********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:30:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: bmckenna@mint.net Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... Hi Bill and welcome: The PC is not noted for being a "wiggler", although like many bikes it does exhibit a bit of a headshake when decelerating, usually below 45 mph. So, there is something wrong somewhere. Possibilities that I can think of include a tire that is defective or not properly seated on the rim, low tire pressure, steering head bearings that are too loose (or too tight), or bad wheel bearings. Also, even though the problem appears to be with the front, it would be wise to check the rear as well. Sometimes problems at the back can feel like they are problems up front. Keep us posted. JT 01 Jul 1996 09:44:21 -0500 (CDT) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA17446; Mon, 01 Jul 1996 07:39:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 09:42:57 -0700 From: Mike Hanus Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... To: Bill McKenna Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Bill McKenna wrote: > > 'We' have a '96 PC... I say 'cuz the bike's 'hers', the problems, maint > will be 'mine' [I ride ST1100] > > Anyhow, Any experience out there with a front end 'wiggle'... not quite > a shimmy, but not comfortable either. Starts about 50 on the straight > away, higher with the twisties... unbearable after 70ish. All balanced, > rest seems tight enough.. Ideas??? > > Email direct please. I' subscribed to PC the same time as this... don't > know how long it will take.... > > Thanks. > > Bill McKenna > bmckenna@mint.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Bill, I also have a 96 & do not have what I would call a wiggle, but at speeds above 55mph, the bike just doesn't feel, for lack of a better word, "planted". It feels a bit like when you go over a steel grate bridge. The bike has less than 1k miles on it, so I'm not sure if it's just a characteristic of the bike, a particular type of road surface, how windy it is, etc. I haven't played with tire pressures (currently have 33psi front & 40psi rear), or rear shock adjustment (currently in the middle position), so I don't know how much (if any) affect they can have. The bike is going in to the dealer tomorrow for the 600 mile mtce., so I'll ask. Any comments by anyone on the list concerning the handling charecteristics of the PC800 would be appreciated. Regards, Mike Hanus ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'ruf@nconnect.net'" Subject: RE: rain/Rifles Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:49:41 -0700 I've used the Novus cleaner and their other scratch removers many a time. It works and can make your shield look as good as new. Can't comment on the rain aspect though as I'm using a Cycle Wiper to get rid of the water. See the archives if you want to hear more on the a windshield wiper. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: ruf@nconnect.net[SMTP:ruf@nconnect.net] >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 1996 3:16 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: rain/Rifles > ><< Novus Inc. out of Minneapolis, MN. >Call 1-800-548-6872 for the nearest distributor. The product is called >1 >plastic clean & shine. They also make several products for taking out >scratches in plastic. > >Bob >> > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 21:19:17 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Mike Hanus Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... > I also have a 96 & do not have what I would call a wiggle, but at speeds >above 55 mph, the bike just doesn't feel, for lack of a better word, >"planted". Good evening, My '96 PC was delivered with: 1) 33 psi front 2) 38 psi rear 3) Rear preload @ #2 Although I have not experienced any wiggle or "unplanted" feeling, initial observations were that the rear tire pressure was a bit too high (giving a harsh ride) and that the rear rebound damping seems *significantly* higher than the CB-1000 I traded in for the PC. (Suspension would "pack" quite often on successive bumps) The following seems to be ideal for my weight/height/style, etc.: 1) 33 psi front 2) 36 psi rear 3) Rear preload @ #3 This resulted in a more comfortable *and* controlled ride, confirming the excessive rebound damping. An unexpected benefit was that the increased rear ride height changed the angle of attack of the windshield just enough to reduce a significant amount of wind noise. (I can now hold conversations with myself...) Here are my not so wonderful physical stats so that you might be able to extrapolate some useful data for your own situation: Height: 5'7" Weight: 175 Inseam: 30" Helmet: Arai Signet Leathers: Hein Gericke Kilimanjaro Jacket / Nevada Touring Pants Boots: Alpinestars 780 Touring (The riding gear probably adds 8 to 10 lbs to total weight) Sorry to ramble on so long. Bye. gk id WAA16947; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:35:21 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:35:21 -0400 To: wingS@armchair.mb.ca From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Trip Report Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com In mentioning my ex-bike, the PC800, I think I've said that it was headed for Alaska. I've just learned that it isn't although two other bikes MAY be headed that way. The purchaser of the PC800 is documenting his trip with words and pictures from a web page you might find of interest. http://www.bcn.net/tour/ --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 06:06:24 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Mike Hanus Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC-800 Front End Wiggle... > I also have a 96 & do not have what I would call a wiggle, but at speeds >above 55 mph, the bike just doesn't feel, for lack of a better word, >"planted". Good evening, I hope this isn't a redundant posting - my mail server returned this as unsent, for reasons unknown (Other people I know on this provider had problems the last few days also...) My '96 PC was delivered with: 1) 33 psi front 2) 38 psi rear 3) Rear preload @ #2 Although I have not experienced any wiggle or "unplanted" feeling, initial observations were that the rear tire pressure was a bit too high (giving a harsh ride) and that the rear rebound damping seems *significantly* higher than the CB-1000 I traded in for the PC. (Suspension would "pack" quite often on successive bumps) The following seems to be ideal for my weight/height/style, etc.: 1) 33 psi front 2) 36 psi rear 3) Rear preload @ #3 This resulted in a more comfortable *and* controlled ride, confirming the excessive rebound damping. An unexpected benefit was that the increased rear ride height changed the angle of attack of the windshield just enough to reduce a significant amount of wind noise. (I can now hold conversations with myself...) Here are my not so wonderful physical stats so that you might be able to extrapolate some useful data for your own situation: Height: 5'7" Weight: 175 Inseam: 30" Helmet: Arai Signet Leathers: Hein Gericke Kilimanjaro Jacket / Nevada Touring Pants Boots: Alpinestars 780 Touring (The riding gear probably adds 8 to 10 lbs to total weight) Sorry to ramble on so long. Bye. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:43:56 -0400 To: jamesm@calweb.com, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: mdube@hsc.usc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HawkGT@dsea.com Subject: Re: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again In a message dated 96-06-28 01:27:44 EDT, jamesm@calweb.com (James Montebello) writes: >A *lot* of bikes use this filter. CB-1, CBR600 (all years), ZX-7, >and probably lots more. It looks the same as many Suzuki's as well. Regards, <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:05:49 -0400 To: julio49@ix17.ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... I have a 1995 PC800 that had Dumblop tires on it. It now has the wonderful Metzler ML2 Marathon tires and handles like a dream. I always felt that the bike was not planted firmly and frequently found myself wandering from side to side. Not so with the Metzlers. Get them ASAP! Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:29:09 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Mileage Hi, Gary. In response to your mileage question: I took a 4400-mile trip in May on my '94 (Trip report very, very late--life interfered with pleasure after I got back!). The first 3650 miles were a mix of Interbore, state highways and many back roads in OR, CA, NV, AZ and UT. I averaged 47 mpg in riding conditions ranging from great to dual-sport. The speed limit was only a factor when it had to be (speed traps, nasty roads, etc). The last 755 miles I kinda blew the mpg, though. It was all interbore thru Utah, southern Idaho, and Oregon, so I pegged it at 95 and kept it there. Covered 755 miles in 10 hours. Dropped my gas mileage to 28 mpg, tho. At one point in Arizona (Sun City to just south of Hoover Dam) I pegged it at 55 mph to see how well I would do. I went 200 miles on that tankful and got 58mpg! Still had enough gas to go another 40 miles (theoretically) but you get gas where you can in the wild, wild West. So break that beautiful '96 in right and it'll treat you right. To everyone else: Hi! Yes, I did get back okay! And much thanks to those of you who were concerned enough about my lack of posting to check on me, like Bob Rufener, Bryce Ulrich and others. Bryce even called long distance to make sure I was okay. Thanks, that was very much appreciated. I had AOL (AOL sucks...) problems and also had to get a new I/O board before I could get my e-mail to work again. And...to top it all off...I couldn't read 6 weeks worth of mail and had to delete it all! (AOL sucks...). Plus...when you're self-employed, 2 weeks gone equals 6 weeks' work when you get back. I will post my trip very, very soon, though. I promise. Rest assured that it was great. L8R... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol(I Suck, but I'm on 500 business cards).com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jul 96 10:33:08 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New member Finally, after 2 years of off-and-on looking, I've landed a used Pacific Coast in what seems to be nice shape at what I think was a decent price. It's awfully hard to find these things used in the Northeast, though I get the feeling they're not falling out of trees anywhere else, either. I've mostly been lurking on the list for a few months, but here's my intro: David Freedman Needham, Mass. (close to Boston) dfreedman@inc.com 1990, 3,000 miles extras: backrest, hondaline/kenwood stereo I'll be upgrading the standard windshield to the rifle as soon as possible. anything else I should consider doing right off? Also, I have a few scratches on the outside of the baggage compartment. Any simple cosmetic touch-up tricks for making them less glaring against the red, short of rubbing compound? Thanks to those of you that have already given me advice during my search. And apologies again to Jason, whom I mistakenly harrassed earlier on. --Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:57:39 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New member Congrats on your new ride. How much $$$$$ ? I would encourage you to find the number for Bob's BMW. It's in the mailing list archives. Get the throttle control/ wrist rest/ cruise control. Cost's about $100 for both bar ends in stainless steel. Makes the long rides alot easier. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Timmacy@aol.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Gas Mileage Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:25:05 -0700 Welcome back Tim! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 14:51:59 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: bmckenna@mint.net Subject: Ride for Kids!! Body

Great News

COUPLE RAISES FUNDS FOR PEDIATRIC BRAIN TUMOR FOUNDATION OF THE UNITED STATES

Once again, we are soliciting sponsor contributions for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States in conjunction with the Honda Riders Club annual 'Ride for Kids'.

We will leave Augusta on August 10th motorcycling to Harriman, NY and join hundreds of other motorcyclists in delivering their collected contributions. All funds will go to Pediatric Brain Tumor Research and to fund the Brain Tumor Registry, which is funded almost solely by funds raised by motorcyclists.

Research laboratories funded by 'Ride for Kids' motorcycling events are providing new therapies and answers to this child and adult killer: Brain Tumors.

Honda Riders Club contributes support for the motorcyclists' efforts by sponsoring and coordinating 'Ride for Kids' annually. Each year over $3,000,000 is raised by cyclists across the country. Last year we (2) raised $692 for this worthy cause. The Harriman Ride collected $30,280!

Those wishing to contribute may send checks made payable to The Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the U.S. to Bill McKenna, RR1, Box 1169, Hallowell, ME 04347.... Contributions are tax deductible and receipts will be mailed.

Thanks!!

STOC, AMA, HRCA, UBM.

********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:42:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Batteries I recently mentioned to a friend that I might replace my battery and asked him which is the best. According to him Yuasa makes all the motorcycle batteries in North America. All the batteries are exactly the same except for coloring and labels. Different sizes for different bikes, of course, but all made by Yuasa to the exact same specs. He recommends buying it on sale at Sears, since it is open 7 days a week 9 to 9 and if the battery goes bad all you have to do is take it back to Sears. Anyone heard of this before? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Batteries <199607031954.OAA24910@spear.miint.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:58:42 -0700 From: Andrew Beals > According to him Yuasa makes all the motorcycle > batteries in North America. That's the Common Knowledge on wreck.moto, yes. They have a *great* calendar, too. 100x better than Snap-on Tools. andy -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 19:37:57 +0000 From: Lee Zook To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Questions about PC800 Greetings, I am not on your list server yet but I have a few questions. Today I looked at a 89 PC800 with about 20K miles. 1)The trunk side panels on both sides are scuffed up(black base of panel showing). The guy said he replaced both front mirrors and fairing side panels. Several other smaller fairing panels were scuffed up. Most of the fairing panels did not fit well, having various size gaps in different locations. The guy said that the person he bought the bike was short/small(?) and had trouble with keeping the bike up and reported that the bike had fallen over several times.Are the panels attached to a sub frame which attaches to the main frame? If so, could this frame be bent causing the misalignment? Are the panels adjustable or do they snap fit into place? Also, the foot pegs felt really strange, making me position my feet unnaturally so that I could shift and brake. Do these bend easily, or are the frame mounting points bent? 2)The bike seemed to run a little rough-I attributed this to carbs needing to be cleaned/serviced. 3)The bike seemed to feel bogged down when rpm ranges of 2000-3500. Is this normal or due to carbs? 4)Is there anything in particular that I should look out for or check? Overall, the bike handled and road good. It does not seem to have as much power as my 84 650 Nighthawk, though. It was quite dirty under the body panels and the guy did not appear to have any maintinance records. I looked at the registration and the guy bought the bike last August(95) and claimed to have paid $1200. He said he spent about $600 on new body panels. What do you think of this situation? He is asking $3000. I am interested. Please reply to me directly, since I have not yet started receiving messages from the list server. Thanks Lee Zook ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:02:27 -0700 To: zooklm@digital.net From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Questions about PC800 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Lee - At 07:37 PM 7/3/96 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings, >I am not on your list server yet but I have a few questions. Today I >looked at a 89 PC800 with about 20K miles. Welcome. Happy looking! [tales of woe snipped] > >I looked at the registration and the guy bought the bike last >August(95) and claimed to have paid $1200. He said he spent about $600 >on new body panels. Well, between the reported price that he purchased the bike for, and the damage and problems you reported, I'm betting that this bike has been more than "tipped over." It has, at least to my feeble little mind, "crasher" written all over it. $1200 is *extremely* cheap for a PC, even one with some cosmetic flaws. In other words, it sounds like it's been crashed, and therefore may have a multitude of problems hidden under the bodywork......... I'd be really careful about buying this bike, if it were my choice to make. Also, be careful to check whether you're getting a "salvage" title, since that would present problems in insuring the bike, and would guarantee that it's been through a fairly serious crash. In fact, I think the *most* I'd offer for it is the $1800 the guy has in it. There's no reason you should pay him an additional $1200 just because he replaced some plastic. Also, if the bike was OK, now that it has allegedly been "fixed," why is the guy selling it? Furthermore, if you really want a PC, you should be able to find a pretty good used example for $3500-$4500, based on what I've seen lately in the _Cycle Trader_ and on this list. Caveat Emptor. - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:00:45 -0400 To: zooklm@digital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Questions about PC800 There are strong indications that bike has more problems than "meet the eye." I have a 94 with 14,000 miles on it. I purchase it used last year, and put the last 12,000 miles on myself. It is very smooth through-out its RPM range. I think you are seeing symptoms of greater problems. I would "pass" on buying it, and wait for one in apparently better condition. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Lists on autopilot From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Jul 1996 00:37:25 -0500 Lines: 10 I am leaving the state in a few hours so the list will be running on autopilot. Everything that doesn't require my intervention will run in my absence, but messages and subscription requests which require my approval will be held. I will return next Thursday. (No, I'm not on the bike, unfortunately. Maine has some wonderful roads when they keep the potholes fixed.) -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:48:46 -0400 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New member >I would encourage you to find the number for Bob's BMW. It's in the mailing >list archives. Get the throttle control/ wrist rest/ cruise control. Cost's >about $100 for both bar ends in stainless steel. Makes the long rides alot >easier. For a $100 I'll hold your throttle open ;-) I have to take a closer look at that item. It seems real high but you often don't get what you don't pay for. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 12:06:54 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "pc800" , "J. C. Lamoreaux" Subject: Parts prices John, try Cycle Design at (508)249-2244. Tell them I sent you. I expect you can do MUCH better than $210. if that is list or even 10% off. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of J. C. Lamoreaux Sent: Thursday, June 27, 1996 12:45 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have a PC800 for sale. It is a 1989 with 6700 miles. The bike is clean and reliable. It does, however, have a cracked mirror casing (replacement cost = 210 dollars). I am located in Durham, NC. Asking price is 3700. JOHN jclam@acpub.duke.edu (919) 493-5673 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:53:07 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New member In a message dated 96-07-04 08:47:31 EDT, Dentman711 writes: << >I would encourage you to find the number for Bob's BMW. It's in the mailing >list archives. Get the throttle control/ wrist rest/ cruise control. Cost's >about $100 for both bar ends in stainless steel. Makes the long rides alot >easier. For a $100 I'll hold your throttle open ;-) I have to take a closer look at that item. It seems real high but you often don't get what you don't pay for. >> Well, Rick Is that an offer or a threat????? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 14:31:15 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" Subject: PC800 wiggle update Karen's 96 PC went to Honda Tuesday..... they were very confused, but admitted the problem existed. Consulted "TECH" and decided to begin with new tires. I was a mite miffed when asked "how fast were you going anyway?? You shouldn't ride over 65". RIGHT! Tires rated for 130, engine that redlines @ 7600.....and one's 'spoestah' keep it @ 65? Come on?! They're trying to fix it anyway..... ;} Think he was toying with me. Bill pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 04 Jul 1996 11:55:56 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 11:51:43 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: New member To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >David Freedman >Needham, Mass. (close to Boston) >dfreedman@inc.com >1990, 3,000 miles >extras: backrest, hondaline/kenwood stereo You lucky devil! :-) I expect the seller didn't know how rare those Kenwood steros are ;-). Enjoy your PC800! Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:22:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Bike Rentals Does anyone know where I can rent a bike in the Northeast? It can be in NY, CT, MA, RI, NH, VT, ME. Please!! My brother is coming out next month and want to go for a ride and I really would hate to borrow a friends bike. Thanks, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 21:01:38 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: Dentman711@aol.com, GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: New member $75. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Dentman711@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 04, 1996 8:48 AM To: GuntherSki@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New member >I would encourage you to find the number for Bob's BMW. It's in the mailing >list archives. Get the throttle control/ wrist rest/ cruise control. Cost's >about $100 for both bar ends in stainless steel. Makes the long rides alot >easier. For a $100 I'll hold your throttle open ;-) I have to take a closer look at that item. It seems real high but you often don't get what you don't pay for. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:57:47 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: New member How about putting some miles on that red thing? ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of David_Freedman@inc.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 1996 11:33 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New member Finally, after 2 years of off-and-on looking, I've landed a used Pacific Coast in what seems to be nice shape at what I think was a decent price. It's awfully hard to find these things used in the Northeast, though I get the feeling they're not falling out of trees anywhere else, either. I've mostly been lurking on the list for a few months, but here's my intro: David Freedman Needham, Mass. (close to Boston) dfreedman@inc.com 1990, 3,000 miles extras: backrest, hondaline/kenwood stereo I'll be upgrading the standard windshield to the rifle as soon as possible. anything else I should consider doing right off? Also, I have a few scratches on the outside of the baggage compartment. Any simple cosmetic touch-up tricks for making them less glaring against the red, short of rubbing compound? Thanks to those of you that have already given me advice during my search. And apologies again to Jason, whom I mistakenly harrassed earlier on. --Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jul 96 20:48:37 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Bill McKenna" , "Mike Hanus" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: front end wiggle...... That vagueness/wandering/not firmly planted/weaving will go away as soon as you get rid of the K555 tires. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mike Hanus Sent: Monday, July 01, 1996 12:42 PM To: Bill McKenna Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... Bill McKenna wrote: > > 'We' have a '96 PC... I say 'cuz the bike's 'hers', the problems, maint > will be 'mine' [I ride ST1100] > > Anyhow, Any experience out there with a front end 'wiggle'... not quite > a shimmy, but not comfortable either. Starts about 50 on the straight > away, higher with the twisties... unbearable after 70ish. All balanced, > rest seems tight enough.. Ideas??? > > Email direct please. I' subscribed to PC the same time as this... don't > know how long it will take.... > > Thanks. > > Bill McKenna > bmckenna@mint.net > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Bill, I also have a 96 & do not have what I would call a wiggle, but at speeds above 55mph, the bike just doesn't feel, for lack of a better word, "planted". It feels a bit like when you go over a steel grate bridge. The bike has less than 1k miles on it, so I'm not sure if it's just a characteristic of the bike, a particular type of road surface, how windy it is, etc. I haven't played with tire pressures (currently have 33psi front & 40psi rear), or rear shock adjustment (currently in the middle position), so I don't know how much (if any) affect they can have. The bike is going in to the dealer tomorrow for the 600 mile mtce., so I'll ask. Any comments by anyone on the list concerning the handling charecteristics of the PC800 would be appreciated. Regards, Mike Hanus ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:03:44 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '90 For Sale FYI, saw this ad in today's Houston Chronicle: 1990 Honda Pacific Coast, PC 800, 11k miles, uncrated 1993, garaged, red, huge trunk, $3500. 333-3506 Area code is 713 if you have an interest. Sounds like a fair price. Clint CGreenwalt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 16:53:40 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Just spotted: PC for sale Content-Id: <15_64_1_836600020> Hi guys, Coleman Power Sports, in Falls Church, VA has an 89' with custom color trim paint (you know, swirly script-style lines, in blue and black, I think), the Hondaline built-in radio, and about 14K miles. It looked spotless, not a scratch anywhere. They're asking $5,299 (which is about $600 more than I paid for my new '89 in 1991), but you never know, they might come down. Their number is 703-237-3400. Ask for Jason Swain. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 21:45:41 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) Greetings, Just finished the first Carb-Sync on my '96 PC. I never would have thought that the PC would be the easiest bike of any I've owned to sync the carbs on. This is mostly due to the under seat gas tank, (No "IV" bottle external tank required) and easy access to vacuum connections. I don't know what a dealer would charge, but I'm sure the cost of the equipment would pay for itself after the second carb sync (Mercury sync gauge-$68, Vacuum pump-$59). Also a big "thank-you" to Honda for hydraulic valve lifters. (Probably chosen because no one could afford to have them adjusted if they were of the threaded lock nut variety...) My old Hawk-GT was quite tedious and that had no bodywork! FYI: 1) If anyone wants Honda part numbers and/or codes to make mail order parts shopping easier, I have the microfiche that covers all years from 89 thru 96. Let me know what you need and I'll supply the Honda part number. 2) The Honda service manual has *25* pages of detailed instructions on how to strip every last piece of bodywork off the bike...(My brain hurts...) That's enough for now. Bye. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 02:28:15 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: HONDAMIL@aol.com Cc: "pc800" Subject: RE: RFQ Andy, thanks for the quote. I won't be ordering from you since my dealer, Cycle Design of Phillipston, MA, gave me better prices. Their prices are in ($$$) after your prices. Sorry, maybe next time. Roger Prince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HONDAMIL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 1996 7:36 PM To: Roger Prince Subject: Re: RFQ In a message dated 96-07-01 17:48:29 EDT, you write: << 61101-MT3-000ZA Fender, FRK *NH1* (Black) $85.32 ($79.00) 1 61102-MT3-000 Plate, FRK Fender $34.36 ($31.81) 2 90106-MT3-000 Screw, Pan (6X54) $2.44 ($ 2.26) 2 96001-06022-07 Bolt, Flange (6X22) $.68 ($ .63) 6 15410-MM9-013 Oil Filter $7.26 ($ 6.73) 2 17230-MR5-000 Air Filter $42.30 ($28.84) >> prices above single + shipping.. ($ 4.00) shipping Call Bill in aprts to order at 18007342639 or e-mail me...if you have anymore questions. Andy Honda of Milpitas 18007342639 4082636060 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 02:38:54 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "JOE STEVE" , "Michael Dube" Cc: "PC800 list" Subject: RE: Re: oil filter over reaction Well, I can say that if one of the Honda oil filters failed, I think my warranty or Honda would stand behind their product. In 104,000 miles I changed the oil on my '90 PC 30 times. At $4.99+shipping at J.C.Whitney versus my price at Cycle Design of $6.73+shipping I'd have blown the grand total of $52.20 in 4yrs. $13 per year. Pennies? IMHO, yes. Well worth the peace of mind that I used the best product (the same used on the CBR900RR). ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Michael Dube Sent: Friday, June 28, 1996 5:52 PM To: JOE STEVE Cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: oil filter over reaction On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, JOE STEVE wrote: > For goodness sake, if you are really that paranoid, sell me > your PC and buy yourself a walker. Seriously though, I think It belongs to my wife and she is not willing to sell it. I do ride it fairly often. My primary safety concern is with my 650 Hawk race bike, which uses the same filter. It only makes sense that if an oil filter has threads that are visibly inferior and it also blows off of bikes sometimes that it may present a safety problem even for a bike as feminine as the PC. > I may have some special filters for sale, special steel I think, > only $200 each. Send me cash only. For those of you who > don't automatically believe that more expensive is > automatically better, JC Whitney sells EMGO filters, and I've > used at least two dozen of them. They seem ok. Maybe not > the best, but serviceable. I am not sure that "seem ok" or "serviceable" is a strong enough endorsement for a safety related item. > ----------clipped from a previous email---------- > "To put it in Plain English: "Is your life worth $8?"" I didn't say that, but is it? MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:49:50 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: What, no engine problems? Howdy! Y'know after hanging around here for a while, I'm surprised that I haven't heard any engine horror stories. (unless you count the st*t*r) Has no one had a rod knocking at their door? Has no one forgotten to put oil back in after a change? Burned a valve? Dropped the timing chain into the case? Had an oil pump fail? Blown a coolant hose? Had an electronic ignition unit fail? Hmmm. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 6 Jul 1996 10:17:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 10:29:43 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What, no engine problems? ok daniel...if you're gonna keep playing with you engine we're gonna have to punish you :>) as my girlfriend likes to tell me...shut up, stop worrying and just drive :>) have a safe weekend! -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 16:07:22 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) Content-Id: <28_71_1_836683642> Gary (or anyone else who knows), My service manual helpfully says to refer to the Common Service Manual (which I found at a local dealer: only $54!) for detailed instructions on carb synching. Although I have a 4-column mercury synch tool, the last time I used it was probably about a decade ago on a previous bike, never on the PC. So I'm not clear on exactly how to do it, how to use that vacuum pump (do you really need it?) and so on. If anyone has the pages from the Common Service Manual and can copy/fax them to me, or can simply describe the process (carefully and thoroughly) here or in private mail to me, I'd be most appreciative. Thanks, --James Hyder '89 PC800, (bought new on 7/5/1991) 25K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 16:20:48 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: CD Player adapation and Aerostich experience Content-Id: <28_71_1_836684448> Hi guys, I'm just back from a ride to glamorous Cleveland (for the Grand Prix IndyCar race -- it was great, thanks) which was my first full-length test of my adaptation of the CD-player I mentioned buying a few months ago, and my new Aerostich suit. The player is a Panasonic SL-S491C, with 10 seconds of electronic shock protection, which worked great over some of the roughest roads I've ever ridden over. It has a wireless infrared remote control, which I wanted to try attaching to the handlebars for easier control of the player while riding. The problem being, of course, that the player would have to be placed with its sensor in line of sight of the remote. This turned out not to be practical. How do you turn a wireless remote into a wired remote so you can place the player anywhere you want (including inside the pocket of a tank bag)? Answer: Fiber optics!!! I got a length of thin plastic optical fiber, fashioned a simple clip to hold one end of the fiber onto the remote, and after cutting the other end at an angle, taped it over the sensor on the CD player. It works great! (I know tape isn't a very elegant solution, but it worked, and no other easy method was available in the time I had.) I velcroed the remote to the left handlebar (with a rubber band just to make sure it didn't fall off at speed), and placed the player in the side pocket of my Bag Man tank bag. The remote gave me Start, Stop, Skip, Volume controls, and I could keep the hold switch on the player engaged to prevent accidental button pushes while in the pocket. (Power came from the cigarette lighter I recently installed in the left side fairing pocket, and I used earbud headsets inside my helmet. I've taken some pictures of the setup that I'll try to scan and post to the Web page in the next few days (or weeks). I also wore my new Aerostich on this ride, with mixed results. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the suit itself: great workmanship, good fit (although slightly long in the leg, could be altered easily), cool look, lots of pockets. On the ride out to Cleveland, I took some of the back roads of Central and Western Penbnsylvania, and at about 75 - 80 degrees, the suit was comfortable and easy to wear on the long haul (although it was warm enough when I stopped for lunch that I quikcly got out of it). On the ride back, though, the temperature was about 85. I wore the suit for about 4 or 5 hours, including through some unanticipated stop-and-go riding. But even at 65-75 mph I was way too warm, especially my legs. So at my last fuel stop, I took it off, and strapped to to the back seat. I was MUCH more comfortable for the last two hours. So I got to wondering whether this suit is really right for me. Most of my riding is in summer in weather that may be over 80. If I rode all year round (which I used to do, but no longer have to) I'd have no doubts, but for the half-dozen or so major trips I make each year, a $670 suit may be more than I need (and more than I need to spend) for moderate protection beyond the leather jacket and jeans I'd otherwise wear. And of course, I won't wear it at all for trips under 2 hours. So I'm thinking it over. My $0.02. Any other Aerostich users' comments would be appreciated. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 20:08:16 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) jhyder@erols.com wrote: > Although I have a 4-column mercury synch tool, the last time > I used it was probably about a decade ago on a previous bike, never on the > PC. So I'm not clear on exactly how to do it, how to use that vacuum pump > (do you really need it?) and so on. The Honda Common Service Manual can be quite useful when the guy who wrote the Model Specific service manual didn't feel like explaining a procedure...(I hope I didn't pay $54 for mine, can't remember) Anyway, while it's still fresh in my mind, here's what you do: 1) Remove enough bodywork to allow faux gas tank to be removed. 2) Hang Carb Sync tool from clutch lever (Personal preference...) 3) Remove petcock vacuum hose (The end attached to the carb, not the end attached to the petcock) 4) Attach vacuum pump to this vacuum hose. Draw about 10 - 15 in. of vacuum. (This number is not critical, we just want gas to reach the carbs) The vacuum pump should easily rest on the seat or in the gas tank overfill tray. 5) Attach one hose from Carb Sync tool to fitting that you removed petcock hose from. 6) Attach another hose from Carb Sync tool to the vacuum hose fitting on the other carb. (This is on the opposite side from the petcock fitting. It is a short length of vacuum hose with an adapter attached to it. Remove the plug on the end of this adapter and attach your Carb Sync hose here. Thank-you Honda.) Side-bar Comment: If this were a 3 or more cylinder engine, we would want to know which hose of the Carb Sync tool was connected to the "Base" carb. The "Base" carb is the one to which you adjust all other cylinders to. i.e.: It has no adjustment of its' own. The PC being a twin, we really don't care, although you will be able to tell which is the "Base" once you start actually doing the Sync. FYI: Rear cylinder is "Base". 7) Find a *LONG* #2 Phillips screwdriver. 8) See that oval hole in the center rear of the airbox cover? Shine a flashlight in there and look for a Phillips/slotted adjustment screw. This is your carb sync adjustment. Use a Phillips as it will not slide out of engagement with the screw. 9) Disclaimer Time: Open garage door! Start engine and let reach operating temp. (Once warm, I use a 12" fan aimed at the radiator so the fan on the bike doesn't run as often) 10)Set idle at 1200 rpm. 11)Adjust carb sync screw until vacuum differential between cylinders is as small as possible. (For those who just have to know, Honda says within 20 mm is good and 40 mm is the upper limit) 12)Things they don't tell you:(Remove screwdriver) Bring engine up to about 4000 rpm and hold it steady at this speed. Vacuum differential should be between 20 mm and 40 mm (Mine is closer to 20 mm, yours may vary slightly) 13)More things they don't tell you: Bring engine speed back to idle *SLOWLY* because if you chop the throttle quickly, the sudden increase in vacuum could possibly draw mercury into the cylinders. If it's not good for tuna...never mind. 14)Now put it all back together and log it in your maintenance book. You do keep track of these things, don't you??? 15)When reassembling, *Double Check* all vacuum connections have been reestablished. An unattached vacuum line could cause the engine to run lean enough for unpleasant things to happen. (Norm says: "measure twice, etc.") Well, that's it. Sorry it's so lengthy, but better too much detail than not enough. Good luck. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Jul 96 20:32:07 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:jhyder@erols.com" Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Aerostich experience James Have my two piece aerostitch suit since 1991. I love it and wear both pieces all the time. Yes, the pants are hot if it is over 85 or if you are stopped. I slip in and out of em whenever I stop. I sort of hesitate to not wear the pants as it is sort of like seat belts or a full coverage helmet. Once you get used to having it, you feel kina neked without it (grin). Anyway, the jacket is *never* hot to me. I unzip the *pits* fully and open the back zipper and leave the sleeves open to pump air into it. I have used it in incredibly hot weather and, instead of packing the pockets with ice like Andy (of Aerostitch) says, I simply pour water on my shirt (or dampen in in a a sink at a rest stop). I did that once in Tennessee when the temp was in excess of 110 and I got to tell you I was quite chilly from the convection. As I recall the effect lasts well over an hour. If you are going to the store, you might skip this tactic but, I often take *long* trips and by the time I stop next time, I am cool and dried off! I haven't figured out a way to do that with the pants without feeling a bit embarrassed (smile). Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 03:48:56 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Daniel MacKay" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: What, no engine problems? Coolant seepage. Seals on return pipes bad. Replaced under warranty at 35mo/73,000mi. Not bad, eh? Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Daniel MacKay Sent: Saturday, July 06, 1996 9:49 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: What, no engine problems? Howdy! Y'know after hanging around here for a while, I'm surprised that I haven't heard any engine horror stories. (unless you count the st*t*r) Has no one had a rod knocking at their door? Has no one forgotten to put oil back in after a change? Burned a valve? Dropped the timing chain into the case? Had an oil pump fail? Blown a coolant hose? Had an electronic ignition unit fail? Hmmm. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 Jul 96 08:58:13 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: The Fossil's PC is for sale! I'm thinking seriously of replacing my trusty '90 Pacific Coast with a '96 Pacific Coast. So...I am testing the waters regarding selling it to someone who will give it a good home. It will be returned to stock condition, with the Corbin seat and other accessories removed for installation on the new bike. It does have Progresssive front fork springs... It has...sixty-four thousand miles...but runs and looks like a bike with much lower mileage. It has been garage kept, and looks very close to like-new in appearance. The bike has never been abused, run low on oil or coolant. It has never given me any problems! I have complete service records. It has never been abused, run to the rev limiter, etc. No PC has had better care than mine! I have the Honda backrest... After break-in, Golden Spectro has been used, with changes every 3,000 - 4,000 miles. I put Silkolene synthetic oil in it at the last change. The Dunlop tires have lots of miles left on them... The original battery was replaced this past March... It still has the original front brake pads and rear brake linings...my mechanic accuses me of dragging my feet when I want to stop! The bodywork is still bright, and no one ever believes me when I tell them how many miles I have on the bike! The highest compliment I can pay to this bike is that I want another one just like it! I've gotten about 15,000 miles on my tires...have used both Metzelers and Dunlops. PRICE - $4,000 I am riding down to Champion Honda/BMW in Charleston Tuesday to talk with them about a new PC. Randy Morgan, one of their mechanics, has performed all the maintenance on my bike. Feel free to call him at 803/554-4600 to inquire about the condition of my bike. ************************************************** DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director Honda Sport Touring Association HSTA Member #0001 HRCA Member #700266 AMA (Life) Member # 180901 Compuserve 71430,340 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 "Life is short...I think I'll go ridiing!" ************************************************* ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 11:51:59 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: Bob Rufener Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom thanks, bob. look forward to hearing about your longer ride, i probably won't be taking my first one until early august, when my wife and i head up to the beaches in maine for a weekend. she's not a big fan of my kawasaki kz-700, which i'm now selling, but she's taking a cautiously indulgent attitude towards the pc, which is all i can ask for now, i guess. i've pointed out to her that taking the bike to maine means we won't be able to buy a lot of kitchenware in kittery, but that didn't seem to faze her. is mobil 1 generally thought to be a good move for the pc? i'm having mine given a tune-up in 2 days at a dealer, not sure what they intend to use for oil. i'm also wondering if there's a way to add earphones, intercom, and maybe a portable cd to the radio system. i'm not seeing a headphone adapter on the bike anywhere, but the radio owner's manual seems to think there should be one, or that there could be one, anyway. Dave ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: New member Author: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) at Internet Date: 7/6/96 10:17 PM Dave, Welcome to the group. I found my '89 PC this April with 8800 miles on it. I also have the rarified Honda/Kenwood radio which I really enjoy. I wound up putting a wanted to buy ad in the Milwaukee, WI paper. Received 5 calls on bikes and wound up buying, what I think is, the best deal. I really enjoy riding the bike and haven't taken any lengthy trips so far. May take a ride next week end with my brother to southern Illinois for a bike race. About 450 miles. Should be a good test for riding. Will change oil with Mobil 1 before I leave. Hope you have good luck with your bike. Happy and safe riding to you. Bob pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 07 Jul 1996 12:17:02 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 10:17:27 -0700 From: MDTurley@wtp.net (MDTurley) Subject: Re: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >thanks, bob. look forward to hearing about your longer ride, i >probably won't be taking my first one until early august, when my wife >and i head up to the beaches in maine for a weekend. she's not a big >fan of my kawasaki kz-700, which i'm now selling, but she's taking a >cautiously indulgent attitude towards the pc, which is all i can ask >for now, i guess. i've pointed out to her that taking the bike to >maine means we won't be able to buy a lot of kitchenware in kittery, >but that didn't seem to faze her. > >is mobil 1 generally thought to be a good move for the pc? i'm having >mine given a tune-up in 2 days at a dealer, not sure what they intend >to use for oil. > >i'm also wondering if there's a way to add earphones, intercom, and >maybe a portable cd to the radio system. i'm not seeing a headphone >adapter on the bike anywhere, but the radio owner's manual seems to >think there should be one, or that there could be one, anyway. > >Dave > > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Re: New member >Author: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) at Internet >Date: 7/6/96 10:17 PM > > >Dave, > >Welcome to the group. I found my '89 PC this April with 8800 miles on it. I >also have the rarified Honda/Kenwood radio which I really enjoy. I wound up >putting a wanted to buy ad in the Milwaukee, WI paper. Received 5 calls on >bikes and wound up buying, what I think is, the best deal. I really enjoy >riding the bike and haven't taken any lengthy trips so far. May take a ride >next week end with my brother to southern Illinois for a bike race. About >450 miles. Should be a good test for riding. Will change oil with Mobil 1 >before I leave. > >Hope you have good luck with your bike. Happy and safe riding to you. > >Bob > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. About Mobil 1: Although I use it in all my cars, including my old work car (84 Honda Civic, 170,000 mi) I don't recomend it for bikes. I used it in my OLD GOLD WING ('76) forgetting the clutch is a bit weak. The stuff is so slippery that the clutch slipped badly in 2nd gear. I opt for the Honda Synthetic in both my bikes. Supposedly it has an additive that is specifically helps the clutch hook up. I got this info from a Honda rep. at the last US Grand Prix at Laguna Seca. Who knows? For what it's worth, MT in MT -- "Murphy was an optimist" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ACSInfo@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:02:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 89 PC For Sale I live in Silver Spring, Maryland, and have a 1989 Pacific Coast for sale, if anyone knows of a buyer. My PC has 24K miles and is in perfect condition, complete with new wash and wax! Replaced the rear tire last month. Rifle windshield. Please write to ACSinfo@aol.com if interested. Roberta ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: Questions & questions Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:29:22 +-200 I didn't get a manual with my '89 PC800, so maybe some of you can answer = a few questions: 1. I can't find a "reserve" on the fuel tank. Does it have one? Or is = "dead" really "time for a stiff constitutional" . . . 2. With my (rather light) wife behind me on the bike my front light is = too high: it blinds traffic in front of me. Also, the beam lights the = top of trees, not the road. Is there an easy way to change that? 3. I know the rear suspension can be stiffened but how is that done? = Will that stop the bike from "banging" when hitting one of those ugly = (probably typicallu Dutch) speed-bumps wit the missus on the back? PS: = wife weighs appr. 65K, I weigh 90K. 4. My clutch reems to be slipping. Suddenly fully opening the throttle @ = 50 MPH makes it slip almost 'till 7000 rpm before the clutch gets a grip = on the bike. Is that normal or should I make de shop do a warranty = repair? 5. What are the "progressive springs" and in what way are they better = than the standard ones? 6. The side-covers with the air-holes (the ones one can see the = cylinders through) keep coming loose on my bike. Any easy solutions for = that problem? Apart from the above my 5 weeks old PC ('89, black repaint) also had a = piece of plastic in the carb (stopping one cylinder) and some bolts = coming loose on the front forks causing an extremely dangerous = sudden-stop in the movement of the habdlebars when moving frome left to = right and vice-versa. I'm realy losing my cool with the shop that sold = me the bike. Not with the bike itself though, it's a nice & carefree = machine that is perfect for me: a total non-mechanic: I hate oil & = metal! Rob Ramsey Netherlands '89 PC800 painted kawasaki black & red PC grey. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: Intercom - good experience Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:20:43 +-200 Three weeks ago we bought the AUTOCOM intercom system for biker and duo. = Autocom is a UK manufacturer. I bought mine in the Netherlands (van = Wijk, Zoetermeer). They have three models of which we got the most expensive: the "pro 10". = It requires a 9 volt battery and is worn bij the duo. It fits nicelely = into a pcket. Three leads leave the unit: one for the duo, one for the = driver (marked with a red band) and one for an optional radio extension = (more on that later). The driver-lead is also the lead used for = measuremend of driving noise. It features: - VOX control - Built in noise sensor that increases the volume as the riding noise = increases and vice-verse (IMHO a must!) - connector for radio, walkman or CD player - music fade-out or cut-out when speaking (you have a choice) - fader for music volume to satisfy both driver and duo - 9 volt battery that lasts 5 to 10 hours, depending on whether duo is = chatting missus or silent bro. Extra to the unit are the headsets, different ones for open helmets and = full-face helmets. These are very easy to install although not very = permanent. Extra options: - Power supply lead from the battery, including one that will also feed = the radio, walkman or CD player - telephone for phoning while riding (UK only? I don't know) - Bike-to-bike extension, can be powered from the power supply lead. - If required it can be built into the bike. Our final setup will involve two bikes and three persons. On one we'll = have this system extended with AUTOCOM-bike2bike-radio, on the other = just the AUTOCOM bike2bike-radio. That, AUTOCOM tells us, will allow = full-duplex among all three of us. In other words: Bike 1: P1 <-> Autocom one-bike unit <-> P2 I Bike 1: Autocom Bike2Bike unit \ -- \ Bike 2: Autocom Bike2Bike unit Bike 2: P3 We're quite happy with the unit. It works well, albeit the mike must be = touching your lips. Volume control is great. Music fidelty is lousy, no = bass-tones. Oh well, can't win 'em all I guess. I like the fact that it = isn't built into the bike: makes it more flexible, specially if we have = two bikes. Also the way it's built into the helmet allows quick changing = of helmets: I have a separate slow-drive touring helmet for hot weather = and a fast & expensive job for day2day use. There is virtually no time-lag before it switches on: it's really fast. = When driving fast however (80 Mph +) words starting with, for instance, = a "V" miss the "V" because it's very hard to pronounse that loud enough. Unit cost us Dfl 329 ($205), headsets are Dfl 200 ($125) each. Not cheap = but very good. If necessary, AUTOCOM are available at: 34, Hawkes drive, Heathcote Industrial Estate Warwick, CV34 6LX Tel (UK) 01926 431249 Fax (UK) 01926 431250 Feel free to E-maiil me for questions. pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 07 Jul 1996 17:29:14 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 17:24:59 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Questions & questions To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >1. I can't find a "reserve" on the fuel tank. Does it have one? Or is >"dead" really "time for a stiff constitutional" . . . With a PC800, the fuel guage is all you have :-). I too grew up on the reserve tank which works really well considering that it was a stop-gap solution for no fuel guage! When the needle is about vertical, you have used about 1/3 of the tank. When the needle is in the red bar, you have used about 2/3. I like to refuel at this point :-). Most PC's can make it until the needle is into the 'hose' loop in the figure before running out. Some owners like to pack a liter of extra fuel in the trunk just in case. If you do, make sure to get a excellent aluminium container :-). >2. With my (rather light) wife behind me on the bike my front light is too >high: it blinds traffic in front of me. Also, the beam lights the top of >trees, not the road. Is there an easy way to change that? Look under the light and you will see an adjustment one moves the light from side to side and one up and down (it is fairly easy to determine which is which). Just stuck a handy screw driver in there and adjust away. It takes lot's of turns to make a difference and if you are lighting the trees, be patient :-). >3. I know the rear suspension can be stiffened but how is that done? Will >that stop the bike from "banging" when hitting one of those ugly (probably >typicallu Dutch) speed-bumps wit the missus on the back? PS: wife weighs >appr. 65K, I weigh 90K. There should be a tool in your toolkit that allows you to move the rear shock adjustment (3 settings). It is a pain to 'tighten' so be careful you don't slip and bung your knuckles :-). >4. My clutch reems to be slipping. Suddenly fully opening the throttle @ >50 MPH makes it slip almost 'till 7000 rpm before the clutch gets a grip >on the bike. Is that normal or should I make de shop do a warranty repair? Do not pass 'Go' do not 'collect $200' ;-) go to another shop (you really do need another mechanic) and get this looked at right away! Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 01:37:37 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "MDTurley" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom That may have been true of Mobil 1/motorcycles in 1976 but I don't think it's true these days. I'd say Golden Spectro, Honda HP4 or Mobil 1 in my own PC. I've used all three with GS used the most often. Then there's many who say any oil of modern day specs with frequent oil changes will be fine. Black Magic. Mobil 1 can be found, on sale, for about half the price of the other two if price is an object. I have been told by Mike Baldwin of GS, formerly AMA F1 champion, that Mobil has a motorcycle specific oil in Europe because regular Mobil 1 users were having to replace worn camshafts. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of MDTurley Sent: Sunday, July 07, 1996 1:17 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom >thanks, bob. look forward to hearing about your longer ride, i >probably won't be taking my first one until early august, when my wife >and i head up to the beaches in maine for a weekend. she's not a big >fan of my kawasaki kz-700, which i'm now selling, but she's taking a >cautiously indulgent attitude towards the pc, which is all i can ask >for now, i guess. i've pointed out to her that taking the bike to >maine means we won't be able to buy a lot of kitchenware in kittery, >but that didn't seem to faze her. > >is mobil 1 generally thought to be a good move for the pc? i'm having >mine given a tune-up in 2 days at a dealer, not sure what they intend >to use for oil. > >i'm also wondering if there's a way to add earphones, intercom, and >maybe a portable cd to the radio system. i'm not seeing a headphone >adapter on the bike anywhere, but the radio owner's manual seems to >think there should be one, or that there could be one, anyway. > >Dave > > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Re: New member >Author: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) at Internet >Date: 7/6/96 10:17 PM > > >Dave, > >Welcome to the group. I found my '89 PC this April with 8800 miles on it. I >also have the rarified Honda/Kenwood radio which I really enjoy. I wound up >putting a wanted to buy ad in the Milwaukee, WI paper. Received 5 calls on >bikes and wound up buying, what I think is, the best deal. I really enjoy >riding the bike and haven't taken any lengthy trips so far. May take a ride >next week end with my brother to southern Illinois for a bike race. About >450 miles. Should be a good test for riding. Will change oil with Mobil 1 >before I leave. > >Hope you have good luck with your bike. Happy and safe riding to you. > >Bob > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. About Mobil 1: Although I use it in all my cars, including my old work car (84 Honda Civic, 170,000 mi) I don't recomend it for bikes. I used it in my OLD GOLD WING ('76) forgetting the clutch is a bit weak. The stuff is so slippery that the clutch slipped badly in 2nd gear. I opt for the Honda Synthetic in both my bikes. Supposedly it has an additive that is specifically helps the clutch hook up. I got this info from a Honda rep. at the last US Grand Prix at Laguna Seca. Who knows? For what it's worth, MT in MT -- "Murphy was an optimist" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 96 01:24:07 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "pc800" , "HSTA" Subject: FW: RFQ This is a resend of my reply to Honda of Milpitas. I want to add in the list price used by Cycle Design and another of my sources. In the order of the list below 107.12, 53.58, 3.81, 1.00, 10.76, 38.45. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- Sent: Friday, July 05, 1996 10:28 PM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: HONDAMIL@aol.com Cc: 'pc800' Subject: RE: RFQ Andy, thanks for the quote. I won't be ordering from you since my dealer, Cycle Design of Phillipston, MA, gave me better prices. Their prices are in ($$$) after your prices. Sorry, maybe next time. Roger Prince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HONDAMIL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 1996 7:36 PM To: Roger Prince Subject: Re: RFQ In a message dated 96-07-01 17:48:29 EDT, you write: << 61101-MT3-000ZA Fender, FRK *NH1* (Black) $85.32 ($79.00) 1 61102-MT3-000 Plate, FRK Fender $34.36 ($31.81) 2 90106-MT3-000 Screw, Pan (6X54) $2.44 ($ 2.26) 2 96001-06022-07 Bolt, Flange (6X22) $.68 ($ .63) 6 15410-MM9-013 Oil Filter $7.26 ($ 6.73) 2 17230-MR5-000 Air Filter $42.30 ($28.84) >> prices above single + shipping.. ($ 4.00) shipping Call Bill in aprts to order at 18007342639 or e-mail me...if you have anymore questions. Andy Honda of Milpitas 18007342639 4082636060 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:13:42 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Alaskan's progress toward home. I just spoke with Cory Estes; he's near Whitehorse, Yukon on his way home from the HSTA STAR Rally in West Virginia. He had front wheel bearing failure close to Whitehorse and the HRC (Honda Rider's Club) service will be out to retrieve he and the PC for a ride into Whitehorse on a trailer or flatbed. His mount has "only" 33K miles or so and wheel bearing failure is not all that uncommon even at that fairly low mileage. The reason for the short life appears to be the use of a large (25mm) front axle. That requires smaller balls in the front wheel bearings to compensate. I can recommend SKF brand of bearings as being a bit better than the stock items. There is a number etched into the outside of the bearings, something like 6205 or 6305, I don't remember which. Many bearing suppliers can cross that number into a brand they carry, just be sure to get double sealed bearings. Sometimes the number will suggest the number of sealing surfaces, i.e. 6205-2RS is a two side sealed item while 6205-RS has only one sealed side. Be sure to have your wheel bearings checked every time you change tires; it would be prudent to replace them every other tire change in my opinion. That's much cheaper than having the job done while en route somewhere. The PC front wheel bearing seal is NOT easily available from bearing/seal suppliers -- you'll have to depend on Honda for that part. Be very careful removing the old seal if you have to use it again. Carefully pry up around the inside of the grease seal, moving around the circumference evenly. You can always replace the seal again later without much trouble! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:43:17 -0400 To: RogerPrince@msn.com, bmckenna@mint.net, julio49@ix17.ix.netcom.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: front end wiggle...... In a message dated 96-07-04 17:14:23 EDT, RogerPrince@msn.com (Roger Prince) writes: << That vagueness/wandering/not firmly planted/weaving will go away as soon as you get rid of the K555 tires. >> Really. After I KO'ed my rear wheel I also purchased a new rear tire. (2 actually but that's another story) The tire that came off the rear was a Dunlop 177 which I thought was very "wiggley" in the back. The current round thingy is a K555 which feels much better. This may be because I installed the wheel myself so ... pride of workmanship.... " after I clean my car it runs better"..... I've got an ML2 waiting in the wings for the next replacement.. thoughts????? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:46:40 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What, no engine problems? Are you kidding? No one on this group would EVER drop a plug down the back side of the fairing or anything like that...... we're careful and we care.... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:49:57 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: CD Player adapation and Aerostich experience You didn't mention if your suit was leather.... I have heard of other 'Stich owners with leather suits wetting them down before hitting the road...... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:45:11 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) In a message dated 96-07-05 21:53:53 EDT, garyklim@SNET.Net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << 2) The Honda service manual has *25* pages of detailed instructions on how to strip every last piece of bodywork off the bike...(My brain hurts...) >> Is this in the Honda Service manual or another book? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 09:58:18 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, ruf@nconnect.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom Hi Dave, I purchased an AIWA CD player and (get this !!!) radio (built in !! ) They are the only people that I found that make a portable CD player with ESS (electronic shock absorbtion) and an AM/FM radio. Digital controls, station presets, seek the whole deal. I carry it in a fanny pack and use ear bud type headphones under the helmet. The whole rig works great. You can get the cigarette power device if you've rigged one on your bike. For two, get a head phone splitter thingy ( that's the technical term) Z (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:39:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 07:31:26 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Oil Seepage??? Ok, I managed to screw up the cooling system, and ran it low on oil about a quart or so.... BTW, I'm starting to write a letter to Honda complaining about the oil seepage in the engine. Tom Sill @ Lake City Honda (etc...) says he's been in contact with them, since he's seen about 6 of 'em. So, once again, pull those exhaust covers, look for an oil seep. If ya got one, write: American Honda 1919 Torrance boullevard Torrance, CA 90501 (310) 783-2000 And let'em know. We may get some work out of them. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." 08 Jul 1996 09:58:21 -0500 (CDT) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26945 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 07:57:03 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:56:44 -0400 From: Steve Carr Subject: Re: Questions & questions To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: fastcarr@ix.netcom.com Harrison Spain wrote: > >4. My clutch reems to be slipping. Suddenly fully opening the throttle @ > >50 MPH makes it slip almost 'till 7000 rpm before the clutch gets a grip > >on the bike. Is that normal or should I make de shop do a warranty repair? > > Do not pass 'Go' do not 'collect $200' ;-) go to another shop (you really > do need another mechanic) and get this looked at right away! My clutch did this for a while also. It seemed to be different every year. Then it hit me! I was using a different brand of oil from time to time. It was really bad late last year (Pennzoil 10W30 automotive). I recently switched to Mobil 1 synthetic 15W50 and the probably is *almost* completely gone. My next oil change will be with Hondas synthetic oil, we'll see how that works. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: PC800 list Subject: Re: Fram 6017 motorcycle oil filter recall (fwd) The following was sent to me by NTHSA after my own search of the database failed to show any references to the filter recall. There is no mention of any recall in 1996. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Garth Molyneux To: Michael Dub=E9 Cc: Garth Molyneux , aorndorff@hsc.usc.edu, tanderson@dotnews.nhtsa.dot.gov Subject: Re: Fram 6017 motorcycle oil filter recall Dear Mr. Dube, As noted on the initial query form, those items without a specific year reference are assigned the year 1900. Please find listed at the end of this email, the results from a search in the recalls database for the FRAM 6107 oil filter recall. Respectfully, Garth E. Molyneux > I searched your database regarding the recall of this oil filter and got > no references. I know that it was recalled in 1995 and I heard that it > was recalled again this year recently. Please advise on how I access > information regarding this. It is an important safety item. > > MPD ******** http://odig50.nhtsa.dot.gov/cgi-bin/rsearch ******** > > [NHTSA logo...] > > NSA: Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) > > Recall Reports > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Call the Auto Safety Hotline at (1-800-424-9393) to report safety > defects or to obtain information on cars, trucks, child seats, > highway or traffic safety. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Report Date: Mon Jul 08 08:30:18 1996 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 95E010000 > Make: FRAM > Model: PH6017 > Year: 1900 > Causing Fault : DOES NOT MEET SPECS,MATERIAL,HEAT TREATMENT > Resulting Fault : DISCONNECTED,FELL OFF,APART > Component: ENGINE:OIL FILTER/BRACKET > Manufacturer: ALLIEDSIGNAL AUTOMOTIVE > Year of Recall: 1995 > Type of Report: Equipment > Potential Number of Units Affected: 25,115 > Summary: > > SYSTEM: ENGINE; OIL FILTER/BRACKET. > > EQUIPMENT DESCRIPTION: MOTORCYCLE OIL FILTERS WITH THE WORDS "MADE > IN KOREA" PRINTED ON THE FILTER AND ON THE PACKAGING. > > DESCRIPTION OF DEFECT: THE DISTANCE FROM THE FIRST THREAD OF THE > FILTER TO THE GASKET FACE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.405" AND IT SHOULD BE > APPROXIMATELY 0.388". THIS DESIGN ONLY ALLOWS A FEW THREADS TO > ENGAGE WHEN INSTALLING ON MOTORCYCLE AND CAN RESULT IN THE FILTER > "BLOWING OFF." > > CONSEQUENCE OF DEFECT: OIL WILL BE SPRAYED OUT ONTO THE BIKE AND/OR > ROAD SURFACE CAUSING THE DRIVER TO LOSE CONTROL AND INCREASE THE > POTENTIAL FOR A VEHICLE ACCIDENT. > > CORRECTIVE ACTION: ALLIEDSIGNAL IS REQUESTING THAT OIL FILTERS BE > RETURNED TO THE DEALER FOR IMMEDIATE CREDIT. FOR FILTERS INSTALLED > BY DEALERS, ALL SERVICE AND REQUIRED PARTS WILL BE PROVIDED FREE OF > CHARGE TO CUSTOMERS. > > NOTE: IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WHEN RETURNING THE FILTERS OR IN > OBTAINING THE NEEDED REPAIR BY YOUR DEALER, PLEASE CONTACT > ALLIEDSIGNAL AT 1-800-465-9041. ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY > TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT > 1-800-424-9393. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This search returned 1 record. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Garth E. Molyneux on contract to: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration U.S. Department of Transportation Washington, D.C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Michael Dube Cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: Re: Fram 6017 motorcycle oil filter recall (fwd) Looks as if they researched for filter #6107 and *not* the correct #6017. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: "Richard A. Hardy" cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: Re: Fram 6017 motorcycle oil filter recall (fwd) On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Richard A. Hardy wrote: > Looks as if they researched for filter #6107 and *not* the correct #6017. In the body of the message the number is correct 6017. Only in the short note to me at the beginning is it referred to as 6107. Anyhow, who was it that originally stated that the filter had been recalled a second time more recently, and what was your source? I think someone said it was their Honda mechanic. I will try to call NTHSA to see if there was a second recall. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 08 Jul 96 22:54:28 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) Content-Id: <19_65_1_836880868> Thanks to Gary for the great carb-sync instructions! (You write very well!) One point -- in its brief instructions, the PC Service Manual shows a hose being clamped off, but you didn't mention that. Is this something that isn't strictly necessary, or did you forget? And the vacuum pump: is this an automotive thing that I can get at any auto parts store? Do I just ask for a vacuum pump? Or is there another term for it or another kind of place to buy one? As for my misc observations, I've finally done a real (although not extensive) test of the Chatterbox tandem intercom (between driver and passenger, not two bikes) that I mentioned buying several months ago. (All right, so I'm going through a dry patch in the girlfriend department, which is why I couldn't test it for months.) The unit worked great on my '89 PC with the tall '90 windshield. Very clear, it was just like having your passenger in you helmet with you. Until I got over about 60 mph. That's when my rider started complaining of distortion and not being able to understand me at all. I heard some distortion from her, but could always hear her well enough to understand her. (Both helmets are Shoei RF-200.) When I tried a solo test (her mike in my helmet, listening on my headsets) I heard the distortion, but always thought I could understand what I was saying. Of course, I always *knew* what I was saying. But maybe my friend doesn't have the best hearing in the world. I think the problem had to do with the amount of airflow over my mike, and that may be improved when I install the Rifle windscreen in a couple of weeks. But below full speed the system worked great. (Of course, it's at full speed that you need it most, so that's a bit of a problem, I grant you.) I didn't try out the audio input for a Walkman. That fancy English system described by one of our Dutch members sounded great, but rather pricey, more than three times the total cost of this one. But mine doesn't have VOX, auto volume increase, auto cutoff (or fade!) of external audio, etc. Anyone had any luck getting that English system in the U.S.? Later, --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 06:12:55 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) jhyder@erols.com wrote: > > Thanks to Gary for the great carb-sync instructions! (You write very well!) > > One point -- in its brief instructions, the PC Service Manual shows a hose > being clamped off, but you didn't mention that. Is this something that > isn't strictly necessary, or did you forget? > > And the vacuum pump: is this an automotive thing that I can get at any auto > parts store? Greetings, The hose that the PC Service Manual shows being pinched is the vacuum hose which is attached to the petcock. The diagram they show is supposed to represent a 2-step process of drawing vacuum with the vacuum pump, then pinching the line and removing the pump. This is actually not necessary as the vacuum pump will hold its' vacuum indefinitely (almost...). I agree that the diagram appears to show two *different* hoses. As for the availability of vacuum pumps, any good automotive store should carry them. The most popular is the "Silverline Mityvac", which J.C. Whitney also carries for about $49. Arrg, time to go to work... gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Jul 96 09:17:41 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Thanks, folks! Many thanks to those of you that have sent messages concerning the positive attributes of the VFR. I still have not decided what to do. I have three options, as I see it... 1. Keep my '90 Pacific Coast. It has been good to me for the past 4+ years and 64,000 miles. Perhaps get some new goodies, such as an RKA tankbag, a new helmet, and an Aerostich Darien jacket and pants. 2. Buy a VFR. 3. Buy another Pacific Coast One of you made an interesting comment...something about gaining instant acceptance from my peers if I ride a VFR, as opposed to ???? quetionable acceptance if I ride a Pacific Coast. That thought never entered my mind, and it will play absolutely no part in what I do. I do not ride to gain acceptance or approval from anyone except myself! Perhaps we'd all be better off if we considred that approach! I love to ride, and my lifelong passion for motorcycling will continue, whether I am riding an Amazonas or a Bultaco. Be careful out there! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:47:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 jhyder@erols.com wrote: > Thanks to Gary for the great carb-sync instructions! (You write very well!) > > One point -- in its brief instructions, the PC Service Manual shows a hose > being clamped off, but you didn't mention that. Is this something that > isn't strictly necessary, or did you forget? > > And the vacuum pump: is this an automotive thing that I can get at any auto > parts store? Do I just ask for a vacuum pump? Or is there another term for > it or another kind of place to buy one? > Not to butt in on Gary's reply, but I've found that the vacuum pump, while convienent, is not necessary. It is simply to keep a vacuum on the fuel valve, which keeps it open for fuel flow. I was successful to "pull a vacuum" with my mouth and then clamped the tube. That's the tube the manual shows clamped. Sears has a nice "Automotive Vacuum Pump" for $40. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 11:04:29 PDT Subject: New Subscriber To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Name: John Louk Location: Carmel, IN 46033 Email: johnl@wvpa.com PC Model Year: 1990 - bought new in '92 Modifications: Corbin seat, trunk mats & bags & lights, anti-scuff kit, front mud flap, SAENG stealth edging & top winglet, "klingon bird of prey" tail wing/spoiler Work phone (with voice mail) (317) 481-2920; FAX (317) 481-2939 Married - spouse unit doesn't ride, though (sigh) Job title: Manager, Technical Support - Wabash Valley Power Experience: 30+ years riding - PC 800 is best cycle yet. Ride to Hoot (3X), Rider Rally (3X), Daytona (once), & Oregon Coast (twice) from Indiana. Will ride to Homecoming this month. Best shine: Cycle Care #3 & #33 I have experienced the dreaded dash meltdown using tall Honda windshield....replaced with stock + SAENG, dealer replaced dash. Indianapolis' Dreyer Cycle is home dealer - good outfit. :-) John ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Tue, 09 Jul 96 14:11:28 PDT Subject: Valkyrie Ride To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi PC'ers: Although my 90 PC has been a trusty ride, I took the opportunity to test ride the Valkyrie at the Hoot last month. I had put dollars down in February to be #6 on my dealer's list and wanted to ride it before buying it. The Valky is all that "they" say about tons-o-torque magnificance. At any speed, in any gear it pulls with awesome force. I pulled my deposit from the dealer. My PC800 is a better bike in every way that counts: handling, economy, comfort....everything but tractor-pulling power. Don't need that. Glad I rode it and glad I don't "need it. John Louk johnl@wvpa.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT) To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Thanks, folks! I do not ride to gain acceptance or >approval from anyone except myself! Perhaps we'd all be better off if we >considred that approach! I love to ride, and my lifelong passion for >motorcycling will continue, whether I am riding an Amazonas or a Bultaco. Well said Dana, Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:44:57 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Used PC800 Prices To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu FYI, in the July issue of Motorcycle Consumer News, they published a listing of the retail values of all street-legal motorcycles from 1981 - 1995. The source of the data is CPI who is noted as the publisher of the AMA Official Motorcycle Value Guide. The prices they list "are for full retail value of a stock motorcycle. This represents a reconditioned or well-maintained vehicle ready to be sold at a dealer or privately between individuals. The value is a national average and may not completely reflect regional trends . . ." Honda Pacific Coast 1989: $3,850 1990: $4,100 1994: $5,200 1995: $5,550 For what it is worth! Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Harrison Spain'" , "'PC800'" Subject: AW: Questions & questions Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:19:45 +-200 Thx for your answers. On the rear shocks answer: I didn't get a toolkit = with the bike (another bad point for the shop I'm afraid). Is the tool = in question a universal tool? Figured I might get one if it is . . . Rob Ramsey ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: AW: Questions & questions Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:21:23 +-200 Thx for your answers, Harrison Spain. On the rear shocks answer: I = didn't get a toolkit with the bike (another bad point for the shop I'm = afraid). Is the tool in question a universal tool? Figured I might get = one if it is . . . Rob Ramsey ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 19:55:37 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Richard A. Hardy" Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Carb Sync (and misc observations...) Richard A. Hardy wrote: > Not to butt in on Gary's reply, but I've found that the vacuum pump, > while convenient, is not necessary. It is simply to keep a vacuum on the > fuel valve, which keeps it open for fuel flow. I was successful to "pull > a vacuum" with my mouth and then clamped the tube. That's the tube the > manual shows clamped. Sears has a nice "Automotive Vacuum Pump" for $40. While your assertion is quite correct in regards to the vacuum petcock, I've found that this is a less than satisfactory method when bleeding brakes and/or clutch fluid. DOT-4 appears to have some inherent incompatibility with the human digestive system ;)... Seriously folks, the brake bleeding function of the vacuum pump saves vast quantities of time when flushing the system. For final bleeding though, I still use the time honored "Squeeze, bleed, close, release, repeat" method. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:56:33 PDT Subject: Good Dealer To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu During the course of the Honda Hoot last month, a Wing rider struck a piece of 4 X 4 lumber lying on the road on the way to Deal's Gap, breaking his front wheel and blowing out his front tire. His HRCA membership got him a tow to the nearest Honda dealer who couldn't/wouldn't help him immediately. He called around and Charlotte Honda said they would help, and did. The owner (on a Saturday!) pulled a new Wing out of the crate, removed the front wheel and mounted the rider's choice of tire and had him back on the road within a couple of hours. That's service! (It wasn't inexpensive, though) Interesting sidenote: the Dunlop Elite tire in the front, although blown, stayed on the broken wheel and allowed the rider to safely pull over without appreciable loss of control! John Louk johnl@wvpa.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 10 Jul 1996 23:58:00 -0500 (CDT) ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:55:58 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:05:36 +0000 From: Dave Gross Subject: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! To: pc800 , "wetleather@onpmomma.isc-br.com" Reply-to: dkgross@halcyon.com wow...customer service..what a concept. short story: bought a 22" shield and base for my Pacific Coast. Rode 2 weeks. Didn't like the 22" and decided to try a 20". During the process of removing the 22, it shattered. Apparently it 'bonded' itself to the rubber mounting tape. Whaaa. Called RIFLE. this is a COMMON problem with PC shields!!!!!! Not only did RIFLE send me a new 22, along with a bag of new screws, but they sent _2_ peices of mounting tape. FREE. And gave me advice on how to install it differently, so that it wouldn't happen again. wow. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html 10 Jul 1996 23:27:39 -0500 (CDT) (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.985.1) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:25:48 -0700 From: Bryce Ulrich Subject: RE: CD Player adapation and Aerostich experience To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'jhyder@erols.com'" Nice setup with the CD Player. I love hearing unique and functional design solutions. I've put it in my save folder for future story telling (or use). \"/ As for the 'stitch you are right about the heat. But then again, everything gets hot that's going to protect you. My method is to wet myself down at gas stops (don't forget your head) and ride on with all vents wide open for air conditioned comfort. Shorts and a T-shirt work well but long cotton pants will hold more water and keep the cool air longer. Unzipping the lower legs and the waist a bit lets more air circulate but still ensures the suit stays on. Of course if summer weather is what you ride then a 'stitch is probably overkill. But think about the extended riding season your 'stitch can provide. Probably an extra 2 months in your neighborhood! My suit has gone as low at 10 degrees (with electric's and polarfleece of course) and lots and lots of time in the rain. If it isn't icy I keep riding. More miles more smiles. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 10 Jul 1996 17:45:41 -0500 (CDT) id SAA28027 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:43:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:43:49 -0400 Subject: Cruise Control To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I bought a plastic wrist rest at Americade. Cost me $8.00!! It looks like a shoe horn. But the handle end has a loop. The loop slips over the grip, near the palm. You have to set it right so that when cruising it is in the right place. It may sound like it would be a pain in trafic but it actualy make it easier. I find I use my palm instead of griping and twisting. It is just as precise and there is a noticable lack of fatiuge. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-07-04 08:53:40 EDT >I would encourage you to find the number for Bob's BMW. It's in the mailing >list archives. Get the throttle control/ wrist rest/ cruise control. Cost's >about $100 for both bar ends in stainless steel. Makes the long rides alot >easier. For a $100 I'll hold your throttle open ;-) I have to take a closer look at that item. It seems real high but you often don't get what you don't pay for. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** 11 Jul 1996 06:32:49 -0500 (CDT) (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.985.1) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:31:52 -0700 From: David Gordon Subject: Crash covers, anyone? To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" OK, the story first: For the first time ever, last night, I decide it's just too d*mn hot to wear a jacket. After all, I've only got a few miles to ride home. I'm wearing a t-shirt, jeans, gloves, and helmet. Off I go. I've got this blind right-hand curve that goes up a bit and then crests at the middle of the curve. No problem, I take this route all the time, I know just how fast to hit the curve. So I'm riding along, feeling good, thinking "Hey, riding without a jacket feels great!" And then I hit the curve. I enter it, no problem, leaning pretty good as I hit the crest, and right there, right where I couldn't see it, right where it's never been before, right where there is no reason to be, is a whole bunch of gravel. Covering the road, about two inches deep (I didn't know how deep it was at the time, but I went back and looked at it). I saw the gravel pretty much at the same time I hit it, still leaned way over. I didn't have any time to react at all. Both tires shot out under me to the left immediately, and down I went. For the first time, ever. Without my jacket. What an idiot. Oh well, I guess I reminded myself of two things I really already knew: Always wear your jacket, and never assume you know what's on the other side of a blind curve. I got a pretty good case of road rash on my right arm, which took most of the impact. After I got the PC upright and out of the road, I went back and looked at the gravel. I could see my tracks, and I could see that I hit the ground almost as soon as I got into the gravel. Looks like I slid about 10 feet or so. In doing so, the pavement tore up both of my right-side crash covers. There's actually a big hole through the front one. Anyone have a used set of crash covers they want to sell? Or know how much these will cost at the Honda dealer? Dave Gordon davidg@microsoft.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 12:24:12 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: rifle service Re: your experience with the shattered rifle: Since I'm about 36 hours from installing my rifle +2, I'm awfully curious to hear about this new advice from rifle on how to avoid your experience. -- dave with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:52:35 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:52:04 -0500 From: JOE STEVE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: davidg@MICROSOFT.com Subject: David Gorden wrecks his PC David, do you feel that all of the plastic bodywork helped protect you in the crash? Do you think you would have been injured more on a "naked" bike without bodywork? Thank goodness your injuries were small! Hopefully your arm will heal soon. Inquiring minds want to know! jrs@wordtech.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: David Gorden wrecks his PC Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:56:36 -0700 I think the standard crash bars saved my leg from being smashed. When the bike went down on the right side it was sliding to the left (to the outside of the curve). The bike slid on those crash covers instead of my leg until it came to a stop. The crash bars also kept anything else on the bike from being damaged. I was amazed that the mirror wasn't scratched or snapped off. I don't know if all the other plastic on the bike did any good, but the crash bars worked great to protect me and the bike. A similar accident on a naked bike without crash bars of some kind could have been much worse. I'm moving a little slow today, but other than that doing just fine. Fortunately, the bleeding has finally stopped. :) David davidg@microsoft.com >---------- >From: JOE STEVE[SMTP:JRS@WORDTECH.COM] >Sent: Thursday, July 11, 1996 9:52 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Cc: David Gordon >Subject: David Gorden wrecks his PC > >David, do you feel that all of the plastic bodywork helped >protect you in the crash? Do you think you would have been >injured more on a "naked" bike without bodywork? > >Thank goodness your injuries were small! Hopefully your >arm will heal soon. > >Inquiring minds want to know! > >jrs@wordtech.com > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:29:14 -0400 To: davidg@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Crash covers, anyone? Dave, Sorry about your mishap but it occurs to me that YOU are the one with the USED crash covers. The real question is does anyone have have any NEW ones. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: RIFLE shield Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:32:08 +-200 I bought & received a RIFLE shield, the tall (24") shield. Living in the = Netherlands (Europe, for all you academics) it took a long time and it = cost me an extra $70. Installing was easy but (oh silly me) I tightened two screws too hard, = cracking the shield. Not too much for further use though . . . Max speed in the Netherlands is 75 mph, however 85 mph is a commonly = used cruising speed. No problem for my PC800. The high screen however = caused an enormous push in my back. The weight on my helmet was quite = unbearable: it was as though I were doing 85 mph backwards! In fact, the = wind coming from behind was so powerful that the back of my head got = quite cold. To make things worse, the top of the shiled was exactly in = my line of view and the high speed made the shield vibrate and shudder. In other words: dissapointment. I desparately neede a smaller shield. = Couldn't send mine back though (cracked, remember) and ordering a new = one would take 3 weeks and cast an additional $35 (on top of it's price = of $70). So I cut it down to size myself: I took off 2 inches. That was = stunningly easy! This is how it's done: 1. Remove the shield. What happened to Dave Gross happened to me: the = rubber tape got damaged. I ignored that and had no more trouble from it. 2. Tape the shield on BOTH sides where it will be cut with wide painting = tape (the paper stuff will do fine). Make it wide enough as it protects = the shield from the jig-saw 3. Draw the line to cut on the tape. I used an ordinary dish-plate for = drawing the rounded top left & right edges. 4. Use a metal or stone saw blade on an electric jig saw and cut the = shield, also cutting both layers of tape. DO THIS OUTDOORS because the = sawing remains are horrible, sticking to anything they touch. 5. Using otdinary sandpaper now smoote the new edge. Make it roud like = te left & right sides of the shield. I left the tape on at first to = protect the shield from my erratic arm movement. 6. The move to fine sandpaper and finalize the edge. I'm told that, by = using house-hold polish, the edge can be made fully transparent! I = didn't do that though . . . 7. Remove tape and you're done! 8. Reinstall the shield. Don't forget to thouroughly vacuum cleand your = garden: the "sawdust" is horrible stuff and shouldn't be left to the = winds. My shield is now PERFECT. Both me and the missus (my duo) are very = please with the silence and the absense of "brainshudder". I look over = the top of the shield while still in the still-air pocket. The = back-pressure on my head is much less, quite acceptable. I guess the = next step is for RIFLE to make an electric shield like on the MMW's? If = you're listening in Gary, think it over. FWIW: Chris (ChrisTUBA@aol.com) in june 11th figured that the talles = shield was the one to go for. As you've guessed I now disagree. Rob Ramsey ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jul 96 20:23:19 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Southern California Ride Hey, gang. The 7th (already?) monthly Southern California ride is set for Saturday July 20th, to beautiful, flammable Idyllwild. After breakfast at the Ruby's in San Juan Capistrano (as usual, be there by 9:00 am to eat or 10:00 am to ride), we will say hello to an old friend - the Ortega Highway, by which we will scale the Santa Ana Mountains. We will continue on route 74, enduring an excruciatingly long stretch through the burgers-and-car-dealerships town of Hemet before reaching the San Jacinto Mountains and Idyllwild. Then it's down the backside by SR-243 into Banning (gateway to Palm Springs) where we will sadly turn back west and high-tail via superslab back to Orange County. Hope to see you all there, despite the short notice. Please e-mail me direct for more info. Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:41:58 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Fork Oil Change Dear PC-800 design team, Would it be inappropriate to request that the individual responsible for designing the front forks sans drain plugs to please fall upon his or her sword? Murphy's' Law of Motorcycle Maintenance: The project you least want to do will be the one that the dealer has all the parts you need to accomplish it... (Yes, the fork cap O-rings were actually in stock, and plenty of fork oil...) Nearly every new bike I've ever owned has had fork oil that looked like unstirred aluminum paint after its' first 1000 miles. This is not unlike the metallic shine you see in the engine oil the first time you change it. This is entirely normal. (Don't tell anyone, but I changed the oil twice during its' first 1000 miles) Not having drain plugs on the forks is like having to change engine oil with a turkey baster... There, I feel better now...(not!) gk for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:05:32 -0600 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:01:41 +0000 Subject: Speakers in helmet All, I know that there are many good intercom systems available for helmets but I am wondering if anyone could recommend a speaker system for the helmet that would plug into a walkman or CD player????? I am going crazy trying to use a walkman and a pair of headphones..... ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews CNA/CNE Novell Certified Netware Engineer 1996 Honda Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" ________________________________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:37:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:50:42 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: David_Freedman@inc.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rifle service dave...unfortunatly, I can't really advise you about the new rifle...Since your base already has the rubber 'tape' mounted to it. The rifle people told me to apply my new tape to the windshield instead of the base. oh....DON"T over tighten the screws that mount the shield to the base! and, make sure you read the instructions carefully about the little plastic are scoopy thing and using it to line up the brackets. one thing I did notice is that the little metal 'bushings' that hold the HONDA screws into the windsheild don't work to well on the Rifle....anyone else notice that?? -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:47:02 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:59:58 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Rob Ramsey Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RIFLE shield hey rob...good idea/story about cutting the sheild. what did you use instead of the rubber mounting tape between your shield and the base??? -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:52:04 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: In defense... Hi all! In defense of myself, I bought the biggest Rifle knowing full well that I could go down in size if I so desired. However, I like the big shield, and the back pressure doesn't affect me that much, although I do feel some cold wind down the neck from time to time. Is anyone aware of what color the '97 PC is going to come in? Had a few great trips from S.E. Wisconsin out to Minneapolis MN and Lansing IA. I know that these 150-300 mile trips are short change for a lot of you, but the PC sure is a great bike for state highways. I'd guess that an ST1100 or GoldWIng would still serve the interstates a little better, although the PC trucks right along with the flow of traffic (75-80 MPH on the 65 MPH roads here in WI). It's also great to hear how the PC survived the crash! L8r, Chris Russell 1996 PC800T, 3,775 mi, Waukesha WI. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:12:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:12:17 -0700 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: In defense... hey.... the longest day I've done is 650 miles...I was tired..the bike wasn't :>) Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:36:42 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:29:45 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: [Fwd: Undeliverable: Re: Crash covers, anyone?] --------------6758129F20F8 Dave, tried to get this to you direct.... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." --------------6758129F20F8 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:38:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Postmaster To: Steve Gross Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Crash covers, anyone? Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:35:55 -0700 Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. To: David Gordon Subject: Re: Crash covers, anyone? Sent: 7/11/96 21:00:39 PM The following recipient(s) could not be reached: David Gordon on 7/11/96 21:35:53 PM One or more arguments in the recipient was detected as being invalid MSEXCH:MSExchangeMTA:northamerica:RED-05-IMC Original Message Follows ======================== --------------6758129F20F8-- Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:20:05 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:20:05 +0100 From: Neville Simmons To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires & Speakers As a UK based PC800 owner I am having difficulty in obtaining the correct profile Metzler rear tire. I should appreciate any guidance on alternatives (size or make). Despite the fact that for some reason Honda never imported the PC800 into the UK there are a few here in use as taxi-bikes! Spares can be got from Honda Europe provided you know the part number and there are aboout three companies that manufacture replacement screens - we do not see Rifle here. On the subject of helmet speakers I have had two such systems - the first cost about $60 and was excellent. The second from Autocom has auto volume, auto switching etc etc and is not as good as the first despite costing nearly 5 times as much - more is not necessarily better! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:10:46 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: In defense... <<<<<That may have been true of Mobil 1/motorcycles in 1976 but I don't think it's >true these days. I'd say Golden Spectro, Honda HP4 or Mobil 1 in my own PC. >I've used all three with GS used the most often. Then there's many who say >any oil of modern day specs with frequent oil changes will be fine. Black >Magic. > >Mobil 1 can be found, on sale, for about half the price of the other two if >price is an object. > >I have been told by Mike Baldwin of GS, formerly AMA F1 champion, that Mobil >has a motorcycle specific oil in Europe because regular Mobil 1 users were >having to replace worn camshafts. > >Roger > > >---------- >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of MDTurley >Sent: Sunday, July 07, 1996 1:17 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Re[2]: New member, planned trip, oil, intercom > >>thanks, bob. look forward to hearing about your longer ride, i >>probably won't be taking my first one until early august, when my wife >>and i head up to the beaches in maine for a weekend. she's not a big >>fan of my kawasaki kz-700, which i'm now selling, but she's taking a >>cautiously indulgent attitude towards the pc, which is all i can ask >>for now, i guess. i've pointed out to her that taking the bike to >>maine means we won't be able to buy a lot of kitchenware in kittery, >>but that didn't seem to faze her. >> >>is mobil 1 generally thought to be a good move for the pc? i'm having >>mine given a tune-up in 2 days at a dealer, not sure what they intend >>to use for oil. >> >>i'm also wondering if there's a way to add earphones, intercom, and >>maybe a portable cd to the radio system. i'm not seeing a headphone >>adapter on the bike anywhere, but the radio owner's manual seems to >>think there should be one, or that there could be one, anyway. >> >>Dave >> >> >> >> >>______________________________ Reply Separator >>_________________________________ >>Subject: Re: New member >>Author: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) at Internet >>Date: 7/6/96 10:17 PM >> >> >>Dave, >> >>Welcome to the group. I found my '89 PC this April with 8800 miles on it. I >>also have the rarified Honda/Kenwood radio which I really enjoy. I wound up >>putting a wanted to buy ad in the Milwaukee, WI paper. Received 5 calls on >>bikes and wound up buying, what I think is, the best deal. I really enjoy >>riding the bike and haven't taken any lengthy trips so far. May take a ride >>next week end with my brother to southern Illinois for a bike race. About >>450 miles. Should be a good test for riding. Will change oil with Mobil 1 >>before I leave. >> >>Hope you have good luck with your bike. Happy and safe riding to you. >> >>Bob >> >> >>-- >>Visit the PC800 web page at >>To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >>message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >>To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > >About Mobil 1: >Although I use it in all my cars, including my old work car (84 Honda >Civic, 170,000 mi) >I don't recomend it for bikes. I used it in my OLD GOLD WING ('76) >forgetting the clutch is a bit weak. The stuff is so slippery that the >clutch slipped badly in 2nd gear. I opt for the Honda Synthetic in both my >bikes. Supposedly it has an additive that is specifically helps the clutch >hook up. I got this info from a Honda rep. at the last US Grand Prix at >Laguna Seca. Who knows? >For what it's worth, MT in MT -- "Murphy was an optimist" > I repeat, I no longer use the Mobil 1 in the 1976 Gold Wing or the PC. ( I still have and drive the Gold Wing. The clutch is still weak and still slips with Mobil 1. With the Honda Syn it will not slip no matter how hard I rev or shift. Maybe the Mobil 1 is too slippery? Maybe that's good? I used the own a service station. I went to classes on lubricants and found out that even chemical engineers have there opinion about oil. They didn't like Pennzoil because it emulsifies badly. But they also said, "maybe that's good". Just shows they don't know everything about oil either. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:28:45 -0500 (CDT) Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: In defense... >Is anyone aware of what color the '97 PC is going to come in? > I have hear (one of those "they say" things") that you can get a 97 any any color you like as long as it is no color. Rumor has it that there will not be a 97 PC. Anyone else hear different? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:55:49 -0400 To: MDTurley@wtp.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 -- Nova Scotia My wife and I are setting off on a trip from CT to Halifax, Nova Scotia, in early August. I know I've seen some PC riders from up that way on this list, and I wonder what advice you'all have for us. What's not to miss in the Halifax environs? Will I be able to wear my leather jacket most of the time -- temperature wise? Thanks so much! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:02:32 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Fork Oil Change Last week I changed the shaft drive oil ('90 with 3000mi) and glad I did. It was pretty dirty. Figured I'd do the forks this weekend but from what I read today it doesn't sound as easy as the shaft. No drain plug? They expect us to turn the bike upside down? I've got a brakeline bleeder vaccuum so I guess I'll put a long hose on it and suck out the fork oil. Any other suggestions? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:58:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! I had a simular experience. And they sent me out a knew one NO CHARGE!. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dkgross@halcyon.com (Dave Gross) Reply-to: dkgross@halcyon.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800), wetleather@onpmomma.isc-br.com (wetleather@onpmomma.isc-br.com) Date: 96-07-11 12:13:03 EDT wow...customer service..what a concept. short story: bought a 22" shield and base for my Pacific Coast. Rode 2 weeks. Didn't like the 22" and decided to try a 20". During the process of removing the 22, it shattered. Apparently it 'bonded' itself to the rubber mounting tape. Whaaa. Called RIFLE. this is a COMMON problem with PC shields!!!!!! Not only did RIFLE send me a new 22, along with a bag of new screws, but they sent _2_ peices of mounting tape. FREE. And gave me advice on how to install it differently, so that it wouldn't happen again. wow. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:01:20 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: In defense... Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > Rumor has it that there will not > be a 97 PC. Anyone else hear different? > > Waldo > I wondered about that. My August Rider magazine has a listing of '97 Honda models, and their respective changes from '96, and the PC is not listed!? (But it also doesn't mention that it has been discontinued, however the Goldwing Interstate is history.) Jeff Leech '94 Honda Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:03:56 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Aerostitch Darien for sale.... Karen Bought a Roadcrafter Suit, & loves it. Selling RED Darien Jacket with RED ballistics, and black belting/venting. Comes with liner jacket. Excellent condition Robert, Have you tried the ear-bud style headsets -- no overhead band, just the little speakers that fit inside the ears? They're inexpensive, simple, better sound quality than speakers outside your ears, and all that I've used for the last decade. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 21:58:39 -0500 From: Deanne Dorsa To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: purchase of pc800 Hello there, I recently purchased a 1990 Pacific Coast with 10,600 miles on it. Even though the guy had dropped it in his garage several times (said it was due to his being short) it appeared he had cared for the mechanical aspect of it. The rims are still pretty glossy, and the body protectors did save the rest of the fairing, which I wasn't sure they would do that or not, but I see now that they do a good job of it. There are a few scratches on some of the body panels, but that is to be expected, even though I don't like it. I have always been real picky about my motorcycles, and like to keep them as new looking as I can. My other motorcycle, which I have had for two years now, is a Suzuki GSX 1100 G, the big standard that didn't sell very well, but I find it works pretty well. I have had a total of 15 bikes in the last 22 years, so you can see that I have been kind of ridiculous about my purchases. By the way, this is my second PC800. I had the white '89 model for about a year back in 1993, and it even had a radio with it. It only had about 1600 miles on it when I got it, so the previous owner sure didn't ride it much. Oh,well, thanks for listening to me ramble on.... I have really enjoyed reading everyone's stories about their PC's. Thanks again. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 22:59:38 +0600 To: garyklim@SNET.Net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fork Oil Change Content-Id: <13_63_1_837226778> Gary, So just how did you accomplish the fork oil change? With a turkey baster? --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:44:28 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Bob Dorman Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Fork Oil Change Bob Dorman wrote: > > Last week I changed the shaft drive oil ('90 with 3000mi) and glad I did. > It was pretty dirty. Figured I'd do the forks this weekend but from what I > read today it doesn't sound as easy as the shaft. No drain plug? They > expect us to turn the bike upside down? I've got a brakeline bleeder > vaccuum so I guess I'll put a long hose on it and suck out the fork oil. > Any other suggestions? Here's a test of faith as to how clean you believe the OEM fork oil is... To change fork oil: 1) Remove front fender/speedometer cable/fender brackets/right caliper. 2) Remove front wheel/left caliper. 3) Oh yeah, remove enough bodywork to allow removal of main fairing (The left/right combination that includes the headlight) 4) Take the horn off while you're at it. 5) Did I mention to jack up the bike prior to wheel removal...oops. 6) Loosen fork pinch bolts on *ONE* side only. (This maintains alignment) 7) Slide fork so that the fork cap is about 3 inches above lower triple clamp. Tighten lower pinch bolts. 8) Now is the time to loosen the fork cap. (Helpful hint: chop a 17 mm Allen hex wrench so that you have approximately 1 1/2" of straight hex. Insert this into the fork cap, attach a 17 mm box end wrench over the hex and loosen cap, but do not remove yet.) 9) Now remove the fork leg. (Helpful hint #2: Buy the Honda oil filter removal tool. When used ass-backwards it makes a wonderful fork cap removal/installation tool for starting the cap by hand as it has a 17 mm hex welded to it.) 10)Dump OEM fork oil. You will need to pump it several times to remove all the fluid. (When no resistance is felt at full extension it is pretty much empty at this point.) BTW, take the springs out first... 11)Collapse fork and put in required amount of oil. Pump several times to remove trapped air. Now collapse fork again and measure height from top of fork to the oil. Fill other fork to this level. This is more accurate than just dumping a given amount and hoping for the best. 12)Put springs back in, put new O-ring on cap, use nifty oil filter tool to start caps. Final torque cap. See step #7. Complete installation of fork leg. Now do the other one. 13)Reassemble the cubic mile of parts you've removed, then drink vast quantities of beer (Or beverage of your choice...) 14)What's that you say? You can get the forks off without all the bodywork having to come off? But can you get a torque wrench at those six pinch bolts? I won't trust my safety to "That feels tight enough..." BTW, the OEM oil after 1000 miles was surprisingly clean. Unless I blow a fork seal someday, this is the first and *LAST* fork oil change... Sorry for the long winded details, but I though you'd like to know... gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:04:22 -0400 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! I had my dealer order a 22 inch shield from Rifle. I am 6 feet tall, so it shoud be the correct size. I will be riding courier service and parade duty for Olympics in Atlanta until Aug 5. It should be in my than, and ready to install. I will give everyone a report. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 07:49:38 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fork Oil Change In a message dated 96-07-11 22:52:29 EDT, garyklim@SNET.Net (Gary E. Klim) writes: << Would it be inappropriate to request that the individual responsible for designing the front forks sans drain plugs to please fall upon his or her sword? >> Gary, That's much too summary an end for this individual (or the members of the team responsible). Crucifixtion would be more appropriate (assuming that they are males)... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Jul 96 10:55:52 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: New...old...decals A change that I made to my Pacific Coast some time ago may be of interest to some of you. I did not care for the HONDA decals on the fairing, so, using a hair dryer, I softened and removed them. Then I ordered some ST1100 gas tank (winged Honda) decals, and applied them to my dummy gas tank. They look much better, in my opinion. In addition, I ordered a "Pacific Coast" decal like the ones on the luggage compartment sides, and applied it in the middle of the back trunk area, near the bottom. BTW, the Ventura ST1100 headlight cover works well on the PC. The extra height (1/2") I left at the bottom, lining up the top and sides before fastening the velcro tabs. That shields the bottom of the fairing below the headlight, and highlights the Ventura name on the shield. Looks good, and protects the headlight from breakage by flying rocks or other debris. Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Jul 96 11:22:14 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Non-abrasive cleaner Someone mentioned having some discoloration on alloy rims, and wondered what would be an effective cleaner. I like to use Brasso, which is a non-abrasive liquid. It may not remove all types of corrosion, but it works on most types, and will not scratch your rims. I have used SImichrome on chrome, but it is mildly abrasive, therefore I would not use it on my rims. Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:32:30 -0400 To: rmathews@us1.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speakers in helmet I have a pair of BasMonster speakers in my helmet. As long as you have a larger than the standard fairing I highly recomend them. I paid about $25 mail order. Saw an add in a bike mag. In my RF-200 (crappy helmet) I had to remove some foam, but if you take your time its easy. It has about 4 inches of cord hanging out of my helmet with a walkman type plug. They came with a 5 foot coiled cord that reaches my walkman that I have strapped to the left handlebar. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 11:34:39 -0400 To: FF731@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Cruise Control I know your gonna be pissed. I can't remember the name. I was hoping someone else on the list would. I got it at Americade. But, I will bet that they are sold at almost any cycle show. Also, I would try calling all the shops/dealers you can find in the phonebook. Someone must know. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PC800: Cruise Control ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-07-12 23:31:09 EDT From: FF731 To: Klass C Chris, Who makes that expensive wrist rest? It sounds perfect for my budget. Frank 96' PC800 HSTA # 6984 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 14:08:13 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speakers in helmet KlassC@aol.com wrote: >... In my RF-200 (crappy helmet) ... What's crappy about the RF200? -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:50:36 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Speakers in helmet OK,OK it is not a "bad" helmet. But it puts too much presure on the forhead. Also, have you ever tried an Arai? WOW! Those are comfortable. But, yes, I know very expensive. Also many other models are much lighter. In the end though I will say that for the price it is a good helmet. My lusting for an Arai (that I can't afford now) has made me shun all others :-) Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rogersk@eden.com (Keith W Rogers) Reply-to: rogersk@eden.com To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-07-13 15:10:02 EDT KlassC@aol.com wrote: >... In my RF-200 (crappy helmet) ... What's crappy about the RF200? -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:52:38 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cig Lighter I am thinking of adding one to power my walkman. Any sugestions on where to mount it and what brand? I do not want it in plain sight. Also, whats the best way to wire it in? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:02:29 -0500 From: Deanne Dorsa To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Battery Life I recently purchased a 1990 PC800 with 10,600 miles on it, and according to the previous owner, the battery is original, and he purchased the bike new in October of 1992. That makes the battery about 3 years and 8 months old. Should I be concerned enough to purchase a new battery before it is too late? It seems to crank over just fine for right now, but I have read stories about how it will give no warning before it dies. Would appreciate any info. on this subject. Have really been having fun with the bike this past week. Also, is there any way that broken tabs on the body panels can be fixed? Thanks for all your help. Jim Mangum 1990 PC800 Houston, TX. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:10:26 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Non-abrasive cleaner try Mother's Aluminum Polish Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:13:47 -0400 To: buster@hic.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Battery Life There is no "spontaneous dead battery problem". Your refering to stator troubles. Just keep riding and keep the wheels down. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:11:33 -0400 To: KlassC@aol.com, FF731@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cruise Control The best one is from Bob's BMW in Maryland. Stainless steel, looks cool, works great Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 20:11:36 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Deanne_Dorsa)_buster@hic.net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Battery Life ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/13/96 20:12 ## I bought my 1990 in March 1992 and after 104500 miles it seems fine and the Battery Tender goes green after only a few seconds. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Deanne Dorsa) buster@hic.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/13/96 16:02 ## I recently purchased a 1990 PC800 with 10,600 miles on it, and according to the previous owner, the battery is original, and he purchased the bike new in October of 1992. That makes the battery about 3 years and 8 months old. Should I be concerned enough to purchase a new battery before it is too late? It seems to crank over just fine for right now, but I have read stories about how it will give no warning before it dies. Would appreciate any info. on this subject. Have really been having fun with the bike this past week. Also, is there any way that broken tabs on the body panels can be fixed? Thanks for all your help. Jim Mangum 1990 PC800 Houston, TX. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 20:17:10 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Fwd: Re: Speakers in helmet ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/13/96 20:18 ## Sounds like you have an "Arai" head as opposed to a "Shoei" head. My wife, on our HSAT/STAR trip had a terrible time with her new RF700 after many years with no problems with a Shoei GRV. The GRV was the predecessor of the X8. I just took the back end of a ball peen hammer and compressed enough to relieve the pressure spot. Arai's may be comfortable but they don't make easy eyeglass accomodation. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/13/96 16:50 ## OK,OK it is not a "bad" helmet. But it puts too much presure on the forhead. Also, have you ever tried an Arai? WOW! Those are comfortable. But, yes, I know very expensive. Also many other models are much lighter. In the end though I will say that for the price it is a good helmet. My lusting for an Arai (that I can't afford now) has made me shun all others :-) Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rogersk@eden.com (Keith W Rogers) Reply-to: rogersk@eden.com To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-07-13 15:10:02 EDT KlassC@aol.com wrote: >... In my RF-200 (crappy helmet) ... What's crappy about the RF200? -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 23:15:00 +0600 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cig Lighter Content-Id: <15_64_1_837314100> Chris, Here's how I did it. Radio Shack has an inexpensive unit that can be mounted in a panel or under a car's dash with a plastic bracket supplied. It also has a snap on cover to keep water out when not in use. I decided to place it in the bottom of the left hand fairing pocket, although the front or back vertical sides of the pocket would be okay alternatives. I used my trusty Dremel Moto-tool to make a hole that matched the template, snapped the lighter adapter in and wired it up. For the hot lead, I tapped into the red/black wire coming out of the fuse box (conveniently located nearby), adding my own additional 3A fuse (of the same type as used on the bike). I taped the fuse holder to the bike's fuse box for convenience. The ground side of the adapter I wired to the green lead from the regulator rectifier (it's that little black plastic box with three yellow wires, a Red/white, and a green wire coming out of it). The whole job took me about 45 minutes. This has worked fine for me for the last few months. When you plug your walkman's adapter in, you can still close the cover door on the wire without problems. Good luck, --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Dave Gross'" , "'PC800'" Subject: AW: RIFLE shield Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:29:20 +-200 I reused the tape, damaged & all. To be quite honest, the tape wasn't = damaged badly. Just around the nylon screws som of the shiny top-layer = of the tape came off. So far, it just works fine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:48:38 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: John Deere parts AS PC CIG LITER :] Tom Barrett wrote: > > Thanks Greg. > > Tom > > >Tom, et al > > > The > >prices in the U S are as stated below by vknox@freenet.vcu.edu (Victor Knox) > > > >My Colorado JD dealer said that if all goes well he will take phone orders > >for them from our > >list. He took my Visa and will mail or UPS to me. I told him there may be > >10 to 20 people > >interested if they are/look high quality. > > > >I'll post their number after I receive mine, I may have a couple left > >over. He said most dealers > >do not carry more than 2 sets in stock so there is a 4 to 5 day ordering > >time from John Deere > >central distrtibution sites. > > > >>The accessory plug and socket part numbers are as follows >RE11344 is > >> for the plug and list for $6.65 US; >AL25073 is for the socket and list > >> for $3.43 US. >I have two of the sockets on my 95 ST and they are > >> >compatable with the BMW parts and much cheaper. I use one for >the BMW > >> heated vest and one for the Farnam heated handgrip >covers. > >-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Jul 96 11:31:49 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Decisions...decisions...decisions Lilfe is full of decisions...and sometimes making them ain't easy! And...to make no decision at all is to make a decision...one of inactivity! Anyway, you know that I've been giving a lot of thought to getting a new toy. My choices would be (in no particular order) a new PC, a VFR, or (if I won the lottery) an ST-1100. Another choice...one that seems to be winning at the moment...is to keep my '90 Pacific Coast. It has served me well, and is continuing to do so... It looks fabulous...like showroon new... I've treated it with extreme care, and it has rewarded me by continuing to run like a clock (like my Honda wrist watch?) So..I may just continue to enjoy it, but get some new gear. In that respect, I'd like to hear from folks who have the new Aerostich Darien jacket and pants. I have been wearing a two-piece Roadcrafter suit for several years, but really like the looks and flexibility of the Darien... I think that I'd look spectacular on my red PC with a red Darien jacket and black pants... To those of you that sent me messages about the VFR, thanks! I'll remember each and every word that you wrote! And...I'll keep you folks posted when (and if) I do get a new toy! Thanks again...be real careful out there... Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Jul 96 15:57:11 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Reply to: Fwd: Re: Speakers in helmet Not to completely muddy the waters here, but I've found I must have an "AGV head" as the my AGV is the best helmet I've ever worn. It's very quiet, comfortable, the fit is perfect (it's a large, I usually wear a medium). The speakers for my Chatterbox installed easily with no foam cutting and are completely invisible, both visually and in the fit. Best helmet I've ever owned, would I buy another? No question. Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Sun Jul 14 15:20:10 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 16:10:59 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: hi-end chatterbox Anybody have any experience with the Chatterbox HJC-90? Unlike the less expensive Chatterbox intercom, the HJC-90 is a bike-to-bike radio system that also has an intercom hookup. It also has a stereo jack for CD etc., and what the dealer assures me are high-quality stereo headphone speakers that velcro into the helmet. I paid $179 for the basic unit (driver only), plus another $35 for a passenger headphone/microphone set and an extension cord--everything i need for a driver/passenger intercom and stereo (minus the CD or tape player, of course). But I can't get the intercom (my biggest interest) to work right. I'm getting random bursts of ear-splitting static from what seems to be some sort of short-circuit in the antenna. And the intercom is kind of buzzy. I haven't tried the music and radio features yet, but there's not much point if I can't solve the other 2 problems. I wonder if I have a bad unit, or if the thing is just a piece of junk. (I've played with the VOX and volume controls, no effect on these particular problems.) -- Dave David Freedman '90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 16:51:51 +0600 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: hi-end chatterbox Content-Id: <21_76_1_837377511> David, This is not an answer to your problem, but a point about Chatterbox products. I don't know about Chatterbox's bike-to-bike unit, but their small driver-to-passenger intercom system has an audio input for CD/cassette, but the headsets are NOT stereo! If your headset has a 3-conductor (tip, ring, sleeve) mini-plug, like most ordinary stereo headsets, it's mono, because one of those conductors is the mike, the other the speakers, and the third the ground. If you have the DIN multi-pin connector that some of their products use, your headsets are probably stereo. --James Hyder ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:09:57 -0700 (MST) To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: hi-end chatterbox Dave, I had the older model of the one you just purchased (until a few months ago when some kids broke into my storage shed and stole it -- but that's another story). The salient difference between the unit you've purchased and the one I had is that the one you've purchased has two (2) channels (as opposed to the single channel on the earlier version) and it utilizes a DIN connector for the mic/headset units (instead of a three-conductor mini phone plug, as before). Except for the two differences above, the new unit is virtually identical to the older model -- including the problem you're experiencing. The Chatterbox is an excellent device -- perhaps the best of its type. After testing several units, I was impressed with the way the unit performed at highway speeds and how well it squelched-out wind and road noises but picked-up voice in VOX mode. It has a very quick "turnaround" circuit in VOX mode so that "first syllable clipping" is kept to a minimum. But it has always had a little problem with adjascent or enharmonic signal image rejection. What you're probably experiencing is a signal from some other transmitting device that is simply overmodulated and very (geographically) near you, or adjascent (to your Chatterbox frequency) (and possibly also overmodulated) and very (geographically) near you or just enharmonic (with the Chatterbox frequency) and relatively (geographically) near you. That's the biggest reason that Chatterbox added the second channel (in addition to allowing couples on one bike to have a private chat that others traveling with them on other bikes can't hear), so you could switch to the second channel when this sort of thing happens. (Of course, you may also be simply experiencing a defective unit or one with a short in the DIN connector or, as you suspect, the antenna, as well. But from your description, it sounds like simple radio noise, as I've described above.) The switch to the DIN connector is a real SNAFU in my opinion, and particularly irritating to me. In addition to introducing into the mix a marginally statistically more failure-prone connector type (than the earlir mini phone jack), it effectively eliminates the possibility that one may use a simple coiled stereo headphone extension cord between the helmet and the transceiver unit. But I can get past this irritation because I know how to retrofit DIN connectors onto a standard coiled stereo headphone extension cable. It's just a little more work. It's true that the speakers are high quality. But you'll find that by being outside of the ear, the fullness of the bass and lower midrange will drop off markedly at speed with road noise and the wind blowing. For me, part of the solution to this problem was replacing my Shoei RF-200's with a pair of RF-700s -- perhaps the most astonishingly quiet helmet on the market today. High quality "ear-bud" type (in the ear) speakers will allow you to hear the lower midrange and bass to higher speeds, but the bottom line is that there's some loss at highway speeds just about no matter what you do. Assuming Chatterbox has not changed the basic electronics in the new unit, one of the things that may irritate you is that when you plug a Walkman or something of that type into it, you can't seem to get the volume from the music that you might like. This is a safety feature built-in to the unit and based on the belief that music shouldn't be very loud so that you can hear car horns, sirens and other warning signals. (Last season I had promised myself that, before THIS season began, I would open mine up, find the appropriate trim turn on the circuit board and try to crank it up a bit. But, alas, it was stolen from me before I could get to it.) I ended up just wearing the Walkman earbuds in my ears, connected directly to the Walkman, for music. I then just let the helmet-mounted speakers handle the intercom functions. Even with the earbuds in place, you can still hear the Chatterbox. But unfortunately you have to turn down the volume on the Walkman to have any more than a simple word or two of conversation. Basically, the Chatterbox handles that problem by muting music whenever either party talks. But, as I said, the music (in my opinion) isn't loud enough, so I just do it manually by having, effectively, two systems. Finally, just a tip: It's a lot of trouble, but (assuming you have a fullface helmet) you'll like putting-on and taking-off your helmet more if you remove the liner from your helmet, painstakingly carve-out little impressions for the speakers, use a tiny bit of clear or black silicon to hold them in and then put it all back together again. This will hide the speakers beneath the cloth liner that rests against your skin. And it doesn't compromise the impact absorption abilities of the helmet. Also, while the liner's out, cut a tiny indentation in the foam right in front of your mouth and recess the mic (effectively making the whole thing a permanent mounting). When you're not using it, just tuck the 6-inches or so of wire that hangs down between the foam and the fiberglass along the left/back part of the helmet. It works great! Well, that's it. I've now exhausted my entire knowledge base regarding the Chatterbox. Hope it helps. Regards, Gregg DesElms --------------------------- Reply Separator ----------------------------- At 04:10 PM 7/14/96 EST, David_Freedman@inc.com wrote: >Anybody have any experience with the Chatterbox HJC-90? Unlike the >less expensive Chatterbox intercom, the HJC-90 is a bike-to-bike radio >system that also has an intercom hookup. It also has a stereo jack >for CD etc., and what the dealer assures me are high-quality stereo >headphone speakers that velcro into the helmet. I paid $179 for the >basic unit (driver only), plus another $35 for a passenger >headphone/microphone set and an extension cord--everything i need for >a driver/passenger intercom and stereo (minus the CD or tape player, >of course). > >But I can't get the intercom (my biggest interest) to work right. I'm >getting random bursts of ear-splitting static from what seems to be >some sort of short-circuit in the antenna. And the intercom is kind >of buzzy. I haven't tried the music and radio features yet, but >there's not much point if I can't solve the other 2 problems. I >wonder if I have a bad unit, or if the thing is just a piece of junk. >(I've played with the VOX and volume controls, no effect on these >particular problems.) > >David Freedman >'90 PC800 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:36:55 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! KlassC@aol.com wrote: > > I had a simular experience. And they sent me out a knew one NO CHARGE!. > > wow...customer service..what a concept. > > short story: > > bought a 22" shield and base for my Pacific Coast. Rode 2 weeks. > Didn't like the 22" and decided to try a 20". During the process of > removing the 22, it shattered. Apparently it 'bonded' itself to the > rubber mounting tape. Whaaa. > > Called RIFLE. this is a COMMON problem with PC shields!!!!!! > > Not only did RIFLE send me a new 22, along with a bag of new screws, but > they sent _2_ peices of mounting tape. FREE. And gave me advice on how > to install it differently, so that it wouldn't happen again. > A few weeks ago, my Rifle 24" windshield shattered. I was trying to remove it so I could paint the base Pearl White. I called Rifle and told them the foam tape is a bad design and it was impossible to seperate the windshield from the base. Did I get a free windshield???? NO. To top it off, I ordered it on a Wednesday and waited until the next Thursday for windshield, nothing. Called Rifle and was told it shipped that day. SIX DAYS to put a windshield in a box and mail it. Ridiculous. My 4th of July weekend was almost ruined, I received it on the 3rd. In my opinion, RIFLE = bad service. Steve Carr '89 PC P.S. - I installed the new shield WITHOUT foam tape, MUCH better and more stabile in the wind. Also, a much less chance of cracking the windshield. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 21:27:44 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, fastcarr@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! Leaving out the foam tape seems like a simple (meaning great) potential solution to the problem everyone seems to be having with shattered rifle shields. Anyone see any downside to it? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! Author: fastcarr@ix.netcom.com at Internet Date: 7/14/96 8:41 PM I installed the new shield WITHOUT foam tape, MUCH better and more stabile in the wind. Also, a much less chance of cracking the windshield. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:56:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:56:01 -0700 To: fastcarr@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! hey steve...sorry to hear about your problems with RIFLE...mine were just the opposite. you mentioned that you installed your sheild without the rubber tape...does it rattle?? how about leaking??? report, please!! My new one arrives in a day or so... dave gross Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:03:58 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Final Thoughts On Fork Oil The only benefit I thought I would reap from changing fork oil was peace of mind knowing that I had removed the initial break-in sludge. Well, I'm happy to report that front end compliance is noticeably better. Is it possible that Honda found some leftover crates of fish oil that used to be the "Fork oil du jour" back in the 60's and 70's? I used Spectro 10w fork oil and did not really expect any improvement in ride quality. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:24:13 -0500 From: Deanne Dorsa To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Battery Life Roger, Thank you for your response to my battery question. You are a real traveler! How do you put over 25,000 miles a year on a motorcycle? Is it your primary mode of transportation? Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:25:49 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: RIFLE SERVICE!!!! David Gross wrote: > > hey steve...sorry to hear about your problems with RIFLE...mine were just > the opposite. > > you mentioned that you installed your sheild without the rubber tape...does > it rattle?? how about leaking??? > > report, please!! My new one arrives in a day or so... > > dave gross > > Dave Gross > Seattle,WA No rattling and no leaks that I can see. I also "blueprinted" my base to fit the windshield better. I lined up the bottom of the windshield with the lip on the base and drilled new holes (in the base). It's easy to do, and the extra holes don't show. It does, however, help to have one person hold the windshield and the another to mark the new holes. I used to have about a 1/2" gap and it was slightly crooked, now it fits perfectly. I think this also makes it more stable. Since July 4th, I have completed two long distance trips, one to Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada and one to Traverse City, MI. A total of about 1000 miles. Speeds were up to 110 mph (sorry, had to be honest). The only difference I see is that my 24" windshield doesn't flutter in the wind anywhere near as much as it used to. The windshield and base both have some give, so I don't understand why the need for foam tape. Steve Carr '89 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:35:03 -0500 From: Deanne Dorsa To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fork Oil Gary, I really admire you for taking on the task of disassembling the bike's front end, changing the fork oil, and knowing how to keep track of every nut and bolt, and getting them back in their respective places, and not breaking off any tabs anywhere, am I right? Congratulations to you and all others who are not intimidated, as I am, to do those sort of things. I don't mind taking my motorcycles into the shop for repair, but what I don't like is that you never know what condition it will be in when you get it back. I've had more than a scratch or two showing when I got them back. James Mangum Hou. Tx. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 96 21:36:57 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re[2]: hi-end chatterbox Thanks for an amazingly thorough and helpful analysis, Gregg. I'll try the 'box under a lot of different conditions to assess the effect of other radio signals. One reason I'm a little skeptical is that the interference occurs on the intercom-only channel, where you'd think radio interference would be cut out (because the radio is cut out). But that may not be the case. Also, the static seems to come and go when I touch the antenna--but that may be just because my body may be acting as an antenna booster, increasing the chances of picking up a stray signal. So maybe that's it after all. I'll do some testing and let you know. Your helmet liner cutout tips sound exactly right, the velcro wasn't doing it for me in my shoei. By the way, what's the best price going these days on the RF-700? I saw them going for $279 at my local dealer. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: hi-end chatterbox Author: "Gregg L. DesElms" at Internet Date: 7/14/96 5:10 PM Dave, I had the older model of the one you just purchased (until a few months ago when some kids broke into my storage shed and stole it -- but that's another story). The salient difference between the unit you've purchased and the one I had is that the one you've purchased has two (2) channels (as opposed to the single channel on the earlier version) and it utilizes a DIN connector for the mic/headset units (instead of a three-conductor mini phone plug, as before). Except for the two differences above, the new unit is virtually identical to the older model -- including the problem you're experiencing. The Chatterbox is an excellent device -- perhaps the best of its type. After testing several units, I was impressed with the way the unit performed at highway speeds and how well it squelched-out wind and road noises but picked-up voice in VOX mode. It has a very quick "turnaround" circuit in VOX mode so that "first syllable clipping" is kept to a minimum. But it has always had a little problem with adjascent or enharmonic signal image rejection. What you're probably experiencing is a signal from some other transmitting device that is simply overmodulated and very (geographically) near you, or adjascent (to your Chatterbox frequency) (and possibly also overmodulated) and very (geographically) near you or just enharmonic (with the Chatterbox frequency) and relatively (geographically) near you. That's the biggest reason that Chatterbox added the second channel (in addition to allowing couples on one bike to have a private chat that others traveling with them on other bikes can't hear), so you could switch to the second channel when this sort of thing happens. (Of course, you may also be simply experiencing a defective unit or one with a short in the DIN connector or, as you suspect, the antenna, as well. But from your description, it sounds like simple radio noise, as I've described above.) The switch to the DIN connector is a real SNAFU in my opinion, and particularly irritating to me. In addition to introducing into the mix a marginally statistically more failure-prone connector type (than the earlir mini phone jack), it effectively eliminates the possibility that one may use a simple coiled stereo headphone extension cord between the helmet and the transceiver unit. But I can get past this irritation because I know how to retrofit DIN connectors onto a standard coiled stereo headphone extension cable. It's just a little more work. It's true that the speakers are high quality. But you'll find that by being outside of the ear, the fullness of the bass and lower midrange will drop off markedly at speed with road noise and the wind blowing. For me, part of the solution to this problem was replacing my Shoei RF-200's with a pair of RF-700s -- perhaps the most astonishingly quiet helmet on the market today. High quality "ear-bud" type (in the ear) speakers will allow you to hear the lower midrange and bass to higher speeds, but the bottom line is that there's some loss at highway speeds just about no matter what you do. Assuming Chatterbox has not changed the basic electronics in the new unit, one of the things that may irritate you is that when you plug a Walkman or something of that type into it, you can't seem to get the volume from the music that you might like. This is a safety feature built-in to the unit and based on the belief that music shouldn't be very loud so that you can hear car horns, sirens and other warning signals. (Last season I had promised myself that, before THIS season began, I would open mine up, find the appropriate trim turn on the circuit board and try to crank it up a bit. But, alas, it was stolen from me before I could get to it.) I ended up just wearing the Walkman earbuds in my ears, connected directly to the Walkman, for music. I then just let the helmet-mounted speakers handle the intercom functions. Even with the earbuds in place, you can still hear the Chatterbox. But unfortunately you have to turn down the volume on the Walkman to have any more than a simple word or two of conversation. Basically, the Chatterbox handles that problem by muting music whenever either party talks. But, as I said, the music (in my opinion) isn't loud enough, so I just do it manually by having, effectively, two systems. Finally, just a tip: It's a lot of trouble, but (assuming you have a fullface helmet) you'll like putting-on and taking-off your helmet more if you remove the liner from your helmet, painstakingly carve-out little impressions for the speakers, use a tiny bit of clear or black silicon to hold them in and then put it all back together again. This will hide the speakers beneath the cloth liner that rests against your skin. And it doesn't compromise the impact absorption abilities of the helmet. Also, while the liner's out, cut a tiny indentation in the foam right in front of your mouth and recess the mic (effectively making the whole thing a permanent mounting). When you're not using it, just tuck the 6-inches or so of wire that hangs down between the foam and the fiberglass along the left/back part of the helmet. It works great! Well, that's it. I've now exhausted my entire knowledge base regarding the Chatterbox. Hope it helps. Regards, Gregg DesElms --------------------------- Reply Separator ----------------------------- At 04:10 PM 7/14/96 EST, David_Freedman@inc.com wrote: >Anybody have any experience with the Chatterbox HJC-90? Unlike the >less expensive Chatterbox intercom, the HJC-90 is a bike-to-bike radio >system that also has an intercom hookup. It also has a stereo jack >for CD etc., and what the dealer assures me are high-quality stereo >headphone speakers that velcro into the helmet. I paid $179 for the >basic unit (driver only), plus another $35 for a passenger >headphone/microphone set and an extension cord--everything i need for >a driver/passenger intercom and stereo (minus the CD or tape player, >of course). > >But I can't get the intercom (my biggest interest) to work right. I'm >getting random bursts of ear-splitting static from what seems to be >some sort of short-circuit in the antenna. And the intercom is kind >of buzzy. I haven't tried the music and radio features yet, but >there's not much point if I can't solve the other 2 problems. I >wonder if I have a bad unit, or if the thing is just a piece of junk. >(I've played with the VOX and volume controls, no effect on these >particular problems.) > >David Freedman >'90 PC800 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:38:19 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Nova Scotia Norskar writes: >My wife and I are setting off on a trip from CT to Halifax, Nova Scotia, in >early August. I know I've seen some PC riders from up that way on this list, >and I wonder what advice you'all have for us. First of y'all, Canadian English does not unfortunately have a pronoun of the form "Second Person Plural." But we usually make out OK with a little crib sheet for translations: ObJoke ~~~~~~ Southern Belle: Where y'aawll frooooomm? Bostonian snob: I'm from a place where we don't end our sentences with prepositions. Southern Belle: Oh. Where y'all from, biiiiiitch? There are a few standard things to see in NS. If y'all're [??] taking the Portland or Bah Haba ferry over, both the drive up the Annapolis Valley (#1/#101) and the South Shore (#3/#103) drive are quite nice; if you're doing the former for sure stop in the town of Annapolis, it's pretty amazing, and Wolfville too. Single digit roads are old and twisty with no trucks, their hundred-series equivalents are similar to Interstates. There's lots to see in Halifax itself; Peggy's Cove is the classic tourist destination, about half an hour out of the city. If you haven't seen it already, Louisburg is a world-class historic recreation, and a lot of fun too; you may want to integrate it into a ride around the Cabot Trail, which on a motorcycle has been described as the biggest roller coaster in the world. From Halifax, you'd want about three days to do Louisburg plus the Trail, you could do do the Trail by itself in two days. >From Halifax, the drive out the #7 to is amazing on the bike, and ends at Sherbrook Village, another historic recreation. >Will I be able to wear my leather jacket most of the time >-- temperature wise? You'll probably want it with you. There are not many days when it would be uncomfortably hot- the weather's similar to coastal Maine. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:43:29 -0700 (MST) To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Re[2]: hi-end chatterbox At 09:36 PM 7/14/96 EST, David_Freedman@inc.com wrote: >Thanks for an amazingly thorough and helpful analysis, Gregg. I'll >try the 'box under a lot of different conditions to assess the effect >of other radio signals. One reason I'm a little skeptical is that the >interference occurs on the intercom-only channel, where you'd think >radio interference would be cut out (because the radio is cut out). >But that may not be the case. Also, the static seems to come and go >when I touch the antenna--but that may be just because my body may be >acting as an antenna booster, increasing the chances of picking up a >stray signal. So maybe that's it after all. I'll do some testing and >let you know. > It doesn't matter whether you're in "intercom" or "transceiver" mode. The radio transceiver is working all the time, whenever the unit is turned on. That's why touching the antenna affects the static sound. It's always receiving, no matter what. That way you and your rider can be plugged-in and "intercomming" while the both of you can speak to another person(s) on another bike. Whatever you say while "intercomming" can be heard by anyone with another Chatterbox switched to that channel. Again, that's one of the reasons why a second channel has been added -- so when you and your rider are traveling with a group, the group can agree to be on one channel and whenever anyone in the group wishes to "intercom" privately (driver to rider and vice versa), the need only momentarily switch to the second channel. >Your helmet liner cutout tips sound exactly right, the velcro wasn't >doing it for me in my shoei. By the way, what's the best price going >these days on the RF-700? I saw them going for $279 at my local >dealer. > I've seen them at dealers in the Chicago area for from $199 to $240. I think I remember seeing a price of around $189 in a magazine a while back, but don't hold me to that. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fork Oil Change > That's much too summary an end for this individual (or the members of the > team responsible). Crucifixtion would be more appropriate (assuming that > they are males)... > I think you mean *castration* > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'David_Freedman@inc.com'" Subject: RE: hi-end chatterbox Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:11:26 -0700 I bought a Chatterbox and HJC helmet about 2 years ago. It was version 1 of the 'Box, with only one channel, and a battery box that required 8 (count 'em) AA batteries. After about a year, it was giving me more problems and my dealer arranged with HJC to replace the ver 1 with ver 2 for about $20, the difference in the retail prices. Ver 2 is considerably better, with two channels plus intercom, a rechargeable ni-cad built in. The HJC helmet has speaker pockets just the right size for the 'Box speakers! In all, a good investment. The mic sticks to the chin bar of the full-face helmet, which is a little crowded with my protruding chin, but I've gotten used to it. The Shadow Riders club here uses 'Boxes a lot, and they are the first group I've ever really gotten to chat with while riding. I substituted some of Radio Shack's super velcro to hold the 'Box in place instead of their clamp... For about $5, it isn't really VELCRO, but two strips of plastic hooks which the Shack advertises as a way to mount equipment. It is removable, but only barely... I'll be buying another 'Box in a month or so, as the wife just got her own ride! Welcome aboard with a slightly banged up and recently repossessed '86 Honda Elite 250 scooter. 7500 miles, good mechanically, but a bit of missing or broken plastic. Popcorn is just a way to get your system filled with grease and salt. But without the popcorn it just isn't the same. >---------- >From: David_Freedman@inc.com[SMTP:David_Freedman@inc.com] >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 1996 4:10 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: hi-end chatterbox > >Anybody have any experience with the Chatterbox HJC-90? Unlike the >less expensive Chatterbox intercom, the HJC-90 is a bike-to-bike radio >system that also has an intercom hookup. It also has a stereo jack >for CD etc., and what the dealer assures me are high-quality stereo >headphone speakers that velcro into the helmet. I paid $179 for the >basic unit (driver only), plus another $35 for a passenger >headphone/microphone set and an extension cord--everything i need for >a driver/passenger intercom and stereo (minus the CD or tape player, >of course). > >But I can't get the intercom (my biggest interest) to work right. I'm >getting random bursts of ear-splitting static from what seems to be >some sort of short-circuit in the antenna. And the intercom is kind >of buzzy. I haven't tried the music and radio features yet, but >there's not much point if I can't solve the other 2 problems. I >wonder if I have a bad unit, or if the thing is just a piece of junk. >(I've played with the VOX and volume controls, no effect on these >particular problems.) > >-- Dave > >David Freedman >'90 PC800 > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > with BSMTP id 4295; Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:19:30 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:15:17 EDT From: "Mike DiTullio Lockheed Martin 609-272-2088" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: any seats for sale / exhaust systems A guy I work with, who lacks internet access, is interested in a Corbin seat if anyone has one for sale. Also, since he is a harley owner, he'd like another exhaust system. Something with more "character." If anyone has a lead on either of these matters, please e-mail me directly. Thanks... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |michael.ditullio@lmco.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@ix.netcom.com |Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 STOC# 105 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:20:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: afn05166@afn.org (Bob Peterson) Subject: Purchase I have a chance to purchase a 1989 PC800 with less than 1800 mi. This bike is cosmetically superior. However, the asking price is $4800 so it better be all over fantastic. What do y'all think? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bob Peterson / R90S / Gainesville,FL / 352-375-7276 / afn05166@freenet.ufl.edu ============================================================================== pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:59:29 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: RE: hi-end chatterbox To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >The mic sticks to >the chin bar of the full-face helmet, which is a little crowded with my >protruding chin, but I've gotten used to it. You might consider removing the plastic mounting square from the microphone and then sliding the remaining 'tube' into the space between the lower lip of the helmet and the foam. It fits snug in there (without the plastic mounting square). I came to this conclusion when the mounting square broke off (it is attached to the microphone tube by only a very small amount of plastic). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:02:05 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Du Quoin, IL MC race trip A few weeks ago, my brother, an ardent race fan, asked me to join him and his wife on a bike trip to the AMA dirt bike races in Du Quoin, IL., which is in the southern part of Illinois. We left my house at about 7:45 AM on Saturday on an idyllic day. The area of Wisconsin we live in is called the Kettle Moraine and is an area of hills, valleys, lakes and forested land carved out by the glaciers over 10,000 years ago. We set out on a leisurely pace soaking up the morning sunshine and beautiful scenery. We picked up the pace upon hitting the I system to Beloit and ran into a triple whammy at the Illinois border. An accident, road construction, and a toll gate all wrapped up in a three mile stretch. Bumper to bumper-stop and start traveling for almost an hour before we cleared the obstacles. The true meaning of Interbore hit us for the next 150 miles or so as the road changes in elevation about 7 feet and is as straight a road as you would ever want to see. Miles and miles of corn and soybean fields. Since this was my first extended trip on a bike, I came to appreciate what everyone has been referring to as numb butt syndrome. Drove the 350 miles to Vandalia and arrived at a motel around 4:00 which gave us plenty of time to cool down and replace lost body fluids as the temp got into the 90's for the last two hours of the ride. Got up early the next day and drove the 75 miles to Du Quoin for breakfast. Couldn't believe the breakfast at the No Name Cafe. Two eggs, toast, ham, hash browns, bisquits and gravy, and a bottomless cup of coffee for $3.40. Needed no more food until supper. Arrived at the race track around 10:15. Must have been about 1,000 bikes there to see the races. Mostly HDs but a few assorted other bikes (including one PC.) Parked the bikes and two fellows came over to chat a bit. Seems that both of them have 89 PCs but didn't ride them to the races as one of the bikes was laid up with (would you believe) stator problems. We talked a bit and parted our ways to buy our tickets. The track is a 1 mile oval dirt track with excellent grand stand seating. The clouds were beginning to roll in as most of the races ran hot laps to get the feel of the track and prepare for the races. Most of the bikes in the races are Harleys with a few Hondas and one listed as an ROT in the program We couldn't figure out what the ROT was. Figured that maybe it stood for Rottweiler and was a dog of a bike. After much delay, the heat races were about to begin at 1:00. WRONG.. Rain began to fall. It sprinkles lightly for almost three hours leaving hopes that the races would be able to be run. WRONG!!! After three hours, the sky opened up thus eliminating any chances for the races. :-( After waiting around for about 45 minutes, the rain stopped for a bit and we quickly went to our bikes and hauled out the rain gear. Hardly pushed the start button and the rain returned. Drove the 75 miles back to the motel with no smiles on the faces and very wet dispositions. Rain the whole way from sprinkles to downpour. Not a fun day.... They had not had rain in the Du Quoin area for almost a month. It had to pick race day to rain. Only ones happy were the local farmers who got some much needed moisture for their crops. Got up about 7:00 this morning for the return trip. Naturally, the weather was beautiful. Returned home, basically the same way, with stops for gas and butt desensitizing. Bike ran well and gas mileage ranged from a low of 40.25 mpg to 48.1 mpg depending on how high the wick was turned up. My brother and his wife each have HDs and I was surprised to see how our gas mileage almost was identical. 860 miles total in the three days. I think I will give my ass a little rest and not go on any trips for a while. Trip was disappointing because of the rain out but successful in that we did enjoy the ride (except the rain) and came back safe and sound (except for the butt) Hope to see a race in the future as they look to be exciting to watch. These guys really haul and average over 100 mph on the one mile dirt track. Regards to all, Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: afn05166@afn.org (Bob Peterson) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Purchase From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jul 1996 23:14:29 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "BP" == Bob Peterson writes: BP> I have a chance to purchase a 1989 PC800 with less than 1800 mi. This BP> bike is cosmetically superior. However, the asking price is $4800 so BP> it better be all over fantastic. Have it checked out by a good mechanic and check the service records. With only 1800 miles, the bike has probably been sitting for a long time. Periodic maintenance still has to be done even if the machine isn't moved, but I know I'd be loath to do it if I weren't riding my machine. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Jul 96 01:07:28 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Purchase I guess it's all relative, but I paid the same price, $4800, for my '89 PC, new, in 1991. That seems a little high to me. Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '83 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:17:05 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: BSDE-LRC Subject: Australia Owner Hi! I have tried to "get into" your system, many times no success. I am only able to read stuff, not send or receive, and I suspect much more is possible. If you can help, please contact me, I want to get involved. I own the only PC 800 in Australia. Thanks, Ron Grant. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 06:35:38 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil cc: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fork Oil Change In a message dated 96-07-15 10:45:12 EDT, c601rah@sssd.navy.mil (Richard A. Hardy) writes: << I think you mean *castration* >> Richard, Actually, I did mean crucifixion. One of the features of crucifixtion that they don't talk about in Church is that there is a big peg that goes between your legs. You were then tied to the cross by the hands and legs with much of your weight being taken by the peg -- the amount depending on how much strength was left in your arms. It was a slow, painful way to die. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 08:32:26 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Purchase > I have a chance to purchase a 1989 PC800 with less than 1800 mi. This > bike is cosmetically superior. However, the asking price is $4800 so > it better be all over fantastic. Not to be alarmist, but I second the motion you get it checked out well. I bought a Yamaha TT250, same situation, and it turned out to have a broken valve guide and ruined valve. It ran ok, I bought it without poking around, and paid $200+ extra for parts & machine work. Consensus was that while sitting, things had gummed up and caused the breakage. Good Luck. Bob C NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:53:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Reply to: Fwd: Re: Speakers in helmet To: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> cc: PC800 List Dear Cory; You're back! Please tell us about your trip! BTW I really enjoyed meeting you and Juan. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:24:05 +0000 From: Steve Carr To: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: ST1100 fender Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM wrote: > > > I see, from the archives, you have installed an ST1100 front fender > on your PC. You must have painted it to match since the ST never was > pearl white. How much fabricating did you have to do? I'm > interested in putting one on my '95. > TIA > > Roger Prince Yep, I painted it Pearl White. The Pearl is a three step process, base white, pearl, clear coat. All can be purchased in 11 0z aerosol cans, ($17, $17, $8, respectively). You'll need one can of each for the fender. Make sure you apply sparingly on the underside of the fender. Take your time, I did and the paint finish looks great. I also painted the base part of my Rifle windshield. As for mounting, I removed some plastic on the inside of the fender and made a simple bracket to extend the existing front mounting hole up about 6 inches to line up with new fender mounting hole. You'll need two of these, one for each side. I was worried that it might not be secure, but I have taken the bike to approx 115 mph on a windy day and didn't have any problems. Steve Oops, just read that you have a '95. Forget the painting tips, just order it in black, it's exactly the same color. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BSDE-LRC Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Australia Owner From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Jul 1996 10:02:39 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "B" == BSDE-LRC writes: B> Hi! I have tried to "get into" your system, many times no success. I don't know exactly what you're trying to say; I don't see any messages to the list server from you. Perhaps you've just been reading the list archives on the web? In any case, to subscribe send a message containing just the line subscribe pc800 to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. B> I own the only PC 800 in Australia. Wow. Is there really only one there? I always thought that Honda could do a little bit better job of marketing. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: ST1100 fender From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:30:35 -0500 Lines: 9 >>>>> "SC" == Steve Carr writes: SC> As for mounting, I removed some plastic on the inside of the fender and SC> made a simple bracket to extend the existing front mounting hole up SC> about 6 inches to line up with new fender mounting hole. What did you make this bracket out of? How much did the fender cost? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: ST1100 fender From: Jason L Tibbitts III Lines: 9 Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:44:08 -0500 >>>>> "SC" == Steve Carr writes: SC> As for mounting, I removed some plastic on the inside of the fender and SC> made a simple bracket to extend the existing front mounting hole up SC> about 6 inches to line up with new fender mounting hole. What did you make this bracket out of? How much did the fender cost? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 00:00:26 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "9312" Subject: RE: Purchase A dealer in the Worcester, Mass, area has a '95 for $5999 with lessthan 900mi. Apparently taken in trade. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of 9312 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 1996 10:32 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Purchase > I have a chance to purchase a 1989 PC800 with less than 1800 mi. This > bike is cosmetically superior. However, the asking price is $4800 so > it better be all over fantastic. Not to be alarmist, but I second the motion you get it checked out well. I bought a Yamaha TT250, same situation, and it turned out to have a broken valve guide and ruined valve. It ran ok, I bought it without poking around, and paid $200+ extra for parts & machine work. Consensus was that while sitting, things had gummed up and caused the breakage. Good Luck. Bob C NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:23:35 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800/ST1100 fender > >>>>> "SC" == Steve Carr writes: > > SC> As for mounting, I removed some plastic on the inside of the fender and > SC> made a simple bracket to extend the existing front mounting hole up > SC> about 6 inches to line up with new fender mounting hole. > > What did you make this bracket out of? How much did the fender cost? > > - J< Flat Aluminium bar stock about 1/8" thick by 3/4" wide. > Yep, I painted it Pearl White. The Pearl is a three step process, > base white, pearl, clear coat. All can be purchased in 11 0z aerosol > cans, ($17, $17, $8, respectively). You'll need one can of each for > the fender. >Where did you get the paint?? >Thanks >Bill Chapparal Cycle, their phone number can be found in any of the cycle mags. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Jul 96 21:23:53 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: Bob Peterson Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Purchase Bob Well, I bought mine in 1991 from a dealer brand new for $4,495.00 here in New Joisey. When did he buy it? Honda was pretty much givin' em away for a while there. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Purchase From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 16 Jul 1996 21:27:11 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "P" == Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> writes: P> Honda was pretty much givin' em away for a while there. Yeah, I remember that. They got as low as $3500 in '93. Then something happened and you suddenly just couldn't get one. A local dealer sold their entire back stock of '90 bikes in just a couple of months. Of course, that was when I was trying to buy one, and I was just a bit too late. Fortunately the '94 model came out. Unfortunately it cost $7500. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:03:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Windscreen I have gone through 2 windscreens on my '89 and wonder if I've found a common problem. I've always cleaned mine with Windex or something similar on those occassions when I don't use warm soapy water-- sometimes soap and water, sometimes Windex. On the first screen, I found that a thin plastic film seemed to come off the inside of the screen eventually. Eventually the windshield got so fogged I couldn't see through it. I bought a second windshield. Both windshields were designed for the 1990 bike: they were 1" taller than the '89 windshields. Two weeks ago, while washing the "new" windshield with Windex, I was trying to scrub off what looked like a spiderweb or similar pattern of dirt. Suddenly I noticed that there were pieces of a thin plastic film coming off, moving around, separating from one another and in general making the windshield even more opaque. What's going on? Is it the ammonia or some other chemical in the Windex? Has anyone seen something similar? JeffHamltn@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Windscreen From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Jul 1996 00:28:51 -0500 Lines: 20 >>>>> "J" == JeffHamltn writes: J> On the first screen, I found that a thin plastic film seemed to come off J> the inside of the screen eventually. Eventually the windshield got so J> fogged I couldn't see through it. This is happening to the shield on my bike. I've used water, that Honda spooge-in-a-can, Can-Do, Slipstream 'cycle shield cleaner, lemon Pledge, and now Protect-All to clean the thing. I know that sounds like a lot, but these are all plastic cleaners (except for the Pledge, I suppose) and all but the Pledge are supposed to be used on shields. I don't recall that the Pledge did any noticeable harm the one time that I used it. More importantly, none of these contain any ammonia. While the shield is still transparent enough that I'm not worried about it (I don't usually look through it in normal riding) I can tell that it's going. Actually what's going is the thin film on the inner surface; I can scratch it off with my fingernail. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 06:13:10 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: JeffHamltn@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Windscreen JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: > > I have gone through 2 windscreens on my '89 and wonder if I've found a > common problem. What's going on? Is it the ammonia or some other > chemical in the Windex? Has anyone seen something similar? On the bikes that I've owned with windshields ('94 F-2 and now the '96 PC) I've always cleaned them with Windex or it's generic equivalent. I have yet to experience any problems. I have no experience with after-market windshields but I am aware that most are not of the same material as the OEM. FWIW, I always clean them in the garage, out of the direct rays of the sun. Perhaps a reaction of some sort when cleaned in bright sunlight? gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Windscreen On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, Gary E. Klim wrote: > JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: > > > > I have gone through 2 windscreens on my '89 and wonder if I've found a > > common problem. What's going on? Is it the ammonia or some other > > chemical in the Windex? Has anyone seen something similar? > > On the bikes that I've owned with windshields ('94 F-2 and now the '96 PC) > I've always cleaned them with Windex or it's generic equivalent. I have yet > to experience any problems. I have no experience with after-market > windshields but I am aware that most are not of the same material as the OEM. > FWIW, I always clean them in the garage, out of the direct rays of the sun. > Perhaps a reaction of some sort when cleaned in bright sunlight? > > gk One thing I learned was not to use Simple Green. That stuff is fine on the front side of the shield. But if you try it on the backside of the shield (side facing you), it eats the UV coating. That's how I destroyed my original shield. Fortunately for me at the time I was about to change to a taller shield anyway. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None CCF Network/Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." PGP Fingerprint 4B 2D 91 5A 62 3E 96 36 93 9E 03 A4 10 A2 B9 F5 ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Jul 96 10:44:44 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: WinCIM Spell- Checker Add-On software For those of you on Compuserve, I wanted you to know about a neat spell-checker software available. It's called WinCIM Spell-Checker Add-On software, and it's a blessing for this old fossil! Type Go ASPELL to get complete information and to download the software. There is a one-time charge of $19.97...there are no connect charges. Try it...you'll like it...I do! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:59:28 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Windscreen This thread makes me happy. I never wash my windshield. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:30:45 -0400 To: bsde@mailbox.uq.edu.au, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Australia Owner Hey Ron!!!! A guy from Down Under........ Welcome ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:58:18 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Windshield - PC800 To those concerned: I too have had the same thing happen to me while I was trying to remove some scratches with Meguires plastic cleaner. The cleaner began to cake up, due to the film, I guess, and I still haven't been able to get all of it off yet. Have tried everything from bug and tar remover to liquid wax with not much success. I have had several shields from National Cycle and none of them have ever had that film on them. If they do, it has never come off. Changing the subject, has anyone ever had any of their radiator hoses give out, or burst on them? I was just wondering about the life expectantcy of the hoses, and does changing the coolant on a regular basis help to preserve the hoses? Would appreciate the info. Thanks much.. Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:22:49 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: DORMAN Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Windshield - PC800 DORMAN wrote: > Changing the subject, has anyone ever had any of their radiator hoses > give out, or burst on them? I was just wondering about the life > expectancy of the hoses, and does changing the coolant on a regular > basis help to preserve the hoses? Would appreciate the info. By nature, I am a spare parts obsessive. When I purchased my first liquid cooled bike ('90 Hawk GT) I ordered spare hoses although my dealer tried to persuade me otherwise (hard to believe). Apparently, bike hoses are far superior to automotive ones thanks to potential liability suits should one fail and dump slimy coolant on the rear tire (this would of course happen while at full lean around a blind corner...) I changed the coolant on my old '94 CB-1000 at around 9,000 miles. Waste of time. The stuff that came out looked as good as what went back in. This is one case where the stated replacement interval can be believed. gk pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:51:50 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:52:29 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Broken tabs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu All, It is real easy to break off the two rear tabs on the front disk brake covers. Mine are now aluminium :) I had to replace a bulb in the front brake cover light. You say what disk brake cover lights? My PC's previous owner replaced the side rflectors with lights the same size and color as the reflectors. Neat idea. His installation? So So. MT in MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:46:58 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Windshield Howdy. When my windshield gets gunky, I wash it with dish detergent to get all the bugs and even tiny grit off, and then polish with Novus Plastic Polish No.2. If there is any kind of film or haze on the plastic, it takes it right off, and it has that beautiful soft, glowing look of freshly polished plexi, and a wicked static charge. At that point I probably should give it a lick of Pledge, but it always looks so good that I can't bring myself to. Remember the rules for polishing- you have to get every speck of the previous size of abrasive off the surface before you can go to the next finer polish. In our case, that means that the windshield has to be perfectly clean before you use the plastic polish, because it's extremely fine. Polishing before the surface is clean will *install* scratches, not remove them. BTW, the Novus also leaves the body of the bike looking beautiful but it's a little expensive to use for the whole bike. I use it to remove shoe scuff marks from the body and sometimes on the edges to make them really bright. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Jul 96 12:16:59 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: Dick Chambers <71241.3603@CompuServe.COM>, HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Caution...disc lock users! Just a word of caution...if you use a disc lock on your bike, think seriously about having some sort of warning system to alert you to the fact that the lock is on your disc when you get on your bike and prepare to ride off into the sunset. I've seen three instances where problems have developed because the rider forgot to remove the lock. One messed up his front fender; another warped a brake disc and broke a bracket when he rolled it off the center stand; the other almost dropped his ST and probably did some damage. However, he was too embarrassed to look at it, but speedily removed the lock and took off (he was in the Honda Rider Club tent at Daytona!) A couple of suggestions...run a cord from the lock to either your front brake lever or clutch lever, or have a little warning sign of some kind that you could put near or over the ignition, or in the map pocket of your tank bag. You PC owners don't have to worry about this unless you have another bike! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:26:34 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: (Fwd) Caution...disc lock users! To Disk Lock or not to Disk Lock. That is the question. Well, I chose to disk lock my 95 Concours when I purchased it. I wanted to disk lock Erin's pc800 at the same time but, as you already know, the front fender design on the PC is not very conducive to that sort of activity. The disk lock worked just fine until one fateful evening, after a long, hard, irritating day at work, I tried to ride off without removing it. Well, just shy of $1000 damage later, I'm back on the road, and still using the disk lock, but now, I have a bright yellow "CHECK KRYPTONITE" sticker just below my ignition and one just above my starter button. I got these for *FREE* from my local disk lock dealer. The other suggestion I have for people is to go to your local municipal airport pilot's shop and buy a couple those bright red *REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT* flags that are used on private airplanes and attach them to strategic places on your bike. It'll be well worth the expenditure...trust me :-). My two cents worth. Ramin --- Forwarded mail from "Erin Dolin" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:28:23 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: ramin@tibco.com Subject: Caution...disc lock users! Ramin, You want to throw your .02 in? Erin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: RAMIN(RAMIN@TIBCO.COM) FORWARDED MESSAGE 07/18/96 09:21 FROM 71430.340@CompuServe.COM "Dana L. Sawyer": PC800: Caution...disc lock users! sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13849; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:20:52 -0500 (CDT) 18 Jul 1996 11:20:33 CDT Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:19:19 -0500 (CDT) [149.174.217.135]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13757 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:19:09 -0500 (CDT) id MAA15466; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:18:44 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Jul 96 12:16:59 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: Dick Chambers <71241.3603@CompuServe.COM>, HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Caution...disc lock users! Just a word of caution...if you use a disc lock on your bike, think seriously about having some sort of warning system to alert you to the fact that the lock is on your disc when you get on your bike and prepare to ride off into the sunset. I've seen three instances where problems have developed because the rider forgot to remove the lock. One messed up his front fender; another warped a brake disc and broke a bracket when he rolled it off the center stand; the other almost dropped his ST and probably did some damage. However, he was too embarrassed to look at it, but speedily removed the lock and took off (he was in the Honda Rider Club tent at Daytona!) A couple of suggestions...run a cord from the lock to either your front brake lever or clutch lever, or have a little warning sign of some kind that you could put near or over the ignition, or in the map pocket of your tank bag. You PC owners don't have to worry about this unless you have another bike! Dana Sawyer ---End of forwarded mail from "Erin Dolin" -- Ramin Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:58:42 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: FW: RFQ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/18/96 13:59 ## The enclosed message lists the prices I paid for the ST1100 black front fender, bracket and mtg bolts. Some brackets need to be fabricated for installation. Those parts arrived in six days. Roger CEO document contents: This is a resend of my reply to Honda of Milpitas. I want to add in the list price used by Cycle Design and another of my sources. In the order of the list below 107.12, 53.58, 3.81, 1.00, 10.76, 38.45. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- Sent: Friday, July 05, 1996 10:28 PM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: HONDAMIL@aol.com Cc: 'pc800' Subject: RE: RFQ Andy, thanks for the quote. I won't be ordering from you since my dealer, Cycle Design of Phillipston, MA, gave me better prices. Their prices are in ($$$) after your prices. Sorry, maybe next time. Roger Prince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HONDAMIL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 1996 7:36 PM To: Roger Prince Subject: Re: RFQ In a message dated 96-07-01 17:48:29 EDT, you write: << 61101-MT3-000ZA Fender, FRK *NH1* (Black) $85.32 ($79.00) 1 61102-MT3-000 Plate, FRK Fender $34.36 ($31.81) 2 90106-MT3-000 Screw, Pan (6X54) $2.44 ($ 2.26) 2 96001-06022-07 Bolt, Flange (6X22) $.68 ($ .63) 6 15410-MM9-013 Oil Filter $7.26 ($ 6.73) 2 17230-MR5-000 Air Filter $42.30 ($28.84) >> prices above single + shipping.. ($ 4.00) shipping Call Bill in aprts to order at 18007342639 or e-mail me...if you have anymore questions. Andy Honda of Milpitas 18007342639 4082636060 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:55:59 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Ventilation Has anyone ever tried installing a vented opening in their windshield? It looks like Goldwings have a controllable vent opening. I like the protection of the shield when its cool, but on hot days I'd like to get some direct air. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:44:38 -0400 To: ramin@tibco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) Caution...disc lock users! How did the damage add up to a grand???? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:43:11 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" , pc800 newsletter Subject: Ride for Kids Web Page URL http://www.members.aol.com/ride4kids email: pbtfus@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:03:04 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" Subject: pc800 wiggle update THANKS!!! Honda replaced the K155s on Karens PC with K177s, the same model that they put on the Wings..... Fixed the problem!!! Thanks to all who advised.. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:43:45 -0400 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com, 71241.3603@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Caution...disc lock users! I went to an air plane supply store and bought a little red cloth sign that has printed on it in big white letter.... REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT It's attached via a string to my front wheel U-lock and I lay the sign over my handle bars. I only wish I'd purchased it BEFORE I tried to take off with my lock on the front wheel. Yes I cracked the back off of the front fender. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 18:35:52 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800 newsletter , "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" Subject: Re: The Constable's a dummy! Bill McKenna wrote: > > > Thought you might enjoy this..... > > Regards, > Bill > > **************************************************************************** > In north central Maine, there's a road numbered 'Route 201'. It heads almost > due north, through sleepy little towns, winding, winding, winding, with many > a scenic vista in the hills and valleys, making its way on into Canada. > > Several areas are often littered with the remains of a bambi or a bullwinkle > that wandered unsuspectingly into the path of an oncoming pulp truck, or > passenger car. The roadside has more than one cross marking the site of a > deceased motorist. Many curves are blackened with the skid marks of 18 > wheelers that "locked 'em up" traveling too fast into the switchbacks...And > the scenery is captivating. > > As one climbs one of the last hills south of the little town of Jackman, > several signs mark the upcoming area as one of reduced speed. A sign, painted > in red sits before a gas station/tourist trap declaring "currency Exchange". > Slightly hidden behind this sign sits THE CONSTABLE, 24 hours a day. > > I, speeding, see the black & white, complete with door star, and slow > immediately to a crawl. Looking to the right trying to make eye contact to > see if he had me doing 70 mph in a 35 zone, I see that he IS, indeed, a > dummy. > > Some clever country boy (or girl, or coalition) has taken a late seventies > appearing Olds cutlass, painted it black & white in the traditional police > pattern, added a red light to the roof, and parked it roadside, perched to > nab the unsuspecting scofflaw. The constable sits in the driver seat, wearing > a mustache and hanging his left arm out the window. > > As it turns out, the constable IS a dummy. A store mannequin. > > Traffic is slowed as per the intention of the creator(s), without having to > resort to paying the character a salary. Now, who's the dummy?? > > Headed south from the slow into the faster, one sees the same car/markings, > only a female leg is sticking out the passenger side rear window, naked mid > thigh. Hmmmmm. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:54:47 -0700 "Re: (Fwd) PC800: Caution...disc lock users!" (Jul 18, 6:44pm) To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Caution...disc lock users! On Jul 18, 6:44pm, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: (Fwd) Caution...disc lock users! > How did the damage add up to a grand???? > > Z >-- End of excerpt from GuntherSki@aol.com By the time you add up 1 bent rotor and carrier @ approx. $325 (US), 1 bent caliper bracket at $125, 1 cracked right-side middle fairing piece at approx.$300 (yep, I dropped her at approx. 700lbs), plus about $150 or so for the labor, you're looking at almost a grand by the time the smoke clears (severe pucker factor happening here!). I thank god I didn't bend a fork down tube in the process. On the bright side, insurance covered all of it, including the tow charges, minus my deductible of $300. While I was at it, I had them do the 1000mi service (another $350 :-{ ). Ramin -- Ramin Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Larry Collins" To: Subject: 1994 For Sale Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:17:01 -0400 1994 PC in Atlanta area, the bike is in perfect condition, I just don't have time to ride it anymore. 7500 miles Factory warranty until April 1997 Full face helmet 2 Chatterbox systems e-mail with questions Thanks -- Larry Collins Automated Data Systems, Inc. Atlanta, GA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Larry Collins" To: Subject: 1994 For Sale - OK I'm a moron Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:29:51 -0400 Sorry I forgot to say: $5500 Later -- Larry Collins Automated Data Systems, Inc. Atlanta, GA with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:59:28 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:56:04 -0400 From: "Jan A. deRoos" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My day at CLASS school. My day at CLASS school. Me and the 'White Whale' took a day of Reggie Pridmore's CLASS school today at Watkins Glen International Raceway. It was one of the most fantastic experiences of my life. I got to go as fast as I wanted to for as long as this old guy could stand it. Let me start by saying that the PC800 is seriously outclassed by the big BMW's, Ducati 881/900's and Honda/Kawasaki/Suziki large bore super bikes on a track designed for 200+ mph. I was consistently blown away by these bikes on straights. The PC does, however, perform compently in the tight corners, holding its own quite well. Enough of this competitive stuff, CLASS is a very well run school. Lots of guided track time, lots of drills, lots of classroom instruction, no rest. The focus is on throttle control, smoothness, body steering, and tension management. I learned alot about myself as well as the bike in the sessions. One of the important lessons I learned today is how sensitive the PC is to body input, using lower body pressure rather than steering input to turn the bike. The bike stays more upright, allowing for higher cornering speeds. This is hard work, however, and I found myself getting tired after 20-30 minutes of intense riding, especially at the end of the day. The second lesson I learned is how much more controllable the PC is with engine revs at 5000-7000 rather than the 2500-5500 range that I typically use. Reggie was very insistent that we try to drive the bikes close to the redline for more throttle control, and his instruction is entirely correct. Even at these high revs, the bike ran cool all day, with temps at 88. The third lesson I learned is how to manage my fear of falling at speed. The class gave me a wonderful sense of confidence in the bike and my abilities on the bike. All in all a great day. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:14:46 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thank You To the following: Thanks to Daniel MacKay concerning the Novus polish, to Gary Klim for his information on the quality of hoses, and Gunther Ski and Roger Prince for their information concerning battery life. I really do appreciate your time and effort. I do enjoy hearing about all of your experiences. Thanks again. Jim Mangum ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lawyer@pipeline.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 02:47:49 GMT To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. On Thu, Jul 18, 1996 9:56:04 PM, Jan A. deRoos wrote: >The second lesson I learned is how much more controllable the PC is with engine >revs at 5000-7000 rather than the 2500-5500 range that I typically use. Reggie was >very insistent that we try to drive the bikes close to the redline for more throttle >control, and his instruction is entirely correct. Even at these high revs, the bike ran >cool all day, with temps at 88. Interesting. What was the effect of running those high revs on milage? - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 23:25:14 +0600 To: deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. Content-Id: <19_64_1_837746714> So Jan, How much did the class cost, how often do they offer it, and where exactly is Watkins Glen (I've heard about it but never been there)? --James Hyder Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:58 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:57:53 +0100 From: Neville Simmons To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tire or is it Tyres? As a newcomer to the PC800 (I have an '92) I should appreciate advice on tires or as we say in the UK - tyres. It is not easy to get hold of the correct profile Metzlers for the rear - mine have ben on order for 4 weeks. Do other profiles work or should I try a different manufacturer? Neville Simmons with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:27:04 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:28:35 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My day at CLASS School --James Hyder asks... >So Jan, >How much did the class cost, how often do they offer it, and where exactly >is Watkins Glen (I've heard about it but never >been there)? Point your web browser to: www.classrides.com for information on CLASS. Watkins Glen is a sleepy little town in upstate New York, located at the southern end of Seneca Lake in the beautiful Finger Lakes region. Jeff asks: >>The second lesson I learned is how much more >>controllable the PC is with >>engine revs at 5000-7000 rather than the >>2500-5500 range that I typically >>use. Reggie was very insistent that we try to >>drive the bikes close to the >>redline for more throttle control, and his >>instruction is entirely correct. >>Even at these high revs, the bike ran cool all >>day, with temps at 88. >Interesting. What was the effect of running >those high revs on milage? I got about 35mpg for the day on the track. A large difference from the 45-48 mpg I usually get in town and touring driving. I wouldn't drive with revs this high all day, but when I get in the twisties, I will probably use a lower gear to keep the revs up for better control. I don't think the milage penalty will be severe by driving in this manner. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 07:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Jan A. deRoos" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. Jan, what was the cost, and what were the clothing requirements, please? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JBLAV@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:33:07 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Lowell Honda TO: Northeast PC owners: Lowell Honda at 170 Kingsboro Road North Kelford MA is having a going out of business sale. For example. they have the $40.00 mechanics manual for the 89-90 PC and selling it for $15.00. I'm sure that there are other items available. Only ten more days left. I dont think I can get up there from Key Largo, FL to get one of those manuals. However if there is a list member in that area, please e-mail me. I'd appreciate your assistance. The Miami dealer wanted $65.00 for the same manual. Jim JBLAV @ AOL.COM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Neville Simmons Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire or is it Tyres? Welcome to the PC world, Neville. I have been using Dunlops K177 for four years and about 47,000 miles (I have 61K on the bike now, and installed the K177s as soon as the original K155s wore out), and have been perfectly satisfied with them. I get about 13,000 miles on the rear and 18,000 on the front. I ride "aggressively" about 7-8 % of the time, weigh 160, and put half my mileage on the freeway at 75 mph (120 km). On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Neville Simmons wrote: > As a newcomer to the PC800 (I have an '92) I should appreciate advice on > tires or as we say in the UK - tyres. It is not easy to get hold of the > correct profile Metzlers for the rear - mine have ben on order for 4 > weeks. Do other profiles work or should I try a different manufacturer? > > Neville Simmons > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:15:23 -0400 To: neville.simmons@ssa.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire or is it Tyres? Try Dunlop. I think that's your only option. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:14:34 -0400 To: deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. What a nice story. Glad you had fun. Did you get to ride any of the other bikes on the track? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: JBLAV@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lowell Honda <960719113306_241221412@emout07.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:19:15 -0700 From: Andrew Beals "North Kelford"? Try North CHELMSFORD. Sheesh. I had a hard time digging their number out of directory assistance, asking for them in "North Kelford". (508) 251-4440. They have 1 Honda Common Service manual for $30 and they won't ship. #($@#$#@$#@(^@#(^#@&^* > TO: Northeast PC owners: > > Lowell Honda at 170 Kingsboro Road North Kelford MA is having a going out of > business sale. For example. they have the $40.00 mechanics manual for the > 89-90 PC and selling it for $15.00. I'm sure that there are other items > available. Only ten more days left. > > I dont think I can get up there from Key Largo, FL to get one of those > manuals. However if there is a list member in that area, please e-mail me. > I'd appreciate your assistance. The Miami dealer wanted $65.00 for the same > manual. > > Jim > JBLAV @ AOL.COM > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:07:56 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: orfwg@srv.net (William Orf) Subject: Subscribe to list Please subscribe orfwg@srv.net (William Orf) My wife and I have enjoyed our '89 Pacific Coast for some time now. My wife rides the PC and I ride a Honda ST 1100. We enjoy touring within the speed limits during the SHORT riding season in SE Idaho. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:49:44 -0400 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, 71430.340@compuserve.com, 71241.3603@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: BMW 850 / PC 800 I just spent 5 days riding a BMW 850 and attending one of the most demanding slowing riding schools in the country. This was part of preparation for being a courier, bringing film and news tape from the different venues (events) to a central distribution and processing point, during the Olympics in Atlanta. The driving school was conducted by the motorcycle officer in charge of advance training for the motorcycle officers of Dade Country Florida supported by a California C.H.I.P. Officer. The quality of instruction was above excellent. The driving school was held at Honda's Educational Facility outside Atlanta. I didn't make the cut, but I enjoyed the experienced. The training course consisted of the normal designs, but in much tighter formations. To negotiate the course it was necessary to turn the steering to full locked position and lean the bike to reduce the turning radius using a feathering technique on the rear brake and always riding (slipping) the clutch to maintain control. (The clutch was never fully engaged, but always in a "gray area.") The last design was called the intersection. It was the one I could not accomplish. The intersection was four, 15 feet wide and 25 feet deep boxes, forming a + sign. Seven feet from the end of each box was a turning cone. The idea was to enter the intersection from the left side and ride between each turning cone and the end of the box, going around the inside of the design until exiting from the left side. It was just beyond my skill level without a few days of practice. The purpose of this report is not to discuss training techniques, but to compare the BMW 850 to our Pacific Coasts. I had the BMW available 24 hours each day, and rode it in all different kinds of conditions, and over many differ types roads. The BMW is a lighter and a much quicker bike than the PC. It rides and handles like a high priced German luxury auto. It is very sure footed. It is much less affected by varying wind conditions and the turbulence caused by large vehicles. But, you ride on the BMW, not in it, as you do the PC. The BWW feels every indentation of the road, where PC generates a flat stable feeling, gliding over all by the most obtrusive road variances. The BMW has vibration in every range from idling to 100 m.p.h. The rear view mirrors at 80 M.P.H. are vibrating to the extend that you could see the car behind you, but you couldn't tell if it were a patrol car. The BMW is very noisy. It was difficult to get street directions from a pedestrian without turning off the engine. The engine noise increases as speed increases. The bike from the side appears to be very quiet, but not from the driver's position. The torque pull on the BMW is very noticeable. A slight throttle twist when standing still in neutral will sent the bike strongly to the right. The seating position of the BMW is more reminiscent of a sport bike, forcing your body forward and placing a portion of your upper torso weight, through your arms, onto the handlebars, with your feet tucked in behind you. The seat is more comfortable than the PC's (no hard ass syndrome), but because of the sport riding position, after a while, your shorts would ride up and try to strangle your gonads. The BMW seemed to be designed with cost in mind. The turn signals were manual canceling. The instrumentation consisted of a speedometer and a bunch of idiot lights. No tachometer. The proximity of the kick stand to the gear box often resulted it engaging first gear when trying to put down the side kick stand. The BMW was geared to reduced R.P.M. s, but to achieve this the gear spacing was increased instead of adding an extra gear. Often, at intermediate speeds it was difficult to find the right gear. The BMW 850 I rode had the small, but very effective, faring and the two side/saddle bags. The faring reduced the wind turbulence by disturbing the on rushing air, but made no attempt to directly shelter the driver. (Funny, my helmet made much less noise on the BMW than when riding my PC.) The saddle bags carried less than the PC boot, and were somewhat cumbersome to use. The bags had the advantage of being detachable, but weighed a ton and were ungainly to carry. We used the bags to import beer at night into the dry college campus where we were housed. The BMW 850 is an excellent and a well built bike, but it appears to be from the previous generation than the PC. I don't think I would be willing to tolerate the lack of instrumentation, incessant vibration and noise to ride the label of BMW. The BMW 850 lists for over $10,000 as I rode it, and I would not trade my PC for it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Jul 1996 12:29:38 -0700 From: "Randy Spencer" Subject: Ex-PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well, I just was told by the insurance company that they believe my bike to be totalled. I bought my '89 Pacific Coast a year ago from a guy who had taken extra special care of it. In the last year I doubled the milage on the odometer, and it was great. Then coming in to work a month ago someone stalled on the freeway and when I went to pass him he opened his door catching the bike and tossing me over the top. The bike really sacrificed itself for me, I was unhurt (well... scrape on the arm and hairline on my big toe) The bike just came apart, every piece of plastic on it except the back side and the windshield is cracked and the radiator is crushed. I went into Honda and they gave me pricing on the plastic, should be over $1500. The insurance says they will give me high Blue Book for it ($3900), plus sales tax so I will be getting around $4800. If I want to give them back $1300 of it I can even keep the bike. I called some salvage shops in CA and they told me that $1300 was way out of their ability to buy a bike, so this sounds high. It seems that I will be better off junking this 20,000 mile bike and getting a replacement when I find one for sale. Anyone have any advice on the subject? with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:15:59 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:15:33 -0500 From: JOE STEVE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Earplugs A few weeks ago the almost Olympic Courier Bernie Kohler asked me for the information regarding the earplus that Motorcycle Consumer News. I'll post it here since there are no doubt many others who would find it interesting also. Direct Quote "Editor's Choice: Super "Hearos" are tapered soft foam earplugs with molded insertion handles, distributed by DAP Enterprises, manufactured by Howard Leight Industries. They have an NRR of 30, and come in a package of 4 pairs with a waterproof carrying case you can attach to a keychain or a zipper pull. Of all the types tested, we found these the most comfortable and effective. Hearos are available at most Walgreen's, K-Marts, and major drugstores, or you can contact DAP directly at (800)-289-8249. " Bernie, your training sounds valuable. It's always good to learn more about riding. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:44:58 -0700 (MST) To: Bill McKenna , "st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" , pc800 newsletter From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Ride for Kids Web Page URL At 06:43 PM 7/18/96 -0500, Bill McKenna wrote: >http://www.members.aol.com/ride4kids > >email: pbtfus@aol.com > That's a slightly incorrect URL, Bill. Instead, try: http://members.aol.com/ride4kids/index.html Gregg DesElms =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:16:15 -0700 To: "Randy Spencer" From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Ex-PC800 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Randy - Sorry about the bike, but at least you're OK to worry about the insurance stuff! At 12:29 PM 7/19/96 -0700, Randy Spencer wrote: >I went into Honda and they gave me pricing on the plastic, should be over $1500. The insurance says they will give me high Blue Book for it ($3900), plus sales tax so I will be getting around $4800. If I want to give them back $1300 of it I can even keep the bike. I called some salvage shops in CA and they told me that $1300 was way out of their ability to buy a bike, so this sounds high. > >It seems that I will be better off junking this 20,000 mile bike and getting a replacement when I find one for sale. Anyone have any advice on the subject? > Here's my two cents: Negotiate on the price of the buyback, make them come down a bit on it, and keep your bike. From your description, most of the damage is plastic, so there is still a running bike (frame, wheels, engine & drivetrain) under all of the busted plastic. [Note that I'd keep the bike even at the $1300; remember that salvage places try to get as many pieces of a bike as near to *free* as possible, so there's a big dent in their profitability at that price. You can't even get a low-mileage PC engine and drivetrain for that price, I'd bet.] That would leave you with $3,500.... more than enough for a down payment, and/or most of the price of a decent older PC. You'll be able to have a bike *and* a parts bike (which it may be possible to turn into a "street fighter" or "thrasher" to commute on and beat up). A friend of mine had a similar situation when he dropped his ZX-11. Good thing he kept the old one when he got the new one, as he spun a bearing on the new bike after about 3 months...... He ended up putting a few bucks in the old one and riding it for a while, and eventually sold it for more than the combined buyback price plus improvements. You could also experiment with putting that stroked Shadow 1100 engine in the thrasher....... ;-) Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:25:32 -0700 To: JOE STEVE , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Earplugs Hi again, folks - At 03:15 PM 7/19/96 -0500, JOE STEVE wrote: >A few weeks ago the almost Olympic Courier Bernie Kohler >asked me for the information regarding the earplus that >Motorcycle Consumer News. I'll post it here since there are >no doubt many others who would find it interesting also. My personal faves are MAX-Lite earplugs, by Howard Leight, available from: Direct Safety Co. P.O. Box 50050 Phoenix, AZ 85076-0050 They're about $22 a box, for a box of 200 pairs. They have a NRR of about 30 dB. (I've tried the Hearos, and they're very nice, but these are more comfy and much cheaper per set.) They also carry the MAX earplugs, which are good for 33 dB NRR, but you *really* can't hear anything with those on. Two more cents worth. - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: William Orf Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe to list Welcome to the list, William! Richard Hardy On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, William Orf wrote: > Please subscribe orfwg@srv.net (William Orf) > > My wife and I have enjoyed our '89 Pacific Coast for some time now. My wife > rides the PC and I ride a Honda ST 1100. We enjoy touring within the speed > limits during the SHORT riding season in SE Idaho. Thanks. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > 19 Jul 1996 17:42:50 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:43:27 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Subscribe to list To: William Orf Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu William Orf wrote: > > Please subscribe orfwg@srv.net (William Orf) > > My wife and I have enjoyed our '89 Pacific Coast for some time now. My wife > rides the PC and I ride a Honda ST 1100. We enjoy touring within the speed > limits during the SHORT riding season in SE Idaho. Thanks. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Hope you give her the respect she deserves. I ride approx. 12K / yr and live in Billings. Would like to have ST1100, but would have to sell my PC. :-( Planning a trip that could go your way in Sept. Pretty country. Did you get subscribed to the E-mail list OK? MDTurley@wtp.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:32:41 -0700 (MST) To: "Randy Spencer" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Ex-PC800 At 12:29 PM 7/19/96 -0700, Randy Spencer wrote: >Well, I just was told by the insurance company that they believe my bike to >be totalled. I bought my '89 Pacific Coast a year ago from a guy who had >taken extra special care of it. In the last year I doubled the milage on the >odometer, and it was great. Then coming in to work a month ago someone >stalled on the freeway and when I went to pass him he opened his door >catching ------------------------------ SNIP ---------------------------------------- > >I went into Honda and they gave me pricing on the plastic, should be over >$1500. The insurance says they will give me high Blue Book for it ($3900), >plus sales tax so I will be getting around $4800. If I want to give them >back $1300 of it I can even keep the bike. I called some salvage shops in CA >and they told me that $1300 was way out of their ability to buy a bike, so >this sounds high. > >It seems that I will be better off junking this 20,000 mile bike and getting a replacement when I find one for sale. Anyone have any advice on the subject? > -------------------------------- Reply Separator --------------------------- Yes! In '93 I suffered a momentary lapse in attention and judgement and I found myself trying to come to a rapid stop at an intersection trying to avoid piling into the back of a van (whose driver had decided that yellow meant red, apparently). When I realized that, because I was in the CENTER of the lane, where the oil and grease dripped from cars waiting at the stoplight had accumulated, my tires weren't gripping to stop, I stomped on the rear brake, swung the tail end around, turned tight into it, laid it down and pushed off, sliding on my back to a stop on the pavement while my bike slid at (I'm guessing) 25 mph (or so) under the van. My injuries were relatively minimal, considering, but the front/right of the bike was pretty screwed up. It was an '89 that I had purchased new in '90 or '91 (can't remember exactly). When the repairs hit $3700 they totaled it. I can't remember exactly what I got for it... right arouund $5K as I recall. But I think I remember the insurance company telling me I could have it for around $800. (It's now three years later, so your insurance company's $1300 sound VERY high.) I almost went ahead and did it but I changed my mind at the last minute and went for a replacement. When I couldn't find a new one anywhere, I contacted a customer service supervisor at American Honda in California (someone I had spoken to several times before when I had problems with my V45 Sabre that I felt Honda should be responsible for). He broadcast a voicemail to all the national service reps asking if anyone knew of a dealer with a new '89. About a week later, he FAXed me a list of 23 dealers across the country with a variety of new and used '89s. Finally, I cut a deal with a dealer in Kalispel, Montana for a new '89, still in the crate (he had overbought, apparently) for $200 less than I paid for the first one (which I got one helluva deal on in the first place). I FEDEXed a check to Kalispel, had Consolidated Freightways pick it up and truck it to my local dealer in Indiana (they won't ship a bike unassembled directly to a customer for liability reasons) for around $600, then paid him for the dealer prep, and I was on the road again for around $5,500 grand total, as I recall. Friends thought I had had the wrecked on fixed. The dealer looked the other way while I salvaged the clamshell trunklid (bearing the custom high brakelight that I had installed), and the custom backrest I had had made, from the wrecked bike. Of course, I doubt if you'll be able to find any new '89s anywhere now, no matter what you do or who you call. Based on the numbers you've given, I would either cut a better deal with the insurance company ($300 to $500 max, in my opinion), or, probably even better yet, just give up on this one and pick up another used one. Because of all the plastic on the PC, everything's got to be just PERFECT or it will forever be a fit and finish nightmare. If you keep this one, it may never be quite right, given the damage you describe. You should be able to find a replacement with a little patience and creativity (although, granted, I wouldn't want to have to do it again!). Good luck. Gregg DesElms =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:26:11 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tscot@vvm.com (todd scot) Subject: 89 for sale 89 pc for sale 10,000 miles in good condition. Tall Rifle windshield located in Killeen Texas if intrested call 817-519-3518 *************************************************************** *Todd Scot (817)519-3518 * *E-mail tscot@vvm.com WWW HTTP://www.vvm.com/~tscot* *************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:20:49 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 89 for sale > 89 pc for sale in Killeen Texas Typical! I went all the way to Portland OR just two months ago to buy my PC. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:00:17 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 23:01:06 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Typical yet To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Keith W Rogers wrote: > > > 89 pc for sale in Killeen Texas > > Typical! > > I went all the way to Portland OR just two months ago to buy my PC. > > -- > Keith W Rogers > Austin, Texas > 1989 Honda PC800 > -- Worse yet. Last June I paid over $800 for airfare to Richmond VA to buy/get my '89 PC800. Could not find one near (Billings) anywhere. Saw one on a car lot here just the other day! Looked clean from a distance. If anyone would like I could post my 9 day journal of the trip from VA back to MT. It was more about the adventure than not being able to find a PC closer. Although I paid $3000 for mine w/7000 mi. on the bike, didn't think that was to bad. Bike ran flawlessly for the trip. Rained 7 of the 9 days and the bike had the orig. tires. Kinda tricky & dangerous. This message may be posted twice. Had a disconnect. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:34:23 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Shifting style Howdy. I've been taking more people out on the bike lately, and I've become wildly self-conscious of my shifting style, which is directly counter to the Zen-like tranquillity I'm trying to cultivate. What I'd like, for the comfort and enjoyment of my passengers, is to have a shift pattern that is smooth, but more importantly, very predictable. How many of you shift up without clutch? Down? eply directly to me, and I'll post a summary, if you like. What do you feel is the most comfortable shifting style? a) try to shift at the same RPM? b) try to shift at the same *time* c) don't care? In other news: my front caliper is sticking, and my front Exhaust Pipe B, the one that curves down from the front and under, is rusted through. I'll probably do both of the jobs myself as I find caliper work very rewarding, and the manual says Pipe B is a snap. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 14:28:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '94 PC For Sale There has been a '94 ad in the Houston Chronicle for about a week - don't know if bike is still available, but will check if anyone is interested. Bike has 16K miles and they are asking $4800. Clint CGreenwlt@aol.com pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 17:03:50 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:03:41 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu William Orf wrote: > > > We've never been to Billings. Been to Butte and Helena a couple of times, > only once since the speed limits changed. We drove in the car and really > enjoyed not worrying about a ticket. > > We live in Idaho Falls. Been here almost 10 years (moved from Denver) > > I bought my '89 PC new in about '91. Honda came up with a discount price to > get the old models gone and I was there at the right time. I rode this bike > up until this season when my wife decided that her V45 was beating her up > too much. I made the sacrifice and gave her my PC. I would have bought a > new PC for her but I found a '91 ST1100 with 23,000 miles and complete > maintenance records at a price far less than a new PC. It's worked out very > well so far except I can see that the ST is going to cost me more to keep > tires on it than a PC would. This thing takes V-rated tires that are odd > sizes that seem to wear rather quickly. I wish I could get a K177 or ML2 to > fit it but ...... that's part of the fun I guess. > > As far as showing HER the respect she deserves ... I didn't know if you > meant my wife or the PC. Trust me I do. The PC is a great piece of > engineering and well deservant of my respect and if I get out of line with > giving respect to my wife, I get a welt on my upper arm. She takes no crap. > > Bill and Kelly Orf > Idaho Falls I meant the PC. As you are aware it doesn't always get the respect it deserves. For me the only bike better would be the ST1100 and even it has drawbacks. Tire wear, huh? Try some Dunlops, not as sticky, but outlast the softer compounds. I've never been in a hurry except on the track. Little brother has a Ducati 750 he seems to be in a hurry ;-) still races a Willow Springs. We are also from the Denver area, (Littleton) Been in Billings 9 yrs. Mike Turley Billings ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:14:44 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Sure Is Windy Up Here... They said a beautiful day would be had by all up here in the Northeast, just ignore the 25 - 35 mph and possibly higher wind gusts. A correct forecast in these parts is such an anomaly... Anyway, I thought it would be prudent to acquaint myself with high wind handling quirks on familiar roads rather than on a trip. My first reactions were that of over reaction. After a while I discovered that the best course of action is to let the PC do what is wants and only make corrections if you're likely to drift someplace you ought not to be... Basically, it behaves quite well in cross winds once you stop trying to make corrections as though it were a "naked" bike. gk with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:13:28 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 20:12:20 -0400 From: "Jan A. deRoos" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: >Can you tell us more about the body steering you refered to in your >Can you tell us more about the body steering you refered to in your >original post? >Bill Fortenberry The body steering works by pushing down on the peg on the inside of the direction you wish to turn and nudging the gas tank with your knee on the other side. You should try to swivel your hips to the inside a bit to move your center of gravity to the inside of the turn. If done gracefully, the bike just turns. No steering input is necessary. The first couple of times I tried it, I over-did it and had to use the bars to correct. After a few turns, it became more natural. I went on a long ride this morning and concentrated on the technique. I'm happy to report it's getting much better. >What a nice story. Glad you had fun. Did you get to ride any of the other >bikes on the track? >Z I did get to ride (not drive) one of the VFR 750's. Reggie Pridmore (CLASS leader) was driving. It was simultaneous terror and exhilaration. We averaged about 125 mph on the straights, and took the corners about 30-40 mph faster than I am capable of. He did show me how to anticipate the lines for the corners and use the throttle to assist the steering effort. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:06:54 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 19:07:28 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Sure Is Windy Up Here... To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Gary E. Klim wrote: > > They said a beautiful day would be had by all up here in the Northeast, just > ignore the 25 - 35 mph and possibly higher wind gusts. A correct forecast in > these parts is such an anomaly... Anyway, I thought it would be prudent to > acquaint myself with high wind handling quirks on familiar roads rather than > on a trip. My first reactions were that of over reaction. After a while I > discovered that the best course of action is to let the PC do what is wants > and only make corrections if you're likely to drift someplace you ought not > to be... Basically, it behaves quite well in cross winds once you stop trying > to make corrections as though it were a "naked" bike. > > gk There is a limit. During my cross country trip last year, I holed up in a motel in E SD wet. cold and tired of fighting the wind. Watched cable and found out there were 7 tornados spotted that day 3 countys from where I had just come through! mt in mt ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MylesO2@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 21:23:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: new subscribe Myles F. O''Reilly chicago, IL MylesO2@aol.com 94 pc it is used no mod done at this time (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 20 Jul 1996 19:02:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:53:40 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: new subscribe MylesO2@aol.com wrote: > > Myles F. O''Reilly [...] Welcome, Myles -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:46:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Body Steering Hi all: Reg's CLASS is indeed great fun, and I too recommend it to everyone. You can learn a lot about your bike and about yourself in a hurry. But as good as these classes are, they are not particularly strong in explaining the "why" behind some of what they teach. Body steering is a case in point: In a message dated 96-07-20 20:21:33 EDT, Jan wrote: << The body steering works by pushing down on the peg on the inside of the direction you wish to turn and nudging the gas tank with your knee on the other side. You should try to swivel your hips to the inside a bit to move your center of gravity to the inside of the turn. If done gracefully, the bike just turns. No steering input is necessary. The first couple of times I tried it, I over-did it and had to use the bars to correct. Afte a few turns, it became more natural. I went on a long ride this morning and concentrated on the technique. I'm happy to report it's getting much better. >> Reg has been teaching his "body steering" techniques for years in his CLASS sessions as have other ex-racers such as Keith Code. They do work quite nicely and do make for smooth control. But there is one thing to remember about it all. None of it works unless you are holding on to the hand grips! If you take your hands off the bars, you can push on pegs and tanks all day and the best you ever get is a slight twitch that the bike immediately corrects for and resumes whatever direction it was going. Shifting your weight, even radically, will produce only a slight deviation in direction. In short, body steering is another "racer myth." Racer myths work, but they don't work in the way that they would have you believe. What Reg and Keith don't ever tell you (perhaps because they aren't aware of it) is that all their "body steering" techniques are really just delicate countersteering techniques. When you put pressure on a tank or a peg, you are also putting pressure on the hand grips. You are in effect "bracing" yourself with your hands to keep your body from shifting when you apply the pressure with your feet or knees. Since your conscious action is the application of pressure with the feet and knees, it feels like the bike is responding to those pressures, but in reality it is responding to the subtle hand-grip pressures. Essentially, "body steering" is simply a way to avoid overcontrolling with the hands. None of this means that you shouldn't use "body steering." It does work well for making smooth, gentle adjustments in lean angle, especially when you're already in a turn and want to make a slight line adjustment. I use it all the time, but you can make exectly the same adjustments with conscious steering inputs if you want to. The only danger in "body steering" for a street rider is that if you consciously use it a lot, you start to train your steering reflexes to focus on body parts from the hips down rather than your hands. The countersteering reflex is what will save your butt if you ever have to (actually that should be "when you have to") swerve to avoid a collision, So it is important to keep your steering mind-set focused on pressures with the hands. In an emergency, we all fall back on habit and reflex, and hand pressures are the only way to get a large, rapid change in lean angle. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Subject: CLASS clothing requirements Can anyone tell me if Pridemore's CLASS requires a full set of leathers? Thanks. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 Jul 96 14:27:57 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Sure Is Windy Up Here... Wind, tornados, etc. Yes, sir, Juan and can sure tell you about riding a PC in the wind! I never knew that 900+ pounds of bike, gear, and rider could go sideways like that! Once we got onto the berm where the pavement was abrasive enough to prevent lateral motion, we were able to go far enough to find shelter, such as it was. Ask me about the Whooping Crane Inn someday. One tornado was just three or four mile behind us and took out a drive-in theater (that had been planning to show "Twister" later that night!). May I never in my life be near Saskatoon on the 4th of July again. The bikes were leaned over, into the wind, farther than the normal "sidestand lean." Used up more than a year's worth of adrenaline. The thing sure is a sail, but faithful and, once you get to know it, fairly predictable. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millenniium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: CLASS clothing requirements From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 21 Jul 1996 19:16:12 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "RAH" == "Richard A Hardy" writes: RAH> Can anyone tell me if Pridemore's CLASS requires a full set of RAH> leathers? Thanks. No personal experience, but people who have taken the class have said on rec.moto that an Aerostich full suit is acceptable, but just about nothing else is. You should probably call them and tell them what you hae in mind for the final word. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:45:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Communicators and Radios Could I get some feedback on some of the inexpensive communicators and radios out on the market. i.e.Nady, The Communicator ( by Collett Electronics), Maxon Thanks. Frank Ferrante 96' PC 800 HSTA # 6984 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:23:54 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: MDTurley CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Typical yet > If anyone would like I could post my 9 day journal of the trip from VA back to MT. I'd enjoy reading it! -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas 1989 Honda PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:34:22 -0700 From: "Randy Spencer" Subject: Radio installation? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu When the PC came out in '89 there was a Kenwood optional radio that you could get for it. This is no longer available and every radio company I have contacted disavows any knowledge of available options. What options have people in this group found. I am currently looking at getting any of the Sony stereos due to their wired remote. I don't know how I would get a display on the dash but one step at a time. I also have been looking at ways to install the 4" speakers that the bike has mounting places for. If I mount the speakers and put the plastic dash pieces back they sound won't get out. I could cut out the pieces that cover the mounting places, but I can't figure out what to cover them back up with. I have seen people have have drilled lots of holes in the cover but I don't believe this is what Honda had in mind, it isn't really attractive. I am currently looking at drilling the holes and then covering it with a piece of speaker cloth, but I don't know what that will look like. Any advice from people who have thought about this before? pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:32:58 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 00:33:26 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: 9 day trip intro To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <31F07622.3A03@wtp.net> <31F31E7A.1763@mail.eden.com> Keith W Rogers wrote: > > >MDTurley wrote: >> If anyone would like I could post my 9 day journal of the trip from VA back to MT. > > I'd enjoy reading it! Intro: ( to 9 day purchasing trip to get my PC800 last June 95) I used to belong to America Online. On the Cycle World forum there is a E-mail group much like this one. Soon after I discovered the group, I stumbled on a discussion about the Pacific Coast. The talk was about the drawbacks to a Pacific Coast. We all know them but I will repeat what was being said. 1. The gas tank is too small. 2. The bike is underpowered with 2 up. There was some other discussion but mostly things like windshields and such. I had be wanting an ST1100 ever since I had test rode one a the warmups to the US GP at Laguna Seca Monterry CA. I had met my brother ( who lives in LA) and we enjoyed a few days at the races with some mutual friends. That's another story. With two college age children I continued to want a ST1100 some much that I had gone to the Honda shop and gotten a flyer from the small dealer here in Billings. The dealer here is so small they didn't / don't have an ST1100 or a Pacific Coast. The flyer is the Sport Touring leaflet and has both the ST1100 and the PC in the same flyer. Would want to start a fight, but they looked so similar and it hit me that even though I couldn't afford an ST1100 I might be able to swing a Pacific Coast. I got on the E-mail with AOL and began quizzing folks about the PC. I wasn't too concerned about the small gas tank or the lack of power. I've always enjoyed riding great distances alone. I not in a hurry anymore and I enjoy the solitude and being able to set my own pace. It occured to me if the bike is "not wildly popular" as one AOL member put it, that the resale value might reflect that, and that I might be able to get a very good deal. So I asked about any PC's for sale. I got a couple of offers from Atlanta, Knoxville etc, but nothing close or a great deal. Then I got an offer from a guy in Richmond VA. He said he was getting a bigger bike because he also felt the PC was "a bit under powered" but he also mentioned that his wife was "a large woman" ;-) He offer the bike for sale at $3000 and it had 7000 miles on it. I asked if it had been wrecked. He said no. I asked if it had been tipped over. He said yes, both sides, but that the damage was minimal. We made the deal after I discussed it with my brother who was familiar with my riding style as well as the Pacific Coast. ( I had never even seen one) I made the deal after pricing airline tickets one way to Richmond. So to make a short story long, I bought it without ever seeing one. Turned out to be not dumb at all. It is the best bike I have ever had. Cont. -- see Mon pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 02:59:58 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:00:43 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: mon trip report - Flight out To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <31F07622.3A03@wtp.net> <31F31E7A.1763@mail.eden.com> MON Flew from Billings Logan Int'l Airpot to the new new Denver International Airport. It is large, well marked with travelling people mover type conveyers.. Very easy to find the gates and light rail Trains take you to and from the baggage area. The Aircraft was a 737-400. Flew straight across Iowa and Lake Michigan to Detroit. Change planes in Detroit ( a small airport that manages to have all the new cars built in the area in the lobby! Left Detriot directly over a Great Lake ( which one?) over Cleveland? and on into Dulles - nice flight. Dulles is the nastyist airport I've ever be in. And I have seen some bad ones. Dulles is dirtyer than Terhan ( which was actually spotless) worse than Bogata and Tegulcigalpa combined. Next time I will try Wash DC National. Took a comuter flight that was overbooked by a dozen people due to an equipment change. Thought I might not get on, but I made the flight. My Pacicfic Coast seller / owner recognized my Montana Rail Link Hat ( I work as a Locomotive Engineer) see our unoffical web site at: http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~timharri/mrl.html EXCERPTS FROM MY ACTUAL JOURNAL: We exchanged introductions. His wife was a very nice gal and "a large woman" was an understatement. I had to bungie one of my bags on the passenger seat. I had taken a bit too much stuff. I expected to have just a bit more storage space. It was already dusk, but I managed to make it to Charlottesville about 9pm. The bike runs sweet & just loafs along at 55-60 it seems to be pressing just a tad at 75 but accelerates to 85 very easily. Didn't go very fast and cruised 60-70 most of the time. Didn't want to stop. I'm like a kid with a new motorcycle. I was dissapointed that the windshield was in horrible shape. I can't hardly see through it. I'll have to see if I can get a new one in route. CONT. -- SEE Tue pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:13:35 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:14:29 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Tue trip journal To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <31F07622.3A03@wtp.net> <31F31E7A.1763@mail.eden.com> TUE Left Charlottsville west -- travelled on the Blue Ridge Parkway - Good road and winding but the speed limit is 45. I don't want to get stopped because I am running on the old owners plates. He gave me a letter OKing that on the Campus Letterhead for Martha Washington College. He is a Campus Cop there. Had to get back on I 64 at Buena Vista and on to Beckley. I asked a couple of Gold Wing riders about the Toll for the Virginia turnpike. They suggested that I forget the Turnpike and take a tour with them to see the tallest single span Arch Bridge in the world. Gauly bridge is the town and I was surprised to learn that the bridge was completed in 1977. This whole area is coal country and is picturesque, but there are a lot of tar paper shack type homes. There are also alot of VERY nice homes. Seems like folks here have alot or nothing. Not much middle class income here. West Virginia is probably only 150 miles across. This is one of the prettist places I've ever seen. Ended up doing 650 miles in West Virginia over the course of two days with my new riding buddies. pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 03:25:16 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:25:48 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: WED trip journal To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <31F07622.3A03@wtp.net> <31F31E7A.1763@mail.eden.com> Tired of looking over and through this windshield. It is the tall Honda windshield, but it is dangerous. Got into Charleston WV and found a Honda Dealer. Had them change the final drive oil. It seems a bit noisy. It was a bit dirty, but no metal visable in it. Must be normal. Also getting a growl from the tires. They are the originals and have nearly 8000 miles on them now. Getting much thinner than I am used to. Nice place, Charleston Honda, big, but no Pacific Coast parts at all and of course no windshield or tires to fit. "OK no windshield, how about a hack saw? I'll just cut the damn thing off so that I can see over it". Figure I can pick one up in St. Louis for sure. cont. see Thurs I'll finish the rest of this later. MT in MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:38:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: CLASS clothing requirements The following is a quote form the current CLASS brochure: Personal Essentials - Valid Driver's License with a Motorcycle Endorsement. You must provide driver's license at sign-in. - Full-faced helmet. Damage-free; Snell-approved preferred but DOT-approved mandatory and should be 5 years or newer. - Leather jacket and leather pants. One or two piece leather suites approved; zip together not required. Also acceptable with proper reinforced and/or padded shoulder, elbow, hip, and knee are: Aerostitch suits, BMW Gor-Tex suits and Motorsport (I'm sure they mean Motoport) suit. Chaps will NOT be accepted. - Leather gauntlet-style gloves which come up over the wrists and extend over the cuffs of your suit. - Leather boots which cover your ankles. High-tops will NOT be accepted. Motorcycle Prerequisites - Clean, street-worthy motorcycle - Strong brakes - Must have displacement of 250cc or larger - Positively no fluid leaks of any kind - For safety reasons we require virtually new tires. We require 90 to 95% tread depth, from middle to sides, remaining when you arrive at the track. - Stock Exhaust preferred but not mandatory. However, be aware that Laguna Seca Raceway in Monterey, California, has a strict 92 Sound Decibel Level. Although some aftermarket silencers for pipes have been known to squeeze by, most do not. Please don't risk being asked to leave by Laguana Seca's track officials. Your CLASS tuition will no be refunded due to noise polution. - Draining coolant, taping glass, and safety wiring is not required. We do ask that you either tape over or remove your mirrors and deactivate your brake light. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:35:54 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Body Steering Hi Jan: In a message dated 96-07-21 20:48:26 EDT, you write: << Using your body to change the center of gravity is just as effective as using the handlebars to change it. Both are effective techniques. The debate is over which is better in racing and emergency situations. Reg and his CLASS push the body steering technique as better. I've seen alot of information advocating countersteering (mostly in rec.moto) as the only way to go. I don't know which is better, but I do know that I'm able to take corners at higher speeds and less lean angle using the body steering technique in addition to countersteering, instead of countersteering alone. >> I have no doubt, Jan, that you can turn your bike with your hands off the bars by using one form of "body steering;" that is, by shifting your weight to move the center of mass laterally; this is the real part of "body steering." But you simply can't effect a significant change in the center of mass simply by exerting extra leg-muscle pressure on a foot peg or a tank; this is the "myth" part of "body steering" as it is typically explained by guys like Reg. For that part to work, you must be holding the hand grips, which of course you should normally be doing anyway and which racers do without fail when cornering. Weight shift works great on a bicycle, because the rider outweighs the vehicle by a factor of 5 or 10 to 1. But when the bike outweighs the rider by a ratio of 3 or 4 to 1, the mechanics of the situation make weight shift a highly ineffective steering technique. It's ok for making minor changes in direction or line corrections, but no one, not even Reg [if you think he said that, you weren't listening closely enough], would assert that body steering is "just as effective as countersteering." That is physically impossible. Countersteering is the only way to produce the roll rates necessary to make an effective swerve or to change direction in any major way. Body steering is a fine way to add finesse and precision to your riding style, but if you try to rely on it as a primary steering technique, it'll get you killed. As for being able to take corners at a higher speed or at smaller lean angles by using lateral weight shift, I agree partially. You can certainly take corners at smaller lean angles by shifting your weight to the inside of the turn (i.e., "hanging off"), but in the case of a large street motorcycle you are talking only a few degrees difference max. But a few degrees can make the difference between scaping something and not; so, in some situations it is certainly worth considering. However, unless you are scraping motorcycle parts on the ground, lateral weight shift does not permit higher cornering speeds. That is, if cornering speed is being limited by ground clearance problems rather than traction limits, then shifting your weight to the inside of the turn will get the motorcycle off the ground so that you can make the corner at a slightly higher speed. But if cornering speed is being limited by the traction available, then lateral weight shift will not help at all. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Jul 96 15:07:33 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List , "\"Randy Spencer\"" Subject: Re: Radio installation? Randy, Just a couple of months ago I set up a tank bag-mounted stereo system for my PC. It works very well. The key is to get a high power stereo w/ a minimum of 25 watts per channel. Mine is a Kenwood #6001. I also got Kenwood speakers. the 4" speakers mount right in with no problem, the dash frame is made to accept them. I used an Xacto knife to cut out the holes in the dash. I discovered that the grills that came w/ the speakers were just a tad small, so I got another set of metal covers at the local Radio Shack. One cover for a 6X9 should have enough material for both PC openings. Using tin snips, I cut out the snape I needed, using the cut-out pieces for a guide. I then sniped and bent and sniped and bent the mesh around the same cut-out pieces until the grill fit right into to hole. It takes time and patience, but works well. I fixed the grills in place w/ a hot glue gun, then later backed it up w/ some epoxy. A couple of minutes w/ a black magic marker fixed the edges of the plastic showing and covered any scratched spots on the grill. I'm happy w/ the results. Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:47:32 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: premium gas Hi all, Just a few words about the use of premium unleaded in the PC. I used it in my first '89 PC and after about a year, I could really smell the gas fumes. Took it in, and they said the carburetor needed a new gasket kit, or something like that. Since the petcock situation has come up, I was wondering if that was the reason mine had the carb problem. I have only used regular and plus unleaded in my '90 PC. Would putting in a carb cleaner every now and then do the same damage as using premium fuel? Any comments would be appreciated. Jim Mangum Hou. Tx. pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:27:21 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:28:12 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > > To MDTurley from Tim Macy, Portland, OR ('94 PC--bought new) > > Interesting intro to a bike! I've never checked out the AOL discussion > group, but I would have to disagree with both of their conclusions re: The > PC800. As to the size of the gas tank: As compared to what? I always had > cruisers before the PC, and 100 miles was my limit. Now I regularly go > 175-200 miles between fills. And that's plenty enough for me, because I need > to get off occasionally! > > As to the "underpowered" aspect: Once again, as compared to what? At least > half of the 30K I've got on my StealthMobile is 2-up, as my wife and I > regularly take long trips on the bike. The two of us on the bike, plus > luggage, maxes out the 369-pound weight limit. My gas mileage doesn't suffer > at all (anywhere from 46-56 mpg, depending up speed, roads, etc), and we've > pulled passes at over 10,000 feet out here in Oregon, Washington and > California usually without having to shift from 5th. The only time we have > to go down a gear is when we're behind some snail in a 4-wheeler. On the > Interbore we usually average 70-85 mph between cities and that doesn't strain > the bike at all. > > I have come to the same conclusion as you: This is the best bike I've ever > owned. I've found that most people who come to less-than-favorable > conclusions about the PC have never owned one. As I indicated, I am also not dismayed in any way with the range or performance of my PC. The only negative thoughts I have ever had are it would be nice to see the sights instead of the site of a gas station. I need to stop more often. I've ridden as far as 705 miles in a day comfortably. Hard to see the sights that way. MT in MT -- will continue to copy my trip journal tonight. pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:54:29 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:55:22 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: DAY5 of trip journal To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu <31F07622.3A03@wtp.net> <31F31E7A.1763@mail.eden.com> <31F33B0C.2FC8@wtp.net> Day 5 of trip Spent the night in Morehead KY - home of Morehead college. West on US 60 and followed signs that advertized the Blue Grass Driving Tour (State route 1681) Dropped down to Versalles. Pict of waterfall right next to the road. Took a wrong turn and ended up taking a 40 mile loop on a very senic road. Continued west on US 44 and then back on US 60 (because Indiana 66 closed due to high water). Crossed back over the Ohio river and was chased down by a guy who wanted to ask me about the Pacific Coast. He seemed ready to prove that Kentucy folks are the friendliest in the US. I wonder if he has lived anywhere else? We were stopped right by the Channelton locks. Due to the high water a tugboat had run into the locks and a couple of barges casized ending up smashed and sunk againt the base of the locks Went over the river again (North) to look but the road was closed. Went east on Indiana 66 and then soth on US 231 to Owensboro and promtly got turned around and lost. Finally managed to get back on US 60 and spent the night at Larry's motel in Morganfield KY (about 12 miles from IL border) (Ohio River) This will be the 4th time to cross the Ohio. It is high and unusually muddy. Locals say it is usually clear and blue. MT in MT to be cont. see Day 6 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:20:14 -0700 From: George Barsky To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC 800 Matching paint Do you know where to get the matching Honda paint color for the 1995 PC800 silver trim? Is there an equivalent automotive color which PC maintainers have been able to identify? I only need a small amount for airbrushing touch up. Also the pearlescent overspray color. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: George Barsky Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800 Matching paint From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 22 Jul 1996 23:39:23 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "GB" == George Barsky writes: GB> Do you know where to get the matching Honda paint color for the 1995 GB> PC800 silver trim? Did you try your dealer? I bought a few bottles of silver trim paint for my '94 PC from my local dealer. I don't have the paint color handy, but it's in the parts fiche. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: "MDTurley" , Subject: Re: Broken tabs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:18:53 +0200 Hi MT, how did you replace the borken tabs with alu-ones ? I had my frontfork serviced recently and the mechanic broke one of the tabs, however he denies that (of course). Ascon ---------- > From: MDTurley > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Broken tabs > Date: maandag 15 juli 1996 6:52 > > All, > > It is real easy to break off the two rear tabs on the front disk brake covers. Mine are now > aluminium :) I had to replace a bulb in the front brake cover light. You say what disk > brake cover lights? My PC's previous owner replaced the side rflectors with lights the > same size and color as the reflectors. Neat idea. His installation? So So. > > MT in MT > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:29:32 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Oh, my God, a scratch. Hi, all, Yes, it happened. My '89 got a scratch on the left side of the trunk. It's about 3 inches long and looks worse than my first pimple did over 35 years ago. If I ever find the infidel who scared my baby..... Anyway, I have some Honda cover up paint and tried to apply it, and ended up making it look even worse somehow. I took it off and tried again--and still it looked terrible. So I took off that coat and decided to come here where the experts are. Now, keep in mind that I'm as good at painting as I am at brain surgery, and tried it just about as often. Thanks in advance. Like it's been stated recently, this group is certainly appreciated for it's wit and wisdom, this letter aside. Alan '89 PC800 (wounded) '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:00:13 PDT Subject: Re: Oh, my God, a scratch. To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Well, Alan, I share your misery. Some bottom-feeder at the Hoot this year wedged his VX 600 Shadow into my otherwise cherry '90 PC800. One of the first things I tried was buffing out the scratch with very fine polishing compound. It helped. Unfortunately, the Honda touch up paints are grim, at best. My best match came from the Chaparal (sp?) catalog which has aerosol color matched paints for the PC800. I prefer the airbrush, too, and found that the stuff Chaparal sells can do a very good job as long as elbow grease and patience are exercised. I transferred their stuff into my airbrush bottles. Best of luck. I'm sure others will respond with good advise. I, too, look forward to seeing their responses to your message. John Louk, Indianapolis '90 PC800 - "Tupperware Tourbike" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:26:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: premium gas Hi Jim: I'm not sure what the effect of using aftermarket carb cleaners will have on the fuel system (although I think most of them are principally methanol which in hight concentrations has been known to cause problems in the past with things like plastic floats and the like), but I'm curious about you are considering it. Are you having problems with the carbs? If not, I can see no reason for using it on any sort of routine basis. It is my understanding that all the major brands use essentially the same additive package in all grades of their gasolines. The only difference is in the components that affect the octane rating. Consequently, there should be no need for adding other stuff. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:33:42 -0400 To: FF731@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Communicators and Radios Please check the mailing list archives. This entire communication thing has been beaten to death..... IMHO Z pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:09:33 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dana L. Sawyer wrote: > > I agree with you...the PC is a great bike! > > Those that disagree have never owned one! > > My PC is sorta like our Siberian Husky...a faithful, true companion...and > beautiful, too! > > Dana My PC is more loyal than my dog. At least it waits for me. ;-) MT in MT pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:12:09 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:12:51 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Broken tabs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ascon deVries wrote: > > Hi MT, > how did you replace the borken tabs with alu-ones ? > I had my frontfork serviced recently and the mechanic broke one of the > tabs, however he denies that (of course). > > Ascon I just superglued them on. They don't support much weight. the just stabilize the rear fart of the fender. MT in MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:41:59 -0500 (CDT) To: MDTurley From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Broken tabs Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu MT, Are you sure as to how the tabs got ripped off?? The fourth last word in your reply makes it "sound" as if something else may have "ripped" them off. Must have been a dandy and I am glad I was not around for the after effects.:-) Bob >Ascon deVries wrote: >> >> Hi MT, >> how did you replace the borken tabs with alu-ones ? >> I had my frontfork serviced recently and the mechanic broke one of the >> tabs, however he denies that (of course). >> >> Ascon >I just superglued them on. They don't support much weight. the just stabilize the rear fart >of the fender. > >MT in MT >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:37:19 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:38:12 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Day 6 trip journal To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu DAY 6: Excerpts from the journal (added comments in ()) On to Murphysboro Il. Seemed like a hop and a jump even in a light misting rain. Found the old train station about 9am - it's now a restaraunt. BBQ - bar - nice place. Wasn't open till 11am. Wandered around a while and found the cemetery. Talked to the gravedigger and his asst. - He gave me a card from a funeral home. Called a very nice and entergetic gal named Teresa who went out of her way to find William H. Danner's grave (father in law) Teresa made 3 trips back and forth to town. The cemetery was in very good shape. (We had heard that there was some vandalism) State Hwy 3 closed at Chester IL due to flooding on the Mississippi. Made about a 60 mile detour and got into St. Louis about 2pm. Found Uncle Jack's (in Affton) and we went for a tour of St. Louis. Jefferson Barracks Nat'l cemetery then Downtown, Union Station (Mall now) & riverfront near the Arch. The water is 8 steps from the all time record and 11 steps from flowing over the top and into the basement style visitors center. We then went over to Fairview Heights to see my G'Pa, took him to Denney's and then took him home about 9:30. I was surprised to notice he has a Nintendo in his room. I knew he had an electronic address book but a Nintendo is somewhat unusual for a 92 year old, I would think! Went back to Jack's and talked til nearly midnight. cont - see DAY 7 MT in MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:01:54 -0400 To: michael.ditullio@lmco.com From: birch@top.monad.net (David Birchenough) Subject: Re: any seats for sale / exhaust systems Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >A guy I work with, who lacks internet access, is interested in a Corbin seat >if anyone has one for sale. Michael: Just so happens I have, for sale, a Corbin seat for a PC800. Used just once and in perfect condition. It's black with ghost piping, fits any Pacific Coast, and has the adjustable driver lumbar support. It's yours for only $199. Contact me and tell me where to ship it. Dave David Birchenough Mac By Design 23 Nubanusit Road Marlborough NH 03455 birch@monad.net Make it a great day! pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:59:56 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Day 7 & 8 trip journal To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (Added comment in the journal in ()) DAY 7: Went straight up north along the Mississippi river as much as possible via State route 79. A state trooper stopped to see if I need help as I was putting on the rain suit. He didn't ask to see my paperwork. Just said "long way from home" as he noticed the Virginia plates. I agreed. (Well I WAS a long way from home in Montana!) He said the road was open & it turned out there was only one detour due to high water. Evidence of high water was everwhere, I could see where the water had been over the road I was riding on. Spent the night in a very nice little motel in Humbolt, Iowa. DAY 8: RAIN - only made it about 200 mi to Canton SD. Wasn't to wet or cold, but the wind was so bad it is dangerous when travelling due north. Wind right out of the east. wants to sweep me right off the road. Crossed the centerline a few times in a gust. Wet roads and thin tires don't help. I had tried to get tires and a new windshield in St. Louis and a beautiful Honda shop (behind a Honda auto dealership) but they "Don't carry Pacific Coast parts except for oil filters" I've figured out the one thing I don't like about this bike and it's not a problem with the bike. Parts have to be ordered! Nobody stocks them. My cut off windshild is useless. I've duct taped the seams on my (full face) shield and have stayed resonably dry except for hands are wet and cold. Holed up in a little motel (Canton, SD) dried out ate at Pizza Hut. Watched TV. Found out there were 7 tornados on the ground 3 counties away. I had just come through there! Nice to relax and read my book. cont- see DAY 9 MT in MT pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:33:23 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:34:07 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: DAY 9 & 10 end To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu DAY 9: After virtually an entire trip in the rain, with the exception of the beautiful weather in WV, I am running late. Got up to I-90 and headed west. Still raining. Looking at the radar on TV, I had decided to see if I could run out the west edge of the storm. The wind is out of the NW now. It worked and the weather got better and better. I have avoided the interstate the entire trip (except for a short section from Richmond to Charlottsville) Now I need to make some time and I have seen this area of the country before. I thought I could make it home. Kept a steady 85 mph most of the way, no cops this time. Usually WY cops are thick & mean :). Stopped in Sheridan WY after dark. I don't ride at night out here 'cause the deer are just to thick at night. Turned out the motel clerk was the sister of a guy at work. Now I know I'm getting close to home. Everbody knows everbody. Supposed to be back to work tomorrow. 705 miles today DAY 10 (of a 9 day trip) Blasted back home on I-90 ( an hour and a half trip ) I wish I had time to ride over Hwy 14. (One of my favorite day rides) Still haven't gotten enough riding, wish I had time for more. Rolled into my driveway about 9:00am. Back ran flawlessly the entire trip with 7000 miles on the plugs and tires. avg over 50 mpg for the trip including the 40-45 mpg I got yesterday at 85mph. I'm going to enjoy this thing. And the thing I like about the best is it's different from anything around here. (Montana is real Harley country) (Sorry if I bored the PC800 group with this journal, but it sure was a nice adventure for me) about 2400 miles total in 9-10 days including siteseeing. MT in MT Michael D Turley 2715 Poly dr Billings, MT MDTurley@wtp.net 406-656-8718 '89 PC800 "not a white Elephant" Accessories included: The large Honda windshield, Passenger backrest & handholds. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:22:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '89 PC for sale Hi Ho folks, After much deliberation, the (future) wife and I have decided the PC will be the next to leave our family. Hence, it is for sale. The details: '89, "white", with 15.2k miles. Excellent condition save slightly scratched right side "outriggers" and slightly cracked, scratched right mirror housing from a no-speed drop in dirt. (don't ask; i shouldn't even have been on it at the time... :( The bike is near Medford, OR. Extras: Tall Hondaline windshield (still have stock size as well) Hondaline PC cover Honda PC shop manual two matching Honda Helmets, sizes S,L Hondaline passenger backrest New ML2+ rear tire (<500 miles) Asking $3900 Please respond privately to one of the addresses below. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S Southern Oregon State College '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." york@wpo.sosc.osshe.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: MDTurley Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: DAY 9 & 10 end Michael, you haven't bored anyone. Thanks for taking the time to post your journal. All of us have had some, or all of the same experiences, so, it brings back memories. Funny, isn't it how even the bad parts of a trip (weather, etc.), seem good on remembering from a comfortable perspective. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:43:33 -0400 To: eryork@nmsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale Say it ain't so ...........!!!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:41:47 -0400 To: birch@top.monad.net, michael.ditullio@lmco.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: any seats for sale / exhaust systems Why are you selling the seat?? pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:07:15 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:08:01 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Broken tabs To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu MDTurley wrote: > > Ascon deVries wrote: > > > > Hi MT, > > how did you replace the borken tabs with alu-ones ? > > I had my frontfork serviced recently and the mechanic broke one of the > > tabs, however he denies that (of course). > > > > Ascon > I just superglued them on. They don't support much weight. the just stabilize the rear fart > of the fender. > > MT in MT That's PART not fart! :-) MT in MT "The typemaster" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:21:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Say it ain't so ...........!!!!!!! > ok, it ain't so. It also ain't so that i hope to go into debt for a shiny new ST1100. ;) Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:58:54 -0700 (MST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Matching Paints & "Oh my God, a Scratch!" This is a sort of a general response to the various postings regarding matching paints. Sorry it's so long, but it should help everyone understand PC800 paint issues once and for all... As most of you have probably found, usually the only paint you can get to even come close to matching a PC800 (or most motorcycles, for that matter) is the tiny touch-up paint bottles, and they usually don't really match well. Purchasing "matching" paints in other forms is usually impossible. Honda doesn't (or at least didn't used to... I haven't checked in a while) sell those paints in pints or quarts, and very few, if any aftermarket paint manufacturers bother to mess with the stuff. This is, in part, because of the difficulty that American paint manufacturers have matching the colors precisely. There are several reasons that Japanese motorcycle paints are so difficult to match: 1. Most of the motorcycle manufacturers won't give out the formulas to anyone, so the American manufacturers must rely on spectral analysis, which is often unsuccessful (or beyond most manufacturer's willingness to spend the money), in part because of items 2 and 3, below. 2. PC800 colors are actually several coats of different colors, sealed with a clearcoat, for depth, so spectral analysis is difficult, and no touch-up paint could, therefore, possibly match. 3. The Japanese complicate matters by using organic compounds (as opposed to pure petroleum distillates, like American and European paint manufacturers) in their motorcycle paints (organic compounds like, believe it or not, tree saps, for example), making a truly accurate match virtually impossible (or at least deceivingly difficult) even if a paint manufacturer decides to throw expense to the wind and try the spectral analysis anyway. The problem is compounded by the fact that getting a proper color match on metallic paints sealed in clearcoat (which all PC800 colors are) has as much to do with the METHOD BY WHICH IT IS APPLIED as it does the pigments themselves. This is particularly true with the '89 PC800 and its pearl white metallic color. Any body shop painter at a Lexus automobile dealership will tell you what a nightmare it can be getting pearl white just right. It involves painstakingly proper preparation of the surface, proper thinning of the pigments before application, absolutely correct ambient temperature, then application of multiple flash base coats of brilliant white, separated by intermediate sanding and dust removal, then application of just the right number of properly thinned flash coats of the pearl color (all the time determining, with remarkable accuracy, when each coat is set up enough to flash-on the next one), all followed by multiple clearcoats for depth. Unless the painter is terribly experienced and/or has been through a special seminar from PPG or some other equivalent company, it almost certainly won't be right the first time. And that's even if you're using a paint that's allegedly a "perfect" match, which is a whole different problem. So, where does one obtain such paint for a PC800? Well, when I mounted a high brake light onto the fiberglas area right behind the passenger seat on my '89, after I did the Bondo work and made it look as if it had been done at the factory, I needed the entire clamshell lid painted with the pearl white color. It took me over two months to find a small paint manufacturer (and I mean SMALL) in... I think it was Chatsworth, California (but don't hold me to that just yet)... who understood the subtleties of making paints for motorcycles (and who also understood the whole Japanese organic compound thing). His paint comes in three parts: One can of brilliant white, another can of pearl, and then a final can of clearcoat. Unfortunately, it's expensive, but by God, IT MATCHES! Perfectly -- but ONLY if it's applied PRECISELY as the manufacturer instructs. (IMPORTANT NOTE: The degree to which it will match is also dependent upon the degree to which your paint has been faded by the sun. It's not so bad with the pearl white and the black bikes -- although they fade as well -- but the red ones fade very quickly. Most don't notice it because it's so gradual. But you would notice it if you painted just one part of a three or four year-old bike with the original color and then compared the newly-painted part to the other parts, which would probably look faded by comparison.) Once you've purchased the paint, finding a GOOD painter is absolutely CRITICAL. Not just any automobile painter can do it. YOU MUST SHOP AROUND!!!!! And you must insist that the painter forget whatever he THINKS is the right way to do it, and just follow the paint manufacturer's instructions, no matter how wrong or stupid the painter might think they are. The bottom line is: If you scratch your PC800 too badly, repairing the damage quickly and chaply so it won't show is nearly impossible. But if you're willing to spend the bucks, it can be done to look nearly factory new. It's just a major pain in the rear. I can't remember the name of the paint manufacturer, but I have the paint cans from the paint I used in a storage shed about 70 miles from where I am right now. So if anyone wants to know the name of the paint manufacturer, you're going to have to give me a few days. But if you do, just let me know, and I'll make a posting on this list server some time next week. Also, I think I have some photos of the brake light, both mid-installation, and after final painting, that I could scan and post up on the PC800 website if anyone really cares to see it that much. But, frankly, you you can just visualize it if you want to. It's just a high brake light from any year Chrysler LeBaron convertible (which works out nicely when a bulb burns out since you can get a replacment ANYWHERE). I mounted it on top of the fiberglass area, about an inch behind the back of the passenger seat. (And, of course, I wired it up properly to one of the brake light wires.) The brake light itself mounts using two fiber screws and wingnuts, ie, you'll have to drill two holes into the PC's fiberglass -- you can bet I was holding my breath for that! Now, since the brake light bottom is is straight and the area onto which I mounted it is curved, I had to build-up beneath the ends of the brake light with filler and finishing bondo. Once the sanding was done and the whole thing looked as if it had been molded onto the trunklid at the time of manufacture, I masked-off the rest of the bike, removed the "Honda" and "Pacific Coast" decals from the other places on the trunklid with a hair dryer, roughed-up the paint on the entire trunk lid, and I applied three flash coats of an extremely high quality (and very expensive) gray primer (plain 'ol spray cans), separated by light sanding and proper dusting between coats (I left the last coat unsanded). Then I obtained the pearl paint (consisting of the white, pearl and clear) from the guy in California, and then found a guy locally who knew how to apply it (and could prove it to me by showing me other work he'd done). After he returned the bike to me, I let the paint cure for 30 days then I applied new "Honda" and "Pacific Coast" decals (ordered from the dealer) in the proper places. (Note, during the 30 days of curing, it's better to keep exposure to the sun to a minimum, although SOME exposure is perfectly okay, ie, ride like normal, but try to park it out of the sun.) If you saw the bike today, you couldn't tell it wasn't done at the factory. And I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone on this list on the idea of the safety value of "high" (or sometimes called "high-mounted" or "third") brakelights. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 17:42:37 -0500 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: New 96 for sale We have a new Honda dealer in town and they have one '96 red PC800. When I asked about price he said "The suggested retail is $8599 but we could probably do a little better than that". The dealer is Meridian Honda in Meridian Mississippi. Their number is 601-485-8700. BTW- I'm not associated with the dealer in any way. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:26:57 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Oh, my God, a scratch. Alan D. Smith wrote: >So I took off that coat and decided to come here where the experts are. >Now, keep in mind that I'm as good at painting as I am at brain surgery, and >tried it just about as often. Would it be beyond the bounds of logic to conclude from this that you have two failed attempts at brain surgery to your credit? ;-) Although I'm reasonably proficient mechanically, I'm totally inept at all things that involve paint. ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 19:50:54 +0600 From: "jhyder" To: "PC800 list" Subject: Re: Matching Paints & "Oh my God, a Scratch!" Content-Id: <16_63_1_838165854> Gregg wrote, >And I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone on this list on the idea of the >safety value of "high" (or sometimes called "high-mounted" or "third") >brakelights. Sheesh! Safety's one thing, but I'd rather strap a light to my back than go to all the trouble and expense you went through to repaint after installing the thing. --James Hyder '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Roger Prince" To: "MDTurley" , Subject: Re: Broken tabs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:16:02 -0400 IMHO, Fart was FUNNIER. Roger > > I just superglued them on. They don't support much weight. the just stabilize the rear fart > > of the fender. > > > > MT in MT > That's PART not fart! :-) > > MT in MT "The typemaster" > -- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:04:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: bmontagu@capecod.net (William Montague) Subject: Feedback requested on PC800 Folks, I've been lurking here for a bit and thought I'd ask a question. I've been a closet admirer of the PC800, and I wonder if it might be a good match for my needs and riding style. I'm looking for a quiet, smooth and comfortable bike, with little required maintenance. I ride conservatively, and would like a bike that could be relied on for commuting to work (40 miles round trip)in any reasonable weather. I'm small--5' 7-1/2", and 150 lbs, so seat height is important. I must say, the weight of the PC800 seems imposing; it's 100lbs more than my current ride. Currently I ride an ancient Honda 750 which is fun, but a bit too frantic. Being 22 years old (the bike, not me--I'm 46!) , it certainly isn't low maintenance! I enjoy wrenching, but it's not an ideal daily driver. The PC800 always gets (reluctantly) good reviews. Lastly, are there any years to avoid? Common problems? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wiliam Montague Cape Cod, MA 23 Jul 1996 22:56:02 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:56:36 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Re: Feedback requested on PC800 To: William Montague Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu William Montague wrote: > > Folks, I've been lurking here for a bit and thought I'd ask a question. > I've been a closet admirer of the PC800, and I wonder if it might be a good > match for my needs and riding style. > > I'm looking for a quiet, smooth and comfortable bike, with little required > maintenance. I ride conservatively, and would like a bike that could be > relied on for commuting to work (40 miles round trip)in any reasonable > weather. I'm small--5' 7-1/2", and 150 lbs, so seat height is important. I > must say, the weight of the PC800 seems imposing; it's 100lbs more than my > current ride. > > Currently I ride an ancient Honda 750 which is fun, but a bit too frantic. > Being 22 years old (the bike, not me--I'm 46!) , it certainly isn't low > maintenance! I enjoy wrenching, but it's not an ideal daily driver. The > PC800 always gets (reluctantly) good reviews. > > Lastly, are there any years to avoid? Common problems? > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > Wiliam Montague > Cape Cod, MA I am responding directly to your e-mail address so you may get 2 copies of this. Sounds like a Pacific Coast would be ideal for your needs. It can bit slightly cumbersome at slow speed, but I'll wager it is easier to handle than your 750. Seat height would be about the same as a CB750 ( you didn't say which 750). I ride my bikes in all kinds of weather. At higher speed it should be easier and more nimble than the 750, but not as fast. The wheel base is slightly longer I think, that should make it less twitchy. I feel it is more stable and controlable than any bike I've owned. I've had crotch rockets that would out handle it, but not as stable on the highway. A full touring bike like my Gold Wing is rock steady on the highway, but is more difficult to ride around town and the Wing will not corner with the PC. Remember this is a sport-touring motorcycle, so it IS a compromise and a very good one. Many times compromise bikes do niether well, this one does both well. The PC800 is virtually unchanged except for color and windshield attachment throughout it's production beggining in '89. There were a couple of years that it was not produced, but I can't recall which years. Anyone? MT in MT "The Loco Engr" see http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~timharri/mrl.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:21:11 -0500 From: DORMAN To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Premium Gas Hi all, Just want to say thanks to Dana Sawyer and JTSMCRIDER for their response to my question about using Premium fuel in the PC. A friend of mine has always said that premium had more cleaner in it beside the higher octane, and that he uses it in his bikes. Of course, some bikes require higher octane due to higher compression, but that is not a factor with the PC. Thanks again for your time and knowledge. Jim Mangum pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:50:37 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 21:51:30 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Thanks. To: pc800 Thanks to all who expressed interest in my trip journal. Making a 3 week trip in Sept. -- 21 days of journal will cure you all of my stories! MT in MT (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:35:47 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:35:47 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: Oz pc owner I still cannot get on any system that allows me to get messages from pc owners in USA. Can you help, please. I know it is because I am not educated enough in the workings of this majordomo, but I have tried over and over and I can not make it work. It looks like I have to send 2 messages and I cant get them both correct. Please help Ron Grant ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:21:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: MDTurley Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Feedback requested on PC800 On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, MDTurley wrote: > William Montague wrote: > > > > Folks, I've been lurking here for a bit and thought I'd ask a question. > > I've been a closet admirer of the PC800, and I wonder if it might be a good > > match for my needs and riding style. > > > > > > Lastly, are there any years to avoid? Common problems? > > > > Wiliam Montague > > Cape Cod, MA > Sounds like a Pacific Coast would be ideal for your needs. It can bit slightly > cumbersome at slow speed, but I'll wager it is easier to handle than your 750. Seat > height would be about the same as a CB750 ( you didn't say which 750). I ride my bikes > in all kinds of weather. At higher speed it should be easier and more nimble than the 750, > but not as fast. The wheel base is slightly longer I think, that should make it less twitchy. > I feel it is more stable and controlable than any bike I've owned. I agree thaat the PC sounds ideal for your desires, Wiliam (William?) However, I find it to be one of the easier bikes to handle (IME) at low speeds by virtue of the under-seat gas tank. this lowers the center of gravity tremendously, making a 600+ pound bike handle like a much lighter bike when bopping around town or whipping u-ies, etc. It takes significant handlebar input at high speeds, but is surprisingly "flickable" for a fairly long wheelbase bike. Like MT, I too ride in all types of weather and find the protection to be excellent, especially with a larger than stock windscreen. There has been mention of premature stator failure on '89s i believe, but I will leave verification of that to those who have had the problem. At 16k miles, my '89 is perfect. Drawbacks? Screwy tire size spec. There are only two major manufacturers of high quality tires of the size that Honda spec'd for the bike: Metzler and DungSlop. (To you admirers of Dunlop, please forgive, I only jest) > The PC800 is virtually unchanged except for color and > windshield attachment throughout it's production beggining in '89. There were a couple > of years that it was not produced, but I can't recall which years. Anyone? > > MT in MT "The Loco Engr" > see http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~timharri/mrl.html > -- It was made in '89, '90, '94-'96. Eric York ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Jul 96 02:14:15 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: PC800 session at STAR '96 I was unable to attend this meeting since the state directors' meeting was scheduled at the same time. Did anything important transpire that we need to know about? Any particular comments, suggestions, etc. that need to be passed on? Anyone have tips, rumors, etc. concerning the presence or absence of a PC800 in the '97 model lineup? Please respond, someone...thanks! And...if you didn't attend STAR '96...shame on you! You can redeem yourself by making plans now to attend STAR '97, which will be held in Oklahoma! Information about exact date and location forthcoming...stay tuned! Dana Sawyer (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:42:09 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:55:45 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: any seats for sale systems I still have a backrest for a regular PC seat for sale...sold the seat tho.. -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:03:18 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: sreid@sover.net (Sean Reid) Subject: List Experience with Commercial Tours Dear PC800 List Members, A friend and I are looking in to beginning a motorcycle touring business in the Northeast and are interested in gathering information from riders who have done commercial tours or who would consider doing so. If you have done a tour, here or abroad, what company did you deal with and what were the strengths and weaknesses of the experience? Would you do it again? Why or why not? If you would do it again, what aspects would be most important to you the next time around? If you have never done a commercial tour but might do one in the future, what are your expectations? What would you most want from, lets say, a two week tour in the northeastern United States? I'd love to hear from American riders as well riders abroad who have ridden, or who might want to ride, in the U.S.. Please respond to my personal e-mail with any thoughts: sreid@sover.net Many thanks. - Sean Reid ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:06:29 -0400 To: MDTurley@wtp.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re:The 1997 PC 800 I spent a few days training at the Honda facility outside Atlanta. I had a number of conversations with the people there about the PC. They said they had a number of 1996s left in their warehouse, but they were happy with The sales of the model. There are no plans to discontinue the Pacific Coast. They made no mention of a specific 1997 model. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:20:38 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks Hi, all, A word of thanks to the suggestions regarding my wounded, scratched PC. Special mention to Gregg for sharing his knowledge and experience. What a group! Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:48:24 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Feedback requested on PC800 Hi William: Sounds like the PC is a good choice for you. My wife is 5' 7", and she has no problems handling her PC, and I know several other folks a bit smaller than that who ride a PC without a problem. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:07:15 -0400 To: bmontagu@capecod.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Feedback requested on PC800 RUN, don't walk to your nearest dealer, or hunt the archives for a member selling their bike. I don't know about the seat height issue, I'm 6'2", but for all your other requirements, it's going to be perfect. Z (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:42:50 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:42:50 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: oz pc owner O.K. folks, I am now on the list, thanks to all the suggestions and help. Looks like it will be lots of fun developing new contacts, and telling lies about our mounts! I knew I bought this computer for something! Catch you later. Ron Grant from Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Ron Grant B.Sc., Dip. Ed., M.Ed., P.Eng. by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 24 Jul 1996 17:06:35 -0500 (CDT) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA20861; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:26 -0700 (MST) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25691; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:24 -0700 (MST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:01:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: Re: Matching Paints & "Oh my God, a Scratch!" To: jhyder , PC800 list At 19:50 7/23/96 +0600, jhyder wrote: >Gregg wrote, > >>And I'm sure I don't have to sell anyone on this list on the idea of the >>safety value of "high" (or sometimes called "high-mounted" or "third") >>brakelights. > >Sheesh! Safety's one thing, but I'd rather strap a light to my back than go >to all the trouble and expense you went through to repaint after installing >the thing. > >--James Hyder > '89 PC800, 26K miles Obviously, ownership of your PC has not yet reached the point of religion. 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The Company is; Collett Electronics Ltd. #90 Durand Road Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 204-663-7692 Check it out.... ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews CNA/CNE Novell Certified Netware Engineer 1996 Honda Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" ________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:14:29 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: bmontagu@capecod.net (William Montague) Subject: Many, many, thanks to all Folks-- A couple days ago I posted a request for feedback regarding the suitability of the PC800 for my particular needs. I am stunned by the magnitude of the response from the group! I should also mention that the replies were very intelligent and detailed. I received far too many replies (all incredibly positive) to thank you all individually. Of all the replies, there were only a couple of very minor criticisms (windshield, seat) which seemed related to rider size. Obviously Honda has to build the bikes for some sort of average-sized person, so this is to be expected. I am going to seriously look for a good deal on a PC800 and see what I can find. Thanks again. It's much appreciated. William Montague Cape Cod, MA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:55:20 -0400 (EDT) To: deselms@primenet.com From: GEORGE BARSKY Subject: Matching Paint Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Gregg, Thank you for your most interesting comments about Japanese motorcycle paints. But I still wonder if there is an American automotive paint(s) commonly available which can come within half an angstrom of the right wavelength to please the human eye and mind even though it may not be 100%. I guess most PCer's are very fussy about their bikes but need we be so ultra precise about a variance in color that it would be undetectable to 99.9% of us anyway? It certainly would look better than a s-c_-r@^atc...h and a tad cheaper than always buying replacement parts each time. Otherwise we can become less fussy or even attempt to be more careful to avoid the problem altogether, i.e., ignore it or don't let it happen - but neither of those are about to happen. Nonetheless, appreciate your responsiveness. George Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:16:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:06:15 -0700 To: bmontagu@capecod.net (William Montague), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Richard Stucky Subject: Re: Feedback requested on PC800 At 10:04 PM 7/23/96 -0400, William Montague wrote: >Folks, I've been lurking here for a bit and thought I'd ask a question. >I've been a closet admirer of the PC800, and I wonder if it might be a good >match for my needs and riding style. > >I'm looking for a quiet, smooth and comfortable bike, with little required >maintenance. I ride conservatively, and would like a bike that could be >relied on for commuting to work (40 miles round trip)in any reasonable >weather. I'm small--5' 7-1/2", and 150 lbs, so seat height is important. I >must say, the weight of the PC800 seems imposing; it's 100lbs more than my >current ride. > >Currently I ride an ancient Honda 750 which is fun, but a bit too frantic. >Being 22 years old (the bike, not me--I'm 46!) , it certainly isn't low >maintenance! I enjoy wrenching, but it's not an ideal daily driver. The >PC800 always gets (reluctantly) good reviews. > >Lastly, are there any years to avoid? Common problems? > >Any comments would be appreciated. > >Thanks in advance. > >Wiliam Montague >Cape Cod, MA > William, It's time you move into the NINETIES!!! I'm 5'6" 150lbs. and have been riding an 89 PC since 10/93. I commute 90 miles per day on my PC -every day in the summer and (when the weather is good) as often as possible in the winter. I did put a Corbin seat on the bike which I recommend you try. The bike is very low maintenance and a very smooth ride.... Give your antique a rest and get yourself a PC. Rich Stucky Rich Stucky Arachnid Software 408-342-9035 408-343-1257 FAX ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: J1043T@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:03:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: introduction hello everyone, my name is john congleton. I live in augusta, georgia and do most of my riding in north georgia, tennessee, and south carolina. my email address is J1043T@AOL.COM. I have a 1994 pc800 which i bought new in march 1994 and have since logged 20,000 miles with only a dead battery to complain about. some of the modifications to my bike are: Sony Stereo, I fabricated and located a remote control panel in the fairing. Cycle Comm CB/intercom/stereo interface. Custom striping (tastefully done), upper wing/spoiler, backrest, custom fabricated antenna mounts, custom made stainless steel trailer hitch, matching custom made trailer. I have also designed a new receiver hitch system which i hope to be producing within the next few weeks. all the modifications have been designed and fabricated by me with a little help from friends with machine shops. I would be more than happy to help with anything i can. ride safe john congleton assoc. AIA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:17:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Broken tabs Ascon recently noted that a mechanic broke one of the tabs (which he denies): Not only are mechanics prone to breaking tabs, they also have a propensity for losing the tapping screw that hides under the air duct/maintenance lid and holds on the side cover. I'm missing one (which the mechanic denies that he lost) and I have a friend that had the same thing happen at the same shop. Just an observation, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:44:03 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Broken tabs Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > Not only are mechanics prone to breaking tabs, they also have a propensity > for losing the tapping screw that hides under the air duct/maintenance lid > and holds on the side cover. (Cue Twilight Zone theme music) My 96 PC was delivered with one of those screws missing! No threads had been cut into its' recess, so it had never been installed at the factory. Very un-Honda like. ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Jul 96 11:52:17 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: oz pc owner >O.K. folks, I am now on the list, thanks to all the suggestions and help. >Looks like it will be lots of fun developing new contacts, and telling lies >about our mounts! I knew I bought this computer for something! Catch you >later. Ron Grant from Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. > Ron Grant B.Sc., Dip. Ed., M.Ed., P.Eng. Oh, you're from Queensland! No wonder it took you so long to sign on ;) (For those unfamiliar with Queensland's reputation in Australia, the following joke should explain things: Q. Why is XXXX (pronounced 4-X) Queensland's favourite beer? A. Because Queenslanders can't spell BEER Kidding aside, I got the chance to (briefly) visit Brisbane on a conference in 1988 and I had a great time with some really good and interesting people. Welcome aboard! Steve - (ex-Toronto Canada, now Irvine California) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:55:23 -0400 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: oz pc owner Welcome to the newsgroup. I would be very interested in the riding conditions in Queensland: Type of roads Weather Speed limits Hazards Available service for motorcycles Overnight accommodations Cost of fuel How often to you use your PC Thanks Bernie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 22:34:28 +0600 To: J1043T@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: introduction Content-Id: <22_63_1_838348468> Dear John, Welcome! Good to have you on the list! Since you asked, if you and your machinist friends ever come up with some elegant folding highway pegs that attach to the crash bars through the front openings in the crash bar covers without cutting through or damaging the covers (at least not seriously), PLEASE let me know. From day one, the lack of a place to stretch out my legs on rides over an hour has been my major complaint with the PC. To my surprise, considering how big a pain this is for me (literally!), no one else on this list seems to be bothered by it. The only solutions from the archives are: remove the covers and attach regular pegs, or cut through the covers and attach regular pegs. Although PC ownership may not have become a religion for me yet (q.v. note from Gregg DesElms), I have enough respect for the appearance of my bike that I am not interested in riding with two key pieces of bodywork missing or mutilated. (Well, all right, I could buy an extra set of covers, experiment with the cut-through options on my old ones, and have the new ones for the non-touring season, or as backups in case the experiments fail utterly. Maybe I still will.) But if you (or anyone else on the list) has the same problem, and has a solution or an idea for a solution, I'd love to hear about it. --James Hyder '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: introduction From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 25 Jul 1996 22:44:10 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "j" == jhyder writes: [Lack of highway pegs] j> To my surprise, considering how big a pain this is for me (literally!), j> no one else on this list seems to be bothered by it. I just put my feet on the covers and put my elbows on my knees. I know it's weird, but I find it quite comfortable. I'm sure it looks pretty weird, though. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cscales@haywire.csuhayward.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:17:17 -0700 (PDT) To: mailling list Subject: Motorcyclist magazine Howdy folks! Does anyone have the June 96 issue of Motorcyclist Magazine with the article on the PC??? I haven't been able to find one. If so could someone post it???? The magazine wants $8.00 for a back issue of a magazine that cost 3 bucks two months ago..... I would appreciate any feedback. chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 03:25:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: introduction James Hyder had complained that the inability to stretch out his legs was a problem: It is a problem, James, and I'm also surprised it's never been discussed here. I have a bad left knee (broke it in a m/c screwup three years ago) and it talks to me after about 400 miles. My right knee has never been damaged, but it also complains occasionally. Age, I guess. I'm 5'8" tall, so I don't imagine that this would work for anyone taller. I stretch my leg right up over the top of the fairing and rest my foot on the mirror. I can imagine a lot of people blanching as they read this and the number of safety-related responses it hypothetically could generate, but I only do it on Interbores or long straight stretches and only in limited situations that would not put me in a jeopardous (my word!) situation. I only have to do it for a minute or two and it really relieves the strain. The bike stays rock-solid, so that's not a problem. I also (like Jason Tibbs) put my feet on the fairing protectors and ride with my elbows on my knees. Or I stretch my feet past the protectors and lean my ankles on 'em. Gotta do what ya gotta do. I believe it was Bob Rufener who checked out an '89 in northern Wisconsin which had been "modified" by the owner--he cut away part of the front body panels and welded some really ugly "footpeg" pipes onto the frame. But then again this guy had also modified the windshield with a hacksaw and had put a 12-volt car battery in the trunk and drilled holes in the body to run really ugly cables to the front...so aesthetics was not a high priority on his list! Hey, Bob, that clown really wanted a lot for that mess, didn't he? If I recall correctly, he'd been working on too many running engines in too many closed garages, right? The problem with the PC is its aerodynamics. The fairing just forward of the legs juts out far enough that anything added to the bike as footpegs would have to stick waaay out from the body for the rider to be able to stretch his/her legs to the pegs. Can't imagine being able to do this and still maintain the aesthetics of the bike. Watch someone make a liar out of me now... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:00:09 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, J1043T@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Highway Pegs At 6'2", I also have a beef with the seating position. I seem to have become accustomed to it but a solution that doesn't require paint matching (see previous posts) would be worth looking at. The real problem seems to be the width of the fairing. Even when I try to extend my legs as if there were pegs, it seems that the fairing gets in the way. Z by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 26 Jul 1996 10:00:13 -0500 (CDT) by Snoopy.UCIS.Dal.Ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20515 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:55:10 -0300 (ADT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:55:11 -0300 From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Re: introduction To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >I just put my feet on the covers and put my elbows on my knees. I know I do this too; the other optional position is leaning forward a bit with my heels hooked on the passenger pegs. >it's weird, but I find it quite comfortable. I'm sure it looks pretty >weird, though. If you think that looks weird, try laying flat on the bike with your shins resting on the rear rollbar covers and your belly on the doghouse. Guaranteed your riding companions will drop back a kilometer or so. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: introduction From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 26 Jul 1996 11:02:30 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay writes: DM> If you think that looks weird, try laying flat on the bike with your DM> shins resting on the rear rollbar covers and your belly on the DM> doghouse. OK, try feet, with ankles crossed, on the right handgrip, head on wadded jacket on the passenger seat. Sure, the bike was on the centerstand at the time but that's probably a good thing considering that I was asleep. Who needs the comfy chair? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:01:59 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Old, tall (used) windscreen anyone? I wondered if anyone had a old (scratched, bug encrusted) or otherwise "used" tall windshield I could try out before buying a new one. (I'll cover round trip shipping) I'm 6'5" and the stock unit is too low, yet I really hate looking "thru" a windshield. I've attached some plexiglas extensions and if I can get a wind shield I can just look over I'd be happy. I'm thinking 4' over stock would suit me. Also, does anyone have any experience installing vents in their windshields to compensate for a vacuum created by the taller units? Thanks in advance! Dave Steven ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 16:41:28 PDT Subject: Assessories! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi all! The woeful lack of PC 800 accessories has always been a vexing problem. My spouse unit, however, views it differently in that she knows there is little for me to evacuate my wallet upon when I attend the Hoot or other neat venues. However, for those who wish to add termites to the list of dangers for their PC's, I did see a $249.00 wood dashboard overlay kit similar in function to those on Gold Wings. It covers the two side pocket covers, the speaker grills (with or without holes), the area between the side pockets and the "fuel tank", and surrounds the instrument cluster/ dashboard. The folks that had it had large color photos of an installation on a '90 PC 800. If you like the wood grain look, it's great. The pieces are very thin (1/8"), glossy finish, and have an adhesive on the back for securing them to the PC. They used a heat gun to activate the adhesive. (No, I didn't buy a set) If you're at the Homecoming at Marysville this weekend, they'll probably be there. Ride safe! John Louk Carmel, IN '90 PC "Tupperware Tourbike" johnl@wvpa.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Assessories! From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 26 Jul 1996 15:54:05 -0500 Lines: 15 >>>>> "j" == johnl writes: j> their PC's, I did see a $249.00 wood dashboard overlay kit similar in j> function to those on Gold Wings. Might as well go for the full 70's station wagon look and put wood paneling down the sides, too. Perhaps make some "RoadMaster" stickers, too. The sad thing about the current dearth of accessories is the fact that they used to make a whole bunch of them for the '89 model but have discontinued almost all of them. Hopefully someone will buy this wood overlay stuff so the company will be encouraged to make more (hopefully less gaudy) accessories. - J< (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:35 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:35 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: oz pc newcomer Thanks to all for the welcome messages, I would be most glad to make a little story about how I got my pc in a country where they are "outlawed", also to describe oz touring conditions to attempt to talk some of you into oz visit. Please send me questions over the next few days, and I will try to synthesize into an article. Regards, Ron Grant Ron Grant B.Sc., Dip. Ed., M.Ed., P.Eng. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:05:11 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:18:22 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: introduction the PROPER napping position on the bike is: ankles crossed over passenger BACKREST...butt on riders seat with back atop the tank...if your the right size, your head should fit snuggle between the handlbars : do not try this while operating a motor vehicle -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 23:13:33 -0400 To: ultspnch@ecn.net.au, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: oz pc newcomer I don't think you'll have to try very hard to talk anyone into visiting the Land Down-under but what do you mean the bike is "outlawed"? Z Chicago ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Dave Steven'" , "'PC800'" Subject: AW: Old, tall (used) windscreen anyone? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 12:06:30 +-200 Do what buy the tallest shield from Rifle and, if you don't like it, cut = it down to size! Cutting it will only take an hour or so, I wrote about = it e few weeks ago. Rob Ramsey ---------- Van: Dave Steven Verzonden: vrijdag 26 juli 1996 19:04 Aan: INTERNET:PC800@HPC.UH.EDU Onderwerp: PC800: Old, tall (used) windscreen anyone? arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15125; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 = 11:58:06 -0500 (CDT) 17:48:35)); Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:58:05 -0500 (CDT) LAA15084; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:56:57 -0500 (CDT) [204.97.168.17]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15075 = for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:56:54 -0500 (CDT) [204.97.172.43]) by Omega.Capital.Net (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id = MAA07389 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:57:22 -0400 = (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:01:59 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Old, tall (used) windscreen anyone? I wondered if anyone had a old (scratched, bug encrusted) or otherwise "used" tall windshield I could try out before buying a new one. (I'll = cover round trip shipping) I'm 6'5" and the stock unit is too low, yet I really hate looking "thru" = a windshield. I've attached some plexiglas extensions and if I can get a = wind shield I can just look over I'd be happy. I'm thinking 4' over stock = would suit me. Also, does anyone have any experience installing vents in their = windshields to compensate for a vacuum created by the taller units? Thanks in advance! Dave Steven ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:28:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. On Thu, Jul 18, 1996 9:56:04 PM, Jan A. deRoos wrote: >The second lesson I learned is how much more controllable the PC is with engine >revs at 5000-7000 rather than the 2500-5500 range that I typically use. ---------------------------- I have noticed this effect, and I'm intrigued by it. Can anybody explain the physics involved? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 15:25:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: A literary interlude... Practical stuff is all well and good, but I thought you folks might enjoy this quote from Milan Kundera's new nove, "Slowness." >>The man hunched over his motorcycle can focus only on the present instant of his flight; he is caught in a fragment of time cut off from both the past and the future; he is wrenched from the continuity of time; he is outside time; in other words, he is in a state of ecstasy; in that state he is unaware of his age, his wife, his children, his worries, and so he has no fear, because the source of fear is in the future, and a person freed of the future has nothing to fear.<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:07:02 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: hydraulic Seat shock Hello Everyone! Hey I need some help. The Hydraulic shock that holds the seat up while we put something in the truck just went out last night. Does anyone know if we can "adjust it" to work again or do I have to replace it? Does anyone know how much they are? Thanks Guys! I'll be waiting for the response. -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 95 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:14:44 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:00:05 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Engine Oil Seepage I spoke with Tom Sill, Service Mangager @ Lake City Honda/Skidoo/Kawasaki today. He said that he's asked Honda's customer service people about the seepage problem, and they indicated to him that they were not in the least little bit interested in doing ANYTHING about it. I plan on writing them a nasty letter. If any of you are interested, here's what I propose: Check your cylinder heads, and see if there's seepage. If there is and you're agreeable, send me your name and VIN for your bike. I'll compile all of the info and send it with a letter to Honda. I'll probably do this on the firm's letterhead. A hint of a class action lawsuit might get their attention. I'll give it about a week or so to see what your response is, and I will post a draft of the letter for comment/critique. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:18:04 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: PC List Subject: Hydraulic Seat Shock Hello Everyone! Hey I need some help. The Hydraulic shock that holds the seat up while we put something in the truck just went out last night. Does anyone know if we can "adjust it" to work again or do I have to replace it? Does anyone know how much they are? -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 95 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:59:43 -0700 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: PC List Subject: Price of Hydraulic "Trunk Damper" Well guys I just got back from my local Honda Dealer and the price for the "Trunk Damper" is $53.27!!!!! What a rip off!!!! Does anyone know where I can find this part, other than from Honda? The part number is 85270-MR5-03. Thanks! -- Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona Texas Tech University.......Southern Methodist University 95 Honda Pacific Coast HSTA #6862 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 20:35:43 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: JeffHO@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: My day at CLASS school. JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > I have noticed this effect, and I'm intrigued by it. Can anybody explain >the physics involved? I'm just shooting from the hip here, but my best guess is that at those RPMs, the usual CV Carb lag is significantly less. This translates into more immediate throttle response for any given wrist movement. When the engine does what you want it to *when* you want it to, confidence goes up and lap times go down. (Well, that's the way it's supposed to work...) Please feel free to shoot this full of holes. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut PC = "Plastic Cycle"... ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 20:49:22 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: hydraulic Seat shock Alexander D. Gray wrote: >The Hydraulic shock that holds the seat up while we put something in the >truck just went out last night. Does anyone know if we can "adjust it" to >work again or do I have to replace it? Unfortunately, gas struts are binary in nature: they work or they don't. I believe that once the nitrogen charge is gone the strut is history, as there is no shrader valve or other means of recharging the strut after a rebuild. (Assuming a rebuild is possible in the first place...) gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 21:41:16 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:42:14 -0700 From: MDTurley Subject: Rambling To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > >The second lesson I learned is how much more controllable the PC is with > engine > >revs at 5000-7000 rather than the 2500-5500 range that I typically use. > > ---------------------------- > I have noticed this effect, and I'm intrigued by it. Can anybody explain the > physics involved? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff Probably because the power is more readily available. Notice how screwing the power on at the exit of a cornor tends to upright the bike. Watch TV carefully, or better yet, watch the GP bikes in person. The fastest guys can add power sooner and allow the bike to right it's self. I think there is some gyroscopic effect as well due to the increased speed of flywheel, crank , rods etc. I took a course offered by Kawasaki at Willow Springs some years ago and have used the technique for a long time. It does work better on more powerful machines. Like my brothers 1100F or 750 interceptor (the bikes we used for the class) I can ramble on here and tell you of my impressions of the GP bikes.. I went to the USGP at Laguna SECA last time they were there. We are talking 180-200hp on a 260lb? machine. Acceleration is incredible. The fastest riders can apply the power smoothly yet quickly. Watch TV and notice the bikes shake as they come out of the corners. In person you can see the rear tire actually spins, smokes and slides a bit sideways. But the riders who do it smoothly enough can stay on the throttle and allow the bike to upright itself sooner so that it goes in a straight line sooner. Bear in mind the tires a so soft that you could grab and tear a chunk out I think. You haven't lived until you are standing in a crowd of 30,000 people who all inhale sharply at the same time as they observe all these guys trying this all day. We all figured these guys would die every time they slid around the hairpin #2 lifted the front tire down the short little straight before turn #3 then spun the rear sliding sideways as the set up for the fast left before the backstraight. Also our vantage point allowed us to observe the technique of righting the bike with the left knee after the front end slid out. Mick Doohan did it twice during this race. He was really pushing it. Ended up crashing in the corkscrew the same as the day before during practice. It was no wonder. We were up at the corksrew the day of practice watching him brake so late that he actually made the left with the front end still in the air, setting the front end down in the right turn of the corkscrew ( within a foot or two of the same place every time) AMAZING! I WILL go back next time they hold it here! Enough -- MT in MT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: AW: My day at CLASS school. Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 10:30:41 +-200 > I have noticed this effect, and I'm intrigued by it. Can anybody = explain=20 >the physics involved? My feeling is, power is more readily available, as Gary wrote. But also = one is further away from the "point of no push", i.e. when throttling = down the engine stops pushing and starts pulling the bike. Bad for the = turn and for cornering confidence . . . Also one has fewer problems when = opening the throttle, being above the "point of bull-riding", i.e. when = the indivudual thumps of the engine make the bike jump & jerk. Bad for = the turrn too . . . However, my instincts (do I have 'em?) tell me the bike itself is = fysically more stable. Which may be due the the gyroscopic effect of the = flywheel, crankshaft etcetera. That would tend to keep the bike upright, = thereby stopping the bike from falling inward (a bit . . .). That means = us humans only have to work with one force: the one pulling the bike up. = On lower revs we'd also have to prevent the bike from falling into the = turn which makes a turn that much harder. We could test this: any of you out there have a Yamaha Thundercat or = something similar? Try making a turn at 13.000+ revs and tell us what it = feels like compared to 2.000 revs. Rob Ramsey ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:01:18 -0700 From: Keith W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC for sale in Texas Saw this add in today's newspaper: 90 HONDA PACIFIC COAST, red & silver, less than 5000 miles, very good condition, $4900 firm. 512-847-3674 (Wimberly). That's all I know about it. -- Keith W Rogers Austin, Texas `89 PC800, 35K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 22:00:18 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keeping the revs up Hi Jeff: I think that the major benefits of keeping the revs up are related to the availability of power when you want it and much more effective engine braking due to the mechanical advantage of being in a lower gear and the higher pumping and friction losses at the higher rpm. This allows more precise and timely speed corrections with the throttle alone, particularly the subtle changes that freqently are needed in open twisty sections. I don't think that the gyro effects of the rotating engine parts have much to do with it, as some have suggested. A caged gyro exhibits few positive effects of the sort needed to increase lateral stability. Indeed, the precession forces exerted by a vertically oriented gyro with a transverse axis (that is, the engine flywheel and the rear wheel) are not even in the right direction to be of any help at all. That is, the gyro's response to a change in lean angle is to attempt to twist the bike about its vertical axis, not its roll axis. The only effect of this would be some flexing of the frame, which in all likelihood would tend toward adverse rather than positive effects. In addition, the benefits that derive from keeping the revs up are also there for transverse engine configurations (like the BMWs, Wings, Guzzis, etc). I also believe that a lot of it is psychological. Keeping the engine revs up adds a sense of urgency to the entire riding activity. It results in increased concentration, faster perceptions, and hightened alertness to the subtleties of riding. This increased attention to the riding task should produce better control, but even if it doesn't, it certainly feels like being in better control. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:09:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Headlight Protector Would someone please let me know were I can buy the plexiglass headlight protector. Thanks. Frank Ferrante 96' PC 800 HSTA # 6984 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 08:40:33 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: introduction Greetings to all, In a previous post to Tim Macy, I had written about an '89 that I looked at in northern Wisconsin. The owner had installed highway pegs using some pegs from an old Harley. The pegs did not fold up and stuck out, in my opinion, dangerously far. The pegs were attached to a bracket he had fashioned out of some square solid iron stock and came out of the holes in the crash bar covers. He had done a little butchering of the covers and the covers were also cracked. I couldn't see how the bars were attached to the frame. The pegs were functional but I cringed a lot about how they looked and how he had butchered the covers up to put the pegs on. As Tim had mentioned, the guy had also attached some home made "Saeng" edging by attaching plexiglass to the sides of the low windshield with some pieces of metal and screws. He had also raised the angle of the windshield so it didn't slope back as sharply. Said the wind didn't affect him after he had made the modification and he felt the edge of the windshield was right in front of his neck while driving and he was afraid of the "stiletto" affect in the event of a crash. The bike had 30k on it and he wanted $3,000 for it. I didn't buy it and happy I left it behind as I found my bike a few weeks later in tip-top shape. I agree with what was said about the "comfort" issue". I don't know if this is a problem with most bikes or not. I haven't traveled nearly as much as most of you but really get antsy while in the saddle for extended periods of time. I have tried all the listed remedies and get only temporary relief. Have even considered a solo "Chinese Fire Drill" at stop signs. Guess the only real solution is to stop more frequently and walk off the aches and pains. Wonder if attaching my Lazy Boy up top would help:-) Bob >James Hyder had complained that the inability to stretch out his legs was a >problem: > >It is a problem, James, and I'm also surprised it's never been discussed >here. I have a bad left knee (broke it in a m/c screwup three years ago) and >it talks to me after about 400 miles. My right knee has never been damaged, >but it also complains occasionally. Age, I guess. > >I'm 5'8" tall, so I don't imagine that this would work for anyone taller. I >stretch my leg right up over the top of the fairing and rest my foot on the >mirror. I can imagine a lot of people blanching as they read this and the >number of safety-related responses it hypothetically could generate, but I >only do it on Interbores or long straight stretches and only in limited >situations that would not put me in a jeopardous (my word!) situation. I >only have to do it for a minute or two and it really relieves the strain. > The bike stays rock-solid, so that's not a problem. > >I also (like Jason Tibbs) put my feet on the fairing protectors and ride with >my elbows on my knees. Or I stretch my feet past the protectors and lean my >ankles on 'em. Gotta do what ya gotta do. > >I believe it was Bob Rufener who checked out an '89 in northern Wisconsin >which had been "modified" by the owner--he cut away part of the front body >panels and welded some really ugly "footpeg" pipes onto the frame. But then >again this guy had also modified the windshield with a hacksaw and had put a >12-volt car battery in the trunk and drilled holes in the body to run really >ugly cables to the front...so aesthetics was not a high priority on his list! > >Hey, Bob, that clown really wanted a lot for that mess, didn't he? If I >recall correctly, he'd been working on too many running engines in too many >closed garages, right? > >The problem with the PC is its aerodynamics. The fairing just forward of the >legs juts out far enough that anything added to the bike as footpegs would >have to stick waaay out from the body for the rider to be able to stretch >his/her legs to the pegs. Can't imagine being able to do this and still >maintain the aesthetics of the bike. > >Watch someone make a liar out of me now... > >Tim >Portland, OR >timmacy@aol.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Jul 96 08:02:55 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Aerostich suits for sale... Two Aerostich suits for sale: Mine: Two-piece Roadcrafter, cobalt blue w/ dark blue ballistics; size 44 regular, all pads including hip pads, bib pants converter, accessory ellipse included. Worn for several years; washed numerous times (it's SOFT!), no noticeable stains; never been "road tested). Not badly faded; still looks good! PRICE: $450 plus shipping. Lynn's: One-piece Roadcrafter, cobalt blue w/ dark blue ballistics, size 34 short; sleeves shortened 3". All pads included; absolutely like brand-new; worn only a few times. PRICE: $500 plus shipping. REASON FOR SELLING: We don't have a blue bike; never have! I don't know why I bought blue suits! We plan to buy r-r-r-r-red ones to replace them (just won the state lottery!)! Satisfaction guaranteed! We wouldn't sell them if we couldn't replace them with other Aerostich suits! There ain't nothing better on the market, or we'd be wearing them! NOTICE: W'ell be away from August 3-15. Telephone 803/781-4293; leave message on answering machine. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 09:08:13 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: rifle and buffeting i recently installed the rifle 22" screen, and i'm surprised, after the rave reviews the rifle mostly gets around here, to find that the results are pretty mixed for me. while the rifle is a cure for the helmet wind-noise problem, it has hugely increased the amount of body buffeting i get--it feels like i'm constantly driving through a powerful and rapidly shifting crosswind. what's more, i've noticed that real crosswinds now have a big effect on the bike (i've heard people complain about the pc's reaction to crosswinds here, but i didn't know what they were talking about until i put the rifle on). it may be a little too soon to say, but i'm leaning towards deciding that overall, riding the bike at highway speeds is less relaxing, and returning the rifle. anyone else have this reaction to the rifle? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:03:53 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rifle and buffeting Hi David, Well, I guess we'll need more info. How tall are you? Z (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:19:42 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 07:13:10 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , "Alan D. Smith" Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage Alan D. Smith wrote: > > Steve, > > Your ideas sounds excellent, and I'd love to help, but can't due > to being severely mechanically challenged. > > I don't dare try and take off the panels myself, and I have no > reason to take the bike in. If I take it in and ask them to > check that, is it something that can be done quickly? > > Thanks again for the idea. > > Alan > '89 PC800 > '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) Alan, all you have to do is pop off the exhaust vents on either side by pulling gently yet firmly on the edge nearest to the back of the bike. then shine a flashlight on the engine. If there's oil, you got's a problem! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:00:05 -0800 From: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Subject: tire To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Looking for a Metzler ML2 rear tire for an 89 PC800. Size 140/90-15. Alan Brick 201 8532236 or contact me on this address e mail. Dealers in area have non in stock. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:22:13 -0400 To: David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rifle and buffeting I HAVE ORDERED A 22 INCH RIFLE. IT SHOULD BE HERE AND INSTALLED BY THIS WEEK-END. I AM 6 FEET TALL. I WILL WRITE A REPORT ON MONDAY. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:29:07 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire Do you mean 140/80-15? Last check Performance Cycles @508-842-1068 had one. Roger Prince Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:00:05 -0800 > From: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) > Subject: tire > To: PC800@hpc.uh.eduPC800@hpc.uh.edu > > Looking for a Metzler ML2 rear tire for an 89 PC800. Size 140/90-15. Alan > Brick 201 8532236 or contact me on this address e mail. Dealers in area have > non in stock. > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! > ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 11:42:08 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: rifle and buffeting Oh, yeah, sorry: I'm 6 ft. (And, as I said, the rifle has done a fine job of cutting down on helmet wind, which I would expect to be height-sensitive; my complaint is a body-and-bike rapidly shifting cross-buffeting that's the problem, not unlike the feeling of starting to enter a truck's slipstream just before it smoothes out.) -- Dave ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: rifle and buffeting Author: GuntherSki@aol.com at Internet Date: 7/29/96 10:01 AM Hi David, Well, I guess we'll need more info. How tall are you? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:49:23 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Buffeting w/ tall screens Following recent comments about a 22" Rifle screen changing the handling of a PC I'm concerned about my possible conversion from a stock Honda unit to a "tall" one. I fabricated and taped a 6" extension of lexan to my stock PC screen and subsequently felt like the front end was squirlley (sic?) Half way thru my ride I tore the extension off and my bike once again became a solid performer. Has anyone else found any lack of handling capablities when moving to a taller Honda windscreen? I don't want to make a $200 mistake! Thanks. Dave Steven ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:46:59 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage At 01:00 PM 7/27/96 -0700, you wrote: >I spoke with Tom Sill, Service Mangager @ Lake City >Honda/Skidoo/Kawasaki today. He said that he's asked Honda's customer >service people about the seepage problem, and they indicated to him that >they were not in the least little bit interested in doing ANYTHING about >it. Not that this is the case in every case but I talked with a very qualified Honda service manager in Atlanta this weekend about the PC. He said that when they see an oil leak problem on the PC it is in most cases caused by overfilling of the sump. They recently had a customer in that had 110,000 miles on his 90 PC and there was some oil leakage. The customer wanted the engine taken out and gone through. Most of the oil problem was again casued by overfill. When they checked the cylinders and other things for wear there was not enough wear to replace ANYTHING , EVEN THE RINGS. The cylinders still had hatch marks on them. They replace a couple of oil seals and put it back together. Just some input, Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:06:03 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens It seems the tall Honda windshield is "guaranteed" to melt your dash unless you take special precautions. The edge concentrates the sun's rays like a magnifier and tries to start a fire with the PC's dash as fuel. Roger Prince > Following recent comments about a 22" Rifle screen changing the handling of > a PC I'm concerned about my possible conversion from a stock Honda unit to > a "tall" one. > > I fabricated and taped a 6" extension of lexan to my stock PC screen and > subsequently felt like the front end was squirlley (sic?) Half way thru my > ride I tore the extension off and my bike once again became a solid > performer. > > Has anyone else found any lack of handling capablities when moving to a > taller Honda windscreen? I don't want to make a $200 mistake! Thanks. > > Dave Steven > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:16:08 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage Waldo, what is considered overfilling? For years I put in 3.2qt/3qt6oz and it seeped. 3.4qt is the owner manual recommended. My garage slopes and 3.2 puts it at the top of the cross-hatch pattern on the dipstick. I learned early that if, when the oil is changed, you put in 3.2 and then run the engine for a few minutes the level will read low. If you keep adding to get a good reading, the next day after a ride the reading will be way over the line. I think a lot of overfills occur this way. Some dealers just keep putting oil in until they like the reading. Roger Prince > From mail Mon Jul 29 11:59 EDT 1996 > Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:46:59 -0500 (CDT) > To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu > From: "Waldo E. Meeks" > Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage > > At 01:00 PM 7/27/96 -0700, you wrote: > >I spoke with Tom Sill, Service Mangager @ Lake City > >Honda/Skidoo/Kawasaki today. He said that he's asked Honda's customer > >service people about the seepage problem, and they indicated to him that > >they were not in the least little bit interested in doing ANYTHING about > >it. > > > Not that this is the case in every case but I talked with a very qualified > Honda service manager in Atlanta this weekend about the PC. He said that > when they see an oil leak problem on the PC it is in most cases caused by > overfilling of the sump. They recently had a customer in that had 110,000 > miles on his 90 PC and there was some oil leakage. The customer wanted the > engine taken out and gone through. Most of the oil problem was again casued > by overfill. When they checked the cylinders and other things for wear > there was not enough wear to replace ANYTHING , EVEN THE RINGS. The > cylinders still had hatch marks on them. They replace a couple of oil seals > and put it back together. > > Just some input, > > Waldo > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:31:26 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:29:31 -0400 (EDT) To: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage At 12:16 PM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >Waldo, what is considered overfilling? For years I put in 3.2qt/3qt6oz and it >seeped. 3.4qt is the owner manual recommended. My garage slopes and 3.2 puts it >at the top of the cross-hatch pattern on the dipstick. Roger, I do the same and have not seen any oil leak even when I try to look with the side covers removed. Dana has 65,000 on his bike he may be able to tell us of any oil leaks. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dave Steven Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens I've had my tall Honda screen on for 60,000 miles and I've noticed no such effects on the handling. On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Dave Steven wrote: > Following recent comments about a 22" Rifle screen changing the handling of > a PC I'm concerned about my possible conversion from a stock Honda unit to > a "tall" one. > > I fabricated and taped a 6" extension of lexan to my stock PC screen and > subsequently felt like the front end was squirlley (sic?) Half way thru my > ride I tore the extension off and my bike once again became a solid > performer. > > Has anyone else found any lack of handling capablities when moving to a > taller Honda windscreen? I don't want to make a $200 mistake! Thanks. > > Dave Steven > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:41:25 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rifle and buffeting THATS GREAT!!!!! NOW STOP YELLING AT US!!!!!!!! z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:03:40 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage Waldo, Dana won't allow his to leak. My first '90 seeped also. Roger > > At 12:16 PM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Waldo, what is considered overfilling? For years I put in 3.2qt/3qt6oz and it > >seeped. 3.4qt is the owner manual recommended. My garage slopes and 3.2 > puts it > >at the top of the cross-hatch pattern on the dipstick. > > > Roger, > > I do the same and have not seen any oil leak even when I try to look with > the side covers removed. Dana has 65,000 on his bike he may be able to tell > us of any oil leaks. > > Waldo > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Price of Hydraulic "Trunk Damper" <31FAAD6F.55E@flagstaff.az.us> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:31:18 -0700 From: Andrew Beals Alexander Gray complains: > Well guys I just got back from my local Honda Dealer and the price for the "Trunk > Damper" is $53.27!!!!! What a rip off!!!! > > Does anyone know where I can find this part, other than from Honda? The part number is > 85270-MR5-03. Your friendly local auto parts store will probably claim that they have a replacement if the "trunk damper" is the same size as something that goes into a Honda car and it will cost you about 2/3rds of what Honda will charge you for the right part. After you special-order it [no returns/refunds] and get it home, you'll find that it doesn't have the correct connections on the ends to simply drop it into your Hondapotamus. You might be able to get the old fittings off of your bike, but in the end, you'll probably end up throwing the aftermarket one in the trash [where it belongs] and going down to your local dealer, hat in hand, and buying the right part. Andy -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:49:09 -0400 From: roger@emav33.webo.dg.com (Roger Prince) To: asb@cisco.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Price of Hydraulic "Trunk Damper" Call Cycle Design at 508 249-2244 of fax at 249-2109. Good prices. > Alexander Gray complains: > > Well guys I just got back from my local Honda Dealer and the price for the "Trunk > > Damper" is $53.27!!!!! What a rip off!!!! > > > > Does anyone know where I can find this part, other than from Honda? The part number is > > 85270-MR5-03. > > Your friendly local auto parts store will probably claim that they have a replacement if the "trunk damper" is the same size as something that goes into a Honda car and it will cost you about 2/3rds of what Honda will charge you for the right part. > > After you special-order it [no returns/refunds] and get it home, you'll find that it doesn't have the correct connections on the ends to simply drop it into your Hondapotamus. You might be able to get the old fittings off of your bike, but in the end, you'll probably end up throwing the aftermarket one in the trash [where it belongs] and going down to your local dealer, hat in hand, and buying the right part. > > Andy > [been through this on the CRX] > > -- > Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 > Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building > "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." > --The Prisoner, "Arrival" > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: johnl@wvpa.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 14:04:49 PDT Subject: Honda Homecoming To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi PC'ers! Just returned yesterday from the Honda Homecoming at Marysville, OH. As you might guess, a lot of vendors there with a lot of Hondabago accessories. The guys with the woodgrain kit were there but, blessedly so, no one I know wants to make a "woodie" out of the PC. Did see about a dozen Pacific Coasts there. Factory tours are excellent. I believe the one millionth Gold Wing was rolled out on Friday. Honda is building Shadow ACE cycles with whitewalls now. Bunches of Valkyries being produced, too, as you might suspect. The cycle production there is about 150 cycles per day. New subject: The 1997 Honda Hoot is firm for June 17th - 21st according to Honda, in Asheville, NC next year. John Louk johnl@wvpa.com 90 PC800L ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:16:55 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, David_Freedman@inc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rifle and buffeting Sorry, I did not mean to shout. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 19:50:09 +0600 From: "jhyder" To: "PC800 list" Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens Content-Id: <16_63_1_838684209> Roger Prince wrote: >It seems the tall Honda windshield is "guaranteed" to melt your dash unless >you take special precautions. The edge concentrates the sun's rays like a >magnifier and tries to start a fire with the PC's dash as fuel. You're joking, right, Rog? I've had my tall (read '90 standard) windshield on my '89 for more than 5 years, with no such problems. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:52:10 -0400 From: Roger Prince To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: PC800 list members Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens jhyder@erols.com wrote: > > Roger Prince wrote: > > >It seems the tall Honda windshield is "guaranteed" to melt your dash unless > > >you take special precautions. The edge concentrates the sun's rays like a > > >magnifier and tries to start a fire with the PC's dash as fuel. > > You're joking, right, Rog? I've had my tall (read '90 standard) windshield > > on my '89 for more than 5 years, with no such problems. > > --James Hyder > Columbia, MD > '89 PC800, 26K miles The '90 standard windshield is not considered the optional Honda tall windshield - not by me anyway. I mean the tall relative to both '89 and '90-'96. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:11:43 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group , roger@etgn14.webo.dg.com Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens Roger Prince wrote: > The '90 standard windshield is not considered the optional Honda tall > windshield - not by me anyway. I mean the tall relative to both '89 and > '90-'96. Perhaps we should agree on some nomenclature for the Honda tall windshield: maybe we should refer to it as the "29 Inch Parabolic Solar Collector"... ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut If the weather sucks, wait 10 minutes and it's bound to get worse... ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 29 Jul 1996 20:45:46 -0500 Lines: 15 >>>>> "JH" == "jhyder" writes: JH> You're joking, right, Rog? Nope. JH> I've had my tall (read '90 standard) windshield on my '89 for more than JH> 5 years, with no such problems. No, the windshield on the '90 and later bike is not the same as the tall Honda shield. The '89 shield isn't much shorter than the stock '90 shield (I have both on my '94), but the tall shield is much different; it flares out to the side much more and is several inches taller. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:49:53 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) Nan and I have always called our rides Motorcycle Therapy. For Nan it's a chance to put on the helmet and shut out the beepers and cell phones that are the legacy of her busy medical practice. And for me? That's simple: I love to ride. Any ride is therapeutic because I'm indulging in my favorite pastime. A close friend of mine, after surviving a near-death experience in Vietnam, advocates a very simple philosophy of life: Have Fun. I've always had fun, but after my own brush with death a year ago I resolved to embrace his philosophy with a bit more fervor. The concept of the trip started innocuously. Nan wanted to go back to Wisconsin to visit family--and I wanted to go for a ride. When I discovered that the HSTA had re-scheduled their WeSTAR for Mariposa, California on May 10-11, it seemed like a golden opportunity for both of us to indulge ourselves. Nan would catch a plane to Wisconsin on the 8th of May and return on the 14th. That would give me seven glorious days to take a leisurely 1500-mile jaunt to Yosemite Park and back. Then my son Trevor approached me with an interesting proposal. Among other endeavors, Trevor and I are business partners. Trevor noted that there was a convention in Las Vegas the weekend following WeSTAR (May 18-19): Did I want to meet him there? After a nanosecond of deep thought, I agreed that this convention would be beneficial for us to attend. Of course, the prospect of having an additional seven days to aimlessly meander around the southwest had absolutely no bearing upon my decision... After a flurry of long distance calls and e-mailings to warn friends and family of approximate arrival times, I set off towards California on the morning of the 8th after depositing Nan on her Milwaukee-bound plane. I had toyed with the idea of camping, but determined that motels were a feasible alternative. Pre-summer room rates were very attractive, and the thought of a shower and a bed overcame adolescent memories of sleeping under the stars. My Hondaline bags and expandable tank bag were more than adequate for my clothing needs due to the prospect of warm, dry weather south of Oregon. South of Oregon, lamentedly, is not Oregon. It was cold and rainy that first morning. I found myself repeatedly blessing those dedicated souls that volunteer their time at the Interbore rest stop coffee stands. Since I had ridden Interbore-5 many times before, the ride to the California border was, well...boring. From Medford to Yreka I played catch-the-leader with two sports cars to amuse myself. After they got off I behaved myself and enjoyed the scenery. The trans-state portion of the Cascades, including Mount Shasta, is beautiful country, so I enjoyed it all the way to Redding. The northern end of the Sacramento Valley begins at Redding, and so does the infamous California traffic. I endured it to Red Bluff, where I bunked for the first night. Day One: 467 miles. Day Two promised to be warm, sunny, and...in the Valley...smoggy. I was only 280 miles from Mariposa, but had no need to be there until that evening. A high school friend of mine from Wisconsin, Richard Schwarte, had been living in the South Lake Tahoe area for many years, which gave me an excuse to visit Lake Tahoe. So I rode Hwy 99 southeast to Yuba City. Hwy 99 was on the eastern edge of the Sacramento Valley, and I rode through mile after mile of orchards. It was largely populated by small towns, but housing developments from time to time indicated that it was a time of flux. At Yuba City I caught Hwy 20 eastbound. The land slowly rose until I was in the foothills of the Sierras. The highway was a 2-lane pleasure, winding through the forest and along the edge of vista-filled precipices. Traffic was light, and the altitude had moderated the temperature. It was also the first of many California roads which took me through old gold digs. Signs of old gold mines and evidence of open pit mining was everywhere. I hopped on to I-80 at the terminus of Hwy 20, and stopped for lunch at Emigrant Gap. The man who ran the restaurant was a fountainhead of knowledge about the area, which was a busy railway station in the 1880s. After lunch, I followed I-80 east through Donner Pass and stopped at the memorial to the ill-fated Donner party. The location, at the edge of Donner Lake, was in a beautiful setting. I'm sure that the Donner party, who had augmented their dwindling food supply with their frozen friends, had tired of the beauty by the end of their winter-long ordeal. >From there I followed Hwy 89 down to Tahoe City, on the western rim of Lake Tahoe. As I was riding at 7,000 feet above sea level, there was still snow on the hills and mountains around me. Lake Tahoe is an area of astounding beauty. The pristine deep blue lake surrounded by snow-covered peaks has few equals. The western rim is still in California, so it hasn't been overrun by commercialism, as can be found on the Nevada side of the lake. But the beauty of the area and its close proximity to the San Francisco Bay area has made it so popular that it has been developed to capacity. The current plan in the basin is "One Toilet For Two". The only way a developer can build a house, building, etc., is to tear down existing structures or otherwise close down two existing toilets for each new toilet that is installed. This seems to be a sound plan considering the fact that the deposits in all of those toilets has to be pumped out of the Tahoe basin into Nevada. Ah, poor Nevada. Bombed by the Air Force and dumped on by California. My friend Richard was golfing in Reno that afternoon, so I set my compass for Mariposa. I took Hwy 88 south out of the Tahoe Basin and caught Hwy 4, which angled southwest through the Sierras. It was a ride filled with stunning vistas as I went from high mountain meadows to passes over the high peaks. At one point the road took me to 8,700 feet, and there was about 6' of packed snow on the side of the road. It was high, wild desolate country and I stopped often to soak up the views. On the western side of the Sierras, the road steadily dropped down until I came to Angel Camp on hwy 49. Angel Camp was immortalized in stories by Samuel Clemens, who was then a newspaper reporter writing about life in the gold mining camps dotting this area. He later achieved lasting fame as Mark Twain after he moved back east. I paid homage at the cabin that he lived in during his California stay. The ride south along hwy 49 was fascinating, especially to a western history buff such as myself. I resolved to stop and read every Historical Marker, which proved to be an formidible task. The last 30 miles before I reached Mariposa changed from a wide, well-traveled 2-lane highway to a narrow, winding road with treacherous dropoffs. It was ideally suited for a motorcycle, but not for a motorcyclist with a fear of heights. I proceeded cautiously until I gained more confidence in my ability to defy death, but the road still provided many heart-pounding moments. I had also failed to note that finding gas was problemmatic along this stretch, and I reached Bear Valley (10 miles north of Mariposa) with very little petrol. It was also my first encounter with gas stations in remote areas, because I paid $1.97/gallon... I got to Mariposa at about 7 pm, and proceeded to the Miners Inn, which was the meeting point for the HSTA riders. I had made arrangements to room with Mike Coan, a fellow Portlander. As I was checking in, Mike showed up, having come in from Las Vegas. Lest I had any tendency to get smug about the number of miles that I had planned, all I had to do was consider Mike's ride. He had ridden to Florida for Daytona Week, which was essentially rained out. So he flew home to Portland. Then he flew back to Daytona and rode his bike back in time for WeSTAR. THAT'S riding! Mike and I walked down into Mariposa to meet the rest of the HSTA'ers for dinner at an Italian restaurant. Mariposa is not a large town....unless you have to walk anywhere. It's either up...or down. Motorcycle boots do not double as hiking boots. But we survived. The HSTA WeSTAR was loosely organized, which was just fine with me. The main purpose of the rally was to bring a group of riders together for two days of cameraderie and riding in Yosemite Park. I think that motorcycling is probably the only sport in which people ride hundreds or even thousands of miles just for the chance to...ride some more! Day Two: 410 miles. Day Three: We all met in the parking lot of the Miners Inn early Friday morning, and all rode en masse (about 40 bikes) up to Yosemite...about 38 miles away. The ride to the park, which steadily wound upward through a series of canyons, was beautiful. But it was drab in comparison to Yosemite. I had never been to Yosemite Park. I'd seen pictures, but there is no way to prepare for the real thing. We all gathered at a viewpoint, which was a perfect place to start because we looked down the length of the valley. The Yosemite valley is long and narrow and the walls of the valley are incredibly high. Halfdome and the main waterfalls were in view, but the height of the granite walls kept much of the valley in shadow. The crisp mountain air and clear skies brought everything into sharp focus. The effect was awe-inspiring. I took pictures, but I knew instinctively that no picture could capture even a fraction of the experience of actually being there. The group then split up for individual exploration of the valley floor, with the intention of meeting up within two hours for a ride through the back country. Mike has a reputation for getting lost, but we actually found our way to the main attractions in Yosemite and found the main body of riders within the allotted time! The group then rode into the back country of Yosemite Park north of the Valley. A menu of switchbacks and curly-curvy roads quickly split everybody up, as some members of the group tested their riding skills. I, of course, never went over the speed limit and always obeyed the suggested cornering speed signs... We all met up again at Tuolomne, a small town on the border of the park. The group invaded a restaurant there, where we were treated very graciously by our hosts and had a great lunch. After lunch it was time to head back to Mariposa, and a series of side roads took us back down to Hwy 49 and its 30-mile stretch of terror. There were two differences this time, however. I had already ridden the road, and I was teamed up with 5 other riders who were still in a skill-testing mode. Suffice it to say that the PC can more than adequately hold its own with sport-type and other sport-touring bikes. I also learned that not only is it possible to scrape the footpegs, it is also possible to scrape the footbrake. I thought it was great fun... The rest of the afternoon was given to swimming, relaxing around the pool, and lots of chit-chat. It was hot that day, and my bike rudely reminded me that I was used to living in the cooler climes of rainy Orygun. Many of the other riders had put pieces of wood under their kickstands to keep them from sinking in the new asphalt of the parking lot. Not me. No sir. Didn't even cross my mind. As we were walking back from dinner, various people informed us that the StealthMobile, which I had left on its centerstand, was leaning precariously to the right. Some of the other guys had tried to stabilize it, so it hadn't fallen over. So what did Mr. Bright do? He unlocked the steering head, turned the handlebars, and immediately dumped the bike. Right in front of the guys who had tried so valiantly to keep it from falling over. Mr. Bright doesn't embarrass easily, but Mr. Bright was bright red. That evening I was able to contact Richard in Lake Tahoe, and he asked if I could make it back up there the next afternoon, which was Saturday. He sweetened the offer with a boat ride and a free place to stay, and I was hooked. Mike was going to leave in the morning for San Francisco, so we decided to get to bed early. Day Three: 234 miles. Day Four dawned clear and warm. I briefly considered riding with the HSTA group back to Yosemite Park, where I could continue eastward to Hwy 395 and north to Lake Tahoe. I learned, however, that winter had not totally left the Sierras, even though it was mid-May. Tioga Pass was still closed by snow. So Mike and I headed north on Hwy 49, which was by now becoming a very familiar route. We were in no particular hurry, so we settled into a comfortable speed. Have you ever come upon a long series of curves where you've gotten into a perfect rythym with the road and the curves and your motorcycle and all you have to do is shift your weight back and forth and you hit every one of them perfectly, curve after curve after curve? That's exactly how the 30 Miles of Terror became on this final trip north. It's like smashing a home run off the sweet spot on the bat; a hard feeling to describe but great when it happens. Mike and I parted company at Coulterville; he headed west on Hwy 132 and I continued north on Hwy 49. I once again became intrigued by the Historical Site signs. On Thursday, I had been caught up in a traffic jam in the middle of Sonora, a small town which used Hwy 49 as its main street. I recalled feeling like I was in a parade, as the traffic slowly inched through town and the local citizenry waved to their friends on the street. Today Sonora was actually having a parade. I got detoured down some alleys and finally threaded my way to the other end of town, where I was held up by a rent-a-cop as he let the local beauties go through in their convertibles. I love small towns. They're so...small townish. The parade blew my chance to see every Historical Site sign on hwy 49, so I concentrated on the ride. At Jackson I caught Hwy 88, which once again took me into the Sierras. Even though it topped out at 8,650 feet, I felt that Hwy 4 was a more spectacular route. I hit South Lake Tahoe at 2pm, and got to Dick and Dena's just as he was launching his boat. It was clear and sunny and much warmer than it had been on Thursday, and a perfect day for a sightseeing trip on Lake Tahoe. It was also a perfect day for a sunburn. That night we went across the lake to a restaurant; we tied up to a pier and went in for dinner. The food was delicious and the ride back was spectacular; the stars were bright and the Milky Way was in full view. The evening was a perfect exclamation point for my first four days of riding. Day Four: 148 miles. Day Five dawned with a wonderful Mother's Day breakfast prepared by Dena. This aroused my guilt pangs, so I tried to call Nan at her parent's house in Milwaukee and discovered that she was going to be leaving early and flying back to Portland that day. Nan and I will celebrate 25 years of marriage this November. She's my best friend; we share almost everything together. My big regret on this trip was that she wasn't able to be with me. Every time I came to a beautiful vista or a quiet wooded stopping place, I would think "Nan would have loved this". The two weeks that I was going to be gone would constitute the longest period of separation in those 25 years. Even though I was having a great time, Nan's absence took a little of the edge off my Motorcycle Therapy. I headed out of Lake Tahoe basin after breakfast and caught Hwy 395 south. I had no idea where I would end up that night and didn't particularly care. The first portion of the ride was cold as I went through the Sweetwater Mountains; I topped out at 7500 feet at Devils Gate and stopped to snap some photos with the snow as a background. The terrain and the vegetation began to change as I dropped down to Bridgeport; I was on the "dry side" of the Sierras and the trees were smaller and fewer between. I climbed back to 8138 feet at the Conway Summit, then I started the long downhill ride to Mono Lake. At a viewpoint partway down, I stopped to snap some pics and admire the view. An A.C.E. covered with camping gear pulled up; the rider was Marcus, from Austria, on a 2-week trip through the western United States. Once again I was humbled as Marcus explained his itinerary. He had flown into New Orleans, where he had rented the A.C.E. Heading west, he had gone through the southwest to Los Angeles, where he headed north through Oregon and Washington to Vancouver, BC. From there he had gone east and dropped down through eastern Washington and Oregon back to California, where he was "catching the things he hadn't seen" on the first trip through. He was heading to Death Valley, then to Sequoia National Park. After that, he would end up in San Francisco, where he would drop off the bike and fly home. 10,000 miles in two weeks! That's over 700 miles a day... We rode together for a while, but I lost him at Bishop when he stopped for gas. I went through the Owens Valley, and it was getting very hot and dry. I rode past peak after snow-covered peak on the right as the Sierra Nevadas marched southward. One of them was Mt. Whitney, at 14,494 feet the highest point in California...but I couldn't pick out which one. As I pulled into Lone Pine, I stopped to strip off my jacket, as the heat had become oppressive. Marcel pulled up behind me, and we agreed to ride together until we got to the Visitor Center in the middle of Death Valley. About two miles south of Lone Pine we came to the intersection of Hwy 190...the road to Death Valley. There was a small visitor's center at the intersection; Marcel honked, waved goodby, and turned into the visitor center. I never saw him again. Hwy 190 was as desolate a road as I'd ever ridden on. There was evidence of old bauxite mines on the north side of the road; to the south was a huge dry lake bed. After about 30 miles I started climbing through a pass between the Cottonwood Mountains and the Panamint Range, and the temperature dropped back into a tolerable range for a while. It was hard to believe that only 8 hours ago I had been riding in my long underwear and snapping shots of my bike with a snowy backdrop. The tolerable temperatures were short-lived, however, as I began the long, slow drop toward Stovepipe Wells. At the edge of Death Valley National Monument I stopped at a store where I gassed up and took an iced tea break. It was 95 degrees. I was amazed at my misconception of Death Valley. It's a long north-south valley rimmed by mountains on both sides. It slopes downward from the north, and just outside Stovepipe Wells a person can look south and see it sloping for at least 30 miles. It's beautiful in a desolate way, and very fascinating. There are sand dunes, like shown in the brochures, and they shift with the wind. But mostly all that can be seen is volcanic rock of varying hues and scrub brush. And it's hot! Stovepipe Wells was only 20 miles from the store that I had stopped at, but I was so exhausted by the heat that I had to stop and chug down another bottle of iced tea and get out of the sun for a while. It was 105. It was another 26 miles to the Visitor's Center, which is at (aptly-named) Furnace Creek. Those 26 miles were the longest half-hour that I had ever ridden. The heat was palpable; a solid wall to be ridden through. I could feel the heat rising off the pavement on the soles of my boots and the undersides of my arms. There were absolutely no places to stop to get relief; not even so much as a boulder that cast a large enough shadow. My black helmet was a vise; it kept getting hotter and hotter. I barely made it to the Visitor's Center, where I stopped in the shade of some trees. A woman in a Blazer saw that I was in trouble, and she came over and handed me a 2-liter bottle of water. I chugged most of it down and poured the rest on my head. After a 20 minute rest, I filled the bike at a nearby gas station. The gas station attendant told me it was 115 degrees. Even though I was only about 25 miles from Badwater Basin, which is the lowest point in the United States at -282 feet, I had no intention of spending any more time in Death Valley. I continued east on 190 and soon I was climbing through the Amargosa Range, the mountains that form the eastern rim of the Valley. Note to myself: Never ride through Death Valley at midday. There's a reason why they call it Death Valley. I tried to envision crossing it in an ox-borne wagon, as some settlers tried to do in the 1800s as a shortcut to California. 10 miles a day? Impossible. By the time I reached Death Valley Junction the temperature was a respectible 95 again. It almost felt cool. I turned left on Hwy 127and headed to Shoshone. Now I was in a true high plains desert, surrounded by sagebrush and barren hills. At Shoshone I had the choice of going south to Interbore-15, but that seemed so...tame. So I caught Hwy 178 towards Pahrump, NV. Once again I was on a very desolate highway, and I only passed two pickups in an hour. I was very grateful to be on a bike as dependable as my PC. Since I had left Portland I had been in rain, snow, and desert heat. I had gone from 40 degrees to 115 degrees...in one day. I had been on highways, byways, and back roads, and the StealthMobile kept on purring without missing a beat. Up to that point I had averaged 48 mpg and hadn't used a drop of oil. If I was crazy enough to be looking for the most desolate roads in the southwest, I was at least smart enough to be on a bike that I didn't have to worry about. The mountains west of Pahrump were very pretty...in a deserty sort of way. They were totally devoid of trees, but the winds of centuries past had exposed a variety of beautiful multi-colored rock formations. It was getting late in the afternoon, and the slanting sun cast a surreal look over the whole area. I love desolation. At Pahrump I caught Hwy 160 into Las Vegas. It was very boring; it was also bordered part of the way with tiny desert retirement communities. I skirted Las Vegas to the south on Hwy 146 and pulled into Boulder City at 9 pm, where I decided to stay for the night. It had been a long day. Day Five: 484 miles. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:50:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Engine Oil Seepage In a message dated 96-07-29 12:23:22 EDT, you write: << If you keep adding to get a good reading, the next day after a ride the reading will be way over the line. I think a lot of overfills occur this way. Some dealers just keep putting oil in until they like the reading. >> For what it's worth, whenever the dealer has changed oil for me I've had to draw some out. They've overfilled it every time. Mark Wendt MarWendt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:48:17 -0400 To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens In a message dated 96-07-29 11:53:44 EDT, steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) writes: << Has anyone else found any lack of handling capablities when moving to a taller Honda windscreen? I don't want to make a $200 mistake! Thanks. >> I can't say that I noticed any loss in handling. I'm 6 feet tall, and had the tall Honda windscreen installed in April. I never ride at high speed, so I can't speak for speeds over 75 mph, but at speeds under 75, the ride seems fine to me. Mark Wendt MarWendt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:20:42 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: New front exhaust pipe "B" Howdy. I put the pipe on yesterday. There's a short pipe, "A" that comes down from the front cylinder, and then the longer "B" pipe sweeps down from in front of the rad to the muffler. The old one was rusted through where it connects to the muffler- I suspect short city rides in cold weather cause moisture to collect there, and besides when I was changing the muffler last year, I didn't realize the pipe has a ring welded around it, and pounded the p*** out of the hapless ring and pipe without exerting any force on dislodging the old muffler. I was also surprised by how flattened this pipe was; it is the low point of the belly of the bike and gets hit first when you run out of clearance. It's quite nice to have a sacrificial part there- previous bikes I've had touched on the engine case first. The shop manual really doesn't give a dependency chart for changing this, you have to figure it out yourself, and I had hoped that if I could get the front clamp bolts off through the grill, I could just pull the thing off without removing any covers, but, of course, the heads of the bolts were rusted away, no 6-point socket would grab them. With exhaust stuff, I always get new bolts, clamps and packing, so at worst I knew I could hacksaw or cut it with a torch, but for either I had to take off the front lower cowling (the one over the rad) and of course the front rollbar covers to get to its screws. This was good anyway because it was totally gucked up in road tar and I'd wanted to give it a Varsol bath for a while. It turns out that you have to unbolt the muffler to put the new pipe on. The R muffler mount bolt is under the RR rollbar cover and is a snap, but the L one is under that shiny faux muffler chrome thing, which is part of the L lower body cover, and to get that off you do the LR rollbar cover and the L passenger footpeg. So- the bad news was, it wasn't quite as much of a snap as I had hoped. The good news is, it only took 2 hours and I was surprised at how much easier removing and replacing the body covers is after the first time. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:14:54 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens Hi Dave: I've been running the tall Hondaline screen for years, and there have been no adverse handling effects. The extra windscreen area does cut gas mileage and top speed a bit, but the bike is stable. The tall screen has a reputation for causing heat damage to the plastic on and around the instrument cluster due to its acting like a lens at certain sun angles. There are some fixes for this in the archives. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:01:42 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Buffeting w/ tall screens In a message dated 96-07-29 21:53:29 EDT, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: << No, the windshield on the '90 and later bike is not the same as the tall Honda shield. The '89 shield isn't much shorter than the stock '90 shield (I have both on my '94), but the tall shield is much different; it flares out to the side much more and is several inches taller. >> You mean you have TWO shields on your bike..???? Wow, talk about over kill.... :) Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:11:45 -0400 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) WOW, what a story.... sounds like a wonderful trip. I think it's interesting to note that you don't mention the bike very often, which to mind is the whole point. Use the machine. It's not supposed to intrude on your trip. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:13:37 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Military Bases Does anyone out there ride their bike on a military base? I do (daily) and we've been hit with some absurd "safety" regulations recently. They're said to be DOD-wide, and I'm trying to find out what's happening on other bases. You can reply directly, rmclanc@sandia.gov Thank you much, Bob Clancy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Jul 96 10:36:37 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: State Lottery Just kidding, folks...no, I didn't win the state lottery! One person (a CPA) was kind enough to send me tax filing instructions, etc....I'll keep that for future reference! Again...The Fossil did NOT win the state lottery! Dana (Snake Eyes) Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:52:25 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: tall screens & removing films Cc: rmarks@motown.lmco.com There's a lot of info in the archives regarding windscreens, but I composed my 5 cents worth anyway. When I bought by '89 PC, it already had the Tall Honda windscreen installed. I loved it, the wind protection was great. Then on some of my longer trips I started to resent the coke bottle distortion when trying to take in the scenery. Then after a summer of sunshine, parked in various locals, I began noticing my dash board melting. (I did learn eventually to park the bike facing away from the sun, that seemed to help; I don't like the look of tee-shirts over windscreens on an otherwise clean looking bike.) Then the film coating on both sides of the GE Lexan (Polycarbonate) screen started getting very small bubbles, possibly from Rain-Ex, but I never used it on the inside of the screen. Probably, sun and heat were affecting the inside film (after 23K miles and being parked at work.) So, then I cut down the Tall screen two inches, that helped the vision but wind noise did increase moderately, though probably still better than the '94 stock screens. After waiting a while, I decided to order the 24 inch Rifle screen and cut another 3/4 inches off the Honda screen. The extra 3/4 inches helped visiblity alot, and the wind noise didn't change at all from my previous surgery. So now I have a backup screen. I just received and installed the Rifle screen last night. After all my apprehension from reading this news group, it went very well. No re-drilling needed, it mounted with all the Honda screens and washers for the base. The extreme right-side slot on the base needed to be shaved about 1/16 of an inch. If you follow the instructions, explicitly regarding mounting the screen to the base LOOSELY before mounting on the bike, the holes align very well for tightening. The pressure foam gasket was already mounted on the base when I received the goods. It didn't appear I would have any trouble removing the screen from the base since there was no adhesive on the windscreen surface. I loosed the screen screw to adjust the positioning without any problem. I just wished I had a socket wrench that fit the small nut behind the screen, the adjustable was hard to hold onto in the limited space next to the dash. The verdict, not yet final, but first impressions are favorable. It does sit more upright than the Honda tall screen. I think the wind noise/protection is about the same as the Tall Honda screen. It's about the same height, maybe a half inch shorter, but the angle of attack makes it appear taller. Visibility is thankfully very clear. There is a very slight amount of side helmet breeze between 60-65 MPH, which goes away altogether at 70. The Tall Honda had this same affect which was visually more noticable when the side extensions would shimmy, especailly with cross winds. The Rifle screen was very stable, even at 70 MPH. It is also slightly wider at the bottom and the top than the tall Honda screen, but is not as wide at the extreme edge of the Honda winglets. I wished I had gotten the color matching base, but I may try spray painting it myself with the Honda spray. The dark gray base is darker than the gray on the dash. I was suprised to see there was No Rifle logo anywhere. I'll be leaving on a 5 day trip through NY and lower New England tomorrow with the 5 "Choir Boys". (Real Men sing in the Choir.) I should have better impressions after the trip. P.S. When cutting the Honda screen, I had firmly applied masking tape on the front to draw my cut line. After removing the tape, I noticed that it had cleanly pealed off the film on the front off the shield, and in that 3/8'ths sliver, visiblity had improved remarkably. I'll try that someday on the rest of the screen. P.P.S I'm nearly 6'1" with a 33"-34" inseam, (short torso). Later.. Bob ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support voice: (609) 722-3777 Lockheed Martin E-mail: rmarks@motown.lmco.com fax: (609) 722-4410 Moorestown, NJ (near Philadelphia, PA.) AMA, HRC ... '89 PC800, '84 Helix (Nancy's) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:03:26 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:59:39 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: 9312 Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Military Bases 9312 wrote: > > Does anyone out there ride their bike on a military base? > I do (daily) and we've been hit with some absurd "safety" > regulations recently. They're said to be DOD-wide, and I'm > trying to find out what's happening on other bases. You can > reply directly, > rmclanc@sandia.gov Get used to 'em. I assume that these are the standard, "long sleeves, gloves, helmet, boots, reflective vest &oh by the way where's your MSF card?" rules? Part of the "privilege" of riding on a US federal facility. EVERY Army post in the U.S. has 'em. I assume the rest do, also. It's just Uncle sam being overly paternalistic. When I was at Ft. Rucker, some of the troops in my office atually cut off sleeves from old fatigues and put elastic in them so that they coould ride in with "sleeves down" and not have to take the time to roll them up again when it was hot. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:11:32 -0400 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) Thanks for one of the best trip reports I have had the pleasure of reading. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Daniel MacKay Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New front exhaust pipe "B" Thanks for the exhaust pipe write-up, Daniel. You've probably saved some of us some time in the future. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 , "Robert E. Marks" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rmarks@motown.lmco.com Subject: Re: tall screens & removing films Bob, Thanks for your remarks on the Rifle +4 vs the Honda tall screen. I'll be interested in your impressions after you've had it awhile. I've had the Honda tall for four years and like it quite well. It is definitely quieter and more protective than the '90 stock, but with my leg inseam of 29" I definitely look through it. Oddly enough, I don't have the distortion that you have. Still, if I could find a shield at that optimum height where I could look just over it, but still have the air go over my head, I'd buy it tomorrow. Someday, I'd like to meet a PC rider with a Rifle +2 installed that would let me take it for a ride. I've sat on PCs with +4s on them, and I look right through them. I think if I cut my Honda tall down, I'd be almost right back where I was with the stock. Has anyone done this? Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:04:16 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tall screens & removing films Richard, Yes, I may not have been very clear. The screen I cut down was a Honda Tall screen. I cut it a total of 2.75". The majority of the wind does go over my head, as verified by standing up slightly. The top edge of the screen is probably about a half inch below eye level now. I think this is still taller than the stock screens I looked at at the dealer, but it may only be about 1.5-2 inches taller. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) Tim, thanks so much for trip. I've been on most of the same roads, but I could never have described them so beautifully. Actually, I was at WeStar and the ride into Yosemite on Friday with you. We just didn't meet. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:15:49 -0700 To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) Subject: Re: Military Bases Not really sure which of the regulations your refering to. They are all a pain. None the less, I have ridden my '89 PC800 as well as other bikes on & off a couple of different bases. At NAWC-AD-WAR they didn't enforce the dress code to strictly. Here at NRaD they do. The requirements (for civilians at least) are: Must be wearing a long sleeve shirt, gloves, long pants, reflective safety vest, gloves & helment w/ visor or goggles. Any riders must be likewise attired. Motorcycle must be DoD registered vehicle (i.e. proper insurance & registration - owner having attended an AMA motorcycle safety class in order to get DoD sticker). Our traffic safety department will provide safety vest upon request to employees. I believe military are required to be "properly attired" with safety equipment at all times. Civilians are only required to be "properly attired" while on base. The only aspect of this that I find annoying is the long sleeve shirt. My own feeling is that as hot as it is here in San Diego this time of year, I'm not going to wear my leather jacket to work, and linen /cotton sleeves aren't going to make a difference if the worst does happen. Makes it a pain when I come into work on an off day - and happened to put on a t-shirt in the morning. The vest I will wear anytime after dusk (now that I have one) as I think it really does help with visibility - and doesn't affect heat. I always wear helmet, gloves & slacks on the bike anyway. Hope this is useful for comparison. Regards, J. Morrison. >Does anyone out there ride their bike on a military base? >I do (daily) and we've been hit with some absurd "safety" >regulations recently. They're said to be DOD-wide, and I'm >trying to find out what's happening on other bases. You can >reply directly, > rmclanc@sandia.gov > >Thank you much, >Bob Clancy >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. **************************************************************************** The Following is current as of 1 December 1995: Jeffrey G. Morrison, Ph.D. Naval Command, Control and Ocean Survelliance Center RDT&E Division, Code 44210 53560 Hull Street San Diego, CA 92152-5001 Phone: (619) 553-9070 DEFTT Lab: (619) 553-7998 Fax: (619) 553-9229 E-Mail: jmorriso@nosc.mil HOME: 3675 Alexia Place San Diego, CA 92116-2236 (619) 280-8098 NOTE: Binary files are encoded with UUENCODE on a Macintosh computer by default. Use UUDECODE to restore. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:35:07 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > The concept of the trip started innocuously... Thanks for the excellent account of your journey. That was the best "vacation by proxy" I've had in a long time... ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MickeyMatt@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:27:47 -0400 To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Idea I have been away from the computer for a while, but wanted to share something I tried. For the safety concious, this was not as crazy as it sounds. I went to the hardware store and purchased a piece of 1/8" plexiglass about 8" x the width of the windshield, and some good duct tape. Yes, I put a folded up bandana between the two, (positioned so as to not interfere with my vision), and taped the plexiglass to the outside. Put one piece of tape all along the lower edge, and wrap at least 6 inches around the back. It held up fine for a ten minute 60 mph trip with my wife, and we even stopped, readjusted, and experimented with various settings. DO WATCH THE TAPE! If you see it loosen, slow down quick, but it didn't happen to us. Good luck!! MickeyMatt P.S. Take extra tape with you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:10:38 -0600 From: Gary Wasserman To: Timmacy@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@ACM.ORG, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 1-5) Tim, Great story (so far). I only got through the first half last night. Glad you got to do the trip. Regards, -Gary -- Gary Wasserman grw@teleport.com "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes" BMWMOA, BMWRA, GSBMWRA, AMA, MSF, DoD#216, etc. (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:55:41 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:55:41 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: Screens again! Wow they told me all you Yanks had $$$$ ! Buying and playing with every screen in the history of man! I noticed too much wind noise ( also road tests had hinted) soon after purchase, so I went to the back door of a local plastic place and asked the guy for his smallest piece of scrap. Went home and cut it crescent, put in oven @ 200 f for a few minutes, drilled a couple of tiny holes, then used 2 license plate plastic bolts to attatch to screen. Presto Chango, $.75 fix! Mucho dinero EXTRA for riding and NOT WORKING. O>K>, so I lied a bit; took a few tries and taped trials to work out exact size and height, etc. but that was the fun part. OZZIE ingenuety by a super cheapskate. They all said don"t be in such a big rush to tell how bright you are over the list group, I will regret it eh? Ron Grant Ron Grant B.Sc., Dip. Ed., M.Ed., P.Eng. (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:55:41 +1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 20:55:41 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ultspnch@ecn.net.au (Ronald Grant) Subject: Screens again! Wow they told me all you Yanks had $$$$ ! Buying and playing with every screen in the history of man! I noticed too much wind noise ( also road tests had hinted) soon after purchase, so I went to the back door of a local plastic place and asked the guy for his smallest piece of scrap. Went home and cut it crescent, put in oven @ 200 f for a few minutes, drilled a couple of tiny holes, then used 2 license plate plastic bolts to attatch to screen. Presto Chango, $.75 fix! Mucho dinero EXTRA for riding and NOT WORKING. O>K>, so I lied a bit; took a few tries and taped trials to work out exact size and height, etc. but that was the fun part. OZZIE ingenuety by a super cheapskate. They all said don"t be in such a big rush to tell how bright you are over the list group, I will regret it eh? Ron Grant Ron Grant B.Sc., Dip. Ed., M.Ed., P.Eng. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 05:24:53 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 6-10) I got an early start on Day Six. I had decided the past evening that I was going to finally see the north rim of the Grand Canyon. Twice in the past I had been close to the rim, but unable to take the additional time to see it. I am a selfish person by nature; I like to take the unbeaten path and view nature's wonders in solitude. Unfortunately this has become very difficult at our National Parks; they are currently being loved to death. I knew that relatively few people actually visit the north rim due to its inaccessability; I wanted very badly to see it. I took I-15 back into Las Vegas; I was amazed at how much it had grown since I had last been there. The last time I had driven through Las Vegas, the highway still went down The Strip. My, how times have changed. I-15 took me towards Utah Hwy 9, north of St. George. I hadn't been on an Interbore for a few days, so I cranked up the speed and enjoyed the passing scene. A very short stretch of I-15 goes through the corner of Arizona, and the speed drops by 10 mph...which the Arizona highway patrol takes full advantage of. I saw more cops on that 10-mile stretch than I had seen in days. Just after the highway crosses the Utah state line, it goes up through a beautiful canyon...with the emphasis on up. I had determined that I didn't need fuel in Las Vegas, knowing that I could get as far as St. George. I had not factored in the higher speed, however. As I rode up through the canyon, I slowed to 50 mph and held it there, as the needle was pointing almost at the gas pump on the gauge. I limped into St. George, where re-fueling indicated that I only had .1 of a gallon left. Gotta stop doing that. Good thing Nan wasn't with me; she woulda been whacking me on the side of the helmet for that one. She hates it when I see how far I can get on a tankful of gas! My intentions to finally see the north rim of the Grand Canyon carried a bonus: The route took me past Zion National Park...another western wonder that I had never seen. Hwy 9 was a beautiful ride. There had been a lot of rain in southwestern Utah in recent weeks, and the valleys were green and growing. With the backdrop of the red clay cliffs so prevalent in the area, the effect was stunning. I played tourist again and stopped often for pictures. It's too bad that I saw Yosemite before I took in Zion. Zion National Park is spectacular, but it pales in comparison to Yosemite in terms of sheer awe-inspiring knock-me-down gorgeous. Zion, with its sheer red sandstone cliff walls towering 2,000 feet over the cottonwood-lined Virgin River, was certainly beautiful. It was interesting, however, that there were far more tourists at Zion than at Yosemite. I took the 7-mile scenic drive, which was bumper-to-bumper. Road delays due to rockslides from the rains exacerbated the situation, so I wasn't able to spend as much time in Zion as I had wished. Hwy 9 goes through the park, so I continued east towards the north rim. The ride out of the east side of the park was quite amazing, as the 13-mile drive hangs out over the edge of a precipice most of the way up and goes through a series of one-way tunnels blasted through the sandstone. Unique. After Zion, the highway continued to add elevation towards Kanab until I was riding through high plateau forests at about 7,000 feet. That part of Utah is wild and beautiful and very little traffic was on the road. At Mount Caramel Junction I caught Hwy 89 south to Kanab, where Alternate 89 would take me to Hwy 87..which was a one-way trip to the north rim. I had to ride in more than 80 miles and then double back on the same road, but I didn't care. At Kanab I gassed up, anticipating that I would need a full tank to ride to the north rim and back. About 35 miles east of Kanab, at the junction of Alternate 87, was a large Road Closed sign. This was May 13th; Alt. 87 was being opened on May 15th. I couldn't believe it! The third time I'd been aced out, and this time by only two days. But there was nothing I could do about it, so I continued east on 89. I was riding in Kaibab National Forest, the weather was clear and comfortably cool, and my disappointment was blunted by the gorgeous scenery. At high points I could see forever. I was fighting a steady south wind, but it wasn't a problem yet. I stopped at a restaurant next to a Ranger Station and struck up a conversation with some of the other diners. I was informed of another road to the rim, but much of it was unpaved. I didn't feel like doing the dual-sport bit, so I continued east on 89 after lunch. The forest slowly gave way to the Vermillion Cliffs, which is a high north-south ridge that extends for about 30 miles just to the north of the Colorado River. As I descended down into the valley alongside the cliffs, the wind picked up and the weather got hotter and more oppressive. By the time I reached the Colorado River, the temperature was over 100. I stopped for a time at Lees Ferry. Lees Ferry was one of the few crossing points for the Colorado River during the migratory period of the West. most of the north-south traffic had to go through Lees Ferry, as the canyon was too deep to cross further downstream. I was disappointed to note that there was very little to mark the spot. I did get a chance to dip my fevered feet in the Colorado, and the cold waters cooled off my boiling bottle of Liptons Tea very quickly. The road south of the Colorado ran through Marble Canyon and parallel to the Echo Cliffs. It was Navajo country, and there were roadside stands every few miles selling Navajo jewelry and blankets. Most of them were closed. The black cliffs were a stark contrast to the valley, which was cattle range and still fairly green. The wind was blowing steadily from the south by now, and I was leaning into it most of the time. At one point a dust devil crossed the road right in front of me and I had no choice but to ride right into it. Note to myself: Never ride into a dust devil again. The dirt and rocks hit me like so much sandpaper and I was shaken violently for a few seconds. Not an experience to be repeated. I reached Cameron, in the middle of the Painted Desert, at 5 pm. Cameron was at the junction of Hwy 64, the road to the south rim of the Grand Canyon. The last time I had been in Cameron was in 1964. I was traveling cross-country in a Volkswagen bug with a friend and a set of ignition points had broken while we were visiting the south rim. For 45 miles we had coasted down hills and I had run behind the VW twisting the rotor cap to keep the engine chugging to the top of the next hill. It took us 6 hours to get to Cameron, and the gas station we stopped at was a welcome sight in the middle of the night. The guy at the station scrounged up a used set of ignition points that were also broken, but we taped them up and were on our way. No wonder I still see VWs on the road... I was 60 miles from Flagstaff, so I figured on getting gas and riding in to Flag and staying overnight. The Grand Canyon would have to wait until tomorrow. After gassing up, I was chatting with the clerk when I noticed that the clock on the wall read 4 pm. I had changed my watch in Utah and hadn't changed it again when I entered Arizona...which doesn't adhere to Daylight Saving Time. What the heck, I'd just gained an hour! Flagstaff would have to wait--it was on to the Grand Canyon! The ride was uneventul, with the exception of two or three viewpoints. The Colorado at this point has cut a deep, narrow canyon in the high plains desert. Hwy 64 roughly parallels the Colorado, and these viewpoints that peer down into the canyon...which in some ways is more precipitous than the Grand Canyon itself. It reminded me a lot of the Rio Grand River canyon in north-central New Mexico. There were also a lot of Navajo stands beside the highway, and most of these stands were open. There were hordes of tourists scurrying around sampling the jewelry and other goodies. At the Grand Canyon itself, I made it a point to stop at as many of the viewpoints as I could. I was very disappointed in the view, which was very hazy. The wind had been blowing hard from the south all day, and it had filled the canyon with a mixture of dust and other pollutants. The view down to the Colorado was spectacular, but it was difficult to see very far looking out over the canyon. It had been much different in 1964, as we had arrived at the canyon's edge just after a late afternoon hailstorm. The air was crystal-clear and the north rim of the canyon was clearly visible. The rim of the Canyon was also lined with tourists. Most of them were speaking either German or Japanese. I had heard that Europeans and Japanese were fascinated by the American West, and the number of foreign tourists at the Grand Canyon lent more veracity to the stories. I spent about 90 minutes at the rim and took a lot of pictures. Most of them were worthless... I left the park and headed south into the teeth of the wind on hwys 180 & 64 to Williams. I wanted to ride the last remnant of Route 66 the next day, so I figured I would bunk down in Williams. By the time I got to Williams, I was still feeling good, so I headed west on I-40 to Kingman. Kingman was situated at the western end of the Route 66 segment, which seemed like a good place to stay. I-40 drops down out of the San Francisco Mountains and runs across some fairly flat desert land en route to Kingman, so I figured I had plenty of gas. But I hadn't factored in the wind. Riding into the wind for 80 miles and then leaning into it westbound had dropped my gas mileage...and there were no gas stations in sight. I figured I had finally blown it for the first time and was going to be walking. I once again slowed to 50 and puttered along, watching the sun go down. Finally, at the end of an interminable climb, I came upon a gas oasis literally in the middle of nowhere. And, once again I had taken it down to .1 of a gallon. I could feel Nan slapping the side of my helmet again... Kingman was a shock. On the 1964 trip we had blown a throwout bearing just outside Kingman, and it was a teeny-tiny town then. We had to spend two days there waiting for a new bearing to be Greyhounded in from Flagstaff. The garage owner had magnanimously offered to let us lay out our sleeping bags in the back of his van...which he used to haul engines in! We passed on the van and found a $5 motel room. Kingman was now a thriving town of 13,000 and had plenty of motels to choose from. None of them, lamentably, were offering $5 rooms any more. I did not complain... Day Six: 631 miles. Day Seven did not begin well. I had been riding into the sun a good portion of the previous day, and had burned my forehead and nose, as well as my arms. The lotion that I had put on after dinner irritated my eyes, which had burned and watered quite profusely. In the morning I was very careful about applying my sunblock, but it still affected my eyes. As I headed out on Route 66, first one eye would itch and water, then the other. Luckily I did not have problems with both eyes at the same time, or I would not have been able to ride. As it was, I was riding one-eyed much of the time and it was very bothersome. I stopped at a small store right at the edge of the Hualapai Indian Reservation, looking for relief. The owner had a bottle of Murine, which I applied liberally. It offered temporary relief, but the burning did not totally go away. The owner was in a chatty mood, and business was slow, so we talked. He and his wife had been schoolteachers and decided that they wanted to live where the pace was slower. Seeing as there were only 12 people in this little town, I would imagine that the pace had to be slow enough for anyone! I was intrigued by the fact that half of his store was taken up by beer coolers, and he explained that the tourist trade was only productive for about 5 months every year. Occasionally busloads of foreign tourists would come in, and he had souvenirs and trinkets enough for them. But he made his money from selling beer to the Indians, because the sale of alcohol was banned on the reservation. Just at that point a carload of tourists came in, so I politely excused myself and headed down the road. I had grown up in Rapid City, SD, and had seen first-hand the effects that alcohol had on the Lakota Sioux who came into town from the Pine Ridge Reservation. I had strong feelings about how a person could make his living off the misfortunes of others, but I knew that any protracted debate would do no good. So I just headed down the road. I stopped a couple of times for the obligatory picture-in-front-of-the-Route 66 sign. The road is littered with the corpses of long-dead gas stations and stores--the businesses that fueled and fed hordes of travelers for decades. Then the Interstate road system buried most of Route 66 and turned this stretch of road into an anachronism. I even saw a 1953 Buick Roadmaster abandoned by the side of the road, its hood yawning open. How appropriate.... I took a break in Peach Springs, where I bought some bottled tea and a snack from the local store and sat under an inviting tree. Peach Springs is in the middle of the Reservation. As I sat contemplating the scene, a local wandered over. We got to talking and he revealed that he was a full-blooded Navajo who had tried to survive in California but had returned to his boyhood home. He was hung over, and was trying to bum a ride to the store at the edge of the "Res", as he called it. He needed a bit of the Hair of the Dog. As we sat talking, a friend of his pulled into the gas station across the highway and he sauntered over to hook a ride. No morality play here. Just tellin' ya what happened.... The rest of Route 66, past the Aubrey Cliffs, was lonely and beautiful. The mountains north of the Colorado were visible in the distance. The Then I caught up with I-40 again at Seligman. I headed east towards Flagstaff, until I came to the intersection of Hwy 89. I consulted my trusty, dusty map and discovered that 89 would take me to Prescott. I had been in Prescott once before, and I had really liked the area. So I headed south. In 1976 I was invited out for an interview at a hospital in Cottonwood. I flew into Phoenix, then drove a rental car to Cottonwood. The Administrator at the hospital was too busy to see me for a couple of days, so I put a few hundred miles on the car exploring the area. Prescott, nestled in the pine hills and red bluff cliffs of Prescott National Forest, was a very intriguing place to me. It reminded me of Rapid City. I wanted to see it again. The ride down was very enjoyable. Traffic was light and the road consisted of tight curves in the forest and long sweeping curves through the large cattle ranches in the Chino Valley. I grabbed lunch in Prescott and headed north again, where I cut northeast towards Jerome and Cottonwood on 89A. 89A was a sweetheart of a road. After a long straight level stretch, it started climbing back into the mountains, where it topped out at over 7,000 feet. I found a side road near the top where I pulled off about a mile into the forest and took a break. The silence was deafening. It was beautiful. The ride down to Jerome was basically a series of switchbacks, but the road was good so I enjoyed the ride to the max. I had driven to Jerome in ''76, and the road was terrible. A lot had changed in the intervening 20 years. Jerome had been a silver mining town built right on the side of the mountain. The roads are mostly one-way and very, very steep. 20 years ago Jerome was a ghost town and only a few buildings were occupied, mostly by hippies fleeing civilization. Now most of the shops and stores are very trendy and catering to the tourist trade. I was glad I was on a bike; it was much easier to get around. The patriarch of the town had built a mansion there; I have pictures of the abandoned and rotting building from my previous trip. Now it's been totally refurbished by the State of Arizona and is a museum, so I took a tour through the place. Very fascinating repository for the history of the area. I then dropped down to Cottonwood in the valley. Cottonwood was TINY 20 years ago; that was one of the things that turned me off about the place; that and the fact that the owner/administrator of the hospital was a total asshole. Now there's 6,000 inhabitants of the town, and many, many more people living in the area around the town. I actually got into a mid-day traffic jam, whereas the last time I was thru the place in 5 minutes. It was amazing. The same thing was true of trendy little artsy-craftsy Sedona. In the 70s it wasn't even a tourist destination yet; it had one of the most beautiful small-town settings in the southwest, what with the towering red cliffs and surrounding verdant valleys. This time it was completely covered over with wall-to-wall tourists. I went up Oak Creek Canyon to Flagstaff. Big Mistake. There were road construction delays that ate up over an hour. I got into Flag at about 3 pm and decided that it would be a good day to stop early. My eyes were still bothering me and I also needed to do some laundry. So I crashed at a motel with a laundromat and took a break. Day Seven: 254 Miles. The Eighth Day dawned clear and cool, and the ubiquitous south wind had not yet started to blow. My destination for the day was Phoenix, and I had the whole day to get there. Phoenix was only about 150 miles via the Interbore, and I had no intention of taking the slab to get there. I plotted a course down a back road through the Mogollon Plateau to Long Valley on Hwy 87, which I planned taking to Payson and then down through the Mazatzai Mountains to Phoenix. The first leg of the trip was on a road called Mary's Road by the locals, and it went past Mormon Lake in the Coconino National Forest. The temperature was in the mid-60s and there was absolutely no traffic. It was a perfect day for a ride and I was enjoying myself thoroughly. Since I had all day to play, I took my time and stopped often just to enjoy the scenery and the solitude. At Payson, traffic picked up and so did the temperature, so I strapped my jacket on the back of the bike. About 15 miles south of Payson there were a series of signs proclaiming that major surgery was being performed on Hwy 89 about 50 miles down the road and that delays for up to 4 hours could be expected. No way that I could feature waiting 4 hours to get past road work, so I once again consulted my map. I determined that I could catch hwy 188 about 15 miles ahead, which would take me through Tonto Basin and past Theodore Roosevelt Lake. At Roosevelt I could catch Hwy 88, which would take me through Tortilla Flat and on into Apache Junction, which was about 30 miles east of Tempe. Jim and Donna Latus lived in Tempe, and had offered to let me stay with them. I had moved to South Milwaukee, WI when I was 15. Jim is my sister-in-law's brother, and I hadn't seen him and Donna since their wedding in the 70's. Jim and I had been chatting back and forth on the net for about six months, and I was pleased to learn that he, too, was a motorcyclist. He rides a Harley, but I don't hold that against him...! I caught 188, and was immediately glad that I had detoured. There was very little traffic on this road, and it meandered happily on through a beautiful series of valleys to T. Roosevelt Lake. At the lake I turned right onto Hwy 88, which immediately started climbing along the side of a cliff paralleling Apache Lake. About a mile later, I discovered that my dusty map hadn't been trusty this time. The asphalt road disappeared and I found myself riding on a rutted, washboardy gravel road! I stopped and consulted the map again, and nope! It still showed the solid black line designating paved road. So I continued down the road a bit and came to a sign indicating that I was in for 26 miles of torture! At this point I felt that I had committed myself, and I wasn't really worried, beause we'd taken gravel roads before and the StealthMobile had taken them in stride. But the road kept climbing and the cliffs became more torturous, and the washboards kept getting worse and worse. Luckily most of the gravel had been pushed to the center and sides of the road, so all I was dealing with was the washboards. But I was forced to go as slow as 5 mph on tight turns in order to keep from bouncing off the road...and the precipice yawning off to the right did not make this alternative an attractive one. As I got further down the road, the terrain became more desert-like, with an occasional saguaro cactus looming beside the road and more evidence of past volcanic activity littering the landscape. And the temperature kept climbing until I was sure it was at least 100. My inability to go over 20 mph resulted in the bike overheating, and the fan was continuously running. Fortunately the gauge had not yet spiked to the top yet, but I was getting concerned. For once the solitude was not as welcome as it would be under normal circumstances. I saw very little traffic, mostly of the 4-wheel-drive variety, and I got a few startled looks. After all, the PC is not touted as an offroad vehicle. The last 5 miles were the worst. The road got very narrow and zigzagged at an impossibly steep angle right up the side of a cliff. By this time the bike was running very hot, and I was getting very worried that it was going to overheat before I crawled out of this hellhole. The air was very still, and it had to be about 110 degrees. I met a car right at the apex of a tight left-hand curve; there was a wide pull-over spot that he was supposed to sit in while I went past. Of course, it did not occur to this clown that he should play by the rules, so he bullied his way past, which forced me right to the edge of the cliff. I couldn't stop, because I was in loose gravel, and I was only about a foot from the edge. And I'm terrified of high places... Another two miles of this madness, and I was at the top. I was also back on the asphalt road. I stopped right in the middle of the road and took a long break. I also used the occasion to gulp down a 90 degree bottle of used-to-be-iced tea. It tasted real good. Jim was amazed that I had taken hwy 88. He told me that this stretch of road is littered with the wrecks of cars and motorcycles down in the canyon. I would't know...I never looked down. The ironic aspect of this entire episode was that the rest of the ride down to Apache Junction was probably as beautiful as anything that I had seen in Arizona. In addition, there was a stretch of about 15 - 20 miles of curves that must have been designed by a motorcyclist. I got into a Ricky Road Racer mode and played the whole way. Jim told me later that I was lucky it was a weekday. The road is so well known that on weekends it's overrun by racing motorcycles...and cops. Just north of Apache Junction is the Lost Dutchman State Park, where a mountain juts out of the desert floor. Somewhere on that mountain is the fabled Lost Dutchman Mine, which was the subject of many a enterprising miner's search. I briefly considered stopping, but my dual-sport escapade had exhausted me, and I was hungry. I stopped for a late lunch in Tempe, and gave Jim a call. He came to escort me to his house, and my day was done. Day Eight: 219 Miles. I spent the ninth day of my trip doing exactly nothing. I watched tv and read a book all day. It was very hot in Tempe, and I was very glad to take a break from the heat and the road. I enjoyed my time with the Latuses immensely; they were very gracious hosts. That evening I went out to dinner with my cousin Patricia Heathershaw, who lived on the north side of Phoenix. Day Nine: Zero Miles. Day Ten was an interesting day. I had to be back in Las Vegas by the mid-afternoon in order to meet Trevor, and I had about a 350-mile ride, so I didn't have the latitude that I had enjoyed on previous days. The only logical choice was hwy 60 angling northwest out of Phoenix, which would take me to hwy 93 back to I-40 and Kingman. No side roads, no "gee, I wonder where that'll take me" attitude. Darn. After negotiating my way around Phoenix, I stopped for an early breakfast in Sun City West. There was so much wrinkled skin at Denny's that I briefly considered if I could get a discount for being under 50. Just north of Denny's there was a Yamaha with Florida plates sitting beside the road; its owner waved at me when I went by. About five miles later, after some inadvisable moves through heavy traffic, he was next to me. Remember the scene in Easy Rider when Dennis Hopper is doing various stunts on his bike like standing up, etc? Well, my shirtless, toothless new friend was Dennis Hopper reincarnated. He would drop back, then go roaring past me while standing on his bike. Or he would settle in right next to me CHIPS-style...and proceed to ride with his feet on the handlebars. This went on for about 30 miles, and his antics had already worn thin after about 5 miles. My only salvation was that he was riding a cruiser, and his gas tank had half the capacity of mine. So I held my course, ridin' my ride, and he eventually had to stop for gas. What a character. Highway 93 went through some really pretty country, and it slowly gained altitude. The infernal south wind had finally abated, so there was very little dust in the air and I could see the Weaver and Aquarius Mountains in the distance. The last 30 miles of the highway ran parallel to the Hulalapai Mountains to the west, and they shimmered gold and purple hues in the distance. It was a beautiful day. After a short jaunt on I-40 to Kingman, I continued northwest on 93 towards Hoover Dam. That stretch of road was flat, straight, and very boring. I was in no hurry, so I had been cruising along at 55-60 mph since Sun City. I was getting great gas mileage, but at 200 miles I decided I'd better stop for gas since I didn't know what was between me and the Dam. A quick calculation determined that I had gotten 57.1 mpg for those 200 miles; I still had .7 of a gallon left! I am glad, however, that common sense had prevailed; that was the last gas station I saw for 50 miles. As I came upon Hoover Dam, I saw a number of motorcycles sitting in a parking lot, so I scooted right in. I immediately noted that they were all Harleys, but the riders were all speaking German. So I chatted with one of them, and it turned out that they had flown in to Phoenix en masse and had rented the bikes from a touring company based there. They had a chase van with food and another chase van with a mechanic and motorcycle parts! As they seemed to be middle-aged businessmen, I was intrigued by the fact that many of them had tattoos. Turned out that they were the fake stick-on type... Ah, the American Experience! The rest of the ride was uneventful, and I reached Las Vegas about 30 minutes later. Trevor and I had reservations at CircusCircus; it took me 45 more minutes to find it. It was the only time during the entire trip that I got lost. Day Ten: 339 miles. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:41:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases Hi Jeff: In a message dated 96-07-30 19:23:51 EDT, you write: << The only aspect of this that I find annoying is the long sleeve shirt. My own feeling is that as hot as it is here in San Diego this time of year, I'm not going to wear my leather jacket to work, and linen /cotton sleeves aren't going to make a difference if the worst does happen. >> The long-sleeves requirement is based on the MSF's guidelines for proper riding gear, which the military has adopted as its standard. This particular recommendation is misunderstood by most riders who have not had the benefit of a long-time association with the MSF. The long sleeves (unless they happen to be on a protective jacket or suit) are not intended to reduce injury in a crash. Rather they are to protect the rider from the elements (most particularly the harmful long-term effects of exposing the skin to direct sun--there is no such thing as a "healthy tan."), to delay dehydration (by reducing the rate of fluid loss) and to provide comfort by reducing the skin temperature. Contrary to popular belief, in direct sunlight a light-weight long-sleeved shirt is cooler than riding with bare arms. These same concepts are behind the recommendation for wearing long pants and gloves, although there are some other benefits associated with them as well. Even the recommendations to wear a helmet and eye protection are strongly based on protection from the environment. All of the recommended riding gear will afford some degree of protection against injury in the event of a collision, but unless you are wearing properly padded leather, kevlar or cordura, the injury-reduction benefits of all but the helmet are of minimal significance. But there are positive benefits to be derived from wearing the proper gear even if you never fall off a motorcycle, and this is the thrust of the MSF's recommendations. They all are pointed to the issue of maintaining the rider's ability to concentrate on the demanding tasks of riding by preventing both the distractions of discomfort and the debilitating effects of exposure to the elements. An alert, undistracted rider is more likely to avoid a problem, and a comfortable rider is able to more fully enjoy the riding experience. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:38:25 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Military bases & body heat >>all are pointed to the issue of maintaining the rider's ability to >>concentrate on the demanding tasks of riding by preventing both the >>distractions of discomfort and the debilitating effects of exposure to the >>elements. An alert, undistracted rider is more likely to avoid a problem, My point exactly, in fighting the military long-sleeve requirement. Maybe things are different in more humid climes, but riding my PC, I find I'm much more comfortable with bare arms getting some airflow over them, than with them covered. Also, I expect if I were riding at highway speeds, the covered arms would not be much of a problem, but we're talking about low speeds, around the base, often stop-and-go. Bob C. Albuquerque ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 16:47:09 UT From: "Paul Hayes" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Need advice on PC800 purchase I'm a novice at this, but I've been reading all these posts for a couple of weeks. I found an '89 PC800 for sale and need any advice you care to offer. The bike is very clean, never dropped. Some other particulars: - Tall screen (4"), also has original both in good shape - New Sony AM/FM Cassette in trunk, remote control stick up front - Factory passenger backrest, factory saddle - newish Metzler tires front and back - just serviced (all fluids) - new Interstate battery - new tags (1 month old - $89) - 8100 miles, bike garaged for it's whole life - Cosmetically very clean, some very scuffs - Mechanically it runs and sounds great. - Price: $4200 The only possible concern is he said that when it's cold, there's a baffle sound in the muffler that goes away as the engine warms up - 5 minutes. He couldn't show me the sound, as the bike had been earlier in the day when I went over to check it out. Most appealing to me is that the bike is actually only 30 minutes from where I work - I have been fearing I'd have to go out of state to find this bike! Any advice? Thanks. - pauly ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases JT, With all due respect, I could not disagree more with your clear implication that because someone else or some, entity, e.g., DoD, is convinced that because they know what is best for me, automatically gives them the right to deny me the same freedom to decide for myself. The MSF guidelines are good common sense and accurate for the most part. The operable word here is "GUIDELINES", not "MANDATORY" because people like yourself think you have the right to dictate how others shall live. Incidentally, the rules are the same for civilians or military (I'm a civilian in my 38th consecutive year of working on military bases). So, Dod decides to adopt what originated as reasonable guidelines and make them mandatory, and you seem to feel that is perfectly OK. I think it's rephrehensible. JT, you state that there is no such thing as a "healthy tan". True, but your implication that a tan is unhealty is untrue. A tan does not make you healthier, but neither is it unhealthy. What is unhealthy is sunburn, but it is not necessary to burn even a little in order to tan. This is just a single example of the irrelevancy of taking guidelines intended for country-wide riding and applying them to the restricted environment of a military base. I'm not a child that needs the government to tell me how much sun I should get on my arms. I'm 63 and I've done just fine making that type of decision for myself, thank you. I've driven on many bases in CONUS, plus Japan, Korea, Guam, Phillipines and Hawaii. Rarely does the speed limit exceed 25 mph and usually you cover under five miles to get from the gate to your destination - hardly time to get dehydrated and sunburned as you imply. Also, if you think that bundled up on a hot day makes me "An alert, undistracted, comfortable rider that is more able to fully enjoy the riding experience", as you put it, then you are dead wrong. This is the folly that results from people of your mindset using the shotgun approach of making a reasonable set of guidelines (which were never intended for a two-mile drive at 25 mph, or even a 20 minute commute leading to the base), mandatory, because big brother knows best. The irony is that the result is to deprive our military men and women of the very type of freedoms that they are committed to defending - and people like myself who support them. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:39:40 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: Military bases The more things change, the more they stay the same. Griping about military life, only now its on the internet. It's like my nephews who still don't believe me when I tell them that there was a time when you had to get off the sofa to change the TV channel! God, I hope someone on this list remembers, or at least believes me. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Need advice on PC800 purchase To: Paul Hayes cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com That sounds like an reasonable price. Is the sound system the Kenwood unit everybody talks about? Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:19:28 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases Hey Richard, Lighten up..... JT is a good guy who is sometimes perhaps over zealous in the expression of his opinions. JT definately supports free speech, expression....... Hey, have either of you guys heard about the Nude Motorcycle Club in TX? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:14:44 -0400 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Need advice on PC800 purchase You didn't mention where you live but if you don't go buy the thing right away, someone reading this will trace your e-maill address, hunt down the owner and grab it. It sounds like a great deal. Why is the guy selling? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:43:24 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases Complaining about DOD motorcycle regulations....we have a government (state, federal, county, and city) that is taking 52% of our gross incomes in various taxes, franchise fees and retirement set asides that we never get. A government that wants to come into our living room to monitor what we watch on our TV, into our bedroom to make sure we are using the approved birth control method and read everything we write on the internet. A government that believes it has the right to know our most personal information so it can control our actions through the tax code. A government that is taxing our life blood away so it can buy the votes necessary to get re-elected. A government that , directly or indirectly, employs one out of every ten Americans, and holds the 30% of the rest in homage to some of entitlement payment or welfare check or special dispensation, purchased by supporting the correct Senator or Repersentative, by honorable mention on the annual tax bill. Motorcycle regulations...did you put up your hand and ask to go to the bathroom. Sorry, I forgot, this is a motorcycle news group. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 17:30:32 +0600 To: Pauly@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Need advice on PC800 purchase Content-Id: <22_66_1_838848632> Pauly, BUY THIS BIKE IMMEDIATELY! But try to talk him down on the price. (*Always* try to get the price down!) --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Doug3030@aol.com, fpf@gasco.com, turtlez@magicnet.net, macyss@mail.kdcol.com, LaughngGs@aol.com, dabeemer@execpc.com, grw@acm.org, c22jpk@koptsv01.delcoelect.com, 73730.2756@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Motorcycle Therapy (Days 6-10) Great trip report, Tim. You write so I can identify well with your feelings/impressions. Thanks again. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Hey Richard, > > Lighten up..... JT is a good guy who is sometimes perhaps over zealous in > the expression of his opinions. JT definately supports free speech, > expression....... OK, will do. > Hey, have either of you guys heard about the Nude Motorcycle Club in TX? NO. Tell us about it! (why do I feel like a straight man?) > > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Military Bases I could not have said it half as good, Bernie. On Wed, 31 Jul 1996 BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > Complaining about DOD motorcycle regulations....we have a government > (state, federal, county, and city) that is taking 52% of our gross > incomes in various taxes, franchise fees and retirement set asides that > we never get. A government that wants to come into our living room to > monitor what we watch on our TV, into our bedroom to make sure we are > using the approved birth control method and read everything we write on > the internet. A government that believes it has the right to know our > most personal information so it can control our actions through the tax > code. A government that is taxing our life blood away so it can buy the > votes necessary to get re-elected. A government that , directly or > indirectly, employs one out of every ten Americans, and holds the 30% > of the rest in homage to some of entitlement payment or welfare check > or special dispensation, purchased by supporting the correct Senator or > Repersentative, by honorable mention on the annual tax bill. Motorcycle > regulations...did you put up your hand and ask to go to the bathroom. > > Sorry, I forgot, this is a motorcycle news group. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 17:44:41 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Which tall screen Content-Id: <22_66_1_838849481> Jason wrote: > >>>>> "JH" == "jhyder" writes: > > JH> You're joking, right, Rog? > > Nope. > > JH> I've had my tall (read '90 standard) windshield on my '89 for more than > JH> 5 years, with no such problems. > > No, the windshield on the '90 and later bike is not the same as the tall > Honda shield. The '89 shield isn't much shorter than the stock '90 shield > (I have both on my '94), but the tall shield is much different; it flares > out to the side much more and is several inches taller. > > - J< Well, I just went out to check the original (stock '89) screen against my "tall" one, and the tall one is more than seven inches taller than the stock '89. It also flares out about two inches on each side. So although I thought (five years ago) that I was getting the standard '90 screen, looks like I got the Hondaline accessory shield. Until now, I didn't know there was a difference. I still have never had anything like the burning problems several people have reported here. Although I always keep the bike under cover here at home, I don't travel with the cover, and there have been more than a few days at home that it wasn't covered. So I'm surprised, if I really have the same shield as the rest of you, that I've never been burned (pun intended). *Pleased* but surprised. I guess it just comes from living a good clean life. (Yeah, right!) Of course, all this becomes moot in a week or two when my new color-matched Rifle shows up. Or perhaps I should say IF. When I ordered it about five or six weeks ago, they said they could send out the black immediately, but color matching would take an extra two weeks. When I called this morning they said they'd ship it early next week, which is what they said last week (meaning it "should" have gone out this week). After reading Gregg's detailed and informative post about all that goes into matching our lovely Honda pearl color, I'm a bit more sympathetic and willing to be patient. (I hope that Rifle read that post, too!) But it would be nice to have the thing before winter sets in! So assuming that I like the Rifle, I may be willing in the near future to sell the short '89 shield and/or the tall accessory shield to anyone interested. I would even consider shipping to Australia, where I understand there are actually PCs on the streets with grotty bits of plexiglas BOLTED on top of the standard windscreens! Ugghh! (I kid our cheapskate Aussie member.) You can be sure that I'll keep you all informed. --James Hyder Columbia, MD '89 PC800, 26K miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:56:47 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Military Bases Richard A. Hardy wrote: > With all due respect, I could not disagree more with your clear > implication that because someone else or some, entity, e.g., DoD, is > convinced that because they know what is best for me, automatically gives > them the right to deny me the same freedom to decide for myself... I believe that this thread has crossed the threshold and has now become an "Irwin Allen Production"... For those un-hip to 60's TV, he produced: Lost In Space Time Tunnel Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea Land Of The Giants (And several full length disaster movies) Common theme: Fire and FLAMES... Fortunately, I deal with hot weather fairly well. Unless the humidity approaches that of a rain forest I wear two piece leathers, boots, gloves and full face helmet. Those few times it's too humid, I trade the leather jacket for a Hein Gericke Dual-Sport jacket with body armor. There, my humble $0.02. gk ___________________________________________________________________ Bandwidth Irresponsibility 101A: Gary E. Klim - Somewhere in central Connecticut ___________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:50:01 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: 1989 PC800 - 1600 miles Early this year, I put my name in a classified wanted to buy ad on some web site. I just received the following message. A second message stated that the bike has 1600 miles on it and is in showroom condition. I believe the area code is from Dallas. If anyone on the list is interested in the bike, go for it as I bought one locally in April. Price looks awfully good for a bike with only 1600 miles on it. Regards, Bob I have several Honda's, a 92 ST1100, and the 89 PC and recently signed up >for a blk/yellow valkyrie to be delivered end of august. In view of this >i am selling the PC ... $3,700 takes it if interested give me a shout >817-498-8496 home 214-718-1439 work and rschmitter@why.net >good riding ! > >