.. Do you have gear that you >would never go without? What about the best helmet? While my goal is best >value, I won't skimp when it comes to safety. > >I'll be commuting 2 hrs per day in the Seattle area, so occasionally rain is >going to be a fact of life. > >Thanks!! - pauly > Ditto everything Jan Deroos said. Finding the difficult balance between comfort and effective armour is tricky. Plan on spending more than you think you'll have to. The really good stuff is pricey, but if you investigate thoroughly, you'll find there's a reason it costs more. As far as the helmet goes, Jan couldn't be more correct. You'll get other opinions, of course, but don't listen to them. GET THE SHOEI RF-700! Don't even bother shopping around. Just find the lowest price on an RF700 you can and then buy it. Look no further. Good luck. Gregg DesElms deselms@priment.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html <<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 96 19:51:46 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: Claude Hill Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: ST1100 vs PC Claude: Curious to know how the ST1100 compares to the PC in comfort, performance, whatever. -- Dave ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC800 Parts for Sale Author: Claude Hill at Internet Date: 8/1/96 6:57 PM from my '89 PC, Stock windshield $70 Stock two piece seat $125 Sold my PC to by the ST1100. Have these items left over. Plus UPS & COD from Nashville, TN Claude Hill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:27:10 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: Paul Hayes CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country Which southern state? Maybe we could stage a relay with each member riding a few hundred miles or so. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:16:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:02:59 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions Olympia makes a good medium weight glove that'll take you through most of the winter, depending on your tolerance for cold. Layering ability is the rule. If you're not going for an Aerostitch-type suit, get a good, easy to put on rain suit. Aqua Seal is great for gloves and boots. Helmets according to shape of head. Try 'em all one and see what fits best. If you opt for a full face helmet, get a HALO reflective band. Its scotchlite, goes around the bottom of the helmet, and makes you visible from a long way off in the dark. Lots of us here on the list ride year-round. when Bryce comes back from the Olympics, get him to tell you about riding uphill in the snow last winter. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:56:59 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases Thanks for the very well written paper. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 23:26:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: pc800 Military/ Pauly I spent too much of my life on military bases, both in the USN during the war years, and no to you young punks not WWII, but that Oliver Stone movie making, Rush Limbaugh draft dodging Vietnam war. I also worked for some 15 years as a hated civilian contractor. During all this time and over many different locations the end result was always the same. When these "Couldn't cut it as a Kmart manager" military brass chumps had nothing else to do, like chase fellow officers wives at the club, or redo the figures on their retirement payout, or stand in the chow line, they would always come up with "safety " regulations for motorcycles on base. These same chowder heads that couldn't handle a Vespa with a clean air cleaner would pass out rules about safe handling tips on a 700 lb hunk of burning metal. The orange mesh safety vest was always a good pick, The morons that have to stay withing the lines (They always draw a line around the base to let the degenerates know when they have crossed it and are now headed to that complicated '"Civilian" world.) They often would end up confused and sometimes could be found sleeping on the runway, as what happend to the first Gulf War casulty from Offutt AFB. THis "hero" was sleeping on the runway when a truck ran him over. Only pity is he didn't back up and take out the rest of his buddies. But I digress, now since the lame brains couldn't see a bike with the headlight always on, and the noise of a harley cranked up still wouldn't register any brain wave activity, the next step is to spot the 1/16 inch thick safety vest. They wouldn't let me on base unless I had "proper" shoes. Not boots or ankle high Nike's, no only baser defined proper shoes. The slippery like snot, dress fake chlorform always shine, keep this end up shoes that the basers where every day 'cause they have to be told how to dress. Never figured that out from Mom, need the "master" seargent to tell them how to dress, as well as other bodily functions. Wonder why the Navy didn't ask me back? Paully, get Bryce from Seattle to tell you about riding there. He was on this list and helped me get the Metlzer tires for my PC. Bruce - I'm sorry I thought you wanted Military Intelegence, - check with the contractor - they do all the heavy lifting and thinking for the Military - it's just safer that way. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 23:54:19 -0500 From: Claude Hill To: David_Freedman@inc.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: ST1100 vs PC OK, I got the same question from you and list member Jan A deRoos so here goes..... I bought my 1989 Pearl White PC800 which was the first one in Tennessee as Sloan's Honda's dealer demo in 1992 with about 8,000 miles on it. Over the next two years I ran the odometer up to 26,000 miles. I still think it is the most convienent and comfortable bike ever made. Only a Gold Wing is more comfortable and carries more but at a very significant size, weight and handling premium. My friend Don Woerner in Hendersonville, TN is still riding my old PC800 every day. I am 6'5" tall, 305 lbs and at 52 years of age I have been riding powered two wheelers since I was 11 (Vespa & Lambretta scooters followed by a used 1951 Triumph 6T Thunderbird, a new 1962 Bonneville and too many Hondas to recount here). Again, I bought my 1992 ST1100 non-ABS used with 800 miles on it in March of 1995. I will pass 30,000 miles this weekend if I get to ride. My two complaints with the PC800 which I do not have with the ST1100 are: 1. Fuel tank capacity which limits range and wastes riding or sightseeing time stoping for gas. The ST1100 holds 7.4 US gallons and gets about 42 mpg vs 45 mpg for me on the PC800. 2. Passing and other wise applications of power and accelleration. Two or three times on the PC800 I was hanging out there in the left lane trying to get around a semi or some kind of land yacht and with the throttle wide ass open I was confronted with a very real need for more power to get the job done in a hurry. In this situation the PC800 just doesn't have it for a rider my size. The ST1100 is an absolute F-14 with a very real afterburner above 4,000 RPM. The 98.6 BHP applied in fourth gear will put me past even a 60 foot long big rig in no time. In close situations dropping down into third and rolling it on causes the bike to accelerate from 50 to 80 in 3-4 seconds. I spend most of my time out there on 2 lane US Highways, NOT Interstates and I do a LOT of high speed passing due to the fact that I don't like anything in front of me blocking my view of the scenery and the road. I am crazy about the candy red color of my ST but the 1992 PC800s had the same color. The hard bags come off the ST but I was happy pulling the nylon bag liners out of the PC's trunk. I put +6" windshields on both bikes and Corbin seats. With the Corbins, both are equally comfortable although the PC's stock seat with a lambskin pad was lots more comfortable than the ST's stock seat with the lambskin primarily due to its width and shape. Tire wear is similar except for the fact that I seem to wear out the rears on the ST in 5-6,000 miles and got 9,000 on the PC. Both bikes get 10-12,000 miles on the front tire. The ST will do a wheelie if goosed into it and I am told it will do a roll on wheelie in second if you put on the TBR mufflers and optimize the jetting. This is not important to me and the TBR slip ons are two loud for a 12 hour/600 mile days ride. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the ST has a real sweet spot. 4200 RPM = 85 MPH indicated. The PC's sweet spot is 8-10 MPH slower. Jan stated that he thought a $7-9,000 price differential was too much for "a relatively small increment in performance". I can assure you there is more than a small increment! I bought my ST for $7,000 and I have spent another $1,000 in accessories, etc. I sold my tricked our PC800 to a close friend for $3,900. That not too big a differntial. Show room new bikes I do not buy. If you have any other specific questions, please feel free to ask... Claude Hill AMA AHRMA BMWMOA HRCA HSTA (I think that's it...) '92 ST1100 The Sobe GhoST '76 Triumph T140V The Hedgerow HOG Nashville, TN David_Freedman@inc.com wrote: > > Claude: Curious to know how the ST1100 compares to the PC in comfort, > performance, whatever. > > -- Dave > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: PC800 Parts for Sale > Author: Claude Hill at Internet > Date: 8/1/96 6:57 PM > > from my '89 PC, > > Stock windshield $70 > > Stock two piece seat $125 > > Sold my PC to by the ST1100. Have these items left over. > > Plus UPS & COD from Nashville, TN > > Claude Hill > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 02 Aug 1996 02:46:19 -0400 (EDT) pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 02 Aug 1996 02:45:53 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 00:43:45 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Keith W Rogers wrote: > > Which southern state? Maybe we could stage a relay with each member > riding a few hundred miles or so. > I dibs CO, MT, ID :-) MT-in-MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Aug 96 06:57:38 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: "\"Gregg L. DesElms\"" Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions Pauly I vote for a two piece Aerostitch suit. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:56:26 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases JT, I think you're great Man..... now give me your Bud Light... : ) But seriously, while you may go on a bit long for some, I certainly enjoy reading your missive's. You frame your ideas well and you obviously think about what you are writing. I think that a break from the standard (and worthwhile...... "Is oil A actually better than oil B? What's a stator?" ) questions are refreshing and are in large part the kind of thing that makes the WWW really cool. Thanks for your contributions. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:04:47 -0400 To: perfcomp@isdn.net, David_Freedman@inc.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: ST1100 vs PC Hi Claude, You're a BIG guy. And thanks for answering all the questions many were afraid to ask. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:58:12 -0400 To: rogersk@eden.com, Pauly@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need advice: how to move a bike x-country This bike relay idea is great. Pauly, use the Map web page, to find people along a line between the bike and you and put it together. I'll help. I'm in the Chicago area. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:05:36 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Shoei RF 700 Noticed that there have been lots of kudos about the RF 700. I bought one myself and like it a great deal. I would caution everyone to make sure you try various helmets on to see which one fits your particular melon. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) head sizes and shapes vary a great deal. Make sure it fits before you buy it. OBTW if anyone is comparing prices, the best deal on an RF 700 that I found was through Motorcycle Accessory 925 E. Fillmore Colorado Springs, CO 80907 Phone number 1-800-241-2222 I bought my helmet on May lst so don't know if prices have changed or not. Perhaps others have found a better price elsewhere too. I am not promoting buying from this company and am only passing on the information. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:04:49 -0400 To: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: pc800 Military/ Pauly WOW, Reading this I felt like I was in a poetry slam...... In a message dated 96-08-02 06:10:29 EDT, SUZIMODLIN@aol.com writes: << I spent too much of my life on military bases, both in the USN during the war years, and no to you young punks not WWII, but that Oliver Stone movie making, Rush Limbaugh draft dodging Vietnam war. I also worked for some 15 years as a hated civilian contractor. During all this time and over many different locations the end result was always the same. When these "Couldn't cut it as a Kmart manager" military brass chumps had nothing else to do, like chase fellow officers wives at the club, or redo the figures on their retirement payout, or stand in the chow line, they would always come up with "safety " regulations for motorcycles on base. These same chowder heads that couldn't handle a Vespa with a clean air cleaner would pass out rules about safe handling tips on a 700 lb hunk of burning metal. The orange mesh safety vest was always a good pick, The morons that have to stay withing the lines (They always draw a line around the base to let the degenerates know when they have crossed it and are now headed to that complicated '"Civilian" world.) They often would end up confused and sometimes could be found sleeping on the runway, as what happend to the first Gulf War casulty from Offutt AFB. THis "hero" was sleeping on the runway when a truck ran him over. Only pity is he didn't back up and take out the rest of his buddies. But I digress, now since the lame brains couldn't see a bike with the headlight always on, and the noise of a harley cranked up still wouldn't register any brain wave activity, the next step is to spot the 1/16 inch thick safety vest. They wouldn't let me on base unless I had "proper" shoes. Not boots or ankle high Nike's, no only baser defined proper shoes. The slippery like snot, dress fake chlorform always shine, keep this end up shoes that the basers where every day 'cause they have to be told how to dress. Never figured that out from Mom, need the "master" seargent to tell them how to dress, as well as other bodily functions. Wonder why the Navy didn't ask me back? Paully, get Bryce from Seattle to tell you about riding there. He was on this list and helped me get the Metlzer tires for my PC. Bruce - I'm sorry I thought you wanted Military Intelegence, - check with the contractor - they do all the heavy lifting and thinking for the Military - it's just safer that way. >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:10:11 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gear recommendations >Don't even bother shopping around. Just find the lowest price on an >RF700 you can and then buy it. Look no further I'd recommend trying one on, don't just order one mailorder. Heads are different, and manufacturers seem to use different 'models' for their helmets. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 07:53:25 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, slgross@halcyon.com Subject: Re[2]: Clothing & Helmet questions Also, if you're not used to the cold, and it does get cold in the winter around here, get some Gerbing heated gear. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions Author: slgross@halcyon.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 8/1/96 7:22 PM Olympia makes a good medium weight glove that'll take you through most of the winter, depending on your tolerance for cold. Layering ability is the rule. If you're not going for an Aerostitch-type suit, get a good, easy to put on rain suit. Aqua Seal is great for gloves and boots. Helmets according to shape of head. Try 'em all one and see what fits best. If you opt for a full face helmet, get a HALO reflective band. Its scotchlite, goes around the bottom of the helmet, and makes you visible from a long way off in the dark. Lots of us here on the list ride year-round. when Bryce comes back from the Olympics, get him to tell you about riding uphill in the snow last winter. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases On Thu, 1 Aug 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > > I was merely trying to explain the rationale behind the MSF's riding gear > recommendation (particularly with respect to objection centered on the > abrasion protection afforted by light-weight shirts, pants, gloves, etc). It > was not my intent to imply that I sanction their being a part of the > military's safety regulations. Hi John, What a well presented position. Remind me never to tangle with you when it comes to wordsmithing. Obviously, I did take your post as an endorsement of the Government's right to decide what was best for me. I have resented the requirements for years, and I guess you became symbolic of the responsible people/bureaus. > There are two separate issues here, one political and one related to the safe > and enjoyable operation of motorcycles. There are NOT the same. > > Politically, I believe that all of these decisions should be left to the > individual when the only one affected is that individual. That is, I believe > that it should not be the responsibility or function of government to protect > mentally competent adults from themselves. Only when there is a direct > impact on someone else's safety or rights (for example, the requirement for > effective eye protection), should there be a law/regulation prescribing the > use of riding gear. Otherwise, I believe that the individual should be > allowed to choose what gear to wear and when and where to wear it. Exactly! > Nonetheless, I also know that govenment, company management, and even clubs > and organizations can and do make rules which I may deem unwarranted but > which they have an established right to make. It's the limits of this "established right" that I take issue with. I do not believe that it should be unlimited. > Since I enjoyed a 26+ year career in the military before retiring, I am fully > aware of and respect the legitimate concerns the military has with respect to > protecting its investment in its people (civilian and military). And those > concerns go beyond the simple "replacement-cost" issues (which are truly > significant) to the need to provide long-term health care to those who when > young or who simply don't know any better insist on ignoring the risks of > certain apparently harmless behaviors and turn up with all-to-predictable > medical problems in their later years. We all wind up paying that bill. Although I agree in principle with the above, herein I think lies the danger of an Orwellian society if taken to a seemingly logical conclusion. SOME individual freedoms must be sacrificed for everyone's, i.e., "society" benefit, but when the group *always* comes first, we are all lessened. It's a balancing act, and we each have our idea of where that balancing point should be. > It's your neck (and skin); you should be allowed to treat it any way > that makes sense to you, provided that you don't expect anyone else to help > you pay for if it turns out badly for you. Agreed. > I hope that this puts a cap on the flames for now. I don't know how much the > others on the list want to hear about all of this. I believe that these are > important issues that need open, frank discussion, but this may not be the > place for it. What do the rest of you think? > > Take care, all. > > JT I too, would like to know what the others think about the appropriateness of this type of discussion on this list. If inappropriate, I'll keep it private in the future. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases I originally took the discussion about Military policies private w/ Richard because I was afraid to side track too much away from PC specific topics. But this discussion affirms my believe that PC riders are a great bunch of people! As for me, I really don't mind discussion of this nature, though a little off the main PC focus, as long as courtesy is maintained at all times and the goal is to understand all viewpoints. I think that's one of the basic netiquettes but I've seen it thrown out the door on many other lists and newsgroups. ========================================================================= *** * * = = = Johan Lai (jlai@filenet.com) * * ** == = == === CCF Network/Systems Admin *** * * **** = === ==== = Engineering Services * * * * = == = = FileNet Corportation * * * ** = = == == 3565 Harbor Blvd, Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." PGP Fingerprint 4B 2D 91 5A 62 3E 96 36 93 9E 03 A4 10 A2 B9 F5 ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Bob Rufener Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Bob Rufener wrote: > > OBTW if anyone is comparing prices, the best deal on an RF 700 that I found > was through Motorcycle Accessory > 925 E. Fillmore > Colorado Springs, CO > 80907 > > Phone number 1-800-241-2222 > > I bought my helmet on May lst so don't know if prices have changed or not. What did you pay? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:39:05 -0800 AKMAIL1.Alaska To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Shoei RF 700 Date: 02 Aug 96 08:32:18 KDT I purchased my Shoei at the CycleWorld motorcycle show here in Seattle and I only paid $180.00 which, in my opinion, was a steal! (This was the year before last.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:39:33 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Military bases & such... >I too, would like to know what the others think about the appropriateness >of this type of discussion on this list. If inappropriate, I'll keep it >private in the future. Looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest with my inquiry about others who have to ride on military bases. I think such discussions are good, as long as (as has been said) they remain polite. The talk on this forum has been about the most intelligent I've heard about such issues. The main point is that there is no black and white, that there is a fuzzy line where the good of society outweighs the rights of an individual. I feel the military has gone too far with their "safety" rules, especially with regards to us civilians. (I don't even work for the military). They have an "established right" to pass such rules only bacause they have given themselves those "rights". In other respects, I think our society is neglecting the public good is serious ways-- mostly with regards to environmental matters. One thing about the base rules is their discriminatory nature; they penalize the victims, so to speak. How many times have you seen some bozo weaving down the road with a cell phone in his ear, 3/4ths of his brain busy cutting a deal while the rest barely keeps the car between the lines? We have to wear vests because of people like this? Why not attack the real problem? Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:43:44 PST Subject: AM/FM Antenna From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) Does anyone have information on where a person can purchase a AM/FM antenna for the PC800. The only thing found in this area is the car-truck antenna with the big base, and a hole has to be drilled, in which I don't want any holes in my PC800. Even a license plate mount would be okay. Thanks for any information. e-mail kforeman@juno.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:30:39 -0700 (MST) To: "Wanda Bailie" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu, slgross@halcyon.com From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Clothing & Helmet questions At 07:53 8/2/96 PST, Wanda Bailie wrote: > Also, if you're not used to the cold, and it does get cold in the > winter around here, get some Gerbing heated gear. > > Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 > > Very, very true (though Gerbing is just one brand to consider). Remember, no matter how well you 'bundle-up' -- even if you're in a snowmobile suite -- the laws of physics kick in when you least expect it. Your body simply can't replace heat faster than a 60 mph 40-degree wind can strip it away. Electronic help is crucial under circumstances like that. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 10:25:51 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: AM/FM Antenna About radio antenna, J & M has one, however a better on can be bought from M-R Communications in Marysville, WA if you live in the Northwest. He would probable ship if not. His name is Mark Reis and his phone number is (206) 335-1296. He installed a C.B. in my PC and it's great. I tried the J & M and wasn't able to get the noise filtered out, although I tried all 5 of the different filters they recommended. Mark used a different CB, mounted it in my trunk and tried 7 different filters before he was finished. I am real happy with it's clarity and so is my husband listening to it. He specializes in CB, Intercoms and Radios for motorcycles. Wanda Bailie PC 800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: AM/FM Antenna Author: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 8/2/96 10:03 AM Does anyone have information on where a person can purchase a AM/FM antenna for the PC800. The only thing found in this area is the car-truck antenna with the big base, and a hole has to be drilled, in which I don't want any holes in my PC800. Even a license plate mount would be okay. Thanks for any information. e-mail kforeman@juno.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 02 Aug 1996 12:32:42 -0500 (CDT) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA14845 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:27:40 -0700 (MST) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA00822 for ; Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 10:27:01 -0700 (MST) From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Gear recommendations To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 08:10 8/2/96 -0600, 9312 wrote: >>Gregg DesElms wrote: >>Don't even bother shopping around. Just find the lowest price on an >>RF700 you can and then buy it. Look no further > >I'd recommend trying one on, don't just order one mailorder. Heads >are different, and manufacturers seem to use different 'models' for >their helmets. > >Bob C. Sorry for not be sufficiently specific. I presumed that trying one on would be part of finding one. Though it's not a particularly nice thing to do to a dealer, one can always go in to a dealer and figure out which is the right size and then order from a catalog or magazine. Personally, I try to give the business to whomever is most helpful and deserves it -- assuming they can be at least reasonably price competitive. I like instant gratification, so it's often worth it to pay $20 or so more for something to avoid having to wait for it to come in the mail. I saw better prices in magazines, but I ended-up buying two pearl whites with extra face shields from the dealer for $440, even though I know could have done better in a magazine. I was able to walk out with them on the spot and use them that evening. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:02:41 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 > > >On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Bob Rufener wrote: > >> >> OBTW if anyone is comparing prices, the best deal on an RF 700 that I found >> was through Motorcycle Accessory >> 925 E. Fillmore >> Colorado Springs, CO >> 80907 >> >> Phone number 1-800-241-2222 >> >> I bought my helmet on May lst so don't know if prices have changed or not. > >What did you pay? Sorry about the omission of the price. Brain must have gone asleep for a bit. I paid 177.95 for the helmet plus S&H. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Aug 96 19:47:29 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Military Bases Wheew! Sure glad I was off the air for a couple of days and didn't get into the middle of this one! Wow, guys............. I probably would have jumped right in there without thinking and really gotten things going! I'm an active duty military PC rider, live and ride on the base, AND am their primary MSF instructor for the manditory classes. Do I like their rules and regs? No! Do I wear all my safety gear all the time? Yes! They just did away w/ the need for the "dork" vest during the day here if you have bright colored clothing on. I had convinced the Safety Office that my Aerostich w/ red ballistics and all of the reflective tape was a good substitute for the vest, anyway! This place even use to go so far as to limit all two wheeled traffic before and after certain dates. Those of us in the military do give up the rights we, supposedly, fight to protect. Not much to say about it. You may not realize this fact when you first join up, but by the time your first chance for reenlistment comes up you KNOW what the score is. "Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances." The reasons for staying and making it a career vary. They get less compelling as the years go by. For ninteen years now I've known that if I want to ride a motorcycle, go for a walk, talk to another individual, or do just about anything else, I have to do it by their rules. No use complaining, I'm a big boy, I made my choices. I've got about 15 months left, I guess I'll just live with it for that long and walk away with their little retirement, my college degree, and twenty years worth of experience. Could be worse, I guess. I could have to save up my welfare checks to make bike payments. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Fri Aug 2 19:09:31 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 19:59:55 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: pc800 Military/ Pauly Content-Id: <17_64_1_839030395> SUZIMODLIN wrote: >Bruce - I'm sorry I thought you wanted Military Intelegence, - >check with the contractor - they do all the heavy lifting and thinking for >the Military - it's just safer that way. Wow! If the contractors are the ones with the Intelegence, I'm really worried about the military! --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 21:48:14 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: creeking sound..... Hi all, Has anyone ever experienced a slight creaking or popping sound while pushing their PC without the engine running? It's not very loud, so it has to be pretty quiet to hear it. At first, I thought maybe it was just the body work squeaking when I turned the handlebars, but it does it straight-line, also. Checked the front wheel for bearing noise, but it turns ok. It may be nothing, but was just curious if anyone else had noticed it. Enjoy reading the archives and mail. Thanks. Jim Mangum Houston, TX. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:28:05 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: choke My choke seems to be hard to pull up. Has anyone had any experiences lubricating the choke cable? If so, what do you recommend using for a lubricant and is there any specific procedure to follow? Thanks Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 22:34:16 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creeking sound..... DORMAN wrote: > > Has anyone ever experienced a slight creaking or popping sound while > pushing their PC without the engine running? Yes. And it's not the PC. It's me! Bwah-Ha-Ha! -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:39:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: PC800 Parts for Sale From: Rick Fisher To: "Claude Hill" , "PC800 messages" >Sold my PC to by the ST1100. Have these items left over. Traitor! Your outa here! Sincere regards Rick Fisher fisher@HiWAAY.net Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SXi Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat $$$$$$$$$$ >>(FOR SALE) 1985 & 1986 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) << $$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 21:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: DORMAN Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creeking sound..... Hear it all the time, but its not the PC, it's ME! Is pushing PCs the latest in exercise? Maybe my fitness club will buy some for us to push around. On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, DORMAN wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone ever experienced a slight creaking or popping sound while > pushing their PC without the engine running? It's not very loud, so it > has to be pretty quiet to hear it. At first, I thought maybe it was just > the body work squeaking when I turned the handlebars, but it does it > straight-line, also. Checked the front wheel for bearing noise, but it > turns ok. It may be nothing, but was just curious if anyone else had > noticed it. Enjoy reading the archives and mail. Thanks. > > Jim Mangum > Houston, TX. > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:27:39 -0700 (MST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: PC 800 for sale in Illinois I was driving east on 147th street near South Holland, Illinois this evening and I spotted a red PC out near the street in a K-Mart parking lot with a FOR SALE sign on the dash. Hmmm. Red. Let's see... I've got the white '89, and I know it's not a 90. Obviously you guys know... which other year(s) were also red... was it '94 also? It doesn't say on the FOR SALE sign so I'm guessing, but it's the red with the dark gray metallic trim. At any rate, it's in pretty darn good shape. No scratches. Recently waxed. No apparent paint fade. Seats in good shape. Stock windshield. Kenwood stereo with dash mounted speakers and controls on the left handlebar. Dash mounted speakers. The way the antenna is mounted seems a little weird, but that's easy to change. He's got a couple of religious decals on it, but those will come off with a hair dryer. Everything else about it seems terrific! It said 15,681 on the odometer. The FOR SALE sign says he wants $5,000 for it (didn't say whether that was firm or not). The phone number on the sign is (708) 849-5082. The sign also said to ask for Mr. Thomas. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@primenet.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html <<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:47:13 -0400 (EDT) To: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 >Sorry about the omission of the price. Brain must have gone asleep for a >bit. I paid 177.95 for the helmet plus S&H. I ordered my RF700 last week from Motorcycle Accessory's last week and even though the price on their web page is 177.95 they said the price is 189.95. (Which I paid because the price at the local bike shop was 259.95) Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 16:57:08 -0500 From: DORMAN To: rnielsen@isd.net CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: creaking sound....... To Ray, Thanks for your response to my creaking problem. I went out and put the bike on the center stand, put my head sideways to the bike, so one ear was facing front, and the other towards the rear, and listened while I turned the back wheel. The sound was definitely coming from the rear wheel, and not at the front of the driveshaft connected to the engine. I was wondering if the person who replaced the rear tire could have over-torqued the large screw on the wheel shaft? I tried to loosen it with a large crescent wrench, and I could't budge it. With only 11,000 and some miles on it, I would hate to think it was the rear wheel bearings. Thanks in advance if you have any more news for me. Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 18:27:28 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: Bob Rufener , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > > >Sorry about the omission of the price. Brain must have gone asleep for a > >bit. I paid 177.95 for the helmet plus S&H. > > I ordered my RF700 last week from Motorcycle Accessory's last week and even > though the price on their web page is 177.95 they said the price is 189.95. > (Which I paid because the price at the local bike shop was 259.95) > > Waldo > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. What model is that? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:19:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: The Rifle Wind Screen I put a 22 inch Rifle Wind Screen on my 1994 P.C. this Saturday. Saturday evening I took a 150 mile round trip, from Overland Park, Kansas to St. Joseph, Missouri, to test the screen. I am just under 6 feet, and if I sit up and hold my head erect, I can look just over the Rifle. When I go up a hill I am looking through the screen and riding down a hill I am, depending upon the grade, I am looking four to five inches above the shield. This position is a little bit of a strain from my normal slouch, so I may eventually cut a inch from the screen or trade for the 20 inch version. The finish of the Rifle is not quite as good as Honda's original equipment, but it is far from unacceptable. During this trip the biggest difference I noticed is that ear plugs are no longer a requirement for highway driving. I can actually hear the engine at 75 m.p.h. . (The P.C. has one hell of a smooth power plant if you listen. It sounds more like an electric motor than a gasoline engine.) A full face helmet is no longer necessary to keep your eyeballs in your head. In fact, I rode with the face mask wide open most of the way. I rode a series of two lane highways up to St. Joseph and took Interstate 29 on the return trip. It may be my imagination, but the bike seems to less subject to cross winds and the turbulence caused by large vehicles with the Rifle than without the Rifle. This may be because you are more protected and you don't feel the contours of the wind wrapping around your body. On the return trip I had difficulty maintaining my normal 75 m.p.h. cruise (5000 r.p.m.) without the constant reminder of the wind. The P.C. kept drifting up to speeds that before the Rifle would of been uncomfortable. (A couple of times I found myself straying above 90 m.p.h., heading toward the century mark. It is a little scarcely to look down at your speedometer and find your are cruising a just below 100 miles per hour.) To maintain any semblance to the posted 70 m.p.h. speed limit I had to make an effort to constantly refer to the speedometer. This is a primary impression and I don't know about how the screen will affect my gas mileage, what riding double will be like or how the Rifle will perform in the rain. But, I will keep you posted. A Pacific Coast with a Rifle is a different motorcycle. It extends the motorcycle from a machine more happy on the two lanes to a true interstate highway, coast to coast, cruiser. Anyone doing serious touring should consider the Rifle. Their bodies' will thank them for it at the end of the day. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:57:07 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creaking sound....... Hi Jim: My '89 had a "funny sound" coming from the back when it had about 8000 miles on it. It turned out to be dry driveshaft splines. They were lubed, and the noise went away. This might be the source of your noise. Have the dealer check it out. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 03:00:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, Juniper222@aol.com, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, WOODS@wpoffice.whitman.edu, grw@acm.org, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 11-14) The StealthMobile sat alone and forlorn on Days Eleven and Twelve as I explored the sights and sounds of the city of Lost Beggars. The convention that Trevor and I were attending occupied the majority of my time, but it was hard to ignore the attractions that made Las Vegas a primetime destination for most people. The concept of No Clocks--No Windows keeps The Strip cranking at full speed around the clock, so we found opportunities to indulge in some of the less prurient activities to be found in Sin City. Trevor had turned 21 only 2 weeks prior to our trip, so he was having a ball. My latent conservatism kept me away from the tables, so I attacked the slots with vigor. The nickel slots are glorious fun, for $5 can provide a lot of pleasure. Flushed with success, I moved up to the quarter slots. Big Mistake. The next time I visit Nevada, I'm going to walk into the nearest casino, go straight to the nearest Change Cage, hand the attendant $50, and walk out. It just seems more prudent than losing it a quarter at a time. Days Eleven and Twelve: Zero Miles. It was hot and windy the entire weekend that I was in Las Vegas, but Day Thirteen dawned cooler and quiet. I was glad to be on the road again. I enjoyed the breaks that I had taken during my trip, but I was once again doing what I loved. I settled into an easy rhythm on northbound I-15, for I was finally homeward bound after almost two weeks of self-indulgence. I knew that it was going to be Interbore all the way, which in some ways I didn't mind. I was going to be at my brother Steve's place in Ogden, Utah, at the end of the day, and Day Fourteen would be taking me westward towards Oregon. The previous two weeks had been pure indulgence, as I had total control over my destiny and could pick any route that I wanted to get there. I knew that I had a lot of work waiting for me when I got home, and even though I'm self-employed, control over my own destiny was not total. So it was probably prophetic that the final two days of my trip would have far more structure around them. Back To Reality. Traffic was light as I re-traced my steps back through the tiny corner of Arizona and on into Utah. This time I did not tempt Fate, as I had re-fueled prior to my departure. The ride was uneventful, and as I flashed past byways leading back to various attractions I had a difficult time keeping the StealthMobile pointed straight and true. Utah is a beautiful state, and has within its boundaries some of the most unique attractions in the USA. I had been to Bryce Canyon a few years before, and my brother and I had done some fly fishing on a tiny creek in a beautiful little canyon a few miles northeast of Bryce. Steve is an avid fisherman and ties his own flies; I hadn't fished in years. We had learned to fish together back in the late 50's when we were growing up in Rapid City; he had turned it into a serious avocation and I had drifted into other pursuits. But as we fished that day, all of those years melted away and once again we were doing something that we had shared in a previous life. It felt really good. I was very tempted to throw convention to the winds and retrace my steps back to Bryce, but then I knew that Capitol Reef National Park would beckon next. After Capitol Reef, Canyonland National Park would be just over the horizon, and all of my good intentions about getting home go a-glimmering. I'm good at that. So I stashed all of those plans for another day and continued up I-15. Salt Lake City and its 30-mile-long traffic jam jolted me back to reality; my memory served me well and I found a back way to Ogden and Steve's house. I had a very enjoyable evening with Steve and Chris; I hadn't seen them for two years so we had a nice reunion. Day Thirteen: 459 miles. I was on the road early. My intention was to get as far as Pendleton, OR, by nightfall, and that's a long day. In August of 1994 I had ridden to the Black Hills the week after The Sturgis Gather with my two sons. Father-son bonding and all that stuff. We had a great time, and Trevor on his Honda Shadow could ride as far as I could. But a 500-mile day turned Todd into a pretzel on his EX500. I really felt sorry for him after a long day; he could barely move. So we had stopped in Pendleton. It was 540 miles and seemed like a good destination for me on Day Fourteen. I cleared Ogden's traffic fairly quickly and headed north on I-15. The ride to the Idaho border starts out with the Cache National Forest towering to the east and the northern end of the Great Salt Lake stretching to the west, and it quickly angles northwest. This is a very desolate stretch of highway that climbs and weaves its way through the foothills of the Sawtooth National Forest. Its long straight stretches and sweeping curves became far too tempting for me, and I slowly increased my speed until I was cranking along at 90-95 mph. About 55 miles north of the Idaho border I swung onto westbound I-84, and the traffic was heavier. This is an interesting stretch of highway. A lot of people think that its boring, but I find it to be exhilarating. The road runs through the Snake River Plain, and the mountains of central Idaho are usually visible to the north. From Jerome hwy 75 heads straight into Sun Valley and Ketchum, a gorgeous valley where Ernest Hemingway left his mark on American literature at the cabin he lived and died in. I-84 crosses and re-crosses the Snake River many times, and historic sites like Glenns Ferry are visible from the road. Traffic was moving fast and afforded me the ability to keep my speed up pretty high through Idaho. Just outside of Boise I came steaming around a convoy of trucks and right up behind a Highway Patrol cruiser. He knew what I was doing, so he stayed in front of me until about 10 miles past Boise. When he pulled off, he went up the offramp and came back down the other side--but I knew what he was doing too, so I played Mr. Good Boy until he finally finally turned around. Ah, the games people play... When I had left Oregon almost two weeks ago it was cold and rainy. For the past 12 days I had been riding in hot, dry weather pretty much everywhere I had gone. Then, about 10 miles east of the Orygun border, what happens? You guessed it....rain! The clouds had been piling up to the west of me for about the past 4 hours, and I finally rode under them. I crossed into Oregon at Ontario and stopped for lunch. By the time I finished, the rain which had been spitting down for the last 20 miles in Idaho had turned into a steady downpour. I was home. I've traveled through 44 states and two foreign countries and I've lived in six different states. Every part of this beautiful country of ours has one or more attractions that are unique or outstanding. Nothing compares with the upper midwest and northeast as the leaves turn colors in the Fall. The bayous of Louisiana are without equal. The midwestern prairies in the Spring when everything is fresh and green are incomparable. The solitude of the high mountain valleys in northern New Mexico and Colorado leaves me breathless, and Alaska can only be seen to be believed. But I love the Northwest...and I love Oregon. Nan and I had thoughts of living in Alaska when we got married 25 years ago, but we only got as close as Portland. Oregon's got everything I need when wilderness calls, and it's all within a day's drive of Portland. The coastline where the mountains plunge into the sea, the Columbia Gorge, the high plains of the southeast, the volcanic peaks of the Cascades, and the gorgeous Willamette Valley. That's enough for me. I felt at home as I drove westward through the Blue Mountains towards Pendleton. The rain cleansed the air and the pungent smell of the pine forests assailed my nose. I got to Pendleton at 3 pm and realized that it would be ridiculous to stop for the day when I was only 210 miles from home. The rain let up a bit as I rode towards Boardman and my first contact with the Columbia River. The ride from Boardman to The Dalles is on the "dry side" of the Cascades, which receives less than 20" of rain a year. The lack of precipitation leaves the hills bordering the Columbia along this stretch of the river barren and brown, with occasional volcanic cliffs breaking the monotony. The Columbia starts carving a canyon out of the eastern plains of Oregon and Washington at Arlington, and the walls get higher on each side. The Columbia River Gorge is the only major east-west break in the Cascade chain of mountains, which allows for an almost constant flow of air from the Pacific Ocean to the plains east of the Cascades. This wind, which whips the surface of the Columbia River into white-capped waves from Hood River to The Dalles, is the reason why this area has become one of the premier wind surfing areas in the world. Just west of Hood River the Gorge turns into a scenic wonderland. The high granite cliffs, covered with a thick mantle of green forests, look down upon the Columbia, which is wide and deep. This stretch of the Gorge, with Multnomah Falls as its prime attraction along with dozens of other waterfalls, was recently designated a National Scenic Area. I had no time to stop at the many beckoning attractions, however, as the rain had begun to fall in earnest and I had to give the road my full attention. I got home at 6 pm, fourteen days and 4400 miles after I had headed south on I-5. I was tired; it felt good to be home. Day Fourteen: 755 miles. I realize that I hadn't done anything special: Many others have ridden further and seen more. But my trip was truly Motorcycle Therapy to me, as I had proven that I could survive nine months of massive infections and surgeries, cheat death, and could still do something that I truly loved. This trip was a cathartic act which had verged on masochism at times as I pushed my physical and mental limits to see if they were the same or if God had re-forged new limitations for me. I did find that they were the same; I was thrilled to discover that I enjoyed the contest more than ever. I had also proven to myself once again that this country has within its boundaries some of the most beautiful real estate on this earth, as I had viewed places that I had either never seen before or had not visited in decades. I also re-affirmed the wisdom of purchasing my PC800, as the StealthMobile had gone from the mountaintops to the deserts, from the Interstates to dual-sport roads, hour after hour and day after day without a single whimper of complaint. I had averaged 400 miles/day for the 11 days that I was actually riding, and had averaged 43.2 mpg for the 4400 miles. (Actually I had averaged 46.7 mpg until the last two days--high speed blows gas mileage big-time!). The total lack of trouble with the PC re-affirmed the fact that with a reliable machine, the emphasis is taken off the motorcycle and put on motorcycling...where it belongs. In short, I had a ball. And I also enjoyed sharing my Motorcycle Therapy with you. I hope you enjoyed it too. Thanks for listening, Tim Macy Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:07:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 10:04:21 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 11-14) Tim, thanks for sharing your trip with us. I could use a little therapy right now... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:27:23 -0700 (MST) To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Re: The Rifle Wind Screen At 08:19 8/4/96 -0400, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >I put a 22 inch Rifle Wind Screen on my 1994 P.C. this Saturday. Saturday >evening I took a 150 mile round trip, from Overland Park, Kansas to St. >Joseph, Missouri, to test the screen. I am just under 6 feet, and if I -------------------------- snip ------------------------------------------ >make an effort to constantly refer to the speedometer. > >This is a primary impression and I don't know about how the screen will >affect my gas mileage, what riding double will be like or how the Rifle >will perform in the rain. But, I will keep you posted. A Pacific Coast >with a Rifle is a different motorcycle. It extends the motorcycle from a >machine more happy on the two lanes to a true interstate highway, coast >to coast, cruiser. Anyone doing serious touring should consider the >Rifle. Their bodies' will thank them for it at the end of the day. > Bernie: My sentiments exactly. I've had the Rifle on my '89 since six months after I got it -- probably longer than most on this list. I've got the smoked. Can't remember if I got the 20" or the 22" but my goal was to look over it for 90% or more of my riding. I'm 6' 1+" and I do, indeed, look over it, as planned. I tried the '90 stock shield and then the Hondaline oversized and there's NO COMPARISON. The Rifle is superior in absolutely every way. Period. The base unit on mine is black. I think it looks okay, but I've heard there's a color-matched base available now. If so, does anyone out there have one? And does "color matched" mean that it matches the pearl-white or the dashboard gray? Finally, if anyone has it, how does it look? Do you like it overall and is it worth, in your opinion, dumping the black in order to get the color-matched base? Just curious. (Of course, if I would just pick up the phone and call Rifle I could find out these things, but this is more fun.) Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:33:11 -0700 (MST) To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: creaking sound....... At 08:57 8/4/96 -0400, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: >Hi Jim: > >My '89 had a "funny sound" coming from the back when it had about 8000 miles >on it. It turned out to be dry driveshaft splines. They were lubed, and the >noise went away. This might be the source of your noise. Have the dealer >check it out. > >JT > Whoa, wait a minute... I'm confused (a sometimes natural state, for me, it pains me to admit). Pardon me for not knowing more about the mechanics of my bike, but I thought the drive shaft was a completely sealed assembly, lubricated by engine oil at the front and a heavy transaxle fluid at the rear (at least I thought that's the way my VF750S is, and I presumed my PC800 to be the same). If so, how would the driveshaft splines get dry (unless, of course, one allowed the rear transaxle fluid to get too low -- or is that what you're talking about)? Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:06:35 -0500 (CDT) Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:05:16 -0400 (EDT) To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 >> I ordered my RF700 last week from Motorcycle Accessory's last week and even >> though the price on their web page is 177.95 they said the price is 189.95. >> (Which I paid because the price at the local bike shop was 259.95) >> >> Waldo >What model is that? > Roger, it is the Shoei RF700 Elite in white. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 21:46:37 -0500 From: DORMAN To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: lubing driveshaft splines.... To JT, Thanks for the info, but are you talking about the splines in the rear wheel assembly housing, or the drive shaft splines going to the rear of the engine? I looked at the service manual (and of course it looks very involved) and it shows splines at both ends of the drive shaft, and then splines on the rear wheel that fit into the final drive assembly housing. Oh, well, I either need to do it myself, or let Honda do it. Thanks again for the input. Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 22:41:01 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: roger@dg-webo, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > > >> I ordered my RF700 last week from Motorcycle Accessory's last week and even > >> though the price on their web page is 177.95 they said the price is 189.95. > >> (Which I paid because the price at the local bike shop was 259.95) > >> > >> Waldo > > >What model is that? > > > > Roger, > > it is the Shoei RF700 Elite in white. > > Waldo > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. We paid, at Brockton Cycles (see Cycle World ad), $219 for a Spark TC-3 a few months ago. It was a lower price because it's a 2yr old graphic. I paid $405 for a X9 Mirage TC3 but it is a 1996 model (new graphics). I would have liked to get the Spark matching my wife's but the RF700 doesn't fit me. Actually my wife had trouble with hers which didn't show up for the first 6-7 hours. It put pressure in the center of her forehead at the hairline, very painful. I compressed the EPS liner a small amount at the pressure point. We had both previously worn Shoei GRVs which was the predecessor of the X8. They both fit us fine. So it isn't only the different manufacturers but even the various models of a maker. There is no substitute for first trying it on, then taking it for a long trip in hot weather. Only then are you sure if it's the right size. Hard to get a dealer to let you do that. Enjoy your new helmet. Roger Prince pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 04 Aug 1996 20:29:08 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 20:24:39 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: I thought I 'knew' my PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was going over the clutch, throttle, and gears with my teenage son (he just turned 16) while my PC800 was on the center stand. We were spinning the rear tire a bit (and using the rear brake) to get used to feathering the clutch so the engine heated up a bit. The temperature gauge was about mid-range when we heard this fan running...??? I never knew the PC800 had a fan that ran when the engine got too hot! This is kinda like some autos that you can hear a fan running after they shut the engine off. For some reason, I never heard this fan before. When does it run? Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 21:35:24 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: trip, intercom, windscreen, etc. Took my wife on the PC for a 300-total-mile trip up from Boston into York Beach in Maine. My wife is a dyed-in-the-wool motorcyle disliker, only got her on the Kawasaki once for a 20-minute trip in 3 years. But the PC won her over, so with 2 of the kids in camp and the third with the babysitter, we took off for a long weekend. Amazed that there was really no problem packing everything we needed for 3 days into the trunk, including clothes for a semi-fancy restaurant, our running stuff, and stuff for lying around the beach. A small backpack served to hold some of the things we bought while up there. I used the Chatterbox radio intercom, and I was really pleased. I get a lot of interference around here in the suburbs, but usually I can get around it by switching between channel 1 and 2--it turns out that putting the box to intercom mode doesn't cut out the interference; it stays on channel 2, but doesn't transmit what you're saying (someone at chatterbox/hjc confirmed this). Anyway, once on the highway the interference disappeared completely, though police radar sends a hellish shreak through the system. It took me a little while to get good at fiddling with volume and squelch in different conditions, but once I did we could talk comfortably and clearly at any speed. I took the advice of someone on this list (sorry, I forget who, but thanks) and cut out small sections of my shoei's padding to insert the headphones, worked great. I was also happy with the new rifle +2. When I first installed it I felt there was a lot of side-buffeting, but since no one else on the list could second this, I chose to believe what the guy at rifle suggested: that a lot of people hallucinate new noises and effects because for the first time they're riding without windnoise blasting through their heads. Anyway, the ride was fairly comfortable, wind-wise at all speeds--we mostly cruised at around 75. Now I think I know why people recommend the Corben. My stock seats seemed great until the 2nd hour or so. i managed to find some interesting ways to stretch and contort without driving off the road, but i'm thinking better back support would make more sense. also, i'm thinking a wrist rest would help. any recommendations for the latter? my honda radio works great even at cruising speeds (a little distorted at the high volumes necessary), though my wife claimed she couldn't hear it that well. next time she rides with me i'll test out the chatterbox's ability to take a portable CD/tape-player feed (complete with voice override, they claim). when we started the trip the radio kept cutting in and out and otherwise acting pretty funky. when we stopped a while later i figured out the problem: the tight packing job in the trunk pressed a piece of luggage onto the top of the radio where the controls are located, and the buttons were being randomly pushed. at one of my first stops in York (a great beach town, by the way, neither trashy nor uppity), another PC pulled in next to me as I was pulling in; pure coincidence, he hadn't pulled over to chat, but he was happy to talk. i haven't even _seen_ another PC in the past year, so I was pretty amazed to find myself fender to fender with one. in all, a great success. i'm looking forward to the next trip, and though she isn't volunteering the sentiment, i'm pretty sure my wife is, too. -- Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:17:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I thought I 'knew' my PC800 As you said, Harrison - "when the engine gets too hot." Mine regularly starts at long stop lights. Its thermostatically controlled, just like a car. On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Harrison Spain wrote: > I was going over the clutch, throttle, and gears with my teenage son (he > just turned 16) while my PC800 was on the center stand. > > We were spinning the rear tire a bit (and using the rear brake) to get used > to feathering the clutch so the engine heated up a bit. > > The temperature gauge was about mid-range when we heard this fan running...??? > > I never knew the PC800 had a fan that ran when the engine got too hot! > This is kinda like some autos that you can hear a fan running after they > shut the engine off. > > For some reason, I never heard this fan before. When does it run? > > Harrison > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I thought I 'knew' my PC800 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Aug 1996 23:23:32 -0500 Lines: 9 >>>>> "HS" == Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> writes: HS> For some reason, I never heard this fan before. When does it run? It runs about two minutes after you start it up, if you're in Texas. Mine runs anytime I slow or stop. According to the shop manual, it's supposed to cut on when the coolant reaches 200F. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:37:54 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: lubing driveshaft splines.... Hi Jim: It was quite a while ago, but I believe that both the drive-shaft splines and the wheel-drive splines were dry and that both were lubed. But I believe it was the drive-shaft splines that were the source of the noise. That is, they lubed the wheel-drive splines, and that didn't fix the problem. Then they pulled the rear drive and found the dry shaft splines. When they lubed everything and put it all back together, the noise was gone. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:37:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creaking sound....... Hi Gregg: The transmission and the final drive are both sealed units such that their respective lubrication has nothing to do with the drive-shaft splines (unless, of course, a seal is leaking). The splines on either end of the shaft are supposed to be lubed with molydenum-disulfide grease. I don't believe that there is a specified period for checking these splines in the maintenance plan, but I suspect that checking them every couple of years would be a good idea. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:36:30 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Impending trip request Thanks for the story. In terms of the wrist rest, check the archives for Bob's BMW in Maryland. The have a stainless steel wrist rest that screws on where the bar ends weights are currently. You may need a handfull of washers to space the thing properly. I'm going to a wedding near Portland, ME on August 23-24. I'll be leaving Chicago, on the bike, on Wed. evening. Stopping in OH Wed. night (my home town). Then Thursday to Albany, NY. From Albany to Portland on Friday. Weekend in Maine then on North to Montreal, down to Toronto, Niagra Falls, back to Chicago. If anyone of you know anyone or would like to join up anywhere along the route, let me know. Also, any lodging, things to do type tips would be appreciated. I went to college at UMass Amherst so I'm familiar with the area but...... Thanks, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 17:13:55 +0200 From: Giovanni Brardinoni To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Hi from a new member Hi to all members; my name is Giovanni and I'm from Italy. This is my Email address: G.Brardinoni@agora.stm.it I'm an enthusiast owner of pearl-white '89 PC800; I bought it as soon as it was imported in Italy for the very first time (June '89). Obviously it's not a "flat" version; I've installed the following accessories: - rear spoiler (upper and lower ones); - Kenwood-Honda radio system; - trunk light; - trunk mats; - front mud guard; - CORDURA bags; - VINILE front coverage. I'll provide you a picture as soon as possible. I don't know much about the diffusion of PC800 outside Italy, but in my country, since this year, the national Honda importer, will not import that model never more (I don't understand why !!!). I've travelled for about 43.000 Km (until now I mean) all around Europe (England, Germany, France, Switzerland, Spain, Greece); if anybody is interested in, I can provide you all the necessary information for visit those countries. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:20:21 -0400 (EDT) To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Shoei RF 700 At 10:41 PM 8/4/96 -0400, you wrote: >Waldo E. Meeks wrote: >> >> >> I ordered my RF700 last week from Motorcycle Accessory's last week and even >> >> though the price on their web page is 177.95 they said the price is 189.95. >> >> (Which I paid because the price at the local bike shop was 259.95) >> >> >> >> Waldo >> >> it is the Shoei RF700 Elite in white. >> >> Waldo I tried the Shoei RF700 large on in the bike shop and it seemed to fit perfect, better than any helmet I have ever put on my head and there has been a lot of them. Your right, a long test ride will tell the tale. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:27:29 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: creaking sound....... At 08:37 AM 8/5/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Gregg: > >The transmission and the final drive are both sealed units such that their >respective lubrication has nothing to do with the drive-shaft splines >(unless, of course, a seal is leaking). The splines on either end of the >shaft are supposed to be lubed with molydenum-disulfide grease. I don't >believe that there is a specified period for checking these splines in the >maintenance plan, but I suspect that checking them every couple of years >would be a good idea. > The splines at the rear wheel should be cleaned and relubed every time the tire is changed. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:28:55 -0600 Subject: touring boots To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I want to buy touring boots. Does anyone have a copy of Rider magazine's July 1995 comparison article? Can anyone recommend a boot? I want the following: - comfortable for walking - good protection from injury - conservative looking when worn to out to dinner on a trip (I don't want to pack shoes just for the purpose.) - suitable for riding in hot and cold weather I do ride in rain, sometimes for extended periods. Should I invest in Goretex boots or use Totes over them? Is there a store in the Northeast that stocks boots to try on? Doug Marlow dougm@hp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:44:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:44:12 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, deselms@primenet.com Subject: Rifle Wind Screen on the web Just a reminder that Rifle is on the Web and the PC800 spcific page may be viewed at: http://www.rifle.com/pc800.htm ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:51:34 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: touring boots >Can anyone recommend a boot? I want the following: - comfortable for walking - good protection from injury - conservative looking when worn to out to dinner on a trip (I don't want to pack shoes just for the purpose.) - suitable for riding in hot and cold weather I do ride in rain, sometimes for extended periods. Should I invest in Goretex boots or use Totes over them? Is there a store in the Northeast that stocks boots to try on? I've been using Bates Sport Racers (11-12") for a few years now. Fit like a kid glove and meet all your requirements. I use Totes in the rain. I don't know of a local shop that carries them. I bought mine from Competition Accessories. They can be returned for the cost of shipping. The shipping is probably cheaper than running around looking for them - and quicker by mail. Order your "real shoe" size, not sneaker size. Good luck. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:03:08 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: PC 800 for sale Seen in this week's Cycle, Boat & RV Trader (chicagoland edition): '90 PC800, low miles, must sell, $4,500 obo, (708) 361-1104 Palos Heights IL, reference # C-BT96-29-KA0104-31@BT. Out of curiousity I checked out Traders website, http://www.traderonline.com but it looks like they've only got cars online. If they do motorcycles it would provide a good basis for comparison shopping. Maybe if we all post messages to their webmaster! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:12:16 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Corbin seat Coulda' sworn I'd seen postings about a new Corbin seat for our woefully under-accessorized PCs, so I was surprised to get this message this morning: Bob,we do not make a seat for the pc800 at this time.I am sorry but we might design something for that seat sometime later this year.Once again we apolagize. THANK YOU, ROLANDO CALDERON Best Regards from Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards 800-538-7035 | http://www.corbin.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 05 Aug 1996 11:11:47 -0500 (CDT) id MAA16454 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:13:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 12:13:11 -0400 Subject: Re: touring boots To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Try Rockport's XCS with Goretex. They are about $150.00-$200.00 in most good shoe stores. They have excellent ankle protection, are very comforable for walking and look good enough to ware with a tux. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Motorcycle online For those of you who have not found this on the internet you may want to take a look at Motorcycle on Line at http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/events.html. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Giovanni Brardinoni Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Hi from a new member Welcome to the List, Giovanni. As far as I know, you're our only member from Italy, but we also have subscribers from England, Netherlands, Australia, and Canada, as well as the U.S. Any plans to visit America? We would be interested in any touring trips you have taken on your PC. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 13:02:12 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800 for sale Maybe y'all would be interested in Motorcycle Shopper On-Line at http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/ . Try "The On-Line Swap Meet" page. I found one PC for sale. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:50:08 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: touring boots There's a Rockport factory outlet store in Marlboro, MA. Rt20&Rt85s. < Subject: Re: (None) Hey, I am looking for information on a trunk/backrest system for the PC800. I would be grateful for any help. I am sending a couple of pics from the internet that show what I'm talking about. Thanx Steve Turner ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:11:00 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Dorman" Subject: RE: Corbin seat I found the following at Corbin's web site under Honda: Complete luxury touring system consisting of 4 parts all with contemporary Mike Corbin styling. The front saddle is 1.5 inches lower and is shaped to fit the rider's posture. The rear saddle bolts onto the Honda trunk and folds forward like original equipment. Another original Corbin idea... Driver's positioner is adjustable fore and aft to hold the rider in their most comfortable riding position. Just loosen knob, set position & retighten! The passenger rest (optional) is fully adjustable and provides an extra 11 inches of passenger back support. Installs and removes easily. Seating postures were neutralized to reduce sliding. All components are available color coordinated to your Pacific Coast. All components of Corbin's saddle system mount like stock for simple installation. See options section of this site for additional information. #HPC 3-piece system $299 #PR Passenger Backrest $139 - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Dorman Sent: Monday, August 05, 1996 10:12 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin seat Coulda' sworn I'd seen postings about a new Corbin seat for our woefully under-accessorized PCs, so I was surprised to get this message this morning: Bob,we do not make a seat for the pc800 at this time.I am sorry but we might design something for that seat sometime later this year.Once again we apolagize. THANK YOU, ROLANDO CALDERON Best Regards from Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards 800-538-7035 | http://www.corbin.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Hayes To: Bob Dorman Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Corbin seat Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:26:27 -0700 If you go up on the web site, they even have a nice color glossy picture of the custom seat, mounted on a PC800. Also of note, there must be atleast a few PC800 members on this alias who have purchased one of the corbin seats. I know of one person who was selling a used one for the PC800 a while back (it's gone). - pauly >---------- >From: Bob Dorman >Sent: Monday, August 05, 1996 2:37 PM >To: Paul Hayes >Subject: RE: Corbin seat > >>I found the following at Corbin's web site under Honda: >> (http://www.corbin.com/honda/pch.html) >> >Pauly--Thanks for the information. Kinda makes you wonder how one of their >employees could have said,"Sorry, don't make one for your bike" > > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 19:35:11 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bob Dorman Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Corbin seat Bob Dorman wrote: > > Coulda' sworn I'd seen postings about a new Corbin seat for our woefully > under-accessorized PCs, so I was surprised to get this message this > morning: > >"Bob,we do not make a seat for the pc800 at this time.I am sorry but we might > design something for that seat sometime later this year.Once again we > apolagize." Here I am about to place my order for a Corbin seat for my '96 PC and I decide to read my E-mail first... But in my grubby little hand as we "speak" is the 1996 Corbin catalog which still offers the 3 or 4 piece seat for the PC. Hopefully, I'll be receiving a seat in the mail in a few weeks and not an apologetic E-mail telling me it's no longer available... FWIW, the decision for the Corbin is to improve two aspects of the PC at once. I considered a Rifle windshield (std height) to enable my entire torso to be within the still air pocket, but being the short runt that I am (5'7") I only need slouch about 2 inches to get in the air pocket. The Corbin being approximately 1 1/2" lower should place me nearly in the still air and make for a happier butt after a long ride. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:57:48 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: My red PC is For Sale, WHY? My red 1990 PC for sale: WHY? I want a BLACK one! (and I've found one!) Here are details: 7Kmi. Everything stock. No options. Recent complete fluid and filter changes. Runs like a top. Needs nothing. Fly in and drive home. Bike is near Albany NY. Is $4,200 reasonable? Dave 518.392.7234 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 08:18:22 -0600 Subject: Rifle windshield - to tint or not to tint To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I am ordering a Rifle windshield for my black '94 PC. Should I get the untinted or the tinted? In other words, how does one compare to the other: 1) looking through it, and 2) for appearance on the bike. Doug Marlow dougm@hp.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dave Steven Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My red PC is For Sale, WHY? Yes! If I didn't have the same animal with 62K on it, I'd take it in a heartbeat. On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Dave Steven wrote: > My red 1990 PC for sale: WHY? > > I want a BLACK one! (and I've found one!) > > Here are details: > > 7Kmi. Everything stock. No options. Recent complete fluid and filter changes. > Runs like a top. Needs nothing. Fly in and drive home. > Bike is near Albany NY. > Is $4,200 reasonable? > Dave > 518.392.7234 > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 16:01:41 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Rufener" Subject: RE: ... 1989 PC800 - 1600 miles Thanks to all who volunteered to do a bike relay. It really was a fun idea I thought more than twice about. I was working on buying the bike mentioned below from a fellow in TX, but found and bought one locally in WA at the last minute. The '89 PC800 I just bought locally had a few more miles (7800 vs. 1600) and cost more ($4200 vs $3700), but having the bike now and not having to go through the risks and hassle of moving it is what tipped the scales. In case anyone is interested, the ad mentioned below is correct. The '89 bike, owned by a fellow in Dallas with a lot of bike experience, really does have 1600 miles on it. He kept it well, frequently taking it for short trips (around the block a couple times), changing fluids, keeping it garaged, etc. Extras include a cover, manuals, backrest and mud flap. It has the stock windscreen. It you want an '89 that is as near to factory condition as you'll ever find for $3700, give Dick a call: 817-498-8496 home 214-718-1439 work and rschmitter@why.net. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 1996 5:50 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1989 PC800 - 1600 miles Early this year, I put my name in a classified wanted to buy ad on some web site. I just received the following message. A second message stated that the bike has 1600 miles on it and is in showroom condition. I believe the area code is from Dallas. If anyone on the list is interested in the bike, go for it as I bought one locally in April. Price looks awfully good for a bike with only 1600 miles on it. Regards, Bob I have several Honda's, a 92 ST1100, and the 89 PC and recently signed up >for a blk/yellow valkyrie to be delivered end of august. In view of this >i am selling the PC ... $3,700 takes it if interested give me a shout >817-498-8496 home 214-718-1439 work and rschmitter@why.net >good riding ! > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:36:30 -0400 From: "Teressa A. Lee" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member Justine Walker Pasadena Maryland jlwalk3@aol.com PC800 1989 Bought used (8000 Mi) Hope to hear from you! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:02:00 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tscot@vvm.com (todd scot) Subject: 89 pc for sale 10,000 miles, Rifle (tall) windscreen. Great condition, and pictures upon request via e-mail. $3,000 in Killeen Texas *************************************************************** *Todd Scot (817)519-3518 * *E-mail tscot@vvm.com WWW HTTP://www.vvm.com/~tscot* *************************************************************** pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu; Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:13:57 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:13:38 -0700 From: Peter B Tamblyn Subject: PC for sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I hate it, but I'm parting with my '95 PC, under 3K miles, 2 yr. extended warranty, Saeng stealth edging on stock shield, shop manual, and into its first treat of synthetic oil not that ring seat is guaranted. No scratches or abuse; absolutely like new. No dicker sticker price is $5900. Northeast Georgia. Call Pete at 706-778-3342 anytime. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:42:02 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Corbin seat Greetings All, The Corbin seat for the PC is apparently still very much available as I received confirmation today on an order I placed yesterday via their web site. Their "Order Blank" on the web uses data encryption for those of you who may be hesitant to send your credit card number over the net. They estimate up to 5 weeks for delivery. They said that the last time I bought one and it arrived in about 2 weeks. We shall see... ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut "I don't want a pickle, just want to ride on my motorcy....cle." Arlo Guthrie - 1967 Oops, showing my age again... ___________________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:54:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 23:08:35 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800 Subject: photoshop do we have any graphics based people on line??? -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Olly Roberts To: "'pc800@tcamc.uh.edu.'" Subject: Mailing list Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:19:28 -0400 I would be interested in meeting other PC owners in my area. Please email me what ever information you can. My name and address: Oliver Roberts 6 Sinnot Cir Durham, NC 27713 (919) 54-6121 Email "roberto@interlogics.com Thanks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 14:58:22 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "pc800" , dkgross@halcyon.com Subject: first commuting day First: Hi Dave in Seattle! COol wEb siTe! I'm a fellow Puget Sounder, living on Whidbey Island, for the benefit of the otters, 25 miles from Seattle. This might be a dumb question, but have you ever had the pleasure of touring to any of the islands? Yesterday was my first commuting day on my new '89 PC800 (90min/1way) ... Actually it was my first commuting day on ANY motorcycle . What a wonderful way to wrap up the day: pulling up to the ferry terminal in Mukelteo in the afternoon, I parked down in the reserved bike area and asked a fellow rider what the rules were for bikers. Basically, after passengers, bikes go on first. We give the dock worker our tickets just before boarding, then it's onto the big iron deck in a line of 8 bikes two wide and up to the front of the ferry to park. Actually that's a misnomer. The ferry, going both ways, doesn't technically have a "front". Anyway, as we get under way, you have your scenic 30 minute stretch/coffee break on the upper deck. During peak season you may want to watch for whales - I saw three small Orcas in a pod swim up next to the boat two weeks ago, as if they were playing next to a much larger cousin whale. These whales, breaking the surface in unison about every 10 seconds, showing us their white underbellies, really seemed to be loving life at that moment. As we pull into the dock at Clinton on South Whidbey, there's plenty of time to get ready to go - about the time it takes to maneuver and *gracefully* stop 700 tons of iron floating at 5 knots toward the somewhat forgiving pilings at the dock. Bikes pull off the ferry first, two wide and motor down to the road to our various homes / families / other destinations. The bike was great. I'm not yet experienced enough to say what in particular I liked about it's performance. I can't pretend to know if there was more or less buffeting than with other bikes. But I can say she purred along, never laboring and she felt both responsive and forgiving, if that's not a contradiction. I felt at any moment, that she could give me what I need to get out of a sticky situation, yet she wasn't fickle or jittery. The wind and noise were quite tolerable. One thing I did notice was that the bike will not have the range to go a few days between fill-ups. Q: I'll find this out in time, but can anyone give me some actual numbers for the range of the bike between fill-ups? Of course, with all the disclaimers about driving style, terrain, etc. While I drove those two big old 6-lane slabs o' concrete (I-5 and I-405), I'll be looking to find a more scenic and sane route to take tomorrow. I also started my trip journal today - after watching one of my fellow bikers updating his journal while parked on the ferry. This will be the first entry! I'm really loving this. - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800'" , "'Paul Hayes'" Subject: RE: first commuting day Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:24:36 -0700 Hi Paul! Congrats on your first commute. I sure find that I enjoy the commute a lot more on my PC (although the traffic jams on I-405 aren't always a lot of fun). I find that I have about a 160-mile range, although I've heard others who say they get more. It could be due in part to the traffic jams I have to sit in on the way home... David Gordon P.S. Our two 89 PCs look great parked next to each other in the garage (sorta looks like a Honda commercial...) :) >---------- >From: Paul Hayes[SMTP:Pauly@msn.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 1996 7:58 AM >To: pc800; dkgross@halcyon.com >Subject: first commuting day > >First: Hi Dave in Seattle! COol wEb siTe! > >I'm a fellow Puget Sounder, living on Whidbey Island, for the benefit of the >otters, 25 miles from Seattle. This might be a dumb question, but have you >ever had the pleasure of touring to any of the islands? Yesterday was my >first >commuting day on my new '89 PC800 (90min/1way) ... Actually it was my first >commuting day on ANY motorcycle . > >What a wonderful way to wrap up the day: pulling up to the ferry terminal in >Mukelteo in the afternoon, I parked down in the reserved bike area and asked >a >fellow rider what the rules were for bikers. Basically, after passengers, >bikes go on first. We give the dock worker our tickets just before boarding, >then it's onto the big iron deck in a line of 8 bikes two wide and up to the >front of the ferry to park. Actually that's a misnomer. The ferry, going >both ways, doesn't technically have a "front". Anyway, as we get under way, >you have your scenic 30 minute stretch/coffee break on the upper deck. >During >peak season you may want to watch for whales - I saw three small Orcas in a >pod swim up next to the boat two weeks ago, as if they were playing next to a >much larger cousin whale. These whales, breaking the surface in unison about >every 10 seconds, showing us their white underbellies, really seemed to be >loving life at that moment. As we pull into the dock at Clinton on South >Whidbey, there's plenty of time to get ready to go - about the time it takes >to maneuver and *gracefully* stop 700 tons of iron floating at 5 knots toward >the somewhat forgiving pilings at the dock. Bikes pull off the ferry first, >two wide and motor down to the road to our various homes / families / other >destinations. > >The bike was great. I'm not yet experienced enough to say what in particular >I liked about it's performance. I can't pretend to know if there was more or >less buffeting than with other bikes. But I can say she purred along, never >laboring and she felt both responsive and forgiving, if that's not a >contradiction. I felt at any moment, that she could give me what I need to >get out of a sticky situation, yet she wasn't fickle or jittery. The wind >and >noise were quite tolerable. One thing I did notice was that the bike will >not >have the range to go a few days between fill-ups. Q: I'll find this out in >time, but can anyone give me some actual numbers for the range of the bike >between fill-ups? Of course, with all the disclaimers about driving style, >terrain, etc. > >While I drove those two big old 6-lane slabs o' concrete (I-5 and I-405), >I'll >be looking to find a more scenic and sane route to take tomorrow. I also >started my trip journal today - after watching one of my fellow bikers >updating his journal while parked on the ferry. This will be the first >entry! > >I'm really loving this. - pauly > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Paul Hayes Cc: pc800 , dkgross@halcyon.com Subject: Re: first commuting day Hi Pauly, I really enjoyed your description of the ferry process. I haven't had my PC on a ferry, but I had my last bike, a Silver Wing on many in Japan and enjoyed it. As for your bike's range, it has a 4.2 gal. tank - as simple as that, i.e., you have to determine your mpg as it will vary from 40 to 52 depending on your speed, conditions, and the bikes age, but you will find that it will vary little on the same commute. On my daily commute of 33 miles rt, I averaged 44.5 mpg four years ago. This gave me a range of 170 miles. Now, at 62K on the clock, I get 40.5 mpg with a range of 155 miles for the same commute. On a trip, I'll get 50 mpg with a range of 190 miles. One thing I can tell you is that the PC's gas gauge is overly pessimistic. The needle can be way up on the nozzle of the pump icon before you run out. When I first get a bike, I bring a container of gas along and purposely run out (shut down at first sputter), then you know for sure how to read the guage. Richard Hardy, San Diego with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:36:17 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:38:33 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 3.4 gallon vs. 4.3 gallon tank I own an '89 PC which has a 3.4 gallon gas tank. I understand that the later models come with a 4.3 gallon tank. Has anyone fitted the larger tank in to the '89, and if yes could you provide details? Thanks in advance. Jan deRoos '89 PC 800 ("Moby") -14,000 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:42:28 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) Subject: Corbin Seat is Available To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I called Corbin (800/ 538-7035) and verified that they are now producing the saddle and backrest for the PC. The saddle is $299 and the backrest is $139. As readers of this group know, production had been stopped earlier this year due to the number of problems riders were having getting a proper fit. Thanks to our one of our own, these problems have been apparently solved and the seat is available. Dave, how about an update from you and your brother on the Corbins since you should have time to break them in? Ride as if your life depended on it, Dave Lott 1989 PC with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 1996 15:38:13 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 15:40:21 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 3.4 vs. 4.3 Gallon Tank Re: 3.4 vs. 4.3 Gallon Tank Oops, I made a big mistake. I relied on the dealers 'say so' regarding gas tank size. Just checked the owners manual (when all else fails.....) and it says I have a 16.0 liter (4.2 gallon) tank. It's funny though, when the gas guage needle touches the hose on the gas tank, the tank takes just over 3 gallons. I guess I have a huge reserve and about 50 more miles in range than I thought I had. Sorry for the confusion. Jan deRoos '89 PC 800 ("What's that thing?") -14,000 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:52:11 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: dkgross@halcyon.com CC: pc800 Subject: Re: photoshop Dave Gross wrote: > > do we have any graphics based people on line??? > -- > > Dave Gross > Seattle,WA > I do some graphics work on the side. What do you have in mind? E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 19:24:31 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: [Fwd: post to list] --------------5E213EC13445 Found on the ST liST. Bill --------------5E213EC13445 06 Aug 1996 22:17:43 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 22:17:20 -0700 From: Peter B Tamblyn To: st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: post to list for sale 1995 Pacific Coast, black, 2K miles, Sargent-improved seat, Saeng stealth on stock shield, shop manual, 2 more years' warranty, like new; no-dicker sticker $5900. Call Pete in GA at 706-778-3342 --------------5E213EC13445-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'ruf@nconnect.net'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: choke Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:12:48 -0700 I've used WD-40 with good sucess. Remove the plastiv cover around the ignition kry area and you'll get better access to the cable. There;s a rubber seal on the end that you'll need to squirt underneath. -bryceu ========================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ruf@nconnect.net To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: Subject: choke Date: Fri, Aug 2, 1996 8:54 PM My choke seems to be hard to pull up. Has anyone had any experiences lubricating the choke cable? If so, what do you recommend using for a lubricant and is there any specific procedure to follow? Thanks Bob (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 20:27:41 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: choke Bryce Ulrich wrote: Welcome Back, Bryce! Where's the trip report???? how much did you pay for bottled water??? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:39:03 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 20:32:22 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available Mine is well broken in, and it's the 3d best investment I've made on the bike. #1 is the metzler tires, #2 is the progressive shock springs for the front. It took a while to get the riding position adjusted to my liking, and the seat _is_ hard. It's just that after it's broken in, it fits so well I don't notice it anymore. Also, it's wider, so I'm on the balls of my feet instead of almost flat (I'm 5' 4-1/2" on a good day) but I'm used to it, and have no problem controlling the bike. No problem mounting the rider's saddle -- the rear mounting brackets swivel to line up with the frame. The rear seat is still a pain to line up, but I managed to do it by my lonesome. All in all, a good idea. Dave Lott wrote: [...] > Dave, how about an update from you and your brother on the Corbins > since you should have time to break them in? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:36:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:50:44 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available took about 500 miles to break in. wouldn't ride without it. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:42:26 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clothing & Helmet questions I realize I'm a little late responding to this question, but I just want to strongly recommend the reflective vests made by Conspicuity. I found mine in the Dennis Kirk catalog. It's black mesh with huge yellow *retroreflective* strips. Retroreflective surfaces are the ones that seem to actually shine back at you--much brighter than the also excellent Scotchlite. I wear it at night and--perhaps even more importantly--in hazey, foggy, or dusky conditions. I've actually had impressed drivers pull up next to me and say they could see me from way back. I figure that since "I didn't see him" seems to be what cagers usually say when they hit a cyclist, I want to do everything possible to make sure they do see me. I'm not concerned with what's "cool," but, actually, I kind of like how it looks. A fringe benefit: I suspect that some people mistake me for a cop--several times cars have slowed down and moved a lane over to let me pass on the highway. :-) Also: I recently bought an Aerostitch suit, and I'm very impressed with it. In the current heat we're experiencing in Boston, I can hardly bear to wear the pants (the jacket has amazing ventilation), but in cooler weather, I suspect it will become my second skin. Having fun means being safe! >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:45:46 -0400 To: buster@hic.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creeking sound..... ------------------------ buster@hic.net (DORMAN) wrote: Hi all, Has anyone ever experienced a slight creaking or popping sound while pushing their PC without the engine running? It's not very loud, so it has to be pretty quiet to hear it. ------------------------------------ I hear a creaking when I pull over the hump of the driveway I to my parking space at very low speeds. I thought I had to do with the forks, but I can't duplicate it by pushing down on the front end. Beats me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 09:09:39 PDT Subject: Re: creeking sound..... To: JeffHO@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jeff asked about a creaking sound...... Try moving the cycle from a cool garage into the hot sun and listen. The tupperware panels creak all over as they expand. Other than that, I don't belive I've heard it although the topic came up a few days ago, maybe last wek or so. John Louk '90 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 07:33:38 -0600 Subject: Sargent -improved seat, tank bagsticky choke To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I noticed that the ad for a used PC that someone sent around it listed a "Sargent-improved" seat. Can anyone tell me what that is? While mounting a tank bag on my PC I noticed something that I want to warn people about. I took off the "dashboard" two panels to the left and right of the steering head (forward of the false gas tank) to run the front strap around the frame. When I had the bag installed I turned the bars left and right, without replacing the panels, to see that all the cable, hoses and fork cleared the strap. The steering hung up because the handle bar cover opened up along its joint where it hit the edge of the opening caused by removing the panels. Replacing the panels eliminated the problem because they present a smooth surface which will not catch the edge of the handlebar cover. I am sorry for the long description. I picture would be worth about 1000 words here. The important thing is: don't ride the PC without those two dashboard panels to the left and right of the steering head in place. The Eclipse standard bag works fine. When I ride without the bag I slip a 1 1/4" long piece of 27 x 1 1/8" bicycle inner tube over the plastic buckle to protect the paint. Doug Marlow dougm@hp.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:55:04 -0400 To: roberto@interlogics.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mailing list Welcome to the group. Please point your web browser at www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening this gives a list of members organized geographically Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:01:22 -0400 To: JeffHO@aol.com, buster@hic.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: creeking sound..... My rear springs rub against the shock towers, making an annoying creak. A big blast of "Grease in a spray can" will solve the problem for a while. The real solution is to try to rotate the springs. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Corbin My Corbin and I are getting along just fine now. When I first bought it from Wes in NY, I thought it was stiff too and it worried me a little bit. I thought maybe I'd have to live with someone else's butt impressions on the seat. Butt (pun intended) now, I really don't notice it at all. It readjusted itself to my behind so it just fits like a glove. I don't shift around the seat as much anymore. If I do, it's only to get air flow and not because of circulation problems. While I'm on the line, it's time for another monthly short ride here in So. Cal. We're planning to zip to Lake Arrowhead on 8/24. Start of the trip will be in Fountain Valley or Anaheim, depending on where we're all coming from. Please respond to me if you're free that weekend!! ========================================================================= *** * * = = = Johan Lai (jlai@filenet.com) * * ** == = == === CCF Network/Systems Admin *** * * **** = === ==== = Engineering Services * * * * = == = = FileNet Corportation * * * ** = = == == 3565 Harbor Blvd, Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." PGP Fingerprint 4B 2D 91 5A 62 3E 96 36 93 9E 03 A4 10 A2 B9 F5 ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 11:10:04 -0400 From: Gary Williams To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: want to sign up! Hello, I came across this system while doing a net search for cyclecomm information. The emails seem to be very interesting and I would like to know how I could hook up. My internet address is propel@ix.netcom.com. I ride a 1997 Honda Valkyrie and a 1995 Harley Davidson Dynaglide Convertible. Thanks for any information! Sincerely, Gary Williams ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:43:37 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, roger@dg-webo Subject: Re: Sargent -improved seat, tank bagsticky choke Doug, your "real" problem with the handlebar covers is misadjusted handlebars. Under the center cover where the ignition switch is located are the handlebar clamps. The bolts can be loosened to allow front-back movement of the bars. A lot of people don't realize they are causing what you saw. I would adjust that so the bottom of the bar covers are parallel to the dash. On the tankbag straps. I mounted my front clips differently. With the two small panel removed you see the nuts that hold the tank shelter. I cut two short strips of nylon strap and, with a soldering iron, melted a hole through the two loose ends. Rmoved the nuts, slipped the strap over the studs and replaced the nut. That has worked very well for me. Sargent's is a seat company in Florida (see in back of MC mags). They have a very good reputation. They will do just about anything you want done to a seat. I spoke to Pete (the ad source you ref'd) and they replaced most of his foam with a former seat foam, leaving the oem shape intact (and covering). I'll probably do that myself since my '95 seat is way too soft. My '90 seat is firmer. Honda must have save a nickel/seat with some inferior foam. Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 13:47:24 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: seat & air flow Johan Lai wrote: > > I don't shift around the seat as much anymore. If I do, it's > only to get air flow ... Has anyone tried one of those beaded seat covers on their PC? I have a beaded car seat cover that does not fit in my car. I'm thinking I could adapt it to fit. Any tips or warnings? Thanks so much! -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 11:33:09 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, roger@dg-webo, roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) Subject: Re[2]: Sargent -improved seat, tank bagsticky choke I have had my seat modified at Travelcade (also in back MC mag). I am only 5'2", so had it cut lower and as narrow as possible with firmer foam and a gel pack insert. Because I ride forward in the seat, I only had them cut that part lower and taper it up to meet the passenger seat in the back. This custom cut lowering of the seat gave me about a 2 inch lower lombard support. I had it covered with black Kevlar on seat, red welting, and original gray color sides. It looks great on my '95 Black Beauty with it red pinstripping. It is much more comfortable than the original .... and I am a distance rider. Wanda Bailie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Sargent -improved seat, tank bagsticky choke Author: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 8/8/96 10:55 AM Doug, your "real" problem with the handlebar covers is misadjusted handlebars. Under the center cover where the ignition switch is located are the handlebar clamps. The bolts can be loosened to allow front-back movement of the bars. A lot of people don't realize they are causing what you saw. I would adjust that so the bottom of the bar covers are parallel to the dash. On the tankbag straps. I mounted my front clips differently. With the two small panel removed you see the nuts that hold the tank shelter. I cut two short strips of nylon strap and, with a soldering iron, melted a hole through the two loose ends. Rmoved the nuts, slipped the strap over the studs and replaced the nut. That has worked very well for me. Sargent's is a seat company in Florida (see in back of MC mags). They have a very good reputation. They will do just about anything you want done to a seat. I spoke to Pete (the ad source you ref'd) and they replaced most of his foam with a former seat foam, leaving the oem shape intact (and covering). I'll probably do that myself since my '95 seat is way too soft. My '90 seat is firmer. Honda must have save a nickel/seat with some inferior foam. Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:07:46 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Tankbags Do any of my fellow PC riders have an opinion on tankbags? I'm looking for a small bag, just to get the stuff (garage door opener, sunglasses, etc.) out of my pockets, and would also like to have a clear top-pocket for a map, written directions, etc. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:08:51 PST Subject: Radio Equipment From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S. Foreman) Does anyone have the phone number and address for Cycle Comm? Chances are I might have found some more radio equipment, and antenna information. It would be greatly appreciated. I have looked in my motorcycle magazines with negative results for the advertisement, or else overlooked it. Thanks Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 13:43:04 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: Tankbags On my PC and my husbands Venture we use Chase Harper tank bag model = 750 compact. They are quite small and have a map top-pocket. I don't have my bike at work today, so can't run out to measure, but I think it is about 10 inches long x 8 inches wide x 4 inches tall. They also can expand up to about 18 inches tall if you need it on occasion. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Tankbags Author: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 8/8/96 12:31 PM Do any of my fellow PC riders have an opinion on tankbags? I'm looking for a small bag, just to get the stuff (garage door opener, sunglasses, etc.) out of my pockets, and would also like to have a clear top-pocket for a map, written directions, etc. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:56:38 -0400 To: kforeman@juno.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radio Equipment Cycle Comm's home page is http://www.stanscom/cyclecomm. Their telephone number is (815) 337-0790. Any web brouser searching "cycle comm" will bring up their home page. It looks like good equipment. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 19:55:26 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Bob Dorman Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tankbags Bob Dorman wrote: > > Do any of my fellow PC riders have an opinion on tankbags? I'm looking for > a small bag, just to get the stuff (garage door opener, sunglasses, etc.) > out of my pockets, and would also like to have a clear top-pocket for a > map, written directions, etc. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. RKA makes a small tankbag and Eclipse also makes a small bag that would be well suited to your needs. The Eclipse model is the Sportbike Expandable Tanktote. It's 9"wX5.5-11.5"hX12.5"l. Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 19:43:42 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: Bob Dorman Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tankbags Bob Dorman wrote: > > Do any of my fellow PC riders have an opinion on tankbags? I'm looking for > a small bag, just to get the stuff (garage door opener, sunglasses, etc.) > out of my pockets, and would also like to have a clear top-pocket for a > map, written directions, etc. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:34:37 -0700 (MST) To: BernieK469@aol.com, kforeman@juno.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Radio Equipment Try again, Bernie. You left out a dot. Users trying the URL you gave would get an internal "Cannot find DSN entry" without Netscape even sending out a packet. Instead try: http://www.stans.com/cyclecomm Don't worry. Happens to the best of us -- me more than most, actually. I always seem to be forgetting a dot here and there. Regards, Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com --------------------------------- Reply Separator -------------------------- At 18:56 8/8/96 -0400, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >Cycle Comm's home page is http://www.stanscom/cyclecomm. Their telephone >number is (815) 337-0790. Any web brouser searching "cycle comm" will >bring up their home page. It looks like good equipment. > (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:13:13 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:13:13 +1000 To: wilsnfam@cadvisoin.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, sispas@lsil.com From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Test Ron Bob justa test, trying to put in nickname, do you receive? Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:12:32 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Thanks My thanks to everyone for their tankbag information. I must be the only person alive without a tankbag. I'll order one right away! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 14:13:56 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: BernieK469@aol.com, kforeman@juno.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: RE: Audio Another source of Motorcycle Audio is J&M Corp. Here's an online catalog: http://bike4u2.com/jm/index.html >From the catalog: "J&M has spent 18 years designing, improving, and defining the helmet headset. The list of inovations includes the AeroMike(tm) microphone, the Dynaport(tm) helmet speakers, the unique single clamp-on mounting system and heavy duty hookup cord. J&M offers you with total confidence the finest helmet headset built anywhere in the world." They also have a line of CB and Stero electronics. - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 12:49:41 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: BernieK469@aol.com, kforeman@juno.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: RE: Radio Equipment The address correction below resolves, but if you have trouble, the following will also work: http://www.inb.net/cyclecomm/ - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Gregg L. DesElms Sent: Thursday, August 08, 1996 8:34 PM To: BernieK469@aol.com; kforeman@juno.com; PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radio Equipment Try again, Bernie. You left out a dot. Users trying the URL you gave would get an internal "Cannot find DSN entry" without Netscape even sending out a packet. Instead try: http://www.stans.com/cyclecomm Don't worry. Happens to the best of us -- me more than most, actually. I always seem to be forgetting a dot here and there. Regards, Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com --------------------------------- Reply Separator -------------------------- At 18:56 8/8/96 -0400, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >Cycle Comm's home page is http://www.stanscom/cyclecomm. Their telephone >number is (815) 337-0790. Any web brouser searching "cycle comm" will >bring up their home page. It looks like good equipment. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:23:43 PST Subject: Motorcycle Insurance From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S Foreman) Fellow Bike Riders, I had a go around with our local insurance company today. For our 1995 Honda PC800 the insurance with 250.00 deductible is $120.00 a year. Since we put the Honda on insurance which was last year we purchased two more motorcycles. They are the Suzuki Bandits 600S. We got a quote for insurance on these bikes through our insurance agent who in return is writing for Dairyland. Dairyland told them since we had the PC800 , and by putting the other two bikes on we would get a multiple discount. They quoted the Suzuki Bandits at $112.00 each a year. Today they said they made a mistake, and that the Suzuki insurance would be $224.00 each a year. Does anyone have any information on a good reliable insurance company. I advised that they should go by their quote, and the reply I got was you will be canceled if you don't pay the difference. I really don't think it is fair. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'kforeman@juno.com'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle Insurance Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:08:11 -0700 Tell 'em multiple bikes insured, at a lower cost, is more money for them than no customer spreading bad words on their business practices. Tell them to bring the rate down or you smear them on the Internet. I ran into a similar thing with Rider insurance, but in my case I had a happy ending. I was given a quote on my PC800, in writing and through the mail last September that was really great. I told myself that I'd call them when it was time to renew my current policy with another company. When Spring came I called Rider back to sign up the PC at the old quote PLUS get a separate policy for my newly purchased VFR750. Well the new quote on the PC was $150 OVER the previous quote. I couldn't believe it and asked why. I got a run-around for a bit with them saying something about there were rate changes that probably did it. Well a quick calculation in Excel said this wasn't a 5-10% change but HUGE. I told him there was no way I'd switch companies if that was the rate. I also said that if I had a quote IN WRITING I should be entitled to it. About that time I mentioned I wanted to insure both bikes and that I would definitely shop around till I got decent rates for both (the VFR quotes were mostly $500+, outrageous!). Well to conclude the guy was able to convince the powers that be that they could bring the rate down within a few bucks of the original quote. Bottom line as $218/yr for each bike w/ uninsured motorist, AND this policy covers my accessories. I made the salesman promise they wouldn't do a switcharoo next year and double my rates. \"/ If I hadn't had that written quote I never would have swung the deal. BTW: I'm 28, single, renting a house, with no tickets within the last couple of years. I told 'em I ride full time. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: kforeman@juno.com[SMTP:kforeman@juno.com] >Sent: Friday, August 09, 1996 8:23 PM >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Motorcycle Insurance > >Fellow Bike Riders, > I had a go around with our local insurance company today. For our >1995 Honda PC800 the insurance with 250.00 deductible is $120.00 a year. > Since we put the Honda on insurance which was last year we purchased two >more motorcycles. They are the Suzuki Bandits 600S. We got a quote for >insurance on these bikes through our insurance agent who in return is >writing for Dairyland. Dairyland told them since we had the PC800 , and >by putting the other two bikes on we would get a multiple discount. They >quoted the Suzuki Bandits at $112.00 each a year. Today they said they >made a mistake, and that the Suzuki insurance would be $224.00 each a year. >Does anyone have any information on a good reliable insurance >company. I advised that they should go by their quote, and the reply I >got was you will be canceled if you don't pay the difference. I really don't >think it is fair. Any information would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks Ken >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:05:49 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Recommendation I just read the messages from Ken and Bryce about insurance and deceided for the fun of it to check what i'm paying. I have my insurance with USAA, insurance for curent and former military. I've read that this company is frequently significantly lower in cost with better services. I was shocked to find out that i am paying $440 per year for my PC! I've had a motorcycle on this policy for at least 10 years with no claims or tickets. My deductable is $250 and there isnothing in my record causing a higher price. I also have a car on the same policy. After comparing Ken's and Bryce's quote of $218 - $224 per bike per year, I want to ask if anyone has a really good rate with a solid company that I could switch to. I'd appreciate any helpful information. Thanks Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JBLAV@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:16:55 -0400 To: kforeman@juno.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Just for comparison : 1990 PC800 State Farm Ins. Co. I live south of Miami in a rural community called Key Largo. Liability/Bodily Injury 10,000/20,000 Property Damage 50,000 27.40 500 deductible Comprehensive 15.50 500 deductible Collision 20.50 Uninsured motor vehicle bodily injury 10,000/20,000 55.20 ------------------- Six Months $118.60 No tickets. No accidents. Male operator over 25 years ALSO: I just changed the original battery at 19,000 miles and four years after purchase. Sears sells the identical battery as stock but for $89.00. Dont know what the Honda dealer wants for it. I imagine thats a pretty good life for a battery. Any comments ? JBLAV @ AOL.COM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 23:56:02 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800 Subject: a newbie... From: "Donald R. Hamilton" greetings pc800 list... i'm a newbie and thot i'd introduce myself...even tho i've only been lurking for a couple days. gettin bold in my old age! i'm in columbus, ohio. i'm not a pc800 owner, i've subscrbed just because i'm fascinated by pc's and wanted to get a feel for how well you folks like your bikes, what you like about them, what you don't like about them, etc. my current ride is a '94 vfr750. in the past i've owned a '90 suzook vx800, an '86 bmw k100rs, an early '80's honda ft500 ascot and a couple of dual sports. motorcylcing is the passion of my life. i live to ride (to coin a phrase). i've never ridden a pc but i'd really like to...so if there's anyone near columbus who has a hankerin to try a vfr750...we could take a ride some evening/weekend and trade bikes for awhile. chiming in on the insurance thread...my coverage is with cincinnati insurance. i pay 292 per year for full coverage (500 deductible, i think) on the vfr. they also insure my car and condo. i'm an old man with no accidents but a sprinkling of speeding tickets over the years... later! Donald R. Hamilton vfrlvr@iwaynet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:03:15 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: JBLAV@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance --------------702928CF3B47 JBLAV@aol.com wrote: > > ALSO: I just changed the original battery at 19,000 miles and four years > after purchase. Sears sells the identical battery as stock but for $89.00. > Dont know what the Honda dealer wants for it. I imagine thats a pretty good > life for a battery. Any comments ? > I still have the original on the '90. Purchased 3-92 and 105K. --------------702928CF3B47 ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ --------------702928CF3B47-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Donald R. Hamilton" Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: a newbie... Donald, welcome to the PC list! MY GOD! SPEEDING TICKETS! What in the world is this list coming to!!! I think you'll find that we like our PCs a lot, Don. I use mine for daily commutes, touring, and sport riding. It's dependable, and as maintenance-free as is possible for a motor vehicle. Many other bikes excel in specific areas, but the PC is tops in versatility. Richard Hardy, San Diego On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Donald R. Hamilton wrote: > greetings pc800 list... > > i'm a newbie and thot i'd introduce myself...even tho i've only been > lurking for a couple days. gettin bold in my old age! > > i'm in columbus, ohio. i'm not a pc800 owner, i've subscrbed just > because i'm fascinated by pc's and wanted to get a feel for how well > you folks like your bikes, what you like about them, what you don't > like about them, etc. my current ride is a '94 vfr750. in the past > i've owned a '90 suzook vx800, an '86 bmw k100rs, an early '80's > honda ft500 ascot and a couple of dual sports. motorcylcing is the > passion of my life. i live to ride (to coin a phrase). i've never > ridden a pc but i'd really like to...so if there's anyone near > columbus who has a hankerin to try a vfr750...we could take a ride > some evening/weekend and trade bikes for awhile. > > chiming in on the insurance thread...my coverage is with cincinnati > insurance. i pay 292 per year for full coverage (500 deductible, i > think) on the vfr. they also insure my car and condo. i'm an old > man with no accidents but a sprinkling of speeding tickets over the > years... > > later! > > Donald R. Hamilton > vfrlvr@iwaynet.net > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rideapc8@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:14:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800 My name is Randy Barrett. I live in Granada Hills, Ca. My E-Mail address is Rideapc8 @ AOL.COM. I ride an '89 Pacific Coast (White). I purchased the bike new in '90. I've only done a few modifications to the bike: 1. Added a Sony autoreverse cassette with wired remote. 2. Raised the forks in the tripple clamp. This really helped the handeling. 3. Swithched to Metzler tires after the stock ones wore out (about 5000 miles). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 11:39:56 +0000 From: "Jennifer J. Sherman" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Givi Hard Luggage While in Europe I saw many Africa twins with GIVI removable luggage. The system was outstanding yet I can't seem to find any of it in the USA> I'm located in LA - would be interested in mailording some for my bikes Thanks if you can give any info!! Drsherman@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:30:13 -0400 To: kforeman@juno.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance I'm paying $450 a year for about 10 months of coverage with a $500 deductible. I live in Chicago and have a clean record. FYI Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 22:44:00 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: PC List Subject: Insurance I paid $260 for a full year, full coverage with a $250 deductable. There is some advantages to living up here with the Elk. -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 95 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DANCOTE@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:46:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Motorcycle Insurance To all, Thought I'd share this with the rest of the list. Dan --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PC800: Motorcycle Insurance ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-08-10 09:51:06 EDT From: DAN COTE To: kforeman@juno.com FWIW, Been using GEICO for years with great results. They offer discounts when you renew with them, multiple bike discounts, touring bike discounts and of course MSF riding course discounts. They pay claims quickly and fairly. I'm 53 and I live in Bremerton, WA. The annual premium for my '89 PC is$145. Liability/Bodily Injury 50,000/100,000 39.00 Property Damage 50,000 15.00 200 deductible Comprehensive 42.00 500 deductible Collision 49.00 I have all my other vehicles and house insured with USAA. Great company ... for everything else but motorcycles. They'll tell you that they don't like to insure bikes and their rates prove it. That's why I made the switch to GEICO. Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:04:45 -0400 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trip to the East Coast and Canada Hi folks, My name is Todd Zedak. I'm from Chicago and I'm a member of HSAT as well as the proud owner of a PC800. I'm an active member of the PC800 web group and since I'm planning this rather far flung trip, I'd thought I'd seek some advice. I'll be blazing across IN, OH, NY to Portland, ME to attend a wedding the weekend of 8/24 - 8/25. Then it's north to Montreal for a few days, South to Toronto for a few more. Down to Niagra Falls and back to Chicago. Would any of you folks be interested in hooking up anywhere along to the way? I'm especially looking for tips on the ride from ME to Montreal and from Montreal to Toronto. Thanks, Z with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:00:44 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 07:59:58 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: vfrlvr@iwaynet.net, c601rah@sssd.navy.mil Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: a newbie... -Reply >>> Richard A. Hardy 08/10/96 06:55am >>> Many other bikes excel in specific areas, but the PC is tops in versatility. Richard Hardy, San Diego<<<< Here, here!! The Suisse Army Knife of motorcycles. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:10:06 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Motorcycle Insurance I too deal with the RIDER (magazine)-sponsored insurance, which is National General. I pay about $90 per year for basic liability, 47 yrs old, good record. We have our cars insured with them too-- had a run-in when we got a Honda CRX Si, they were going to hit us with a whopping rate increase on everything, including the old beater pickup that sees little use other than dump runs. The CRX was listed as a sports-performance car, guaranteed to lead us all into temptation. I wrote a strong letter, and they made an exception to their tables and left the rates alone. I'm pleased with their service; at least they're responsive. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:16:53 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank Bag I've got a tank bag and have the typical problem with the horn & starter switches hitting it when turning sharply. From the archives, I gather most people just live with it. I found meself really cramped, embarassed, and sometimes endangered because of it-- so I made a couple little aluminum tabs to shield the switches. They are about 3/4 inch wide, 3" long, and have about a 45 degree bend in the middle. I pop-riveted (with washers) and epoxied them to the plastic bar shroud so they are about 1/4" away from the button. The starter is almost completely covered, the horn is left sticking out a bit for quick access. So far they've been workin fine, it's really great to be able to go full-lock again. Bob C. NM rmclanc@sandia.gov ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: insurance - GEICO Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:28:21 -0700 From: Andrew Beals They may treat you nicely, but and the big point is TICKETS WITH THEM!!! Boycott Geico! -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: "Jennifer J. Sherman" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Jennifer J. Sherman wrote: > While in Europe I saw many Africa twins with GIVI removable luggage. > The system was outstanding yet I can't seem to find any of it in the > USA> I'm located in LA - would be interested in mailording some for my > bikes > Givi Concessionaires (704) 679-4123 They are new, in NC, and will be ready to ship product soon. Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:38:50 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: JC Whitney Finally received the catalog, and have 2 subscription cards. If anyone would like me to mail one out for you let me know. You can have any three of the following types of catalogs: general big catalog; motorcycle; volkswagen; automotive tools; rv; pickup; jeep; sport utility. First two take 'em. E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:49:41 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: Eric York Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage Eric, Do you have any pictures of what the luggage looks like. What parts are they, top box or what? Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 15:51:01 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "pc800" , "Donald R. Hamilton" Subject: RE: a newbie... Donald Wrote: greetings pc800 list... I'm a newbie and thot i'd introduce myself...even tho i've only been lurking for a couple days. gettin bold in my old age! ..... --------- Reply from Pauly: Welcome to the club Donald! The group of people on this list are about as devoted to safe and fun cycling as any group going. While everyone seems to be a unique character (some have character to spare), the common denominator is a love for touring and/or commuting on the PC800. Yes, some of us have other bikes that we use and like (present company excluded), but the PC is unique. One thought ocurred to me the other day: OK, so I know I've only had this bike for a few weeks. But at the moment, I'm so taken with it that I worry about what I'll do to get one just like it when I've ridden all the miles out of this one years from now! Yea, I know - strange. I was on my return commute on this past Friday evening. It was about 10:30pm, the stars were out and I was parked on the ferry crossing Puget Sound. I went over the the other side of the boat to check out some of the other bikes parked there. A woman was admiring a black '95 PC800 saying "have you ever seen a bike like this?! Isn't it gorgeous?! Well, after getting over the surprize, I motioned her to follow me over to the other side of the ferry and as we rounded the back of a van I pointed to my white '89 up towards the front of a cluster of bikes and said, "hmmm, there's one!" We chatted for about 15 minutes about bikes, the PC etc, until the boat was getting ready to dock and the owners of the '95 walked up. Turns out she knew the couple who owned it! . Earlier that day I parked on 45th in Seattle and walked a few blocks to a subway to get some dinner. Finishing, I walked back to where my bike was parked, shadowing a young couple who were walking at a distance to my left. As I was getting ready to ride the young woman hurried up to me and said "I just have to tell you that that is just the prettiest bike I've ever seen... I said myself I'm going to walk up and down this block and find the person who owns it and tell them so..." " You know, I'm from Lousianna, and I've never seen a bike like this before ... is it a West coast only kind of thing?" I assured her that though the name is Pacific Coast, they have them all over the country, though they only imported about 5000 of them in this year/color in '89. - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: sreid@sover.net (Sean Reid) Subject: Guided New England Fall Foliage Tour Northeastern Motorcycle Tours will be guiding their first annual New England Fall Foliage Tour through Vermont, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and the Adirondacks from Saturday, Sept.28 through Sunday, Oct.4. This should be a great trip; if interested in further details, please contact our home page at http://www.ariasoft.com/mctours and leave me an e-mail message. Thanks - Sean Reid ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:25:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Insurance I have Farmers Insurance: 100/300 with 500 Deductable. I pay 121.30 per year in Overland Park, Ks. No medical, My Blue Cross covers that. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:20:54 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: a newbie... Welcome to the news group. A long time ago I live in Seattle. I was working for Topeka Inn Managment, the largest Holdiay Inn Franshise Holder at that time. I worked as a restaurant manager at the old Holiday Inn on Pacific Blvd. I had moved from Texas and had the only converable in Seattle. It naver rained, it just misted all of the time, until my converable's top rotted off. I lived in an apartment complex ( a series of about six different apartments clustered togather) above the airport. All the other residents of the apartments were airline employees. It was party time, 24 hour a day, 7 days a week...of course I was single and in my mid-twenties. Again welcometo the list. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 13 Aug 1996 16:23:41 -0500 (CDT) by mail.pixi.com (8.6.12/PIXI-4.1) with SMTP id LAA13166; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:15:41 -1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:14:59 -1000 From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: RE: a newbie... To: Paul Hayes Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Paul, You're right! PC owners are a different and great group. About 6 months ago I was at a health food store and backed my white 89 next to a bike I couldn't realy see until I was fully parked in the spot. The bike next to me turned out to be a red 90 PC and the owner was just getting on to ride away. It turns out that he's a pilot for Hawaiian Airlines. We've since become good friends and tour around the Island together. I've also enjoyed corresponding with several of the guys on the list and have profitted greatly from their advice and information. Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:18:33 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Motorcycle Insurance Guys, thanks a lot for the information on insurance. USAA is a great company for everything EXCEPT motorcycle insurance. I didn't know this until now. Your help is much appreciated and it will save me a lot of money. Mahalo and Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:20:53 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: GIVI Anyone put a Givi Tail bag on a PC?? How'd it work/look? Which one'd you use?? Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks, KarenT for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:51:17 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:45:56 +0000 Subject: Vista Cruise Control Install All, Just installed the Vista Cruise control on my '96 PC and it only took about 30 minutes. All I did was remove the endcap, and stick a long narrow round screw driver in between the grip and throttle and roll the grip about a inch out. Then took the cruise control and cut most of the bottom lip "ears" off leaving about 1/4 inch left. Then took a Dremmel tool and after marking where the control goes cut a small slot in the bottom of the throttle housing. Then with the cruise control in place, locked the set screw down and checked for free play. After some adjusting and cutting the control sets in place and the throttle does not stick. I have a little ride to Morence, Arizona this weekend and will try to use the new cruise control to thoroughly "check it out". ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews CNA/CNE Novell Certified Netware Engineer 1996 Honda Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" ________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 23:23:18 +0600 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: a newbie... Content-Id: <19_62_1_839992998> Pauly, How did you find out that only 5000 '89 PCs were brought to the U.S.? --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:52:23 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:52:23 +1000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Oz S.O.S. Help, Help, Help! I can't believe it but I had a failure! 2 in fact and surely they MUST be related. At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. So far only checked the lower end of speedo cable as it is easy to get at, seems fine. Shop manual hints it may be a fuse, but I would think if so the odometer would still work. ANY ideas MOST appreciated. Ron Grant 10,000 miles away! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Aug 1996 05:18:28 -0500 Lines: 34 >>>>> "RG" == Ron Grant writes: RG> At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, odometer AND turn signal RG> automatic cancel function stopped working. OK, speedo is connected directly to the cancel unit (via the white/black stripe wire that snakes through a bunch of the harness). To check the speed sensor, you'll have to go to the rear of the meter housing. I think you can just remove both mirrors, the windscreen and the whole front fairing. If not, you have to keep pulling: Center covers (under handlebars) Air ducts on front fairing sides Both side covers (just below tank and front seat, one on each side) The top shelter (the fake tank) Then the meter visor. (It's a lot easier than it sounds; just keep all of the screws organized.) Anyway, then disconnect the speedo cable from the meter housing, put the bike on the centerstand, have somebody sit on the rear, and turn the front seat. The cable should turn; if not, replace the cable. If it does turn, grab an ohmmeter, stick it on the white/black and green/black terminals that come out of the back of the speedo housing, put a properly sized allen (hex key) wrench in the speedometer cable socket and turn it. The meter should alternate from 0 to infinity four times for every turn of the wrench. If not, you need a new speed sensing unit. My guess is that it's the speedo cable, but who knows? Someone here with a parts fiche can give you the part numbers if you need them. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Aug 1996 05:18:28 -0500 Lines: 34 >>>>> "RG" == Ron Grant writes: RG> At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, odometer AND turn signal RG> automatic cancel function stopped working. OK, speedo is connected directly to the cancel unit (via the white/black stripe wire that snakes through a bunch of the harness). To check the speed sensor, you'll have to go to the rear of the meter housing. I think you can just remove both mirrors, the windscreen and the whole front fairing. If not, you have to keep pulling: Center covers (under handlebars) Air ducts on front fairing sides Both side covers (just below tank and front seat, one on each side) The top shelter (the fake tank) Then the meter visor. (It's a lot easier than it sounds; just keep all of the screws organized.) Anyway, then disconnect the speedo cable from the meter housing, put the bike on the centerstand, have somebody sit on the rear, and turn the front seat. The cable should turn; if not, replace the cable. If it does turn, grab an ohmmeter, stick it on the white/black and green/black terminals that come out of the back of the speedo housing, put a properly sized allen (hex key) wrench in the speedometer cable socket and turn it. The meter should alternate from 0 to infinity four times for every turn of the wrench. If not, you need a new speed sensing unit. My guess is that it's the speedo cable, but who knows? Someone here with a parts fiche can give you the part numbers if you need them. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Aug 1996 05:18:28 -0500 Lines: 34 >>>>> "RG" == Ron Grant writes: RG> At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, odometer AND turn signal RG> automatic cancel function stopped working. OK, speedo is connected directly to the cancel unit (via the white/black stripe wire that snakes through a bunch of the harness). To check the speed sensor, you'll have to go to the rear of the meter housing. I think you can just remove both mirrors, the windscreen and the whole front fairing. If not, you have to keep pulling: Center covers (under handlebars) Air ducts on front fairing sides Both side covers (just below tank and front seat, one on each side) The top shelter (the fake tank) Then the meter visor. (It's a lot easier than it sounds; just keep all of the screws organized.) Anyway, then disconnect the speedo cable from the meter housing, put the bike on the centerstand, have somebody sit on the rear, and turn the front seat. The cable should turn; if not, replace the cable. If it does turn, grab an ohmmeter, stick it on the white/black and green/black terminals that come out of the back of the speedo housing, put a properly sized allen (hex key) wrench in the speedometer cable socket and turn it. The meter should alternate from 0 to infinity four times for every turn of the wrench. If not, you need a new speed sensing unit. My guess is that it's the speedo cable, but who knows? Someone here with a parts fiche can give you the part numbers if you need them. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:44:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. Hi Ron: Sounds like a problem with either the speedometer drive or the cable itself. I had the drive fail on my Gold Wing once. The rubber that bonded the drive plate to the drive spline failed. A quick check would be do jack up the front, spin the wheel, and observe the output for movement. If it is the drive plate, there may be a replacement without having to replace the entire drive. There was for the Wing, but that was many years ago. I'm on the road right now; so, I don't have my service manual to check out the parts diagram. Another possibility is that the cable simply has disconnected at the output end. This doesn't seem likely, but it could have been improperly tightened by a mechanic at some point in the past. The final possibility that comes to mind is that the cable has sheared. I wish you good luck in isolating the problem and an easy fix when found. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:56:59 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. Speedometer cable part no.: 44830-MR5-000 (all years) Roger > Help, Help, Help! I can't believe it but I had a failure! 2 in fact and > surely they MUST be related. At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, > odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. So far > only checked the lower end of speedo cable as it is easy to get at, seems > fine. Shop manual hints it may be a fuse, but I would think if so the > odometer would still work. ANY ideas MOST appreciated. Ron Grant 10,000 > miles away! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 06:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Paul Hayes Cc: pc800 , "Donald R. Hamilton" Subject: RE: a newbie... > Reply from Pauly: Welcome to the club Donald! A woman was admiring a black '95 PC800 saying "have you ever > seen a bike like this?! Isn't it gorgeous?! Last week, I was on my PC preparing to pull out of a curb parking space, when a man and woman walked by. The woman said "Isn't that a beautiful motorcycle?" To which the man replied, "It looks like something out of a Japanese cartoon." That was a new one on me, but the guy was right in a way. You have to be familiar with Japanese comics to appreciate it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:58:30 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I dropped my Baby. Hi, all, Well, I miss share the guilt and stupidity I feel after dropping my sweet, formerly pristine '89. I was in front of my house and attempting a move I'd done a zillion times: a simple U-turn. I got almost all the way through it when the front end when up on the low curb....again, something I have encountered a zillion time. For some unknown reason, when the bike went up the curb I did not keep on the gas slightly, but HIT THE BRAKES...since the front tire was aimed almost full right the laws of physics took over and I found myself down in an instant. It's just incredible how quickly it happens. Damage report: The pop-off mirrors do indeed work as advertised altho there is now a slight ding on the end. The crash covers also worked and got scraped very nicely. I ordered a front and rear replacement for a cost of $70.00, which didn't seem too bad. The only human body part injured was my left leg, which I found confusing since the bike fell on my right one. Lesson learned: If I had pulled that maneuver in front of my MSF buddies I would be hearing about it forever. As it is, my wife will do her part to not let me forget. But I did learn, once and for all, that stopping the bike in that position, with the weight on an uneven surface, is a VERY bad idea. Gees, I feel better now. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:02:22 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Oz S.O.S. << Help, Help, Help! I can't believe it but I had a failure! 2 in fact and > surely they MUST be related. At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, > odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. So far > only checked the lower end of speedo cable as it is easy to get at, seems > fine. Shop manual hints it may be a fuse, but I would think if so the > odometer would still work. ANY ideas MOST appreciated. Ron Grant 10,000 > miles away! > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:32:48 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Gasket leakage My apologies for not remembering who requested this information but: I pulled the heat exhaust panels, as instucted, and did not see any evidence of oil leakage between the cylinder block and head. On each side there was only about an inch or two of visible gasket but it looked and felt clean. Was I looking in the right place? '90 with 3600mi. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: PC800 list Subject: RE: a newbie... On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Richard A. Hardy wrote: > Last week, I was on my PC preparing to pull out of a curb parking space, > when a man and woman walked by. The woman said "Isn't that a beautiful > motorcycle?" To which the man replied, "It looks like something out of a > Japanese cartoon." That was a new one on me, but the guy was right in a > way. You have to be familiar with Japanese comics to appreciate it. A Harley rider walked up to me and my wife and her PC in Steamboat Springs once and commented "That thing looks like a fucking car." It had never occurred to me before, and I was deeply appreciative that he took the time and care to let us know. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 13:44:20 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: a newbie... James Hyder wrote: Pauly, How did you find out that only 5000 '89 PCs were brought to the U.S.? --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles Paul's Reply: I heard it through the grape-vine, and I was only off by about 100%! But now I stand corrected. According to Ray Nelson: ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ray Nielsen Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 1996 3:52 PM To: Paul Hayes Subject: RE: a newbie... ... From a conversation with a Honda exec at a Homecoming in Marysville, OH a few years back I learned that they imported about 10,300 -- 89s and almost 14,000 -- 90 models. It took Honda until early 93 to clear the warehouses of them. Here in Minnesota they were going fairly cheap -- I paid $4195 for a new 89 in 1991, others I know paid $4795 for 90 models that were new in the crate in 92. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 13:51:05 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Eric Matthews" Subject: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic brand. The HondaLine cover is $95 at the shops where I live. I'm inclined to do it anticipating that it will fit better than a more generic cover. If you own one, what do you think? Also, what color is it (the rep said it only comes in one color but didn't know what it was). Second question: has anyone purchased a Nose Mask? Normally I wouldn't think of buying one, but I'm on the freeway so much (regrettably) that I'm contemplating getting one to keep the chipping to a reasonable level. Does anyone have one? Thanks. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Eric Matthews Sent: Monday, August 12, 1996 6:38 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: JC Whitney Finally received the catalog, and have 2 subscription cards. If anyone would like me to mail one out for you let me know. You can have any three of the following types of catalogs: general big catalog; motorcycle; volkswagen; automotive tools; rv; pickup; jeep; sport utility. First two take 'em. E. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:47:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. At 06:52 PM 8/14/96 +1000, you wrote: >Help, Help, Help! I can't believe it but I had a failure! 2 in fact and >surely they MUST be related. At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, >odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. So far >only checked the lower end of speedo cable as it is easy to get at, seems >fine. Shop manual hints it may be a fuse, but I would think if so the >odometer would still work. ANY ideas MOST appreciated. Ron Grant 10,000 >miles away! Funny you should mention it Ron. Cory just had the exact same problem with his '89 last week. We both went "DUH!" when we realized that the auto cancell feature uses speed for it's algorithm, so we are sure that as soon as the speedo is fixed (likely a broken cable, but haven't heard from Cory yet) the cancell feature will be back. Anyone else had this problem? What year is your PC? Something we should start tracking? Ron, try pulling out the cable from the bottom. If it comes out you will know if it is broken or not. If not, oops... sounds like the speedo itself might be broken, hopefully just an easily replaceable gear. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:17:30 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Body Cover When I bought my PC from Ed Johnson, it came with a cover which works very well. Don't know the brand, but it has a tag that says "No. 100 Full Dress", and was made by Dow Canvas for the cover seller. It looks very much like a Guardian I got for another bike, with regards to color and vents. I'd recommend getting one that fits well, I know of 3 instances of bikes blowing over (at the parking lot at work), a Beemer (mine, twice) and one Gold Wing. In severe storms, the cover can balloon out and act like a sail; I think a tight fit would minimize that. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:23:57 -0700 (MST) To: "Paul Hayes" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Eric Matthews" From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask At 13:51 8/14/96 UT, Paul Hayes wrote: >Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic >brand. The HondaLine cover is $95 at the shops where I live. I'm inclined to >do it anticipating that it will fit better than a more generic cover. If you >own one, what do you think? Also, what color is it (the rep said it only >comes in one color but didn't know what it was). > The Hondaline PC800 cover is silver. It has HONDA printed, with the logo, in a couple of places. It has a soft cloth liner where the cover comes in contact with the windscreen. It has elastic around the bottom for a snug fit. Yes, it fits better than a generic, but a GOOD quality generic will also work just fine. I've found that most GOOD quality generics cost within $15 of the Hondaline cover, so I opted for the Hondaline. Then it got stolen. I replaced it with a generic which has never been touched. >Second question: has anyone purchased a Nose Mask? Normally I wouldn't think >of buying one, but I'm on the freeway so much (regrettably) that I'm >contemplating getting one to keep the chipping to a reasonable level. Does >anyone have one? > I do not own the nose mask, but I saw one at a dealership. It fits well and looks okay, I guess... if you like that look. Frankly, I haven't experienced a big chipping problem in my 20K+ miles on the PC800, but the bugs sure like to die on the front of my bike. I've just never seen enough reason to own the mask, but maybe others have a different opinion. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Paul Hayes'" Subject: RE: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:38:03 -0700 Body cover? If this is a cycle cover I guess it depends on you need. If you are looking for something with good protection for leaving your bike out every night there are a multitude of choices. Fit is not too important as there are choices that will fit over the trunk and windshield. These covers are big and bulky and will take up a lot of space in your trunk. As for price $95 is a little high compared to other brands. I currently have a Dow Canvas cover I use when I need to leave the bike outside. If you are looking for something portable to keep the dust and rain off while road tripping I'd recommend the EZ cover. It's parashute nylon and is a half cover (top half). It packs small enough to fit in your helmet. I highly recommend for the touring crowd 'cause you can use it to keep you gear out of site and dry when you stop at a restaurant or camp for the evening. The list archives have the price and phone number for the company in Bend,OR. The bra for the PC800 is kinda cool, especially on the pear' PC's. Dave Gross has one on his bike you'll have to see sometime. He live up in north Seattle somewhere's so he's not far off your commute. Incidently I have very few scratches and no chipping on my PC up front. It's cleaning off bug guts that the bra really comes in handy for. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Pegasus Apps: Microsoft Corp,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Paul Hayes[SMTP:Pauly@msn.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 6:51 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Eric Matthews >Subject: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask > >Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic >brand. The HondaLine cover is $95 at the shops where I live. I'm inclined >to >do it anticipating that it will fit better than a more generic cover. If you >own one, what do you think? Also, what color is it (the rep said it only >comes in one color but didn't know what it was). > >Second question: has anyone purchased a Nose Mask? Normally I wouldn't think >of buying one, but I'm on the freeway so much (regrettably) that I'm >contemplating getting one to keep the chipping to a reasonable level. Does >anyone have one? > >Thanks. - pauly > >---------- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Eric Matthews >Sent: Monday, August 12, 1996 6:38 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: JC Whitney > >Finally received the catalog, and have 2 subscription cards. If anyone >would like me to mail one out for you let me know. You can have any three >of the following types of catalogs: general big catalog; motorcycle; >volkswagen; automotive tools; rv; pickup; jeep; sport utility. First two >take 'em. > >E. >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:59:24 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask >These covers are big and bulky and will take up a lot of >space in your trunk. I commute and use the cover daily at work. When I got the bike, as well as the cover came an Eclipse tail pack; it has a main compartment with 3 extra pockets on the outside. The cover fits easily in the main compartment, I cram it in like a stuff sack. Works well for daily, no-passenger riding. Kinda have trouble if the wife says to pick up a big bag of dog food on the way home. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:57:17 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask Paul Hayes wrote: > > Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic brand. I'm interested in TOUR KING - THE OVERNIGHTER ( http://www.abilene.com/tourking/ ). I have not seen one in person yet. But on the first cool day this fall, I'm going to ride up to Abilene and take a look. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "Bryce Ulrich" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Paul Hayes'" Subject: Re: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:52:23 -0400 It seems you would have to remove the bra occasionally to clean up the dirt, etc that gets underneath. Paint chips are few. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: Bryce Ulrich > To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'; 'Paul Hayes' > Subject: RE: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask > Date: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 2:38 PM > > Body cover? If this is a cycle cover I guess it depends on you need. > If you are looking for something with good protection for leaving your > bike out every night there are a multitude of choices. Fit is not too > important as there are choices that will fit over the trunk and > windshield. These covers are big and bulky and will take up a lot of > space in your trunk. As for price $95 is a little high compared to > other brands. I currently have a Dow Canvas cover I use when I need to > leave the bike outside. > > If you are looking for something portable to keep the dust and rain off > while road tripping I'd recommend the EZ cover. It's parashute nylon > and is a half cover (top half). It packs small enough to fit in your > helmet. I highly recommend for the touring crowd 'cause you can use it > to keep you gear out of site and dry when you stop at a restaurant or > camp for the evening. The list archives have the price and phone number > for the company in Bend,OR. > > The bra for the PC800 is kinda cool, especially on the pear' PC's. Dave > Gross has one on his bike you'll have to see sometime. He live up in > north Seattle somewhere's so he's not far off your commute. Incidently > I have very few scratches and no chipping on my PC up front. It's > cleaning off bug guts that the bra really comes in handy for. > > -bryceu > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 > Program Manager - Pegasus Apps: Microsoft Corp,Redmond,WA > '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" > AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > >---------- > >From: Paul Hayes[SMTP:Pauly@msn.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 6:51 AM > >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Eric Matthews > >Subject: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask > > > >Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic > >brand. The HondaLine cover is $95 at the shops where I live. I'm inclined > >to > >do it anticipating that it will fit better than a more generic cover. If you > >own one, what do you think? Also, what color is it (the rep said it only > >comes in one color but didn't know what it was). > > > >Second question: has anyone purchased a Nose Mask? Normally I wouldn't think > >of buying one, but I'm on the freeway so much (regrettably) that I'm > >contemplating getting one to keep the chipping to a reasonable level. Does > >anyone have one? > > > >Thanks. - pauly > > > >---------- > >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Eric Matthews > >Sent: Monday, August 12, 1996 6:38 PM > >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > >Subject: JC Whitney > > > >Finally received the catalog, and have 2 subscription cards. If anyone > >would like me to mail one out for you let me know. You can have any three > >of the following types of catalogs: general big catalog; motorcycle; > >volkswagen; automotive tools; rv; pickup; jeep; sport utility. First two > >take 'em. > > > >E. > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > >-- > >Visit the PC800 web page at > >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:03:27 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Ron Grant Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. Ron Grant wrote: > > Help, Help, Help! At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, > odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. Remain calm! Get a cold beer first and then we'll "talk". OK, Let's check the easy stuff first. 1) Raise front wheel just enough to spin the tire. 2) Remove speedometer cable from drive housing. 3) Spin tire and verify that the worm gear drive is actually turning. 4) If that's OK, get a reversible power drill with a screwdriver bit approximately the same size as the worm gear drive. 5) Set the drill to turn in the proper direction and insert the bit into the speedometer cable end. (Don't let the cable protrude beyond the outer housing) 6) Have a friend watch the speedometer. 7) Not OK? Remove speedometer cable and check that the other end isn't broken or rounded off. (The last inch or so will be square to fit into the speedometer) 8) Remote possibility exists that it could also be just slightly too short to make consistent engagement. This happened to me with an '81 Suzuki GS-450E. 9) Also remote possibility is that speedometer itself has failed. We won't talk about the electrics just yet as it takes a while to trace the wiring schematic in the factory manual (Because they refuse to use a color schematic). I would next check for the proper routing of the speedometer cable. If the cable is not properly secured in the guide under the headlight, there is a small chance of the cable catching the turn-signal angle sensor. This would most likely happen under braking, which would bow the cable back towards the sensor. If this is indeed the case, it would explain the simultaneous failures. I hope this has been of some help. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:11:53 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Michael Dube Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: a newbie... Michael Dube wrote: > A Harley rider walked up to me and my wife and her PC in Steamboat Springs > once and commented "That thing looks like a ******* car." What kind of a car was that? :-o ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:46:50 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, ultspnch@ecn.net.au cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. Very precise. Except you forgot to tell him what to do with the "chilly"..... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DANCOTE@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:26:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Tires & Speakers Anyone else had similar circumstance? If so, what did you do? --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PC800: Tires & Speakers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-08-14 20:59:34 EDT From: DAN COTE To: neville.simmons@ssa.co.uk In a message dated 96-07-12 04:34:30 EDT, you write: << As a UK based PC800 owner.... Despite the fact that for some reason Honda never imported the PC800 into the UK there are a few here in use as taxi-bikes! Spares can be got from Honda Europe provided you know the part number and there are aboout three companies that manufacture replacement screens - we do not see Rifle here. >> Hi! I work for the BOEING company and we've just been awarded a contract to upgrade the UK's Nimrod aircraft as a subcontractor to British Aerospace. I've been offered a position with the team that will be doing the work at Warton. I'm considering shipping my '89 PC over to use while I'm there. I've contacted a firm in Canada to do the shipping. Do you have any words of wisdom to share with me with respect to riding in England, licensing the vehicle, insurance, service for the bike while it's there, etc.? Thanx, Dan Cote ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mcwilson@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:52:18 -0400 To: asb@cisco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: insurance - GEICO Have you heard tails of their bait and switch rate quotations? Could be lots of fun when you cancel your current insurance and find that they can't honor their initial estimate. I like the idea of a good-clients-only insurance option. Just wish it was more accurately represented! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 01:30:21 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: propel@ix.netcom.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: want to sign up! I think I overlooked your message. To join, just connect to the web site listed below and follow the directions. This is a lively alias, and you're more than welcome. WARNING: proceed at your own risk, you might become a PC800 convert! I ended up buying my PC only after spending some time on the alias. The fellow who I nearly bought my PC from (down in TX) was selling his because he had ordered a Honda Valkyrie. He'll be taking delivery of it at the end of the month. They look awesome, but too much bike for me at the moment, as I'm just starting out. Question: how long is that bike? It looks 10 feet long in the pictures I've seen! Talk to you soon! - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Gary Williams Sent: Thursday, August 08, 1996 8:10 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: want to sign up! Hello, I came across this system while doing a net search for cyclecomm information. The emails seem to be very interesting and I would like to know how I could hook up. My internet address is propel@ix.netcom.com. I ride a 1997 Honda Valkyrie and a 1995 Harley Davidson Dynaglide Convertible. Thanks for any information! Sincerely, Gary Williams ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HTBIII@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:13:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FS: 1990 PC (DC area) Hi all: I am a former listmember, recently retired form the listserver because I am selling the bike. If you know anyone in the Mid-Antlantic area who might be interested, please let 'em know. Reply directly to my e-mail or by phone (below). Thanks. I have a 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (the red one). It was originally sold in 1992 to a guy who had it for a year. I bought it from him in February 1993 and have been using it, mainly for commuting, plus a few longer trips, religiously since then. Here's the scoop: standard PC features, including: great coverage fairing/windshield, comfortable seat, relaxed upright riding position, loads (!) of trunk space, auto-like dash guages new (w/in last year) items include: tires, battery, brake pads consistent service, including regular oil changes, recent full tune up & complete lube AM/FM stereo radio with better (stronger) aftermarket antenna passenger back rest heated hand grips (Hot Grips brand) OSI full cover (the sturdy one) Send an e-mail (htbiii@aol.com OR htbyron@mayerbrown.com) for more info or call me at 703-998-8541 Tom Byron, Arlington VA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 02:36:13 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HTBIII@aol.com Subject: RE: FS: 1990 PC (DC area) Price? ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of HTBIII@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 7:13 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FS: 1990 PC (DC area) Hi all: I am a former listmember, recently retired form the listserver because I am selling the bike. If you know anyone in the Mid-Antlantic area who might be interested, please let 'em know. Reply directly to my e-mail or by phone (below). Thanks. I have a 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (the red one). It was originally sold in 1992 to a guy who had it for a year. I bought it from him in February 1993 and have been using it, mainly for commuting, plus a few longer trips, religiously since then. Here's the scoop: standard PC features, including: great coverage fairing/windshield, comfortable seat, relaxed upright riding position, loads (!) of trunk space, auto-like dash guages new (w/in last year) items include: tires, battery, brake pads consistent service, including regular oil changes, recent full tune up & complete lube AM/FM stereo radio with better (stronger) aftermarket antenna passenger back rest heated hand grips (Hot Grips brand) OSI full cover (the sturdy one) Send an e-mail (htbiii@aol.com OR htbyron@mayerbrown.com) for more info or call me at 703-998-8541 Tom Byron, Arlington VA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 02:33:55 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "Pat Hayes" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Purchase advice to Pat in OH Pat, I'm really glad you're shoppin' for a PC. There are a lot of riders in the mid-west. I almost bought a PC from the Dallas area, and have recieved posts from people in Minnesota and Iowa. Some advice about how to go about buying a PC: Availability: It's like buying any other kind of vehicle - or boat (you know what that's like), except there are generally fewer to choose from. Still, you'll be amazed at how many come up for sale. They sell fast though. I'm a good example. Over a three week period, I had the chance to buy four different bikes in the year I wanted: one in Durham, NC, one in Dallas TX, One in Medford OR, and one about 20 miles down the road from where I work near Seattle, WA. If you know what you want and are patient, the bike will find you. Know what you want: know what colors you like and don't. Each year there's only one color. Look at all the pictures of bikes on the web site. After about 15 minutes up there, I decided that I had to have an '89 - for the color. Yeah, I know ... silly. Anyway, think about how many miles you'll accept, how many scratches, etc. The bike in NC mentioned above had a broke mirror casing and some minor scuffs. That would have been OK because you can get replacement parts easy enough. I was very close to making an offer, but the question of how to move it came up. Then the one in TX came available, and I was all over it. But again, the move was intimidating. Just then I found one in great shape in a local paper. Great luck! View some bikes: Go to your dealer and look at some new ones. Even if you don't want a new one, the bike has not changed noticably since it's introduction! About the only thing that changes besides the color is how much you have to spend. Drive one/ Ride one: If you have the permit, go for a spin. If not, ask someone to take you for a spin. Even though you will have seen enough on the email alias to be sold on the bike, there's no better testimonial than the one at 60 MPH. Get a sense for how the bike handles, what it feels like in the wind, in corners, at the stop light, etc. When you've found one, there is a process to go through before sitting down to write the check. There are some key questions you need answered about the bike. See earlier posts regarding what to ask, how much to offer, etc. Also generally, PC owners know what their bikes are worth, and are generally fair. However, there are always exceptions. All things being equal you will also see some variance from region to region depending on the regional economy, availability of the bike, etc. Colors (based on the photos on the Web): '89 Pearl '90 Red '94 Black '95 Black '96 Red '97 (?) - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Pat Hayes Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 12:27 PM To: Bryce Ulrich; Paul Hayes Subject: RE: Parts ... At 11:38 08/14/96 -0700, Bryce Ulrich wrote: >Body cover? If this is a cycle cover I guess it depends on you need. >... >>---------- >>From: Paul Hayes[SMTP:Pauly@msn.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 6:51 AM >>Subject: Parts Questions: Body Cover, Nose Mask >>Any recommendations on purchasing a HondaLine body cover over a more generic >>... ...hey! No fair! You guys have too much PC stuff up there in the Northwest. What's a poor Buckeye like myself s'posed to do?! If you have any leads on a decent (cheap-ish) PC800, you have to let me know. I can catch a hop out there and ride it back. Keep in touch, Pat Hayes (Pauly's bike-less bro) p.s. - I emailed the guy in TX; still waiting... (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:40:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:31:34 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , "Alan D. Smith" Subject: Re: I dropped my Baby. Alan, welcome to the club!!! 1 week after getting brand new plastic, I backed my bike in front of my car, and scraped the rear guard cover on the car's license plate... DOH! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:37:30 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:37:30 +1000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Oz Speedo Fix Thanks to Jason, Roger, Juan et al who have sent SO many hints/ideas re my speedo problem. I stuck them all in my mailbox and will synthesize before tackling the job this w/end. Sound s easy the way you guys tell it! Will keep you posted. Regards, RON. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 06:28:12 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800 From: "Steven D. Turner" Subject: RE: a newbie... High everyone, I am new to this subscription. I know some of my questions may have been asked before. How can I go to the archives? Is it possible to send pics of bikes attached to this letter(attachments "mime/Bin hex"). They seem to work when I send it through regular ed-mail. My ride is an 89 PC800(25,000 mi),it has the tall Honda solar stove windshield, the common scraping inside the trunk from the rear tire, and I have the expensive Honda radio we/ some controls on the bars.ML2fr, ML2+ rear. I need info on luggage rack/backrest, large trunk mounted on luggage rack. The Corbin seat is nice but does not offer an accessories trunk on top. I also need any info on possible easy configurations to upgrade my stock sound system. I am looking for clubs or riding groups in the Harris County, Texas area. Thanx Steven D. Turner ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Juan A. Goula'" , "'PC800'" Subject: AW: Oz S.O.S. Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 07:12:21 +-200 Yep. I had exactly the same problem and it was fixed when my speedo was fixed. ---------- Van: Juan A. Goula[SMTP:jgoula@ims.alaska.edu] Verzonden: woensdag 14 augustus 1996 10:47 Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Onderwerp: Re: PC800: Oz S.O.S. At 06:52 PM 8/14/96 +1000, you wrote: >Help, Help, Help! I can't believe it but I had a failure! 2 in fact and >surely they MUST be related. At exactly the same time Both my Speedometer, >odometer AND turn signal automatic cancel function stopped working. So far >only checked the lower end of speedo cable as it is easy to get at, seems >fine. Shop manual hints it may be a fuse, but I would think if so the >odometer would still work. ANY ideas MOST appreciated. Ron Grant 10,000 >miles away! Funny you should mention it Ron. Cory just had the exact same problem with his '89 last week. We both went "DUH!" when we realized that the auto cancell feature uses speed for it's algorithm, so we are sure that as soon as the speedo is fixed (likely a broken cable, but haven't heard from Cory yet) the cancell feature will be back. Anyone else had this problem? What year is your PC? Something we should start tracking? Ron, try pulling out the cable from the bottom. If it comes out you will know if it is broken or not. If not, oops... sounds like the speedo itself might be broken, hopefully just an easily replaceable gear. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:53:12 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: Paul Hayes Cc: Pat Hayes , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Purchase advice to Pat in OH Were did you find all of the listings? Dave Fial ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:16:34 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HTBIII@aol.com Subject: Re: FS: 1990 PC (DC area) My standard ? Why the sale???? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:23:30 -0400 To: fialdj@i2020.net, Paul Hayes From: Pat Hayes Subject: Re: Purchase advice to Pat in OH Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dave! If you have a WWW browser, crank in this URL: http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/ It should get you to a search-able (your browser has to do 'FORMS') index of all the PC800 email list activity. It is way cool! Good luck! Pat +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 09:53 08/15/96 -0400, David J. Fial wrote: >Were did you find all of the listings? > >Dave Fial >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:35:16 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: story I recently e-mailed a friend, asking how life was on his new V-Max. Thought you might enjoy his reply: I'm out riding the Max one evening when I come across some kid on a CBR 900RR. He pulls out in front of me and pulls a wheelie for about a block. Seemed to me he enjoyed using the power of the bike to keep the wheel about a foot off the ground. Cool. Okay, now I follow him to a stop sign. He looks both ways, and then very carefully blasts off. Pulls the front wheel for another block or so. Very cool. So I'm thinking - The Max is "supposed" to be King Kong, yet when they write about the 900RR, it's the fastest sportbike. Maybe we ought to find out who's who. Come to another stop sign at the end of the road. Coincidentally, we're both making a left. I'm behind him, and there's no other traffic. He makes his left turn, I make mine. He squares it off and hammers it. I hammer the Max as he's about 200 feet in front of me. First gear goes by so fast I barely noticed it. We both slam second gear at about the same time. He never let the front wheel touch the ground. At 6500 RPM the V-Boost kicks in. Very similar to pricking a balloon with a pin. Just as I'm catching third gear I'm forced to let off. I'd have driven over the top of him! Apparently he'd been watching me in the mirrors and knew he'd been beat. As we continued down the road he kept sneaking looks at me. When he finally got an eye full at the next stop light, I'm certain I could read his mind. Not only had he been beat, but it was done by this old fart on a standard! How embarrassing! Heh heh heh. Life is good. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:55:04 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: story Life is good. What a great story. Hey gang, how can I shoe horn in a V-Max motor to the PC?????? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'propel@ix.netcom.com'" , "'Paul Hayes'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: want to sign up! Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:24:18 -0700 ><> The Valkyrie is 8 ft long. >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 >Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" >AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 15 Aug 1996 12:00:56 -0500 (CDT) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA26972; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:55:43 -0700 (MST) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA18415; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:55:33 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:55:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Newbie; backrest & trunk; which years red? To: "Steven D. Turner" , pc800 At 06:28 8/15/96 -0500, Steven D. Turner wrote: > >My ride is an 89 PC800(25,000 mi),it has the tall Honda solar >stove windshield, Get a Rifle. >the common scraping inside the trunk from the rear tire, I'm sure it's been said in this group before, but the scraping on the '89 is a design defect that Honda acknowledges as THEIR mistake and they will retrofit a '90 trunk assembly onto your '89 free, just for the asking. (At least they did in my case after I had placed a helmet into the left side and the tire rubbed all the way through the black plastic of the trunk assembly and took the paint off the helmet, too. By the time I finished with the Honda Regional Service Manager, Honda bought me a new Shoei RF200 as well!) > >I need info on luggage rack/backrest, large trunk mounted on >luggage rack. I'd be curious to hear what others have to say about that too. I will say this about the backrest... I was very unhappy with the short backrest accessory available from Honda. My passenger(s) said it was very uncomfortable and not useful. I wanted one that would match. So the first thing I did was climb the ladder of Honda bureaucracy, kicking, screaming, stomping and threatening to hold my breath until I turned blue until I had finally gotten someone to have a few yards of the '89 PC800 seat cover material shipped to me directly from Japan (it was not cheap and they asked me never to make a request like that again... really). But once I had it, I removed and disassembled the short backrest and used the metal plate inside as a template and on a 1/4" sheet of masonite I widened the angles a little and I projected the basic shape of the plate into a much taller backrest plate -- one that is about 3+" across the top and the same width as the existing plate on the bottom. I marked the location of the bolt holes from the existing plate and drilled them so that the mounting bolts would slike freely through them. Then I put the short backrest back together and remounted it on the bike. Then I cut out the new plate template from the masonite. I then took the masonite piece to a sheet metal fabricator and had them make a 3/8" steel plate version with the sharp edges buffed off and nuts welded to the backs of the bolt holes. Finally, I took the bike (with the Hondaline accessory backrest mounted to it), the new steel plate and the few yards of material to a professional (good quality -- I shopped around) automobile upholsterer. I pointed to the existing backrest, handed him the steel plate and the material and said, "Here. Make a taller one of these out this stuff." The upholsterer already had the foam padding and everything else he needed (he's an upholsterer, after all!). And he knew how to make the seams look exactly like the Honda seems, and he put velcro on the flap, etc., etc. It was PERFECT. I did it more than three years ago, but as memory serves, the whole deal cost less than $200, including getting the material from Japan. I've never thought an accessory trunk would look right, but I'm game to hear if others have found a way. NOTE: A while back I posted the phone number of someone selling a red PC800 in the south Chicago suburbs (it's still for sale, by the way). I didn't know the year but it was red with a darker gray trim. Someone e-mailed me back (I can't remember who now) and said it had to be a '96. But I just wanted to say to whomever that was that I saw a '96 yesterday and it's the wrong red. The one I saw had the real pretty candy metallic red, deepened by multiple clearcoats. The '90 had a silver trim, so what does that leave, '94? Isn't '94 the only other year Honda made a red one? A little guidance from anyone out there who knows would be helpful. Of course it no longer matters to anyone, but now I'm curious. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:17:28 -0400 To: deselms@primenet.com, sturner@blkbox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: backrest adventure Greg, You are a madman!!!!!!! No one, and I MEAN NO ONE would go through all of that BS to create a taller, more comfortable backrest for a PASSENGER!!!!!!!!! Z PS. I'm designing a wicked, bad ass rack for the back of the bike, bolting on to the very same backrest bolts..... stainless steel, straps, ..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:16:22 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: deselms@primenet.com, "Steven, D., Turner"@dg-webo, , , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie; backrest & trunk; which years red? << To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Close Encounters ... I pulled up and parked next to an ST1100 last night. I told the guy that when people decide to sell their PC800, they often opt to get the ST1100. He agreed they do - he had originally had a PC but said it was too low for him, something about his knees rubbing when turning or something. Anyway, he also said he liked the ST1100, particularly that "it holds up well to deer..." To which I replied, "did you get a chance to test out that feature yet?" He then directed me over to the other side of his bike, where half his ferring had been... lets just say unwillingly removed. Turns out he had encountered a deer about a week ago on the Island early one morning on his way to work. I asked him how you respond in a situation like that. He said: "the best approach is to throttle up!" ... "Excuse me?" "Yea, most people don't know this, but you have the best chance of pulling through in one piece if you throttle up. I know of three different people who have encountered deer. Two throttled up, held on tight and rod through, the other one braked spilled and ended up in the hospital! The two who rode through came through it in much better shape" "So, how did you do?" Well, like my old football coach used to say, keep your head up, and drive on through. I hit the deer, but I stayed upright and came through without too many scratches." "OK, but I never would have reacted that way by instinct." Does anyone out there know of any encounters that support or contradict this theory? I'm not completely sold on it, but it sounds plausable. - pauly by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 15 Aug 1996 17:40:00 -0500 (CDT) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA25899; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:34:55 -0700 (MST) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA27483; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:34:50 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:34:50 -0700 (MST) From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Newbie; backrest & trunk; which years red? To: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince), "Steven, D., Turner"@dg-webo, sturner@blkbox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 15:16 8/15/96 -0400, Roger Prince wrote: > >1990 is the only factory candy glory red year. 94,95 both black. > If so, then two things about this bike-for-sale are true: 1. He has repainted the lower/trim portion because the '90 trim was much more silver. This trim is somewhat darker gray/metallic. 2. At $5,000 he's asking way too much. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:52:59 -0700 (MST) To: GuntherSki@aol.com, sturner@blkbox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: backrest adventure At 15:17 8/15/96 -0400, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: >Greg, > >You are a madman!!!!!!! No one, and I MEAN NO ONE would go through all of >that BS to create a taller, more comfortable backrest for a >PASSENGER!!!!!!!!! > >Z > You haven't seen the passenger. ;-) But seriously... Actually it sounds like more BS than it really was. In truth, it only took a couple of well-placed phone calls to get Honda to agree to ship me the material. All I did was wait for it. The hardest thing I did was draw the template on the masonite, and that only took 15 minutes. Disassembling the seatback and then reassembling and remounting was a breeze. The fabrication of the new metal plate took 10 minutes -- he did it while I watched. Admittedly, the fabrication of the finished backrest assembly took the whole afternoon, but it wasn't like I was doing the work personally. In fact, my passenger and I just went back to her place while we waited. And I WANT the passenger to be as comfortable as possible. Nothing messes-up a trip faster than getting 600 miles from home and having a whining passenger who swears she'll never get on the bike again or who threatens to take a cab to nearest airport as soon as I slow down enough for her to jump off. At moments like that, the $150 (and the few hours spent) seems like chump change. > >PS. I'm designing a wicked, bad ass rack for the back of the bike, bolting >on to the very same backrest bolts..... stainless steel, straps, ..... > Assuming you're not kidding around, I would say two things: 1. BS? Look who's talking, Sparky. :-) 2. I thought of that already, and it could work, but the backrest brackets would flex too much unless you figured out a way to support the trunk from underneath and that's where it starts to get tricky. You don't want to mar the look of the bike. Comments? Seeyalaterbye. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:11:47 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... >I pulled up and parked next to an ST1100 last night. I told the guy that when >people decide to sell their PC800, they often opt to get the ST1100. He >agreed they do - he had originally had a PC but said it was too low for him, >something about his knees rubbing when turning or something. Anyway, he also >said he liked the ST1100, particularly that "it holds up well to deer..." To >which I replied, "did you get a chance to test out that feature yet?" > >He then directed me over to the other side of his bike, where half his ferring >had been... lets just say unwillingly removed. Turns out he had encountered a >deer about a week ago on the Island early one morning on his way to work. I >asked him how you respond in a situation like that. > >He said: > "the best approach is to throttle up!" ... > > "Excuse me?" > > "Yea, most people don't know this, but you have > the best chance of pulling through in one piece > if you throttle up. I know of three different people > who have encountered deer. Two throttled up, > held on tight and rod through, the other one braked > spilled and ended up in the hospital! The two who > rode through came through it in much better shape" > > "So, how did you do?" > > Well, like my old football coach used to say, keep > your head up, and drive on through. I hit the deer, > but I stayed upright and came through without too > many scratches." > > "OK, but I never would have reacted that way by instinct." > >Does anyone out there know of any encounters that support or contradict this >theory? I'm not completely sold on it, but it sounds plausable. > > - pauly I had a similar experience with my first bike - a '78 Honda CX500. I came up on a deer standing at the side of the road - it was frozen (mesmerized by my head light). I flasshed my high beam & started to slow, but as I was about to pass it, I let off the brake (About 20 mph) and held on tight. As soon as my light passed it started to run. Unfortunately, it ran where it was looking (into me). Its head went through my windshield, its teeth dragged across my knee, it's shoulder hit the seat & took out the rear turn signal. It fell down cold - I just got pushed closer to the centerline of the road. I ended up with a bruised knee. I circled back & parked the bike next to it (lights on). 20 minutes later (just before the police arrived) - it got up, looked at me and took off (presumably with a hell of a headache!) Bike is still going strong - 70K miles. Still has the teeth marks across the gas tank! Moral of the story: 1) Deer are incredibly stupid animals - really just tall rats as far as I'm concerned. 2) If you can't stop, try to ride it through, mild acceleration could help if you have enough distance to get away before it can intersect you (otherwise let off the brake & focus on controlling the bike). What would motorcyle riding be if you couldn't tell war stories? Regards, Jeff M. **************************************************************************** The Following is current as of 1 December 1995: Jeffrey G. Morrison, Ph.D. Naval Command, Control and Ocean Survelliance Center RDT&E Division, Code 44210 53560 Hull Street San Diego, CA 92152-5001 Phone: (619) 553-9070 DEFTT Lab: (619) 553-7998 Fax: (619) 553-9229 E-Mail: jmorriso@nosc.mil HOME: 3675 Alexia Place San Diego, CA 92116-2236 (619) 280-8098 NOTE: Binary files are encoded with UUENCODE on a Macintosh computer by default. Use UUDECODE to restore. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:19:25 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rllemke@accutek.com (RL Lemke) Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... Hitting objects on a motorcycle: The dirt bike rule of thumb is to gas the bike whenever in doubt about a situation. My 26 years of experience has found this to be the best way to handle *any* trail obstruction. A deer is no different that a big log or rock. Although I doubt this practice would help if encountering a pickup truck (would not hurt any worse to try though). RL Turns out he had encountered a >deer about a week ago on the Island early one morning on his way to work. I >asked him how you respond in a situation like that. > >He said: > "the best approach is to throttle up!" ... > >Does anyone out there know of any encounters that support or contradict this >theory? I'm not completely sold on it, but it sounds plausable. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:14:26 -0700 (MST) To: "Paul Hayes" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... At 22:25 8/15/96 UT, Paul Hayes wrote: > >Does anyone out there know of any encounters that support or contradict this >theory? I'm not completely sold on it, but it sounds plausable. > Like most things in life, the correct answer is probably, "It depends." It depends on whether the deer is dead-on (no pun intended) in front of you and you're going to hit it squarely, or if (as in most cases, I suspect) it's going to be a glancing blow; plus how fast you're going, whether it's trying to get in front of you or if it decided to dodge behind you at the last second (or change directions altogether back to the side of the road), whether it even hears you coming, etc., etc., etc. If the deer is dead-on in front of you I suspect that throttling-up will merely ensure that the animal snaps your neck or spine (right after it rolls up over and snaps-off your windshield on its way "through" you) just a few milliseconds sooner than than it was going to anyway. Other than that small bit of predictability, I suspect there are no hard and fast rules for this sort of thing. Under the right circumstances, I can imagine that throttling-up might be just the ticket. One thing I'm pretty sure will have absolutely NO effect is the installation of those wacky plastic deer whistle things. At least everything I've ever heard about them is that they just don't work. (Comments anyone?) But this is a good thread you've started. Smacking into a deer is one of my few truly serious concerns about riding -- always has been. I'm sure I'm not alone in that concern. I've always wondered what I would do if one presented itself in my path at 60 mph, and I don't enjoy the tension I sometimes notice myself feeling as I'm riding through a national or state park or forest preserve at night. Does anybody out there have any good anti-deer-hitting or deer-hitting-survival advice? Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:06:45 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Close Encounters ... At 04:19 PM 8/15/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hitting objects on a motorcycle: The dirt bike rule of thumb is to gas the >bike whenever in doubt about a situation. My 26 years of experience has >found this to be the best way to handle *any* trail obstruction. A deer is >no different that a big log or rock. Although I doubt this practice would >help if encountering a pickup truck (would not hurt any worse to try >though). I doubt if the "When in doubt, gas it" technique would work with the "deer" we have up here. 8' tall and 900 lbs. of moose is not what you want to accelerate towards, sort of accelerating towards a Goldwing in your path! :-) Vigilance is the best technique, IMHO. Ride safe. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:37:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: story On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Life is good. > > What a great story. > > Hey gang, how can I shoe horn in a V-Max motor to the PC?????? > Turn that engine sideways and call the bike an ST1100. ;) Not quite the power of the Max, but a lot more bike. Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:47:58 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: story GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > Hey gang, how can I shoe horn in a V-Max motor to the PC?????? No, nyet, nein! How quickly we abandon our faith in the mighty V-Twin. What you want is the engine from the Britten 1000. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 22:16:39 +0600 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... Content-Id: <21_67_1_840161799> Pauly: (Re: speeding up to hit a deer.) Simple physics: all other things being equal, it's better to hit than be hit. And the higher your speed, the more gyroscopic force from your wheels to keep you stable after impact. Of course, this is theoretical, not based on personal experience. I make no warranties. And as Gregg said, hitting a deer squarely head on would probably not be a great idea. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Steven D. Turner" Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: a newbie... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Aug 1996 14:51:42 -0500 Lines: 24 >>>>> "SDT" == "Steven D Turner" writes: SDT> How can I go to the archives? I thought I wrote out good instructions in the message that gets sent when you subscribe, but perhaps I should look them over. In any case, you can point your web browser at the URL at the bottom of every message for lots of PC info, including a pointer to the archives. SDT> Is it possible to send pics of bikes attached to this SDT> letter(attachments "mime/Bin hex"). I will not allow them through. It's a waste of my bandwidth and most readers will not be able to decode them. SDT> I am looking for clubs or riding groups in the Harris County, Texas SDT> area. Well, you're pretty close to me, I suppose (University of Houston). I don't know of any local non-Harley (TM, all rights respected, please don't sue me) riding groups, though my dealer (Pasadena Honda) takes leisurely group rides once a month to eat in some unknown Texas spots. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:01:22 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... Hi all: The notion that a good way to deal with a potential collision with a deer (or other large critter) is to "gas it" is an interesting one. It has been suggested that it is a matter of simple physics, and I tend to agree. However, I think the physics of the situation would tend to discourage this approach rather than support it. That is, the severity of any collision is proportional to the energy that must be absorbed by the various objects involved, in this case the deer, the motorcycle, and the rider's body. The proportion that must be aborbed by each object is determined only by the geometry of the collision. The higher the speed, the greater the total energy and hence the greater the energy that affects each object. The conclusion from this is that if there is indeed going to be a collision, the lower the speed the better. It seems to me that the only time "gassing it" would be of benefit would be if it could result either in missing the deer completely or in a collision geometry that would turn a direct collision into a glancing one that allowed the bike would remain upright (Jim's suggestion that increased speed might provide increased stability could come into play here provided that the impact occurs behind the center of mass).. My direct experience with deer/moose is limited to four encounters over my total riding career. Of those, three of them were successful in that I was able to either stop prior to impact or swerve to the place the deer just vacated. The fourth was a collision at about 10 mph (after braking from about 60 mph and an attempt to swerve) It resulted in some cosmetic damage to my bike (at that time, a Gold Wing) as it slid to a stop on its side and some road rash on my shoulder and just below the knee as I did the same. The deer was gone by the time I got up. In none of these situations would "gassing it" have been of any help whatsoever. Who knows whether it will help if there is a next time, but it certainly is one of the three options available to us, and as such it should be considered. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:48:57 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... I think the physics of this general rule are even simpler than so far proposed. I think the rule's based on a desire to take weight off the front end. (On top of this I'm trying to figure out the Simple Physics of "It's Better To Strike Than Be Struck.") When you brake, you move weight to the front of the bike; when you apply power you move it off the front. In the case of our dear PC I don't think you can ever apply power in such a way as to completely lift the front wheel, but it's a matter of contributing to the solution instead of the problem. If you're forced to traverse a huge hole or a big piece of wood, it makes sense to have the front end light so it will more likely will go over the object, and you will be more likely to still have control afterwards. This logic doesn't apply with a deer at all, when other factors, like where your momentum is going to take you after your cycle's energy gets transferred to the animal, whether you can go over, or under it, are more important. I think I would be braking as hard as possible while retaining control under the circumstances; although I have had some not-quite-so-close encounters with moose that made me think of laying the bike over and sliding it and myself under the moose. Today- got my Rifle all polished, am heading to Bah Haba Maine for a conference that starts tomorrow noon, a 9 hour drive in the car, who cares how long on the bike. I'm leaving early, will drive as far as I feel like today. Maine Coastal Highway here I come! Back Monday & Tuesday with a different route, same method. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:49:23 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Close Encounters... >"the best approach is to throttle up!" ... >Does anyone out there know of any encounters that support or contradict this >theory? I'm not completely sold on it, but it sounds plausable. My ideas... Lessee, a bike that's going faster would be harder to deflect and make go down, would be more likely to bounce the deer off rather than the other way around. I hit one at 60, a glancing blow, got moved over but didn't go down... HOWEVER, in the split second that a deer pops out, a bike couldn't pick up enough speed to matter. Scratch that. Also, if you center-punch one, slower is probably lots better, and a bike can lose speed a lot faster than gain it. A bike under power is more stable than one under hard braking, but I don't think a blanket statement could be made that you should always accelerate. The 3 options, braking, swerving, or accelerating (and combinations of the above) should all be in your bag of tricks. Ride and practice until they become second nature. Do whatever's appropriate for the situation. >"OK, but I never would have reacted that way by instinct." I firmly believe in experience gained by riding dirt bikes; that way you can learn lots about control and develop those instinctive reactions in a way that you simply can't while riding on the street. MSF courses are good, but it takes a lot more practice than that; you can learn principles in them, but need to really put them to use and make them ingrained. The first time you experience a locked-up wheel shouldn't be in an emergency situation! Aside: I took the Experienced Rider Course, and thought they gave short shrift to the option of acceleration as a tool in avoiding an accident. Maybe it was just the instructor (not likely), or perhaps the spectre of liability suits... maybe someone more familiar with the course could elaborate on this... Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Close Encounters ... <960816010122_260933300@emout14.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:52:14 -0700 From: Andrew Beals Yes, if you think of two ideal bodies colliding, then it's best to cut your speed as much as possible in order to lower the force of impact. But a deer is not an ideal body. A deer is made of bone, flesh and sinew. If you're going fast enough [as proved by a ducati rider on skyline blvd. earlier this year], then you are going to split the deer in half, trash the front breakables on your bike, and survive [come to a controlled stop]. -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New list info From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Aug 1996 15:00:18 -0500 Lines: 97 I recently remarked to someone that I though the list info (sent when someone subscribes) was sufficient. Upon reading it, I found that it isn't. I really thought I had updated it, but it seems not. So, for all, here's a copy of the new list info. 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Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Aug 96 22:27:48 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Suggestions please . . . . . . Fellow PC Riders, Well, as I was heading North from New Jersey to Vermont for a few days respite, I realized that my stator was heading South. Luckily, I was able to bump start the bike ('89 bought new in '91 and now with 40,000 miles), yank the headlight plug and make it back the 70 miles home. Unlike most bikes, it wasn't that the turn signals flashed slower, only that indicators didn't seem as bright that gave it away. Of course, thanks to this mailing list, I have been vigilant. Just, in this case, unlucky. Anyway, I made it home and threw my stuff in my car and still got to Vermont on time! Too bad too, as the weather would hav been great for riding. So . . . . . Stator new from dealer was $266.00. Stator remanufactured from Rick's Cycle Enterprises, Inc in Plaistow, NH was $114.95 (find em on the web). The warranty six months and said they *never* come back. Also, a friend just got a starter from them for $175.00 vs the new Suzi model for $350.00. Not bad! They even give you a box to return the old one in prepaid. MY QUESTION . . . . . . . . . Some of the gasket material is a bear. Stuck to the engine side, not to the case side. Not a lot of room for a traditional gasket scraper to get in there, particularly under the flywheel. So . . . . . . thoughts on the best way to remove this stuff without scratching? Recommendations on tool ideas? Also, best sort of gasket removal chemicals? Lastly, I inadvertantly squeezed the clutch handle and got a healthy squirt out of the slave cylinder. Anyone had this thing apart? Should I clean out under the seal to get out any excess brake fluid? I will look at the shop manual but, would like some firsthand experiences. Thanks in advance, Dennis (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:50:30 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:50:30 +1000 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Speedo Fix?! Hellow again, Gents; Well I took all the advice and went at the top part, it was easy once I got off the shield and duct " thingey" , the speedo cable was loose to unscrew from THAT angle, and of course the center pulled out only 8" long! So a quick call to local dealer, using part no. 44830-MR5-000 , kindly proveded by a list member, brought the BAD news. Although I have often been successful in getting parts for my HELIX-ES, another Honda NOT sold in oz, the dealer's computer came up blank on this request. He did suggest that for any Honda cable, one does have to buy both out and inside parts as one, so I am preparing myself for a big $ number! So now I wonder if any list member can help me get the part. I have some yankee cash, I suspect the best way to do it would be if some kind member could get dealer price and go buy it, I suspect air mail would be about $5 or so. It would be better if it did not come directly from dealer to "ease" path thru customs, although if the cost is not too high, that is not a serious problem. So now I will go downstairs and re-activate the Helix for awhile. Any suggestions/help offers will be most appreciated. Ron Grant., Brisbane, Australia. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lawyer@pipeline.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 03:55:38 GMT To: GuntherSki@aol.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@usa.pipeline.com Subject: Re: Trip to the East Coast and Canada On Mon, Aug 12, 1996 10:04:45 AM, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: >My name is Todd Zedak. I'm from Chicago and I'm a member of HSAT as well as >the proud owner of a PC800. I'm an active member of the PC800 web group and >since I'm planning this rather far flung trip, I'd thought I'd seek some >advice. I'll be blazing across IN, OH, NY to Portland, ME to attend a wedding >the weekend of 8/24 - 8/25. > >Then it's north to Montreal for a few days, South to Toronto for a few more. >Down to Niagra Falls and back to Chicago. Would any of you folks be >interested in hooking up anywhere along to the way? I'm especially looking >for tips on the ride from ME to Montreal and from Montreal to Toronto Hi Todd, I recommend a visit to Quebec City, if it's not too far off your path. Like an inexpensive trip to Europe. Fairly bike friendly too. Have fun, - Jeff, in NYC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:41:01 -0400 To: rmathews@us1.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise Control Install I had the dealer at Huntington Honda install a Vista Cruise (I never seem to have time to do these things myself!!) as soon as I bought my '90. It's great and I can't imagine riding without it, now. I'm sure you'll really enjoy it. Phil ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 02:26:42 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800:The Rifle Windscreen I have had my Rifle Fairing and Windscreen for a few weeks. Actually I have had two windscreens. I originally installed a 22 inch screen, but I had to look through it or stretch uncomfortably to look over it. ( I am just under six feet tall. ) Courtesy of a fellow list member from the Twin Cities I acquired a 20 inch screen, which I installed on the fairing send by Rifle. The reinstallation was quite simple. I even managed to peal the insulating material from the 22 inch screen during its removal, to be used by the new 20 inch screen. The only damaged was the stripping of one of the vinyl screws. Riding behind the 22 inch screen you were completely shielded, isolated may be a better term. You could ride the PC through a Kansas tornado behind a 22 inch screen without putting your face mask down. The loudest sound you heard was the hissing of the engine at 5,500 r.p.m. , or the clanks of gear changes. A conversation with a passenger could be conducted in almost normal tones. The wind coming around the screen seemed to form a cocoon encapsulating both the passenger and driver. I found it difficult looking through the screen. The constant movement of the screen's top edge through my field of vision, as the bike went up and down hills, was very distracting. Also, my night vision was detrimentally affected by looking through the screen. Maybe, at 59 I can't see as well in the dark as I did at 21. The 20 inch screen is much more to my liking. My line of sight is about 2 to 3 inches over the screen. There is sightly more wind disturbance as the cocoon hits the top of my helmet, but it is not an unpleasant agitation. (The PC is a sport touring bike.) With my wife on the back, she weights about 110 pounds, and the rear tire inflated to 41 pounds the line of vision remains almost the same as with single riding. Returning from visiting a number of junk shops... correction...antique stores in Paola, Kansas riding double with my wife, we hit a light rain that quickly became a downpour. Riding into rain behind the Honda screen your shirt become soaked long before your pants. The opposite seemed to occur with the Rifle Screen. My pants became wet from the bottom up, and were completely soaked before the rain effectively penetrated the Rifle's cocoon. The Rifle Wind System changes the character of the PC from a back road two lane blacktop runner to a full fledge interstate cruiser. Eight hours of riding at interstate speeds behind a Rifle does not leave your ears ringing (you can leave your ear plugs at home) or your body feeling as if it has gone eight rounds with Jersey Joe. Cross winds appear to effect the bike less and passing an eighteen wheeler is a much more pleasant occurrence. I think all motorcycle riders have some masochism within us. No one has to ride a motorcycle, and the motorcycle is intrinsically dangerous. (A motorcycle rider to survive must be a defensive driver and on constant tune to anticipate the movement of surrounding traffic. This phenomena is probably why time and distance get distorted when traveling by bike.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Aug 96 07:57:34 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Back from vacation Lynn and I are back from our trip to Colorado. To those of you that inquired about our Aerostich suits, they are still for sale. Two Aerostich suits for sale: Mine: Two-piece Roadcrafter, cobalt blue w/ dark blue ballistics; size 44 regular, all pads including hip pads, bib pants converter, accessory ellipse included. Worn for several years; washed numerous times (it's SOFT!), no noticeable stains; never been "road tested). Not badly faded; still looks good! PRICE: $450 plus shipping. Lynn's: One-piece Roadcrafter, cobalt blue w/ dark blue ballistics, size 34 short; sleeves shortened 3". All pads included; absolutely like brand-new; worn only a few times. PRICE: $500 plus shipping. REASON FOR SELLING: We don't have a blue bike; never have! I don't know why I bought blue suits! We plan to buy r-r-r-r-red ones to replace them (just won the state lottery!)! Satisfaction guaranteed! We wouldn't sell them if we couldn't replace them with other Aerostich suits! There ain't nothing better on the market, or we'd be wearing them! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:30:51 Subject: Finally From: jclark@wsd.win.net (Jeffrey B. Clark) Greetings to the list, After a couple months of looking at PCs and lurking on this list I finally have a PC. Just a few days ago I bought Peter Tamblyn's immaculate '95. Thanks to Peter for meeting me halfway between my home in Kilmarnock, Virginia and his (somewhere in the wilds of northeast Georgia) to make the delivery. Peter had the seat modified by Sargeant, replaced the stock handgrips with Oury and added the Saeng windshield edging. After experimenting with the Saeng on and off the bike I can say it is a great product. The seat and handgrips will take some time to form an opinion on. I have already ordered the Rifle +4 as I am a little over 6' with a short inseam. So now there are two bikes in the garage and one will have to go. That will be the 95' Honda Shadow ACE. You probably know the bike, its Honda's Harley Fat Boy ripoff. I call it my Hardly-Davidson. A number of friends have Harleys of one form or another and I can say to you (but not to them) that the Honda ACE engineering, fit and finish and component quality is far better than the comparable Harley. They say, "Well, its nice, BUT IT AIN'T A HARLEY!" Right on both counts. The ACE is an absolute gas to ride (but not too far) and quite different from the PC. I wish I could have both but being Married, with children, I don't think I can justify it. Sooo... FOR SALE: 1995 Honda Shadow ACE VT1000C2, black & pearl, Rifle Classic windshield, TBR highway bar, immaculate, 2300 miles. $7950. BTW, I am really impressed by the Rifle products. The windshield and frame I bought from them for the ACE are far superior to anything else I saw, beautifully designed and built, just right for a Honda. Later...... -- Jeffrey Clark Internet:jclark@wsd.win.net White Stone Digital, Inc. 804-435-3318/2998 FAX ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:43:07 -0500 From: Mike Hanus To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gasoline smell after shutoff All, I have a 96 PC800 (non-California model)w/1500 miles on it. Since I took delivery of the bike I have noticed one thing that I'm not sure is something to get excited about; After the bike is ridden for awhile, completely warmed up & then shutoff, a fairly strong "gasoline odor" is noticed coming from the bike until it cools down (a couple of hours or so). I've had the fake tank cover off to check for leaks, etc., but everything is dry as a bone, with the engine running or stopped. It seems like a lot of the odor comes from the "sub air cleaner" (small box mounted on the front of the fuel lid inner case). I asked the dealer about it & they seem to think that it's due to normal venting of gas vapors caused by heat buildup within the bodywork after the bike is shutoff (the mechanic that checked it out claims his ST1100 does the same thing). Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike Hanus ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 08:56:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip to the East Coast and Canada I second the Quebec City suggestion. When I was first out of college I did a market and feasibility study for the construction of a hotel in Quebec City and a few years ago my family and I visited. Both times Quebec was a very enjoyable experience. There are a number of very nice bed and breakfast type inns within the walled city that are the more fun places to stay. There is also an old hotel, constructed in the late eighteen hundreds, that should be toured. I would not stay there as it is primarily a convention facility. The nightlife of sidewalk cafes just outside the walled city and trendy bars with the walled city can make for an exciting and often times and eventful evening. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Aug 96 12:35:07 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: Mike Hanus Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Gasoline smell after shutoff Mike I have an 89 with 40,000 miles that started doing it at about 30,000. I haven't figured it out yet either. I believe there is a thread on this in the archives. I prefer to ride (after I finish this dang'ed stator replacement) to looking for something in the summer. It doesn't affect mileage best as I can tell. If I had spent $13,000 for an ST and was told it was normal, I am sure I would be pretty pissed...... Keep us posted, okay? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:37:52 -0400 To: PILEWIS@aol.com, rmathews@us1.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise Control Install I have been looking for a cruise control device. How about a report on the Vista Cruise? 1. How much did it cost? 2. How much did the dealer charge to install it? 3. How does it work? 4. Any disadvantages? Thnaks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Mike Hanus Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gasoline smell after shutoff From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Aug 1996 12:29:42 -0500 Lines: 18 >>>>> "MH" == Mike Hanus writes: MH> [...] After the bike is ridden for awhile, completely warmed up & then MH> shutoff, a fairly strong "gasoline odor" is noticed coming from the MH> bike until it cools down (a couple of hours or so). Please head off to the archives and search for gas;smell and other logical permutations (perhaps fuel vapor, too); you'll find that we've discussed this at length before. There's too much to repeat here, but this has been back to Honda and there is a problem with a small diaphragm in the fuel system that may be the cause of the smell in your case. Honda has replaced this part for free in at least one case; check those archives for details. Just in case, the archives are at . -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: Subject: which modelyear is the black one ? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 20:40:27 +0200 Hi to you all, I am a bit confused. Thought the the 96 colour was blue. I found a brandnew black PC in my dealer's showroom. He was pretty persistant it was an '96. The price was app. 13.000 US $ which is not too expensive for Holland. I would be interested to hear which year it was build in and if it is advisable to buy a motorcycle wch has 0 miles on it but has been stored for some time. Greetings to you all, Ascon ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise Control Install From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Aug 1996 16:35:14 -0500 Lines: 17 >>>>> "B" == BernieK469 writes: B> I have been looking for a cruise control device. How about a report on B> the Vista Cruise? Please head off to the archives () and search for "vista cruise". I did a write up on this ~2 years ago; there are a whole pile of messages you might find interesting. I hope I don't begin to sound like a broke record with this, but those archives really are a useful resource and it's very easy to find things there. Plus we have over two years of experience tucked away, including things that you can't get now, like Kent's input. (Kent was an early list member who had a lot of input but who has other things to do now than follow the mailing list.) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Ascon deVries" Cc: Subject: Re: which modelyear is the black one ? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Aug 1996 16:43:56 -0500 Lines: 26 >>>>> "AdV" == "Ascon deVries" writes: AdV> Hi to you all, I am a bit confused. Thought the the 96 colour was AdV> blue. I found a brandnew black PC in my dealer's showroom. He was AdV> pretty persistant it was an '96. I think the European colours have no relation to the US colors. Here, 94 and 95 models were black while 96 models are \|/:-=*RED*=-:/|\ (not simply red but really really red). The dash is now almost black and the parts that were silver are now metallic charcoal. In the US, Honda puts the model year on a sticker on the fork tube or the steering head; you should be able to see it if you look up under the front fairing. AdV> I would be interested to hear which year it was build in and if it is AdV> advisable to buy a motorcycle wch has 0 miles on it but has been AdV> stored for some time. Generally bikes are stored without fluids and are generally OK to buy for several years after manufacture with no problems. You'd run into problems if the crate wasn't protected from the elements, or it if was prepped and run for a while, then stored. Just open the gas tank and smell; that will probably tell you. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:17:43 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Original Tires Hey gang! I've been hearing how great Metzlers are but I do want to share this with you. I have 12,872 miles on my 95 PC and I still have the original Dunlap tires....and I still have tread on them. This must be a record from what I'm hearing from you guys, maybe I just don't ride as hard as you guys do. Oh well I just wanted to share that with the group. I will be buying Metzlers within the next month, I think 13,000 miles for a set of tires is pretty good. Take care and I'll see you guys on the road. -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 95 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:57:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:05:52 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: holland Ascon.... give us the poop..have you seen BLUE PC's over there??? $13,000 US is insane for a 96. They're $8500 here. Sure wish you guys could figure out a way to buy used ones from us without getting screwed on taxes, import tariffs and stuff. I'd sell mine in a flash :>) -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:45:26 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: sreid@sover.net (Sean Reid) Subject: update-Fall Foliage Tour For anyone who is interested in Northeastern Motorcycle Tour's guided "Fall Foliage Tour", complete info. is now up at our web site. See http:www.ariasoft.com/mctours for more info. Sean Reid Northeastern Motorcycle Tours ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: , Subject: Re: holland/blue PC's Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 07:49:34 +0200 Yeah Dave, I've seen 1 or 2 very blue PC's, did'nt have a chance to talk to the owners. Or.... I've been hallucinating whilst driving some 90 mph. Ascon ---------- > From: Dave Gross > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: holland > Date: zaterdag 17 augustus 1996 19:05 > > Ascon.... > > give us the poop..have you seen BLUE PC's over there??? > > $13,000 US is insane for a 96. They're $8500 here. Sure wish you guys > could figure out a way to buy used ones from us without getting screwed on > taxes, import tariffs and stuff. I'd sell mine in a flash :>) > > > -- > > Dave Gross > Seattle,WA > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html > http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 07:37:52 -0500 From: Claude Hill To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Seat & Windshield from my '89 Pacific Coast Original windshield $75 2 piece seat $150 Plus UPS from Nashville, TN Claude Hill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 10:07:06 -0700 (MST) To: smupony@flagstaff.az.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Original Tires At 16:17 8/17/96 -0700, Alexander D. Gray wrote: >Hey gang! I've been hearing how great Metzlers are but I do want to >share this with you. I have 12,872 miles on my 95 PC and I still have >the original Dunlap tires....and I still have tread on them. This must >be a record from what I'm hearing from you guys, maybe I just don't ride >as hard as you guys do. Oh well I just wanted to share that with the >group. > >I will be buying Metzlers within the next month, I think 13,000 miles >for a set of tires is pretty good. > >Take care and I'll see you guys on the road. >-- >Alexander D. Gray > I've got over 14,000 on my Dunlops and, though I AM beginning to notice some extremely minor traction faults under just the right circumstances on the rear, there's PLENTY of tread. What I AM noticing, however, is the tiny dryness cracks down in the tread. Obviously this is their last season. But I don't anticipate replacing them until I take the bike out of winter storage next spring. The Metz tires seems like the ones I'll be getting, but I'm still undecided. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 18:03:54 -0400 From: Ray Christian To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rifle windscreen crack Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the shield around one of the six bolts. Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix it properly? Any information or suggested solution would be appreciated. Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. In a way I'm suprised that Rifle doesn't have a small tool to do this. With this tool you could change to any other size screen fairly quick. Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. Ray Christian ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:20:25 -0700 (MST) To: Ray Christian , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Rifle windscreen crack At 18:03 8/18/96 -0400, Ray Christian wrote: >Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull >to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws >attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the >shield around one of the six bolts. > >Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix >it properly? > Did the same thing myself except that I obviously didn't crank her down as much as you did. The cracks on my shield (I have two) are each only about an inch long. There is no fix, but mine have not gotten any worse. After bitching to Rifle about how this is something that should be noted in the instructions (and making other idle threats), I negotiated a reduced-price replacement shield. I probably was able to do this because I was one of the first to ever purchase the product, and also becuase I've raised consumer complaining to an art form. I'm quite sure they wouldn't do that any more. They didn't even want the old one back. I went ahead and kept the cracked shield on the bike to see what would happen. As I said, they've not gotten any worse and, as it stands right now, I've got a new replacement shield in the closet waiting for the day when they finally do. > >Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to >remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was >thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the >fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. > The fact that you can't almost remove the screws by just holding the nut with your fingertips drives home how over tightened you have them. Believe it or not, you're only supposed to tighten them down until the foam rubber seal just begins to compress -- perhaps a tiny bit more, that's it! Overtightening them until the shield deformed itself against the soft foam is why the shield cracked. (And I'm guessing your crack is on one of the two centermost screws. Am I right?) If you can't get to them to hold them enough with, say, needle nose pliers or something narrow and small, you're just going to have to temporarily remove the entire base unit so you can get at the nuts. Sorry I couldn't give you better news. Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:16:43 -0400 From: Ray Christian To: "Gregg L. DesElms" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle windscreen crack Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > > At 18:03 8/18/96 -0400, Ray Christian wrote: > >Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull > >to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws > >attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the > >shield around one of the six bolts. > > > >Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix > >it properly? > > > > Did the same thing myself except that I obviously didn't crank her down as > much as you did. The cracks on my shield (I have two) are each only about > an inch long. There is no fix, but mine have not gotten any worse. After > bitching to Rifle about how this is something that should be noted in the > instructions (and making other idle threats), I negotiated a reduced-price > replacement shield. I probably was able to do this because I was one of the > first to ever purchase the product, and also becuase I've raised consumer > complaining to an art form. I'm quite sure they wouldn't do that any more. > They didn't even want the old one back. I went ahead and kept the cracked > shield on the bike to see what would happen. As I said, they've not gotten > any worse and, as it stands right now, I've got a new replacement shield in > the closet waiting for the day when they finally do. > > > > >Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to > >remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was > >thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the > >fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. > > > > The fact that you can't almost remove the screws by just holding the nut > with your fingertips drives home how over tightened you have them. Believe > it or not, you're only supposed to tighten them down until the foam rubber > seal just begins to compress -- perhaps a tiny bit more, that's it! > Overtightening them until the shield deformed itself against the soft foam > is why the shield cracked. (And I'm guessing your crack is on one of the > two centermost screws. Am I right?) If you can't get to them to hold them > enough with, say, needle nose pliers or something narrow and small, you're > just going to have to temporarily remove the entire base unit so you can get > at the nuts. Sorry I couldn't give you better news. > > Gregg DesElms > deselms@primenet.com Gregg, thanks for the reply. The crack is at one of the centermost screws. I think at this point I'll just leave it alone to see if it gets any worse. It's still within the black band and has'nt expanded into the clear yet. Perhaps I,ll drill a tiny hole to keep it from expanding further. I'm not here to redesign Rifle's product, but as touchy and critical as tightening the screws are I would have provided a harmonizing strip that would match the fairing and would mount as a one piece washer (six holes) to better distribute the pressure from the screw heads across the whole front of the screen. I might do this myself if I can find a suitable black material. Again, thanks for the feedback. Ray Christian ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:29:06 -0400 From: Ray Christian To: Ray Nielsen , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle windscreen crack Ray Nielsen wrote: > > >Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull > >to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws > >attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the > >shield around one of the six bolts. > > > >Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix > >it properly? > > > >Any information or suggested solution would be appreciated. > > > >Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to > >remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was > >thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the > >fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. In a way I'm suprised that Rifle > >doesn't have a small tool to do this. With this tool you could change to > >any other size screen fairly quick. > > > >Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > >Ray Christian > >-- > You can use a box end wrench with some tape across one side to hold the nut > from dropping while you remove it. The problem is that when you tighten the > windshield you're supposed to tighten the nuts finger tight using NO tools. > You might try putting a rubber washer under a metal or plastic washer, then > replacing the nut. > > If you remove the mirrors (fairly simple) and the front trim piece, you can > loosen the windshield mounting screws enough to tip the Rifle assembly > forward enough to reach in to the nuts easily. Ray, thanks for the tips on handling this job. I think for now I'm going to see if the crack gets any worse. If not, I'll drill a tiny hole at the top of the crack which has not yet expanded from the black band into the clear. Thanks again. Ray Christian ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:14:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 90 pc 800 Hi all. My name is Archie Wong, and I've been interested in a PC for several months now. I think I am more than ready to take the plunge, and would greatly appreciate any info that could be provided. I would like a 1990 PC. Any info would be great, but hopefully someone knows of a 90 PC on the West Coast, since I live in CA. Previous bikes: 89 Ninja 250 92 Yamaha Seca II Thanks in advance. Archie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:54:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Close Encounters... Hi Bob, In a message dated 96-08-16 11:02:21 EDT, you write: << Aside: I took the Experienced Rider Course, and thought they gave short shrift to the option of acceleration as a tool in avoiding an accident. Maybe it was just the instructor (not likely), or perhaps the spectre of liability suits... maybe someone more familiar with the course could elaborate on this... >> You're right, Bob; the ERC (and the other MSF courses) devotes little time and attention to the "speed-up" option for collision avoidance. It is simply mentioned as one of the available options. The main reasons for this are: (1) there are relatively few circumstances where it is better than the other options, (2) the other options have a significantly greater potential for generating useful changes in relative position (with respect to a hazard) in a short time than even the most powerful street-bike engine can muster and (3) it takes no special skill, training, or practice to twist the throttle correctly. The last reason is probably the most significant. There are certainly times when a dose of whatever power may be available can get you out of a potentially hazardous situation. But if you only have a few hours to discuss and practice life-saving skills, you would be seriously irresponsible if you didn't spend that precious time working on those skills that are difficult to do well and that have been shown to be conspicuously absent in riders who have accidents (that is, maximum braking, swerving and cornering). To spend time on a skill that all but the most novice of riders can do almost perfectly without any training whatsoever would indeed be a disservice to those who have invested their time and money to attend. Oh, yes! I fully agree with you that off-road training and riding can do a lot for a street rider. I don't do much off-road riding, but the training and experience I have had in the dirt have served me well on the street. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: PetersonRE To: "Gregg L. DesElms" cc: smupony@flagstaff.az.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Original Tires Please explain to me how you can go from applauding Dunlops for their high milage to buying Metzlers in the same letter. Do you dislike the way the Dunlops handle or do you just want to experiment? Inquiring riders want to know ;) On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Gregg L. DesElms wrote: > At 16:17 8/17/96 -0700, Alexander D. Gray wrote: > >Hey gang! I've been hearing how great Metzlers are but I do want to > >share this with you. I have 12,872 miles on my 95 PC and I still have > >the original Dunlap tires....and I still have tread on them. This must > >be a record from what I'm hearing from you guys, maybe I just don't ride > >as hard as you guys do. Oh well I just wanted to share that with the > >group. > > > >I will be buying Metzlers within the next month, I think 13,000 miles > >for a set of tires is pretty good. > > > >Take care and I'll see you guys on the road. > >-- > >Alexander D. Gray > > > > I've got over 14,000 on my Dunlops and, though I AM beginning to notice some > extremely minor traction faults under just the right circumstances on the > rear, there's PLENTY of tread. What I AM noticing, however, is the tiny > dryness cracks down in the tread. Obviously this is their last season. But > I don't anticipate replacing them until I take the bike out of winter > storage next spring. The Metz tires seems like the ones I'll be getting, > but I'm still undecided. > > Gregg DesElms > deselms@primenet.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ................................................................ Bob Peterson / Gainesville, FL USA / EMAIL: afn05166@afn.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:39:48 -0400 From: "David J. Fial" To: pc800 listserv Subject: new to group Hello everyone, I decided to join your list because I have the itch again. I need tobe on a bike again. In a previous life I had an '81 Yamaha 400 Special2 and an '83 Virago 750 with the Tour Deluxe pack. The virago was the baby brother setup to the Venture back then. It was in that same Really Red the the PC comes in. I like the PC because it looks even more futuristic than any other bike. I even had my wife actually say she liked the looks after we saw a dark red one down in Myrtle Beach a couple of weeks again. For now it's gathering money and looking. Dave Fial (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:50:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 07:05:53 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Original Tires I also liked the fact that I got lots of miles off my dunlops. however, I'd GLADLY take 3000 less miles on a set of tires (like my ML2's) for the drastic difference in performance and handling :>) -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:00:02 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: julio49@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gasoline smell after shutoff My '95 with 11k+mi makes no gasoline smells. My '90 with many more miles gives off a gasoline odor after it has been run but only for a few minutes. I think you have a defect. Roger Prince > All, > > I have a 96 PC800 (non-California model)w/1500 miles on it. Since I took > delivery of the bike I have noticed one thing that I'm not sure is something > to get excited about; After the bike is ridden for awhile, completely warmed > up & then shutoff, a fairly strong "gasoline odor" is noticed coming from the > bike until it cools down (a couple of hours or so). > > I've had the fake tank cover off to check for leaks, etc., but everything is > dry as a bone, with the engine running or stopped. It seems like a lot of the > odor comes from the "sub air cleaner" (small box mounted on the front of the > fuel lid inner case). > > I asked the dealer about it & they seem to think that it's due to normal > venting of gas vapors caused by heat buildup within the bodywork after the > bike is shutoff (the mechanic that checked it out claims his ST1100 does the > same thing). > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike Hanus > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:42:27 +0200 From: Giovanni Brardinoni To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Help for antenna. Hi list, I'm the "spaghetti" list member !!! I'm in trouble with my radio system; some "pretty guy" had cracked my antenna (I own a Kenwood-Honda radio system). So any of you knows a dealer that has a spare part for it ? Any suggestions for break part replacing, instead of substitute it, will be appreciated. Thanks. Gianni, IT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Aug 1996 09:00:41 -0700 From: "Randy Spencer" Subject: FWD>RESULTS- Classified Ads To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>RESULTS: Classified Ads Since I am looking I thought I would forward PCs I came across to this group: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Email Alert - http://www.sfgate.com/wais/enot - alert@sfgate.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The following are classified ads from the San Francisco Chronicle and Examiner that were found to match your Email Alert requests. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REQUEST: Honda AND (PC800 OR Pacific) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HONDA '90 Pacific Coast. 8K, 1 Owner, Immac. $5,555. #100369 -347-4800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: So Cal Ride Man! Summer seem to whiz by faster and faster every year! As a kid, summer lasted forever and it was great. So now I ride in order to recapture some of that "eternity". You all understand what I'm talking about. Time seem to stand still when it's just you, your PC, and the road. Well, may be a few box jockey's too :) We've gotten our regular mild toasting from mother nature these last few weeks and it's finally cooling off a bit. Before the leaves start to fall, we have another chance for a quick get together this coming Saturday (8/24) for a short hop to Lake Arrowhead. If you're free, please reply directly to me and I'll give you details. Starting point will be in Fountain Valley, CA as we have done every month since January of this year. Hope to hear from you new folks in the area who joined the list recently! Johan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'ultspnch@ecn.net.au'" Subject: RE: Speedo Fix?! Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:08:35 -0700 I'll get the part and ship it to you. No problem. Send me your shipping info direct to bryceu@microsoft.com. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au[SMTP:ultspnch@ecn.net.au] >Sent: Friday, August 16, 1996 7:50 PM >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Speedo Fix?! > >Hellow again, Gents; Well I took all the advice and went at the top part, >it was easy once I got off the shield and duct " thingey" , the speedo cable >was loose to unscrew from THAT angle, and of course the center pulled out >only 8" long! So a quick call to local dealer, using part no. 44830-MR5-000 >, kindly proveded by a list member, brought the BAD news. Although I have >often been successful in getting parts for my HELIX-ES, another Honda NOT >sold in oz, the dealer's computer came up blank on this request. He did >suggest that for any Honda cable, one does have to buy both out and inside >parts as one, so I am preparing myself for a big $ number! > So now I wonder if any list member can help me get the part. I have some >yankee cash, I suspect the best way to do it would be if some kind member >could get dealer price and go buy it, I suspect air mail would be about $5 >or so. It would be better if it did not come directly from dealer to "ease" >path thru customs, although if the cost is not too high, that is not a >serious problem. So now I will go downstairs and re-activate the Helix for >awhile. Any suggestions/help offers will be most appreciated. Ron Grant., >Brisbane, Australia. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Ray Nielsen'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Ray Christian'" Subject: RE: Rifle windscreen crack Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:06:26 -0700 FYI on drilling the Rifle shield: If using normal drill bits (metal/wood/etc.) you may get better results running the drill in REVERSE. This will "melt" a hole very cleanly and easily right through. Running the bit in the forward direction cuts too hard/fast and may come very close to shattering the shield just at it pokes through. Yes, I've come close to messing the whole thing up. When installing my windshield wiper I had to drill 5 holes. I learned fast after the first cut. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Ray Christian[SMTP:raygator@cris.com] >Sent: Sunday, August 18, 1996 7:29 PM >To: Ray Nielsen; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Rifle windscreen crack > >Ray Nielsen wrote: >> >> >Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull >> >to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws >> >attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the >> >shield around one of the six bolts. >> > >> >Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix >> >it properly? >> > >> >Any information or suggested solution would be appreciated. >> > >> >Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to >> >remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was >> >thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the >> >fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. In a way I'm suprised that Rifle >> >doesn't have a small tool to do this. With this tool you could change to >> >any other size screen fairly quick. >> > >> >Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. >> > >> >Ray Christian >> >-- >> You can use a box end wrench with some tape across one side to hold the nut >> from dropping while you remove it. The problem is that when you tighten >>the >> windshield you're supposed to tighten the nuts finger tight using NO tools. >> You might try putting a rubber washer under a metal or plastic washer, then >> replacing the nut. >> >> If you remove the mirrors (fairly simple) and the front trim piece, you can >> loosen the windshield mounting screws enough to tip the Rifle assembly >> forward enough to reach in to the nuts easily. > > >Ray, thanks for the tips on handling this job. > >I think for now I'm going to see if the crack gets any worse. If not, >I'll drill a tiny hole at the top of the crack which has not yet >expanded from the black band into the clear. > >Thanks again. > >Ray Christian >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:28:13 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Archives >I hope I don't begin to sound like a broke record with this, but those >archives really are a useful resource It took me quite a while (after I first joined the list) to realize just how useful the archives are-- I appreciate it that someone pointed that out to me. I just didn't realize... Is there a way to more clearly point out their value to new subscribers? Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:56:01 -0400 cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sundry Notes Sometimes I'm a little slow. It has been almost a month since I installed my Rifle Wind Screen, I have been riding around with a full faced helmet. I noticed that while in town I always rode with the face mask fully open, and I had to make a conscious effort to close the mask when going on the highway. A couple of days ago I rode to Topeka which is about 60 miles away. It wasn't until I reached the turnpike's toll gate in Lawrence, about half way, that I noticed my face mask was wide open. I wanted to ask the toll keeper a question, and reached up to open my mask as I approached the gate. The mask was already open. I don't think it is a good procedure to ride around at 75 or 80 mph without facial protection. My face mask and helmet have been hit by to many rocks, nails and other sundry items to believe that you don't need the shielding. I do wear sightly corrective lenses for driving that offer very limited protection. Today I brought out an old half faced helmet I wore years ago. It worked beautifully behind the Rifle. I will probably use it until winter comes. A group of BMW rider's were going through the Lawrence toll gate just ahead of me. They were all dressed if full BMW, color coordinate regalia, including the passengers. Instead of fighting in their pockets for the proper change, each rider had a fanny pack around his waist to carry small bills, change and put the turnpike receipt. A lot better idea than fishing in the upper left hand miscellaneous drawer on our PCs. Ray in Mpls. wrote me by private email about Eagle One's Plastic Polish. I looked all over Kansas City for some. The discount and normal auto supply stores carried other Eagle One products, but not the plastic polish. I finally found some in a independent motorcycle shop. It is really better than our trusted Lemon Pledge. It also great at protecting the Rifle Wind Screen and fills in those small, almost indistingable, scratches that seems to mystically appear in the PC's body plastic. PS I had 14,000 miles on my Dunlops before changing. I still had tread. I had been riding the last 6,000 miles with cold plug in the rear tire. I was a little nervious about the plug. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Archives From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 19 Aug 1996 15:11:45 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "BC" == 9312 writes: BC> Is there a way to more clearly point out their value to new BC> subscribers? Well, the new list info that I wrote up makes is somewhat clear. You know what they say about a horse and water. BTW, your address has been bouncing for several days and has been unsubscribed. You might want to resubscribe. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:10:18 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Original Tires Hi all: I replaced my front tire just prior to my current trip (I'm in Bloomington, MN and ready to start for home in the morning). I had been running ML2s for the past two changes and I've been very satisfied with their performance. So, I asked my dealer to get me yet another one. Ooops! He couldn't get one before October; Metzeler told him that they were on back order. Since I needed a tire, I told him to get the Dunlop, which he did. I was expecting to experience a loss in performance, based mostly on what appears to be a concensus on the list that the Dunlops are inferior performers. Well, the Dunlop has worked just fine so far: enough grip to drag the pegs during spirited runs through the twisties while keeping pace with my riding pals on this trip (ST1100 & CBR1000 mounted), excellent stability at speeds up to a bit over 100 mph on occasion, good stability over grooved pavement and metal bridge gratings, no deceleration wobble (which is there with the Metzeler), and solid traction in the rain. Given my expectations, I have been pleasantly surprised that the Dunlop seems to be in every way the equal of the ML2s I've been using for the past few years. Maybe Dunlop has changed something? I've only got a bit over 1000 miles on the new tire, so things may change as the miles build. But based on the performance so far, I can't see what all of the complaints are about. Plus they have the distinct advantage of being readily available. If they also last a bit longer. what more could you ask? JT with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:17:14 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 08:19:14 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Original Tires Re: Original Tires I've been riding with the Dunlops (model K177) since I bought the 'whale' and am very pleased with the performance. My dealer (Progressive Powersport in Ithaca, NY) says that the current tires are made in Buffalo, NY and use the new compounds developed in the past few years that have a very good combination of stickiness and life. He puts his money where his mouth is, and rides a BMW R1100 RS with the Dunlop Elites instead of the specified Michelins. He states that he noticed the improved compounds a year ago, and has confirmed it with the sales representative. I took the 'whale' and a new set of Dunlops to CLASS school earlier this summer and can state without hesitation that the tires hold to the limits of the PC's ability to corner, and have very good high speed performance characteristics. Now, I've not ridden with the Metzlers and have nothing bad to say about them. But I do know that the Dunlops are about $50 each less and I can get them tomorrow. I currently have 5000 miles on my set and would estimate that I have 60% of the tread left. Jan deRoos '89 PC800 14,000mi "Babe" >>>> I replaced my front tire ... told him to get the Dunlop, which he did. I was expecting to experience a loss in performance, based mostly on what appears to be a concensus on the list that the Dunlops are inferior performers. Well, the Dunlop has worked just fine so far: enough grip to drag the pegs during spirited runs through the twisties while keeping pace with my riding pals on this trip (ST1100 & CBR1000 mounted), excellent stability at speeds up to a bit over 100 mph on occasion, good stability over grooved pavement and metal bridge gratings, no deceleration wobble (which is there with the Metzeler), and solid traction in the rain. Given my expectations, I have been pleasantly surprised that the Dunlop seems to be in every way the equal of the ML2s I've been using for the past few years. Maybe Dunlop has changed something? I've only got a bit over 1000 miles on the new tire, so things may change as the miles build. But based on the performance so far, I can't see what all of the complaints are about. Plus they have the distinct advantage of being readily available. If they also last a bit longer. what more could you ask? JT -- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:29:40 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Installing Trunk Lites I purchased the trunk light kit and found that the recommendations call for cutting holes in the trunk top to accommodate the light housings - these rectangle holes would presumably be under the seat area. Has anyone installed the lights that could suggest things to watch out for? Also, if you've done it, is there a way to mount the lights without such drastic surgery? Thanks - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Ray Christian Sent: Sunday, August 18, 1996 3:03 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rifle windscreen crack Recently installed a 22" Rifle windscreen and inspite of being carefull to not over tighten (finger tight per Rifle instructions) the screws attaching the shield to the fairing, I have noticed a crack (1") in the shield around one of the six bolts. Has anyone else had a similar problem? If so, have you been able to fix it properly? Any information or suggested solution would be appreciated. Also, short of having monkey hands does anyone have an idea on how to remove the screen from the fairing once it's mounted to the bike. I was thinking of a small socket of some type that would fit between the fairing and dashboard to hold the nuts. In a way I'm suprised that Rifle doesn't have a small tool to do this. With this tool you could change to any other size screen fairly quick. Anyway, any thoughts would be appreciated. Ray Christian ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:23:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800 Looking for a late model PC. Willing to travel, prefer less than 10,000 miles. Any help much appreciated. Can E-mail or phone 312-276-1628 ask for Bart ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:27:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wanted - PC800 Looking for a late model PC - prefer less than 10,000 miles. Willing to travel, I'm in Chicago. Can E-Mail or phone 312-276-1628, ask for Bart. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:44:40 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Installing Trunk Lites Pauly At 04:29 PM 8/20/96 UT, you wrote: >I purchased the trunk light kit and found that the recommendations call for >cutting holes in the trunk top to accommodate the light housings - these >rectangle holes would presumably be under the seat area. Has anyone installed >the lights that could suggest things to watch out for? Yes, talk to Cory. He's done it twice. Also, if you've done >it, is there a way to mount the lights without such drastic surgery? Nope, sorry. The design of the lights needs the cutout so it can fit flush with the inside top of the trunk. You will never see these holes though. They remain hidden and sealed away from the elements. (The second time Cory did it he cut the holes with a pocket knife! =:-0 ) They work quite nicely. Make sure you follow all the instructios and _use_ the templates provided. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:29:08 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Chicago area riders Would like to meet other Chicago area riders. Ever been to the Highland House Cafe (Rt 22 & Rt 41)? About 300 bikes there every Sunday morning, including 3 PC800s! The other two PC riders have avoided the Internet until now, but after I told them about the website and mailing list, they think it might be worth it. Anyway, I'm off on vacation until after Labor Day (Yellowstone by car; please direct any spams to my bride) but after that I'll make sure to have my Sunday morning coffee and donut at Highland House if I know you'll be there. If other locations are more convenient for the group, please post recommendations. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:56:11 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > > ... Willing to travel, prefer less than 10,000 miles. ... I only travelled 4,000 miles (roundtrip) to get my PC. Good luck! ;-) -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:54:47 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:48:31 +0000 Subject: Heaver weight fork oil???? All, Just went on the dream ride, south eastern Arizona, south western New Mexico through the mountains, tight hairpins, gradual "S" curves everything for about 80 miles worth. My question is , the front end seems to dive on braking in a corner and I was told that trying heavy fork oil might work better than doing a new spring job. Does anyone have and info on this??????? ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews CNA/CNE Novell Certified Netware Engineer 1996 Honda Pacific Coast "Slug Boy and Slug Bike" ________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Paul Hayes'" Subject: RE: Installing Trunk Lites Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:52:43 -0700 The directions that come with the lights were very good if I recall. You'll need to remove the passenger seat (4 bolts) and the top plastic portion of the trunk. There's about 2 dozen screws holding it on if you look underneath the trunk lid. The top piece has some silicon sealant at each hole and a foam strip where it meets the saddle. I carefully cut the foam strip as close to the surface as possible so it would be easy to glue back in place later. The silicon sealant will take a little pulling to seperate but it will come. I used clear silicon at all the screw holes when reassembling. For cutting I used a Dremel wih the cutting disk attachment. A couple of drilled holes and a swiss army knife saw should work too. Wiring is straightforward but the zip ties provided by Honda are lousy. Pick up some good ones at a parts store and save yourself the trouble. I'd be happy to give you a hand installing the lights and mud flap over at my place if you'd like. Check out my Sched+ file and pick a free evening. For the benefit of the others on the list, Paul and I work at the same company. In fact, Paul was once my manager. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Aug 96 21:00:16 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: Robert Mathews Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Heaver weight fork oil???? Robert Progressive Suspension Springs . . . . . . hands down, will cure the dive! Also, Bel Ray oil Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:07:36 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Heaver weight fork oil???? At 04:48 PM 8/20/96 +0000, you wrote: >All, > > Just went on the dream ride, south eastern Arizona, south western >New Mexico through the mountains, tight hairpins, gradual "S" curves >everything for about 80 miles worth. My question is , the front end >seems to dive on braking in a corner and I was told that trying heavy >fork oil might work better than doing a new spring job. Does anyone >have and info on this??????? I recently read something about this and here is what the expert said: Heavier oil will increase the damping effect, not the fork dive. To decrease fork dive add _more_ of the same weight oil. This will accomplish the following: By increasing the oil volume in the fork you will decrease the volume of air. This in effect (since air is a "spring") is the same as increasing the preload on your coil springs (under braking compression). Makes sense to me. The guy recommends adding oil 5cc's at a time per fork (kinda slow, but beats having to drain the excess on a bike that has no provision for that) until you reach a dive amount that you like. YMMV and all that jazz... Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 20:40:14 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Rifle windshield Content-Id: <14_64_1_840588014> Over the weekend I installed the Rifle (color matched!) windshield with a 22" screen. Although when I placed the order they told me that the color matching would take an extra two weeks, it ended up taking eight weeks! No calls from the company explaining or apologizing for the delay, and several times when I called them, they said it would be going out "next week" only to tell me the same thing the following week! If they had delivered it in two weeks as originally promised, it would have been in time for my last major trip of the summer. At this late date, I probably won't be able to try out the Rifle on any long trips until next summer. (Yes, I'm a little peeved!) While waiting I began to worry that if the color match wasn't right, I'd be returning it for the standard black, which I could have had the week I placed the order. Then I'd have been really pissed! However, the color was perfect. A great match. And no Rifle logo, either, to my relief. (I was imagining people coming up to me and saying they'd never heard of a Rifle motorcycle before.) I'm planning on getting a "Honda" decal to replace the name etched in gold on the stock windshield. Rifle has apparently made some changes to the kit they send, perhaps in response to complaints from people like those expressed on this list. For instance, there was no foam tape. None. Zip. Zilch. And no mention of it in the instructions. In the short rides I've taken since installing it, I've seen no desperate need for it, except for the tiny high whistle I get between 40 and 55 mph. I think a little tightening of the screws (or a small piece of paper shoved in the right spot) will take care of that. (Big project for next weekend!) Speaking of screws, the nuts now supplied for attaching the shield to the base are nylon lock nuts. Once the screw is most of the way through the nut, it is impossible to "finger-" or "hand-tighten" these, unless you have vice grips for fingers. However, the instructions still tell you to do this. So I just tried not to overdo it with the screwdriver and adjustable wrench. Ironically, just before I took off the tall optional Honda shield, I began to notice the signs of the dash-melting that others here have complained about (but which I didn't believe at first). Just a few light straight lines on the dash top cover. Another reason why I'm pissed that the Rifle was late! --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:09:53 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Robert Mathews Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Heaver weight fork oil???? Robert Mathews wrote: > My question is , the front end seems to dive on braking in a corner and I was told > that trying heavy fork oil might work better than doing a new spring job. Does anyone > have and info on this??????? Greetings, I recently changed the fork oil in my '96 PC. The OEM "fish oil" was replaced with 10 wt. Spectro fork oil. This was done mostly to remove break-in particles after the first 1000 miles. There was a noticeable improvement in ride quality that wasn't expected. Anyway, what I'm leading into is that with either the OEM or Spectro oil, the anti-dive worked as advertised. I tend to brake late and relatively heavy and I'm quite impressed with how little dive there is under these conditions. One possible reason for your excessive dive could be that the left brake caliper is binding at the needle bearing and can't actuate the anti-dive piston sufficiently. The anti-dive piston itself could also be binding with the same result. I hope that either of the above solves the problem. The only other anomaly that would cause excessive dive would be a large variance of the diameter of the orifices within the anti-dive mechanism. That's my best guess anyway... gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:52:10 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:47:47 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Installing Trunk Lites To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I purchased the trunk light kit and found that the recommendations call for >cutting holes in the trunk top to accommodate the light housings - these >rectangle holes would presumably be under the seat area. Has anyone installed >the lights that could suggest things to watch out for? Also, if you've done >it, is there a way to mount the lights without such drastic surgery? I installed the kit also. I would recommend that you follow the instructions carefully. It takes a while but the result is really great! Be patient, it will take a while, and be careful when positioning the template. I was a bit taken back by the complexity of the install but the final result is a *very* stock look and the electricals are nicely designed. It is worth the effort :-). Harrison (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:30:53 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:30:53 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ron Grant) Subject: Speedo cable R>G. My computer is busted, will try to keepin touch. Hope to get new cable INSIDE made here. Thanks for help offers. Ron Grant Never Trust A Man With Two Nostrils ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:04:26 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) Subject: Paying Tolls - Gotta Be an Easier Way To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu This group has always seemed to come up with great solutions for some of the most common, but complex, problems. So here is another one. On a recent ride I found myself on a tollroad, where I had to pass through a booth with a $.50 toll. Approaching the tollbooth, I was able to remove my left riding glove, stuff it in a pocket on my tank bag so it wouldn't fly away; dig into my change pocket and remove two quarters, holding them in my teeth (after raising my face shield on my full-faced helmet; put the extra change back in my left front pocket; remove the two quarters from my mouth with my right hand (Whew!) and approached the tollbooth! I thought I would simply shift into neutral, drop the quarters, cinch the glove back on and be on my way. Well, as many of you know, finding neutral can be difficult when the engine on the PC is warm, so after fumbling for a while (incidently while balancing the PC with my right foot planted on a very slippery patch of oil/grease/road crud) and never being able to find neutral (Yea, I know where it is supposed to be, but believe me it wasn't there!), I reached over and with the best Dr. J skyhood, flipped the two quarters with my right hand into the basket and away I rode. Of course I wouldn't dream of telling you that after I pull out of the booth and am struggling to put my left glove back on, I accidently hit the kill switch and was temporarily dumbfounded as to why the PC has started to lose power (No, I didn't think the chain had broken 8>[]). If there had been a video camera, it would have made Americas Funniest without question. I felt like a complete klutz. Other than avoiding tollbooths, any suggestions for tried and trued methods for toll payments, park entrance fees, etc. would certainly would benefit me and just might be entertaining. For example, my wife suggested that I tape quarters to the side of my helmet that would serve as reflectors until they were used. Quite a sense of humor she has. Ride as if your life depended on it, Dave "klutz" Lott 89 Pacific Coast (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:22:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:19:38 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Paying Tolls - Gotta Be an Easier Way Actually, the Wife's idea's not a bad one. Slight modification. Get a HALO reflective band. It goes around the bottom of your full face helmet (unless it's a shoei RF-200, then it blocks the vents...) Tuck a dollar or 2's worth of quarters into the top of the band, then all ya gotta do is pull the glove, grab a couple, and go! option 2 is to keepa bunch in the fairing pocket. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 08:37:54 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Quarters >option 2 is to keepa bunch in the fairing pocket. option 3 is to keep the change in your mouth, just flip up the face shield and spit out what you need as you ride by. (didn't ya know that was coming?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:24:10 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Chicago area riders Way to go BOB!!!!!!!! I think the Highland House would be fine. We may want to mention something to George Catt as well. He runs the NE IL chapter of the HTSA. I will be unavailable because of my impending ride to Canada and then a trip to Dallas. I'll be available for a ride on 9/15. Let's DO IT!!!!! Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dave Lott Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Paying Tolls - Gotta Be an Easier Way Sounds like a great set-up for a low speed spill. I simply stop at the booth and hit the kill switch. I know, juice is still flowing through the system, but for the amount of time, it doesn't hurt a thing. I've been doing it for years. Then, I dig out my money as quickly as possible - having put it in the most accessable pocket beforehand IF I knew that a toll was coming up. This entire process may take me 10-15 seconds longer than it would in a car, and if that causes impatience - TS! On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Dave Lott wrote: > This group has always seemed to come up with great solutions for some > of the most common, but complex, problems. So here is another one. On > a recent ride I found myself on a tollroad, where I had to pass through > a booth with a $.50 toll. Approaching the tollbooth, I was able to > remove my left riding glove, stuff it in a pocket on my tank bag so it > wouldn't fly away; dig into my change pocket and remove two quarters, > holding them in my teeth (after raising my face shield on my full-faced > helmet; put the extra change back in my left front pocket; remove the > two quarters from my mouth with my right hand (Whew!) and approached > the tollbooth! > > I thought I would simply shift into neutral, drop the quarters, cinch > the glove back on and be on my way. Well, as many of you know, finding > neutral can be difficult when the engine on the PC is warm, so after > fumbling for a while (incidently while balancing the PC with my right > foot planted on a very slippery patch of oil/grease/road crud) and > never being able to find neutral (Yea, I know where it is supposed to > be, but believe me it wasn't there!), I reached over and with the best > Dr. J skyhood, flipped the two quarters with my right hand into the > basket and away I rode. Of course I wouldn't dream of telling you that > after I pull out of the booth and am struggling to put my left glove > back on, I accidently hit the kill switch and was temporarily > dumbfounded as to why the PC has started to lose power (No, I didn't > think the chain had broken 8>[]). If there had been a video camera, it > would have made Americas Funniest without question. I felt like a > complete klutz. > > Other than avoiding tollbooths, any suggestions for tried and trued > methods for toll payments, park entrance fees, etc. would certainly > would benefit me and just might be entertaining. For example, my wife > suggested that I tape quarters to the side of my helmet that would > serve as reflectors until they were used. Quite a sense of humor she > has. > > Ride as if your life depended on it, > > Dave "klutz" Lott > 89 Pacific Coast > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 09:18:08 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Toll Change Since you put your glove in a tank bag pocket while fumbling around, why don't you keep change in one of the tank bag pockets? I liked your tale, gave me a good laugh, cause I've been there before I had a tank bag. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: not to be a grouch or anything Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:46:20 -0700 From: Andrew Beals But after the long drawn-out Insurance thread, COULD WE PLEASE KEEP THE NON-PC800 RELATED TOPICS OFF OF THE LIST? Paying tolls is a problem that all motorcyclists face. Go to the booth, stop the bike, take off gloves so you can get at your zippers, get toll, pay drone, get re-dressed, start bike, go. MAKE THEM SUFFER. Take longer on bridges where "carpools" are free but motorcycles aren't, the golden gate bridge does this. [marin county, calif. hates motorcycles and motorcyclists] What is going to be the next topic of blather? Gas prices? Vehicle registration fees? rec.motorcycles exists for this purpose as well as gobs of regional newsgroups {ba,tx,la,ne,???}.motorcycles. Thanks in advance for keeping on topic. The Grouch -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:02:36 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:02:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Andrew Beals , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything At 09:46 AM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks in advance for keeping on topic. > > The Grouch I agree Gouch, I can be gone for a week and return with 200 PC e-mails to read. I like this group a lot but please can we stay on the subject (what ever that is). Thanks Grouch II (Waldo) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:13:51 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Topics Hi, Gang, The Grouch wrote: (snip it, snip it good) Somebody put too much psyllium husk in the OJ this morning? Keep the topics rolling...after all, we're a multi-faceted group. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: not to be a grouch or anything Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:14:52 -0700 >>What is going to be the next topic of blather? Gas prices? Vehicle >>registration fees? rec.motorcycles exists for this purpose as well as gobs >>of >>regional newsgroups {ba,tx,la,ne,???}.motorcycles. I disagree with Andrew's comment. These, in my opinion, are perfectly acceptable topics, as they are of interest to us as motorcyclists. David Gordon > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:54:43 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: not to be a grouch or anything Wow, if too many messages are a problem, maybe there's some other solution than not talking about stuff. I'd really hate to see this group strictly narrowed; we're a pretty diverse bunch of real people out here, who share the common interest of the PC800. The group would lose a lot if we couldn't stretch our dialogues a little. Love, Happy in New Mexico ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:07:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything Yeah, good point. I wonder how long THIS stupid thread will go on. Look, people do what they do, and they write what they care about. If you see something you don't want to read, DON'T READ IT!!!!! Threads are what make the whole damn thing work. If everyone uses good judgement, nothing will get goofy. We don't seem to have any morons among us, and if anyone use's "poor" judgement, do them (and us) a favor a let them know. Off the Soap Box, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Andrew Beals Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything IMHO, if it's a motorcycle related topic, then it is also PC related and a proper topic. On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Andrew Beals wrote: > But after the long drawn-out Insurance thread, COULD WE PLEASE KEEP THE > NON-PC800 RELATED TOPICS OFF OF THE LIST? > > Paying tolls is a problem that all motorcyclists face. Go to the booth, stop > the bike, take off gloves so you can get at your zippers, get toll, pay drone, > get re-dressed, start bike, go. MAKE THEM SUFFER. Take longer on bridges > where "carpools" are free but motorcycles aren't, the golden gate bridge does > this. [marin county, calif. hates motorcycles and motorcyclists] > > What is going to be the next topic of blather? Gas prices? Vehicle > registration fees? rec.motorcycles exists for this purpose as well as gobs of > regional newsgroups {ba,tx,la,ne,???}.motorcycles. > > Thanks in advance for keeping on topic. > > The Grouch > > -- > Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 > Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building > "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." > --The Prisoner, "Arrival" > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:12:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:09:19 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Richard Stucky Subject: PC800 Trade? Cc: popeye@recluse.arachnid.com, tjn@rahul.net The other day sitting at a red light I noticed a brand new red Chrysler Sebring convertible with the sticker still on the window. The price was plainly visible and I commented to the owner "Only $22,000 out the door." He looks at my bike and says "those things aren't cheap either." So I replied, "How much do you think this 'thing' cost?" He gives my 7 year old bike a once over and says, "Well, I'll guess that bike is around $25,000." I nearly fell off my bike! After offering him the deal of the century to trade my '89 PC for his new car I admitted to him the actual price of the PC. Imagine, there's actually people out there on the road that see you or I ride by and say to themselves, "there goes another one of those $25,000 motorcycles!!!" Geesh!!!! Rich Rich Stucky '89 PC800 Arachnid Software '81 Q-Horse Mare www.arachnid.com '93 Paint Mare rms@arachnid.com 408-342-9035 Phone "Why should I walk when I can ride?" 408-343-1257 FAX ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:55:51 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Moving/shipping Well, I've located a few PC's - Was wondering if anyone has any information on shipping the bike. Looks like approx. 750 miles. I know most of you would say "why not just drive it"? Since I'm purchasing a (used) PC and I'm not real familiar with the bike, I think I shipping is the safe alternative. Especially by myself. Unless of course some one is interested in joining me - Looks like either east coast to Chicago or Atlanta to Chicago. Any help greatly appreciated ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:55:08 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: not to be a grouch or anything At 09:46 AM 8/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >But after the long drawn-out Insurance thread, COULD WE PLEASE KEEP THE >NON-PC800 RELATED TOPICS OFF OF THE LIST? Andrew.. Chill out. The PC is after all a motorcycle, and since these topics affect motorcycle riders, I believe they are quite relevant. You'd figure I would have something to complain, since toll booths are unknown this far north and thus it wouldn't concern me, but I enjoy the discussion. If you don't want to read the "off topic" messages, simply delete them, and share some PC related item yourself. Ride safe Juan "Don't worry, be happy" Goula ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 Aug 96 15:51:04 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Gone..........for now. Dear PC riding friends, My move from Alaska to Ohio is upon me, so it's time to sign off the list. It's been my extreme pleasure to be in contact w/ all of you and, eventually, will be back up and running sometime in the future. Best wishes to all of you and keep the dirty side down. Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '94 Chevy S-10 P/up "Hondahauler" '90 Honda GB-500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 12:58:00 PDT From: NorrisX Heckwine To: Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything Although "The Grouch" took the time to chastise the rest of the group, he/she failed to tell us what they consider to be "appropriate" dialogs. And I can almost guarantee you, that most people would have just as much trouble with your "approved" choice of topics as you have had with their topics. And besides, isn't grouching about the listserve off the PC800 topic in and of itself? Is your next topic going to be of blather control? Gas prices? Vehicle registration fees? ...er...ah...sorry, someone else has already traveled down this highway. :) Lighten up...before it gets so tight, you won't be able to sit in the saddle of your prized PC800 (just to help keep it on topic). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:16:59 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything Z wrote: >Yeah, good point. I wonder how long THIS stupid thread will go on. Z--I agree with everything you say, however, I am disturbed by your comment that our group lacks diversity and possibly political correctness, to wit: > We don't seem to have any morons among us, I have been a proud moron for many, many years. Now, I find out that I was only allowed into this group as the "token moron". MORONS, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR...I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING! Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Moving/shipping I don't remember any domestic shipping info on the list, but there is plenty in the archives on hauling and tie-downs. If you don't want to ride it, wouldn't the next best thing be to rent a U-Haul? I'd feel better about it than trusting it to a shipper, and I doubt that the cost would be significantly different for 750 miles - perhaps even cheaper. On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 Smcavin@aol.com wrote: > Well, I've located a few PC's - Was wondering if anyone has any information > on shipping the bike. Looks like approx. 750 miles. > > I know most of you would say "why not just drive it"? Since I'm purchasing a > (used) PC and I'm not real familiar with the bike, I think I shipping is the > safe alternative. Especially by myself. > > Unless of course some one is interested in joining me - Looks like either > east coast to Chicago or Atlanta to Chicago. > > Any help greatly appreciated > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:13:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Shipping Thanks to those of you who responded to my request. I found a good source for moving/shipping motorcycles, thought I'd pass it along to the group. The company is called "Done Right Shipping" (spelling may be incorrect). Individual's name is Tom Dunmyer. Phone 800-759-7243, then enter PIN # 47988. The cost to ship the PC is $350.00. The company exclusively ships motorcycles. Claims to have been in business for 25 yrs. Insured by Lloyds of London. Thanks again. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:54:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Paying Tolls and Finding Neutral Hi all, at the risk of being toasted lightly for continuing this thread, I've got a couple of bits to add. When I used to have to pay tolls a lot, I used some velcro to attach one of those little magnetic coin-holder thingies to the clutch reservoir cover. Then there is no need to mess with gloves (at least in the summer); just pluck off the right coins and toss 'em in the hopper. Also, a little trick for finding neutral when it gets balky is to simply move the revs up to between 1500 and 2000 before trying to shift it. The thing shifts slickly into neutral with no hassles. I'm not too sure why it works, but it does (at least on my PC and my Hawk GT). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Jeff Leech" To: Subject: Re: Paying Tolls - Gotta Be an Easier Way Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:38:13 -0500 Dave, I haven't found an easier way to find the money yet, but I have decided that it is far simpler to hit the kill switch, than to try to find neutral. My latest attempt to simplify tolls was to place several singles in the "glove box" and hand the correct number to the attendant, putting extra change back in the glove box. This can be done while wearing gloves. You might only run into trouble if it is windy! Good Riding; Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:46:55 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Andrew Beals Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything Andrew Beals wrote: > COULD WE PLEASE KEEP THE NON-PC800 RELATED TOPICS OFF OF THE LIST? Our PC group should be viewed in the context of riding friends who have stopped at a cafe after a long ride. Conversation generated by those with a common passion for riding is bound to be of interest to others in the group. I would hate to feel like I'm attending an "Enforced Recreation Seminar"... "Infinite diversity in infinite combinations" - Mr. Spock ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:01:13 PST Subject: Grouch From: kforeman@juno.com (Kenneth S Foreman) Sorry that Andrew is upset, most of the topics all relate to motorcycles, and I haven't really seen any abuse. Maybe Andrew should tell us all what to exactly write about so he won't be upset. However if this is the only problem Andrew has, maybe we should consider him lucky. I am sorry Andrew, I was the one that asked for insurance information. Through the PC800 owners, I was able to find out a lot of information in regards to insurance on my PC800. (Sorry) Have a nice day, and please enjoy your riding. I really hope that you being a grouch doesn't interfere with motor cycling, and the PC800. Ken ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:54:12 +0600 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Rifle windshield Content-Id: <18_65_1_840675252> >James, >How tall are you, and do you look over the Rifle or through it? I'll be >getting a Rifle in the not too distant future (I have a Hondaline tall >for my '90 PC now), and I need to decide what height to order. I want to >look over it. I'm 5'8 1/2". Thanks > >Richard Hardy Richard, I'm 5'10" and with this shield I'm mostly looking through it, but if I stick my head up a little, I'm out of the pocket, and it's a lot noiser. The old Honda tall option shield was about the same length, but angled down lower. I looked over the top, but had to duck down a couple of inches to get into the "cone of silence." The Rifle shield is quite clear, with no distortion, but the top of the screen reflects the "tank" which on the pearl '89 is pretty noticeable (at least on the first day). I'm sure I'll get used to it (the Honda shield reflected the ignition key and switch), and people with black 94s and 95s probably wouldn't notice anything. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:23:12 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) Subject: Repost: Paying Tolls - On Topic To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu With all due respect to Andrew and Prof. Waldo, I was not attempting to be frivolous in my question on paying tolls. Yes, I certainly added to the basic question of "Do other PC800 owners have trouble finding neutral when they have to stop and need use of their left hand?"; and I have to admit that I was trying to be somewhat humorous; as I know that if anyone had been watching me that would have had a good chuckle. Thanks to the majority of you that appreciated the question and provided some good suggestions. If we are only to talk about specific PC items, there probably wouldn't be much use for an ongoing discussion as the majority of items have been more than amply covered in the archives. Laugh and the whole world laughs with you! Y'all Ride Careful Out There You Hear, Dave Lott 89 PC (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:38:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:28:47 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Gone..........for now. Cory, safe travelling. Get on-line when ya can. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:34:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I dropped my Baby. I dropped mine while washing it! Well into the job, I decided it needed to be on its center stand. I put my soapy, sandle-clad foot on the stand and pulled on the grips with my hands, one of which was wearing one of those sponge gloves (also soapy). For some reason, I had left the bike in first gear, so when I yanked, it didn't budge. My soapy hand and foot slipped off, and Annie slowly reclined on her right side. :( Do I win? Was that the dumbest way drop a bike? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 21:25:43 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything Content-Id: <18_65_1_840677143> > From: b-dorman@miint.net > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything > > Z wrote: > > >Yeah, good point. I wonder how long THIS stupid thread will go on. > > Z--I agree with everything you say, however, I am disturbed by your comment > that our group lacks diversity and possibly political correctness, to wit: > > > We don't seem to have any morons among us, > > I have been a proud moron for many, many years. Now, I find out that I was > only allowed into this group as the "token moron". MORONS, STAND UP FOR > YOUR RIGHTS. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR...I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE MUST > HAVE SOMETHING! > > Bob I firmly agree, Bob. It's only because some of the morons on this list have short memories that they don't recall that one of my very first questions to the group proved me to be a moron of the first rank. And hell, no, I'm not going to remind you what it was. And it's obvious that a lot of morons here can't figure out how to use the archives, so my secret is safe. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 21:37:24 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Installing Trunk Lites Content-Id: <18_65_1_840677844> Pauly: My suggestion about trunk lights: save yourself a lot of time and trouble, and return the kits for a full refund, then go down to your local auto parts store, and buy a simple light with built-in tilt switch. Stick in on the inside of the trunk lid. No holes to cut, total cost $5.00, total time spent: 15 minutes. Okay it doesn't look as beautiful, but who's looking inside the top of your trunk lid? --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:02:16 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" CC: pc800 newsletter , hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: ST LEFTOVERS FOUND I stopped into Honda Suzuki World in Oakland Maine today... [ac 207-465-3710] They have 2 NEW leftover STs on the floor. 1994. Black [sans abs] @$8900 ( ME res add 6% tax) 1995. Red [sans abs] @ 9300 ( ME + tx) They also have a RED VFR....& I didn't ask... FWIW Bill :| ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:19:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oz S.O.S. Egads! A PC with a parts failure! Sell it immediately and deny any knowledge of the machine! (Then quietly buy another one) :-)) Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:19:08 -0400 To: smupony@flagstaff.az.us cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Original Tires Alexander noted that he got close to 13K on his Dunlops in a recent post: I've got 32K on my '94 now, and have stuck with the Dunlops 'cause I've gotten really good mileage out of them and I haven't experienced the problems that many other PC'ers have. I'm on my third set now; I got between 15-16K on the first two sets. And...as some of my fellow riders will attest...I don't exactly baby the StealthMobile! Jest Ridin' My Ride... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:40:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Flames and Fire Extinguishers I hadn't read my mail for about two weeks, and as I perused the accumulated messages on the PC800 list I was struck by one thing: How busy this list has become! Up until last May I was on three lists: This one, the HSTA list, and the MotoList. All three good m/c lists, and with very fine people contributing a variety of opinions and information. I found, however, that being on three lists was too time-consuming, so I decided to stay with the PC list---as I identify more closely with fellow PC riders. With all of the "newbie" posts, I was beginning to feel like an "oldbie", and I was gratified to see that so many new people are (1) long-time PC riders who just found this forum, (2) new PC riders, or (3) non-PC'ers looking for a PC800 as their next ride. I was also gratified to note that, even though there are many newcomers to this list, there is still the noticeable absence of the "flaming" that seems so pervasive on other lists (not the HSTA or MotoList, but have you ever been to rec.motorcycles? Ouch!). Then I ran into the mild rebuke that was posted concerning a "non-relevant" thread that had gone on too long. And, to my relief, the responses were either posted in a humorous vein or very carefully worded so as to not evoke a stinging response. Thank you. Any thread may go on too long and some threads might not stay totally relevant to the PC...or motorcycling. I, too, find myself utilizing the "delete" key at times if I don't relate closely to the Subject Line on messages. But that's what the delete key is for. I'm glad to see that...even though we don't discuss it...everybody else on this list respects each other and we take great pains to not allow our discourses to become personal or take offense at inappropriate or unintentional remarks. I certainly hope that, as more people join this list (ain't it wonderful how many people love the PC?) our policy of quietly self-policing ourselves continues to make this one of the most enjoyable mediums of communication that I have ever had the pleasure of participating in. Thank you. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:15 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin seat In a message dated 96-08-06 18:51:28 EDT, garyklim@SNET.Net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << They estimate up to 5 weeks for delivery. They said that the last time I bought one and it arrived in about 2 weeks. >> Just over 5 weeks for me: for an order placed in late June of this year. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:17 -0400 To: DOUG_MARLOW@hp-waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sargent -improved seat, tank bagsticky choke In a message dated 96-08-08 09:42:15 EDT, DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com writes: << The Eclipse standard bag works fine. When I ride without the bag I slip a 1 1/4" long piece of 27 x 1 1/8" bicycle inner tube over the plastic buckle to protect the paint. >> Doug, Can you go to full lock on the handlebars without interference with the bag? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:13 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin seat In a message dated 96-08-05 12:12:19 EDT, b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) writes: << oulda' sworn I'd seen postings about a new Corbin seat for our woefully under-accessorized PCs, so I was surprised to get this message this morning: Bob,we do not make a seat for the pc800 at this time.I am sorry but we might design something for that seat sometime later this year.Once again we apolagize. >> Bob, Interesting since they shipped me a new PC800 seat on 8-7-96 -- two days after that post. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:17 -0400 To: wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, b-dorman@miint.net Subject: Re: Tankbags In a message dated 96-08-08 16:52:03 EDT, wanda_bailie@smtpgw.kentrox.com (Wanda Bailie) writes: << On my PC and my husbands Venture we use Chase Harper tank bag model = 750 compact. They are quite small and have a map top-pocket. I don't have my bike at work today, so can't run out to measure, but I think it is about 10 inches long x 8 inches wide x 4 inches tall. >> Wanda, Can you go to full lock on the front wheel with the tank bag in place without contact between the bag and the handlebars? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:20 -0400 To: jsherman@mail.telis.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage In a message dated 96-08-11 14:53:06 EDT, jsherman@mail.telis.org (Jennifer J. Sherman) writes: << While in Europe I saw many Africa twins with GIVI removable luggage. The system was outstanding yet I can't seem to find any of it in the USA> I'm located in LA - would be interested in mailording some for my bikes >> It used to be distributed by Capitol City Cycles in Herndon Virginia right outside Washington DC (they advertise in most magazines). They recently lost the distributorship and have converted to a competing product (Fandango). You might give them a call. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:14 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available In a message dated 96-08-08 01:20:38 EDT, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) writes: << No problem mounting the rider's saddle -- the rear mounting brackets swivel to line up with the frame. The rear seat is still a pain to line up, but I managed to do it by my lonesome. >> I managed it by my lonesome, but I was missing a lot of skin before it was over. IT really didn't fit. Every time I buy a Corbin, I swear I will never do it again because I have yet to get one that fits right out of the box. However, I do like the way they feel when riding and I only do it once a year so I forget about the pain in between fittings. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:12 -0400 To: deselms@primenet.com, BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The Rifle Wind Screen In a message dated 96-08-04 14:32:01 EDT, deselms@primenet.com (Gregg L. DesElms) writes: << he base unit on mine is black. I think it looks okay, but I've heard there's a color-matched base available now. If so, does anyone out there have one? And does "color matched" mean that it matches the pearl-white or the dashboard gray? Finally, if anyone has it, how does it look? Do you >> Bernie, I have the colormatch and it matches the body color. Of course, my wife's bike is black, since it is a 95, but they supposedly match any of the body colors. It was an extra $40 which I felt was well worth it since it makes the unit look OEM. I'd check with Rifle before ordering one to match a 7 year old bike, however. They may not guarantee a match for a paint job that old. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:16 -0400 To: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available In a message dated 96-08-08 01:32:09 EDT, dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) writes: << As readers of this group know, production had been stopped earlier this year due to the number of problems riders were having getting a proper fit. Thanks to our one of our own, these problems have been apparently solved and the seat is available. >> Well, I wouldn't count on that. I got one last week and it was a very poor fit. I had gods own time trying to fit the rear part to the trunk. It also requires cutting the upholstery to fit the back part and no directions of any sort were provided. That's a bit chancy when you are talking about cutting into a $300 seat with a knife. I called Corbin to ask for advice on how to make the cuts to ensure that they did not end up as rips later and got no help at all. The person I "spoke" with in customer service didn't speak english for all practical purposes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:39:19 -0400 To: reap@pixi.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Insurance Recommendation In a message dated 96-08-09 23:11:42 EDT, reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) writes: << After comparing Ken's and Bryce's quote of $218 - $224 per bike per year, I want to ask if anyone has a really good rate with a solid company that I could switch to. I'd appreciate any helpful information. Thanks >> Remember, Ken & Bryce only said that they got insurance for that rate. That doesn't tell you what kind of coverage they got for that price. I pay quite a bit more than that but I have very high limits (2 million on liability and uninsured/underinsured coverage, $15,000 in medical payments -- hard to get on a bike -- and $250 deductible collision -- not necessary, but they wouldn't want to write the rest of what I got without it). There is a lot of difference between insurance policies and there are significant differences in cost based on where you live within a state and what state you live in (the latter governed, at least in part, by the state regulation governing insurance in your state). It is really hard to compare insurance policies across state lines. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Aug 96 10:21:14 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Miscellaneous Re: Trunk light. One of our members had a PC trunk light at STAR, which he was trying to sell (he had sold his PC...boo!) Anyway, he didn't et any takers. My solution...a two-cell AA mini Mag-Lite. I put a superbike handlebar grip on it, and it fits perfectly in that storage space at the right rear of the trunk! Re: Change for tolls: Another reason to have an Aerostich suit...the small pocket on the right sleeve works perfectly for that and other things, like holding a chapstick and ear plugs. Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:19:13 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I dropped my Baby >>Do I win? Was that the dumbest way drop a bike? No. Try putting the sidestand down and leaning the bike over onto it in one graceful, fluid motion-- only to catch your pant leg on the peg, so the stand doesn't go over center. Bike and rider, united in one harmonious Whole, in slow motion, inevitably and irretrievably flopping over on their side. With an audience, of course. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:38:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The Rifle Wind Screen I have just completed a 1000 round trip, from Kansas City to Paducah, and back with various stops in between. I made the run in two days, and it was all interstate driving. It was the first long trip with my new 20 Rifle Wind Screen. I am 5'11" tall, with a 31" inseam. I looked over the 20" Rifle by about two or three inches. I had previously mounted a 22" screen that by stretching I could looked over it, or in my normal driving position looked though it. With my wife, 110 pounds, on back I was forced to look through the Rifle. The air cocoon from the 22" screen was above my helmet. But, I found looking through the screen a real discomfort because of bug blots, reflections and the constant movement of the top of the screen up and down, through my line of vision, as the bike went up and down hills. Riding behind the Rifle 20" Screen is not unpleasant. It was comfortable to knock-off 500 miles per day. The air cocoon just hit the top of my helmet, and only when going round 18 wheelers, or worst, a group of trucks or one truck passing another, at 75 or 80 mph did I notice any turbulence. Cruising at 75 or 85 mph in the company of automobiles was a agreeable experience. I ran into rain twice during the trip. The first time I ducked under an overpass in Boonesville, Mo., and was joined by a civil engineer riding an BMW RS1100 from California. He worked for a large international engineering firm, and had just returned from building houses in one the of the Islamic States. His wife or girl friend, I never figured out which, had left him while he was overseas working. After getting debriefed in California his employer gave him two months vacation. He had grabbed his BMW and headed for Los Vagas only to discovered it had become a family resort, not what he was looking for. He was two days out of Vagas when he found me under the overpass. He was thinking of going to Chicago where an old girl friend from college days lived. As the rain stopped Bob, the engineer, had walked to the end of the overpass and noticed a place called "Showgirls" off in the woods adjacent to the interstate. "Showgirls" was a ramshackle shack with a hand painted sign across the front, "nude girls." But, that is another story, and probably for a different newsgroup. The second time I hit rain was just after leaving Effingham, Il. I was running Interstate 70 after coming up Interstates 24 and 57 from Paducah to Effingham for a business meeting. The rain was a moving thunderstorm. It was a heavy rain, but only lasted a few minutes. I ran right through it behind the Rifle without getting wet with the exception of my boots which are waterproof. During my two day wondering I noticed the unofficial national speed limit is around 80 mph. Missouri's Interstates are marked 70 mph, and those in Illinois and Kentucky have a legal speed of 65 mph. Regardless of the posted speed limit the traffic seemed to move a about 80 mph. The PC did not have a problem maintaining a 80 to 85 mph cruise, and I averaged over 43 miles per gallon. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:05:42 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:02:39 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Re: The Rifle Wind Screen Bernie, don't'cha think posting the weight of She Who Must Be Obeyed on the 'net is even more risky than doing 80 on the slab???? BernieK469@aol.com wrote: [...] With my wife, 110 > pounds, on back I was forced to look through the Rifle. [...] -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:22:05 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: I dropped my Baby At 11:19 8/22/96, 9312 wrote: >>>Do I win? Was that the dumbest way drop a bike? > >No. Try putting the sidestand down and leaning the bike over No, try, just after having gotten the bike, impressing your co-workers as you're all getting off work at half past four, and just as a bunch are collected at the crosswalk and you're at the stopsign, you put your feet on the pegs, lean the bike over dramatically knowing that you can "catch" yourself from falling by applying power; so you pop the throttle open, let out the clutch- and discover you're in neutral. Plop. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:31:43 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Flames and Fire Extinguishers Amen, Tim. Nice post. Thanks, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:59:42 -0500 Subject: Lawyers only (sorry) From: Rick Fisher To: "PC800 messages" I hate to use the forum improperly,but what the hell! I am interested in buying an R/C boat from a guy that lives in Toronto Canada. He is willing to give a written garauntee on the boat (it's used). My question is, is the garauntee going to help? Also what method of payment would protect me? I would like to have an attorney hold the money until I inspect the boat and actually run it. Some type of escrow account? Well what do you think? Other than that I shouldn't do this on the PC list? Thanks Sincere regards Rick Fisher fisher@HiWAAY.net Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SXi Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat $$$$$$$$$$ >>(FOR SALE) 1985 & 1986 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) << $$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:40:00 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage At 06:39 AM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >It used to be distributed by Capitol City Cycles in Herndon Virginia right >outside Washington DC (they advertise in most magazines). They recently lost >the distributorship and have converted to a competing product (Fandango). --------- Ummm... no, the fandango is a dance. The luggage brand is Nonfango :-) Very nice by the way, nicer in appearance than the Givis and you can get some factory colors matched. They do have a rack kit for the PC. Sorry, don't remember the cost. They also have the Bagster tank bag system for the PC. Maybe I'll go fish out those price lists... Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:48:59 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Miscellaneous Dana, At 10:21 AM 8/22/96 EDT, Dana Sawyer wrote: >Re: Trunk light. One of our members had a PC trunk light at STAR, which he was >trying to sell (he had sold his PC...boo!) Anyway, he didn't et any takers. Yes he did. Joannie Pennick bought it for $20.00 I believe. Then Cory installed them for her (remember the cutting with a pocket knife bit?). I almost got them myself, but in Alaska you usually don't need them if you can still ride :-) >Re: Change for tolls: Another reason to have an Aerostich suit...the small >pocket on the right sleeve works perfectly for that and other things, like >holding a chapstick and ear plugs. Yep. Too bad I didn't find any toll booths _after_ I bought my 'Stich (at the factory, no less). Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 09:54:00 PDT From: NorrisX Heckwine To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: I dropped my Baby Worse... Try stopping at a stop light where unknowingly, the road was covered with what had to be super lubricant. As I stood there waiting for the light to change and BOTH feet planted on the pavement, my prized PC800 started to slide SIDEWAYS! No matter how I struggled, I couldn't regain the bike's balance and I didn't dare move my feet from the last stable position I thought that I would be able to get. The most I could do was a muscle controlled lay down, from a dead stop. Then to add insult to injury, I had to lift the bike up and slide it sideways to a patch of clear pavement where the tires could grab a piece of asphalt to lift her back on two wheels. And naturally, I was in the front of a lane on a busy Southern California thoroughfare. Fortunately, nothing was damaged but my pride. It was at that point, I was thankful that I had gotten in the habit of always setting her in neutral at a stop light and for having a full face helmet to hide my embarrassment. :) I think this also classifies me for the moron thread too, or at least I felt like one. :\ Later... Norris Heckwine ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:39:55 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Miscellaneous In a message dated 96-08-22 10:37:22 EDT, 71430.340@CompuServe.COM (Dana L. Sawyer) writes: << e: Change for tolls: Another reason to have an Aerostich suit...the small pocket on the right sleeve works perfectly for that and other things, like holding a chapstick and ear plugs. >> Dana, I concur. The Motoport has one too. Probably copied it! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:39:56 -0400 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage In a message dated 96-08-22 12:44:02 EDT, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: << Ummm... no, the fandango is a dance. The luggage brand is Nonfango :-) Very nice by the way, nicer in appearance than the Givis and you can get >> Juan, OOOPS! You are so right (says he, dancing around the issue). I have to admit that I haven't seen the Nonfango, so I am very interested to hear from someone who has. Since the Givis are very nice, I am happy to hear that the Nonfango appears at least as good. Much appreciated. BTW, how does the luggage rack work with the trunk? Does it attach to the trunk lid so you have to lift it up when you open the trunk? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:55:35 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage At 01:39 PM 8/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >BTW, how does the luggage rack work with the trunk? Does it attach to the >trunk lid so you have to lift it up when you open the trunk? It attaches to the same mounting points as the backrest. Don't know if it would work on a bike with the backrest already installed. I don't think the extra weight would be a problem (I think most of us have had the rear seat overloaded at one time or another, with the gas strut taking it well). The one concern (little one) that I have is having that extra weight up high and to the rear, but then again maybe second gear wheelies might be possible :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:07:05 -0700 To: "Waldo E. Meeks" , Andrew Beals , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything At 12:02 PM 8/21/96 -0500, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > >I agree Gouch, I can be gone for a week and return with 200 PC e-mails to >read. I like this group a lot but please can we stay on the subject (what >ever that is). And this is the reason that a "digest" mode would be appreciated! (hint, hint) Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com 22 Aug 1996 14:16:49 -0500 (CDT) by radford.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10847 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:11:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:11:36 -0700 From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Givi Bags To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Folks - The new Givi Distributor is: Givi Concessionaires USA 805 Pressley Road, Suite 101 Charlotte, NC (704)-679-4123 - voice (704)-679-4133 - FAX I called them and asked for a brochure about a week ago; a few days later, I received a great, complete Givi product catalog in the mail. Very quick response, but I know little else about them. FYI........ Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:18:42 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: TedJ101@aol.com, jsherman@mail.telis.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Givi Hard Luggage Givi's number is 704 679-4123 Address: 805 Pressley Road Charlottr, NC 28217 Roger > In a message dated 96-08-11 14:53:06 EDT, jsherman@mail.telis.org (Jennifer > J. Sherman) writes: > > << While in Europe I saw many Africa twins with GIVI removable luggage. > The system was outstanding yet I can't seem to find any of it in the > USA> I'm located in LA - would be interested in mailording some for my > bikes >> > > It used to be distributed by Capitol City Cycles in Herndon Virginia right > outside Washington DC (they advertise in most magazines). They recently lost > the distributorship and have converted to a competing product (Fandango). > You might give them a call. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:17:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Meet at Highland House To all Chicagoland area riders and ironbutts in the Great Lakes area: PC800 riders are meeting at the Highland House Cafe (Rts. 22 & 41 in Highland Park, northern suburb of Chicago) on Sunday, September 15 anywhere from 9:00 to 10:30am. As per recent threads on the web site, you must: 1. bring your recent insurance invoice, 2. have a valid toll booth reciept, and 3. be ready to recreate your most embarassing bike drop! Just kidding, come as you are, whenever you want. Right now its just meet each other, walk around the parking lot (for those who have never been there on Sunday morning, there are usually 300 bikes from the latest crotchrockets, customized Harleys and really neat vintage bikes; usually see 2-4 PC800s) and trade lies. If anyone wants to plan a ride from the Highland House, he/she is welcome to do so (unfortunately I have to head out to O'Hare airport at about noon). Pleae post any other suggestions, ideas, etc. Hope to see you there! 22 Aug 1996 17:05:26 -0500 (CDT) by mint.mint.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA10369; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:05:15 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:52:53 -0500 From: Bill McKenna Subject: [Fwd: Upcoming Ride For Kids m/c events and more for PBTFUS] To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" Cc: pc800 newsletter --------------52BC139C2E9D More on the good cause program.... Bill McKenna --------------52BC139C2E9D ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:58:39 -0400 From: RFKMIKE@aol.com To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Upcoming Ride For Kids m/c events and more for PBTFUS rblank@amerhonda.com, Elbert.E.Silbaugh@boeing.com, MFZP11A@mail.prodigy.com, SPL311S@aol.com, halbert%smtpgate@fourhcouncil.edu, tinkler@ix.netcom.com, Wbs1@aol.com, RKA2@aol.com, HRASACTO@aol.com, stevjohn@interserv.com, Bmwbobs@aol.com, mitchell@info.census.gov, mitcher1@westat.com, pwicken@isomedia.com, Mikecatex@aol.com, LEROYPOWEL@aol.com, Aerostich@aol.com, jpetas@amerhonda.com, tamahone@digital.net, GSS10166@aol.com, CTuna666@aol.com, mwm@cyclenews.com, GSMcQueen@aol.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com UPCOMING RIDE FOR KIDS EVENTS If you like riding your motorcycle while feeling great about helping out some really neat kids, we invite you to join us in an upcoming Ride For Kids (RFK) event which raise funds for pediatric brain tumor research. For detailed info on the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States (PBTFUS) which conducts the events, and/or for RFK event info you can catch us on our internet website, http://members.aol.com/ride4kids or you can call the PBTFUS national headquarters at 800-253-6530. Fund raising kits are available through the PBTFUS and through many motorcycle dealers across America, especially the Honda dealers who help sponsor the events. The remaining 1996 National RFK events are: August 25 - Ann Arbor, MI - Dominoes Farms-- Both Dual Sport and Road events September 8 - Monroe, WA - County Fairgrounds - Road event September 15 - Columbia, MD - Columbia Mall - Road event October 20 - Vallejo, CA - Marina Vista Memorial Park - Road event Each of the ABOVE dates includes a drawing for a Honda motorcycle, Dunlop tires & RKA gear. You raise a minimum of $35 in donations to participate. Donations of $300 or more are requisite for drawing for motorcycle, etc.. Local upcoming motorcycling events to benefit the PBTFUS are; September 8 - Heidelberg, Germany - Contact Mike Moore at moorem@usafe20.ramstein.af.mil October 27 - Columbia, SC - At Columbia Honda dealer - Contact Dana Sawyer at 71430.340@CompuServe.COM Also 1997 Iron Butt long-rider Greg McQueen has designated his IB effort as a memorial to Derek Catt by raising funds for the PBTFUS during his quest to conquer 9,500 miles in eleven days aboard his ST 1100!! If your schedule allows we would sure enjoy seeing you at one of these great events!!!! Mike Traynor --------------52BC139C2E9D-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Digests (Was: not to be a grouch or anything) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 22 Aug 1996 17:13:34 -0500 Lines: 21 >>>>> "SF" == Spencer Farrow writes: SF> And this is the reason that a "digest" mode would be appreciated! SF> (hint, hint) Someone else is free to digestify the list, but I'm not interested in doing it. For those that don't know, I don't like digests. Users don't generally deal with them well, so you get lots of messages with subjects like "Re: PC800 Digest Vol3 #8" which are worse than useless. You also don't get threaded replies, and you tend to have people quoting the entire digest just to add a few lines. (We have some of that now, you know.) Add to that the fact that I'm just about topped out on time as it is, and the fact that I make the whole shebang available on the web and, well, I hope that you'll see that I'm not being unreasonable -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:12:57 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Steven D. Turner" Subject: Trunk Recall Maybe some of call can help me, I have been reading the archives about getting a replacement trunk free from Honda on 89PC800. Well I e-mailed Stubb's Cycles in Houston, Texas to find out more about it. Jerry Sutton is with Stubb's Cycles(e-mail JSutton@spacecity.com). This is what he wrote: Dear Steven, We have just spoke with the guys at the Honda Tech Line. They told us that there has been no recall for that item but that they have heard of this problem. They said a common cause of this is overstuffing the trunk for example with a helmet that is too wide. They have come out with a replacement liner that you can buy and they also suggest a more narrow tire. This will get you more clearance. If you have any other questions, please mail me. Thanks. Sincerely, Jerry Sutton Stubb's Cycles Houston, Texas Can anyone out there tell me what the real deal is? I'd appreciate it! Steven D. Turner ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:46:04 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > It also requires cutting the upholstery to fit the back part and no directions of any > sort were provided. Any hints, tips or dimensions pertaining to the required cut would be most appreciated as I should have my seat in a couple of weeks. (Give or take...) Thanks in advance. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:58:39 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Trunk Recall At 06:12 PM 8/22/96 -0500, Steven Turner wrote: >Maybe some of call can help me, > I have been reading the archives about getting a replacement trunk >free from Honda on 89PC800. Well I e-mailed Stubb's Cycles in Houston, Texas >to find out more about it. Jerry Sutton is with Stubb's Cycles(e-mail >JSutton@spacecity.com). This is what he wrote: >Dear Steven, ... >They said a common cause of this is overstuffing the trunk for >example with a helmet that is too wide. This is bull. The liner/tire design is what did it, specifically the Dunlop K555 which they put on the PC as a result of the production line move to Japan. The K177 does just fine. >They have come out with a >replacement liner that you can buy and they also suggest a more narrow tire. The replacement liner they (Honda) "came out with" is the re-designed liner for the 1990 model. Now if there was no design problem, why would Honda re-engineer it after only one year of production? Also please note that the K555 and K177 were custom designed for the PC800 _only_, so technically there is no "narrower tire". I say either you or your dealer is getting the run-around. If you used a larger tire, like the Elite 491 150/90 15, then it could be considered your fault, but otherwise it is Honda's. There was no recall as far as I know, but many PC owners have had the trunk liner on Honda's nickel. Keep trying. Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Claude Hill" To: Subject: PC800 Parts Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:38:36 -0500 Still trying to sell the original windshield and seat from my '89 PC800 Any offers??? Claude Hill Nashville, TN STOC#68 '92 ST1100 "The Sobe GhoST" pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:58:04 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Clock and Voltmeter To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I think I want to install a clock and voltmeter in the punchouts of my PC800. I'm looking for a pair of matched, backlit (blue would be nice) with white characters. In short, these meters should match the current intrumentation as close as possible :-). Has anyone seen these beasties out there? The clock would be a nice replacement of my little $5 LCD jobbie and would be visible at night. I'd like the voltmeter to keep track of the electrical system :-). I figure JC Whitney would have a pair but I don't have a catalogue just yet and thought I'd ask the list :-). Perhaps a marine outfitting store?... Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 01:35:59 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Dorman" Subject: RE: Meet at Highland House This is great! My Brother is getting ready to purchase a PC, lives in Dayton, and I know would probably love to go. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll have his by then. But, he's on the alias, so if he can make it I'm sure he'll try. Pauly - west 'coaster. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Dorman Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 2:17 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Meet at Highland House To all Chicagoland area riders and ironbutts in the Great Lakes area: PC800 riders are meeting at the Highland House Cafe (Rts. 22 & 41 in Highland Park, northern suburb of Chicago) on Sunday, September 15 anywhere from 9:00 to 10:30am. As per recent threads on the web site, you must: 1. bring your recent insurance invoice, 2. have a valid toll booth reciept, and 3. be ready to recreate your most embarassing bike drop! Just kidding, come as you are, whenever you want. Right now its just meet each other, walk around the parking lot (for those who have never been there on Sunday morning, there are usually 300 bikes from the latest crotchrockets, customized Harleys and really neat vintage bikes; usually see 2-4 PC800s) and trade lies. If anyone wants to plan a ride from the Highland House, he/she is welcome to do so (unfortunately I have to head out to O'Hare airport at about noon). Pleae post any other suggestions, ideas, etc. Hope to see you there! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 01:26:40 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, TedJ101@aol.com Subject: The poop on Trunk Wear through I've heard that some of the '89's had a problem with the rear tire rubbing and wearing through the trunk bed. I was only able to find one post in the archives (and yes, I feel much safer now that I checked, thank you). The post discussed Honda replacing parts if you have the problem. Can anyone set me straight on this? Do I need to think about a fix if I don't currently have mud tracks up my back? I'm nervous about not settling this before I ride 2 up with a full trunk and possibly an extra rack back there. Thanks - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of TedJ101@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 10:39 AM To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage In a message dated 96-08-22 12:44:02 EDT, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: << Ummm... no, the fandango is a dance. The luggage brand is Nonfango :-) Very nice by the way, nicer in appearance than the Givis and you can get >> Juan, OOOPS! You are so right (says he, dancing around the issue). I have to admit that I haven't seen the Nonfango, so I am very interested to hear from someone who has. Since the Givis are very nice, I am happy to hear that the Nonfango appears at least as good. Much appreciated. BTW, how does the luggage rack work with the trunk? Does it attach to the trunk lid so you have to lift it up when you open the trunk? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:35:24 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage Juan A. Goula wrote: > >It used to be distributed by Capitol City Cycles in Herndon Virginia right > >outside Washington DC (they advertise in most magazines). They recently lost > >the distributorship and have converted to a competing product (Fandango). > --------- > > Ummm... no, the fandango is a dance. The luggage brand is Nonfango :-) > Very nice by the way, nicer in appearance than the Givis and you can get > some factory colors matched. They do have a rack kit for the PC. Sorry, > don't remember the cost. They also have the Bagster tank bag system for the > PC. Maybe I'll go fish out those price lists... > > Juan > I purchased the Nonfango rack for the PC this spring, nice rack, there is a picture of mine on the PC800 web page I think. I will probably buy a 45-50 liter trunk to go on it this winter. The rack is (was) $125 including shipping. 46-52 liter top cases range from $200-320. The cheap top case that is pictured with the rack was $60 from JC Whitney. It's OK, but cannot be removed without tools. It would be nice to be able to take it in to the motel room with you. Service from Capital Cycle wasn't too bad, as soon as they admitted that they no longer had the Givi distribution rights, this took about 2 months! Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:45:32 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage TedJ101@aol.com wrote: > admit that I haven't seen the Nonfango, so I am very interested to hear from > someone who has. Since the Givis are very nice, I am happy to hear that the > Nonfango appears at least as good. > > BTW, how does the luggage rack work with the trunk? Does it attach to the > trunk lid so you have to lift it up when you open the trunk? > Yes, the luggage rack attaches with the mounting bolts for the side rails, so the rack goes up when the trunk opens. There is a picture on the PC800 web page of the Nonfango rack I got this spring. The fact that it does go up and down with the trunk is another reason for my wanting the Nonfango luggage to go with it, easy removal allows you to take it off so that you don't have to lift a full top case with the trunk lid. This would also mean you should pack so that you won't need to get into the trunk often. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:49:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Baby-dropping Well, since everyone's airing their errors in public re: Baby-dropping... At a parking lot in front of a coffee shop...with plenty of witnesses... I stopped the StealthMobile in the parking slot, being sooo cool, because I knew a lot of people were looking out of the windows of the Starbucks shop. Kicked the kickstand down, let go of the bike, and --kerplunk!--it fell right over. Seems the kickstand needs be extended fully in order to hold the weight of the Bike! Duh... I now automatically look down to ensure that the bike is coming down on the kickstand. (Are we testing the "Moron" theory alluded to in a previous post?) Tim ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:57:50 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Rifle windshield In a message dated 96-08-21 21:23:24 EDT, jhyder@erols.com writes: << and people with black 94s and 95s probably wouldn't notice anything. >> That's been my experience on my wife's black '95. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:57:48 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything In a message dated 96-08-21 16:22:38 EDT, b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) writes: << Z--I agree with everything you say, however, I am disturbed by your comment that our group lacks diversity and possibly political correctness, to wit: > We don't seem to have any morons among us, >> This really reached my funny bone. Thanks for the memories! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:57:45 -0400 To: davidg@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything In a message dated 96-08-21 13:22:57 EDT, davidg@MICROSOFT.com (David Gordon) writes: << I disagree with Andrew's comment. These, in my opinion, are perfectly acceptable topics, as they are of interest to us as motorcyclists. >> David, Thank god. I can't believe that some people really think that they should be able to dictate what the users here should talk about (assuming we are at least in the area of motorcycles inlcuding PC's). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:57:48 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, asb@cisco.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: not to be a grouch or anything In a message dated 96-08-21 19:52:31 EDT, garyklim@SNET.Net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << Our PC group should be viewed in the context of riding friends who have stopped at a cafe after a long ride. Conversation generated by those with a common passion for riding is bound to be of interest to others in the group. I would hate to feel like I'm attending an "Enforced Recreation Seminar"... >> Gary, I think this is a particularly appropriate approach and a very helpful post. Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:57:49 -0400 To: Smcavin@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Moving/shipping In a message dated 96-08-21 15:02:28 EDT, Smcavin@aol.com writes: << Well, I've located a few PC's - Was wondering if anyone has any information on shipping the bike. Looks like approx. 750 miles. I know most of you would say "why not just drive it"? Since I'm purchasing a (used) PC and I'm not real familiar with the bike, I think I shipping is the safe alternative. Especially by myself. >> Well, you sure predicted my reaction. I assume that you are worried about making your first journey on a PC a long one. If that is the case, I would set that worry aside. Assuming that you have some experience as a motorcyclist (as opposed to being a novice who needs to learn both the PC and how to stay alive on a motorcycle), I would ride it back. The PC is one of the easiest motorcycles to ride that I have ever ridden. I didn't expect it to be that way given its weight and all, but it is. You should have no trouble with that journey at all. Heck, you can do most of it on the superslab if it doesn't bore you to death. If you are simply worried about having some company, if you posted your itinerary, maybe some of the people on the list would meet up with you on your journey and ride along for a bit. That might be fun in a different sort of way. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clock and Voltmeter There was quite a thread on this about 4 months back, so you should find plenty in the archives. J. C. Whitney does have what you want. I have a Whitney catalog at home that I'll bring in tomorrow. I also *think* I have a card for a catalog. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Steven D. Turner'" Subject: RE: Trunk Recall Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:45:36 -0700 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/pc800/pc800trv.html I called American Honda with the information in the above site, specifically under Micellaneous Trivia... They called me back a few hours later saying "no such thing as a perfect vehicle... long past warrantee... want a happy customer... etc". Then added "have your dealer call and we'll work something out..." I got a new trunk liner about a week later, at no cost to me. Also remember that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Popcorn is just a way to get your system filled with grease and salt. But without the popcorn it just isn't the same. >---------- >From: Steven D. Turner[SMTP:sturner@blkbox.COM] >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 6:12 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Trunk Recall > >Maybe some of call can help me, > I have been reading the archives about getting a replacement trunk >free from Honda on 89PC800. Well I e-mailed Stubb's Cycles in Houston, Texas >to find out more about it. Jerry Sutton is with Stubb's Cycles(e-mail >JSutton@spacecity.com). This is what he wrote: > > >Dear Steven, > We have just spoke with the guys at the Honda Tech Line. They told us >that there has been no recall for that item but that they have heard of this >problem. They said a common cause of this is overstuffing the trunk for >example with a helmet that is too wide. They have come out with a >replacement liner that you can buy and they also suggest a more narrow tire. >This will get you more clearance. If you have any other questions, please >mail me. Thanks. > > >Sincerely, > >Jerry Sutton >Stubb's Cycles >Houston, Texas > > > > > Can anyone out there tell me what the real deal is? > >I'd appreciate it! >Steven D. Turner > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:31:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:37:22 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin seat Bob D. Call Corbin. Ask for STEVE C. Tell him I sent you. Seats are available. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:41:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Moving/shipping Don't ship it. I just returned from a 1000 round trip. If you have any motorcycle experience 700 miles of interstate will just be time. Hold your speed down to 55 of 60 mph for the first full hundred miles if you feel unsure of your self. Don't forget to bring a correct fitting full faced helmet, light weight riding gloves and a light jacket to wear at night. The interstate is a lot safer, and much more easy to ride than the two lane back roads. with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:11:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:10:50 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Digests Thanks Jason! Digests are one notch above unsubscribing! If you don't want to read a message, delete it. Please everybody, quote sparingly, adjust subject lines as appropriate, ride safely, and and get on with life. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:27:03 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Re: Digests >Thanks Jason! > >Digests are one notch above unsubscribing! Make mine another vote against digests. Two professional lists to which I need to subscribe use digests, and while the concept is neat, the reality is like riding your PC through knee-deep mud for miles. Deleting is just a lot quicker than scrolling.IMHO--Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 18:08:14 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires and other misc. Content-Id: <15_61_1_840838094> The misc first. Although I don't have too much of a problem with MC discussions that aren't specifically PC-related, I do have a suggestion that I think would improve the list a little. If you're sending a note that just says "Welcome" to a newcomer or "Good story" or "Right!" etc., may I suggest you send it only to the original poster, and not the whole list? Unless it's something all of us *need* to know, save the bandwidth. Another thing: if you're interested in buying or selling a bike, or getting together for a ride, etc., it would help to know where you are. A lot of people don't include their city/state in their message or their signature line, but seem to assume we know where they are. About tires, the original Dunlops on my '89 did not wear well: I replaced them at about 10,000 miles, and didn't like their handling much from day one. (I am not especially hard on my tires.) It has occurred to me that since I bought the bike new in '91, the poor wear may have been related to their age, but the Metzlers I bought as replacements handled *much* better and still had tread left at 13,000 miles when I bought new Metzlers this spring. However, based on comments here recently, it may be that Dunlop has significantly improved their product in the last seven years. Without jumping to the archives to check, I seem to recall that a fair number of people complaining about Dunlops were '89 or '90 owners. Since Metzlers are 1) more expensive and b) harder to get than Dunlops, I may give Dunlop a second chance next time 'round. (Of course that probably won't be till the end of next summer or the spring of 1998.) Would anyone who has ridden Metzlers and newer Dunlops care to compare their handling characteristics for us? --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:43:10 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Tires and other misc. At 06:08 PM 8/23/96 +0600, you wrote: >About tires, the original Dunlops on my '89 did not wear well: I replaced >them at about 10,000 miles, and didn't like their handling much from day >one. (I am not especially hard on my tires.) Do you remember what tires were on your bike? Were they the K555's or 177's? The general concensus is that the 555's are good only as "shipping rim protectors" I replaced mine at around 7k (they needed it, both) and the next set, 177's again at around 8k but the rear on that set had about 1k left, the front one about 2k. I replaced them just to make sure I'd be able to make it back to Alaska with decent rubber. The PC is now on its third set, again 177's, with no complaint towards handling or wear. They performed just as well as Cory's Metzlers, with comparable wear as well. The only time I noticed any difference was in the mud and really loose stuff, where the ML2's had a bit of an edge with their more agressive tread pattern. But that's picking nits here. >However, based on comments here recently, it may be that Dunlop has >significantly improved their product in the last seven years. Without >jumping to the archives to check, I seem to recall that a fair number of >people complaining about Dunlops were '89 or '90 owners. I've heard that both Meztler and Dunlop have improved their compounds, such is the nature of industrial progress. >Since Metzlers are 1) more expensive and b) harder to get than Dunlops, I >may give Dunlop a second chance next time 'round. (Of course that probably >won't be till the end of next summer or the spring of 1998.) I don't think you'd be dissapointed with the Dunlops. Who knows, maybe by then another manufacturer will have tires for the PC? (make them radials, please). Ride safe. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: attorney@geocities.com Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:06:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:03:22 -0500 To: Rick Fisher , "PC800 messages" Subject: Re: Lawyers only (sorry) At 10:59 AM -0500 8/22/96, Rick Fisher wrote: > >I hate to use the forum improperly,but what the hell! > >I am interested in buying an R/C boat from a guy that lives in Toronto >Canada. He is willing to give a written garauntee on the boat (it's >used). My question is, is the garauntee going to help? Also what method >of payment would protect me? I would like to have an attorney hold the >money until I inspect the boat and actually run it. Some type of escrow >account? > >Well what do you think? Sounds like you're thinking in a constructive manner. An escrow account, held by either your, or his attorney would be cool, if he is agreeable. You don't need a lawyer to hold escrow; it can be a mutually agreeable third party, preferably under a written escrow agreement. - Jeff =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Give me ambiguity or give me something else. "Don't Pee on My Leg and Tell Me It's Raining" -- NYC family court Judge Judy Sheindlin engraved on a tombstone... "I TOLD YOU I WAS SICK" Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.-- (By then, he's a mile away, you have his shoes, and you can say whatever the hell you want about him.) Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. -- Groucho Marx If thine enemy wrong thee, buy each of his children a drum. Sponges grow in the ocean. That just kills me. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be if that didn't happen. -- Steven Wright Q: What happens if you sing country music backwards? A: You get your job and your wife back. PSA: Report telemarketing fraud and suspicious internet commercial activity to the National Fraud Information Center: 800-876-7060 http://www.fraud.org/=20 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 00:48:39 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "Rick Fisher" , "PC800 messages" , attorney@geocities.com Subject: RE: Lawyers only (sorry) OK - I can feel steam starting to build up inside my computer. But before we all start another 50 message condemnation discussion about inappropriate email to the PC800 list all over again ... how about (and this is only a suggestion) everyone on the PC800 list just ignore this message (only a small part included below)... like we did his last one, and hope they both go away. In fact, I'll be insulted if you even CC: the PC800 list in agreement! However, please feel encouraged to let the guy know if his mail really bothered you. Thanks - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of attorney@geocities.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 1996 6:03 PM To: Rick Fisher; PC800 messages Subject: Re: Lawyers only (sorry) At 10:59 AM -0500 8/22/96, Rick Fisher wrote: > >I hate to use the forum improperly,but what the hell! > >I am interested in buying an R/C boat from a guy that lives in Toronto >Canada. He is willing to give a written garauntee on the boat (it's >used). My question is, is the garauntee going to help? Also what method >of payment would protect me? I would like to have an attorney hold the >money until I inspect the boat and actually run it. Some type of escrow >account? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: , "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Tires and other misc. Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:06:07 -0400 I don't believe any new PCs come with other than K555s, the Japanese Dunlops. The US Dunlops are the oem approved replacements. I just ordered a set of K177s from Chaparral @$164.94 plus $6.50 shipping per tire. The Metzelers are becoming too pricey and scarce for what they offer. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- > From: Juan A. Goula > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Re: Tires and other misc. > Date: Friday, August 23, 1996 7:43 PM > > At 06:08 PM 8/23/96 +0600, you wrote: > >About tires, the original Dunlops on my '89 did not wear well: I replaced > >them at about 10,000 miles, and didn't like their handling much from day > >one. (I am not especially hard on my tires.) > > Do you remember what tires were on your bike? Were they the K555's or 177's? > The general concensus is that the 555's are good only as "shipping rim > protectors" I replaced mine at around 7k (they needed it, both) and the > next set, 177's again at around 8k but the rear on that set had about 1k > left, the front one about 2k. I replaced them just to make sure I'd be able > to make it back to Alaska with decent rubber. The PC is now on its third > set, again 177's, with no complaint towards handling or wear. They > performed just as well as Cory's Metzlers, with comparable wear as well. > The only time I noticed any difference was in the mud and really loose > stuff, where the ML2's had a bit of an edge with their more agressive tread > pattern. But that's picking nits here. > > >However, based on comments here recently, it may be that Dunlop has > >significantly improved their product in the last seven years. Without > >jumping to the archives to check, I seem to recall that a fair number of > >people complaining about Dunlops were '89 or '90 owners. > > I've heard that both Meztler and Dunlop have improved their compounds, such > is the nature of industrial progress. > > >Since Metzlers are 1) more expensive and b) harder to get than Dunlops, I > >may give Dunlop a second chance next time 'round. (Of course that probably > >won't be till the end of next summer or the spring of 1998.) > > I don't think you'd be dissapointed with the Dunlops. Who knows, maybe by > then another manufacturer will have tires for the PC? (make them radials, > please). > Ride safe. > > Juan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:20:50 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Throttlemeister Cruise Control Greetings all, For those of you who receive Motorcyclist Magazine, turn to page 77 of the Oct '96 issue. For the rest of you, there's a write-up of a cruise control which works on the same principle of the Wrist-Rest. It's made entirely of stainless steel, is no larger than the OEM bar end, *and* it comes with a matching bar end for the other side. They don't mention the PC by name (although they do list VFR and ST1100) but they sell adapter kits for other bikes. I will FAX them and inquire if one is made for the PC. The retail is $90 plus $10-$20 for adapter kit. For inquiring minds: Marker Machine Inc. 5240 N. 124th St. Milwaukee, WI 53225 Phone (414) 464-6060 FAX (414) 464-9423 gk -- ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:17:57 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:33:06 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: web page/test rides stand by for a new design on our PC page, thanks to Eric Matthews, Neil and I! I'll post a test url soon for graphic comments..the links probably won't work. also, I took a Goldwing for a test ride!! Like a sofa with wheels...BIG fun...BIG bike. So between the Wing, the Magna, and the ACE that I've tested lately... ........I'll stick with my PC -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 05:59:25 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:Across the River and Into the Trees My wife and I are leaving this morning for a jaunt across central Missouri, from Kansas City to a place called Steelville, Mo. We are going to be camping just outside of Steelville and spend six hours floating down a river in a rubber raft. From Steelville we may wander through the Mark Twain National Forest into the Ozarks for a day or two, depending upon the weather. It looks like about a three and one half hour run from KC to Steelville. It will be four lane, non interstate for the first 90 miles. The next sixty miles, according to the map, appears to be two lane black top. The last sixty miles is two lane winding Ozark blacktop. It is remarkable what you can get in the PC's boot, if you pack carefully. My wife and I are going to be staying in a camp, either in a tent or a small trailer. We are hoping for the trailer as either of us are the real outdoors type. The weather report says it will be in the mid eighties during the day, with the nights dropping into the low sixties or high fifties. We must bring our own sheets, towels and blanket. We plan to use the PC boot inserts as pillows. I hope the campfire is warm. Until the PC my wife though roughing it was a week-end at the local Holiday Inn, "wind in your face" was opening the sun roof on the Acura and a bug was something in someone else's kitchen. I am sure putting the miles on the PC. I have had it for less than a year and I am going on 18,000 miles. I sure hope there is another PC to buy when I wear this one out, as it sure takes my wife and I to new and exciting places. I will write a trip report, if any one is interested, when I get back. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:56:41 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:12:25 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: NEW WWW PAGE DESIGN!!! Hi gang. well, we've been busy little beavers. Special thanks to Eric Matthews for his Graphic expertese...this is just round one, so lets get some ideas flowing. Stand by, Neil...this could be a wild ride :>) I know, the main graphic that will be turned into an Image Map is too big. We're working on it. CHECK IT OUT: http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/PC800/pcnew.html -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:25:35 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter Subject: PC QUIZ #1 Or... So you think you know the PC??? PC 800, 2 cyl, carburated. Premium fuel. 3500 miles new (96) @ 2500 miles the power decreases on the uphill, the tach goes wild, 2000-7000-2000 over and over while power is decreasing, no relation to engine speed ....Downshift to no avail. Neutral has no effect. Stop . It dies. Shut it off....start it... it's OK. 400 miles later it happens again. Identically. then 250 miles later, plus a very hard start. Then again 130 miles later, then 8 miles later. The hook. Additional clues: on occurrence tail lights go out, as do dash lights...battery connections good. Engine shuts off of its own accord. Engine temp normal. All components present and accounted for. ::::::CAUTION:::::::: Person who guesses the right answer will be know as the "list guru for obscure, yet annoying problems" and will be hounded to the ends of the planet by PCers everywhere. Winner determined by accuracy as determined by the official determined HONDA Diagnosis and undetermined repair sheet ( warranty). They have a financial incentive to get it correct the first time, since HRCA towed 'er in today on a BEE-OOOO-ti-fullll Freightliner flatbed... [and didn't she look tiny on that!!??] Offer void except where prohibited. Ideas?? Comments?? Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:56:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: New PC-800 Web Page A thumbs-up with one suggestion: Use the photo from the background test page for the home page main photo. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:39:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: What would YOU do? If you were going to be studying in London for a full year (with the obvious opportunities for touring the UK and Europe), would you go to the trouble and expense (looks like $700, roughly) of shipping your PC over? This is the dilemma I face, and I'm concerned about things like import duties and insurance over there. Roger Prince suggested that I take it over, sell it when my time there is up, then buy a new one on my return to the States. I wonder if I might almost break even this way? If anybody has experience with this sort of thing or any other input, I'd be grateful for your thoughts. Many thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:20:53 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: Bill McKenna CC: pc800 newsletter Subject: Re: PC QUIZ #1 Bill McKenna wrote: > > @ 2500 miles the power decreases on the uphill, the tach goes wild, > 2000-7000-2000 over and over while power is decreasing, no relation to engine > speed ....Downshift to no avail. Neutral has no effect. Stop . It dies. Shut > it off....start it... it's OK. > Bill, I don't know if this is the problem, but I would check the battery connections, most likely the ground cable. I had a similiar problem with my Buell last year, not quite as bad, but I think this may cause the tach to go wild, and if bad enough effect the engine performance. As for it going away, well it may just be coincidence that the cable settled to a good spot. Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH jleech@erinet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:24:15 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: Bill McKenna CC: pc800 newsletter Subject: Re: PC QUIZ #1 Bill McKenna wrote: > @ 2500 miles the power decreases on the uphill, the tach goes wild, > 2000-7000-2000 over and over while power is decreasing, no relation to engine > speed ....Downshift to no avail. Neutral has no effect. Stop . It dies. Shut > it off....start it... it's OK. > > 400 miles later it happens again. Identically. > > then 250 miles later, plus a very hard start. > > Then again 130 miles later, then 8 miles later. The hook. > > Additional clues: on occurrence tail lights go out, as do dash > lights...battery connections good. Engine shuts off of its own accord. Engine > temp normal. All components present and accounted for. OK, I just saw where the battery connections are good, well, check the other end of the ground cable, I haven't looked for mine recently so I don't quite know the exact position, but my guess is you will need to pull the side access panel on one side or the other. Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:39:22 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Vermont trip Greetings, fellow Pacific Coasters. I have enjoyed the trip reports that others have posted, so I feel obliged to taking a stab at entertaining you all with an account of my recent trip to the bucolic state of Vermont. My girlfriend Katharine and I planned the two-up adventure on rather short notice...like two days. Neither of us had ever been to Vermont before, despite having lived in Boston for five (me) and three (her) years. Looking at a map, wondering where to stay that would be a reasonable ride from Boston yet provide easy access to the rest of the state, our eyes were drawn to Rutland. It's central, looks like a manageable ride from here, and--hey--I live on Rutland Street. We booked a Bed and Breakfast inn that sounded nice (found it on AOL) and hit the road the next day. We started off down Route 2 on a Thursday morning after somehow managing to fit clothes and books for five days into Annie's trunk (I have no tank bag) and a small backpack that Katharine wore. There's not much to say about Route 2. It's basically a small interstate in that you don't see much of the towns you're passing. I can report, however, receiving yet another indication of my advancing age while on that road (I turn 30 soon, and I know that it probably sounds pathetic to a lot of you older folks that I should be whining about it, but there it is: it bugs me). At least this signal was more humorous than a sore back or painful knees: I realized that the annoying thing irritating my right eye was not a speck of foreign material, but rather a hair dangling down from my eyebrow! Okay, on to more serious matters: product testing. I have owned a two-piece Aerostitch for about a month now, and this trip was the first serious riding I had done in it. Day one was hot, humid, and hazy, so it was a real test of the suit's ventilation system. At highway speeds I felt quite comfortable, much to my surprise (for those who don't know, the Aerostitch weighs a ton...good for protection, but it makes one think twice about putting it on when it's hot). It was later, as we passed through town centers, that i felt like I was baking. Later, in Vermont, we experienced some cool, even chilly weather. Zipping up turned the 'Stitch into a highly effective wind barrier. When it started to rain one morning, it didn't affect my ride in the slightest: I was already waterproof and comfortable. In summary, I'm very impressed with the Aerostitch and highly recommend it to anyone looking for safety and versatility in a riding garment. The other piece of gear I was trying out was a Mirage Hydro-Cell. Huh? If you've heard of Camelbacks you know what this is...it's just Gregory's version. Basically, for the uninitiated, these products are water bladders holding from a liter to several liters that one wears on one's back and drinks from through a plastic tube with a "bite valve" on the end. They're particularly popular with cyclists. Well, ever since I nearly died of heat stroke back in high school, I've been an uncommonly thirsty person. On long motorcycle rides I've tended to ride until I felt painfully parched, then stop and drink half a liter or more quickly (which, of course, is too much water for my body to use at that moment, so I get into a cycle of thirst, gulping, and bathroom breaks that cuts down on my enjoyment). The Hydro-Cell allowed me to sip small amounts of water at more frequent intervals for a more comfortable and uninterrupted ride. I highly recommend this system to anybody who gets thirsty on the road. Back to the trip. After we switched to secondary roads west of the Quabbin reservoir I felt like our vacation had actually started. The winding backroads of western Mass offer pleasant small towns, farms, forests, and a garage or barn entirely covered with various license plates. We had lunch in a nice family-style restaurant in Brattleboro after just nippiing the corner of New Hampshire (no, we didn't take our helmets off). The afternoon took us up Route 5 along the Connecticut River, then west through the Green Mountains and up Route 7 (through, unfortunately, an area of strip malls and fast food joints) into Rutland. The Inn at Rutland proved charming and comfortable and, even though we weren't thrilled with Rutland itself (turns out it's the second-largest city in the state), it served us well as a base of operations. Our first night we turned on the TV for the weather report and saw a feature on the Caledonia County Fair, replete with livestock costume contests and pig racing. Naturally, we had to see it for ourselves, so on Friday we blasted up I-91, largely in the rain, to Lyndonville up in the Northeast part of the state. The Fair met or exceeded all our expectations. The turkey dinner at the Methodist ladies' tent was good, the rabbits were cute, the cows were big and smelly, and, while we enjoyed the ferris wheel, the "Cobra" ride definitely exceeded our expectations...almost to the point of nausea (see, I am getting old). After we no longer felt dizzy from the Cobra, we headed to Montpelier, a charming little town if ever there was one. I think straddling a stream or river does a lot for a town, providing an organizing shape, open space, and scenic beauty. The architecture, including the capitol building, is nice, there are nice shops and restaurants, and the people seem friendly. We liked Montpelier. At this point, Katharine decided she still felt a little sick from the Cobra and she wanted to be back at the Inn sooner than later. Vroom. We hit I-89 and I did my little bit to prove that state troopers are scarce (or lax) in Vermont. I suppose we averaged 85, and we pushed just over 95 once, as fast as I've ever ridden. (I thought K wasn't paying attention, but she made a comment later about my speed...I guess she was watching over my shoulder the whole time and had some ideas about everything over 85. "Well, the road was in great condition and traffic was light, and you felt bad, so I just figured...") Anyway, a few miles before our exit I found myself thinking what a great, trouble-free bike I owned. I mean, I've had it for two years with no real problem, and here I was two-up cruising easily at 85+. Just great. Well, Murphy's Law: when I slowed down on the exit ramp I heard a curious noise-takatakatakatakataka-coming from the engine. Well, Kath was just feeling worse all the time and the bike seemed to be performing normally, so, with strong misgivings, I continued back to Rutland and rest. The next morning the HRCA put me in touch with the local shop, which agreed to see me right away. I started Annie up and, sure enough, there was that annoying clatter. Halfway to the shop, however, Murphy intervened again: I leaned low over the bike, incredulous, but the noise was gone. Oh, well. The mechanic I talked to speculated that a particle might have been interfering with one of the hydraulic valve lifters, then have worked itself loose. So the day wasn't ruined. We cruised up to Middlebury, where we walked around and ate lunch at a great cafe by the river (first place I've seen a lamb sandwich-delicious!). The local beer, Otter Creek, is worth looking out for, by the way. We rode around the college, then headed up to Burlington, where we lounged by Lake Champlain and sampled the goods at the original Ben & Jerry's. Yum! Okay, now, if you've just been skimming to look for good motorcycling tips, this is the time to pay attention. On the ride back to Rutland we detoured East off Route 7 onto Route 17 to cross the Lincoln Gap over the mountains. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the closest I've been to motorcycling nirvana. The road is smooth, pristine blacktop that winds back and forth for 15 or 20 miles. The road climbs quite steeply in many places, and there are some very serious hairpin turns, not all of them marked (you can't be lulled into depending on the warning signs). Considering that Katharine had been scared earlier in the trip when I had scraped a peg (first time for me-curve of surprisingly diminishing radius), I didn't push it too hard, but it was definitely challenging and fun. We stopped at the top to admire the scenic view and watch with amusement, then growing annoyance, as a couple of men drove golf ball after ball into the forest, trying to reach the lake that lay far below. People are strange. The next day we checked out of the inn and headed east on 4. We spent a couple of hours in the idyllic town of Woodstock, eating lunch, exploring the historical museum, and wandering around. Then it was on to New Hampshire and Dartmouth College, where Katharine hoped to visit a friend (she proved to be out of town, but they met up two days later when the friend was passing through Boston). We stayed in another lovely bed and breakfast in a house that dated to colonial times (only after rejecting another place that we couldn't stand for all the cheesey "craftsy" decorations, including a stuffed bunny rabbit in a hat and jacket sitting in a miniature rocking chair in what would have been our bedroom). The last day we just meandered south through NH to the Mass border, then back to old Boston. It's strange considering their similar geography, history, and population, but New Hampshire and Vermont have very different feelings. In Vermont, it seemed to us that the people respect the landscape and historic buildings, while in New Hampshire it was more common to see large areas cleared of trees and unattractive concrete buildings mixed in with the older town buildings. It's hard to articulate, but Vermont has a friendlier, more inviting feeling. Perhaps it's in our heads. But there must be a real difference in the people: Vt. is one of the most liberal states in the country, while NH is one of the most conservative. In summary, Vermont is wonderful and has some great riding, both in terms of scenery (cows, barns, forests, hills, cows, lakes, cows...) and fun roads. I would recommend that you make your base of operations a bit further north than Rutland, but it wasn't really bad. Katharine loved riding, while around Boston she'd always been a bit ambivalent about the experience. The Aerostitch is awesome. The water bladder thing works well. And the PC is a great, comfortable, fun bike. But, then, you all knew that already. :-) >>Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.<< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: Re: reunion - trip report To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Trip Report - McMinnville, OR to Santa Fe, NM and back Flash Back: Vietnam, 1969 - O.B. from New Jersey, Tom from Ohio, and I from Oregon, are sitting in a torrential downpour. It is nearing daybreak, we are soaked to the bone. The other marines are either sleeping or pretending to be. We wonder who's wisdom sent us to this ridiculous spot to set up an ambush. The Vietcong are too smart to be out in the weather. Our discussion wends its way to poker and Tom happens to mention that his father's plane crew from WWII used to get together every few years or so for a poker game. We look at each other - and in that moment a resolution is made: if we ever get back to "the world" we vow that we always remain in touch and get together as often as possible. Fast forward a few months. O.B. and Tom are on their way home. Each is now a disabled veteran. I keep wondering who is luckier - they who have been sent home with parts missing or me, intact but losing my grip. Fast forward - August, 1970. The three of us get together in Washington D.C.. O.B. is out of the hospital, Tom is also but will soon be going back in. I am just hitch hiking around the country, letting my hair grow a little bit and trying to figure out what to do next. We see the Cleveland Indians whip the Washington Senators. Fast forward - April, 1986. The three of us get together in Durango, Colorado. We spend a lot of time drinking Corona beer and trying to se who can consume the most hot sauce. I love these guys. Fast forward again, to July 29, 1996. I have been nervous for this day for months. I spent hours yesterday washing the PC, packing the PC, getting my map glad bag organized again and again. At 7:05 am I kiss Shelley good bye in the driveway and leave McMinnville. I'm on my way to Santa Fe to see O.B. and Tom. The plan is for everyone to arrive in Santa Fe on August 1st. O.B. and Liz are coming from Newark, Tom and Peggy from Boulder, and Shelley will be flying in from Portland and will ride home with me. It will be the first time we have all been together with our wives. Everyone is nervous. The weather forecast is good - it should be sunny and hot all day. About 30 minutes from home I hit the first rain. Showers all day until I hit the Idaho border and it finally turns hot. The ride east from Portland on I-84 is even beautiful in the rain. I have always loved cruising along the Columbia River Gorge. I often sing as I ride. Today it is the Marine Corps Hymn and various old country & western songs. I feel so pumped! I-82 is the freeway you would take if you were heading from Seattle to Salt Lake City. I-84 goes from Portland to Salt Lake City. They merge just west of Pendleton, Oregon. Usually I don't even notice the intersection of the freeways. Today was different. One moment I am riding all by myself - the Lone Wolf heading east. The next moment I find myself being merged smack in the middle of a group of about 50 bikers. The group actually appears to be three groups, judging from the motorcycle club jackets spread among the riders. After a few minutes of feeling like a gang member I decide to leave these guys behind. It takes about 15 minutes of weaving and cutting. Lots of Harleys and Goldwings, a BMW or two and I think I even saw an old BSA. No PC to be found. I decide to bed down at the Motel 6 in Twin Falls. I go out for a walk, stop at a small restaurant for dinner, pick up a little reading material at a bookstore and head back to the motel. The parking lot is now crowded with motorcycles. My gang has caught up with me. About 5 of them are standing around my PC, pointing here and there and trying to peak in to see the engine. I notice something I hadn't noticed on the road - they are all black. I get to talking with several of them and learn that they are all heading to Denver's Stapleton Airport for some kind of black motorcyclist convention. Most remember seeing me earlier in the day. Eventually it gets dark and I head to bed. All in all a pretty nice day - except for the rain. 591 miles. July 30 - Got an early start. Beat my brethren to the free coffee at the Motel 6 and headed east. Southern Idaho is pretty in the morning. I enjoy the desolation. Just me and the sagebrush. I work my way toward Vernal, Utah and recall spending many hours there while hitchhiking across country in 1970. I head east to Dinosaur and then due south through Rangly, CO. Rangly sports a stoplight, which is real interesting as there is virtually no traffic. About 4-5 blocks before I reach the big intersection I see a kid, maybe 12, running lickety-split toward the intersection. He gets there just in time to push the walk button and cause the light to turn red. I come to a stop and see the kid standing next to me with a huge smile and a look that says "You had to stop - I won." I acknowledge his victory wih a wave and he waves back. Not much to do in Rangly I guess. The trip from Rangly to Grand Junction is beautiful. Moving, in fact. There are almost no cars. I realize that I enjoy remote, lonely roads. I try to figure out how I could be a motorcycling Robinson Carusoe. Can't figure it out. The day ends for me in Grand Junction. 552 miles for the day. August 30. I make it to Montrose, Ridgeway, Ouray, Silverton, Durango, Pagosa Springs, and eventually Santa Fe. I didn't really plan to go this far - but I am anxious to be here. We are supposed to meet tomorrow at the Inn of the Anasazi but tonite it is Motel 6 again for me. I take a long walk and have dinner at a Chinese restaurant. It is empty of customers except for me. I try out my Chinese on the waitress but she doesn't speak a word of it. So she brings her mother out from the kitchen. She sits at my table and we talk for a long time. When I tell her I am riding a "mo to che" she gets her husband, her daughter, her daughter's boyfriend, and another person to come out and look at the bike. I feel so proud. I give the daughter's boyfriend a ride around the parking lot. The mother considers my offer for a ride but declines. By the time I leave we are all old friends. Today's miles 358. to be continued (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:29:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:45:41 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC QUIZ #1 wow..sounds ALOT like the problems I was having with a faulty Volatage Regulator.... -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:03:23 -0400 To: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com, jsherman@mail.telis.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Givi Hard Luggage In a message dated 96-08-22 15:19:51 EDT, roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) writes: << Givi's number is 704 679-4123 Address: 805 Pressley Road Charlottr, NC 28217 >> Roger, Thanks! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 06:03:27 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat is Available In a message dated 96-08-22 19:46:36 EDT, garyklim@SNET.Net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << Any hints, tips or dimensions pertaining to the required cut would be most appreciated as I should have my seat in a couple of weeks. (Give or take...) Thanks in advance. >> Gary, Good question. I simply took the handles off the old seat and used them as a template to mark the spots where the cushion material had to be cut. Cutting it carefully is important since, if you don't get enough cut away, the seat will not "seat" on the seat frame and if you cut too much away (I don't know the answer, and I don't care to from personal experience ). It's not a hard job with a razor knife, but it did bother me that there weren't even any instructions on how to do it. Best of luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:29:57 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, fisher@hiwaay.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, attorney@geocities.com Subject: Re: Lawyers only (sorry) In a message dated 96-08-23 21:03:52 EDT, Pauly@msn.com (Paul Hayes) writes: << In fact, I'll be insulted if you even CC: the PC800 list in agreement! However, please feel encouraged to let the guy know if his mail really bothered you. >> Paul. Hate to tell you this, but your message, not the others, bothered me. The person who asked the question is buying a PC and needed help. I'm sorry that the sort of help that he needed doesn't comport with your exacting standards, but it was a legitimate question and he got a series of good answers. I, for one, am happy that he had the opportunity to get those answers here and that he has, hopefully, been helped by the PC list. That is the sort of thing that, hopefully, will make him return and, maybe, be in a position to help someone else here. That's what makes the list useful. Unilateral attempts to make this list comport to some personal standard don't make this list useful. While I hope you stay with us, I hope you also learn to live and let live. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:52:18 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC QUIZ #1 Hi Bill, You pose an interesting question. If there were other lighting circuits affected or a complete loss of power, there would be several suspect areas, like a faulty ignition switch, poor system ground, etc. But with only one lighting circuit affected and only partial ignition loss (the power dropped off not out, right?), the trouble would seem to be most likely at a place where that particular lighting circuit and part of the ignition system come together. Therefore, my guess would be a problem somewhere in or near the tachometer itself or its connectors. This is the one place where the ignition circuit and the particular lighting circuits you report as having problems meet at other than the main power connections. The tach signal comes from one of the ignition coils, so a fault that interfers with that signal would produce not only irratic rpm indications but also irratic ignition for one cylinder while the other cylinder might be unaffected or minimally affected. Let us know what the experts come up with. As an aside, I notice that you indicate that you are using premium gas in your PC. I believe that the concensus on the list is that the PC does just fine on regular (I know both of ours do and that is what Honda says it needs). There is no performance benefit to using premium fuel if the engine doesn't detonate without it; so, you might consider saving some money in the future. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:13:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Francine Subject: Rockin' Ride to Montreal Hi gang, We have riden perhaps 1500 miles thus far. The wedding in Portland, ME was a lot of fun. Chowed down on Maine lobster and endeared ourselves to people across the country (sort of). Went to Mt. Washington yesterday and drove up to the top on the bike. Pretty cool. Had a QUICK blast through the Northern White Mountains with a bunch of Canadians. Weather has so far cooperated. After the day here we are off to Toronto. The bike is running great. Avg. about 75 mph and about 45mpg. The RKA tank bag and my new cool rear rack have been great. More later, Gunther ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Gary E. Klim'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Throttlemeister Cruise Control Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:00:01 -0700 I installed a Throttlemeister (TM) on my VFR. It looks just like a normal bar end and works as advertised. You turn the bar-end counter clockwise to engage and increase the friction on the throttle contral. It is not a lock -- it just makes the bar end fit tighter against the throttle when needed to hold it in place. The unit comes complete with a matching bar end for the left bar as well. Excellent workmanship and the bar end look like normal bar ends. I should add a couple of PC800 negatives though. TM is not as convenient as the Vista style cruise control. The TM requires something to hold the throttle (your fingers) while the other fingers turn the bar end. Setting the Vista with your thumb is as easy and hitting the high beam switch. The TM is only available in polished aluminum. and there is no black anodizing available to match the current PC800 color scheme. Yes, I'd have a Vista on my VFR but the thumb lock sticks out too far and would dent the gas tank easily (clearance is 1/4 inch). It's clears the PC with no trouble of course. The TM was a 2nd-best solution for me that fit the limitations of the VFR. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Gary E. Klim[SMTP:garyklim@SNET.Net] >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 1996 2:20 PM >To: PC-800 E-Mail Group >Subject: Throttlemeister Cruise Control > >Greetings all, > >For those of you who receive Motorcyclist Magazine, turn to page 77 of the >Oct '96 >issue. For the rest of you, there's a write-up of a cruise control which >works on the >same principle of the Wrist-Rest. It's made entirely of stainless steel, is >no larger >than the OEM bar end, *and* it comes with a matching bar end for the other >side. They >don't mention the PC by name (although they do list VFR and ST1100) but they >sell >adapter kits for other bikes. I will FAX them and inquire if one is made for >the PC. The >retail is $90 plus $10-$20 for adapter kit. > >For inquiring minds: > >Marker Machine Inc. >5240 N. 124th St. >Milwaukee, WI 53225 >Phone (414) 464-6060 >FAX (414) 464-9423 > >gk >-- >___________________________________________________________________ >Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: >Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut >___________________________________________________________________ >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: Vietnam reunion trip report - Part II To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Note- the previous posting had a date error Aug 30 should have been July 31. August 1, 1996 - I spend the morning in Santa Fe washing the PC and inventing a new system to quickly fasten and release the small sports bag on the passenger seat. I notice that the PC doesn't start right up as usual and attribute it to the 7,000 foot elevation. Once started and warm it seems to purr just like at the 600 foot elevation of home. I check in to the Inn of the Anasazi, maybe the nicest small hotel I've ever stayed in. The hotel has valet parking only. The parking attendant asks me if I would mind parking the bike. I chuckle to myself. Does he really think I would allow him, or anyone for that matter, to so much as sit on my PC? I tell him that I would be happy to and drive it into the subterranean parking lot. By 2:00 everyone has arrived at the hotel. Introductions are made and our three wives instantly become best friends. Emotion levels are pretty high. A day of shopping, talking, eating and drinking. Day's miles:15, maybe. August 2 - We pack up and move to Taos. O.B., Tom and the women go in O.B.'s rental car - I follow on the PC. We take the "high road" to Taos, which is to say the "back road." Taos is absolutely clogged with cars. Bumper-to-bumper. A gridlock that would even put congress to shame. We check into a motel - eat - then head to the town of Angel Fire. The town is a noted ski resort and home to a rather impressive memorial to Vietnam veterans. I have rarely spoken of Vietnam, never described my personal horrors, never wanted to join a veterans organization, never wanted to visit the wall in Washington. I have no shame; I just have no desire to relive it. I want to get on my bike and leave but I just sit outside most of the time and wait for the others. O.B. and Tom seem to understand and leave me alone. Shelley cries for both of us. Day's miles: 123 August 3 A couple month ago Gaye Graybeal (sp?) wrote a trip report for the PC group which suggested that if anyone is within 100 miles of Taos they should stop and eat at Michael's Kitchen. I remembered the advice and the six of us put Gaye's recommendation to the test. I hope Gaye reads this so that I can pass along my thanks for the tip. She was wrong, though. She should have said anyone "within 500 miles." No biking today. Just ggod food and good camaraderie. August 4 Shelley and I say our goodbyes in the parking lost of the Best Western motel and vow to do this again. Someone suggests Alaska for the next get together and I begin thinking of the biking possibilities. We leave Taos heading towards Cortez, CO. About 10 miles west of Taos the desert is split by an 800 foot canyon. With no traffic on the road we slow to a crawl and see the Rio Grande at the bottom of the canyon. I have the feeling that this is going to be a great trip. No timetable. No preplanned route. Just stay in the mountains as much as possible and out of the heat. Our only limitation is to hold it to a maximum of 250 miles a day. We eventually find a bed & breakfast in the town of Mancos, CO. and pull in to inquire about a room. We experience our only mishap of the trip when Shelley walks in front of me as I am removing my helmet. I bonk her on the nose, removing most of the skin on top and wondering if it is broken. The B & B hostess is a former park ranger at Mesa Verde and encourages us to stop there tomorrow. We decide to do it. Day's miles: 233 August 5 - WOW. Why hasn't anyone mentioned Mesa Verde to me before? I am ecstatic riding up the mesa. The air is clear and it seems like I can see all the way to Canada. Shelley reaffirms her decision to ride two up instead of bringing her Virago. She loves the view and not having to watch for gravel and potholes. She keeps telling me "ooh" and "aah" and "Don't look", still believing after all these years that I am going to go off the road if I dare sneak a look at scenery. We spend much of the morning viewing the cliff dwellings and eventually think about moving on. We decide to take Highway 145 to Telluride. Once there, we decide to look for something a little less upscale and head for Ouray, which is maybe 15 miles as the crow flies but at least an hour away as the PC flies. We stay at Above Timberline B & B, a highly recommended stop if you are passing through. We get comfortable, go to dinner at an outstanding Mexican restaurant, and I suggest that we stay for two nights. Day' miles: 240 August 6 We take a ride over the "million dollar highway" from Ouray to Silverton and back. I had just gone solo over this road about a week ago but the weather is a little warmer this time. The pass is a little over 11,000 feet. The PC doesn't balk a bit. In the evening we take a hike up to a rather impressive waterfall just on the edge of town. We meet a fellow biker from Connecticut standing next to his Harley-D. We chit chat for a little while and then I notice a small bottle attached to his master cylinder with about a roll of electrical tape. I ask him about it and he explains that it is his best friend, Roy. Or his ashes, anyway. He and Roy have been traveling together for 7 years now. I learn that Roy was quite a biker and loved to go cruising. I am deeply moved and wonder if Roy knew how good a friend he had in the guy from Connecticut. Day's miles: maybe 65. to be continued in a final installment (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:17:20 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:20:03 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: NEW WWW PAGE DESIGN!!! Very nice, boys!!! I 2d the vote to use the photo on the test page!! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: fisher@HiWAAY.net Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:33:21 -0500 Subject: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day weekend To: "PC800 messages" Yup I started it and hopefully it will end like the long weekend we have coming up. Well I feel compelled to write about our blessed PC since I am using the bandwidth. I am in deep SHIT with Bryce and he doesn't even know it! You see some people on this list (and planet) are so compassionate that they would literally give you their spare tires! Imagine that. I have never met him and I am not sure that we have ever talked on the phone, but he sent me his spare Metzlers when I needed them for my trip to the Honda Hoot. So far my Honda dealer hasn't been able to get the tires to replace Bryces and am begining to worry that they never will. Metzler told me August or September and I just read here October. This is begining to sound suspicous. If anyone knows a date for these ML2's please let us know. Sincere regards Rick Fisher fisher@HiWAAY.net Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SXi Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat $$$$$$$$$$ >>(FOR SALE) 1985 & 1986 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) << $$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:57:03 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:56:52 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Web Page I'm not ignoring the earlier posts proposing a new front end for the web page. At the same time that Dave and Eric were working on the new graphic, I was working on a feature called "frames". Check out http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 If you have a browser such as netscape 2.0 or higher, you should be able to see two windows on your screen at the same time. The left window shows the table of contents and the right window shows the page selected from the table of contents. I am willing and able to easily change the graphic which appears at start-up or to add background graphics (wallpaper). The one feature that I had to get used to is that the "back" button will return you to the page you were on before opening wwwpc800 rather than returning your right window to the previously displayed sub-page as you might expect. Once you are in the pc800 web page, instead of using the back button, select or reselect items from the table of contents. You'll see what I mean when you get there. Since I have no way of knowing what browsers you all are using, I wanted to know how it looks and feels to you folks. It should support browsers which do not support frames, it just won't look as good. I usually keep my screen on 1024x768 and so I may have sized things inappropriately for those of you who are closer to 640x480. If so, let me know. Technically, Dave and Eric's graphic would be an imagemap which would work pretty much like the old opening page in that it would be replaced with each sub-page which you selected. I think that the frames are a bit easier to work with since you don't have to go back to the opening page to navigate to other sub-pages. The table of contents is always with you (as long as your browser supports frames). Let me know what you think. If you don't like it, I'll go back to the prior approach. I didn't have enough disk space to put up multiple versions. Sorry. Your faithful servant, Neill "Webster" Thompson with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:02:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:02:28 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: web page P.S. I failed to mention, you should be able to size the frames by dragging the dividing line to either the left or the right. Presently, it is 30% table of contents, 70% subject matter. I can change this if it seems out of whack. (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:08:34 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:05:52 -0700 From: TJ Noto To: Richard Stucky Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, popeye@recluse.arachnid.com Subject: Re: PC800 Trade? Richard Stucky wrote: > > The other day sitting at a red light I noticed a brand new red > Chrysler Sebring convertible with the sticker still on the > window. The price was plainly visible and I commented to the > owner "Only $22,000 out the door." > > He looks at my bike and says "those things aren't cheap either." > So I replied, "How much do you think this 'thing' cost?" > If you can have a conversation at a stoplight with anyone other than your motorcycle, it's not loud enough! > He gives my 7 year old bike a once over and says, "Well, I'll > guess that bike is around $25,000." What do you expect from someone who'd buy a Chrysler!? > > I nearly fell off my bike! After offering him the deal of the > century to trade my '89 PC for his new car I admitted to him > the actual price of the PC. Be careful Stuck...I've fallen off my bike....and I'm here to tell ya, it ain't fun. Is your PC a 486 or a Pentium? > > Imagine, there's actually people out there on the road that > see you or I ride by and say to themselves, "there goes another > one of those $25,000 motorcycles!!!" Geesh!!!! Imagine yet, there are motorcycles that cost $25,000....and I'll bet that the general public would never understand. Regards, TJ 95 900SS SP "over-priced red Italian Handgrenade" "those things are ticking timebombs"-Scott Russell > > Rich > Rich Stucky '89 PC800 > Arachnid Software '81 Q-Horse Mare > www.arachnid.com '93 Paint Mare > rms@arachnid.com > 408-342-9035 Phone "Why should I walk when I can ride?" > 408-343-1257 FAX ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:26:35 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) Subject: Motorcycle Rentals - No. California To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Debbie and I are going to be in Monterey the weekend of 9/13 and I am interested in renting a PC (or Goldwing, Nighthawk, etc.) for a day trip down the Pacific Coast Highway to Big Sur, San Simeon, etc. I know there were some posts on this several months ago, but I have checked some of the archives to no avail. If anyone knows of a rental shop in the Carmel or Monterey area, I would appreciate the information. Many thanks! Ride as if your life depended on it, Dave Lott 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:36:11 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: sreid@sover.net (Sean Reid) Subject: Fall Foliage Tour Just a brief message - rates for NMT's fall guided tour of New England and the Adirondacks have been reduced to fill remaining spaces. Anyone interested see http://www.ariasoft.com/mctours Thanks for your patience with these short commercials. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List cc: Ellen Seim Subject: Trip Report to Lake Arrowhead, So. Cal The sun was just peeking around the clouds when I headed off to the rendezvous point at Denny's. I was just 5 minutes away when I caught a glimpse of Harrison and his son Dave as I was passing an intersection. >From the whether report the night before, it's going to be a toasty ride. Harrison pulled into the parking lot right after I did and we found a nice parking spot right in front of all the restaurant windows so we can keep our eyes on our precious mounts. After we had ordered our breakfast, Eric pulled up and joined us. I had remarked at how we always seem to be eating when it was my turn to plan the rides. Everyone agreed but didn't mind. I hate being hungry on a cruise through pretty scenery :) As always, we marvel at how Eric keeps is black beauty so polished. Did you know he keeps Q-tips in the trunk? (Sorry Eric, I had to tell) You know, if you take the decals off a black PC and put the Batman logo on there, it just might pass as the BatCycle in the next movie. The sun was ready to give us a full day of radiation so we put on our SPF 30000000 sun block and headed off towards the mountains. The first 45 min. was uneventful with the exception of the temperature rise. I think Harrison said the inside of his jacket reached 240 degrees, or something like that. We were pretty well done by the time we reached the base of the mountain. The climb was exciting I must say due to the fact that there was more traffic than I had anticipated. We were actually contending with a minivan for the first 3 miles or so. I was quite surprised at how well it was climbing the hill at a steady clip of 50 mph or so. My admiration quickly soured as I realized this box jockey thinks he's driving a Ferrari. Since I was lead, I took the group pass this guy and he dropped out of sight in no time (well, maybe a little time). The familiar twisting and turning to me was like the old sandbox for a 4 yr old. Every grain on the road and every twig hanging off the side of the road was a welcomed sight. Funny how I can't remember having this much fun the last time I was here. Perhaps it's because I didn't have a passenger this time. I love taking my wife along to places but I always subconsciously worry that I'll accidentally drop her off somewhere on these twisties, then who's going to feed me? :) It was still hot hot hot when we arrived Lake Arrowhead even though we were 6000 feet up. Did I mention it was hot? :) But it was nothing a nice cold ice cream cone can't fix. We watched some of the water skiers on the lake and wave runners bouncing along the wake. Then it was off to Big Bear Lake. Big Bear is only 26 miles from Arrowhead but while we were still standing by Lake Arrowhead, licking our ice cream cones, we noticed some rain clouds in the distance. Dave and Harrison was timing the seconds between lighting and thunder but forgot how fast the speed of sound was so we coulnd't calculate. We only hoped that we'd miss it on the road. Ten minutes away from Arrowhead and the sky turned dark. The air got cold. Tiny rain drops sprinked our windshields. We worried. Especially we all had opted to go without a jacket since it was so hot. We rode a little slower to keep from falling off the side of the mountain. The sprinkling went on for a while and I thought we'd escaped it. As we neared Big Bear Village, it rained. It wasn't cats and dogs rain but rain nonetheless. I knew we were close so we continued on. Thanks to the fairing assemblies we weren't soaking wet when we arrived. We found a place to park and then we walked around looking for a place to eat. After lunch, the sun came back out and the air started to heat up again. Go figure. We made some faces at the Harly riders (no, we just looked at their bikes and said "glad we don't have one"). All that chrome to clean after the rain HA! (Apologies to PC/Harley riders out there. No disrespect intended) We elected to keep our jackets off going down the mountain. It turned out we made a good choice because by the time we got half way down, it was roasting time again. A picture entered my mind remembering how one PC rider on the list lost his to a fire next to a trash bin. I think he said it looked like a melted marshmellow. I was thinking, at least he wasn't on it. We had wet our T-shirts before we left Big Bear but they were dry before we reached bottom. Yaohza! We grit and beared the heat until we made a stop at Chaparral, the largest m/c store on planet earth, so it seemed to me. We saw the 96 PC. There was a man looking at it as we commenting on the color. He asked us of our opinions since we were owners and before long, we found ourselves doing the selling for the salesman who had just walked up to check on all these guys hanging around the bike. I bought a helmet bag and then we headed back home. I'm on vacation next week so I'm looking forward to riding every single day! Hope you enjoyed this virtual ride of sizzling southern California! Johan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:49:25 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Neill Thompson Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Web Page Neill Thompson wrote: > I was working on a feature called "frames". The one feature that I had to get used to > is that the "back" button will return you to the page you were on before opening > wwwpc800... Greetings, Rumor has it that Navigator 3.0 will now bring you back to the previous frame window and not the previous page via the "Back" function. This is if you right click within the current frame and select "Back". Selecting back from the pull down menu will (I believe) bring you back to the previous page. (As you would expect it to). Surfing the PC-800 web page would be much more efficient with frames. I guess that would be a "yes" vote from central CT... gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:21:37 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:09:40 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: "back" in frames Just checked out the page w/frames (nice, Neil!) right mouse click for "back" does take you back in frame. back and forward on the tool bar change the frame, also. I've got the latest production version of Netscape. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA '90 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "David Coley" To: Subject: Lavarda Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:42:28 -0400 Hi pc800, My name is Dave and I live in Florida. I have a buddy looking for parts (blinker) for a 1984 Lavarda RGS 1000. Do you know of any dealers of bike parts or salvage yards or even somebody you know selling parts. Thanks, Dave (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:01:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:04:59 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Neill Thompson , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Web Page neill.. nice job with the frames!! The only reason I was staying away from them is to ensure compatability with all browsers. I also had intended to design a 'link button' to go across the bottom of each page for navigational purposes to rest of the PC pages! -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:01:02 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:57:32 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, relaena@teleport.com Subject: whoohooo got this from CORBIN today!!!!!!!!!!!!! <<<<<<< To: dkgross@halcyon.com Oops, I forgot to fill ya in on the URL where you'll find your pics. Go to: http://www.corbin.com/honda/pch.html Thanks again. Best Regards from Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards 408-633-2500 | http://www.corbin.com>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:24:06 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:39:59 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: web frames the only thing I don't like about the page with frames is that on my 14" monitor, all the goodies are too small. I'd rather have more graphic looking stuff. We can design better navigational bars for jumping around from page to page. now...do we want to do a Shockwave/animated GIF thing of a bike scooting across the bottom of the page?? How about using the CRESCENDO Netscape plug in to play a MIDI file that I wrote? actually, I wouldn't mind a comprehensive list of what computer systems all of us use....is there somewhere on the 'profiles' that lists that info? -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'fisher@HiWAAY.net'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day weekend Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:38:20 -0700 Don't worry Rick, I'm not the least bit disgruntled. I know that tires can't be found. I still have miles left on my front tire and won't need one till next Spring. That gives us both plenty of time to wait for Metzler. My rear ML2+ was replaced saturday though. ATTN: Seattle Cycle Center had ONE rear ML2+ in stock after I left there Sat. No front tires though. If you need one call 206-524-0044. Tell Ted I sent you so he'll give me a better discount next time. \"/ BTW Rick: Sorry we didn't hook up when I came through Birmingham. A mess up resulted in the loss of your phone number after we left. We did make it to the motocycle museum though. Absolutely stunning! We were both poking around for almost 2 hours and it was a great kickoff for the rest of our Olympic Games experience. Thank you for the recommendation and brochure. All right, nuff said. Go ride everyone! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: fisher@HiWAAY.net[SMTP:fisher@HiWAAY.net] >Sent: Monday, August 26, 1996 10:33 PM >To: PC800 messages >Subject: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day weekend > >Yup I started it and hopefully it will end like the long weekend we have >coming up. > >Well I feel compelled to write about our blessed PC since I am using the >bandwidth. > >I am in deep SHIT with Bryce and he doesn't even know it! You see some >people on this list (and planet) are so compassionate that they would >literally give you their spare tires! Imagine that. I have never met him >and I am not sure that we have ever talked on the phone, but he sent me >his spare Metzlers when I needed them for my trip to the Honda Hoot. >So far my Honda dealer hasn't been able to get the tires to replace >Bryces and am begining to worry that they never will. Metzler told me >August or September and I just read here October. This is begining to >sound suspicous. >If anyone knows a date for these ML2's please let us know. > > > >Sincere regards >Rick Fisher >fisher@HiWAAY.net >Dentman711@AOL.COM > > >Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! >http://members.aol.com/dentman711 > >******************************************************************** >**** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SXi Highly "stock" >;-) >**** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat >$$$$$$$$$$ >>(FOR SALE) 1985 & 1986 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) << $$$$$$$$$ >******************************************************************** > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Dave Gross cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: web frames Dave, Animated gifs are best, and you only need crescendo if you haven't loaded the midi drivers in the media player. Check out my pages and the source code for them to see how it's done. http://nwog.pg.cc.md.us...I'm also working on my frames pages but will give the visitor the option of viewing standard or frames. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Dave Gross wrote: > the only thing I don't like about the page with frames is that on my 14" > monitor, all the goodies are too small. I'd rather have more graphic looking > stuff. We can design better navigational bars for jumping around from page > to page. > > now...do we want to do a Shockwave/animated GIF thing of a bike scooting > across the bottom of the page?? How about using the CRESCENDO Netscape > plug in to play a MIDI file that I wrote? > > actually, I wouldn't mind a comprehensive list of what computer systems all > of us use....is there somewhere on the 'profiles' that lists that info? > -- > > Dave Gross > Seattle,WA > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html > http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: reunion trip report - part III To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu August 7 - On the recommendation our B & B host, we decide to head towards the Flaming Gorge area of southwestern Wyoming. It looks like a good day's ride but will mean that I will backtrack over some of the roads I saw on my way to Santa Fe. A grass fire in the past week has charred a good section of the grasslands that I saw just a week ago. The countryside is real cowboy country and I start going through my repertoire of cowboy songs. We pass Rangly, CO and I am watching for the kid at the stop light. He must have taken the day off. We pass through a magical Aspen forest, stopping once just to look at the trees shimmering in the wind. We end up at the Flaming Gorge lodge, which is really just an old motel but plenty comfortable. We slightly exceeded our agreed upon daily mileage limit but don't feel any worse for it. Day's miles: 282 August 8 See spectacular views of the Green River as it passes through the Flaming Gorge. Play chicken with marmots for a good part of the morning. We eventually run into I-80 near Fort Bridger, WY and take it to Evanston, WY. I remember that I don't care much for freeways, especially when they are undergoing summertime reconstruction. At Evanston we leave the freeway behind and take a highway which my map shows to be a scenic one and wanders toward Logan, UT. We had thought about staying in Logan for the night but after lunch decide to push on. We enter the desert in the early afternoon and make for Burley, ID. Bad Move!! It is hotter than Hell and there is no place to stop except an occasional truck stop. We pull into Burley hot and crabby. After dinner our spirits are higher and we decide to push on just a bit further to Twin Falls. Day's miles: 364 August 9 We leave Twin Falls nice and early and head for Brunneau, ID. The town has a little significance to me because I know that my great grandfather homesteaded near the town. My grandmother was born there and lived there until she was 12 or so, when she was sent to boarding school and never returned. We take Highway 30 west from Twin Falls but find we must do a little freeway travel anyway. There is no population sign as we enter Brunneau but I judge there to be 200 or so people living in town. A search of the local graveyard reveals no one with my great grandfather's name buried there. Oh well, just checking. We buy picnic food at the store and continue towards Oregon. I am riding with the face shield open about an inch. Some critter with a stinger gets inside and nails me on the cheek. I can't tell if it is a bee, wasp, yellow jacket or mountain lion. It just buzzes around until I come to a stop then disappears. Thank God I keep bee sting medicine in the 1st aid kit. We make Ontario, Oregon by midafternoon and find a motel. We walk to dinner and upon returning find that the side stand of the PC has sunk about 3 inches into the blacktop of the parking lot. The PC has a dangerous list to the port side. I consider what would have happened it it had kept sinking. Must be hotter than I thought. I find a piece of plywood to place under the side stand and go to bed. August 10 I love travelling through Oregon. We turn south at John Day and head up into the Strawberry Mountians. No sense in getting home too early. Besides, I have always wondered what the town of Paulina looks like. Mountain pines give way to sagebrush and it is a long ride to Paulina. The town has a dozen houses and a combination store, gas station, bar, post office, movie rental and community center. The store has a wooden porch and - get this - a dog is sleeping in the street in front of the building. I feel like we are entering a movie set. We get refreshments and head to Prineville. We decide to stay the night and head for home tomorrow. Give the kids one more day to destroy the house before they go back to college. August 11 As we head over the Cascade mountains into western Oregon the temperature drops rapidly. We make a couple clothing adjustments and Shelley eventually puts on her rain gear to protect from the wind. I figure the temperature is 50 degrees cooler than yesterday. Weird. We pass through Salem and 40 minutes later are at home. Shelley's nose is almost healed. 351 e-mail messages waiting. Stats: Distance: 3,526 miles Gasoline 69.45 gallons Gas Cost $99.27 Overall MPG 50.8 Gas Cost/mile $ .028 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 09:47:01 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: fisher@HiWAAY.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Bryce Ulrich Subject: Re[2]: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day wee Dr. Brown's Motorcycle Accessories in Portland Or. (503) 232-5150 still has ML2 fronts if anyone is interested. I got mine there 2 months ago. I checked with him 2 weeks back and he said he still had 2 left. He also said he would be willing to ship them if someone wanted. Wanda Bailie '95 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: RE: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day weeken Author: Bryce Ulrich at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 8/28/96 8:53 AM Don't worry Rick, I'm not the least bit disgruntled. I know that tires can't be found. I still have miles left on my front tire and won't need one till next Spring. That gives us both plenty of time to wait for Metzler. My rear ML2+ was replaced saturday though. ATTN: Seattle Cycle Center had ONE rear ML2+ in stock after I left there Sat. No front tires though. If you need one call 206-524-0044. Tell Ted I sent you so he'll give me a better discount next time. \"/ BTW Rick: Sorry we didn't hook up when I came through Birmingham. A mess up resulted in the loss of your phone number after we left. We did make it to the motocycle museum though. Absolutely stunning! We were both poking around for almost 2 hours and it was a great kickoff for the rest of our Olympic Games experience. Thank you for the recommendation and brochure. All right, nuff said. Go ride everyone! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/703-0558 Program Manager - Handheld PC Apps: Microsoft,Redmond,WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750F "Miss T" AMA Life 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: fisher@HiWAAY.net[SMTP:fisher@HiWAAY.net] >Sent: Monday, August 26, 1996 10:33 PM >To: PC800 messages >Subject: All you NON lawyers have a great Labor day weekend > >Yup I started it and hopefully it will end like the long weekend we have >coming up. > >Well I feel compelled to write about our blessed PC since I am using the >bandwidth. > >I am in deep SHIT with Bryce and he doesn't even know it! You see some >people on this list (and planet) are so compassionate that they would >literally give you their spare tires! Imagine that. I have never met him >and I am not sure that we have ever talked on the phone, but he sent me >his spare Metzlers when I needed them for my trip to the Honda Hoot. >So far my Honda dealer hasn't been able to get the tires to replace >Bryces and am begining to worry that they never will. Metzler told me >August or September and I just read here October. This is begining to >sound suspicous. >If anyone knows a date for these ML2's please let us know. > > > >Sincere regards >Rick Fisher >fisher@HiWAAY.net >Dentman711@AOL.COM > > >Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! >http://members.aol.com/dentman711 > >******************************************************************** >**** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SXi Highly "stock" >;-) >**** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat >$$$$$$$$$$ >>(FOR SALE) 1985 & 1986 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) << $$$$$$$$$ >******************************************************************** > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 22482131; Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:29:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:26:46 -0700 From: MIrizar@symantec.com (Mikel Irizar) To: pc800 Subject: Hello --IMA.Boundary.593352148 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi everybody: I have just joined this list, and I thought it would nice to introduce myself and say hi. My name is Mikel Irizar and I live in San Jose, California. I am 27 years old, and I have been riding for a long time. I started with a scooter, a Yamaha Exciter 250, and now...I have to confess I am a "sinner", I don't have a PC800. I know, there is no excuse...:-) I have an EX500, and I will have to use it until I buy the PC next May. I am already saving, and I have opened a savings account just for the PC. I have been doing long trips for the last year, and definetly it is a pain to use a street bike. I have done all the California coast with the EX500, and I can't wait for next summer to do it again with the PC800. I have a question. They are quoting me $8,995 as the price I will have to pay. Is this right?? In the web page I saw a much lower price. Also, is there a PC800 group of people in the Bay Area that goes on trips on the weekends?? Best regards, Mikel --IMA.Boundary.593352148 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 22478A00; Wed, 28 Aug 96 09:49:36 -0700 symiserver2.symantec.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA04835 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:44:12 -0700 (PDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24900; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:33:03 -0500 (CDT) 27 Aug 1996 21:31:39 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:21:31 -0500 (CDT) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24485 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:21:25 -0500 (CDT) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:21:37 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:09:40 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: "back" in frames --IMA.Boundary.593352148-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:53:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Helmet Radios I'm curious to know if anyone has 49 mhz radios is their helmets. I'm trying out what I think is an inexpensive alternative. It's a Radio Shack hands free 49 mhz transceiver, which was only $39.00 here is Southern California. I had to break off the head band, and then bend the antenna to fit up inside my helmet, but it fits pretty good now. (You need to have a little extra room between your ear and the side of the helmet.) I wear an open face Shoei helmet. I'll be trying it out on a ride this Sunday, and that will be the real test. (If it doesn't work, I think I can glue the head band back on, and get a refund. It depends how well I can put it back together !! :-) Let me know what the Real McCoy costs. Maybe I'm not really saving much by trying it this way. Phil Lewis Orange County, California ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:14:36 -0400 To: MIrizar@symantec.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New PC s Here in Kansas City, you can usually get the dealer down a $1,000 on a new PC. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:04:24 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Givi Topbox Cc: Caroline_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com, aluke@clariion.com Has any body on the list mounted the Givi rack (SR10) and a topbox? I'd like to know how the fit, quality and satisfaction are. Miss SugarVoice just faxed me the mounting instructions. The E460 looks especially inviting because it has an optional integrated stop light. The wiring would be a problem as far as being an inconvenience though. Need a wireless job. Might provide more space than my dufle bag. Thanks Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:20:40 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: David Coley Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Lavarda David Coley wrote: > I have a buddy looking for parts (blinker) for a 1984 Lavarda RGS 1000. This may come as somewhat of a shock, so please be seated. Comfy? 1) We, that is to say, the HONDA PACIFIC COAST-800 group primarily (but not always) engage in discussions centered around, of all things, the HONDA PC-800... 2) In the span of my 25 year addiction to all things motorcycle, I have never encountered a Lavarda. Would that possibly be Laverda? 3) Although receiving a reply is always a toss of the dice, you might want to post your request at rec.motorcycle [a real "HOT" newsgroup ;)] And to all list members, a humble apology. I just couldn't resist replying to this. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:24:35 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: pc800 Subject: Re: Hello Mikel Irizar wrote: > I have a question. They are quoting me $8,995 as the price I will have > to pay. Is this right?? In the web page I saw a much lower price. > > > > Mikel Mike, $8995 sounds like the list price, but I have seen several '96 models on sale used around here for about $7500, some with as little as 700 miles. I bought my '94 for about $1000 under list, but it was fall, and they may have been trying to lower inventory before winter, not a problem you would see in CA. Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:50:33 -0700 (MST) To: PILEWIS@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Helmet Radios Phil, First of all, the 49 Mhz radio you're talking about utilizes a frequency allocated by the FCC for a variety of non-licensed FM low-power, short range applications -- including certain signalling devices, some cordless phone channels and, most irritatingly, baby's room audio monitoring devices. As you ride through neighborhoods and down highways, you will variously drive into and out of the transmission range of such devices and you will temporarily hear the sounds of people's lives -- TVs and stereos in the background, children screaming, people yelling at each other, etc. etc. It's interesting at first, but ultimately not worth it as a communications device for motorcycling. But you're welcome to try it out. Secondly, I must say I'm a bit concerned about your ethics. I'm not some kind of do-gooder or something, but the part about breaking the device and then glueing it back together so it can be returned to your local Radio Shack is shameful. You've obviously never worked in or more importantly owned a retail business and, apparently, you've never been the purson who ends-up buying your experiment after inconsiderate persons like you pull a stunt like the one you're considering. I'm glad I don't shop at your Radio Shack, and it's too back I can't figure out which one it is so I can FAX it a copy of your posting. Gregg L. DesElms deselms@primenet.com -------------------------------- Reply separator ------------------------ At 15:53 8/28/96 -0400, PILEWIS@aol.com wrote: >I'm curious to know if anyone has 49 mhz radios is their helmets. > >I'm trying out what I think is an inexpensive alternative. It's a Radio >Shack hands free 49 mhz transceiver, which was only $39.00 here is Southern >California. I had to break off the head band, and then bend the antenna to >fit up inside my helmet, but it fits pretty good now. (You need to have a >little extra room between your ear and the side of the helmet.) I wear an >open face Shoei helmet. I'll be trying it out on a ride this Sunday, and >that will be the real test. (If it doesn't work, I think I can glue the head >band back on, and get a refund. It depends how well I can put it back >together !! :-) > >Let me know what the Real McCoy costs. Maybe I'm not really saving much by >trying it this way. > >Phil Lewis >Orange County, California =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/Accomplishments.html <<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:55:54 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:09:53 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: web frames -Reply I agree with Neil that performance is the most imporatant thing in the page...have a choise between frames/no frames and graphics/text only is also important. I think at this point I'll defer to Neil and Barre's computer expertise to find a solution. I'll just upload all the elements to Neil, and you can put them together as you see fit! for Eric... any ideas for a 'link button'? Neil...I only know limited things about plug-ins for Netscape and my mac..maybe Barre can give you more techie info about how to apply them. I'm gonna get my 3.0 Netscape tonight... -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: Hello On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Jeff Leech wrote: > Mikel Irizar wrote: > > > I have a question. They are quoting me $8,995 as the price I will have > > to pay. Is this right?? In the web page I saw a much lower price. > > > > > > > > Mikel > > > Mike, > $8995 sounds like the list price, but I have seen several '96 models > on sale used around here for about $7500, some with as little as 700 > miles. I bought my '94 for about $1000 under list, but it was fall, and > they may have been trying to lower inventory before winter, not a > problem you would see in CA. > > Jeff Leech > '94 Pacific Coast > Centerville, OH > Yip. We saw a '96 at Chaparral last weekend for $7500 here in So. California. Johan Lai '89 PC "Cassandra" Orange, CA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: PILEWIS@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:55:58 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Helmet Radios Just a quick reply to returning a product. I thought that my statement of gluing it together and returning it, was obviously facetious. I apologize that it seems to have been misinterpreted. I have worked in retail sales, and even owned my own business, and I would never return an item that was not in it's original condition. In this case, I spent quite a long time with the salesman, and brought my helmet into the store to see if it would fit, and told him what I was going to with it. He mentioned the same problems with 49mhz that you did, but some of the other riders that have used this frequency, said that the problems were minor. Anyway, I'm sorry that my poor attempt at facetious humor was missed, and I will endeavor to write more clearly in future. Happy Riding to All, Phil 29 Aug 96 11:08:11 GMT+7 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Laura Sawyer" To: roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com, Tom & Barb Murphy , Steve Dupre , Petersen/Maxtor , PC800 list members , Moose Parish <73523.3636@compuserve.com>, Mike & Lisa Prince , Laura Sawyer , Jim & Linda Vance <76062.3667@compuserve.com>, hsta members , Dana Sawyer <71430.340@compuserve.com>, Cosmo Cariolo , Bill McKenna Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:07:44 MST Subject: Re: [Fwd: JPEG image 675x437 pixels] FIRESTORM Hi Everybody! Just a note to say hello! I am settled in Colorado and the weather is beautiful. How is everyone? I sure miss my bike in weather like this. I am working on my dissertation and it is going well. Miss everyone. Write and let me know how you are! Laura L. Sawyer Exercise Coordinator Campus Recreation Center University of Northern Colorado 501 20th Street Greeley, CO 80639 (970) 351-2163 - work (970) 351-1076 - fax ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'PILEWIS@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Helmet Radios Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:10:18 -0700 I talked to my local Radio Shack manager who advised against their $40 radio being mounted under a helmet. (I do see people using them at various shows, and they seem happy with them, however.) I found that pretty positive as he would have logically wanted the sale. So after trying to find something cheaper, I finally gave up and bought a Chatterbox for $155 (waited until they were having a 15% discount day). It works very well bike to bike, but helmet to helmet is kind of poor, probably because the battery is trying to power two sets of speakers & mics. When I ride with the local Shadow riders club, a lot of them use them and the sound is pretty good. I especially like to hook up my Walkman on road trips... Credence Clearwater Revival is especially good for adding about 15 to your mph's. Paul Simon will put you into the slow lane. Since the wife bought her own ride a couple of weeks ago, we just got her own 'Box and are looking for an opportunity to test it... Of course it's been raining since we got the 'Box... Popcorn is just a way to get your system filled with grease and salt. But without the popcorn it just isn't the same. >---------- >From: PILEWIS@aol.com[SMTP:PILEWIS@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 2:53 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Helmet Radios > >I'm curious to know if anyone has 49 mhz radios is their helmets. > >I'm trying out what I think is an inexpensive alternative. It's a Radio >Shack hands free 49 mhz transceiver, which was only $39.00 here is Southern >California. I had to break off the head band, and then bend the antenna to >fit up inside my helmet, but it fits pretty good now. (You need to have a >little extra room between your ear and the side of the helmet.) I wear an >open face Shoei helmet. I'll be trying it out on a ride this Sunday, and >that will be the real test. (If it doesn't work, I think I can glue the head >band back on, and get a refund. It depends how well I can put it back >together !! :-) > >Let me know what the Real McCoy costs. Maybe I'm not really saving much by >trying it this way. > >Phil Lewis >Orange County, California >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Smcavin@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:38:55 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires, Cruise control I am considering purchasing a PC that the seller informs me may need new tires. He says he has not been able to find any in the (Milwaukee) area. Is there a problem obtaining new tires for the PC? Know of any available? Price? I also recall some one discussing cruise control. Is there a cruise control available for the PC - one that locks the speed, similar to a car - not a throttle lock? thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Smcavin@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tires, Cruise control Tires for the PC are not a problem, although there has been lots of discussion as to which are best. You didn't say what year PC you were considering, but the '89s and 90's had Dunlop K555s as originals. Dunlop simply replaced these with K177s, which are easily obtainable, and which I have been using for four years since my originals wore out. Your seller may think that because K555s are no longer obtainable, you will have a hard time getting tires. 'taint so. I've never heard of a true cruise control for the PC. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 12:52:47 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: "pc800" , "Mikel Irizar" Subject: RE: Hello Keep your eyes open Mike. You can get a great deal on a used PC with very low miles for half of the price you were quoted. Even half the price of a discounted new bike. For example, I bought my '89 with 7800mi for $4200. It is in like new condition (garaged) and had several accessories like AM/FM Cassette w/remote, tall shield, back rest, etc.. I know of a fellow in TX who was selling an '89 with only 1600mi for $3700 - in showroom condition. With potential savings like this, you could buy a great bike much sooner - then spend some of the savings on accessories. - pauly ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mikel Irizar Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 10:26 AM To: pc800 Subject: Hello --IMA.Boundary.593352148 Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi everybody: I have just joined this list, and I thought it would nice to introduce myself and say hi. My name is Mikel Irizar and I live in San Jose, California. I am 27 years old, and I have been riding for a long time. I started with a scooter, a Yamaha Exciter 250, and now...I have to confess I am a "sinner", I don't have a PC800. I know, there is no excuse...:-) I have an EX500, and I will have to use it until I buy the PC next May. I am already saving, and I have opened a savings account just for the PC. I have been doing long trips for the last year, and definetly it is a pain to use a street bike. I have done all the California coast with the EX500, and I can't wait for next summer to do it again with the PC800.