********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Apr 96 23:32:40 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: HSTA ListServer Cc: Goerge Catt , "Keith M. Danielson" , "Daniel L. Gordon" <74534.2265@CompuServe.COM>, PC800 Listerve Subject: Help = 95-ZX6E For SALE!!! Help......does anyone out there need a new bike for this year.. .or know someoone looking? *****NEW***** 1995 ZX6E RED has only 500 miles MUST SELL!!! $6k......OBO or even take over payments..... Fireman Joe, Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 20:17 PDT From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: (Fwd) Motorcycles Forever: June 1 until September 29, Reynolds, Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada! Call 1)800)661)4726 1 TEXT BOUNDARY, 49 MESSAGE, 2 TEXT BOUNDARY --PART-BOUNDARY=.19604302017.ZM11562.sun630 Content-Description: Text Just thought some of you might be interested in this event. --- Forwarded mail from Rose City Motorcycle Club = = ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rose City Motorcycle Club Subject: Motorcycles Forever: June 1 until September 29, Reynolds, Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada! Call 1)800)661)4726 [ text/plain Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] : >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:14:40 -0600 >From: Marcene Jacobi >To: info@rose-city-mc.org >Subject: (no subject) =00 > >=7FWPC'=04Motorcycles are rolling in, exhibit construction is under way = and =00nd >excitement is mounting! > >On June 1, 1996, the Reynolds)Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, >Alberta, Canada opens Motorcycles Forever. More than 120 rare and >significant machines from 1900 to 1975 are featured in this >chronological exhibition. > >The bikes themselves provide a visual feast ) metallic blues and >cardinal reds; the boldness of brass, the gleam of chrome. = =00 > >Rare bikes include the 1903 Kerry, the oldest operating motorcycle >in Canada and a 1934 Crocker Speedway Racer, thought to be one of >only ten racers in existence. Motorcycle aficionados will >recognize such names as Henderson, Excelsior, and Vincent, and >everyone is familiar with Indian, Honda, and Harley)Davidson. = =00 > >Plan to attend the exciting motorcycle special event weekends: >A=02=08=07=08=07=0FA=02=08=07=08=07=0FA=02=08=07=08=07=0F =00=3D08=3D07=3D08=3D07=3D0FA=3D02=3D08=3D07=3D08=3D07=3D0F >Motorcycles Forever is a 'one time only' exhibition ) it will not >travel to other parts of the continent ) so don't miss your >opportunity to experience it! Motorcycles Forever ) June 1 until >September 29, Reynolds)Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, Alberta, >Canada! Call 1)800)661)4726 > > >Please distribute this to anyone else who might be interested! > > --- End of forwarded mail from Rose City Motorcycle Club -- = Bye for now ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** = = = = = = = --PART-BOUNDARY=.19604302017.ZM11562.sun630 Content-Description: Transferred from mail from Rose City Motorcycle Club : text/plain >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:14:40 -0600 >From: Marcene Jacobi >To: info@rose-city-mc.org >Subject: (no subject) > >=7FWPC'=04Motorcycles are rolling in, exhibit construction is under way = and >excitement is mounting! > >On June 1, 1996, the Reynolds)Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, >Alberta, Canada opens Motorcycles Forever. More than 120 rare and >significant machines from 1900 to 1975 are featured in this >chronological exhibition. > >The bikes themselves provide a visual feast ) metallic blues and >cardinal reds; the boldness of brass, the gleam of chrome. = > >Rare bikes include the 1903 Kerry, the oldest operating motorcycle >in Canada and a 1934 Crocker Speedway Racer, thought to be one of >only ten racers in existence. Motorcycle aficionados will >recognize such names as Henderson, Excelsior, and Vincent, and >everyone is familiar with Indian, Honda, and Harley)Davidson. = > >Plan to attend the exciting motorcycle special event weekends: >A=02=08=07=08=07=0FA=02=08=07=08=07=0FA=02=08=07=08=07=0F >Motorcycles Forever is a 'one time only' exhibition ) it will not >travel to other parts of the continent ) so don't miss your >opportunity to experience it! Motorcycles Forever ) June 1 until >September 29, Reynolds)Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin, Alberta, >Canada! Call 1)800)661)4726 > > >Please distribute this to anyone else who might be interested! > > --PART-BOUNDARY=.19604302017.ZM11562.sun630-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> Cc: HSTA ListServer , Subject: Re: Help = 95-ZX6E For SALE!!! From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 May 1996 00:30:13 -0500 Lines: 18 [I'm not on the HSTA list, but I _am_ the PC800 list] >>>>> "JB" == Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> writes: JB> *****NEW***** 1995 ZX6E RED has only 500 miles MUST SELL!!! JB> $6k......OBO or even take over payments..... Hey, if you were in Texas I might take you up on it. You see, I paid off the PC and need to waste more money. I want a small sportbike for the same reason most people want bikes in the first place: I'd like to have something to have fun with on weekends. That sounds funny when you don't have a car. Then again, I'd probably end up plastered on the side of a building or something. And only $6K. How much was it new? How many times has it been dropped? And, uh, how much _are_ those payments, anyway? - J< (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:10:44 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:37:06 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Erin Dolin Subject: Re: Our ride Saturday Erin, no such thing as a trip report that's "too long" I got snookered by the weather guys into riding underlayed and too darn cold sunday -- (my own fault for not being prep'd) Sounds like y'all had a great time. Tho I do want to hear about the firewater! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:10:49 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:38:02 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , gaye@percy.rain.com Subject: Re: Projected Cross Country Trip At least a trip report, Gaye -- Enjoy the ride! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 06:58:59 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 1 May 1996 8:01:19 -0400 (EDT) To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Milpitas HondA At 03:19 PM 4/30/96 -0400, you wrote: >Just called and ordered the passenger backrest ($130) and an oil filter >($6.99). Nice guy in parts. Is this a good deal? I know the filter price >isn't bad but what about the backrest? What was that tel number again? Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:14:18 +0200 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Our ride Saturday [snip] >I thought I'd let everyone know how our trip was this past Saturday >with Willem. I don't know how he did it, but he managed to bring us >the most gorgeous weather of the season. I hope the people in >Holland didn't mind us borrowing their warm weather for the weekend. [snap] Hi Erin, sounds like a great trip! No problem borrowing some of our weather, in fact it's been too dry for a long period now. Later, Hans Looman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:14:14 +0200 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Nice Ride [snip] >I rode 220 south from Sayre passing through Athens and Milan (what do our non-US >readers think when they see names such as those?). [snap] Here in Holland we have a nice little place called 'America' . What do you think of that? Later, Hans Looman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 96 10:15:30 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Latest Koni News Don't order Koni shocks for the PC. Unless you want to modify them yourself with the bushings from the OEM shocks. The correct shocks, from a supplier, will not be available until they can be obtained from Holland. The set I have which Koni modified will not work as is because the width of the top eyes is too great. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:25:03 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Ride Report and Ramblings To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Thanks Erin for that great trip report. It certainly sounded like a lot of fun and a great chance to meet others. Well, I am now classified (according to my friend Tom Reynolds) as a deprived biker as I sold the 82 Goldwing Saturday and am left with just my 89 PC. Really hated to see the Wing go, but the reality was that I was riding the PC 99% of the time and running the Wing just to keep the battery juiced up and the fluids moving. The fellow purchasing it seemed to be a real nice guy that will take good care of it. Will use some of the funds to upgrade the PC with Rifle windshield system, Corbin seat and put the rest aside for a future purchase. Anyway, to celebrate (and grieve), went for a ride Sunday and it was a great day. Tried to hook up with Tom, but found out later he had left early in the morning for a quick run up to TWO Campground in Suches as he had some things to do in the afternoon. Air temp at 10:00am in Atlanta was in the low 60s under a beautiful blue sky with nary a cloud in sight. Up Hwy 9 north towards Dahlonega and then west on Hwy 136 towards Amicolola Falls State Park. Traffic was very light and was surprised to see so few other bikes. A quick stop at the falls for a stretch and a couple of snaps of the camera. Remounted and continued west on Hwy 52 towards Ellijay. Had to slow down to smell and see all the trees in the apple orchards that were in full bloom. Made my mouth water for some of that fresh squeezed cider that will be available during harvest time in the late summer. Headed up Hwy 515 towards Blue Ridge and then west over to McCaysville and the Ocoee River. Hey, where did these big winds come from? Everything had been calm, but about noon the winds really started gusting. Had to really pay attention coming out of valleys and such as the crossdrafts were really bad. Hoped to get some pictures at the Ocoee River. They are still working on the Olympic kayaking venue, but the river course has been completed and there were about 75 - 100 athletes practicing. Unfortunately, they won't allow the general public to stop alongside the road or walk up to the course since the site is still under construction. U. S. Olympic trials are weekend of May 16 and the venue will be open at that time. Oh well, another excuse to ride up. Rode on down Hwy 60 and then turned around and headed back. Group of about 15 Goldwings passed. Big waves from all. Stopped in Ellijay and had a nice BarBQ lunch. Group of 5 Harleys arrived a few minutes later and we shared a picnic table and some tales. They had come up from Atlanta, but didn't really know the areas good roads. Pulled out the map and gave them several routes to choose from. They were very appreciative. One of them was a pediatrician and had his 14 year old daughter with him. They had to get back to Atlanta, but had a little time so I offered to lead the back way. He hadn't had a lot of time on the bike and I think the gusty winds were a little frightening to him. I suggested we take the back roads that were more sheltered and they agreed. We cruised the 2 lanes of Hwy 136 to Talking Rock and then picked up 372 in Ball Ground back to Hwy 92. We parted company with warm waves. A great day. Enjoyed the time alone and the chance to clear the mind and focus on all the beautiful sights around; as well as the fellowship with others with a common interest. Since I have not been riding all that long either ( less than 3 years) and have really received a lot of support and help from others; it was nice to give a little back. Hope next weekend is just as nice! Ride Safe, Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MIKE_RUNKLE@US.WFL.COM by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 01 May 1996 09:27:01 -0500 (CDT) 01 May 1996 10:20:53 -0400 id sma007873; Wed, 01 May 1996 10:20:37 -0400 01 May 1996 10:26:42 -0400 01 May 1996 10:22:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 09:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PC800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: MIKE_RUNKLE@US.WFL.COM Bryce, A little update. I have been to the local Honda dealer and he went through all the memos he had about any PC problems and we did not find one on the stator. I called Honda in Cal. and have not heard from them. I did go ahead and replace the rectifier unit and that did not remedy the problem. So now I am in stator mode. I want to make sure I am on the PC Net. My email is mike-runkle@us.wfl.com if there is anything else you need let me know. Thanks in Advance, Mike Bahama NC PS Where are you located? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 May 96 10:31:53 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "\" Ramin Keyvan\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds RK--- I think that we resoponsible foks got smart we took those extra $$$ it would cost to put on new exhausts and used them to by these computers we use, to exchange our thoughts, words of wisdom, and have more fun than those "Hey look at me--I'm cool!!' types...IMHO....when I want to make lots of noise I jump on the fire truck and pull the chain and make more noise then the law allows.... Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 May 96 10:31:51 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: Daniel MacKay Cc: "Daniel L. Gordon" <74534.2265@CompuServe.COM>, PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Four Plugs !! ?? ###REPLY to follow##### recopied for conveinece =To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu =From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) =Subject: Four Plugs !! ?? = =I went into the dealer today to buy a new set of plugs. "Plugs, please," =sez I, "for a Pacific Coast." =The guy checked the chart, popped into the back room, and dropped four =plugs onto the counter in front of me. ="No, no," sez I, "a Pacific Coast- two cylinders." =The parts guy looked at me for a second and said, "Are you sure you want to =do this yourself?" =Ahem. That was a little embarrassing. Now, I know the front plugs are =easy- you can see them if you pull off the front ducts. I hope I don't =have to take the whole bike apart for the back plugs. ==Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca ==Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada reply--- regarding you r little plugg experience ....I too was surprised about that... I had stopped in this great little shop in North TEXAS to have the PC worked on by a ace repair dude I had just come from Sturgis and had only had the bike 4 months figurred it would be a good thing at 20,000 to change the plugs, air filter, oil etc....well much to my suprise we took off the apropriate cover (6 of the 32 panels that makes a pc) ...and we found it was apparent that someone attempted to change the pluggs at some point, as there was 2 differeent brands, with what appeared to be originall one in the rear cycl..... LOL........ Gordo thought Id copy the messgae so you could see, and get a grin..... all others sorry I cpied if it gets redudent.... Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio http://members.aol.com/hsta.www/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 May 96 11:53:25 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds Hi, Eric. You wrote: >At the age of 32, I wonder whether I am an old boy trying to recapture my youth, >or a young twit insecure about my masculinity? You're an insecure man-boy twit trying to retain your masculine youth. I know, 'cause I'm 32 myself, and that's exactly how I feel, sometimes. I don't have a LOUD Harley, but I love LOUD music, especially blasting from open windows in my cage. Nothing better than playing the latest Rage Against The Machine CD full-blast while driving to work through Irvine (of course, nobody can hear me - walking is against the law in Irvine, and everyone is safely protected inside anonymous glass buildings, but what the hell, it makes me feel like a REBEL!). Seriously, I'm not greatly pleased when a straight-pipe Harley goes roaring by on my residential street at 2:00 in the morning, but there are some places (like Irvine) that positively SCREAM out for a Harley to interrupt the corporate blandness. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:00:46 -0400 To: lawyer@pipeline.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds Amen, lawyer@pipeline.com (J. Burack). Well said. They're thinking about banning motorcycles from NYC? I've often fantasized about a city in which ONLY bikes or people-powered machines would be allowed, with exceptions for emergency vehicles and certain hours for delivery trucks. Wouldn't that be great? (Naturally, I have quiet, practical bikes like the PC800 in mind in this dream.) <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:08:04 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Glove Dealer I am looking for info on Thurow (sp) Can anyone tell me where its located and the phone number, thay hand make their gloves from deer skin? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 May 96 15:03:46 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: NICKNAMES OK how about a new fun thread??? not meant to hurt anyone's feelings about our beloved machines..... but as I was wondering/reading I've noticed there are some other nicknmaes for the PC800 I see popping up in everyone's eamil....so maybe we should compile a little list and put it on the home page somewhere.....????anyone care to input??? I have been told by a TEXAS mechanic it's a HELIX on Steroids.......... or when asked what's a PC I say it's like a BABY GOLDWING........... Or things like: the Harley guy that rides up along side and asks is that scooter running?????? lol or the fact that the trunk holds 147 hot dog bunns is a nice feature......... how many times has someone asked...where's the engine on that thing? my favorite-- suuurree is red!! Sorry just some rambling thoughts, of a crazy guy who turns (33) another year older on MAY 12... I think i need to go ride!!!!!!! 90 PC800 Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio Ohio HSTA Newsletter Editor ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 14:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: MIKE_RUNKLE@US.WFL.COM cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Mike, I replaced my stator last year at about 16k miles others I have talked to have been the same route...shop completed the job day before I left for Americade...had me worried. 15 to 20 k miles seems to be average life time for the 89 pc's stator. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Wed, 1 May 1996 MIKE_RUNKLE@US.WFL.COM wrote: > Bryce, > A little update. I have been to the local Honda dealer and he went through > all the memos he had about any PC problems and we did not find one on the > stator. I called Honda in Cal. and have not heard from them. I did go ahead > and replace the rectifier unit and that did not remedy the problem. So now I > am in stator mode. > I want to make sure I am on the PC Net. My email is mike-runkle@us.wfl.com > if there is anything else you need let me know. > > Thanks in Advance, > > Mike > Bahama NC > PS Where are you located? > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:10:40 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Milpitas HondA KlassC@aol.com wrote: > > Just called and ordered the passenger backrest ($130) and an oil filter > ($6.99). Nice guy in parts. Is this a good deal? I know the filter price > isn't bad but what about the backrest? > > Chris I paid about $150 locally for mine, and couldn't get it to mount on the seat. The dealer installed it for free once I pointed out that it was a manufacturing defect, not a dumb end user failure. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 13:27:35 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> CC: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds Steve Schibuola wrote: > > Hi, Eric. You wrote: > > >At the age of 32, I wonder whether I am an old boy trying to recapture my > youth, > >or a young twit insecure about my masculinity? > > You're an insecure man-boy twit trying to retain your masculine youth. I know, > 'cause I'm 32 myself, and that's exactly how I feel, sometimes. I don't have a > LOUD Harley, but I love LOUD music, especially blasting from open windows in my > cage. Nothing better than playing the latest Rage Against The Machine CD > full-blast while driving to work through Irvine (of course, nobody can hear me - > walking is against the law in Irvine, and everyone is safely protected inside > anonymous glass buildings, but what the hell, it makes me feel like a REBEL!). > > Seriously, I'm not greatly pleased when a straight-pipe Harley goes roaring by > on my residential street at 2:00 in the morning, but there are some places (like > Irvine) that positively SCREAM out for a Harley to interrupt the corporate > blandness. OUCH! Steve go easy on Irvine, I live there! It's not against the law to walk in Irvine, it's just illegal to be SEEN walking. We actually walk along high security gaurded paths that require two secret handshakes and a code word to access. I scream and shake my fist at you from the window of my bland corporate anonynous glass building every day as you drive by, but of course you cant hear me over the sound of your stereo. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:30:19 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Glove Dealer Hi Chris: According to their ad in Rider, it's: Thurlow Leatherworld, 4807 Mercury St. Ste.E, Dept. M San Diego, CA 92111 (619) 279-9004 JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:49:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds On 1 May 1996, Steve Schibuola wrote a quite humourous response, which has been regrettably snipped. He continued with: > > Seriously, I'm not greatly pleased when a straight-pipe Harley goes roaring by > on my residential street at 2:00 in the morning, but there are some places (like > Irvine) that positively SCREAM out for a Harley to interrupt the corporate > blandness. This is in response to not only Steve's post, but several others in this thread as well. I can't think of anyone who is pleased by such disruption(I certainly am not), and I attempt to be sensitive to such situations. I honestly believe many if not most riders of loud bikes, of both Harley and sport genres try to do the same. The point I tried to make in my previous post was that we should be careful in making sweeping generalizations about loud bikes, riders of same, women, men, blacks, whites, gays, and so on ad nauseum. Several posters to this list have made legitimate points regarding loud bikes, both for and against. (I personally don't really believe that "loud bikes save lives", but that's another story :) It is true that the perceptions of commoners (read: non-motorcyclists) regarding loud pipes can be formed by a few inconsiderate riders, and that is difficult to combat. However, we motorcyclists of all people should be aware that it has more to do with the RIDER than the bike. Rather than railing against loud bikes and those who ride them, we might better spend our time trying to "spread the word" regarding sensitivity to others feelings and rights. (Catching more flies with honey than vinegar and all that rot.) Naturally this is a losing battle, as there are lots of insensitive folks out there. However, I would be willing to bet that the proportion of assholes riding motorcycles is nearly equal to the proportion of assholes in our entire society. ;) Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:33:46 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 1 May 1996 19:36:39 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: dilemma I am in such dilemma!!!!!!!!!! Who would have ever thought that me informing the group that Supertrapp is considering making a muffler for the PC would have started such wide discussion on "loud bikes". I don't know - should I run and hide, turn in my key to the PC group washroom , OR just be proud?? All I know is that Everone is entitled to my opinion. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Eric York Cc: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM>, PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 01 May 1996 19:03:12 -0500 Lines: 20 >>>>> "EY" == Eric York writes: EY> I can't think of anyone who is pleased by such disruption(I certainly EY> am not), and I attempt to be sensitive to such situations. I honestly EY> believe many if not most riders of loud bikes, of both Harley and sport EY> genres try to do the same. The problem is, of course, that nobody hears the ones who are trying to be quiet. Now, as we all know, the PC is second only to something that runs on batteries or pedal power when it comes to quietness and thus this discussion should probably migrate off of the PC list and onto, say, wreck.motos where the necessary flaming can be properly carried out. In other words, yer wastin my bandwidth. This discussion will probably be appropriate when someone comes out with a set of straight pipes for the PC. That would be pretty funny. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:47:33 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Utopia; HELL ! Well I just finished installing my Utopia backrest. It was a HELL of a project. Mr. Spain's tips were very useful as the supplied instructions as lousy. Let me add one more point: WATCH OUT FOR FOAM CRUMBS ! I got a bunch between the vinyl and the foam itself on the passenger seating area. It looks lousey ! Took the whole thing abart and tried to vacuum them out. Sorta helped but not completely. Maybe they will go away with use. ANYWAY, I love it ! Buy one, but be prepared to suffer in the short term. FINAL NOTE TO YOU ALL... Check out my new website... *********************** http://www.ferraris.com *********************** Maybe I like PC's so much 'cause the're smooth like Ferraris ! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Have you checked out the newest Ferrari Website ? http://www.ferraris.com Dave Steven 52 Payn Avenue Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 Today's weather in the NorthEast: Sunny today but still cool in the 50's _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:11:29 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: dilemma At 06:33 PM 5/1/96 -0500, you wrote: >I am in such dilemma!!!!!!!!!! > >Who would have ever thought that me informing the group that Supertrapp is >considering making a muffler for the PC would have started such wide >discussion on "loud bikes". I don't know - should I run and hide, turn in >my key to the PC group washroom , OR just be proud?? Don't know Waldo, maybe all of the above? :-) (We have a private washroom?) :-O Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:14:55 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: NICKNAMES At 03:03 PM 5/1/96 EDT, you wrote: > I have been told by a TEXAS mechanic it's a HELIX on Steroids.......... > or when asked what's a PC I say it's like a BABY GOLDWING........... Well Joe, we all know that the '89 PC's are based on the Mr. StaPuff "Marshmellow-mobile," regardless of what they try to make us believe. :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:20:28 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Ride Report and Ramblings At 07:25 AM 5/1/96 -0700, you wrote: >A great day. Enjoyed the time alone and the chance to clear the mind >and focus on all the beautiful sights around; as well as the fellowship >with others with a common interest. Since I have not been riding all >that long either ( less than 3 years) and have really received a lot of >support and help from others; it was nice to give a little back. Nice ride, and nice sentiment. Hope to be doing some riding myself pretty soon. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 1 May 1996 18:30:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 18:13:47 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: NICKNAMES Joe, I've heard, "where do ya put the nuts in for the chipmunks?" -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 1 May 1996 18:30:30 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 18:24:35 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: dilemma Waldo, be proud! If you don't shake'em up every so often, we go back to the "how to adjust the points" conversations that I don't understand 'cuz I'm uncoordinated and incompetent. :) By the way, tech gods, how do ya adjust the rear shock preset? I'm on one, but not sure how to bump it to 2. Which brings me to another question -- I ride solo 95% of the time -- commuting, touring; not much a leaner - recommended setting? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:45:41 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: dilemma At 06:24 PM 5/1/96 -0700, you wrote: >By the way, tech gods, how do ya adjust the rear shock preset? I'm on >one, but not sure how to bump it to 2. Which brings me to another >question -- I ride solo 95% of the time -- commuting, touring; not much >a leaner - recommended setting? Steve, you need two separate tools for the job. 1) Something that looks like a flattened (and a little bent) piece of pipe, and the biggest wrench in your tool kit. Insert tool one into shock adjuster tab (points downward, paralel to the shock body) found on the bottom of the shock. Insert tool two into the other end of tool one. You should now have enough leverage to turn the adjuster. I weigh 185lbs and ride fairly sedately, but I feel I get the most control with the shock in position 4 out of 5. I hope they get the Koni fiasco solved soon! If you want to get technical, shock preload should be adjusted to bring the "sag" of your bike to the ideal level (sag is how much your bike "sinks" down when you climb on board compared to a 'no-load' condition) I think it is around 1.5" but YMMV. If you _don't_ want to get technical, experiment a bit and leave it where it feels best. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:09:25 -0400 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: dilemma In a message dated 96-05-01 19:37:22 EDT, wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu (Waldo E. Meeks) writes: >All I know is that Everone is entitled to my opinion. > LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 22:11:30 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: dilemma Steve, You need to get a friend and then you'd have areason to ride on 4. :) Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 May 96 22:47:14 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Cc: "Goldbaum, Ben" , "Griesler, John" Subject: Introduction and Questions G'Day! I am a PC owner and I have discovered you on the web so, here I am! For the record: Name: Dennis P. Komsa Location: South Plainfield, NJ Email: 71161.3313@compuserve.com PC Model year (if you have one): 89 Bought Used/New: New Modifications made to bike: Just a windshield and Metzlers, thus far (see the questions that follow) Mileage: 38,000 in less than five years. Prior Mount: 1978 Honda 750K with *lots* of mods (and nearly 65,000 miles) Okay, I have blown a fork seal at 38,000 and the beginning of the riding season. Not too bad as I needed to change the fron tire anyway and I know it is due for a set of pads on the stoppers. I would really like to make at least an incremental improvement in the handling but, not at the total expense of ride comfort. The forks are particularly annoying under hard braking going down hill (for example) when you hit a bump. They make a noise best described as a howl. Not nice. Also, it isn't confidence inspiring on pavement expansion joints in the direction of travel or on steel grate bridges. I tend to like twisties but need to do some highway miles too. Figure mostly solo but a passenger is on the horizon at least 50% of the time. I weigh in about 150# and carry some tools and a tank bag. Tires are Metzlers ML2 front and rear. After this season, I will probably do the Works Performance Shocks route, but not just now. I have read some of the threads relating to forks and am appreciative of that information I have found but would like to find out more. Specific questions: Thoughts on springs? Works or Progressive Suspension? Springing rates? Oil recommendations? Brands and weights? Should I just rebuild em stock or have someone like Lindemann or Noleen do em? Anyone know anything about these Race Tech Cartridge Emulators? Is there a fork brace from anyone? Thoughts on moving the forks up a half inch as I see mentioned. Pluses? Minuses? In discussions with my riding buddies, it seems like one step at a time is probably wisest. As I said, I am not interested in all out handling at the expense of ride comfort. I just want to get some improvement. If anyone has any experiences, I would be most grateful. If you aren't too far away . . . . let me know and perhaps we can connect!! Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:10:20 -0400 To: JSchreiter@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800 mailing list Well, you already have. Send another message with your stats, city, state, phone number, year of bike, and anything else you would like to share. I'll put it on the PC mailing list page ( www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening) and everyone else gets to read about you and like that. Welcome to the group. Todd (Chicago) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:21:41 -0400 To: bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie on the list! >God I'm rambling but it's because there are so few PC riders who I can >talk to about the fine qualities of our scooters! Rambling??? You haven't been around this list long enough, just wait till everyone can ride instead of just a few of us. Oh yeah how do you pronounce your name? Barre Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 1 May 1996 23:12:00 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 23:05:46 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , GuntherSki@aol.com Subject: Re: dilemma gunther, Had a friend once -- didn't like it. :) Looking for a woman with her _own_ motorcycle.... -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 1 May 1996 23:12:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 23:06:44 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Introduction and Questions Welcome, Dennis! Which exit? :) -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:07:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie on the list! Rick, My name is pronounced just like Barry...long story about the spelling and mildly humorous too. Barre'<---apostrophe not an accent mark ;) Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Wed, 1 May 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >God I'm rambling but it's because there are so few PC riders who I can > >talk to about the fine qualities of our scooters! > > Rambling??? You haven't been around this list long enough, just wait till > everyone can ride instead of just a few of us. > > Oh yeah how do you pronounce your name? Barre > > > Sincere thanks > Rick Fisher > dentfan@iquest.com > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! > http://members.aol.com/dentman711 > > Rick Fisher > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > ******************************************************************** > **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" > ;-) > **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? > > $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ > ******************************************************************** > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:42:31 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Introduction and Questions Now Steve thats just not funny! Its true, but not funny. The fact is aside from a small part of the state in the north, NJ is one of the mosy beautiful states I have ever seen. And thats comming from a guy who has lapped the US 5 times, has traveled to over 50 college campuses (hey, its work), and is living in WY. right now. Granted, to each his own, but NJ does seem to get a bad rap. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) Date: 96-05-02 03:54:53 EDT Welcome, Dennis! Which exit? :) -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: KlassC@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Introduction and Questions Chris, I have this really enduring dislike for NJ...but that's cause the most I ever saw of it was the Turnpike (to many crazies) and 8 weeks of Ft. Dix, enuff to give anyone unfond memories ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996 KlassC@aol.com wrote: > Now Steve thats just not funny! Its true, but not funny. The fact is aside > from a small part of the state in the north, NJ is one of the mosy beautiful > states I have ever seen. And thats comming from a guy who has lapped the US > 5 times, has traveled to over 50 college campuses (hey, its work), and is > living in WY. right now. Granted, to each his own, but NJ does seem to get a > bad rap. > > Chris > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (pc800) > Date: 96-05-02 03:54:53 EDT > > Welcome, Dennis! Which exit? :) > -- > Steve Gross > "Get the retainer up front." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:13:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: Exhaust sounds On 1 May 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > The problem is, of course, that nobody hears the ones who are trying to be > quiet. > > Now, as we all know, the PC is second only to something that runs on > batteries or pedal power when it comes to quietness and thus this > discussion should probably migrate off of the PC list and onto, say, > wreck.motos where the necessary flaming can be properly carried out. > > In other words, yer wastin my bandwidth. THe point I have obviously failed to communicate (by trying to be "nice") is that as a rider of a "loud bike" in addition to the PC, I believe nothing is accomplished by vehemently casting aspersions on such bikes and their riders. Pissed off people don't listen very well. This is a list peopled by clearly intelligent riders. I thought perhaps another viewpoint, stated calmly, could help the situation. If this is a waste of bandwidth deserving of flames, please don't hold back. Besides, my opinion is at least as valid as yours, so neener neener nee. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:35:41 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Greetings New to the list. Hi Karl Siebrecht Denver, Colorado karl@nvti.cudenver.edu I own a 1989 PC800 that I bought used in 1993 (it was bought new from the dealer in 1991) for $2,000 (a steal) It has as far as I can tell it has all the factory options available minus the Kenwood stereo. No modifications as yet, but I am interested in making it quicker without major engine mods. Any help? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 10:45:22 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Silly question? As a looking-for-a-PC type, who sees mostly 89's for sale, I wonder... did the 90's and later have the stator redesigned so they don't go bad? Sounds scary to get a bike that has a high probability of a major problem in the future. What does it cost to get one replaced? Bob Clancy Somewhere in New Mexico rmclanc@sandia.gov ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: 9312 cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Silly question? Bob, If I remember correctly (I do tend to bury bad memories very deeply) it cost me somewhere in the are of $400 to $500 to have my stator replace by a dealer. One hint if you do buy an 89, check the mileage, the higher the better chance there is that it has already had the stator replaced or just ask whoevere you buy it from if the stator has been replaced. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996, 9312 wrote: > As a looking-for-a-PC type, who sees mostly 89's for sale, > I wonder... did the 90's and later have the stator redesigned > so they don't go bad? Sounds scary to get a bike that has a high > probability of a major problem in the future. What does it cost > to get one replaced? > > Bob Clancy > Somewhere in New Mexico > rmclanc@sandia.gov > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Juan A. Goula" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: dilemma On Wed, 1 May 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > At 06:24 PM 5/1/96 -0700, you wrote: > > >By the way, tech gods, how do ya adjust the rear shock preset? I'm on > >one, but not sure how to bump it to 2. Which brings me to another > >question -- I ride solo 95% of the time -- commuting, touring; not much > >a leaner - recommended setting? > > Steve, you need two separate tools for the job. 1) Something that looks like > a flattened (and a little bent) piece of pipe, and the biggest wrench in > your tool kit. > Insert tool one into shock adjuster tab (points downward, paralel to the > shock body) found on the bottom of the shock. Insert tool two into the > other end of tool one. You should now have enough leverage to turn the > adjuster. CAUTION! I did this and I bent that tab easily! Problem is that dirt gets caught between the inner and outer body and makes it hard to turn. *Every* time I have the PC at the shop for any reason, I have them blow out the debris and I squirt WD-40 in the area. *Then* you can turn it with only the first tool that Juan mentions. Richard snip > > Juan > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: 9312 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Silly question? On Thu, 2 May 1996, 9312 wrote: > As a looking-for-a-PC type, who sees mostly 89's for sale, > I wonder... did the 90's and later have the stator redesigned > so they don't go bad? Sounds scary to get a bike that has a high > probability of a major problem in the future. What does it cost > to get one replaced? Bob, I can tell you that I have a '90 with 58K miles and the *original* stator (original everything else as far as that goes). I've also known quite a few other owners of both '89s and '90s *without* stator problems. My impression, from the postings here, is that it is principally an '89 problem. Perhaps someone else can verify this. Did Hond correct an identified '89 problem begining with the '90s. I'd like to know also? Richard > Bob Clancy > Somewhere in New Mexico > rmclanc@sandia.gov > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:29:27 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: PC Extra Baggage Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always forced to bungee. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GaryWOTR@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 15:17:14 -0400 To: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage On 2 May, 1996 Karl Seibrecht asked "Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always forced to bungee." Karl, et.al.: In April, 1994, I drove my '94 PC-800(new) from Galveston, Texas to Estes Park, Colorado. In the trunk I had two med. size athletic bags that fit the wells just right(each bag approx. 18" long by 10" high); on the passenger seat behind me I bungeed another bigger athletic bag(approx. 24"-30" long by 12" high). It rode behind me very well; in fact, provided sort of a soft backrest to lean against. Did 690 miles on first day--14 hours--the last 6 hrs. of which were in subfreezing weather across the northwest(Panhandle) section of Texas. The bungeed setup worked fine and presented no problem at all. Have used the same setup on several shorter trips around Texas! --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 16:36:53 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group , Karl Siebrecht Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage Karl Siebrecht wrote: > > Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to > the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always > forced to bungee. I've got a luggage rack on order from Capital Cycle (I think a number of others on this group do too) GIVI makes one, but for the next few months or so may be impossible to order (since no one in U.S. is a distributor anymore) but the "Nonfango" replacement looks about the same. We'll see in a few weeks. I bought a top case from J.C. Whitney over the winter that looks as if it will work well (for a 94-95, it's black!). It's not great luggage, but it's not $400 either! I'll try to get a picture for the home page when I get it set up. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:07:23 -0400 To: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage If you have installed the passenger backrest, it is quite easy to construct a "shelf" bolted to the same steel that holds up the backrest. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:14:15 -0400 To: motolist@onpmomma.isc-br.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Commercials Seein' as every once in a while list members post on about inappropriate commercials involving motorcycles, I thought I'd share this: Late the other night I was watching ESPN's coverage of a golf tournament being played outside Las Vegas (now, now, no "Get a Life" comments!) when they showed a promo for Las Vegas. It had a guy in a tux and a woman in a wedding dress motorcycling down the main drag at night with all of the casino lights in the background. Their hair was flying in the wind.... Flying in the wind? Wait a minute? There's something wrong with this picture! So I whipped out my handy-dandy AMA Motorcycle Laws By State guide...and sure, enough, Nevada REQUIRES the wearing of a helmet at all times! Hmmmmm. Seems aesthetic concerns in commercials override local laws! So, if this commercial moves you to motor to Las Vegas on your next vacation, ride without your helmet. You can always send your ticket to the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce! Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:01:45 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: KlassC@aol.com Date: 96-05-02 17:59:37 EDT This is a MIME-encapsulated message --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com The original message was received at Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- pc.800@hpc.uh.edu (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to sina.hpc.uh.edu.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 pc.800@hpc.uh.edu... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com pc.800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 From: KlassC@aol.com To: pc.800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Commercials Hey now! Stand up and be counted. Few things in life offer the joy and satisfaction of a round of golf. Watching it is just a natural manifestation of a beautiful thing. I have been playing since I was 13 (I'm now 29) and truly enjoy the game. (Notice how I don't mention how I shoot.) When asked by those who can't understand why I love the game my reply is always the same. "Regardless of how well you shoot, few things are as enjoyable as a slow walk through the woods with a few friends". Chris PS Oh yeh, that helmet thing. Hmmm. --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com To: motolist@onpmomma.isc-br.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Date: 96-05-02 17:16:05 EDT Seein' as every once in a while list members post on about inappropriate commercials involving motorcycles, I thought I'd share this: Late the other night I was watching ESPN's coverage of a golf tournament being played outside Las Vegas (now, now, no "Get a Life" comments!) when they showed a promo for Las Vegas. It had a guy in a tux and a woman in a wedding dress motorcycling down the main drag at night with all of the casino lights in the background. Their hair was flying in the wind.... Flying in the wind? Wait a minute? There's something wrong with this picture! So I whipped out my handy-dandy AMA Motorcycle Laws By State guide...and sure, enough, Nevada REQUIRES the wearing of a helmet at all times! Hmmmmm. Seems aesthetic concerns in commercials override local laws! So, if this commercial moves you to motor to Las Vegas on your next vacation, ride without your helmet. You can always send your ticket to the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce! Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com-- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Karl Siebrecht cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage Karl, I use a large water-proof duffle style gym bag with handle on each end. It sits behind the passenger back-rest on the little (for lack of a better word) protudence, then using short bungy cords through the end handles strap it to the passenger handgrips. The bag is flexible so it kinda wraps around the backrest. I also run a bungy cord through the bag's top handle and around the bottom of the backrest all the while making sure that it doesn't interfere with my passengers comfort. Sheesh wonder what people did before the bungy? Anyway, I try to pack only clothes and and light weight stuff in the back so as not to put too much weight on the rear and I can still open the trunk without unstrapping everything. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996, Karl Siebrecht wrote: > Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to > the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always > forced to bungee. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Karl Siebrecht cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage Karl, Oh yeah I forgot to mention I have seen small goldwing type trunks on some pc's but thought they were kind of ugly and didn't really hold much. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996, Karl Siebrecht wrote: > Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to > the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always > forced to bungee. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: KlassC@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown Chris, I got the same type of answer about what he saw in golf, went something like...in what other sport can you take a liesurely stroll over the beautiful countryside then get drunk and tell everyone how rough your day was. ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996 KlassC@aol.com wrote: > > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) > To: KlassC@aol.com > Date: 96-05-02 17:59:37 EDT > > This is a MIME-encapsulated message > > --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com > > The original message was received at Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 > from root@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- > pc.800@hpc.uh.edu (unrecoverable error) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to sina.hpc.uh.edu.: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... User unknown > 550 pc.800@hpc.uh.edu... User unknown > > ----- Original message follows ----- > > --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com > > pc.800@hpc.uh.edu; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 > Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 17:58:48 -0400 > From: KlassC@aol.com > To: pc.800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: Fwd: Commercials > > Hey now! Stand up and be counted. Few things in life offer the joy and > satisfaction of a round of golf. Watching it is just a natural manifestation > of a beautiful thing. I have been playing since I was 13 (I'm now 29) and > truly enjoy the game. (Notice how I don't mention how I shoot.) > > When asked by those who can't understand why I love the game my reply is > always the same. "Regardless of how well you shoot, few things are as > enjoyable as a slow walk through the woods with a few friends". > > Chris > > PS Oh yeh, that helmet thing. Hmmm. > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: Timmacy@aol.com > To: motolist@onpmomma.isc-br.com > CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu > Date: 96-05-02 17:16:05 EDT > > Seein' as every once in a while list members post on about inappropriate > commercials involving motorcycles, I thought I'd share this: > > Late the other night I was watching ESPN's coverage of a golf tournament > being played outside Las Vegas (now, now, no "Get a Life" comments!) when > they showed a promo for Las Vegas. It had a guy in a tux and a woman in a > wedding dress motorcycling down the main drag at night with all of the casino > lights in the background. Their hair was flying in the wind.... > > Flying in the wind? Wait a minute? There's something wrong with this > picture! So I whipped out my handy-dandy AMA Motorcycle Laws By State > guide...and sure, enough, Nevada REQUIRES the wearing of a helmet at all > times! > > Hmmmmm. Seems aesthetic concerns in commercials override local laws! So, if > this commercial moves you to motor to Las Vegas on your next vacation, ride > without your helmet. You can always send your ticket to the Las Vegas > Chamber of Commerce! > > Tim > Portland, OR > timmacy@aol.com > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > --RAA11508.831074359/emout16.mail.aol.com-- > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > 02 May 1996 18:30:23 -0500 (CDT) by radford.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08485; Thu, 02 May 1996 16:25:09 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 16:25:09 -0700 From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Ventura Bike Packs for PC? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: cathy.farrow@corp.sun.com Hi Folks - Do they make, and has anybody tried, the Ventura (modular) Bike Packs for the PC? I've seen their ads, and pieces of the systems on other types of bikes, and they look really nifty. I believe they'll add about 50 liters of carrying capacity. (I'm probably going to see about adding the system to my Connie, but I haven't, yet.......) Cheers - Spencer (still no PC, but still lurking) Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 ABATE (CA) # 09835 GC sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:09:21 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Jacket Adrian .... nice to meet you. Thanks for coming ... thanks for buying. I'll probably hang around the list for a while since you're a bunch of interesting guys with interesting ride stories. I still would like to sell the Hein Gericke TKO jacket, large, gray (matches '89 PC seat color). It is in great shape (nearly new). Large vents front and rear, and a removeable liner with "neck warmer". $ 250.00 --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 17:16:40 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 17:09:16 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: NJ on my mind Chris, I'm allowed -- Born in Saddlebrook, Bergen County! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 17:17:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 17:11:21 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , Karl Siebrecht Subject: Re: Greetings Welcome, Karl! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 17:17:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 17:12:28 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , 9312 Subject: Re: Silly question? Bob, Don't know whether its a different model, but my '90 has 32k on it, and no problems with the stator, battery, or anything else -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 May 96 20:21:34 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Re: Exhaust sounds Hi, Eric! You wrote: >OUCH! Steve go easy on Irvine, I live there! It's not against the law to walk in Irvine, it's >just illegal to be SEEN walking. We actually walk along high security gaurded paths that require >two secret handshakes and a code word to access. I scream and shake my fist at you from the >window of my bland corporate anonynous glass building every day as you drive by, but of course >you cant hear me over the sound of your stereo. Ah! So it was you! On one of those rare days when the lighting is just right and you can make out ghostly images inside those buildings, I THOUGHT I saw someone shaking their fist at me! I thought it was just my imagination... OBTW, it was good to meet you on the April ride (and yes! I am getting around to writing up the trip report). See you on the next one? Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 96 01:18:30 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Barre Bull" , "Karl Siebrecht" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC Extra Baggage I do the same with the addition of a sheepskin pad to ptotect the bodywork. I threaded stretch-cord through the sheepskin and formed a loop which goes around the backrest. I also use a tankbag all the time. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Barre Bull Sent: Thursday, May 02, 1996 5:58 PM To: Karl Siebrecht Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage Karl, I use a large water-proof duffle style gym bag with handle on each end. It sits behind the passenger back-rest on the little (for lack of a better word) protudence, then using short bungy cords through the end handles strap it to the passenger handgrips. The bag is flexible so it kinda wraps around the backrest. I also run a bungy cord through the bag's top handle and around the bottom of the backrest all the while making sure that it doesn't interfere with my passengers comfort. Sheesh wonder what people did before the bungy? Anyway, I try to pack only clothes and and light weight stuff in the back so as not to put too much weight on the rear and I can still open the trunk without unstrapping everything. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996, Karl Siebrecht wrote: > Has anyone ever had any luck attaching additional luggage, hard or soft, to > the PC? The trunk is very large, but on cross country treks I am always > forced to bungee. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 21:51:16 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank Bags I know we talked about this before but humor me. I am in the market for a tank bag and need some advice. Thanks. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 22:03:30 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Four Plugs !! ?? >It's embarrasing, but I had seen the two plugs under the air ducts and >deftly put up a mental wall about trying to reconcile that with the layout >of a Vee Twin engine- I just refused to think about it. If the shop guy >had given me two plugs I would have happily changed just the front two. I swear to you I had little idea how many cylinders the PC had when I bought mine. I drove to Atlanta with a roll of 100's and test rode the bike for half an hour and paid to play. I hadn't been on a bike (street) in many years so I trailered the bike home to Alabama. I had no idea it had self canceling turn signals, anti dive forks etc. etc. I did know how to open the trunk, put in gas and pay the man for the bike :-) Like I have said before, I asked my local Honda mechanic what he thought of the PC and he said slow & STONE reliable. Now, knowing myself I knew better than to get a bike that would encourage me to do wheel stands and smokey burn outs. Therefore, the PC was the best choice. I would choose it again ( even after discovering the many hence forth unknown features of the PC). Heck even my Cousin who rides a Harley clone is thinking about getting a PC. Daniel just for the record how many plugs should I ask for ? & how many pounds of seaweed? Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:07:11 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Ventura Bike Packs for PC? At 04:25 PM 5/2/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Folks - > >Do they make, and has anybody tried, the Ventura (modular) Bike Packs for >the PC? I've seen their ads, and pieces of the systems on other types of >bikes, and they look really nifty. I believe they'll add about 50 liters of >carrying capacity. (I'm probably going to see about adding the system to my >Connie, but I haven't, yet.......) I talked with the Ventura Pack people during the Seattle M/C Show back in January and they told me that they did not have a model for the PC (even though it is ideally suited for this luggage system, IMHO) and did not have plans to produce one. Maybe things have changed since then, or maybe we should send Vinnie and Guido to "plea" our case for us? ;-) Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:08:10 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Tank Bags At 09:51 PM 5/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >I know we talked about this before but humor me. I am in the market for a >tank bag and need some advice. About what? Size, brand, attachment strategies? Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 20:43:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 21:01:26 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Saeng droooool...I ordered 4 feet of Saeng today..will report back asap about the results. -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:54:45 -0700 (PDT) To: 73615.1475@CompuServe.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: Re: NICKNAMES Speaking of nicknames... the guys in my motorcycle club (Pegasus MOC) refer to my PC800 as the "Big Red Tomatoe".. Bob Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 2 May 1996 21:00:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 21:17:48 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: names well.... 'Pearl Gurl' works for me... -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 96 07:54:34 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Earthquake Did that earthquake in the NW have a potato-potato rhythm? If so it's a good thing Harley hasn't been granted the patent on that sound yet. Roger (TGIF) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 01:34:21 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Rumblings Did all of the rumblings this past week regarding mufflers (or lack of them)set off the big rumble in the Pacific Northwest??? All you guys out there ok??? Musta sounded worse than a HOG with straightpipes!! Seriously, hope everyone escaped unscathed... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 07:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Four Plugs !! ?? Sheesh, ya know I'm really getting tired of hearing people say the pc is slow, it just ain't so. I personally have done 122 mph on mine and it still had a little left. Last year on my way to Americade a friend on a Magna and I averaged 85 to 90 mph from DC to Altoona, PA out running storms. My friend on the Magna was impressed that the PC could keep up so well. The year before at Honda Hoot 4 of us did a 10 mile stretch of the Great Smokey Mountain national park with all S curves and switchbacks at 50 mph, 2 up. Yeah I like a little speed now and then, and I also like to just cruise, the PC is capable of both. While it's no crotch rocket it will scoot! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 2 May 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >It's embarrasing, but I had seen the two plugs under the air ducts and > >deftly put up a mental wall about trying to reconcile that with the layout > >of a Vee Twin engine- I just refused to think about it. If the shop guy > >had given me two plugs I would have happily changed just the front two. > > I swear to you I had little idea how many cylinders the PC had when I > bought mine. > I drove to Atlanta with a roll of 100's and test rode the bike for half > an hour and paid to play. I hadn't been on a bike (street) in many years > so I trailered the bike home to Alabama. I had no idea it had self > canceling turn signals, anti dive forks etc. etc. I did know how to open > the trunk, put in gas and pay the man for the bike :-) > Like I have said before, I asked my local Honda mechanic what he thought > of the PC and he said slow & STONE reliable. Now, knowing myself I knew > better than to get a bike that would encourage me to do wheel stands and > smokey burn outs. Therefore, the PC was the best choice. I would choose > it again ( even after discovering the many hence forth unknown features > of the PC). Heck even my Cousin who rides a Harley clone is thinking > about getting a PC. > > Daniel just for the record how many plugs should I ask for ? & how many > pounds of seaweed? > > > > > Sincere thanks > Rick Fisher > dentfan@iquest.com > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! > http://members.aol.com/dentman711 > > Rick Fisher > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > > ******************************************************************** > **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" > ;-) > **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? > > $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ > ******************************************************************** > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 07:24:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 07:23:18 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: rumblings I thought it was the new F6 Valkryies being delivered.... It was -- interesting. What mas more annoying than the quake was the 1.5 hours of MINDLESS REPETITIVE MORONIC news coverage that followed. They pre-empted ER!!! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:40:06 -0400 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Tank Bags I want to know the brand and madel you are using and why its good or bad. I am aware that the bag needs to be a 3 point system or I will need to glue magnets, or sew in suction cups. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-05-02 22:09:45 EDT At 09:51 PM 5/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >I know we talked about this before but humor me. I am in the market for a >tank bag and need some advice. About what? Size, brand, attachment strategies? Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 08:56:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Barre Bull Cc: Dentman711@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Four Plugs !! ?? On Fri, 3 May 1996, Barre Bull wrote: > Sheesh, ya know I'm really getting tired of hearing people say the pc is > slow, it just ain't so. I personally have done 122 mph on mine and it > still had a little left. Last year on my way to Americade a friend on a > Magna and I averaged 85 to 90 mph from DC to Altoona, PA out running > storms. My friend on the Magna was impressed that the PC could keep up so > well. The year before at Honda Hoot 4 of us did a 10 mile stretch of the > Great Smokey Mountain national park with all S curves and switchbacks at > 50 mph, 2 up. Yeah I like a little speed now and then, and I also like > to just cruise, the PC is capable of both. While it's no crotch rocket > it will scoot! Agreed. I have done over 100 miles in an hour a couple times on mine, although it seems to top out just under 120. (perhaps its my porcine 220 lbs. + gear :) It really is easy to ride at 90+. Perhaps we shouldn't say it's slow, just that its acceleration is virtually non-existent. The aerodynamic styling (which non-fans call ugliness) really helps the top end, it would seem. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:10:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage Hi Karl: I use an Eclipse Tank Bag and an Eclipse Tail Pack to supplement the PC's storage capacity when necessary. If I need even more space, I also have the Hondaline Backpack system, which works very nicely. (I use this same stuff along with a set of Eclipse Saddle Bags on my Hawk GT when I'm in a more sporting mood) The Tail Pack sits on the passenger seat (I normally do not carry a passenger); it has built-in bungees that hook onto the grap rails. It has a main section plus two side pockets and a rear pocket. I use it to carry my rain gear, bike cover, extra gloves, jacket liners, etc. It does a nice job, and I think it looks good. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:00:53 -0400 To: eryork@nmsu.edu, bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us cc: Dentman711@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speed??? Well guys, I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without going beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'karl@nvti.cudenver.edu'" Subject: RE: PC Extra Baggage Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:12:12 -0700 When camping and riding 2-up I strap extra gear on both sides of the passenger seat and behind the backrest. I use 4 ft. long nylon straps, fold them in half, and thread the loose ends through the loop after wrapping them around the grab rails. In the end there are 3 straps on either side of the bike evenly distributed along the grab rails. I strap the 2 foam pads, small tent, and a bag of rainwear/cold weather gear on the two sides. Behind the backrest goes the sleeping bag. All secure tightly and neatly. Once the passenger climbs on it kind of looks like an easy chair on the back. A large Chase Harper Euro tankbag goes up front with me. I've used this setup on trips from 2 to 12 days. You can carry an AWFUL lot if you know how to pack. One of these days I'll get my pictures of this and other things on the web site. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:41:55 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank bag attach Hi-- How do you hook the tank bag on? Sorry if I missed earlier discussions on this. Bob Clancy, NM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 03 May 1996 11:52:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 12:01:58 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Web page In case you haven't stumbled across it already, I've put out an update to the web page. I've added a link to Todd Zedak's registry and added a form for making submissions to the registry. The data on the form is emailed to Todd and he adds it to the registry. The use of the form is pretty experimental at this point but I would like your feedback on the form. Look at the questions asked and see if there are too many or if there are some questions that you think are missing. As you look at the form, I would like you to think about whether it is an appropriate length. There is a delicate balance between making a questionaire so complete that it asks every possible question but it takes so long to fill out that nobody answers it versus making it so short that almost everybody answers it but the depth of information is completely lacking. One of the ideas that Todd and I have been kicking around is to produce not only the registry which lists information by the individual but another section which summarizes the info such as percent of registrants who own a PC, distribution of years owned, percentage bought new, distribution of ages (owners and/or bikes), etc. I was interested to see the SuperTrapp thread which looked like our group has gotten at least one vendor's attention. I think that the more we are organized (be it ever so loosely), the more we have a voice in the industry with vendors like Rifle, Corbin, SuperTrapp, and others, and ultimately Honda. I think the registry is one way of maintaining this presence within the motorcycling industry. As always, thanks for the input. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 96 15:01:16 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: GuntherSki@aol.com, "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Speed??? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/03/96 15:02 ## What do you have for tires? What's your mph at exactly 5000rpm? It's not one of those slow '89s, is it? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/03/96 14:00 ## Well guys, I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without going beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: eryork@nmsu.edu, bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us, Dentman711@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed??? You sure are, Gunther. You can't redline a PC in fifth. On Fri, 3 May 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Well guys, > > I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without going > beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? > > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'KlassC@aol.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Re: Tank Bags Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:35:56 -0700 I have a black Chase Harper Euro 1500. It's a big bag with lots of pockets and a separate lower compartment. Best features are the plastic stiffeners to hold it's shape, map pocket that's easy to remove and flips over to the backside in an instant, and the lid will fasten shut easily with zippers and/or velcro. This bag is very easy to get into and find what you're looking for. The bag is fastened with the 3-pt system. The forward strap is held in place by the top shelter. The strap is to the outside of the 2 tabs that bold the shelter to the bike. The strap lays flat and slips between the dash panels and top shelter. The rear strap is between the seat and the top shelter. There's a metal bar it can loop around under the seat. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:43:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Auto vs Bike Oil I know, I know, we have had this discussion before. But, I just got a direct mail from Motorcycle Consumer News. First, they are running a deal. Two years for $29.00! The second is their report on Castrol GTX vs. Honda HP4. They had a lab run a number of tests and prooved that there was nothing in the Honda oil, that was not in the Castrol GTX (aside from it being synthetic). And, the GTX performed better! After spending $25.00 (ripped off!) on my oil change that I did today I am thinking that next time I will switch to Castrol GTX. Now, someone mentioned that they changed their rear end fluid and was amazed at how dirty it was. Though I have only 950 miles on my 95, I figured it was cheap enough to take a look. WOW! The oil was black, and clealy had a fair amount of metal in the oil. I flushed it with some SAE80, and when it ran clean filled it up. I strongly suggest that everyone out there disregard the manual and check their fluid. If I am overlooking something. Or anyone has any advice, pass it on. Chris 95 PC800 950miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Earthquake Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:46:43 -0700 I was working late at the office with everything started shaking. Longest earthquake I can recall -- about 30 seconds. A few pictures fell over on my desk and the tape dispenser walked about 6 inches. The metal venetian blinds on the windows made a big racket swinging back and forth. They'd swing out from the window about 18 inches and crash against the frame and window. Of course the TV news crews went nuts and we had to sit through 2 hours of coverage of hearing how there was no damage and listen to eyewitnesses say they freaked out. The Mariners baseball game in the Kingdome was suspended. We get the same sensationalist news coverage and people freaking out when it snows. They've already named it Earthquake 96 since we already had Windblow '96. \"/ I'm leaving in 5 hours for my ride to San Jose. I can't wait for a vacation. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM[SMTP:Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM] >Sent: Friday, May 03, 1996 12:54 AM >To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM >Subject: Earthquake > > >Did that earthquake in the NW have a potato-potato rhythm? If so >it's a good thing Harley hasn't been granted the patent on that sound >yet. > >Roger (TGIF) > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:00:54 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: OILS I'm not surprised at black oil in the driveshaft. It seems to me that during break-in, there would be lots of teeny-teeny metal particles turned loose; later on I'd expect the stuff would stay much cleaner, as it does in my well-broken-in Beemer. Which is also, by modern standards, very slow (but it still keeps me grinnin'). Bob NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:39:54 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: pc800 speed I have one of those 'slow '89s' with a few turns shy of 30k hard earned city miles on it. In the back woods of Wyoming last year I ran 120mph with my 250lbs. 5'6" frame sticking above the tall windscreen. It had more to go. I don't feel the PC is race caliber, but in the daily stoplight race to/from work every day I KNOW it is quick if not fast. The flat torque curve the PC sports is wonderful. Thanks to all on the answers to the extra baggage question. Got some good ideas! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:52:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rumblings Thanks, Steve Gross, for pointing out the moronic ramblings of the local press! The press down here in Portland (200 miles away) actually did some pre-empting too! This morning they were actually interviewing a janitor at Portland State University who was on the 2nd floor of a campus building and FELT THE EARTHQUAKE! The moron with the microphone said "Did it scare you?" (I'm not kidding!) and the janitor just looked at her and said "I'm from California." End of interview. Tim (still shakin'--from laughter) Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:52:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Extra Baggage JT and I think alike, it seems. I also have the Eclipse expandable tank bag (I love it) and the Eclipse Fast Pack (That's your Tail Pack, right, JT?). I got the Fast Pack when I had a cruiser, but it works great on the back of the PC. It has hide-away hooks, a large main compartment, and three outside pockets. It has a rain cover, a carrying handle and a shoulder strap for off-bike use. It's about $90 in the Dennis Kirk catalog. I agree with JT--its also a great-looking bag. With those two items, it about doubles the carrying capacity of the PC. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: Father/son team To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu After making fun of my "dumb little motor scooter" for the past two years, my dear old father went out and bought his own PC 800, making us the only father/son team I know of. He lives about 100 miles away and we haven' ridden them together yet - but I was wondering: Are there any other father/son PC teams out there? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: GuntherSki@aol.com cc: eryork@nmsu.edu, Dentman711@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed??? Yeah ya must be missing a gear or it may be a weight thing...I'm only 165 lbs but I've had it to 95 mph 2 up...would have tried for more but the lady on the back was starting to leave large bruises on my back ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 3 May 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Well guys, > > I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without going > beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? > > Z > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Richard A. Hardy" cc: GuntherSki@aol.com, eryork@nmsu.edu, Dentman711@aol.com, Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed??? Richard is right Gunther, you can't redline a PC in 5th, god knows I've tried ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 3 May 1996, Richard A. Hardy wrote: > You sure are, Gunther. You can't redline a PC in fifth. > > On Fri, 3 May 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > > Well guys, > > > > I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without going > > beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? > > > > Z > > -- > > Visit the PC800 web page at > > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Michael A Jones cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Father/son team Mike, I don't know if there are any other father and son teams out there but on my way back from North Carolina in '92 I met a husband and wife team. They were from Canada and had ridden their identical 90's with trailers down to the Outer Banks and were on their way back home. They had traded in their Gold Wings for the PC's and liked them better than the Wings. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 3 May 1996, Michael A Jones wrote: > After making fun of my "dumb little motor scooter" for the past two > years, my dear old father went out and bought his own PC 800, making us the > only father/son team I know of. He lives about 100 miles away and we > haven' ridden them together yet - but I was wondering: > > Are there any other father/son PC teams out there? > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 May 1996 17:16:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 17:14:34 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Father/son team Mike, how about brothers? Dave & I are both in Seattle, got an 89 and a 90 at the same time, from the same dealer! Now you & your Dad can do a Father's day run together! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 4 May 1996 10:40:21 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ascon de Vries To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Speed??? Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 10:06:14 +0200 You must be missing a gear ? Mine ('89) will do 125 mph easily. Since I don't want to end as a = sticker on the back of a van I had to make a difficult choice: Either = look at the RPM's or the speedometer. However I don't think it will get = in the red zone in 5th gear. My weight is 110 kilo's without my ridinggear on ! ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com[SMTP:GuntherSki@aol.com] Sent: vrijdag 3 mei 1996 20:00 To: eryork@nmsu.edu; bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us Cc: Dentman711@aol.com; Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speed??? Well guys,=20 I must have gotten a slow PC because my won't go over about 107 without = going beyond redline. Am I missing a gear? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 08:57:32 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: 90 PC800 For Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Wanted to pass on to our Left Coasters, an ad in the latest HSTA newsletter. For Sale: 1990 PC800, red, tall windshield, 7k miles. My wife loves this bike, but she can't ride since the baby came. $4250 obob, Kurt Warren, CA (408) 730-5221 Seems to be an attractive offer for such low mileage. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:12:17 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: PC For Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Wanted to pass on to our Left Coasters, an ad in the latest HSTA newsletter. For Sale: 1990 PC800, red, tall windshield, 7k miles. My wife loves this bike, but she can't ride since the baby came. $4250 obob, Kurt Warren, CA (408) 730-5221 Seems to be an attractive offer for such low mileage. Ride Safe, Dave Lott For the information for anyone on the Left Coast, the following ad appeared in the March/April issue of the HSTA newsletter: For Sale: 1990 PC800, red, tall windshield, 7K miles. My wife loves this bike, but she can't ride since the baby came. $4250 obo. Kurt Warren, CA (408) 730-5221 Seems to be a very reasonable price assuming the bike is in good shape. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 20:04:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speed..... Hello All, I don't have the "slow '80", I have the super fast black '94, however, these claims of over 120mph cannot go unchallenged. After reading the recent posts (claims....) and ran out to the local salb with recorder in hand (pocket) and compiled the results that follow. I recorded my speed in each gear at 4K rpm and 5K rpm. I have calculated the rest. I personally have cruised, two up and fully loaded for some time at 85mph. I seem to remember spinning along at about 6K rpm. I have seen 95mph on the speed-o-meter. However, unless my physics is goofy, speed is a function of engine speed (rpm) and gearing. The only way to go faster is to gear lower or spin the motor faster. Given the PC's gearing, I don't understand how anyone could see the other side of 110mph, much less 120+mph. mph 1K 2K 3K 4K 5K 6K 7K 7.5K 1st 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 34 2nd 8 3 11 19 27 35 43 51 55 3rd 11 4 15 26 37 48 59 70 75.5 4th 14 8 22 36 50 64 78 92 99 5th 14 18 32 46 60 74 88 102 109 I await any thoughts. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 20:44:08 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Speed..... I must admit that today I went out to try this SPEED thing. And I must agree with gunther. I really don't see how 120 would be possible --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-05-04 20:05:41 EDT Hello All, I don't have the "slow '80", I have the super fast black '94, however, these claims of over 120mph cannot go unchallenged. After reading the recent posts (claims....) and ran out to the local salb with recorder in hand (pocket) and compiled the results that follow. I recorded my speed in each gear at 4K rpm and 5K rpm. I have calculated the rest. I personally have cruised, two up and fully loaded for some time at 85mph. I seem to remember spinning along at about 6K rpm. I have seen 95mph on the speed-o-meter. However, unless my physics is goofy, speed is a function of engine speed (rpm) and gearing. The only way to go faster is to gear lower or spin the motor faster. Given the PC's gearing, I don't understand how anyone could see the other side of 110mph, much less 120+mph. mph 1K 2K 3K 4K 5K 6K 7K 7.5K 1st 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 34 2nd 8 3 11 19 27 35 43 51 55 3rd 11 4 15 26 37 48 59 70 75.5 4th 14 8 22 36 50 64 78 92 99 5th 14 18 32 46 60 74 88 102 109 I await any thoughts. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:38:29 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Speed Trials To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu With regard to this discussion of top speeds . . . Just the other day I was cruising along and I was going down a long, long steep, steep hill. There was a pretty good wind at my back, the sun was beaming in my face. Yes, I thought I was going at a pretty good clip. I glanced down at the speedo and it was registering 110 . . . and then I woke up from a perfectly good dream. Who knows, maybe the PC's speedometer is as accurate as its fuel gauge. Safe Riding, Dave Lott 89 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 May 96 21:36:40 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Subject: Canadian PC Riders Barre', Those two Canadian PC riders you met are friends of mine. Their names are Getan & Denise Denni. I haven't heard from them since '92, but Getan is the man who made my PC trailer hitch. They live in Montreal and, I beleive, denise riders hers all over the city doing some kind of messenger service. Getan works for the Canadian version of the INS. Very nice folks. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 May 1996 18:58:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 18:58:55 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: gears word has it that the Candy Red 96 has different gears than the rest of us...could account for the extra mph... _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 23:55:44 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed..... Hi all: I basically agree with Gunther. Using the spec reduction and gear ratios and a measured circumferance of the ML2+ on the rear of my '89 (74.6 inches), I come up with a speed at 7500 rpm in 5th gear of a shade over 115 mph. The best my '89 with the tall Honda windscreen has done on level ground with no wind is an indicated 115 mph. If you factor in nominal speedometer and tachometer errors, Gunther's numbers seem about right to me. If someone were to run a properly inflated, new rear tire (maximum speed for a given rpm) and a ready-for-replacement front tire (maximum speedometer error) on a PC with the small windscreen (minimum drag) it might be possible to indicate in the vicinity of 120 mph, but I suspect the actual speed would still be in the vicinity of 110 mph. To get an honest 120 mph, you're going to need an honest 7800 rpm in 5th gear, and that is going to take a significant tailwind and/or down grade (or perhaps some nitrous oxide or a turbo supercharger). :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 21:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed..... On Sat, 4 May 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I don't have the "slow '80", I have the super fast black '94, however, these > claims of over 120mph cannot go unchallenged. After reading the recent posts > (claims....) and ran out to the local salb with recorder in hand (pocket) and > compiled the results that follow. I recorded my speed in each gear at 4K rpm > and 5K rpm. I have calculated the rest. I personally have cruised, two up > and fully loaded for some time at 85mph. I seem to remember spinning along at > about 6K rpm. I have seen 95mph on the speed-o-meter. However, unless my > physics is goofy, speed is a function of engine speed (rpm) and gearing. The > only way to go faster is to gear lower or spin the motor faster. Given the > PC's gearing, I don't understand how anyone could see the other side of > 110mph, much less 120+mph. > > mph 1K 2K 3K 4K 5K 6K 7K 7.5K > 1st 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 34 > 2nd 8 3 11 19 27 35 43 51 55 > 3rd 11 4 15 26 37 48 59 70 75.5 > 4th 14 8 22 36 50 64 78 92 99 > 5th 14 18 32 46 60 74 88 102 109 > > I await any thoughts. > O.K., Gunther - first, you show 60 mph @ 5K rpm. My normal riding speed to work down I-5 is 72-74 mph. At that speed, my tach is *between* 4 & 5K, around 4700 - 4800 (I'll check for sure tomorrow), but *definitely under* 5K. Yet, you show only 60mph at 5K. I believe you, but it sure is mysterious. I have no explanation. Also, you state that you recorded at 4K and 5K and then *calculated* the rest, i.e., it appears that you assumed that the 14 mph difference btwn 4K and 5K would be the same for each additional 1K of rpm. I don't *think* it works that way, but I would sure like to know for sure. Can anyone out there help? On a final note (for this post), I got mine up to 115 on what I thought was a level road. I suppose I could have had a tail wind and not known it, but I do know that I was not redlined. Richard > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 21:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Subject: PC speeds A couple of things I forgot to mention in my reply post to Gunther a few minutes ago is that I had my speedo checked professionally, i.e., in a shop that is set up for that (costs $35) and it was DEAD ACCURATE at all speeds up to 85 mph, which was as high as they checked it. I was surprised that it was that accurate. I know, I know - change tires or inflation and that can affect it. Still, I always run Dunlops K177s and I check my inflation weekly and it varies only a pound or two. Also, I should mention that at 115 I had the Hondaline high shield on. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 01:31:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 90 PC800 I am very interested in purchasing a 1990 PC800. Hopefully with relatively low miles and good tires. Extras that would be nice: backrest, stereo, and mats for the trunk. I would appreciate any info on bikes that are available, especially in Southern California. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 08:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: GuntherSki@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed..... Gee, you must have been afraid to give it more throttle. No "claims" as to speed, just fact. Perhaps you just got a slow 94. And as to the physics part...physics says a curve ball is impossible. ;) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sat, 4 May 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I don't have the "slow '80", I have the super fast black '94, however, these > claims of over 120mph cannot go unchallenged. After reading the recent posts > (claims....) and ran out to the local salb with recorder in hand (pocket) and > compiled the results that follow. I recorded my speed in each gear at 4K rpm > and 5K rpm. I have calculated the rest. I personally have cruised, two up > and fully loaded for some time at 85mph. I seem to remember spinning along at > about 6K rpm. I have seen 95mph on the speed-o-meter. However, unless my > physics is goofy, speed is a function of engine speed (rpm) and gearing. The > only way to go faster is to gear lower or spin the motor faster. Given the > PC's gearing, I don't understand how anyone could see the other side of > 110mph, much less 120+mph. > > mph 1K 2K 3K 4K 5K 6K 7K 7.5K > 1st 4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32 34 > 2nd 8 3 11 19 27 35 43 51 55 > 3rd 11 4 15 26 37 48 59 70 75.5 > 4th 14 8 22 36 50 64 78 92 99 > 5th 14 18 32 46 60 74 88 102 109 > > I await any thoughts. > > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 08:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> cc: PC800 Subject: Re: Canadian PC Riders Cory, Yep they are the ones, Getan told me he was an officer with the equivalent of our border patrol. If you should run across them say hello for me. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On 4 May 1996, Cory S. Estes wrote: > Barre', > > Those two Canadian PC riders you met are friends of mine. Their names are > Getan & Denise Denni. I haven't heard from them since '92, but Getan is the man > who made my PC trailer hitch. > > They live in Montreal and, I beleive, denise riders hers all over the city doing > some kind of messenger service. Getan works for the Canadian version of the > INS. > > Very nice folks. > > Later, > > Cory "Ride Solo" > '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 > '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 08:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Richard A. Hardy" cc: PC800 Subject: Re: PC speeds Thank you Richard! I have the stock windshield and also am very careful about tire inflation, not to mention since I do like to ride fast as well as tour tend to get new tires about every 9,000 miles (I usually buy the tires at rallies where dunlop has the best prices and will put them on for no extra charge.). Anyway, I really didn't mean to start a big bruhaha. But tell ya what, everyone that thinks they can't do more than 110 on a PC just find a nice quiet fairly good road and kick it in the butt and see what it will do. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sat, 4 May 1996, Richard A. Hardy wrote: > A couple of things I forgot to mention in my reply post to Gunther a few > minutes ago is that I had my speedo checked professionally, i.e., in a > shop that is set up for that (costs $35) and it was DEAD ACCURATE at all > speeds up to 85 mph, which was as high as they checked it. I was > surprised that it was that accurate. I know, I know - change tires or > inflation and that can affect it. Still, I always run Dunlops K177s and > I check my inflation weekly and it varies only a pound or two. Also, I > should mention that at 115 I had the Hondaline high shield on. > > Richard > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 11:09:52 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed..... JT gives the final word...... I didn't really mean to start a big thing : ) about whose is faster than whose, I just wanted to make sure that mine wasn't SLOWER than anyone else's. Plus, that's what this is great for, stirring the pot.... Gunther ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 04:45:26 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Honda radio Had my "new" '89 less than a week and some scum bag snapped my antenna off in a parking lot. Aarrgggghhhh!!! I wish I was his/her proctologist!!! The radio is a stock Honda/Kenwood. I called three Honda shops and none of them could even find a part number. One of the parts guys is going to check with Honda to see if he can fine a number. Does anyone know if of an after market antenna that will work on the bracket? Please give me a holler. Also, I didn't receive a manual for the radio and, in my budding electronic genius mind, I can't come up with the solution for presetting stations. Can anyone help?? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 13:14:58 -0500 From: Bill Fortenberry To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Honda radio > Does anyone know of an after market antenna that will work on the > bracket? Please give me a holler. > > Also, I didn't receive a manual for the radio and, in my budding > electronic genius mind, I can't come up with the solution for presetting > stations. Can anyone help?? Antenna - I never did put the antenna that came with the radio on the bike. I was afraid mine would meet the same fate as yours, or that I would swing my leg over one day and kick it off. I used an antenna from Radio Shack thats made to be used on a car windshield. It has a regular connector that will fit the PC radio, but then consists of a thin wire on tape. I ran it around the inside of the trunk lid and keep it in place with some duct tape. Presets - Tune the radio to the station you want to preset. Press the memory button on the radio (the part in the trunk). CH will flash on the display. Now press the Preset switch (on the handlebar). That will store the station. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Trip To Dallas Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 11:18:10 -0700 Ok guys, I'm planning a trip to Dallas (from Flagstaff,AZ) next month. This will be my longest trip on the bike (2124 miles, round trip). What do you think a good day in miles would be? 400,500,600? I know some of you have experience on long trips. Where is the "danger zone" at 400-500 miles? Let me know. Thanks! ADGray ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 05 May 1996 15:54:39 -0500 (CDT) 05 May 1996 16:54:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 16:54:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu On my last trip, the first one made on the PC, I handled 350/400 miles, in very adverse conditions, with ease. These were interstate miles, but included running through a major city. The first part of the trip I was riding in strong cross winds, with a lot of truck traffic. I could only handle 50/60 miles without getting off and catching my breath. The second 2/3's of trip the wind dropped and I rode the gas tank empty at 5,000 rpm. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Alexander D. Gray" cc: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas AD, I would strongly suggest that you find your own limit. Since we all have different riding styles, stamina and the such, one man's ride could be another's killer. When I've been on long rides I tend to not set a distance but ride til I think I shouldn't ride anymore. On occaision I have found that the second day of riding is the hardest for me. First day is no prob I can go for what seems forever, third day is also fairly easy. Don't know why this is but it's me. I've done 600 or so in a day but I had a schedule to keep and I was with other riders which also tends to make it easier. Then there is the "numb butt" factor. And if you push to hard you miss alot of neat stuff going by you. Have fun, Ride Smart! Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sun, 5 May 1996, Alexander D. Gray wrote: > Ok guys, I'm planning a trip to Dallas (from Flagstaff,AZ) next month. This will be my longest trip on the bike (2124 miles, round trip). > > What do you think a good day in miles would be? 400,500,600? > I know some of you have experience on long trips. Where is the "danger zone" at 400-500 miles? Let me know. > > Thanks! > ADGray > for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 20:35:51 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 20:28:42 -0700 From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: PC800 Subject: Re: gears David Gross wrote: > > word has it that the Candy Red 96 has different gears than the rest of > us...could account for the extra mph... > > _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Dave Gross > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html > http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. All, I will have to "Check this out" on the freeway tomorrow on my '96 ;) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Barre Bull Cc: PC800 Subject: Re: PC speeds I don't think we should ever worry about "starting a bruhaha", Barre'. I think that's one of the fun things about this list. Also, I've noticed that the few times that things have gotten a little hot, I've been impressed by the fact that the list members have readily admitted to putting their "mouths" in gear before their brains were fully engaged. That takes character, as the natural urge is to adamantly "prove you're right", i.e., we're not afraid to admit we were wrong, and to me that makes the discussions much more valuable. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 20:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas You should think in terms of hours-per-day, not miles. Stop when you want, and you will soon discover your own personal average mph for the day, e.g., I usually ride 10 hrs/day from start to stop, and average 45 mph - this includes all stops - gas, scenery, bladder, food, etc., but *not* hours to visit a paticular site. Also, the natural tendency is to keep riding during the evening, and get that extra 100 miles in before finding a motel or campsite. I've found this to be a mistake. Stop earlier enough so that you can unhurriedly set up camp, check-in, shower, eat, etc. before its late at night. I've found that by stopping with 1-2 hours of daylight left, I enjoy the ride more and have more energy the next day. This is me, and I'm 62, so you'll have to find your own comfort level, but I think you should consider the above. Of course if you're goal is only to get from point A to point B, then your only guideline is to have enough sense to know when its time to rest and not squeeze out those extra miles. Richard On Sun, 5 May 1996, Alexander D. Gray wrote: > Ok guys, I'm planning a trip to Dallas (from Flagstaff,AZ) next month. This will be my longest trip on the bike (2124 miles, round trip). > > What do you think a good day in miles would be? 400,500,600? > I know some of you have experience on long trips. Where is the "danger zone" at 400-500 miles? Let me know. > > Thanks! > ADGray > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 May 1996 21:46:02 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 21:44:44 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas Alex, it'll depend on how much endurance you've built up. When I started, 100-150 miles tired me out -- Now I can do 300-400 without blinking, and 500 if I get a good night sleep the night before. also, freeway miles are less physically tiring for me, but harder mentally 'cuz I find it harder to stay alert than when one the twisties, where lack of alertness = serious bodily harm. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 May 1996 21:55:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 22:13:29 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trunk spoiler. ok...I lost the MILPITAS web page URL..and I REALLY want to try and find a trunk spoiler for my Pearl '89. someone help me find it. my PurlGurl is VERY sick. Died on me this weekend. Woke up to a dead battery...managed to jump it a few different times, then finally quit completely..Tom at Lake City said it sounds like Stator, which caused something else to fail, which caused two of the spark plugs to stop firing which caused fuel to flood the cylinders...and the seepage around the head gasket isn't looking any better. She'll be down for two weeks at least till we find out all thats wrong..WHAAAAAAA. I've downloaded the archives about the stator for my mechanic. he was award of Hondas 'secret' warranty and seems to be very willing to go to bat for me. I'll keep ya'll posted. man..that ACE is looking pretty darned good. -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 May 96 02:33:31 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: Pc800 owners Cc: Erin Dolin Subject: Saturday Ride Hi there, Wow, just a couple of days away to beautiful Lake Tahoe and lots of messages (about 230). Erin, thanks for the excellent report on our Saturday ride. Now I exactly know where we went. It sure was a beautiful trip with gorgious weather. Once again, may thanks. I know the bike I rented was not a perfect example of a Connie, but I must say that I prefer to ride the HPC BTW if anyone is interested in the 70 percent proof - fire water- called jenever, come to Holland, we'll go for a ride along the dikes etcetera and have some fire water later, because we don't drink and ride :-) Today I found two ads in the Sacramento Bee (Sunday, May 5): Great Buy: Honda 89 PC 50k mi, $3500, 971-1023 Honda Pacific Coast '95 2500 mi, $6500, Lic till '97, Like new, Pgr 954-5252, aft 6pm 682-1274 Bye for now Willem van Alderwerelt ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk spoiler. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 May 1996 01:20:29 -0500 Lines: 27 >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: DG> ok...I lost the MILPITAS web page URL..and I REALLY want to try and DG> find a trunk spoiler for my Pearl '89. someone help me find it. Wow, that's not in the archives. Well, it will be come 3AM. Here it is: Honda of Milpitas page: DG> my PurlGurl is VERY sick. Died on me this weekend. Ooh, that's bad. Keep us posted. You know, I think is probably the worst series of mechanical problems I can recall hearing about. Let's hope Honda does their part to make things come out OK. DG> man..that ACE is looking pretty darned good. You must have a different definition of good than I. In your shoes, I'd be thinking "ST1100...ST1100". (I've actually been thinking "ST1100" more than just a bit lately since I have Kuroneko/Kurobuta's title free and clear, but like everything else they're too expensive. I just can't see getting rid of the PC, though.) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 96 07:50:12 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Robert_Mathews)_rmathews@us1.net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: gears ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/06/96 07:48 ## After the changes from '89 to '90 I don't believe anything has changed except the color. Roger Prince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Robert Mathews) rmathews@us1.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/05/96 20:28 ## David Gross wrote: > > word has it that the Candy Red 96 has different gears than the rest of > us...could account for the extra mph... > > _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Dave Gross > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html > http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. All, I will have to "Check this out" on the freeway tomorrow on my '96 ;) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 08:38:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas Hi Alex: The danger zone on any ride is when you can no longer devote 100% of your attention to the tasks of riding. When you find yourself thinking about any physical discomforts you may have (numb butt, helmet hot spot, aches and pains, etc), it is time to stop for an extended break if not for the day. A preoccupied brain is the cause of nearly all riding mishaps. When riding by myself I prefer to limit things to about 450 miles a day (less if I'm "seeing the sights" or traveling with others). I usually do that distance with just two gas/rest stops. However, I've done many 600+ mile days on my PC with no problems; my longest was a bit over 900. However, I don't run that long unless I simply have to be some place by a certain time and I can't adjust my schedule to start any earlier. If you have to put in a long day (more than 450 miles), take frequent breaks, and make the interval between breaks shorter as the day progresses. I usually start off running until I need to stop for fuel. Then, as the day wears on, I stop once between fueling stops, and finally I make a brief stop about once an hour until I get where I'm going. Have a good ride. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:09:03 -0400 To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas WOW!!! That's along one alright. I just completed a trip from Chicago to Des Moines, IA and back. About 720 miles RT. I was able to motor along at about 75 to 85 for an hour andd a half, then I needed a butt break. It took about 6 hours. It was also about 50 degrees and very windy. I have the Rifle +4 windshield as well. I could have gone another 2 hour stint but much more than that would have been painful. I don't know if that's because I'm not used to it or because I wore ever piece of outdoor gear I own to stay warm. Good Luck, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:13:08 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk spoiler. Dave, You have our sympathy. Where can we send flowers? Z for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:35:12 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Ray To: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: RE: pc800 speed Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:09:18 -0500 Jivin Karl lays it down: > with my 250lbs. 5'6" frame sticking above the tall windscreen Really. 250lbs, 5'6"? Sticking above the tall windscreen? I don't mean to be rude, but wouldn't someone of this build be more likely to stick **around** the windscreen? Did you perhaps mean 6'5"???? Bob Ray PS. Rode the Nighthawk to New Orleans this weekend for the jazz festival. 900mi. round-trip. The stock seat got **pretty** uncomfortable around 300 miles. Stopping every 60 miles to rub your butt does not make for a high-mileage day!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:51:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: RE: pc800 speed Boy, oh boy, you are pointing the finger now. I sure hope you were right about the typo ;-) As a 200lb 5'11" guy I will bet my head isn't the only thing peeking outside the windscreen. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: raybob@Traveller.COM (Bob Ray) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ('PC800 mail list') Date: 96-05-06 10:26:53 EDT Jivin Karl lays it down: > with my 250lbs. 5'6" frame sticking above the tall windscreen Really. 250lbs, 5'6"? Sticking above the tall windscreen? I don't mean to be rude, but wouldn't someone of this build be more likely to stick **around** the windscreen? Did you perhaps mean 6'5"???? Bob Ray PS. Rode the Nighthawk to New Orleans this weekend for the jazz festival. 900mi. round-trip. The stock seat got **pretty** uncomfortable around 300 miles. Stopping every 60 miles to rub your butt does not make for a high-mileage day!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 09:25:43 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speed If I owned a PC, I'd be obliged to go out and do some personal fact-finding re: top speed! Until then, I'm forced to make do with reading... For what it's worth, I got an Ian Smith reprint package that had tests from Cycle, Cycle World, etc. Their numbers (slightly different) were: Top speed @ redline: 115-117 (wouldn't pull it) Measured top speed: 106-107 Speedo error (actual @ 60mph indicated): 56 - 56.5 It's interesting that, if the bike does have that speedo error, 106 would look like about 114. For this being a controversial topic, you folks sure are polite! Bob Clancy NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 11:44:51 -0700 From: "Keith W. Rogers" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I'm back. I started out from Portland at 12:30 pm on Wednesday 5/1/96 and arrived in Austin Sunday night at 10:39 pm. I tried to send this last night but my provider was down. Anywho, traaveling is fun but I'm glad to be home. BTW, I unsubscribed from the list while I was on the road. I didn't want my mailbox to overflow. Let me know if I missed any "must-read-PC" news. re-intro: Name: Keith W. Rogers Location: Austin, Texas Email: rogersk@eden.com PC Model year: 1989 Bought used from Gail Grabill on 5/1/96. Modifications: Metzeler tires. -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Trip To Dallas To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Speaking of long rides has there been any PC rider in the Iron Butt? I read Ed Otto's ride on a Helix(!) in MCN and figured somebody should do it with a PC. The most I've ridden in a day was around 600 miles but I figure a backrest would help. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 May 96 13:32:25 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: "\"Waldo E. Meeks\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: dilemma Don't turn in your key, you earned the right to be here!!!! Thats what makes these darn computers so fun...you never know whats gonna turn up.....people can only read print but not "read" the manner in which it was inputed...much like hearing it makes it sound different, the mannerism in which it was delivered, by its tone of voice makes the outcome.... .so what if a motorcycle is loud as long as it's not mine.....then I know it's working fine...grin.. INVHOO Fireman Joe ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'billf@cybertron.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Honda radio Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:33:50 -0700 Ask the dealer to look up the part numbers for the Honda Helix radio and antenna. I was reading the Scoot-Tours newsletter recently (national Scooter club) and it mentioned the radio and who could get it cheap. I was going to follow up and investigate the radio for the PC800 group here but haven't had a chance. If there's something that fit's a Helix it will probably fit a PC. I'm buried in work right now. Could someone make a call and find out. Maybe Milpitas Honda can help. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" Subject: RE: Trunk spoiler. Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 13:46:55 -0700 Sorry to hear the news Dave. And the sun was just starting to come out here in Seattle.... Speaking of a rear spoiler, I think I saw one up on the wall at University Honda some months back. Pearl white and full of dust it's been there so long. It's back in the parts area way up high on the wall. Give 'em a call I guess. Another place I think I saw them was at Bent Bike. I was looking for scooter parts at the time and I came across one. This is several years ago and at the time I didn't know what it was. Another place to check I guess. URL is http://www.boulevards.com/billboards/honda/ for Milpitas Honda. Almost rode by there store this weekend. Details to come later as to how my 1005 mile ride to San Jose was this weekend. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dave Gross[SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 05, 1996 3:13 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Trunk spoiler. > >ok...I lost the MILPITAS web page URL..and I REALLY want to try and >find a >trunk spoiler for my Pearl '89. someone help me find it. > >my PurlGurl is VERY sick. Died on me this weekend. Woke up to a dead >battery...managed to jump it a few different times, then finally quit >completely..Tom at Lake City said it sounds like Stator, which caused >something else to fail, which caused two of the spark plugs to stop >firing >which caused fuel to flood the cylinders...and the seepage around the >head >gasket isn't looking any better. She'll be down for two weeks at least >till >we find out all thats wrong..WHAAAAAAA. I've downloaded the archives >about the stator for my mechanic. he was award of Hondas 'secret' >warranty and seems to be very willing to go to bat for me. I'll keep >ya'll >posted. > >man..that ACE is looking pretty darned good. >-- > > >_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >Dave Gross > >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html >http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 16:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: 9312 cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed Bob, Well I wouldn't say polite, we all love our PC's or we wouldn't have them (it's that kind of bike) so I think it's more of a "hey there's only a few of us so don't alienate!" Besides, this list and work are about the only places I try to act like (shuddering at having to say this) an adult. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Mon, 6 May 1996, 9312 wrote: > If I owned a PC, I'd be obliged to go out and do some personal > fact-finding re: top speed! Until then, I'm forced to make do > with reading... > > For what it's worth, I got an Ian Smith reprint package that had > tests from Cycle, Cycle World, etc. Their numbers (slightly > different) were: > > Top speed @ redline: 115-117 (wouldn't pull it) > Measured top speed: 106-107 > Speedo error (actual @ 60mph indicated): 56 - 56.5 > > It's interesting that, if the bike does have that speedo error, > 106 would look like about 114. > > For this being a controversial topic, you folks sure are polite! > > Bob Clancy > NM > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 96 21:46:00 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Keith W. Rogers" Subject: RE: I'm back. Welcome back home, Keith. Now you are a full-fledged member of the LIST. Almost like passing initiation into the Mafia. Good trip? Roger Prince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Keith W. Rogers Sent: Monday, May 06, 1996 2:44 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: I'm back. I started out from Portland at 12:30 pm on Wednesday 5/1/96 and arrived in Austin Sunday night at 10:39 pm. I tried to send this last night but my provider was down. Anywho, traaveling is fun but I'm glad to be home. BTW, I unsubscribed from the list while I was on the road. I didn't want my mailbox to overflow. Let me know if I missed any "must-read-PC" news. re-intro: Name: Keith W. Rogers Location: Austin, Texas Email: rogersk@eden.com PC Model year: 1989 Bought used from Gail Grabill on 5/1/96. Modifications: Metzeler tires. -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ROBJHALL@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:40:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800 tire noise?? I have a 1989 PC 800 with 35,000 miles on it. I recently put a Metlzer Marathon (ML2) on the rear. Unfortunately I couldn't get a front tire to match. I put the original equipment (Dunlop K-177) on the front. Since then I have what I think is tire noise but it is olny audible when making left turns. Even leaning to the left causes the tires to sing! Has anybody else run Metlzers on this bike? OR run a combination of Metzler and Dunlop COMMENTS??SUGGESTIONS??RECOMMENDATIONS? I love this motorcyle, the noise is just driving me crazy! Rob Hallenbeck Cary, N.C. E-mail: ROBJHALL@aol.com Bought the bike new in 1990 No modifications other than this damn tire! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 14:52:48 -0500 (CDT) To: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: gears Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu According to the '89 manual the power transmission specs are: Gear Ratio: 1st 2.600 2nd 1.700 3rd 1.250 4th 0.964 5th 0.800 One might check the '96 manual for a comparison but taking it out on the highway sounds like more fun..... Now here's another interesting tidbit from the manual. Recommended shift points: 1st to 2nd: 6mph 2nd to 3rd: 12mph 3rd to 4th: 19mph 4th to 5th: 25mph Now I"m sure that everyone out there follows these recommendations to a T:-). Also interesting that on the preceding page they tell you never to lug the engine with full throttle at low engine speeds. How can you not lug it at the recommended shift intervals???? >David Gross wrote: >> >> word has it that the Candy Red 96 has different gears than the rest of >> us...could account for the extra mph... >> >> _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> Dave Gross >> >> http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html >> http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > >All, > >I will have to "Check this out" on the freeway tomorrow on my '96 ;) > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:11:28 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: pc800 tire noise?? At 08:40 PM 5/6/96 -0400, you wrote: > >I have a 1989 PC 800 with 35,000 miles on it. I recently put a Metlzer >Marathon (ML2) on the rear. Unfortunately I couldn't get a front tire to >match. I put the original equipment (Dunlop K-177) on the front. Since then >I have what I think is tire noise but it is olny audible when making left >turns. Even leaning to the left causes the tires to sing! > >Has anybody else run Metlzers on this bike? OR run a combination of Metzler >and Dunlop > >COMMENTS??SUGGESTIONS??RECOMMENDATIONS? I remember my PC did a similar thing. It sounded like the horn of a diesel locomotive at a distance. First time I heard it I was while I was going through a railroad crossing, so needless to say it was a high "pucker factor" incident! After experimenting a bit I determined that the howling came from the rear tire, and only when turning, due to the "squared off" profile of the original Dunlop K555 (with ~7k miles on it). I also think I remember one of the other members comenting on how loud the ML2's were. Suggestions: Make sure the profile is nice and round, check inflation pressures, check that the tires are mounted well-centered on the rims... You might also want to check to see if there is any leftover rubber "membranes" between the tread blocks,. Remove them with scissors or a sharp knife. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:15:55 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: gears At 02:52 PM 5/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >Gear Ratio: >One might check the '96 manual for a comparison but taking it out on the >highway sounds like more fun..... >Now here's another interesting tidbit from the manual. Recommended shift >points: >1st to 2nd: 6mph >2nd to 3rd: 12mph >3rd to 4th: 19mph >4th to 5th: 25mph What's all this talk about gears and shifting? I thought *all* PC's came with automatic transmissions!? :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 22:20:59 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Luggage Rack Arrived Today! I just received the luggage rack I ordered from Capital Cycles. It's a "Nonfango" rack, but looks a lot like the pictures I saw of the Givi rack (I'll bet the bags will fit either). The rack came in a reasonable time, Capital Cycles thought the order from Europe would arrive late April, so it took about two weeks, give or take. The rack is $117 + Shipping, the whole order came to 122.59. (Reasonable shipping - $4.64!) The rack takes about 15 minutes to install using the grab rail mounting bolts. It may interfere with a hondaline backrest, but I don't own one, so I really don't know how they mount. I wasn't able to get it installed before the sun went down, so I'll take a picture of it and send it to the home page as soon as I can. I'll also send a set of simple instructions when I send the pictures. The installation is pretty simple, but there are a few tricky things that I could point out. I've got a 50 liter top box I ordered from JC Whitney last winter I will mount on it, I'll send pictures of that as well. If you are hesitant to try ordering from Capital Cycle (they have a bad rep for taking a long time to fill orders) I have an '93 Dennis-Kirk catalog, and they carried Nonfango luggage then, so they may also be able to order a luggage rack if they still carry Nonfango. I'll send the pictures as soon as I get them developed. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast, w/luggage rack! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:32:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires I know much praise has been given to the ML2s. My question is, "How are they better"? And "What is their tread life campared the the stock tires I have on my 95"? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:34:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Screen Panties :-) Now that I have your attention. Someone posted a message about using some type of ladies undergarmet to clean the bugs off his screen. Well, the bugs came alive this weekend in WY and I was looking for a good way to reomve them without scratching anything. Thanks, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 23:14:23 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: RE: Windshield Cleaning I have used "Glass Plus" cleaner and soft paper towels for the past two years, and it seems to work pretty well. When on trips I carry a small spray bottle that used to contain glasses cleaner and a few paper towels folded into a zip lock bag. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 May 1996 21:07:56 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 18:14:32 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: pc800 tire noise?? Rob, I just switched to ML2s on both wheels (late birthday present from brother Dave!) -- it makes a world of difference having the front tire. No "tracking" into the road cracks, 100% improvement in handling. I don't think I'd mix brands. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:28:58 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: pc800 tire noise?? Rob, at the end of last year I switched to ML2s. I had the problem with strange sounds turning left or right that seemed to come from the front tire. I thought it had something to do with need of replacing the tires. After mounting the ML2s the sound changed, it now seemed to vanish bending left or right. I asked the local dealer to check the frontwheel bearings but they were OK (according to them). The sound became louder and louder and indeed drives one crazy. The sound was almost not there at speeds below 35 mph. This weekend I changed the front wheel bearings and it is gone! The old bearing seems OK at low speeds, but can't cope with speeds over 35 mph. I guess thats why the dealer checked OK. Maybe its your bearings causing the sound. I'm very happy I changed mine. Regards, Hans Looman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:29:01 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Screen Panties :-) Hi Chris, that was me posting the message about panties. It works great debugging the PC's screen and bodywork without causing scratches. I think the material is nylon, I use the cheapest type of panty available. Make it a little wet and off they go! The meanest insects (bees etc.) can be soaked using dishwash soap before the panty will take care of them. Regards, Hans Looman. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 May 96 06:55:06 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Tires Chris My stock tires lasted 9,000 miles. The ML2's last 12,000 rear and 16,000 front. I didn't think the Dunlops were too bad handling wise but, the Metzlers are gooder (grin). See ya Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 May 96 06:55:08 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Screen Panties :-) Chris I use glass plus and Bounty towels. I have the tall Honda windshield. It is Lexan. I also use (religiously) Raindance (the car wax) on the shield. It contains microabrasives to polish out scratches, and got the blessings of General Electric. Been fine for five years. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 06:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 7 May 1996 7:39:25 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tires >I didn't think the Dunlops were too bad handling wise but, the Metzlers are >gooder (grin). > The price is much, much gooder also, if gooder means higher. If gooder means lower then they are bader. (frown) Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 May 96 10:28:54 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: Jim Alexander <73373.2113@CompuServe.COM>, "David W. Brickner" , Goerge Catt , "Keith M. Danielson" , "Ronald L. Dison" <75000.325@CompuServe.COM>, "Cory S. Estes" , "Daniel L. Gordon" <74534.2265@CompuServe.COM>, "David H. Gorham" <74734.1464@CompuServe.COM>, "Dale L. Hall" <76624.577@CompuServe.COM>, Paul Heflin <74557.413@CompuServe.COM>, HSTA ListServer , "Donald L. \"MOOSE\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Jim Petersen <75127.1761@CompuServe.COM>, Roger Prince , Fred Schmidt , "Elbert E. Silbaugh" <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM>, "Brain \"TINK\" Tinkler" Subject: ATTN RACE FANS ATTN; RACE FANS Just looking thru some mail I recieved from MID-OHIO RACE COURSE.... they have a web site! http://www.midohio.com. just thought I'd pass it along!!!! FYI Fireman Joe Cincinnati, Ohio (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 May 1996 07:47:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 07:45:59 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Cc: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tires Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > The price is much, much gooder also, if gooder means higher. If gooder > means lower then they are bader. (frown) > > Waldo Waldo, being very fond of my body, I spent what may be a disproportionate amount of $$$ on two things for my bike - tires and a helmet. Feel safe, ride safe! Even tho the Metzlers are considerably more expensive than the Dunlops, the difference in handling and "feel" and what appears to be a longer tread life (all other things being equal) make it worthwhile for me. Mostly, the little red motorcycle _handles_ better with the Metzlers. The Dunlops were ok, but the Metzlers just seem to hang on to the road better. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:07:43 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 7 May 1996 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Steve Gross From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tires Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> The price is much, much gooder also, if gooder means higher. If gooder >> means lower then they are bader. (frown) >> >> Waldo > >Waldo, being very fond of my body, I spent what may be a >disproportionate amount of $$$ on two things for my bike - tires and a >helmet. Feel safe, ride safe! Even tho the Metzlers are considerably >more expensive than the Dunlops, the difference in handling and "feel" >and what appears to be a longer tread life (all other things being >equal) make it worthwhile for me. > >Mostly, the little red motorcycle _handles_ better with the Metzlers. >The Dunlops were ok, but the Metzlers just seem to hang on to the road >better. > >-- >Steve Gross >"Get the retainer up front." > > I am in total agreement with you Steve. I also run the ML'2s. Just trying to add a little humor into someones day. Sorry for the miss communication. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 09:43:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Bob Rufener Cc: Robert Mathews , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: gears On Mon, 6 May 1996, Bob Rufener wrote: > > Now here's another interesting tidbit from the manual. Recommended shift > points: > > 1st to 2nd: 6mph > 2nd to 3rd: 12mph > 3rd to 4th: 19mph > 4th to 5th: 25mph > > Now I"m sure that everyone out there follows these recommendations to a T:-). > > Also interesting that on the preceding page they tell you never to lug the > engine with full throttle at low engine speeds. How can you not lug it at > the recommended shift intervals???? > > Doesn't it say something about "for maximum fuel economy" in regard to shift points? (I don't have manual in front of me...but seem to recall this.) As far as the second statement, the operative part is "full throttle". Methinks fuel economy and full throttle are mutually exclusive. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:04:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Cycle Racing --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Cycle Racing ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-05-07 12:03:16 EDT From: Klass C To: 73615.1475@compuserve.com Does anyone know if there is a regular schedule for when cycle races are broadcast? Though I don't know any of names, or inside info, I really enjoy watching it. I only catch it by chance and would love a way to get a schedule. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:10 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Short Screen Thanks! I don't remember the e-mail name of the guy I am thanking (sorry), but he sent me a cut down screen. Thank you so much. I just got it last night. It looks perfect! It just covers the handlebars by about an inch or two. I will put it on after I move to the Hot, Hazy, and Humid NYC next week. Many Thanks! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'KlassC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Fwd: Cycle Racing Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:26:10 -0700 The Washington Motorcycle Roadracing Assoc. has a pretty cool web page with a large number of links to other tracks and racing associations. You'll probably find a hyperlink to someplace close by. http://www.wmrra.com/ Another good link for ANYTHING motorcycle related is http://www.interlog.com/~rscott/bentlnk.html . It's knows as the Master list of Motorcycle Links. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 1996 9:04 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Fwd: Cycle Racing > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: Cycle Racing >Date: 96-05-07 12:03:16 EDT >From: Klass C >To: 73615.1475@compuserve.com > >Does anyone know if there is a regular schedule for when cycle races >are >broadcast? Though I don't know any of names, or inside info, I really >enjoy >watching it. I only catch it by chance and would love a way to get a >schedule. > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:49:35 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Windshield Cleaning I use cotton diapers for cleaning the PC. <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:40:00 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Front Tire Failure Hello again! A little while back I blew out the rear tire (K177) on the PC while traveling ~70mph in a sweeping turn on an interstate highway. I was VERY happy to find that at speed the tire for the most part held together and maintained enough shape for me to halt the bike without incident. The puncture was in the center part of the tire, and while it tore a 6 inch long gash laterally, I think this helped. (as opposed to a puncture in the sidewall.) Anyway to make a long story a question, has anyone had a front tire failure, and if so, how was the stability of the bike? Did the tire hold together? Thanks! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" , "'Alexander D. Gray'" Subject: RE: Trip To Dallas Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:48:17 -0700 I've ridden some long days and can't stress enough that you've got to stay warm, comfortable and relaxed. I hate the intestates because they can be crowded and very boring. I find I usually make better time on state highways and feel more relaxed because there aren't as many vehicles around and I can ride my favorite pace(s). Following cars increases stress and elevates my alertness to the point of exhaustion if it's going to be a long day. A twisty route also keeps me interested and having fun. Have to be careful though that I don't tense up cornering hard because it's hard to shake tight muscles when there's hours left to go in the day. Once I've got a good route I concentrate on staying relaxed and comfortable. I stretch alot while riding and at stops. I let the legs dangle in the wind, roll my shoulders, and stand up out of the saddle a few times every hour. I try to stop every 1.5 to 2 hours and get off the bike for a few minutes. Take time to scratch you head 'cause helmet itch will drive you batty. \"/ If you've got a passenger you'll need to stop more often 'cause they take a bigger beating in the wind. Enjoy your meal brakes and take your time not to rush. Using this system I will typically tour 300-400 miles a day when riding 2-up. A single day limit for me is usually 600 miles though I have done more (800 is my personal best). On multi-day rides I start out medium, go long, and then taper off. I like to take a day off if it'll be more than 5 days. A typical example for myself and co-rider Leanne would be 300, 500, 350, 200, off, 350, 500, etc. Next weekend we'll be doing 1000 miles coming back from WeSTAR at Yosemite. Plan calls for 500, 300, and 200 mile days to get home. We'll have plenty of warm up rides earlier in the weekend to get ready for the big one. Enjoy your trip! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Alexander D. Gray[SMTP:smupony@infomagic.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 05, 1996 11:18 AM >To: 'PC 800 mailing list' >Subject: Trip To Dallas > >Ok guys, I'm planning a trip to Dallas (from Flagstaff,AZ) next month. >This will be my longest trip on the bike (2124 miles, round trip). > >What do you think a good day in miles would be? 400,500,600? >I know some of you have experience on long trips. Where is the "danger >zone" at 400-500 miles? Let me know. > >Thanks! >ADGray > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:22:03 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Tires At 06:37 AM 5/7/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>I didn't think the Dunlops were too bad handling wise but, the Metzlers are >>gooder (grin). >> > >The price is much, much gooder also, if gooder means higher. If gooder >means lower then they are bader. (frown) > >Waldo > >-- If you live on east coast, and are heading toward Americade, you can save $10 per tire by taking bike and receipt for Metzlers to their booth. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:22:06 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Fwd: Cycle Racing At 12:04 PM 5/7/96 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anyone know if there is a regular schedule for when cycle races are >broadcast? Though I don't know any of names, or inside info, I really enjoy >watching it. I only catch it by chance and would love a way to get a >schedule. > >Chris > The AMA magazine lists a schedule of TV racing/motocross events for the coming month. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- id UAA10425; Tue, 7 May 1996 20:22:14 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:22:14 -0400 To: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Route comments Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca With only a month to go, I'm revising my 'Return from Tennessee' route from a more or less direct interstate to one that takes me east to Virginia Beach, then north through Delaware and Pennsylvania. It looks like Rte 321 east from Elizabethton to Wilkesboro has some interesting curves? Rte 13 looks like it comes into Va Beach from the west and then goes across to Delaware. Map'N'Go seems to have me make a large loop around the eastern end of Va. Beach (58, 279,60). Wonder why? Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel.... I did this in the car many years ago. How much is above and how much under water? Is it TERRIBLE? It looks like 13 all the way to Wilmington where I pick up 100 north. Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: Earthquake stories Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:27:07 -0700 Some of you were curious how the Northwest did after the quake last week. Thought this was a pretty good story. -bryceu >---------- >From: Nikhil Joshi (Exchange) >Sent: Friday, May 03, 1996 9:38 AM >To: <<>> >Subject: Rude Awakening > >Being from California, last night's earthquake was merely amusing, and >mostly irritating, since the news pre-empted Seinfeld and ER. I thought >nothing of it and went to bed around 10:30p. At about 3:30am, I sat >bolt upright, my heart pounding, as some barely conscious portion of my >brain remembered I now owned a motorcycle with an auto-retract >sidestand!! > >Barely awake, I ran and stumbled down the stairs and burst into the >garage. Fully expecting the worst, I flipped on the light, but was >relieved to see her standing happily upright. > >I suppose this story is anti-climactic (I'd rather not have it any >other way, thank you very much), but the adrenaline factor in the wee >hours of the morning seemed to warrant the tale. > >I take it everybody else's significantly motorized others survived >unscratched? > >-n > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 07 May 96 23:05:03 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Various points Content-Id: <18_60_1_831524703> Hi guys, As the owner of an '89 PC with 22,300 on it, I'm getting increasingly nervous with all these reports of stator problems. Can anyone who's been through it tell me if there are any warning signs, and once it happens, what actually happens? Does it just die? While you're riding, when you try to start it? What? And has anyone actually had Honda cover the "secret" recall fix, or is this just "friend of a friend" stories? Does the stator failure cause other problems? I just had my new Metzlers installed this weekend, and fortunately I checked before leaving the dealer how much pressure they had put in: not enough! Only 32 psi. When I asked the mechanic to put in 45 he looked at me like I was nuts, and said they didn't even put that much in fully laden Gold Wings. I insisted, and he did it, but proved to me that the guys at this shop don't know all that much. Fortunately for me, the guys at the parts place where I bought my first Metzlers had told me about the high pressure requirements of the Metzlers. Although they're rated for 49, I found that too hard, but happily put 12K on this last set at a comfy 45. Someone's comment recently about the four spark plugs reminded me about the confusion I experienced at my first plug change. I saw there were four plug wires, and for a day or two, I was wondering how I could have misunderstood all the articles I had read about this bike, thinking it was a twin, when obviously it was a V-4. Finally, I looked it up, and realized, "Oh, two plugs per cylinder! Never thought of that before!" Are there many other bikes (or cars) with 2 PPC? Two points on the subject of plugs: be very careful when changing the left rear plug when removing it not to let it slip out of your socket and down inside the fiberglass noise insulation. It's very hard to get out! (Or so I'm told. Not that I would ever do anything this dumb! ;-)) If you do, take off the top shield, and pull back the rubber sheet on top of the fiberglas, and try to get down there with a flexigrip thing or maybe long needle nose. Don't do what one dealer did to mine at a tune-up, and cut a small hole through the fiberglas. (Assholes!) Also, I can report after falling prey to all the ads for Split Fire plugs that run during the Indy Car races I watch that $8/plug for these things is not worth the money. I've noticed virtually no change in performance or gas mileage. Anybody else had any experience with them? Finally, as I continue thinking about my possible long trip to New Mexico this summer, I was wondering about my options for a cellular phone (or other comm method) for emergency use. I would want complete national coverage, which would seem to mean a satellite-based system, which would seem to be expensive, even if only used in dire need. Anyone have experience with this or other ideas? CB, I guess is an option, but I'm wondering if it's reliable enough when you're broken down (and maybe bleeding!) a couple of hundred miles from anywhere. (Okay I'm being a little pessimistic, but better safe than sorry.) Thanks for getting to the end of a long post. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 07 May 96 23:37:53 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: ST1100 Content-Id: <18_60_1_831526673> Jason wrote: >You must have a different definition of good than I. In your shoes, I'd be >thinking "ST1100...ST1100". >(I've actually been thinking "ST1100" more than just a bit lately since I >have Kuroneko/Kurobuta's title free and clear, but like everything else >they're too expensive. I just can't see getting rid of the PC, though.) At $11.5K, they're way too expensive for me, too. I agree they look great, but I sat on one this weekend, and with the short handlebars, the riding position is leaning over forward, like lots of sport bikes. I just don't think I'd want to hold this position for several hundred miles. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 23:56:51 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points They cut a HOLE in your BIKE!!!! Who are were these morons!!! We need to know so that we can...... RUN AWAY!!!!! (use your best Monty Python) Regarding your long ride and communication.... I am going to install a cigar lighter on my PC. I don't yet know where but BMW makes a water-proof unit with a flip cap that looks quite trick. I've had great luck with my cellular phone almost everywhere and with power coming from the bikes battery range shouldn't be a problem. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:48:43 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Various points >"Oh, two plugs per cylinder! Never thought of that before!" Are there many >other bikes (or cars) with 2 PPC? I know of Italian cars of brand Alfa that have 2 PPC. They call it 'twin spark' Regards, Hans Looman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:20:00 -0400 To: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speed >For this being a controversial topic, you folks sure are polite! Yeah! You better get the *&#@*& off our list before we &*%$#@* ;-) Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 07:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: jhyder@erols.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points James, I too have an 89 PC and yes I had the stator go on me. There was no warning what-so-ever! I initially thought that it was my battery because when it happened everytime I came to a stop or just rolled completely off the throttle it just died and would not restart without a jump. I just assumed that the battery was dead and not able to hold a charge so I put a new one in. No dice. Finally had it towed to the shop and they let me know it was the stator and would cost me an arm and only part of a leg to replace. The shop told me nothing about a secret recall but I've come to expect such things when it comes to money and repair shops. I reiterate, there is no warning when the stator goes, you roll off the throttle and it dies. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Tue, 7 May 1996 jhyder@erols.com wrote: > Hi guys, > > As the owner of an '89 PC with 22,300 on it, I'm getting > increasingly nervous with all these reports of stator problems. Can anyone > who's been through it tell me if there are any warning signs, and once it > happens, what actually happens? Does it just die? While you're riding, > when you try to start it? What? And has anyone actually had Honda cover > the "secret" recall fix, or is this just "friend of a friend" stories? Does > the stator failure cause other problems? > > > Thanks for getting to the end of a long post. > > --James > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:40:48 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks to ... Bryce for the excellent suggestions. Never having done more than 250 miles in a day I find it incredible people like him and others do 500-800 or more in a single day. Thanks, again, Bryce. Alan '89 PC800 '84 Magna ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:08:01 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Various points Well, *my* '89 has 33,000km -- almost 20,000 miles -- and its stator is fine. But if it fails, it's not a big deal, it will just get replaced. N.B. you can tell the difference between a battery failure, and an alternator failure, by putting a meter on the battery with the engine above idle. If you have charging voltage, say 15v, the charging system is fine. This week's drag is the fork seals- it looks like it's time to replace both of them. I'll check the book to see how tedious it is to take the forks out (hmm- do they have to come out to replace the seals?) and maybe I'll just let the shop do the whole thing. Re: cel phone. I've decided to always have one when travelling with a group, because it makes reconnoitering so much easier, and you end up spending waaaaay less time in motel rooms waiting for phone calls. But, if you were travelling by yourself it could come in handy too. As Gunther said, especially if you're camping, you may want to hook up a cigarette lighter outlet in the trunk- a celphone with a dead battery is worse than none. I have a charger that runs on 12v, has a wall-adapter for 110v, and it can charge the small battery in half an hour. You can rent a cel phone for a few bucks a day in any city. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 May 1996 06:35:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 06:53:15 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Shocks Seals/springs hey daniel... as long as you're doing the shock seals, put in a set of Progressive System springs in your front end...the part should run you about $70 for the pair, and there shouldnt be much of a labor charge since the shocks have to come apart anyway to do the seals... they stiffen the fron up NICELY...no more 'dive' into turns...and it raises the fron up about an inch...VERY good for the windsheild and handling...I love mine....-- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:52:20 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points My Hawk GT also has two plugs per cylinder; many modern engines do. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:06:08 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Shocks Seals/springs Dave Gross writes: >as long as you're doing the shock seals, put in a set of Progressive System >springs in your front end... I probably won't- I am *very* much a stock guy. On top of that, I've never driven such a sweetly handling bike, and I can't imagine improving on it. The bike doesn't wobble, it goes solidly over obstructions even when seriously leaned over, and I have never felt like it even gets close to being on the edge of control (not to say that I don't try- it is time to replace the footpeg nuts because I've ground them down, again.) At open throttle (in *FIFTH* gear :-) 180km/h = 108mph) it feels like it's velcro'd to the road, and I have no complaints about diving during braking or corners. I think the only way I could do a mod would be to drive a PC with it and decide that I like it better. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Hans Looman Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points > > >"Oh, two plugs per cylinder! Never thought of that before!" Are there many > >other bikes (or cars) with 2 PPC? > Datsuns of the 280Z ilk. maybe the 300zx too? Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:57:39 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points I have a Mitsu Diamond Tel hand held 1.5 wat cell phone. Let me assure you that you won't have any problems. And for those few blacked out areas that don't have cell coverage? Forget it. You really won't have any other option. If a cell won't work, a CB either won't or won't reach very far. My cell # is out of N. NJ. I was in the west central part of nebraska and the damn thing started ringing. It was my partner! Well as another saya, "thats my $0.02" Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:57:51 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Short Screen Thanks! JTSMCRIDER sent me, for free, a cut down screen he was not using. I can not tell you how cool I think this is. All I can say is Thank you. All I could do when it came was smile and laugh. As I was holding it up and expaining to my wife how I came to have this screen one thing became painfully clear. She did not believe a word of it. I guess after watching months of a steady stream of UPS deliveries from MC catalog companie she just though I was making this up. She has been commenting latley on my obsessive natures and how they have manifested in the PC. Needless to say she suggested I "save it" in reference to my story. Oh well. Thanks for the screen! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'jhyder@erols.com'" Subject: RE: Various points Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:05:38 -0700 38k on my '89 and I'm paranoid as well. I installed an LED that indicates the voltage running through the system. Red for low, yellow for OK, Green for great. Not that it will save me from a failure but I figure I'll spot it sooner. I carry both a cell phone and a CB. Much of Washington and Oregon is without cell service, especially where I like to ride in the mountains or along the coast. I've used the phone to help several stranded motorists and I can't tell you how thankful they were when someone finally stopped to help. It also comes in handy to call home and say you'll be late or your camped in some far location of the state 'cause you felt like riding farther. Sure I ride out of range alot but that's so I can have some solitude. \"/ Though my CB hookups are wired into the bike I also have a 12-volt lighter socket in the speaker panel. Picked up a water resistant plug at a marine supply store. I've used it several times to charge the cell phone or run a 12-volt air compressor. I ran a fused power cord up along the right side of the bike one day while changing the plugs and intalled the outlet without much trouble. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Route comments To: "Wes St.Onge" cc: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca Wes; 421 could carry you all the way to Wilmington. You would get plenty of curves on it until east of Boone where it comes out of the mountains into the foothills! Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 13:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Route comments To: "Wes St.Onge" cc: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca Wes; Sorry I read your message too fast. You're not looking to go to Wilmington NC. Another option is to take 158 at Henderson NC off of I85 to get close to VA Beach. 158 will be more two lane than 13. Sights will be similar. Have a good ride! Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:34:40 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Various points At 11:05 PM 5/7/96 +0600, you wrote: Someone's comment recently about the four spark plugs reminded me >about the confusion I experienced at my first plug change. I saw there were >four plug wires, and for a day or two, I was wondering how I could have >misunderstood all the articles I had read about this bike, thinking it was a >twin, when obviously it was a V-4. Finally, I looked it up, and realized, >"Oh, two plugs per cylinder! Never thought of that before!" Are there many >other bikes (or cars) with 2 PPC? Not many, but it is not uncommon. I think the big Vulcans have always had 2 PPC. > Two points on the subject of plugs: be very careful when changing >the left rear plug when removing it not to let it slip out of your socket >and down inside the fiberglass noise insulation. It's very hard to get out! >(Or so I'm told. Not that I would ever do anything this dumb! ;-)) If you >do, take off the top shield, and pull back the rubber sheet on top of the >fiberglas, and try to get down there with a flexigrip thing or maybe long >needle nose. Don't do what one dealer did to mine at a tune-up, and cut a >small hole through the fiberglas. (Assholes!) I did that on my first try (drop the plug). Luckily, I had a telescopic/swivel magnet, the king that looks like a pen. With a bit of patience a fished it out. No extra plastic to remove! :-) > Also, I can report after falling prey to all the ads for Split Fire >plugs that run during the Indy Car races I watch that $8/plug for these >things is not worth the money. I've noticed virtually no change in >performance or gas mileage. Anybody else had any experience with them? Ditto here with plugs in my cage. I recently replaced them and upon closer inspection I noticed that they were severely worn, after only 20k miles. The body electrode was not a flat cylinder anymore, it was more of a dome shape! I've never noticed that kind of wear on a plug before. > Finally, as I continue thinking about my possible long trip to New >Mexico this summer, I was wondering about my options for a cellular phone >(or other comm method) for emergency use. I would want complete national >coverage, which would seem to mean a satellite-based system, which would >seem to be expensive, even if only used in dire need. Anyone have >experience with this or other ideas? CB, I guess is an option, but I'm >wondering if it's reliable enough when you're broken down (and maybe >bleeding!) a couple of hundred miles from anywhere. (Okay I'm being a >little pessimistic, but better safe than sorry.) You are right in being better safe than sorry. Go for both! Cell phones are so small you can carry them anywhere, and you can get an inexpensive handheld CB for about 60 bucks. Cheap insurance if you ask me. Or you can go full pig (since HOG (tm) is trademarked) and get an EPIRB locator :-) Have a great and safe trip! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:22:22 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Manuals A while back, there was mention made of someone having available or an address for getting a shop manual for the PC. I have an '89 and would be interested in getting a manual. If anyone has one for sale or knows of where I might buy one, please let me know. Bob Marks in Moorestown, NJ and I are both looking for manuals for the Honda/Kenwood radio. If anyone has anything available that you might shoot us a copy, we would be appreciative. Bobs e-mail is rmarks@motown.ge.com Thanks for your help. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 08 May 96 20:30:41 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Short windshield available Content-Id: <17_62_1_831601841> A while ago I mentioned here to someone who wanted a short stock Honda PC windshield that I still had my original one, and would be willing to sell it. The original poster found another, but I also received a private post from someone else who was interested. I seem to have lost track of who sent that other message. If you're still out there and still want the windshield, please get back to me. Thanks. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 08 May 96 20:34:47 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Id: <17_62_1_831602087> I've just re-upped my membership to AMA, which I think is probably worth the price just for the discounts and the towing plan. I was a member for a year a few years ago, but I let it lapse, partly because I was often irritated by the reactionary attitudes expressed in the magazine, both by editors and readers. I just don't feel much in common with yahoos who think it's their God-given right to ride their noisy dirt bikes through any wilderness area they can find. All that aside, what are your views of the various clubs and such, the pros and cons? AMA, HSTA, others? BTW, regarding my last question about cell phones, I was aware that I could roam and get coverage in other urban areas, but surely there aren't cell sites out in the middle of the N.M. desert. My question is, riding from St. Louis across OK, TX, NM, and AZ to Phoenix, am I going to be out of range most of the time? And are there other systems that are good *everywhere*? --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:52:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: No Subject I agree about the crazy views on dirt bike use in fragile areas. Once gone its gone for good. Here in WY the clear-cutting has destroyed so much. I am not agains the lumber industry. I truly believe that wood is a renewable resouce that should be................ Woops! I am sorry. Isn't this a PC800 list? Won't happen again. I hope. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-05-08 20:52:55 EDT I've just re-upped my membership to AMA, which I think is probably worth the price just for the discounts and the towing plan. I was a member for a year a few years ago, but I let it lapse, partly because I was often irritated by the reactionary attitudes expressed in the magazine, both by editors and readers. I just don't feel much in common with yahoos who think it's their God-given right to ride their noisy dirt bikes through any wilderness area they can find. All that aside, what are your views of the various clubs and such, the pros and cons? AMA, HSTA, others? BTW, regarding my last question about cell phones, I was aware that I could roam and get coverage in other urban areas, but surely there aren't cell sites out in the middle of the N.M. desert. My question is, riding from St. Louis across OK, TX, NM, and AZ to Phoenix, am I going to be out of range most of the time? And are there other systems that are good *everywhere*? --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:03:33 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject In a message dated 96-05-08 20:52:55 EDT, jhyder@erols.com writes: >BTW, regarding my last question about cell phones, I was aware that I could >roam and get coverage in other urban areas, but surely there aren't cell >sites out in the middle of the N.M. desert. My question is, riding from St. >Louis across OK, TX, NM, and AZ to Phoenix, am I going to be out of range >most of the time? And are there other systems that are good *everywhere*? Well.......there are, and I could tell you about them...... but then I'd have to kill you....... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:04:12 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Cartmel Subject: Re: Various points At 07:35 AM 5/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >James, > >I too have an 89 PC and yes I had the stator go on me. There was no >warning what-so-ever! I initially thought that it was my battery because >when it happened everytime I came to a stop or just rolled completely off >the throttle it just died and would not restart without a jump. I just >assumed that the battery was dead and not able to hold a charge so I put >a new one in. No dice. Finally had it towed to the shop and they let me >know it was the stator and would cost me an arm and only part of a leg to >replace. The shop told me nothing about a secret recall but I've come to >expect such things when it comes to money and repair shops. > >I reiterate, there is no warning when the stator goes, you roll off the >throttle and it dies. > >Barre' > >Barre' Bull >Network Systems Engineer >Information Systems >Prince George's Community College > As a non-PC owner, but wannabe, I may be speaking out of ignorance, but here goes. With a dead battery, isn't it possible to start the PC by gaining some speed on foot or downhill and letting out the clutch? Or this old-fashioned method unsafe, or too clumsy for the size/weight of the bike? -------------------------------- Tom Cartmel, N9WOX cartmel@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~cartmel -------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 06:07:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Short Screen Thanks! From: dentfan To: "PC800 messages" >All I could do when it came was smile and laugh. As I was holding it up and >expaining to my wife how I came to have this screen one thing became >painfully clear. She did not believe a word of it. I guess after watching >months of a steady stream of UPS deliveries from MC catalog companie she just >though I was making this up. She has been commenting latley on my obsessive >natures and how they have manifested in the PC. That two timing %$&*% We MUST be married to the same woman. Does she give you those looks with her eyes that make you feel like a puppy standing over a piddle? Yup that's her. Well now that we know she is the same fierce woman maybe together we can overcome her. He He He I can't wait till "IT" gets home (no doubt from your house) I will confront her with this damning evidence and....Shit! wait I can't do that the weekend is to close and she won't let me go riding. That's it you confront her! Yeah. That's it you do it! Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:25:21 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points Hi Tom: >As a non-PC owner, but wannabe, I may be speaking out of ignorance, but here >goes. With a dead battery, isn't it possible to start the PC by gaining >some speed on foot or downhill and letting out the clutch? Or this >old-fashioned method unsafe, or too clumsy for the size/weight of the bike? That would work so long as there was enough energy left in the battery to fire the ignition. That is, when there isn't enough to crank the starter and fire the plugs but there is at least something still left. With a truly "dead" battery, you're out of luck. Of course, if the charging system isn't working, even if it starts, you're still in a "total loss" electrical/ignition system that will soon run down (pressing the starter button while you're in gear and running will at least kill the headlight; better yet, pull the fuses for all but the ignition system). Nonetheless, it might be enough to get you to where you can get some further help. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: Tom Cartmel cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points Tom, Yes you can roll jump a PC, but when my stator went I was on a fairly steep uphill incline, in heavy traffic, and at just over 600 pounds the PC is not one of your easier bikes to push uphill. I only weigh 165 and am not into hernias. ;) Takoma Park, Maryland where I live has very few level streets, so I guess if you live in the west or mid-west where there tends to be more flat ground the push start may work. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Thu, 9 May 1996, Tom Cartmel wrote: > At 07:35 AM 5/8/96 -0400, you wrote: > >James, > > > >I too have an 89 PC and yes I had the stator go on me. There was no > >warning what-so-ever! I initially thought that it was my battery because > >when it happened everytime I came to a stop or just rolled completely off > >the throttle it just died and would not restart without a jump. I just > >assumed that the battery was dead and not able to hold a charge so I put > >a new one in. No dice. Finally had it towed to the shop and they let me > >know it was the stator and would cost me an arm and only part of a leg to > >replace. The shop told me nothing about a secret recall but I've come to > >expect such things when it comes to money and repair shops. > > > >I reiterate, there is no warning when the stator goes, you roll off the > >throttle and it dies. > > > >Barre' > > > >Barre' Bull > >Network Systems Engineer > >Information Systems > >Prince George's Community College > > > > As a non-PC owner, but wannabe, I may be speaking out of ignorance, but here > goes. With a dead battery, isn't it possible to start the PC by gaining > some speed on foot or downhill and letting out the clutch? Or this > old-fashioned method unsafe, or too clumsy for the size/weight of the bike? > > -------------------------------- > Tom Cartmel, N9WOX > cartmel@cris.com > http://www.cris.com/~cartmel > -------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:13:48 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Short Screen Thanks! It was my inderstanding that it was your turn to have her this weekend. In fact i have allready made plans. I will send her your way this afternoon. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dentfan@iquest.com (dentfan) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu (PC800 messages) Date: 96-05-09 07:08:35 EDT >All I could do when it came was smile and laugh. As I was holding it up and >expaining to my wife how I came to have this screen one thing became >painfully clear. She did not believe a word of it. I guess after watching >months of a steady stream of UPS deliveries from MC catalog companie she just >though I was making this up. She has been commenting latley on my obsessive >natures and how they have manifested in the PC. That two timing %$&*% We MUST be married to the same woman. Does she give you those looks with her eyes that make you feel like a puppy standing over a piddle? Yup that's her. Well now that we know she is the same fierce woman maybe together we can overcome her. He He He I can't wait till "IT" gets home (no doubt from your house) I will confront her with this damning evidence and....Shit! wait I can't do that the weekend is to close and she won't let me go riding. That's it you confront her! Yeah. That's it you do it! Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:25:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Kenwood radio wiring I would like to try wiring in a tape player and headphone jacks to the Honda/Kenwood radio. Does anyone have the wiring diagram? If someone could FAX or mail me a copy I'd appreciate it. If you need compensation, let me know what. Thanks. ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.lmco.com Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 near Philadelphia, PA. fax: (609) 722-4410 '89 PC800, '84 Helix (my better half) AMA, HRC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:29:16 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trailering Has anybody had experience trailering a PC? I mean, with the PC ON the trailer, not pulling one. Looks like quite a challenge. Bob Clancy NM rmclanc@sandia.gov ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov'" Subject: RE: Trailering Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:36:37 -0700 I did it once. Well, twice if you count bringing it back. Borrowed a friends trailer that he mostly used for transporting his dirt bike. Strapped on to the passenger grab rails and the front forks. Be sure to put some kind of padding between the straps and the bike, as I still haven't gotten rid of all the marks they left. The bike rode fine, but I spent more time looking at the mirror than I did at the traffic. U-Haul rents trailers that would probably be better suited to trailering, and there are "motorcycle" trailers available, if you want to pay the price... If you trailer your bike very much, you'll probably want one of those. There just isn't much place to strap onto in the front of the bike. Mat '89 Pacific Coast "SkyWalker" No matter where you go, there you are. Buckaroo Banzai >---------- >From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov[SMTP:rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov] >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 1996 9:29 AM >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Trailering > >Has anybody had experience trailering a PC? I mean, >with the PC ON the trailer, not pulling one. Looks >like quite a challenge. > >Bob Clancy >NM >rmclanc@sandia.gov >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:58:30 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tie down To trailer the bike I had to use two tie down extentions (that what Dennis Kirk calls them). They were each looped arroung a front fork. It the rear I went over the rear seat and looped through the grab bars. I got lucky and remebered to put a couple of socks between the strap and the body work. Very important. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:30:44 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: Trailering At 08:36 AM 5/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >U-Haul rents trailers that would probably be better suited to >trailering, and there are "motorcycle" trailers available, if you want >to pay the price... If you trailer your bike very much, you'll probably >want one of those. There just isn't much place to strap onto in the >front of the bike. Mat, All newcomers that want to trailer their PC's should check the archives on techniques and tie down points. If you use Jason's search engine on the web it is a breeze. Lots of good stuff there, with no socks required :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl (Sebastiaan Kruit) Date: Thu, 09 May 96 23:21:06 To: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Various points Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In <9605080648.AA21973@solair1.inter.NL.net>, on 05/08/96 at 08:48 AM, looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) said: >>"Oh, two plugs per cylinder! Never thought of that before!" Are the >>other bikes (or cars) with 2 PPC? >I know of Italian cars of brand Alfa that have 2 PPC. They call it >'twin spark' I only know of the Alfa's to. Think I'll put one of those twinspark logo's of Alfa on the back of the bike ;) Bas ----------------------------------------------------------- Sebastiaan Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG Renesse Check this URL: http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr/mvpcn Email me at bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl (Sebastiaan Kruit) or bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl ----------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 16:33:11 -0700 From: "Keith W. Rogers" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: web woe >Visit the PC800 web page at I've been unable to get on the web page for the last few days. Is AOL overloaded? Anyone else having this problem? -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:54:41 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Hopkins Subject: Who has the most miles on their PC? I'm curious who has the most miles on their PC? Also, any major trouble? Jeff Hopkins hopkinj@telepath.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 May 96 00:56:06 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Jeff Hopkins" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Who has the most miles on their PC? #1 '90 58k Traded for #2 #2 '90 101.5k Replaced clutch. Nothing disabling like a stator #1 '95 3.4k ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Jeff Hopkins Sent: Thursday, May 09, 1996 6:54 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Who has the most miles on their PC? I'm curious who has the most miles on their PC? Also, any major trouble? Jeff Hopkins hopkinj@telepath.com 09 May 1996 18:44:27 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 18:45:09 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu We are only about one week away from our Southern CA PC800 group trip through Julian! The ride is scheduled for Saturday May 18th. If you missed the particulars, please let me know and I'll forward you a copy :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:45:59 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Top Speed I had my '89 up to 110 indicated at about 6950 rpm going slightly uphill, with about a 20 mph tailwind with stock tires, solo, about 72 deg. air temp. The bike was still accelerating and I'm sure I could have gone 115 and possibly more. I show about 4900 rpm at 60 mph. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 09 May 96 22:41:33 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks to ... Content-Id: <19_71_1_831696093> Alan wrote: >[Thanks to..]Bryce for the excellent suggestions. Never having done more >than 250 miles in a day I find it incredible people like him and others >do 500-800 or more in a single day. How about 1,000 + miles per day? Check out the Iron Butt Association Home Page: http://www.world.std.com/~ironbutt. Interestingly, these guys don't seem to be complete maniacs, and the page actually includes some good tips about preparing for long trips. --James ID ; Fri, 10 May 1996 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) ID ; Fri, 10 May 1996 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) via MS.5.6.atlas.sun4_51; Fri, 10 May 1996 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Who has the most miles on their PC? Should we change that to who has the most PCs? "Roger Prince" writes: > #1 '90 58k Traded for #2 > #2 '90 101.5k Replaced clutch. Nothing disabling like a stator > #1 '95 3.4k -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Kenwood manuals To: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener), rmarks@motown.ge.com (Bob Marks) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: redwolf@tailwind.com (Mike Bavister) Bob & Bob (& any others in need) I have the stock Honda/Kenwood radio installed in my PC, and even have the original radio manual -- my PC is the first used bike that I've bought that still had all it's original owners manuals and tool kit. If you will email me your snail mail addresses, I'll make a couple of photocopies and mail them to you ASAP. Mike. -- "Running beneath me on the black-top plain, my two-wheel pony with the cold iron mane" -- Zaca Creek, "Two-Wheel Pony" Mike D. Bavister 1990 Honda Pacific Coast (2 wheels) redwolf@tailwind.com 1992 Honda Civic (4 wheels) mdbavister@ucdavis.edu 1994 RollerBlade Aeros (8 wheels) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:49:09 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: For Sale - 90 PC800 Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu 1990 Red PC800 Stereo Tall & Short Windshields Rear Spoiler Passenger Back Rest Sadle Bags Bike Cover 8K Miles $4750 507-367-4566 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Email: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 WWW: http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg/sppdg_home_page.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Various points From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 May 1996 18:36:40 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> I am going to install a cigar lighter on my PC. I have three cigarette lighter outputs wired into my tank bag. These are wired into the bike's electrical system via an environmental quick disconnect. I use it to power my CD player. Everything comes from Radio Shack, and cost only a few bucks. Power comes from the sub-fuse box under the front-left fairing. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: ST1100 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 May 1996 19:02:53 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "j" == jhyder writes: j> At $11.5K, they're way too expensive for me, too. I agree they look j> great, but I sat on one this weekend, and with the short handlebars, the j> riding position is leaning over forward, like lots of sport bikes. I j> just don't think I'd want to hold this position for several hundred j> miles. Call me nuts, but I ride the PC this way, every day. I lean waaay down and look through the shield. It's amazingly quiet when you do that. Boy do I love to hear that engine. - J< (who's catching up and obviously typing way too much) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Bryce Ulrich Cc: "'pc800'" Subject: Re: Ride Report: Seattle to San Jose From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 May 1996 19:00:21 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: BU> - You know a road can be REALLY dark at night when your riding in the BU> mountains and doing 60 around a turn AND YOUR HEADLIGHT GOES OUT!! This happened to me only a few months after I bought the bike. For me it was just crud in the switch. There was a thread about this in the ST1100 list; the solution was to get Radio Shack TV tuner cleaner and spray the hell out of the switch. A whole bunch of junk comes out of mine when I do it. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 May 96 01:47:15 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: JeffHamltn@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Top Speed You can usually figure 15-16mph per 1000rpm in 5th gear. That 4900@60 doesn't sound like 5th gear. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of JeffHamltn@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 09, 1996 10:45 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Top Speed I had my '89 up to 110 indicated at about 6950 rpm going slightly uphill, with about a 20 mph tailwind with stock tires, solo, about 72 deg. air temp. The bike was still accelerating and I'm sure I could have gone 115 and possibly more. I show about 4900 rpm at 60 mph. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Tires Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:08:13 -0700 Ok guys, it looks like I'm going to need new tires with in a couple of = thousand miles here (I have 9k now). I want to hear the suggestions = from you experienced riders. =20 WHAT'S THE BEST TIRES TO GET? =20 WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE COST? Thanks Gang! I'll wait for your response. Oh, and I like that question someone = asked. Who has the most miles on their bike? And what kind of tires has = he used? Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Italian trip Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 10:09:27 +0200 Hi everybody ! Next saturday I'll leave for a trip to Italy (I live in The Netherlands) The destination is the Garda Lake, estimated distance is 1260 km's. As to recent discussions about the maximum distance/hours per day I will keep you posted. In the past I did app. 600 km's a day (8 hours driving). I will do the trip together with a friend who works overthere. He will ride his Kawasaki Z1000i. The returntrip will be a complete solo. Lately a was struck with some inconvenience by my PC. I blew a forkseal, my clutch is a bit slippery and the driverseat is not giving me enough support anymore. (my '89 has only done 33k (miles) As I am quite heavy perhaps no wonder ! I hope to have it in shape before I leave. Perhaps there is someone who might be willing to sell his original driversseat as many of you have changed to the Corbin seats. Sure hope my '89 pearl will take me there and back. Anyway, I will send a report about the trip to the list when I am back. For now greetings to all ! Ascon de Vries ---------------------- Ham: PD0JSM member of VERON, RCK, RIS driver of '89 PC800 id HAA11810; Sat, 11 May 1996 07:32:39 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 07:32:39 -0400 To: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: DOT 4 Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca At all of the local auto supply stores the only brake fluid I can find says that it meets or exceeds DOT 3 *and* DOT 4. Is this 'combination' fluid OK to use in our bikes? --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AppleBit@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 10:47:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Help. Hi, our names are Stevie and Amanda. We are in the 5th grade at the Phillipston Memorial school, Phillipston, Massachusetts, USA. We are doing a science project on the internet. Our teacher says that we can reach anyone anywhere in the world no matter if they're rich or poor. We want to see how many different responses we can get back in two weeks and how our message traveled through the internet. (We are onlly sending out 2 letters). Please respond, then send this letter to anyone you communicate with on the Internet. Respond to SMC1234@aol.com 1. Where do you live (state and country)? 2. What do you do for a living? 3. How/from whom did you get this letter. Thank You Stevie and Amanda ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 11:35:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 95 PC For Sale I saw the following ad in the 5/11 Houston Chronicle: '95 Honda Pacific Coast 800 Black, low miles, excellent $6200, 713/471-4090 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 15:35:28 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Tires Alexander D. Gray wrote: I want to hear the suggestions from you experience > > WHAT'S THE BEST TIRES TO GET? > > WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE COST? > > Thanks Gang! I bought Metzler ML2's last spring and have been very happy with them. They give me a lot more confidence in the corners, and esp. in wet conditions than the stock Dunlops. I put about 14,000 on the original stock tires, and really only needed to replace the rear, but I'm not a real aggressive rider. I've got about 10,000 on the Metzlers so far, and I should get at least another 5,000 out of them. I do seem to be wearing the front a bit, but I am probably riding a bit more aggressively as I learn the bike. I paid $240 for the set of ML2's. Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 11 May 1996 18:32:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:50:50 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: to stator or not to stator well....seems like Mr Stator is all fine and well..My electrical system checks out completely. The new battery I got 3 months ago is bad..won't hold a charge under load at all. Still no word about the head gasket tho, but will probably try to torque the head down a tad first. also..I found a BOTTOM spoiler thingy!! $20...doenst have a mounting kit or instructions...anyone ever put on on? am I hosed without hardware? got the Honda Parts Network looking for a top spoiler..will report if there are any finds...(after I get mine, he heee hee) -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 11 May 96 23:08:13 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Id: <17_65_1_831870493> Wes St.Onge wrote: >At all of the local auto supply stores the only brake fluid I can find says >that it meets or exceeds DOT 3 *and* DOT 4. Is this 'combination' fluid OK >to use in our bikes? I sure hope so! I just replaced by brake and clutch fluid with that stuff! If it's not good, someone tell me quick!!! Also, that post from the supposed 5th graders? Call me paranoid, but I'd check out that school and teacher before responding, unless you are willing to let some spammer have more info on you than you might ordinarily give out to a stranger. BTW, about spam in general (like those magazine spams), under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 (TCPA) it is a federal offense to send an unsolicited commercial fax or e-mail (considered the same as a fax for the purpose of the act). A recipient can sue the sender for $500 per occurence in small claims court. For more info on this (and suing telemarketers that interrupt your dinner, too) call Private Citizen at 1-800-CUT-JUNK. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 May 96 11:24:56 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "Chambers"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Cc: "hsta"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Free Email Check out www.freemark.com on how to sign up for free email service. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 11:57:09 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: Top Speed At 01:47 AM 5/11/96 UT, you wrote: >You can usually figure 15-16mph per 1000rpm in 5th gear. That 4900@60 doesn't >sound like 5th gear. He probably meant 3900. Mine turns 4k at 60 MPH Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 21:56:04 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dorer@ins.at (m-o & j dorer) Subject: New I have been following the discussions on this list now for quite a while and find them most interesting. But let me first briefly introduce myself: Name: Josef Dorer Location: near Vienna, Austria, Europe Age: 42 Bike: PC 800 ('90), bought used in '91 w. 4 k miles, has 26 k miles now. Married, 2 sons (6 and 10 years) When I planned to start riding motorcycle again after more than 20 years (I owned a '51 BMW 500 then), I was interested in Harleys, but here in my country a new "Softtail" for example carries a price tag of ca. US$ 22 k. While at the dealership, this second-hand PC caught my eye and it was mine, after writing the sum of 79 thousand Austrian Schillings on the cheque (nearly US$ 8,000). A new PC would have cost between 13 to 15 thousand (in US$). Add 1,000 for taxes and insurance per year and you see, you guys on the other side of the Atlantic can't complain much. However, I don't regret having bought the PC. I test-rode a handful of other bikes in between, but none of them offered the comfort and usefulness of the PC. I use the bike mainly for commuting and brief (maximum 1 day) outings. But not right now. Yesterday, I removed the complete fairing and took it to the paint-shop, because there were a few small dents and scratches here and there, and the red colour-layer started fading away. They will put red and silver metallic paint on the body panels (and I will have to pay them some 1,200). Sometime next week I will collect the parts . Wish me luck that I put them back on the bike in the right order. Ride safe, Josef. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 May 1996 15:40:31 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:39:16 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: New Welcome, Josef - Ok, so it _does_ cost more over there... Taxes and insurance aren't much less than what I pay, though. I hadn't thought about getting the panels repainted. I guess it's cheaper than replaciing them. Wonder if there's anywhere in the States to get the panels done. Anyone? On another subject, I had a coupla Gold Wing types tell me that the Rider rally in Kalispell wasn't worth the ride over. Anyone else had any experiences with 'em? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 18:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Juan A. Goula" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Top Speed Checked my rpm's yesterday and was only turning 3700 at indicated 65, 2 up and up a medium grade. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Sun, 12 May 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > At 01:47 AM 5/11/96 UT, you wrote: > >You can usually figure 15-16mph per 1000rpm in 5th gear. That 4900@60 doesn't > >sound like 5th gear. > > He probably meant 3900. Mine turns 4k at 60 MPH > > Juan > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 May 96 21:13:14 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: HSTA ListServer Subject: the kids in mass I just read a note about the so called kids in the 5th grade eamil may not be what it seems....is there anyone else that may have more info.... what the heck I'll call massashuset in the morning and see if there is a Phillipston Memeriol School... then we will know! fireman ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 22:30:29 -0400 To: dorer@ins.at, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Best of Luck with your 91. My friends who own BMW Bikes envey the low cost of maintaining the PC. The PCs seem to run for ever with only normal maintenance. Bernard Kohler Overland Park, Ks. USA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:44:28 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Greetings Josef: It is nice to hear from you. I was fortunate enough to be able to tour your beautiful country in 1981 while I was stationed in Germany. I wish I had my PC back then; I had my Honda GL1000 with me then, and it was a handful at times in the mountains. Nonetheless, it was a great ride that I shall always remember. You are right. We have little to complain about here regarding the cost of owning and operating our machines when compared to other parts of the world. It is good to be reminded of that once in a while. I hope you will join us here on the list often. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:44:42 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speed v. RPM Hi Barre: Hmmm. 3700 rpm @ 65 mph just doesn't fit with the published gearing data for the PC. Something is wrong somewhere. To get that much speed at that rpm would take a rear tire that is 27+ inches in diameter, and if such a tire did exist, it wouldn't fit in the space available back there. I suspect we're talking a gross error in either the speedometer, the tach or both. I know that my Hawk GT's speedometer is grossly optimistic, but I didn't think the PC's was, but frankly I've never paid that much attention to it. I guess I'll have to check it out on our two PCs (as soon as it stops raining around here). I'll let you know what I find out. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: m-o & j dorer Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New On Sun, 12 May 1996, m-o & j dorer wrote: > > I have been following the discussions on this list now for quite a while and > find them most interesting. But let me first briefly introduce myself: > > Name: Josef Dorer > Location: near Vienna, Austria, Europe > Age: 42 > Bike: PC 800 ('90), bought used in '91 w. 4 k miles, has 26 k miles now. > Married, 2 sons (6 and 10 years) > Glad to meet you, Josef, and welcome to the PC list. Let us know how the paint job turns out. Richard Hardy, San Diego, California snip > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 May 96 13:31:58 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: Jim Alexander <73373.2113@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Phillipston School Kids Letter Hey Gang the note from the 2 10 year old kids was note a hoax!!! I just spoke to Sandra Larson the School admiinistrator at Phillipston Memeorial school in Mass. She advised that yes virginia there really is a Stevei & Amand they are two ten eyar old who put out 2 letter on april 15th for a science fair project that is being judged TODAY!!!!! They had received over 50,000 email returns in 5 days.....in fact the link to Austarlia was so backed up with replies it shut down the link with that country for a couple days... I was one of nerly 500 phone calls she said she as recieved about this..... So that is cool, it's neat to know that not all spam is bad!!!! Fireman Joe Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:50:49 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject That's what I said when I responded to them. I also leaked out that I was from Chicago. OOPS>>> Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:53:08 -0400 To: bb1@pgstumail.pg.cc.md.us, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Top Speed What year is your bike? While I don't doubt your reading, that suer isn't what mine says. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New list software Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:02:04 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III I've finally gone ahead and upgraded the mailing list software. This is simply a new version and should be compatible, so things from your point of view shouldn't change much. If you notice any odd errors, please tell me about them and try resending your mail or command later. This message will also serve as a test. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:28:44 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Police PC Hello all, Anyone use the PC as a police bike or funeral escort bike? I am looking for ideas on mounting emergency lights and siren on a PC. Thanks! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:35:21 -0800 (AKDT) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Police PC To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 12:28 PM 5/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Anyone use the PC as a police bike or funeral escort bike? >I am looking for ideas on mounting emergency lights and siren on a PC. Karl, as an idea, you might try the what the prop. makers did with the "police" PC they used in "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man". That bike, supposedly ridden by Sandra Bullock (right guys?), had the red and blues in place of the turn signals. As for the siren, if you get one small enough you should be able to mount it under the fairing, just be prpared to do some bike "undressing". Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:19:40 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Top Speed _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:53:39 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: top speed I hit about 4200 rpm at 65mph -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Ascon deVries" To: "GuntherSki@aol.com" Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: Italian trip Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:56:44 +0200 Hi Todd, we'll take off Saturday may 18th. Our route probably takes us through Germany (links Reinische Autobahn), Innsbruck and then straight through Austria, the Brennerpass. Cross border (I) A22 till Trento and then to the south-westside of Garda Lake. Our ETA is sunday-afternoon (and some 1300 km's away from my PC-dealer). I'll stay there till Friday, I think. Have to be back home on sunday the 26th. Since I'm at the westside of the lake Milan is not to far away. I've got no activities planned yet on monday till friday. It would be great to meet a PC-guy from Chicago in or in the neighbourhood of Milan ! Do you have a suggestion ? You did'nt mention the way you travel, but perhaps a good meetingpoint could be the railwaystation of Brescia ? Brescia is half-way Milan-Garda Lake. Regards, Ascon de Vries ---------- > From: GuntherSki@aol.com > To: gorgon@xs4all.nl > Subject: Re: Italian trip > Date: maandag 13 mei 1996 19:45 > > Hey, > > That sounds great. I'm going to Zurich on Thursday. I'm going to Munich on > Friday, through Switzerland the rest of the week and ending up in Venice and > Milan. It would probably be a logistical nightmare to try to hook up but, let > me know your schedule. > > Todd Zedak > Chicago > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:12:15 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Police PC -Reply There are two pictures of this bike on the web page. >>> Juan A. Goula 05/13/96 03:35pm >>> At 12:28 PM 5/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Anyone use the PC as a police bike or funeral escort bike? >I am looking for ideas on mounting emergency lights and siren on a PC. Karl, as an idea, you might try the what the prop. makers did with the "police" PC they used in "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man". That bike, supposedly ridden by Sandra Bullock (right guys?), had the red and blues in place of the turn signals. As for the siren, if you get one small enough you should be able to mount it under the fairing, just be prpared to do some bike "undressing". Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:02:26 -0700 From: "Keith W. Rogers" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: crack in the front fairing Howdy. I've noticed a small (55mm) crack in the fairing of my '89, near the fairing pocket. It seems to be growing. I searched the archives and found JB Weld recommended to glue plasic tabs back onto the bodywork. I didn't find anything about cracks within a panel. I'm thinking a drop of super-glue will seal this crack. Any comments? I've also noticed an old repair of a turn signal lens used a type of glue that is still pliable. A little too pliable. I'm afraid a gust of wind will break it loose. What type of glue might this be? Thank you. -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 13:44:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Speed and Gearing Hey All: I think that this string has just about run its course, but, for what it's worth, I just got back from checking out our PCs. They both indicate really close to 60 mph at 4000 rpm, which is just what the gearing says they should. The '90 is on Dunlops and the '89 is on ML2s, so that doesn't appear to make any difference. JT. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 May 96 13:11:09 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: PC Mods Here we go boys and girls, Got the Turtle back from the dealer last week. (Finally!!!! My little buddy in the parts department always cuts me a great deal on parts and accessories, but he really did a number on me as far as messing up the parts orders.) 1. The Progressive Suspension front springs are just great. They are very sure and solid, but still ride good. They must be a bit lower that the stock ones, as the front end is a fair amount lower now. Not knowing the springs were going to lower it anyway, I also had the mechanic lower the triple clamps on the fork tubes by 1/2 inch. Wow, with my 31" inseam I now sit on the seat, have my feet flat footed on the ground, and have my knees slightly bent. The other day I was doing demos for the MSF class I was teaching and I was dragging the foot pegs. (I may have to raise the triple clamp back up if that problem continues.) It sure feels nice, though. 2. The jetting is wonderful. The #123 jets weren't available, I don't know if that was temporary or what, but I had him do the #125's, the #40's, one shim, and the 1 1/2 turn out on the screw. That may or may not be exactly what I ended up with to get it running exactly right. This mechanic has a pretty good reputation as a carb man, so I feep pretty confident with his work. It takes hardly any time at all to warm up now and seems very responsive. I've got to get Juan to give it a try so he can do an instant stock-to-modified check. It seems to me like the thing as really gotten a fire lit under it, it feels much more like an 800cc bike ought to. Hope the mpg has stayed above 40! I'll let you know. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 14:17:21 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Pants Hi, All, Today I got the Motoport Ultra Cordura/Kevlar pants I ordered. The quality looks excellent and they were easy to put on over boots and jeans. Ordered a pair for my wife, too. If anyone is interested I'll be happy to post my impressions after living with them for a bit. It was finally nice enough here in Cleveland to ride to work today. Sheesh, what a spring. When we left the restaurant after dinner Saturday evening it was sleeting. Take care, Alan Smith '89 PC800 '84 Magna '94 V535 -- The Better Half's ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:30:03 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: crack in the front fairing At 11:02 AM 5/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >Howdy. > >I've noticed a small (55mm) crack in the fairing of my '89, near the >fairing pocket. It seems to be growing. I searched the archives and >found JB Weld recommended to glue plasic tabs back onto the bodywork. I >didn't find anything about cracks within a panel. I'm thinking a drop of >super-glue will seal this crack. Any comments? In my experience, once superglue is dry it is very brittle, so it probably will crack with all the vibration going on. What you might want to start with, to stop the crack, is to drill a small hole at the very leading tip of the crack, as this will spread the stress out and prevent it from expanding. >From there some kind of structural epoxy should do the trick. A friend of mine used it to glue a couple of grommet (sp?) pegs (the ones you insert into the rubber grommets to keep the side panel in place). These are very high stress areas and they are holding on better than stock (that will teach him not to try to remove side panels when it is -30F! ;-). The epoxy is a creamy white in color, so repairs should be done on the inside of the piece, but it can be sanded and painted if necessary. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Thanks to ... Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 12:11:18 -0700 I'm familiar with the Iron Butt but really don't have the desire to do it (yet anyway). Contrary to mileage boasts I actually like to *see* things as I go by. \"/ A fellow here at Microsoft is thinking about it. He's going to do a 4 corners ride this summer (lower 48 four corners that is) on his Honda VFR 750. Last year he flew to Florida to pickup the bike he purchased and rode it home. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: jhyder@erols.com[SMTP:jhyder@erols.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 1996 9:41 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Thanks to ... > >Alan wrote: > >>[Thanks to..]Bryce for the excellent suggestions. Never having done more >>than 250 miles in a day I find it incredible people like him and others >>do 500-800 or more in a single day. > >How about 1,000 + miles per day? Check out the Iron Butt Association >Home >Page: http://www.world.std.com/~ironbutt. Interestingly, these guys >don't >seem to be complete maniacs, and the page actually includes some good >tips >about preparing for long trips. > >--James > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Barry Shaffer Subject: Re: Speed v. RPM To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I figure with the stock tires roughly 4000 rpm is 60 mph or 15mph per 1000 rpms in my normal speed range 75 or less. Barry Shaffer (716) 679-3185 Grape Farm Mgmt.Specialist Fax (716) 679-3122 412 E. Main St. email:bshaffer@cce.cornell.edu Fredonia, NY 14063 CENET:bshaffer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 19:07:52 -0500 Subject: Re: top speed From: dentfan To: , "PC800 messages" Strange I hit 5000 even @ 65mph? Stock Dumb-lobs Dave wrote: >I hit about 4200 rpm at 65mph Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 20:50:46 -0400 To: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Suzuki for Sale Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, wingS@armchair.mb.ca My Dad has a bike he would like to sell. 1988 Suzuki GS450. Dark Red. Original owner. Never down. New tires. 15,000 miles. Has a fairing with windshield. Trunk. Crash bars. Always kept in warm garage. $1500 *FIRM*. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 May 96 21:33 PDT From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Suzuki for Sale Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Wes, Your father and I have something in common. I am selling my Suzuki GS450 also. It is a 1986 Suzuki GS450L, red, one owner, 7,000 miles, windshield with leg lowers, case saver bars, highway pegs, always garaged, factory shop manual, owners manual, ready to ride, $2,000/OBO. It's amazing how much alike the bikes sound. I don't know what part of the country your father lives in, but my bike is located in the Portland, OR area. If anyone is interested in my bike please e-mail me directly at: julie@anthro.com. -- Bye for now ********************************************************** Julie Pipkin E-mail (julie@anthro.com) Anthro Corp. Web (www.anthro.com) 10450 SW Manhasset Dr. Phone (503)691-2556 Tualatin, OR 97062 Fax (503)691-2409 ********************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 May 96 07:51:36 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, (dentfan)_dentfan@iquest.com Subject: Reply to: Re: top speed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/15/96 07:50 ## '95 with K555 Dunlops/3500mi of wear. 75mph=5100rpm Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (dentfan) dentfan@iquest.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/14/96 19:07 ## Strange I hit 5000 even @ 65mph? Stock Dumb-lobs Dave wrote: >I hit about 4200 rpm at 65mph Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 07:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Pants On Tue, 14 May 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > Hi, All, > > Today I got the Motoport Ultra Cordura/Kevlar pants I ordered. The > quality looks excellent and they were easy to put on over boots and > jeans. Ordered a pair for my wife, too. > > If anyone is interested I'll be happy to post my impressions after > living with them for a bit. I'm interested. Please let us know - after you've had enough time to really tell. Thanks. snip ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 18:40:55 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: SAENG well...my edging finaly showed up after the bonehead at saeng sent it to the wrong address...It really doesn't seem to want to adhere very well. especially at the bottom of the windsheild where the curvy parts are. I tried squeezing VERY hard on it, and it still blew off the bike when I hit about 40 mph....I think the PC shield is thinner than some other ones.. so, I really want to make it work. any suggestions? How about silicone gel around the top edge of the windshield? -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ENZA51A@prodigy.com (SELF PETER B TAMBLYN) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 22:35:09, -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: new pc owner seeks tech and access info Hi. New owner; old biker. Had admired the PC for a long time from the saddle of a Suzuki VX800 and envied the enclosed, secured luggage space, the clean lines, and the Honda fit and engineering. Have many other Hondas and find this to be true. I'm located in N/E/ GA; would be interested in coffee and conversation any week day. Even a ride. Am about to install the Honda scooter and PC radio in my '95. Haven't looked to see if my '95 wiring harness retained the plug=in socket to which I will want to plug my radio wiring harness. Haven't explored pulling plastic, cutting out for speakers, or any of the other details. Anybody retrofitted the factory radio to a post'90 PC? The only piece the seller of all the still boxed goodies said was missing was an antenna mounting bracket. If I get all the other stuff done, fabricating the bracket won't stop me from having tunes. I intend to add a jack in the dashboard panel for a lead to my helmet speakers. with the stock shield, I get a fair amount of wind whistle unless I slump down. I read about everyone going to the taller Honda or Rifle windshields, but I never admired looking through a windshield. At a long-waisted 5'9", I can just look over the top of mine. Does the Saeng edging make any difference? About it for this late evening. Looking foreward to hearing from a few of you. Pete. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:59:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Just read investment biker I just completed the book and highly recommend it. It is certainly much more than a book about riding or traveling. However, if you hate history, politics etc. I would avoid it completely. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 01:59:41 -0500 Subject: any body know From: dentfan To: "PC800 messages" , "HSTA" I bought a 1995 Hi=onda Pacific Coast last Fall in Atalanta, GA. The guy I bought it from bought it earlier (June 1995) at a Honda dealer in Atlanta. It was supposedly a trade in on a Gold Wing. My question is does anyone know the previous owner? He still lives in Conneticut and is a member of the HRCA. His last name is Williams. He is supposedly retired and must really like to ride since he put 6000 miles on the PC before trading it in in June 1995. The only reason I know his last name is beacuse the other day called the HRCA to join and they said my PC vin# was already active. Let me know if you think you know him. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:22:22 -0400 To: ENZA51A@prodigy.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: new pc owner seeks tech and access info Hey Pete, Regarding your interest in retrofitting a factory radio to your '95 PC, where did you find a radio? Since you mentioned that it was still "boxed" I assume it must be new. Any more where that came from? Clint Greenwalt CGreenwlt@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:45:22 -0600 From: Cameron Francis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cruisers versus Sport Touring My name is Cameron and I live in SLC. I have been following the PC800 postings for the past two weeks and have enjoyed the discussions. I have been considering the purchase of a PC800 Sport Touring bike pretty seriously for the past few months. I have a couple of questions. 1) I wanted to know why some of you chose a PC800 over a Cruiser such as the Honda Shadow or Yamaha Virago? I am torn between the two styles of bikes. I plan on using my bike for weekend fun and occasional commuting to work, about 30 miles. 2) Is $6200 a good price for a '95 PC800 with 3000 mi. It is in good shape as far as I can tell. The bike is factory standard. No special options. Thanks in advance ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 May 96 12:58:09 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: new pc owner seeks tech and access info Hi, Peter, and welcome aboard! You wrote: >with the stock shield, I get a fair amount of wind whistle unless I >slump down. I read about everyone going to the taller Honda or Rifle >windshields, but I never admired looking through a windshield. At a >long-waisted 5'9", I can just look over the top of mine. Does the >Saeng edging make any difference? I'll let others (who own the stuff) comment on the Saeng edging. I'm 5'10" and I have the shortest of the three Rifle shields (I think its a +2). I can easily look over the top (as I prefer doing), yet the shield deflects most of the wind-blast about three inches above my helmet, making for a very quiet, comfortable ride with only the occasional (and welcome) wisp of a breeze to remind me that I'm outdoors. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:02:13 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG From: dkgross@halcyon.com well...my edging finaly showed up after the bonehead at saeng sent it to the wrong address...It really doesn't seem to want to adhere very well. especially at the bottom of the windsheild where the curvy parts are. I tried squeezing VERY hard on it, and it still blew off the bike when I hit about 40 mph....I think the PC shield is thinner than some other ones.. so, I really want to make it work. any suggestions? How about silicone gel around the top edge of the windshield? ----------------------------------------- I had no trouble with my Saeng edging: got a very nice and extremely secure fit. If I recall correctly, I used pliers to squeeze the metal clips embedded in the edging *before* putting it on the shield, so it had to be forced on. Hope that helps. <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dave Gross Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG I had the same trouble, Dave, with the SAENG on my high Hondaline shield. I tried contact cement, white glue, and instant glue. Only the instant has worked. Although instant cures in seconds, it didn't hold well until I tied a line around the shield at the curved-in points and left it overnight. Since then it has held OK. Good Luck. Richard On Wed, 15 May 1996, Dave Gross wrote: > well...my edging finaly showed up after the bonehead at saeng sent it to the > wrong address...It really doesn't seem to want to adhere very well. > especially at the bottom of the windsheild where the curvy parts are. I > tried squeezing VERY hard on it, and it still blew off the bike when I hit > about 40 mph....I think the PC shield is thinner than some other ones.. > > so, I really want to make it work. any suggestions? How about silicone gel > around the top edge of the windshield? > -- > > > _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Dave Gross > > http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html > http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 May 96 12:58:16 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: PC Mods Hi, Cory! You wrote: >... It seems to me like the thing as really gotten a fire lit under it, it feels much >more like an 800cc bike ought to... Does this mean you'll have to rename your PC? Maybe "Millenium Hedgehog?" Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 May 96 14:23:02 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List , SELF PETER B TAMBLYN Subject: Re: new pc owner seeks tech and access info Pete, Just installed speakers on the Turtle last night. Standard 4" units from most makers seem to fit right in. Mine are Kenwood #KFC-1074. The metal grill for the Kenwoods is a bit small to modify for the PC dash cut-out, so I picked up another. Two grills for the PC dash can be cut out of one oval 6X9 auto speaker cover. I was all prepared to use my Dremel on the dash, but tried a sharp, new X-acto blade instead. That worked very well and was much cleaner and easier than the Dremel, though not quite as fast. The piece cut out of the dash becomes the cutting pattern and "bending guide" for the grills. Time and much patience will yeald a grill that can be attached with epoxy or hot glue. BTW, where in the world did you find a PC radio? Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 May 96 14:23:08 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Top Speed......again. Just when you thought it was safe to get back into the list......... the thread from hell returns! Was out on the Turtle last night and decided to avail myself of a long straight and see what the thing would do. I did it as a top gear roll-on rather than by doing a down shift or starting from a stop and running it up through the gears. It worked its way up to 6500rpm in top gear very quickly and easily. After 6500 it climbed much more slowly. At around 7000rpm the speedo was showing 110mph. The speed and rpm's were still slowly climbing, but I was running out of room. At that speed it was rock-solid steady with nothing scary happening. (I was trying to pay attention to as many details as possible to be able to report here.) At that high an rpm, the ignition was throwing out enough noise to cause the voice activated transmit on my Chatterbox unit to stay on. If the bike had been "cleaner," i.e., without the SAENG edging and winglets and being tucked in behind the windshield, it might have climbed a little faster. Based on this "test," I'd say 115mph figure is probably about the max, and the thing probably won't make it to red-line in top gear. After having just given up my 5th Amendment rights............. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re: Cruisers versus Sport Touring Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:28:07 -0700 Welcome Cameron! > ><<1) I wanted to know why some of you chose a PC800 over a Cruiser >such as the Honda Shadow or Yamaha Virago? I am torn between the >two styles of bikes. I plan on using my bike for weekend fun and occasional commuting to work, about 30 miles.>> For me the biggest differences between the the two styles is performance, weather protection, luggage capacity, ease of maintenance/cleaning. The PC can run through the corners with the fast bikes and keep close. Can't do that without scraping alot of metal on the cruisers. A windscreen and lower fairing keeps the wind off the rider keeps the rider fresher on longer rides. Of course the PC's trunk speaks for itself. You mention that you intend to commute. The PC really shines at this task because it can carry things easily and is as easy to clean as your car. I ride almost everyday to work, rain or shine, and the PC keeps me doing it becuase it handles the weather and baggage needs so well. Of course it doesn't have the flash of chrome, the deep sound, or the classic looks. >You make the call. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 96 14:56:26 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Dave_Gross)_dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: SAENG ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/16/96 14:55 ## I've used the edging on both the '89 and '90 stock shields with no problem. The u-shape is formed by metal inside the rubber. Maybe your edging has been installed previously somewhere. Try squeezing it together before installing. I have to push pretty hard to get mine where the shield is fully inserted to the bottom of the channel, even after a number of on/off cycles. Should take a hard pull to remove it. I never heard of it blowing off before. Shouldn't have to use any adhesive. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Dave Gross) dkgross@halcyon.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/15/96 18:40 ## well...my edging finaly showed up after the bonehead at saeng sent it to the wrong address...It really doesn't seem to want to adhere very well. especially at the bottom of the windsheild where the curvy parts are. I tried squeezing VERY hard on it, and it still blew off the bike when I hit about 40 mph....I think the PC shield is thinner than some other ones.. so, I really want to make it work. any suggestions? How about silicone gel around the top edge of the windshield? -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re: Cruisers versus Sport Touring Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:38:08 -0700 No matter where you go, there you are. Buckaroo Banzai > > >1) I wanted to know why some of you chose a PC800 over a Cruiser >such as the Honda Shadow or Yamaha Virago? I am torn between the >two styles of bikes. I plan on using my bike for weekend fun and >occasional commuting to work, about 30 miles. I started looking at motorcycles seriously after not having one for some 20 years. I had seen the PC a few times and thought it gorgeous. On the rational side, I looked at the prices of saddlebags, fairings, windshields added to a cruiser and then looked some more at the PC. Actually, I walked into the dealer, told him that I thought the PC was gorgeous and he started counting his commission. They had a used one which he let me take around the block. It has shaft drive, more speed / power than I'll ever need, smooth even handling. Since when do rational and motorcycle go into the same sentence? It is gorgeous!, but maybe I already said that. Who cares if you are asked "Is that the new Cushman?" when you're stopped at a traffic light. I started it up next to a Harley one afternoon and the Yuppie/Biker asked "How can you tell if it's running?" >. > >Thanks in advance >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:52:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Cartmel Subject: Kokomo, IN Honda dealer Does anyone have any contact information for the Honda dealer in Kokomo, Indiana? I drive by there frequently on trips to visit family, but it is always during non-business hours. Unfortunately on the store's sign, it doesn't mention any names, just the HONDA logo. I've looked in the local phone book, but the number listed is no longer in service, both under Kokomo Honda, and for a nearby town, Honda of Logansport. It's possible that the dealership is being sold, but thhey have quite a few bikes, including a PC, in the showroom. -------------------------------- Tom Cartmel, N9WOX cartmel@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~cartmel -------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl (Sebastiaan Kruit) Date: Fri, 17 May 96 00:06:50 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Jets for PC made by Factory Hi, while browsing the IBA pages a came across a link to Factory Pro. As a PC owner first thing I did was checking their catalog for jets. And to my surprise they have a set of jets for the PC!! Size Model Year Part Number Description Price 800 PC800 Pacific Coast 89-90 CRB-H22-1.0 Config. 10 $69.95 Look at their web-site for more info. http://www.factorypro.com I might order this set, so any information is welcome. I'd like to know what I'm ordering ;) Bas ----------------------------------------------------------- Sebastiaan Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG Renesse Check this URL: http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr/mvpcn Email me at bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl (Sebastiaan Kruit) or bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl ----------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 May 96 19:24:50 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC Mods Steve, Good thought, but, no, being a turtle is sort of a way of life that I can't change! Later, C ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:27:14 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Milpitas Honda number What is this crap? I just tried to call Milpitas Honda and got a recording that said I can not access that 800 number. What are we here in AK, frozen chopped liver? Any one else had a similar experience? Options? (would rather not give my credit card numberover the web just yet) Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:09:07 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Cruisers versus Sport Touring At 10:45 AM 5/16/96 -0600, you wrote: >My name is Cameron and I live in SLC. I have been following the PC800 >postings for the past two weeks and have enjoyed the discussions. >1) I wanted to know why some of you chose a PC800 over a Cruiser >such as the Honda Shadow or Yamaha Virago? I am torn between the >two styles of bikes. I plan on using my bike for weekend fun and >occasional commuting to work, about 30 miles. The riding style is completeley different. I prefer the PC because it allows me to be a bit more agressive when the going gets tight. Even thought the chassis of the PC is not cutting edge, the perimeter frame and 43 (41?) mm forks give it a much more stable feel while leaned over. There are few speed junkies among us who still want a fork brace, but the front end is pretty solid. Cruisers on the other hand would feel like they are made of taffy in similar riding conditions. Then of course you have all the amenities that the PC offers, like an excellent fairing, virtually nil maintenance - it has hydraulic "lifters" (What the heck do you call them on an OHC cam engine anyways?), the always-controversial look, and of course, the trunk. Commuting is probably the PC's strongest role, since it makes a great all weather bike. Heck, one of the list members even installed a windshield wiper! Oh, and let's not forget one of the best stock seats to come out of a motorcycle factory! >2) Is $6200 a good price for a '95 PC800 with 3000 mi. It is in good >shape as far as I can tell. The bike is factory standard. No special >options. Maybe if the dealer were to throw in aditional year or two on the warranty (the standard warranty should be good til '98 or so). Otherwise, mmm... not sure. PC's seem to be in demand nowadays. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:52:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Tom Cartmel Subject: Kokomo, IN Honda dealer Does anyone have any contact information for the Honda dealer in Kokomo, Indiana? I drive by there frequently on trips to visit family, but it is always during non-business hours. Unfortunately on the store's sign, it doesn't mention any names, just the HONDA logo. I've looked in the local phone book, but the number listed is no longer in service, both under Kokomo Honda, and for a nearby town, Honda of Logansport. It's possible that the dealership is being sold, but thhey have quite a few bikes, including a PC, in the showroom. -------------------------------- Tom Cartmel, N9WOX cartmel@cris.com http://www.cris.com/~cartmel -------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 May 96 06:03:49 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: PC800 Members in the HSTA For some time now I have been trying to keep a list of PC800 owners within the Honda Sport Touring Association! With the most recent changes made to my list, I now show 118 Pacific Coast owners in 35 states within our ranks! If you're not one of them, who not consider joining? If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, we have close to 2,000 members and 118 Pacific Coast owners in 35 states within our ranks! We plan to have a meeting of PC owners at STAR '96, our 14th national rally, to be held June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. I hope to see you there! So...SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll fill up your mail box!! I have a 1990 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast with 64,000 trouble-free miles. It runs and looks almost like new! In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. We're going places...crank up that PC and ride along with us! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go ridiing!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 10:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Jets for PC made by Factory I hate to ask dumb questions (but I figure it'd be worse to let that stop me)..... Why has there been so much info about rejetting the PC? My '89 PC is my first (only) bike, works for me. What sort of performance boost am I missing out on? -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:07:45 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Members in the HSTA dana... fyi...My brother and I looked into HSTA when we first got into Seattle. The group out here were really a friendly, helpful, nice bunch of guys, but they were all CBR types who were only interested in going as fast as they can. Not my kind of riding... Then we checked with a few of the local goldwing groups. Nope. I don't look good in a polyester vest :>) So, we joined AMA anyway, and are hoping to find enough Northwest PC people to ride with! -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: AWong18031@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:24:16 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 90PC800 I have been looking for the right 90PC for almost a month now and was hoping someone out there might have some good leads. I would appreciate any info on 90 PC's, hopefully with lo-miles, backrest and radio would be nice. I live in so. CA but would consider some travel if necessary. Thanks in advance. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: Dana's Good Sport mileage award Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:19:19 -0700 Hi Dana, I see you won the '95 HSTA Good Sport mileage award. The rules said for the Good Sport award you had to give your mileage estimate and then why you didn't make it. It think you rode 2,900 miles or so. Curious what your original estimate was and the story on how it was missed. For all those curious, the HSTA has an annual mileage contest then runs from mid-May to mid-October. Winner this last year was in the 50k mile category. WOW! As I don't have a big summer ride planned I don't think I'll come close. Probably around 8000 miles for me. I'm spending most of my summer vacation in Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Still get a few long weekends though for the Rider Rally, MT and club rides. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Milpitas Honda number Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:23:39 -0700 Email them your order and ask them to call you for the credit card number. Worked for me the first time. -bryceu >---------- >From: Juan A. Goula[SMTP:jgoula@ims.alaska.edu] >Sent: Thursday, May 16, 1996 7:27 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu >Subject: Milpitas Honda number > >What is this crap? I just tried to call Milpitas Honda and got a >recording >that said I can not access that 800 number. What are we here in AK, >frozen >chopped liver? > >Any one else had a similar experience? Options? (would rather not give >my >credit card numberover the web just yet) Thanks! > >Juan >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Juan A. Goula >School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences >University of Alaska Fairbanks >AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG >1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Dana L. Sawyer'" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800 Members in the HSTA Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:14:01 -0700 Hey Dave/Steve and other Northwest riders: new Honda Riders Clubs of America (HRCA) chapter has formed out of I-90 Honda in Issaquah. We're about 6 weeks old. Meetings are the first Thursday of each month at 7pm at the store. Next ride is this Sunday 8am (lv 9am) to Leavenworth. About 25 people signed up in the club so far and the speed diversity is fairly large (cruisers, wing, and CBR types). They happened to elect me Secretary 'cuase I had so many computers. \"/ BTW: I'm HSTA too and find some go faster than me and some don't. Either way I ride. WeSTAR last week was great -- trip report coming out sometime this weekend. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dave Gross[SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] >Sent: Friday, May 17, 1996 12:07 AM >To: Dana L. Sawyer >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800 Members in the HSTA > >dana... > >fyi...My brother and I looked into HSTA when we first got into Seattle. > The >group out here were really a friendly, helpful, nice bunch of guys, but > >they were all CBR types who were only interested in going as fast as >they >can. Not my kind of riding... Then we checked with a few of the local > >goldwing groups. Nope. I don't look good in a polyester vest :>) So, >we >joined AMA anyway, and are hoping to find enough Northwest PC people to > >ride with! >-- > > >_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >Dave Gross > >http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html >http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:20:52 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Would it be breaking any rules if I used this page to announce I have a house in the Atlanta area available (very reasonable) for the olympic games if anyone needs one? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 11:05:04 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Milpitas Honda number Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu I would like to thank all of you who wrote with suggestions about the Honda of Milpitas phone number (Erin, thank you for the offer to pick up the parts for me). As you can see from the following message, HondaMil (for short) has lived up to their reputation as an excellent dealer. Andy wrote me offering to have someone from their shop call *me* to take my order. I wish my dealer was so accommodating! So my apologies go to Andy for being so prematurely harsh about their 800 number. George and Sheri, you now have an alternative as well. :-) Juan At 12:58 PM 5/17/96 -0400, Andy wrote: >051796 > >E-mail me your number and i will have my parts guys call you.... > >I am currently neg with ATT on a US cont 800 number.. >They have offered $1.00 per min for 800 service.. so I am still haggling.... > >Andy >Honda of Milpitas >4082636060 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: (None) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 May 1996 16:04:45 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "WEM" == "Waldo E Meeks" writes: WEM> Would it be breaking any rules if I used this page to announce I have WEM> a house in the Atlanta area available (very reasonable) for the WEM> olympic games if anyone needs one? I think you just did. As for the rules, I don't mind a bit. It's quite possible that some PC'er here would like to ride to see the games and would need a place to stay. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:16:42 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New owner... Hi y'all, After a very brief period of learning what a PC is like (greatly aided by the generous people in this forum), I got one last weekend, the just-barely-broken-in (?) '89 that Ed Johnson of Tucson was selling. We discussed it via e-mail, Ed giving a very accurate picture of the bike. It sounded good to me, so Friday night my 10-yr-old son & I took off, trailer in tow, for Tucson. To shorten the story, we had a wonderful visit with Ed and his lovely wife Maxine, loaded up the bike, and made it back to NM by Sunday noon. The first time I'd ever ridden a PC was when I tried out Ed's, but all the general info I'd gathered was pretty accurate. It'll do everything my old Beemer will, but with a third as much fuss. Love it! I'd like to thank the Johnsons for a wonderful time-- it's a heartening experience for strangers to be able to deal with each other in such an honest and friendly manner. Thanks to all, Bob Clancy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:21:46 -0700 From: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com (STEVEN L. WEINERMAN ) Subject: Northern NJ Riders To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My name is Steve and I live near Morristown, NJ. I'd been receiving the mail for over a month and enjoy the discussions. Bike: 1994 PC800 bought new Basically stock, with ham radio (2meters/440) and backrest. I am looking for riders in the Morris County area to ride weekdays after work i.e. around 5:30 or 6 pm. and take a several hour ride once or twice a week. Prior years go up to and around Greenwood Lake, over to PA - Delaware River area, or down to Hunterdon County and around the reservoirs. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:33:41 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Its Spam, but for a Worthy Cause To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Dear All, Well, Waldo started the spamming this week with his blantant real estate speculation ad to rent his house during the Olympics. Hint: Waldo you can't require the renter to own a PC or even a motorcycle. Now its my turn . . . I know most of you have heard about the Ride for Kids and many of you probably participate in one of the 13 fund raising rides carried out all over the country. Well, for those of you that live in areas that doesn't host a ride, you can still participate. My wife Debbie and I will be riding in the Atlanta to Helen ride on Sunday, June 2. Last year I was able to raise almost $600 and this year I am shooting for $1,000. So if you have an extra, $5, $10, $50, $100 or $1,000 (hey, it pays to be optimistic) and want to contribute to a worthy cause, send a check payable to the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation - United States (or just PBTFUS if you want to conserve energy). I need your contributions (sacrifices) by June 1. Since I don't have a cybercash account yet, you can mail them to me. As a special incentive, the largest contributor to my effort will be perpetually immortalized on the Colonel Poole's Hill of Fame in the north Georgia town of Ellijay. I will send you a photograph (suitable for framing) documenting your benevolence for all the world to see. If you have any questions about the Ride for Kids, you can check their Web page at: http://members.aol.com/Ride4Kids/. If you have any questions, send me a note. Thanks for your support. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Tires Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 17:02:08 -0700 Ok guys I went to my local Honda dealer in "tiny Flagstaff" and the = Metzler ML2's are $189 for the back and $149 for the front!!! plus $50 = each to install. Do any of you know where I can buy the tires direct and safe a bundle? = Please forward the address or phone number for me, Thanks Gang! That sounds a little steep for me. I asked you guys about the price a = few weeks ago and most of the responses were between $200 and $300 for = the pair. Where did you guys get these? please let me know, I'm = looking at the pair costing me $450 installed. Thanks Guys! Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona (on the way to Dallas in mid June- maybe I should check the price = there?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Annoying Microsoft mailers and my spam detector From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 May 1996 06:40:11 -0500 Lines: 17 I just wanted to let everyone know that messages coming out of that horrible Microsoft mailer that attaches the pile of garbage to the end of every letter trips the same spam and binary detector that keeps us free of magazine spams and unwanted binaries. I have to manually intervene to get these messages to the list. What this means is if you're running Microsoft's excuse for a mailer and you don't turn the generation of trailing garbage off then your messages are going to take a lot longer to get to the list. If I go out of town or something they won't make it to the list. Please find a way to turn the generation of the Microsoft-specific attachment off. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 01:12:31 -0500 (CDT) To: "Alexander D. Gray" From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Tires Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Alexander, Me thinks you are getting the big rip-off. I just bought my PC about 3 weeks ago. The previous owner had new Metzeler's put on the bike on August 15th of '95. He didn't ride the bike much and when I bought it the rubber tits were still on the tires. The invoice that he gave me, along with other service records, showed that he paid $84.95 for the front tire and $104.35 for the rear. Labor was $50.00. Total invoice, including tax, was $250.74. He did indicate to me that this was kind of a special deal as he had done quite a bit of business with the dealer. OBTW, this dealership was in Beloit, WI. Phone # (608) 362-9344. I am sure other guys have sources closer to you or from mail order. The only catalog that I have that has tires in it is from Dennis Kirk out of Rush City, Minnesota. Phone # is 800-328-9280. The 120/80H-17 front tire is listed at $133.99 and the rear 140/80HB15 is listed at $164.99. Apparently, freight charges are free to USA destinations. Hope this is of help to you. Bob >Ok guys I went to my local Honda dealer in "tiny Flagstaff" and the Metzler ML2's are $189 for the back and $149 for the front!!! plus $50 each to install. > >Do any of you know where I can buy the tires direct and safe a bundle? Please forward the address or phone number for me, Thanks Gang! > >That sounds a little steep for me. I asked you guys about the price a few weeks ago and most of the responses were between $200 and $300 for the pair. Where did you guys get these? please let me know, I'm looking at the pair costing me $450 installed. > >Thanks Guys! > >Alexander D. Gray >Flagstaff, Arizona > >(on the way to Dallas in mid June- maybe I should check the price there?) >Attachment Converted: C:\EUDORA\PC800TIR > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 May 96 10:59:44 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "PC 800 mailing list" Subject: RE: Tires Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. 1-800-241-2222 ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Alexander D. Gray Sent: Friday, May 17, 1996 8:02 PM To: 'PC 800 mailing list' Subject: Tires Ok guys I went to my local Honda dealer in "tiny Flagstaff" and the = Metzler ML2's are $189 for the back and $149 for the front!!! plus $50 = each to install. Do any of you know where I can buy the tires direct and safe a bundle? = Please forward the address or phone number for me, Thanks Gang! That sounds a little steep for me. I asked you guys about the price a = few weeks ago and most of the responses were between $200 and $300 for = the pair. Where did you guys get these? please let me know, I'm = looking at the pair costing me $450 installed. Thanks Guys! Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona (on the way to Dallas in mid June- maybe I should check the price = there?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 May 96 09:21:38 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: RE: Tires Roger Try Competition Accessories. I just got a new front for $105.00 Phone 1-800-543-3535. The rear is similar in price. I mount em myself (with a friend and a JC Whitney Bead Breaker). Takes about a half hour max, when you have the hang of it. Good Luck Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 18:45:41 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: purl gurl well....I got her back today. couldn't find ANYTHING wrong with the electrical system.. got a new battery tho. the old (new) one was apparently bad and wouldn't hold a charge. I have a cracked tail light and a little corrosion around the bulb socket, so I guess I'll have to spend the $200 to replace the whole damn taillight assembly...grrrrrrrrr. About the 'seepage'. My mech had a perfect opportunity to make $700 of me for a head gasket replacement. Or he could have made $400 for torqueing the heads down. He did neither. Said he's seen 3 or 4 other PC's that have come in with the same light seepage. It's only on the RIGHT side of the engine. and since the PC isn't loosing or burning oil, he suggested just keeping a good eye on it. SO...I have a request of the group. everyone go out and pull off your right side air cover thingy and shine a flashlight in there and see if there's any seepage!!! I have an '89 with 30k miles. Lets compare stats. I thank you and my wallet thanks my mechanic. -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 96 03:36:54 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Dave Gross" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: purl gurl Dave, both of my '90s have seeped oil and I know my mechanic's wife's '89 did. My present '90 has a thick, black, gooey coating on it. Thanks to the bodywork, only I and my mechanic know. I'm happy I don't have to work on it but then, neither does anyone else. Mine seems to be generally covered. How did your taillight get cracked? Broken or cracked? Congrats on it not being as bad as it could have been. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Dave Gross Sent: Saturday, May 18, 1996 2:45 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: purl gurl well....I got her back today. couldn't find ANYTHING wrong with the electrical system.. got a new battery tho. the old (new) one was apparently bad and wouldn't hold a charge. I have a cracked tail light and a little corrosion around the bulb socket, so I guess I'll have to spend the $200 to replace the whole damn taillight assembly...grrrrrrrrr. About the 'seepage'. My mech had a perfect opportunity to make $700 of me for a head gasket replacement. Or he could have made $400 for torqueing the heads down. He did neither. Said he's seen 3 or 4 other PC's that have come in with the same light seepage. It's only on the RIGHT side of the engine. and since the PC isn't loosing or burning oil, he suggested just keeping a good eye on it. SO...I have a request of the group. everyone go out and pull off your right side air cover thingy and shine a flashlight in there and see if there's any seepage!!! I have an '89 with 30k miles. Lets compare stats. I thank you and my wallet thanks my mechanic. -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 23:44:44 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: purl gurl roger..my tail light got busted during shipment from florida. unfortunatly, at the time, I was unemployed, and the insurance money went for food/rent. it sucks that you cant just replace the lens cover..the WHOLE back light assembly is ONE unit..grrrrr _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 08:53:57 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Jets for PC made by Factory Kevin asks: >Why has there been so much info about rejetting the PC? Because it's an easy modification. There seems to be an assumption that Honda could not possibly have done anything right when they designed the bike, and if there's a component you can replace, you should. Hmmm. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:55:45 -0700 From: Roel Schuhmacher To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New members Hello, We are Roel and Ans Schuhmacher from the Netherlands. We simply surfed on the PC800 Website and are very exicted to find fellow companions sharing the same interest: the PC800. Something about ourselves and our bikes: Name: Roel Schuhmacher Sex: male Born: 20 june 1956 Motorcycle: Honda PC-800, color white, model 1989, 20650 km, secondhand bought in 1994. Modifications: Backrest, top spoiler, MDI windshield (Dutch made). Name: Ans Schuhmacher Sex: female Born: 12 june 1963 Motorcycle: Honda PC-800, color white, model 1989, 12545 miles, new bought in 1992. Modifications: Backrest, MDI windshield (Dutch made) Hope to meet you all. +------------------------------------------------------+ | Roel and Ans Schuhmacher | | Bruine Akkers 171 | | 6026 DN Maarheeze | | The Netherlands | | Telephone: 00 31 495 591206 | | e-mail: schuhmac@iaehv.nl | +------------------------------------------------------+ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:44:15 -0400 To: schuhmac@iaehv.nl, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New members Welcome to the PC 800 Net. I know you will find a lot of interesting and useful information about your bikes. I am looking forward to hearing about any trips you may take in the future. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 06:50:53 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: New members Welcome, Roel and Ans. Are y'all part of that huge PC group we keep hearing about over there? I'd love to see a photo of all those PCs in one place - When' the next rally? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Pacific Coast'" Subject: New member Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:40:02 +-200 Hi y'all. Browsing around I soon found the PC800 web site and joined you all. Here'e me: Name: Rob Ramsey Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands Email: RRamsey@DeRoo.NL PC Model year (if you have one): I almost have it: an 89 second hand model with 20K of past history, flown in from the states Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: Backrest, original white model now beautiful black with a slightly darker silver underside. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'Pacific Coast'" Subject: DS: New members Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:37:21 +-200 Why the MDI windshields? What makes 'em better than the original one?: >Name: Roel Schuhmacher >Sex: male >Born: 20 june 1956 >Motorcycle: Honda PC-800, color white, model 1989, 20650 km, > secondhand bought in 1994. >Modifications: Backrest, top spoiler, MDI windshield (Dutch made). >Name: Ans Schuhmacher >Sex: female >Born: 12 june 1963 >Motorcycle: Honda PC-800, color white, model 1989, 12545 miles, new > bought in 1992. >Modifications: Backrest, MDI windshield (Dutch made) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:59:48 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Handbar ajustment Made an interesting discovery this weekend. The PC handbar IS adjustble up and down. I simply poped off the middle handbar cover, loosen the two top handbar mounting screws, lifted the handbar a bit, tighted the screws, poped the cover back on. The time including repacking the "no space to spare" tool kit, about 10 minutes. The ace mechanic at the Honda shop and the salesperson told me about 4 years ago when I bought my new 90 PC the handbar was NOT adjustable. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:01:13 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Southern California PC800 May Ride To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- Trip report for the May 1996 Southern California PC800 Ride ----------------------------------------------------------- The night before the ride, I spent a lot of time cleaning up my PC (it's a matter of pride you see) :-). With this group, even a smudge stands out (I think they go over their bikes with 'Q' tips!) ;-). I didn't have any new accessories to show off so I had to shine up the ones I have ;-). Dave (my 15 yr old son) and I were the first ones to arrive at Carrows Restaurant right at 9:00AM. Johan arrived in just a few minutes so we went inside. We figured everyone knew the 'drill' and would find us seated at the back ;-). Steve and Patty came in just as we got settled. If these rides get any longer, we will have to start out earlier! After a excellent breakfast, we headed out of the restaurant and wouldn't you know it, Eric comes riding into the parking lot (great timing Eric!). We stopped by the Mobil for gas and headed down the 405 (yep, I turned the wrong way and got lots of ribbing) ;-). The 405 and 5 south were not too cluttered although I heard later about a few vehicles that were playing some games with the pack. It's hard keeping an eye out on the road ahead and watching out for the folks behind while at the same time making sure we are still on course (just making some excuses for my getting lost a few times) ;-). The view of the Pacific to our right was just magnificent. The surf was "up" and everyone was on the beach. There must have been a storm (Patty's speculation). Surf at the "Wedge" was about 10ft! I was riding without my gloves (just experimenting) and as I type this, the backs of my hands are a nice cheery red! They should start peeling around Wednesday ;-). We turned east toward Escondido on the 78. Escondido is Spanish for "City of confusing street signs" ;-). We were supposed to meet up with Morgan and Ellen somewhere along the 78. Johan was in constant beeper-to-beeper contact so we found out that we needed to get to "Rolando". Rolando turned out to be a town (not a street) so we were about an hour late hooking up with Morgan. The countryside through here looks a lot like Colorado with wide open spaces (lot's of cows) and grand vistas as you come over the top side of a mountain. The traffic was light and we made it to Julian at about 12:30. Julian is a very small town with lot's of little shops, bed-and-breakfast type places, and small restaurants. The streets were filled with cars, motorcycles (mostly the Harley types but a few Wings), and even a few horse and buggys! We found a shady spot for the motorcycles and with about eight trunks, were able to stow just about everything we brought with us (although I did catch Steve carrying around a large backpack) ;-) We never did find the much touted "Moose" restaurant. I asked a shop keeper in Julian and she said she never heard of such a place :-). She did recommend a place down the street which turned out to be just excellent. It was a converted house that had lots of room; we got seated quickly. Lunch was superb. Dave ordered a Root Beer Float (he can spot these things on any menu) and when served (it was very large), he just had to comment "Boy don't *you* feel foolish!" ;-). A light breeze blew in from an open window and you just had to feel miles away from the LA 'scene'. During lunch, we made sure that Eric knows it is his turn to plan the next ride :-). Several suggestions where thrown out like heading up the coast to the "Rock House" or going inland to Bear Lake. After lunch, we slowly walked back to our cycles. On the way, we heard some very loud sirens. Turns out the fire department trucks (there were two) we coming down the street. These trucks looked like the first generation past horse drawn 'pumpers' :-). We had to fill up our PCs (Morgan sat with some satisfaction since his 'Connie' holds about 10 gallons (or so it seemed). The one filling station charges about $1.73 for a gallon. The Deliverance types just kinda stand there watching you pump. This "service" must be the reason for the high prices ;-). Johan needed to be back in Orange County by around 5:30, so we asked Morgan if he knew a good way back. Now Morgan rides about 10000000000 miles each year so he knows these roads inside and out. I got lost just trying to stay on the 78! ;-) Morgan said "Sure, you just take the 73 to the 74, a right on the 76 and then on to the 78 and the 15" (well it was something like that...). So... I said "SURE; YOU lead!" :-). With Morgan in the lead, we went through some really fantastic countryside. Although we must have averaged about 85mph, the meadows, streams, tree-lined areas etc. were all incredible. Johan, Dave, and I were all "attached" via Chatterboxen and I commented something like "They should have charged to let us on this road!". It was simply the best twisties around! I didn't get any comments from Patty (she does not prefer to zing around the corners). I suspect if she gets her own Chatterbox, we will get an earful (like "SLOWDOWN!!!!!!!!"). We went by one large lake (rare in California). This lake did not have any houses around it, only cows! I remember one cow was sitting by the fence looking out at the cars going by. This cow seemed to be enjoying the constant flow of tourists :-). Johan was giving me an earful about finding a place to stop. I was doing my best to keep Morgan in sight while not scraping my pegs to a nub or putting my engine into red-line ;-). My comment to Johan (thank goodness only Johan and Dave could hear me) was that Morgan's bladder must be as large as his tank ;-). I know my seat was getting mighty sore as well! Morgan's plan was to bring everyone over to his place in Murrieta to hit the bathroom and check out his incredible collection of motorcycles. Once we pulled into his driveway, he opened the three car garage (clicker on the bike of course). The entire garage was just filled with different motorcycles! He has two 'Connies' (both in excellent condition), a dirt bike, Ellens very nice purple bike, and two Hondas (one in really cherry condition). By my count, that makes six! Someone else can fill in the models so I don't goof them up :-). We still had a bit of a long run to make back to Orange County so we bid goodbye to Morgan and Ellen (they were going out to a movie) and we headed back on the 15 going north. The wind on this stretch is really wild. Our cycles were leaning about 10-15 degrees into the wind. Patty was getting a bit concerned "Is this dangerous?". Even a very large flag was standing straight out. I felt like a test pilot getting buffeted around. I also found at about 80mph my leather jacket does a Michelin-man immitation ;-). The speed limit through this stretch is 70mph, and everyone pushes it 10mph more plus an oooch ;-). I don't think we hit 90 but we sure came close a lot. I must admit, I almost headed to Vegas but Johan corrected me with some frantic "WHERE ARE YOU GOING!!!" through my headphones ;-). Once I negotiated the 15 intersection to the 91 properly...doh!...we were pretty must on track to Orange County. Once back in Orange County, Steve and Patty dropped off down the 57 and Johan and I (talking about this and that all the time) made it to Euclid where we split company looking forward to next month's ride. Boy am I looking forward to riding in next month's tour where I don't have to keep an eye on the street signs! ;-) Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 01:02:08 -0400 To: _spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Southern California PC800 May Ride Thanks for the great trip report. Makes me wish I lived in California. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:10:22 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: 3 pass ride! Harrison, great report. Please to le y'all know Dave's bike is out o'the shop, and we "tested" it with a 300 mile loop through the Cascade Mountain range. At Bryce's invite, we hooked up the the newest HRCA chapter in Issaquah, WA at 9:00 this a.m. I-90 to Preston, then WA 203 north to US 2. There's a 9 mile road named Ben road, that's the prettiest thing I've seen since the Yakima Valley! US 2 East to Leavenworth, WA. Rain through Stevens pass, and they've recently re-paved. The Metzlers are great. Dave seemed to have some slipping problems, it was a slow go though the pass. Hooked up the the rest in Leavenworth, and stopped for a brautwurst and dessert. (For those of you unfamiliar, Leavenworth is WA's imitation Bavarian village. Kinda like EPCOT, but not as expensive. Left Leavenworth, and took 2 to 97 south. Blewett Pass is stunning. Dry roads & sunshine. Woohoo! Back to 90, then home. Finally starting to get warm, and starting to dry out here....Summer's a-comin'! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:55:09 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: New member Hi Rob, Roel and Ans. Nice to meet some more Dutch PC riders on the list. Welcome. Rob, the MDI shield is higher than the original Honda shield so it keeps you out of riding winds. I had it mounted on my PC almost the day I bought my PC in '92. I really like it, I don't have to close the vizor (?) of my helmet except when rain falls. (Which used to be quite a lot of time in NL but seems to have stopped since last year :) Best regards, Hans. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:40:02 -0700 From: Roel Schuhmacher To: PC 800 mailinglist USA Subject: Accessories for the PC800 Next week, we will make a 3 weeks trip to the Western part of the USA (without our bikes unfortunately). From what we have seen on the PC800-Web, the original parts of the PC800 are a lot cheaper in the states then in Europe. We are interested in buying an original high windscreen and two lower spoilers for our (white) PC800's. We would like to get some feedback if these parts are easy to get and if we have to watch for great differences in retailprices. Bye for now. +------------------------------------------------------+ | Roel and Ans Schuhmacher; Maarheeze, The Netherlands | | e-mail: schuhmac@iaehv.nl | +------------------------------------------------------+ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:11:28 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Harrison... Thanks for a great trip report. It made me 1) laugh 2) wish I lived in California. Thanks. Alan '89 PC800 '84 Magna '94 V535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Rob Ramsey Cc: "'Pacific Coast'" Subject: Re: New member On Sun, 19 May 1996, Rob Ramsey wrote: > Hi y'all. Browsing around I soon found the PC800 web site and joined you all. Here'e me: > > Name: Rob Ramsey > Location: Zoetermeer, Netherlands > Email: RRamsey@DeRoo.NL Welcome aboard, Bob. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:16:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Roel Schuhmacher Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New members On Sun, 19 May 1996, Roel Schuhmacher wrote: > Hello, > We are Roel and Ans Schuhmacher from the Netherlands. We simply surfed on > the PC800 Website and are very exicted to find fellow companions sharing > the same interest: the PC800. snip A warm welcome, Roel and Ans. Its great to have Europeans on the list. Richard Hardy, San Diego, California ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:35:06 -0500 (CDT) To: "Richard A. Hardy" From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Handbar ajustment Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >What's the "no space to spare" tool kit, Waldo?. I've adjusted my bars >also as best I can for my short arms, but if *anyone* can tell me how to >move them back about 2", I'd be eternally grateful. > >Richard Try ramming a brick wall at say 15-20 miles per hour. This may take care of the grateful enternaly part also. Just kidding. Do not try this at home. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Handbar ajustment On Sun, 19 May 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > Made an interesting discovery this weekend. The PC handbar IS adjustble up > and down. I simply poped off the middle handbar cover, loosen the two top > handbar mounting screws, lifted the handbar a bit, tighted the screws, poped > the cover back on. The time including repacking the "no space to spare" > tool kit, about 10 minutes. > > The ace mechanic at the Honda shop and the salesperson told me about 4 > years ago when I bought my new 90 PC the handbar was NOT adjustable. What's the "no space to spare" tool kit, Waldo?. I've adjusted my bars also as best I can for my short arms, but if *anyone* can tell me how to move them back about 2", I'd be eternally grateful. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:12:03 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Motoport Ultra II Kevlar Pants Report Hi, Gang, First the good news... The pants are VERY well-made. No question about it; they match the workmanship on my Aerostich Darien Jacket. They are easy to get in an out of thanks to a zipper on one leg that goes from ankle to waist, and from ankle to knee on the other. The waist is very flexible and comfortable. The velcro closures are all well-placed and easy to use. The bad news... I hated them. Wearing them, that is. They are just so bulky ( and yes I had the right size). Plus, the knee pads actually were uncomfortable and hurt my knees. Of course, my knees are 48. More good news... My wife loves hers. Her knees aren't 48. She wore them around 10 hours total over the weekend (yes, folks, we actually had a weekend here in Cleveland that didn't rain or snow) both on her bike and on the back on mine. Shirley said they were never hot or uncomfortable in any way. So, at $235 a pair I won't be just accepting of the bad points.. they are going back. Anybody wear chaps? Any luck? Also, the padding on the pants is excellent, and I could see how it could prevent injury in a crash or collision. I guess like most things, they'll work for some people and not for others. Take care, Alan '89 PC800 '84 Magna '94 V535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:42:10 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ready for trip Content-Id: <22_57_1_832606930> Well, guys, I've spent most of the weekend readying the PC for my first trip of the season: Home Base (Columbia, MD) to Brooklyn, Michigan for the first U.S. 500 Indy Car Race on Sunday. (This is the new race set up to compete with the Indianapolis 500 after Tony George, owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, changed the rules to guarantee 25 spots on the grid to members of his new Indy Rookie League, sorry, Indy Racing League. All the great drivers -- Unser, Jr., Fittipaldi, Rahal, Andretti -- will be in Michigan.) >> If anyone else on this list is going to Michigan for the race, I'd love to meet up with you!<< Anyway, my portable sound system is now ready. I installed a cigarette lighter in the left side fairing pocket, and bought a nice Panasonic portable CD player with shock protection (SL-S491C). The CD player's electronic shock protection works great! (BTW, I found a similar Kenwood unit didn't have enough output to be heard even over the very quiet PC. Sony and Panasonic were louder.) This unit has a remote control (I know, it sounds ridiculous, a remote for a player you can carry in your pocket!) and I may try to work out a way to stick the remote on the handlebars and temporarily mount the player on the tank, but I won't have time to work that out for this trip. I'll just carry the player in its case strapped over my shoulder, or in a fanny pack. Ear buds (instead of a headset or speakers) in, and I'm set. me that in order to hear them over the road and through the helmet, you'd have to be really blaring, and deafening everyone else on the road. Even then the sound quality couldn't be great with the PC's 3-inch max speakers, especially in the bass. I've always found a portable with speakers in the helmet or in my ears to be cheaper, easier, and more flexible. Or am I missing something, you guys with mounted stereos?) Also, thanks to the influence of this list, I've invested in some armored riding clothes: a Fieldsheer Sabre jacket and Motoport pants. They probably won't be quite as comfy as my Marlon Brando-style leather jacket and jeans, but safer. Especially those pants, they're really hefty. Now I know how knights felt when they put on their suits of armor! Weather and my butt permitting, I'll be making the 600 miles in a single dash, which unfortunately won't give me time for leisurely rides through scenic routes. (I recommend the back roads of southwestern Pennsylvania.) Just interslabs all the way, probably. A full report on my return. Till then, --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:05:28 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Olympic Visitors To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu If any of you are planning to come to Atlanta for the Olympics and bringing your PCs or other bikes, let me know. Our family is taking vacation from July 18 to the 25th (the first week of the Olympics) to give them time to fix all the problems; but will be home after that. Would love to hook up and do an afternoon or evening ride; or at a minimum, I can give you some directions for some short but beautiful rides a short distance out of Atlanta. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 20 May 96 12:07:33 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motoport Ultra II Kevlar Pants Report Content-Id: <22_57_1_832608453> As my post earlier today stated, I just bought a pair of these, too. Wearing them home from the store, I was surprised at how the knee pads pressed up against my knees, but it wasn't uncomfortable (for about an hour). I was hoping that 1) they would break it a bit or b) it just wouldn't start to hurt on the long haul. A fuller report on my experience with them one week and 1200 miles from now. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:31:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Alan D. Smith" cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motoport Ultra II Kevlar Pants Report Alan, I've worn chaps for many years and prefer them to the riding suits and pants I've had. I find them more comfortable, especially during long summer rides because being open at the crotch and rear they provide better cooling and can be easily taken off on stops. One thing though...make sure they are not tight through the legs, they should be slightly loose with a pair of jeans under them...allows the leather to breathe. That and the fact that I think they look cool they are what I wear. :) Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Mon, 20 May 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > Hi, Gang, > > First the good news... > > The pants are VERY well-made. No question about it; they match > the workmanship on my Aerostich Darien Jacket. They are easy > to get in an out of thanks to a zipper on one leg that goes from > ankle to waist, and from ankle to knee on the other. The waist > is very flexible and comfortable. The velcro closures are all > well-placed and easy to use. > > The bad news... > > I hated them. Wearing them, that is. They are just so bulky ( > and yes I had the right size). Plus, the knee pads actually were > uncomfortable and hurt my knees. Of course, my knees are 48. > > More good news... > > My wife loves hers. Her knees aren't 48. She wore them around > 10 hours total over the weekend (yes, folks, we actually had a > weekend here in Cleveland that didn't rain or snow) both on her > bike and on the back on mine. Shirley said they were never > hot or uncomfortable in any way. > > So, at $235 a pair I won't be just accepting of the bad points.. > they are going back. Anybody wear chaps? Any luck? > > Also, the padding on the pants is excellent, and I could see > how it could prevent injury in a crash or collision. > > I guess like most things, they'll work for some people and not > for others. > > Take care, > > Alan > '89 PC800 > '84 Magna > '94 V535 (The Better Half's) > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:08:55 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Hotlanta To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Whew, was it hot this weekend. Saturday, I had to work out in the yard doing those chores that I had been putting off for months and couldn't talk, order or command my kids to do because of their inexperience or safety issues. Got up to 92o F. and I couldn't drink the water fast enough. Debbie and I had planned to get up early Sunday and ride up to the Ocoee River in Tennessee to watch the U. S. National kayak trials on the kayaking course they built for the Olympics. I had riden up solo a couple of weekends ago, but the course was under construction and they would let people walk up on foot and the TN state patrol was keeping vehicles from pulling over to the side and watching. I don't know if it is my old age, the heat or what (probably some combination of both); but we both were moving slow Sunday morning and didn't get started until about 10:30am. Remembering our experience from last summer that I shared with the group a couple of months ago where Debbie suffered a medical crisis from dehydration when we took a short trip in 103o heat; we made plenty of stops to cool off and keep the fluids in. We left north Atlanta up Hwy 372. Passing through the farm lands, we couldn't help but notice that all the cattle and horses had already moved toward the shade. I had hope that staying on the back roads would help, but the sun was almost directly overhead and there was very little shade. We stopped in Ball Ground to top off the tank and relax for a little while. We decided that it was too hot and late to try and make it to the Ocoee; so we headed up to Jasper and then to Talking Rock on Hwy 136 into Ellijay. Just north of Ellijay, we headed east on Hwy 52 towards Dahlonega. We had to make the mandatory stop at the ostrich farm just south of Dahlonega. I don't know the normal climate for ostriches, but they also seemed to be seeking the shade. We stopped in the historical mining town of Dahlonega where they were having their spring Wildflower Artists show. After a sandwich and lots of water, we browsed the exhibits and saw a number of nice paintings, pottery and other items. One big advantage I have found in going to these events by 2 wheels, is the limited amount of stuff that Debbie can buy. As much room as the PC has in its trunk, she hasn't figured out a way to cram a 3' painting. I was able to escape with a couple of small pottery pieces. If she ever discovers that most of these people will ship their work (for a modest fee), I am in real trouble. We headed home on Hwy 9 through Dawsonville, Cumming and Alpharetta. We should have cut over to GA 400 once we passed through Dawsonville, as the road is not that interesting and the traffic really builds. An uneventful trip, but a nice way to spend a hot day. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Olympic Visitors Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:10:06 -0700 My partner Leanne and I debated about taking the bike to Atlanta. We decided that due to our inherint dislike for hot humid weather AND that we would be living in a campground we thought it best to get a rental car for the simple fact it has air conditioned. Our car, our refuge, our savior from the heat. Still plan to take the bus everywhere though. The KOA is next to one of the big park-n-ride lots we hear. Just another handful of weeks to go. Yehah! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:dlwinger@ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Monday, May 20, 1996 9:05 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Olympic Visitors > >If any of you are planning to come to Atlanta for the Olympics and >bringing your PCs or other bikes, let me know. Our family is taking >vacation from July 18 to the 25th (the first week of the Olympics) to >give them time to fix all the problems; but will be home after that. > >Would love to hook up and do an afternoon or evening ride; or at a >minimum, I can give you some directions for some short but beautiful >rides a short distance out of Atlanta. > >Ride Safe, > >Dave Lott >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:40:10 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Ride a BMW During the Olympics To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu The following appeared in the GA Chapter HSTA newsletter: Ride a BMW in Atlanta During the Olympics? Would you like to have the opportunity to ride a factory issued R850 or R1100 as an escort or courier during the Olympics? And possibly get paid for it? One of the organizing groups is looking for motorcyclists to work during the Games. If interested, call Steve McCarthy (404) 865-4771, or send a resume to him at 230 Peachtree Street. NW Atlanta, GA 30303. Might be an interesting way to have an Olympics vacation. Ride Safe, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: Atlanta - but not the Olympics To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu A friend of mine will be going to Atlanta some time next month for a convention. He does not belong to this list but wants to know if there is someplace in Atlanta that rents motorcycles. He owns a Nighthawk but would like to try something new. Any good suggestions out there? Thanks Mike ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Mon, 20 May 96 11:01:09 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ready for trip Content-Id: <12_59_1_832604469> Well, guys, I've spent most of the weekend readying the PC for my first trip of the season: Home Base (Columbia, MD) to Brooklyn, Michigan for the first U.S. 500 Indy Car Race on Sunday. (This is the new race set up to compete with the Indianapolis 500 after Tony George, owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, changed the rules to guarantee 25 spots on the grid to members of his new Indy Rookie League, sorry, Indy Racing League. All the great drivers -- Unser, Jr., Fittipaldi, Rahal, Andretti -- will be in Michigan.) >> If anyone else on this list is going to Michigan for the race, I'd love to meet up with you!<< Anyway, my portable sound system is now ready. I installed a cigarette lighter in the left side fairing pocket, and bought a nice Panasonic portable CD player with shock protection (SL-S491C). The CD player's electronic shock protection works great! (BTW, I found a similar Kenwood unit didn't have enough output to be heard even over the very quiet PC. Sony and Panasonic were louder.) This unit has a remote control (I know, it sounds ridiculous, a remote for a player you can carry in your pocket!) and I may try to work out a way to stick the remote on the handlebars and temporarily mount the player on the tank, but I won't have time to work that out for this trip. I'll just carry the player in its case strapped over my shoulder, or in a fanny pack. Ear buds (instead of a headset or speakers) in, and I'm set. me that in order to hear them over the road and through the helmet, you'd have to be really blaring, and deafening everyone else on the road. Even then the sound quality couldn't be great with the PC's 3-inch max speakers, especially in the bass. I've always found a portable with speakers in the helmet or in my ears to be cheaper, easier, and more flexible. Or am I missing something, you guys with mounted stereos?) Also, thanks to the influence of this list, I've invested in some armored riding clothes: a Fieldsheer Sabre jacket and Motoport pants. They probably won't be quite as comfy as my Marlon Brando-style leather jacket and jeans, but safer. Especially those pants, they're really hefty. Now I know how knights felt when they put on their suits of armor! Weather and my butt permitting, I'll be making the 600 miles in a single dash, which unfortunately won't give me time for leisurely rides through scenic routes. (I recommend the back roads of southwestern Pennsylvania.) Just interslabs all the way, probably. A full report on my return. Till then, --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:05:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Americade? Been away for while moving to NJ. Boy, the mail builds up. Is anyone going to Americade? I am planning on going durring the week. Don't ask me how I know that if the bike falls over in the gravel not much damage is done. Not me, this was thanks to my father-in-law. Just another of the many fine perks of being married! All you single guys hear that? Anyhow, let me know if anyone is interested. I may be able to swing some no-cost accomadations. Chris Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:11:02 +0000 Subject: The Great New Mexico Outback Roadtrip....... All, What a beautiful Saturday morning, Great day for a ride, I had plans to meet Michael, a friend who rides a Gold Wing. We had made some quick arrangements to meet at his place. So I go jump on my PC 800 and start out. I live in Rio Rancho, NM and to start out on this little adventure I have to commute out to Sandia Park, a 40+ mile ride around the backside of the Sandia's Mountain in the Cibola (Pronounce it like the virus except with "C".) National Forest. Met up with Michael and started out cruising up HWY. 14. Very windy and curvy but not terrible. First sign of civilization we run through is a small town called Golden, NM, and population of about 50. We opt for the straight through ride and continue on north to Madrid. Madrid used to be a very sleepy mining town, there are still some tailing mounds as you enter the town, continuing on in to the center of town you come to a very busy main street with many artist shops and antique stores. We made this our first stop, as the temp was in the 90's it was time to DRINK!!! Fresh lemonade and some shade works wonders. After browsing and looking around, we head back to the bikes to continue north. Only went north for a little bit, got off the main road and dropped by Cerrillos, to look at the What Not Shop. Old fashioned one-of-a-kind antique store, run by a older gentleman that still gets up and greets you at the door with a "Hello, How are you". We role out of Cerrillos and blast to the 25 north and for the first time we are running at 75 MPH with what seems to be no wind. Ha Ha, the wind is hiding and finds us as soon as we exit the 25 onto the 41 south and start getting 25-35 MPH gusts. We follow the 41 south to the Lamy exit hoping to get some DRINK, Lamy has a train depot and a saloon, that is closed for remodeling. Boo... Back on and ride to an area 2 miles south of Galisteo to the next stop, in the middle of the road, In the hills south of Galisteo, parts of Silverado were filmed and the town of Silverado, movie set are still standing. On south we head looking for cattle trough's, anything to DRINK. We end up in Stanley, NM where there is a little general store, that still sells home made tamales wrapped in corn husks. Ahhh... lunch is served. With DRINK. From Stanley we head south to the 344 which is straight and about 15-20 long. Hmmm... what a great place to see if the PC had it in her today.......105 MPH and don't ask if I saw the tach, I didn't, only the speedo. But I can report that the PC seems to run smoother, cleaner, better. From there it's back to the barn and figure out the next road trip. Robert P. Mathews, CNA/CNE 1996 Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:02:43 +0000 Subject: The Great New Mexico Outback Roadtrip........ All, What a beautiful Saturday morning, Great day for a ride, I had plans to meet Michael, a friend who rides a Gold Wing. We had made some quick arrangements to meet at his place. So I go jump on my PC 800 and start out. I live in Rio Rancho, NM and to start out on this little adventure I have to commute out to Sandia Park, a 40+ mile ride around the backside of the Sandia's Mountain in the Cibola (Pronounce it like the virus except with "C".) National Forest. Met up with Michael and started out cruising up HWY. 14. Very windy and curvy but not terrible. First sign of civilization we run through is a small town called Golden, NM, and population of about 50. We opt for the straight through ride and continue on north to Madrid. Madrid used to be a very sleepy mining town, there are still some tailing mounds as you enter the town, continuing on in to the center of town you come to a very busy main street with many artist shops and antique stores. We made this our first stop, as the temp was in the 90's it was time to DRINK!!! Fresh lemonade and some shade works wonders. After browsing and looking around, we head back to the bikes to continue north. Only went north for a little bit, got off the main road and dropped by Cerrillos, to look at the What Not Shop. Old fashioned one-of-a-kind antique store, run by a older gentleman that still gets up and greets you at the door with a "Hello, How are you". We role out of Cerrillos and blast to the 25 north and for the first time we are running at 75 MPH with what seems to be no wind. Ha Ha, the wind is hiding and finds us as soon as we exit the 25 onto the 41 south and start getting 25-35 MPH gusts. We follow the 41 south to the Lamy exit hoping to get some DRINK, Lamy has a train depot and a saloon, that is closed for remodeling. Boo... Back on and ride to an area 2 miles south of Galisteo to the next stop, in the middle of the road, In the hills south of Galisteo, parts of Silverado were filmed and the town of Silverado, movie set are still standing. On south we head looking for cattle trough's, anything to DRINK. We end up in Stanley, NM where there is a little general store, that still sells home made tamales wrapped in corn husks. Ahhh... lunch is served. With DRINK. From Stanley we head south to the 344 which is straight and about 15-20 long. Hmmm... what a great place to see if the PC had it in her today.......105 MPH and don't ask if I saw the tach, I didn't, only the speedo. But I can report that the PC seems to run smoother, cleaner, better. From there it's back to the barn and figure out the next road trip. Robert Robert P. Mathews, CNA/CNE 1996 Pacific Coast "Burning Paycheck" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:04:33 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: speed... one last shot on the speed v. rpm issue. On the weekend trip. I got the following results -- 75 mph @ 5000 rpm 70 mph @ 4700 rpm 65 mph @ 4200 rpm Metlzer ML2s front and rear, stock windshield. go figger. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:15:15 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: kudos A few weeks ago, I put out an appeal for a shop manual (which I hope I never use) and a Honda/Kenwood radio manual (which I didn't receive when I bought my '89 this spring). I received quick responses and bought a shop manual from Wes St. Onge out in New York. I sent Wes the agreed price of $25.00 (which is a very fair price) and received the manual, in excellent shape, a few days later. Mike Bavister, out in California, made a photo copy of his radio manual and sent it to me without any cost involved. I received it in the mail a few days ago. Mike had even taken the time to cut the pages to size and assemble it in a book form. My sincere appreciation to both of these guys. It is another example of what makes this list work so well. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:34:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: seepage Dave, Yes, I am also experiencing very slow oil seepage on the right hand side. I have an '89 PC with approx. 21,000 miles. Bob ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support voice: (609) 722-3777 Lockheed Martin E-mail: rmarks@motown.lmco.com fax: (609) 722-4410 Moorestown, NJ (near Philadelphia, PA.) AMA, HRC ... '89 PC800, '84 Helix (Nancy's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 May 96 10:17:38 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors A few days ago Dave Gross asked about oil seepage on the right side of the bike. Well Dave, I looked and sure enough. I have some too. I consume no oil (Mobil 1) and while I might gunk it one of these days, I wouldn dream of doing anything about it. 38,000 miles give or take. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. On another topic . . . . . Anyone out there get a gas odor when they shut off their bike? This began around 30,000 and I can't find anything wrong. Gas mileage is 48-51 . . . . same as it ever was. There is some crud around the base of the carbs but, the smell seems to be something else. Anyone have any thoughts on this one? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:14:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motoport Ultra II Kevlar Pants Report Hi Alan, My experience with the Motoport knee pads was similar to yours. When I first got my suit (The GP-2 jacket and pants), the knee pads were uncomfortable and produced little hot spots on the knee caps after a couple of hours. I talked with Wayne Boyer (Motoport USA's Pres.), and he said that the pads would conform to the knee fairly quickly and become comfortable when "broken in." Also the Kevlar material stretches to a "custom" fit after a while. I decided to stay with the pants, and I am pleased to report that Wayne was correct. The pants are now quite comfortable, although they still produce slight "red spots" on the knee caps. You also get used to the "bulky" feeling as all of the pads relax into their final fit. In short, although I was initially less than please with the comfort of the pads, I am now more than happy with the way they feel and function. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 96 08:05:49 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rmathews@us1.net Subject: Re: The Great New Mexico Outback Roadtrip........ REPLY TO 05/20/96 19:50 FROM rmathews@us1.net "Robert Mathews": PC800: The Great New Mexico Outback Roadtrip........ Great trip report Robert! Sounds like some great scenery, history, food, and DRINK! Erin Dolin Mountain View, CA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rmathews@us1.net cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 07:56:01 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors Parrothead wrote: [snip] > Anyone out there get a gas odor when they shut off their bike? To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Yep. Pretty much every time. I think there's something in the archives about this, but don't have time to look this a.m. I'll search later & let you know what I find. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:05:42 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gas Odor Greetings, Last night, I pulled the bike into the barn while it was still hot, and noticed the gas odor. Haven't looked into it yet, but it seems to me that the gas tank gets pressurized a bit as ya ride. (Maybe that's due to elevation change, as I live almost 2000' higher than work. I'll try and figure it out.) Anyway, that could explain it. We have a Honda car that does that really bad, builds up a lot of pressure to the point of pumping raw gas out the filler. Bob C. NM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:39:15 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors >Anyone out there get a gas odor when they shut off their bike? > >This began around 30,000 and I can't find anything wrong. Gas mileage is 48-51 . >. . . same as it ever was. There is some crud around the base of the carbs but, >the smell seems to be something else. > >Anyone have any thoughts on this one? > >Dennis Gas Cap. Try this. When you shut off the bike place take a piece from a plastic bag and put it under the cap. See if you still get the smell. Also check the arhives. Much discussion on this topic earlier. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:01 -0400 To: rmarks@motown.ge.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Routine Maintenance I changed my oil, oil filter and final drive oil last week end. This week end I replaced the spark plugs. I put in Mobil One. I notice a considerable improvement over Honda's synthetic, particularly when shifting. I purchased the NGK plugs (DPR8EA-9) from Western Auto for $1.37 each. My local Honda Dealer wanted $2.75 per plug and $20.00 to change them. That adds up to $31.00 before the 6.8% sales tax for a job I did myself for less tha $6.00. Changing the plugs was real simple, with the exception of the right front plug, which is a tiger to get to. Be sure to open the trunk before removing the side panels. I also used an old auto rubber vacuum hose to set the plugs before tighting. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 96 10:52:15 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Horn Subject: PC800/HRCA Manassas chapter I am a member of this list and have been enjoying the messages here for a couple of months. I have a 1995 Black and Silver PC800 and am very happy with it. I have put over 9000 miles on my PC in the first year and was curious about how many miles other PC owners have put on their bikes in the same amout of time. I am a member of HRCA and GWRRA. I have created a web page for my chapter of HRCA(Honda Riders Club of America) here's the URL: http://beta.nova.org/~jeffh . Please feel free to check it out and email me your comments and suggestions. On the opening page I put a PC800 picture. My fellow members of the Manassas, VA chapter of HRCA complained a little about the opening picture being a PC800, but since I did all the work and am paying for the sight I felt my bike should be the one on the opening page. Thanks. Jeff Horn jeffh@fcbs.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:02:02 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Re: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors >Yep. Pretty much every time. I think there's something in the archives >about this, but don't have time to look this a.m. I'll search later & >let you know what I find. Where do I find these archives?? Thanks! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:08:41 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Air filter Hello all, It is time again for a tune-up, and I was once again reminded I had to spend $30+ for the air filter. Does anyone know of a cheaper filter or better yet, a filter with a cleanable element? Thanks to all that responded to my question on outfitting a police/escort bike. Got some good ideas! Karl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 May 96 15:48:49 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Needle Shim Hey Brice, Got a friend of mine in another state doing the carb jetting mods to her PC. Her Honda shop wants to know what size (thickness) shim to put under the needle. I called my mech and he said he used a modified needle clip. (He says this is a regular practice for him and has always worked well.) If you'd check w/ your shop when you get a minute and find out the thickness of the shim they used and get back to me on it, I'd appreciate it! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:59:43 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors At 10:17 AM 5/21/96 EDT, you wrote: >Anyone out there get a gas odor when they shut off their bike? The gas smell after shut-down has been one of the most extensive threads in this list. The most likely culprit was a perforated (pinhole) diphragm in the vacuum petcock, but best to check the archives for further detail. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:14:13 +1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: korbel1@popsicle.llnl.gov (George Korbel) Subject: Recent trip, tires, etc. This past Sunday I took a longest trip on PC so far and since I was very pleased how things went, I thought to share a few observations with you all. I started early from outside San Francisco, and through Bakersfield and Mohave drove to Death Valley. In recent National Geographic magazine was an article where the writer describes a 80 mile journey thru Saline Valley road which destroyed his 4-wheel drive jeep. It sounded like a challenge for PC. I may report that I drove on that road 30 miles, nothing bad happened to my PC, but it took me 3 hours (due to terrible ruts, potholes, deep sand etc. I turned back after 15 miles). Then after visiting Panamint, Darwin, and Lone Pine, I turned and returned home. Total time 18 hours, 950 miles. On way back in Tehachapi and Mohave I was fitting gusty winds - probably 35-40 m/hr - and when I arrived I had pretty sored neck/shoulder muscles. Otherwise both bike and I were fine. I rode my 1990 PC a few times 600-700 miles but never this much in a day. Tires. When I returned I just had 15,000 miles on my back tire - Metzeler 88 Marathon 140/90 (yes 90) and the thread was gone in places. I am buying Metzeler ML2 140/80 today. But I am happy with the 15K miles I got out off the Marathon tire. The front is Metzeler ML2 with 12K miles and good for 3-5K more, I hope. Also, when the temperature gets over 90F I use a seat pad for motorcycles made of woven 1/2" wooden balls. Air flows underneath, butt doesn't get too hot. When the air temperature cools back to 75-80 I remove it. For the record, I have 1990 model, which I bought in 1994 with 3,000 miles. Now I have 25K miles. I have stock windshield with Saeng edging, cruise control which works nice on a straight, flat road and otherwise all standard. So far no problems, no smells. Since I mostly read this NG I thought to share some experiences with you all. Happy (and safe) miles! George ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:08:11 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Air filter At 01:08 PM 5/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > >It is time again for a tune-up, and I was once again reminded I had to spend >$30+ for the air filter. Does anyone know of a cheaper filter or better yet, >a filter with a cleanable element? Karl, if you are only spending $30+ for the air filter, you are already doing better than most of us. Retail for the filter is between 50 and 60 clams! To date, K&N does not have a replacement filter for the PC. Wht do you think guys? Time to cal K&N *again*? Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 96 18:10:11 -0800 From: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Subject: pc stator failure To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu My stator went while idling at a light . my 89' had 28,000 mi. I have been told that putting additional loads, [electric grips and 90 watt headlamp bulb], will contribute to a slightly shorter life for the stator. I was not sure what happened as the bike just stopped and would not restart. I pushed the bike to a service station and barrowed ,[in a run-down section in queens no less], their voltage tester and sampled the battery. Barely alive! Lifeless as the red-faced winoes sprawled on the sidewalk near by. I payed the nice mechanic for a quick charge of my battery , no need to remove battery ,[be careful not to ground the frame]. I charged for a half hour while phoning my local shop and took out the fuse for the headlight , thus lowering the electrical load. It would take about a half hour to ride to the shop, they said I would probobly make it before the battery died and I did. I was pissed when I got the bill. I needed a new battery and stator. I bitched about how six moonths ago they sold me a new battery and tested the stator ,amongst other things , at insallation. The service manager once told me," a year is long time for a battery" . I was compelled to loose all self composure. " This was no ordinary battery ," I insisted , "this was a YU-MICRON -2 with SULFATE-STOP! " Well I have heard that it was possible to increase the output of a stator by rewinding it to higher specs. I was later informed by the guys who rebuilt mine ,for 150 dollars, that this was not possible with my particular stator. NOTE: the rebuild was the same cost as buying a new one but that the new ones were not guarateed for six months as mine would be. the shop labor charge was over $200.00 to remove/replace stator and change battery. ANY REACTIONS? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Seepage on purl girls and gas odors From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 21 May 1996 17:25:14 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "KS" == Karl Siebrecht writes: KS> Where do I find these archives?? On the web. The PC800 web page, whose address is given at the bottom of every message, contains plenty of information about the PC and this list. You can browse there to get to the archives. A more direct route is to go to . -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Air filter From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 21 May 1996 17:30:55 -0500 Lines: 26 >>>>> "KS" == Karl Siebrecht writes: KS> Hello all, It is time again for a tune-up, and I was once again KS> reminded I had to spend $30+ for the air filter. Does anyone know of a KS> cheaper filter or better yet, a filter with a cleanable element? A quick search for "air filter" in the archives turned up the following, from Ray Nielsen: -- I have used a Fram CA3559 air filter from a mid 80s Dodge sucessfully in the PC. Cut out the old filter with a thin bladed knife and clean up the remaining paper remnants. Trim the rubber edging of the Fram (or equivalent) just enough to fit inside the opening with the pleats facing up. Use RTV rubber to "cement" the new filter in place and wait until it cures completely. Make sure the lowed edge of the plastic frame is even with the air filter bottom surgace. When you put the air box cover back on it will indent a couple of the pleats a bit, but it doesn't hurt anything. Sure beats Honda's price for the air cleaner element. -- I don't believe there is any other option besides the Honda filter, which can be had from Honda of Milpitas for about $30 plus shipping. That's the cheapest anyone's found. Note that I haven't tried the Dodge filter hack. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 96 23:42:16 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Rufener" Subject: RE: kudos Am I the only one receiving posts on this list that appear to have the beginning chopped off? Like the one below. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 1996 2:15 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: kudos never use) and a Honda/Kenwood radio manual (which I didn't receive when I bought my '89 this spring). I received quick responses and bought a shop manual from Wes St. Onge out in New York. I sent Wes the agreed price of $25.00 (which is a very fair price) and received the manual, in excellent shape, a few days later. Mike Bavister, out in California, made a photo copy of his radio manual and sent it to me without any cost involved. I received it in the mail a few days ago. Mike had even taken the time to cut the pages to size and assemble it in a book form. My sincere appreciation to both of these guys. It is another example of what makes this list work so well. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@baileynm.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Re: pc stator failure To: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu ++ ++My stator went while idling at a light . my 89' had 28,000 mi. ++ Don't have my PC800 shop manual here to check, but I'm sure that a number of items have to be disconnected or removed from the engine before the alternator cover can be removed to get to the stator, and then, once the stator is removed and replaced, the reverse to reassemble the bike. So a bill of $200 or so does not sound out of line at all to me. I know I've replaced stators on a Kawasaki KZ1100 and a Honda GL500, and each, although not terribly difficult, was time-consuming. The GL500, in fact, required the removal of the engine from the bike! I wouldn't have thought you could find places to rebuild bike stators. Who did it for you, an alternator shop or the dealer? To have that done for $150 also seems a reasonable charge to me. Hopefully since you've now paid homage to the electrical gods, you will have no more stator/battery problems on your '89 for as long as you own it. Tom '90PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 96 00:04:10 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Barbara Brick" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: pc stator failure My '90 purchased new in '92 has the original stator and battery after 102K. I have Priority Plus and run a 100/55 headlight bulb which is frequently on high-beam. Plus a radar detector. Recent posts would lead you to believe the problem is the '89. Any '90 had a stator or regulator go bad? ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Barbara Brick Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 1996 10:10 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc stator failure My stator went while idling at a light . my 89' had 28,000 mi. I have been told that putting additional loads, [electric grips and 90 watt headlamp bulb], will contribute to a slightly shorter life for the stator. I was not sure what happened as the bike just stopped and would not restart. I pushed the bike to a service station and barrowed ,[in a run-down section in queens no less], their voltage tester and sampled the battery. Barely alive! Lifeless as the red-faced winoes sprawled on the sidewalk near by. I payed the nice mechanic for a quick charge of my battery , no need to remove battery ,[be careful not to ground the frame]. I charged for a half hour while phoning my local shop and took out the fuse for the headlight , thus lowering the electrical load. It would take about a half hour to ride to the shop, they said I would probobly make it before the battery died and I did. I was pissed when I got the bill. I needed a new battery and stator. I bitched about how six moonths ago they sold me a new battery and tested the stator ,amongst other things , at insallation. The service manager once told me," a year is long time for a battery" . I was compelled to loose all self composure. " This was no ordinary battery ," I insisted , "this was a YU-MICRON -2 with SULFATE-STOP! " Well I have heard that it was possible to increase the output of a stator by rewinding it to higher specs. I was later informed by the guys who rebuilt mine ,for 150 dollars, that this was not possible with my particular stator. NOTE: the rebuild was the same cost as buying a new one but that the new ones were not guarateed for six months as mine would be. the shop labor charge was over $200.00 to remove/replace stator and change battery. ANY REACTIONS? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 May 96 21:01:00 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Air filter In response to Karl's message ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Air filter Hrmph . . . . I blow mine out from the inside with compressed air. *Maybe* I will treat the bike to a new one at 50,000. I have 38, 000 give or take so far. Save the money. If you blow it out and can see light through it, its fine. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 21 May 96 23:05:43 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: seepage Content-Id: <17_65_1_832734343> > > Dave, > > Yes, I am also experiencing very slow oil seepage on the right hand side. > I have an '89 PC with approx. 21,000 miles. > > Bob > > Robert E. Marks =============== Me too on my '89, 23K miles. I noticed it while changing my plugs this weekend, then people started writing about it here. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 21 May 96 23:26:22 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: speed... Content-Id: <17_65_1_832735582> Guys, Steve's readings are pretty much exactly the same as mine ('89, 23K miles, brand new Metzlers, everything else stock), but I know that my speedo reads 5 mph too high at 60 or so (indicated 65 is actually 60). If I find some measured miles on the way to Michigan, I'll do more timing of the speedo. --James > [Chopped off first line?!?] > one last shot on the speed v. rpm issue. On the weekend trip. I got the > following results -- > > 75 mph @ 5000 rpm > 70 mph @ 4700 rpm > 65 mph @ 4200 rpm > > Metlzer ML2s front and rear, stock windshield. > > go figger. > -- > Steve Gross > "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:32:48 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Stator failure - what's it cost? >My stator went while idling at a light . my 89' had 28,000 mi. > >I was pissed when I got the bill. I needed a new battery and stator. I was compelled to loose all self >composure. "... >... I was later informed by the guys who rebuilt mine ,for 150 dollars, ... >...the shop labor charge was over $200.00 to remove/replace stator and change >battery. > > >ANY REACTIONS? > Yeah, Now I'm wondering if I got ripped off. I know I live in Hawaii and things are a little more expensive here. I had my stator replaced on my 89 about 5k miles ago, shortly after I bought the bike. This was before I had the benefits of being on this list. (Which incidently is a GREAT resource - Thanks.) So, when I got the bill, I just paid it. It was done at a super-reputable Honda shop here. I just took out my bill to check with your prices Barbara, and I was SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!! I had to pay $238.58 for the stator unit and another $153.93 for the rectifier assembly. The labor was only about $125. So in all it was $517.51. I'm going to write to Honda to check up on this hidden warrenty some of you guys have mentioned. What do you guys think of the price I paid? Is it fair, or way too high? I don't have much of a sense for this, especially isolated out here. Did the local dealership rip me off? They're known for honesty, but I had some other things done on the bike at the same time and the labor charges seemed a little high for the actual work done. I'd appreciate your advice. Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 21 May 96 23:20:51 +0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: kudos Content-Id: <17_65_1_832735251> Line 1==> Line 2==> Line 3==> NO!!! It happens to me, too. I thought it was something wrong with my mail package, but haven't had time to look into it! --James //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 21 May 96 23:42:16 +0000 > From: "Roger Prince" > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, > "Bob Rufener" > Subject: RE: kudos > > Am I the only one receiving posts on this list that appear to have the > beginning chopped off? Like the one below. > > ################################################################ > *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 > *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 > *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman > *FRANKLIN, MA > ################################################################ > > > > > > ---------- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 1996 2:15 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: kudos > > never use) and a Honda/Kenwood radio manual (which I didn't receive when I > bought my '89 this spring). > > I received quick responses and bought a shop manual from Wes St. Onge out > in New York. I sent Wes the agreed price of $25.00 (which is a very fair > price) and received the manual, in excellent shape, a few days later. > > Mike Bavister, out in California, made a photo copy of his radio manual > and sent it to me without any cost involved. I received it in the mail a few > days ago. Mike had even taken the time to cut the pages to size and assemble > it in a book form. > > My sincere appreciation to both of these guys. It is another example of > what makes this list work so well. > > Bob > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Roger Prince" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Rufener" Subject: Re: kudos From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 21 May 1996 23:34:33 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "RP" == "Roger Prince" writes: RP> Am I the only one receiving posts on this list that appear to have the RP> beginning chopped off? If you indent the first line of your message, it will be eaten. This is a bug in the mailing list software I run that has persisted even through the upgrade I did recently. This is orthogonal to a bug in AOL which will occasionally eat the first line of a message. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:00:52 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Radar detectors Hi all, Sometimes in messages on the list radar detectors show up. I'm very interested in buying one of those things as I recently got two speeding tickets :( driving my car. Radar detectors are not illegal in Holland, but _very_ expensive. I found out police over here uses 13, 24 and 34 GHz radar signals. Does anyone have experience using radar detectors and what brand/model do you use/advice? Thanx, Hans. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:13:25 -0700 From: Roel Schuhmacher Subject: Transmitting and receiving system To: PC 800 mailinglist USA I'am looking for a transmitting an receiving system to communicate between 2 or more motorcycles. Who has experience with these products? In Europe, the only really good working system is the equipment of the German brand Baehr. Only the price isn't nice: $ 560 each bike. +----------------------------------------------+ | Roel Schuhmacher; Maarheeze, The Netherlands | | e-mail: schuhmac@iaehv.nl | +----------------------------------------------+ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Subject: Clutch slip Hi, guys and gals. My clutch is starting to slip on my '90 PC, and I wondered if anyone else has had the problem. It doesn't slip with "ordinary" use, but it does when a heavy demand is placed on it, e.g., rounding a hairpin turn and dropping the gearing down for an upgrade as you come out of the turn. Occasionally it will also slip while in 4th or 5th if I open the throttle on even a slight upgrade. Doesn't slip yet during level acceleration, so I'm reluctant to take it to the shop. Questiions: Is there anthing else that will cause clutch slip except worn discs. Has anyone has their discs replaced? If so, what was the bill? Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Karl Siebrecht Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Air filter $30! Mine was $50+, $54 I think. On Tue, 21 May 1996, Karl Siebrecht wrote: > Hello all, > > It is time again for a tune-up, and I was once again reminded I had to spend > $30+ for the air filter. Does anyone know of a cheaper filter or better yet, > a filter with a cleanable element? > > Thanks to all that responded to my question on outfitting a police/escort > bike. Got some good ideas! > > Karl > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:51:55 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system I use a Nady system that I put on the bike several years ago. It has multiplex intercom, FM radio, and an FM (49 MHz I think) two way all in one. I used to ride with another guy that had the same system, and it worked great. It only had about a 1/8 mile range on the 2 way, but as I recall it ran about $70 per set. Each set included the main unit, and headsets for driver and passenger. I know that Dennis Kirk carries Nady, but I have not seen the unit I have in their catalog. I got mine from JC Whitney, but again have not seen it in their catalog for a while. Hope that helps! Karl >I'am looking for a transmitting an receiving system to communicate >between 2 or more motorcycles. Who has experience with these products? >In Europe, the only really good working system is the equipment of the >German brand Baehr. Only the price isn't nice: $ 560 each bike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Roger Prince Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Bob Rufener Subject: RE: kudos No, you're not, Roger. You're simply the first to mention it. On Tue, 21 May 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > Am I the only one receiving posts on this list that appear to have the > beginning chopped off? Like the one below. > > ################################################################ > *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 > *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 > *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman > *FRANKLIN, MA > ################################################################ > > > > ---------- > From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 1996 2:15 AM > To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > Subject: kudos > > never use) and a Honda/Kenwood radio manual (which I didn't receive when I > bought my '89 this spring). > > I received quick responses and bought a shop manual from Wes St. Onge out > in New York. I sent Wes the agreed price of $25.00 (which is a very fair > price) and received the manual, in excellent shape, a few days later. > > Mike Bavister, out in California, made a photo copy of his radio manual > and sent it to me without any cost involved. I received it in the mail a few > days ago. Mike had even taken the time to cut the pages to size and assemble > it in a book form. > > My sincere appreciation to both of these guys. It is another example of > what makes this list work so well. > > Bob > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Barbara Brick Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pc stator failure Barbara, the $200 labor charge would equal about four hours of labor here in San Diego. I don't know exactly what is involved to remove and rebuild a stator, but four hours *seems* reasonable to me. However, the svc mgr's statement that "a year is a long time for a battery" is a crock. My '90 has the original battery, 60,000 miles, and is doing just fine. Also, in my 30 years of riding on various bikes, I've always gotten at *least* two years out of a battery. I wouldn't trust that manager, if he'll make an untrue, self-serving statement about a battery, he'll do it in other areas also. On Tue, 21 May 1996, Barbara Brick wrote: > My stator went while idling at a light . my 89' had 28,000 mi. > > I have been told that putting additional loads, [electric grips and > 90 watt headlamp bulb], will contribute to a slightly shorter life for the > stator. > > I was not sure what happened as the bike just stopped and would not restart. > I pushed the bike to a service station and barrowed ,[in a run-down section in > queens no less], their voltage tester and sampled the battery. Barely alive! > Lifeless as the red-faced winoes sprawled on the sidewalk near by. I payed > the nice mechanic for a quick charge of my battery , no need to remove battery > ,[be careful not to ground the frame]. > > I charged for a half hour while phoning my local shop and took out > the fuse for the headlight , thus lowering the electrical load. It would > take about a half hour to ride to the shop, they said I would probobly make it > before the battery died and I did. > > I was pissed when I got the bill. I needed a new battery and stator. I > bitched about how six moonths ago they sold me a new battery and tested the > stator ,amongst other things , at insallation. The service manager once told > me," a year is long time for a battery" . I was compelled to loose all self > composure. " > This was no ordinary battery ," I insisted , "this was a YU-MICRON -2 with > SULFATE-STOP! " > > Well I have heard that it was possible to increase the output of a > stator by rewinding it to higher specs. I was later informed by the guys who > rebuilt mine ,for 150 dollars, that this was not possible with my particular > stator. NOTE: the rebuild was the same cost as buying a new one but that the > new ones were not guarateed for six months as mine would be. > > the shop labor charge was over $200.00 to remove/replace stator and change > battery. > > > ANY REACTIONS? > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Packer Collegiate Institute > Brooklyn, NY > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 May 96 01:04:30 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Richard A. Hardy" , "PC800" Subject: RE: Clutch slip Richard, my symptoms exactly. What kind of oil do you use? I'm not sure if it makes a difference but I'm curious. It may be coincidence but I first noticed it at 38k after 5k of using Honda HP4, having previously used Golden Spectro 10w40. It did it infrequently until about 70k then did it more frequently. I had the clutch plates and springs replaced at 73k. The springs were still within spec and the plates were within spec also. Cost: Steel plates/42.48; (5)fiber/54.15; (2)fiber/21.66;springs/11.15; cover gasket/12.00 = 141.44+59.95 labor. About $200. Mechanic said springs were probably the primary cause. It went many miles before it got worse but I always worried it would happen at a very inopportune time but it never did. It finally got to where I could make it happen at will. I elected to do everything since I planned on keeping the PC a while longer. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Richard A. Hardy Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 1996 11:37 AM To: PC800 Subject: Clutch slip Hi, guys and gals. My clutch is starting to slip on my '90 PC, and I wondered if anyone else has had the problem. It doesn't slip with "ordinary" use, but it does when a heavy demand is placed on it, e.g., rounding a hairpin turn and dropping the gearing down for an upgrade as you come out of the turn. Occasionally it will also slip while in 4th or 5th if I open the throttle on even a slight upgrade. Doesn't slip yet during level acceleration, so I'm reluctant to take it to the shop. Questiions: Is there anthing else that will cause clutch slip except worn discs. Has anyone has their discs replaced? If so, what was the bill? Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:45:38 -0500 (CDT) To: "Richard A. Hardy" From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: RE: kudos Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was the original sender of the chopped message. Apparently, we shouldn't indent the first word of the message or the server chops off the first few lines of the message. I use Eudora as the e-mail program. I don't know if this creates any problems or not. I am sending this message out more as a test than anything else. Bob No, you're not, Roger. You're simply the first to mention it. > > >On Tue, 21 May 1996, Roger Prince wrote: > >> Am I the only one receiving posts on this list that appear to have the >> beginning chopped off? Like the one below. >> >> ################################################################ >> *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 >> *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 >> *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman >> *FRANKLIN, MA >> ################################################################ >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 1996 2:15 AM >> To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >> Subject: kudos >> >> never use) and a Honda/Kenwood radio manual (which I didn't receive when I >> bought my '89 this spring). >> >> I received quick responses and bought a shop manual from Wes St. Onge out >> in New York. I sent Wes the agreed price of $25.00 (which is a very fair >> price) and received the manual, in excellent shape, a few days later. >> >> Mike Bavister, out in California, made a photo copy of his radio manual >> and sent it to me without any cost involved. I received it in the mail a few >> days ago. Mike had even taken the time to cut the pages to size and assemble >> it in a book form. >> >> My sincere appreciation to both of these guys. It is another example of >> what makes this list work so well. >> >> Bob >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> >> -- >> Visit the PC800 web page at >> To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >> message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >> To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >> > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Jeff Horn'" Subject: RE: PC800/HRCA Manassas chapter Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:10:09 -0700 I bought my '89 used just over 2 years ago and it basically became my car. First year miles: 14k. 2nd year miles: 11k I bought a new truck a few months ago so lost a little riding time \"/ BTW: Very nice Web page for your HRCA club. I'm the secretary for a new club here in the Seattle area and I may borrow and idea or two for newletter content. Web page is probably not that far away. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Radar detectors Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:53:31 -0700 See http://www.escortstore.com/ for information about Escort brand Radar Detectors. I did a search of Radar Detetors with Excite (www.excite.com) and found several comparison reports as well as places to order them from. -bryceu >---------- >From: looman@eldevs.nl[SMTP:looman@eldevs.nl] >Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 1996 1:00 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Radar detectors > >Hi all, > >Sometimes in messages on the list radar detectors show up. >I'm very interested in buying one of those things as I >recently got two speeding tickets :( driving my car. >Radar detectors are not illegal in Holland, but _very_ >expensive. >I found out police over here uses 13, 24 and 34 GHz radar >signals. Does anyone have experience using radar detectors >and what brand/model do you use/advice? > >Thanx, Hans. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 May 96 23:39:11 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system In response to Roel Schuhmacher' inquiry I suggest you check out th Maxon systems. they are inexpensive and work reasonably for the distances riders need. Motorcycle Consumer News loved em too. Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:34:42 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Forked Again Hello all. Ugly smears down both of my caliper covers tell me that it is time for a visit from the Fork Seal Fairy. I'm trying to decide how much prep work I should do before engaging the local shop -- one possibility is "none" since they have very reasonable rates -- that is, if it would take me three hours to do a job, I see a bill from them for, say, two and a half (and their chargeout rates are way lower than mine :-) so I don't feel like I'm getting ripped off at all, and they do really beautiful work too. How many hours work is this? Do the forks have to come out? If you have any inspirational words about fork work, they would be appreciated. ObStats: '89 (with original stator :-) 34,000km ~= 21,000mi. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 May 96 11:27:18 EDT From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List , Daniel MacKay Subject: Re: Forked Again Dan, Had the same thing happen to me on my last ride of the season last fall. Do yourself a favor. When you have the shop install the seals, have them put in the springs from Progressive Suspension. My shop got the best price from the supplier Tucker-Rockey. I paid between $50 and $60. Juan and I went riding last night and he rode mine for the first time since the modifications. He'll be posting his impressions (work load at his office permiting) today. Believe me, there is a vast difference between his (stock) and mine (modified). I think my shop charged me for three hours for the job. It was either three for the forks and two for the jetting or the other way around. I haven't got the receipt here. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" "89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 May 96 10:41:22 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Forked agaim Daniel MacKay wrote: Ugly smears down both of my caliper covers tell me that it is time for a visit from the Fork Seal Fairy. I'm trying to decide how much prep work I should do before engaging the local shop -- one possibility is "none" since they have very reasonable rates -- that is, if it would take me three hours to do a job, I see a bill from them for, say, two and a half (and their chargeout rates are way lower than mine :-) so I don't feel like I'm getting ripped off at all, and they do really beautiful work too. How many hours work is this? Do the forks have to come out? If you have any inspirational words about fork work, they would be appreciated. Daniel . . . . I am just in the process now! Only my left one died. I have 38,000 miles on them. After much research, I decided to replace the springs with Works Performance ones. I remove the wheel all the time to do the front tire and occasionally, the brakes. That far is easy. The shop manual says "remove the fork legs" . . . . well, its never quite *that* easy. Total time from looking at the thing together to fully removed . . . . . about 1.5 hours maybe. Replacement would take about 0.75 hours, I am guessing. (1) those hex pinch bolts are really tight (thread sealant?) but can be removed. I wrap the key in a shop rag or paper towel to tighten up the tolerance and not round off the things. the top one is really tough, the bottom ones are fine. I bought a socket from Sears for $5.49. Retorquing should be interesting though. (2) the manual lists a tool for the fork seal replacement. Hmmm . . . . I usually use a large socket. (3) the bolt on the top of the fork is a 17 millimeter hex (ugh). If you do it yourself, better buy one of them too! Anyway, I took em to the dealer after I removed em (hey, if it happened in December, I would have done em myself but, who wants to work on a bike in the spring?). He charged one hour labor @ $55.00 that part was fine. The springs were $72.00, also fine. Same thng I would have paid to order them myself. I think the parts were the killer. Seals for $43.00 for both sides??? Two bottles of Bel Ray fork juice 15 wt HDI (methinks one bottle should have been enough, but, I will give them that) and . . . . . brake parts cleaner! Come on guys! Anyway, its done. If they last another 35,000 . . . . great! I hate to buy special tools. Got all sorts of em left around from other mounts, you know? Anyway, I never had changed the fluid on the bike forks (gee, I don't do *anything* except oil changes, it seems) so, I am not complaining too much. I was hoping the new ML2 would have arrived but, it is on back order (so much for jit). I guess the old one will be going back on for a couple of weeks. It might have 750 miles left on it. I am sure not going to miss out on riding *this* weekend! I will let you know about the new forks after I try it out! Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Forked agaim Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:37:53 -0700 If I recall mine fork seal job was 2hrs labor at $110, $35 seals, $5 oil. Once the govt got their cut it totaled to $165. BTW: I installed Progressive Springs as well at the time. Parts mail ordered seperatly for $110. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Parrothead[SMTP:71161.3313@CompuServe.COM] >Sent: Thursday, May 23, 1996 7:41 AM >To: PC800 Mailing List >Subject: Forked agaim > >Daniel MacKay wrote: > >Ugly smears down both of my caliper covers tell me that it is time for >a >visit from the Fork Seal Fairy. > >I'm trying to decide how much prep work I should do before engaging the >local shop -- one possibility is "none" since they have very reasonable >rates -- that is, if it would take me three hours to do a job, I see a >bill >from them for, say, two and a half (and their chargeout rates are way >lower >than mine :-) so I don't feel like I'm getting ripped off at all, and >they >do really beautiful work too. > >How many hours work is this? Do the forks have to come out? If you >have >any inspirational words about fork work, they would be appreciated. > > >Daniel . . . . > >I am just in the process now! Only my left one died. > >I have 38,000 miles on them. After much research, I decided to replace >the >springs with Works Performance ones. I remove the wheel all the time to >do the >front tire and occasionally, the brakes. That far is easy. The shop >manual says >"remove the fork legs" . . . . well, its never quite *that* easy. >Total time >from looking at the thing together to fully removed . . . . . about >1.5 hours >maybe. Replacement would take about 0.75 hours, I am guessing. > >(1) those hex pinch bolts are really tight (thread sealant?) but can be >removed. >I wrap the key in a shop rag or paper towel to tighten up the tolerance >and not >round off the things. the top one is really tough, the bottom ones are >fine. I >bought a socket from Sears for $5.49. Retorquing should be interesting >though. > >(2) the manual lists a tool for the fork seal replacement. Hmmm . . . . >I >usually use a large socket. > >(3) the bolt on the top of the fork is a 17 millimeter hex (ugh). If >you do it >yourself, better buy one of them too! > >Anyway, I took em to the dealer after I removed em (hey, if it happened >in >December, I would have done em myself but, who wants to work on a bike >in the >spring?). He charged one hour labor @ $55.00 that part was fine. The >springs >were $72.00, also fine. Same thng I would have paid to order them >myself. > >I think the parts were the killer. Seals for $43.00 for both sides??? >Two >bottles of Bel Ray fork juice 15 wt HDI (methinks one bottle should >have been >enough, but, I will give them that) and . . . . . brake parts cleaner! >Come on >guys! Anyway, its done. > >If they last another 35,000 . . . . great! I hate to buy special tools. >Got all >sorts of em left around from other mounts, you know? Anyway, I never >had changed >the fluid on the bike forks (gee, I don't do *anything* except oil >changes, it >seems) so, I am not complaining too much. > >I was hoping the new ML2 would have arrived but, it is on back order >(so much >for jit). I guess the old one will be going back on for a couple of >weeks. It >might have 750 miles left on it. I am sure not going to miss out on >riding >*this* weekend! > >I will let you know about the new forks after I try it out! > >Dennis > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:50:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Altitude Just moved from 7200 feet to sea level. WOW!!! I had no idea of the power the PC has. HUGE difference. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:48:59 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Spark Plug Noise I took the advice of someone on the list and got a Sony digital Walkman. Works great. The problem is that at high RPMs I still get feedback. Can anyone give me the exact sparkplugs I need to eliminate the noise? I remember hearing that if I get some type of resistor plug I can reduce the noise. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:45:51 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Summer Riding Well, I fanaly got here, NYC. Just in time for the very hot weather. I can't tell you how great the Motoport GP-2 jacket is. With the vents open and the front zipped pulled down a little I am more than comfortable. Makes it easy to wear what I know I should. If the Ultra is anything like mine it is the one to get if you have an Aero suit. Without weathersealing the wind passes right through. Chris 95 PC800 2200 miles (I have been busy) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:46:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cut screen I was given a cut down screen but a guy on the list. He suggested that I use it and if it was too short to pass it along. Well the screen is perfect for determining what height works. So this weekend I am going to try and cut down my original stock screen. Now. I don't know how I am going to deceid who to pass it to but I will send the screen to whoever is interested. If you are the one that gets it, use it, and pass it on if you find that it is good for getting an idea of how you want to cut yours. Send your address to me and I will send it along. Give me a week to get my new screen cut and installed. I plan to do it this weekend but that whole procrastination thing seems to get the better of me quite often Chris P.S. I just paid $15.50 for a filter. God bless NYC!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:19:06 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system At 01:13 PM 5/22/96 -0700, you wrote: >I'am looking for a transmitting an receiving system to communicate >between 2 or more motorcycles. Who has experience with these products? >In Europe, the only really good working system is the equipment of the >German brand Baehr. Only the price isn't nice: $ 560 each bike. Roel, If you can find the units called ChatterBoxes, give them a try. They have served me, my wife and Cory very well for 4 years now. There has been a question about their durability, but I am sure those problems have been solved with the current generation of communicators. Price, between $100 - $160 US per unit. (you need at least two). Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:13:59 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Air filter At 09:01 PM 5/21/96 EDT, you wrote: >I blow mine out from the inside with compressed air. *Maybe* I will treat the >bike to a new one at 50,000. I have 38, 000 give or take so far. I tried doing that the first time @ 8K and found out that the filter was wet with a fluid of oily quality, so instead I first spryed it down with WD40 to loosen the grime, then hit it with a good high pressure brake parts cleaner (degreaser), then high pressure air.. Worked fine. I pulled the filter out again at 11.2K and the filter was damp again, so this time I tried using an engine degreaser, let it sit for 10 minutes, then hosed it down with high pressure water. Let it dry in the sun and gave it an air hose blast for good measure. Seems to work ok so far. I will be getting a new one from Honda of Milpitas soon, don't want to take the risk of taking the old filter with me on our trip to STAR '96. YMMV. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:09:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Battery life and slipping clutches Hi all: 1 yr for a battery is definitely not normal, provided that the battery is kept fully charged. Like many others have reported, both my '89 and the wife's '90 are still on their original batteries and going strong. If the bike sits a lot (like my wife's PC), then it needs to be on a Battery Tender (I have several active motorcycles, and each has one of these little gems hooked up whenever they are in the garage). Otherwise, if the battery is permitted to go long periods (more than a week or so) without being charged, it will deteriorate rapidly, and it will put an extra burden on the charging system. This, in turn, might be contributing to the charging-system failures that seem to be happening with some of the '89s (so far mine is not among them, and I hope it stays that way).. With regard to slipping clutches, two things could be contributing to this other than worn plates or weak springs. One is the use of some oil additive that results in extremely low friction (I've doubt that using synthetic oil alone would do this, but . . .?), and the other is a problem with the clutch hydraulic system such that the pressure isn't releasing properly (bad check valve, crud in the master cylinder, etc). Anyway, it's probably worth checking out before getting into the clutch itself. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 96 09:11:30 EDT From: aws@pez.att.com (Allen W. Stichter) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: aws@pez.att.com Name: Allen Stichter Location: Flemington, NJ Email: stichter@lucent.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1995 Bought Used/New: Used @ 4487 Miles 4/5/96 Modifications made to bike: 4500 miles added to odometer as of 5/24/96 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H." To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:30:30 GMT+1 Subject: Re: Clutch slip On 22 May 96 at 8:37, Richard A. Hardy wrote: > My clutch is starting to slip on my '90 PC, and > I wondered if anyone else has had the problem. It doesn't slip with > "ordinary" use, but it does when a heavy demand is placed on it, > e.g., rounding a hairpin turn and dropping the gearing down for an > upgrade as you come out of the turn. I have a similar problem but only at high RPM. When I drive at about 70 mph I have some clutch slip going from 4th to 5th gear. At lower speeds and RPM I have no problems at all. Should I replace the clutch or try new oil.... ???? Thanks for helping :-) Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 May 96 10:27:13 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Gasoline odor I also have noticed the peculiar odor of gasoline coming from the region of my dummy gas tank cover. Upon closer inspection, I find that the smell gets stronger when I remove the gas cap. So...I haven't removed mine since I made this discovery October 13, 1993. To make certain that this obnoxious odor does not return, I had the cap welded to the filler neck. Anybody seen a red soap dish flying around? anaD reywaS ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 08:45:02 -0600 From: Cameron Francis To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: pc800: Bought a used 95 last week. Thanks All for your comments on "Cruiser versus Sport Touring" I purchased a nearly new '95 PC800 last week. Paid $5,900 with tax and licencing it came to around $6,500. So far I really love the bike. I haven't ridden for a few years and I had forgotten how much fun riding can be. Cameron (cameron@innovusmm.com) SLC, UT PC Model year (if you have one): 1995 Bought Used/New: Used @ 3000 Miles 5/17/96 Modifications made to bike: Just ordered Honda line Backrest. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 May 96 12:47:53 EDT From: Parrothead <71161.3313@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Gasoline odor Dana Sawyer said . . . . . I also have noticed the peculiar odor of gasoline coming from the region of my dummy gas tank cover. Upon closer inspection, I find that the smell gets stronger when I remove the gas cap. So...I haven't removed mine since I made this discovery October 13, 1993. To make certain that this obnoxious odor does not return, I had the cap welded to the filler neck. Anybody seen a red soap dish flying around? Huh? I guess Dana, you must get pretty good gas mileage if you could do that! Am I mis understanding something here? I think it is from that vicinity too and haven't had a chance to check the archives yet for an answer. Could you clarify that one? Dennis ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:59:38 -0400 From: Michael Galassi Subject: we made it ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: nerd@clam.com Subject: we made it Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:59:38 -0400 From: Michael Galassi Hi all, We make it all the way cross-country with no problems at all. Everything went well and we had a great time. Currently Gaye does not have any internet access, though I can deliver messages to her if you send them to my address. I'm busy enough between the new work, unpacking, catching up with email and all that I'll be virtualy non-existant but I will be back. Sorry this is brief, uninformative, and impersonal, we wanted you all to know we survived and will hopefully be in touch soon. A detailed trip report will follow as soon as we get PCs set up at home and all that. - -michael - -- Michael Galassi nerd@clam.com ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:34:38 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Congrats to... Cameron on his new bike. Hope it provides many safe and enjoyable miles. Also wanted to mention that my wife and I are taking the MSF training course. She completed it two years ago and it looked so interesting I decided to take the Experienced Riders Course. The trainers discouraged me from taking it until I had completed the basic course. This past Wednesday we attended the 4 hr classroom portion and tomorrow we do the 8-6 riding thing. Next Weds another 4 hrs indoors and next Saturday another full day outside. The teachers seem very thorough and committed. They obviously are quite serious about helping us not become a hood ornament. It's actually supposed to be nice here tomorrow...we had to wait until the 3rd week in May for some decent weather. Just incredible. Take care, Alsn '89 PC800 '84 Magna '94 Virago 535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 96 13:11:37 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Horn Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system Roel, I have a older Chatterbox setup. Two of my buds and I all bought them at the same time. They broadcast over FM band. There range was about 1/4 mile. They did not work very well at highway speeds( too much wind noise ). Mine also had a problem when you got near a large power line or near housing complexs because of baby monitors. The baby monitors were on or close to the same frequency. The power lines would create a bad static noise, I would turn down the volume until I was away from the interference. Another nice thing was that you could talk to you passenger and another bike at the same time. They ran about $150.00 US. The new Chatterbox's have rechargeable batteries built in to them. Mine has an external battery pack( rather awkward ). The new ones also have a switch on them that allows you to switch between two frequencies, in case one frequency is bad in the area you are riding in. I hope that wasn't overkill on info. Jeff Horn jeffh@fcbs.com PC800(95) At 01:13 PM 5/22/96 -0700, you wrote: >I'am looking for a transmitting an receiving system to communicate >between 2 or more motorcycles. Who has experience with these products? >In Europe, the only really good working system is the equipment of the >German brand Baehr. Only the price isn't nice: $ 560 each bike. > >+----------------------------------------------+ >| Roel Schuhmacher; Maarheeze, The Netherlands | >| e-mail: schuhmac@iaehv.nl | >+----------------------------------------------+ > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:42:56 -0500 (CDT) To: Jeff Horn From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 01:11 PM 5/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >Roel, > >I have a older Chatterbox setup. Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that you also talk through?? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 13:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael A Jones Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: Jeff Horn , pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Fri, 24 May 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that > you also talk through?? > Waldo I have used the Radio Shack radio with the ear plug mic. My wife is a speech pathologist and has used the radio quite successfully as an inexpensive aid for children who need a boost in hearing their teachers. We tried using them for bike-to-bike communication but found it a very frustrating experience. First of all, they are only monoplex - so only one person can talk at a time - unlike a telephone. The problem we kept having is that the noise of the bike (or maybe it was the wind) caused the unit to think someone was talking - and wouldn't shut off to let the other person talk. I am sure the location of the mic on the ear is the real problem. In short, I wouldn't recommend the radio in spite of the cheap price - unless you have trouble hearing your teacher. Mike ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Line eater dead? Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:44:27 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III This oddly indented message should be passed without being eaten, since I just updated the mailing list software. (Check the Let's hope so. If this gets through, Jo Ruby and others who have been unable to post because their somewhat weird mailers insist on putting a tab in front of every line (and the list software insisted on eating the whole thing) should be able to post messages now. Note that AOL probably still has the bug where their software eats the first line. Therefore they might still lose pieces of their messages, but there's nothing I can do about that. Here goes nothing, - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 11:35:17 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system At 01:42 PM 5/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that >you also talk through?? >Waldo I have friend who tried one riding back to Alaska from the east coast. After 2 days of use he claims his ear hurt so bad he grabbed the whole thing and pitched it into a corn field =:-I Obviously looking like a member of the secret service was not a priority with him :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'Jeff Horn'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Transmitting and receiving system Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:48:40 -0700 I once described what I wanted to do to a Radio Shack store manager -- communicate bike to bike, 1/8 to 1/4 mile distance, wearing a helmet etc -- who suggested I look for something besides the RS model. That's when I chose the Chatterbox. When I started having problems with the original model of Chatterbox, I took it back to the Honda dealer where I bought it (no receipt of course). They boxed it up, sent it back to HJC for me. They got me a Chatterbox II for the difference in price. With service like that, I cannot imagine not shopping there for everything. Honda Suzuki North in Dallas, if anybody's interested. Mat We are born naked wet and hungry, then things get worse. >---------- >From: Waldo E. Meeks[SMTP:wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu] >Sent: Friday, May 24, 1996 1:42 PM >To: Jeff Horn >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system > >At 01:11 PM 5/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Roel, >> >>I have a older Chatterbox setup. > > >Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug >that >you also talk through?? >Waldo > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Line eater dead? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 24 May 1996 17:48:29 -0500 Lines: 3 I guess not.... Back to the drawing board. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:20:15 -0700 To: "Waldo E. Meeks" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: karl@nvti.cudenver.edu (Karl Siebrecht) Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system Waldo, I tried the Radio Shack ear plug set-up before I bought my Nady, and it did not work well at all. On the VOX setting, the wind/motor noise was high enough to set it off even in the lowest sensitivity setting. If you went with the push button, your voice (transmitted through your skull) was tough to hear at full volume. I returned my set, and the Radio Shack manager said he has had several people try them for motorcycle application, and has never heard kind words about their use in this envornment. >At 01:11 PM 5/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Roel, >> >>I have a older Chatterbox setup. > > >Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that >you also talk through?? >Waldo > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 19:25:40 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system At 01:42 PM 5/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that >you also talk through?? >Waldo I tried to use the "ear mike" with the Maxon 27MCB. It picked up too much noise from the bikes electrical system, AND it HURT MY EAR !!!!. I finally broke down (for the GoldWing) and bought the CycleComm Push to talk adapter for the MAXON and a nice expensive headset and boom mic. Fellow riders say it works great. I know I can hear just fine. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 19:25:42 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Bike Gone !!!!!! A few weeks ago I sold my PC through this forum. Today I really said goodbye to it. The purchaser and four of his friends stopped by my shop on their way to Florida, California, and Alaska. The PC was hauling two and had what looked like a LOT of luggage strapped behind the passenger sitting on the little turtle tail. The two other bikes were a Nighthawk and a Concours. By the way they had purchased Chatterboxes for the trip and were very pleased so far! I hope they post some trip reports. We took a nice photo (on his new digital camera) and hopefully he will upload it here. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 21:34:11 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: saeng report well..not too sure I'm thrilled with the Saeng edgeing. I finnally got it on ok, thanks to the rubber hammer tip. I definetly feel the difference in drag at higher speeds (abover 70), and the increase in back pressure on my back and head has increased significantly. Also, the rain no longer streams off my windsheild (or facesheild for that matter). On the other hand, the engine sounds cooooool, my hands are warmer, and there's a massive decrease in wind noise in the helmet... any comments? -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 04:36:08 -0400 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, jeffh@fcbs.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Transmitting and receiving system In a message dated 96-05-24 15:21:57 EDT, wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu (Waldo E. Meeks) writes: >Has anyone tried the maxon or radio shack transmitter with the ear plug that >you also talk through?? My wife and I have the Maxxon units. They work, but ambient noise on a sport bike makes the VOX feature less than satisfactory. We use PTT, though with the new Rifle screen the PC is so quiet that it might work properly on VOX. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 04:36:07 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clutch slip In a message dated 96-05-22 11:50:50 EDT, c601rah@sssd.navy.mil (Richard A. Hardy) writes: > Is there anthing else that will cause clutch slip except >worn discs. Has anyone has their discs replaced? The most likely possibility is worn discs. Weak springs can also do it, but since they lead to worn discs rather rapidly, you probably will find them worn. BTW, I wouldn't wait. These things are not like savings bonds which mature with age. They are more like a cancer. Fix it early before things get serious. It's interesting that you are experiencing clutch problems. My wife has a '95 which I rode extensively last Sunday. I was surprised to find that the clutch would slip a bit on pretty decent high RPM shifts. Sort of made me think that the clutch is a weak point. Good luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 May 96 12:14:41 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: TedJ101@aol.com Cc: "pc800" Subject: RE: Clutch slip The clutch is a "sprag type" clutch which will intentionally slip if if too great a loaa is place on the clutch, such as a poor downshift. It's possible this is kicking in. I first noticed my clutch doing that 40k but didn't replace the clutch for another 35k because it happened so infrequently. YMMV. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of TedJ101@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 1996 4:36 AM To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Clutch slip In a message dated 96-05-22 11:50:50 EDT, c601rah@sssd.navy.mil (Richard A. Hardy) writes: > Is there anthing else that will cause clutch slip except >worn discs. Has anyone has their discs replaced? The most likely possibility is worn discs. Weak springs can also do it, but since they lead to worn discs rather rapidly, you probably will find them worn. BTW, I wouldn't wait. These things are not like savings bonds which mature with age. They are more like a cancer. Fix it early before things get serious. It's interesting that you are experiencing clutch problems. My wife has a '95 which I rode extensively last Sunday. I was surprised to find that the clutch would slip a bit on pretty decent high RPM shifts. Sort of made me think that the clutch is a weak point. Good luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 17:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: "Alan D. Smith" cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Congrats to... Alan, I took the Experienced Rider course about 5 years ago and the trainers we correct to discourage you from taking it until you took the basic course. There are alot of concepts in the basic course that are re-stressed and built upon in the advanced course. I took the basic course after riding for almost 20 years and it really helped my riding and the advanced course helped even more. I also qualified as an instructor a year later. I've not had a chance to teach yet because the state scaled back our program but I do encourage everyone I talk to to take the courses. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College On Fri, 24 May 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > Cameron on his new bike. Hope it provides many safe and > enjoyable miles. > > Also wanted to mention that my wife and I are taking the MSF > training course. She completed it two years ago and it > looked so interesting I decided to take the Experienced > Riders Course. The trainers discouraged me from taking it > until I had completed the basic course. > > This past Wednesday we attended the 4 hr classroom portion and > tomorrow we do the 8-6 riding thing. Next Weds another 4 hrs > indoors and next Saturday another full day outside. > > The teachers seem very thorough and committed. They obviously > are quite serious about helping us not become a hood ornament. > > It's actually supposed to be nice here tomorrow...we had to wait > until the 3rd week in May for some decent weather. Just > incredible. > > Take care, > > Alsn > '89 PC800 > '84 Magna > '94 Virago 535 (The Better Half's) > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: list hsta , PC800 Subject: J.C. Whitney catalogs A while back, there was a discussion re: the Whitney catalogs and I mentioned that I had two cards from Whitney to send in for a friend to get the catalog(s), and I would do so for the first two that took me up on it. More than two wrote back, so I sent the cards in for the first two. Well, I got a new catalog today, and it has two more cards in it. Anyone interested? Catalogs are: General Big Catalog, Motorcycle, Volkswagen, Automotive tools, RV, Pickup, Jeep, and Sport Utility. You can have up to three. It also asks for your type of credit card, but I doubt if that is mandatory. And, of course, your name and address. First two responders gets them. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 07:19:40 -0400 To: wingS@armchair.mb.ca From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Whiteface Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, jstonge@peganet.com By late Friday evening, I thought the semi-planned ride with the riders of the Adirondack Touring Club was not going to happen. Luckily for me, David Secor read his E-Mail, and phoned me to give me the info on the gathering point. I left my house at about 6:15 am and headed north via NYS Rte 28 where I met up with David and eight other bikes and riders from the Utica area at Barneveld, NY. We headed up through Old Forge and Long Lake, to Tupper Lake, to Lake Placid where we rode up Whiteface Mountain and spent a nice hour or so at the summit. It was a beautiful day, quite cool, but sunny and clear. At the summit, the temperature was supposed to be 40 (without windchill), and the visibility was over 70 miles. After the scenery it was time to eat, and we headed back into Lake Placid where we had a nice meal at the Bear's Den. At this point it was becoming apparent that we were not going to be anywhere near our starting point at the estimated 6:00 pm (since it was already 5:30 !). We decided to head back following Rte 30 through Indian Lake to Speculator and then 8 back to the Utica area. When we reach Speculator, I decided that I would be better off staying right on Rte 30 until I reached Interstate 88 in the Cobleskill area. I said goodbye and thanks to the ATC members and ss..pp..ll..ii..tt. There was little traffic headed south ( OR north for that matter), and what traffic there was moved right along at 60 to 65! As soon as the sun went down, the temperature really started to drop. I was very glad for my electric vest which I kept turning UP. I finally arrived home at about 10:15 pm. My shoulders were pretty sore, probably from scrunching to keep warm although the long day in the saddle MIGHT have had something to do with it. Door to door my mileage was 466. TWO MORE DAYS LEFT THIS WEEKEND !!!!! --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 26 May 96 09:51:07 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: Re: saeng report Dave, After my return from our trip to California to the Netherlands, I installed the edging, too. Unfortunately I think I have the same opinion about it as you have. I especially don't like the increase in back pressure on the upper part of my back. Living in a sometimes very wet country, especially when leaving the office at around six, I noticed that the rain seems to stick onto the windshield. What kind of windshield do you have. Mine is a Hondaline tall shield, my height is 6 ft 2. and I am siiting on a Corbin saddle. The decrease in wind noise only seems to happen at lower speeds, up to 55-60 mph. I'm considering to put on the original windshield with the edging and maybe then I will be satisfied.... Next project will be cutting the shaft of Mr Bob's Wrist Rest (cruise control) in order to be able to install it. Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 14:06:12 -0400 To: 101362.2633@compuserve.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: saeng report What about with the standard height screen? I am looking for a way to decrease the wind noise? It is so loud on the highway that I can not hear my BassMonster speakers. I usually cruise at 80-85, but now that I am in NY I am at 65-70. The wind noise in tremendous. I took of my Rifle 4+ for the summer but with the noise being so loud might just put it back on. I have a Noj helmet wind sock and I will try that next. However, it is a pain to take the helmet of and on. Any solutions? I am 5'11" Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Barre Bull To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rider Rally I'm heading out tomorrow (Monday) for the Rider Rally in Martinsburg, W.V. If anyone out there is planning on being there it would be really great to hook up with you. I'm getting married Thursday in a small park in Shepherdstown, which is right next to Martinsburg at 4 o'clock in the afternoon and you are welcome to attend that too. We got a minister who is a member of the Christian Motorcycle Association to perform the ceremony. It should be cool and you can gawk at my friend's new Valkyrie. We'll be staying at the Comfort Suites in Kearneysville, about a 10 minute ride from Martinsburg on route 9. Barre' Barre' Bull Network Systems Engineer Information Systems Prince George's Community College ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ChrisTUBA@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 17:25:55 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 96 PC and new on mailing list... Hi All! Just purchased my own new 96 PC last Tuesday...is slated to arrive this coming Friday. FYI, here's the information that the automated response asks to tell about ourselves: Name: Chris Russell Location: Oconomowoc, WI or Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic Email: ChrisTUBA@aol.com PC Model Year: 1996 Bought Used/New: New Modifications made to bike: Hondaline Passenger Backrest I've owned two bikes and a moped over the past six years, including a Honda 89 Elite 50cc, a 73 Honda 350 4 cylinder, and a 79 Yamaha XS650. Both of the cycles were bought used, and I've ended up putting tons of money in them over the years. Things go one at a time on these old bikes, so you end up investing more and more cash. As a result, I have been looking for good new bikes to consider buying. I like GoldWings a lot, but they are just too big for around-the-town sort of things. Last summer I went riding with a 74 year old guy who's been riding for many years. He was riding a PC, and he said it's the best bike he's ever owned. That means quite a bit. Then, I began checking into the PC, checking the website regularily, and finding that people have SOLD GoldWings to buy PCs. THAT says a lot, too. I love to tour, and a typical ride (unless it's to the store) is at least 150 miles. The PC seems to be the best option for natural touring that I've seen. And...I don't think it looks too funny at all. And I'll tell you...a shaft drive is WAY better than a chain drive any day of the week. Anyway, I thought that I'd introduce myself to you all. If you have any other feedback about the 96 model year (I wish they came in other colors, like dark blue or forest green in the US), I'd appreciate hearing it. I downloaded all of the correspondence for this past month off of the FTP site. At some point, probably when the stock Dunlops wear off, I'll get the Metzler tires. Otherwise, the majority of the discussions have seemed to center around the top speed of the bike and the stator failure on the 89 model year. Thanks again...I look forward to the arrival of my PC and to communicating with you all. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 16:59:57 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: New member Welcome Chris! Having just switched to Metzlers myself, that would be a worthwhile addition. I'm sure you'll find the PC a great "town" bike -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:56:27 -0400 To: ChrisTUBA@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 96 PC and new on mailing list... Welcome to the list. The PC should be a wonderful bike in the Dominican Republic. Please, if you take any trips send us a report. Bernie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 10:51:00 -0400 To: slwcpa@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Northern NJ Riders Hi Steve, Are you on the mailing list member list? Did you look there for anyone on your area? If not, send me a mail with you vitals, and I'll post it for you. http:\\www.win.net\hudsoncnsl\pc800\opening Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 10:51:03 -0400 To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, RogerPrince@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ruf@nconnect.net Subject: Re: Re: kudos In a message dated 96-05-22 01:50:48 EDT, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: > This is orthogonal to a bug in AOL What the hell does "orthogonal" mean? Is this part of your working vocabulary? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 27 May 96 15:26:21 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: HSTA ListServer Subject: Bike for sale... I know you have all seen my spam before.... But we must sell IT! 1995 Kawasaki ZX6E Has about 900 miles on it....I've been riding it cause it's new! we all know how much fun a new bike can be....I couldn't resist!!! was asking $6k......... $5500. or take the payments over of $185.00 month. As I have stated before it belongs to a co-worker who figures I know a bit more about bikes.(I know where to put the gas and oil, and when to buy tires)....And might be able to help get it sold...his old car is biting the dust so he needs a new car...besides after watching him ride I think I would like to see him in a car and not a casket......If you know what I mean....grin. If you would like to call and talk to the owner...Please post me a eamil with your request, or call my work number (cellular) thats in the HSTA Blue Book. any help will be appreciated....heck if your a member of the HSTA I'll consider delivering, provided I can get there and back home in a weekend.... Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio HSTA;HRCA;RedKnights;AMA;FMCA;......... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 27 May 96 16:09:03 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: HSTA ListServer Subject: BOOTS For SALE/TRADE??? Ok here I go again...I am cleeaning out my basemnet..and came across a pair of NEWER SIDI's I bouught that were to tight for me...any takers... SIDI Racing Track Antractite Black Itailan size 45....is about us 11 I paid 150... you tell me what there'yr worth or trade.....i wear size 12 boots...and have a wideer foot. I'll bring em' to STAR96 Fireman Joe Beresford Cincinnati, Ohio HSTA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 16:07:51 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: SF Bay Area PC Riders Calling all San Francisco Bay Area PC800 riders... Lets get together for a day ride... E-Mail me at nurse@hooked.net and let me know your name and where in the bay area you're located. I will send you date, time and place to meet... Lets ride together soon. Bob Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 19:13:53 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Contributors Add to: http://www.ferraris.com/info/WhosWho.html the names of the two people who've written for us. Carb-FI and Miniatures guy I'll be sending you Pollard part 4 soon. Dave _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Have you checked out What's New at Ferraris.com ? http://www.ferraris.com Dave Steven 52 Payn Avenue Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 Monday's weather in the North East: A beautiful but cooler Memorial Day ! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 09:10:54 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: The course...a spam...and congrats Hi, Gang, First of all congrats to Barre' and his upcoming wedding. Of course the really big news is that Chris has joined the group and bought a new PC! (Kidding, Barre', honest.) My wife and I attended the first riding day of the MSF course this past Saturday. As you may remember, she had taken it two years ago and this was my first pass. I am REALLY impressed with how well the course is structured. Although it is geared for those who have never ridden, I (riding 5 years) certainly learned a lot. We have our last 4 hours of classroom tomorrow night and the final riding session Saturday. Please, Lord, let me pass the test. Regarding the spam...I am selling my '84 Magna. It's the 700cc model. It is in very good condition with less than 20K miles. I put a Corbin seat on it and a windshield on it. The bike was dropped once in a parking lot (didn't see the ice when I turned into the parking space) and the only damage I or the dealer could see was sustained by the windshield--and that was restricted to a few scrapes. It's going in the paper today at $1,995.00 as a starting point. Feel free to respond via e-mail or voice at 216-816-7600. Thanks. Alan '89 PC800 '84 Magna '94 XV535 (The Better Half's) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GreyAds@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:15:49 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Trip Hints? Two of us are taking our PCs and wives on a 2 1/2 week camping trip from LA to Sedona to the Rockies to Mt. Rushmore across Montana to Salmon ID up to Waterton Glacier over to the Olympic Penninsula down the coast to LA. Anyone have any suggestions for killer places to camp, unforgettable roads, nice people along the way? We are leaving June 8, thanks! Sam Hershfield and Fred Walti ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us To: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III), pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Line eater dead? Date: 28 May 96 16:14:35 GMT Just got back to work this morning...let's see if this blurb gets through...jo ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Line eater dead? Author: tibbs@hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) at CC2MHS1 Date: 5/24/96 2:44 PM Let's hope so. If this gets through, Jo Ruby and others who have been unable to post because their somewhat weird mailers insist on putting a tab in front of every line (and the list software insisted on eating the whole thing) should be able to post messages now. Note that AOL probably still has the bug where their software eats the first line. Therefore they might still lose pieces of their messages, but there's nothing I can do about that. Here goes nothing, - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 16:16:17 -0300 To: PC800 List From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Forked Again Thanks to all who responded on this. I decided to get the shop to do the work- I'm going on a trip tomorrow (500km tomorrow, back on Friday) and I wanted it done before then. The dealer had ten fork seal kits in stock- they must be used on lots of other bikes. I had both done, even though only one was bad. FYI, here's the bill: $Cdn hours labour 2.75 @ 40.00 110.00 fork seals 2 @ 11.92 41.70 fork oils 2 @ 5.96 11.92 -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GreyAds@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:14:15 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Valve Knocks? Anyone experience what apprears to be a valve knock or click in the PC's front cylinder at idle? It comes and goes even though I'm using 92 octane. Sometimes it shows up at cruising speed. Dealership tried to tell me other PCs have it and it's just HVA noise (Hydraulic Valve Actuator) and nothing to worry about. Said it happens when the oil gets old. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: Adoption Notice... Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 17:43:50 -0700 >I'm happy to report there's another bike in the garage these days. >I've adopted a '95 Honda VFR 750. > >She's bright red, fast, and has a wonderful pur thanks to her Two >Brothers Racing carbon-fiber pipe. > >I intend to keep both bikes indefinately. The Pacific Coast will >remain my primary all weather commuter/tourer/whatever bike. As for >the VFR I think she'll remain strictly for fun. Her name shall be "Miss T" in honor of a long standing joke my lady friend and I have. Something about a Thursday mistress I prefer to spend my time with. >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 "Miss T" >AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:35:01 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , GreyAds@aol.com Subject: Re: PC Trip Hints? When you come to Washington, give us a holler -- lots of neat stuff to see. There's a bunch of us in Seattle. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:58:44 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: from Corbin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Pacific Coast Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 08:47:57 -800 From: "Corbin Pacific Inc." corbin01@corbin.com To: dkgross@halcyon.com Dear Dave, The pacific coast seats will not be ready for production for a few weeks. We found a fitting problem and are waiting for a bike to arrive so that we can fix them. Keep checking with us and we will keep you updated. Sorry for the delay and we appreciate your patience. Thanks! Best Regards from Mike Corbin's Workshop of Wizards corbin01@corbin.com | http://www.corbin.com/corbin.html -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 18:03:27 -0500 (CDT) To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Re: Forked Again Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Daniel, Looks like you got the double fork job on the bill. You listed two seals at $11.92 billed at $41.70. My calculator says you should have been billed for $23.84. One forking on a bike is enuf!! Thanks to all who responded on this. I decided to get the shop to do the >work- I'm going on a trip tomorrow (500km tomorrow, back on Friday) and I >wanted it done before then. > >The dealer had ten fork seal kits in stock- they must be used on lots of >other bikes. I had both done, even though only one was bad. FYI, here's >the bill: > > $Cdn >hours labour 2.75 @ 40.00 110.00 >fork seals 2 @ 11.92 41.70 >fork oils 2 @ 5.96 11.92 > >-- >Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca >Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:25:47 -0400 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, RogerPrince@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ruf@nconnect.net Subject: Re: Re: kudos In a message dated 96-05-27 11:37:47 EDT, GuntherSki@aol.com writes: >What the hell does "orthogonal" mean? Is this part of your working >vocabulary? Gunther, It's a pretty common term among mathematicians and computer scientists. It means perpendicular to and is often used colloquially to mean in a different direction from or on a different track from or has nothing to do with something else. For example, "your ideas are orthogonal to the mainstream" is another way of saying "you are out in left field". I hope this helps... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:23:02 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Valve Knocks? Hi all. Intermittent valve noise is a potential problem with hydraulic tappets. All it takes is a bit of grit or whatever to keep the check valve from seating properly. When the obstruction is flushed out of the way, the valve seats, the tappet pumps up, and the noise goes away. Keeping up with regular oil and filter changes is a good idea for this and a lot of other reasons, but it is possible that the tappet itself has a problem (pitted valve, etc). If that is the case, then the only permanent fix would be to replace it. In any case, the grade of fuel is not relevant to valve noise, and using a higher grade of fuel than the bike needs is simply throwing money away (and it has been mentioned as a possible cause of damage to the fuel-valve diapharam). The PC runs just fine on regular; if yours doesn't, then there is something wrong, perhaps with the ignition timing. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:17:58 -0400 To: TedJ101@aol.com, tibbs@hpc.uh.edu, RogerPrince@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ruf@nconnect.net Subject: Re: Re: kudos WOW, Thanks for the vocab help. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 May 96 10:51:20 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Valve Knocks? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/29/96 10:51 ## Ask Dana about that. His 60k+ PC doesn't smell of fuel and it has never seen anything more expensive than the cheapest gas in town. MTBE may be the diaphragm problem. Of course since he no longer uses any........... Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/29/96 08:23 ## Hi all. Intermittent valve noise is a potential problem with hydraulic tappets. All it takes is a bit of grit or whatever to keep the check valve from seating properly. When the obstruction is flushed out of the way, the valve seats, the tappet pumps up, and the noise goes away. Keeping up with regular oil and filter changes is a good idea for this and a lot of other reasons, but it is possible that the tappet itself has a problem (pitted valve, etc). If that is the case, then the only permanent fix would be to replace it. In any case, the grade of fuel is not relevant to valve noise, and using a higher grade of fuel than the bike needs is simply throwing money away (and it has been mentioned as a possible cause of damage to the fuel-valve diapharam). The PC runs just fine on regular; if yours doesn't, then there is something wrong, perhaps with the ignition timing. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:04:48 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Nice Ride and Octane Just came back from a ride in upstate NY near Port Jervis. It was beautiful. I was using the cut down screen and after I got there I switched to the Honda stock screen. The short screen is great in NYC, but when doing 80 on the highway the wind blast is way too much. And the noise is severe. I was just checking my manual and it said that 86 or higher octane is recommended. I have heard about problems with the fuel valve diaphram that may be caused by using higher octane. I am a firm believer that running on high test when your car does not need it is a waste of money. What do all of you use in the bike? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 May 96 14:56:33 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: Dave Gross Cc: PC800 owners Subject: Re: from Corbin Dave, I think Corbin is doing a good job by postponing production until they have a Pacific Coast in. On installing I even asked my wife to sit on the the passenger seat in order to get the socket bolts in place. It didn't work. Getting back at the dealer, being the Dutch importer ,too, I had great trouble convincing them of a serious fitting problem with the both the main seat and the passenger seat on my 1995 bike. We tried three different sets. The main seat was damaged with two saddles by the inner part of the trunk lid at the rear right side standing with your nose into the direction of the handlebar. By then they were convinced. The third saddle did seem to fit although it is very tight. It is sometimes difficult to get the side covers on and off the bike. So you'd better be patient for a while. Greetings Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 May 96 14:57:12 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Nice Ride and Octane ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 05/29/96 14:57 ## Regular name brand. Mobil seems to work best for me. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 05/29/96 13:04 ## Just came back from a ride in upstate NY near Port Jervis. It was beautiful. I was using the cut down screen and after I got there I switched to the Honda stock screen. The short screen is great in NYC, but when doing 80 on the highway the wind blast is way too much. And the noise is severe. I was just checking my manual and it said that 86 or higher octane is recommended. I have heard about problems with the fuel valve diaphram that may be caused by using higher octane. I am a firm believer that running on high test when your car does not need it is a waste of money. What do all of you use in the bike? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:38:50 -0400 To: GuntherSki@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Them BIG Words Gunther, Don't feel ignorant. I did not have a clue what "orthogonal" meant and I can't recall any recent need to use the word "colloquially" either. I have, however, used the word "perpendicular" twice since graduating from high school in the '70s. Clint (CGreenwlt@aol.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 May 96 20:09:26 EDT From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@CompuServe.COM> To: Barbara Brick Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: pc stator failure OUCH!!! All this talk about stators is scarring me.....grin How do you know when its going bad???? and what the heck is all this talk a bout hidden warrenyties??? (as I am getting ready for another long trip up thru CANADA NS/NB/NF) should I be worried.... Fireman Joe Cincinnati, Ohio HSTA 90 pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:04:55 -0700 (PDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: SF Bay Area PC800 riders... Hi, I'm looking for other SF Bay Area PC800 riders to join me and fellow riders to a one day ride... E-mail me at nurse@hooked.net for info and details...please let me know your name and where in the Bay Area you're located. Bob Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 96 02:03:49 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Willem van Alderwerelt" <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> Cc: "PC800 owners" Subject: RE: from Corbin What's wrong with the stock seat? ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Willem van Alderwerelt Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 1996 2:56 PM To: Dave Gross Cc: PC800 owners Subject: Re: from Corbin Dave, I think Corbin is doing a good job by postponing production until they have a Pacific Coast in. On installing I even asked my wife to sit on the the passenger seat in order to get the socket bolts in place. It didn't work. Getting back at the dealer, being the Dutch importer ,too, I had great trouble convincing them of a serious fitting problem with the both the main seat and the passenger seat on my 1995 bike. We tried three different sets. The main seat was damaged with two saddles by the inner part of the trunk lid at the rear right side standing with your nose into the direction of the handlebar. By then they were convinced. The third saddle did seem to fit although it is very tight. It is sometimes difficult to get the side covers on and off the bike. So you'd better be patient for a while. Greetings Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Nice Ride and Octane REGULAR! On Wed, 29 May 1996 KlassC@aol.com wrote: > Just came back from a ride in upstate NY near Port Jervis. It was beautiful. > I was using the cut down screen and after I got there I switched to the > Honda stock screen. The short screen is great in NYC, but when doing 80 on > the highway the wind blast is way too much. And the noise is severe. > > I was just checking my manual and it said that 86 or higher octane is > recommended. I have heard about problems with the fuel valve diaphram that > may be caused by using higher octane. I am a firm believer that running on > high test when your car does not need it is a waste of money. What do all of > you use in the bike? > > Chris > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC Trip Hints? Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:40:51 -0700 So much to say about WA, the Olympic Peninsula, and the Pacific Coast Hwy (Hwy 101, Hwy 1). It would almost be better to pull out the maps and talk things over the phone than try to jam it all in an email message. These are my favorite trips!!!! Send me your phone number, timezone, and best time(s) to call you. I'll fill you in on what I've found enjoyable throughout the region. If you come through on the weekend a couple of could probably join you. Sure you only have 2 1/2 weeks for the whole thing? \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: GreyAds@aol.com[SMTP:GreyAds@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 1996 9:15 AM >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC Trip Hints? > >Two of us are taking our PCs and wives on a 2 1/2 week camping trip >from LA >to Sedona to the Rockies to Mt. Rushmore across Montana to Salmon ID up >to >Waterton Glacier over to the Olympic Penninsula down the coast to LA. >Anyone >have any suggestions for killer places to camp, unforgettable roads, >nice >people along the way? We are leaving June 8, thanks! > >Sam Hershfield and Fred Walti >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:45:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Back on the list again I am running under my wife's login. I was a member of this newsgroup over a year ago. I have a 89 PC800 that has a built in intercom/stereo. I bought it used for $3500 with about 5K for miles. I have put on the Metzler tires as was recommended from this group. Great grip and control. Marathon m88. Backrest and the large windshield. Stealth edging that looks good but I still don't know if its worth the trouble. I like to be behind the windshield, look through it and the edging does leave a blind spot that I have gotten used to. I kind of use it as a range/distance mark. I look down the road then off to the side till I can't see from the edging. Seems to make me focus on how far away things are. Have over 12k now, use mainly as a daily commuter when the weather is fit. I'll ride in wet weather but not by choice. I have seen a reoccuring backlash toward the the bike/owners lately in Cycle World last two issues. In a leters to the editor, a guy talked about how great the bike was but he had to ride at night to hide the fact that the bike looked like an overgrown scooter. He said he felt like the bike was made for George Jetson, being futuristic. But the editor said George, working for Spacely Sprockets, would never ride a shaft bike. But his wife Jane, would. The recent review of the ST1100 in Cycle world, the guy laments the fact that the st looks too much like a PC800. A gold wing rider flagged me down just to look at my ride, then told me he sees alot of these PC800 at the rallys and getogethers they have. Except he says he only sees women ridding them. Like the real men ride wings and their women ride PC800. Well to hell with them all. I like the bike and I don't care if it is refrigerator white with a fat Dumbo butt. I had a guy one time as me if it was a "real" bike with an engine or just a moped with a fairing. I have owned and ridden bikes for over 25 years, never had a more stable, dependable ride. Smooth from the first time I test drove it. I would like more power, the St1100 is the next logical step up. I am looking for a used ST, will travel for the right bike. I read the first article in CW about the PC800, back in 89. There only complaint was the wobble on pavement at speeds above 85mph and the pegs scrapeing when thrown hard in a turn. I don't ride like that, above 85mph is not something I do on my way to work every day. If I ever lean that far over in a turn I assume I have just Armoralled the seat and am sliding off the damm bike. Consider the price of the bike and the fact that it performs the role of bike that cost above 10K and I think its a bargain. I carry everything in my trunk, even 3 cases of cat food once just to prove I could. Try that on a crotch rocket, and they say this bike don't attract pussy! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 96 06:57:55 EDT From: W.Michael.DiTullio@inetgw.fsc.ibm.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: honda brand xtra large windscreen A guy I work with, without internet access, has a honda brand windshield that came on the used PC he bought. It's the xtra coverage model and since the bike had 350 miles on it when he bought it, it's safe to say the screen has even less. If you'd like to buy it e-mail me an offer and I'll forward it to him. Also, is there a digest mode of the PC800 mailing list? I enjoy reading it since there is some overlap with ST stuff, but hate the 100 or so notes a day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@ix.netcom.com |Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 STOC# 105 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ditullio@lfs.loral.com Subject: digest mode W.Michael.DiTullio@inetgw.fsc.ibm.com writes: > Also, is there a digest mode of the PC800 mailing list? I enjoy reading it > since there is some overlap with ST stuff, but hate the 100 or so notes a day. Ditto on the digest mode. I think the info is great, but I had to create a LISP program to filter the PC mail from my other traffic. BTW, I hear orthogonal (and the like) on a daily basis. I admit, I have webster pretty handy. -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Corporation Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 Support email: support@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:51:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Hoot rider from Fort Myers, Fl Well I have changed my plans for the Honda Hoot. I have decided to make it my full blown vacation instead of a half week off. I hope this doesn't inconvenience those that I made plans with. I will be staying near Maggie Valley, NC. I will be in Maggie Valley June 16th - June 22nd. I will leave Huntsville Sunday morning (early?) with Grandma & Grandpa following in the land yacht. I will post my exact coordinates when my wife uncovers the documents. If Sunday travel is on your agenda please let me know and we'll scoot to the Hoot together. Also I will be riding back Saturday so anyone wishing to travel together on the return trip let me know that to. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:51:06 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, paxtora@vetmed.auburn.edu Subject: Rick Fishers Hoot plans have changed Well I have changed my plans for the Honda Hoot. I have decided to make it my full blown vacation instead of a half week off. I hope this doesn't inconvenience those that I made plans with. I will be staying near Maggie Valley, NC. I will be in Maggie Valley June 16th - June 22nd. I will leave Huntsville Sunday morning (early?) with Grandma & Grandpa following in the land yacht. I will post my exact coordinates when my wife uncovers the documents. If Sunday travel is on your agenda please let me know and we'll scoot to the Hoot together. Also I will be riding back Saturday so anyone wishing to travel together on the return trip let me know that to. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:28:30 -0400 To: SUZIMODLIN@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Back on the list again Thanks for sharing. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:25:49 -0400 To: CGreenwlt@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Them BIG Words In a message dated 96-05-29 18:38:50 EDT, CGreenwlt writes: << word "colloquially" either. >> Well, although I can't spell it I do use the above mentioned word at the drop of a hat. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 96 19:23:47 EDT From: "Mike DiTullio Lockheed Martin 609-272-2088" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: windscreen Ooops. someone e-mailed me about the screen and I hit the delete key too fast. E-mail me again...sorry. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |spazman@ix.netcom.com |Atlantic City, NJ | |1-800-AMA-JOIN |87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 STOC# 105 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, ditullio@lfs.loral.com Subject: Re: digest mode From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 May 1996 20:10:22 -0500 Lines: 16 >>>>> "KO" == Kevin Olalde writes: KO> W.Michael.DiTullio@inetgw.fsc.ibm.com writes: >> Also, is there a digest mode of the PC800 mailing list? I enjoy reading >> it since there is some overlap with ST stuff, but hate the 100 or so >> notes a day. KO> Ditto on the digest mode. Nope, no digest mode. I hate digests and don't really have the time to set it up and maintain it. If anyone else wants to digestify the list, they're welcome to do so. (A LISP program? Wow. I just use Procmail.) - J< (who runs the list, BTW) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:42:52 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Forked Again At 11:27 AM 5/23/96 EDT, you wrote: >Juan and I went riding last night and he rode mine for the first time since the >modifications. He'll be posting his impressions (work load at his office >permiting) today. Believe me, there is a vast difference between his (stock) >and mine (modified). I think a bit of catching up is in order. Here are my impressions on riding the Millenium Turtle: a) Still having the original windshield (Saeng winglets aside), the new, shorter fork springs and the fork tubes raised in the triple clamps .4", the bike feels _small_ , much more sport than tour. Looking at Cory's on my mirrors, it looks like a PC. Looking at mine from the same perspective it looks more like a Concours or a 'Wing. b)Suspension action up front is much firmer, much better controlled than mine, but still pretty responsive to pavement irregularities (here in AK we know a thing or two about those). c)The decreased trail (from the raised tubes) results in much firmer steering, needing deliberate inputs, especially in mid-turn. Riding both bikes back to back feels like switching from a car with power steering (mine) to one with out (Cory's). This is the only mod that I did not care for. However, if you are inseam challenged, this mod will help a bit. d)The new carburator settings give the almost legendary PC smoothness a new plateau, becoming even smoother, more responsive. Again, comparing the two directly, Cory's feel very smooth on acceleration. Mine feels almost like a turbo engine, with a bit of lag before the steam builds up. It really did not feel stronger than mine, but much smoother. That smoothnes comes at a price, however, since the Turtle is consistently getting between 5 and 10 percent worse fuel mileage than mine, and mine needs a carb synch and a new air filter. More on the subject later. Hope all this helps. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:14:51 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: SAENG conclusions well...after 2 weeks, I've decided to scrap the Saeng. BAD: because I'm short (5'7") in a normal sitting position, the black edging hit my eyes right at brake light level. not a good thing. Especially if I get a Corbin and drop down another inch or so... The increase of back pressure and turbulance at higher constant speeds was too annoying. I also noticed a decrease in gas milage. GOOD: The reduction in wind noise is VERY noticeable. and quite a nice option to a larger windsheild which collects rain. In a colder climate like seattle, it's very nice not having the wind on my hands or face as much. And in city driving (55 mph ave), it works like a charm! it looks really cool on the glass against my white bike. especially with the front bra thingy. SOOOO...I think that the edgeing would be best used by someone using the PC as a commuter bike...especially someone with an 89 with the original shorter screen..and someone over 5'9". It may also be nice for someone with a RIFLE +4 for some additional protection. If anyone wants to play with it and try it out, let me know.. I'll be glad to ship it out. If ya like it...either send me $20 or make a donation in my name to your local Humane Society. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 05:07:17 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Carl McMullen Subject: PC800 Shocks ? We have a 1990 PC and am trying to find aftermarket shocks which might provide improved (more compliant ride) rear shocks/springs. My wife has somewhat of a bad back and complains about the "stiff ride" of our bike. Previously we rode Beemers and she felt most of them were softer riding. Can anyone suggest some alternate shocks/springs? Thanks for your help. Best Regards. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:27:08 -0400 To: bikers@spacestar.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Shocks ? The PC has adjustable rear shocks. I've been too much of a girly man to adjust mine but I remember reading that it's important to spray some WD-40 around the bottom of the shock so that it can turn. I think Juan has done this. There is a tool in the tool kit for doing this. There are 4 settings. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:04:54 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG conclusions Dave, I would love to try it out. Chris Klass 100 Warren Street #416 Jersey City, NJ 07302 800-637-1330 Let me know if you end up sending it to me. Thanks A Lot!! Chris 95 PC800 2500 miles PS I am heading to Americade on tues. Is anyone else going? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GreyAds@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:23:18 Subject: Re: PC Trip Hints? From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) About your impending journey.... check the register for people along the way and give them a call.. www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening you'll see a map, regions of the country, and bios of the people who live in the region Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 08:21:31 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG conclusions chris... I've sent the Saeng to Keith Roberts in texas. Lets see what he thinks of it! _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 May 96 11:51:06 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Them BIG Words Z. wrote: >Well, although I can't spell it I do use the above mentioned word at the drop >of a hat. Hat ????!!! What the HELL is a "hat" ?!?!?!???? I wish all of you would stop throwing these big words around! Steve (sp?) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:27:22 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: northwest www page http://mom.isc-br.com/wetleather/ -- hey gang...check out this Northwest Riders page! _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 96 12:17:51 -0800 From: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Subject: Mike Tullio To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu This is to Mike in Atlantic City. When I replied to your messages, the reply address did not mail back to you. I am the one who sent you a message when your machine quit on Thursday. Send your e mail to me and I will forward the message that was originally sent back to me. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:05:35 -0600 From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov (9312) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wet Leather < To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: PC800 Shocks ? Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:15:18 -0700 Two choices available for the rear. Performance Works: Gas-charged, non adjustable, and ordered based on riding style and expected weight of passengers and gear. Koni (new): Adjustable preload and rebound. Currently factory is shipping parts to the US that have the wrong bushing size. Company is still trying to figure out how/what is wrong so they can fix it. I wouldn't expect things to be cleared up for a few months. BTW Front springs: Progressive Suspension -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Carl McMullen[SMTP:bikers@spacestar.com] >Sent: Friday, May 31, 1996 3:07 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800 Shocks ? > >We have a 1990 PC and am trying to find aftermarket shocks which might >provide improved (more compliant ride) rear shocks/springs. My wife >has >somewhat of a bad back and complains about the "stiff ride" of our >bike. >Previously we rode Beemers and she felt most of them were softer >riding. >Can anyone suggest some alternate shocks/springs? > >Thanks for your help. > >Best Regards. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:13:32 -0400 To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: S_mileage >That smoothnes comes at a >price, however, since the Turtle is consistently getting between 5 and 10 >percent worse fuel mileage than mine, and mine needs a carb synch and a new >air filter. More on the subject later. Hope all this helps. > >Juan When I was told that a brand new set of tyres would be paid for by Honda I decided to try to wear the stock ones out in the few weeks I would have left on them. Well the worst milage I could get was 42mpg. The next week I took it easy and worked on my smoothness and it was back to 49mpg. If I had changed the jetting between these varied riding styles I would certainly incorrectly conclude that the drop was due to the jetting when in fact it was due to my "new" riding style. I am not for one minute saying that changing jetting does not affect miles per gallon, it just can not be deduced directly. I will probably undertake the carb mod myself and damn the torpedos of MPG. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher dentfan@iquest.com Dentman711@AOL.COM Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711 Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** **** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) **** Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? $$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:17:59 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: S_mileage At 03:13 PM 5/31/96 -0400, you wrote: >When I was told that a brand new set of tyres would be paid for by Honda >I decided to try to wear the stock ones out in the few weeks I would have >left on them. Well the worst milage I could get was 42mpg. The next week >I took it easy and worked on my smoothness and it was back to 49mpg. >If I had changed the jetting between these varied riding styles I would >certainly incorrectly conclude that the drop was due to the jetting when >in fact it was due to my "new" riding style. I am not for one minute >saying that changing jetting does not affect miles per gallon, it just >can not be deduced directly. >I will probably undertake the carb mod myself and damn the torpedos of >MPG. Rick, don't have time to go into details right now, but I can tell you I obtained these mileage figures during a 1,000 mile trip that Cory and I took together, so the comparison is valid since we had the same riding style, distances and speeds. YMMV. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:38:53 -0700 From: "Keith W. Rogers" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG conclusions Dave Gross wrote: > > chris... I've sent the Saeng to Keith Roberts in texas. Lets see what > he thinks of it! I'll let y'all know ASAP. If I'm not going to use it fulltime I'll send it on to the next victim. -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ride Solo <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: S_mileage To: "INTERNET:Dentman711@aol.com" I guess the 5-10% figure is about right, but it sounds better to me this way: After we got settled in I figured I was getting consistantly 3mpg less than Juan was on every tank full. If he got 50, I got 47, etc. I think my memory is serving me correctly on this. For a while I was getting worried about it as I thought 38-40 mpg was going to be my best result. Getting 46-48 mpg at consistant 65-70 mph speeds is more than OK with me. The added snap and smoothness makes it well worth it to me. As for the differences in handling. The change in the handling suits my style very well. I've always liked the idea of having sport bike handling without the cramped ergonomics and I'm closer to that than I was before. I always feel a little more in control if I have a feeling of more direct input. Another difference in our bikes is that Juan has Dunlops and I've got Metzlers. I could feel a big difference when I switched over. I won't say that one is better than the other, there is just a big difference in how they feel. I'm very satisfied with the way it works now. Someday I'll change the shocks and be in Nirvana! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wet Leather Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:26:14 -0700 No it's not a human artform -- just stongly opinionated motorycyclists of whom most are willing to ride in the rainy northwest weather. They even have a racing team under the name WetLeather. Strictly motorycling. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl", '95 Honda VFR750 AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov[SMTP:rmclanc@sass474.sandia.gov] >Sent: Friday, May 31, 1996 10:05 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Wet Leather > ><< >Wet leather!! I'd love to look but I'm at work and if we >get caught looking at THEM type of things, we get canned on >the spot. Is it THEM kind of things? Sure sounds like it. > >Yours truly, >Scared in Albuquerque >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Rob Ramsey To: "'PC800'" Subject: AW: SAENG conclusions Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:42:08 +-200 David, I have an 89 PC800. You mention this has a different size from = later models. Is that true? Can screens from later models be mounted on = the 89 model? How much higher is it (if any)? Is it an improvement? Rob Ramsey. ---------- Van: David Gross[SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 31 mei 1996 5:14 Aan: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Onderwerp: PC800: SAENG conclusions well...after 2 weeks, I've decided to scrap the Saeng. BAD: because I'm short (5'7") in a normal sitting position, the black edging = hit my eyes right at brake light level. not a good thing. Especially if I = get a Corbin and drop down another inch or so... The increase of back pressure and turbulance at higher constant speeds = was too annoying. I also noticed a decrease in gas milage. GOOD: The reduction in wind noise is VERY noticeable. and quite a nice option to a larger windsheild which collects rain. In a colder climate like seattle, it's very nice not having the wind on my hands or face as much. And in city driving (55 mph ave), it works like a charm! it looks really cool on the glass against my white bike. especially = with the front bra thingy. SOOOO...I think that the edgeing would be best used by someone using the = PC as a commuter bike...especially someone with an 89 with the original shorter screen..and someone over 5'9". It may also be nice for someone with a RIFLE +4 for some additional protection. If anyone wants to play with it and try it out, let me know.. I'll be = glad to ship it out. If ya like it...either send me $20 or make a donation = in my name to your local Humane Society. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:04:46 From: WKern@gnn.com (Walter F Kern, Jr) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Americade Anyone going to Americade? I plan to be there starting Tuesday. Look for twin 1990 PCs with CB antennas - my wife has her own bike. Walt Kern ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:14:42 -0700 To: Rob Ramsey , "'PC800'" From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: AW: SAENG conclusions rob...the 89 shied is about 2 inches shorter and not as wide. I successfuly put a '90 shield on mine..NICE improvement! A little more back pressure, but the reduced wind noise is wonderful...ask around on the board..there are quite a few people who put Rifle's on and have sheilds laying around (I got mine for $50!). Just post a request! _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html