********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: AW: AW: SAENG conclusions Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:07:19 +-200 Aah. Sounds good. What's "Rifle's" . . .? ---------- Van: David Gross[SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 1 juni 1996 4:14 Aan: Rob Ramsey; 'PC800' Onderwerp: Re: AW: PC800: SAENG conclusions rob...the 89 shied is about 2 inches shorter and not as wide. I successfuly put a '90 shield on mine..NICE improvement! A little more back pressure, but the reduced wind noise is wonderful...ask around on the board..there are quite a few people who put Rifle's on and have sheilds laying around (I got mine for $50!). Just post a request! _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:27:10 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Shocks ? Todd wrote: >The PC has adjustable rear shocks. I've been too much of a girly man to >adjust mine Well, I flexed my butch muscles, shot my WD-40 and did it a few times when I first got the bike and I can't say that I could really notice much of a difference- with a heavy passenger, on "softest" the shock would bottom out on bumps (causing said passenger to scream in terror) but really I didn't notice the ride was particularly different. Given the entertainment provided by the screaming, really I was half tempted to leave it on "softest" all the time. Wallowing in mediocrity, however, I finally chose position 3, er, whatever middle position is. Y'know, with the audio conferences that I participate in, there are people who can hear the difference between music played through monster cables, CDs that have the inside rim coloured green, and people who put CDs in the freezer for a couple of weeks, because they sound better after their internal stresses are releived. We call them "Golden Ears." Sometimes I wonder if that adjustment isn't for the "Golden Asses" among us. Hmmm -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 10:14:25 -0400 To: WKern@gnn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Americade Walt, I will be at Americade starting wed. I have a black 95. It will be easy to pick me out as I have Wyoming plates. Hope to see you there! Chris Klass ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 Jun 96 14:28:23 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:SUZIMODLIN@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Back on the list again ROFLOL!!!!!!! :-) HERE hERE!!!!! well said... then again I dare them to ride their bikes as hard as I have and see if there bike is as forgiving as my pc800...after all those type of wimps wouldnt even think about riding there shinny crotch rockets to the artic circle and back in 32 days 10,000 miles..... Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinati,Ohio 90PC800 HSTA/HRCA/AMA/RedKnights ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:17:05 -0400 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Them BIG Words Well Steve, Mr. Lawyer type guy, allow me to be of assistance... (here comes a thread) HAT, as in "Cat in the..." topper, chapeau, lid, ...... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 18:14:19 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Re: Them BIG Words "Hat," Gunther? Very well... EGGS As in "Green... and Ham" -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:48:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: new member info Frank Ferrante Toms River, N.J. FF731@aol.com PC800 1996 model year bought new ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:41:22 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shocks ? well said..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:43:06 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Them BIG Words In a message dated 96-06-01 21:26:38 EDT, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) writes: >EGGS > >As in "Green... and Ham" I Yam I Yam..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: new member info From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 02 Jun 1996 01:01:50 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "F" == FF731 writes: F> PC800 1996 model year bought new Ah, yes. RED! (Just took the time to look closely at one at the shop today while my friend was buying fork seals. I never noticed that even the dash/handlebar cover plastic is blacker. The lower, normally silver section almost has that "carbon fiber" look. Trick! Ooh, I feel squidly!) Welcome aboard. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:28:46 -0400 To: FF731@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: new member info Welcome to the net. I am sure you will enjoy your new PC. I have learned more about by bike from this source than from the manual or magazines. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> cc: Barbara Brick Subject: Re: pc stator failure Joe, That's the really scarey part of your stator going...there is no warning! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On 29 May 1996, Joe Beresford wrote: > OUCH!!! > > All this talk about stators is scarring me.....grin > > How do you know when its going bad???? and what the heck is all this talk a bout > hidden warrenyties??? > (as I am getting ready for another long trip up thru CANADA NS/NB/NF) should I > be worried.... > > Fireman Joe > Cincinnati, Ohio > HSTA 90 pc800 > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Roger Prince cc: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> Subject: RE: from Corbin Roger, There is nothing wrong with the stock seat...that is until you've ridden on the corbin seat. I've had mine for a little over a year now and there is a world of difference. It's slightly lower, the passenger seat is way more comfortable (or so I'm told by my passenger), the rider's seat is more comfortable, and the rider's backrest (more of an upper buttrest) is nice too. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 30 May 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > What's wrong with the stock seat? > > ################################################################ > *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 > *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 > *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman > *FRANKLIN, MA > ################################################################ > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Back on the list again I've been to quite a few rallies, in fact I just got back from the Rider Rally (more on that later) and there were a lot of pc's at the rallies and only maybe 25% of them were being ridden by women. I saw more women riding harleys and gold wings and the new royal stars. Fortunately not all riders are brand snobs. Also, I like to ride the twisties at high speed and never had a problem with scaping the pegs. Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Wed, 29 May 1996 SUZIMODLIN@aol.com wrote: > > > I am running under my wife's login. I was a member of this newsgroup over > a year > ago. I have a 89 PC800 that has a built in intercom/stereo. I bought it used > for $3500 > with about 5K for miles. I have put on the Metzler tires as was recommended > from > this group. Great grip and control. Marathon m88. Backrest and the large > windshield. > Stealth edging that looks good but I still don't know if its worth the > trouble. > > I like to be behind the windshield, look through it and the edging does leave > a blind > spot that I have gotten used to. I kind of use it as a range/distance mark. > I look > down the road then off to the side till I can't see from the edging. Seems > to make > me focus on how far away things are. > > Have over 12k now, use mainly as a daily commuter when the weather is fit. > I'll > ride in wet weather but not by choice. > > I have seen a reoccuring backlash toward the the bike/owners lately in Cycle > World > last two issues. In a leters to the editor, a guy talked about how great the > bike > was but he had to ride at night to hide the fact that the bike looked like an > overgrown > scooter. He said he felt like the bike was made for George Jetson, being > futuristic. > But the editor said George, working for Spacely Sprockets, would never ride > a shaft bike. But his wife Jane, would. > > The recent review of the ST1100 in Cycle world, the guy laments the fact that > the > st looks too much like a PC800. > > A gold wing rider flagged me down just to look at my ride, then told me he > sees alot > of these PC800 at the rallys and getogethers they have. Except he says he > only > sees women ridding them. Like the real men ride wings and their women ride > PC800. > > > Well to hell with them all. I like the bike and I don't care if it is > refrigerator white with > a fat Dumbo butt. I had a guy one time as me if it was a "real" bike with an > engine > or just a moped with a fairing. > > I have owned and ridden bikes for over 25 years, never had a more stable, > dependable > ride. Smooth from the first time I test drove it. I would like more power, > the St1100 > is the next logical step up. > > I am looking for a used ST, will travel for the right bike. > > I read the first article in CW about the PC800, back in 89. There only > complaint was > the wobble on pavement at speeds above 85mph and the pegs scrapeing when > thrown hard in a turn. > > I don't ride like that, above 85mph is not something I do on my way to work > every day. > > If I ever lean that far over in a turn I assume I have just Armoralled the > seat and am > sliding off the damm bike. > > Consider the price of the bike and the fact that it performs the role of bike > that cost > above 10K and I think its a bargain. I carry everything in my trunk, even 3 > cases > of cat food once just to prove I could. Try that on a crotch rocket, and > they say this > bike don't attract pussy! > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Jun 96 22:11:32 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Appleton, WI PC owner!!!!!! Hey John (hope I've got the name right!), Juan and I had been conversing w/ you a while back about taking the ferry across Lake MI. We're planning on doing it. Quick question for the moment: Will be spending the night in Chippewa Falls. What's the better route to get there, US 10 or Hwy 29? Didn't keep your address, but Juan did, but his phone is busy, and being a very impatient person, I thought I'd just message to you real quick. Hope your name is John, that's what got stuck in my head. Sorry if I'm wrong! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Sun Jun 2 22:26:05 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 23:20:40 -0400 To: 103342.3616@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Appleton, WI PC owner!!!!!! Hey guys, when are you coming through the area? I'm in Chicago but I'd like to meet cha'? What's the deal? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 23:29:21 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: First days on the 96 PC... Hi to all of you PC owners... The blessed day came last Friday as I was able to pick up my new 96 PC from the dealer. The backrest hadn't arrived yet, but I know that I'll be back for the 600 mile oil change before it will arrive, so I chose to take the bike for now, as is. The red color is growing on me. I saw one of the 89 pearl colored bikes, and (sorry to all you 89 owners) had to admit that the Porsche red is a very sharp color. I've had the bike out for 450 miles so far (all under the 4,000 RPM break in suggestions, which works out to be about 60 MPH in 5th gear). I have to say that the bike works wonderfully. The weather cooperated here in Wisconsin on Friday, Saturday morning, and Sunday morning. The bike is excellent at night. The high beam is blinding off of speed limit signs, and the dash llights up in a very friendly blue. The stock windshield is adaquate for speeds under 45 MPH. However, above 45 MPH, I wish that I had the extended windshield (or was simply two inches shorter). The only wind problems I've had have been getting blown around by side winds. I don't know what people have against the PC that say it isn't high performance enough for them! After all, consider what the PC is designed to do! It's not a crotch rocket. If we'd have wanted a crotch rocket, we could have all bought them! Thus far, the PC can out out all that I'll ever need in any traffic condition. Furthermore, the bike IS quiet. For those people who say that cycle noise is safer...well, let me just say that it's something else to be stopped and to HEAR traffic coming. Which is safer? You tell me. One other great story...people just don't know about the PC and its features. I stopped at several places for shopping these past days...and you should have seen the STARES the PC got for its trunk! Mind you, these are stares of respect and awe. Also had a chance to park next to a Honda Elite 250cc Scooter. Let me say, once and for all, that the PC never has been and never will be a scooter. Let's be honest. We drive the Accord of the motorcycle industry. Some people don't like them, but those who own them are very satisified. Someday I'll write the comparisions I've been making between the H-D V-twins and the PC for your enjoyment. Sorry for the long post...and happy riding! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 21:05:38 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: First days on the 96 PC... Chris, Sounds like you're breaking your new bike in just fine! repeat after me: "'Scooter?' sure -- an 800 cc V-twin scooter." That'll get their attention -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:00:12 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Ride For Kids - Atlanta To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Fellow PCers: I just wanted to thank all of you again for your support for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation Ride for Kids that was held yesterday in Atlanta. With your help, we were able to raise over $200,000 for the Pediatric Brain Tumor research. I rode up Saturday morning to Helen with a group from the GA Chapter of the HSTA to help set up chairs and other final details. We left about 9am and although it was sunny, it was kinda chilly on my arms and upper chest despite wearing my HG leather jacket (without lining). We worked pretty hard so we didn't have a lot of play time. Sunday, Debbie and I were up at 4:30 to be at the registration area by 6:30. City riding is very easy when there is no traffic, although we did encounter a couple of intersections where the PC would not activate the imbedded vehicle sensor and change the light. We would wait one sequence and if a car wasn't coming to activate, we would go on through albeit very carefully! What a thrill it was to hear over 2,500 cycles rev up (is that a Harley I hear?) at 9:30 to start the ride. With all the noise, I had to look at my tach to make sure the PC motor was running. We were lucky to have such strong support from the Fulton County Deputy police, GA State Highway Patrol and numerous other law enforcement agencies posted at all intersections and side streets for the entire 75 mile ride to let us pass uninpeded. If you have never participated in such a ride, I really encourage you to do so. The accordian nature of the procession gives you a lot of acceleration and braking, which isn't such fun, but it does keep you alert. There were terrific crowds along the side of the road watching the procession and cheering everyone one. My son took some pictures from an overpass and if they turn out good, I will see about having them scanned and posted. The real reward was seeing and meeting some of the kids that have been battling this terrible disease. Eight kids (ranging from 7 to 17) were there to tell their story of how much the support of the motorcycling community meant to them and their family and how the efforts of this group had allowed them to continue to fight, and in some cases beat, their illness. There wasn't a dry eye under the big tent. All in all a great day. The clouds that threatened some rain in the morning gave way to a sunny, but mild day. Thanks again for all your support. If there is a RFK or similar charity ride in your area, raise some money and participate. You'll never forget it. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:53:49 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Intercom / Audio Systems To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu While in Helen on Saturday, I got to examine several intercom and sound system units as I am not satisfied at all with my NADY portable unit. Mike Traynor had a J&M unit were the power box was mounted behind the dash. It had the intercom receptacles like those seen on Goldwings, etc. It had a couple on inputs that Mike used for a Walkman AM/FM cassette and he also had a Whistler radar detector plugged in so alerts would come in over his headset. It looked like a nice setup, but when I priced the components back at my Honda dealer, it looked like it would be $500 - $700 at least. On Sunday, I saw a PC that had a J&M system installed. The owner said it was already on the bike when they bought it so didn't know the details. One complaint she had was the control unit was installed through the body panel on the left side in front of where your shin would be. She indicated the intercom picks up electronic interference from the sparks plugs firing. I saw another couple that had a Chatterbox HJC-40 model intercom. This was different from the HJC-90 model that allows bike to bike communication. This unit mounts on the drivers helmet and the passenger plugs in. The unit also can receive an additional audio input. Does anyone have or know others with experience with this unit? According to my dealer, this setup would run only about $100. The NADY unit was only about $75, but the wind noise above 45mph (even with our full faced helmets with visors closed completely) makes it useless. I don't want to throw any more money away on an inexpensive unit if it won't do the job. Any comments would be appreciated. Ride Safe, Dave Lott 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Intercom / Audio Systems Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:20:50 -0700 I have the Chatterbox that allows bike to bike (can't remember the model). It has two broadcast channels and one intercom channel, and it has a rechargable battery. The older model was a single channel and carried a battery pack ... 8 AA batteries. It works pretty well bike to bike, without the passenger connection. With the passenger connected, you're powering two headsets from the same battery, so might need to crank up the volume more. The on-board battery makes the little booger pretty convenient, just put on your helmet and turn on the volume. With the older unit, you had to carry around the battery pack, plug and un-plug, and I believe that it was recalled. For some reason Chatterbox's page on the web shows the original model, too. We are born naked wet and hungry, then things get worse. >---------- >From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:dlwinger@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Monday, June 03, 1996 8:53 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Intercom / Audio Systems > >While in Helen on Saturday, I got to examine several intercom and sound > >system units as I am not satisfied at all with my NADY portable unit. >Mike Traynor had a J&M unit were the power box was mounted behind the >dash. It had the intercom receptacles like those seen on Goldwings, >etc. It had a couple on inputs that Mike used for a Walkman AM/FM >cassette and he also had a Whistler radar detector plugged in so alerts > >would come in over his headset. It looked like a nice setup, but when >I priced the components back at my Honda dealer, it looked like it >would be $500 - $700 at least. > >On Sunday, I saw a PC that had a J&M system installed. The owner said >it was already on the bike when they bought it so didn't know the >details. One complaint she had was the control unit was installed >through the body panel on the left side in front of where your shin >would be. She indicated the intercom picks up electronic interference >from the sparks plugs firing. > >I saw another couple that had a Chatterbox HJC-40 model intercom. This > >was different from the HJC-90 model that allows bike to bike >communication. This unit mounts on the drivers helmet and the >passenger plugs in. The unit also can receive an additional audio >input. Does anyone have or know others with experience with this unit? > > According to my dealer, this setup would run only about $100. > >The NADY unit was only about $75, but the wind noise above 45mph (even >with our full faced helmets with visors closed completely) makes it >useless. I don't want to throw any more money away on an inexpensive >unit if it won't do the job. > >Any comments would be appreciated. > >Ride Safe, >Dave Lott >89 Pacific Coast >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 10:03:28 -0700 From: Shawn To: PC800 List <" pc800"@hpc.uh.edu> Subject: Electrical Problem Name:Shawn R. Wilkerson Location:Austin Tx Email:nitradr@ccsi.com PC Model year (if you have one):1989 Bought Used/New:New Modifications made to bike:none My PC800 has gone through 6 batteries (both Yuasa and Exide) in the last year. The dealer has been unable to diagnose the problem. The dealer states the bike is charging at 14.8 amps which is within specs. I recently took a 3 hour trip after I placed a new battery in the bike (average speed about 85mph) - the battery died during the trip. I have no additional items on the bike - no radio, alarm, etc. Anyone have any ideas. I love this bike, but this has become extremely frustrating. If I can't fix the problem soon, I'll probably trade it in to the dealer since they don't seem to think there's anything wrong. Thanks S.R. Wilkerson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Shawn Cc: PC800 List <" pc800"@hpc.uh.edu> Subject: Re: Electrical Problem Welcome, Shawn. I think you'll get lots of responses to your post as it is a common problem with the '89s. It is stator failure. I'm not knowledgeable enough to get technical, but the archives should have plenty on it, and hopefully an electrical type will jump in here with more info. There have also been posts to the effect that Honda warrantees this problem, but won't tell you about it unless you insist. Your dealer sounds as if he is either less than knowledgeable, or simply doesn't care about customer satisfaction. On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Shawn wrote: > Name:Shawn R. Wilkerson > Location:Austin Tx > Email:nitradr@ccsi.com > PC Model year (if you have one):1989 > Bought Used/New:New > Modifications made to bike:none > > My PC800 has gone through 6 batteries (both Yuasa and Exide) in the last > year. The dealer has been unable to diagnose the problem. The > dealer states the bike is charging at 14.8 amps which is within specs. I > recently took a 3 hour trip after I placed a new battery in the bike > (average speed about 85mph) - the battery died during the trip. > I have no additional items on the bike - no radio, alarm, etc. > > Anyone have any ideas. I love this bike, but this has become extremely > frustrating. If I can't fix the problem soon, I'll probably trade it in > to the dealer since they don't seem to think there's anything wrong. > > Thanks > S.R. Wilkerson > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:23:23 -0400 To: nitradr@ccsi.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical Problem Does this sound like a stator problem to anyone? Clearly the bike is not charging the battery while your riding. I'd find a new shop because these guys don't know what they are doing. A battery/charging porblem is not that tough to figure out. Have them check the stator. The '89's had a problem in this area. Check the mailing list archives for more details. It'll be about $200 - $300 to fix. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:08:11 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Electrical Problem If this were the typical stator problem, wouldn't there be zero coming out of the alternator? Did the shop read 14+ volts when there was nothing there? How about an intermittent problem, like it fails at higher temperatures, during an extended ride, but tests ok when in the shop and cold? >From what I gathered, when a stator goes, it goes for good and without any doubt. ?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:39:19 -0500 (CDT) To: Shawn , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Electrical Problem >Anyone have any ideas. I love this bike, but this has become extremely >frustrating. If I can't fix the problem soon, I'll probably trade it in >to the dealer since they don't seem to think there's anything wrong. > >Thanks >S.R. Wilkerson > If you test the battery for discharge and it is discharged and you recharge the battery with a battery charger and it will crank and run the bike for a while then your chargeing system is not working a competent shop would be able to find the problem. That as they say is "the rest of the story". Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 13:59:51 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical Problem Shawn, I live in Austin, TX too. So I'd like to know which dealer we are talking about. I've only had my PC for one month, but sooner or later I'll need to find a good shop. Thank you so much. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:14:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Wanting to buy a PC At 07:53 PM 6/3/96 GMT, you wrote: > Hi Juan, how's it going? Could you post this message for me to the > list... Certainly! Here it is: Jo Ruby sez: > I met a person this weekend at our club's bike show and he is > interested in buying a PC. If any hears of one for sale in the > Washington-Oregon area please email me and I will pass on the info to > him. > > Appreciate any help... > > Jo Ruby > Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us > Juneau, Alaska ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 21:56:25 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Southern California Monthly Ride on 6/15 Hi everyone, This months ride will be north to Solvang, on Saturday, June 15. As usual we will meet in Fountain Valley at Carrow's on Magnolia at the 405, at 9:00am for breakfast, and 10:00am to ride. Our route is as follows: north on the 405; west on the 10 to Santa Monica; North along the coast on the 1 through Oxnard to the 101, then on to Santa Barbara; north on the 154, and west on the 246 to Solvang. Fuel stop in Ventura or Santa Barbara, lunch in Solvang (Patty suggested packing lunches for a picnic type thing, what do you think?). Distance is approximately 180 miles each way. Map JPEGs available on request. Everyone is invited to join us (even you guys back east, just ride on out and meet up with us!), or if you would like to meet us along the way let me know and I'll try to work it out. See you there! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 13:43:13 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: Dave Lott CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Intercom / Audio Systems Dave Lott wrote: > The NADY unit was only about $75, but the wind noise above 45mph (even > with our full faced helmets with visors closed completely) makes it > useless. I don't want to throw any more money away on an inexpensive > unit if it won't do the job. > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Ride Safe, > Dave Lott > 89 Pacific Coast Yeah Dave I know what you mean. My Nady unit is back for repair (again) at the factory. Not only is the unit itself worthless, but so is Nady customer service. 6 weeks I waited for repairs the first time and absolutely no change in the problem. Painful static and noise at speeds over 30mph, inside a full face helmet. People I've talked to like the Chatterboxes, I'm thinking about picking one up myself. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 16:45:51 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800: Looking to buy a pc800 Hi. I'm looking for a used pc800, the closer to the Boston area the better, but I'd consider making arrangements to see one far away. I'm going to be in LA next week, so I'd be happy to check one out there. Thanks a lot. Dave Freedman david.freedman@inc.com 617-248-8408 eve 617-444-2562 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 17:23:28 -0400 From: Steve Carr Subject: Amount of Fork Oil? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Later this week I plan on undertaking the replacement of a leaking fork seal. Looking through my '89 PC800 Service Manual, it says the fork oil capacity is 375cc (11.1 US oz). After doing a little math, I discovered 375cc doesn't equal 11.1 US oz!!! Should it read 325cc which equals 11.1 US oz or is the 375cc correct?? Maybe someone with a newer Service Manual can look this up for me. Thanks, Steve Carr '89 PC800 31,000 miles Ann Arbor, MI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Cc: "'Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us'" Subject: RE: Wanting to buy a PC Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:38:09 -0700 >< >> I met a person this weekend at our club's bike show and he is >> interested in buying a PC. If any hears of one for sale in the >> Washington-Oregon area please email me and I will pass on the info I was at the dealer this weekend and spotted a very clean '89 for sale. 16k miles with the only apparent modification being an alarm system (saw the LED on the dash). Everett Honda is the dealer. 206-347-4545. I'm available for inspection and delivery to the northwest region. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:54:10 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Intercom - The Never Ending Search To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu While browsing the Web, I found a company based in Europe that has just released their intercom system designed especially for motorcycles. The company in called AutoCom (I guess CycleCom was already taken?) and I think it is based in the US since their prices are quoted in British pounds. They have a web page at: http://www.bikenet.co.uk/html/autcom.html They make a strong case for their unit and from their spec list, they have several different models with features that are priced competitively with Chatterbox and much less than J&M. They indicate they have a local distributor in the Netherlands as Splash Designs, contact name is Patrick Kant and phone number given is 4104 78433. (Is this Rotterdam?) Rutger, Willem, Sebastiaan.. have you ever heard of this unit. On their Web site they provide quotes from a number of European motorcycling magazines that rave about the quality of the units and imply it is becoming the standard for pit to bike communications for a number of the European racers. No distributors in the US. If any knows anything about their product, I would appreciate your feedback. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Steve Carr Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Amount of Fork Oil? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Jun 1996 17:13:05 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "SC" == Steve Carr writes: SC> Should it read 325cc which equals 11.1 US oz or is the 375cc correct?? SC> Maybe someone with a newer Service Manual can look this up for me. My '94 manual says the same thing. I am inclined to trust the metric value just because, but I would defer to someone who has actually done the job. Never having done forks, I must wonder if you know when you've filled them enough. (I'm about to help a friend do the forks on his Nighthawk 650.) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Intercom - The Never Ending Search Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:40:46 -0700 Hi Dave, The AutoCom unit does look impressive. My friend who distributes the Sonic motorcycle intercom is currently inquiring about US distribution of the AutoCom system. I have know idea of the price or when/if they'll be imported but I thought I'd let you know someone's working on it. He might be able to answer your question. M-R Communications (aka Mark and Rosey Reis): 206-335-1296. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:05:14 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fork Oil Amount To: PC800 List Subject: It was dark ... and I was tired ... Hi, gang. I'm writing to beg your forgiveness. Sunday night, I was coming home along the Pacific Coast Highway from my girlfriend's place in Long Beach. I saw a 1990 red PC in the left-turn lane in front of me. Or so I thought. Imagine my horror and shame when the bike turned left, revealing itself to be a HELIX!!! It was dark. I was tired. The guy or gal belonged to the retro-mods that hang around Huntington Beach, and had added mirrors, signals etc. that made the scooter look bigger. But none of this can excuse the fact that I've committed a cardinal sin in the eyes of all PC owners. Can I please stay on the list? Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:20:20 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: saeng report At 02:06 PM 5/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >What about with the standard height screen? I am looking for a way to >decrease the wind noise? It is so loud on the highway that I can not hear my >BassMonster speakers. I usually cruise at 80-85, but now that I am in NY I >am at 65-70. The wind noise in tremendous. I took of my Rifle 4+ for the >summer but with the noise being so loud might just put it back on. I have a >Noj helmet wind sock and I will try that next. However, it is a pain to take >the helmet of and on. > >Any solutions? I am 5'11" > Chris, Don't know if anyone responded to your request, so here it goes: Get a Rifle shield, for you probably the +4 or +6. It is not only taller than stock, it is also _much_ wider, and sits at a different angle (more upright). That should allow you to listen to your music while crusing at supra-legal sppeds :-) Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: It was dark ... and I was tired ... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Jun 1996 23:04:34 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "SS" == Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> writes: SS> I'm writing to beg your forgiveness. Ahem. Well, as long as we're confessing I have to admit that the first time I saw a PC I thought my friend had bought a new scooter. (Previously he had a Helix.) The confusion didn't last more than a few minutes, but I, too, was fooled. I bought one ten days later. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 09:28:19 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Amount of Fork Oil? Dave Lott wrote: > > Steve Carr wrote: > >Looking through my '89 PC800 Service Manual, it says the > >fork oil capacity is 375cc (11.1 US oz). After doing a little math, I > >discovered 375cc doesn't equal 11.1 US oz!!! Should it read 325cc > >which equals 11.1 US oz or is the 375cc correct?? Maybe someone with > >a newer Service Manual can look this up for me. > > I think the 11.1 oz is correct and the CCs should read 335 instead of > 375. Looking at all the other fluid conversions in the manual, Honda > consistently uses 29.5 - 29.6 CCs per oz. In my manual it says for the > 95 model the left fork uses 379 CC or 12.8 US oz (29.6 CC/oz.) and the > right fork uses 369 CC or 12.5 oz. (29.5 CC/oz.) > > My companion Dr. Watson agrees with this elementary deduction. What I > don't understand is why Honda doesn't use 30 cc per ounce as my wife's > medical books show the equivalents. I would think that inserting > medicines in a living body would be more critical than fluids in a > mechanical device. > > Ride Safe and Measure Carefully, > > Dave (Sherlock) Lott > 89 Pacific Coast Hmmmm... Maybe I'll use the '95 amounts instead! Anyone know if Honda changed anything in the forks for '95? I've wondered why in the '89 manual its says to use the same amount in each fork even though one side has an anti-dive unit on it. Steve Carr '89 PC 800 Ann Arbor, MI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:27:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical Problem Hi Shawn, and welcome to the list. Your problem is indeed severe and unusual. Regradless of your dealer's opinion, there simply has to be something wrong with the charging system. According to the service manual the charging system should charge at from 0 up to 10 amps @ 5000 rpm (the charging current varies with the state of charge of the battery) not the 14.8 amps the dealer reports. The voltage should be between 13.5 and 15.5 volts at the same rpm. It would be interesting to see what the voltage is doing when they are seeing 14.8 amps. If they are really seeing 14.8 amps, the system could be overcharging and cooking the batteries, causing them to fail prematurely. A faulty regulator/rectifier would be the culprit in such a case. However, this would not be likely to explain why a new battery would discharge during a 3-hr, high-speed run. That would seem to indicate that the charging system was not charging at all. What may be happening is that the regulator is overcharging when it is relatively cold but cutting off completely when it gets hot. Another, less appealing option would be that by allowing the alternator to run at a higher than normal charging current, the regulator may have caused the alternator to overheat and fail. Of course, if that were the case, the charging system would no longer be putting out any charging current or voltage at all. Did the dealer check the system before or after this particular failure? Another place to look would be the connectors associated with the charging system since poor connections could produce poor charging system performance. You might also want to check to see if there are any shorts (ground faults) in the electrical system that could be draining the batteries at a rate the charging system can't overcome. In any case, there is something wrong; this is not typical of the PC. Our two (an '89 and a '90) are both still on their original batteries and doing fine. Good luck in tracking down the problem. Keep us posted on your progress. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:13:25 -0400 To: 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Helix or PC Steve, Mistaking a Helix for a PC is indeed a serious lapse of judgement. After considerable debate, we have decided to allow you to remain on this list. Be aware, however, that you are on 90 days probation and that a note from your opthamalogist is required. : ) Clint ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Electrical Problem Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:09:33 -0700 Have your dealer hook up a meter to your battery, duct tape it on the top cover, and ride around for a few days and watch what happens to the readings. As JT suggests it's got to be an up/down charging thing. Better yet, get another dealer to do it. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com[SMTP:JTSMCRIDER@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 7:27 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Electrical Problem > >Hi Shawn, and welcome to the list. > >Your problem is indeed severe and unusual. Regradless of your dealer's >opinion, there simply has to be something wrong with the charging >system. > According to the service manual the charging system should charge at >from 0 >up to 10 amps @ 5000 rpm (the charging current varies with the state >of >charge of the battery) not the 14.8 amps the dealer reports. The >voltage >should be between 13.5 and 15.5 volts at the same rpm. It would be >interesting to see what the voltage is doing when they are seeing 14.8 >amps. > If they are really seeing 14.8 amps, the system could be overcharging >and >cooking the batteries, causing them to fail prematurely. A faulty >regulator/rectifier would be the culprit in such a case. > >However, this would not be likely to explain why a new battery would >discharge during a 3-hr, high-speed run. That would seem to indicate >that >the charging system was not charging at all. What may be happening is >that >the regulator is overcharging when it is relatively cold but cutting >off >completely when it gets hot. Another, less appealing option would be >that by >allowing the alternator to run at a higher than normal charging >current, the >regulator may have caused the alternator to overheat and fail. Of >course, if >that were the case, the charging system would no longer be putting out >any >charging current or voltage at all. Did the dealer check the system >before >or after this particular failure? > >Another place to look would be the connectors associated with the >charging >system since poor connections could produce poor charging system >performance. > You might also want to check to see if there are any shorts (ground >faults) >in the electrical system that could be draining the batteries at a rate >the >charging system can't overcome. > >In any case, there is something wrong; this is not typical of the PC. >Our >two (an '89 and a '90) are both still on their original batteries and >doing >fine. > >Good luck in tracking down the problem. Keep us posted on your >progress. > >JT >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:17:20 -0400 To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, 73414.466@compuserve.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Helix following a PC I have never mistaken a Helix for a PC. But, a few weeks ago, I was running across Interstate 70 at my normal five grand cruise from St. Louis to Kansas. A Helix stayed in my rear view mirror for almost 1/2 the trip. He seemed to drop back going up hills, but otherwise appeared to maintain almost a 75 MPH cruise. I don't know how those small tires held the road at that 70/75 MPH, nor what reaction the Helix had to the wind disturbances caused by the massive number of trucks that travel Interstate 70, but from St. Charles to Columbia he tailed me. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:32:47 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: First days on the 96 PC... At 11:29 PM 6/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi to all of you PC owners... Hello Chris. Congratulation on your new bike. >The red color is growing on me. I saw one of the 89 pearl colored bikes, and >(sorry to all you 89 owners) had to admit that the Porsche red is a very >sharp color. Better watch out. 1989 model owners are religious zealots who consider a white PC the only _true_ PC! (I should know, I ride with one) :-) >The stock windshield is adaquate for speeds under 45 MPH. However, above 45 >MPH, I wish that I had the extended windshield (or was simply two inches >shorter). The only wind problems I've had have been getting blown around by >side winds. Refer to the archives for tried and true solutions to this universal PC problem. >Let's be honest. We drive the Accord of the motorcycle industry. Some >people don't like them, but those who own them are very satisified. Sorry, but the Accord lost out in the last election. The PC is considered the BMW 535i Touring or the Volvo 850 Turbo Wagon of the motorcycle world. :-) >Someday I'll write the comparisions I've been making between the H-D V-twins >and the PC for your enjoyment. Huh? Compare what? ;-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:44:46 -0400 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: S_mileage >Rick, don't have time to go into details right now, but I can tell you I >obtained these mileage figures during a 1,000 mile trip that Cory and I took >together, so the comparison is valid since we had the same riding style, >distances and speeds. >YMMV. > >Juan Roger that. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 19:13:01 -0300 From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: RE: Helix following a PC To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 17:17 4/6/96, BernieK469@aol.com wrote: >I don't know how those small tires >held the road at that 70/75 MPH, nor what reaction the Helix had to the >wind disturbances caused by the massive number of trucks that travel >Interstate 70, but from St. Charles to Columbia he tailed me. I drove one for five years, put 40,000kms on it, many on the highway. At open throttle it runs at about 120km/h (~70 MPH) depending on headwind, but it doesn't feel like it's screaming or thrashing, it's a quiet, peaceful highway bike. The variable-width-pulley transmission works perfectly- perfectly. You open the throttle, the engine goes to 6000rpm or so, and it just stays there until the bike's at highway speed. I really loved the bike. As we've discussed here before, it handles *most* gracefully under sidewind and buffeting conditions. It is a remarkably well engineered bike- all the elements of the bike fit together (and the turn signal button is *right* under your thumb, not a stretch like on the PC's.) I had both bikes for a year or so, was planning to drive the PC in the summer, and the Helix in the winter - its light weight and low center of gravity make it stable in slippery conditions. But after a long, mountainous highway trip with a rather large passenger, its transmission started to howl, and another Helix fanatic offered me a substantial amount of money for the bike *before* the transmission rebuild, so I took him up on it. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:34:59 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Helix - Not to Shabby To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My wife has been after me for more than a year to buy her a Helix so she can ride with me. After riding a moped in Monterey CA, she decided she didn't want to have to worry with changing gears and liked the foot brake. She is still after me. I have to admit the Helix appears to be a real tough scooter. A big guy (over 250#) rode one and finished the Iron Butt competition last year. At the Ride For Kids ride this past weekend in Atlanta, there was a burgundy Helix with a SIDECAR! We were helping with registration so I didn't have a chance to take a good look at it. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: HughMorrow@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 00:06:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fair price? A local dealer has 2 used PCs on the lot - I think they're overpriced. There's an '89 with 32,000 miles with some cracked plastic -he's listing it for $4299. There's also a '90 with 13,000 (no scars) he's listing for $4900. Anybody have a blue book handy? Appreciate any perspective on used PC prices. (P.S. Both have Rifle windscreens). TIA, -Hugh ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 05 Jun 96 02:10:35 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: Dave Lott Cc: pc800 owners Subject: Re: Intercom - The Never Ending Search Dave, I asked the guys of Splash Design to send me information about the AutoCom. In general they import better quality clothing and other accessories in the higher price ranges. The information should arrive by the end of the week. Will inform you later. Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:34:28 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin needs a PC hey gang. I'm doing my damndest to make arrangemenst to let the Corbin gang 'borrow' my bike for a week or so. I'm still 'negotiating' with them on what _I_ get out the the deal..They, of course, will be trying to 'fix' the problems with the ill-fitting seat. However, I may be running into some time/$$/logistical problems...not sure yet...any of you there near San Franciso (corbin is 1.5 hrs north of SF) interested in 'donating' their bike in case I can't make it??? I'm planning on bieng there around the 22nd, however, Steve may be taking the bike down around the 16th, and I'll ride it back (while he gets to FLY back with my girlfriend...whaaa) -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 09:40:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Horn Subject: Helix I belong to Manassas Honda Riders Club (http://beta.nova.org/~jeffh), it's a local chapter of Honda Riders Club of America. We meet the first tuesday of every month. The members of the club ride a verity of Honda motorcycles. So far I'm the only chapter member with a PC. Last night we had our meeting. Usually after the meeting there is a good amount of socializing. The topic of conversation is, naturally, about motorcycles and rides. Two of the member have helix's and they rode them to the meeting. I was standing there talking to one of the owners and looking over the bike. I asked if he would mind if I sat on the bike. He said no problem and asked me if I wanted to take it for a spin. I was surprised by his offer, but I had been curious as to how these scooters handled. I took him up on his offer. He showed me what to do in starting the bike, you have to press on the brake to start the Helix. I took off, it was a strange feeling to have nothing for your legs to hug. The Helix doesn't have the excelleration of a PC, obviously because of the 250cc engine, but it was a pleasant experience. I don't think I would buy one. It might be a good bike for my girlfriend. She would like that you don't have a clutch and don't have to switch gears manually. Jeff Horn ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:06:56 -0700 Subject: Dash Panel Wanted To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Greetings - I'm looking for a replacement dashboard "surround" for my '89 PC800. This is the black plastic piece which has the spaces for inserting speakers. I've taken the speakers off my bike, and want to cover up the holes. Please respond to SSwenson@vcd.hp.com or call Scott at 360 892 9584 (Pacific Time) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 08:24:15 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin needs a PC REPLY TO 06/05/96 04:31 FROM dkgross@halcyon.com: PC800: Corbin needs a PC Hi Dave, First, a clarification on where Corbin is located. It's in Castroville which is actually about 2-2.5 hours SOUTH of San Francisco, not north. It's in the Monterey Bay region next to Watsonville. Second, being as I'm only about an hour away from there, I'd be willing to lend them my bike if you are not able to make it. (It's a '95.) Of course if you are able to make it you'll have lots to see in that area with Monterey and Carmel being so close. Decisions, decisions.... Erin in Mountain View, CA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:32:57 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Kathleen H. Feher" Subject: Re: Helix - Not to Shabby >I have to admit the Helix appears to be a real tough scooter. A big >guy (over 250#) rode one and finished the Iron Butt competition last >year. At the Ride For Kids ride this past weekend in Atlanta, there >was a burgundy Helix with a SIDECAR! We were helping with registration >so I didn't have a chance to take a good look at it. > >Dave Lott >-- Sally Reinhardt is a member of Women on Wheels, and rides a red Helix scooter with a side car. She was on the cover of the May/June issue of Women on Wheels publication. There was an article in the issue about her and her scooter. She also heads a Honda Helix club and a Scoot-Tours with members from over 45 states. I could probably track her down through W.O.W. if anyone wanted to know more about the bike. Kathy Feher KATHF@apci.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:53:13 EDT From: "Rick" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: NO SUBJECT Hello, I have an '89 PC800 with about 10,000 miles on it. I am thinking of selling it and I was wondering about what I can expect to get for it. It has new tires, a backrest, and numerous extra plastic body panels. Thanks, Rick RICK@E-MAIL.COM (313)390-4346 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 15:59:39 EDT From: "Rick" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 - Radio & Speakers Does anyone have a radio and speakers for the PC800 or know where I can find one and about how much I can expect to pay for such items? Thanks, Rick ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:03:22 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Harley Sporster vs. PC, Windscreens... Hi all! First of all, there are a number of windscreens out there. It seems like the Rifle screens are best liked. Is this true? Anyway, I've been trying to figure out what bike on the market is the most comparable to the PC, and to see which is better (we already know the answer). To my knowledge, the Harley Sportster 883 is the closest sized V-twin motorcycle. Here's my brief list of thoughts on each, feel free to add as you wish... Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster: V-twin, 883cc, belt-driven, air cooled, lots of noise, single passenger, cruiser, list cost new $6,995, lots of vibrations, no cargo space, spoke wheels. Honda Pacific Coast: V-twin, 800cc, final shaft drive, liquid cooled, virtually silent, two passenger, sport tourer, list cost new $8,595, no vibrations, tons of cargo space, aluminum mag wheels. That's a quick comparision...I live in Wisconsin, the home of Harleys. I see these little bikes all the time, and can't help but think of how the bikes are both related so closely and yet so very different. Furthermore, both of the bikes attract a certain type of rider. Any of you PC owners own a Harley 883 Sportster? Just curious. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dash Panel Wanted Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:07:21 -0700 In the back of most cycle mags you'll see ads for motorcycle wrecking yards. I just recently ordered a new taillight assembly for Dave Gross and I (we both need different pieces) from a place in Oregon. Took a five minute phone call the first place I called. Saved some money over new dealership prices. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: > SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com[SMTP:SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouve >r-om2.om.hp.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 11:06 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Dash Panel Wanted > >Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > Greetings - I'm looking for a replacement dashboard "surround" for >my > '89 PC800. This is the black plastic piece which has the spaces >for > inserting speakers. I've taken the speakers off my bike, and want >to > cover up the holes. > Please respond to SSwenson@vcd.hp.com > or call Scott at 360 892 9584 (Pacific Time) >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:05:30 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Riding in N.J. Can anyone reccomend a group to ride with in New Jersey. Is there a PC owners club? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 18:03:43 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: A candle in the darkness Well, it appears my high beam is dead. Comments on stock replacement or brighter would be appreciated. I'll be asking for guidance on _how_ to replace the bulb later..... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 17:50:12 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Rick Subject: Re: 89 pc for sale Rick wrote: [...] and numerous extra plastic body panels. Rick I'd be interested in a left side lower panel, annd all crash bar covers -- whaddya got? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 09:33:11 -0700 From: George Barsky To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Colors How many different colors has the PC been produced in by Honda since its introduction? Does Honda usually produce it in only one color per model year? Any thoughts on the "nicest" color Honda has done the PC? I think color is quite important and the '96 red turns me off. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bryce Ulrich Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: Dash Panel Wanted From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1996 20:40:06 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: BU> I just recently ordered a new taillight assembly for Dave Gross and I BU> (we both need different pieces) from a place in Oregon. Aaaaaggghh! I need a taillight assembly, too! As some may remember, just over a year ago someone backed into me and cracked the big red taillight bar. How much did you have to pay for the assembly? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Jason L Tibbitts III'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Dash Panel Wanted Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:51:01 -0700 $130. I commented at the time that was not that far off a new part and the reply was that they were in short supply and therefore worth more. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Jason L Tibbitts III[SMTP:tibbs@hpc.uh.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 6:40 PM >To: Bryce Ulrich >Cc: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' >Subject: Re: Dash Panel Wanted > >>>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: > >BU> I just recently ordered a new taillight assembly for Dave Gross and >I >BU> (we both need different pieces) from a place in Oregon. > >Aaaaaggghh! I need a taillight assembly, too! As some may remember, >just >over a year ago someone backed into me and cracked the big red >taillight >bar. How much did you have to pay for the assembly? > > - J< > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: A candle in the darkness Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:48:55 -0700 I've been riding with an 80/100 bulb. It's brighter but I don't get flashed by cars. Improved lighting, especially on wet roads. Roger Prince runs with a 60/100 or something close to that. Stock is 55/60 I believe. There were some posts awhile back that mentioned it's possible for the bulb to heat up and melt the surrounding plastic wiring connector and the lens. I was worried too but never noticed any degradation -- even when riding on high beam in 90+ temperatures for hours and hours. I suppose it's still a risk but it hasn't affected me. The act of changing the bulb isn't hard if you know how it's all put together. First time took me an hour. Now I can do it in a minute with one hand and no tools. I'll bring a picture of the process from the service manual to the I-90 Riders Club meeting tomorrow. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: George Barsky Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Colors From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 05 Jun 1996 21:16:13 -0500 Lines: 28 >>>>> "GB" == George Barsky writes: GB> How many different colors has the PC been produced in by Honda since GB> its introduction? Hmmm. In the US: '89: Pearl white '90: Candy apple red (sort of metallic burgundy, I'd say) '94: Black '95: Black '96: Magma (i.e. -+*RED*+-) All years except '96 have silver lower sections, the '96 has the dark grey. I have heard that '89 models use a slightly different color of silver. Police bikes and European models are offered in different colors. I have heard of a blue and a green. There was also someone here in Houston with a beautiful dark metallic green one that was a custom job. GB> Any thoughts on the "nicest" color Honda has done the PC? Well, of course it's black. You can't go wrong with black. It does show scratches, though. I like the '90 color next. Sorry, all of you pearl-lovers. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 03:16:41 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "pc800" , slgross@halcyon.com Subject: RE: A candle in the darkness I run 55/100. Roger Prince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Steve Gross Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 9:03 PM To: pc800 Subject: A candle in the darkness Well, it appears my high beam is dead. Comments on stock replacement or brighter would be appreciated. I'll be asking for guidance on _how_ to replace the bulb later..... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 03:29:32 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "George Barsky" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: PC Colors The more I see of the '96, the better I like it. Don't like the price though. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Jason L Tibbitts III Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 10:16 PM To: George Barsky Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Colors >>>>> "GB" == George Barsky writes: GB> How many different colors has the PC been produced in by Honda since GB> its introduction? Hmmm. In the US: '89: Pearl white '90: Candy apple red (sort of metallic burgundy, I'd say) '94: Black '95: Black '96: Magma (i.e. -+*RED*+-) All years except '96 have silver lower sections, the '96 has the dark grey. I have heard that '89 models use a slightly different color of silver. Police bikes and European models are offered in different colors. I have heard of a blue and a green. There was also someone here in Houston with a beautiful dark metallic green one that was a custom job. GB> Any thoughts on the "nicest" color Honda has done the PC? Well, of course it's black. You can't go wrong with black. It does show scratches, though. I like the '90 color next. Sorry, all of you pearl-lovers. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 03:20:04 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Bryce Ulrich" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: RE: Dash Panel Wanted Did you try Honda of Milpitas for new price? Just curious how much more a new would cost. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bryce Ulrich Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 9:51 PM To: 'Jason L Tibbitts III' Cc: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' Subject: RE: Dash Panel Wanted $130. I commented at the time that was not that far off a new part and the reply was that they were in short supply and therefore worth more. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Jason L Tibbitts III[SMTP:tibbs@hpc.uh.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 6:40 PM >To: Bryce Ulrich >Cc: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' >Subject: Re: Dash Panel Wanted > >>>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: > >BU> I just recently ordered a new taillight assembly for Dave Gross and >I >BU> (we both need different pieces) from a place in Oregon. > >Aaaaaggghh! I need a taillight assembly, too! As some may remember, >just >over a year ago someone backed into me and cracked the big red >taillight >bar. How much did you have to pay for the assembly? > > - J< > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 03:27:15 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Bryce Ulrich" , "pc800" Subject: RE: A candle in the darkness I run a 55/100. Only problem I had was the connector had welded to the bulb's tab(s) after many hours of use. Luckily prying the connector off didn't cause any damage. I decided it might be a good idea to periodically remove the connector to prevent that from happening. When replacing be careful not to cock the bulb and have it go inside the housing. Guess. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bryce Ulrich Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 1996 9:48 PM To: 'pc800' Subject: RE: A candle in the darkness I've been riding with an 80/100 bulb. It's brighter but I don't get flashed by cars. Improved lighting, especially on wet roads. Roger Prince runs with a 60/100 or something close to that. Stock is 55/60 I believe. There were some posts awhile back that mentioned it's possible for the bulb to heat up and melt the surrounding plastic wiring connector and the lens. I was worried too but never noticed any degradation -- even when riding on high beam in 90+ temperatures for hours and hours. I suppose it's still a risk but it hasn't affected me. The act of changing the bulb isn't hard if you know how it's all put together. First time took me an hour. Now I can do it in a minute with one hand and no tools. I'll bring a picture of the process from the service manual to the I-90 Riders Club meeting tomorrow. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 21:50:51 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: yippeeeee. it's CORBIN time hi gang! Looks like I'm Coribn bound. I'll be delivering my PurlGurl to them on monday the 17th. this, of course, is after I take a leisurly weekend cruise down the coastline. fun fun fun. They will be remolding the base form of the seats and adjusting the position of the mounting pegs...also checking for width adjustments. ACTUALLY...if you'd like, drop a note to Steve C at Corbin (corbin01@corbin.com) and let him know what problems you all had when installing YOUR seats. I'll be hanging out in san fran for the remainder of the week, then pick the bike up sat am and driver home. good way to break the seat in. So...all of you in the area, email me ##'s and stuff, and maybe we can all meet Sat am for a little ride as I head out of town. and the best thing is......... my new seat is FREE. yup. FREE. sorry Erin and Brian. (I may have to pay 1/2 price for the backrest tho.) got the goahead from Mike Corbin himself. needless to say..I'm rather excited. this is me jumping with joy. ::::::::::::: >) this is me drooling on my new seat : >P~~~~~ this is me nappin' -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 07:54:42 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Dave_Gross)_dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: yippeeeee. it's CORBIN time ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/06/96 07:56 ## Congratulations, Dave. Sounds like a super deal, like being paid to go for a ride. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Dave Gross) dkgross@halcyon.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/05/96 21:50 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:24:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Colors Ooops! The lower sections on the '89 are "champaign" vice silver. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:24:00 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Harley Sporster vs. PC, Windscreens... Hi Chris: I've got a Harley, but it's not a sportster; it's an old panhead. Compared to my PC or any modern motorcycle, it's a piece of crap that won't go, turn or stop, but I still love the old stove. It's great if you have no place to go, are not in a hurry, and want to be nostalgic. I seldom find myself in this condition; so, the Harley seldom leaves the garage. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:14:32 EST From: David_Freedman@inc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Looking for used PC800 I'm looking for a used PC800. The closer the Boston area the better, but I'd consider looking further. (LA and Portland, OR, would be easy for me.) Thanks, Dave Freedman david.freedman@inc.com 617-248-8408 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Jun 96 12:37:11 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: PC Colors HORSE FEATHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody knows that the only TRUE PC color is Pearl White! It's common knowledge that the '89s came from true divine inspiration and that the inspiration for the other "sinfull colors," red (shudder), black (shake, shake), and (gulp) rrrracer rrrrrrred could have only come from very questionable sources! (Sure would love to see a YELLOW one, though!) Later, Cory "Ride Solo" "cum noster clunium frigidus et gravis" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 ''82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:22:01 -0400 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A candle in the darkness where can one purchase said "brighter bulb" and what might one expect ot pay? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:19:07 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: PC Colors At 12:37 PM 6/6/96 EDT, you wrote: >HORSE FEATHERS!!!!!!!!!!! > >Everybody knows that the only TRUE PC color is Pearl White! It's common >knowledge that the '89s came from true divine inspiration See what I mean guys? Religious zealots I say! : -) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:41:30 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: yippeeeee. it's CORBIN time ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/06/96 13:42 ## What's Dave's profession? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/06/96 13:24 ## In a message dated 96-06-06 07:58:32 EDT, Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM writes: >Congratulations, Dave. Sounds like a super deal, like being paid to >go for a ride. Yeh Dave, You're a PRO!!!!! Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:43:30 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: A candle in the darkness ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/06/96 13:45 ## Motorcycle shops, foreign auto shops. About $15. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/06/96 13:22 ## where can one purchase said "brighter bulb" and what might one expect ot pay? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: A candle in the darkness Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:30:34 -0700 I should have known y'all would be asking. I should have said it all up front. \"/ I bought the bulb for $15 from Dennins Kirk. Just recently I had to get a replacment which I ordered fom Chaparral. First bulb lasted about 15k miles and probably blew out becuase my high-beam switch was crudded up and would cause the lights to flash on/off. Didn't notice it till hundreds of miles later when my headlight wasn't working at dusk. Fortunately I carry spare bulbs when touring so all was well. WD-40 cleaned out the switch. -bryceu >---------- >From: GuntherSki@aol.com[SMTP:GuntherSki@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 1996 10:22 AM >To: Bryce Ulrich; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: A candle in the darkness > >where can one purchase said "brighter bulb" and what might one expect >ot pay? > >Z > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:38:42 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Ride_Solo)_103342.3616@CompuServe.COM Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Re: PC Colors ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/06/96 13:40 ## Try the bumblebee yellow/black of the Valkyrie or a 1976 Gold Wing. Or Lynn Weas' R1100RS. The pearl white of the '89 is a beautiful paint job when you get within a few feet of it. When you back away the whole PC disappears, becomes anonymous. When I had my 1987 CBR1000F Blk/Red I only noticed the anonymous other color of pearl blue (there's that pearl again) when it made me wait to cross the street. The pearl white is a great paint job but I want to "own" the RRRaceRRR red of '96. Not so much a great paint job but just because I like it. I think the '90red is also a beautiful and quality paint job also but I'm sick of it. I wonder if the '96 will fade like my '90. It's become pink. I like black too but I had forgotten how a piece of dust looks from 20ft. And all the swirl marks. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Ride Solo) 103342.3616@CompuServe.COM:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/06/96 12:37 ## HORSE FEATHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody knows that the only TRUE PC color is Pearl White! It's common knowledge that the '89s came from true divine inspiration and that the inspiration for the other "sinfull colors," red (shudder), black (shake, shake), and (gulp) rrrracer rrrrrrred could have only come from very questionable sources! (Sure would love to see a YELLOW one, though!) Later, Cory "Ride Solo" "cum noster clunium frigidus et gravis" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 ''82 Honda FT-500 Ascot -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:50:22 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text New baby, new house, need to sell one bike. '89 Honda Pacific Coast for sale. 23K miles. Factory backrest. Air horns. Beautiful new seat, tires, fork seals, etc., etc., etc. Factory backrest. Two windshields. Looks great. Runs great. Price: $3,295. Scott SSwenson@vcd.hp.com (360) 212-2857 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800 steering Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 00:18:18 +-200 WOW! I'm still alive & kicking, and I cannot believe it . . . . Coming back from a long and fast (100+ mph) ride on a slow turn near my = home things went badly wrong. It was as though something blocked my = handlebars: going through the middle required brute force, causing a = loud noise similar to breaking plastic. I needed legs & feet to keep = upright and to sthis day I havent a clue how I stayed on top of my = rubber. I just thank the lord that I wasn't doing 100mph at the time as = that would have caused a horrible accident. I brought her to the shop right away. The mecanics were horrified at = what had happened. It appears there are two bolts near the top of the = front forks that had vibrated loose. One of them obstructed some plastic = part that had to pass it on a turn of the handlebars. Naturally I've rather lost faith in the guys that sold my this '89 PC800 = a week ago. Remember, wirthin the first hours driving one of the = cylinders quit, requiring two days of "no-bike" due to carb-cleaning. However, I feel these bolts are extremely dangerous, and need regular = checking.=20 Anyone have a similar experience and lived through it?? Rob Ramsey Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:55:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: HELIX my ass You know it's tough enough to go through life knowing that your PC800 has some scooter in it's genes from some 1 night stand with a mc designer who was on acid when turning in the blueprints for the bike. But this repetition of Helix stories, aren't they coool crap, and I'm going to buy one for my wife talk has got me shaking. Is this what will happen to me over time, instead of the natural upgrade to the st1100 I'll start singing the praises of a really bad motor scooter? I am feeling a natural adversion to this scooter talk, knock it off, do a shot, and slap the next guy named "Scooter" Bruce JC Whitney has halegon bulbs for $6 plus couple bucks shipping, 55/100 in mine. How do I subscribe to the st1100 newsletter online, this group is starting to scare me! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:28:22 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Colors and more 'rips' from CW... Greetings, all you PC afficionados! My vote for the perfect stock color would be an emerald or forest green, as someone described a custom bike. I own the 96 porsche red, and although I originally didn't like it, it keeps growing on me. So it's my favorite. I saw the wine colored 90 today...another nice color. Say, did you all witness the most recent rip on the Pacfic Coast in Cycle World? (The July 1996 edition arrived today, and has a shootout between the BMW R1100RT, Honda ST1100, and the Triumphy Trophy 1200) It says [regarding the Honda ST1100]: "The hardest pill for me to swallow in considering an ST1100 is its unfortunate familial resemblance to the Pacfic Coast 800--I like bare handlebars much better than the gooshy plastic handlebar covers, for instance--but the bike works so well I almost don't care." (Page 49, Full Paragraph 5) You can thank author and editor-at-large Peter Egan for this comment. Perhaps we should all write a letter to the editor regarding this and last month's slams on the PC? What do you think? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: "Bryce Ulrich" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Re: Re: Dash Panel Wanted Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:27:48 +0200 I had to pay 450 ,guilders for a new one. That would be about 300 US$. Ascon de Vries ---------- > From: Jason L Tibbitts III > To: Bryce Ulrich > Cc: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: Re: Dash Panel Wanted > Date: donderdag 6 juni 1996 3:40 > > >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: > > BU> I just recently ordered a new taillight assembly for Dave Gross and I > BU> (we both need different pieces) from a place in Oregon. > > Aaaaaggghh! I need a taillight assembly, too! As some may remember, just > over a year ago someone backed into me and cracked the big red taillight > bar. How much did you have to pay for the assembly? > > - J< > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: hycom@cybercomm.nl Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 13:07:08 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: import PC800 Please inform me how I can buy a PC800. In Holland Honda does not import them. My name is Harm Brink, please respond to above mentioned address. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 08:41:16 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Loose Bolts < Subject: Re: Re: PC Colors To: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> cc: PC800 List Since I have an 89 , I've got to agree! I'd love to see the PC in teal!On 6 Jun 1996, Ride Solo wrote: > HORSE FEATHERS!!!!!!!!!!! > > Everybody knows that the only TRUE PC color is Pearl White! It's common > knowledge that the '89s came from true divine inspiration and that the > inspiration for the other "sinfull colors," red (shudder), black (shake, shake), > and (gulp) rrrracer rrrrrrred could have only come from very questionable > sources! > > (Sure would love to see a YELLOW one, though!) > > Later, > > Cory "Ride Solo" "cum noster clunium frigidus et gravis" > '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 > ''82 Honda FT-500 Ascot > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:48:25 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: PC800 tracking On a recent afternoon ride I had a long stretch of open highway with a 20-25 mph crosswind that made the pc feel very unstable. At 65-70 mph I had to devote full attention to keeping the bike upright by leaning hard into the crosswind. The bike felt like it wanted slide. At lower speeds around town I've been very impressed with the PCs stability and ride, so I found the experience surprising. Any of you with more highway miles than me have suggestions? Does a bike have "allignment" like a car? Tires are stock, inflated at 33psi, with only 2400 mi on the bike. A friend suggested that with all the plastic on a PC the crosswind can't blow through the bike so it just pushes it, sort of like a sail catching the wind. Of course, it could be caused by the color ('90 metallic red)... Thanks, Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 15:04:52 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Bob_Dorman)_b-dorman@miint.net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: PC800 tracking ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/07/96 15:07 ## That's Candy Red, according to the Honda brochure. It's Candy Glory Red in the microfiche. I've heard the wind has no effect on the Pearl Whites because they are invisible/anonymous to hot air. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Bob Dorman) b-dorman@miint.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/07/96 10:48 ## On a recent afternoon ride I had a long stretch of open highway with a 20-25 mph crosswind that made the pc feel very unstable. At 65-70 mph I had to devote full attention to keeping the bike upright by leaning hard into the crosswind. The bike felt like it wanted slide. At lower speeds around town I've been very impressed with the PCs stability and ride, so I found the experience surprising. Any of you with more highway miles than me have suggestions? Does a bike have "allignment" like a car? Tires are stock, inflated at 33psi, with only 2400 mi on the bike. A friend suggested that with all the plastic on a PC the crosswind can't blow through the bike so it just pushes it, sort of like a sail catching the wind. Of course, it could be caused by the color ('90 metallic red)... Thanks, Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Bob Dorman cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 tracking Bob, I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. It's more of a problem caused by the fact that since the pc is completely enclosed a cross wind treats it like a sail. I've had that problem on numerous ocaissions, especially at high speeds. You also notice it at high speed when a large truck passes you on the highway. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Bob Dorman wrote: > On a recent afternoon ride I had a long stretch of open highway with a > 20-25 mph crosswind that made the pc feel very unstable. At 65-70 mph I had > to devote full attention to keeping the bike upright by leaning hard into > the crosswind. The bike felt like it wanted slide. At lower speeds around > town I've been very impressed with the PCs stability and ride, so I found > the experience surprising. > > Any of you with more highway miles than me have suggestions? Does a bike > have "allignment" like a car? Tires are stock, inflated at 33psi, with only > 2400 mi on the bike. A friend suggested that with all the plastic on a PC > the crosswind can't blow through the bike so it just pushes it, sort of > like a sail catching the wind. Of course, it could be caused by the color > ('90 metallic red)... > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Subject: [tx.motorcycles] Re: Keith's trip to the Northlands (LONG) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 07 Jun 1996 14:54:03 -0500 Lines: 47 Kent's still alive, but he doesn't read the PC800 list any longer (sob). Too bad, too; the traffic has been of really high quality lately. I suppose it would go back down if Kent were to come back, though. As for performance stuff, several list members have done in for some rejetting that has supposedly improved things. I don't think we've seen full results yet, though. - J< ------- Start of forwarded message ------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Newsgroups: tx.motorcycles Subject: Re: Keith's trip to the Northlands (LONG) Date: 7 Jun 1996 17:41:25 GMT In article Jason L Tibbitts III writes: > > The PC is faster than something off the line? Hmmm. Maybe I need a tune > up. Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if my PC isn't normal. :^) Maybe I need to ride another one and see what the difference is. Get this thing settled once and for all. BTW, you might want to report this to the PC maillist: I've put just over 10k miles on the Battlaxe/ML2 combo. Results are that I think I have about another 1k or so miles left on the Battlaxe before I hit the first wearmark. The ML2 is one of the new hard-compound ML2's unfortunately and probably has at least another 4k miles left on it. And that's with it sliding around pretty much every corner and breaking loose from most dead stops. Yes, the new ML2's are hard and slick and I can break it loose almost as easy as a Dunlop 491, but... The ML2 still behaves itself a lot better than the 491 did under all conditions. As to the Battlaxe, Not much to say - It's a far better tire than the ME33, stickier, doesn't let the ML2 push it in a corner, and last almost twice as long as the 33R's did. I'm sticking with it. I dearly would like to find a better tire than the ML2 though, expecially since they went to the harder compound. -- Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me) Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently" ------- End of forwarded message ------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:35:31 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Can't get no satisfaction! As some of you know Honda is buying my 1995 PC a new set of rubber donuts. Well I desided on the Metzler ML2+ rear and the Marathon front. However, we can't seem to get the 120/80-17 that I need. The suppliers to the local Honda shop keep saying the end of the month. Well I leave for the Hoot on the 16th of June and really want my new rubber by then. Does anyone know a tire that would complement the ML2+ ? We already have the rear but are still waiting for..... another month to end? Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 Jun 96 22:01:23 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Donuts Today, Dentman sez: As some of you know Honda is buying my 1995 PC a new set of rubber donuts. Well I desided on the Metzler ML2+ rear and the Marathon front. However, we can't seem to get the 120/80-17 that I need. The suppliers to the local Honda shop keep saying the end of the month. Well I leave for the Hoot on the 16th of June and really want my new rubber by then. Does anyone know a tire that would complement the ML2+ ? We already have the rear but are still waiting for..... another month to end? Hmmmmm . . . . . I have been trying to get a front since April 19. They do not exist in the country. Per Metzler in Phila! They said at least (emphasize at least) four weeks til they get em to them. Then on to one of two distribution centers then to the source you git em from. Humbug! I like em but, I ain't interested in ice racing! I am going back to the oem Dunlop. They were an okay pair though they only did me 9,000 miles rear and probably good for about 12,000 on the front. The good side is that they cost substantially less. $73.88 vs. $103.00 at Competition. I think Metzler should be ashamed of their performance in stocking these tires. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jun 96 02:04:15 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: Dentman711@aol.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Can't get no satisfaction! I didn't know the Marathon (ME88?) came in 120/80-17. I guess you mean ML2 Marathon. I use ME33 CompK 120/70VB17MBS. The only other 120/80H17 is the K177. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Dentman711@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 07, 1996 9:35 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Can't get no satisfaction! As some of you know Honda is buying my 1995 PC a new set of rubber donuts. Well I desided on the Metzler ML2+ rear and the Marathon front. However, we can't seem to get the 120/80-17 that I need. The suppliers to the local Honda shop keep saying the end of the month. Well I leave for the Hoot on the 16th of June and really want my new rubber by then. Does anyone know a tire that would complement the ML2+ ? We already have the rear but are still waiting for..... another month to end? Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:44:26 -0400 To: b-dorman@miint.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 tracking I agree with your observations about the lack of stability in strong cross winds at speed. I wonder if other bikes behave the same way? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GaryWOTR@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 00:52:04 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Rick's Tire Dilemma?--A Possible Solution! RIck: I just got two new tires from the Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse in Boulder, Colorado. (1-800-241-2222) I live in Galveston, Texas and the tires came in about 5-7 days via UPS. They carry the full line of Metzeler tires. I bought a ML-2+ for the rear and a Bridgestone Battlax for the front. They do have the ML-2 Marathon for the front(120/80H17) for $97.95. Give them a call and see if they can help you within your time frame. --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 00:54:39 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 tracking On my recent trip from Oregon to Texas I fought several bouts with the cross winds. The PC stayed on track but would lean into wind. As long as the winds were steady I didn't mind. The gusty cross winds really wore me out. Especially coming over a hill, crossing a bridge, or passing a big truck. The winds would gust from the left, then right, then left,... I'd get bounced around like a contender on American Gladiators. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:46:36 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: tracking Howdy. I've written about this several times (largely because I noticed it first riding my H*l*x and now on the PC.) Basically, I think that a) the crosswind can't blow through the body of the bike, so it may affect the PC a bit more, but largely, b) because you're behind a faring, instead of noticing that the bike's being pushed sideways, you feel the crosswind, and c) because of that, your brain automatically compensates by leaning the bike into the wind. Anyway, the net result on the PC is that in crosswinds or cross-gusts, it *feels* like the bike's being blown out from under you, but you keep going straight down the road. I got to know and love this "auto correction" behaviour on the H*l*x. My theory is, if you can lean the bike over far enough to grind the footpegs on a turn, you shouldn't have any problem leaning to compensate for crosswind. I admit, I have worried a couple of times in high winds *and* slippery road conditions. In contrast, my experience with non-fared bikes in crosswinds is that you notice that the bike is getting pushed from left to right, but there's no sensation of why that's happening. My advice is: Relax and enjoy it. Slow down in crosswinds if it makes you feel better. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 07:59:33 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: tracking Whups, meant to reference the previous thread- it was under the topic Vague Steering The URLs are below. At the time, we called it "Auto Wind Compensation Feature." http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9510/msg00298.html http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9510/msg00306.html http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9510/msg00313.html http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/9510/msg00360.html -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 06:08:44 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 tracking in the northwest, crosswinds are a way of life...I've found that the PC is incredibly stable in them...just don't battle them...lean into it slightly keeping your BODY upright, and just let the bike lean. when the wind subsides, it's less strain on the bike. wheee -- Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:14:56 +0000 Subject: Tank Bag...... All, Welkll I went out and found the perfect tank for the PC, An AEROPAC II tankbag in black. And to take the recomendation one step further about the suction cups, the suction cups I ended up with have a "button" head, so I am having a seamstress make button holes for the bottom of the tank bag mat, that way it is a just a Button/unbutton process. Does anyone know if the Spoiler ever came in the '96 red????? please let me know. ________________________________________________________ Robert P. Mathews CNA/CNE Novell Certified Netware Engineer 1996 Honda Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" ________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 15:38:29 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: HELLLLPPP!!!! and trip/product report Content-Id: <17_76_1_834262709> Hi guys, First a cry for help. A report of my trip to Michigan and the new toys I bought for it will follow separately. Filling up the tank the night before my trip, I was rather horrified to note that my mileage had dropped from its usual 48-50 to around 40. I hadn't done much riding this season before the trip, and hadn't been paying particular attention to mileage, but this drop really surprised me. And this is after a full 24K service by yours truly (everything except the carb synching and a new air filter). Since I couldn't cancel the trip or do anything about the problem before leaving, I resigned myself to low mileage for the next 1,500 miles and fixing it when I got home. Since performance seemed unaffected, and there didn't appear to be any particular risk of breakdown, I took off. On the way out, my mileage hung at around 43 (crusing at about 65-70 mph), but on the return it varied from 35.4 to 49.4 on various legs! Worse at the beginning, better at then end. This was in light to moderate rain for most of the way (read report to follow). As I say, I noticed no degradation in performance. I intend to clean out the air filter (it's not that old and new ones *are* rather expensive), and we'll see what happens, but does anyone have any ideas about what could cause such a drop in mileage over the winter? For instance, is carb synch really critical? I have a synch gauge, but have never used it on the PC. The manual is less than perfectly clear about how it's done. Can anyone provide more detailed instructions? Or is this not likely to be the problem? Otherwise I can't think of anything that's happened or that I've done that could cause this drop. I'm really puzzled and concerned, and would appreciate the benefit of this group's experience and expertise. Thanks. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 16:44:35 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: suction cups and cross winds I tried an experiment a while back with suction cups. I have a map holder: a plastic sleeve with metal grommets at the four corners. I got four little suction cups (rated at .5 pounds each) with metal hooks attached. Metal hooks into metal grommets, a thin film of vaseline (petroleum jelly) to ensure the suction cups "sucked". This worked great for 2.5 days and almost 1200 miles. And then a strong gusty cross wind got underneath the map holder and POW!, it popped right off, slapped me in the chest, and blew away. I pulled over, walked back, and eventually found it. Next trip I'm using larger suction cups and will also secure it with a safety wire or something. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: DS: PC800 tracking Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 02:39:31 +-200 Mine feels a bit twitchy at high speeds (like 90+ mph) but not = disturbingly so. I figure it must be the fact that it's all covered = although on non-windy days it also twitches . . . Guess it's not a high = speed bike huh? On the other hand, it's like the bike drives INTO the sidewinds. Gust = from the right makes the bike lean to the right. Almost like an = automatic pilot. So, I just ignore it and "go with the pacific flow". I = wonder if HONDA built that into the bik on purpose. I mean, it's a lot = better the having the tendency te be blown away from the wind because = then you'll have to do all the hard work yourself. R ---------- Van: Bob Dorman Verzonden: vrijdag 7 juni 1996 20:40 Aan: INTERNET:PC800@HPC.UH.EDU Onderwerp: PC800: PC800 tracking arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02324; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:37:28 -0500 = (CDT) 13:37:25 -0500 NAA02276; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:36:47 -0500 (CDT) NAA02269 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:36:44 -0500 (CDT) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24122 for = ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:45:30 -0500 (CDT) spear.miint.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA21385 for = ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:48:26 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:48:25 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: PC800 tracking On a recent afternoon ride I had a long stretch of open highway with a 20-25 mph crosswind that made the pc feel very unstable. At 65-70 mph I = had to devote full attention to keeping the bike upright by leaning hard = into the crosswind. The bike felt like it wanted slide. At lower speeds = around town I've been very impressed with the PCs stability and ride, so I = found the experience surprising. Any of you with more highway miles than me have suggestions? Does a bike have "allignment" like a car? Tires are stock, inflated at 33psi, with = only 2400 mi on the bike. A friend suggested that with all the plastic on a = PC the crosswind can't blow through the bike so it just pushes it, sort of like a sail catching the wind. Of course, it could be caused by the = color ('90 metallic red)... Thanks, Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:06:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tracking Hi Bob: Regarding the PC's reaction to cross winds, In a message dated 96-06-08 06:48:14 EDT, Daniel wrote: >Anyway, the net result on the PC is that in crosswinds or cross-gusts, it >*feels* like the bike's being blown out from under you, but you keep going >straight down the road. > >I got to know and love this "auto correction" behaviour on the H*l*x. My >theory is, if you can lean the bike over far enough to grind the footpegs >on a turn, you shouldn't have any problem leaning to compensate for >crosswind. . . . The PC does react quickly and strongly to cross winds. Fortunately, its reaction is different from many other motorcycles in that it automatically leans into a cross wind rather than away from it. This makes it much easier to control if you don't fight against it or, conversely, attempt to help it too much which results in an overly agressive reaction to the wind. All bikes react to cross winds, and all must be leaned into the wind to keep it tracking straight. In short, I agree with Daniel's advice about relaxing and letting the bike do most of the work in a cross wind. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 16:06:53 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Michigan trip report Content-Id: <17_76_1_834264413> As promised, here's the story of my trip to Michigan on Memorial Day weekend for the inaugural US 500 IndyCar race. As I mentioned in a previous post, I bought myself a few new toys... er... I mean, tools, for the trip: a Panasonic portable CD player, Honda's trunk liner bag, a Fieldsheer Sabre Jacket, and a pair of Motoport Ultra II pants. The CD player, carried in a case slung over my shoulder, worked great. I'll be working on a way of mounting the player on the bike and mounting the remote on the handlebars, but this worked fine. However, I'm thinking more seriously about a taller screen to give me a little more quiet. The trunk liner bags are also great. Once you get the knack of how full to pack them, they really make life on the PC easier. Well worth the $50. The trip out was relatively uneventful. As I mentioned before, because I had to make the whole 600 miles in one day, I stuck to the interstates, so there's no especially interesting scenery to report (except for portions of the Pennsylvania Turnpike in Western PA that are pretty nice, for an interstate). There was a traffic jam on the Ohio tpk that added a full hour to my journey, but the weather was nice, and overall, everything went well. The Fieldsheer jacket and Motoport pants were pretty comfy. I agree with Alan(cf051)'s report that the Ultra II pants are well made, but he's also right that they are bulky. The knee pads press up hard against your knees at first, but as someone said the factory rep had advised, they do customize themselves with a little use. By the end of this 12-hour ride they had pretty well shaped themselves to my knees, and on the way home they felt just fine. The Fieldsheer jacket is also well-made, with lots of pockets, a zip-out lining (which I left at home in favor of a more versatile sweatshirt) and other nice features. Among the less-useful features (IMHO) are vents under the arms and on the back, supposedly to improve cooling and airflow, but they didn't do much for me. When it's warm out and you're not moving (like when you're off the bike) this jacket is HOT. And I'm not just referring to its good looks and red/black color combo. A problem with this jacket/pants combo, though, is that with their plastic body armor, they take up a lot of room. With some cearful folding, I was only just barely able to squeeze them into one of the PC's trunks, with nothing else in it. (I did this only to see if I could. With all my other stuff, I was committed to wearing the suit while hauling my luggage.) I'm afraid that I didn't come off the bike during this trip, so I can't report to the list on how well the body armor protects. Sorry 'bout that, guys. Maybe next time. Once in Michigan, I stayed in East Lansing, about 50 miles away from the track (Brooklyn is a very small town, with few hotel rooms), so had an extra 100 miles per day round trip. But the race was great, and I had a good time. The trip back was not so great. Memorial Day Monday started out gray and overcast in Michigan, and as I headed for Ohio, a light rain started. Except for a brief dry spot in the middle of Ohio, the rain just kept getting harder as I went east. In the 10-1/2-hour-trip, I estimate it rained for at least 8 hours. Although it wasn't the heaviest rain I've ever ridden in, it was probably the longest. No fun. Despite this, I made good time, averaging 55mph, including all stops, compared to 50 mph on the way out. Of course, I did get laser-clocked by an Ohio State Trooper at 80. Oh, well. At least he didn't catch me doing 85 or 90. At the end of the trip, though, I was wet and exhausted. I can report that neither the Fieldsheer jacket nor the Motoport pants are fully waterproof. Each let in water at the zippers after 8 hours of rain. Thanks to two sweatshirts (it was *cold* on Memorial Day!) I didn't feel the wet too much up top, and only started to notice the dampness in my pants toward the end. If I had worn a rainsuit under the jacket and pants, I would have been fine, but I left it at home because I didn't have room and figured the new items would serve. And they would have, too, with less than 8 hours of rain. So that's the story. My next trip is to Cleveland in three weeks, and with half the distance to cover, I may take the scenic route this time. Also, I may have another product report to make. I had hoped to buy an Aerostich suit for the Michigan trip, but they were back ordered. I placed my order, with the proviso that I needed it before the end of June when I was leaving for my next long haul. (Unfortunately, that trip, to Phoenix, Tucson, and Santa Fe, after Cleveland, has been cancelled.) Then I went around to a few dealers in the area, to see what I could buy off the shelf, and got the Fiedlsheer/Motoport combo for a little more than half the cost of the Aerostich one-piece. I figured I would just cancel the Aerostich, but before I got around to it, they called to say that the suit was ready for me, a couple of weeks before it had been expected. Since they have a liberal return policy, I decided to take delivery, and see for myself what it's like. Unless I really love it, I don't think I'll take the risk of wearing it to Cleveland, since it might get too dirty to return. And I don't think I can afford to keep all this new gear. But we'll see. Till then, thanks for getting to the end of a really long post. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Final drive oil change Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 01:30:54 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III OK, I want to change the final drive oil as part of a tune up I'm going to do. Unfortunately, the service manual doesn't mention anything about it. So: I can find the drain. Where's the fill? Is it the breather cap at the top, or is it the large off center bolt (not the axle bolt) about halfway up? I got 80W90 gear oil (Castrol, dino I guess). I thought all gear oil was the same Hypoid or somethingorother. The bottle I have is labeled "Hypoy C Gear Oil". OK, so what's the difference between Hypoid and Hypoy C? Should I care? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:02:00 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Final drive oil change It is a very easy job, just takes a few minutes. Instructions are on page 76/77 of the manual. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:13:49 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 90 pc800 Hi all. I've been following the pc800 forum for almost 2 months now looking for the right 1990 pc800 for me. some info about myself: Archie Wong Southern California Own 1992 Yamaha Seca II with only 3400 miles Previously owned 1989 Kawasaki Ninja 250 I would appreciate any information on used PC's that anyone could provide. I am primarily interest in a 1990 PC, but would like info on 94's and 95's as well. The 89's concern me after hearing all the discussion of stator problems on this forum. Also if anyone would be interested in purchasing my Yamaha, let me know. Thanks in advance. Pc owner wannabe. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:22:48 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rifle Shields, RKA Radio/Intercom Greetings... I've decided that I'm going to get one of those Rifle shields. Any suggestions as to whether I should buy the 27" or 29" shield? I'm 5'10", but I figure that the tallest shield would also offer the most protection to a passenger. Also, read an advertisement in Motorcyclist, where RKA sells a tank bag which contains radio, CB, intercom, and more. For those of you interested in installing radios, maybe this would be a good option for you. They're in California and list their number for questions as: 707-579-5045. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:16:12 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800 tracking At 10:48 AM 6/7/96 -0600, you wrote: >Any of you with more highway miles than me have suggestions? Does a bike >have "allignment" like a car? Tires are stock, inflated at 33psi, with only >2400 mi on the bike. A friend suggested that with all the plastic on a PC >the crosswind can't blow through the bike so it just pushes it, sort of >like a sail catching the wind. Of course, it could be caused by the color >('90 metallic red)... Bob, the only alignment problems would come from: A) a bent frame or fork, b) the forks are not bent but the tubes have rotated inside the triple clamps or c) the axle is bent. All of these would require a noticeable impact of the motorcycle against something big and heavy ;-). Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:11:21 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Sporster vs. PC vs. ? At 05:03 PM 6/5/96 -0400, you wrote: Chris, got another one for ya: >Harley-Davidson 883 Sportster: V-twin, 883cc, belt-driven, air cooled, lots >of noise, single passenger, cruiser, list cost new $6,995, lots of >vibrations, no cargo space, spoke wheels. > >Honda Pacific Coast: V-twin, 800cc, final shaft drive, liquid cooled, >virtually silent, two passenger, sport tourer, list cost new $8,595, no >vibrations, tons of cargo space, aluminum mag wheels. > Suzuki VX800: V-Twin, 800cc, final shaft drive, liquid cooled, virtually silent, two passenger, sport/standard (touring, with the optional hard saddlebags), list cost new about $5,000 (unfortunately, they don't make it anymore) no vibration, no cargo space (see above), beautiful mag wheels. I _almost_ ended up with one of these in my garage, but fortunately the Honda dealer saw the light and gave me a good deal on my 1990 PC. Cheers! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:27:02 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: HELLLLPPP!!!!t >I intend to clean out the air filter (it's not that old and new ones *are* >rather expensive), and we'll see what happens, but does anyone have any >ideas about what could cause such a drop in mileage over the winter? For >instance, is carb synch really critical? I have a synch gauge, but have >never used it on the PC. The manual is less than perfectly clear about how >it's done. Can anyone provide more detailed instructions? Or is this not >likely to be the problem? The carb sync seems to be very critical on the PC, but when I checked on mine (with 12K) it was _almost_ spot on. I went ahead and adjusted it anyway. It is a ten minute job, not counting the removal of necessary tupperware. I also cleaned my air filter twice before replacing it. I thought I was doing a pretty good job until I compared it with a new one, it didn't look very good. I while back I complained that the air filter was hard to clean because it had an oily residue on it, and assumed it was blowback from the carbs. Guess again! The new one arrived in a sealed, clear plastic bag that had the filter almost swimming in a clear oily fluid! Anyone have more details on this? As for your mileage problems, it could also be that you either got a bad batch of gas, you used premium (it has been documented that the PC gets worse mileage on gas with octane higher than regular) or your carb jets needed cleaning, which the detergents in the gasoline did over the length of your trip. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:28:44 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: suction cups and cross winds At 04:44 PM 6/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >This worked great for 2.5 days and almost 1200 miles. And then a strong >gusty cross wind got underneath the map holder and POW!, it popped right >off, slapped me in the chest, and blew away. I pulled over, walked back, >and eventually found it. Dis the suction cups let go, or did the bag become detached from the cups? Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:51:59 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Final drive oil change At 01:30 AM 6/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >I can find the drain. Where's the fill? Is it the breather cap at the >top, or is it the large off center bolt (not the axle bolt) about halfway >up? Jason, the drain is the lowest bolt, the filler is the largest "cap". Cant miss it, it is bigger than a silver dollar. Careful when you put it back on. Too much torque will squash the o-ring and it will leak. You fill it up to the point where the oil is about to ooze out on the threads of the filler cap. Yep, that's all it needs! Any more and you'll be inducing extra hydrodynamic drag that the PC doesn't need. >I got 80W90 gear oil (Castrol, dino I guess). I thought all gear oil was >the same Hypoid or somethingorother. The bottle I have is labeled "Hypoy C >Gear Oil". OK, so what's the difference between Hypoid and Hypoy C? >Should I care? Can't help you there. I use Amsoil 70W90 synthetic, but poured all the oil into one container equiped with a pump made for the purpose, so I can't give you details on the rating. My guess is that as long as it is labeled "gear oil" and you are using the correct weight, you should be ok. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Subject: Crosswinds A friend, Bill, who also has a PC, and I often ride through passes on the way to the desert here in So. Cal. and encounter some pretty strong winds on I-8. The gusts did scare me a little at first, but when Bill was in front, I noticed that he wasn't getting blown around as much as I was. It didn't take me long to reaize that *of course* he was getting "gusted" just as much as I was. The thing was, it just *felt* as if I was getting blown sideways and over much more that I really was. When I saw how little Bill was actually moving sideways and realized that was also how little I was also moving, I just relaxed, leaned into the wind and forgot about it. It simply feels much worse than it is. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Carb Sync (Was: HELLLLPPP!!!!t) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 09 Jun 1996 23:37:03 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "JG" == "Juan A Goula" writes: JG> The carb sync seems to be very critical on the PC, but when I checked JG> on mine (with 12K) it was _almost_ spot on. I went ahead and adjusted JG> it anyway. Any recommendation of a sync tool? I need one and I'll probably get a mercury-filled type but I must admit that I don't know much about what I'm doing. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 00:35:16 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: suction cups and cross winds Juan A. Goula wrote: > Did the suction cups let go, or ... The suction cups let go. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:57:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gas, & Milage I second what Juan said! With premium I was getting 37-38 mpg. My mpg immediately went to 43 when I switched to regular. I feel that with only 3300 miles on the bike I have not totally broken the bike in and that why my mpg is not as high as I think it should be. Chris 95 PC800 3300miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 10:57:34 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: AMERICADE!!!!!!!!!!!! I just got back from Americade! Now, I have never really been to a bike rally of any real size, so maybe my opinions are a little sided but, WOW. I rode up on Tues afternoon and stopped in Albany (40 minutes away) at the house I was staying at. The next morning I rode up to Lake George. There were, of course, thousands on bikes, and the ride up was nice because I got to ride with a dozen or so bikes. On this day I took my time and just tried to get the lay of the place. I spent most of my time going throught the area where the vendors were. While there were MANY vendors there were not as many as I would have thought. But, next year I will time an oil change, tire change, and progressive front spring change for when I am there. The prices were very good. There were people from all over but mostly from Ohio east. I would say 30% of the bikes were Harleys, 50% Wings, and 20% misc. I only saw 4 other PCs besides mine. Now, for the very cool part. On Thurs. I did the demos. Everyone was there except Suzuki. Most of the routes were 15 to 18 miles long, except BMW's that was 42 miles long! And here was my impressions: BMW K1100LT: Solid bike with ok power. Suspension can not be beat. Felt as if I was glued to the road. The electric screen is not a gimick and really is handy. BUT, the fact remains that vibrations do creap into the bars, and pegs. BMW R1100RS: Best suspension. Ok power. Way too much vibration. Kawa KLR650: Fun bike, Vibrations numb the hands quickly. Can pull a wheelie in 1st or 2nd (did this at the end of the demo so they did not eject me). Triumph Trophy 1200: WOW, WOW!! I was very suprised by this bike. The bike was smooth, the seating position was not too extreme, and it was soo damn fast!!. It was like a rocket. 100mph came very easily. Front end does dive a bit too much durring both hard and soft braking. Handa VFR750: GREAT BIKE! This could very easily be my next bike. It had a suspension that was almost equal to the R1100RS. It has a single rear swing arm. After riding these bike I now know how important the unsprung wieght is to a great suspension. The V4 was smooth and very powerfull. No wibrations, very rideable. On the highway you can "fly" your chest to relieve the arm presure. Yamaha Royal Star: Ok, yes I was seen on this bike. While it made great sounds it was a complete disapointment. The bike is heavy, slow, and can drag a floor board at will. Plus the vibrations were way too much. The fact is I feel I am very lucky. Taking these demos was taking a big risk. I have owned 3 bikes in the last 10 months. I was concerned that I would ride a bike that would convince me that the PC was not the right choice. But the fact is it re-afirmed that I made the right choice. Sure, I see a used Voyager, a VFR, and maybe an old CBX around the corner. But only as additional bikes. I must say that we really do own an excellent bike. I rode around 900 miles with out a single problem or pain. And all my stuff fit into the trunk with no external bags. Chris 95 PC800 3300miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:06:21 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind It seems to me that the PC handles crosswinds about like other faired bikes. My frame of reference is a CB750 w/ Windjammer and a Beemer with a large Glaser sport-touring fairing. I agree that it feels worse than it is; it really has to be rippin' to cause real problems. If you tense up, things will be worse, especially with an unfaired bike-- your body gets blown, and that transfers to the bike as a steering input. I've never known a bike to get blown so it leans away from the wind; all I've ridden would lean into it automagically. Can't figure out why, though. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:32:54 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Help finding ML2+ 120/80H-17 Well I just got off the phone with Metzler and they said the only way I would get a ML2+ was from a dealers stock. They will not have a new shipment until September! If it is not to much trouble the next time your in your local bike emporium ask about a ML2+ Marathon 120/80H-17 for a Honda Pacific Coast. My local dealer should be able to arrange some type of deal to get it from your dealer. Thanks a Million Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:30:18 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Carb Sync (Was: HELLLLPPP!!!!t) At 11:37 PM 6/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> "JG" == "Juan A Goula" writes: > >JG> The carb sync seems to be very critical on the PC, but when I checked >JG> on mine (with 12K) it was _almost_ spot on. I went ahead and adjusted >JG> it anyway. > >Any recommendation of a sync tool? I need one and I'll probably get a >mercury-filled type but I must admit that I don't know much about what I'm >doing. I suspect that the mercury one will be the better choice. The one that my Yamaha dealer lent me (hey, it was either that and a 12 pack of beer or $120 to the Honda dealer for two hours of labor!) was the ball bearing kind and it is hard to work with. With the cylinder pulses being big and slow those bearings were jumping up and down enough to make you cross-eyed. To adjust it was more of an averaging the bounces of both bearings! :-( It worked well enough though. I've ordered a mercury filled one but they tell me they can't ship air because of haz-mat regulations. I gave up after a month and asked them to send it to Davis, WV where I'll be for STAR '96. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:04:08 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Have friend looking to buy a 90, 94 or 95 PC (low mileage) in Georgia or perhaps a surrounding state. If you know of one please let me know. Thanks Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: RE: Rifle Shields, RKA Radio/Intercom Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:19:23 +-200 Chris, you wrote: >I've decided that I'm going to get one of those Rifle shields. Any = suggestions as to whether I should buy the 27" or 29" shield? I'm = 5'10", but I figure that the tallest shield would also offer the most = protection to a passenger. I too am interested in buying a rifle shield. I'm roughly 5'11". Don't = know if taller is better for the passenger. On my current (standard) = shield the trouble seems to come from behind . . . riding *with* a = passenger is far more comfortable on my head thar riding *without*. I = figure that the taller the shield is, the bigger the trouble from = behind! Anyone more on that notion? Also you wrote: >Also, read an advertisement in Motorcyclist, where RKA sells a tank bag = which contains radio, CB, intercom, and more. For those of you = interested in installing radios, maybe this would be a good option for = you. They're in California and list their number for questions as: = 707-579-5045. I live in the Netherlands, Europe. Are RKA represented here? Looks = interesting to me. Greetings. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:11:03 -0400 To: RRamsey@deroo.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle Shields, RKA Radio/Intercom I'm 6'2" and I got the Rifle +4 I wouldn't go any lower. The +4 top edge is just below eye level. You (as a < 6' ) could probably use the +2 without any problem. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:10:23 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Rifle Shields, RKA Radio/Intercom I have the 4+ Rifle screen and it is excellent. I am 5'11" and it makes the ride very quiet (for a motorcycle). And it keeps it much quieter for the passenger. I can either look throught the screen or sit straight and look over it. Nice when it rains! I have seen the brochure from RKA. 1st rate stuff. I would pick them over J&M. Give them a call. The guy I spoke to was very friendly and willing to talk. From what I have heard from others is the products are really excellent. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 18:04:53 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle Shields I'm 6'1" and bought the +6 (tinted, :-)) a couple of years ago... and I wouldn't ever think of going lower. I have a "dead air" envelope that extends about 4 inches to the right and left and about 1-2 inches above my helmet. All I can say is that it's QUIET! I sometimes whistle to myself going down the road for lack of a stereo system. Steve Carr '89 PC Ann Arbor, MI P.S. - I just added new fork seals (Pro-Moly) and Progressive Suspension front springs. Works great, wish I would have done it sooner. I also fitted a ST1100 front fender to the bike, I like seeing calipers and rotors! Know anyone that makes fork braces??? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jun 96 18:07:07 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: Final drive oil change Jason, The big round one is the guy you want. You'll be surprised at how little gear lube the thing will need. Take out the drain plug and the filler bolt. let the stuff drain for a long time, as it's really THICK. Put the drain plug back in and put the gear lube in through the big hole. When it starts to overflow the fill hole, it's full. That's all there is to it. The gear lube should be OK. I was going to put synthetic in mine the last time, but my store of choice was out, so I went w/ the dino. Good luck, Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jun 10 17:17:57 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jun 96 18:07:10 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:AWong18031@aol.com" Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: 90 pc800 Archie, Honestly, I wouldn't let talk about '89 stator problems(?) prohibit you from buying one. First off, if there is such a problem, one replacement and it's taken care of. Secondly, I'm not sure there is a specific problem just w/ the '89s. Finally, if you find an '89 for sale it may already have been repaired (if there really is such a problem). I'd recommend basing your search on one thing; getting the most bang for your buck. Or on which color you like best. ;-) I'd look for the best price on the used PC with the lowest miles and go for it! Good hunting! Welcome to the list! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 (AND PERHAPS (!) an '89 Honda GB-500) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jun 96 18:41:00 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Donut woes . . . Rick Fisher has discovered what I did about Metzlers. He found . . . . Well I just got off the phone with Metzler and they said the only way I would get a ML2+ was from a dealers stock. They will not have a new shipment until September! Yup. That's what I found out. And, I even tried the suggestion from someone to try Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. They quoted they would get one on June 17 . . . . I knew better. There are only two distributors that Metzler releases tires to. They told me on the phone that they aren't even on the board and it would be *at least* four weeks before they even got close to the shore. Then they have to get to the distributors then to the reseller. Hrmph! I like Metzler Tires but, not that much. the ol' Dunlop will have to do. I ordered one of them. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800 replies Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:12:37 +-200 I have just changed my E-mail address. Subscribed to the new one, = unsubscribed to the old one. Works perfectly. However, I got replies to my latest message on *both* addresses. The = replies to the new adress were sent to PC800 etcetera.=20 The replies to my old address were sent using the reply feature, thereby = excluding other readers. I wasn't un-pleased because one of these = messages thouroughly told me off on my high speed driving. Thanks "dad". = However, I feel this is un-intentional. So remember y'all to reply to: = PC800@hpc.uh.edu Many greetings. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 19:40:05 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rifle Shield... Hi all! Thanks to those of you who added input. It seems that the advice was to get as big of wind screen as you can, since it is more beneficial to both rider and passenger. As a result I ordered the big 29" wind screen today. The people at Rifle seem to be very good in the customer service department. They mentioned that if the 29" is too big, I can return it for the next size down. Somehow, I think the 29" will be just fine. The next task will be installing it myself! (I hope the instructions are good!) So, thanks again to those of you who sent input on the Rifle shields! Much appreciated! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jun 96 19:55:42 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Front fork stuff Steve Carr says: > I just added new fork seals (Pro-Moly) and Progressive Suspension front springs. Works great, wish I would have >done it sooner. Ditto!!! *BIG* improvement, don't you agree? >I also fitted a ST1100 front fender to the bike, I like seeing calipers and rotors! Yeah? Does that work? No modifications? Cost of the fender? > Know anyone that makes fork braces??? No one can answer that for me either. I used to have a tele-fix on an ol' 750 that made a big difference. Keep me posted on what you find out, okay? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:12:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RKA Tank Bags To everyone who is interested in a RKA bag. They have an excellent selection. They don't use suction cups, have a quick release strap system and they offer liner bags for our PC's. Nice people, I met them at the NY show. Toll free # 800-349-1RKA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:38:02 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front fork stuff Parrothead wrote: > > Steve Carr says: > > > I just added new fork seals (Pro-Moly) and Progressive Suspension front > springs. Works great, wish I would have >done it sooner. > > Ditto!!! *BIG* improvement, don't you agree? > > >I also fitted a ST1100 front fender to the bike, I like seeing calipers and > rotors! > > Yeah? Does that work? No modifications? Cost of the fender? > > > Know anyone that makes fork braces??? > > No one can answer that for me either. I used to have a tele-fix on an ol' 750 > that made a big difference. Keep me posted on what you find out, okay? > > Dennis > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. The ST1100 fender fits, as in size, perfect. But mounting holes are different. I removed some plastic from the inside of the fender and cut a small extension "bar" from some aluminum about 6 inches long for each side. The top 5 inches of the extension bar is under the fender, so you don't notice any ugliness. I got the fender from Western Honda (Motorcyclist mag) for $92. It only comes in ST1100 colors (black, silver, red, maroon) so I also purchased '89 paint. Base coat, top coat and clear coat (11 oz. spray) came to about $55. Steve Carr '89 PC Ann Arbor, MI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:48:19 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Topbox for PC I tried ordering the ST1100 topbox from a dealer and was told it was discontinued in the US but still for sale in Europe. Anyone know someone with one to sell? Or maybe how to get one from Europe? Everytime I look at my PC, I always feel as though something is missing from the back. So I added a passenger backrest, better but still needs more. Can you tell I'm going for that CBR"Gold Wing"RR look?! I like the ST1100 topbox because its about half the size of most other topbox/trunks (which are designed to hold a full face helmet). Anyone know of an alternate topbox? Gee, with all these ST1100 parts I'm adding, makes you wonder why I don't just buy a ST1100.... easy, a used PC offers more bang for the buck. I bought my '89 PC three years ago for $2500 with 24K miles! I've been debating about the ST1100, but I just can't justify $11,500 for "more power, less storage." Steve Carr '89 PC Ann Arbor, MI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:14:16 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Topbox for PC At 08:48 PM 6/10/96 -0400, you wrote: >I like the ST1100 topbox because its about half the size of most other >topbox/trunks (which are designed to hold a full face helmet). Anyone >know of an alternate topbox? Steve, have you considered the GIVI stuff? From what I hear quality is excellent, and their small trunk seems to be what you are looking for. Problem is, the importer ran into trouble with the factory and now the distribution is up in the air. There's suppossed to be an importer up in Canada, but I've written them twice with no response. Even the rack alone would be a big improvement! (maybe that is why Honda came up with that spoiler/wing thing). Good hunting, let us know if you meet with success. >Gee, with all these ST1100 parts I'm adding, makes you wonder why I >don't just buy a ST1100.... easy, a used PC offers more bang for the >buck. I bought my '89 PC three years ago for $2500 with 24K miles! >I've been debating about the ST1100, but I just can't justify $11,500 >for "more power, less storage." I agree. And now there's the Valkyrie (yum!) If I ever figure out how to graft the trunk of the PC to one of those I'll have my version of the perfect bike :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:26:42 -0500 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: Clean Wheels So.......... How are you folks cleaning the wheels on the Pacific Coast? To me keeping the wheels looking good is the hardest thing about owning the bike. Thanks Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 23:22:58 +0600 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: HELLLLPPP!!!!t Content-Id: <16_64_1_834463378> Juan wrote: >As for your mileage problems, it could also be that you either got a bad >batch of gas, you used premium (it has been documented that the PC gets >worse mileage on gas with octane higher than regular) or your carb jets >needed cleaning, which the detergents in the gasoline did over the length >of your trip. Good luck. Not a bad batch of gas, because it started with my neighborhood station, and continued across half a dozen stations in three states. I never use high-test gas. Could have been dirty jets, or other gunk built up in the carbs over the winter, but I used Stabil as I have in the past with no previous similar problems. But boy, I hope it was dirty jets, now cleaned. Another tankful or two will tell. Thanks for the ideas. Others possibilities are welcome while I continue to test. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jun 96 00:20:55 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "David W. Brickner" Cc: Jim Alexander <73373.2113@CompuServe.COM> Subject: OHIO HSTA PRESS RELEASE-IMMEDIATE!!! Steve Guider- Ohio State Director just called and has some news--------- The Ohio BIRGADE of the HSTA would like to cordually invite all you to the ANNUAL S.E. OHIO RIDE AUGUST 16-18 The EVENT HOTEL for this will be: QUALITY INN, Nelsonville Ohio (on Rt 33 west of Athens, Ohio) (614)753-3531 or 1-800-228-5151 Metion Your with the HSTA -20 or so rooms available till about AUG 1. Price== call for quoite.... The area is rich in great roads and senic beauty, located in the foothills of the appalachia range, the amish country, has caves to explore, and hills to ride over/under/around..... If you wanna know more grab your BLUEBOOK and call one of us Yankee's over here in OHIO!!! ATTN: Any one of you that can help get this info into your state's Newsletter I would appreciate the help...and pass along to State Dir's....Hopefully I'll get something out in the StarReveiew..... HSTA Fireman Joe Beresford Ohio State Newsletter Editor Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jun 96 00:20:51 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: Open Letter to all PC800 listers.. Dear friends, I am going to unsubcribe for a little while: whilst I see if that fixes a little bug my e-mail box has developed...seems I loose some mail, and get multiple copies of otheres....so getting 100 messages in one day is a little wierd.....I am still here, just email a letter to me if there's something happening here I might be interested in, I would like to be kept up on things......plus I am getting ready for a month on the road aborad the PC....I like to vacation on the bike...and I have a nice job where I get 4 weeks of vacation and 8 floating holidays...heheheheheh Fireman Joe Beresford Cinncinnati, OH HSTA-Oh Newsletter Editor 90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:52:31 -0700 To: PC800 Mailing List From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: hi bryce ya know...one of these days I'll have a brain... your work #??? call me at the studio (583-8112) during the day tommorow if you want to get together tommorow or wednesday night. Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 09:39:54 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Horn Subject: Re: Rifle Shield... I just installed a 29" rifle on my '95 PC800. The installation was not hard, but just remember where everything was when you take the old screen off. I found that unless I made a mental note as to where every screw went I might have not put all the parts back exactly where they belong. I had a problem getting the allen screw that holds the screen to the dash. Has anyone else experience this problem. Jeff Horn jeffh@fcbs.com >Hi all! > >Thanks to those of you who added input. It seems that the advice was to get >as big of wind screen as you can, since it is more beneficial to both rider >and passenger. > >As a result I ordered the big 29" wind screen today. The people at Rifle >seem to be very good in the customer service department. They mentioned that >if the 29" is too big, I can return it for the next size down. Somehow, I >think the 29" will be just fine. The next task will be installing it myself! > (I hope the instructions are good!) > >So, thanks again to those of you who sent input on the Rifle shields! Much >appreciated! > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:00:37 -0400 To: billf@cybertron.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clean Wheels try Mother's Aluminum Polish. It works great. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:11:56 -0400 To: 73615.1475@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Open Letter to all PC800 listers.. I am going to miss you Fireman Joe. I know you will enjoy your traveling on the PC. Please give us a report when you return. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Jason Tibbitts Cc: PC800 Subject: Final drive oil change Jason, if you haven't changed it yet, it drains MUCH better warm. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jun 96 12:01:23 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: HELIX my ass Bruce: I guess now is not a good time to tell you my first "bike" was a 100cc Vespa. Only rode it for 700 miles before seeing the light and buying a 400 Honda. Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jun 96 12:01:34 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: PC Colors Hi, Cory! You wrote: > Everybody knows that the only TRUE PC color is Pearl White! It's common Amen, Brother! > Cory "Ride Solo" "cum noster clunium frigidus et gravis" Though I never studied Latin, I retain enough of my childhood Italian to make out "With our ? cold and heavy" What exactly is a "clunium," how do I go about getting one, and should I be worried if I have one already? Steve S. (89PC, of course!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:30:07 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Clean Wheels At 10:26 PM 6/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >So.......... >How are you folks cleaning the wheels on the Pacific Coast? > >To me keeping the wheels looking good is the hardest thing about owning the >bike. Spray them down with Simple Green, let it sit for a few minutes, then hose them off. Usually no scrubbing is needed. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clean Wheels I used a spray from Mother's designed for rough-cast aluminum wheels and I think it removed some kind of protective varnish or something because now my wheels get dirtier faster than ever before. I'm concerned about corrosion. Any ideas out there? <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: PC800 Rifle in Europe Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:55:59 +-200 I've E-mailed Rifle to aks for resellers in Europe, preferably the = Netherlands. No answer so far. Anybody out there know of a reseller, = dealer or whatever of Rifle shields in the Netherlands? R. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1996 15:27:42 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "RH" == "Richard A Hardy" writes: RH> Jason, if you haven't changed it yet, it drains MUCH better warm. Hey, thanks for all the tips folks. I still haven't done any work because I haven't managed to get an oil filter. No auto store has the Fram PH6017 and the two bike shops didn't have the Honda filter, either. That really sucks. I think I'm going to have Western Auto order a case of Fram filters for me. I figure I can beat the Honda filter price by a factor of three or four. Unfortunately I'd have to buy a dozen, but that just means I can change the oil often. Chaparral wants $31 for the "econo" carb tuner, $55 for the good one. Any other recommendations? Thanks to Dave Gross for the shorter '89 windshield which I'm going to try out this weekend. It hits better (worse?) than 105 on the slab in the sun; I need more airflow. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Juan A. Goula" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clean Wheels Thanks, Juan. Is there anything you *haven't* done with a PC? On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > At 10:26 PM 6/10/96 -0500, you wrote: > >So.......... > >How are you folks cleaning the wheels on the Pacific Coast? > > > >To me keeping the wheels looking good is the hardest thing about owning the > >bike. > > Spray them down with Simple Green, let it sit for a few minutes, then hose > them off. > Usually no scrubbing is needed. > > Juan > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:22 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: crosswinds Thanks to everyone who responded to my concern about crosswind effect. I'll try to go with the flow...Actually, I may have discovered a great solution this weekend...took my friend's new V-Max out for a spin! I'm sure it has the same crosswind effect but you hardly feel it due to the ear-to-ear grin on your face. Boy,that is thing fast! Downshifting from 4th to 3rd at 45mph and twisting the throttle produces acelleration that jams you into the buttrest of the seat. Not as comfortable as the PC, but not uncomfortable either. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:56:18 -0400 From: Steve Carr To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle Shields Alan D. Smith wrote: > > Steve...sounds outstanding. I have the +4 and since reading > your post now have screen envy. > > Buying the bike used I don't know how much the shield was. Do you > know how much it would be to replace the +4 with the 6? > > I know if I scrunch down about 2 inches things do get REAL quiet. > > Thanks, > > Alan > > '89 PC800 > '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) I think replacement shields are about $80 from Rifle. Steve Carr '89 PC 800 Ann Arbor,MI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) On 11 Jun 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > I haven't managed to get an oil filter. No auto store has the Fram PH6017 > > I think I'm going to have Western Auto order a case of Fram filters for My advice is to be very wary of Fram aftermarket oil filters. The one in question had a severe problem with actually blowing off several race bikes leading to some massive accidents (I was right there on the track at Willow Springs when one happened and by some miracle I was not involved). Several roadrace organizations have banned Fram spin-on filters as a result. While I realize that the PC is not a racebike, filters blowing off tends to conern me so I removed the Fram from my wife's PC after this happened. I run Honda filters only now on my racebike and the wife's PC. Fram blamed the problem on a switch in production to the Philipines or something but I am not sure the problem has been adequately addressed because the subsequent Fram 6017's I have seen do not look as good in the thread section as the Honda part. For a bike that needs maintenance as infrequently as the PC the money savings of a Fram is not worth the risk, to me anyway. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Michael Dube Cc: Jason L Tibbitts III , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Jun 1996 19:14:58 -0500 Lines: 15 >>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: MD> My advice is to be very wary of Fram aftermarket oil filters. Oops. I had intended, but forgot, to say that I knew all about the Fram filter problem and am not worried. MD> For a bike that needs maintenance as infrequently as the PC the money MD> savings of a Fram is not worth the risk, to me anyway. That depends on whether you change your oil at 2000 miles or thr recommended 8000 miles. I paid $15 for my last Honda dealer, which is just way too much. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: FF731@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:00:06 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: SERVICE I'm bringing in my PC for its first 600 mile service. Any advice? Frank F. 96 RED PC800 Toms River, N.J. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:16:51 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: SERVICE At 10:00 PM 6/11/96 -0400, you wrote: >I'm bringing in my PC for its first 600 mile service. Any advice? Frank, If your dealer is anything like ours, they will probably try to change the plus and charge you dealer prices for them. Since I can't see the point, try querying them about it, see if they give you some lame explanation for it. Otherwise, just open your wallet and grit you teeth. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) On 11 Jun 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > Oops. I had intended, but forgot, to say that I knew all about the Fram > filter problem and am not worried. Just look at the threads on the Fram filter and compare them to the Honda filter's threads, then tell me you are not worried. You may not be, but at least give yourself the benefit of the doubt and make the comparison. > That depends on whether you change your oil at 2000 miles or thr > recommended 8000 miles. I paid $15 for my last Honda dealer, which is just > way too much. It is a lot. Call one of the OEM parts discounters in the back of magazines and see what kind of deal you could get on a volume discount. I am aware of no data that suggests changing oil every 2000 miles is of benefit. I happen to change oil every 4000 on our PC, 3000 on my ZX11, 4000 on my 450 Nighthawk, and after every race weekend on my Hawk, but I have no proof that my approach is optimal. Also, while oil may lose some of its protective efficacy over time, filters probably don't degrade so you might consider changing the filter only every other oil change if cost is a big concern. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) (fwd) On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 Roger_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com wrote: > Well said. Penny-wise, pound foolish. I heard the same about the > Fram filters. Saving a couple bucks on air filters and oil filters, > to me, isn't worth the chance of a breakdown or premature wear. Perhaps I am biased because I actually was out on the track at the very time someone else's Fram blew off and caused some real carnage during a Saturday practice at Willow Springs. Some of my friends were injured and had their bikes destroyed. I actually passed right throught he part of the track the incident occurred in before the red flag was thrown to stop the practice session, because yellow flags were out I probably changed my line just enough so that I wasn't brought into the oil spill (I actually didn't find out exactly what had happened until a week later!). So even though Fram says they have taken care of the problem, I am concerned when I look at a Fram side by side with the Honda filter. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:59:58 -0700 To: FF731@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: SERVICE At 10:00 PM 6/11/96, FF731@aol.com wrote: >I'm bringing in my PC for its first 600 mile service. Any advice? > Frank F. > 96 RED PC800 > Toms River, N.J. > put more miles on it :>) Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:19 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: The frendly motorcycle My wife looked across the dinner table, smiled and said, "I am only going to be working a few days during the next two weeks." She is a nurse, supposedly part time, at the local VA hospital here in Kansas City. But, with the lack of nurses part time often exceeds 40 hours per week. She continued, "lets go to Omaha for a couple of days next week. I want to see the aquarium, and Judy said there is this great steak place we should try." I answered, "OK, that sounds like fun." She responded, "If the weather is nice, we could take the bike." My wife suggesting we could take the bike was something new. It came after I purchased the PC about six months ago. Before that the motorcycle was mine, the Acura was half mine and half hers and the Galant was hers. I had purchased the Pacific Coast at the end of last summer. It was a 1994 with 1,900 miles on the odometer and not a scratch on it. I was going to ride it through the winter and then trade it for a BMW or an ST1100 in the beginning of the coming summer. My wife greeted it the day I bought it on the driveway with skeptical eyes and saying, "it looks like something out of Buck Rogers. Where is the motor? Turn it on. I want to hear it run." " Honey, it is running." "Oh," she said, turned and went back into the house. A few days later I suggested we take the bike over to the club for a Sunday afternoon barbecue. She reluctantly agreed. I was after 8 o'clock, and just dark when we were on a way home. At the stop light she leaned over and said, "its a nice night, lets take a ride through the Plaza." The Plaza is a up-scale shopping and restaurant center, now a little down on its heels, just outside the core of downtown Kansas City. As we rode down Medcalf toward the Plaza, I noticed in the rear view mirrors, that my wife's hands were not grasping the passanger's grab bars, as when she rode on other bikes, but demurely folded in her lap. One warm early December evening I suggested we go down to one of the river boats for dinner. Food in the casino's is a real bargain. A full course, formal meal, for two with aged beef or fresh lobster, including a drink apiece and tip, would only cost about $35.00 to $40.00 in one of the casino restaurants. The same service in a Kansas city restaurant would be at double the price. When we arrived at the casino the doorman, instead of flushing us to one of the back parking lots meaning a mile walk back to the casino, directed the PC to park next to the casino's entrance, on the sidewalk, under the canopy. As we were strapping are helmets to the passanger's grab bars, the doorman walked over saying, "nice bike." I ask, " Is this the motorcycle parking lot?" "It sure is," he responded, "we had 25 Harleys line up and down the sidewalk yesterday. That one," indicating the PC, "is sure a lot quieter than a Harley" We had a excellent dinner that night, and won a couple of hundred dollars playing $5.00 blackjack. On any warm day throughout the winter it was not unusual for my wife to suggest, "lets take the bike." It might of been a shot trip to a firends house, a run to the mall or going to a new discount store. I looked across the dinner table, "where to you want to stay in Omaha?" " I don't know. Why don't you use the computer and make the reservations" "Honey," I thought I would ask her, " you would never really wanted ride any of the past bikes. What do you like about the Pacific Coast?" She stopped eating, though for a monent and then said, "its a friendly motorcycle" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Jun 96 11:22:50 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List , Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Re: General Stuff (Was: Final drive oil change) A local cycle shop guy told me that particular Fram filter has been discontinued with no plans for a re-issue. Don't know if it's true, just what I heard. Later, Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Wed Jun 12 10:41:35 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:35:06 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle Bernie, My glasses were starting to get steamed up........ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:59:48 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Wind blocker? Anyone use one of those things that goes around your neck and attaches to the helmet liner to eliminate wind noise? I have a Sonic intercom and the mic is always on so I tend to get noises from the passanger. Sometimes the wind noise in her helmet is bad enough that I have to turn my volume off. I was thinking perhaps this collar thing would help. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 09:08:06 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: berniek469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle REPLY TO 06/12/96 08:28 FROM BernieK469@aol.com: PC800: Re: The frendly motorcycle Bernie, What a wonderful story! And what wonderful sentiment! Our PC's are truly "friendly" bikes. Thanks for sharing, Erin in Mountain View ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle Do I feel a group hug coming on? "Erin Dolin" writes: > REPLY TO 06/12/96 08:28 FROM BernieK469@aol.com: PC800: Re: The frendly > motorcycle > > Bernie, > > What a wonderful story! And what wonderful sentiment! Our PC's are > truly "friendly" bikes. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Erin in Mountain View > > To: BernieK469@aol.com > cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Guntherski@AOL.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:41:52 Subject: Trip Report: Chicago to WV From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Well, A family reunion in Parkersburg, WV was the excuse for a LONG ride. I took off from Chicago at 9:30 AM headed for WV. Rain was expected so I suited up for the wet stuff and hit the road. I took the slab towards Indianapolis but the draw of rural America was too much and I veered off on Rt. 38. A perfectly nice stretch of road through the heartland. There was a bit of nastiness in New Castle, IN. The Klan had decided that it was a good time to round up the MORONS who actually think that skin pigment is somehow related to IQ. There were about 100 cops, all over the place. Moving on to the slab again, (I70) across OH to Columbus. Rain had begun again and the country roads were getting slick. South of Columbus to Rt. 33, the rain really came down. Pushing onward through intermintant thundershowers put me in Parkersburg, WV about 11 hours later, 460 miles. Sumday morning dawned overcast and warm. I went to see "the Old Home Place" which was 45 minutes away, if you knew where you were going.... I took me about 3 hours round trip. Rain basically never stopped. Light, misty, annoying rain. Beautiful country to ride through, but I'm glad I don't live there. Lots of turtles on the road, and had to drive around an auto transmission, also on the road. I didn't want to ask. Had the reunion bit and hit the road back to Chicago at about 2:30pm. I went back through Columbus but took Rt. 33 North out of Columbus, through Marysville, (yes, I did stop at the plant and took a picture) headed for Ft. Wayne, IN. It started raining again in IN. It was nearlt 9pm so I stopped at a hotel next to a movie theater. I decided to see "The Rock"( good flick). If the rain hadn't stopped, I was going to spend the night, and ride again in the morning. However, the starts were out after the movie so I hit the road again. Well, fog my friends is no fun to ride through. I was only able to go about 45mph, the road was slick the entire way, trucks were going at least 60mph as they blew by, the windshield was constantly covered in water, AND I could only see about 3-4 strips ahead. After 4 hours of riding, I had nearly crossed all of IN (140 miles). I was getting great mileage, well over 55mpg. Then, I slammed into a pot hole about 6 inches deep. I didn't see it because of the fog. I checked out the bike, both rims bent. And every time I went around a turn to the right I heard a high pitched whine. Needless to say, I found the first hotel and crashed out. The next morning I found a Honda dealer not too far away and limped over. I turned out the sound was from AIR escaping from the tire. The rim had been bent so badly that when I leaned to the right, the tire bead flexed, and air shot out. Looks like it's going to cost me apx. $300 for a new rear rim, $113 for a new Dunlop, and $50 labor. I'll still have a small dent in the front but.... The total trip was apx. 1050 miles. The moral is leave yourself enough time. Also, don't ride at night in the rain, and NEVER ride in the fog. It could have been worse had I hit a piece of truck tire. So, now for the questions..... Any comments on the prices for the wheel and the tire? Should I attempt the replacement of the rear wheel myself? Any thing in particular to look for in terms of damage? The bike seems to ride just fine. Thanks, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:30:31 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle If anyone names their PC "Casper" I shall become ill. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:42:29 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Bernie and Group Hugs... Bernie, that was a good story, thanks. Alan '89 PC800 ("Casper") - Just kidding, honest. '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Bernie and Group Hugs... I should point out, that not only was I kidding, and that I too enjoyed the account, my wife might have the same sentiment. She's said she never liked 'cycles, but thinks my '89 PC is ok, and pompts me to go for a ride, she does hold on to handles though ;) cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) writes: > Bernie, that was a good story, thanks. -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Jun 96 14:50:48 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Trip report. I wanted to take a couple of minutes to describe our last weekend ride to you. Juan and I took our "shakedown cruise" from Fairbanks to Seward and back this last weekend. Our aim was to make two 500-mile days in a row to check out the bikes, the ergonomics, the camping gear, the packing set-ups, and anything else we could think of to prepare for our upcoming trip to STAR '96. When we originally planned this weekend we hadn't realized it was the Memorial Day Weekend, so we were dreading the traffic. As it worked out we missed the Friday evening "get out of town " traffic and, by heading back on Sunday rather than Monday we missed the boats and campers being dragged back home. Traffic was no better and no worse than usual for the whole trip, even down in the "Los Anchorage" (as Juan calls it) area. It took a few minutes to get settled into the pace, but soon we were into things and getting settled down. Within an hour or two the bottom end started gettting sore. I was a little surprised about this because I didn't remember this happening before. Within annother hour, though that problem went away and didn't return for the rest of the weekend (at least for me!). We both were stretching our legs and flexing our knees fairly often. Once we were into things it was pretty common to stay on the bikes through an entire tank of fuel. The occasional additional stop was welcomed but not physically necessary. One stop that was NECESSARY found us at a resort with a sign on the door stating that their restrooms were for their customers ONLY. A cup of coffee makes you a customer, right? ;-) In the weather department things were pretty typical for this part of the country. We started out with sunshine and blue skies but it got cooler and darker as we went south. (Those of you not familiar w/ Alaska may find it hard to believe that we, up here in the central part of the state, have better weather than the folks in the south.) We managed to escape rain except for a few minor sprinkles, though there were a couple of places where the road was pretty wet. We made Seward, found the camp ground, and easily selected a spot. Our new tents went up quickly and it didn't take long to "force" ourselves to hit the hay. (Don't know what was more incentive, fatigue or the chill in the air!) We both got up well before a civilized time to get up (I've got to find a better pillow!) and messed around breaking camp and getting packed up. Juan took me on a brief tour of "Beautiful Downtown Seward" (even a long tour of Seward [the model for TV's Cicily, AK} would still be brief!), then we had a pretty good breakfast in a local dive. After a visit w/ the gas pumps we hit the road again. The trip back was even more uneventful than the ride south. We sat there and soaked up the miles. We made a one hour stop for lunch/dinner, and 11 hours after leaving Seward, we arrived back in Fairbanks, 500 miles north. Our 10 hours of riding time included gas stops, so I think the average of 50 mph over 10 hours was pretty good. I can accept that, but I hope we can do just a little better on our long ride. Even an average of 5 mph more would gain us an hour on our longer distance days. We've got at least a couple of 600+ mile days and several 500+ mile days planned and I think consistancy is going to be key. I had no problems with the Turtle and was very anxious to see how my fuel consumption suffered from the re-jetting job. As it worked out, I finally concluded that my milage (re-jetted PC) was consistantly 3mpg less than Juan's (stock PC). Most of the time we were keeping our speed between 65-70 (indicated). My home-made tail pack remained rock solid, as usual, and I was pleased with my "packing plan." The tail pack is just tall enough to provide some nice back support for long distance riding. The tank bag radio worked very well, though I think my new taller windshield will help make it even better by giving me a bigger envelope of still air. Well, it isn't the most exciting trip report ever posted here, but that's all I can think of for now and I wanted to get this one out before leaving on the big one. Have a great day and keep the rubber on the road. later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Jun 96 20:22:15 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: PC Colors Hi, Juan. You wrote: >I'll get this one Cory! You started out correctly "With our..." , then >clunium=bottom, as in rear, then cold and gravis= sore, in pain. That will >be our motto during our three week trip to Davis, WV for STAR '96 :-) The "gravis" will be constant, but I hope the "frigidus" wears off somewhere in Wyoming (or one of those other "square" states). Have a fun and safe trip to Davis! Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:16:05 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Wind blocker? At 11:59 AM 6/12/96 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone use one of those things that goes around your neck and attaches to >the helmet liner to eliminate wind noise? >I have a Sonic intercom and the mic is always on so I tend to get noises >from the passanger. Sometimes the wind noise in her helmet is bad enough >that I have to turn my volume off. I was thinking perhaps this collar >thing would help. Rick, I've recently installed one of those things (the economy model, no insulation) and it seems to work pretty well. Since I did, I've had no problems with wind noise on the Chatterbox's microphone. It also made the helmet a bit quieter, which helps me with heraing traffic or the stereo. At around 12 dollars it might be worth a try. Good luck Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:29:10 -0700 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Wind blocker? hey rick....those wind blocker things are GREAT! I have one both my Shoei 700 and 200 Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 22:18:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC? Hi all. I was just thinking about the initials PC. We know it as the Pacific Coast. Others know it as Politically Correct, Personal Computers, and Pretty Cool. Obviously we've got the "right" definition. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:17:54 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC? For more PC fun try entering "Pacifc Coast" into the anagram generator at http://csugrad.cs.vt.edu/~eburke/anagrams.html My favorite: fact i sip coca -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:16:31 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wind blocker? Rick, I have a Noj. It is the one that is for all season. It does quiet the noise some, but really it just taught me that the whole helmet makes noise. I use it on long trips as it is a pain to take the helmet on and off with it. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Peter Unstead" To: "PC800 Mail List" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:56:11 +0100 Hi All, Just a quick note to introduce myself: Name: Peter Unstead or (Pete Fingers) Location: Hampshire, England Email: fingers@sfd.co.uk PC Model year (if you have one): 1993 Bought Used/New: Used (11,000 miles) Modifications made to bike: None Years of Biking : 20 yrs (+- 12 Bikes) I have never owned such a beautiful looking bike as this one.. Hello to all the other PC owners and I look forward to chatting with you all.. -- Best Regards, Peter Unstead ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:34:15 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle Hi Bernie: great story! You should consider fleshing it out a bit to put it into context. Then send it to one or more of the magazines as a response to some of the PC bashing that has appeared lately. The PC was originally intended to appeal to people who are not into traditional motorcycles, and it does. I get more positive comments about it from nonriders than with any other motorcycle I've ever owned. And people are simply astounded to find out that it is an '89. I guess they are so rare that people just assume that they are "the latest thing," but the point is, Honda was right about its appeal; they just didn't do a good job of marketing to take advantage of it In a way, I'm glad they did. I'm glad to be one of the lucky few that gets to enjoy the best-kept secret in motorcycling. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:51:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: NOJ Quiet rider? WOW! Great response on the helmet thingy. Seems everyone likes em but which model is best? I live in the South "deep?" and wouldn't want to cut off air flow to cancel wind noise. NOJ makes: Basic, Standard and Deluxe models. The deluxe is claimed to be cooler in the Summer because of its wicking action. Hmmm. I don't know. The other two cross from left to right overlapping each other. Is this comfortabe? The Deluxe is made of several seperate pieces that look adjustable. Well what do you think? $19? $29? or $38? Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: PC800 list Subject: Need PC800 radiator Anybody have a PC800 radiator for sale? Reply e-mail or 818-576-5685 evenings, Michael. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Light bulbs To: PC800 List Hey PCers, Several months ago there was a short thread on this list about brighter tail/brake light bulbs. I saved one of the messages for a long time, but eventually deleted it. If memory serves, wasn't the brighter replacement for the #1157 bulb a #1157H halogen? I checked w/ the local auto parts store and their bulb catalog shows, as you can well imagine, just about every bulb ever designed. It doesn't show, however, anything designated as a #1157H. The charts in the book seemed fairly complete and indicated the wattage for each. I couldn't find anything that indicated that type of bulb but with higher wattage. Do any of you have any memory of this or any suggestions about a brighter tail/brake light bulb? Speaking of bulbs, at the same time I was looking for the #1157H, I was also trying to get an extra 100/55 headlight bulb to take along on our trip. This is at the same store where I bought the 100/55 I have now. The guy couldn't figure out what I wanted, started to give me the old "we don't carry motorcycle parts" song and dance, and in general made an ass of himself. While he was looking around for the 1157 I grabbed his book and found what I needed by myself. For some reason the book didn't list a 100/55 but did show a 100/80. When he got back I pointed to the listing and said, "I want that." I got the typical bit about how he couldn't be sure it would work, etc., etc., etc. Funny thing, two days later when pick it up at the store, the package says "Motorcycle accessory replacement bulb" on it. Go figure. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot (For Sale) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:14:44 -0400 To: fingers@sfd.co.uk, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject Welcome to the net peter. I know you will enjoy your PC. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:29:38 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Welcome.... to Peter! Glad to have you in the group. Here's wishing you a zillion safe and happy miles. Alan '89 PC800 '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:42:41 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney catalogs Richard A. Hardy wrote: > > A while back, there was a discussion re: the Whitney catalogs and I > mentioned that I had two cards from Whitney to send in for a friend to get > the catalog(s), and I would do so for the first two that took me up on it. > More than two wrote back, so I sent the cards in for the first two. Well, > I got a new catalog today, and it has two more cards in it. Anyone > interested? Catalogs are: General Big Catalog, Motorcycle, Volkswagen, > Automotive tools, RV, Pickup, Jeep, and Sport Utility. You can have up to > three. It also asks for your type of credit card, but I doubt if that is > mandatory. And, of course, your name and address. First two responders > gets them. Richard, I got my first catalog today. Thanks for sending in a card for me. PCers, Now I have three cards I can mail in if anyone is interested. Y'all let me know. Ok? -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Peter Unstead" To: "PC800 Mail List" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:57:57 +0100 Thanks for the warm welcome from everybody.. After visiting the PC homepage and viewing some pics there, I have come to the conclusion that the PC800 came out with a standard color configuration. If this is so, who custom painted mine with the "Pacific Coast" logo. I thought that it came from the factory like that. My bike was imported into the UK in 1992. Can anyone shed some light on the custom paint job?? My PC800 can be viewed at - www.sfd.co.uk/bikes/pc800.htm One of the pictures that are on that page is a closeup of the luggage box with the Pacific Coast paint job. I will be pleased to know who did such a great paint job, it makes the bike a little more unique. I also run a website called "Bikers Only" (www.sfd.co.uk/bikes/) as a hobby. It keeps us busy and informed I 'spose.. -- Best Regards, Peter Unstead ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:49:22 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: JC Whitney Speaking of JC Whitney, I've had my eye on a brake-light modulator (or whatever you call it) in the catalog. It makes your brake light flash three times whenever you apply brakes. That's appealing to me for my morning commute on Connecticut's notoriously busy roads, including the Merritt Parkway where I passed a guy this morning who was leafing through the paper as he drove 50-plus in heavy traffic. Anybody have any ideas, or the ordering details I'll need? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:53:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Back rest insalled Well gang. Ooops bettter not start that or well be banned from the NET. I bought the back rest for my 1995 PC and installed it in a couple of minutes last night. My wife test drove it in the driveway and said she's ready to ride to Alabama now! Well we live in Alabama so that really doesn't matter much. Actually she was quite impressed. Not as much as I was by the price of it I bet :-( Is this thing supposed to be black? My seat is gray but this back rest is definetely balck. What color are the older seats? Maybe they ordered the wrong one? Thanks and see some of you at the Honda HOOT. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:52:48 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle >Turn it on. I want to hear it run." > >" Honey, it is running." > >"Oh," she said, turned and went back into the house. Does anyone ever wonder what on earth woman are thinking at times like that? I can only imagine it is the equivilance of wha happens when I walk over to my dogs and say " I'm home!" [dogs] Duh! Then I say "I brought you some yummy steak bones!" [dogs] Uh Duh! wooof. Really I do wonder what on earth woman think about. I know color plays a role in what they think about. In fact I could probably bring home ANOTHER woman if she blended into the color sceme of our house. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 10:18:08 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Back rest insalled ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/14/96 10:20 ## I'll bet you got the '96 backrest. Seats were all the same until they went darker for '96. All backrests I've seen match the gray seat. Good price? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/14/96 09:53 ## Well gang. Ooops bettter not start that or well be banned from the NET. I bought the back rest for my 1995 PC and installed it in a couple of minutes last night. My wife test drove it in the driveway and said she's ready to ride to Alabama now! Well we live in Alabama so that really doesn't matter much. Actually she was quite impressed. Not as much as I was by the price of it I bet :-( Is this thing supposed to be black? My seat is gray but this back rest is definetely balck. What color are the older seats? Maybe they ordered the wrong one? Thanks and see some of you at the Honda HOOT. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Back rest insalled Rick, My original backrest was the same color as the seat, gray. Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > Well gang. Ooops bettter not start that or well be banned from the NET. > I bought the back rest for my 1995 PC and installed it in a couple of > minutes last night. My wife test drove it in the driveway and said she's > ready to ride to Alabama now! Well we live in Alabama so that really > doesn't matter much. Actually she was quite impressed. Not as much as I > was by the price of it I bet :-( > Is this thing supposed to be black? My seat is gray but this back rest is > definetely balck. What color are the older seats? Maybe they ordered the > wrong one? > > Thanks and see some of you at the Honda HOOT. > > > > Sincere thanks > Rick Fisher > dentfan@iquest.com > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! > http://members.aol.com/dentman711 > > Rick Fisher > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > ******************************************************************** > **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" > ;-) > **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? > > $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ > ******************************************************************** > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 08:41:04 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: quietness >Turn it on. I want to hear it run." > >" Honey, it is running." Being new to PC-dom, I'm amazed at the things that happen due to the lack of noise. Pulled up 6" behind my sister-in-law at our line of rural mailboxes; she didn't even know I was there. Glad she didn't decide to back up. We also have a rustic character in our neighborhood who runs a welding shop; he has a pack of rambunctious guard dogs that are his first line of defense against the world. I completely ruined his day when I walked into his shop; the dogs not only remained quiet, but he didn't even hear me ride up. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:26:03 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: ML2's FYI, Just called Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, the lady said that they DID have ML2's for the rear in stock (I asked twice) and the fronts were due in on 6/21. $119 for the rear (the catalog said $100.95, but she said there was a price increase from the manufacturer). I ordered a Dunlop for $89; the Dunlop on the front has enough life left that I'll replace them both with something else next time. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 08:32:27 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Dentman711@aol.com Subject: Re[2]: Re: The frendly motorcycle Now that's a pretty low, back stabbing remark about women in general. As a woman that rides a lot, I have people ask me if my PC is running quite often, while waiting at a light in traffic. Your wife probable thought it would sound like bikes do in t.v. commercials or the motorcycle races. Wanda Bailie bailiew@kentrox.com 1995 PC800 Black Beauty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Re: The frendly motorcycle Author: Dentman711@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/14/96 7:04 AM >Turn it on. I want to hear it run." > >" Honey, it is running." > >"Oh," she said, turned and went back into the house. Does anyone ever wonder what on earth woman are thinking at times like that? I can only imagine it is the equivilance of wha happens when I walk over to my dogs and say " I'm home!" [dogs] Duh! Then I say "I brought you some yummy steak bones!" [dogs] Uh Duh! wooof. Really I do wonder what on earth woman think about. I know color plays a role in what they think about. In fact I could probably bring home ANOTHER woman if she blended into the color sceme of our house. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:37:41 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) Subject: ML2's To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Upsetting trying to get >odd size tires, isn't it? This may sound silly, but is the fact that PC's use an odd size the reason all the talk is only about ML2's and the original Dunlops? I've been wondering why nobody talks about other alternatives. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: Wanda Bailie Subject: Re: ML2's To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) We also ordered tires from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. They said I would receive them within a week. Instead of tires, I received a backorder letter. We called back and talked to them. They quoted the same date for the front and that the rear was in stock. We said send the rear now, we need it on before vacation. If the front gets in on time we will have it on before vacation too. Upsetting trying to get odd size tires, isn't it? Wanda Bailie bailiew@kentrox.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: ML2's Author: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/14/96 8:43 AM FYI, Just called Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, the lady said that they DID have ML2's for the rear in stock (I asked twice) and the fronts were due in on 6/21. $119 for the rear (the catalog said $100.95, but she said there was a price increase from the manufacturer). I ordered a Dunlop for $89; the Dunlop on the front has enough life left that I'll replace them both with something else next time. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 14:21:24 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (9312)_rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: ML2's ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/14/96 14:23 ## The PC is the one and only using that tire. Thanks, Honda. R ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (9312) rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/14/96 10:37 ## >Upsetting trying to get >odd size tires, isn't it? This may sound silly, but is the fact that PC's use an odd size the reason all the talk is only about ML2's and the original Dunlops? I've been wondering why nobody talks about other alternatives. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 14:23:06 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Back rest insalled ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/14/96 14:25 ## My "no secret" price was $120. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/14/96 13:51 ## >I'll bet you got the '96 backrest. Seats were all the same until >they went darker for '96. All backrests I've seen match the gray >seat. Good price? Great price. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:14:15 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: It's road trip time! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Well my fellow PC'ers and HSTA members, the time has come. In approximately 4 hours Cory and shall head east-south-east in to the great unknown, otherwise known as the "Lower 48" (there be dragons there?). I (we) will be off-line for the next three weeks. I believe my system has more than enough memory, so I'll remain subscribed, maybe I can go for the all time record number of messages waiting for me :-) I hope everyone out there has a great summer, put many safe miles on your steeds. Keep the rubber side down! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:34:36 -0700 From: Mike Hanus To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Member Introduction Folks, I've recently purchased a PC800, joined the pc800 mailing list & would like to introduce myself: Name: Mike Hanus Location: St. Charles, IL Email: julio49@ix.netcom.com PC Model Year: 96 Bought New Modifications: Passenger backrest The PC800 is my first motorcycle after an 18 year absence (took some time off to get married, raise a family, etc.). Needless to say, I was quite surprised at the advances in technology & PRICES. The PC800 seemed like a good compromise between a "crotch rocket" & the Goldwing. So far I haven't been disappointed. I've seen the mail go back & forth concerning the backrest - It's interesting that Rick Fisher got a black one & his seat is grey; I got a grey one & my seat is black! My dealer said they double checked & only one part number applies to the backrest - so if the dealer is telling the truth, maybe it's the "luck of the draw" when they pull it from stock? I also ordered the Hondaline extended winshield & returned it for a refund. It did a good job cutting down on the buffeting & noise, but the clarity was so poor it was like looking through a coke bottle (wavy & distorted). I thought that perhaps I just got a bad one & they could re-order a new one - until I saw a used PC800 at the dealer with the extended winshield & it had the same problem :-( I understand Rifle makes a series of replacement winshields for the PC800. Does anyone have any experience with one? I'm also thinking of replacing the stock seat with the Corbin seat. Does anyone have any words of wisdom on it? Thanks in advance, Mike Hanus ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: New Member Introduction Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:52:52 -0700 >Welcome to the group Mike. See the archives on the Web page http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/ and you'll find lots of comments on the Rifle shield and Corbin saddles. Currently Corbin has stopped production on the PC800 saddles because of a fitting problem. Never fear though because our own Dave Gross is riding Seattle, WA to Monterey, CA this weekend to donate his '89 PC800 as a seat model for the week. Pacific Coast Highway all the way. \"/ He's putting on a Rifle +2 windshield today before he leaves so he'll have plenty of miles to get adjusted and figure out his opinions. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Mike Hanus[SMTP:julio49@ix9.ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Friday, June 14, 1996 1:34 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: New Member Introduction > >Folks, > >I've recently purchased a PC800, joined the pc800 mailing list & would >like to introduce >myself: > >Name: Mike Hanus >Location: St. Charles, IL >Email: julio49@ix.netcom.com >PC Model Year: 96 >Bought New >Modifications: Passenger backrest > >The PC800 is my first motorcycle after an 18 year absence (took some >time off to get >married, raise a family, etc.). Needless to say, I was quite surprised >at the advances >in technology & PRICES. The PC800 seemed like a good compromise between >a "crotch >rocket" & the Goldwing. So far I haven't been disappointed. > >I've seen the mail go back & forth concerning the backrest - It's >interesting that Rick >Fisher got a black one & his seat is grey; I got a grey one & my seat >is black! My >dealer said they double checked & only one part number applies to the >backrest - so if >the dealer is telling the truth, maybe it's the "luck of the draw" when >they pull it >from stock? > >I also ordered the Hondaline extended winshield & returned it for a >refund. It did a >good job cutting down on the buffeting & noise, but the clarity was so >poor it was like >looking through a coke bottle (wavy & distorted). I thought that >perhaps I just got a >bad one & they could re-order a new one - until I saw a used PC800 at >the dealer with >the extended winshield & it had the same problem :-( > >I understand Rifle makes a series of replacement winshields for the >PC800. Does anyone >have any experience with one? > >I'm also thinking of replacing the stock seat with the Corbin seat. >Does anyone have any >words of wisdom on it? > >Thanks in advance, > >Mike Hanus >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:26:47 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Zen & The Art Of PC Operation This is a long philosophical thing that reminds me, now that it's written, of the Gary Larson cartoon of the two gorillas sitting under a tree, the one saying to the other, "Y'know, George, I really like bananas. I mean, heck, don't we all, but for me it's something really special." Anyway, here it is. I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on the East Coast of Canada. I'm a Nova Scotian, born and bred, I've lived here all of my 33 years. About a decade ago, the Vidyadhara Ch=F6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the leader of Shambhala, a Buddhist sect (http://www.shambhala.org/) decided that Halifax was the spiritual center of the world. a place where various energies were in harmony or something, that he was going to move here, and that if his followers wanted to bathe in this energy (and go to parties with him) they should move to Halifax too. They're in no way evangelical, but because so many Shambhalans have moved here -- mostly from the U.S. -- and lots of them are involved with the high-tech and high end service industry, you end up spending a lot of time with them. Your doctor, your plumber, your mechanic and especially the guys at the computer store are as likely as not to be Shambhalans. Meditation is the big Shambhala thing. In the same way that you practice scales to gain technical prowess on a musical instrument, the goal of the meditation is to learn to "be present." (A couple I know, both Transactonal Analysis therapists, spent their Christmas vacation doing meditation practice, nine hours a day, breaking for meals, for ten days.) Anyway, you end up in a lot of situations talking about meditation, and if you talk to anyone about job stress, getting along with your spouse, enjoying life &c, very often the person will say, "It's so much better since I've been doing meditation practice." So I've done some meditation in the last year, and listened to people *talk* about it a lot. "Being present" means seeing, hearing, smelling, touching, tasting, enjoying, absorbing, being part of,the world around you, instead of thinking about what you can make for supper, whether your hair looks nice, how you're going to get that report done by Friday, or, well, thinking about anything really. Your senses should be busy absorbing the whole space around you. In some places I've formally meditated, it's quite difficult to not think about, for instance, why someone would ever write a song called "Achey Breakey Heart" or why someone in the next room would possibly choose to listen to it. Now, it has come to me over the past couple of weeks, that being on my PC (on the open road, in the city, any time, not just on those Perfect Ride days) feels to me exactly like what the Buddhists have described Being Present to be. As soon as I get in the saddle, something in my brain shuts down "thinking" and starts just being aware of everything around me. It was driven home to me by a friend who just dropped his bike. He had been thinking about work ("Thinking") and hadn't noticed that the car in front of him had stopped, did emergency braking, and dropped his bike at zero MPH without hitting it. I was trying to think of a time when that could have happened to me, and been paying attention to "attentiveness" since then. And even on a couple of long-ride days -- six hours or more -- I still felt "Present" at the end of the day. And I think that having a quiet bike, a windscreen and faring, and a helmet with good visibility are a big part of why I can comfortably perceive all of my environment. Also, posture is important in the Shambhala meditation- you usually imagine your trunk, neck, and head being pulled up by a string attached to the crown of your head- a natural position on the PC. This ties in nicely with our debates about clocks, radios, tapedecks, and intercoms. I have long wondered why none of my bikes have been so bedecked, given that I'm a reasonably serious gadget geek and media freak. I think it's because they don't fit in with Being Present on the bike. The last thing that ties in with all of this is the fact that summer's coming, and I was thinking about the summers as a child, when the summer stretched out interminably both in front and behind me. I think that that had a lot to do with Being Present at the time, and it's something to reclaim- by savouring the moment you stretch time (or, I think it would be more accurate to say that by not Being Present, you fold up time like an accordion.) The Shambhalas believe that when you're born, you have a perfect ability to Be Present, and you get worse and worse at it unless you practice otherwise. So anyway, for me, being on the PC is a lot like meditation and way of reclaiming time. (I wonder what Robert Pirsig would have written if he had driven a PC?) -da= n -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:46:02 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Zen & The Art of PC Operation Amen. We've lost a lot, and most don't really know it. But some can have the fun of finding it again. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:52:18 -0400 To: julio49@ix9.ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member Introduction Mike, welcome to the net. There has been numerous discussions on the rifle fairing, mostly positive. Check the archives on the web page. I should be through St. Charles sometime in the next few weeks. I will give you a call for coffee. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Back rest insalled From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Jun 1996 15:38:26 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> Is this thing supposed to be black? My seat is gray but this back rest D> is definetely balck. What color are the older seats? Maybe they ordered D> the wrong one? The older backrests were grey to match the seats. The '96 PCs have darker seats (and dashboards, and lower panels, and...) so they probably ordered you one for a '96 model. I don't know if you can still get a grey one. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:02:06 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Zen & The Art Of PC Operation Well done, ZMM and Lila are two really great works. I also don't feel a strong need for extra stimulation when I ride. After a particularly long stretch, my passenger, starved for attention, said "So, what have you been thinking about?". I replied, "Keeping us alive." Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:47:45 -0700 From: K W Rogers To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney catalogs Ok, the cards are in the mail. The lucky winners are: Alexander D. Gray Eric Matthews E.Y. MurphEY When they get their new catalogs, they can send in cards for you. -- K W Rogers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Worthless dealers From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 14 Jun 1996 16:06:54 -0500 Lines: 28 This message will serve as a test of some fixes I installed. If this comes through clear then I'll have fixed things. Anyway, I wanted to vent about a local dealer. A friend with a '94 PC takes his bike there for warranty service. Things are constantly going wrong with his bike. He's broken a speedo cable, cratered his water pump, list his thermal sensor _and_ his thermostat, lost bolts from the rear sub-frame and the bike runs like crap. It really hurts me to see this poor machine. That's enough indenting; if the above paragraphs come through I at least put a bandaid on the problem. Continuing, he keeps taking his bike to one dealer for warranty service and I think they're responsible for most of his problems. They say that the thermostat and thermal sensor were trashed when he ran over something that cracked his water pump. He believed them until I pointed out that the thermostat is under the right front fairing, while the water pump is about behind the kickstand. Now he's gone back to them and they have incorrectly installed the plastic on the bike. The tabs are all hanging out and the panels are covered with grime and oil. I just can't believe this, but he keeps taking the bike back because it's all under warranty so he's not paying a dime. Anyone else been to a dealer this horrible? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:28:10 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Worthless Dealers When I got my (used) Beemer, I noticed one cylinder was making a distinctly different noise than the other. I took it to the "authorized" BMW dealer (they ballyhoo that fact to put down the independent shops) so the service manager could lay an ear on it, give me some ideas if it should be checked out or not. He didn't even listen; he said that Beemers were so noisy, ya couldn't tell anything by listening to them. I left, and very seldom went back. Cause? A bent valve beating on the top of the piston. (Yes, I too am amazed that I bought a bike in that condition). Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Worthless dealers Date: 14 Jun 96 21:31:20 GMT On 6/14/96, Jason wrote: >Continuing, he keeps taking his bike to one dealer for warranty service >and I think they're responsible for most of his problems. They say that >the thermostat and thermal sensor were trashed when he ran over something >that cracked his water pump. He believed them until I pointed out that >the thermostat is under the right front fairing, while the water pump is >about behind the kickstand. >Now he's gone back to them and they have incorrectly installed the >plastic on the bike. The tabs are all hanging out and the panels are >covered with grime and oil. I just can't believe this, but he keeps >taking the bike back because it's all under warranty so he's not paying a >dime. >Anyone else been to a dealer this horrible? >- J< Okay, this is sort of a test for me, too. Maybe this time I will have a voice and then watch out all! No more lurking thanks to Jason :-) I have had nothing but good service at my dealer...I have bought both my PC and my new truck at the same place so they all know me by my first name. It sounds like this guy needs to find another place...won't another dealership honor his warranty? Jo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:25:50 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: WetLeather , pc800 Subject: Happy news! So, I come home a coupla weeks ago, and there's a not one my PC800 from my neighbors, saying she's really really sorry. In backing out of the carport, she'd cut the wheels too far, too fast, and had nocked the bike over. Mirror popped off as it should, but was still cracked. I'm still not sure how she or her S.O. picked it up, but they did. Anyway, I'm putting the mirror back on when in she comes. 10 minutes of apologies, with me doing my best "really, it's just 'stuff', don't worry, it's not important" line of crap, whilst avoiding the urge to choke the life out of her..... :) 3 days later, her insurance adjuster calls me to give me a fax number where I can send the estimate. I go to my local dealer, who says, "what happened?" He proceeded to write up pretty much everything on the right side of the bike. With labor, totalling . . . $1586. (PCs are mostly plastic on the outside, for those of ya who ain't seen one yet.) 3 days after that, I get a call from the adjuster. Expecting a conversation along the lines of, "Are you off your nut completely!?!?!?" I was pleasantly surprised to find that she just wanted to make sure who to make the draft out to. I got it today. Full estimate amount. I'm on my way to order parts! Oregon Coast trip report to follow when I get back Sunday. Kinda hate to miss Fremont, 20, &/or goats, but Dave gets lost soooo easily, I gotta at least get him to CA. -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 15:52:26 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: barf@redshift.com (doug napier) Greetings PC'ers... I'm looking for some info on the PC motor. Does anyone know if this motor was used in any other Hondas, or if it is closely related to any of them?(Africa twin, Hawk, etc.) What motorcycles was this motor used in for racing purposes? What is the angle of the "V" in the motor? Anyway, thanks for whatever help you can provide. Doug By the way, I'm not on the list, so please respond directly to barf@redshift.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Doug Napier ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:44:21 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: wetleather@onpmomma.isc-br.com Subject: from dave hi gang... I'm leavin in the am..thanks for Bryce for the advice and help getting the taillight/tank bank ready...Put the Rifle +2" on today...didn't have a lot of trouble, but I noticed that the inner washer/spacer thingies were too big for the holes in the shield. It's a tight fit. but I didn't crack the thing. It sits a littl crooked for some reason, so I'll adjust in in the am.. It's gonna take some time getting used to looking through the screen all the time. Specially after the Corbin lowers me some more. anyway...with any luck, I'll return from CA with an additional Corbin for my brother. So..we'll have 2 PC 800 Seats for sale, along with backrests. And one windsheild from a '90 PC. Make offers. :>) -- Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Jun 96 22:47:29 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: ML2's Today's mail Bob C. said: Motorcycel accessory warehouse told him about ML2s the fronts were due in on 6/21. Rick . . . . . . If you want to believe them and bet your riding season on em . . . . okay. but . . . . . . I called Metzler and they said ungotz! They said four weeks minimum before they get the boat to the east coast! Then more time to the distributor and dealer. Its your call! Good luck Dennis P.S. - I ordered the Dunlop and it has been shipped to me. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 02:24:27 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Worthless dealers Welcome Jo, finally. Any Honda dealer should honor the warranty. What's the dealer's name so he can be avoided at all costs. Sounds like a disaster. Makes me sick to hear what some jerk is doing to a PC. I would start pulling very hard on Honda's chain about this whole situation before the dealer has Honda believing the customer has actually caused the damage. --------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us Sent: Friday, June 14, 1996 5:31 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Worthless dealers On 6/14/96, Jason wrote: >Continuing, he keeps taking his bike to one dealer for warranty service >and I think they're responsible for most of his problems. They say that >the thermostat and thermal sensor were trashed when he ran over something >that cracked his water pump. He believed them until I pointed out that >the thermostat is under the right front fairing, while the water pump is >about behind the kickstand. >Now he's gone back to them and they have incorrectly installed the >plastic on the bike. The tabs are all hanging out and the panels are >covered with grime and oil. I just can't believe this, but he keeps >taking the bike back because it's all under warranty so he's not paying a >dime. >Anyone else been to a dealer this horrible? >- J< Okay, this is sort of a test for me, too. Maybe this time I will have a voice and then watch out all! No more lurking thanks to Jason :-) I have had nothing but good service at my dealer...I have bought both my PC and my new truck at the same place so they all know me by my first name. It sounds like this guy needs to find another place...won't another dealership honor his warranty? Jo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 01:53:48 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Mike Hanus" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: New Member Introduction Welcome, Mike. You'll enjoy this list. You guys should swap brest pads. That one part# has to be bull. Love your rrracer rrred and black. Good move on the optional windshield, it would have melted your dash. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Mike Hanus Sent: Friday, June 14, 1996 4:34 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Member Introduction Folks, I've recently purchased a PC800, joined the pc800 mailing list & would like to introduce myself: Name: Mike Hanus Location: St. Charles, IL Email: julio49@ix.netcom.com PC Model Year: 96 Bought New Modifications: Passenger backrest The PC800 is my first motorcycle after an 18 year absence (took some time off to get married, raise a family, etc.). Needless to say, I was quite surprised at the advances in technology & PRICES. The PC800 seemed like a good compromise between a "crotch rocket" & the Goldwing. So far I haven't been disappointed. I've seen the mail go back & forth concerning the backrest - It's interesting that Rick Fisher got a black one & his seat is grey; I got a grey one & my seat is black! My dealer said they double checked & only one part number applies to the backrest - so if the dealer is telling the truth, maybe it's the "luck of the draw" when they pull it from stock? I also ordered the Hondaline extended winshield & returned it for a refund. It did a good job cutting down on the buffeting & noise, but the clarity was so poor it was like looking through a coke bottle (wavy & distorted). I thought that perhaps I just got a bad one & they could re-order a new one - until I saw a used PC800 at the dealer with the extended winshield & it had the same problem :-( I understand Rifle makes a series of replacement winshields for the PC800. Does anyone have any experience with one? I'm also thinking of replacing the stock seat with the Corbin seat. Does anyone have any words of wisdom on it? Thanks in advance, Mike Hanus ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:35:01 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Poor Dealer Service Jason, Since I live in the Houston area, I would really appreciate knowing which dealer is providing your friend with such terrible service. Is there a local dealer that offers exceptional service? Can't your friend take his '94 to any dealer of his choice for warranty work? Clint ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: CGreenwlt@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Poor Dealer Service From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 15 Jun 1996 00:39:50 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "C" == CGreenwlt writes: C> Jason, Since I live in the Houston area, I would really appreciate C> knowing which dealer is providing your friend with such terrible C> service. Stubb's Southwest, out on 59 by Gessner. C> Is there a local dealer that offers exceptional service? I'm sure there is, but I don't know one off hand. That's part of the problem. C> Can't your friend take his '94 to any dealer of his choice for warranty C> work? He could, but the problem is that once a repair shop breaks something you keep having to go back to them to get it fixed. What other shop will fix somebody else's mistakes for free? The other problem is that he works near there, and bike dealers aren't plentiful in Houston for some reason. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'9312'" Subject: AW: ML2's Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:10:04 +-200 What's this buysiness about Metzelers? Are they better? ---------- Van: 9312 Verzonden: vrijdag 14 juni 1996 17:48 Aan: INTERNET:PC800@HPC.UH.EDU Onderwerp: PC800: ML2's arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25579; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:37:12 -0500 = (CDT) 10:37:10 -0500 KAA25277; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:29:14 -0500 (CDT) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25268 for = ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:29:09 -0500 (CDT) sass165.sandia.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA09238 for = ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:29:29 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:26:03 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: ML2's FYI, Just called Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, the lady said that they DID have ML2's for the rear in stock (I asked twice) and the fronts were due in on 6/21. $119 for the rear (the catalog said $100.95, but she said there was a price increase from the manufacturer). I ordered a Dunlop for $89; the Dunlop on the front has enough life=20 left that I'll replace them both with something else next time. Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:55:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Kathleen Feher Subject: Re: The friendly motorcycle On 14 June, a message read: >Does anyone ever wonder what on earth woman are thinking at times like that? I can >only imagine it is the equivilance of wha happens when I walk over to my dogs and say >"I'm home!" [dogs] Duh! Then I say "I brought you some yummy steak bones!" [dogs] Uh >Duh! wooof. Ouch!!! Let's not sink to the level of "dumb" women comments. After all, some of us were smart enough to buy a PC. ;-) Nuf said, on to more fun stuff. I do love to hear about trips taken and enjoyed. When we are housebound, we can all live vicariously for a while. Kathy Feher KATHF@apci.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:55:41 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Hoot at ya later Well I have my NEW Metzler ML2+ Marathon tyres on and I am going going gone, to the Honda Hoot! See ya'll when I return with my new motorcycle ( I plan to win one at the Hoot) I will probably choose the ST1100, That is if my wife doesn't find out I could choose a Wing! Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 15 Jun 96 22:59:27 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:CGreenwlt@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: RE: Poor Dealer Service if you like to travel a little I know a great service guy in SHERMAN TEXAS.. Honda/Polaris of North Texas, the service guy rides a pc and is a huge supporter of the HSTA.... I went out of my way to have my pc 's first service there (i picked up a 90 with 10k on it rode it to sturgis then rode down to Lake TEXOMA area the to have Dan there service it) Found 2 diff sets of plugs in it....put a KN air filtre in it then tweeked it a bit then lets see that was 2 + years ago.......aint been serviced since......(GRIN) well acutallly have done oil changes regualaaryl...its got 40k+ on it now.........wonder if it's time for plugs????heheheh Rode it to Artic Circle last year.....no problem...cept a battery...jostled around on the contsruction zone.....and fork seals comming home cross canada then had progressive springs put in... well gotta pack for DAVIS W VA for the HSTA rally 23-25... Fireman Joe Beresford Cincijnnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 23:22:18 -0400 To: 73615.1475@compuserve.com, CGreenwlt@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Poor Dealer Service Joe I received the following from KN. I would sure like to have one of their filters on my PC. Can you help? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mayor@motorville.com (Johnnie Burroughs) To: AppleBit@aol.com No applications available yet for Pacific Coast. Check back in a couple of months and hopefully they will have something. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 06:35:57 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Wind blocker? In a message dated 96-06-12 12:02:10 EDT, Dentman711@aol.com writes: >Anyone use one of those things that goes around your neck and attaches to >the helmet liner to eliminate wind noise? >I have a Sonic intercom and the mic is always on so I tend to get noises >from the passanger. Sometimes the wind noise in her helmet is bad enough >that I have to turn my volume off. I was thinking perhaps this collar >thing would help. > > I have one and don't like it. It tends to make you fog up more. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: trip-list@percival.xyz.com Subject: Epic Journey Cross Country Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:58:21 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill Day 1: May 7, 1996 (30 miles) St Helens, Oregon to Portland, Oregon It's time to go. The house is packed, the movers have gone. We actually got most of the stuff we wanted to take on the trip loaded on the bikes (now THAT was a challenge!) At 7:27 p.m. we pulled out of the drive on the first leg of our epic journey, a grand total of 30 miles into Portland to stay with friends. Day 2: May 8, 1996 (560 miles) Portland, Oregon to Twin Falls, Idaho We left Portland at 9:10 of a drizzly morning, taking I-84 east. By the Dalles (90 miles) it had cleared to occasional clouds, and about 67 degrees. Traffic was light. Our first stop was Biggs, about 100 miles later. We decided to make a stop about every 100 miles to rest, and take a little break. Although I think Michael got impatient occasionally, this method seemed to work pretty well. Our next stop was Pendleton, then one at Baker and Boise. We camped overnight at a KOA in Twin Falls. The road surfaces in Oregon were much better than those in Idaho, but we really enjoyed the 75mph speed limits there. Day 3: May 9, 1996 (467 miles) Twin Falls, Idaho to Moab, Utah Frost on the saddles this morning. Brr. Left Twin Falls at 9:30 am. The sky was bright and sunny and the day quickly warmed up. Our first stop was 2 miles north of Snowville, then Provo, Utah, then Price, Utah. Met Colin DeGattis for a beer, then he & Michael went on a 47 mile twisty run. Michael says Colin has animal magnetism (he attracts animals which he then slays with his ST). After leaving Colin we traveled to Moab, Utah, where we got rooms at the Colorado River Inn. Day 4: May 10, 1996 (502 miles) Moab, Utah to Santa Fe, New Mexico Took the morning off to tour Arches National Park. Absolutely gorgeous. Put 50 miles on the bikes just driving around looking at the rock formations. Left Moab at 12 noon to head for Santa Fe. Our first stop was Monticello, then into Colorado on 666 through Cortez and Durango. At Pagosa Springs we waved at my parent's house (since they were traveling the east coast we didn't stop), and continued south on 84 into New Mexico through Chama, Abiquiu, and Espanola to Santa Fe. The weather was warm and sunny. Day 5: May 11, 1996 (0 miles) We loafed in Santa Fe, enjoying Michael's 11 month old nephew Benjamin and his sister-in-law Rosalia's Italian cooking. OK, OK, we enjoyed their company too. I think Michael is disappointed that Benjamin's first word is NOT Ducati, although "vroom vroom" seems to be a good choice for second or third word. You gotta give the guy credit for trying. Day 6: May 12, 1996 (397 miles) Santa Fe, NM to Hugoton, Kansas Left Santa Fe (reluctantly) this morning. We met Steve Lambert at a coffee shop in Santa Fe, then followed him to Chamayo where there's a little Catholic Church and shrine, and over the most excellent High Road to Taos. We had lunch at Michael's Restaurant, which is highly recommended for anyone within 100 miles of Taos (and well worth the drive), then loafed around town and "touristed" until 2:00, when we finally hit the road. We took highway 64 from Taos to Raton, NM, where we met a hitchhiker at a gas stop who used to ride a Harley until he lost a leg in an accident, after which he switched to a Norton for 10 years. Wish we'd had more time to visit with him, it sounded like he'd spent his entire life touring the world. After we left him, we picked up 64/87 to Clayton, NM, 87 to Texline (OK, Michael swears he didn't miss that corner on purpose, but I think he just wanted to make sure we went through Texas). Texas farm road 296 to Boise City Oklahoma, where we got on 56 to Hugoton, Kansas. It was just outside of Hugoton that we had the only negative experience of the whole trip. Michael passed a car, and as I pulled up to go around them, they decided not to let me. I know, the ST can do 140, but... I chickened out and pulled back in behind them. Michael pulled onto the shoulder until they went by, and we putzed along behind them for 30 miles until they finally turned off the road. Sigh. Day 7: May 13, 1996 (703 miles) (!!!) Hugoton, Kansas to St. Louis Missouri After our little experience with the car of ^&*()&*, we decided to call it a day and pulled into this horrible little hotel in Hugoton. At 3:30am we were awakened by the sound of the sky falling, OK, it was only a little thunderstorm, but to us Oregonians... Since the hotel operator had told us when we checked in that they hadn't had rain since last June, we hadn't bothered to take the sleeping bags & tent off the bikes. So, at 3:30am we were running around outside where the sky had just opened up and was in the process of dumping buckets of rain on us when a lucky stroke of lightening knocked out the power, and we were trying to unhook bungies in the dark when it started to hail. Argh! After we'd drug everything inside and tried to cover the bikes we went back to bed. Got up late and loaded the bikes with still soggy stuff and took off. We ate breakfast at a hamburger joint which appeared to be the only thing open in town. We met Paul and Mr. Greentree who admired the bikes and wished us well. Kansas is Flat. After leaving Hugoton, we rode to Great Bend where we ate lunch at the Classic Inn, an Oriental buffet ($4.95) with wonderful people who sat us "where you can see the bikes" and spoiled us rotten (how will we ever deal with Boston now?) Drove back roads to I-35 then I-70. Our route was: 56 to Great Bend, 4 to Linksburg, I-35 to Salina, I-70 to St. Louis. The eastern 1/3 of Kansas and western Missouri is rolling hills, and things are starting to look pretty. Arrived at my brothers house in St. Louis around 11:30pm. A very long day! Day 8: May 14, 1996 (0 miles) Loafed at my brothers house, and enjoyed my nephews (Clark and Connor) and niece (Carly). Michael taught Carly how to walk on the ceiling, which she thought was pretty great. Day 9: May 15, 1996 (457 miles) St. Louis to Jackson, Kentucky Picked up 64 to Mt. Sterling, through Louisville and Lexington; 11 to Clay City, 15 to Mt. Parkway, Mt. Parkway to 15. 15 to Jackson. Starting to get into beautiful country. We've been really lucky with the weather, although it rained yesterday in St. Louis it was clear and warm for travel today. Day 10: May 16, 1996 (434 miles) Jackson Kentucky to Staunton, Virginia Took 15 south to Combs, 80E to 460E to Christiansburg, where we got 81N to Roanoke. Took 220 South to Blue Ridge Parkway, north to 60, 60 to Buena Vista, 81N to Staunton. Weather started out great. The Blue Ridge Parkway is all they said. We just did about 70 miles of it; Michael quickly got bored with the 45mph speed limit which was a great surprise (NOT) I thought it was gorgeous. Went through just before dusk, on a weekday, so the roads were empty of traffic. We saw a total of 6 deer, all of whom were smart enough to keep out of our way. Would like to go back someday, and do the whole stretch with a camera. A bodacious thunderstorm started coming up just as we hit several miles of grooved freeway. Enough is enough. Cut the day short and stayed at an Econo Lodge. Day 11: May 17, 1996 (646 miles) Staunton, Virginia to Chelmsford, Massachusetts Left Staunton in the first rain of our trip. The weather gods took mercy on us, though and smiled again about mid afternoon. We took 81N through West Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. At Scranton, PA we turned to 84E across New York, Connecticut and into Massachusetts. We picked up 90 (Massachusetts Turnpike) to Auburn, 290 to Marlborough, 495 north to Chelmsford, where our cross country trek ended. Driving through Hartford, Connecticut is an experience to be avoided at all costs. This is the only state in the union where they send everyone to Italy to learn how to drive. Enough said. So, to summarize the trip, we put 4,196 miles on the bikes. We were probably the only people who ever rode from Portland, Oregon to Boston, Massachusetts through Texas (don't fall for Michael's posting that we went through Oklahoma Oklahoma; it's not a typo). We met a lot of really great people. Riding 2 almost identical black motorcycles is a sure conversation starter, and I personally only heard "it is a beemer?" once. People were all very friendly, and more than willing to stop and chat. In fact, one fellow apparently pulled off the road and came into the Burger King where we were eating just to chat. After talking frenetically for 15 minutes, he said "I'm sure you have lots of great stories but I don't have time to listen to them, gotta go", hopped into his car and drove off. Go figure. All my fears and apprehensions were unfounded. Other than the suicidal drivers in Connecticut, and the car of blankety blanks in Kansas, everyone was great. When people found out where we were going, they were all very supportive, and anyone who had ever been to the east coast had places to recommend for us to visit. I kept a list, and we'll certainly try to see most of them while we're here. A few comments on the east coast (and Boston area in particular). The road surfaces are, to put it mildly, attrocious. On Memorial Day I took the bike out for a short spin (200 miles), just exploring the area. I ended up on hwy 62. As I bumped along, I saw a road sign "Rough Road Ahead". OK, I already knew that! Then, about 5 miles further, another sign, "Wicked Rough Road Ahead" (and they were right, it took me 45 minutes to go the 13 miles to the next turn off where I could pick up another road that wasn't so bad). The mosquitoes are known to carry off pets and small children. The people are really friendly, once you force yourself on them. Until then, you're totally invisible. Speaking of invisible, only about 1 out of 5 people on motorcycles will wave back. Sigh. However, the scenery is great, and actually visiting all the places I read about in my US History Classes is fun. I haven't spent any time on the east coast before, and am really enjoying it. The people we've met are really friendly. I'm looking forward to meeting more people and making friends here. -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percival.xyz.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Jun 96 22:18:01 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: unsubscribe ok gang help... I tried sending a mesge to majordome and unsubscribe but it came back to me couldn't deliver or something.... would someone get me off the server I am going on the road for 30 days and don't wanna miss work email as I have been... UNSUBSCRIBE thanks I'll BE BACK!!! Fireman JOe ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:26:02 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: rain/Rifles So, Dave reports from 1 hr north of Sacramento--- Anyone else have problems with the Rifle +2 in the rain??? Any suggestions? -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Jun 96 03:16:23 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: Light switch I just had an interetsing thing happen, my HI/LO switch seems to not wanna work...switch up to HI and my headlight goes out.... anyone know of a quick cheap fix??? I am just getting ready to go on a 30 day ride..... I am gonna by tire/oil/whatever while on road....but would hate to try strating out with no headliht.. Fireman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: lawyer@pipeline.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:31:18 -0400 To: <73615.1475@compuserve.com>, PC800 Listerve Cc: lawyer@usa.pipeline.com Subject: Re: Light switch On Mon, Jun 17, 1996 3:16:23 AM, Joe Beresford wrote: >I just had an interetsing thing happen, my HI/LO switch seems to not wanna >work...switch up to HI and my headlight goes out.... >anyone know of a quick cheap fix??? I am just getting ready to go on a 30 day >ride..... >I am gonna by tire/oil/whatever while on road....but would hate to try strating >out with no headliht.. Assuming it still works on low, it sounds like your "high" filament simply burned out. You may need a new bulb. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:02:40 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Found PC My friend found and purchase a 94 PC with 600 miles on it. He now has a 1994 BMW R100RT mint condition for sale including the luggage and top box. 5000 miles. Around$ 8900. If you know of anyone looking for one please let me know. Another idea of what PC stands for " PERFECT CYCLE". Thanks Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:01:55 -0400 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Found PC How much did he pay for the PC and where does he live...??? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:00:38 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles What do you mean "problems"? You know we want to help, but, we need DETAILS!!! Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:01:37 -0400 To: 73615.1475@compuserve.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Light switch I think Bryce had this problem and said he fixed it with spray contact cleaner or WD 40. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:02:07 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: rain/Rifles Sorry, I was a bit fried when I posted... I appears that rain does not blow off the +2 windshield. Dave thinks maybe the standard 20" would be better? He got caught in rain/wind on I-5 North of Sacramento, and aouldn't see through the darn thing. Maybe some "Rain-x?" GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > What do you mean "problems"? > > You know we want to help, but, we need DETAILS!!! > > Z -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:15:43 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles DON'T DO RAIN-EX!!!!!! I remember a post concerning the application of aformentioned product and disaster resulted. I believe there were lovely "rainbow" circles after the application. I have the same "problem" with my 4+ Rifle. I thought of Rain-Ex, but after recalling the post, I think we need more input (lab mice?) or another tactic. What would you like to try? Perhaps a call to Rifle would yield some ideas? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:30:39 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Worthless Dealers I don't know if this means a dealer is worthless, but it gives me pause when the Parts Kid says, "Pacific Coast... that's a Honda, right?". Bob C. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:55:42 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Beware of electric gates! Hi all, I had this dreadful experience yesterday... My wife works at the seismology department of the Royal Dutch Metereological Institute and had to do some weekend duty. Since I have the PC she suggests to take the PC to go there when the weather is nice. (This is the first bike that makes her do so :) So off we went. At the Institute they recently installed a new gate. This gate is opened and closed electrically. It opened nicely when my wife entered her PIN code. No problem sofar. On the way out the gate opens when a vehicule is sensed using some kind of magnetic sensor. Obviously the PC did not have enough metal to be detected: the gate remained closed. To make sure bicycles can go out there is a little button that opens the gate just enough to let them go out. I tried that, the opening was just big enough. Manouvering my way through the gate it suddenly started to close again. A brief moment I had this vision of my PC being cut in two parts... The gate stops if it 'feels' pressure but there's no way pressing it sitting on a bike. You just get pushed over. Luckily my wife was able to jump of the bike and manually tried to stop the gate. And it did... So... damage report: left mirror and right front protection plastic part scratched and missing some paint. And a severe type of gate-phobia. I think those guys designing electric gates don't drive motorcycles. May their designs get ripped to little pieces between one of their own gates. Regards, Hans Looman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 08:04:17 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gaye's report Thanks for the report Gaye! Sounds like you had some great times and it was fun reading about them. Take care, Erin in Mountain View, CA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Light switch Joe, why do you think it is your hi-low switch? Sounds to me as if your hi beam filament is kaput! - which means a new headlight, not a switch. On 17 Jun 1996, Joe Beresford wrote: > I just had an interetsing thing happen, my HI/LO switch seems to not wanna > work...switch up to HI and my headlight goes out.... > anyone know of a quick cheap fix??? I am just getting ready to go on a 30 day > ride..... > I am gonna by tire/oil/whatever while on road....but would hate to try strating > out with no headliht.. > > Fireman > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 08:09:33 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Steve Gross Subject: Re[2]: rain/Rifles We use Pledge on our windshields. Rain beads up and runs right off. Wanda Bailie 1994 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: rain/Rifles Author: Steve Gross at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/17/96 7:09 AM Sorry, I was a bit fried when I posted... I appears that rain does not blow off the +2 windshield. Dave thinks maybe the standard 20" would be better? He got caught in rain/wind on I-5 North of Sacramento, and aouldn't see through the darn thing. Maybe some "Rain-x?" GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > What do you mean "problems"? > > You know we want to help, but, we need DETAILS!!! > > Z -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Beware of electric gates! You know Hans, we have one of those gates at our house and I found out the hard way also that it doesn't recognize large bodies of plastic. Fortunately I never got crushed (or even close to it) because it's very slow at opening and closing. Now I always bring the remote control with me so I can open the entrance gate in case the exit gate doesn't let me out. But you're right, those designers just don't consider motorcycles. They're probably the same people who design the switch that trips the traffic lights to make them go green. I don't know anyone who hasn't gotten stuck at a left turn lane wondering if he'll get a ticket this time for blowing the red light. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None CCF Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Hans Looman wrote: > Hi all, > > I had this dreadful experience yesterday... > > My wife works at the seismology department of the Royal Dutch Metereological > Institute > and had to do some weekend duty. Since I have the PC she suggests to take the > PC to go there when the weather is nice. > (This is the first bike that makes her do so :) > So off we went. At the Institute they recently installed a new gate. > This gate is opened and closed electrically. > It opened nicely when my wife entered her PIN code. No problem sofar. > > On the way out the gate opens when a vehicule is sensed using some kind > of magnetic sensor. Obviously the PC did not have enough metal to be detected: > the gate remained closed. To make sure bicycles can go out there is a little > button that opens the gate just enough to let them go out. > I tried that, the opening was just big enough. > Manouvering my way through the gate it suddenly started to close again. > > A brief moment I had this vision of my PC being cut in two parts... > > The gate stops if it 'feels' pressure but there's no way pressing it sitting > on a bike. You just get pushed over. Luckily my wife was able to jump of the > bike and manually tried to stop the gate. And it did... > So... damage report: left mirror and right front protection plastic part > scratched and missing some paint. And a severe type of gate-phobia. > > I think those guys designing electric gates don't drive motorcycles. > May their designs get ripped to little pieces between one of their own gates. > > Regards, > > Hans Looman > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 08:23:44 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Johan Lai Subject: Re[2]: Beware of electric gates! Out here in Oregon those trip switches for the street lights have a diamond tar outline on the street. I have found if I stop with my engine right over that area it will trip the switch. If you don't have any markings on the street to indicate where the trip switch is located you/we haven't got a prayer, except to pray we don't get that ticket for running it red. Wanda Bailie 1995 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Beware of electric gates! Author: Johan Lai at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/17/96 8:18 AM You know Hans, we have one of those gates at our house and I found out the hard way also that it doesn't recognize large bodies of plastic. Fortunately I never got crushed (or even close to it) because it's very slow at opening and closing. Now I always bring the remote control with me so I can open the entrance gate in case the exit gate doesn't let me out. But you're right, those designers just don't consider motorcycles. They're probably the same people who design the switch that trips the traffic lights to make them go green. I don't know anyone who hasn't gotten stuck at a left turn lane wondering if he'll get a ticket this time for blowing the red light. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None CCF Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Hans Looman wrote: > Hi all, > > I had this dreadful experience yesterday... > > My wife works at the seismology department of the Royal Dutch Metereological > Institute > and had to do some weekend duty. Since I have the PC she suggests to take the > PC to go there when the weather is nice. > (This is the first bike that makes her do so :) > So off we went. At the Institute they recently installed a new gate. > This gate is opened and closed electrically. > It opened nicely when my wife entered her PIN code. No problem sofar. > > On the way out the gate opens when a vehicule is sensed using some kind > of magnetic sensor. Obviously the PC did not have enough metal to be detected: > the gate remained closed. To make sure bicycles can go out there is a little > button that opens the gate just enough to let them go out. > I tried that, the opening was just big enough. > Manouvering my way through the gate it suddenly started to close again. > > A brief moment I had this vision of my PC being cut in two parts... > > The gate stops if it 'feels' pressure but there's no way pressing it sitting > on a bike. You just get pushed over. Luckily my wife was able to jump of the > bike and manually tried to stop the gate. And it did... > So... damage report: left mirror and right front protection plastic part > scratched and missing some paint. And a severe type of gate-phobia. > > I think those guys designing electric gates don't drive motorcycles. > May their designs get ripped to little pieces between one of their own gates. > > Regards, > > Hans Looman > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:51:32 -0400 To: JeffHO@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles How does the windshield respond in the rain? Does the water hit the shield and then get instantly blown off? I've never used Rain-Ex on my car so I don't know what it's like. Thanks, Z In a message dated 96-06-17 11:14:11 EDT, you write: << clean my Rifle shield with Saeng's Can-Do cleaner, which contains carnauba wax. I have no complaints about how it performs in the rain. On another Rifle note, mine has developed annoying cracks from the outside screws--about 3 or four inches long. Juan, I read your warning and was careful not to overtighten the darn things--only used my bare hands. How many folks have had this problem? Think I should ask Rifle for a new shield? >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:01:30 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: rain/Rifles GuntherSki wrote: >DON'T DO RAIN-EX!!!!!! Well, I did, and I was pretty happy with the results- didn't see any rainbows (you say you saw rainbows after driving in the rain? :-) It beaded the rain nicely and the bugs were easy to remove too. I liked it so much that I did the rear-view mirrors too. But the second time I applied it, I had splotches and streaks and I was very unhappy. And winter came, and it was in the trunk and the bottle froze and broke, and I was so unhappy with the second application that I didn't want to buy another expensive bottle, so I removed it all with Novus polish- probably I could have re-applied at that point and it would have been OK. With the screen polished with Novus it beads pretty well anyway. But- I have one trunk bucket that will be Rain-Ex'd forever. -dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800 Listerve'" Subject: RE: Light switch Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:34:09 -0700 I had both the headlight bulb AND the switch act up on me during my last big trip. Irritating to say the least. Doggone scary when you have no light on a dark mountain road. I'd check both as neither takes much time and effort. Take the handlebar covers off and pull the switch out. Using a small piece of wire you can "test" the lighting system. The plug on the switch has 3 leads. The center post is the "hot" while the others are low and high beams. Use the wire to connect the center post with the others and watch the headlight for action. This should tell you fairly quickly what is the cause of the problem - the switch of the light. The headlight switch has several holes in it that allow you to observe the contact and is easy to spray. Mine makes a definite firm click now that it's been cleaned out. Think I might do the other switches next time I have the handlebars apart. -bryceu > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:56:04 -0400 To: Windlet@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Honda PC Club Hi Joe, I can put you on the mailing list web page but you need to send me info about yourself like name, address, phone, ...... To subscribe to the mailing list, send a message to pc800@hpc.uh.edu with a subject of SUBSCRIBE and a text body of SUBSCRIBE then you will begin to receive the mail from the other memebers Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:07:47 -0400 To: ElekTek2@aol.com, DanaMcL@aol.com, ArtKnight@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Funny News While the following has nothing to do with bikes, I thought everyone might get a chuckle..... ON THE LEGAL FRONT: Bingo-Orgasm Lawsuit Dismissed MILWAUKEE -- According to the New Haven Register of Apr. 4, a judge dismissed the lawsuit of Mary Verdev, a 73-year-old woman who claimed to have suffered about $90,000 worth of damages when, in 1990, the bingo board at a Catholic Church fell on top of her. Aside from any immediate physical injuries, Ms. Verdev's complaint was that, after the bingo-board incident, she was attracted to women. This apparently had not been the case before the incident. In addition, she claimed that after the bingo board fell on her she would have "spontaneous" orgasms, presumably with little or no provocation from women or men. The results of her bingo playing that evening were not reported. And the problem here would be.......????? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 15:41:30 -0600 Subject: Corbin seat To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I'm new to the list so here are my facts: Name: Doug Marlow Location: Chelmsford, MA Email: dougm@an.hp.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1994 Bought Used/New: used, bought April '96 Modifications made to bike: came with Corbin seat with backrest I have a problem with the Corbin seat: I've ridden my PC about 1,700 miles. I like the seat's firmness and width for comfort but I am not happy with the ergonomics. I'm thinking of going back to the standard seat. The issue is the heights of the front and back seats. I am 5' 11" and don't need the lower front seat position. My wife is 5' 8" and doesn't like sitting up so high in the wind. We both don't like the way the seat puts her so high and far back. We like a more "intimate" riding position. She likes to feel a part of the bike with me, not like a back seat passenger. The height difference between front and rear seats is less with the stock seat. Is there someone out there who would like to do one of the following: - sell me a standard seat cheap - meet me somewhere so I could try a standard seat, they could ride my bike with the Corbin, and, if we covet each others seats, we could work out a deal - comment on their relevant experience with a passenger on the standard seat Thanks, Doug Marlow W (508)659-3894 H (508)256-3594 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Jun 96 20:56:54 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:GuntherSki@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Light switch i was thinking bout tryin just to shoot a little wd40 around the thing..I hate having to disassembel plastic.....hell at IGA's checkout lane last night the SUN newspaper frontcover said that wd-40 cures arthritis....and good for aches an pains just a little shot on the old shoulder and they feel great!!!... HUMMMMMMMM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: PC800 Listerve Subject: Auxilliary Gas Tank I have a neighbor who is the proud owner of a PC800. He is not connected but asked me to look into auxilliary fuel tanks. Does anyone of a vendor that sells auxilliary tanks for the PC or a replacement tank that is larger than 3.5 gallons. Or maybe an auxilliary tank that fits somwhere int he fairing or the trunk. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, morris@lamp0.arl.mil, http://www.glue.umd.edu/~morris/ MSB, PFD, WTD, ARL <-- Obviously a Government Employee Kawasaki GPz1100 (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:56:34 +0000 From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tire Pressure Hello guys (and galls), I'm leaving on my first long trip on our wonderful machine in the morning. I'm going to Dallas from Flagstaff, Hey are any of you guys on the way? I would like to stop and meet some of my fellow PC owners. Let me know by morning (Tuesday, June 18th). Anyway the main reason for my post is to ask you guys what is the correct tire pressure on the Dunlop "original" tires? both of mine are at 25psi right now. What should they be? Please respond quickly. Thanks guys! -- Alexander D. Gray Texas Tech University - Southern Methodist University P.O.Box 2013 Flagstaff, Arizona 86003-2013 95 Honda PC800 HSTA #6862 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:49:17 -0500 (CDT) To: GuntherSki@aol.com From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Funny News Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I live near Milwaukee and can verify the authenticity of Todd's remarks. Seems to me that the Bingo halls have been doing a "bang up" business-especially seen are elderly women carrying bolt cutters to assist in the demo of the new bingo sign.:-) Bob >While the following has nothing to do with bikes, I thought everyone might >get a chuckle..... > > > >ON THE LEGAL FRONT: >Bingo-Orgasm Lawsuit Dismissed > >MILWAUKEE -- According to the New Haven Register of Apr. 4, a judge dismissed >the lawsuit of Mary Verdev, a 73-year-old woman who claimed to have suffered >about $90,000 worth of damages when, in 1990, the bingo board at a Catholic >Church fell on top of her. Aside from any immediate physical injuries, Ms. >Verdev's complaint was that, after the bingo-board incident, she was >attracted to women. This apparently had not been the case before the >incident. In addition, she claimed that after the bingo board fell on her she >would have "spontaneous" orgasms, presumably with little or no provocation >from women or men. > >The results of her bingo playing that evening were not reported. > >And the problem here would be.......????? > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Jun 96 23:46:31 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: light switch--FIXEeeD Hye, gang, and thanks BRYCE! I just fixed my light switch, I had noticed to that when I went to change radio controls a little downward pressure on the palastic made the light flicker too!!! I popped the plastic of popped the switch out, and drowned it with some 711 andwd-40 (while I was at it I hit the other switches/shocks/moving parts too)... the thick dirt came oooxing out, I reckons, the contacts were more of the problem too...a little wire bristle and jiggle the harness make sure it wasn't kinked and ...whalaa.. I can see....now I feel like puttting that brighter bulb in thta I bought for it right after buying the bike..... I also noticed the kill/run switch looks identical......wonder if this could be used in a pinch to substitute for the hi/lo by just reversivng the route of the respective wiring harness????? anythoughts... I have seen a few folks put in a on/off switch too but wasnt sure how to accomplish that....there's times i think it would be nice to just have the headliht off...(ie engine off,key on)...... who out there has changed there bulb??? how hard is it??? I am unsubcribed to the list now so individual response is necessary....if your a HSTA'r I'll see ya next week!!!end... Fireman Joe Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:57:23 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: its DAVE/Corbin/RainRifle 1st off...those of you with corbins, IMMEDIATLY send email to: with 'Pacific Coast redesign' in the SUBJECT of the message. They'll be working on the seat all this week and need INPUT as to what/where the problem areas are. They are a great bunch of people, and the factory is amazing. I walked in and Mike Corbin was working on the seat for his new bumblebee Valkryie. :>) Since I get a free seat out of the deal, I almost got a leather one (they offered) but instead, I opted for all black basketweave with the binding to match the bottom silver of the pc (as opposed to the Pearl white). should be pretty. I fly back down this coming friday and pick her up saturday, then drive back up the coast for 4 days. whee drip down sucked. 15 minutes out of seattle, the bike died. same old electrical shit. Needles to say.. I was pissed. I didn't take it back to Lake City Honda because I don't think Tom works on saturday, and he has failed to find a problem on 3 different occasions. went to Univerity Honda downtown (cause I was close, and thats where the last battery came from). After an hour of troubleshooting, he found that one side of the voltage regulator was not outputing anything. this would account for the 3 month gradual discharge of the battery. Stator checked out fine. now...since this is NOT a stock part, and I was packed and ready to ride to California, the took a regulator off on of the new PC's on the shop floor!!!! They charged me $163 for the part, $85 for 1.5hrs labor, and a $25 fee for them to get a replacement part for the floor PC FedEx...Total was just under $300...what a way to start a vacation. Bad move # 1 was not to just abandon the 101 idea and head down 5. Steve and I headed south to Longview, west on 4 to 101 then south abouth half way down the oregon coast. Lost lots of valuable time. Spend the night, and got up a 6am on Sunday morning, heading to Corvalis, the south on 1-5. (Special thanks to Bryce for the tips on the PowerBars, Gatorade, and especially the backsupport brace thingy) anyway. I drove like nuts till 9pm and ended up 1hr north of Sacramento. Horrendus winds by Mt Shasta. Rain not beading up on the new Rifle. (will try the Pledge trick this comming week). Left Williams, CA at 6am Monday morning and pulled into Corbin at noon. Total miles on the bike_ 1173. I need a nap -- Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:06:04 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Beware of electric gates! OK, ok, ok, that's my cue, I can tell *my* gate story. I live in Halifax, and we have a twin city across a medium-sized harbour, Dartmouth. The two are connected by a couple of mile-long suspension bridges. About ten years ago I was living in Halifax and working in Dartmouth when the Bridge Commission decided that instead of chasing people who run the lights at the toll both, to just put in electric gates so they couldn't. Fine. When you dropped in your token, the arm went up, and through you went. I was on my Honda Elite 125, wearing my open face helmet- this was just before I bought the H*l*x. The motorist in front of me had spent some time searching for his token, so I had mine ready to toss as soon as he got through the gate. In I tossed, and although the arm was still up from the previous vehicle I was sure that it would stay up when it detected my token. As I popped the throttle open on the tiny engine I saw the arm quiver and begin to descend. "Fine," I thought, "as soon as the coin registers it will reverse direction." As arm and scooter began to converge I realized that nothing of the sort would happen. I jammed on the brakes and came to a stop. Right under the arm. Wham. The impact on my helmet really was quite minimal compared to the next few steps, when the arm slid down the front of the helmet and belted me on the nose. Ow. I saw tiny stars in front of me as to my side, the motor finished its downward cycle, detected another token, and acted accordingly. Up went the arm. Smack. That annoying texture of grated dental enamel filled my mouth as the arm chopped a notch out of my chin, and it revisited my nose on the way up just for effect. The token booth guards came out of their toll houses long enough to determine that I would not block traffic, and went back to their regular duties of animatedly chatting on the phone and filling out crossword puzzles. I looked down in dismay as a stream of blood from my chin and nose tricked down my nylon jacket onto the seat. A few weeks later, the gates were all removed. Less, I suspect, because of my incident than something more like a lawsuit from the driver of a car whose paintjob cost several years' worth of run tolls. Lesson learned: ^GH&^Y~~~ NO CARRIER Obligatory PC800 Content: On Sunday, I was in a hurry to get to a Father's Day Brunch, and I left the trunk ajar when I went into the newsstand to buy a card. On the way out, I absentmindedly tossed my keys into my satchel, lifted the trunk open, and tossed it in, and slammed it. Uh oh. So, for the first time, I used the keyless trunk-open technique. It's pretty easy to do, and makes security of the trunk to anyone who knows the bike a bit of a joke- it took me about a minute to do on Sunday, could do it again in about ten seconds. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Daniel MacKay cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Beware of electric gates! ummmmm....Dan...could ya send me that technique via private mail...ya know...just incase? Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Daniel MacKay wrote: > OK, ok, ok, that's my cue, I can tell *my* gate story. > > I live in Halifax, and we have a twin city across a medium-sized harbour, > Dartmouth. The two are connected by a couple of mile-long suspension > bridges. About ten years ago I was living in Halifax and working in > Dartmouth when the Bridge Commission decided that instead of chasing people > who run the lights at the toll both, to just put in electric gates so they > couldn't. Fine. When you dropped in your token, the arm went up, and > through you went. > > I was on my Honda Elite 125, wearing my open face helmet- this was just > before I bought the H*l*x. > > The motorist in front of me had spent some time searching for his token, so > I had mine ready to toss as soon as he got through the gate. In I tossed, > and although the arm was still up from the previous vehicle I was sure that > it would stay up when it detected my token. As I popped the throttle open > on the tiny engine I saw the arm quiver and begin to descend. "Fine," I > thought, "as soon as the coin registers it will reverse direction." As arm > and scooter began to converge I realized that nothing of the sort would > happen. I jammed on the brakes and came to a stop. Right under the arm. > > Wham. The impact on my helmet really was quite minimal compared to the > next few steps, when the arm slid down the front of the helmet and belted > me on the nose. Ow. I saw tiny stars in front of me as to my side, the > motor finished its downward cycle, detected another token, and acted > accordingly. Up went the arm. Smack. That annoying texture of grated > dental enamel filled my mouth as the arm chopped a notch out of my chin, > and it revisited my nose on the way up just for effect. > > The token booth guards came out of their toll houses long enough to > determine that I would not block traffic, and went back to their regular > duties of animatedly chatting on the phone and filling out crossword > puzzles. I looked down in dismay as a stream of blood from my chin and > nose tricked down my nylon jacket onto the seat. > > A few weeks later, the gates were all removed. Less, I suspect, because of > my incident than something more like a lawsuit from the driver of a car > whose paintjob cost several years' worth of run tolls. > > Lesson learned: ^GH&^Y~~~ NO CARRIER > > Obligatory PC800 Content: On Sunday, I was in a hurry to get to a Father's > Day Brunch, and I left the trunk ajar when I went into the newsstand to buy > a card. On the way out, I absentmindedly tossed my keys into my satchel, > lifted the trunk open, and tossed it in, and slammed it. Uh oh. > > So, for the first time, I used the keyless trunk-open technique. It's > pretty easy to do, and makes security of the trunk to anyone who knows the > bike a bit of a joke- it took me about a minute to do on Sunday, could do > it again in about ten seconds. -dan > > > -- > Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca > Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:16:42 -0400 To: morris@lamp0.arl.army.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank I'm glad this wasn't posted on Rec.Moto or you would be in big trouble.... I've never heard of anything of the sort. Hell, we can't even get more that 2 brands of TIRES for the damn bike. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:13:49 -0400 To: DOUG_MARLOW@hp-waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin seat Hi Doug, I gathered from your post that you don't have an extra windshield? Most of us have ordered the Rifle windshield, the 2+ version should be good for you (given your height), and that should address the wind problem. I'm adding you to the Mailing List List which is at www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening by looking there you can find other mailing list folk who live in your 'hood. Have fun, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:21:08 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: its DAVE/Corbin/RainRifle YIKES..... what a ride keep us posted..... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:18:28 -0400 To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Pressure WAY LOW on the air pressure..... 32psi front, 32 in the back unless you're carrying more than 250 lbs. (you included) in which case up it to 42 psi. also, check the Mail List page for folks who live on the route your going.... Have a nice trip... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:30:31 -0500 From: JOE STEVE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New list reader My name Joe Steve and I have recently subscribed to this list. Address : jrs@wordtech.com Location : Kansas City, KS I do not own a PC, I ride a Harley Davidson Sportster. I am contemplating the purchase of a bike with hard saddlebags and a windshield, thus possibly a PC. So I have subscibed to learn more about the bike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Pressure 33 psi, front and rear, solo - light load. 33 psi front, 41 rear, w/passenger. Somewhere in between for loaded trunk, camping gear, etc. This assumes that driver weighs 150-180. On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Alexander D. Gray wrote: > Hello guys (and galls), I'm leaving on my first long trip on our > wonderful machine in the morning. I'm going to Dallas from Flagstaff, > Hey are any of you guys on the way? I would like to stop and meet some > of my fellow PC owners. Let me know by morning (Tuesday, June 18th). > > Anyway the main reason for my post is to ask you guys what is the > correct tire pressure on the Dunlop "original" tires? both of mine are > at 25psi right now. What should they be? > > Please respond quickly. > > Thanks guys! > -- > Alexander D. Gray > Texas Tech University - Southern Methodist University > P.O.Box 2013 Flagstaff, Arizona 86003-2013 > 95 Honda PC800 HSTA #6862 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:07:02 -0400 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Engine Oil In the latest issue of "Consumer Reports" (JULY 1996) there is a report on different motor oils. " Consumer Reports" tested 75 New York Taxi Cabs and found "the brands didn't matter much as long as the oil carried the industry's starburst symbol.....One distinction: According to the laboratory tests, Mobil I and Pennzoil Performas synthetics flow exceptional easily at low temperatures...They also had the highest viscosity under high-temperature, high stress conditions..." This report may not totally applicable to our bikes, but high temperature, high stress conditions could describe 800 CC engine running at a continued 5,000 rpm's, or going through varied temperature changes from stop light to stop light? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:23:16 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Keyless entry and oil... Hey... Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? In an emergency that would be nice to know, but it would also be nice to know just in case it ever happens to me! It isn't a pleasant idea that someone could break into my PC very easily. About the Mobil 1 situation...many Goldwing owners run it in their bikes. Tests have proven that Mobil 1 will protect a motorcycle just fine, as will Castrol GTX (the same make up as the basic Honda oil). Motorcycle dealers will tell you that the motorcycle oils are designed for a special use, and to never use automobile oils. I guess that it is all a matter of opinion, since plenty of people are using Mobil 1 or Castrol GTX without problems. The only problem with Mobil 1 is that if you have an old motorcycle (which none of us do), the oil can find its way through seals and slightly leak more easily. That was the case on a 79 Yamaha 650 I owned. No leakage with normal cycle oil, an occasional drip with Mobil 1. And, of course, the other difference is price. Mobil 1 costs about equal to the Honda oils. Castrol, on the other hand, is much cheaper (bought some at Target the other day for about 89 cents a quart). L8r, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Jun 1996 15:59:56 -0500 Lines: 9 >>>>> "C" == ChrisTUBA writes: C> Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without C> your keys? Oh, jeez. It's not like it's a big secret. The way I've used: pull back the front left side of the seat. The rest is absolutely obvious. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: morris@lamp0.arl.army.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Jun 1996 15:55:09 -0500 Lines: 23 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> I've never heard of anything of the sort. Hell, we can't even get more G> that 2 brands of TIRES for the damn bike. Well, Ron Major has one for the ST1100, so you never know. (As if an ST needs more gas...) Now, how would it work? Well, two extra lines from the existing tank, to the top and bottom of the new tank. The bottom of the new tank would have to lie above the bottom of the existing one, and the top of the new one below the top of the existing one. Now, where would you put it? I don't know; you could take up space in the trunk, but the restrictions on where it could go would waste a lot of space. (You can get around those restrictions by putting in an auxiliary fuel pump.) Ron's ST tank goes in the tail section, between the rears of the panniers, and physically sticks out of the back of the bike. I think he gives you a new license-plate mount. (He'd better for $800.) It's definitely doable, but I can't see anyone doing it because it would be such a pain in the ass. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:45:33 Subject: Re: rain/Rifles From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) That's what I'm talking about. Someone else mentioned Pledge. I think I'm going to call Rifle and see what they say. Z >GuntherSki wrote: >>DON'T DO RAIN-EX!!!!!! > >Well, I did, and I was pretty happy with the results- didn't see any >rainbows (you say you saw rainbows after driving in the rain? :-) It >beaded the rain nicely and the bugs were easy to remove too. I liked it so >much that I did the rear-view mirrors too. > >But the second time I applied it, I had splotches and streaks and I was >very unhappy. And winter came, and it was in the trunk and the bottle >froze and broke, and I was so unhappy with the second application that I >didn't want to buy another expensive bottle, so I removed it all with Novus >polish- probably I could have re-applied at that point and it would have >been OK. With the screen polished with Novus it beads pretty well anyway. > >But- I have one trunk bucket that will be Rain-Ex'd forever. -dan > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:08:48 Subject: Re: Re: Keyless entry and oil... From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hey J, Lighten up... He just didn't know..... Z >>>>>> "C" == ChrisTUBA writes: > >C> Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without >C> your keys? > >Oh, jeez. It's not like it's a big secret. The way I've used: pull back >the front left side of the seat. The rest is absolutely obvious. > > - J< >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:07:52 Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hi Chris, Not that I doubt you but.... how do you know that the Castrol GTX you bought at Target for $1 a quart is the same stuff as Honda Oil at $4 a quart? Z >Hey... > >Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? > In an emergency that would be nice to know, but it would also be nice to >know just in case it ever happens to me! It isn't a pleasant idea that >someone could break into my PC very easily. > >About the Mobil 1 situation...many Goldwing owners run it in their bikes. > Tests have proven that Mobil 1 will protect a motorcycle just fine, as will >Castrol GTX (the same make up as the basic Honda oil). Motorcycle dealers >will tell you that the motorcycle oils are designed for a special use, and to >never use automobile oils. I guess that it is all a matter of opinion, since >plenty of people are using Mobil 1 or Castrol GTX without problems. The only >problem with Mobil 1 is that if you have an old motorcycle (which none of us >do), the oil can find its way through seals and slightly leak more easily. > That was the case on a 79 Yamaha 650 I owned. No leakage with normal cycle >oil, an occasional drip with Mobil 1. > >And, of course, the other difference is price. Mobil 1 costs about equal to >the Honda oils. Castrol, on the other hand, is much cheaper (bought some at >Target the other day for about 89 cents a quart). > >L8r, >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, GuntherSki@aol.com CC: morris@lamp0.arl.army.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:12:23 Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) You know, it never ceases to amaze me.... I can't ride for more than 2 hours (apx 120 miles) until my ass starts to yelp. I generally drive about 75-85 for 90 minutes then rest for 15 - 20 min. Am I just being a sissy? The range of the bike is a bit less than 200 miles. Who the hell can ride that far without stopping? If I'm just being a girly man, let me know so I can stop whining... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com, bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:06:06 Subject: Re: RE: Engine Oil From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) I think that the temp. issue is a non-issue. My bike doesn't seem to get very hot at all. When the temp. does start to climb, the aux. fan kicks in and everything falls back down. However, I would be interested to know what kind of oil pressure we are talking about at 5000+ rpm..... I think the consensus (sp?) here is that Mobil 1 is damn good oil. However, we do have some zealots among us.... >In the latest issue of "Consumer Reports" (JULY 1996) there is a report >on different motor oils. " Consumer Reports" tested 75 New York Taxi >Cabs and found "the brands didn't matter much as long as the oil carried >the industry's starburst symbol.....One distinction: According to the >laboratory tests, Mobil I and Pennzoil Performas synthetics flow >exceptional easily at low temperatures...They also had the highest >viscosity under high-temperature, high stress conditions..." This report >may not totally applicable to our bikes, but high temperature, high >stress conditions could describe 800 CC engine running at a continued >5,000 rpm's, or going through varied temperature changes from stop light >to stop light? > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... Chris and anyone else with a Corbin seat, I had the technique for breaking into your own bike explained to be but after looking over the bike and the explanation I don't think it will work with my corbin seat. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 ChrisTUBA@aol.com wrote: > Hey... > > Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? > In an emergency that would be nice to know, but it would also be nice to > know just in case it ever happens to me! It isn't a pleasant idea that > someone could break into my PC very easily. > > > L8r, > Chris > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: GuntherSki@aol.com, morris@lamp0.arl.army.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank Speaking of pains in the ass...my tank is quite well suited in its duration to about the time that numb butt starts to set in. Besides, it gives me a chance to stop and smell the roses ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On 18 Jun 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: > > G> I've never heard of anything of the sort. Hell, we can't even get more > G> that 2 brands of TIRES for the damn bike. > > Well, Ron Major has one for the ST1100, so you never know. (As if an ST > needs more gas...) > > Now, how would it work? Well, two extra lines from the existing tank, to > the top and bottom of the new tank. The bottom of the new tank would have > to lie above the bottom of the existing one, and the top of the new one > below the top of the existing one. Now, where would you put it? I don't > know; you could take up space in the trunk, but the restrictions on where > it could go would waste a lot of space. (You can get around those > restrictions by putting in an auxiliary fuel pump.) Ron's ST tank goes in > the tail section, between the rears of the panniers, and physically sticks > out of the back of the bike. I think he gives you a new license-plate > mount. (He'd better for $800.) > > It's definitely doable, but I can't see anyone doing it because it would be > such a pain in the ass. > > - J< > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Jun 1996 19:03:24 -0500 Lines: 19 [CC list trimmed back to just the list; it was getting long] >>>>> "TZ" == Todd Zedak writes: TZ> I can't ride for more than 2 hours (apx 120 miles) until my ass starts TZ> to yelp. You need more gluteal exercising. Try strutting your stuff in a mall around teenage girls with your cheeks tightened. Try to get their attention. That should give the old tookus quite a workout. TZ> The range of the bike is a bit less than 200 miles. Who the hell can TZ> ride that far without stopping? I've never had much of a problem. I don't weigh anything, though (58 kg) so I don't put much pressure on my posterior. Unfortunately, I don't have any padding, either... - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: Todd Zedak cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Todd Zedak wrote: > You know, it never ceases to amaze me.... I can't ride for more > than 2 hours (apx 120 miles) until my ass starts to yelp. I > generally drive about 75-85 for 90 minutes then rest for 15 - 20 > min. Am I just being a sissy? The range of the bike is a bit less > than 200 miles. Who the hell can ride that far without stopping? > If I'm just being a girly man, let me know so I can stop whining... Frankly, my wife does better on her PC than that. For me the tank is too small for long rides. I generally take my ZX11 along when I accompany her, and it has a larger range but less comfortable than the PC, so I find that when we have to stop for her to get gas I might as well stop too, so the stops become welcome. I have noted that as I have lost a lot of weight and become more fit that the distance I am able to ride comfortably has increased as well. Stretching exercises before a ride also helps. You are being unfair to women by referring to yourself as a "girly man". MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin saddlebags Date: 18 Jun 96 24:01:54 GMT Check out the bolt-on hard saddlebags under new items at the Corbin homepage (www.corbin.com) for Harleys. Looks as if they are trying to copy something? Like maybe a PC? Jo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Keyless entry and oil... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Jun 1996 19:18:16 -0500 Lines: 22 >>>>> "TZ" == Todd Zedak writes: TZ> Hey J, Lighten up... You misread my intention. I wasn't chiding anyone for not knowing about this, I was expressing disdain at the fact that everyone seems to think this is some big secret. It's not. There's no point in keeping the information confined to private email; security through obscurity doesn't work. Don't ever think your trunk is secure. At least not until you've pop-riveted a sheet metal shroud over the part of the trunk release lever that is visible when you push the edge of the seat back. (Not that I've done this, yet.) But don't feel bad. I used to be a locksmith. People's eyes really bug out when they've locked their keys in and you open their car in no time. Or when you pick their double-master keyed lock on their apartment door. BTW, this has been talked about, ironically almost exactly one year ago. Have a look at and others around that time period. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 22:36:46 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank Todd wrote: >You know, it never ceases to amaze me.... I can't ride for more >than 2 hours (apx 120 miles) until my ass starts to yelp. I would like to have a bigger gas tank too, for a couple of reasons. On those night rides, when you discover the gas station you remembered closed at 8pm, having some spare is nice. But mainly, I like to stop in places other than gas stations. I'd like to make half as many stops at gas stations, and way more stops at waterfalls and fields full of mustard in flower, canyon landscapes and monumental rock formations. I wouldn't miss the perfume of the roses at the Exxon station if ne'er again my septum it crossed. Re: exercise: I too have noticed *waaaay* more comfort on the bike since I've been getting some regular exercise- an hour of aerobic stuff, two or three times a week. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:13:42 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Auxilliary Gas Tank OKOKOKOK, I'll start working out and quit being such a lazy fat ass...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 23:17:44 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: photo shoot On the local news section of the Everett Herald -- A photo of a flooded street in Downtown Everett casued by clogged storm drains and a bunch of rain. Leading the pack through the H20 is --- An '89 PC! I got the pic, & will get it to a scanner for upload. If anyone van ID the rider, we'll give full credit & kudos! -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Jun 96 03:55:40 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Keyless entry, etc. WIth tongue firmly planted in cheek, I observe that rarely do you hear of a PC being stolen. A good security method when you leave your PC... Leave the key in the ignition... Have a sign made up which says...DEMO BIKE...KEY IN INGITION...prop it up against the windscreen. Then...rest in peace...no one will bother your big scooter! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 07:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Barre Bull Cc: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... Slip a screwdriver under the left side of the gas filler/trunk release lever cover at about 10 o'clock and lift up the release lever. The cover is thin enough and flexible enough to allow this without damage. I've done it to my '90. Of course, use as small & thin screwdriver or piece of flat metal as possible. A table knife should be ideal. On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Barre Bull wrote: > Chris and anyone else with a Corbin seat, > > I had the technique for breaking into your own bike explained to be but > after looking over the bike and the explanation I don't think it will > work with my corbin seat. > > Barre' > > Barre' Bull > Network Systems Engineer > Information Systems > Prince George's Community College > > > On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 ChrisTUBA@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey... > > > > Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? > > In an emergency that would be nice to know, but it would also be nice to > > know just in case it ever happens to me! It isn't a pleasant idea that > > someone could break into my PC very easily. > > > > > > L8r, > > Chris > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:34:30 -0500 (CDT) To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... At 03:23 PM 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hey... > >Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? > In an emergency that would be nice to know, Hide an extra key on the bike, (but not in the trunk!!) Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > At 03:23 PM 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Hey... > > > >Could someone e-mail me about the way to get into the PC without your keys? > > In an emergency that would be nice to know, > > Hide an extra key on the bike, (but not in the trunk!!) That's the best suggestion yet! Mine is taped to the inside of the air duct. Richard > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:30:03 -0500 (CDT) To: "Richard A. Hardy" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... >> Hide an extra key on the bike, (but not in the trunk!!) > >That's the best suggestion yet! Mine is taped to the inside of the air >duct. I could tell you where mine is hidden but then I would have to kill you. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... Yeah, Waldo, I understand prisoners hide things there also. On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > > >> Hide an extra key on the bike, (but not in the trunk!!) > > > >That's the best suggestion yet! Mine is taped to the inside of the air > >duct. > > I could tell you where mine is hidden but then I would have to kill you. > > Waldo > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:20:25 -0500 (CDT) To: "Richard A. Hardy" From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Sounds like Waldo may have a key in his "air duct" too:-) Yeah, Waldo, I understand prisoners hide things there also. > >On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > >> >> >> Hide an extra key on the bike, (but not in the trunk!!) >> > >> >That's the best suggestion yet! Mine is taped to the inside of the air >> >duct. >> >> I could tell you where mine is hidden but then I would have to kill you. >> >> Waldo >> >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:52:13 -0500 (CDT) To: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: PC800:Where is Waldo's Key? At 12:20 PM 6/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >Sounds like Waldo may have a key in his "air duct" too:-) > >Yeah, Waldo, I understand prisoners hide things there also. VEEEEEERY FUNNY GUYS. Actually the key is on the bike somewhere. Hey we could have fun with this. Instead of WHERE IS WALDO? We could play WHERE IS WALDO'S KEY? Is this a great group OR WHAT? Take care, The one and only Waldo. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 16:19:29 -1000 From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Re: PC800:Where is Waldo's Key? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >At 12:20 PM 6/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Sounds like Waldo may have a key in his "air duct" too:-) >> >>Yeah, Waldo, I understand prisoners hide things there also. > > >VEEEEEERY FUNNY GUYS. > >Actually the key is on the bike somewhere. Hey we could have fun with this. >Instead of WHERE IS WALDO? We could play WHERE IS WALDO'S KEY? > >Is this a great group OR WHAT? > >Take care, >The one and only Waldo. > Waldo, This game sounds like it might have some potential. What might you propose for the lucky PC'er who correctly identifies the location of the hidden key? I'm sure you can come up with something interesting enough. :-) How many guesses per person? Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Off topic, I know From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 19 Jun 1996 23:40:07 -0500 Lines: 9 Well, it's only one line. I found this in my local classified ads (at http://www.chron.com): `95 HONDA CBR900RR Only 500 miles. Two matching helmets. Too much power for adult owner will stay with Goldwing. Call 977-3771; pg 762-3323. Classic. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:51:31 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Off topic, I know What an idiot, "the seller". didn't the moron ever hear of a test ride? Yikes.... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Off topic, I know From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 Jun 1996 01:30:13 -0500 Lines: 21 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> What an idiot, "the seller". didn't the moron ever hear of a test ride? There's a dealer in the country that will let you test ride a new 900RR? Where? You know, the whole test ride thing always bugged me. I can go test ride just about any car, even expensive sporty ones. Unfortunately opportunities to test ride bikes are extremely rare. I can understand why I wasn't allowed to test ride a PC (never having ridden a motorcycle before) but I've tried to test ride an ST, a VFR and an F2 and the dealers laughed at me, even when they had used stock. I also tried to test the Buell S2, but they wouldn't let me. I wasn't interesting in buying one, I just wanted to try it out. (Buell ships demo bikes to dealers for the express purpose of having them test ridden.) Because of this, I have always offered my PC for test rides to anyone in the vicinity. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:16:24 -0500 From: JOE STEVE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Test rides, or lack thereof I agree with Jason, the lack of test rides for bikes is very irritating. The second bike I ever bought was visually a beautiful thing, but as far as riding goes it really sucked. If I had test ridden the thing, I would have known in advance. Many people buy a bike that is not well suited to them, ride it for a few weeks, and then sell it assuming that all bikes are like the one they owned. A few demo rides before the bike purchase would have helped them understand the difference between different bikes, and they could have bought one that worked for them. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:33:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FYI: BMW Mag A friend loaned me the June issue of BMW Owners News, the monthly rag for the BMW Motorcycle Owners Club of America. Very impressive - well laid out, informative, and great ads from supporting dealers. It has a wonderful classified section that (I think) is free to members. I saw a PC ad in the "Other Brands" section: 1990 Honda Pacific Coast, 29K, exceptional cond., always garaged, tall shield, backrest, inner bag liners. $3750 Charles 614-775-0359 (614 area code is in Ohio I believe, if anyone is interested.) They also had an "Apparel/Gear" section with lots of good deals on second-hand Aerostich, Motowear, Hein Gericke, and BMW gear. Is there a similar publication for Honda owners? Does the Honda Sport Touring Association publish a comprehensive newletter/mag? Clint ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:07:07 -0400 To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: FYI: BMW Mag Yes, the HTSA does publish a newsletter and it has adds in the back. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:16:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Off topic, I know > > There's a dealer in the country that will let you test ride a new 900RR? > Where? > > You know, the whole test ride thing always bugged me. I can go test ride > just about any car, even expensive sporty ones. Unfortunately > opportunities to test ride bikes are extremely rare. San Diego House of Motorcycles is my dealer (Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki), and they do allow test rides. I bought my PC at another dealer, but bring it here for service. Before buying it, I test rode bikes here - including a Gold Wing. All they asked was that I was licensed for motorcycles. This is not a spam for the dealer, but I think they're great. They also give me no hassle when I go in with a mail-order tire for them to install. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H." To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:18:42 GMT+1 Subject: Re: Test rides, or lack thereof On 20 Jun 96 at 8:16, JOE STEVE wrote: > I agree with Jason, the lack of test rides for bikes is very > irritating. The second bike I ever bought was visually a > beautiful thing, but as far as riding goes it really sucked. If I > had test ridden the thing, I would have known in advance. Many > people buy a bike that is not well suited to them, ride it for a few > weeks, and then sell it assuming that all bikes are like the one > they owned. A few demo rides before the bike purchase would have > helped them understand the difference between different bikes, and > they could have bought one that worked for them. Are you serious about this ?! I would *never* buy a a bike without testriding it first, and I mean testing it for at least two hours. Dealers overhere have special licence-plates for that purpose. If everyone would demand a testride before buying and after you have agreed on the price than dealers have no choice.... Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:48:37 -0500 From: JOE STEVE To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Test rides or the lack thereof ----------clipped from a previous email---------- >Are you serious about this ?! I would *never* buy a a bike >without testriding it first, and I mean testing it for at least two >hours. Dealers overhere have special licence-plates for >that purpose. If everyone would demand a testride before >buying and after you have agreed on the price than >dealers have no choice.... > >Rutger --------new material follows---------- Very serious. Here in Kansas City demo rides are allowed only when the manufacturers bring in small fleets of used bikes for one day. Honda usually comes once a year, and Yamaha came once. The dealers never let anyone ride their bikes. The Harley dealers go one step further, and sell bikes without a test ride to people who have never even seen them, and will wait for two years for delivery. I tell you what, if I had more money I would open Japanese bike dealership here. The dealers here also only sell for list price. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:02:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: test rides Here was my system for when I sold my sailboat: test sail after signed contract with 10% deposit; clause in the contract that the buyer could back out if he wasn't happy for any reason with the test sail. A buyer deserves a test of the product, but why should I spend my weekends, or even worse take a vacation day from work, to take people out sailing who had no intention of buying my boat? Any dealer who won't accept that deal doesn't know how to sell bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Windshield Edging Date: 20 Jun 96 17:57:09 GMT Anyone out there that has bought the Saeng windshield edging and didn't like it and would like to sell it, I'm interested. I have a stock shield (not the tall one). Thanks...Jo Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:18:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: hpc.u.edu: host not found) --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: KlassC@aol.com Date: 96-06-20 12:48:20 EDT This is a MIME-encapsulated message --MAA25660.835289322/emout09.mail.aol.com The original message was received at Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:48:41 -0400 from root@localhost If you're not sure of the proper email address for a particular AOL user, try sending mail to "namesearch@aol.com", and they should be able to help you verify or locate the proper address. If you are already an America Online user, you can search for other members in the AOL Member Directory -- please do not send mail to NameSearch. -AOL Postmaster ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- pc800@hpc.u.edu (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 pc800@hpc.u.edu... Host unknown (Name server: hpc.u.edu: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- --MAA25660.835289322/emout09.mail.aol.com pc800@hpc.u.edu; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:48:41 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:48:41 -0400 From: KlassC@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.u.edu Subject: Re: Test rides, or lack thereof When I bought my 95 Vulcan 800 there was no chance of a demo. I got to ride it as the paper work was being finished. And when I bought the 95 PC800 I did not demo it. The dealer was getting it from somewhere else and required a non-refundable $200 deposit. I know this may sound stupid but what could I do? I was living in Laramie, WY at the time and did not have access to a decent dealer. As it was I had to ride 90 miles for the Kawa, and 140 for the PC! I did luck out as both bikes are great. I traded the Kawa for the PC but not because the Kawa was not good. I just wanted the PC. When I went to Americade I was in heaven! I think dealers are hurting themselves. After I demoed tthe VFR at Americade I think that if I have been able to demo a VFR when I bought the PC I would have probably bought one of those as well. As far as used bikes all the dealers were willing to let me ride anything. I wonder though if is the manufatures fault. the Kawa dealer told me that there are tight mialage restriction now. And that after 100 miles it can not be sold as new. I did not believe him then but maybe there is some truth to it. Anyhow, I now feel that I would try to find a place that will let me demo a bike or plan my purchases around Americade so I can take a demo. Chris PS- The Royal Star Sucks!!! --MAA25660.835289322/emout09.mail.aol.com-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:50:10 -0700 To: Jason L Tibbitts III , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Re: Off topic, I know At 01:30 AM 6/20/96 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > [snip] > I can understand why >I wasn't allowed to test ride a PC (never having ridden a motorcycle >before) but I've tried to test ride an ST, a VFR and an F2 and the dealers >laughed at me, even when they had used stock. Not all dealers are such twits. If you're ever in Northern Cal, Cal BMW in Mountain View and Milpitas Honda both do demo rides regularly. Cal BMW also has regular open-houses, where demo rides are one of the main attractions. And the free food..... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: Test rides, or lack thereof Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:13:17 +-200 In fact, I have testridden two PC800's for 1.5 hrs each before I decided = to buy one! Is this lack of willingness on te part of dealers a US = problem? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:05:15 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Test Rides... I generally don't have a ton of trouble with test rides. I always bring a wad of $$$$ and let them see the list of dealers I have with me. They generally get the idea. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:07:06 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thoughts on test rides... Hi gang. I called my favorite dealer out here in Wisconsin (Gohr Power in Waukesha, WI), and asked them about the test ride situation. They don't allow test driving for insurance reasons, and it is understandable why. Another PC owner that I met told me about how he sold his Suzuki 750 when he bought his PC. A guy came and looked at the bike, and promptly test rode it into a wall. My guess is that these accidents happen more often than not (people say they know how to ride a bike, and don't have a clue). In fact, this dealer in Waukesha took every oportunity to warn me to take it easy with my new PC, as it was a new bike and it would take a little getting used to. Sure, most bikes operate about the same, but each has its own personality, torque, breaking style, and so on. I can't imagine what it would be like to drive around a GoldWing tank, and then to try out a CBR. I'd want to take it easy on both of these bikes before truly "testing" them. A five minute test ride wouldn't sell me on a bike, but it could quickly eliminate a few options. Another reason that some dealers might not allow test rides is because some keep their bikes on the salesroom floor in a dry state (no oil, no gas). If that's their policy for new bikes (whether good or bad), they wouldn't be in a condition to let someone just "take the bike out for a spin." As for me, I really like Jason's idea of offering his bike to anyone who cares to test the bike out. It would be great if dealers could keep a list of people who offered their bikes for these services (and I'm sure that the dealers could compensate for this in free labor or a discount on the bike). In this way, people could voluntarily try out new bikes, without involving the dealers, without involving insurance (Unless, of course, the bike gets cracked up). The demand for PCs, while growing, is small enough that most of us could do what Jason does without too much hassle. Either way, the "best of all possible worlds" (reminiscient of Bernstien's Candide, for those of you interested in classical music) would be a situation where you could go into a dealer and try out a Valkyre, GoldWing, PC, ST1100, Shadows, Rebels, CBRs, and so on (if you stick with Honda). But my guess is that most of us that bought our bikes new never had a chance to ride a PC before we bought it, and almost all of us are completely happy with the bike, right? I bought my bike soley on the recommendation of an 81 year old guy who has been riding since 1929. Thank goodness that I didn't listen to the critiques of Cycle World! (I just received the Ian Smith Information summary packet on the PC800) Other magazines haven't been so negative toward the bike, such as Rider and Cycle. L8r, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 21:10:16 -0500 From: "E.Y. MurphEY" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu CC: cnzc78a@prodigy.com Subject: pc 4 sale !!! for sale: very crisp cherry red well groomed and pampered 1990 PC -800 with 9200 mi @ $4800 (a steal!) contact thru e-mail : cnzc78a@ prodigy.com -- E.Y. MurphEY... ey@forum.swarthmore.edu Math Ed. Haverford School District voice:610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 Fax:610-789-1445 '94 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 [lifer] HSTA#6485su HRCA#HM211432 Within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:26:44 -0400 To: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: cnzc78a@prodigy.com Subject: Re: pc 4 sale !!! In a message dated 96-06-20 21:08:41 EDT, ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) writes: >very crisp cherry red well groomed and pampered >1990 PC -800 with 9200 mi @ $4800 (a steal!) EY, What are you getting to replace it? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:26:42 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles In a message dated 96-06-17 13:08:20 EDT, Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) writes: >>DON'T DO RAIN-EX!!!!!! > >Well, I did, and I was pretty happy with the results- didn't see any >rainbows (you say you saw rainbows after driving in the rain? :-) It >beaded the rain nicely and the bugs were easy to remove too. I liked it so >much that I did the rear-view mirrors too. Daniel, There is a reason for this discrepancy. You shouldn't use Rain X on a polycarbonate shield. The Honda shield is polycarbonate the Rifle isn't. Your experience is consistent with the facts. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:46:45 -0400 To: TedJ101@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles But I thought the rest of the message said that the second time he rain-exed it streaked. What is the real deal? What's this poly-carbonate stuff? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 07:39:26 -0600 Subject: 1) where are you, 2) windshields, and 3) test ride a seat To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I would like people to add to their messages, under their name, where they are from. Some of the discussion about differences in attitudes about demo rides would be more meaningful if I knew whether people live in the next town, another state or on another continent. Also it could help me link up with a nearby PC enthusiast. Should I start a discussion of windshields or can someone direct me to the file where its all been said before? What I want to know is: - what's the right height for a Rifle or large Honda PC windshield to cut down buffeting and noise and maintain visibility - which is better, the Rifle or the large Honda shield (I'd be willing to cut down the Honda one to get the best height); by "better" I mean: - which reduces noise and buffeting best - which holds up best - which looks best (I gather the Rifle is acrylic and the Honda shield polycarbonate; poly is harder; what is the experience with scratching, crazing, cracking and clouding of both) - does someone have a Rifle on a bike near me that I can see or try on a test ride? - does someone have a large Honda windshield on a PC near me for the same purpose? Thank you to the people who have responded that they have standard seats to sell me. Is there someone nearby who has a PC with standard seat that my wife and I could try first? Doug Marlow Chelmsford, Massachusetts, USA, North America ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:15:31 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: rain/Rifles GuntherSki wrote: >But I thought the rest of the message said that the second time he rain-exed >it streaked. What is the real deal? What's this poly-carbonate stuff? Quite. Not exactly streaked, but, do you remember the '70s tie-dying technique "batik" ?? it looked like someone had tie-died my windshield in fog/white splotches. The funny thing was how beautifully it worked the first time. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:12:11 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: windshields Cc: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Doug, The polycarbonate is probably perferable for durability but the Honda Tall windshield I own gives a very distorted wavy view. Since I ruined mine with Rainex, I plan to replace it with a Rifle screen in a couple of weeks. The acrylic Rifle screen is much cheaper, comes in more heights, and once you have the base, additional screens for winter vs. summer is cheaper yet. I have also heard the Rifle screen doesn't buffet as much at high speeds. (Small scratches can be buffed out of Plastic/Acrylic but not the Polycarbonate.) Also, I have heard Rainex is safe on the Rifle screen. You may want to check the archives for more info. ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support voice: (609) 722-3777 Lockheed Martin E-mail: rmarks@motown.lmco.com fax: (609) 722-4410 Moorestown, NJ (near Philadelphia, PA.) AMA, HRC ... '89 PC800, '84 Helix (Nancy's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by Post-Office.UH.EDU From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: PC800:Where is Waldo's Key? To: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec), pc800@hpc.uh.edu >>Actually the key is on the bike somewhere. Hey we could have fun with this. >>Instead of WHERE IS WALDO? We could play WHERE IS WALDO'S KEY? >> >>Is this a great group OR WHAT? >> >>Take care, >>The one and only Waldo. >> >Waldo, > >This game sounds like it might have some potential. What might you propose >for the lucky PC'er who correctly identifies the location of the hidden >key? I'm sure you can come up with something interesting enough. :-) How >many guesses per person? > >Aloha, > >Ron How about an all expense payed two day vacation ( excluding everything but room and board) to beautiful downtown Statesboro, GA The winner, as I metioned before, will have to be shot afterwards. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:59:15 -0400 Subject: Re: 1) where are you, 2) windshields, and 3) test ride a seat To: DOUG_MARLOW@hp-waltham-om3.om.hp.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Doug, ?1.... If you will direct your browser to the following.. www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening you will see a disclaimer and a link to MAP from there you will see a list of the members of the mailing list that have sent some bio info about themselves, organized by region, state, city . Feel free to send me your info and I'll ad you to the list. I am 6'2". I replaced the standard windshield with a Rifle +4. This shield is 6 inches taller than the standard shield and works great. Took about 45 minutes to install. Great design. If you wreck the shield, you simply unbolt it and bolt another one. The screen costs about $70-80. If you are shorter, you may want the + 2 screen. Z Chicago, the City of Brotherly Love DNC '67 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Replacing headlight Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:46:10 -0700 I just bought a used '89 PC800 and I am really enjoying it. However, it did not come with an owner's manual or a repair manual, and I haven't been able to locate one yet. I need to replace the headlight bulb (the low beam is out) but I can't figure out how to get the bulb out. Can anybody describe how to remove this bulb? Thank you! David Gordon davidg@microsoft.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Replacing headlight Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:54:04 -0700 Hi David, Behind the bulb there's a think plastic electrical connector. Pull it straight back from the bulb. Next there's a round 3" diam. rubber dust cover with a tab along the lower edge that you just pull off. The tricky part is a retaining wire that holds the bulb in tight. There's a metal tab along the left side of the bulb (looking from the front) that you push in and then up (away from the ground). The wire is like a paper clip that shaped in a half circle. After the clip is out of the way (it can't be removed) the bulb will almost come out easily in your hand. (Roger Prince sez don't drop it in the light!) Put the new one in being careful not to touch the bulb with your hands. There's three metal tabs on the bulb that need to be lined up and if I recall the big one goes up top. I usually look though the front lens of the headlight to line it up. There's a few places on the lens you can get a clear look at what going on. With the bulb in place you have to fuss with the retaining wire, put the dust boot on, and plug the connector back. Done. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Replacing headlight Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:53:14 -0700 Thanks Bryce! That worked perfectly. Now that I've got it out, I feel dumb for two reasons: 1) Somehow it seems like I should have been able to figure that out myself; and 2) Of course it's not a standard automotive bulb, so running to the auto parts store for a replacement is out. Off to the dealer... David >---------- >From: Bryce Ulrich >Sent: Friday, June 21, 1996 3:54 PM >To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' >Subject: RE: Replacing headlight > >Hi David, > >Behind the bulb there's a think plastic electrical connector. Pull it >straight back from the bulb. Next there's a round 3" diam. rubber dust >cover with a tab along the lower edge that you just pull off. > >The tricky part is a retaining wire that holds the bulb in tight. >There's a metal tab along the left side of the bulb (looking from the >front) that you push in and then up (away from the ground). The wire >is >like a paper clip that shaped in a half circle. After the clip is out >of the way (it can't be removed) the bulb will almost come out easily >in >your hand. (Roger Prince sez don't drop it in the light!) Put the new >one in being careful not to touch the bulb with your hands. There's >three metal tabs on the bulb that need to be lined up and if I recall >the big one goes up top. I usually look though the front lens of the >headlight to line it up. There's a few places on the lens you can get >a >clear look at what going on. > > With the bulb in place you have to fuss with the retaining wire, put >the dust boot on, and plug the connector back. Done. > >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" >AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- >> >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 00:47:14 +0600 To: davidg@MICROSOFT.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Replacing headlight Content-Id: <10_56_1_835418834> David, You wrote: >2) Of course it's not a standard >automotive bulb, so running to the auto parts store for a replacement is >out. Off to the dealer... Last time I replaced the lamp, I made this assumption, too, and got it from the Honda dealer. Then a few days later I saw the exact same lamp at Trak Auto (a chain auto parts dealer, if they don't have them in your neck of the woods) and it was considerably cheaper. I don't recall the actual numbers, but maybe a third to half less. So check out the larger car parts places and compare. Maybe some of our members know if this lamp is used in anything other than motorcycles. --James Hyder '89 PC 800 bought new in '91. 24K miles. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 00:57:16 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Keyless entry, etc. Content-Id: <10_56_1_835419436> Hi guys and gals, Of course, the other keyless entry method, if you have your allen wrench and 10mm socket handy, is to pop out the air vents, remove the side covers and the top shelter, and there you go. And you can adjust the throttle or add some gas while you're at it. No, probably not as fast as the other methods described, but presented here for completeness' sake. Once I realized how easy it would be to lock the keys in the trunk (about the third time I tossed my gloves into it) I decided to place a secret key in or on the bike. I got a soft key-hider thingee (that's the technical term) with velcro, found my secret hiding place, and also tucked a $20 bill in there for the unexepected misadventure. Fortunately, I've never needed either precaution. (Really!) --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: "David Gordon" Subject: Re: Replacing headlight Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:35:26 +0200 The H4 bulb is (in Europe) a standard automotive part. Average pricing would be around 7 US$ Ascon ---------- > From: David Gordon > To: 'pc800@hpc.uh.edu' > Subject: Replacing headlight > Date: vrijdag 21 juni 1996 23:46 > > I just bought a used '89 PC800 and I am really enjoying it. However, it > did not come with an owner's manual or a repair manual, and I haven't > been able to locate one yet. I need to replace the headlight bulb (the > low beam is out) but I can't figure out how to get the bulb out. Can > anybody describe how to remove this bulb? > > Thank you! > > David Gordon > davidg@microsoft.com > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Gordon To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Looking for PC800 manuals Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 13:42:58 -0700 Does anyone have an owner's manual and/or repair manual they'd like to sell? My used '89 didn't come with either. Thanks, David Gordon Davidg@microsoft.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 18:23:53 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: QUICK ANSWER NEEDED! RE: RIFLE SHIELDS Content-Id: <13_63_1_835482233> Hi everyone! I need a quick answer, 'cause I've placed an order for a Rifle windshield (black, 22") and can change it until Monday morning. Does anyone have the colormatched shield for the '89 (pearl)? How good a match is it? Is it worth the $40? And does it have the Rifle name plate on the front? I know the black one does, and I don't especially like it. Also, for anyone with the black on an '89: how do you like that mix? How does that textured surface look? Thanks for your (timely) input. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 21:59:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: tall honda windshield I have had both the standard short windshield and the tall Honda one. I test road an used PC800 at the dealer with the tall windshield prior to buying mine from another source. I only drove slow speeds, under 50 and fell in love with it. I searched the want ads at the library for the whole midwest and found my future bike. Drove my truck down to Kansas City , test rode the bike and packed it up. Built my own ramp to use for the truck. Got it home and took it out the next day for an extended trip and almost cried about the wind noise at speed. I could not handle that constant distraction. I traded with somebody on this newsletter and we both were happy with the results. I have never found the windshield to be distored as per the comments I have heard here, only problem is the sun over your back kicking up some reflection off the silver ignition switch. I have a intercom/stereo system installed, I don't know the brand but the guy said he bought it at the dealer for over $500. I really like it , it has plug in ports front and back, plug in for your personal stereo, walkman,CD player is in the left access panel. The helmets have speakers and the plug in. I can only turn the volume up to half way on the stereo and thats at freeway speeds. I look through the windshield, I'm 5 11 1/2, I always have a face shield but flip it up sometimes. I think that the seat preference, windshield, suggestions are fine, but it really comes down to personal preference. I find that I am getting increasingly angy at drivers who ride my tail or drive aggresively around me. I have no intention of being a hood ornimate for some punk cager. I will flip them off and sometimes fight the urge to attack. I get so mad I want to drive up and kick their mirror off on a speed pass. Now I know this is not right and safe and sane, but tell me , do you all ever get these same feelings, just don't act on them?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 10:18:49 -0700 From: MDTurley@wtp.net (MDTurley) Subject: Liablity To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu No test rides is all about Lawyers and liability. Never pay a retainer up front :) The Honda tall windshield sucks. I have a brand new one. It isn't very clear and it is optically very poor. I'll get a rifle soon. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:22:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corban Seat Does the Corban Seat reduce the "Hard Ass Syndrome"? I rode to Omaha last week. My butt still is sore. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:19:01 -0400 From: John Miriello Subject: PC800 For Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To all you PC enthusiasts. This has been a long and difficult decision but the time has come to sell my PC. Between the changed job and family responsibilities, I no longer have time to ride and have to give up the bike (sniff, sob, etc.). So here's what I have: 1. 1995 PC800 (black of course - the BEST color there is for a PC) 2. Purchased new in June 1995 3. 3 years remaining on the Honda extended warranty 4. Mint condition - won't let the wife or kids get near it in the garage 5. Low miles - 400 original (I told you I don't have time to ride anymore) 6. Just had its first service - oil change, etc. 7. Honda PC800 service manual (sorry, but has to stay with the bike - won't sell separately) 8. Had "air-wings" installed by the dealer - really helps with the air flow on a hot summers ride 9. Looking for a fair price - I owe about $6,800 on the loan) 10. I am located on the east coast, about 30 miles north of Philadelphia This is my first post for the bike. I have not even attempted to sell the bike locally feeling I owe it to my fellow PC'ers to give them first shot. If anyone is interested, please E-Mail me here at the PC site. I have never sold a bike this way so I don't know about shipping, pick up, delivery, etc. but I know we can work out something. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:56:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tall honda windshield In a message dated 96-06-22 22:08:31 EDT, SUZIMODLIN@aol.com writes: >I find that I am getting increasingly angy at drivers who ride my tail or >drive aggresively around me. I have no intention of being a hood ornimate >for some punk cager. I will flip them off and sometimes fight the urge to >attack. I get so mad I >want to drive up and kick their mirror off on a speed pass. Now I know this >is not >right and safe and sane, but tell me , do you all ever get these same >feelings, just don't >act on them?? Yes. I think that is a big part of riding motorcycles. When I started riding I simply couldn't believe how agressive some drivers are toward cycles and struggled with my initial response - which was to "win". It was hard for me to let someone tailgate, cut me off, pass on the right, box me in -- you name it -- and let this action go unanswered. I was tempted to pull off the road when tailgated to let the offender pass, and then come roaring back on THEIR tail just to let them know who was really in charge. Of course this is foolishness - especially on a bike because if we would happen to touch bumpers I don't even have one. I remind myself every time I get on my bike that I must be in a frame of mind to let the competition compete if they must, but I will not join in. Let the drivers who must behave like "real men" (be they male or female) win time and again. It's not a game, no matter what some players may think. Mark Wendt MarWendt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:21:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 New Member Hi Joe, Welcome. If you're looking for a smooth, comfortable, agile, and convenient touring/sport touring/commuting V-twin, you're looking in the right direction with the PC. You can check out the web page and use the search engine to look up past traffic on specific topics. Otherwise, just hang out an listen or ask questions. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:42:41 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Aggressive Drivers Mark writes: > Let the drivers who must behave like "real men" (be they male or female) win time >and again. It's not a game, no matter what some players may think. Amen Mark. Staying alive to enjoy riding is most definitely not a game. Good riding skills and an even better set of mental habits and mature attitudes are what is needed. There is no point in trying to "out adolescent" an adolescent, especially when that adolescent is in a massive metal cage that protects them from harm and ensures that we will be injured or killed in any exchange of momentum. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Corban Seat Bernie, Yes it does after the initial 1,000 mile break-in period. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 BernieK469@aol.com wrote: > Does the Corban Seat reduce the "Hard Ass Syndrome"? I rode to Omaha > last week. My butt still is sore. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: MarWendt@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tall honda windshield A trick I've learned to deal with tailgaters is to slow waaaaay down, then lay on the throttle. this usually opens a nice gap and the idiot generally gets the message. Doesn't always work and when it doesn't after 2 or 3 times I get the hell away from them as quick as possible. Around here (metro D.C. area) flipping off someone can get you shot. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 MarWendt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-06-22 22:08:31 EDT, SUZIMODLIN@aol.com writes: > > >I find that I am getting increasingly angy at drivers who ride my tail or > >drive aggresively around me. I have no intention of being a hood ornimate > >for some punk cager. I will flip them off and sometimes fight the urge to > >attack. I get so mad I > >want to drive up and kick their mirror off on a speed pass. Now I know this > >is not > >right and safe and sane, but tell me , do you all ever get these same > >feelings, just don't > >act on them?? > > Yes. I think that is a big part of riding motorcycles. When I started > riding I simply couldn't believe how agressive some drivers are toward cycles > and struggled with my initial response - which was to "win". It was hard for > me to let someone tailgate, cut me off, pass on the right, box me in -- you > name it -- and let this action go unanswered. I was tempted to pull off the > road when tailgated to let the offender pass, and then come roaring back on > THEIR tail just to let them know who was really in charge. Of course this is > foolishness - especially on a bike because if we would happen to touch > bumpers I don't even have one. I remind myself every time I get on my bike > that I must be in a frame of mind to let the competition compete if they > must, but I will not join in. Let the drivers who must behave like "real > men" (be they male or female) win time and again. It's not a game, no matter > what some players may think. > > Mark Wendt > MarWendt@aol.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Keyless entry, etc. Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:29:54 -0700 After locking my keys in my car a couple of times, a locksmith made me a spare key, which I rolled up in a $5 and stuck in my wallet. Later cars have come with keys with huge heads on them, which I've had to cut down to fit into the wallet. When I got the bike, I got a spare key made for it and added to the collection. Now I know that if I lose my keys, I will have also lost the key to the Kryptonite lock, so I stuck a spare set into the trunk... I just hope that I don't lose my keys and my wallet at the same time.... Mat Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards for you are crunchy and go well with ketchup. >---------- >From: jhyder@erols.com[SMTP:jhyder@erols.com] >Sent: Friday, June 21, 1996 1:57 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Keyless entry, etc. > >Hi guys and gals, > >Of course, the other keyless entry method, if you have your allen >wrench and >10mm socket handy, is to pop out the air vents, remove the side covers >and >the top shelter, and there you go. And you can adjust the throttle or >add >some gas while you're at it. No, probably not as fast as the other >methods >described, but presented here for completeness' sake. > >Once I realized how easy it would be to lock the keys in the trunk >(about >the third time I tossed my gloves into it) I decided to place a secret >key >in or on the bike. I got a soft key-hider thingee (that's the >technical >term) with velcro, found my secret hiding place, and also tucked a $20 >bill >in there for the unexepected misadventure. > >Fortunately, I've never needed either precaution. (Really!) > >--James >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DOUG_MARLOW@HP-Waltham-om3.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:28:39 -0600 Subject: PC800 shop manual To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text On Saturday I was at Lowell Honda-Kawasaki in Chelmsford, Mass. and bought a PC800 shop manual. He said the price at $20 was 50% the list price. He had at least two more. The phone number is (508) 251-4440. Doug Marlow Chelmsford, MA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 01:33:07 -0700 From: ERIC MATTHEWS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles I would avoid the stuff. I used it on the windshield of my truckand loved it until the second application, then had the same foggy kind of mess already mentioned. Fogx is even worse. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Keyless Entry Date: 24 Jun 96 09:10:23 KDT When I purchased my GMC pickup I received in the mail a emergency key in a plastic case that is the size of a credit card. I can slide out the key to open the door and then push it back in so I can put back in my wallet. I wonder if this is something you can get at a locksmith shop? Jo Ruby Juneau, Alaska ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Jun 96 19:50:53 EDT From: Katherine Biggart <76562.2505@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Aggressive Drivers Mark wrote: > Let the drivers who must behave like "real men" (be they male or female) > win time and again. It's not a game, no matter what some players may think. To which JT replied: >Amen Mark. Staying alive to enjoy riding is most definitely not a game. > Good riding skills and an even better set of mental habits and mature > attitudes are what is needed. There is no point in trying to "out > adolescent" an adolescent, especially when that adolescent is in a massive > metal cage that protects them from harm and ensures that we will be injured > or killed in any exchange of momentum. Amen^2. Most of the time, I manage to maintain a mature attitude while riding. However, on some days when, for example, work has been really stressful, it is difficult to do this. To maintain my cool while satisfying an immature, stress-induced need to react or get even, I simply adopt what I've come to know as the "big dog" mentality. You know, big dogs (and, usually, big 300+ pound offensive-guard bubba types) are usually the most friendly, easygoing types - because they have nothing to prove! So let the cagers yipe and nip at your heels! Who cares ?! Even on a "slow" PC, you could blow any of 'em away (ok, maybe not a Porsche 911 Turbo with a skinny guy behind the wheel), if you were so inclined. But who needs to? Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:50:57 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: PC-800 New Subscriber Greetings, In the finest tradition of cut & paste, I present the following stats: Name: Gary E. Klim Location: Higganum, CT. Email: garyklim@mail.snet.net PC Model year (if you have one): 1996 Bought Used/New: New Modifications made to bike: Removed "always wear a helmet" decal Boring trivia no one wants to hear: a) Riding for 25 years b) 40 years old c) Divorced with 3 dependents (two cats and PC-800):) First anticipated accessory: Find tall (29") windshield that is as distortion free as the stock short one, but doesn't become a magnifying glass and melt the dashboard as I've heard tell... Any suggestions? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:12:46 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC-800 New Subscriber I'm not which of things you wanted a suggestion on but vis-a-vis the windshield... RIFLE is the way to go.. If you're 6'2" or less, get the Rifle +4. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:22:23 -0400 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on test rides... > >From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Hi gang. > >Another PC owner that I met told me about how he sold his Suzuki 750 when he >bought his PC. A guy came and looked at the bike, and promptly test rode it >into a wall. My guess is that these accidents happen more often than not >(people say they know how to ride a bike, and don't have a clue). Sell the motorcycle to them and agree to buy it back in x number of hours if they don't like it. >In fact, this dealer in Waukesha took every oportunity to warn me to take it >easy with my new PC, as it was a new bike and it would take a little getting >used to. Sure, most bikes operate about the same, but each has its own >personality, torque, breaking style, and so on. I can't imagine what it >would be like to drive around a GoldWing tank, and then to try out a CBR. > I'd want to take it easy on both of these bikes before truly "testing" them. > A five minute test ride wouldn't sell me on a bike, but it could quickly >eliminate a few options. I disagree. I rode a Buell at the Honda Hoot and felt perfectly comfortable on it and decided I liked and disliked it in a few minutes. I don't think I could pick between two or three very similar bikes in 5 minutes but if they let you out the door I'm sure you could get a few more minutes. >As for me, I really like Jason's idea of offering his bike to anyone who >cares to test the bike out. It would be great if dealers could keep a list >of people who offered their bikes for these services (and I'm sure that the >dealers could compensate for this in free labor or a discount on the bike). > In this way, people could voluntarily try out new bikes, without involving >the dealers, without involving insurance (Unless, of course, the bike gets >cracked up). Can you say excessive liability? Your insurance company would probably drop kick you through the goal posts of life for that stunt. I can just see the field day the lawyers would have with that one. I f any part malfunctioned on your bike they would place you squarely in the chain of manufacture and say by by to your money. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keyless Entry From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 Jun 1996 21:42:13 -0500 Lines: 14 >>>>> "JR" == Jo Ruby writes: JR> When I purchased my GMC pickup I received in the mail a emergency key JR> in a plastic case that is the size of a credit card. [...] I wonder if JR> this is something you can get at a locksmith shop? Yes, a good locksmith should have these. (I used to be a locksmith.) The ones we had were the size of a credit card and made of plastic. We cut them as if making any other duplicate. (You fold the individual plastic keys out from the surrounding plastic square.) Unfortunately they only came in GM and Ford keyways. No chance of getting one to fit the PC, unless you cast it out of epoxy or something. (Not a bad idea, really). - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:15:42 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind up the legs... Hi gang. Here's a question I want answered seriously. All of you folks that write back answers such as: "wear warm socks" and "duct tape your pants shut" just hold on a minute. Does anyone market an attachment which can be placed under the crashbar fins to deflect that air which rises up the legs? Other people have to be experiencing this (all the cycle magazines did on their tests), but I've never seen it discussed on the listserver. Also, I saw a guy with a PC with a mudflap on the front tire, to keep dirt out of the radiator. Is that just a good idea, a necessity, or a needless thing to do? Thanks, Chris Waukesha, WI 96 PC800T ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wind up the legs... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 25 Jun 1996 00:24:04 -0500 Lines: 17 >>>>> "C" == ChrisTUBA writes: C> Does anyone market an attachment which can be placed under the crashbar C> fins to deflect that air which rises up the legs? Not that I've heard of, but it wouldn't be too hard to make. You can clamp something around the frame member through the hole underneath the crash bar cover. C> Also, I saw a guy with a PC with a mudflap on the front tire, to keep C> dirt out of the radiator. Is that just a good idea, a necessity, or a C> needless thing to do? It's a Honda part. I think it's worth the $25 and the half hour to put it on. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:04:20 -0400 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wind up the legs... You want serious answers..... Go to rec.moto..... About the pant leg thing.... I have the photos at home but a member of our mailing list created a device to do just this...... I'll send more details on Wednesday Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'ChrisTUBA@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Wind up the legs... Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:26:37 -0700 Wind up the leg: ----------------------- Tall boots with your pants inside work well with my Aerostitch. Someone on this list made a device a while back. Check the Web page archives. Mudflap: ------------- It's a Hondaline accessory that's not too outrageous in price -- about $20. You install it by drilling two holes in the fender. I've found it does help to keep most sand and dirt from being flung in the radiator when riding in the rain. My grill doesn't get nearly as crudded up as it used to riding year round here in Seattle. I can't say it does anything for the rider however. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 11:40:16 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: wind up legs On the subject of wind up the legs. I live in the Portland, OR vacinity and in Portland is a motorcycle accessory shop that is mainly for Wings. His shop is called The Wingman. He designs and builds custom "stuff" as well as carrying Hondaline Hard Parts at a discount for his customers. His father owns a 1994 PC800, so he does some things for him. I purchased a headlight protector from him. His price was much lower than the ones I have seen for other bikes. I haven't seen one for the PC anywhere else. He is working on the design of "toe wings" for me now, and has promised to have them before winter sets in. I called him and told him what was being said on the net line. He said he would get a move on that project. This is to keep the rain, cold, and wind off my feet and will come off the case guards that are exposed through the bottom of the covers. He is also open to design and making other options that we request and has access to a 1994 PC800 to use as a model. We just have to let him know our needs. He can be reached at phone number 1-503-257-4141 or on the internet at wingman@teleport.com About the "mud guard thingy" for the front fender. I know someone who went to G.I.Joe's and bought a car type mud flap that attaches with some heavy duty double sticky tape and cut it to the shape he wanted and stuck it on. He has had it there for over a year now and he paid less than $6.00 for it. Wanda Bailie bailiew@kentrox.com 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 13:01:25 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Stat's Here are my stat's to add to your list of "who is where and what not". Name: Wanda Bailie (short 5' 2") Location: Cornelius, OR (25 miles west of Portland) Email: bailiew@kentrox.com PC800 Model year: 1995 Bought Used/New: New - April '95 now at 13,500 miles. Modifications: Red pinstriping, Handle grips with palm rest, Headlight protector, Custom cut (lower) Travelcade driver seat (gray sides/black seat with red welting), custom CB by MR Communication, custom Works Performance rear shocks (lowers bike 1&1/2 inch), throttle lock. Riding: About 25 years Age: 47 Other: Married, kids grown and gone except 2 cats, Have spare bedroom, house not always clean, Busy riding, average 9,000 to 12,000 miles/year. Work day shift Monday - Friday. Husband rides 1992 Yamaha Venture Royale. We also have and both ride 1994 Suzuki RF600RR. Changes Coming Soon: Progressive front springs,radio (MR Communicator) with remote controls for mounting on handlebar, toe wings by Wingman. 26 Jun 1996 11:43:56 -0500 (CDT) by ns2.win.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA17758; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:20:36 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:01:56 +0000 From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Subject: Re: Keyless entry and oil... To: ChrisTUBA@AOL.COM Cc: Guntherski@AOL.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hi Chris, Thanks for the oil info. I certainly will be happy to stop buying the damn Honda stuff if Castrol GTX is the same. I just wasn't sure what you meant by "the same". I also change my oil every 3000 miles (and the filter) so I won't be doing much damage anyway. Is it your understanding though, that motorcycle specific oil is specially formulated for high RPM usage? Is it also safe to conclude that "regular" auto engine oil is not so formulated? However, Castrol IS formulated for high RPM usage, as is Honda's oil? And is it also correct to say that Mobil is so damn good at lubricating, it doesn't care what it's put in? Z >Todd, > >You can agree with me or disagree about the oil thing. The point is that >Motorcycle Consumer News recently did a test (June or May issue) which stated >that Castrol GTX was exactly the same in molecular structure as Honda >Standard Oil. The oils are not the same in the fact that they are made by >the same company. But their makeup is exactly the same, and both have been >proven to run the same in motorcycles. > >But, people will do what they want to do, and in the long run, whether we run >Honda oil or Castrol or standard or Mobil 1 synthetic, all of our machines >will probably run just fine with standard oil changes. > >Hope that answers your question. > >Chris > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ramin Keyvan" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:44:25 -0700 "PC800: Stat's" (Jun 25, 1:01pm) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: How to subscribe Ok...question for y'all: How does one subscribe to this list? I did it a long time ago and can't remember how. The reason I ask is that I ran into one of our former subscribers (Richard Stucky) at a gas station the other day and he says the "How to Subscribe" section of the web page is inaccurate. He has thus-far been unsuccessful in getting himself subscribed. So please send him and me instructions on how to subscribe. His email address is: rms@arachnid.com thanks in advance for your help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ramin Keyvan Administrative Assistant TIBCO Inc. ramin@tibco.com http://www.tibco.com To Boldly Go.... _____ __...---'-----`---...__ _=============================== ,----------------._/' `---..._______...---' (_______________||_) . . ,--' / /.---' `/ "Where no one --------_- - - - - _/ has gone before..." `--------' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ramin Keyvan by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 26 Jun 1996 11:49:12 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: Wanda Bailie Subject: Re[2]: wind up legs To: ChrisTUBA@AOL.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Chris, G.I.Joes is a Outdoor/Sporting Goods store. It also has a very large automotive section. If you have a large K-Mart they may have it. I also would like a driver backrest. I will call Tim (Wingman) and tell him too. The headlight protector is a thick piece of plexiglass that covers the glass lens of the headlight. 4 spots of 1 inch velcro hold it on and allow it to be removed for cleaning. Out here in Oregon, heavy winter ice and snow mandate the roads get graveled. Spring leaves some left on the roads that get thrown up from car tires. If a large one hits the glass headlight and breaks it, a replacement would be somewhere around $300.00. The protector that would deflect the impact is $20.00. Pretty cheep insurance policy in my book. Also about front tires .... I picked one up last night at a local shop called Dr. Brown's Motorcycle Shop. He has 2 more Metzler ML2's in our size (120/80-17) and is willing to ship them wherever. His price was reasonable and my tire is on backorder at the Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. I am canceling that order. Dr. Brown's (Gene) phone number is 1-503-232-5150. He doesn't have internet access now, as he got a virus from the net. He is still working on getting it fixed and doesn't want to pass it on. Wanda Bailie 1995 PC800 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: wind up legs Author: ChrisTUBA@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/25/96 10:56 PM Wanda, Those toe-wing things would be awesome! If RIFLE fairings can afford to market a windshield for the PC, I imagine there is a whole market for toe-wings! About the mud flap...what in the world is GI-Joe's? Is that like a Kmart? The only other thing that I'd really like to see for my PC (other than toe-wings and my RIFLE fairing which I ordered two weeks ago) would be a driver's backrest that would install on the passenger hand holds, and possibly a luggage rack that would do the same. What do you need a headlight protector for? I've never seen one. I'm sending a CC copy of this to your friend the WINGMAN. I tell you , there's a market to be had in the PC business both stateside and in Europe! Thanks for your post Wanda, most informative and most appreciated! Chris Russell 1996 Honda PC800T (2000 miles today!) Waukesha, WI P.S. Wingman, if you're interested in selling those toe-wings, and come up with a nifty backrest or luggage rack (this would have to fit around the stock passenger backrest), please let me know. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:30:57 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Gas Mileage Good evening, My '96 PC is still in the early stages of its' break-in period and mileage has already gone from 45 to 51 mpg. I primarily tour major secondary roads at approx. 50 - 55 mph. What kind of mpg are you high mileage PC owners getting with similar riding conditions? I'm now less concerned about the 4.2 gal capacity if this mileage stays consistent. (The CB-1000 I traded in for the PC had a 5.8 gal tank and gave 46 mpg) Before I get too optimistic, does anyone know what (if any) speedometer/odometer error needs to be factored into the mileage equation? Thanks in advance for any and all replies. gk ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:31:00 -0400 To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Mileage My speedometer appears to be relatively accurate when clocked by my wife's car or a friendly highway patrolman's laser. At 5,000 RPM I am going roughly 75 MPH. On a recent 1000 trip, one half over back roads and the other half on Interstates, I averaged a little over 46 MPG. Riding double, carrying my wife of about 115 lbs., to Omaha and back from Kansas City the PC average around 40 MPG. Again the cruising speed was between 65 to 75 MPH. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: How to subscribe From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 26 Jun 1996 16:26:12 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "RK" == "Ramin Keyvan" writes: RK> [...] he says the "How to Subscribe" section of the web page is RK> inaccurate. He has thus-far been unsuccessful in getting himself RK> subscribed. He's here now. Welcome back, Rick. I checked the page and while it's a little out of date the instructions are basically still correct. The email addresses are old, and we're nearly 150 strong, not 90 as the page states. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:40:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New RIFLE, T-Shirts... Hi all! My Rifle shield arrived today, installation was not hard at all. At one point, someone on the list server said that the hex screws on the mirrors were hard to get out. I found that I had a "T" allen wrench (available at any hardware store) that worked flawlessly for all the screws! I think it's a 3/16" size wrench (don't quote me on that). I suggest getting one of these things...it made life a lot easier. Also, I downloaded a few JPEGS off of the Web Page. I made a couple of iron-on transparencies in color. I'll see how the t-shirts look when they're done, and let you know how they turn out. Does anyone make PC t-shirts, hats, or patches? This would be good to know. Chris Russell, Waukesha WI, 96 PC800T 2,000 miles (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:38:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:26:22 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: spare parts 2 stock seats available. 1 from '89, one from '90. (We gots Corbins!!!!) -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:38:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:31:03 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: springs are good Just got new plastic courtesy of my neighbor's insurance company. got a trunk lid in pretty good shape, spare mirror parts (would've cost more in labor to assemble the parts than the whole assy. cost) and some scratched up, but functional "wing" covers. If no one here's interested, I'm takin' 'em to Bent Bike. While they were tearing up the bile, I had them put the progressive springs in the front. Not as big a difference as the Dunlop to Metzler switch, but 0 dive, and a more responsive feel... -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:06:44 -0700 (PDT) To: jhyder@erols.com, ontrak@csbh.mhv.net From: relaena@teleport.com (Relaena Sindelar) Subject: rifle Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I don't have the matched shield, but I do have the 22". I'm 5'8", and I don't like looking through it. I'll be ordering the 20" in a day or so, so I'll sell my 22 to whoever wants it. email me at dkgross@halcyon.com. dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Re: spare parts From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 27 Jun 1996 01:36:12 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "SG" == Steve Gross writes: SG> 2 stock seats available. 1 from '89, one from '90. How much? For the seats and the other parts? I am interested in a seat for my friend (the one that takes his PC to the shop from hell) who has managed to tear his in a few places, if the price is right. Also, spare crash bar covers are good for experimenting with attachments like air deflectors and driving lights. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Gary E. Klim" Cc: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Re: Gas Mileage On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Gary E. Klim wrote: > Before I get too optimistic, does anyone know what (if any) > speedometer/odometer error needs to be factored into the mileage equation? > Thanks in advance for any and all replies. Gary, I have a '90 PC, but I suspect there's been no changes in the speedo-transmission set-up. I had my speedo calibrated at a shop that specializes in such things, and it came out SPOT ON! No deviation at all, at all speeds checked (30, 40, 50, 60, 70, & 80 mph). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:02:44 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Corban Seat >Does the Corban Seat reduce the "Hard Ass Syndrome"? I rode to Omaha >last week. My butt still is sore. You big baby. I rode to Asheville last week and my butt only hurt for one day ;-) I WILL kill someone for a Corbin. Why are the Corbin folks holding out on us? Does Bill & Hillary have something to do with this situation? Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 07:38:48 PST From: "Wanda Bailie" To: garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, BernieK469@aol.com Subject: Re[2]: Gas Mileage My 1995 is getting 52 to 55 mpg. I ride without a passenger and do mostly secondary roads as I hate the freeways. Wanda Bailie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Gas Mileage Author: BernieK469@aol.com at INTERNET-KENTROX Date: 6/26/96 8:39 PM My speedometer appears to be relatively accurate when clocked by my wife's car or a friendly highway patrolman's laser. At 5,000 RPM I am going roughly 75 MPH. On a recent 1000 trip, one half over back roads and the other half on Interstates, I averaged a little over 46 MPG. Riding double, carrying my wife of about 115 lbs., to Omaha and back from Kansas City the PC average around 40 MPG. Again the cruising speed was between 65 to 75 MPH. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 11:25:30 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson) To: Jason L Tibbitts III , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: spare parts Where is the best place to replace crash bar covers... What is the best going price stevea@sc.edu by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #8380) 27 Jun 1996 11:46:38 -0500 (CDT) id MAA00854; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:45:35 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. C. Lamoreaux" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I have a PC800 for sale. It is a 1989 with 6700 miles. The bike is clean and reliable. It does, however, have a cracked mirror casing (replacement cost = 210 dollars). I am located in Durham, NC. Asking price is 3700. JOHN jclam@acpub.duke.edu (919) 493-5673 ID ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:19:57 -0400 (EDT) ID ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) via MS.5.6.atlas.sun4_51; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "J. C. Lamoreaux" Subject: Re: Which side is cracked, I have an extra right covering if anyone is interested. "J. C. Lamoreaux" writes: > I have a PC800 for sale. It is a 1989 with 6700 miles. The bike is > clean and reliable. It does, however, have a cracked mirror casing > (replacement cost = 210 dollars). I am located in Durham, NC. Asking > price is 3700. > > JOHN > jclam@acpub.duke.edu > (919) 493-5673 > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 07:19:27 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 07:15:04 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , WetLeather Subject: WARNING! lengthy political comment and legal analysis (barely moto related) The definitive answer to those that say women can't/shouldn't ride big motorcycles.... :) The more things change.... > ================================================================ > UNITED STATES v. VIRGINIA et al. > Docket 94-1941 -- Decided June 26, 1996 > ================================================================ > > Virginia Military Institute (VMI) is the sole single-sex school > among Virginia's public institutions of higher learning. VMI's > distinctive mission is to produce "citizen-soldiers," men prepared > for leadership in civilian life and in military service. Using > an "adversative method" of training not available elsewhere in > Virginia, VMI endeavors to instill physical and mental > discipline in its cadets and impart to them a strong moral code. > Reflecting the high value alumni place on their VMI training, > VMI has the largest per-student endowment of all undergraduate > institutions in the Nation. The United States sued Virginia and > VMI, alleging that VMI's exclusively male admission policy > violated the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause. The > District Court ruled in VMI's favor. The Fourth Circuit reversed > and ordered Virginia to remedy the constitutional violation. In > response, Virginia proposed a parallel program for women: > Virginia Women's Institute for Leadership (VWIL), located at > Mary Baldwin College, a private liberal arts school for women. > The District Court found that Virginia's proposal satisfied the > Constitution's equal protection requirement, and the Fourth > Circuit affirmed. The appeals court deferentially reviewed > Virginia's plan and determined that provision of single-gender > educational options was a legitimate objective. Maintenance of > single-sex programs, the court concluded, was essential to that > objective. The court recognized, however, that its analysis > risked bypassing equal protection scrutiny, so it fashioned an > additional test, asking whether VMI and VWIL students would > receive "substantively comparable" benefits. Although the Court > of Appeals acknowledged that the VWIL degree lacked the > historical benefit and prestige of a VMI degree, the court > nevertheless found the educational opportunities at the two > schools sufficiently comparable. > > Held: > > 1. Parties who seek to defend gender-based government action > must demonstrate an "exceedingly persuasive justification" for > that action. E.g., Mississippi Univ. for Women v. Hogan, 458 > U.S. 718, 724. Neither federal nor state government acts > compatibly with equal protection when a law or official policy > denies to women, simply because they are women, full citizenship > stature-equal opportunity to aspire, achieve, participate in and > contribute to society based on their individual talents and > capacities. To meet the burden of justification, a State must > show "at least that the [challenged] classification serves > `important governmental objectives and that the discriminatory > means employed' are `substantially related to the achievement of > those objectives.'" Ibid., quoting Wengler v. Druggists Mutual > Ins. Co., 446 U.S. 142, 150. The justification must be genuine, > not hypothesized or invented post hoc in response to litigation. > And it must not rely on overbroad generalizations about the > different talents, capacities, or preferences of males and > females. See, e.g., Weinberger v. Wiesenfeld, 420 U.S. 636, 643, > 648. The heightened review standard applicable to sex-based > classifications does not make sex a proscribed classification, > but it does mean that categorization by sex may not be used to > create or perpetuate the legal, social, and economic inferiority > of women. Pp. 13-16. > > 2. Virginia's categorical exclusion of women from the > educational opportunities VMI provides denies equal protection > to women. Pp. 17-29. > > (a) Virginia contends that single-sex education yields important > educational benefits and that provision of an option for such > education fosters diversity in educational approaches. Benign > justifications proffered in defense of categorical exclusions, > however, must describe actual state purposes, not > rationalizations for actions in fact differently grounded. > Virginia has not shown that VMI was established, or has been > maintained, with a view to diversifying, by its categorical > exclusion of women, educational opportunities within the State. > A purpose genuinely to advance an array of educational options > is not served by VMI's historic and constant plan to afford a > unique educational benefit only to males. However well this plan > serves Virginia's sons, it makes no provision whatever for her > daughters. Pp. 17-22. > > (b) Virginia also argues that VMI's adversative method of > training provides educational benefits that cannot be made > available, unmodified, to women, and that alterations to > accommodate women would necessarily be so drastic as to destroy > VMI's program. It is uncontested that women's admission to VMI > would require accommodations, primarily in arranging housing > assignments and physical training programs for female cadets. It > is also undisputed, however, that neither the goal of producing > citizen soldiers, VMI's raison d'-tre, nor VMI's implementing > methodology is inherently unsuitable to women. The District > Court made "findings" on "gender-based developmental > differences" that restate the opinions of Virginia's expert > witnesses about typically male or typically female > "tendencies." Courts, however, must take "a hard look" at > generalizations or tendencies of the kind Virginia pressed, for > state actors controlling gates to opportunity have no warrant to > exclude qualified individuals based on "fixed notions concerning > the roles and abilities of males and females." Mississippi Univ. > for Women, 458 U.S., at 725. The notion that admission of women > would downgrade VMI's stature, destroy the adversative system > and, with it, even the school, is a judgment hardly proved, a > prediction hardly different from other "self-fulfilling > prophec[ies]," see id., at 730, once routinely used to deny > rights or opportunities. Women's successful entry into the > federal military academies, and their participation in the > Nation's military forces, indicate that Virginia's fears for > VMI's future may not be solidly grounded. The State's > justification for excluding all women from "citizen- > soldier" training for which some are qualified, in any event, > does not rank as "exceedingly persuasive." Pp. 22-29. > > 3. The remedy proffered by Virginia - maintain VMI as a male-only > college and create VWIL as a separate program for women - does not > cure the constitutional violation. Pp. 29-41. > > (a) A remedial decree must closely fit the constitutional > violation; it must be shaped to place persons unconstitutionally > denied an opportunity or advantage in the position they would > have occupied in the absence of discrimination. See Milliken v. > Bradley, 433 U.S. 267, 280. The constitutional violation in this > case is the categorical exclusion of women, in disregard of > their individual merit, from an extraordinary educational > opportunity afforded men. Virginia chose to leave untouched > VMI's exclusionary policy, and proposed for women only a > separate program, different in kind from VMI and unequal in > tangible and intangible facilities. VWIL affords women no > opportunity to experience the rigorous military training for > which VMI is famed. Kept away from the pressures, hazards, and > psychological bonding characteristic of VMI's adversative > training, VWIL students will not know the feeling of tremendous > accomplishment commonly experienced by VMI's successful cadets. > Virginia maintains that methodological differences are justified > by the important differences between men and women in learning > and developmental needs, but generalizations about "the way > women are," estimates of what is appropriate for most women, no > longer justify denying opportunity to women whose talent and > capacity place them outside the average description. In myriad > respects other than military training, VWIL does not qualify as > VMI's equal. The VWIL program is a pale shadow of VMI in terms > of the range of curricular choices and faculty stature, funding, > prestige, alumni support and influence. Virginia has not shown > substantial equality in the separate educational opportunities > the State supports at VWIL and VMI. Cf. Sweatt v. Painter, 339 > U.S. 629. Pp. 30-37. > > (b) The Fourth Circuit failed to inquire whether the proposed > remedy placed women denied the VMI advantage in the position > they would have occupied in the absence of discrimination, > Milliken, 433 U.S., at 280, and considered instead whether the > State could provide, with fidelity to equal protection, separate > and unequal educational programs for men and women. In declaring > the substantially different and significantly unequal VWIL > program satisfactory, the appeals court displaced the exacting > standard developed by this Court with a deferential standard, > and added an inquiry of its own invention, the "substantive > comparability" test. The Fourth Circuit plainly erred in exposing > Virginia's VWIL plan to such a deferential analysis, for "all > gender-based classifications today" warrant "heightened > scrutiny." See J. E. B. v. Alabama ex rel. T. B., 511 U.S. 127, > 136. Women seeking and fit for a VMI-quality education cannot be > offered anything less, under the State's obligation to afford > them genuinely equal protection. Pp. 37-41. 976 F.2d 890, > affirmed; 44 F.3d 1229, reversed and remanded. > > Ginsburg, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which > Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, and Breyer, JJ., joined. > Rehnquist, C. J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment. > Scalia, J., filed a dissenting opinion. Thomas, J., took no part > in the consideration or decision of the case. > -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: Mitch Loescher cc: PC800 list , HawkGT@dsea.com Subject: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Mitch Loescher wrote: > A friend of mine who works at a local bike shop told me they were pulling > Fram PH6017's (the Hawk's size) AGAIN because they were blowing off at the > threads AGAIN. Same problem they had last time with this filter. I stopped Oh great. I happened to be on my Hawk, on the track at Willow Springs at a Saturday practice when one of these blew off someone's bike and caused many people to crash, some were severely injured. Somehow I was spared even though I went right thru the part of the track everyone was going down in. Anyway, I immediately got rid of all my Fram 6017's and got a refund. I happened to look at one of the one's that was supposed to be OK and the threads on that one also looked clearly inferior to the stock Honda part. I immediately sent it back to Fram and told them that this one, although not one involved with the original recall, still did not look right, and probably needed to be recalled too. I also notified the NTHSA that Fram 6017's that were not recalled also appeared as if they may be defective. I have not used Fram's at all, even on my wife's Pacific Coast since then. Sounds like I made a good decision. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Michael Dube Cc: PC800 list , HawkGT@dsea.com Subject: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 27 Jun 1996 19:17:38 -0500 Lines: 20 >>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: [Fram filters still no good] Oh, well, I suppose I was wrong in not worrying about the Fram filter. Which makes little difference anyway, since I never managed to find one so I bought the Honda part. Paying $12 for a filter seems like such a rip-off, though. Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six or twelve at a time if I could get the price down. I also didn't realize that the Hawk and the PC use the same filter. [Sorry if the Hawk list doesn't care about this; please adjust replies appropriately.] -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:21:04 -0700 (MST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Gregg L. DesElms" Subject: New subscriber Hello, everyone. I'm a new subscriber to your list and, according to the "Welcome" e-mail message I just received from the majordomo server, I'm supposed to introduce myself to the group by answering the following: Name: Gregg L. DesElms Location: Minneapolis and Chicago (two homes) Email: deselms@primenet.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1989 (pearl white metallic, mint condition) (also own a 1982 V45 Sabre, mint condition) Bought Used/New: New (my 2nd after I piled-up my first into the back of a van in 1993 -- replacing it was an adventure which I'm happy to share with anyone who cares to know). Modifications made to bike: Five in all -- the last two of which, below, I'm actually quite proud of if I say so myself, and the "how-to" of which I'd be happy to share with anyone who cares: 1) Inexpensive, simple emergency flashers 2) An aircraft-quality dashboard compass 3) Retrofit of a rifle replacement shield 4) HIGH BRAKE LIGHT ON CLAMSHELL TRUNKLID 5) SHOULDERBLADE HEIGHT PASSENGER BACKREST I'm a 39-year-old computer and telecommuncations consultant. I've been riding since I was... let's see... 14, I think. I've owned dozens of bikes in years past. I've only had two accidents -- both of which were unnecessary and the result of my own temporary lapse in judgement, and which will never be repeated! Frankly, if it weren't for these bikes, I don't know what I'd do with my stress. Okay, that's enough. I just wanted to do what the listserver message said I was supposed to do. OBTW... Just since I subscribed last night, I've already gotten over 20 separate messages. Whomever is the owner of this server, might I suggest an option to this listserver whereby we may alternatively subscribe to a "digest" list instead of this regular message-by-message list. The digest list would simply accumulate all listserver messages for a fixed period of time -- say, 12 hours -- and then send them to subscribers in a single e-mail message. Each subscriber would, therefore, get two messages per 24 hours. Just a suggestion. For an idea of how well something like that might or might not be working, please see http://www.pulver.com and look for information about subscribing to their various lists. Each list subject area has two options: A message-by-message list and a "digest" list. When they added the digest feature, I unsubscribed to the regular lists and resubscribed to the digest versions and my mailbox is decidely less cluttered. It seemed like a pretty good idea to me and I just thought I might suggest it for this list since it seems fairly active (as are the pulver lists) and I fear having to deal with a lot of individual messages each day as a subscriber to this list. Thanks, in advance, for your consideration. Regards, Gregg DesElms deselms@primenet.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Computer & Telecommunications Consultant | Author | Activist =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ______ ______ _ | _ \ | ___| | Gregg L. DesElms | | \ | ___ ____| |_ | |_ __ __ ____ deselms@primenet.com | | | |/ _ \| __| _| | | '_ | _ \| __| ------- | |_ / | __/|__ | |___| | | | | | |__ | 1-800-224-2046 |______ / \___||____|______|_|_| |_| |_|____| (in USA and Canada) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> Oxymoron of the Day: "Reagan Memoirs" <<<<<<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Michael Dube'" , "'Jason L Tibbitts III'" Cc: "'PC800 list'" , "'HawkGT@dsea.com'" Subject: RE: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:49:35 -0700 Milpitas Honda has 'em at $9 if memory serves me right. I buy in bulk from them and they ship 'em quick. Air filters too. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Jason L Tibbitts III[SMTP:tibbs@hpc.uh.edu] >Sent: Thursday, June 27, 1996 5:17 PM >To: Michael Dube >Cc: PC800 list; HawkGT@dsea.com >Subject: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again > >>>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: > >[Fram filters still no good] > >Oh, well, I suppose I was wrong in not worrying about the Fram filter. >Which makes little difference anyway, since I never managed to find one >so >I bought the Honda part. Paying $12 for a filter seems like such a >rip-off, though. > >Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six >or >twelve at a time if I could get the price down. > >I also didn't realize that the Hawk and the PC use the same filter. > >[Sorry if the Hawk list doesn't care about this; please adjust replies >appropriately.] >-- > Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 >System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing >Center > 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MickeyMatt@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:40:15 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hello All PC800 Nuts Well, like others, this is me... Name: Matt Humphreys Locations: Morrisdale, PA Email: MickeyMatt@aol.com PC Model Year: 95 Bought Used this April with only 2100 miles Modifications: Honda passenger backrest purchased, wife said it really didn't give her much support. Stretched the shape on Autocad, cut new backrest out of 1/2" plywood, added threaded inserts, gave it to the auto upholsterer and she is very happy. I used the stock mounts, but added a few washers under the top bolts to give it a more upright angle, she didn't like the way back lean. If anyone wants my file of the backrest, let me know. Now she says the wind beats her up too much, so we will be getting the middle size Rifle (22") windshield. How do people like these? Will I see any of you at Mid-Ohio for AMA Vintage Days? Happy Riding!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:59:38 -0400 From: "Gary E. Klim" To: PC-800 E-Mail Group Subject: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again > Paying $12 for a filter seems like such a rip-off, though. >Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six or >twelve at a time if I could get the price down. Greetings, Up here in the north east (CT) the OEM Honda oil filter is about $8 +/-. I have apparently reached some monetary milestone at my local dealer as I now usually receive a 10% discount on parts / accessories. (This is partly because I bought a used Microfiche reader ($35) and am able to call in parts orders via Honda part numbers and/or codes) This probably saves the counter guy 5 minutes in not having to get the fiche loaded and asking the time honored "Is this what you want?..." The fiche is also an excellent supplement to the service manual when performing maintenance. The only tasks I'll let the dealer perform are mount and balance tires or ones that require a Honda Special Tool that usually costs its' weight in weapons grade plutonium... Enough rambling for now. Good night. gk (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:45:22 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:35:07 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: New subscriber I'd be interested in one of those... I'd love to do an LED strip... Gregg L. DesElms wrote: [lots of good info deleted] 4) HIGH BRAKE LIGHT ON CLAMSHELL TRUNKLID [...] -- Steve Gross, Seattle, WA "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:45:13 -0400 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rain/Rifles In a message dated 96-06-21 09:46:06 EDT, GuntherSki writes: << But I thought the rest of the message said that the second time he rain-exed it streaked. What is the real deal? What's this poly-carbonate stuff? >> Gunther? Polycarbonate is a hard plastic which is used by some for windshields (it is a more expensive product too). Honda uses it for the PC's windshield. Rain X acts as a solvent (albeit a mild one) for polycarbonate. You shouldn't use Rain X on it. By contrast, the Rifle shields are made from an acrylic (usually Lucite) which is softer and should not be bothered by Rain X. FWIW, a lot of people use Pledge which also seems to do a good job and is a darn sight cheaper too... (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:33:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 20:29:51 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin is ready!! HI GANG!!! I'm back...a little tired, but my butt don't hurt :>) Stay tuned for a complete report/www page complete with photos...give me a week or so, ok?!?!?! Special thanks to Erin and Mike for meeting my and Relaena and giving us the tour of Montery and the redwoods...very pretty!!!! Photos photos photos. When I picked up my PC, I ordered and paid for a 2nd seat for my brothers bike..it came in less than a week. IF you order one, make sure to send an email to Mike Corbin (corbin01@corbin.com) and tell him I sent ya.. You won't get a better price on your seat, but he's really interested in tracking the WWW involvment of us PC people..he's a really nice guy. anyway...I now have my old seat/backrest to sell. Any takers? -- Dave Gross Seattle,WA http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: James Montebello To: Jason L Tibbitts III cc: Michael Dube , PC800 list , HawkGT@dsea.com Subject: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again On 27 Jun 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: > [Fram filters still no good] > Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six or > twelve at a time if I could get the price down. Emgo makes a good filter that costs a good deal less. > I also didn't realize that the Hawk and the PC use the same filter. A *lot* of bikes use this filter. CB-1, CBR600 (all years), ZX-7, and probably lots more. ----- james montebello - owner of the 2nd messiest garage in sacramento, california BRRRUUUUUMMMM....whaaaaaaa....braaapppp....hhhmmmmmmm ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:29:07 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, garyklim@snet.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas Mileage Ditto for me on the specs..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:31:24 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Corban Seat Rick, Who shot Kennedy? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:33:04 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Corban Seat In a message dated 96-06-27 11:14:19 EDT, Dentman711@aol.com writes: << Why are the Corbin folks holding out on us? >> Rick, Who REALLY shot Kennnedy? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:32:30 -0400 To: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: spare parts In a message dated 96-06-27 12:05:53 EDT, stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson) writes: << Where is the best place to replace crash bar covers... >> OOPS!!!! Is there a story here? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Dashboard Compass To: deselms@primenet.com (Gregg L. DesElms), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Gregg, I, and I'm sure others on this list would be interested in the details regarding the compass you installed in your dash. What was your source? Tom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: PC800 Oil Filters To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:18:40 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ++ ++>>>>> "MD" == Michael Dube writes: ++ ++[Fram filters still no good] ++ ++Oh, well, I suppose I was wrong in not worrying about the Fram filter. ++Which makes little difference anyway, since I never managed to find one so ++I bought the Honda part. Paying $12 for a filter seems like such a ++rip-off, though. ++ ++Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six or ++twelve at a time if I could get the price down. ++ J.C. Whitney has what I believe is the same oil filter for the PC that the dealer sells, but for $4.99 each. I have been using these for some time with no problems whatever. Tom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:28:43 +0000 To: Jason L Tibbitts III From: photoguy@mail.utexas.edu (Robert Pandya) Subject: Fram PH6017 filter recall - Cheap Honda Filters Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HawkGT@dsea.com, cb1@bigtwin.de.convex.com >Fram filters are blowing at the threads > Paying $12 for a Honda oil filter seems like such a >rip-off, though. >Is there a cheaper source of these filters? I'd be willing to buy six or >twelve at a time if I could get the price down. Cycle Accessories in Round Rock TX will sell single filters (OEM Honda MM9 - stock Hawk filters) for $7.00. A case of 10 will run you $65.00. Call Manny @ 1800 438-0019 How's that? Note that Honda has only two spin-on filter sizes. The MM9 is the smaller, but is used on the Goldwing, CB-1 and many others. The larger size MJO is used on Big V-twins-I think. Cheers, Robert Pandya StaffPhotographer UT PAC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: Tom McBride cc: Jason L Tibbitts III , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Oil Filters On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Tom McBride wrote: > > J.C. Whitney has what I believe is the same oil filter for the PC that the > dealer sells, but for $4.99 each. I have been using these for some time > with no problems whatever. I would highly recommend comparing one of these visually, directly, particularly the thread area, to the Honda filter before declaring it perfectly safe for all based on the fact that you didn't have any problems for "some time". A blown off filter can spew a huge amount of oil in a short period of time and this should not be taken lightly. MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Nielsen Subject: Re: Fram (PH6017) Here We Go Again To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 9:10:42 PDT Cc: mdube@hsc.usc.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, HawkGT@dsea.com [snip] >I also didn't realize that the Hawk and the PC use the same filter. Hawk, PC, F2, F3, VFR, and maybe RR. Most of the Honda line, really =). Mike -- Mike Nielsen v: 916.785.1770 e: mnielsen@hprnd.rose.hp.com Hardware Design Engineer HP Workgroup Networks Division ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: hondaline radio // in-bike stereo Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:19:02 -0700 From: Andrew Beals I've heard tell that the Hondaline radio is unobtanium. Has anyone else figured out how to mount a !honda radio into the beast? Hell, just a CD player/changer would do fine for me. thanks in advance andy -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Michael Dube Cc: Tom McBride , Jason L Tibbitts III , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Oil Filters Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:17:13 -0700 From: Andrew Beals > On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Tom McBride wrote: > > > > J.C. Whitney has what I believe is the same oil filter for the PC that the > > dealer sells, but for $4.99 each. I have been using these for some time > > with no problems whatever. > > I would highly recommend comparing one of these visually, directly, > particularly the thread area, to the Honda filter before declaring it > perfectly safe for all based on the fact that you didn't have any problems > for "some time". A blown off filter can spew a huge amount of oil in a > short period of time and this should not be taken lightly. To put it in Plain English: "Is your life worth $8?" andy '89 pc -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 Cube-locator: Pterodactyl hanging above me, front right quarter of the building "Questions are a burden to others; answers are a prison for oneself." --The Prisoner, "Arrival" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:38:55 -0400 To: richard_sheppard@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Body Parts Hi Folks, (there is a quote below this message) I'm not quite sure what Richard measn or how it happened or how he found me but.... can any one help? I assume that he was adding fluids and dribbled some on the fairings. This softened the plastic and ...... So, a word to the wise, no dribbling. Richard, the pc800 address above is the mailing list address. You can subscribe by sending mail to the above address with the word SUBSCRIBE in the body and in the Subject. I don't have any pieces for you but perhaps some of the others do. Can you tell us which pieces you need? Specifically. Also, what color, although it might look cool to mix and match..... Z In a message dated 96-06-27 15:00:26 EDT, you write: << Help Me Please !! My PC800 was recently in a unique accident. I let brake fluid settle into the plastic. The result was a bike that lost pieces every time I hit a bump in the road. Can you help me find a right side for my 1989 Pearl White/Tan Pacific Coast ;-) >> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: richard_sheppard@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us Subject: Re: Body Parts From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:24:53 -0500 Lines: 30 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> Richard, the pc800 address above is the mailing list address. You can G> subscribe by sending mail to the above address with the word SUBSCRIBE G> in the body and in the Subject. NOOOO! If you try this, you won't get anywhere. If I didn't filter the message, everyone here would see it. Because I filter messages, it just gets thrown away and you don't get subscribed. Folks, _never_, EVER send list commands to the list address. It just isn't smart, and it's the number one mistake of those new to the net. (Number two is asking questions that were just asked last week, but that's not much of a problem here perhaps because of the archive search engine.) There is always a separate address for sending list commands and requests. There's also another address that's guaranteed to reach a human. Everyone on the list had to have send a proper subscribe request, so everyone here knows that's not the right way to do it. In fact, you can deduce the proper instructions by looking at the bottom of every single message from this list. For Richard, who's reading but not subscribed, just send a message containing only the line subscribe pc800 to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. The server will respond with instructions and a confirmation line which you must send back verbatim. Do that and you're set up. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dube To: JOE STEVE cc: PC800 list Subject: Re: oil filter over reaction On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, JOE STEVE wrote: > For goodness sake, if you are really that paranoid, sell me > your PC and buy yourself a walker. Seriously though, I think It belongs to my wife and she is not willing to sell it. I do ride it fairly often. My primary safety concern is with my 650 Hawk race bike, which uses the same filter. It only makes sense that if an oil filter has threads that are visibly inferior and it also blows off of bikes sometimes that it may present a safety problem even for a bike as feminine as the PC. > I may have some special filters for sale, special steel I think, > only $200 each. Send me cash only. For those of you who > don't automatically believe that more expensive is > automatically better, JC Whitney sells EMGO filters, and I've > used at least two dozen of them. They seem ok. Maybe not > the best, but serviceable. I am not sure that "seem ok" or "serviceable" is a strong enough endorsement for a safety related item. > ----------clipped from a previous email---------- > "To put it in Plain English: "Is your life worth $8?"" I didn't say that, but is it? MPD ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:43:22 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Gas Mileage Gary E. Klim wrote: > My '96 PC is still in the early stages of its' break-in period and mileage > has already gone from 45 to 51 mpg. I primarily tour major secondary roads at > approx. 50 - 55 mph. What kind of mpg are you high mileage PC owners getting > with similar riding conditions? I'm now less concerned about the 4.2 gal > capacity if this mileage stays consistent. (The CB-1000 I traded in for the > PC had a 5.8 gal tank and gave 46 mpg) > Before I get too optimistic, does anyone know what (if any) > speedometer/odometer error needs to be factored into the mileage equation? > Thanks in advance for any and all replies. > > gk > -- When I'm traveling at these sedate speeds I usually get between 48-52 mpg, depending upon wind and terrain. I've got 23,000 miles on my '94, but the fuel milage has been fairly consistant. I have clocked the odometer with the mile markers over a period of 20 miles or so, and any error appears to be less than 1%. I currently have the Metzler ML2's. Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:16:32 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: rain/Rifles I just recently bought a piece of plastic at a company that deals with all plastic products. While there, I bought a bottle of a plastic cleaner and shiner. The sales clerk said the product was used by the Milwaukee police dept. and lots of other bikers. He said it cleans and polishes the plastic and repels water too. Since it is made especially for plastics, I see it as a probable solution for windshield cleaning and rain dissipation. I paid $4.20 for an 8 oz spray bottle. Haven't had a chance to try it as I need to scrape about 8,000 bugs off my windshield before I use it. If anyone is interested in the product, it is made by Novus Inc. out of Minneapolis, MN. Call 1-800-548-6872 for the nearest distributor. The product is called 1 plastic clean & shine. They also make several products for taking out scratches in plastic. Bob >In a message dated 96-06-21 09:46:06 EDT, GuntherSki writes: > ><< But I thought the rest of the message said that the second time he >rain-exed it streaked. What is the real deal? What's this poly-carbonate >stuff? > > >> > >Gunther? > >Polycarbonate is a hard plastic which is used by some for windshields (it is >a more expensive product too). Honda uses it for the PC's windshield. Rain >X acts as a solvent (albeit a mild one) for polycarbonate. You shouldn't use >Rain X on it. > >By contrast, the Rifle shields are made from an acrylic (usually Lucite) >which is softer and should not be bothered by Rain X. > >FWIW, a lot of people use Pledge which also seems to do a good job and is a >darn sight cheaper too... > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 18:31:10 -0500 From: Bill McKenna To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: front end wiggle...... 'We' have a '96 PC... I say 'cuz the bike's 'hers', the problems, maint will be 'mine' [I ride ST1100] Anyhow, Any experience out there with a front end 'wiggle'... not quite a shimmy, but not comfortable either. Starts about 50 on the straight away, higher with the twisties... unbearable after 70ish. All balanced, rest seems tight enough.. Ideas??? Email direct please. I' subscribed to PC the same time as this... don't know how long it will take.... Thanks. Bill McKenna bmckenna@mint.net id UAA07803; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:19:27 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:19:27 -0400 To: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: MOTEL/CAMPGROUND Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca For a Retread weekend trip I am looking for someone with knowledge of economical accommodations in the Rhinebeck,Pine Plains NY or Canaan, CT area. I need to find both a motel and a campground within reasonable distance of each other to facilitate a morning "re-connection". I think I mentioned this trip before. We plan to hit the airshow on Saturday pm then overnight nearby and ride up to Springfield MA on Sunday for the Indian Days at the Motocycle museum there. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:23:46 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:19:30 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Shouldn't the "From" address be this list? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Could I suggest that this list swap the "From" and "Sender" fields (in the header of the mail message)? In this way, when I reply to a message, it goes to the list rather than directly to the sender? As I recall, the list was changed a while back but I did not pick up why :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shouldn't the "From" address be this list? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Jun 1996 20:14:13 -0500 Lines: 23 >>>>> "HS" == Harrison Spain <_spain@edsug.com> writes: HS> Could I suggest that this list swap the "From" and "Sender" fields (in HS> the header of the mail message)? There are really good reasons for doing things the way they are done. The most compelling is the standard (rfc822) that requires it. HS> In this way, when I reply to a message, it goes to the list rather than HS> directly to the sender? A reply should go to the person who wrote the message. A wide reply should go to the list. Your mailer should understand the difference between the two kinds of replies; if it doesn't, please consider new software. HS> As I recall, the list was changed a while back but I did not pick up HS> why :-). I realized that I had misconfigured things, and changed them to be proper. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:43:59 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Cartmel Subject: Re: Test rides or the lack thereof I'm late getting in on this topic, but I don't think anyone mentioned the possibility of renting a PC or any other type of motorcycle. Can't remember the details, but I've seen it advertised before, especially for tours/vactioners. -------------------------------- Tom Cartmel, N9WOX cartmel@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~cartmel --------------------------------