********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:22:25 -0500 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: compounding >hey..just wondered...I have a few spots that don't seem to want to come >clean >with the good old Honda Spray...is it ok to use rubbing compound, or some >of that Blue Coral de-oxidizing stuff??? Ouch! I would try Meguires they have several "levels" of abrasives. I use these after paying hundreds of $$$$ for "professional" stuff. The Meguires works better than most. Start with the least abrasive and work your way up that way you wont have to remove unnecassary scratches caused by heavier compounds. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Apr 1996 06:44:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 06:44:28 -0800 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: compounding thanks!! I've herd of the maquires stuff before..i'll give it a shot.. dave _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Re: Light out The PC doesn't have parking lights. The yellow lights act only as turn signals, not running lights -UNLESS- you've installed an SOS Priority light (as I have) which makes them into running lights when the turn signals aren't in use. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:18:49 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:26:52 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: smupony@infomagic.com, tibbs@uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: web site -Reply The new owner registration web page is not yet linked in from http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800. Soon! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" , "'Alexander D. Gray'" Subject: RE: Light out Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:38:56 -0800 Getting to the rear lightbulbs won't take much work. If memory serves me right here are the directions. 1) Open the rear trunk lid 2) You'll find two allen bolts along the rear lip of the trunk. A couple of inches on either side from the latch. These bolts go down into the top of the taillight assembly. 3) Remove the two allen bolts 4) Gently pull the taillight assembly off by pulling horizontally away from the bike. 5) There are two quick-disconnect wire connectors in rubber boots on either side. You can unhook are let the assembly gently hang. Just make sure everything is plugged in good and tight when you're done. 6) Unscrew the plastic mount from the light you want to replace and you'll see your bulb. Reverse order to reassemble. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Alexander D. Gray[SMTP:smupony@infomagic.com] >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 5:02 PM >To: 'PC 800 mailing list' >Subject: Light out > >Ok gang, I need some help. I have my rear, (right side as your looking >at it) yellow turn signal light out. It still flashes when I'm turning >but the "parking light" you know the ones that stay on all the time is >not working. Do any of you know if this is a single light bulb or one >of those dull ones. > >Can someone please give me instructions on how to take the bulb out? do >I do it from underneath or do I have to take the trunk apart? > >Thanks for your help gang! > >your fellow rider, >Alexander D. Gray >smupony@infomagic.com >in Flagstaff, Arizona > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'nurse@hooked.net'" Subject: RE: Low gas milage.. Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:47:53 -0800 Do you use Premium high-octane fuel? There was discussion way back about the possibility of the additives in these fuels causing small holes to form in the fuel-petcock. If you search on "fuel smell" you'll find a lot of mail on the subject. In my own experience I had the fuel smell problem and my mileage was tapering off. I took the petcock apart and found the rubber diaphragms had deteriorated. $80 later and a new petcock solved the problems. I was using Premium fuel and had been since I purchased the bike used with 15k. Problems arose by 18k and I didn't fix them till 24k or so. Carb tuning is the first suspect so check that first before scouring the list archives. Kent Polk sent most of the email and tracked this problem down. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: nurse@hooked.net[SMTP:nurse@hooked.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 30, 1996 9:16 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Low gas milage.. > >Hi Guys, > >Just wondering if anyone out here in PC Cyberspace has any idea why my >1992 >PC would all of a sudden start to get poor gas milage? I was getting >120 to >130 miles per gas tank...(freeway and city commuting.) Now I'm barley >getting 90 mile per tank... > >My last tune up was at 8,000k. I have 10,005 miles on the odometer >right now. > >Bob > >Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:06:12 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, nurse@hooked.net Subject: Re: Low gas milage.. Should we NOT be using High Octane fuel? Was there a consensus reached? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'nurse@hooked.net'" , "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Low gas mileage.. Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:14:19 -0800 I'm sorry I should have given everyone the answer. Though it's hard to pinpoint what fuels and where the were manufactured, it seemed to appear that most of the people with the fuel-smell problem had been running premium or super grade fuels. After much discussion (months) about octane ratings, additives, and what the PC really needed/preferred it was generally agreed that "Regular Unleaded" was a sufficient fuel and less likely to cause the fuel-smell problem yet still maintain good performance. Regular unleaded is what I've been burning ever since and fuel smell/petcock have yet to return. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: GuntherSki@aol.com[SMTP:GuntherSki@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 01, 1996 11:06 AM >To: Bryce Ulrich; pc800@hpc.uh.edu; nurse@hooked.net >Subject: Re: Low gas milage.. > >Should we NOT be using High Octane fuel? Was there a consensus reached? > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu.'" , "'Adrian Foley'" Subject: RE: pc800 info Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:29:25 -0800 Welcome to the group! The PC800 is 99.9% unchanged from the original model year. Pick your color, find a good bike for sale, and you're all set. The Honda Sport Touring Assoc newsletter "Star" often has ad's for used PC's as does this mailing list. Used prices are typically in the 3-4k range and new models are like 5.8 - 8.5k. BTW: I've priced shipping from Seattle to Boston once and it was just a tad over $500 bucks one way insured. Many riders prefer a taller windshield from Hondaline or Rifle. Other riders have experimented with CB's, radios, and the like. Tire preference leans towards either Metlzer ML2's or a similar stock Dunlop tire. I recommend using the mojordomo archives. Download a year or so and then search for keywords like Tires, Tankbag, etc and you'll find lots of talk on the subject. The search engine on the web page will work for this as well. http://www.hpc.uh.edu/pc800/ Roger Prince, one of the touring champs on the list, lives in Mass as well. He'll probably send you a reply later today. Members are scattered throughout the country and would probably enjoy a summer visit by a fellow rider. See http://www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening for member names/locations. Keep us informed! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:39:29 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico On 3/28/96 Ed Johnson prefaced his trip report with a disclaimer that it was overly long with too much uninteresting detail. Absolutely not, Ed! Your trip report was as interesting and colorful as anything I've read in Rider or any of the other mags. I enjoyed it immensely. You're a good writer! That's what this list is all about, IMHO. Ridin' Info, Good Cybersations, and Stories. Great job. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:40:47 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shhhh..... Bas posted about how easy it is to "sneak" up on people with the PC: Having ridden other bikes before getting the PC, I was used to shifting by ear. Forget that with the PC! I still occasionally catch myself in a lower gear than I want to be. We live on a very quiet dead end road without sidewalks. Can't tell ya how many times I've come up behind people walking down the road and surprised them 'cause they didn't hear me coming. Teenagers? I have to honk to get their attention because it's in the Teen Code to walk six abreast and they're yakking so much they don't hear my approach. Think I'll buy a tape with Harley Sounds and an amplifier... Tim ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:28:55 -0500 To: simmonsk@csra.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Welcome Ken Welcome Ken! We are next door neighbors. I live North of Huntsville, AL. I have been out riding several times in the last month. Lets get together and plan a ride for later this Spring. We have another member over your way. I can't recall who but if you watch the headers you will see GA in it when he posts. Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:28:10 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up >I have a taller shield w/ a windshield wiper on front to catch some of >the wind. Where did you get a windshield wiper? Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:34:55 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Factory Honda manuals anyone? I was in Salt Lake City, Utah recently and found 3 manuals. 1989, 1989,90 and a 1989-1994. I bought the latter and left the rest. They sell for $15.00. If anyone is interested please let me know and I will send you their info. Does anyone know if I am missing anything important by using the 1994 version on my 1995 PC800? It looks like they pasted in a few revised pages and reissued the same manual for 1994. Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Cycle Wiper (was Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:43:59 -0800 "Cycle Wiper" is sold through Infinity Trading at 206-556-9800. The owner is a Wing rider who got fed up one rainy day and decided he could make some great products. $140 and includes a variable speed control when I bought it almost 2 years ago. He also makes some real tough windshields, a motorcycle cell phone, wood trip panels, etc. Nice guy and likes to talk. Mounting is on the front of the shield about 2 inches above the vent. I doubt it would work on the stock shield because it needs a fairly flat (from top to bottom, not left to right) surface. Fits the Rifle shield fairly well. 5 holes need to be drilled (reverse drilling melts a clean hole through and won't crack!). Black housing sticks out about 1.5 inches and is about 6 inches wide. Wiper arm removes easily and sits in the trunk nicely in a protective case. Variable speed control was mounted in the left pocket. The wiper does require the use of a silicon spray to act as a lubricant. You'll need to reapply every hour in a heavy downpour. Nice feature of the spray is it fills in the scratches and makes the shield look great too. One small can lasted over a year riding in Seattle. Does it scratch? It will over time, especially in the winter when there's more grime kicked up by cars in the rain. I used plastic polish every few months to buff them all out and things look as good as new again. Motorcycle Consumer News has reported on it and had one on their ultimate touring rig. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 01, 1996 2:28 PM >To: Bryce Ulrich; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: RE: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up > >>I have a taller shield w/ a windshield wiper on front to catch some of >>the wind. > >Where did you get a windshield wiper? > > > >Dentman711@AOL.COM > >******************************************************************** > > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" >;-) > > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat > >HSTA # 6578 > >$$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >******************************************************************** > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:50:46 -0500 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shhhh..... >Think I'll buy a tape with Harley Sounds and an amplifier... > >Tim Or a tape of a Royal Star :-) Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:04:36 -0700 (MST) From: Eric York To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Factory Honda manuals anyone? On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > I was in Salt Lake City, Utah recently and found 3 manuals. 1989, 1989,90 > and a 1989-1994. I bought the latter and left the rest. They sell for > $15.00. For those of you considering a Honda shop manual, this is a VERY good price. I paid something like $30 for my '89-90 manual in '91, and have considered it to be well worth the cost. I just ordered a manual for my soon-to-be wife's Shadow, and got skinned to the tune of something like $41. :( (in concession) Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NThompso@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:55:03 -0500 To: simmonsk@csra.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pacific coast voltage regulator failure In a message dated 96-03-28 20:46:13 EST, you write: >Subj: pacific coast voltage regulator failure >Date: 96-03-28 20:46:13 EST >From: simmonsk@csra.net (Ken Simmons) >To: nthompso@aol.com > >I have a pc800 1989 vintage with 7000 miles on it. It has boiled out >two batteries. The voltage at 5000 rpm is 19VDC. Is failure of this >$150.00 part a common problem??? >Thanks...Ken > > > Ken: I am forwarding this message to the listserver. Listserver: As far as I know, this guy is not subscribed. If you want to reply to him do so directly although you may want to copy the list for everyones benefit. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Judfish@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:11:41 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Newbie Hello all, my name is Judd Grewal from Westminster, California. E-mail to JUDFISH@aol.com I own an 89 PC800 with only 11,500 miles on it. It was bought used 2 years ago for $3500. No modifications have been made yet as I've been stuck with a longterm electrical problem ( long story E-mail if you need details ). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:55:36 -0500 To: Dentman711@aol.com, simmonsk@csra.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome Ken Hey Kent and Dent, Did you guys find each other with the mailing list page? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:00:21 -0500 To: Judfish@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie Welcome Juddddd, Glad to have you. What's the nature of your electrical problem? You have been posted to the mailing list. E-mail me if you want to include any more details about yourself. www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening is the address of the mailing list members home page, sort of a geographical breakdown Happy Trails, Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:13:40 -0500 To: Judfish@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie >I've been stuck with a >longterm electrical problem ( long story E-mail if you need details ). Did this problem get solved? Someone here could certainly help. So far this year we have solved the Bosnian thing, the dropping interest ratie thing and the PC800 vs any other motorcycle thing. We could do your thing to! Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 21:20 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: mileage I just picked up my "new" used PC on Saturday. I rode 189 miles before stopping for gas. It only took three and a half gallons to fill it. I calculated my mileage and figured I got 54 mpg. Just wanted to share my numbers for comparison. -- Thanks, Julie Pipkin (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:24:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:24:28 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: mileage I'm still getting only 35-40 mpg..a little more on highway trips...may need to resync the carbs.... _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:48:20 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Michael R. Wyatt" Subject: Headlight adjustment Hi, folks. I'm Mike from England, and I've subscribed on behalf of my friend Tony who owns a Red 1990 Pc800, but doesn't have a computer! There are a couple of questions he would love answers to. (1) How do you adjust the headlight- its pointing up too high? (2) Does anyone have a secondhand Workshop Manual for this model for sale- cheepish? Please excuse any quaint Limey expressions in this message, but I am in darkest Somerset! Thanks, Mike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JSchreiter@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:10:32 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC 800 mailing list I'd like to get on the list. How? John Schreiter ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Michael R. Wyatt'" Subject: RE: Headlight adjustment Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:12:06 -0800 Hi Mike, The headlight has two screws for adjustments though there found in a rather unexpected place. Basically imagine laying the back of your head on the front fender and look up. Behind the headlight, along it's lower edge, and to the rear of the trim plate you see if front of you there will be two holes that will be near the corners of the headlight assembly. Put a phillips screwdriver or a small flat blade in each and turn to adjust the headlight. You're not turning a screw but a gear wheel which turns the adjustment screws. (It sounds weird till you see a picture of it.) With a bright light you might be able to look in the holes I'm describing and you'll see what I'm talking about. I'm sorry but I can't recall the post below came in just the other day. Enjoy! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 01, 1996 2:34 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Factory Honda manuals anyone? > >I was in Salt Lake City, Utah recently and found 3 manuals. 1989, >1989,90 >and a 1989-1994. I bought the latter and left the rest. They sell for >$15.00. If anyone is interested please let me know and I will send you >their info. >Does anyone know if I am missing anything important by using the 1994 >version on my 1995 PC800? It looks like they pasted in a few revised >pages and reissued the same manual for 1994. > > > Dentman711@AOL.COM > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:04:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sebastiaan Kruit cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu.'" Subject: RE: pc800 info On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Bryce Ulrich wrote: > Members are scattered throughout the country and would probably enjoy a > summer visit by a fellow rider. See > http://www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening for member names/locations. > Keep us informed! Please don't forget the people from other continents ;) We like to be kept up to date what's going on with the pc and it's owners. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:01:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Thanks! (for the nice interface to the archives) Jason, I'd like to thanks you _very_ much for the interface to the archives. It's a very nice interface to get info from the archives in a sec, instead of downing a lot of files and browse through them. Thanks again, Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 2 Apr 96 20:08:56 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Michael R. Wyatt" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Headlight adjustment The adjuster on the left side of the bike is for the vertical adj and the one on the right for the horizontal. It would have been much easier had they put knobs on the damned weird adjusters. All bikes with fairings should have adj knobs on the dash. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Michael R. Wyatt Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 1996 7:48 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Headlight adjustment Hi, folks. I'm Mike from England, and I've subscribed on behalf of my friend Tony who owns a Red 1990 Pc800, but doesn't have a computer! There are a couple of questions he would love answers to. (1) How do you adjust the headlight- its pointing up too high? (2) Does anyone have a secondhand Workshop Manual for this model for sale- cheepish? Please excuse any quaint Limey expressions in this message, but I am in darkest Somerset! Thanks, Mike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:27:03 -0500 To: bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pc800 info I'm trying. Check out the World Area!!!! Give me your details, Seb.. Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:15:47 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Honda Hoot anyone? Anyone going up to the Honda Hoot on June 19-22 (Wed- Sat) in Asheville, N.C. from around Huntsville, Alabama? I would like to talk about riding up to the event with some other riders. My map program tells me it's about a 6 hour ride and under 300 miles. This is on NON interstate roads. I would prefer to use Highways, since there is not much scenery on an interstate. Let me know if your planning on attending and would like to ride together. I don't necessarily have to go Wed - Sat I am flexible on length of stay etc. Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:17:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Leathers or not ? I have been reading a lot of Motorcycle reviews about riding jackets and one pieces. My question is this. Do you REALLY need these or are they just cool accessories? Now I like accessories as much as the next guy, but hey these things cost a lot. Especially if you have two to buy for. Also I live in the Deep South and wonder how cool these outfits wil be in the middle of a scorching summer. I will ride mostly in the warmest part of the year so it stands to reason I would want something comfortable during that type of weather. I would appreciate any input you would care to throw my way on these matters. Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:43:44 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? At 11:17 3/4/96, Dentman711@aol.com wrote: >I have been reading a lot of Motorcycle reviews about riding jackets and >one pieces. My question is this. Do you REALLY need these or are they >just cool accessories? I tend to think of them as *warm* accessories!! I have light grey leathers -- jacket and chaps -- that I think go well with the pearl/taupe '89 PC colours. On a cool day it makes the difference between being comfortable on a long ride and not. For me, the disadvantage is that I have some friends who have had leather jackets stolen- e.g. from cloak rooms or their offices, and I really hate having to worry about a piece of clothing. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? Glad someone brought this up. I've always felt like the odd man out as most of my riding buds wear full leathers or the heavy Aero stich. I own neither, and never will unless I move back to Maine from San Diego. I would prefer not to ride than to wear that stuff in warm weather. I've tried leathers and was miserable - couldn't wait to get them off. I simply could not enjoy riding that way. However, there is no question of the protection they offer - and I think it extends beyond just road rash. Back in '82 I had a bad 'un and lost 45% of my skin - spent two weeks on burn sheets. I was in shorts and tee shirt when it happened. It was mostly just first degree with some second degree. I healed fine, and was comfortable for the month I spent in the hospital, and have only a little permanent scarring. I've thought about that experience a lot, and the thousands of riding hours in the fourteen years since that I've enjoyed without leathers - and have decided that a few weeks of discomfort is well worth the years of much enhanced riding enjoyment. Do I recommend that no one wear leathers? NO. I post this here simply to give my point of view. Its a personal decision. Also, from what I read here, many of you find them comfortable. If I did, I'd wear them. Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 03 Apr 1996 12:43:27 -0600 Lines: 14 >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> I have been reading a lot of Motorcycle reviews about riding jackets and D> one pieces. My question is this. Do you REALLY need these or are they D> just cool accessories? I wear my Aerostich every single time I take the bike out of the parking lot, which is every day since I don't own a car. I wouldn't ride without protection because I happen to like my skin. Sure it gets warm in the summer, but it's much better than the alternative. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Roger_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com CC: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 12:44:10 Subject: Re: Reply to: A mailing list tester From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Thanks for the new info. I'll make the correction. About the form.... I am a big fan of ACT!, a PIM (personal information manager). I have everyone's info in it. However, to make a database work on the Internet, you need to know CGI scripting ( I pretty sure) as well as some other things ( I am not at sure what they would be, but I bet they are out there). So, I put everyone's info into ACT!, then I generated a report, sorted it by state, broke it apart by region and TADA.... the beginning of the page. I included at the beginning of each page my information. I hoped that this would act as a guide for the kind of info I (we???) were looking for. The "User 6" field, "Member of..." were ideas I had to allow the thing to be organized. User 6 is a left over. I wasn't sure which direction the thing was going to take so I included it just in case. However, below is an example of the kind of info the Mailing List now contains. It is, of course, subject to change.... Company: where do you work? what biz are you in? Contact: Who are you? What is your name? Phone: if I want to set up a ride, what do I call Fax: maybe not needed but..... Title: what do you do to pay for your ride Address: where do you live Name of City and State go here Other Info:anything else you'd like to share Member of : my thought here was online provider, cycle group, any other club that you belong to that tells us about you DoD, HSTA.... Bike: what year, any other rides??? e-mail:Guntherski@aol.com born: when? Age? 7/28/63 status: single, married, .... Home Page: if you have one, I'll link this page to it User 6: A bonus field, may never get used.... Notes: The field for spillover, random info. Neill was doing some work on a form to ease the submission of info The idea was to include as much info as you wanted with the goal being that the reader gets some idea of who you are and what you're about. Without getting too philosophical or psycological, where we live, what we do, our age, maritial status... are little pieces of the puzzle that make us what we are. I have asked (or am asking now) for photos of you, your bike.... which I will post. Again, the idea is to let US know more about YOU!!!! OK, I'm off the soap box. I'm glad you're getting some utility out of the page. Keep the round things down, Z > >From: Roger Prince:DGC >Date: ## 04/02/96 09:00 ## >If AOL under member of: is America On Line, I'm not. I was until >this past weekend. You could replace it on that line with WOW!, GNN, >MSN. Whatever. >Good job putting it together. You should send out a form, filled out >as an example. I wasn't sure what you were looking for until I saw >the book. Still not sure of a couple items. What's Member of:, User >6:? > >Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:43:03 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? Cc: cathy.farrow@corp.sun.com Hi Folks - At 10:17 AM 4/3/96 -0500, Dentman711@AOL.COM wrote: >I have been reading a lot of Motorcycle reviews about riding jackets and >one pieces. My question is this. Do you REALLY need these or are they >just cool accessories? Wellllll, I used to ride in a t-shirt and jeans quite a bit. In fact, on one particularly hot day (probably in August, here in NoCal) I went out for a ride with my wife, wearing t-shirt, jeans, and no gloves. She wore all of her gear - gloves, boots, jacket. We had a low-speed crash; my sidestand caught in the pavement in about a 25mph curve, and pitched us onto the road. My car-driver friend who was behind us stopped, and so did the oncoming traffic. (Good thing, since we slid to a stop in the middle of the road.) I remember thinking, in mid-air, "I wish I had worn my jacket." After sliding along the pavement for several feet, and looking at the road rash on my hands and arms, I *really* wished I had. (At the time, I was using a denim jacket, 'cuz leather wasn't in the budget. But either way, it didn't do me any good being on the hook at home.) After I helped my wife up, picked up the bike and rolled it out of the road, shock set it. Everything got really gray, and my ears started ringing, and my buddy made me sit down before I fell down........ (It's amazing how minor an injury can be and still produce a shock reaction. Before this incident, I always thought that you had to lose a limb or something to produce this kind of physiological reaction.) I ended up with road rash on hands and arms, and bandages and sores for several weeks. My wife had the breath knocked out of her, and got a skinned knee, but was otherwise fine. (Just for giggles, try riding your bike without touching the bars with the heels of your hands - fingers only. Fun!) >Now I like accessories as much as the next guy, but hey these things cost >a lot. Especially if you have two to buy for. Yup, they're expensive. I bought leather jackets (good, heavy ones) for my wife and myself over 2 years - hers one Christmas, mine the next. >Also I live in the Deep South and wonder how cool these outfits wil be in >the middle of a scorching summer. I will ride mostly in the warmest part >of the year so it stands to reason I would want something comfortable >during that type of weather. One major plus for leathers or an Aerostitch suit is that it will extend your riding season by quite a lot. The difference in comfort on a chilly day between my old denim and my leather is *huge.* I can ride comfortably in temps down to about 40 F, with a layer under my leather jacket. Below that, the insulated liner goes in, too. In hot weather, I wear a t-shirt under it, and open the vents. It's good to about 90F, with sweating. ;-) For longer rides at or above those temps, I either switch back to the denim, or pour water over myself before adding the jacket. Air flow through the jacket produces surprisingly good evaporative cooling. I use a Hein Gericke Dakar jacket, which has pretty poor venting, too. Other types, especially the Vent-Techs, would provide much better air-flow. I'd consider buying a Vent-Tech for summer, if they came in my size. A buddy of mine has a 'Stitch, and it's *really* nifty. Mostly waterproof, breathable, tons o' vents, etc. About 50% more expensive than a good leather jacket, but scads more versatile. I'll probably end up buying one of them in the next year or so. (It promises to be cooler in the summer than my Dakar, and will serve as raingear for all conditions but torrential downpours. Here in SF Bay, we get regular fog, drizzle, and light rain for most of the winter, so the 'Stitch looks pretty good....) >I would appreciate any input you would care to throw my way on these >matters. Well, if you care about avoiding road-rash, some sort of protective jacket or suit is mandatory. It's your call - How fond are you of your epidermis? Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 03 Apr 96 14:45:37 EST From: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU (Sidney S. Letter) Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've contacted the pavement twice in 25 years - once from a bicycle and once from a motorcycle moving at what was hardly more than brisk-bicycle speed. The motorcycle accident cost me the side of my pants and the finish of a heavy vinyl pseudo-leather jacket. The bicycle accident broke my collarbone, severely skinned my face and shoulder, and exposed (once the pavement and cigar butts were removed) the tendons controlling eight of my fingers. My vote is for leather jacket and gloves whenever the rider can possibly tolerate them. I admit that my piety in this regard is, undoubtedly, easier to maintain in light of the fact that I live and ride where summers are relatively short and cool. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:20:37 -0600 (CST) Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:22:39 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Tire Pressure Hi Group, For Group Information: Ijust spoke with someone at METZELER and they recommend ML2 tire pressure on the Pacific Coast to be Front-40-42 PSI and Rear- 45-46 PSI. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:29:25 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: Leathers or not ? --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PC800: Re: Leathers or not ? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-04-03 14:13:35 EST From: Klass C To: tibbs@uh.edu Which aerostich do you have? I am very seriously considering getting one. I have a Hein Gericke Dakar, and I know that come the NY hot humid summer I will need something else that is cooler. Do you find the Aerostich is cooler? Chris Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:10:24 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 21:04:38 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List , Dentman711@aol.com Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > > I have been reading a lot of Motorcycle reviews about riding jackets and > one pieces. My question is this. Do you REALLY need these or are they > just cool accessories? > > Now I like accessories as much as the next guy, but hey these things cost > a lot. Especially if you have two to buy for. > > Also I live in the Deep South and wonder how cool these outfits wil be in > the middle of a scorching summer. I will ride mostly in the warmest part > of the year so it stands to reason I would want something comfortable > during that type of weather. > > I would appreciate any input you would care to throw my way on these > matters. > >From my reading, I feel that leathers are an important part of riding. A good set of leathers (or other types of riding jackets and chaps) will keep the skin grafts away. Cotton wears through in about 1 second of sliding, denim in about 5-10 and leathers/kevlar in up to 30 seconds. Skin, well that holds up about a millisecond when in contact with asphalt. A good jacket will last, with care many years. It is an investment in your body. Of course, none of us wants to admit that we have the possiblity of going down, but that possiblity is there, every time we get on the bike. I have read many review of riding jackets that have very good ventilation systems and offer outstanding protection. Perhaps the most well known name is Aerostitch. Expensive, but well worth the price. There jackets are know to last many many years. Myself, I have a leather jacket that I purchased for about $120. It has a zip out liner and I have worn it summer and winter here in DC. It gets a little warm occationally, but I have never felt too uncomfortable. My fiance, on the other hand, refuses to wear her leather in the summer. She gets way too hot and takes the risks of denim. However, she feel that passing out from heat exhaustion would not be good either. It all depends on the risks you are willing to take and your heat tolerance. That's my $.02 worth - probably more than anyone wanted! -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== for ; Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:14:24 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 21:08:38 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > I just spoke with someone at METZELER and they recommend ML2 tire pressure > on the Pacific Coast to be Front-40-42 PSI and Rear- 45-46 PSI. Is this in reference to OEM tires, or the recommended replacement? I haven't ever bothered to look at what rubber I was running, just been going by the factory specs..... -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:26:12 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Howdy! I have been lurking here the past few weeks and thought it time to introduce myself. My name is Clint Greenwalt. I live in Sugar Land, TX (just SW of Houston). My e-mail address is CGreenwlt@aol.com. I do not currently own a Coast, but will be "in the market" as soon as finances permit. Will probably buy an '89 (or '90 if I find a deal). The last bike I owned was a Honda Scrambler 360(?) I rode for a couple of years in college (without ever bothering with a license). I actually got my license today! My best friend has been kind enough to allow me to learn to ride (with a "learner's" permit) on his bikes. He has two Beemers: a '93 K1100LT and a brand spanking new '96 R1100RS. Not exactly beginner bikes, but beggars (and friends) can't be choosey! My friend actually won the RS in a charity raffle! I have taken advantage of the archives over the past couple of weeks - tons of great info! Have also checked out the web page. I am very impressed with the passion shown by this group for their bikes! As a "rookie", I have a few questions that are somewhat unrelated to the PC800. (1) I have read all the references to the windshield type/height/edging/etc. However, I have the impression that helmet brand/model may impact wind noise. Any recommendations? (2) Any recommendations on summer gloves, boots? (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:22:50 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 23:19:50 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , CGreenwlt@aol.com Subject: Re: Howdy! CGreenwlt@aol.com wrote: . . . > However, I have the impression that helmet brand/model may impact wind noise. Any recommendations? I have 2 Shoeis. An RF700 full, and their 3/4. The full is quiet and comfortable, with very little wind noise. the 3/4 is a good fit for those warm days when I can't stand to be closed in. Different brands seem to work better depending on the shape of your noggin. Try' em all. The only real suggestion is to _not_ skimp. I bought a $60 emergency spare that's thin, uncomfortable, and just doesn't feel safe. Tires and helmets should not be a subject of compromise. End of sermon! > (2) Any recommendations on summer gloves, boots? Tourmaster makes nice gloves. Combination mesh/leather, or full leather. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:22:35 -0600 (CST) Thu, 4 Apr 1996 9:24:29 -0500 (EST) To: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 09:08 PM 4/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >Waldo E. Meeks wrote: >> I just spoke with someone at METZELER and they recommend ML2 tire pressure >> on the Pacific Coast to be Front-40-42 PSI and Rear- 45-46 PSI. > >Is this in reference to OEM tires, or the recommended replacement? I >haven't ever bothered to look at what rubber I was running, just been going >by the factory specs..... This is ONLY METZELERs recommendation for the METZELER ML2 tires used on the Pacific Coast. I assume the Dunlop 177 is what the manufacture recommends. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 09:44:20 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "PC800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Tires and MPG ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/04/96 09:44 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince Date: ## 04/04/96 09:34 ## I don't know if new PCs come with any tires other than the Dunlop K555s. I've never seen one. My first headlight adjusting experience came after changing tires. Prior to going to HSTA's STAR'90 in Texas I put a set of K177s on to be certain I was covered for the trip. I ended up in a motel parking lot in Houston adjusting the headlight vertically after stopping early. That was caused by the headlight aimed way too high. I subsequently determined the PC rear sat lower by over 1/4" with K177s vs K555s mounted. Also less ground clearance. Plus the two-up load and the shocks being well broken-in (could have been called just broken). When I got my second '90PC I had it delivered with ML2s, my first of those. The tires replaced were K555s. I had to make a major adjustment to the headlight once again. I talked to Metzeler about the sizing. They said the PC ML2 sizes should be right on because they copied the OEM tire measurements. To me it's obvious which OEMs, K177s. After a couple sets of ML2s, I decided I didn't like them. The front is very vague and the rear steps/scallops? badly, no matter how what psi you run. The rear becomes noisy to the point of distraction above 6K miles. I then tried a ME-88 rear 140/90H-15 and ME33 CompK 120/70-17 front. I didn't like the quicker steering or the rear being ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:52:21 -0600 (CST) Thu, 4 Apr 1996 9:54:08 -0500 (EST) To: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Forwarded: Tires and MPG Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >From: Roger Prince >Date: ## 04/04/96 09:34 ## I didn't like the quicker steering or the rear being What happened to the rest of the mail. It was just getting interesting. How about dunlop k177 on front and metezeler ml2 on rear??? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:04:11 -0500 To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Howdy! For summer boots I would suggest the Rockport XCS. They are Gortex lined and give excellent ankle protection. The Shoei RF-R is an excellent helmet without being real expensive. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 10:05:14 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "PC800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Tires and MPG Part II Sorry about this but my system limits message length. (Cont) I didn't like the quicker steering or the rear being so much higher. The ME88 also stepped like the ML2. My MPG went up 10% but so didn't the distances I travelled. I finally settled on the CompK on the front and an ML2 on the rear. The ML2 still steps but my hearing is going bad so I've accepted that. The front also steps if you don't keep the psi up around 38. These are what I have settled on, given that there aren't a lot of choices of tires out there for the PC. My MPG/odmeter reading are about 3% above K177/K555 pairs. Keep whatever rubber you choose on the road Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NThompso@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 10:17:53 -0500 To: forest@slip.net cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New site David: It has been my general rule of thumb not to try to maintain links on the PC800 web page to too many pages as they seem to come and go way too often for me to keep up with. Instead, when something like this comes up, I forward it to the PC800 email distribution list (currently over 100 subscribers!). I think you may actually get more exposure this way. Best wishes and ride safely. In a message dated 96-04-04 04:53:14 EST, you write: >Subj: New site >Date: 96-04-04 04:53:14 EST >From: forest@slip.net >To: nthompso@aol.com > >Howdy! > >If you have the time I would love for you to check out our new web site. > >LA to Argentina in November for cancer and children. > >We sure could use your help by providing a link and letting as many people as > >possible know about this ride. > >Sincerely, > >david baumgarten >http://www.slip.net/~forest/RTTM/RTTM.html >Riding To The Moon > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: bryceu@microsoft.com CC: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 09:17:14 Subject: zip code??? From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) If people include the zip code with their city, state info, I include it where you would expect it to be. Glad it seems to be working. It's fun to see the visitor counter go up and know that all of the hits aren't mine. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu CC: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 09:23:33 Subject: what if I can't get to the web??? From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hi Barbara, I am posting this to all because it seemed that it might apply to others. I would conduct a search for you if you were looking for people in a specific area. I could e-mail you a list or send you a file. However, I can't do this for everyone or very often. Also, the list is evolving. I'd try to get on-line!!!! :) Reminds of the old joke "Doctor, it hurts when I do this! Doctor says, "Don't do that" Z >I am being the devil's advocate on this one but what if an owner has only >access to e mail in a company but not access to internet to get to the >archives or visit the web pages. Just inquiring . > > >-- > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Packer Collegiate Institute > Brooklyn, NY >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:20:11 -0500 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Pressure >Ijust spoke with someone at METZELER and they recommend ML2 tire pressure on >the Pacific Coast to be Front-40-42 PSI and Rear- 45-46 PSI. > >Waldo Well I am trying to get Honda to replace the rotted tires on my PC and the mechanic checked my rear tire and told me 40psi was to much pressure even for two up riding. Strange. He also told me I had rode with low pressure before checking the pressure! He claimed that was why the side walls were cracking! I pointed out that the cracking was occurring on the left side only. He then said that my use of Armor-All could cause it! I told him I just put it on the day before for the very first time. Does anyone else think this guy is: A) an idiot B) thinks I am an idiot C) a crook I really could not believe the treatment I got from these people. He wanted to know first thing if I had purchased the bike from them. I buy tons of stuff from them and have for years, but in fact I had purchased this bike from an individual. I could tell that co-operation was going to get thin after asking if I had purchased the bike their. I could go on but I will wait and see if I get any satisfaction from these people. Then I will let everyone know how they helped or hindered me. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 09:16:28 PST From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Pony Express Ride ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) FORWARDED MESSAGE 04/04/96 08:15 FROM Erin.Dolin "Erin Dolin" To my fellow riding enthusiasts, I hope you don't mind this blatant plug, but I'd like to share some information on a motorcycling event that I'll be participating in this summer. If the mood strikes you to actually send me a donation, any and all will be greatly appreciated. I apologize in advance for the lengthy announcement, but it is a worthy cause. Erin PONY EXPRESS RIDE, WOMEN RIDING FOR RESEARCH 1996 Hi friends, I'd like to tell you about an exciting event that will be happening throughout the United States beginning in late June called the Pony Express Tour '96. The Pony Express Tour is a motorcycle ride which begins in St. Joseph, MO on June 29 and ends in Dallas, TX on August 18 and is being organized by the Women's Motorcyclist Foundation. The purpose of this ride is to help fight breast cancer and to find a cure. Riders agree to raise a minimum of $1000 for the chance to travel a leg of the selected route. All legs are between 100-300 miles and I have been fortunate enough to be chosen as one of the principal riders in this wonderful event. This is where you come in. I am collecting donations in any amount on behalf of the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation, Inc., a Texas non profit corporation. Their mission is to eradicate breast cancer as a life threatening disease by advancing research, education, screening and treatment. Did you realize that breast cancer is the leading cause of death, from all causes, of women between the ages of 35 and 54? Seventy-five percent of all breast cancers occur in women with NO KNOWN RISK FACTORS. All women are at risk and one's risk increases with advancing age. Mammography is the best known method of early detection. Monthly breast self-examination and regular clinical breast examinations by a health care professional are also important. But breast cancer doesn't only affect women. In 1994 approximately 1000 men developed breast cancer and 300 died. I am asking you to please donate to this cause. If you want to make a donation, please make checks payable to the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation. In the memo line put Women Riding for Research. Donations should be in by May 15, 1996. Any and all donations that I collect will go directly into a dedicated breast cancer research fund titled "Women Riding for Research". One hundred percent of the money goes to research!! And it is a tax-duductible donation. You may either phone me at home at (415)969-1328 or at work (415) 725-8245, e-mail me at Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu, or drop by my desk in Terman 222. There are two web pages set up with more information about the ride and the cause and I encourage you to browse through them. They are: http://www/lifetimetv.com/sports/PonyExpress/index.html http://orion.it.luc.edu/edu/~shuff/pony.html I know that I'm not alone when I say that breast cancer has touched my life with friends and family having been diagnosed with it or dying from it. Thanks for your time and I hope to hear from you soon. Erin Dolin 411 Tyrella Avenue Mountain View, CA 94043 P.S. Please feel free to forward this message to others if you'd like. Spread the word and hopefully we can see an end to breast cancer in our lifetime! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: HF.EXD(Erin.Dolin) ID ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:27:08 -0500 (EST) ID ; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:27:04 -0500 (EST) via MS.5.6.unix3.sun4_40; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:27:04 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Sorry for junk mail All, I've been writing a email processing program, unfortunately I had an option turned on that I thought was off, resulting in auto-replies going out to people who've sent me email. This mail would have 'TRFlames auto-reply' in the Subject: field. If you received any of this 'junk mail' sorry.....I you haven't received any of the above sorry for THIS junk mail..... is it Friday yet? -- Kevin Olalde Transarc Customer Support Hotline: (412) 281-5852 Fax: (412) 338-6970 DCE Help: dce-help@transarc.com Encina Help: encina-help@transarc.com Transarc URL: http://www.transarc.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:51:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My New Screen I just installed my new Rifle 4+ inch screen. All I can say is WOW. Thanks to everyone (Timmacy) for the help and advice. It was far easier than I thought. Dropping the sideview mirror bolt into the bdywork (twice) was the only problem. I got it with the clear shield and I think it was a good choice. Even though I don't ride that often at night it still happens every once and a while. And since I am looking through the screen it makes sense. There is no distortion what so ever in the screen. I thought it would take some getting used to but it has been an easy change. Very comfortible. Now the most important part! It is SO VERY QUIET. I can not believe it. I demo-ed a 94 Wing before I got the PC and it is just as quiet. I mean no wind bufetting, no wind noise arroung my helmet. I wear a full face helmet (all the time) and I am able to keep the shield up even on the highway. No stay wind hits my face. I just can't say enough as to how satisfied I am. Now the short complaints. The only thing that I don't like it the way the screen meets the base if you are looking at it from the seat. Not very custom. But that is it. If you are thinking about the Rifle definately do it. I will probably get a short/cut down screen for the summer if it gets to hot. But we'll see. As to leathers or not? Like many have said, the skin wears away FAST. Quality gloves and outerware are something I would never ride without! But the Dakar jaket I wear now will have to be replaced by an Aerostich (if I have the $). Chris id TAA14379; Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:19:45 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:19:45 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Relief !!! Cc: jstonge@peganet.com That sinking feeling of SILENCE when I turned the key turned out to be no more that corrosion on the battery terminals/connectors. Battery Tender told me the battery was charged so I cleaned everything up (...fun removing the PC battery isn't it ???), reattached and it cranks over just fine. It hasn't really run yet, but it hints at trying, and as soon as the gas makes it way into the cylinders we should be fine. If it doesn't start pretty soon, I'll pull a plug and give it a little DIRECT gas. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:41:26 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Tires/Headlights I had the same headlight aiming problem. I'm not too heavy, and the bike had K177's on it when I bought it (and when I re-soled it). I had to crank the headlight down as far is it could go. It was still on the verge of being aimed too high.!!! I never thought of tires as a possible solution. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:08:15 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Headlight Aiming How do you know how to aim the headlight? Can you do it yourself? Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Cc: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu, Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: what if I can't get to the web??? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 04 Apr 1996 23:33:14 -0600 Lines: 15 >>>>> "TZ" == Todd Zedak writes: TZ> Hi Barbara, I am posting this to all because it seemed that it might TZ> apply to others. >> I am being the devil's advocate on this one but what if an owner has >> only access to e mail in a company but not access to internet to get to >> the archives or visit the web pages. Just inquiring . You can have the archives sent to you via email. The info on how to do this is sent to you when you subscribe to the mailing list, although it's pretty opaque and I need to update it to include info on the searchable archives. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 02:33:34 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? Hi, Rick! Had to put my $.02 on the riding jackets. The only time I Bagged a Bike was when I was 15--I had a MoPed that I had modified & I dumped it on a gravelly corner @ 45mph. Ever since then I've worn protection. Covers the scars really well....! After wearing leather for years, I went to a Motoport Canyon jacket about 4 years ago. It's black cordura with built-in shoulder & elbow protectors. It also has a skid plate all the way down the back. It's got zippered vents for warm days and also has a removable liner for cold days...like you see a lot of those! I find it comfortable up to about 85-90 degrees if I'm moving. It can get hot around the city, tho, 'cause it's black and sitting at lights can really soak up the heat. I've ridden without it, but it just don't feel right. Kinda like not wearing a seat belt after you've gotten used to one. OBTW, how was the skiing in Utah? Ride Your Own Ride, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:07:50 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 00:22:59 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: electrical problems mmm...I'm having weird battery things...every now and then, it's just dead...noone can find a short...got a brand new one two weeks ago...ran fine..then..one evening, nothing...seems to take a charge over night...any ideas? I still havent' had the change to get the carbs re adjusted..still only getting 35 mpg. very 'throaty' sound when I throttle up...but the power improvement and suspension changes are great...can't wait for the Corbin seat... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: Engine mods, suspension mods? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 07:59:27 -0500 Are there any engine/carb/ignition mods worth considering for the PC800? = A few messages seem to have hinted at some possibilities but have yet = to see a specific reference. Re. Works Performance suspension kits, any down-side to the rear shocks = (like not able to adjust for two vs. one rider) or to the front spring = kit? Any advice before attempting the front spring swap? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:45:09 -0500 To: tbrking@twobros.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Streering Head Bearings >ball bearings in the steering head being >superior to any tapered replacement bearings. I'll have to bounce this one around in my gray matter for a while before I swallow it. There certainly is more surface area in a taper bearing, but I don't know about tons more friction. The reason for using tapers instead of rollers is the type of loads encountered in the steering stem, not the amounts of friction. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:45:15 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Darien jacket & pants? O.K. You have convinced me that I should always wear protection, even when I am with my wife ;-) Does anyone have any experiance with the Darien stuff? Would it be cooler than the one piece? Thanks for all the replies on leathers!!! Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:45:14 -0500 To: stongew@norwich.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Relief !!! > I'll pull a plug and give it a little DIRECT gas. Just a quick tip Use WD-40 instead to start motors. Cheap and won't spill onto your machine and cause you to call 911 or the local parts man :-) Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:45:13 -0600 (CST) Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:47:48 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: flat tire Hi Group, Well it finally happened. After 20 years and over 200,000 miles of motorcycling I experienced a flat tire yesterday. Going about 55 down a country road the bike begin to fill somewhat squirrely but very much in control. I pulled over at the earliest possible safe place and sure enough the rear tire had NO air in it. The ML2 was not totally flat even with no air. About 2 tenths mile down the road I spotted a country store and rode the bike down slowly. No problem. I used the store's air supply to put air in the tire and found the hole. (No nail, just hole). I plugged the hole with a tire plug I keep on the bike, filled it with air and rode it home. The question is this. This rear ML2 only has about 1000 miles on it. What experiences, opinions etc. do group members have concerning using a patch on the inside to allow me to continue using the tire. The plug does not leak and I though if I put a patch on the inside and also leave the plug in I most likely would not have a problem. What do ya,ll (excuse me - you all) think? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 09:33:43 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Spring! (and springs) Greetings fellow PC'ers. Well, it seems that spring is about to burst over here. The first sign was the first vehicle going through the ice (crossing the ice bridge over the river :-) I have also seen several bikes out and about, a couple of beemers, several hogs and one very bright yellow V-Max. My driveway is still a mass of ice, so I won't be pulling the PC out for a while yet, Besides, I still haven't finished re-locating the airhorns to make room for the speakers :-( Since I had the time, I was perousing a "Parts Unlimited" catalog that a dealer friend of mine lent me. First thing I do is to look for any new parts or accessories being offered for the PC (naturaly) and came across the following: Koni is now offering a set of shocks for the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound 18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch). I couldn't find air filters :-( and still the only tires in the right (stock) sizes are Dunlop K177's and Metzle ML2's. I send updates if I find anything else. Does anyone out there have any thoughts/experience with the BMW flat-tire repair kit? I would appreciate any advice on this. "On the road again..." Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:48:03 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: flat tire I have run several tires with plugged holes down to the canvas, both the fancy mushroom ones they do in the shop, and the baby road kits -- I think once, a road plug failed and got replaced with a mushroom. But it's very much a matter of a personal risk management decision; one of my riding buddies -- Beemer driver with that tiny, beautiful Beemer plug and inflation kit -- will only drive home or to the dealer with a plugged tire (needless to say he doesn't ever see canvas either.) -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Waldo E. Meeks'" Subject: RE: flat tire Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:31:29 -0800 Blowing a rear is not as bad (not even close) as blowing the front. What I've doing and what I've read says you should replace the tire. A motorcycle needs both tires to function so there's no backup. $150 for a tire is cheaper than PC800 parts after a low-side slide right? Plugs and patches should be considered temporary and the tire structure unreliable. "But the tire only has 1000 miles on it?". I know how you feel Same thing happened to me within 600 miles on a rear ML2. I had a large sheet metal screw firmly punture and stick itself into the tire. Amazingly I realized it immediately (what's that clicking sound?) and limped the one mile home. The screw was right on the contact patch and probably would have hurt me bad had I tried an agressive corner. Yuck. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:43:13 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: flat tire At 11:31 AM 4/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >Blowing a rear is not as bad (not even close) as blowing the front. I believe that "blowing" a tire is now a thing of the past, with the advent of tubeless tires. I do agree that a low front is worse than a low rear. >What I've doing and what I've read says you should replace the tire. A >motorcycle needs both tires to function so there's no backup.$150 for >a tire is cheaper than PC800 parts after a low-side slide right? Plugs >and patches should be considered temporary and the tire structure >unreliable. Does Metzler (or Dunlop) offer a "road hazard" warranty? It might help take the sting out of purchasing a new tire. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Tire Pressure Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:45:38 -0800 I think the explanation is really poor -- especially with the problem being on one side of the tire. Call Dunlop and see what they think. Maybe they'll approve a warranty replacement. Next I start looking for a tire/service shop that only does tires/service. They're in the business to make money with service and not by selling bikes. I visit Seattle Cycle Center which is all about tires, brakes, accessories, and service -- no bikes for sale there. You can call Adam the shop 206-524-0044 and explain what's up with your tires. He'll give you the straight talk. Oh yea, tell him Bryce Ulrich and Dave Gross say hi. He'll probably remember our PC800 bikes. BTW: IMHO Armor All makes for a slipper motorcycle tire especially when it gets wet out. Be careful if you use it not to get any on the tire tread. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 04, 1996 8:20 AM >To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Tire Pressure > >>Ijust spoke with someone at METZELER and they recommend ML2 tire pressure on >>the Pacific Coast to be Front-40-42 PSI and Rear- 45-46 PSI. >> >>Waldo > >Well I am trying to get Honda to replace the rotted tires on my PC and >the mechanic checked my rear tire and told me 40psi was to much >pressure >even for two up riding. Strange. >He also told me I had rode with low pressure before checking the >pressure! He claimed that was why the side walls were cracking! I >pointed >out that the cracking was occurring on the left side only. He then said > >that my use of Armor-All could cause it! I told him I just put it on >the >day before for the very first time. Does anyone else think this guy is: >A) an idiot >B) thinks I am an idiot >C) a crook >I really could not believe the treatment I got from these people. He >wanted to know first thing if I had purchased the bike from them. I buy > >tons of stuff from them and have for years, but in fact I had purchased > >this bike from an individual. I could tell that co-operation was going >to >get thin after asking if I had purchased the bike their. >I could go on but I will wait and see if I get any satisfaction from >these people. Then I will let everyone know how they helped or hindered > >me. > > > >Sincere thanks >Dentman711@AOL.COM > >******************************************************************** > > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" >;-) > > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) > >HSTA # 6578 >AMA # None yet > >$$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >******************************************************************** > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" Subject: RE: electrical problems Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:59:55 -0800 Hi Dave (and others!), My mileage is a little better (40mpg) since the carb modifications but I think things are still too rich. The temp gauge is reading low as well which gives further evidence of being too rich. Power is awesome though \"/ . I'll probably get working on this with the shop next week. Need to have the bike perfect before riding down to Yosemite in May for WeSTAR. As for the battery make sure the terminals and contact points are good and clean. If connections are poor it may take a full-charge to get through the crap and power the bike. If the battery power falls a little low then nothing works because it can't get through the corrosion. Check the fuse contact points as well (under the driver seat). Use electrical contact cleaner and/or a pencil erasure to clean contact points. I'm available most evenings after 7pm. Give me a call and we'll set an evening up to go over everything. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dave Gross[SMTP:dkgross@halcyon.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 04, 1996 4:22 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: electrical problems > >mmm...I'm having weird battery things...every now and then, it's just >dead...noone can find a short...got a brand new one two weeks ago...ran > >fine..then..one evening, nothing...seems to take a charge over >night...any >ideas? > >I still havent' had the change to get the carbs re adjusted..still only >getting >35 mpg. very 'throaty' sound when I throttle up...but the power >improvement and suspension changes are great...can't wait for the >Corbin >seat... > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800 Forum'" , "'Paul Browne'" Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:10:52 -0800 >---------- >From: Paul Browne[SMTP:pbrowne@idsonline.com] >Sent: Friday, April 05, 1996 4:59 AM >To: 'PC800 Forum' >Subject: Engine mods, suspension mods? > >Are there any engine/carb/ignition mods worth considering for the >PC800? A few messages seem to have hinted at some possibilities but >have yet to see a specific reference. Dave Gross, Corey, and I have had some rejetting done recently. Boosted acceleration power quite a bit. I don't think we're done with the fine tuning yet. >Re. Works Performance suspension kits, any down-side to the rear shocks >(like not able to adjust for two vs. one rider) or to the front spring >kit? Any advice before attempting the front spring swap? IMHO: The Works Performance shock, without adjustment, may impact the ability the bike has to carry a load or a passenger. You order based on the weight you expect to be carrying. If you stray from that amount you could have a ride that is too spongy or too hard. >Note that Juan just posted "Koni is now offering a set of shocks for >the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four >position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound 18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch)." Something new to >consider especially since it has adjustment capability. As for the front forks I don't think anyone has ever written on this list a bad thing about installing Progessive fork springs. My own experiences and what I can remember from others post indicate it's an upgrade worth doing. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 17:14:37 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: flat tire I had a similar situation with my '87CBR1000F and a new ME55 Metronic rear tire. But it didn't go flat, I found low psi in my garage. Had a 1" remains of a 3" finishing nail, in head first. My dealer took the tire off, put a real patch on the inside (a plug with a big hat). I ran it for another 11k miles until it wore out with no problems. I forgot about it. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Waldo E. Meeks Sent: Friday, April 05, 1996 5:45 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: flat tire Hi Group, Well it finally happened. After 20 years and over 200,000 miles of motorcycling I experienced a flat tire yesterday. Going about 55 down a country road the bike begin to fill somewhat squirrely but very much in control. I pulled over at the earliest possible safe place and sure enough the rear tire had NO air in it. The ML2 was not totally flat even with no air. About 2 tenths mile down the road I spotted a country store and rode the bike down slowly. No problem. I used the store's air supply to put air in the tire and found the hole. (No nail, just hole). I plugged the hole with a tire plug I keep on the bike, filled it with air and rode it home. The question is this. This rear ML2 only has about 1000 miles on it. What experiences, opinions etc. do group members have concerning using a patch on the inside to allow me to continue using the tire. The plug does not leak and I though if I put a patch on the inside and also leave the plug in I most likely would not have a problem. What do ya,ll (excuse me - you all) think? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 17:18:00 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Juan A. Goula" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Spring! (and springs) Fortunately no experience but I keep one (BMW kit) in the trunk. Cheap insurance. What was Waldo carrying? ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Juan A. Goula Sent: Friday, April 05, 1996 6:33 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Spring! (and springs) Greetings fellow PC'ers. Well, it seems that spring is about to burst over here. The first sign was the first vehicle going through the ice (crossing the ice bridge over the river :-) I have also seen several bikes out and about, a couple of beemers, several hogs and one very bright yellow V-Max. My driveway is still a mass of ice, so I won't be pulling the PC out for a while yet, Besides, I still haven't finished re-locating the airhorns to make room for the speakers :-( Since I had the time, I was perousing a "Parts Unlimited" catalog that a dealer friend of mine lent me. First thing I do is to look for any new parts or accessories being offered for the PC (naturaly) and came across the following: Koni is now offering a set of shocks for the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound 18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch). I couldn't find air filters :-( and still the only tires in the right (stock) sizes are Dunlop K177's and Metzle ML2's. I send updates if I find anything else. Does anyone out there have any thoughts/experience with the BMW flat-tire repair kit? I would appreciate any advice on this. "On the road again..." Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'JeffHamltn@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Headlight Aiming Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:49:52 -0800 I took my bike out to a dark parking lot armed with a screwdriver and flashlight. I aimed the light to my preference through trial and error. I concur with others that I had to lower the light a great deal with the Metzler tires. Also changed the bulb to 80/100watts. Improved lighting especially in the rain and when on high beam. Haven't been flashed by anyone yet for being too bright so it's a keeper in my book. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:44:09 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Backrests and TALL clothing I'm looking for info on any driver backrests (w/o buying a Corbin seat). Also, at 6'5" I need some ideas as to where to find size L-tall stuff. I did get a custom measured Bates leather jacket some 20 years ago but I've finally out grown it (you can only suck a gut so long). Any tall PC'ers know where to get a nice two piece riding (not rain) suit ? Thanks! -Dave ############################################################################ # Looking for a Dave Steven # # Ferrari Mondial 52 Payn Avenue # # 3.2 Cabriolet Chatham, NY 12037-1427 # # Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 # # # # Today's weather in the Northeast: We will just miss the snow storm; phew.# ############################################################################ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Headlight Aiming From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Apr 1996 00:30:59 -0600 Lines: 13 >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: BU> Also changed the bulb to 80/100watts. Improved lighting especially in BU> the rain and when on high beam. Haven't been flashed by anyone yet for BU> being too bright so it's a keeper in my book. Please do a good stint with the high beam on and let us know if you see any melting or discoloration of the lamp housing. I've been wanting to do a bulb swap but I'm concerned about melting things. Also, are you running through a relay, or just using the switch? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:31:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Leathers or not ? Dressing for a crash is not the only reason to wear proper riding gear; it's not even the best reason. Comfort and protection from the elements are the best reasons. Most of us don't crash (or don't crash often), but all of us are exposed to the elements on every ride. I never ride without all skin covered, because that's the best way to avoid injury from the wind (hypothermia and dehydration), sun (heat and skin cancer), and flying objects. On the comfort side, It has been demonstrated many times that long sleeves and long pants are cooler than short sleeves and pants when riding in the sun. Summer in the south is not the most comfortable time to be riding. In fact, I tend to put my bikes up in the summer. Heat and humidity at the same time are tough to beat, and full leathers or an Aerostich suit don't pass enough air to allow the body to cool itself properly. The coolest setup for summer riding I've tried is the old M.A. Brown summer suit. It provided full coverage, good ventilation, and some padding in the most vulnerable areas. Unfortunately, it didn't sell very well, and they stopped making them several years ago. In dry climates (i.e. the desert southwest), the "hot setup" is wetting yourself down thoroughly and then putting your rainsuit on to control the rate of evaporation. This, of course, won't work where the relative humidity is high. For my money, the best setup available now for riding in hot weather are Ultra II suits available from Motoport. They are made of 1000 denier cordura (offering better protection than Aerostich which uses 500 denier), have a high-tech body armor system built in (the Aerostich has some padding that is better than nothing, but . . . ), and they flow lots of air to keep you cool (again, better than the Aerostich). For cool/wet weather they have an optional liner made with Gortex and Thermalite. They aren't cheap, but if you ride a lot in the summer and are interested in both comfort and crash protection, they do the job better than anything I've seen to date. The May issue of Rider magazine has a test report. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:31:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Pressure Hi Mark: In a message dated 96-04-03 21:13:15 EST, you write: >Is this in reference to OEM tires, or the recommended replacement? I >haven't ever bothered to look at what rubber I was running, just been going >by the factory specs..... >-- The owner's manual/placard tire pressures are for the OEM tires only. If you change from OEM tires, then you should use the tire manufacturers pressure specs for your tire/bike combination. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 02:31:18 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My New Screen Hi Chris: In a message dated 96-04-04 18:53:30 EST, you write: > I wear a full face helmet >(all the time) and I am able to keep the shield up even on the highway. No >stay wind hits my face. I just can't say enough as to how satisfied I am. > Even though you can keep it open without any wind in the face, it's not a good idea to do so. I've got a tall shield that gives great wind protection like you describe, but I still took a bird strike square in the faceshield one day. And I've talked with others who have had the same experience. A windshield simply doesn't cut it as eye and face protection, and neither do sun glasses. Keep the shield down where it can do you some good. Take care, JT for ; Sat, 6 Apr 1996 07:04:51 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 06:59:08 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: flat tire I picked up a nail after about 500 miles on my rear tire. Took it one place and they said they would only replace it, not plug it. As I was almost 150 miles from home, I was going to have them do it, but they didn't have the correct tire. So I went to another place and they plugged it from the inside. I now have over 2,000 miles on the tire and haven't had any problems - knock wood :> My nail was smack dab in the center of the tire in the middle of a tread. Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > Well it finally happened. After 20 years and over 200,000 miles > of motorcycling I experienced a flat tire yesterday. Going about > 55 down a country road the bike begin to fill somewhat squirrely > but very much in control. I pulled over at the earliest possible > safe place and sure enough the rear tire had NO air in it. The > ML2 was not totally flat even with no air. About 2 tenths mile > down the road I spotted a country store and rode the bike down > slowly. No problem. I used the store's air supply to put air in > the tire and found the hole. (No nail, just hole). I plugged the > hole with a tire plug I keep on the bike, filled it with air and > rode it home. > > The question is this. This rear ML2 only has about 1000 miles on > it. What experiences, opinions etc. do group members have > concerning using a patch on the inside to allow me to continue > using the tire. The plug does not leak and I though if I put a > patch on the inside and also leave the plug in I most likely > would not have a problem.-- Peace, Mark lucas.m@nmaa.com http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm HSTA# 6458RG DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 Ride to live - '95 Honda Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:19:41 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Leathers or? I just got the latest issue of RIder. They have a review of Motoport's Ultra ll. I think anyone looking for a cooler substitute for leather in the summer should check it out. T was an Aerostich fan, but now I don't know. The jaket has incredible padding while is supposed to be Very cool. Does anyone have one of these or one of their products? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:38:51 -0500 To: Timmacy@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My New Screen Even in the winds of Wyoming I really have no bufetting. Once durring a stong 45-50 mph cross wind I gave up and went home. But I think that would be true for any bike. I never thought I could look through a screen either. But the way it work I look through the top of the screen with no edge distraction. If I need to, due to rain, all I need to do is sit up very staight (but not uncomfortable) and I can see over the top. BTW I am 5'11". And as far as quiet? Oh boy, it is VERY quiet. I had a cheap pair of ear bud and a walkman. Even on the highway with my face shield up I could hear the sound very well and the volume was not on high (not good for the ears). If I can get a cool summer jaket like the Motoport Ultra ll I will probably leave the screen as is. It is that nice. So far the screen seems to bend and not crack. I will see how true that is when I am back in the NYC are this summer. As you must know the roads there are known to swallow CRXs. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:23:34 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? >Dave Gross, Corey, and I have had some rejetting done recently. Boosted >acceleration power quite a bit. I don't think we're done with the fine >tuning yet. Does anyone know if the 1995 PC would benifit from this rejetting? Are the jets the same from 1989 till 1995? >>Note that Juan just posted "Koni is now offering a set of shocks for >>the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four >>position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound >18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch)." $313 per side? Or pair? I would bet a piece. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:23:38 -0500 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: flat tire >What do ya,ll (excuse me - you all) think? Waldo you should send that tire to me immediately! I will promptly destroy it in accordance with EPA rules and regulations which are as follows. Repair all expensive tires and install on your own motorcycle Ride with a big smile for many happy miles on free tires ;-) LOL I used to fix car tires and heavy truck tires ( the tires where heavy not the trucks). Dunlop would patch even side wall GASHES! However, I worked for Fired me Stone and we did not. Dunlop probably had alot more real expensive tires than we did and that could have been their motovation. I am like many of the others on the list, if I don't die today I can make more money tomorrow. I have some cracks on the side walls of my 1995 PC and I have no intention of riding it this year with those tires. But some of that is because I don't think a new bike should have rotted tires. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Engine mods, suspension mods? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Apr 1996 15:05:50 -0500 Lines: 19 >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> Does anyone know if the 1995 PC would benifit from this rejetting? Are D> the jets the same from 1989 till 1995? The jets changed in 1990; both cylinders are now identical. It's not a big change. >>> Note that Juan just posted "Koni is now offering a set of shocks for >>> the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four >>> position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound >> 18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch)." D> $313 per side? Or pair? I would bet a piece. The wording would seem to indicate $313 for the pair. If so that's pretty cheap. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 16:52:44 From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) To: tibbs@uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Engine mods, suspension mods? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cheap? Isn't that comparable to the Works price? About $300/pr? >The wording would seem to indicate $313 for the pair. If so that's pretty >cheap. > > - J< >-- ###################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ###################################################### ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 15:10:28 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@azstarnet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: PC 800 to ST1100 To my PC 800 friends- Sad news, in a way. I yesterday bought a new ST1100. No more Pacific Coast! I'm still not sure I did the right thing, but I must admit to some excitement. The new bike is really magnificent; very smooth, powerful, elegant. A PC on steroids, perhaps, or a PC with an attitude. Or as it is described in Rider, a "Gentleman's Express"! [An aside, I guess, but it's been of interest to me how people react to the new bike. My wife was a bit cautious, but very encouraging and supportive. "Do it, do it; you only live once!", followed by "How safe is it?". Wait till I tell her that the speedometer figure at the 12 o'clock position is 105 mph; all the way around is 155. Several friends were just plain happy for me. "Fantastic; good for you. Enjoy!" My mother, when I said I have a new motorcycle, said immediately, "What's wrong with the old one?" Shades of the Puritan ethic! Am I the only person who has a Protestant Jewish mother? : -) ] I just got back from the trip to Mexico that I wrote about. Thanks to many of you who commented on it. And I'm planning a 12,000 mile jaunt around the country this summer. So I thought about a new PC, but when I read about the ST in Rider this month, and got to thinking about it, it seemed like a good move. So far, I think it's terrific, but I have all of 40 miles on it. The one thing I'm not happy about is the amount of wind in my face and chest, so I'm checking out the Rifle shield, and might go with a Saeng edge, which seems to make at least some difference on my PC. Apparently I got a good price, too. About 15% off list. I'll stick with the PC 800 bulletin board, just because it's so much fun to read about all of the adventures. But I have added a very impressive ST1100 web page and bulletin board. I'm now getting about 40 messages a day! This means, of course, that I will sell the PC. Any thoughts on price to ask, how to advertise, etc., would be appreciated. It is an '89; 67K miles, mostly gentle touring, Rifle shield, Saeng edge, bag liners, magnetic tank bag (I epoxied (sp?) ceramic magnets under the plastic tank cover to match the position of the magnets in the bag; works fine), tail pack, some blemishes in the finish, but all in all I think in excellent shape. Front tire has 2500 miles, rear probably 5,000. Progressive springs in the front forks, cover, cruise control, new grips, oil and filter changed every 2500 to 3000 miles, mostly stored under cover, even itty-bitty carpets in the bottom of each cargo case. I'm thinking of asking $2,995. How does that sound? Are there any bulletin boards on the net that list bikes for sale? Warm regards- Ed Johnson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Apr 96 17:20:07 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List , Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Aiming For what it's worth: I've been running a 55/100 bulb in the headlight for years now. I ride w/ the high beam on all the time except at dusk and at night (in traffic). The 100 watt has never caused any discoloration or distortion at all inside the stock PC headlight. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot  ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 17:37:26 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "pc800" Subject: get 9604 get pc800 pc800.9604 end ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:12:53 -0500 To: edjohns@azstarnet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800 to ST1100 Well Ed, At least your riding. For those interested in Ed's "old" ride, he lives in Tuscon, AZ. His number is 520-299-2561. Good Luck Ed and I llok forward to reading about more of your adventures. Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Engine mods, suspension mods? From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 06 Apr 1996 20:17:36 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "RP" == Roger Prince writes: RP> Cheap? Isn't that comparable to the Works price? About $300/pr? Actually Kent mentioned (it's in the archives) that he paid about $230 for the WP shocks but they're non-adjustable. I frankly don't see $300 as all that much to pay for a sizable improvement in suspension. (Assuming, of course, that the Koni shocks actually improve things. I can't see how they wouldn't.) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 04:17:53 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PCs for sale... Hi, PC800ers--Tim here. Just a general post to let people know what's for sale here in the Portland (OR) area that I've run across: 1989 PC800 15,000 Miles Metzler tires(look fairly new), Honda extended windshield, Corbin seat, tank bag. $3,995 (fairly firm) Clean bike... 1994 Honda PC800 15,000 Miles $5,800 (will "work" with it) Very good shape... 1995 Honda PC800 Demo Model I think they want $6,995 but don't hold me to that. I've got to verify the price and find out how many miles are on it. If you know of anyone who's interested in any of the above, drop me a private-post and I'll connect you with the right dealership. These are all dealership bikes. Ride your own ride, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com PS: 72 degrees today, 77 tomorrow. Hmmm, what AM I GOING TO DO? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:31:21 -0400 To: edjohns@azstarnet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800 to ST1100 >I'll stick with the PC 800 bulletin board I don't think so! We only allow REAL PC owners on our list. You will have to turn in your secret decoder ring and official He man woman haters badge. I bet you can never go back now that you have all that pulsing power between your legs. I look loningly at the ST often myself. However, I must first behave myself on the PC for a few years before I get something that powerful. I must confess a propensity to wheel stands and smokers. At 32 I can resist on the PC because I know the bike just doesn't have it in it. On an ST1100 I would have to try it atleast once. Well I am very happy for you and I know you'll enjoy the ST every bit as much as you did the PC. Be safe and ride like the wind Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:51:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New Guy I just signed up to this list mainly because I'm looking for information on a Pacific Coast from the people who own them. I've been thinking about buying one for a couple of years, and this spring the bug has bitten pretty hard. I am: Name: Mark Wendt Location: Appleton, Wisconsin Email: MarWendt@aol.com PC Model year (if you have one): None Yet Bought Used/New: Thinking seriously of buying new. Any information or suggestions based on your experience would be most helpful. Thanks in advance. - Mark Wendt ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sun, 07 Apr 96 14:53:36 +0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hi, everyone! Content-Id: <31_60_1_828903216> Hello, folks: I've only been a subscriber for a week, but I'm really impressed that such a relatively small group is so active and busy! Is 20 messages/day typical? Just to acquaint you all with one of the newest members, I have an '89 PC800 bought new for <$4,800 in summer of '91. I've put 22K miles on it since then, mostly in light touring while pursuing two hobbies: airshows and IndyCar races. The bike is pretty much stock, except for a tall Honda windscreen and Metzler tires, which I'm very happy with. (I've just bought, but not installed, my second set of Metzlers.) I love the PC, it's easily the best bike I've ever owned. I've solved one of the two problems I noticed within about two weeks of buying the bike with a cruise control. But the other one still bugs me after almost four years: highway pegs. I would kill for some nice, good-looking, comfortable pegs, preferably ones that would fold up when not in use. I checked this list's archives: the best option seems to be to remove the crash bar covers and use standard pegs. I thought of that a while ago, but I think the bike looks really ugly with part of its covering off like that. I'd like a more elegant solution. My best alternative idea has been to find a machinist to custom build something for me, but I haven't acted on this, because I've assumed that it would be very expensive. Does anyone have a solution already, or some ideas? Also, I'm toying with the idea of what would be my longest trip ever: Round trip from Columbia, Maryland to Tucson, Arizona, with stops in Cleveland (a weekend for the IndyCar race), Tempe, Arizona (a few days with family), then a few days in Tucson with family and friends, and on the way back, Santa Fe, NM (five days for a conference). Possibly a brief stop in St. Louis. A total of about 5000 miles in about four weeks, from end of June through the end of July. No camping, staying with friends and family most of the time with a few hotel/motel nights the rest of the time. Riding solo. I'm confident that the bike can handle it, I'm not so sure I can. What's riding in AZ and NM in July like? Any advice on looonnnngg tours? Suggestions for routes, hotels/motels, etc.? Based on some of the recent posts, it's obvious I should plan on carrying a tire repair kit. Any tips on fixing a flat in the middle of the desert (God fobid!)? It's great to find a bunch of other folks with the greatest bike in the world! (Screw the snobs and slobs on hogs!) --James Hyder Columbia, MD P.S. I saw a really nice two-tone *green* PC800 in Paris about 18 months ago. It zipped by quickly, but it looked like a stock paint scheme, not a custom job. Perhaps a European version. Also, I think the 1996 red is way to bright and obvious. The 1990 red is much nicer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Oil Change Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:13:18 -0700 Ok gang, I need some advise. I went to my Honda dealer and wanted to = buy some oil for an oil change and they said they wanted $4.50 a quart = for the HD30 Honda motor oil for our bikes. I also asked them for a oil = filter wrench to take off the old oil filter, they wanted $49 for the = wrench!!!! I couldn't believe it. So I waited and drove down to Walmart = and found the wrench for $3.25 but I couldn't find the motor oil. I = went to Auto Zone and asked the guy there about motorcycle oil and he = said to buy the Coastal Super ND Motor Oil, because it's non detergent( = and it's only 77 cents a quart). IS THIS RIGHT? They also had Coastal = HD30 but the guy said ND30. =20 What do you guys recommend? Should I buy the $4.50 a quart or is the = HD30 RIGHT? OR IS THE COASTAL HD30 RIGHT? I'll wait for your answer before I do the oil change. I don't want to = hurt my "baby" with the wrong oil. Thanks Gang!! Your fellow rider Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 15:13:58 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Joel Goldman Subject: New Member > > > Just signed up. > Info is as follows > > Name:Joel Goldman > Location:Toronto,Canada > Email:joel@interlog.com > PC:used 1989 (buying it tomorrow-anyone have a reason why I shouldn't? It has 32000 miles on it.) > Modifications:None that I know of. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:17:30 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: Hi, everyone! --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: PC800: Re: Hi, everyone! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-04-07 16:16:44 EDT From: Klass C To: jhyder@erols.com Ever go to Oshkosh? I go every year! Well almost every year. This year might be tough but if I can I will ride out there and camp. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 20:32:55 From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Hi, everyone! My knee-jerk reaction to the 1996 red/black was the same. Then I saw one in the bawdy red flesh. After looking at the Candy Apple Red of the 1990 for 158k and seeing how much trouble keeping the 1995 black clean and scratch-free is, I'll take the new brazen hussy. It's refreshingly different and beautiful. Too bad it's a $900 paint job. >--James Hyder > Columbia, MD > >P.S. I saw a really nice two-tone *green* PC800 in Paris about 18 months >ago. It zipped by quickly, but it looked like a stock paint scheme, not a >custom job. Perhaps a European version. Also, I think the 1996 red is > way >to bright and obvious. The 1990 red is much nicer. ###################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ###################################################### ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 20:34:18 From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Change My recommendation? Golden Spectro 10w40, Honda HP-4 10w40 or Mobil-1 15w50. Also genuine Honda oil filters. >I'll wait for your answer before I do the oil change. I don't want to = >hurt my "baby" with the wrong oil. ###################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ###################################################### ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JohnChen00@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:36:29 -0400 Subject: Interesting Free Offer........ --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Interesting Free Offer........ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-04-08 02:45:01 EDT From: JohnChen00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: announcement.service@r1.f62.n8669.z303.fidonet.org -----> NOTE: Please first read my note which appears below the "Request for more info Form." Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company. 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(Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately when you call. ) I think they are able to get back to prospective new members the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased their staff. I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above form to them, that is the way to get started! They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above. It has lists of all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that they sell. They then send you email that outlines how his club works and the list of free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what he sells; and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly, no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and answer all your questions. Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. Sincerely, John Chen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:30:06 -0400 To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Change In a message dated 96-04-07 15:13:12 EDT, smupony@infomagic.com (Alexander D. Gray) writes: >What do you guys recommend? Should I buy the $4.50 a quart or is the HD30 >RIGHT? OR IS THE COASTAL HD30 RIGHT? Don't go near the ND oil on a PC (or any modern motorcycle or car). Get a really high grade 20W-50 (unless you are in the mountains in the winter when I would go with 10W-40). If you want the best, get Mobil 1. Kent used to recommend it as the best of the synthetics and he works for a lab where such things are tested. I will go to Mobil 1 after about 6000 miles on my wife's bike. I use it now on mine. I hope this helps. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:30:07 -0400 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Leathers or? In a message dated 96-04-06 12:20:57 EDT, KlassC@aol.com writes: >I just got the latest issue of RIder. They have a review of Motoport's Ultra >ll. I think anyone looking for a cooler substitute for leather in the summer >should check it out. T was an Aerostich fan, but now I don't know. The >jaket has incredible padding while is supposed to be Very cool. Does anyone >have one of these or one of their products? I have the Motoport Ultra II Cordura one piece and my wife has the two piece. I like each one very much, though each have their strengths and weaknesses. If I had it to do over again, I would get the two piece. The one piece is very tight in the arms (by design -- it has stretch panels) and is not good to wear over street clothes to the office as a result. It is also a much tighter type of suit all over and is much harder to get into. I like the Motoport over the Aerostitch for two reasons: 1) it is made from a much heavier (and more abrasion resistant type of) Cordura which gives you greater safety (IMHO) and 2) Ultra Cordura allows air to pass right through it so it has better ventilation in the summer (the most important factor for me in this type of suit). On the down side, it is not waterproof (something that is inimical to ventilation as opposed to breathing; Goretex or no Goretex). Moreover, I would not recommend the Goretex liner from Motoport as it is also an insulator and it is both hot and bulky -- it's really only suitable for winter riding. I carry a rain suit to wear in the rain though I own the liner and do use it a bit in the wintertime. One final advantage of the Motoport; they are sold through dealers and you can try one on before you buy. Best of luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:57:09 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Hi, everyone! Hi James: In a message dated 96-04-07 14:56:48 EDT, you write: >I'm confident that the bike can handle it, I'm not so sure I can. What's >riding in AZ and NM in July like? Any advice on looonnnngg tours? >Suggestions for routes, hotels/motels, etc.? Based on some of the recent >posts, it's obvious I should plan on carrying a tire repair kit. Any tips >on fixing a flat in the middle of the desert (God fobid!)? I've made the trip from Tennessee to the left coast and back in August, and other than having to deal with the heat, it was a great ride. The PC is a great solo touring machine. The only problem is that it likes to cruise at illegal speeds; so, you have to be prepared for unexpected encounters with the local constabulary. The secret to riding in hot places is to stop often, keep well hydrated, and dress properly. In the latter regard, light colored clothing that can refelect the sun is best. Leave no skin exposed to the sun and wind. Wet your clothing at every stop, and (as crazy as it may sound) it helps to wear your rainsuit over your wet clothing. This controls the rate of evaporation and prolongs the cooling effect. Otherwise, you're dry in 5 minutes and back at the mercy of the hot wind. Traveling at night is also a good way to beat the heat if it gets really hot. As far as fixing flats is concerned, take along a tubeless-tire plug kit and some means to reinflate the tire. The plugs should be considered an emergency, temporary repair. Get to a dealer and have it replaced (or at least fixed "right") as soon as you can find one. (Note: all of the tire manufacturers warn against relying on plugged motorcycle tires, because of the tread flex they must endure. Car tires can be run safely on plugs, but with a bike tire, you're running the risk of sudden failure. That having been said, many people do run on plugged tires with no problems. I guess the decision must be based on how lucky you feel). Have a great ride. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Apr 96 11:51:17 EDT From: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU (Sidney S. Letter) Subject: So THAT's what you mean! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu It's snowing in the northeast, undoubtedly the consequence of my picking up my 94 PC800 (7,226 miles) on Saturday. The sixty mile trip from the dealer's was the most comfortable I've ever had on a motorcycle - and that in spite of the cool (upper 40-ish) weather and the fact that I am way out of condition, having, due to some health problems, ridden only 30 or 40 miles since the fall of 94. Upon arrival home, I still had plenty of endurance left to take my bride for an hour-long trial spin and picnic lunch. During that lunch, we enjoyed another motorcyclic first when a passing Harley rider waved. Actually intiated the wave. I mean he waved FIRST! It must have been the upraised trunk that convinced him he was in the presence of something awesome! My experience revealed and my wife's confirmed that the short, stock windscreen is, as so many others have said, not entirely adequate. Thanks to info gathered from the archives, I know what to do about that and will get my order off to Rifle in a day or three. Thank you all for the advice and information that have greatly enhanced the always wonderful experience of acquiring a new ride. Sid Letter Lebanon, NH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:19:29 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Ultra II suit in custom sizes/colors FYI: Motosport will custom make its Ultra II suit to your measurements for $99 extra. They sell direct as well. ($399 suit, $239 pants)If you're simply tall like me and its a case of lengthening sleeves, the charge is less. They will also make them in custom colors ($?) if you talk to the boss Wayne Boyer. If enough people are interested perhaps we can assemble a large order at a discount. I was thinking of a grey to keep summer's heat down and match the PC's lower panels. Maybe even get an embroidered logo on the pocket ? Any takers ? Email me ! -Dave ############################################################################ Looking for a Dave Steven Ferrari Mondial 52 Payn Avenue 3.2 Cabriolet Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 Today's weather in the Northeast: This morning brought another 2" of snow ! ############################################################################ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:19:26 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Backrest mfg. needs PC I spoke with Bob at ProTac in Iva, South Carolina. He makes removable backrests for lots of bikes, but not a PC cause he doesn't know of one nearby. I'll bet someone might get a free backrest in the deal if he or she could take their bike over there for a fitting. Iva is about 50 mi. from Greenville. (864) 348-3549 Anybody interested ? Dave Steven ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:57:18 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Oil Change If you already have a few thousand miles on your bike, go with good-quality synthetic oil. Otherwise, I'd go with Castrol of other high-quality dino oil. Avoid any of the teflon/PTFE additives. My $.02 - YMMV - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:13:00 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC Bags.. Hey there, fellow PCers! A friend of mine here in Portland has a pair of the PC trunk bags that Honda has in its accessories line. He wants $35 for them (+ shipping), which is a good deal--considering the fact that new ones from Honda cost almost $70. He sold his PC and got a GTS1000, so he doesn't need the bags any more. I can vouch for the effectiveness of these bags (along with others on this list); they fit beautifully and make loading & unloading on the road a snap. Much better than the ill-fitting gym bags we were using prior to buying the bags! If you're interested, please private-post me. I'll pass any messages on to Mike. He's on CompuServe, so he can get back to you himself. Thanks, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:23:11 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: PC sold at auction Just as a price point for those of you shopping for a used PC, an '89 w/ 6K mi sold at a wholesale dealer auction in PA last Thursday for $3500. No further info is available. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:23:24 -0400 To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Ultra II suit in custom sizes/colors >Looking for a >Ferrari Mondial >3.2 Cabriolet Me too! I couldn't afford one but I would like to see one :-) I asked Motoport for a catalog and they offered to sell me one for $5.00 Instead I asked for there special and close out flyer. Everyone should call for one of these flyers. Motoport's number is (800) 777-6499 Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:33:13 -0400 To: steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ultra II suit in custom sizes/colors Dave, I am definately interested. I am looking for just the jacket without the liner. I am an off the rack 44. I agree that the color should be chosen based on its ability to reflect heat. Does anyone have any ideas? I will be moving back to North New Jersey for good in about a month. I will be living right on the Hudson across from the City. I go up to Albany about 4-6 times a year. My father in Law has a house up there. I bet the riding is beautiful. I have ridden the back roads from Ny into MA and VT. Let me know if you have any success. Chris Klass 95 PC800 w/ 550 miles :-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:17:52 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? At 04:23 PM 4/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >>"Koni is now offering a set of shocks for >>the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four >>position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound >>18/25/33. > >Any guess at the amount of improvement over stock? No claims are given or implied. The catalog I saw them in is for the use of the dealer, so it is not very verbose. However, Koni makes very good shocks (IMHO) so there should be a noticeable improvement. I'm still trying to figure out what the designer that gave the different shocks to the PC what thinking at the time. (???) Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU CC: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 16:06:29 Subject: Re: So THAT's what you mean! From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Glad you enjoyed your trip Sidney. I was expecting your story to take a...... rather tawdry turn an any moment but.... alas Keep your fingers crossed for warmer weather. My 4+ Rifle screen took about 90 minutes to install. I was not rushing and was trying to be methodical. I'm 6'2" and the 4+ works out OK. If you're much taller than that, get the 6+ shield. If you're about 5'10", I might still get the 4+. Have you taught there long. My good friend, David Lashar is an alum. Class of '85. I plan to be riding through your neck of the woods in late August. I'm riding from Chicago to Maine (wedding), then to Montreal-Toronto-Detroit-Chicago. Should be an interesting loop down the St. Lawrence. Anyone ever travel this way? Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:56:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Eastern Canada Todd, Three years ago I took my 83 4door Landcruiser across NY to Totonto to Victoria Harbour to Parry Sound to Sudbury to Sault Ste. Marie and then to Oshkosh for the fly in. Canada was beautiful. Lots of camping. Lots of bugs, and some rain. It was late July through August. As I remeber it, it was very un-populated. Miles and miles of single lane hwy with dense forests on both sides with some tundra looking planes mixed in. The state camp grounds had some of the friendliest workers I have ever met. However, it seems that durring the summer the Canadians take advantage of their parks. We had to call ahead a couple of times because of no vacancies. Also I was told my quite a few people while I was there that in Canada mast of the unihabited land is called Crown Land. That means that you can just walk in and camp (rough it) just about anywhere. If you chose to go through Sault Ste Marie and go down 75 and then head west on 2 you will find some of the most beautiful roads that run right along Lake Michigan. We stopped to swim and it was incredible. Hope I have been of some help. If you need more info let me know. I think I still have the State Park maps for that area in Canada. Chris id TAA08655; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:07:42 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:07:42 -0400 To: wingS@onramp.armchair.mb.ca From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Backoff & Camping Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com Does anyone have any experience with the "Backoff" brake light signal module from Signal Dynamics in Ft. Lauderdale FL? The $35 price tag is easier to swallow than the fancier Kriss prices. It's time for me to get serious and reserve a campsite for the Retread rally in Pigeon Forge TN June 10-14. I have a camping guide and a Pigeon Forge brochure, but would be interested in any personal experiences and favorite campground information. Thanks. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:23:55 -0400 To: KlassC@aol.com, steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ultra II suit in custom sizes/colors In a message dated 96-04-08 16:35:27 EDT, KlassC@aol.com writes: >I am definately interested. I am looking for just the jacket without the >liner. I am an off the rack 44. I agree that the color should be chosen I am located in Wilmington DE. If you get down this way, I'll let you try my large one piece for size. I'm an off the rack 43 so it should fit you as well (in fact, they said I was on the cusp of a medium or a large -- no way, I am a large in the one piece)... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:23:55 -0400 To: Dentman711@aol.com, steven@capital.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Ultra II suit in custom sizes/colors In a message dated 96-04-08 16:25:26 EDT, Dentman711@aol.com writes: >I asked Motoport for a catalog and they offered to sell me one for $5.00 >Instead I asked for there special and close out flyer. Wow, you don't rate. They sent me one for free (last year) and it only had a cover price of $1.00 on it. It is one heck of a nice catalog, however. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'smupony@infomagic.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:30:09 -0700 Oil is going to cost you money, especially if you want to use what most of us will recommend and swear by. I ran Honda HP-4 since I got the bike and recently switched to Golden Specto. Shifing improved dramatically (smooth, easy) but the price was higher -- $6/qt. I'm looking to buy bulk next time and save some money. As for the filter wrench, the only one I could find that really fit and worked was sold through NAPA. It's their smallest band-style wrench. It takes some finesse to work in the narrow space there is under the bike but be patient and you can inch the filter out. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com[SMTP:RPrincePC8@gnn.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 07, 1996 1:34 PM >To: smupony@infomagic.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Oil Change > >My recommendation? Golden Spectro 10w40, Honda HP-4 10w40 or Mobil-1 >15w50. >Also genuine Honda oil filters. > > >>I'll wait for your answer before I do the oil change. I don't want to = >>hurt my "baby" with the wrong oil. >###################################################### >*ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 >*HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 >*PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman >*FRANKLIN, MA >###################################################### > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:59:16 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: Oil Change At 05:30 PM 4/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >As for the filter wrench, the only one I could find that really fit and >worked was sold through NAPA. It's their smallest band-style wrench. >It takes some finesse to work in the narrow space there is under the >bike but be patient and you can inch the filter out. Hello there. I went delving into the archives (I still get a grin every time I realize how handy Jason's search engine is) and found the following: >>| JUAN - does this tool work on the honda spin-on oil filter specifically >>| - or is it a universal fit. the local dealer wants $20 for the cap that >>| is specific to the honda spin-on - the cap fits on a 3/8" ratchet. >>| >>| thanks for any info. >>| matthew > > >Mathew, I went to the NAPA shop today and found it. >It is part number: 3253 End Cap Oil Filter Wrench > >The package says it is for Toyotas and other japanese vehicles but it fits >perfectly, so the external dimensions of the oil filter are not proprietary >to Honda Motorcycles. >It is metal and uses a 3/8" ratchet wrench. Here they are asking 7.99 for >it, you might be able to get it cheaper down there. Good luck! > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:01:39 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Empty tank measurements Bike started coughing a couple blocks away from a gas station. It really seems to cut out one cylinder somewhat before totally dying, so you get a few blocks of feeble performance before none. Anyway, I could easily put 16.5l into it at that point. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:01:44 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Oil Change IMHO, the cost of the oil itself is pretty minimal. Think of how much it would cost to get the shop to change it for you- then you can justify buying even the most expensive oil, and still save money. For sure, in the fall I put cheap oil in for winter storage, and put new cheap oil in in the spring, under the theory that the oil has degraded over the winter even though it has no miles on it. I tend to use a cheap, store-brand oil and change it frequently -- every 5000 kms -- and the filter every other time, but (as you've seen from the traffic on the list) it's a religious issue. -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:19:12 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Sonic BOOM or bust? I just got my fresh copy of Cycle Comms catalog. In it they are selling an English made portable battery powered intercom SI-8000 $259.00. This comes with 2 headsets, intercom module, walkman input cable and a belt clip. I realize it can't be on par with the regular CC stuff but for $259 it sure is easier to swallow. I looked over all their options and the most cost effective seems to be the compact universal C.B./intercom/stereo interface CC-1525 for $419 plus the cc-2001 $139 each and $69 for a Honda antenna. TOTAL $766.00 The best scenario would be using the Sonic with CC's Liberator portable C.B.w/weather band CC-3500. However, CC makes it clear that the Sonic won't work with their stuff. What a pity. I could have an equivalent system to their CC-1525 plus CC-2001 for $458 a savings of $308 $308 would probably coax me into buying a system right away instead of pondering and pondering the options. Any thoughts on the Sonic versus the CC high dollar systems? Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:21:42 -0700 Well seeing how the only change to the carbs have been making the 2 main jets the same (one was smaller on the '89) then it's likely any model year could benefit. Keep in mind though that "benefit" is a subjective. Thus far Dave and I have seen a drop in MPG though acceleration and power are much improved. We're not done yet tweaking the thing but I'll report back as soon as I get off my butt and over to the mechanic. BTW: Who's knows a mail order place the carries KONI shocks? I've gone looking on the web and only find a bunch of Ford Mustang performance dealers. I have Chapparel and Dennis Kirk catalogs but don't recall seeing the brand listed there. I'm game to be the first guinea pig! -bryceu >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 06, 1996 11:23 AM >To: Bryce Ulrich; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? > >>Dave Gross, Corey, and I have had some rejetting done recently. Boosted >>acceleration power quite a bit. I don't think we're done with the fine >>tuning yet. > >Does anyone know if the 1995 PC would benifit from this rejetting? Are >the jets the same from 1989 till 1995? > >>>Note that Juan just posted "Koni is now offering a set of shocks for >>>the PC! Details: 7610 Series (7610P-1422) with -at least- a four >>>position preload adjustment on both. Springs are included and are wound >>18/25/33. Suggested retail: $313.95 (ouch)." > >$313 per side? Or pair? I would bet a piece. > > > >Sincere thanks >Dentman711@AOL.COM > >******************************************************************** > > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" >;-) > > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) > >HSTA # 6578 >AMA # None yet > >$$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >******************************************************************** > > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:43:26 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: 1989 PC 800 owner At 08:05 PM 3/28/96 EST, you wrote: >Hi; > > My name is Ken Simmons. Welcome Ken! >The only change to the bike is the rear seatpad. My wife wanted more to >hang on to and it makes it look less like a scooter. What is the exact nature of this mod? Could you elaborate? >My mother says it is a yuppie Ninja with middle age spread. Certainly a unike way of seeing it! ;-) > I really think it should have lasted more than 4,000 miles. Is this a >common problem with PC's???? I made it to my third battery before I >decided the batteries were costing as much as a regulator. You pay one >way or the other. Seems your charging system is out of whack. Have yo had a shop check it for you? Haven't heard of any other PC's much batteries like yours. Enjoy your ride. Maybe see you at STAR '96? Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:43:19 From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Empty tank measurements THAT'S 4.36 USgal. You must have filled the filler neck also. >Anyway, I could easily put 16.5l into it at that point. > >-- >Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca >Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ###################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ###################################################### ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:44:37 From: RPrincePC8@gnn.com (Roger Prince) To: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Oil Change In 1987 I bought a band wrench for my CBR1000F (same filter). I bought it at an auto parts store. It has K-D 192 stamped on it. I think it is actually a gas filter wrench but it fits perfectly and works great. Once the filter is loosened you can take it off by hand. It was about $10. I have a dislike for the end cap type wrench. >At 05:30 PM 4/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >>As for the filter wrench, the only one I could find that really fit and >>worked was sold through NAPA. It's their smallest band-style wrench. >>It takes some finesse to work in the narrow space there is under the >>bike but be patient and you can inch the filter out. ###################################################### *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ###################################################### ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:56:10 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: suspension mods? At 06:21 PM 4/8/96 -0700, you wrote: >Keep in mind though that "benefit" is a subjective. Thus far Dave and I >have seen a drop in MPG though acceleration and power are much improved. > We're not done yet tweaking the thing but I'll report back as soon as I >get off my butt and over to the mechanic. Ha! This jetting change that Cory also had performed on his bike is getting him worried about fuel range :-) He will be bringing along not one but two Sig fuel bottles on the ride through the Alcan. >BTW: Who's knows a mail order place the carries KONI shocks? I've gone >looking on the web and only find a bunch of Ford Mustang performance >dealers. I have Chapparel and Dennis Kirk catalogs but don't recall >seeing the brand listed there. I'm game to be the first guinea pig! > As far as I know, only dealers can order them (at least right now). Try asking your dealer to look at his "Parts Unlimited" catalog. That is where I found them. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:29:54 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Headlight Aiming >From: JeffHamltn@aol.com >How do you know how to aim the headlight? Can you do it yourself? Don't know if someone else has responded to this messge, but I do know that the actual headlight mechanics were already covered, so I'll give a try to the "aiming" part. a) Start with the bike facing your garage door or a convenient flat surface on which you can see the beam of your headlight. b) Roll your bike forward so that the tire touches the surface. Switch to high beam. c) Right at the center of the hot-spot on the wall, using chalk, masking tape or your favorite Crayola crayon have someone mark a "+" maybe 36" inches on each axis, while you are *on* the bike (and maybe stuff/people you _usually_ carry with you). d) Back up the bike 25 feet and inspect the aim. The hot-spot should still be dead center of the "+" (with you still on the bike) if not, adjust as necessary. e) Check the low beam. The hot-spot for the low beam should be in the lower right quadrant, about 4 inches down and to the right of dead center. This should be close enough so that you can do some fine tuning to suit your preferences. f) If the wall/door you marked is not your own, run like heck! :-) Later! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Back Lights Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:33:18 -0700 Ok guys, I found something out about our bikes completely by surprise. = Unfortunetely I took a spill on my bike and broke off the left mirror = assembly but when I got another one and put it back together again I = apparently crossed some wires in the plug. If you unplug the clip from = the dash to the assemblies you will see three wires, two yellow and one = green. The proper way is yellow green yellow but if you pull two out = and then put them in the order of yellow-yellow- green then the back = turning lights will always stay on and still blink when you want them = to. That means that you have all the lights on in the back, no one can = miss you then!! actually it looks pretty cool and much safer, the only = draw back is that on your dash you will see your turn signal lights on = very dim, but when you signal they light up very bright. It's up to you = guys weather you want to try it or not but it does work without making = anything else go haywire, I've been running that way for about 6 months. = I've heard a few of you talking about special rear driving lights and = the kits that you guys buy to do the same effect- maybe this is a "free" = way to get the same effect. Your fellow rider, Alexander D. Gray in Flagstaff, Arizona. P.S. Thanks for all the feedback on the oil change, I'm going to try the = Mobil 1 synthetic oil that most of you guys have written me about. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:05:39 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: English humor There is nothing funny about taking a digger on a bike. It is something no one wants to go through. I was searching motorcycle related web-sites and ran across the following site: http://www.ultranet.com/~acurtin/adam/bikes/rides.html#falls It had its serious parts but I really got a good belly laugh about the descriptions he included. If you aren't doing anything in particular and can access the web, take a look at this page and enjoy. English humor at its finest. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:35:32 -0400 To: Daniel.MacKay@dal.ca, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Change >IMHO, the cost of the oil itself is pretty minimal. Think of how much it >would cost to get the shop to change it for you- then you can justify >buying even the most expensive oil, and still save money That would be $50.00 per oil change here in the South. I have heard $80.00 but can't confirm that. Just remember that not changing the oil in the begining of the motors life will gaurantee it will not last. I work in the car bizz and just last week a customer had to have new overhead cams installed in her Mazda because she change the oil 3 times in 30,000 miles! She was so ignorant that she admitted it. Her extended warranty refused to pay for the repairs. I saw this many times on Toyotas. We all know someone who has a Toyota with 200,000 miles and swears they have never had the engine apart. They are telling the truth. Moral Change oil and filter at the factorys lowest recommended interval for longest life. That would be what about 2,000 - 3,000 for Hondas? Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:35:35 -0400 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Oil Change >As for the filter wrench, the only one I could find that really fit and >worked was sold through NAPA. It's their smallest band-style wrench. Shouldn't you use a solid round metal wrench with a 3/8" "socket" on the end ? Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:24:16 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Dutch PC800 activities Hi all, right now the season is starting again in Holland. This weekend there were two events organised by the Dutch PC800 club. Most of the time when I read about these activities I found out they happened a week ago. So I thought not this time. On Saturday we had a member meeting. Since it's been cold or freezing here most of the wintertime I had no opportunity to clean my PC without causing skating lanes. When it was warm lack of time :( It's amazing how many flies and other insects must be around, according to the number of them crashed into my windshield. To debug her, I usually use a used panty. When wet it really works great to remove all kinds of dirt without causing scratches. Since I ran out of panties (I don't wear them) I went to our local grocery store (buurtsuper :) It was quit funny, I asked the girl working there were I could find the panties. She gave me a strange look and asked me what size and color. I told her: size: biggest size available XXL, color: cheapest color available I did not dare ask her why she gave me a very strange look now. I just bought the panty and went off for the cleaning job. (I'm very happy my wife fits around three times in this panty :) The meeting was nice, there were around 12 PC's next to eachother in the narrow streets of Montfoort. Our club has about 200 members now, this is approx 20% of the total amount of PC's in Holland. Does any of you know of other big PC clubs around the world? This Sunday we had a nice trip between small lakes and rivers. 14 PC's turned up, a beautiful sight. BTW, nice meeting you, Bas. The trip was supposed to be 90 km. It turned out to be a lot more, due to the fact that reading one routeform by fourteen different people gives you fourteen different trips. But nice anyway. Regards, Hans. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:25:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Eastern Canada --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Eastern Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 96-04-08 18:56:07 EDT From: Klass C To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Todd, Three years ago I took my 83 4door Landcruiser across NY to Totonto to Victoria Harbour to Parry Sound to Sudbury to Sault Ste. Marie and then to Oshkosh for the fly in. Canada was beautiful. Lots of camping. Lots of bugs, and some rain. It was late July through August. As I remeber it, it was very un-populated. Miles and miles of single lane hwy with dense forests on both sides with some tundra looking planes mixed in. The state camp grounds had some of the friendliest workers I have ever met. However, it seems that durring the summer the Canadians take advantage of their parks. We had to call ahead a couple of times because of no vacancies. Also I was told my quite a few people while I was there that in Canada mast of the unihabited land is called Crown Land. That means that you can just walk in and camp (rough it) just about anywhere. If you chose to go through Sault Ste Marie and go down 75 and then head west on 2 you will find some of the most beautiful roads that run right along Lake Michigan. We stopped to swim and it was incredible. Hope I have been of some help. If you need more info let me know. I think I still have the State Park maps for that area in Canada. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:35:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: oil The recent discussions about oil change frequency has raised a couple of questions. What are the advantages (real and/or perceived) of synthetic oil? Can you switch to synthetic oil at any time in a motor's life? I got the impression that regular oil should be used for initial break-in of a new bike. True? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:46:54 -0400 To: CGreenwlt@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: oil Here's my take on the oil issue.... Synthetic oil has better lubricating properties than reg. oil. It also breaks down less when exposed to heat. It is also more expensive. The reason NOT to use a synthetic during break-in is inherent in the term "Break-IN". When an engine is new, you WANT some wear. Parts need to grind against each other for a bit so they fit together better. The extra slippery properties of synthetic prevent that from happening. However, after this initial period ( a few thousand miles), everything is now as snug as it's going to get. That's the reason to switch to synthetic, because you want to prevent any more wear. I think that if you change your oil every 3000 miles, it doesn't much matter what oil you use as long as it's of high quality. Changing the filter with each oil change is also important (IMHO). If you feel better about using a synthetic, you a certainly doing no harm and you are probably doing yourself some good. You are certainly not a fool if you don't use synthetic, BUT you are asking for trouble if you DON'T change your oil on a regular basis, using "GOOD" stuff. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:54:24 -0400 To: looman@eldevs.nl cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dutch PC800 activities Hans, Thanks so much for the updates you keep sending. I have dreamed for years of visiting your country. I seem to keep traveling to visit in-laws in Greece and the UK (with side trips to Italy and Ireland). This summer we are planning to go to the UK for a month (the in-laws again). I would love to get away and visit some knew places. I think you might be a bit far for this trip. But it is nice to dream. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:54:36 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: MotoPort Ultra ll I just spoke to Wayne at Motoport. He is faxing me a list of the dealers that carry their products, the article in Motorcyclist, and the benefits sheet on the Ultra ll. I asked him about the grey color and he said that it would not likely be possible? (Was I speaking to the wrong guy?) He said that the material comes in 1000 (yes 1k) yard bolts and a dozen jackets don't even come close. Anyhow, I told him that we wanted grey becuse many of us ride in hot, humid weather. He said that even if it was 120o we would not sweat while moving. While I consider myself an easy mark, I had my doubts and asked him to send me the Motorcycleist article. So, if its true, about the color choices, I will take blue. Maybe red for saftey. When I get the fax I will post any relevant info. If you have any questions for me just send them my way. I compulsively check my e-mail 4-7 times a day. Chris Klass 95 PC800 w/580 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:35:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dutch PC800 activities Greetings Hans: It is good that you are coming out of winter and are now able to ride. I'm curious about the panties you use to clean your PC. Of what fabric are they made: nylon, cotton, . . . ? I was on Holland only once on a motorcycle (we made one bus tour also). My wife and I rode from Ramstein, Germany (where we were stationed from October of 1976 through November of 1981) to Zandvoort for the Formula I Gran Prix in 1978. We stayed with a nice family in Haarlem. Other than the beauty of Holland, two things remain vivid in my mind about that trip: 1) How very nice the people were to us: When we got to Haarlem, all we had was an address of the house where we were to stay. Without a local map, we had no idea where to go. While stopped in a church parking lot to think of what to do next, a group of about 10 young fellows on mopeds stopped to look at our strange motorcycles (a '76 Gold Wing and an R75 BMW with full American touring fairings, etc). We spoke no Dutch, but the boys had enough English to get the idea that we were lost and that we wanted to go to an address in Haarlem. They motioned for us to follow them. They lead us to the home of one of the boys where they got directions from an older brother to the address we wanted. Then they lead us across town to the place where we were to stay. The sight of those two large, touring bikes amid a pack of mopeds was really something to see. Our Dutch hosts for the weekend were equally kind and helpful. It made us feel very welcome. 2) My first experience with splitting lanes since I left California in 1956: Coming out of Zandvoort after the race, all roads were, of course, one way leading away from the race circuit. The two-lane road to Haarlem was packed with cars, but they courteously remained to the outside of their respective lanes, leaving as much room as possible between the rows of cars for motorcycles to pass (I wish the car drivers in this country were that way--here they get angry and block your path). At first there was plenty of room, but as we got closer to town, the road narrowed a bit, forcing the cars to move inward. I soon found myself in a long stream of motorcycles running at 120 kph down a path about 1.5 meters wide. The only problem was that was that my Gold Wing was about 1 meter wide at the back due to the paniers and associated hardware. It was a bit frightening for a while; then it became simply exhilerating. Next time, however, I'll take a nice, narrow sport bike. Take care, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:27:43 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Jetting info Hello Bryce! Cory just called me from his "moonlighting" job here in town and asked if I could request any up to the minute updates on the jetting changes/performance on your bike. His is sitting at the shop right now ready to be put back together but before they do so the tech. wanted to know of any further adjustments to make. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Apr 96 14:55:18 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Snail-mail address for Bernie Kohler Forgive this posting, but I need Bernie Kohler of Overland Park, Kansas to send me his snail-mail address again. I sent material to him which was returned as not being deliverable. He was on either the HSTA or the PC800 list server, and I don't know which. Bernie...I'm waiting for another message from you with your snail-mail address! I'll mail your material ASAP! Thanks... ******************************************* DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director HSTA Member #0001 HRCA Member #700266 AMA Life Member # 180901 71430.340@Compuserve.Com "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ****************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Juan A. Goula'" Subject: RE: Jetting info Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:03:07 -0700 Yikes! Dave Gross and I haven't been back to the shop for any further tuning. In fact I was going to call today about bringing it in for work tomorrow. Nothing yet other than the mixture seems too rich. Our mechanic Tom Sill can be reached at Lake City Honda-Sea Doo-Kawasaki, 206-364-1372. I told him to expect a few inquiries from around the country so maybe he could offer Cory's shop some tweaking ideas. I'm going to call him right now about my bike and mention that he might be getting a call from Alaska shortly. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Juan A. Goula[SMTP:jgoula@ims.alaska.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 1996 11:27 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Jetting info > >Hello Bryce! Cory just called me from his "moonlighting" job here in >town >and asked if I could request any up to the minute updates on the >jetting >changes/performance on your bike. His is sitting at the shop right >now >ready to be put back together but before they do so the tech. wanted to >know >of any further adjustments to make. Any info would be appreciated. >Thanks! > >Juan >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Juan A. Goula >School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences >University of Alaska Fairbanks >AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG >1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Oil Change Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:04:35 -0700 >>>Shouldn't you use a solid round metal wrench with a 3/8" "socket" on the >end ? Those will work if you can find the right size. The PC800 filter is so small it's tough to find. When I went looking I also found this style or wrench to be more expensive than the band-style -bryceu > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:58:37 -0800 (AKDT) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PIAA driving lights (1200 Series) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu TK, Can you elaborate where you got them and how much you paid? From your decription it sounds like they would be perfect for the front "wings" on the Pacific Coast. Thanks for the info. Juan At 03:48 PM 4/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >I received the new lights today, what a marvel of packaging and quality! > These things are tiny (just larger than a Kiwi), but so well constructed >it is truly amazing. They are a composite which feels like aluminum. I >can hold one in my hand and almost make my thumb and middle finger touch, >and I have small hands. The wiring is double insulated and already >connected to the relay. Even the on-off switch is nice. No drilling >needed (Velcro) and it is a push on (illuminated), push off setup. A first >class setup, compared to the last set. It is like comparing an old >Motobecane to an ST1100. I cannot wait 'till it gets dark. >I really like the new 'Stich, too. Feels like body armor....cool. >Later, > >Transalp Kelly Bradley > >'89 TA, soon not to have a pair of SeaDoos (almost sold), still stuck with >the other yacht, a '73 Coupe DeVille (soon to be on the block) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Sonic BOOM or bust? Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:35:09 -0700 Hey I have a Sonic on my bike. It's a good little unit and easy to fix/modify. It's monoraul and very convenient as a portable intercomm. Headsets are good quality and can be adapted for more permanent mount in you helmet. Mark Reis (M-R Communications) is the fellow importing these units to the States and he sells to Cycle Comm. He's done all the custom interface work for me thus far and we'll be adding a radar detector override and a better antenna later this month. I have the Sonic mounted permanently in the left pocket with the knobs and jacks drilled throug the cover. It's been interfaced with a handheld Maxon CB and the headset jacks are positioned front/rear. CB mounts to a metal bracket on the left speaker cutout and is easy to add/remove. Push to talk switches are front and rear as well. Mark prides himself on making sure his work compliments the bike and has a clean look. I called Mark and asked about the CC Liberator setup you described. He says you can't really do it because the BIAS of the radio is so different. However he's working on interfacing some other super-small CB's systems. He's got a Cherokee radio now that's the size of a pak of cigarettes and is almost done tinkering with it. Mark can be reached at 206-335-1296. He's leaving this weekend for his 15th Wedding Anniversary though and won't be back till the 23rd. Tell him I sent you if you call. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 08, 1996 6:19 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu >Subject: Sonic BOOM or bust? > >I just got my fresh copy of Cycle Comms catalog. In it they are selling > >an English made portable battery powered intercom SI-8000 $259.00. This > >comes with 2 headsets, intercom module, walkman input cable and a belt >clip. > >I realize it can't be on par with the regular CC stuff but for $259 it >sure is easier to swallow. I looked over all their options and the most > >cost effective seems to be the compact universal C.B./intercom/stereo >interface CC-1525 for $419 plus the cc-2001 $139 each and $69 for a >Honda >antenna. TOTAL $766.00 > >The best scenario would be using the Sonic with CC's Liberator portable > >C.B.w/weather band CC-3500. However, CC makes it clear that the Sonic >won't work with their stuff. What a pity. I could have an equivalent >system to their CC-1525 plus CC-2001 for $458 a savings of $308 >$308 would probably coax me into buying a system right away instead of >pondering and pondering the options. > >Any thoughts on the Sonic versus the CC high dollar systems? > > >Sincere thanks >Dentman711@AOL.COM > >******************************************************************** > > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" >;-) > > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) > >HSTA # 6578 >AMA # None yet > >$$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >******************************************************************** > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 02:24:25 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "Bob Rufener" Subject: RE: English humor I was in my office and couldn't keep from laughing out loud. Especially when he was sliding on the road. Good find. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bob Rufener Sent: Saturday, April 06, 1996 9:05 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: English humor one wants to go through. I was searching motorcycle related web-sites and ran across the following site: http://www.ultranet.com/~acurtin/adam/bikes/rides.html#falls It had its serious parts but I really got a good belly laugh about the descriptions he included. If you aren't doing anything in particular and can access the web, take a look at this page and enjoy. English humor at its finest. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 02:37:29 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: MotoPort Ultra ll If you don't get some miles on that PC soon, I'm going to pass you. Currently at -200 and waiting for the snow that's coming down to go away. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of KlassC@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 1996 8:54 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: MotoPort Ultra ll Chris Klass 95 PC800 w/580 miles -- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:20:34 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Really Shines For a real shine on your bike try "Klean 'n Shine" by Johnson Wax. It is much better than "Lemon Pledge." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Apr 96 21:20:10 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: electrical problems Hi, Bryce. You wrote: >My mileage is a little better (40mpg) since the carb modifications but I >think things are still too rich. The temp gauge is reading low as well >which gives further evidence of being too rich. Power is awesome though >\"/ . I'll probably get working on this with the shop next week. Need >to have the bike perfect before riding down to Yosemite in May for >WeSTAR. I'm also planning to attend WeSTAR (if I can extricate myself from %&#*#$&& work!) and look forward to seeing you there. Maybe we can find an open stretch of road, do some "roll on" comparisons, and report back to the list. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Apr 96 21:19:50 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: Engine mods, suspension mods? Hi, Juan. You wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out what the designer that >gave the different shocks to the PC what thinking at the time. (???) Asymmetry is a key feature of classical Japanese design. My guess is that some rogue Zen Buddhist monk designed the PC's rear suspension (and exhaust system). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:03:08 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: Reformulated Gas I live in an area that requires the sale of reformulated gas. The version we have around here has 10% ethanol added. We don't (to my knowledge) have any fuel with MTBE in it nor methanol. Has anyone had any experiences (good or bad) with any of the reformulated fuels. I live near the border line and can easily get regular unleaded gas that is not reformulated. Any suggestions? Thanks for your thoughts. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 22:01:19 +0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sonic BOOM or bust? Content-Id: <20_70_1_829101679> Dentman711 You wrote: >I just got my fresh copy of Cycle Comms catalog. In it they are selling >an English made portable battery powered intercom SI-8000 $259.00. This >comes with 2 headsets, intercom module, walkman input cable and a belt >clip. If you're interested in intercom only (between driver and passenger) I just bought the HJC Chatterbox Tandem Intercom (816-014) and two tandem fullface headsets (816-015) for a total of $91.00. The speaker/mike sets fit easily in my Shoei RF-200s and the tiny electronics box is a little larger than a pillbox. It has a hi/lo volume switch, an audio input for radio/cassette/CD, and a mute switch to shut the audio input off. The electronics packet can clip onto the side of your helmet, or with a clip provided, on your belt. I only bought it a few days ago, so it hasn't had any real-world testing yet, but I'm impressed with the apparent quality and good design. The only problem I see at this point is that the helmet clip positions the box below the level of the helmet's bottom edge, so that if you set the helmet on a hard flat surface, the weight of the helmet will rest on the unit's bottom edge, which holds three switches: Power, battery check, and mute. So I'd probably be inclined to use the belt clip. But it seems a little silly to put such a small unit on your belt! For bike-to-bike communication, Chatterbox also make 49 MHz units (around $180) that also feature intercom options. I have no personal experience with these, but they seem similarly well-designed. --James > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:09:26 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Reformulated Gas At 09:03 PM 4/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >I live in an area that requires the sale of reformulated gas. The version we >have around here has 10% ethanol added. We don't (to my knowledge) have any >fuel with MTBE in it nor methanol. Has anyone had any experiences (good or >bad) with any of the reformulated fuels. I live near the border line and can >easily get regular unleaded gas that is not reformulated. Any suggestions? Never having used an ethanol coctail in my bike, I can't say anyhting about it, but as far as MTBE, sheesh!, let me tell you! Here in Fairbanks during the winter we get a serious temperature inversion when it gets colder than -20. It is because of it that we yearly exceed the Air Quality Standards set by the feds (We are classified in the same bracket with offenders such as L. A.!) MTBE doctored fuels came and people immediately started complaining about headaches, assorted health problems, poor gas mileage and mechanical failures (price had little to do with it, since the price we are now paying is about $0.05 *higher* than oxyfuel - $1.30 for reg. un.) Snowmobile manufacturers warned all owners to rejett one size larger to compensate for leaner mixtures and even the fuel injected models had to come in for a new fuel map chip. Anyway, all this caused the governor to ban oxyfuels from being sold here due to the fact that use of MTBE was never tested under arctic conditions. More research was done last winter with a group of volunteers who used MTBE'ed fuel vs. a control group (in a double blind test). The jury is still out on that one. I can always tell when a car is using it just from the smell of the exhaust - disgusting! All this happened during the winter, do the PC was not affected. All I can say is: beware! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:11:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:11:13 -0700 To: Bryce Ulrich , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Juan A. Goula'" From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: Jetting info bryce..I'll be taking mine in tomorrow for adjustment.... dave Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'ruf@nconnect.net'" Subject: RE: Reformulated Gas Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:17:40 -0700 The Seattle area gets a reformulated mixture November through March I believe for air quality reasons. I noticed some decrease in mileage and a sluggishness sometimes depending on who's gas brand I used. Best results for pep came from Texaco. Arco (more ethonal) was the worst. Once Spring comes around I could notice the difference. -bryceu >---------- >From: ruf@nconnect.net[SMTP:ruf@nconnect.net] >Sent: Sunday, April 07, 1996 7:03 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Reformulated Gas > >I live in an area that requires the sale of reformulated gas. The >version we >have around here has 10% ethanol added. We don't (to my knowledge) have >any >fuel with MTBE in it nor methanol. Has anyone had any experiences (good >or >bad) with any of the reformulated fuels. I live near the border line >and can >easily get regular unleaded gas that is not reformulated. Any >suggestions? > >Thanks for your thoughts. > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: Koni shocks Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:52:22 -0400 If anyone is interested, Competition Accessories has the Koni adjustable = shocks for the PC800 for $199 per pair. Their phone number is = 800-543-4707. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:53:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 18:39:06 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: 101362.2633@compuserve.com Cc: pc800 Subject: Ian Smith Reports I am humbly grovelling in the dirt, here.... Willem, thanks a million for sending me a copy of the report. To all. I was not familiar with the I. Smith reports. It appears they make their living selling these reprints, and have already paid for reproduction rights. I still believe that we might "get away" with posting the comments "for comment and discussion" and fall backwards into the "fair use" exception to the copyright laws. If there is enough interest, I will try to contact the publishers and get permission to put them on the list, or on the web page (of course, we'd give them _full_ credit...). If I get permission, I'll ask for volunteers to help type'em in. More to follow! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:17:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:53:47 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: Bob Rufener , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reformulated Gas They run it in WA during the winter. I haven't noticed any problems... -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Change From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1996 00:45:56 -0500 Lines: 12 >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: BU> The PC800 filter is so small it's tough to find. The last time I changed the filter I was given a filter from, I believe, a H-D Sportster. I'm sure it was some Harley filter. It was much cheaper than Honda's offering ($5 or $6) and was chromed to boot. Anyone else used a Harley or other non-Honda filter? I didn't notice anything useful in the archives. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Change From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1996 00:49:56 -0500 Lines: 13 >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> Moral Change oil and filter at the factorys lowest recommended interval D> for longest life. That would be what about 2,000 - 3,000 for Hondas? Hehe. Open your service manual to page 3-4 and note that the oil and filter change interval is 8000 miles, 12800km. No bull, I'll scan the page if you don't believe me. BTW, I now have a full page scanner (HP 4c) in my office so I can scan stuff with abandon. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Really Shines From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1996 01:00:52 -0500 Lines: 11 >>>>> "B" == BernieK469 writes: B> For a real shine on your bike try "Klean 'n Shine" by Johnson Wax. It B> is much better than "Lemon Pledge." I think the best is still the Saeng Can-Do stuff. I've used the much-vaunted Honda spooge, Pledge, and a few other cleaners and nothing beats the really beautiful coat that you get with the Can-Do. Unfortunately, nothing surpasses the price, either. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:13:15 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 10 Apr 1996 8:15:12 -0400 (EDT) To: Jason L Tibbitts III From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: Oil Change Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 12:45 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: > >BU> The PC800 filter is so small it's tough to find. > >The last time I changed the filter I was given a filter from, I believe, a >H-D Sportster. I'm sure it was some Harley filter. It was much cheaper >than Honda's offering ($5 or $6) and was chromed to boot. > >Anyone else used a Harley or other non-Honda filter? I didn't notice >anything useful in the archives. Dennis Kirk (1-800-328-9280) has two oil filters for the PC . One they call the import for $5.99 (part no. 30-1005) and the other is a fram (part numkber 30-1053) for $8.99. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 10:09:52 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Sonic BOOM or bust? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/10/96 10:10 ## How about stick-on Velcro on the side or rear of your helmet? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/09/96 22:01 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 10:18:08 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Jason_L_Tibbitts_III)_tibbs@uh.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Oil Change ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/10/96 10:18 ## That 8000 mile oil-change interval was obviously written by a marketing type. Make it look like low maintenance. Do you realize how many people never put as much as 8k during the whole time they own it? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Jason L Tibbitts III) tibbs@uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/10/96 00:49 ## >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> Moral Change oil and filter at the factorys lowest recommended interval D> for longest life. That would be what about 2,000 - 3,000 for Hondas? Hehe. Open your service manual to page 3-4 and note that the oil and filter change interval is 8000 miles, 12800km. No bull, I'll scan the page if you don't believe me. BTW, I now have a full page scanner (HP 4c) in my office so I can scan stuff with abandon. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 10:31:06 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Re: Oil Change ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/10/96 10:31 ## The couple dollars saved on a non-Honda oil filter is a helluva gamble. FRAMs were blowing off of race bikes last year and banned. The PC filter is on all model Hondas. The valving was modified when the CBR900RR came out. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/10/96 07:13 ## At 12:45 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: > >BU> The PC800 filter is so small it's tough to find. > >The last time I changed the filter I was given a filter from, I believe, a >H-D Sportster. I'm sure it was some Harley filter. It was much cheaper >than Honda's offering ($5 or $6) and was chromed to boot. > >Anyone else used a Harley or other non-Honda filter? I didn't notice >anything useful in the archives. Dennis Kirk (1-800-328-9280) has two oil filters for the PC . One they call the import for $5.99 (part no. 30-1005) and the other is a fram (part numkber 30-1053) for $8.99. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:31:43 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, 101362.2633@compuserve.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ian Smith Reports Type 'em in??????? Let Jason use his new, cool scanner...... You know, perhaps we should really become a "KLUB" with memberships..... in that way we could perhaps pay Ian for his documents, put together a catalog of parts, buy in bulk,..... just an idea..... I would like to say that I think it's great the way everyone is ready to help out. Thanks to all for participating. Z (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:17:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:16:36 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Ian Smith Reports Not a bad idea, Gunther. however, then we'd have to get permission from not only the magazines for the substance, but also from Ian for the compilation. Further review of the I.S. list shows that we're mainly dealing with 3 mags: Rider, Cycle, & Cycle World. I've got 2 of the 3, and will pick up the 3d one soon. When I write them, I'll ask for "fresh" reprints of the articles, and see if they'll make them available in electronic format. Anyone really concerned about the little 1 paragraph blurbs, or should I concentrate on the the big articles? Also, it occurs to me that perhaps Willem could work on the Dutch language articles? (perhaps, writing thier publshers and translating?) gotta go do some work! GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > > Type 'em in??????? > > Let Jason use his new, cool scanner...... You know, perhaps we should > really become a "KLUB" with memberships..... in that way we could perhaps > pay Ian for his documents, put together a catalog of parts, buy in bulk,..... > just an idea..... -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:09:23 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ian Smith Reports >Willem, thanks a million for sending me a copy of the report. Here here! I was trying to find Willems address to thank him personally, but a public thanks is better than no thanks at all. I was flabergasted when I received this in the mail. I read it from front to back and then re-read some specific parts. I always learn something I don't know about the PC every time I read about it. Thanks a Mill. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:09:18 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Really Shines >For a real shine on your bike try "Klean 'n Shine" by Johnson Wax. It is >much better than "Lemon Pledge." Are you sure these things are safe for auto paint? I would sure hate to ruin my paint job for a quick shine. There are waxes available that reduce static and have a high gloss (low durability). Why not use them instead? Besides I don't want my Tupperware smelling like a Lemon! Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Oil Filter Wrench Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:23:50 -0700 Ok guys I found the best oil filter wrench and it was only $2.96! That's right, $2.96 It's made by Vector and it's called the "TruGrip" I found it at Walmart = and it's model number is 17040 it fits 65&67 mm/14 flutes. I took the = Honda filter in with me to make sure it fit and it does. And it's made = of metal, I love the price of under 3 bucks instead of the $49 the = dealer wanted. It says it fits all these filters AC FRAM PF1220 PH4386 PH4967 CHAMPION LEE C138 LF2840HP C141 LF2841HP IAPCO OF1 OF4 OF22 Does this mean that all these filters will fit our bikes? I'm still = going to stick to the Honda Filter and change the oil to the synthetic = everyone is recommending (Mobil 1) Just thought you guys might want the info. Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:36:07 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Ian Smith Reports Cc: cathy.farrow@corp.sun.com Hi Folks - At 10:31 AM 4/10/96 -0400, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: [snip] > You know, perhaps we should >really become a "KLUB" with memberships..... in that way we could perhaps >pay Ian for his documents, put together a catalog of parts, buy in bulk,..... > just an idea..... Well, from the standpoint of someone who is in a one-model owners club (COG - the Concours Owners Group), the club idea is a good one. The *main* advantage, as I see it, is not the discounts and such, but is the information and assistance available to me as a member. (I also really like the newsletter, with tech articles and reports of my fellow COGgers adventures...) For those of you who are here on the PC List, this is perhaps less critical, since the list serves some of these purposes. However, there's probably lots of PCers out there without a computer, nevermind 'Net access..... A couple of other stray thoughts: Before you launch a new org, you might want to see if Honda will either commit some support, or at least promise to keep making the bike for a few more years; also, these things do require some volunteer commitment...... Finally, what are you going to call it? (This could be a fun thread, all on its own!) My (admittedly over-caffeinated) $.02 - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 13:25:32 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Paul_Browne)_pbrowne@idsonline.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Koni shocks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/10/96 13:26 ## I just got off the phone with the Koni tech support dept. The Koni shocks are for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. They have a 4-way spring preload adjustment and have a knurled damping adjuster at the top. I don't know if the damping adjuster would be accessible on bike. Koni (KY?) 1-800-922-2616. C-A = $199.49 They are rebildable by Koni or "authorized dealer". Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Paul Browne) pbrowne@idsonline.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/09/96 22:52 ## If anyone is interested, Competition Accessories has the Koni adjustable = shocks for the PC800 for $199 per pair. Their phone number is = 800-543-4707. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:32:26 -0400 To: sfarrow@radford.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: cathy.farrow@corp.sun.com Subject: KLUB Idea Spence's comments quoted at end... Well folks, Do we want more organization and a reachout to the non-wired among us???? Do we enjoy the anarchy and non-stuctured nature of our little group? I am certainly up for doing the time to put something together. I think it would be fun and.... oh hell, I guess I'm just a "joiner" at heart and I'm not a member of anything now so.... What do y'all think? Todd Zedak (Chicago) Hi Folks - At 10:31 AM 4/10/96 -0400, GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: [snip] > You know, perhaps we should >really become a "KLUB" with memberships..... in that way we could perhaps >pay Ian for his documents, put together a catalog of parts, buy in bulk,..... > just an idea..... Well, from the standpoint of someone who is in a one-model owners club (COG - the Concours Owners Group), the club idea is a good one. The *main* advantage, as I see it, is not the discounts and such, but is the information and assistance available to me as a member. (I also really like the newsletter, with tech articles and reports of my fellow COGgers adventures...) For those of you who are here on the PC List, this is perhaps less critical, since the list serves some of these purposes. However, there's probably lots of PCers out there without a computer, nevermind 'Net access..... A couple of other stray thoughts: Before you launch a new org, you might want to see if Honda will either commit some support, or at least promise to keep making the bike for a few more years; also, these things do require some volunteer commitment...... Finally, what are you going to call it? (This could be a fun thread, all on its own!) Spencer Farrow ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: How Many Quarts Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:33:57 -0700 Ok gang, one last question. How many quarts of oil do I need to put in our bike? 4? 5? I'm going to go buy the synthetic Mobil 1 today. Thanks! Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona P.S. Hello Joe in Delray Beach Florida, Thanks for the help with the last oil change. I miss our rides together. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:38:55 +0200 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Re: Fwd: Eastern Canada Hi Chris, although this message was not ment for me I couldn't help reading it and think back to my stay in Canada two years ago. The roads you describe are indeed beautiful, but you have to be aware of the gasmeter. My wife and I stayed in a hotel in Wawa, we got there quite late. Next day we drove through the state park direction Sault Ste Marie and had approx 1/4 tank of gas. (Dodge Neon) The road was beautiful but some of this beauty disappears seeing the gasmeter go down and down and not a single station on the map. The first gasstation was just a little south of the park. We arrived there with the needle way below the red square. This was the first time in my life I found a gasstation out of gas... I didn't know this could happen. BTW since Holland is quite small you don't have to drive that far for the next gas. Regards, Hans. >If you chose to go through Sault >Ste Marie and go down 75 and then head west on 2 you will find some of the >most beautiful roads that run right along Lake Michigan. We stopped to swim >and it was incredible. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:42:05 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: KLUB Idea I am a member od COG. Don't ask me why. But, the bublication is very good. They have what seems to me as a very organized membership. I wonder, though, if the nature of the two bikes would affect our success. The Connie is a very fast bike full of modification possibilities. Aside from shocks and possibly re-jetting we seem to be interested in audio accessories. Also the PC is a no maintanance (basicly) bike. VERY different from most every other bike including the Connie. Also, how many Connies have they sold, and how many PCs have been sold. I know the PC's production run is substancialy shorter. If we are really serious I think a call to COG would be in order to find out how they manage their publication. Maybe even have them handle the lists, costs, and mailing? Maybe it would make more sense and be more viable if we did a joint publication/Club. Say, the ST1100? Or are we afraid that too many of us will be swayed to defect to a ST? But by doing so we would have a far greater membership base. I am sure that Handa would give us the list of all PC and ST owners they have in the US. That would help. I think the first thing those who are serious should do is get a copy of COG, and The American Voyager Assoc. I have read both and they are very good. However, the Voyager publication (much smaller) shows how important it is to have a large enough member base to support a decent mag. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: How Many Quarts Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:59:39 -0700 >---------- >From: Bryce Ulrich >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 1996 11:59 AM >To: 'Alexander D. Gray' >Subject: RE: How Many Quarts > >4 quarts and you'll have a little left over. After you drain the bike >run the starter for a few seconds (kill switch off) to stir up the last >few drops and let 'em drain. > >-bryceu > >---------- >From: Alexander D. Gray[SMTP:smupony@infomagic.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 1996 11:33 AM >To: 'PC 800 mailing list' >Subject: How Many Quarts > >Ok gang, one last question. > >How many quarts of oil do I need to put in our bike? 4? 5? > >I'm going to go buy the synthetic Mobil 1 today. Thanks! > >Alexander D. Gray >Flagstaff, Arizona > > >P.S. Hello Joe in Delray Beach Florida, Thanks for the help with the >last oil change. I miss our rides together. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: KLUB Idea From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 10 Apr 1996 14:34:46 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: K> Maybe it would make more sense and be more viable if we did a joint K> publication/Club. Say, the ST1100? Why not just join the HSTA (Honda Sport Touring Association)? I'll freely admit that I'm not a member but perhaps they can provide some of the services which you seem to seek. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RICHARD_SHEPPARD@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:28:48 -0400 Subject: Pacific Coast PC800 Motorcycle To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Goldwing Is the PC 800 supposed to be a slimmed down version of the goldwing in anyway? The reason I ask is because I am frequently asked what kind of motorcycle I have and most people have no Idea what a Pacific Coast is. When I say "Kinda likle a goldwing" People understand but I don't want to be wrong ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:51:06 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Sonic Systems I just spoke to Mark at Sonic. Seems like they have a great system. I have Bassmonster speakers now, and Mark feels that they a little beter and he can make the conversion. I got the feeling that Mark could pretty much wire anything you wanted. And as long as you were nice would warrant the thing forever. he faxed me some info. If anyone needs it send me a fax #, and time to send and I will send it to you. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Apr 96 16:47:54 EDT From: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU (Sidney S. Letter) Subject: Re: Pacific Coast PC800 Motorcycle To: RICHARD_SHEPPARD@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Richard Sheppard asks if it's wrong to say that the PC IS "Kinda like a goldwing". In my view, a Gold Wing is a moose while a PC is an antelope. Other than that, they have quite a bit - Honda quality, nice bodywork, etc. - in common. (I'm, of course, not fully qualified to respond to your question. I've never been on a Gold Wing and I got to ride my new-to-me 94 PC about 75 miles before the snow came back. Nevertheless, that's my .02) Sid Letter Lebanon NH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:46:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: Hans Looman cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dutch PC800 activities On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Hans Looman wrote: [snip] > This Sunday we had a nice trip between small lakes and rivers. 14 PC's > turned up, a beautiful sight. BTW, nice meeting you, Bas. > The trip was supposed to be 90 km. It turned out to be a lot more, due > to the fact that reading one routeform by fourteen different people gives > you fourteen different trips. But nice anyway. Nice meeting you too, sorry we arrived late and left early, but we had to be back home at 18:00 for a lift to a concert, which was great! (Lenny Kravitz/Skunk Anansie) The trip was nice, although I've seen most of it the week before, during the nl.motorfiets ride. 33 bikes showed up there, just one pc. The things that were new, we were not intended to see ;) Especialy that nice stretch along that canal we rode both sides (another slight detour on the route, about 14 miles extra) One thing I noticed is the pace we rode, I normaly ride a bit faster, more sport-touring. Got the position lights working, just had to connect the wires to them. They were indeed just cut through. I think it is stupid we aren't allowed to have those lights on, they enhance the visability of the bike a lot. Ok, hope to see you at the next ride, I haven't planned any concerts, so we will have some more time to chat. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 22:18:34 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800" Subject: New Member I just discovered the PC800 group yesterday. What a surprise! I spent most of the day at work reading the archives and learned a lot about the PC800. Thanks. Name: Vince Santamaria Loaction: Fort Myers Florida EMAIL: vince_santamaria@msn.com PC Model year: 1990 Bought used: April 1996 Modifications: Corbin Seat and Honda radio My Story: In 1992 I took an early retirement from IBM (after 25 years) and bought a new 1990 PC800. I had been out of motorcycling for 20 years. I did a lot of riding that first year of ownership. (20k miles). Then I decided that I wanted a cruiser so I bought a new Vulcan 1500 and proceeded to put 20k miles on it including two trips into Mexico. I then thought that I needed a 1500 Goldwing so I bought one of them. I didn't care for it. So I then decided that a Harley was the bike for me. I bought a 1985 FLHTP last year. That idea lasted about nine months and I decided that I was not a Harley person. So quess what, two weeks ago I bought a 1990 PC800 and completed the circle. I am back where I belong. The other bikes were OK but you just can't beat a PC for all around comfort, performance, ease of maintanence, and practically. I also have a 1982 GL500( Standard Silver Wing) , a 1983 VT500FT Ascot, and a 1989 Transalp in my stable. I plan to go to the Honda Hoot this June. Also I would like to go on the Alaskan tour in August. I have signed up for the Pancho Villa trip to Panama in Jan. 1997. Also I would like to work in a return trip to the Honda Homecoming at the plant in Marysville . The big question that I have is: Has anyone come up with a clean solution for highway pegs for the PC? I need to be able to stretch out my legs for those long highway runs. Thanks, Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Alter Subject: Subscribe To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu My name is Joe Alter and I live in south east Florida. My E-mail address is retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us and I own own an '89 model that came out of the box in '91. I bought it new and have made absolutely no modifications. I have 12,000 plus miles on the bike and have never had the need to make an adjustment - let alone a repair. One negative. The bike eats tires. 5 to 6M miles and that is it!. Looking forward to hearing from you. Joe Joseph Alter retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 04:21:19 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: "pc800" Subject: RE: How Many Quarts No 4 or 5!!!!! Three quarts and 12oz. (3.4qts when the filter is changed.) Don't overfill, strains the seals. Roger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Alexander D. Gray Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 1996 11:33 AM To: 'PC 800 mailing list' Subject: How Many Quarts Ok gang, one last question. How many quarts of oil do I need to put in our bike? 4? 5? I'm going to go buy the synthetic Mobil 1 today. Thanks! Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona P.S. Hello Joe in Delray Beach Florida, Thanks for the help with the last oil change. I miss our rides together. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:01:29 -0400 To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Vince Santamaria >Vince Santamaria Vince, like you, I am just getting back to motorcycles after a few years hiatus. I bought the 1994 PC late last summer, used with 1900 miles on it, from a private buyer. The PC wasn't my first choice in bikes. I really wanted a ST1100 or a BMW, but the PC was a cherry and the price was only $3,500. I couldn't turn it down. My original plan was to ride it through the fall and trade it the coming summer. But, the more I rode the PC the better I liked it. I am 59 years old, and I have had a lot of bikes starting with a Vincent Black Shadow, that would never run, that a buddy and I rebuilt during our college days. When I was in the service I was stationed in Panama and rode a Honda 125 and later a Honda 305 Dream. The 305 was the largest bike Honda made in those days. By the way the Panama City Honda Dealership was a hardware store with the bikes for sale lined up down a center aisle as you came into the store They are predicting scattered thunderstorms for the Kansas City area this coming week-end. I hope they are wrong, or the thunderstorms are real scattered as I am planning my first long trip on my PC. I am planning to leave KC Friday morning about 6 A.M. heading south for Bull Shoals Arkansas. Bull Shoals is about 250 miles out of Kansas City and on to the beautiful winding roads of the Ozark Lake Country. I anticipate it will be about a four to a four and half hour trip to Bull Shoals. Maybe a little longer with a stop for a mid-morning breakfast. I must be there by 11A.M. I am going to spend the week-end at Bull Shoals before riding over to Benton, Il. Benton is another 200 plus mile trip. From Benton, it is a good 350 mile run home. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:05:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:58:55 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , RICHARD_SHEPPARD@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us Subject: Re: Pacific Coast PC800 Motorcycle RICHARD_SHEPPARD@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us wrote: [snip] > Is the PC 800 supposed to be a slimmed down version of the goldwing ?[snip] Having recently read the original '89 reviews, my impression was that it was designed to be an all-purpose commuter/touring bike. Early reviews also referred to it as a "yuppie-cycle," referring to the targeted market of mid 30's professionals who were new or returning to motorcycling after a long absence. Also, the price then was in the high $7000, making it a fairly high end bike. (as we all know, that's not such an unusual price now) One of the reviews I read was a 4 way "ride-off" between the PC, BMW K75RT, R100RT, and HD's lighter dress bike (sport glide???). This comparison referred to all 4 bikes as "mini-touring" bikes. I just tell'em it's a scooter on steriods. :) Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:11:24 -0400 To: Roger_Prince@dgc.mceo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks >I just got off the phone with the Koni tech support dept. The Koni >shocks are for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. They >have a 4-way spring preload adjustment and have a knurled damping >adjuster at the top. I don't know if the damping adjuster would be >accessible on bike. Koni (KY?) 1-800-922-2616. C-A = $199.49 >They are rebildable by Koni or "authorized dealer". > >Roger WOW! That sounds like a real good shock. I bet someone over seas could round up a report on these shocks in a magazine, assuming they tested them over in Holland. Having damping ability alone would make these a better shock than the factory ones. As long as the spring rates were good and the damping close enough that the adjuster worked. Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:40:12 -0400 To: retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe >One negative. The >bike eats tires. 5 to 6M miles and that is it!. >Looking forward to hearing from you. >Joe Does your Right wrist hurt after a long ride? This may be a clue to your tire dilema :-) Sincere thanks Dentman711@AOL.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) HSTA # 6578 AMA # None yet $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:56:24 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: PC for Sale-GA To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu FYI, current week's Cycle Trader has the following ad for a PC: 90 PC, candy red, only 7K pampered miles, remote security system, rear spoiler, exc. tires, always garaged, absolutely beautiful, owner is 60 years old, no disappointments, asking $5500, must sell, (770) 945-2795. IMHO the bike is priced too high but if owner must really sell, there may be room for negotiation. Will be glad to check it out for anyone if they are interested. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:18:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:18:32 -0700 To: RICHARD_SHEPPARD@dpsnet.detpub.k12.mi.us, PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Pacific Coast PC800 Motorcycle I always refer to mine as a baby goldwing ;>) for weenies :>) Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:22:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:22:32 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Carbs/head gasket hi gang...just spend 3 hrs with the mechanic playing with my carbs again...here's the NEW poop: 123 MAINS 40 SLOW 1 shim 1 1/2 turns on the screws.... apparently the 42' s in the SLOWs were running WAY too rich...hence the crappy milage. It feels much better now...still has the extra kick, but doesn't sound like its sucking gas... and here's the best part...NO CHARGE!!!!!! these guys are perfectionists, espe cially if you show them you care about your bike. so, I took em a few 6's of Red Hook and Samuel Adams after work :>) I'll run her for a week or two and report back again. Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Tj3768@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:03:43 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: please Please take me from this list...I didnt sign for it but I've been patient about it... thanks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:20:38 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Joel Goldman Subject: Re: Pacific Coast PC800 Motorcycle At 04:47 PM 4/10/96 EDT, you wrote: >Richard Sheppard asks if it's wrong to say that the PC IS "Kinda like a >goldwing". > >In my view, a Gold Wing is a moose while a PC is an antelope. Other than that, >they have quite a bit - Honda quality, nice bodywork, etc. - in common. > >(I'm, of course, not fully qualified to respond to your question. I've never >been on a Gold Wing and I got to ride my new-to-me 94 PC about 75 miles before >the snow came back. Nevertheless, that's my .02) > >Sid Letter >Lebanon NH >-- I have owned an '84 Gold Wing and a '91 wing. I can tell you there is nothing similar betwwen the wings and the pc800 except that the 1500 wings and the pc800 have similer bodywork. > >Joel G. Toronto,Ont. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:10:08 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: What is it? When someone asks me about the PC, I tell them it's like the SHADOW. They usually are very surprised that it is an 800cc V-Twin. When I started to wash up my GL1200 after some early season rides, I quickly appreciated the ease and speed with which we can clean up the PC !!!! --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 08:04:04 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 08:04 ## I don't know what the 91-93 means. That's on Koni's app sheet and the Koni tech guy knew less than I did. He was quite surprised when I told him the US model years being evrything but 91-93. I'll let you know if they fit the 90 or 95, one or both? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/10/96 15:45 ## At 01:25 PM 4/10/96 edt, you wrote: for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. Roger, Does this mean that there were PC built for the 91-93 year but just not imported into this country? Also does this mean the koni shocks will not fit the 89-90 models.? Thanks Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:09:48 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carbs/head gasket 123 MAINS 40 SLOW 1 shim 1 1/2 turns on the screws.... ???????? Do you mean that there are 2 jets in each carb, one 'MAIN" jet and one "SLOW" jet? Can I also infer that the "40" and the "123" refer to the SIZE of the jet? I think the "1.5 turns" refers to mixture? What does the shim do? Did I miss a really good thread? Also, are you doing this to eek out a bit more performance or were you just getting bad mileage? Thanks in advance for the clarification. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:46:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800, what is it? I have heard some describe it as a sort of "fancied up" replacement for the old Silverwings. Not entirely accurate as it is much more sophisticated and has Shadow engine heritage as Wes mentioned, but it does fill a similar niche in that it is a lighter touring oriented bike. Some of my "Harley buddies" don't quite know what to make of it...Many of them think it's pretty cool in a strange sort of way, but don't want to get caught admiring a rice burner ;) Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:50:11 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Honda Hoot Hello all, Do I understand correctly the Honda Hoot is in Asheville? Can anyone share a telephone number to get information? Thanks in advance for any help. BTW, I had the Back-off light installed that was featured in a recent issue of MCN, and it works exactly as advertised. The unit cost $35 and the dealer charged $20.00 to install, altho it looks simple enought that even I thought I could do it. But I was having the spring service thing done so... Also, anyone have the Kriss headlight modulator? Like it? Regards, Alan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:53:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Dave Lott Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC for Sale-GA On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Dave Lott wrote: > FYI, current week's Cycle Trader has the following ad for a PC: > > 90 PC, candy red, only 7K pampered miles, remote security system, rear > spoiler, exc. tires, always garaged, absolutely beautiful, owner is 60 > years old, no disappointments, asking $5500, must sell, (770) 945-2795. I agree with Dave re price; too high. Depending on when he bought it, this could be more than he paid for it new. But those spoilers are very nice looking :) I always wanted one, but couldn't justify the price. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) To: "Alexander D. Gray" From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Oil Filter Wrench Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 09:23 AM 4/10/96 -0700, you wrote: >Ok guys I found the best oil filter wrench and it was only $2.96! > >That's right, $2.96 > >It's made by Vector and it's called the "TruGrip" I found it at Walmart and it's model number is 17040 it fits 65&67 mm/14 flutes. Thanks for the tip. I just bought one and it fits perfect. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:07:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: sfarrow@radford.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, cathy.farrow@corp.sun.com Subject: Re: KLUB Idea > > Finally, what are you going to call it? (This could be a fun thread, all on > its own!) > > Spencer Farrow > Why, how about plain ol' PCOC (Peacock) ;) Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:56:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:11:48 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: GuntherSki@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carbs/head gasket > Do you mean that there are 2 jets in each carb, one 'MAIN" jet and one "SLOW" beats me....I just copied down the info that he wrote on the work order :>) I met this tech at the Seattle Cycle show...he told me a lot about the PC's engine/carb combination, and that Honda used it a lot..he said he could give me 10-15 more horsepower, and beef up performance by messing with the carbs...sounded fun.... sooo..I had him do the work...the first adjustments were too rich for the bike and fouled the plugs, and dropped my milage to 35 city/45 hwy... But...performance was greatly improved...much smother acceleration..and, at high speeds, when you release the throttle, it genlty falls off instead of suddenly dropping...I also put Progressive Springs in the front end and Metzler ML2 tires all the way around..handles MUCH better now. Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:45:18 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: How Many Quarts At 04:21 AM 4/11/96 UT, you wrote: >No 4 or 5!!!!! Three quarts and 12oz. (3.4qts when the filter is changed.) >Don't overfill, strains the seals. > >Roger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That and it can also splash oil on the cylinder walls under the pistons, cruding up the works. It has also greater potential for foaming which will cause the oil pump to wheeze and run "dry". Best advice: Read the owners manual. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:20:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Joseph Alter Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe Something drastically wrong, Joe. I've got 57K on my '90 and I've gotten 16-18K miles on my front tires and about 13K on my rear. I use Dunlops K177. I can't imagine what would cause that low tire mileage, but I'd sure have the shop check those wheels - unless you're using some exotic sticky race tire. Richard Hardy, San Diego On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Joseph Alter wrote: > My name is Joe Alter and I live in south east Florida. My E-mail address > is retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us and I own own an '89 model that came > out of the box in '91. I bought it new and have made absolutely no > modifications. I have 12,000 plus miles on the bike and have never had > the need to make an adjustment - let alone a repair. One negative. The > bike eats tires. 5 to 6M miles and that is it!. > Looking forward to hearing from you. > Joe > > > Joseph Alter > retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 14:22:40 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "andy"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, "hsta"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: virus alert ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 14:22 ## BEWARE! Roger Previous comments: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David Robinson:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 11:02 ## See attached Virus Alert Previous comments: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dick Zygadlo:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 10:59 ## FYI Previous comments: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mike Maffioli Date: ## 04/11/96 09:35 ## FYI CEO document contents: >>Subject: FW: !!!!! Virus Alert !!!!! (fwd) >> >>Forwarded message: >>> >>> A new Trojan Horse virus has emerged on the internet with the name >>> PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a >>> new version of the PKZIP software used to ZIP (compress) files. >>> >>> Do not download this file under any circumstances! >>> >>> If you install or expand this file, the virus will wipe your Hard Disk >>> and affect modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely >>> destructive virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning up this one. >>> >>> Repeat: Do not download any file with the name PKZIP300 -- >>> regardless of the extension. >>> >>-- >>~~ Ellen M. Murphy >> ~~ emmurph@srv.PacBell.COM > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:46:29 -0700 And I'll check the fit with the '89. Delivery should come in in the next 8-10 business days. 2500 mile trip planned for eary May so and excellent opportunity to test 'em out. -bryceu >---------- >From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM[SMTP:Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM] >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 1:04 AM >To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu >Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM >Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks > > > >I'll let you know if they fit the 90 or 95, one or both? > >Roger > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Carbs/head gasket Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:09:42 -0700 <> About 5-6 weeks ago Dave and I had our bikes rejetted to increase performance and add to the fun of the bike. I've forwarded the original message to you directly . Below are the initial modificiations with the new setup appended. I haven't had my bike in for more work (yet) but the new changes make sense based on the symptoms we share. Maybe I'll give Dave one more week as a guinea pig to make sure. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- Initial modifications Dave and I had were: ---------------------------- Main jets: front from 125 to 128, rear from 122 to 125 Slow jets: front from 42 to 45, rear from 38 to 40 2 hole slide, 1 jet drill size larger on one hole 1 shim under needle Mixture screws 2 1/2 out Looks like the new setup that Dave got is: ------------------------------ Main jets: front/rear 123 Slow jets: front/rear 40 >1 shim under the needle Mixture screw 1 1/2 turns out > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 20:21:44 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Richard A. Hardy" , "Joseph Alter" Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Subscribe Richard, Maybe Joe's 8k miles were on the new Homestead Race Track working as a tester? On my first PC I got 12k out of the first set. I don't ride very aggressive. I will have a set of the ML2's installed soon and will report on their life. Now my Vulcan 1500 could eat up some rear tires but the fronts lasted forever. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Richard A. Hardy Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 1:20 PM To: Joseph Alter Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Subscribe Something drastically wrong, Joe. I've got 57K on my '90 and I've gotten 16-18K miles on my front tires and about 13K on my rear. I use Dunlops K177. I can't imagine what would cause that low tire mileage, but I'd sure have the shop check those wheels - unless you're using some exotic sticky race tire. Richard Hardy, San Diego On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Joseph Alter wrote: > My name is Joe Alter and I live in south east Florida. My E-mail address > is retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us and I own own an '89 model that came > out of the box in '91. I bought it new and have made absolutely no > modifications. I have 12,000 plus miles on the bike and have never had > the need to make an adjustment - let alone a repair. One negative. The > bike eats tires. 5 to 6M miles and that is it!. > Looking forward to hearing from you. > Joe > > > Joseph Alter > retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 20:31:28 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800" Subject: Mobile 1 15w50 I took the advice of the group and installed Mobile 1 15w50 yesterday. I can feel a difference in the shifting (really). Also I installed synthetic 90w in the rear end. There were favorable tests on both of the above in MCN. Need tips on changing the engine coolant, clutch and brake fluids. I need a copy of the service manual for a 1990 PC if anyone out there has one to sell. Is there any special tips on synching the carbs? I have guages and have done it on my other bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:17:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Vincent Santamaria Cc: "Richard A. Hardy" , Joseph Alter , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tires (was RE: Subscribe) FWIW, my first set of tires (OEM, my feeble brain can't seem to dredge up what they were) lasted about 8k miles. I would describe my riding as "spirited", ;) and about half that mileage was 2 up. ML2+ seems to last about 12k for me, although it has varied significantly. YMMV Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 02:22:27 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: please Who was that masked man? ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Tj3768@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 1996 9:03 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: please Please take me from this list...I didnt sign for it but I've been patient about it... thanks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 02:26:31 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Honda Hoot 1-800-347-1289 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Alan D. Smith Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 7:50 AM To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Honda Hoot Hello all, Do I understand correctly the Honda Hoot is in Asheville? Can anyone share a telephone number to get information? Thanks in advance for any help. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: New Tags!! Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:32:17 -0700 You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike = and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! What a rip-off!!! I = just moved here from Florida and there it was only around $30. And = before that I lived in Dallas and I think it was only around $30 also. = Man what a government we have. I can't believe we let this shit go on. = And they told me that every year it's going to be that high simply = because I have a nice bike - that's a crock of ----!!!! =20 They also said that this state has the second highest "registration" = fee, only second to California. I can't believe it's that high! Ok guys let me here what your state charges you ---- that way I can = really get pissed off at this! They also made me take half the bike apart because they had to check the = engine serial # and the frame serial #. I was there over an hour just = trying to find the darn numbers with these "officials". Has anyone else had this experience? Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona ( the rip you off state) P.S. Hey Joe, can you believe this stuff goes on. Maybe I should have = stayed in South Florida? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:37:22 -0400 To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Carbs/head gasket >But...performance was greatly improved...much smother acceleration..and, >at high speeds, when you release the throttle, it genlty falls off instead >of >suddenly dropping...I I hate that sudden drop when you chop the throttle. I would like to cure that. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:37:19 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Calling all Honda Hooters Anyone going up in June to the Hoot from down in the Southland might want to let me now. Some of us are trying to meet in Atlanta (actually Athens, Ga) and ride up together. We would love the company. It's aways easier to have someone push your bike while you steer it ;-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" , "'Alexander D. Gray'" Subject: RE: New Tags!! Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:38:09 -0700 Don't ever move to Washington. My tabs were 120 something before I got a vanity plate (PERLPC). Now I pay $146. My new Chevy '96 Blazer -- $577! Of course WA doesn't have an income tax so revenue's have to come from somewhere. Property, utilities, sales tax on espresso -- that's were the state makes it's money. Now get out there and ride your bike to get you're money's worth. If you ride 15k miles your tabs will only cost you 0.92 cents per mile. If you only ride 5k miles it's going to cost you 2.76 cents per mile -- a whole lot more. The more you ride the more you save. Get to work! \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Alexander D. Gray[SMTP:smupony@infomagic.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 4:32 PM >To: 'PC 800 mailing list' >Subject: New Tags!! > >You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike >and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! What a rip-off!!! I >just moved here from Florida and there it was only around $30. And >before that I lived in Dallas and I think it was only around $30 also. >Man what a government we have. I can't believe we let this shit go on. > And they told me that every year it's going to be that high simply >because I have a nice bike - that's a crock of ----!!!! > >They also said that this state has the second highest "registration" >fee, only second to California. I can't believe it's that high! > >Ok guys let me here what your state charges you ---- that way I can >really get pissed off at this! > >They also made me take half the bike apart because they had to check >the engine serial # and the frame serial #. I was there over an hour >just trying to find the darn numbers with these "officials". > >Has anyone else had this experience? > >Alexander D. Gray >Flagstaff, Arizona ( the rip you off state) > >P.S. Hey Joe, can you believe this stuff goes on. Maybe I should have >stayed in South Florida? > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:58:46 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Honda Hoot Information To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu To get a registration brochure, call 1-800-347-1289. If for some reason you don't want to make the tollfree call, you can send them snail mail to: Honda Hoot Program Headquarters P. O. Box 1610 Minneapolis, Michigan 55440-1610 Honda Hoot runs 6/18 through 6/22. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 04:54:19 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Bryce Ulrich" , "PC 800 mailing list" "Alexander D. Gray" Subject: RE: New Tags!! After I gave it some thought, it really does make sense. Ride to poverty in style. But ride a lot. MA calls it "Excise Tax". It ties in with the vehicle valuation. So it decreases each year. Just another travel expense. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Bryce Ulrich Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 5:38 PM To: 'PC 800 mailing list'; 'Alexander D. Gray' Subject: RE: New Tags!! Don't ever move to Washington. My tabs were 120 something before I got a vanity plate (PERLPC). Now I pay $146. My new Chevy '96 Blazer -- $577! Of course WA doesn't have an income tax so revenue's have to come from somewhere. Property, utilities, sales tax on espresso -- that's were the state makes it's money. Now get out there and ride your bike to get you're money's worth. If you ride 15k miles your tabs will only cost you 0.92 cents per mile. If you only ride 5k miles it's going to cost you 2.76 cents per mile -- a whole lot more. The more you ride the more you save. Get to work! \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Alexander D. Gray[SMTP:smupony@infomagic.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 4:32 PM >To: 'PC 800 mailing list' >Subject: New Tags!! > >You guys won't believe this crap! (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:04:30 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:01:54 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: New Tags!! Alexander D. Gray wrote: > > You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! Washington State has an annual excise tax. Around $140 for my '90, and $125 for my brother's '89. What really torques me off is that only 30% goes to the Transportation budget. The rest goes to the General Fund. Ya know, it wouldn't bother me if it was based on something rationally linked to the benefit -- like if it was based on gross vehicle weight, and all the money went to transportation, I just wouldn't mind. The other thing the hit Dave & I was: We bought the bikes in FLA. When we moved here and got registered them, we had to pay the difference in sales tax between FLA and WA because they were "recreational vehicles." _I've_ got a cage to tool around in, but Dave's PC is his only form of transportation. gRRRRRRRR! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 01:37:57 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC 800 mailing list" , "Alexander D. Gray" Subject: RE: New Tags!! Damn, that is awful. And I have always wanted to move to Flagstaff. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Alexander D. Gray Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 7:32 PM To: 'PC 800 mailing list' Subject: New Tags!! You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike = and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! What a rip-off!!! I = just moved here from Florida and there it was only around $30. And = before that I lived in Dallas and I think it was only around $30 also. = Man what a government we have. I can't believe we let this shit go on. = And they told me that every year it's going to be that high simply = because I have a nice bike - that's a crock of ----!!!! =20 They also said that this state has the second highest "registration" = fee, only second to California. I can't believe it's that high! Ok guys let me here what your state charges you ---- that way I can = really get pissed off at this! They also made me take half the bike apart because they had to check the = engine serial # and the frame serial #. I was there over an hour just = trying to find the darn numbers with these "officials". Has anyone else had this experience? Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona ( the rip you off state) P.S. Hey Joe, can you believe this stuff goes on. Maybe I should have = stayed in South Florida? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:23:07 -0500 From: "E.Y. MurphEY" To: "Alexander D. Gray" CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tags!! Alexander D. Gray wrote: > > You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! What a rip-off!!! I just moved here f > > They also said that this state has the second highest "registration" fee, only second to California. I can't believe it's that high! > > Ok guys let me here what your state charges you ---- that way I can really get pissed off at this! > > They also made me take half the bike apart because they had to check the engine serial # and the frame serial #. I was there over an hour just trying to find > > Has anyone else had this experience? > > Alexander D. Gray > Flagstaff, Arizona ( the rip you off state) > > P.S. Hey Joe, can you believe this stuff goes on. Maybe I should have stayed in South Florida? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Attachment 2 Type: application/ms-tnef so alex does this look loike your original message? my Netscape 2 on MAC 575 says that your right hand margin is verrrrrrry long you two previous posts with the code at the bottom seemed okay but this attachement seems to always make my right edge margin scream any ideas about the problem does anyone else get this ? help??? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| E.Y. MurphEY... ey@forum.swarthmore.edu Dean of Mathematics Instruction....Haverford School District voice:610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 Fax:610-789-1445 '94 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 [lifer] HSTA#6485su HRCA#HM211432 Within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction. Maybe a metaphor would help? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fouled message (Was: New Tags!!) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Apr 1996 22:49:04 -0500 Lines: 30 >>>>> "EY" == "E Y MurphEY" writes: EY> my Netscape 2 on MAC 575 says that your right hand margin is verrrrrrry EY> long you two previous posts with the code at the bottom seemed okay but EY> this attachement seems to always make my right edge margin scream any EY> ideas about the problem does anyone else get this ? help??? Yes, the message came from the usual pile of Microsoft product (sorry Bryce and Mat). It refuses to send a simple text message and instead sends an unformatted copy with quoted-printable encoding and without margins. Then it includes a hundred lines of garbage at the end in a format that only that particular Microsoft product can understand. Love them standards. At least it's wrapped in proper MIME headers so modern mailers won't show the garbage but will show the entire first part on one line. The sender really has little control over this. This is a relatively common list management topic. I have the ability to block such messages but I prefer hard-to-read exchange of information over no exchange of information. If only I could fix Jo Ruby's problem. (His/her? messages get eaten by the list software.) In any case, it's not really the sender's fault since they probably don't have a say in what software they're using. On any sizable list you have to expect to see a few messages that look really weird or that your software doesn't handle. That's the price of instantaneous and nearly free global communication. Back to bikes? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:38:36 -0400 To: RogerPrince@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: please I guess a guy who can't read directions. We don't wnat him if he can't get with the program!!!!! In a message dated 96-04-11 19:33:28 EDT, RogerPrince@msn.com (Roger Prince) writes: >From: RogerPrince@msn.com (Roger Prince) > >Who was that masked man? > >From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Tj3768@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 1996 9:03 PM >Subject: please > >Please take me from this list...I didnt sign for it but I've been patient >about it... > >thanks > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:42:57 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tags!! Dave only has Bike!!!! In WA..... WOW.. what a hard core iron butt rider How many miles a year?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: RogerPrince@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: please From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Apr 1996 01:08:59 -0500 Lines: 10 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> I guess a guy who can't read directions. Actually he eventually looked far enough down in the message, because he left shortly after he sent that message. I have no idea how he could have been subscribed without doing it himself, unless AOL reuses identifiers or someone forged a subscribe. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:47:52 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tags!! Jeez, with all the (justified) outrage flying around cyberspace about the cost of tags in various states in our glorious union, I kinda hate to jump in. Oregon renewal - $9.00. For two years. My cage? $15... I'll just kinda tiptoe on outta here now. Bye, bye, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 10:25:42 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Mobile 1 15w50 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/12/96 07:51 ## What brand/weight did you have before and how many miles were on that oil/filter? Any of Golden Spectro, Mobil-1 or Honda HP-4 improve the shifting over non-synthetic oils. I think oil-consumption goes up with the synthetic blends, which all the above oils are. On long trips I use about 1/2qt per 1500mi. The age/mileage of the PC has not been a factor. Both 1990PCs the same. Both also seep oil. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VINCE SANTAMARIA@msn.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/11/96 20:31 ## I took the advice of the group and installed Mobile 1 15w50 yesterday. I can feel a difference in the shifting (really). Also I installed synthetic 90w in the rear end. There were favorable tests on both of the above in MCN. Need tips on changing the engine coolant, clutch and brake fluids. I need a copy of the service manual for a 1990 PC if anyone out there has one to sell. Is there any special tips on synching the carbs? I have guages and have done it on my other bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 10:25:16 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Mobile 1 15w50 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/12/96 08:02 ## Order a Honda service manual from: Cycle Design: 508-249-2244 or Fax 508-249-2109. I got mine for low $30s. Tell them I sent you, I think they won't hang up on you. They had the best mail-order prices on Honda(line) items. $120 backrest, $33.45 air filter, Trunk inner bags 45.60, ufiche 3,70, shop manual 33.31. Plus shipping and tax(?). I bought my 1995 PC there for $6700. I need to ask what their price for the 1996 is. Love that RED. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VINCE SANTAMARIA@msn.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/11/96 20:31 ## I took the advice of the group and installed Mobile 1 15w50 yesterday. I can feel a difference in the shifting (really). Also I installed synthetic 90w in the rear end. There were favorable tests on both of the above in MCN. Need tips on changing the engine coolant, clutch and brake fluids. I need a copy of the service manual for a 1990 PC if anyone out there has one to sell. Is there any special tips on synching the carbs? I have guages and have done it on my other bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 08:44:43 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tag fees Hi Alexander, I live in that overly taxed state of California and it cost me $190 for tags for my new 95 PC. Whenever you pay for anything here you get the pleasure of knowing that although your giving them your hard earned money, they're giving you a roaring case of agida for free >:^{ . But I guess if I have to put up with beauty, comfort, and accessability, I'm going to have to pay my dues. I just wish the club fees weren't so high. Erin Dolin Mountain View, CA Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: " Ramin Keyvan" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:18:01 -0700 "Re: PC800: New Tags!!" (Apr 11, 7:01pm) To: pc800 Subject: Re: New Tags!! Folks, Never forget: they're from the government and they're here to *screw* ..... I mean *help* you! I personally think we should abolish the DMV. It is completely useless and inefficient anyway. It is a quasi-govt. organization and has no authority (publicly mandated or otherwise) to do anything other than take *your* money from *you*! The DMV money here in CA doesn't go for anything useful like *real* driver's education (just watch Californians drive) or to improve the roads. It really is completely unclear what exactly the money does go for (overbloated, useless bureaucrats perhaps?). Erin & I both bought new bikes (mine is a `95 Kawi Concours) at the same time and I'm completely appaled at what the government has ceremoniously ripped from my coffers as well as hers (ruddy bastards!). Anyway, as Erin pointed out, the positive side of living here in Norther CA is that it is a positively perfect place to ride, damn near year-round. I work for a Silicon Valley software firm and when the folks from our London office come here to visit, they almost all want to rent motorcycles and go riding because they can't believe how beautiful it is around here. So, I guess I'll put up (for the time being) with being raped once a year by Big Brother for the priveledge of riding here in paradise :-). Getting down off my soap-box now.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Ramin Keyvan | " Je pense, donc je suis" | |'95 Connie (503 miles on it) | "I think, therefore I am" | |'81 CB-750 Custom (In the shop) | Descartes. | |ramin@tibco.com | --------------------------------------| |AMA#:631581 |Active ignorance should be criminal! | |TIBCO Inc. |---------------------------------------| |http://www.tss.com | Keep it rubber-side down :-) | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 11, 7:01pm, Steve Gross wrote: > Subject: Re: New Tags!! > Alexander D. Gray wrote: > > > > You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! > Washington State has an annual excise tax. Around $140 for my '90, > and $125 for my brother's '89. What really torques me off is that only > 30% goes to the Transportation budget. The rest goes to the General > Fund. > > Ya know, it wouldn't bother me if it was based on something rationally > linked to the benefit -- like if it was based on gross vehicle weight, > and all the money went to transportation, I just wouldn't mind. > > The other thing the hit Dave & I was: We bought the bikes in FLA. > When we moved here and got registered them, we had to pay the > difference in sales tax between FLA and WA because they were > "recreational vehicles." _I've_ got a cage to tool around in, but > Dave's PC is his only form of transportation. gRRRRRRRR! > -- > Steve Gross > "Get the retainer up front." > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. >-- End of excerpt from Steve Gross -- Ramin Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Vincent Santamaria'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Mobile 1 15w50 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:15:43 -0700 >---------- >From: Vincent Santamaria[SMTP:VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 1:31 PM >To: PC800 >Subject: Mobile 1 15w50 > > >Need tips on changing the engine coolant, clutch and brake fluids. I >need a >copy of the service manual for a 1990 PC if anyone out there has one to >sell. >Is there any special tips on synching the carbs? I have guages and have >done >it on my other bikes. I just pulled the main hose from underneath and let it all drain. Siphoned out the reservoir under the right dash pocket. Front brake bleeding needs the front fender removed. The clutch can be bled by removing the black plastic access panel by your left foot. Get some vinyl tubing, 1/8" I believe, the fit on the nipples and prevent spillage. Synching carbs: The vacumn connect on the left side is a hose that runs to the fuel petcock (rear of airbox, can't miss it). Remove the hose connections closest to the carb and then apply a little vacumn to it and pinch it off with a clamp. The vacumn opens up the fuel petcock. The other vacumn connection is on the right side and is difficult to spot. It's mirror image of the left and has a small rubber plug over the end. With needle-noze pliers and steady hands take it off and hook up your guages. The balancing screw is phillips head and is accessed through a slot in the top of the airbox. I think it's about 8 inches down so you'll need a long phillips driver. I use a flashlight to find it everytime. Enjoy! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Apr 96 15:12:25 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: Re Koni Shocks Hi all Yesterday I talked to a guy from the motorcycle department within Koni Headquarters in Holland. He told me that there is no specific technical sheet he could offer me after explaining that I am a member of the mailing list and the desperate need for more information from all of us. They developed the shocks as the originals are rubbish in his view, specially riding with two up. But he emphasizes that although the Koni ones give a certain improvement, the rear tire also has a great influence on the behaviour of the bike. The Koni's are adjustable but the preload has to be set without the trunk on the bike. You can't change it without taking off the trunk. Prices over here are roughly the same as in the States. It is Dutch guilders 190 per shock (US$ 115 incl. tax) compared to US$ 199 a pair, excl. tax Regards Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: New Tags!! Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:01:40 -0700 Texas cost me $40 for MC tags for my PC, but... While I can go to the service counter in most supermarkets to buy tags for my cage, I have to go to DMV for the bike. That means I must stand in line for about an hour, which I did on a Tuesday. Couldn't help but notice that the clerks would close their stations to go on breaks. Now where can I come up with a scam which will have people standing in line for an hour to give me money without asking anything in return?? >'89 PC800 "SkyWalker" bought out of the box in April '92 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Apr 96 15:51:04 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 Subject: Re: Re: KLUB Idea Just my $.02, too......... HSTA is a great outfit and is open to all riders. Mike Morris, the STAReview Editor, is always looking for things to publish in his "filthy rag." He'd probably be able to find space for a regular "PC Corner" if someone would be able to come up with a regular article for him to count on. I, on the other hand, am not much of a "joiner" and would support a PC owners group, but would be happier if it could more of a "phantom branch" within the HSTA. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4  ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:31:30 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tag fees I thought I was going to be so cool by living here in Wyoming. As I read those horror stories I was feeling very lucky to live in a anti-goverment state(we are not to far from The Freeman). Not bad for a bed wetting libreal from NY. So today I stolled down to the couty clerks office with a big smile on my face> I was going to register my new 95 PC800. "OH MY GOD! You mean for a bike that I can only ride for 6 months of the year I have to pay How Much?" That right. In the I hate big government state of Wyoming it cost me $130. for a ONE year registration. Now to be fair there is no state income tax. And over all the cost of living here is dirt cheap. But really, 6 months of riding for $130? CA and AZ, you guys got off cheap when you average the cost per days that you can ride. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:09:23 -0500 (CDT) Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:10:46 -0400 (EDT) To: KlassC@aol.com From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tag fees Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu But really, 6 months of riding for $130? BUT if you ride twice as much during those six months that would be getting a whole year of riding in for a measly $130. Besides when your 95 you would be glad to pay twice that much to ride six months. You just have to put things in prespective. And remember - People have more fun than anyone else!! Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 13:34:43 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: klassc@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tag fees REPLY TO 04/12/96 13:01 FROM KlassC@aol.com: Re: PC800: Tag fees Touche' Chris, I do find it hard to believe that Wyoming charges that much for a fee for 6 months of riding. We can conceivably ride year round here in the beautiful Bay Area of California. But we do have state income tax (boy, do we have taxes), one of the highest costs of living in the country, and high crime. But on the other hand, we have the best restaurants in the country, the Napa Valley and Sonoma wine regions, the Monterey Peninsula, San Francisco. Come to think of it....why am I complaining? :^) Take care and try to get your 6 months worth of riding in. Keep the rubber side down. Erin (smell that sourdough baking and crabs cooking on Fisherman's Wharf ... drool, drool) Dolin Mountain View, CA (30 miles S of San Fran, 10 miles N of San Jose) Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu P.S. My apologies to all of you snow bound people back east. I know I wasn't playing fair. I'll go to my own sandbox now with my own toys and my own Pacific Coast sand. That's the non-freezing type. Oops, sorry again. How long do you have to wait during spring thaw before the ice melts and you can retrieve the frozen sand shovels and buckets from an east coast sandbox? Ohmygosh, there I go again. Ducking from the flying snowshoes and portable heaters now..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 19:36:26 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: REJECTED: Reply to: Mobile 1 15w50 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/12/96 19:36 ## My mailer didn't like that space after VINCE. Sorry. CEO document contents: ----- Mail rejected by CEO. ----- (CEO_POA) Remote Name Server unavailable. Mail not sent to:Roger Prince@DGC.ceo ----- Unsent message follows ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com Cc: pc800@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Mobile 1 15w50 CEO document contents: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/12/96 08:02 ## Order a Honda service manual from: Cycle Design: 508-249-2244 or Fax 508-249-2109. I got mine for low $30s. Tell them I sent you, I think they won't hang up on you. They had the best mail-order prices on Honda(line) items. $120 backrest, $33.45 air filter, Trunk inner bags 45.60, ufiche 3,70, shop manual 33.31. Plus shipping and tax(?). I bought my 1995 PC there for $6700. I need to ask what their price for the 1996 is. Love that RED. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VINCE SANTAMARIA@msn.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/11/96 20:31 ## I took the advice of the group and installed Mobile 1 15w50 yesterday. I can feel a difference in the shifting (really). Also I installed synthetic 90w in the rear end. There were favorable tests on both of the above in MCN. Need tips on changing the engine coolant, clutch and brake fluids. I need a copy of the service manual for a 1990 PC if anyone out there has one to sell. Is there any special tips on synching the carbs? I have guages and have done it on my other bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 02:48:11 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Erin Dolin" , klassc@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Tag fees May your sourdough go sweet. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Erin Dolin Sent: Friday, April 12, 1996 1:34 PM To: klassc@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tag fees REPLY TO 04/12/96 13:01 FROM KlassC@aol.com: Re: PC800: Tag fees Touche' Chris, I do find it hard to believe that Wyoming charges that much for a fee for 6 months of riding. We can conceivably ride year round here in the beautiful Bay Area of California. But we do have state income tax (boy, do we have taxes), one of the highest costs of living in the country, and high crime. But on the other hand, we have the best restaurants in the country, the Napa Valley and Sonoma wine regions, the Monterey Peninsula, San Francisco. Come to think of it....why am I complaining? :^) Take care and try to get your 6 months worth of riding in. Keep the rubber side down. Erin (smell that sourdough baking and crabs cooking on Fisherman's Wharf ... drool, drool) Dolin Mountain View, CA (30 miles S of San Fran, 10 miles N of San Jose) Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu P.S. My apologies to all of you snow bound people back east. I know I wasn't playing fair. I'll go to my own sandbox now with my own toys and my own Pacific Coast sand. That's the non-freezing type. Oops, sorry again. How long do you have to wait during spring thaw before the ice melts and you can retrieve the frozen sand shovels and buckets from an east coast sandbox? Ohmygosh, there I go again. Ducking from the flying snowshoes and portable heaters now..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com cc: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Alter Subject: Re: Subscribe To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Answer to above is "no" - negative. Bike rides beautifully. Only thing I can think of is the road surface. I don't know if Florida highways use the same material. Could it be more abrasive? Possible. Anyway, thank. Joe Joseph Alter retla@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >One negative. The > >bike eats tires. 5 to 6M miles and that is it!. > >Looking forward to hearing from you. > >Joe > > Does your Right wrist hurt after a long ride? This may be a clue to your > tire dilema :-) > > > > Sincere thanks > Dentman711@AOL.COM > > ******************************************************************** > > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) > > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat (cat for sale or trade :-) > > HSTA # 6578 > AMA # None yet > > $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > > ******************************************************************** > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:00:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >I just got off the phone with the Koni tech support dept. The Koni > >shocks are for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. They > >have a 4-way spring preload adjustment and have a knurled damping > >adjuster at the top. I don't know if the damping adjuster would be > >accessible on bike. Koni (KY?) 1-800-922-2616. C-A = $199.49 > >They are rebildable by Koni or "authorized dealer". > > WOW! That sounds like a real good shock. I bet someone over seas could > round up a report on these shocks in a magazine, assuming they tested > them over in Holland. > Having damping ability alone would make these a better shock than the > factory ones. As long as the spring rates were good and the damping close > enough that the adjuster worked. I haven't seen test of these, but have heard from other owners the shocks are great. Most people in the dutch PC club have a White Power front/Koni rear setting and are very pleased. I might change to this setting also, considering the way I ride. I'll try to get some feedback from the club and mail it here also. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Apr 96 22:25:54 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: 4th Southern California Ride Well, folks, it's that time again! Our fourth monthly Southern California Ride is set for Saturday, April 20th. Editor's Note: Due to the uproar caused by last month's ride announcement, and the unbelievably prolonged winter weather on the East Coast, the following description has been edited in deference to our understandably grouchy and cabin-feverish eastern brothers and sisters. Our ride will again begin at the fashionable Carrows Restaurant in Fountain Valley; exit I-405 at Brookhurst (South), and it's on the west (right) side before the first signal (Talbert). Again, arrive prepared to eat at 9:00 or prepared to ride at 10:00. Be sure to bundle up, as it will be quite chilly at that time of the morning. Then it's off on our ride! We'll slab it north and west via 405, 605 and 210 to Pasadena, ducking behind our windscreens to avoid the vicious nor'wester which we will be bucking. Once past Pasadena, we will turn onto the arrow-straight, boring Angeles Crest Highway and into the flat and visually monotonous San Gabriel Mountains. After an expensive and virtually-inedible lunch at one of the obscure and motorcyclist-hating roadside restaurants, we will turn our hypothermic bodies and congealed cycles back toward the LA Basin via the bland, depressing San Gabriel Canyon Road - assuming icy/snowy conditions haven't closed it (this part is no joke! I took this route just last week - at 7,000 feet up, there is still snow on the "backside" of the San Gabriel Mountains - and not just way up at the top, but right by the side of the road! You could reach out and touch it, if for some insane reason you wanted to. And yes, the SG Cyn road really was closed). Hope to see everybody within 500 miles of Southern California there! Steve S. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:54:49 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Tag Fees Geez!! I forgot how expensive California really is. I just renewed the tags on my 89 PC and it cost $48.15. But that's probably cause there ain't nowhere to go 'cept round and round in a circle. I would really love to actually see someone go interstate on "Interstate H 1" (I'd even be satisfied with just interisland). Aloha, Ron (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:04:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:04:29 -0700 To: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM>, PC800 From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Re: KLUB Idea cory....my experince with the HSTA in this neck of the woods was pleasant enought, but much more SPORT than touring...I have a PC because I DON"T want to haul ass through twisties all day long..I'd love a group of just us... dave Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:07:53 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: A "new" arrival I have been a member of the list for about 6 weeks and have had my tongue hanging out as I didn't have a PC and wanted one badly. I can no longer say that. I bought an '89 yesterday with 6900 miles on it for $3750. Stock except for the higher Honda windshield and in "super" condition. Can't wait to pick it up. Gonna take a while to wipe the smile off of my face. Special thanks to Tim Macy and Bryce Ulrich for personal posts. You guys have been really helpful to me. I now feel like I am more a part of the group. The information has been really useful. Thanks to Jason for keeping this list going and providing us with the means of communicating with each other. Sometimes, we forget that without you, we wouldn't be doing this. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 13 Apr 96 13:26:40 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: Ron Pacholec , PC800 Subject: Re: Tag Fees Guess I can't complain. I just wrote a check to the Alaska DMV for $40.00. That was for a one year renewal on both the "Turtle" and the old Ascot. Always wondered about having an "Interstate system" on Hawaii. We don't have any here at all. Nature is pretty and all, but it sure would be nice to have a smooth, straight shot from here to civilization! 'bout the quickest way to get to civilization from here is to die! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot  for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:10:29 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 08:09:00 -0700 From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: Pacific Coast Listing Subject: 1996 PC 800 Stuff.... All, I have been lurking around here for about 3 weeks and finally decided to chip in my two cents worth. I am the proud new owner of a 1996 RED Pacific Coast. Have been riding in the Albuquerque, NM area for about a week and have been getting about 48.0 - 50.0 miles to the gallon. I have been using various super grade fuels. The bike is very responsive and corners well. Things that I am looking for and could use some help finding are a back-lite clock to place on one of the speaker panels. And is there any way to change the exaust to get a deeper rumble WITHOUT voiding warrenty, and without cutting mileage???? Last but not least, has anyone tried to mount a radar unit on the PC's dash????? Thanks in advance for all the great tips, and tricks. Robert P. Mathews CNA, CNE ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 20:32:09 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800" Subject: Tips on PC Maintenance Bryce, Thanks for the tips on fluid changes. I just completed changing the clutch fluid and the engine coolant as you suggested. I got a taste of antifreeze when I siphoned out the overflow tank. Not bad. I'll do the brakes when I change the front tire. Ml2's seem to be hard to find. My dealer's order has been on back order for some time. Does anyone out there have a good stock windshield for a 1990 PC? Mine has a few blemishes. The stock windshield is not too bad with the Corbin seat. I will add the Saend edging soon. It worked well on my previous PC. Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:53:19 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: The BIG renege Reported that I had bought an '89 PC yesterday. I was higher than a kite and eager to pick it up on Sunday. The big blow occurred this morning when the guy I bought it from called me up and cancelled the deal. Claimed his wife didn't know he was selling the bike and she didn't want him to sell it because she wanted to go on a trip this summer. My kite crashed big time...:-( I don't know if the guy is b-s-ing me or not. In any event, I need to scour the ads once again and hope the guy sends my $100 back that I gave him to hold the bike. Talk about going from a high to a low...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'Sebastiaan Kruit'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Reply to: Koni shocks Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:03:15 -0400 Who is White Power? What kind of front end mods do they sell? I have = the Konis on order and would like to match them with something = appropriate in the front. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Sebastiaan Kruit[SMTP:bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 7:00 PM To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM; pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks=20 On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >I just got off the phone with the Koni tech support dept. The Koni=20 > >shocks are for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. They=20 > >have a 4-way spring preload adjustment and have a knurled damping=20 > >adjuster at the top. I don't know if the damping adjuster would be=20 > >accessible on bike. Koni (KY?) 1-800-922-2616. C-A =3D $199.49 > >They are rebildable by Koni or "authorized dealer". >=20 > WOW! That sounds like a real good shock. I bet someone over seas could = > round up a report on these shocks in a magazine, assuming they tested=20 > them over in Holland.=20 > Having damping ability alone would make these a better shock than the = > factory ones. As long as the spring rates were good and the damping = close=20 > enough that the adjuster worked. I haven't seen test of these, but have heard from other owners the = shocks=20 are great. Most people in the dutch PC club have a White Power = front/Koni=20 rear setting and are very pleased. I might change to this setting also,=20 considering the way I ride. I'll try to get some feedback from the club and mail it here also. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: Windshield suggestion Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:21:13 -0400 I'd like to pass on a windshield approach that I have found works very = well. I tried the stock windshield, the tall Hondaline windshield, and = the Rifle 24". The best of those was the Rifle. The only problem was = in rain or mountain fog that turned the windshield nearly opaque or = masked the road when hit by headlights at night. It was very quiet but = it was pretty hard to get a little extra cooling on hot days by sticking = my head up and sitting up really straight. I finally took my saber saw to the Rifle windshield on one hot day and = ended up with a very nice "Brooklands" shield. Great for hot days, but = not much else. I finally used the tape and the two pieces to determine that a 16 3/4" = high Rifle 'shield would allow me to peek over it when needed and with = just a slight slouch tuck into the silence bubble on the intestates. I = ordered that height from Rifle as a replacement for just 'shield part = and it has worked very well all conditions. It's been a significant = edge when dodging deer and potholes at night to be able to see ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:24:24 -0400 To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Stock Shield I took my stock sheild off my 95 after only 300 miles. If it will fit yours I would be willing to work something out. Chris Klass PS I woke to 2 inches of snow and now its a gusting blizzard. Whats going on? Don't the Gods know I am trying to ride? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:36:35 -0400 To: Cc: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) Subject: Re: 1996 PC 800 Stuff.... On Sat, Apr 13, 1996 8:09:00 AM, Robert Mathews wrote: >Things that I am looking for and could use some help finding are a back-lite >clock to place on one of the speaker panels. I use one of those $7.50 jobbies from Radio sheack that mounts with double sided tape. The clock slips out for theft-proofing, but I find I'm more likely to misplace it than have it stolen, even here in the big apple. >Last >but not least, has anyone tried to mount a radar unit on the PC's dash????? I've seen a suction cup mount (also from Radio Shack) onto the windshield. ........................................................................... The value of the average conversation could be enormously improved by the constant use of four simple words: "I do not know." -Andre Maurois Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Apr 96 05:57:18 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Vincent Santamaria" , KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Stock Shield Maybe the GODs from the NorthEast have gone west for a holiday. I damned sure hope so. I now have a 1990 PC with 23 miles on it. I wonder if I can fool a salesman into a good deal on that nice red 1996 I looked at today. Sure is a pretty bike. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman *FRANKLIN, MA ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of KlassC@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 1996 7:24 PM To: Vincent Santamaria Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Stock Shield I took my stock sheild off my 95 after only 300 miles. If it will fit yours I would be willing to work something out. Chris Klass PS I woke to 2 inches of snow and now its a gusting blizzard. Whats going on? Don't the Gods know I am trying to ride? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:01:30 -0500 (CDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jeff Hopkins Please include me in your PC800 subscriber list. My name is: Jeff Hopkins Location is: Norman, Ok. E-Mail add : hopkinsj@telepath.com I own a: '89 PC Bought: : Used in May of '94 Mods : Tall windshield and backrest. for ; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:30:00 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:24:02 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: 1996 PC 800 Stuff.... i have a round analog clock mounted with velcro in the center of my tach. The clock was from Brookstone - $12.50. Can see it clearly - has black numbers against a white back. about the size of a half dollar so it doesnt' interfere with reading the tach. just have to take it off if the weather turns bad. it's not waterproof.. -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Apr 96 10:45:28 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@CompuServe.COM> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@CompuServe.COM>, Brad Mobley <76241.1063@CompuServe.COM>, Mike Morris <76401.1325@CompuServe.COM>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@CompuServe.COM>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@CompuServe.COM>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@CompuServe.COM>, Lynn Weas <75407.237@CompuServe.COM> Subject: PC owners club...etc. This subject has come up before...here are my two cents worth... The framework, etc. of a club are already in place with the HSTA. The STAReview newsletter is available for the use of all members, including PC owners, that have questions or need assistance. Editor Mike Morris is always looking for good material...send him some! The list server is working well for day-to-day requests for info. We will have a PC owners group session at STAR '96. I do not think that it would work well to combine PC owners with ST owners in one group, except as it already exists in the HSTA... IMHO, I suggest that we use the combination of the list server and the HSTA. We (PC owners) are not a big group, but we can work well together in these two areas... Someone inquired about the future of the PC...I have no official info, nothing but a gut feeling, but I will not be surprised if the production ends with the '96 model year. We have 111 PC owners in 35 states according to our HSTA membership list. If you're not a member, I invite you to join... If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, we have close to 2,000 members and more than 100 Pacific Coast owners within our ranks! We plan to have a meeting of PC owners at STAR '96, our 14th national rally, to be held June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. I hope to see you there! So...SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll fill up your mail box!! I have a 1990 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast with 64,000 trouble-free miles. It runs and looks almost like new! In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. We're going places...crank up that PC and ride along with us! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go ridiing!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Apr 96 15:34:42 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News Hi to all, Can anyone help me with some information about how to get a subscription to the Motorcycle Consumer News magazine. It seems not to be available at news stands. I would appreciate to get any information on prices and perhaps a fax number, so I could order from the Netherlands. Thanks very much Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 magna ==> 1994: 1989 PC800 ==> 1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 23:52:48 -0400 To: ruf@nconnect.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: The BIG renege I say we hunt the bastard down and......... well, the guys on rec.moto would know what to do.... Any DoD ers out there?? HELP!!!!! for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 06:04:50 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 05:58:45 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News MCN P.O. Box 6050 Mission Miajo, CA 92690 U.S.A. voice: 714/855-8822 fax: 714/855-0654 e-mail: MCN.FRED@GENIE.GEIS.COM (have not found this to be reliable) Hope you can get a subscription. I find this to be an extremely useful publication. I keep all my old one for reference, and often find myself digging through them! Good Luck! -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 07:47:56 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 07:48 ## I'll let you know. First thing I will do is compare them to the 1990 shocks I have sitting on the shelf, then I'll go from there. This list has created a run on the Koni shocks. Is everybody ordering from Competition Accessories @$99.49plus shipping? The message from Holland says preload is not adjustable without removing the trunk. Too bad. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/11/96 08:04 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 08:04 ## I don't know what the 91-93 means. That's on Koni's app sheet and the Koni tech guy knew less than I did. He was quite surprised when I told him the US model years being evrything but 91-93. I'll let you know if they fit the 90 or 95, one or both? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/10/96 15:45 ## At 01:25 PM 4/10/96 edt, you wrote: for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. Roger, Does this mean that there were PC built for the 91-93 year but just not imported into this country? Also does this mean the koni shocks will not fit the 89-90 models.? Thanks Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 07:52:08 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Dave_Steven)_steven@Capital.Net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Forwarded: REJECTED: Reply to: Mobile 1 15w50 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 07:52 ## Per pair. They come two in a Hondaline box. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Dave Steven) steven@Capital.Net:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/12/96 20:18 ## >Trunk inner bags 45.60 Is that for a pair, or each ? ############################################################################ Looking for a Dave Steven Ferrari Mondial 52 Payn Avenue 3.2 Cabriolet Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 Today's weather in the Northeast: A rainy wknd. in store; at least no snow ! ############################################################################ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 07:58:46 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Bob_Rufener)_ruf@nconnect.net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: The BIG renege ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 07:59 ## Get your $100 and, from his wife, get $8599 for mental anguish and suffering. Then buy a 1996. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Bob Rufener) ruf@nconnect.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/13/96 10:53 ## and eager to pick it up on Sunday. The big blow occurred this morning when the guy I bought it from called me up and cancelled the deal. Claimed his wife didn't know he was selling the bike and she didn't want him to sell it because she wanted to go on a trip this summer. My kite crashed big time...:-( I don't know if the guy is b-s-ing me or not. In any event, I need to scour the ads once again and hope the guy sends my $100 back that I gave him to hold the bike. Talk about going from a high to a low...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 08:02:36 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, VINCE.SANRAMARIA@msn.com Subject: Reply to: Tips on PC Maintenance ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 08:03 ## Try Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse. Check mags for 800#. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VINCE SANTAMARIA@msn.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/13/96 20:32 ## Bryce, Thanks for the tips on fluid changes. I just completed changing the clutch fluid and the engine coolant as you suggested. I got a taste of antifreeze when I siphoned out the overflow tank. Not bad. I'll do the brakes when I change the front tire. Ml2's seem to be hard to find. My dealer's order has been on back order for some time. Does anyone out there have a good stock windshield for a 1990 PC? Mine has a few blemishes. The stock windshield is not too bad with the Corbin seat. I will add the Saend edging soon. It worked well on my previous PC. Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 09:22:56 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Reply to: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Koni shocks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 09:23 ## CORRECTION: Koni Shocks from Competition Accessories at $199.49/pr. Not $99.49. Roger CEO document contents: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 07:48 ## I'll let you know. First thing I will do is compare them to the 1990 shocks I have sitting on the shelf, then I'll go from there. This list has created a run on the Koni shocks. Is everybody ordering from Competition Accessories @$99.49plus shipping? The message from Holland says preload is not adjustable without removing the trunk. Too bad. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/11/96 08:04 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/11/96 08:04 ## I don't know what the 91-93 means. That's on Koni's app sheet and the Koni tech guy knew less than I did. He was quite surprised when I told him the US model years being evrything but 91-93. I'll let you know if they fit the 90 or 95, one or both? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/10/96 15:45 ## At 01:25 PM 4/10/96 edt, you wrote: for the 91-93??PC800 and were developed in Holland. Roger, Does this mean that there were PC built for the 91-93 year but just not imported into this country? Also does this mean the koni shocks will not fit the 89-90 models.? Thanks Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:24:55 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News Greetings Willem: Motorcycle Consumer News is available only by subscription. The address for their subscription department is: Motorcycle Consumer News Subscription Division P.O. Box 420234 Palm Coast, FL 32142-0234 They list a telephone number of (904) 445-4608, but they list no FAX number. The editorial offices for MCN are in Mission Viejo, California. They have a FAX number--(714) 855-0654--and an email address--mcn.fred@genie.geis.com--, but they would probably refer you to the subscription department if you were to contact them using either of these. The current subscription prices are $29.00 for 12 issues or $43.00 for 24 issues (Subscribers outside of the US must pay an additional postage charge of $16.00 per year for surface mail/$28.00 for air mail). This is considerably higher than other motorcycle magazines, because they accept no commercial advertising and must support the entire cost of publication through subscription revenues. They do this so that they can remain completely unbiased in their reporting, and I find this well worth the extra cost. I also appreciate not having to wade through all of the advertising hype (50% or more of the other magazines) to get to the information. I hope this information proves to be useful to you. JT for ; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:56:03 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Ray To: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: Possible owner Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:45:57 -0500 I'm considering buying a PC800 and thought I'd ask the list for advice! The major concern I have is whether I'll fit on one. No local dealers = stock a PC800 (or an ST1100 for that matter) so I haven't been able to = try one out here. I'm 6' 3", and currently ride a Nighthawk 750. Any 6 = footers out there in the club that can help? =20 >From what I've read, it appears as if the Corbin seat lowers the seat = height 1.5" and contains an adjustable lumbar support. Both mods appear = useless to a taller rider!!! I had a 4"-over Rifle fairing on a previous bike and the additional = height helped tremendously. My experience tells me I need something approx. 22.5" over the headlight. Is this = where the tall shields reach? What audio systems are available? Is there a Hondaline system = available? Does it work well? Thanks in advance! Bob Ray. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:05:23 -0400 To: raybob@traveller.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Possible owner Hi Bob, Send us some more info on yourself and I'll pu you in the address book, age, job, phone number..... Also, I'm 6'2" with the stock seat and the Rifle 4+. I replaced the stock shield about 2 weeks after I got the bike. I feel a tremendous pain in my shoulders after a ride of any distance, (30 miles) and I think that's because... A) It's been too cold to ride (Chicago) but I've been doing it anyway. B) The shield is a bit too short and I "hunch down" to get behind it. I have a 32" to 34" inseam. I don't know if this means I have a "long body" or not but those are my dimensions. I think that once the weather warms up, I may like having a bit of wind. Or not. However, I think that for cool weather, us BIG guys (or gals) will need the Rifle +6 for complete protection. This was as large a shield as they wanted to make. Hope that helps. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:58:28 -0400 Apparently-To: Roger_Prince@dgc.mceo.dg.com Apparently-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu or me and Tony to go "speak" to this man and his wife and make them "understand" why it is important for them to want to sell this bike to you? With Respect Vinnie Bagodonuts & Tony Potsandpans ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:18:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Bob Ray Cc: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: Re: Possible owner On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Bob Ray wrote: > I'm considering buying a PC800 and thought I'd ask the list for advice! > > The major concern I have is whether I'll fit on one. No local dealers > stock a PC800 (or an ST1100 for that matter) so I haven't been able to > try one out here. I'm 6' 3", and currently ride a Nighthawk 750. Any 6 > footers out there in the club that can help? > > Thanks in advance! > Bob Ray. Hi Bob, I am 6-4, and the PC fits me nicely. I have done several multi-day trips and a couple of 1000+ mile days, (don't ask about speeding ;) and have been very happy with the bike. I have the stock seat with honda backrest, and the tall honda windshield. The stock seat is excellent IMHO, and I ain't interested in lowering it. ;) I find that the large shield allows the helmet to get batted around a bit by turbulence if I sit very upright. With a very slight hunch, I am in a nearly silent cocoon. This is easy to accomplish in more spirited riding, because the natural tendency is to lean forward a bit. When I am not worried about coverage, I put the stock shield back on. My helmet/shoulders are in the wind more, but I don't get the buffeting that results from having the head in the edge of the large low pressure pocket behind the larger shield. I assume this wouldn't be a problem for smaller riders. The ST's coverage is very different (less). I have only ridden one for about 70 miles, but loved it. Vastly more power than the PC. :) I did notice the knee touching the lowers that some have mentioned, but it didn't bother me. However, this might change on longer rides. Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:23:51 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Getting into Neutral I have a 95 with only 700 miles. I changes the oils at 500 miles and will do it again at 1000. I don't abuse the bike. I do, however, sometimes ride a little heavy on the gas. Never passing the recomended rpm until breakin occurs. My problem is getting the bike into neutral. Its easier from 1st than it is from second. But all that means is that frim first it can take 5 tries, and from 2nd, forget it. Does anyone else have this problem or a solution? I am heading back to NYC and the thought of sitting at the tollbooth and trying to get the bike in neutral while angry motorists are honking away is not pretty. Hey, but its their problem that they are stuck in a cage. They probably are just jelous. Come to think of it, forget it. I want to be as slow as possible. Hey, was that a bottle that just landed next to my bike? Maybe I do need some advice on how to fix this. Thanks, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:24:00 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cutting a Screen I am thinking about cutting down my stock screen if I need the wind to cool me this summer. I am 5'11" with a 31 inch inseem. Most of my height is in my torso (Ohh Wee, I'm a good lookin guy). Anyhow, I want my head to be in clean air so it is not so damn noisy. Has anyone done this, how much did you take off, how did you take it off, how did you smooth the edges, does it look like crap, etc..? Thanks Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800 mail list'" , "'Bob Ray'" Subject: RE: Possible owner Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:10:57 -0700 The Hondaline AM/FM radio is long since out of production. The speakers went in the dash and the radio unit mounted in the trunk. A few controls along the left grip. Those who have audio have gone with tankbag units or walkman's in the coat pocket. A few have speakers in the dash with an amplifier in the trunk. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Bob Ray[SMTP:raybob@Traveller.COM] >Sent: Monday, April 15, 1996 6:45 AM >To: 'PC800 mail list' >Subject: Possible owner > > >What audio systems are available? Is there a Hondaline system >available? Does it work well? > >Thanks in advance! >Bob Ray. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Getting into Neutral Chris, I have 57,000 + on my PC and it still takes some "fishing" with my toe to get it in neutral. That's its nature. We have few toll booths in California, but when I am at one, I simply put it down into first gear, hit the kill switch to "off", pay the toll, kill switch back on "run", hit the starter and away I go! (takes longer to tell than to do). I've always done this and it will not hurt anything for the short period of time you do it. I've had NO electrical repairs in 57K miles. Of course, you can also switch the ignition off - only takes a second, and the gloves usually have to come off anyway to pay the toll. The only time my bike is in neutral is to warm it up. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 13:27:22 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Getting into Neutral ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/15/96 13:27 ## I would recommend getting into neutral while still moving. After 3000 miles I suggest going to a synthetic blend oil. The one I found most effective in smoothing shifting in Honda HP4 10w40. Mobil-1 and Golden Spectro are right up there with HP4. That plus further break-in should result in some improvement but it will never be raelly smooth. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 04/15/96 12:23 ## I have a 95 with only 700 miles. I changes the oils at 500 miles and will do it again at 1000. I don't abuse the bike. I do, however, sometimes ride a little heavy on the gas. Never passing the recomended rpm until breakin occurs. My problem is getting the bike into neutral. Its easier from 1st than it is from second. But all that means is that frim first it can take 5 tries, and from 2nd, forget it. Does anyone else have this problem or a solution? I am heading back to NYC and the thought of sitting at the tollbooth and trying to get the bike in neutral while angry motorists are honking away is not pretty. Hey, but its their problem that they are stuck in a cage. They probably are just jelous. Come to think of it, forget it. I want to be as slow as possible. Hey, was that a bottle that just landed next to my bike? Maybe I do need some advice on how to fix this. Thanks, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:51:19 -0300 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Getting *out* of Neutral Hello, all. My problem is not getting *into* neutral- it's a little fussy, but most cycles are. I can get into neutral while coasting to a stop from second, for instance, pretty reliably. But one thing I was going to write about last week, was getting *out* of neutral. My trannie has the annoying habit of, when I have the clutch in and kick down from neutral, of making a very convincing CLUNK and the bike makes a small lurch forward, but remaining in neutral- the dash light stays on. But if I'm trying to look cool at the lights, casually kick down just before the light goes green, then open the clutch and throttle, half the time I'm left with an embarrassing VROOOOOOOMMM. Better to glance at the dash. Anyone else's do this? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@nmti.com (Tom McBride) Subject: PC800 Neutral To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:19:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mcbride@nmti.com (thomas mcbride) Chris (KlassC@aol.com) writes about neutrality on his PC: ++I have a 95 with only 700 miles. I changes the oils at 500 miles and will do ++it again at 1000. I don't abuse the bike. I do, however, sometimes ride a ++little heavy on the gas. Never passing the recomended rpm until breakin ++occurs. My problem is getting the bike into neutral. Its easier from 1st ++than it is from second. But all that means is that frim first it can take 5 ++tries, and from 2nd, forget it. Does anyone else have this problem or a ++solution? This is one of the very few problems I have with my '90, although I don't think my problem is as pronounced: I can get into neutral, but it's a very vague, hunt-and-peck type of procedure that seems out of character with the bike. Once I'm stopped and in 1st gear, I have to lift up on the shifter v-e-r-y easily to have any hope of getting into neutral, and even then, I likely as not will miss it, and will try getting into it from above (2nd gear). It's not at all uncommon to have to repeat this sequence a time or two before *finally* getting into neutral. My clutch seems to disengage fine, so I don't think it's a clutch problem. I do have experience with a Kawasaki Voyager and a KZ1100, both with Kaswasaki's Positive Neutral Finder (tm): with either of these bikes, once you're stopped and have downshifted all the way into 1st, one click up puts you into neutral every time, and gets you spoiled in a hurry, as compared to the PC. My PC has had this symptom, basically unchanged, through both regular 10W40 oil and Castrol 5W50 Syntec. I used to have an '81 GL-500 Silverwing, which, although not as bad, still had this same Vague Neutral Finder (tm) syndrome. So perhaps this is just a Honda "feature", and not really a problem, just a nuisance. Tom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: nerd@percy.rain.com Subject: PC800 for Sale Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:51:04 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill I am asking for $2500 but may be willing to deal a bit. It's an '89 with about 31k miles. The engine, shocks, tires, brakes are all in excellent shape but the body- work sports some dings and scratches. The bike was bought new by a woman back east and this was her first bike. If I had to make a guess it was laid down several times at very low speeds (driveway type stuff) but never at high speed. One fork leg started leaking about 700 miles ago and I had both legs rebuilt (new seals, sliders, fluid, etc...), she has Metzler Marathon ML2 both front and rear with about 2000 miles on them as I didn't like the way the original Dunlops made the bike feel. There is a new air filter and all the fluids have been changed regularly since I bought it. Judging from what came out when the first round of changes were done, everything was maintained pretty well before I got it. I did talk to the previous owner who said she had been happy with the bike but wanted to upgrade to a Gold Wing. Reason for selling: I bought at ST1100... I'd be willing to deliver to Washington or Oregon, of course buyers from anywhere are more than welcome to come get her! -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:41:27 -0400 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Getting into Neutral I am begining to realize that what you have described will be my plan of action. If you have ever been to the east you will find out quickly that never does more than 15-30 minutes goes buy without paying a damn toll. Hey those toll takes making 50-80k a year need the money. Sorry if any of you out there are toll takers! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 20:07:43 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "Daniel MacKay" , pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Getting *out* of Neutral Sounds like your clutch hydralics need to be bleed. I had this happen on my Vulcan 1500. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Daniel MacKay Sent: Monday, April 15, 1996 1:51 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Getting *out* of Neutral Hello, all. My problem is not getting *into* neutral- it's a little fussy, but most cycles are. I can get into neutral while coasting to a stop from second, for instance, pretty reliably. But one thing I was going to write about last week, was getting *out* of neutral. My trannie has the annoying habit of, when I have the clutch in and kick down from neutral, of making a very convincing CLUNK and the bike makes a small lurch forward, but remaining in neutral- the dash light stays on. But if I'm trying to look cool at the lights, casually kick down just before the light goes green, then open the clutch and throttle, half the time I'm left with an embarrassing VROOOOOOOMMM. Better to glance at the dash. Anyone else's do this? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:44:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cutting a Screen and Finding Neutral Hi Chris, I've cut down several shields in the past, and it's is no problem. I used a saber saw with a medium blade (I think they actually make one specifically for this job, but I used what I had). I covered the area to be cut and the area of contact with the saw foot with masking tape to draw the cut line and to protect the rest of the shield from scratching. During the cut, I took it slow to stay "on the line" and to minimize the heat stress. After cutting, I smoothed the edge using some sand paper. Actually, I gave a PC shield that had been cut down to a friend of mine for her to try on her machine. She has since sold the PC, but I'm not sure whether the extra shield went with it. I'll get in touch with her, and if it's still available, you can have it. It may not be the right height (I think it was a little over a foot tall), but if not it would serve as a reference point. I'll let you know. Trouble getting into neutral is almost always the result of a slight clutch drag. The clutch may be disengaged in the sense that there isn't enough torque being transmitted to overcome the inertia and rolling friction of the bike. However, there is frequently a slight drag either because the clutch plates are still in slight contact or because the oil in a wet clutch has enough viscosity to apply some pressure to the output plate. Either way, the resulting pressure on the gears makes shifting difficult, especially when there is no forward movement. It is easier to get into neutral if you do so before coming to a complete stop. Once stopped, it sometimes helps to let the bike ease forward using the friction zone of the clutch then making the shift to neutral before the bike comes to a complete stop again. As a last resort, simply shut down the engine with the engine cutoff switch. This removes the pressure from the gears and permits any easy shift to neutral. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 16:44:40 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Getting *out* of Neutral Hi Daniel: We've never experienced this problem on either of our PCs (an '89 and a '90). Sounds like something could be amiss with the shifting mechanism such that it's not getting fully engaged. You might try pausing a bit after squeezing the clutch lever to allow the gears to slow down a bit before trying to engage 1st. Another thing that might help is to rock the bike forward as you make the shift. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:17:00 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Shield and Clutch Clutch .... I have always had some problems finding neutral too! I find that if I CAN shift before I stop it seems to be easier. Cutting .... I used the masking tape over inside and outside of shield. I marked a nice dark line using a magic marker which mimicked the original shape of the shield. Then using a ""Metal" sabre saw blade (fine tooth), I SLOWLY cut my way across. It will help to have someone hold the piece being cut off so that you can smoothly make the cut in ONE motion. Sanding. LEAVE THE MASKING TAPE ON. Sand with varying grades of paper and you will eventually end up with an edge that is a smooth as the original. As a matter of fact since I have LOTS of tools, I used a portable BELT sander to get the cut down to ALMOST perfect, then finished up with hand held paper. BE CAREFUL not to let the paper wrap down and scratch the shield (Leave the masking tape on!). My objective was to get the shield to just below eye level. (It took a couple of tries). Put the tape on the shield ... take a ride ... evaluate, then cut. A bonus for me was that after cutting the shield my riding posture must have improved and my back quit hurting ! --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:53:22 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Motorcycle Consumer News To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu In addition to the snail mail address given earlier, you can call MCN at 1-800-735-9335 and place a subscription order. I assume you have to give them a credit card number to order this way. According to the March 1996 issue, the subscription price in the US is $$23.97 for 12 issues or $38 for 24. Canadian subscribers are charged $8/year more. Other countries must add $16 to the US rate. I have been a subscriber for about 3 years and it is more than worth the price. It really is the Consumer Reports of the motorcycle world, IMHO. Ride Safe, Dave Lott 89 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 17:08:00 -0700 Subject: '89 PC 800 For Sale To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I have an '89 PC 800 for sale. It has about 23K miles, new seats, factory back rest, air horns, new tune up, all new fluids, tall and short windscreens, and two brand NEW tires. Looks great, runs great. I'm not in a hurry, so looking for the best offer over $3,000. Reason I'm selling: Moving to a new house. Consolation: get to keep my other bike. Interested? contact Scott Swenson (360) 892-9584 Pacific Time. Or write SSwenson@vcd.hp.com. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'KlassC@aol.com'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Cutting a Screen Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:59:56 -0400 Make a template of the arc at the top of the 'shield. Then place duct = tape or GOOD masking tape over the area to be cut on both sides of the = plexigalss. Scribe the pattern a have at it with a fine saber saw = blade. As for height, it's a personal preference. Have a friend mark a point = where you can just see over the windshield. Add one inch!! It's easy = to cut more off than to add it back on! Trim with a sanding block and 100 grit paper. BTW, this is easy on the single curve Rifle windshield and quite tricky = with a Honda regular or tall windshield. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 1996 12:24 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cutting a Screen I am thinking about cutting down my stock screen if I need the wind to = cool me this summer. I am 5'11" with a 31 inch inseem. Most of my height is = in my torso (Ohh Wee, I'm a good lookin guy). Anyhow, I want my head to be = in clean air so it is not so damn noisy. Has anyone done this, how much = did you take off, how did you take it off, how did you smooth the edges, does it = look like crap, etc..? Thanks Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 06:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Tue, 16 Apr 1996 7:37:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Paul Browne From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: Cutting a Screen Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:59 PM 4/15/96 -0400, you wrote: Be very careful not to let the saw "hop" with you are it will crack the windshield instantly. Keep enough presure on the saw at all times to help avoid this. It also is of great benefit to use a varible speed saw. Good Luck. Waldo >Make a template of the arc at the top of the 'shield. Then place duct tape or GOOD masking tape over the area to be cut on both sides of the plexigalss. Scribe the pattern a have at it with a fine saber saw blade. > >As for height, it's a personal preference. Have a friend mark a point where you can just see over the windshield. Add one inch!! It's easy to cut more off than to add it back on! > >Trim with a sanding block and 100 grit paper. > >BTW, this is easy on the single curve Rifle windshield and quite tricky with a Honda regular or tall windshield. > > >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 15, 1996 12:24 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Cutting a Screen > >I am thinking about cutting down my stock screen if I need the wind to cool >me this summer. I am 5'11" with a 31 inch inseem. Most of my height is in >my torso (Ohh Wee, I'm a good lookin guy). Anyhow, I want my head to be in >clean air so it is not so damn noisy. Has anyone done this, how much did you >take off, how did you take it off, how did you smooth the edges, does it look >like crap, etc..? > >Thanks > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: MarWendt@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:02:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motorcycle Consumer News In a message dated 96-04-15 09:26:08 EDT, you write: >The current subscription prices are $29.00 for 12 issues or $43.00 for 24 >issues I recently received a mailer from Motorcycle Consumer News offering 24 issues for $24. They apparently do offer discounts if you get ont he right mailing list. Mark Wendt ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 09:04:58 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: RE: Cutting a Screen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/16/96 09:05 ## Maybe a glass place could do it for those of us with no sabre saw? Anybody tried that? Or a plastics place? I don't know if the glass places ever have to cut curved pieces like windshields. Roger CEO document contents: At 10:59 PM 4/15/96 -0400, you wrote: Be very careful not to let the saw "hop" with you are it will crack the windshield instantly. Keep enough presure on the saw at all times to help avoid this. It also is of great benefit to use a varible speed saw. Good Luck. Waldo >Make a template of the arc at the top of the 'shield. Then place duct tape or GOOD masking tape over the area to be cut on both sides of the plexigalss. Scribe the pattern a have at it with a fine saber saw blade. > >As for height, it's a personal preference. Have a friend mark a point where you can just see over the windshield. Add one inch!! It's easy to cut more off than to add it back on! > >Trim with a sanding block and 100 grit paper. > >BTW, this is easy on the single curve Rifle windshield and quite tricky with a Honda regular or tall windshield. > > >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, April 15, 1996 12:24 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Cutting a Screen > >I am thinking about cutting down my stock screen if I need the wind to cool >me this summer. I am 5'11" with a 31 inch inseem. Most of my height is in >my torso (Ohh Wee, I'm a good lookin guy). Anyhow, I want my head to be in >clean air so it is not so damn noisy. Has anyone done this, how much did you >take off, how did you take it off, how did you smooth the edges, does it look >like crap, etc..? > >Thanks > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:44:34 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cruise Control Hi All, Just an update on the cruise control/wrist rest issue. A place in Jessup, Maryland (between DC and Baltimore) called Bob's BMW ( phone - 301-924-5155, ask for Gary or Lex) can make a stainless steel wrist rest that looks like the stock bar end weight. They can also make a matching bar end weight for the left side. The price is $100 for both or $80 for the right side (cruise control). The previous posting about a $55 cruise control was for their "stock" unit which requires some shortening of the bolt. I just ordered the pair so I'll keep you posted. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Apr 96 14:35:41 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: MCN info Hi Thanks to all who sent information (direct or via the mailing list) to me about how to enter a subscription to MCN. Today I called them and the first magazine will arrive in about six weeks. They also gave me a fax number. I think they are using a company to do their mailing process. It is called Palm Coast Data. The customer service fax number is: (904) 445 2728 Thanks again Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna => 1994: 1989 PC800 => 1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 17:06:25 -0700 From: "Keith W. Rogers" To: gaye@percy.rain.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 for Sale Gaye Grabill wrote: > I am asking for $2500 but may be willing to deal a bit. > ... > I'd be willing to deliver to Washington or Oregon, of course buyers > from anywhere are more than welcome to come get her! If you can deal a bit, then I may be interested. I'm in Austin, Texas. Not very close. Too far to drive by for a quick look. Could you email some pictures to me? I wonder if anyone from the mailinglist in your area might be willing to inspect the PC and email me their assesment? -- Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Apr 96 20:18:55 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: 4th Southern California Ride A thousand pardons! Carrows restaurant is at Magnolia & 405, not Brookhurst! I could I get these two roads mixed up? Brookhurst is a six-lane arterial with a 50 mph speed limit and a Denny's, a Lucky's and a Target. Magnolia is a six-lane arterial with a 45 mph speed limit and a Jack-in-the-Box, A Von's and a K-Mart. They're completely different. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 22:07:36 +0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: clocks Content-Id: <18_71_1_829706856> Robert, Unlike several others on the list, I didn't think to mount my clock to the instrument panel. I got a really cheap Radio Shack circular clock and mounted it with velcro to the spot on the handlebar covers right above the choke knob and below the Honda logo plate. I put the hook (hard) side of the velcro there, and when the clock's not in place, it blends in so well as to be nearly invisible. The clock I got is not lighted, though, so no good at night... --James Hyder ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 22:09:34 +0600 To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tips on PC Maintenance Content-Id: <18_71_1_829706974> Vincent, I have the stock windscreen that I took off my '89 within the first few weeks. I'm certain it will fit, because I replaced it with the lengthened '90 screen you don't like. I don't remember how much I paid for the long one (around $150?) but I'd be willing to part with the short one for $50 plus whatever the shipping will be (I still have the original box for the long screen. E-mail me if you're interested. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 22:10:44 +0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Speedometers, etc. Content-Id: <18_71_1_829707044> Hey guys, The PC800 specs listed in the June '89 Cycle World review (see the archives) include a measured speedometer error of about 4 mph at 60 mph. This corresponds roughly to the error I have always observed. (I'm now running ML2s, but I had the same error with the stock Dunlops.) Has anybody tried fixing this? Also, several people recently have commented how changing to a synthetic oil made their shifting smoother. Can anyone explain to me how this could be, unless there's a leak between the crankcase, where the oil is, and the transmission, which is supposed to have transmission fluid? --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 22:12:03 +0600 To: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC 800 For Sale Content-Id: <18_71_1_829707123> Scott: Tell us how you installed the air horns. I've always been a little dissatisfied with the wimpy horn on the PC and wanted something that would command a little more attention and respect. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 22:13:41 +0600 To: GuntherSki@aol.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cruise Control Content-Id: <18_71_1_829707221> Guys, I took a simple, inexpensive plastic cruise control of the type that has two plastic tabs that usually hook around the throttle cables, broke off those tabs, and drove a small screw through the clamp and into the plastic of the PC's handle bar cover. Has worked perfectly for almost five years. --James for ; Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:26:02 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:21:53 -0700 From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: Pacific Coast Listing Subject: How many Albuquerque riders do we have...... All, Who else rides in the beautiful Rio Grande Valley around the greater Albuquerque area????? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedometers, etc. On Tue, 16 Apr 1996 jhyder@erols.com wrote: > Hey guys, > > The PC800 specs listed in the June '89 Cycle World review (see the > archives) include a measured speedometer error of about 4 mph at 60 mph. > This corresponds roughly to the error I have always observed. (I'm now > running ML2s, but I had the same error with the stock Dunlops.) Has anybody > tried fixing this? I had my speedometer professional calibrated (to contest a speeding charge) and to my surprise *there was no error at all!* > Also, several people recently have commented how changing to a > synthetic oil made their shifting smoother. Can anyone explain to me how > this could be, unless there's a leak between the crankcase, where the oil > is, and the transmission, which is supposed to have transmission fluid? > > --James > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 06:27:51 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Pacific Coast Listing" , "Robert Mathews" Subject: RE: How many Albuquerque riders do we have...... Are you looking for volunteers? Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Robert Mathews Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 1996 8:21 PM To: Pacific Coast Listing Subject: How many Albuquerque riders do we have...... All, Who else rides in the beautiful Rio Grande Valley around the greater Albuquerque area????? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 06:25:19 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Vincent Santamaria" , PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Tips on PC Maintenance I use the '89 windshield with a rubber spoiler. The stock '90 top sits right at my eye level so that sometimes I'm looking through it. It's distorted enough to make me sick to my stomach. The '89 gives me a better view and the spoiler gives me equal protection of the '90. The '89 is effectively 4" shorter than the other years which are all the same. I have a spare which I'm toying with the idea of cutting down about 6" for the summer months. Roger Prince 1990 1995 ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of jhyder@erols.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 1996 9:09 AM To: Vincent Santamaria; PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tips on PC Maintenance Vincent, I have the stock windscreen that I took off my '89 within the first few weeks. I'm certain it will fit, because I replaced it with the lengthened '90 screen you don't like. I don't remember how much I paid for the long one (around $150?) but I'd be willing to part with the short one for $50 plus whatever the shipping will be (I still have the original box for the long screen. E-mail me if you're interested. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jhyder@erols.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedometers, etc. From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 17 Apr 1996 01:03:13 -0500 Lines: 17 >>>>> "j" == jhyder writes: j> Also, several people recently have commented how changing to a synthetic j> oil made their shifting smoother. Can anyone explain to me how this j> could be, unless there's a leak between the crankcase, where the oil is, j> and the transmission, which is supposed to have transmission fluid? I think you've been dealing with cars too long. In a motorcycle (well, I'm sure there are some exceptions), the transmission is bathed in engine oil. The clutch is, too. (Yes, that's not a joke.) Have you ever added transmission fluid to your bike? The hypoid gear oil you put in the final drive doesn't count. Differences in oil quality and viscosity can make large differences in shifting and transmission operation. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:52:52 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 17 Apr 1996 7:55:33 -0400 (EDT) To: jhyder@erols.com From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Cruise Control Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Me Too!! WALDO At 10:13 PM 4/16/96 +0600, you wrote: >Guys, > >I took a simple, inexpensive plastic cruise control of the type that has two >plastic tabs that usually hook around the throttle cables, broke off those >tabs, and drove a small screw through the clamp and into the plastic of the >PC's handle bar cover. Has worked perfectly for almost five years. > >--James >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'jhyder@erols.com'" Cc: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: '89 PC 800 For Sale Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:36:33 -0400 A cheap horn improvement without all of the hassle of rigging air horns = is to mount a second horn as a mirror image to the one already on the = PC. The mounting point is already there. Add one of those short horn = brackets and the horn, wire in parallel and you're in business. I used = one of the flattish Bosch horns from a Volvo, the low note one I think. = It makes an ugly, loud sound that get attention when needed. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com[SMTP:jhyder@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 1996 12:12 PM To: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com; PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC 800 For Sale Scott: =20 Tell us how you installed the air horns. I've always been a little=20 dissatisfied with the wimpy horn on the PC and wanted something that = would=20 command a little more attention and respect. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Wed, 17 Apr 1996 8:02:17 -0400 (EDT) To: jhyder@erols.com From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: clocks Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I purchased one of the rectangular digital clocks from wal-mart( I think) (it measures about 1.25 by 2.5 approx) and mounted it right in front of the indicator lights. The high beam indicator is much to bright for me at night and this clock blocks the light but you can still see the glow. I adhered it to the dash with double stick and it has worked great for 3 years. (same batteries) and it is very easy to read. The numbers are about 3/4 to 1" I guess. Waldo At 10:07 PM 4/16/96 +0600, you wrote: >Robert, > > Unlike several others on the list, I didn't think to mount my clock >to the instrument panel. I got a really cheap Radio Shack circular clock >and mounted it with velcro to the spot on the handlebar covers right above >the choke knob and below the Honda logo plate. I put the hook (hard) side >of the velcro there, and when the clock's not in place, it blends in so well >as to be nearly invisible. The clock I got is not lighted, though, so no >good at night... > >--James Hyder >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 08:54:57 -0400 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC for Sale Hi Guys and Ladies, Nope it's not my PC for sale. My recently bought '89 with 3,900 miles is doing quite nicely, thank you. It is a wonderful bike and I can understand why I read so many raves here. Yesterday I noticed in our local Trading Times an '89 with 11K miles. Ad said it was like new, well-maintained, garaged, etc. Person was asking 4,100. He is located in Parma, a suburb of Cleveland. Know anyone who is looking, let me know and I'll be happy to post the guy's phone number. Would have done it today but left it at home. C'mon Spring! Alan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:13:59 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Price point for buyers A Red '90 PC w/ 12K mi sold for $4200 locally (Albany, NY area). Asking price was $4500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:28:32 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Dry Clutch As far as I know BMW is the only current bike that has a dry clutch. And it is said to last forever. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:42:07 -0400 To: RogerPrince@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, rmathews@us1.net Subject: Re: How many Albuquerque riders do we have...... Check the Mailing List Page!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:52:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric York To: Jason L Tibbitts III Cc: jhyder@erols.com, PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Speedometers, etc. On 17 Apr 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > I think you've been dealing with cars too long. In a motorcycle (well, I'm > sure there are some exceptions), the transmission is bathed in engine oil. Correct. Harley is one exception. Someone will please correct me if i am wrong, but don't older BMWs also have separate engine/trans lubrication? Eric York '84 Honda VF700S New Mexico State University '89 Honda PC800 Department of Mathematics '93 HD XLH1200 eryork@nmsu.edu "It's a sort of a V thing..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:33:27 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Looking for Bell Helmet dealer. I'm trying to replace my old helmet with a Bell Mag Ltd. Classic in Anthracite (color looks to compliment the lower PC body panels). My local dealer's distributor (Parts Unlimited) is out of stock and is not backordering. Can anyone help with a source ? Any mailorder business' that deals in these Bell 3/4 helmets ? Thanks -Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Keith W. Rogers'" , "'pc800'" , "'timmacy@aol.com'" Subject: RE: PC800 for Sale Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:07:23 -0700 Gaye lives in Portland so Tim Macy is one of the closest to have a look. Tim? Oh yea, if you decide to go after the bike I'll ride it as far as I can in a weekends time for you. Figure that would put me in Nevada somewhere. Flights are cheap from Vegas and I'll do riding for free. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Keith W. Rogers[SMTP:rogersk@eden.com] >Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 1996 5:06 PM >To: gaye@percy.rain.com >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: PC800 for Sale > >Gaye Grabill wrote: > >> I am asking for $2500 but may be willing to deal a bit. >> ... >> I'd be willing to deliver to Washington or Oregon, of course buyers >> from anywhere are more than welcome to come get her! > >If you can deal a bit, then I may be interested. > >I'm in Austin, Texas. Not very close. Too far to drive by for a quick > >look. Could you email some pictures to me? I wonder if anyone from >the >mailinglist in your area might be willing to inspect the PC and email >me >their assesment? > >-- >Keith W. Rogers rogersk@eden.com >http://www.eden.com/~rogersk/ dm108@cleveland.freenet.edu >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:15:33 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Dry Clutch At 11:28 AM 4/17/96 -0400, you wrote: >As far as I know BMW is the only current bike that has a dry clutch. And it >is said to last forever. Under normal use it probably will, but dry clutches hate drag-launch abuse. They start whimpering much earlier than wet clutches. ;-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:18:31 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: Speedometers, etc. At 09:52 AM 4/17/96 -0600, you wrote: >On 17 Apr 1996, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >> >> I think you've been dealing with cars too long. In a motorcycle (well, I'm >> sure there are some exceptions), the transmission is bathed in engine oil. > >Correct. Harley is one exception. Someone will please correct me if i am >wrong, but don't older BMWs also have separate engine/trans lubrication? Don't know about Beemers, but older brit bikes did have separate (non-unit) engine and transmissions. Also, as far as dry clutches, some Ducatis have them, and the 1986 (?) limited edition of the Suzuki GSXR 750 came with a dry clutch. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:37:16 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Big Motoport News! There has been much talk about the Motoport Ultra ll jacket. I called them last week and got a catolog. Along with the catalog was a price sheet for 95 left overs. The GP-2 jacket usually sells for $560! But the leftovers are just $299. It is made from Kevlar and has comfortable, removable body armor on the chest, BACK, shoulders, elbows, and forarms. I was sceptical because it looks somewhat like a racing jacket, and the fact that there are no returns. Well they assured me that it was acutualy cooler that the 1000 denier, and if I did not like it I could get credit towards anything they sell. They also informed me the the Ultra ll was now $399!!! So I ordered the jacket in XL. I am 5'11" 210lbs. I just got the jacket and WOW!. The armor covers most of the body but is NOT intrusive. Plus each piece can be easily removed. The whole thing is machine washable. The armor is soft and pliable but is tested to be better than Roadcrafter's armor. It does fit snug but is not restictive. Even over my 37 inch waist. I just took a little spin and the wind penitration is excellent! It has zipper vents in the underarns and on the back that can be reached while riding. Also there are 4 BIG outside pockets, and two big inside pockets. Neddless to say I am keeping it. It will be perfect for summer riding, my H.G. Dakar would kill me! I was concerned that when I had to go to a business meeting I would not be able to wear anything more than a dress shirt. But then I though, well, isn't that what the trunks for? And would it not be too hot to wear a sports coat under my jacket in the summer anyhow? If anyone is interest I say DO IT. Where else can you get a breathable, armored, Kevlar jacket for $299? Also, there was a review/test of gloves a while ago in one of the mags. I scaned it into my computer for future reference. It turns out that one of their HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER $50 was the Motoport Hi-Speed. WELL.... They have them on sale for $10.00!!!!!!!!!!! I bought two! They have a whole bunch of other stuff. From $17 rain suits to $69 boots. Any questions let me know. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:45:32 -0400 To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mid-West Trip The plan was to leave Kansas City by 6 AM Friday morning. I had to be at a luncheon in Bull Shoals, Arkansas by 11:30 AM. I was going to spend the week-end fishing during the day and socializing at night. The schedule was to leave Bull Shoals Sunday for a run across Missouri into Southern Illinois to attend a business meeting Monday morning and return, via interstate, to Kansas City. The bike was a stock 1994 PC. The 10 day weather forecast looked real good. The five day forecast cast some doubt, and the overnight had me dodging between thunderstorms. I hit the road at 6 AM in the dark, with the temperature in the low fifties. I couldn't see the sky, but with the tack nestled at five grand I could taste the coming rain in the air rushing passed my helmet. I ran Interstate Extension 435 out of town onto U.S. Highway 71 which soon became State Route 7. I stopped just after dawn for a quick breakfast and fuel for the bike. The wind was gusting 15 to 25 miles per hour and the sky was gun metal gray, with just a hope of pink showing to the southeast, where I was heading. I left the clear shield on my helmet, through over my leg over the bikes saddle and rode out to face the elements like the good knight. One hundred and seventy five miles out of Kansas City, and after another refueling stop I was riding the Interstates around Springfield, Missouri in the warm sunshine. Within one hour I caught State Highway 5, and was snaking down the Formica smooth blacktop under an azure sun bright sky. (God it was great to be alive.) I arrived in Bull Shoals at 11:15, in time to join my future fishing compatriots for a long lunch and longer fish stories. I was up at a cold 5 AM the next morning, and by 7, I was drifting down the famous White River. The guides did everything from baiting the hook to cooking the fish for a river bank lunch. If your into fishing, Bull Shoals is a must. It rained Saturday night. The winds changed from the west to the south, and by Sunday morning tornado warnings flashed across the TV screen. Luckily I had packed the night before. It is remarkable what you can get into those saddlebag inserts when everything is tightly rolled and packed. After a 7 AM breakfast with my new friends, many who were much more interested in my PC than their expensive foreign autos, I headed across Missouri on, made to be ridden, highway 62. I caught Interstate 57 just above Cairo, and crossed into Illinois. I had left the rain and wind behind half the way across Missouri. The boredom of the interstate let the tack climb closer to six grand than my normal five grand cruise when the bike got just a little squirrelly. At first, I hardly notice it. It just didn't seemed to be tracking right. I edged over the side of the road, hit the kick stand and found I had a totally flat rear tire. A metal screw had punctured the tire. I flagged over a passing Illinois State Patrolman. When he discovered I had only $20.00 in cash and a bunch of credit cards. His reference didn't take credit cards, and wasn't going to come out on this highway on a Sunday for less $50. The state trooper hopped in his car and drove away without even offering to give me a ride to the service area about one mile up the road. I guess they don't call them patrol areas in Illinois, they are free, maybe purchased, enterprise zones. A passing Texan soon stopped. He drove me to the service center where I bought a package of cold plugs. The Texan drove me back to the bike, and with the help of a cigarette lighter powered air pump I plugged and filled the tire. I offered the Texan the $20. He refused the money, but let me buy him a cup of coffee at the service area. The cold plug held all the way back to Kansas City. The tire has about 10,000 on it after the trip. I think I will just leave the plug in until I replace the tire. I rode the next 50 miles into Benton, had a early dinner and bed. The rain, wind and cold that I had out left in Arkansas caught me In Benton late Sunday night. The temperature dropped into the mid-thirties and I had to tie down the King Tour 1/2 Cover I used when traveling. The 1/2 cover takes little space, and does protect the bike. It rained in sheets and the wind blew a couple of trucks off nearby the interstate. Tuesday morning it was bright and sunny and close to 45 degrees by 9 o'clock, but the winds were coming from the northeast, gusting between 45 to 50 miles per hour. I was going to ride due north to Mount Vernon, and than straight west, through St. Louis to Kansas City. Just under a 400 mile run in a constant cross wind. The tack needle hovered in the 4,000 range going out of Benton. I wondered if a Rifle Wind System would of improved my lot. I stopped 25 miles later in Mount Vernon for coffee and to get by breath. Sixty miles out of St. Louis the winds began to let up, and by the time I had reached St. Charles, on the far side of St. Louis, the temperature had climbed into the sixties and wind gusts were gone. I must of passed through the front. The trip was 1004 miles. The bike averaged 46.33 miles per gallon. The first half of the trip was almost exclusively back roads, the second half was restricted to the Interstates. The Pacific Coast was great. I am ready to head Arizona in a few weeks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 23:02:06 +0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Speedometers, etc. Content-Id: <17_69_1_829796526> > > >>>>> "j" == jhyder writes: > > j> Also, several people recently have commented how changing to a synthetic > j> oil made their shifting smoother. Can anyone explain to me how this > j> could be, unless there's a leak between the crankcase, where the oil is, > j> and the transmission, which is supposed to have transmission fluid? > > I think you've been dealing with cars too long. In a motorcycle (well, I'm > sure there are some exceptions), the transmission is bathed in engine oil. > The clutch is, too. (Yes, that's not a joke.) Have you ever added > transmission fluid to your bike? The hypoid gear oil you put in the final > drive doesn't count. > > Differences in oil quality and viscosity can make large differences in > shifting and transmission operation. > > - J< So *that's* why the bike has been handling so strangely lately!. Just kidding. Dumb old me for not putting my brain in gear before engaging my fingers. So now I'm pegged as a moron for the rest of my time on this list. Oh well. I'd like to claim that I made this mistake because I'm used to all my old BMWs and British bikes, but that probably won't fly know. I guess I was mixing the transmission up with the final drive. THanks for straightening me out. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 96 00:03:50 +0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedometers, etc. Content-Id: <17_69_1_829800230> > Subject: Re: Speedometers, etc. > > Hi, > > Was curious about your post. Is the pc800 speedo 4 mph slow or > fast? > > Thanks, > > Alan When the speedo reads 65, I'm actually travelling 60 (as measured by timing over a measured course). This is the case over roughly 50 mph, but I haven't done any testing under 50, so I don't know if it's proportional or a constant 5 mph high, but I expect it's proportional. --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 00:17:47 -0400 To: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Motoport Phone # Sorry, I guess I forgot the most important part. They can be reached at 800-777-6499 Chris (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:04:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:02:22 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Clocks Uh, Gang? Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want a clock on the PC???? Bear with me for a minute... If I'm riding for fun, I usually don't care where I am as long as I think there's gas & food (mostly food) in reasonable reach. OTOH, we've already established that most of us get 150-180 mpg. So, if I look at my watch when I gas up, & hit the road at our average highway speed (which shall remain nameless to protect the innocent), then I can guesstimate time by how much gas I have left. Admittedly, it's a bit tougher in the twisties, but I just keep thinking, "Well, I'm riding, who cares where/when/who I am?" Anyway, just random thoughts going through my head. I certainly do not mean to disparage the fine members of this group. My theory - if I want a radio and a clock, I'll drive the Toyota. OTOH (I know, I'm now up to 3 hands)I really like the idea of putting it on the handlebar covers... Pleasant riding! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mid-West Trip From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Apr 1996 02:39:39 -0500 Lines: 9 That sounds like an almost really great trip. I just have to say that I'd have that trooper's ass on the line for that kind of crap. That's worse than just plain rude. Good thing an outstanding citizen of Texas happened by (^_^). I'm sure that if I ever get stranded, every passing car will be from New York city or something. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Steve Gross Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Clocks From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Apr 1996 02:32:14 -0500 Lines: 23 >>>>> "SG" == Steve Gross writes: SG> Uh, Gang? Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want SG> a clock on the PC???? [Yeah, yeah, riding for fun, don't care what time it is, etc.] I want a clock. Why? I need a clock to see if I have enough time to stop at the store before work, or to run that errand on the way home before I have to start dinner. You see, I'm on my PC every day of the week. I don't own a car. The PC needs a clock for the same reasons that a car needs a clock. After all, the PC is probably the best commuting bike in existence. That's why I want a clock. SG> My theory - if I want a radio and a clock, I'll drive the Toyota. Traitor. - J< Oh, yeah: ^_^ for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 05:44:15 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 05:38:44 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: Clocks Just have to second everything that Jason said. yea, everything! He just beat me to it! :) Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > >>>>> "SG" == Steve Gross writes: > > SG> Uh, Gang? Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want > SG> a clock on the PC???? > > [Yeah, yeah, riding for fun, don't care what time it is, etc.] > > I want a clock. Why? I need a clock to see if I have enough time to stop > at the store before work, or to run that errand on the way home before I > have to start dinner. You see, I'm on my PC every day of the week. I > don't own a car. The PC needs a clock for the same reasons that a car > needs a clock. After all, the PC is probably the best commuting bike in > existence. > > That's why I want a clock. > > SG> My theory - if I want a radio and a clock, I'll drive the Toyota. > > Traitor. > > - J< > > Oh, yeah: ^_^-- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 06:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Thu, 18 Apr 1996 7:38:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Jason L Tibbitts III From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: Mid-West Trip Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu from New York city or >something. NEW YORK CITY!!!! GET A ROPE. for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:52:48 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Ray To: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: RE: Re: Clocks Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:43:35 -0500 Didn't anyone see Easy Rider? In the first scene, Peter Fonda ditches the clock! Bob Ray ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mark Lucas[SMTP:lucas.m@nmaa.org] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 1996 7:38 AM To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: Clocks Just have to second everything that Jason said. yea, everything! He just beat me to it! :) Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > > >>>>> "SG" == Steve Gross writes: > > SG> Uh, Gang? Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want > SG> a clock on the PC???? > > [Yeah, yeah, riding for fun, don't care what time it is, etc.] > > I want a clock. Why? I need a clock to see if I have enough time to stop > at the store before work, or to run that errand on the way home before I > have to start dinner. You see, I'm on my PC every day of the week. I > don't own a car. The PC needs a clock for the same reasons that a car > needs a clock. After all, the PC is probably the best commuting bike in > existence. > > That's why I want a clock. > > SG> My theory - if I want a radio and a clock, I'll drive the Toyota. > > Traitor. > > - J< > > Oh, yeah: ^_^-- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:03:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:11:59 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, smupony@infomagic.com Subject: New Tags!! -Reply You guys won't believe this crap! I just got my tags here for my bike = and they hit me up for $138, just for one year!! What a rip-off!!! I = just moved here from Florida and there it was only around $30. And = before that I lived in Dallas and I think it was only around $30 also. = Man what a government we have. I can't believe we let this shit go on. = And they told me that every year it's going to be that high simply = because I have a nice bike - that's a crock of ----!!!! =20 --------- Just be glad it isn't a nice car! The registration is based on the base price of the vehicle new. An expensive new car can cost hundereds of dollars a year to register. The fee declines by about 10 percent each year so you should expect it to be somewhat less next year. But at least they put out a nice magazine. ;-) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:12:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:11:25 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: New Tags!! -Reply Neill -- Welcome to the wide world of state revenue enhancement!!!!! Jason, Bob, Mark -- hee, hee, hee! I really don't "get" most of the tech discussions (hence my near bald tires, mushy stock suspension, non-Corbinized/Utopiated stock seat, etc......) So, I thought I'd toss in a "quality of riding (generic)" issue. Issue # 2. Those of you that ride 2 up -- Intercom communication because you _want_ to, or because you _have_ to? (All replies will be kept confidential - unless of course you post them here, then it's up to you to keep your co-rider away from the screen.) look out for morons in Toyotas staring at the clock and fiddling with the presets on the radio!! :) -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'pc800'" , "'Steve Gross'" Subject: RE: New Tags!! -Reply Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 08:59:55 -0700 >Issue # 2. Those of you that ride 2 up -- Intercom communication >because you _want_ to, or because you _have_ to? (All replies will be >kept confidential - unless of course you post them here, then it's up >to >you to keep your co-rider away from the screen.) I had my Coast for almost 2 years while looking for some form of communications. Bought the Chatterbox (version 1) and toted around that battery pack in a jacket pocket. It failed after almost a year and the local dealer returned it to the manufacturer sort of under warrantee. I upgraded to the Chatterbox (ver 2) for the difference in price. Why??? Got tired of trying to interpret Spike!'s hand signals, we never did come up with how many taps on the right shoulder meant "Antique Store Up Ahead". Does the doo-hickie on the side of my helmet make me look like BobaFet? Yes. Is it convenient to talk to other riders? When there are other riders who also have a Chatterbox on the same channel, yes. Spike! is in charge of controlling volume and squelch, but I get to pick the tapes to play on the Walkman, so it works out pretty well. When she gets her own bike, we'll absolutely get another Chatterbox. Are there better units out there? Probably. Are there more expensive units? Fer shur. At $170 for the unit, plus headset and cabling for the passenger - walkman, it is as much money as I was ready to spend, >but worth it. for ; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:16:06 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Ray To: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: FW: New Tags!! -Reply Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:07:09 -0500 Steve: What exactly is the issue here? Those that jabber all day = two-up? Those that are concerned with radios and clocks? Morons on the = road? Greatest evil: Realtors with cellphones. Personally, I prefer riding sans = fairing/radio/clock/speedo/tach/more-than-one-cylinder. But I do = appreciate good rebound damping and sticky tires with lotsa nice sticky = tread . But, consecutive 800+ mile days on the superslab leave me **bored** as = hell. My brother-in-law rode a Honda 450 twin to CA and back (from = Michigan) and tells the story of how he got so bored on the interstate = that by the time he was passing through Kansas (and all states like it) = that he'd sit sidesaddle and read a novel. Blew the minds of passing = cagers. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Steve Gross[SMTP:slgross@halcyon.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 1996 10:11 AM To: pc800 Subject: Re: New Tags!! -Reply Neill -- Welcome to the wide world of state revenue enhancement!!!!! Jason, Bob, Mark -- hee, hee, hee! I really don't "get" most of the=20 tech discussions (hence my near bald tires, mushy stock suspension,=20 non-Corbinized/Utopiated stock seat, etc......) So, I thought I'd toss=20 in a "quality of riding (generic)" issue. Issue # 2. Those of you that ride 2 up -- Intercom communication=20 because you _want_ to, or because you _have_ to? (All replies will be=20 kept confidential - unless of course you post them here, then it's up to = you to keep your co-rider away from the screen.) look out for morons in Toyotas staring at the clock and fiddling with=20 the presets on the radio!! :) --=20 Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Steve Gross'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: New Tags!! -Reply Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:59:18 -0700 I'd have to say I have an intercom for both reasons. I want to: I like to ride and anytime we (my co-rider Leanne and I) need to go someplace I instantly imagine going there on my motorcycle. My co-rider likes it when we talk you see and when I ride I'm awake, alert, and willing to talk. Therefore she chooses the motorcycle ride because she knows I'll talk. I WANT to have an intercom so I have more opportunities to ride. I have to: If we didn't have the intercom then we wouldn't talk when we ride. If we don't talk she doesn't want to go. I MUST have an intercom so we can ride together. See how I'm stuck? -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Steve Gross[SMTP:slgross@halcyon.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 1996 8:11 AM >To: pc800 >Subject: Re: New Tags!! -Reply > > >Issue # 2. Those of you that ride 2 up -- Intercom communication >because you _want_ to, or because you _have_ to? (All replies will be >kept confidential - unless of course you post them here, then it's up >to >you to keep your co-rider away from the screen.) > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: BernieK469@aol.com Cc: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Mid-West Trip Thanks for your "Mid-West" trip report, Bernie. Well done, and interesting. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: VINCE_SANTAMARIA@msn.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Motoport Phone # Thanks, Chris. I just called and ordered the catalog - thought I'd mention that its $4.95 (credit card o.k.) - with an enclosed coupon for the $4.95. On Thu, 18 Apr 1996 KlassC@aol.com wrote: > Sorry, > > I guess I forgot the most important part. They can be reached at > 800-777-6499 > > Chris > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Steve Gross Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: Clocks I'm with you half-way, Steve. I don't want a radio - just riding is enough sensory input, but I do like to know the time - which just shows that we are all individuals, as we should be. I put my rectangular, velcro attached, clock on the bottom of my tach face. It doesn't interfere with seeing the tach, and the instrument cowl protects it from the weather - works great for me. On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Steve Gross wrote: > Uh, Gang? > > Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want a clock on > the PC???? > > Bear with me for a minute... If I'm riding for fun, I usually don't care > where I am as long as I think there's gas & food (mostly food) in > reasonable reach. OTOH, we've already established that most of us get > 150-180 mpg. So, if I look at my watch when I gas up, & hit the road at > our average highway speed (which shall remain nameless to protect the > innocent), then I can guesstimate time by how much gas I have left. > Admittedly, it's a bit tougher in the twisties, but I just keep > thinking, "Well, I'm riding, who cares where/when/who I am?" > > Anyway, just random thoughts going through my head. I certainly do not > mean to disparage the fine members of this group. My theory - if I want > a radio and a clock, I'll drive the Toyota. OTOH (I know, I'm now up to > 3 hands)I really like the idea of putting it on the handlebar covers... > > Pleasant riding! > -- > Steve Gross > "Get the retainer up front." > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Steve Gross'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Clocks Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:53:09 -0700 The clock tells me how much longer I can keep riding before I have to go to work in the morning. \"/ >---------- >From: Steve Gross[SMTP:slgross@halcyon.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 1996 11:02 PM >To: pc800 >Subject: Clocks > >Uh, Gang? > >Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want a clock on >the PC???? > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:44:05 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Summer Riding - Danger To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I know some of you are still recovering from snowstorms over the last week, but I do believe that Spring has finally arrived in Georgia. As we approach the Summertime and hot weather, I thought I would share an experience my wife and I encountered (endured?) last summer. In mid-July, we decided to take a short trip (75 miles) to Adairsville, GA and visit a historical plantation site. That weekend they were going to be having a reenactment of a Civil War skirmish, craft show, etc. The temperature was expected to be in the mid-90s and the sky was partly cloudy with a chance of thundershowers. We left home about 10:00am, made a rest stop about 11:00 where we each drank a coke, and arrived at our destination about 11:30. We came up primarily on major state roads and traffic had been light. We ate lunch, watched the reenactment, and just strolled around for a couple of hours. During this time we noted how hot it was and a thermometer at the plantation house was showing 100o F. We both had several glasses of water and lemonaide. We headed back about 3:00 and stopped once for gas and another coke. About 2 miles from home, my wife Debbie told me (over our intercom) that she was starting to feel a little dizzy and she had to open up the visor on her helmet. I volunteered to stop, but she said she felt better and for me to continue on home. A little ways down the road, she said she was feeling bad and to hurry home. About a mile from home, she told me she felt like she was going to faint. Fortunately, we were on a two lane road that had a merge lane and I immediately pulled over into the merge lane. Just as I brought the bike to a stop, Debbie slumped over. I slapped her leg and she started to get off the bike on the right (but wrong) side. We were still wired together, but I knew the connectors would break before my ear would be detached. She started tearing off her helmet saying that she was feeling nauseated. I was able to help her off to the grass, where she kneeled down, threw up a little and then became incoherent. I pulled her over to an area that was in the shade and a passing motorist stopped. He had a bottle of water which we wetted her head and she drank. After about 5 mintues, her skin color had returned from a bright red to normal. After about 15 minutes, she was fine and we continued our journay home. Lessons I learned: Although I thought we were getting enough fluids, evidently we weren't. Better to have to make an extra pee stop than a heat stroke one. I failed to realize how the air flow from riding was evaporating our perspiration so that we never felt hot. Second, from now on I will immediately stop at the first warning of any problem. Had Debbie slumped over when I was in heavy traffic or on the Interstate, things could have been very different. I am thankful that we had the intercom so I could understand immediately the content of her message and understand the tone of her voice. Third, I will always carry a bottle of water and one of those chemical cold packs. Had the motorist not come, I don't know what I would have done. I knew she needed fluids, but I couldn't leave her alone. Sorry this has been so long, but I thought some might learn from it. Safe riding, Dave Lott 1989 Honda PC800 1982 Honda Goldwing ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:14:22 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Intercoms To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I hope ya'll don't mind my changing the name of the thread. I don't mean to be harsh or insensitive, but I would rather focus on those items that I can control (skill level, safety, destinations, accessories, mods, etc.); than those things I can control (taxes). >From reading the other posts, it looks like I go to the head of the CHEAP pack; as I am using the NADY intercom set that I purchased for about $60. While the FM radio part doesn't work that well, the intercom does pretty good for my bride and I. Hey, after 23 years of marriage to a woman with MIRR (minimal interval to restroom), I have learned that communication is vital. The NADY does get some wind noise above 50 mph, eventhough we are wearing full face helmets. We run off of the 3 AAA batteries, but they do sell an accessory when you run a pigtail off your bike's electrical system. I am looking to upgrade, primarily to be able to add a walkman or CD; but have a limited budget. Any suggestions (related only to intercoms please) would be appreciated. Ride Safe, Dave Lott 89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:28:05 -0700 From: Eric Matthews To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Intercoms Dave Lott wrote: > > I hope ya'll don't mind my changing the name of the thread. I don't > mean to be harsh or insensitive, but I would rather focus on those > items that I can control (skill level, safety, destinations, > accessories, mods, etc.); than those things I can control (taxes). > > >From reading the other posts, it looks like I go to the head of the > CHEAP pack; as I am using the NADY intercom set that I purchased for > about $60. While the FM radio part doesn't work that well, the > intercom does pretty good for my bride and I. Hey, after 23 years of > marriage to a woman with MIRR (minimal interval to restroom), I have > learned that communication is vital. > > The NADY does get some wind noise above 50 mph, eventhough we are > wearing full face helmets. We run off of the 3 AAA batteries, but they > do sell an accessory when you run a pigtail off your bike's electrical > system. > > I am looking to upgrade, primarily to be able to add a walkman or CD; > but have a limited budget. Any suggestions (related only to intercoms > please) would be appreciated. > > Ride Safe, > Dave Lott > 89 Pacific Coast > -- I went the cheap route too and bought the Nady PMC3. I hate it. It has a really bad (painful) static problem, especially over 30mph. I've had to send it off to Nady for repair, which they tell me will take 4 to 6 weeks! I tried a Chatterbox unit but couldn't get it to mount to the helmets in a reasonable manner. Whatever. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:32:11 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Summer Riding - Danger I think that it is an excellent idea for all of us to share information and experience like this. If nothing else it will keep us on our toes and help us avoid the dangers we can prevent. I am glad that it worked out in the end. Chris --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: 96-04-18 14:54:12 EDT I know some of you are still recovering from snowstorms over the last week, but I do believe that Spring has finally arrived in Georgia. As we approach the Summertime and hot weather, I thought I would share an experience my wife and I encountered (endured?) last summer. In mid-July, we decided to take a short trip (75 miles) to Adairsville, GA and visit a historical plantation site. That weekend they were going to be having a reenactment of a Civil War skirmish, craft show, etc. The temperature was expected to be in the mid-90s and the sky was partly cloudy with a chance of thundershowers. We left home about 10:00am, made a rest stop about 11:00 where we each drank a coke, and arrived at our destination about 11:30. We came up primarily on major state roads and traffic had been light. We ate lunch, watched the reenactment, and just strolled around for a couple of hours. During this time we noted how hot it was and a thermometer at the plantation house was showing 100o F. We both had several glasses of water and lemonaide. We headed back about 3:00 and stopped once for gas and another coke. About 2 miles from home, my wife Debbie told me (over our intercom) that she was starting to feel a little dizzy and she had to open up the visor on her helmet. I volunteered to stop, but she said she felt better and for me to continue on home. A little ways down the road, she said she was feeling bad and to hurry home. About a mile from home, she told me she felt like she was going to faint. Fortunately, we were on a two lane road that had a merge lane and I immediately pulled over into the merge lane. Just as I brought the bike to a stop, Debbie slumped over. I slapped her leg and she started to get off the bike on the right (but wrong) side. We were still wired together, but I knew the connectors would break before my ear would be detached. She started tearing off her helmet saying that she was feeling nauseated. I was able to help her off to the grass, where she kneeled down, threw up a little and then became incoherent. I pulled her over to an area that was in the shade and a passing motorist stopped. He had a bottle of water which we wetted her head and she drank. After about 5 mintues, her skin color had returned from a bright red to normal. After about 15 minutes, she was fine and we continued our journay home. Lessons I learned: Although I thought we were getting enough fluids, evidently we weren't. Better to have to make an extra pee stop than a heat stroke one. I failed to realize how the air flow from riding was evaporating our perspiration so that we never felt hot. Second, from now on I will immediately stop at the first warning of any problem. Had Debbie slumped over when I was in heavy traffic or on the Interstate, things could have been very different. I am thankful that we had the intercom so I could understand immediately the content of her message and understand the tone of her voice. Third, I will always carry a bottle of water and one of those chemical cold packs. Had the motorist not come, I don't know what I would have done. I knew she needed fluids, but I couldn't leave her alone. Sorry this has been so long, but I thought some might learn from it. Safe riding, Dave Lott 1989 Honda PC800 1982 Honda Goldwing ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:03:41 -0400 To: BernieK469@aol.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trip Report Thanks for the great trip report! Makes me proud to be a Texan. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:19:18 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:17:23 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: FW: New Tags!! -Reply Bob, (and everyone else...) Actually, there isn't an issue. I have no point at all, just making conversation. Personally, I get bored on the interstate myself, and have discovered the most horrifying tunes locked into my head. Usually triggered by town names or advertisements, but once they're in, ya just can't get rid of 'em! The only thing I'm afraid of is that if I get a comm unit, brother Dave'll get one for his PC, then I'll have to listen to him sing. It ain't pretty. Good tread would be nice. Really, Really, nice. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Apr 96 20:21:57 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Clocks >Perhaps I'm missing something, but exactly _why_ do we want a clock on >the PC???? I don't know about the rest of you, but personally I like having a clock so that when I occasionally take the long/scenic way to work on the PC, I know exactly how much guilty-pleasure I am deriving. 9:30 and I'm still on PCH! Hee-hee!! (Never mind that the workload is always there, so I'll be paying for it by staying late ...) id VAA26904; Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:10:04 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:10:04 -0400 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Indian Days Cc: MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com, wingS@armchair.mb.ca I think I had mentioned plans for some of our Retread group to take a weekend ride hitting Springfield MA, Danbury CT, and Rheinbeck NY over a two day period in late July. Springfield for the Motocycle Museum, Danbury for Marcus Dairy breakfast, and Rheinbeck for the WW I air show. I contacted the Indian museum and it looks like a change of plans. We had originally thought to hit Springfield on Saturday but the following may change our plans. It is excerpted from their flyer. A Big Date For You at our Wigwam. 25th Anniversary Champions Returning. Indian Day Sunday July 21 on the grounds of the famous Indian Motocycle Museum. 33 Hendee St., Exit 4 off I-291 Springfield MA . Gates open 9 am to 5 pm. Souvenirs, Antique contest prizes, Tour museum, Cash Gate prizes. $ 5.00 admission (Regular admission is $3) Through the summer they are open EVERY day. Call 413-737-2624 for more information. On another note, I finally got another ride. It has been so cold and miserable that I just didn't feel like trying. Yesterday was positively frigid, snow, sleet etc. Today it was in the 60's !!!! Of course it was a busy day at work and I couldn't justify sneaking out, however when I got home I grabbed an hour + and put a few miles on the PC (first time this year) and the Wing (I really like it !!!). Tomorrow is supposed to be warm but with rain and thunderstorms .. MAYBE SATURDAY WILL BE BETTER !!!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:01:54 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Speedometers, etc. >So *that's* why the bike has been handling so strangely lately!. Just >kidding. Dumb old me for not putting my brain in gear before engaging my >fingers. So now I'm pegged as a moron for the rest of my time on this list. >Oh well. > >I'd like to claim that I made this mistake because I'm used to all my old >BMWs and British bikes, but that probably won't fly know. I guess I was >mixing the transmission up with the final drive. You mean that thing in the back ISN'T the transmission? OH *&%$#@@ I'm in BIG trouble ;-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:01:55 -0400 To: jhyder@erols.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Speedometers, etc. >When the speedo reads 65, I'm actually travelling 60 (as measured by timing >over a measured course). This is the case over roughly 50 mph, but I >haven't done any testing under 50, so I don't know if it's proportional or a >constant 5 mph high, but I expect it's proportional. > >--James I WOULDN'T expect it to be proportional. In fact I would doubt it was proportional. It is more likely exponential. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 23:01:58 -0400 To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Tags!! >P.S. Hey Joe, can you believe this stuff goes on. Maybe I should have >stayed in South Florida? And gotten blown away by a Hurricane? Better to pay alot of money to ride out West. If they are charging you based on the price (value) of the bike tell them it's only worth $2,000. Tell them you bought it in a basket and put it together. Show them some ads for cheap bikes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:21:37 -0400 To: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Summer Riding - Danger >Sorry this has been so long, but I thought some might learn from it. >Safe riding, > >Dave Lott Long? Long is the time you spend second guessing your options when something tragic occured. iving in Bama ( and being new to the road scene) I certainly appreciated the info. Glad it had a happy ending. See you at the Hoot? Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:50:20 -0400 To: rmathews@us1.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1996 PC 800 Stuff.... > I am the proud new owner of a 1996 RED Pacific Coast. Have been >riding in the Albuquerque, NM area for about a week Congrats! I have a 1995 (Black) Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:50:19 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Rotten tires part 2 Do you remember my rotten tire problem on my 1995 PC800? Well the local Honda dealer claims that the Honda rep said they don't ahve to warranty the tires but they will pay for the new tires but NOT the mount and balancing. Is this rediculous? Should I asked for a phone number or just take the tires and run? I DID buy the bike third hand with 6000 miles. Also the dealer doesn't stock the tires and offered to put on any kind that was around the same price. Which kind should I choose? Please help the helpless. Thanks for the help. Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:05:01 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 05:59:22 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: quality of riding (was: new tags) Steve Gross wrote: > Jason, Bob, Mark -- hee, hee, hee! I really don't "get" most of the > tech discussions (hence my near bald tires, mushy stock suspension, > non-Corbinized/Utopiated stock seat, etc......) So, I thought I'd toss > in a "quality of riding (generic)" issue. Yes, I enjoy riding for ridings sake, but most of my riding is commuting in DC. Not just a whole lot of "quality" riding there. Therefore, practical issues take over. My bike is my only transportation (other than public). > Issue # 2. Those of you that ride 2 up -- Intercom communication > because you _want_ to, or because you _have_ to? (All replies will be > kept confidential - unless of course you post them here, then it's up to > you to keep your co-rider away from the screen.) In my case, it's a want to! Most of the time we can talk at all the stop lights and such, but it would be nice to say things to Beth while riding. We _do_ get out of the District occationally, so it would be especially nice them! > look out for morons in Toyotas staring at the clock and fiddling with > the presets on the radio!! :) In my case, it would be BMW's.... :) -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:12:34 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Summer Riding - Danger Thanks for the post about the dangers of dehydration, Dave. It is indeed an insidious and dangerous aspect of riding in hot weather. All of your tips about keeping well hydrated and being prepared are good. But I found the following comment to be of particular importance: >Lessons I learned: Although I thought we were getting enough fluids, >evidently we weren't. Better to have to make an extra pee stop than a >heat stroke one. I failed to realize how the air flow from riding was >evaporating our perspiration so that we never felt hot. One other thing that can slow the rate of dehydration due to evaporation is to make sure that you always wear long pants and long sleeves when riding in the sun. Many people make the mistake of riding with bare skin exposed to the sun, thinking that they will be cooler. But the fact is that protecting the skin from direct exposure to the sun is both cooler and less dehydrating. And that's just the short-term, right-now benefit; the long term benefit is a greatly reduced risk of skin cancer and other bad-skin problems years from now. Thanks, again for the important reminder. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Re: Rotten tires part 2 I've used only Dunlops K177 on my 90 PC (58K miles), after the original K155s, so I can't speak from a comparison perspective, but I've certainly been satisfied with the Dunlops. They ride well and I get 18-20K on the front and about 13K on the rear. On Fri, 19 Apr 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > Do you remember my rotten tire problem on my 1995 PC800? Well the local > Honda dealer claims that the Honda rep said they don't ahve to warranty > the tires but they will pay for the new tires but NOT the mount and > balancing. Is this rediculous? Should I asked for a phone number or just > take the tires and run? I DID buy the bike third hand with 6000 miles. > Also the dealer doesn't stock the tires and offered to put on any kind > that was around the same price. Which kind should I choose? > Please help the helpless. > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Rick Fisher > Dentman711@aol.com > HSTA # > HRCA # > # JET SKIS = 3 > # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 > FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG > CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:27:29 -0500 (CDT) Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:28:31 -0400 (EDT) To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Summer Riding - Danger Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >One other thing that can slow the rate of dehydration due to evaporation is >to make sure that you always wear long pants and long sleeves when riding in >the sun. Many people make the mistake of riding with bare skin exposed to >the sun, thinking that they will be cooler. But the fact is that protecting >the skin from direct exposure to the sun is both cooler and less dehydrating. When it is very hot (or just hot in general) I wear a long sleeve white T shirt. I have found this keeps me cooler than anything. Plus riding a PC helps a lot. It is the coolest riding bike I have ever owned. (in more ways than one) Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:28:18 -0500 (CDT) Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:30:33 -0400 (EDT) To: "Richard A. Hardy" From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Rotten tires part 2 Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 07:15 AM 4/19/96 -0700, you wrote: >I've used only Dunlops K177 on my 90 PC (58K miles), after the original >K155s, so I can't speak from a comparison perspective, but I've certainly >been satisfied with the Dunlops. They ride well and I get 18-20K on the >front and about 13K on the rear. What pressures do you run to get this kind of mileage out of Dunlops??? Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Waldo E. Meeks" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rotten tires part 2 On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > At 07:15 AM 4/19/96 -0700, you wrote: > >I've used only Dunlops K177 on my 90 PC (58K miles), after the original > >K155s, so I can't speak from a comparison perspective, but I've certainly > >been satisfied with the Dunlops. They ride well and I get 18-20K on the > >front and about 13K on the rear. > > > What pressures do you run to get this kind of mileage out of Dunlops??? Solo - 33 front & rear 2-up - 33 front & 41 rear - per the owners manual. Solo, but loaded with camping gear, etc. - 37-38. > Waldo > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mat Matlock To: "'JTSMCRIDER@aol.com'" , "'Waldo E. Meeks'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Summer Riding - Danger Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:57:08 -0700 In summer in Texas (HOT!), I always wear long pants and a wet sweatshirt. A sweatshirt will hold a lot of water which cools by evaporation. Also, there is always a bottle of water nearby. And I am amazed to see people wearing shorts and t-shirts riding in that kind of weather (100o+). Dehydration, skin cancer, plus asphalt rash, what a combination. >---------- >From: Waldo E. Meeks[SMTP:wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu] >Sent: Friday, April 19, 1996 9:27 AM >To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com >Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Summer Riding - Danger > > >>One other thing that can slow the rate of dehydration due to evaporation is >>to make sure that you always wear long pants and long sleeves when riding in >>the sun. Many people make the mistake of riding with bare skin exposed to >>the sun, thinking that they will be cooler. But the fact is that protecting >>the skin from direct exposure to the sun is both cooler and less >>dehydrating. > >When it is very hot (or just hot in general) I wear a long sleeve white >T shirt. >I have found this keeps me cooler than anything. Plus riding a PC >helps a >lot. It is the coolest riding bike I have ever owned. (in more ways >than one) > >Waldo > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NThompso@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:06:46 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: No Subject If some of you would like to look at the page mentioned below and let me know if this is a better link to put on our page than the current "Scorched Earth" page. My approach has been to find the one best index page and link to that instead of trying to maintain all those links myself. Let me know what you think. In a message dated 96-04-19 04:04:50 EDT, mshopper@iag.net writes: >Subj: No Subject >Date: 96-04-19 04:04:50 EDT >From: mshopper@iag.net >To: Kenth.Jalsbo@abc.se (Harley-Davidson Club Sweden), >HOG@emin19.mail.aol.com > >"What's New @ WWW Moto Directory" button. > >Now you can add a feature to your Web page that will provide a valuable free >service to your visitors. You can display the "What's New @ WWW Moto >Directory" button in your homepage by following the instructions below. >After you update your pages to include this short command string, visitors >to your site will have immediate access to a wealth of information, every >day--and best of all--free of charge! The WWW Moto Directory lists hundreds >of motorcycle-related Web sites; from mopeds to big twins and everything in >between. Add this free service to your homepage by adding the following text >string (highlight the following text and copy): > >
>
ACTION="http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com/links/whatsnew.htm"> >
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> >After copying the above statement, use the "paste" command to add the string >to your homepage's HTML. Save and publish your updated homepage and you're >done! > >Note: Since you received this e-mail, your Web page is listed in the WWW >Moto Directory. > >Thanks for your consideration. > >Regards, > >Luis A. Hernandez, Jr. >Publisher >Motorcycle Shopper Online >Motorcycle Shopper Magazine > >E-mail: or > >Phone: 407-860-1989 - Fax: 407-574-1014 >Web Site: http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com > > > --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mshopper@iag.net To: Kenth.Jalsbo@abc.se (Harley-Davidson Club Sweden), HOG@emin19.mail.aol.com Date: 96-04-19 04:04:50 EDT "What's New @ WWW Moto Directory" button. Now you can add a feature to your Web page that will provide a valuable free service to your visitors. You can display the "What's New @ WWW Moto Directory" button in your homepage by following the instructions below. After you update your pages to include this short command string, visitors to your site will have immediate access to a wealth of information, every day--and best of all--free of charge! The WWW Moto Directory lists hundreds of motorcycle-related Web sites; from mopeds to big twins and everything in between. Add this free service to your homepage by adding the following text string (highlight the following text and copy):
After copying the above statement, use the "paste" command to add the string to your homepage's HTML. Save and publish your updated homepage and you're done! Note: Since you received this e-mail, your Web page is listed in the WWW Moto Directory. Thanks for your consideration. Regards, Luis A. Hernandez, Jr. Publisher Motorcycle Shopper Online Motorcycle Shopper Magazine E-mail: or Phone: 407-860-1989 - Fax: 407-574-1014 Web Site: http://www.mshopper.eurografix.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:13:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:13:32 -0700 To: Dentman711@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Rotten tires part 2 hi ya I've tried a few different types of tires..WITHOUT A DOUBT...switch to Metzler ML2's if you can afford to do it..should run you about $300 including mounting and balancing... I did it last fall..the differnce is incredible..the bike is SIGNIFICANTLY more nimble and agile...it feels lighter, smoother..the front end no longer 'dips' into a turn, just smoothly glides through. While you're at if, if you can afford an extra $100, I strongly recommend putting 'Progressive' springs in the front end. My brothers PC is still stock with the Dunlops/front end, and when we switch bikes on occasion, well....lets just say I'm saving $$ for his birthday :>) >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:17:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:17:36 -0700 To: NThompso@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Fwd: No Subject neil...the page looks nice..I may even snag the HTML code for my own home page :>) _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:23:52 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Dehydration - how to tell? Hi Folks - I've found that there is an easy way to tell if you're taking in enough fluids in hot weather - if you are, you generally need to make occasional restroom stops. If you're not getting rid of any fluids in restrooms (urine), then it's all going out through your skin (sweat), and you need to drink more.... My simple minded $.02 - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:41:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:41:47 -0700 To: NThompso@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Fwd: No Subject hi ya neil! hey...I've been doing lots of cool stuff with PAGE MILL lately..check out the URL's included in my signature...you interested in having me work on the web page a little...might be fun! also...I'm having a bitch of a time getting a counter to work on my page..how did you get the one on the PC page to happen????? _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html for ; Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:01:32 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bob Ray To: "'PC800 mail list'" Subject: RE: Dehydration - how to tell? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:52:06 -0500 To paraphrase Tom Clancy (Clear and Present Danger), if you don't have to pee, you aren't drinking enough. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Spencer Farrow[SMTP:sfarrow@radford.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 1996 10:23 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Dehydration - how to tell? Hi Folks - I've found that there is an easy way to tell if you're taking in enough fluids in hot weather - if you are, you generally need to make occasional restroom stops. If you're not getting rid of any fluids in restrooms (urine), then it's all going out through your skin (sweat), and you need to drink more.... My simple minded $.02 - Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:06:39 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Tire recommendations? Honda agreed to put on the new tires if I pay labor, which seems fair enough since I bought the 1995 bike used; I'm the third owner. So far the ML2 tires and Battalax have been highly rated. Any other choices? The Honda dealer said he'ld put on any tire, within reason ;-) Thanks Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:41:10 -0700 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Summer Riding - Danger Postscript To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Thanks to all for the very positive and educational comments. One other item I forgot to add to the original story follows: Since our experience, I have tried to figure out why the heat affected Debbie so strongly and not me. While there could be a number of explantations including the evaporation rate for her was higher because she was more in the windstream as a passenger than I was, one factor that I believe was important was the color of our helmets. I was wearing a Pearl White helmet and Debbie was wearing a grey/black helmet. We have all heard that you should wear light colored clothes in hot weather to reflect the sun rather than absorb it, and I suppose that would also apply to helmets. Your head is going to bake much quicker in a dark colored helmet than a light colored on. I'm not taking any chances and have ordered another pearl white helmet for Debbie. Safe Riding, Dave Lott ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: brian.kaplan@octel.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 177e50d0; Fri, 19 Apr 96 12:10:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 12:05:50 -0700 Subject: PC89 Pricing Question To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi, My name is Brian Kaplan and I have been thinking about a PC purchase for about 6 months now. This morning I saw a 89PC with 17k miles on it. The bike has NO extras such as a better winsheild or backrests, etc. The bike has been droped at least once on each side. Thus, the plastic in nearly all places needs some repair or replacement. The bike appears to be in pretty good mechanical shape. The rear tire has 3k and the front about 1k miles. I think the asking price is too high at $3,000 and would welcome any thoughts from group members. I am having the bike brought to Milipas Honda, CA this weekend for an inspection. Any guidance would be most appreciated. - Brian Kaplan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:15:26 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Road Wear I am curious to find out what we "PCers" wear when we ride. I have a stong fear of what would happen if I crashed, or even laid the bike down. I always wear a full face helmet, leather riding gloves, leather riding boots, a protective "Motorcycle" jacket, and, of course, a full face helmet. I am in the proccess of choosing a pair of denier riding pants (I am looking for something that breathes well, is not waterproofed, and has knee and hip padding) so if any one has a suggestion. I am not looking to spend the big $s for these so I have yet to find any. I just know that Levis do not offer any real protection. Here in WY and CO there is not a helmet law. Though I feel it is there right to choose (as long as they have their own health insurance) I am amazed and afraid for those who choose not to wear a helmet. I was in CO the other day and I saw quite a few young guys (younger than my 29 years) riding with shorts and a t-shirt. I fell of a Motobicane moped when I was 13 and was only wearing shorts and a T-shirt. I could not have been going more than 20 mph. I was so beat up and had such road rash. It covered my face, arms, legs, etc... You get the picture. I was lucky that there was not another car involved. I can not imagine what it would be like to slide on bare skin at 40-50 mph. So to repeat my question, what does everyone out there wear? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:34:54 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: pc800 CB Does anyone have a recommendation on a CB/stereo setup for the PC? I'd like to install everything permenantly rather than have to remove it every time I leave the bike (ala tank bag unit). Thanks in advance for your help. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'brian.kaplan@octel.com'" Subject: RE: PC89 Pricing Question Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:08:06 -0700 That's fairly low mileage and if the bike checks out clean under all the plastic (no corrosion on the engine/frame, hoses look good) then it's probably not a bad deal 'cause these bikes are getting rare. Replacing the crash guards isn't that expensive. One tip if you want to keep them is cover the scratched area with reflective tape. I sanded down the scratches and covered all four with the tape. Provides good visibility and looks good too! Side note: Milpitas Honda has great pricing and a web page for parts, accessories. Cheapest air filters I've ever found for the PC. They even sent me a Christmas card way up here in Seattle! >-bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: brian.kaplan@octel.com CC: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:14:58 Subject: Re: PC89 Pricing Question From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hi Brian, Congrats on your goood taste. I think we have seen prices of $3K to $4K for bikes of the 89 vintage with that kind of mileage that have NOT been dropped. I'd find out what all the panels will cost and go from there. Also, if it's been dropped..... has it been maintained mechanically???? Good Luck Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 20:08:09 +0600 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Replacing brake and clutch fluid Content-Id: <19_68_1_829958889> It's time to replace brake and clutch fluid, an operation I haven't done before. If I just drain out all the fluid, after refilling I'll have to make sure there's no air left in the systems by bleeding them, and I seem to recall that other problems can arise. Is there any reason why I can't replace the fluid by opening the drain valve, squeezing the handle to drive fluid out, and simultaneously refilling the reservoir with fresh fluid, repeating this until I see clean fluid coming out the other end? In this way no air should get into the system in the first place. And does anyone know the capacity of the brake and clutch systems? It's nowhere that I can find in my shop manual or owner's manual ('89). Also, I've never changed the fork oil, and the shop manual does not recommend periodic replacement. Any ideas on this? --James ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'jhyder@erols.com'" Subject: RE: Replacing brake and clutch fluid Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:19:10 -0700 The method you describe is the one I try to use. I say try cause I have messed up and let things drain completely. It's REALLY hard to get the bubbles out when that happens. I let thing drain most of the way, fill with fresh, drain most of the way, fill with fresh, and repeat several times. A PINT of fluid will be plenty and allow you to drain and fill several times on both brake and clutch reservoirs. Remember to only use a fresh/unopened container of fluid. Warning: Your braking and clutch will dramatically improve. It'll make you wonder why you didn't change the fluids sooner. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: jhyder@erols.com[SMTP:jhyder@erols.com] >Sent: Friday, April 19, 1996 7:08 AM >To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Replacing brake and clutch fluid > >It's time to replace brake and clutch fluid, an operation I haven't >done >before. If I just drain out all the fluid, after refilling I'll have >to >make sure there's no air left in the systems by bleeding them, and I >seem to >recall that other problems can arise. Is there any reason why I can't >replace the fluid by opening the drain valve, squeezing the handle to >drive >fluid out, and simultaneously refilling the reservoir with fresh fluid, > >repeating this until I see clean fluid coming out the other end? In >this >way no air should get into the system in the first place. And does >anyone >know the capacity of the brake and clutch systems? It's nowhere that I >can >find in my shop manual or owner's manual ('89). > > >Also, I've never changed the fork oil, and the shop manual does not >recommend periodic replacement. Any ideas on this? > >--James >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:54:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 18:48:27 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Road Wear Chris, Without exception, jeans, leather boots (or rarely hiking boots), a First Gear MC Jacket or medium weight leather. Before I got the MC jacket, if it was really hot I'd wear a long-sleeved denim shirt. THe MC jacket's got great venting, so that's the ticket from now on. I have a Shoei 3/4 and an RF700 full helmet, & which I wear depends on weather & distance. I like the 3/4 for in-town cruising, but for power touring it's the full face all the way. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:42:25 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Joel Goldman Subject: Oil Leak I bought an '89 pc800 with 4000 miles on it recently and am experiencing an oil leak at the seal or gasket that runs beside the oil drain plug on the bottom of the engine. Has anyone else had this problem and is it difficult to replace this gasket? Thanks for the help Joel ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 00:48:37 -0400 To: joel@interlog.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil Leak The owners manual suggests that the washer at the drainplug be examined and replaced if smashed too flat. Could that be the source of your leak? Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:08:28 -0400 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Return to Rotten tires part 2 > I ___KNOW___ Dave paid $325 for both ML2s, and I think Dunlops are around $80 each I AM CERTAIN!!!!! Caught ya! trying to mislead me on the price :-) Just haven' a little fun. Today the Honda parts Mgr. checked availabilty of suitable tires for the PC and could only find the ML2+'s or the stock Honda issued Dunlops. He recommended the Battalax but we couldn't find the tier size for the PC. So I have ordered the ML2+'s unless someone can come up with a Battalax size for the PC before Tuesday. The ML2+'s will set me back $75 in addition to the $45 mount & balance. The parts Mgr. said he has NEVER seen Honda warranty a tire! He is a Jet Ski buddy of mine and I firmly believe ANYTHING he tells me. So I guess I got lucky :-) Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:08:33 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Battalax tire size for PC? I will attempt to find this in the PC archives again but could someone tell me the tire size and any other specifics about the Battalax tire for the PC800? The dealer couldn't find the tires for the PC listed. Thanks Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com HSTA # HRCA # # JET SKIS = 3 # MOTORIZED VEHICLES WITH LESS THAN 3 WHEELS = 1 FASTEST I'VE BEEN ON A BIKE = I GOT ON PRETTY FAST ONE TIME WHEN A DOG CHASED ME DOES THAT COUNT? for ; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:13:55 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 08:08:04 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Road Wear As a regular commuter in DC, I wear a heavy leather jacket, leather chaps (which will be abandoned when the temp gets above 80) full face helmet, leather western style work boots, and gloves. If it gets very hot (100's) I'll go down to a denim jacket, but I always feel naked. Don't have any recommendations for riding chaps for the summer, but would sure like to find some for myself and wife to be. Let us know what you find! -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'Eric Matthews'" Cc: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: RE: Intercoms Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 23:32:22 -0400 Being of a cheap persuasion also, I went to Radio Shack and bought their = FM intercom pair intended for bicycle riders and such. I removed the = over-the-head piece, took the ear speaker out and mounted it in the = helmet. What contained the ear speaker now has velcro on the back and a = 1/8" jack that plugs into a mini jack that I installed in the side of my = helmet. Taking off the foam on the microphone, I used a soldering iron = to poke a hole to the right of my mouth in the padding of my Shoei. I = used a couple of stick-on cable clips to hold the wire to the = electronics box and one to wrap the antenna around the base of the = helmet. The pair was on sale for $40 and works fine, has excellent = range, and at lower speed touring can be operated in vox vs. PTT mode. = The only inconvenience is the cord to the electronics box attaches to = the ear piece that is stuck with velcro to the side of the helmet -- you = need to remember that it's there when taking the helmet off. Range on = this unit is great -- about 1/2 mile. The only real problem is that the = walkie-talkie frequency is used by baby monitors and kids causing more = than desired interference in metropolitan areas but not a problem is = less settled areas. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Eric Matthews[SMTP:ericeric@cris.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 1996 3:28 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Intercoms Dave Lott wrote: >=20 > I hope ya'll don't mind my changing the name of the thread. I don't > mean to be harsh or insensitive, but I would rather focus on those > items that I can control (skill level, safety, destinations, > accessories, mods, etc.); than those things I can control (taxes). >=20 > >From reading the other posts, it looks like I go to the head of the > CHEAP pack; as I am using the NADY intercom set that I purchased for > about $60. While the FM radio part doesn't work that well, the > intercom does pretty good for my bride and I. Hey, after 23 years of > marriage to a woman with MIRR (minimal interval to restroom), I have > learned that communication is vital. >=20 > The NADY does get some wind noise above 50 mph, eventhough we are > wearing full face helmets. We run off of the 3 AAA batteries, but = they > do sell an accessory when you run a pigtail off your bike's electrical > system. >=20 > I am looking to upgrade, primarily to be able to add a walkman or CD; > but have a limited budget. Any suggestions (related only to intercoms > please) would be appreciated. >=20 > Ride Safe, > Dave Lott > 89 Pacific Coast > -- I went the cheap route too and bought the Nady PMC3. I hate it. It has = a really bad (painful) static problem, especially over 30mph. I've had=20 to send it off to Nady for repair, which they tell me will take 4 to 6=20 weeks! I tried a Chatterbox unit but couldn't get it to mount to the=20 helmets in a reasonable manner. Whatever. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Apr 96 09:31:04 EDT From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 owners Subject: Holidays Hi to all Yeehaw, holiday starts coming Monday. Expect to arrive at SFO at around 1600 hours. You'd better be careful on the roads as of next Friday because I will be riding in the San Francisco Bay Area on a rented Connie. Unfortunately no one rents out a PC but the view of the real Pacific Coast will compensate for that. Will be visiting Honda of Milpitas next Thursday to get the things I ordered from them. Really very cooperative and friendly people!! The Saeng windshield edging and the Mr Bob's wrist rest already have arrived at the San Carlos address I will be staying Steve and Neill, let me know when you come up with results re the Ian Smith package. I'm still available to help. Will be back in the Netherlands on May 15th Erin, Looking forward meeting you on Saturday for the ride and talk to you soon!!! Bye for now Willem van Alderwerelt, The Netherlands 101362.2663@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna => 1994: 1989 PC800 => 1995: 1995 PC800 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:51:06 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:42:56 -0700 From: rmathews@us1.net (Robert Mathews) To: Pacific Coast Listing Subject: New Mexico Con't. All, The riding has been alittle windy lately but the weather is in the 70's. The PC seens to run very well in high (30-50 mph) winds, I just hide behind the windshield and "Hammer down". I need to know where I can get a right side mirror assembly with out the turn indicator light. A.S.A.P. The honda dealer in town has had the part on order for two weeks and it is the same old story, "tomorrow, it should be on the truck tomorrow". The mirror is for a red 96 color code pc201 (I think ;) As for music on the road I have come up with a good plan. I purchased a sony digital walkman am/fm with 10 perset stations. I clip the radio to the right sleeve, and run the wire up the sleeve to the ear phones, pull the helmet on and am ready to go. This will have to do until I can either buy a tank bag or a bag that will strap on my left leg. The radio comes with a clock and a stop watch. The system works great!!! As for riding gear out here, heavy leather jacket, Levis, heavy leather boots, guntlet style gloves, and full face helmet. That is for now, in the middle of summer might be another story.;) Robert P. Mathews, CNA/CNE 1996 PC 800 RED!!!!!!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:19:50 -0400 The Koni shocks that just arrived and the stock shocks from my '94 PC = are sitting on my workbench as I contemplate alternatives. =20 The mounting lug for the top of the shock on the PC's body is larger = than the hole in the Koni shock. The bottom hole in the Koni shock is = much larger than the stock bolt that holds the bottom of the shock in = place. I assume that this is affects PC's from '94 on and explains why the Koni = lists the application as being up to '93. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly = different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. = Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to = fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:11:53 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Road Wear Hi Chris. Motoport makes pants to go with that new GP-2 Jacket you just got. Same material, same padding, same ventilation. The jacket and pants zip together to form a "suit" if you want to. I have the set, and I wear them a lot, especially when it's hot. It's a bit on the sporty side, stylewise, but it does the job of providing protection and comfort. And at the "clearance" prices they seem to be offering right now, it's a pretty good bargain. I also have full leathers that I wear in the spring and fall. And I have a heavy, multi-layered Kevlar suit I got in Germany about 15 years ago. I wear it when it's on the coolish side. I never wear anything but a full-coverage helmet, and I always wear it whenever I ride. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:12:10 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dehydration - how to tell? Hi all, For what it's worth, back in survival school many decades ago they taught us that one sign of dehydration was dark urine. So even if you're making occasional restroom visits, you could still be running low on fluids. If you're putting out light-colored urine, you're in good shape. If it gets dark, drink more. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:12:16 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Battalax tire size for PC? Hi Rick. The only one I know about who has actually used a Battlaxe on a PC was Kent Polk, who used to be on the list but doesn't seem to be around any more. He used a street-compound 120/17ZR17 on the front and a Metzeler ML2 on the rear. He was pleased with this setup, but you won't find it on any OEM charts for the PC. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:32:05 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: FW: New Tags!! -Reply At 04:17 PM 4/18/96 -0700, you wrote: >The only thing I'm afraid of is that if I get a comm unit, brother >Dave'll get one for his PC, then I'll have to listen to him sing. It >ain't pretty. That's what the "off switch is for, Steve :-) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:46:30 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Summer Riding - Danger Postscript At 09:41 AM 4/19/96 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks to all for the very positive and educational comments. One >other item I forgot to add to the original story follows: > >Since our experience, I have tried to figure out why the heat affected >Debbie so strongly and not me. While there could be a number of >explantations including the evaporation rate for her was higher because >she was more in the windstream as a passenger than I was, one factor >that I believe was important was the color of our helmets. I was >wearing a Pearl White helmet and Debbie was wearing a grey/black >helmet. Here's my $0.02. I really doubt that the helmet color had anything to do with it. The shock absorbing material of the helmet: expanded poly-styrene (styrofoam) is one of the best insulators around, and helmets have 2 - 2 1/2 inches worth of it, so very little heat should be reaching your head from the shell. On the other hand, very little of the heat your body generates can escape, so take your pick... Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 14:59:16 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us At 10:19 AM 4/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? Ummm... get back to Koni and tell them they sent you the wrong shocks? :-) Sorry. Good luck, and please keep us updated. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:02:07 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: pc800 CB At 02:34 PM 4/19/96 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone have a recommendation on a CB/stereo setup for the PC? I'd like >to install everything permenantly rather than have to remove it every time >I leave the bike (ala tank bag unit). Thanks in advance for your help. I've seen some people cut out the left fairing pocket and drop a radio there. If you don't mind performing a radical "pocket-ectomy," :-( it might be the way to go. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Apr 96 21:55:53 EDT From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:KlassC@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Subject: Re: Road Wear Chris, Full face helmet MC gloves Aerostich Solid low boots (I NEVER leave the parking lot w/o this stuff!) A friend of mine got a pair of cordura chaps from (I think) Motoport, paid around $100 for them and is very happy w/ the fit, quality, and service. Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '91 Pontiac Grand Am Quad-4 '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot  ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 02:06:28 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800" Subject: AM/FM Radio &CB I am going to install a CB radio that I bought from JC Whitney. It is almost completely contained in the microphone/speaker unit. I have one in my truck that works very well. Cost $79.95 on sale. I also got a very small black rubber CB/AM/FM antenna that I going to use to replace the existing radio antenna. I plan to leave the CB in the trunk and just pull it out when needed. I just received a set of BassMonster speakers that I plan to install in my helmet that will hopefully allow me to hear the Hondaline radio. The indash speakers are useless at any speed (even with a 50w amp). I will let the group know how this works out. My new Combat Boots just came in from Aerostitch. I hope that they breakin some. They don't seem to be flexible enough to use on the PC shifter. I enjoy all the notes that I receive from the PC group. My wife is jealous! Dana, I joined HSTA. Thanks for sending the info. Finally, I just can't get over what a joy it is to ride my PC. I am glad that I came to my senses and went back to the PC. So quiet yet plenty of performance. I get a lot of complements on the bike from non-motorcyclist. The Harley's that I ride with thinks it sucks but I can walk the dog on them. Vince PS I wear a Motoline Dual sport jacket and pants when I ride any distance. Even in the summer I wear a light weight jacket. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 23:19:48 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Road Wear Hi, Chris! You asked what other riders wear. I'm of like opinion, and ironically it's because I crashed a MoPed when I was 14. I had modified it (taken off the governor) so when I hit gravel on a corner at 35 mph, I ended up with the same scars as you did. I ALWAYS wear my MotoPort Canyon jacket. It has the standard MotoPort crash protection system, including the plastic skid plate, so I feel very protected in it. Of course, I don't ride in extremely hot weather much of the year (unless I venture out of the NW), but even when I do, it has a good venting system. It's really warm in our winter weather and very waterproof, and all I have do do in weather over about 65 degrees is take out the liner. I've worn the Shoei RF200 helmet for years. Still the best helmet at affordable prices that I could find; very quiet and very comfortable. I wear it even in those states that don't have a helmet law; kinda like wearing my seat belt. I just don't feel comfortable without it. It's full-face but that's not a problem. Shoei's got the little do-hickey that allows you to crank it open just a notch for airflow if it's too hot. Besides, I have fairly long hair. Do you know what it's like to get the tangles out after a long ride without a helmet? :-)) You didn't mention eye protection, but I will. I recently bought a pair of LessLight safety glasses (had a post on them to the list). The more I wear 'em, the more I like 'em. They're comfortable, provide great protection, and are great when I need to switch to amber or clear for low-light or night conditions. Sure makes it nice when I ride with the face shield open. Like you, I've been searching for some good pants. MotoPort makes some good companions to the Canyon with the knee/shin protection. I'll probably go that route; anyone I've seen at rallys that are wearing them swear by them. Foot gear? I broke down about 5 years ago and bought a GOOD pair of riding boots that are 12" high. I always wear them when I ride. I like the ankle protection, and besides, it's taken me these 5 years just to break them in! In the winter I wear the TourMaster touring gloves; in the summer I have a pair of TourMaster's lightweight gloves. They probably wouldn't last very long in a long skid, but I don't feel right without gloves on. Besides, I'll just tuck and roll...! Not evangalizin', just my HO (humble opinion). Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 00:43:27 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Road Wear Chris. The GP-2 pants are designed to fit inside boots; that is, they in conjunction with the jacket are essentially a sportbike/racing suit. They would not be suited for wearing over street clothes. The Ultra II is designed more like you are looking for. Another option, while not providing nearly as much protection, would be the Hondaline summer riding suit. It is patterned after the old MA Brown summer suit (which I have and wear during the summer also). It's a light-weight suit designed to be worn over other clothing (like even a business suit) or it may be worn alone. It has padding on the knees and shoulders, but it is no where near the armor in the motoport suit. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BIKERJEFFT@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 00:49:52 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu cc: BIKERJEFFT@aol.com Subject: Radio's-Permanent Install / Renege / Misc Greetings, Hi, my name is Jeff Tucker. I live in Salem, MA and have been *lurking* on this list for 1 1/2 months. I am amazed by the great content of the web pages and the level of discussion on the mail list! Great job guys!! My 'renege' experience: I have a '90 PC that I bought in Dec. 1992 from a man in the deep reaches of NH for $4,000. (The man advertised it for $3,900, and it had 1,226miles on it. It also came with trunk mats, and passenger backrest.) After I had paid for the bike (with personal check) and had a signed p & s agreement, he called me repeatedly to try and back out of the sale. Obviously, he came to his senses about the value of the bike. After the third or fourth call in two days, my brother and I drove up and 'snatched/retrieved' the bike. I felt bad that I was getting such a great deal (possibly at his expense), but after seeing the bike it was like love at first sight-I had to have it. I actually installed two different Sony car stereo's in my bike, separately of course. The first radio was an AM/FM/CD player with detachable faceplate. I obtained the installation instructions and ordered some parts (manufactured for the Hondaline radio) with the Honda dealership's help. Namely: Antenna and mounting bracket Wiring harness and grommet Speakers, speaker grilles and edging Assorted screws and fasteners I attached the radio to the outer right side of the inner trunk using metal fasteners (remove the screws holding the trunk weather flap and the outer trunk piece will release). The installation instructions showed how the wiring harness was hooked up. Having the stock radio speakers simplified the process. The difficult part was hard wiring the radio's faceplate to the dashboard. (In other words, the stereo unit remained in the trunk and the faceplate, which would normally attach to the front of the unit, would sit on the dash.) I cut a large hole in the bottom of the fairing pocket and soldered ribbon cable to the connections at both ends of the faceplate connectors. Then, I attached the faceplate to the dash using velcro. This made it easy to store the faceplate in the fairing pocket when it rained. Eventually, the ribbon cable broke down and the CD player got all dirty inside and I replaced it with RADIO II. RADIO II is a Sony AM/FM/Cassette Player car stereo with removable faceplate. I used the same connections from the wiring harness and fasteners, but modified the controller connection and left the faceplate where it belongs-on the front of the stereo. The new Sony stereo 'XR-6450' has a special connector to attach a 'RM-X2S' driver's remote control unit. This new controller is designed for attaching to the steering wheel of a car so the driver does not have to take his hands off the wheel to operate the radio. It connects to the stereo using an ordinary stereo headphone-style cable. It is very simple to connect, simple to use, and tucks in the fairing pocket when not in use. The only warning I have is this: you must remember to pop the faceplate up when you park the bike, as the radio time display tends to drain the battery, especially in cold weather. If anyone is interested, I can snail mail polaroids of the installation and copies of the installation manual, or try to transfer pictures to you. (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:04:08 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Ascon de Vries To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Clutch problem Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 08:34:29 +0200 As I was driving on the highway I found my clutch slipping as I opened = the throttle to its far extends. This occurs only in 4th and 5th gear if = the engine is running at min 300 rpm's. I have a 89' PC with 34000 trouble-free miles on it. Should I make any adjustments ?=20 Or could it be that the plates have gone > Is that normal with only = 34.000 mls ? As I am going for a ride to Italy in a couple of weeks I would be very = happy if somebody could give me some advise. Greetings to you all, Ascon de Vries (gorgon@xs4all.nl) for ; Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:12:24 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 07:06:27 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Re: Radio's-Permanent Install / Renege / Misc could we see about getting this info on the web page? Sounds interesting. I would like to see how it works out! -- ====================================================================== \ Peace, + lucas.m@nmaa.org / / Mark J. Lucas + http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm \ ===================================================================== 21 Apr 1996 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:21:19 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Flashing your lights To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I was talking to a couple of other motorcyclists (i.e. non-PC800 types) ;-) and they gave me a tip I thought I would pass along. I'm not sure this is safe or wise so I'm looking for an opinion :-). While riding the "Ortega" (a twisty bit of freeway), they would often pass other motorcycles and feel the urge to wave. On the Ortega you are usually in a bit of a lean so releasing one hand to wave could lead to bad things :-). They recommended that you tap your starter switch a couple of times. Since the engine is in gear (in theory), all this does is wink the headlights a bit. I think it also spins the starter motor but (I hope) harmlessly. In this way, you can keep a reasonable hold on the bars. To be honest, punching the starter switch does take away some control from the throttle a bit. Is this safer than a wave? Can this damage the starter? Harrison 21 Apr 1996 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:29:04 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: AM/FM Radio &CB To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 02:06:28 +0000 (UT) >From: Vincent Santamaria >Subject: AM/FM Radio &CB >To: PC800 > >I am going to install a CB radio that I bought from JC Whitney. It is almost >completely contained in the microphone/speaker unit. I have one in my truck >that works very well. Cost $79.95 on sale. I also got a very small black >rubber CB/AM/FM antenna that I going to use to replace the existing radio >antenna. I plan to leave the CB in the trunk and just pull it out when needed. A small piece of advice for you :-). Loosely wire up the CB radio and antenna, start the bike and see if the noise level is acceptable (as in interference with your signal; not audio noise). You may find that your CB radio (or PC800) needs to filter some of this. Just thought I would mention this since I'm always the guy that puts back the 32 screws before trying out the system to see if it works! ;-) Harrison (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:51:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:00:02 -0700 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Flashing your lights I'm not sure, but I think hitting the starter at any time other than starting the bike is not the best idea.... I vaguely remember my MSF instructor saying, "If you can't take a hand off the bars to wave when you want to, you're going too fast.":) Other suggestions: flash your highbeams? nod politely? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 23:38:23 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "pc800" , "Steve Gross" Subject: RE: Flashing your lights I agree with Steve but we could be wrong. I like your "Get the retainer up front". I have been burned in my consulting work. I would add " Get a signed statement of work also" Vince ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Steve Gross Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 1:00 PM To: pc800 Subject: Re: Flashing your lights I'm not sure, but I think hitting the starter at any time other than starting the bike is not the best idea.... I vaguely remember my MSF instructor saying, "If you can't take a hand off the bars to wave when you want to, you're going too fast.":) Other suggestions: flash your highbeams? nod politely? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 96 23:42:10 UT From: "Vincent Santamaria" To: "PC800" Subject: Mobile One Oil Gang, I don't want to beat a dead horse but I swear that my PC shifts better and gets better gas mileage with Mobil 1. All these years I have said that it was a waste of money to buy synthetic oil. Maybe I was wrong. Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 02:43:31 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Paul Browne" , "PC800 Forum" Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us I am comparing the Koni shocks to my OEM shocks from my 1990PC. Both the top eyes on the Koni's are too small. Both the bottom ones are too big for the RH side. The bottoms look like they might be ok for the LH bottom. One out of four! Of course less than 4 out of 4 sucks. I plan to call Competition Accessories tomorrow morning and inform them of the situation. Looks like I'll be eating the round trip shipping charges. I'll leave dealing with Koni to C-A. When I called Koni all the guy knew was the data sheet. If they are able to use them in the Netherlands, where they were developed, we obviously have been delivered the incorrect models. The length looks about right. Who cares, eh? Works Performance for a few bucks more might still be the best route. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Saturday, April 20, 1996 7:19 AM To: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us The Koni shocks that just arrived and the stock shocks from my '94 PC = are sitting on my workbench as I contemplate alternatives. =20 The mounting lug for the top of the shock on the PC's body is larger = than the hole in the Koni shock. The bottom hole in the Koni shock is = much larger than the stock bolt that holds the bottom of the shock in = place. I assume that this is affects PC's from '94 on and explains why the Koni = lists the application as being up to '93. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly = different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. = Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to = fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 02:53:32 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Harrison Spain" <_spain@edsug.com>, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Flashing your lights The starter will not run unless the tranny is in neutral or the clutch lever is pulled in. Honda has used this interlock to prevent the starter from engaging while in gear. That works with the sidestand interlock to kill the engine when the sidestand goes down. I've been using this method for years to flash my headlights with no negative results as far as I can tell. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Harrison Spain Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 10:21 AM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Flashing your lights I was talking to a couple of other motorcyclists (i.e. non-PC800 types) ;-) and they gave me a tip I thought I would pass along. I'm not sure this is safe or wise so I'm looking for an opinion :-). While riding the "Ortega" (a twisty bit of freeway), they would often pass other motorcycles and feel the urge to wave. On the Ortega you are usually in a bit of a lean so releasing one hand to wave could lead to bad things :-). They recommended that you tap your starter switch a couple of times. Since the engine is in gear (in theory), all this does is wink the headlights a bit. I think it also spins the starter motor but (I hope) harmlessly. In this way, you can keep a reasonable hold on the bars. To be honest, punching the starter switch does take away some control from the throttle a bit. Is this safer than a wave? Can this damage the starter? Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 02:59:35 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Vincent Santamaria" , "PC800" Subject: RE: Mobile One Oil You might find your idle increases a couple hundred rpm also. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Vincent Santamaria Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 4:42 PM To: PC800 Subject: Mobile One Oil Gang, I don't want to beat a dead horse but I swear that my PC shifts better and gets better gas mileage with Mobil 1. All these years I have said that it was a waste of money to buy synthetic oil. Maybe I was wrong. Vince ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'Roger Prince'" Cc: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, and maybe some good news!! Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:38:30 -0400 Okay, here as solution to the obvious difference between the mounting = holes/lugs/bolts on US vs. European PC800's. I THINK this is going to = work. I've test ridden the solution and it seems to hold up. Press out the Honda bushings at the top of both shocks and the bottom of = ONE, same on the Konis. (A large vice and a couple of appropriate = sockets will do the job.) The bottom bolt on the left side fits the = Koni's hole. Press the Honda bushings into the Konis. They will fit = loosely. Fill the space carefully with RTV or silicone sealer and let = cure for 24 hours. =20 I'll recheck this in a couple of months, but my experience with = RTV/silicone on the past is that it's quite tough. If you're worried, = try the high temp version. =20 The results in terms of ride and handling are absolutely worth the = change. A much smoother ride and none of the funny jerks in turns, = particularly high-speed sweepers. One thing I do notice now is a mismatch between the front and the rear = end. It's not a problem, but it would be great to get the same smooth = springing and damping in the front now. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince[SMTP:RogerPrince@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 10:43 PM To: Paul Browne; PC800 Forum Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us I am comparing the Koni shocks to my OEM shocks from my 1990PC. Both = the top=20 eyes on the Koni's are too small. Both the bottom ones are too big for = the RH=20 side. The bottoms look like they might be ok for the LH bottom. One = out of=20 four! Of course less than 4 out of 4 sucks. I plan to call Competition = Accessories tomorrow morning and inform them of the situation. Looks = like=20 I'll be eating the round trip shipping charges. I'll leave dealing with = Koni=20 to C-A. When I called Koni all the guy knew was the data sheet. If = they are=20 able to use them in the Netherlands, where they were developed, we = obviously=20 have been delivered the incorrect models. The length looks about right. = Who=20 cares, eh? Works Performance for a few bucks more might still be the best route. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Saturday, April 20, 1996 7:19 AM To: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us The Koni shocks that just arrived and the stock shocks from my '94 PC = =3D are sitting on my workbench as I contemplate alternatives. =3D20 The mounting lug for the top of the shock on the PC's body is larger =3D than the hole in the Koni shock. The bottom hole in the Koni shock is = =3D much larger than the stock bolt that holds the bottom of the shock in = =3D place. I assume that this is affects PC's from '94 on and explains why the Koni = =3D lists the application as being up to '93. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly = =3D different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. =3D Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to = =3D fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 21:02:02 -0400 To: pbrowne@idsonline.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, and maybe some good new > I've test ridden the solution and it seems to hold up. > >Press out the Honda bushings at the top of both shocks and the bottom of >ONE, same on the Konis. (A large vice and a couple of appropriate sockets >will do the job.) The bottom bolt on the left side fits the Koni's hole. >Press the Honda bushings into the Konis. They will fit loosely. Fill the >space carefully with RTV or silicone sealer and let cure for 24 hours. I would rather find another shock from Koni with bushings that would fit tight. Call Koni and give them the o.d and i.d and let them find some in their inventory and send them to you or install them for you. Sincere thanks Rick Fisher Dentman711@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 05:42:59 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Paul Browne" Cc: "PC800 Forum" Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, and maybe some good news!! Where did you buy the Koni's? My Honda bushings are pretty beat up, especially the bottom LH. I plan to call Competition Accessories in the morning. I'd prefer to get shocks that fit rather than fight later over whether my changing bushing voided the Koni warranty. Are you able to adjust the preload and/or damping? ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 5:38 PM To: Roger Prince Cc: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, and maybe some good news!! Okay, here as solution to the obvious difference between the mounting = holes/lugs/bolts on US vs. European PC800's. I THINK this is going to = work. I've test ridden the solution and it seems to hold up. Press out the Honda bushings at the top of both shocks and the bottom of = ONE, same on the Konis. (A large vice and a couple of appropriate = sockets will do the job.) The bottom bolt on the left side fits the = Koni's hole. Press the Honda bushings into the Konis. They will fit = loosely. Fill the space carefully with RTV or silicone sealer and let = cure for 24 hours. =20 I'll recheck this in a couple of months, but my experience with = RTV/silicone on the past is that it's quite tough. If you're worried, = try the high temp version. =20 The results in terms of ride and handling are absolutely worth the = change. A much smoother ride and none of the funny jerks in turns, = particularly high-speed sweepers. One thing I do notice now is a mismatch between the front and the rear = end. It's not a problem, but it would be great to get the same smooth = springing and damping in the front now. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince[SMTP:RogerPrince@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 10:43 PM To: Paul Browne; PC800 Forum Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us I am comparing the Koni shocks to my OEM shocks from my 1990PC. Both = the top=20 eyes on the Koni's are too small. Both the bottom ones are too big for = the RH=20 side. The bottoms look like they might be ok for the LH bottom. One = out of=20 four! Of course less than 4 out of 4 sucks. I plan to call Competition = Accessories tomorrow morning and inform them of the situation. Looks = like=20 I'll be eating the round trip shipping charges. I'll leave dealing with = Koni=20 to C-A. When I called Koni all the guy knew was the data sheet. If = they are=20 able to use them in the Netherlands, where they were developed, we = obviously=20 have been delivered the incorrect models. The length looks about right. = Who=20 cares, eh? Works Performance for a few bucks more might still be the best route. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Saturday, April 20, 1996 7:19 AM To: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us The Koni shocks that just arrived and the stock shocks from my '94 PC = =3D are sitting on my workbench as I contemplate alternatives. =3D20 The mounting lug for the top of the shock on the PC's body is larger =3D than the hole in the Koni shock. The bottom hole in the Koni shock is = =3D much larger than the stock bolt that holds the bottom of the shock in = =3D place. I assume that this is affects PC's from '94 on and explains why the Koni = =3D lists the application as being up to '93. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly = =3D different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. =3D Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to = =3D fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 00:26:20 -0400 To: _spain@edsug.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Flashing your lights Harrison, were you talking to them on April 1st by any chance.....??? If you want to "wave", might I suggest the high beams... Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:18:57 -0500 (CDT) Mon, 22 Apr 1996 9:21:51 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: SuperTrapp <73221.14@CompuServe.COM> (by way of "Waldo E. Meeks" ) Subject: Re: Exhaust sounds For those in the group that would like to have more sound from the exhaust there may be hope on the horizon. I just received this e-mail back from SuperTrapp. I had supertrapps on a BMW once and they sounded great. Real throatie but not real loud. If enough of you want this and would repond to them it may speed the process up. Their e-mail is 73221.14@CompuServe.COM They also have a page on the net. Waldo Waldo, Thank you for considering the use of our products. Don`t give up on a PC800 pipe. we may be looking into one here shortly. I don`t have anything concrete but stay in touch. Thanks again, Rick Fabian ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 09:37:16 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 04/22/96 09:37 ## I just called Koni at 1-800-922-2616 (KY) and talked to Lee at x5035. He is placing a call to Holland to find out what's going on. According to his data, 7610P-1422 is the correct part# for the PC. If that is an individual shock part no. then it couldn't possibly work because the bottom eyes are different i.d.'s. Because of the time difference he may not get an answer until tomorrow. We went through the 91-93 model stuff again. Roger CEO document contents: Where did you buy the Koni's? My Honda bushings are pretty beat up, especially the bottom LH. I plan to call Competition Accessories in the morning. I'd prefer to get shocks that fit rather than fight later over whether my changing bushing voided the Koni warranty. Are you able to adjust the preload and/or damping? ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 5:38 PM To: Roger Prince Cc: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us, and maybe some good news!! Okay, here as solution to the obvious difference between the mounting = holes/lugs/bolts on US vs. European PC800's. I THINK this is going to = work. I've test ridden the solution and it seems to hold up. Press out the Honda bushings at the top of both shocks and the bottom of = ONE, same on the Konis. (A large vice and a couple of appropriate = sockets will do the job.) The bottom bolt on the left side fits the = Koni's hole. Press the Honda bushings into the Konis. They will fit = loosely. Fill the space carefully with RTV or silicone sealer and let = cure for 24 hours. =20 I'll recheck this in a couple of months, but my experience with = RTV/silicone on the past is that it's quite tough. If you're worried, = try the high temp version. =20 The results in terms of ride and handling are absolutely worth the = change. A much smoother ride and none of the funny jerks in turns, = particularly high-speed sweepers. One thing I do notice now is a mismatch between the front and the rear = end. It's not a problem, but it would be great to get the same smooth = springing and damping in the front now. ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince[SMTP:RogerPrince@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 1996 10:43 PM To: Paul Browne; PC800 Forum Subject: RE: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us I am comparing the Koni shocks to my OEM shocks from my 1990PC. Both = the top=20 eyes on the Koni's are too small. Both the bottom ones are too big for = the RH=20 side. The bottoms look like they might be ok for the LH bottom. One = out of=20 four! Of course less than 4 out of 4 sucks. I plan to call Competition = Accessories tomorrow morning and inform them of the situation. Looks = like=20 I'll be eating the round trip shipping charges. I'll leave dealing with = Koni=20 to C-A. When I called Koni all the guy knew was the data sheet. If = they are=20 able to use them in the Netherlands, where they were developed, we = obviously=20 have been delivered the incorrect models. The length looks about right. = Who=20 cares, eh? Works Performance for a few bucks more might still be the best route. Roger ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Paul Browne Sent: Saturday, April 20, 1996 7:19 AM To: 'PC800 Forum' Subject: Koni shock update -- bad news for some of us The Koni shocks that just arrived and the stock shocks from my '94 PC = =3D are sitting on my workbench as I contemplate alternatives. =3D20 The mounting lug for the top of the shock on the PC's body is larger =3D than the hole in the Koni shock. The bottom hole in the Koni shock is = =3D much larger than the stock bolt that holds the bottom of the shock in = =3D place. I assume that this is affects PC's from '94 on and explains why the Koni = =3D lists the application as being up to '93. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bushing holes appear to be slightly = =3D different and switching bushings doesn't seem to be an alternative. =3D Looks like some custom machine work with delrin or ? may be required to = =3D fabricate right-sized bushings. Anyone have an easier solution? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC800 Subject: Re: Mt Washington, NH (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard A. Hardy To: Mac Geek Subject: Re: Mt Washington, NH I've beeb up the Mt. Washington Auto Road many times, but the last time was about 12 years ago (first time was 40 years ago). Its a piece of cake and a nice ride *except* if there are high winds. About one-third of it is above the timberline. Stop at the AMC's Pinkham Notch Camp on route 16 about 4-5 miles south of the auto road. They will have the weather conditions on the mountain listed. Its a very twisty road as it takes 8 miles to climb 4,000 feet. Don't expect to do any aggressive riding on it, though, as it is only two lanes and there will be lots of cars in the summer. Its a toll road, but as I recall, 1/2 price for motorcycles. On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Mac Geek wrote: > I would like to try to get in a ride up the Mt Washington Auto Road for > sometime this summer. > > I would like to hear from anybody that ras taken thier bike up the mountain > already as well as anybody that would be interrested in a group ride some > time this summer. > > Thanks > John > Let those who ride decide. > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Apr 96 11:55:12 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: PC89 Pricing Question How badly damaged is the plastic? This could be very expensive, and may indicate other problems. $3000 for an 89 with 17k would be a great price, if it hadn't been dropped. As a reference, in November of 95 I payed $4200 at a Huntington Beach dealer for a mint-condition-not-a-scratch 89 with 4K miles, with no extras. A week before, a fully-decked (yes, including the stereo!) 89 with 500 miles (yes, that's 5 HUNDRED) went for $4000. It was on the floor for about 6 hours. I missed out on it by about twenty minutes (the new owner was taking it for a test ride when I pulled up). That dealer won't make that pricing mistake again! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Apr 96 11:55:02 EDT From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@CompuServe.COM> To: PC800 List Subject: Road Wear Hi, Chriss. You wrote: > I always wear a full face helmet, leather riding gloves, leather riding boots, a > protective "Motorcycle" jacket, and, of course, a full face helmet. I know it's a comfort-vs-safety thing, but don't you find it uncomfortable wearing TWO full face helmets? To answer your question, I too wear a full-face helmet (just one), though I usually keep the visor up as I wear glasses, leather gloves and racing jacket, riding boots and jeans. I know the jeans are the weak link, but the leather pants that came with the jacket are just too damned uncomfortable. I strictly wear this set-up, even in hot weather. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:10:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:27:16 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: road wear I prefer to wear nothing but a smile :>) -- _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Dave Gross http://www.halcyon.com/dkgross/Images/HOME.html http://www.halcyon.com/gsound/images/Glenn_Sound.html ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 13:15:02 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson) To: Bryce Ulrich , pc800@hpc.uh.edu, "'brian.kaplan@octel.com'"@snoopy.uscsu.sc.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC89 Pricing Question What kind/color reflective tape did you use to cover the scratches on the crash guard plastic covers? Feel free to e-mail direct to me so all don'y have to read your response (unless you think they want to know too!) Thanks Stevea@sc.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'\"'brian.kaplan@octel.com'\"@snoopy.uscsu.sc.edu'" <"'brian.kaplan@octel.com'"@snoopy.uscsu.sc.edu>, "'stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: PC89 Pricing Question Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:28:04 -0700 I used the silver colored tape. I thought it would have a negative contrast with the golden toned lowers on my '89 but in the end it seems to match the pearl white color. To further improve the look I used scissors to round out the end pieces to match the sculpted look of the PC. And you know the best part? If you tip over again you just need to pull the decals off and do it again. All fixed! Not that I ever tip over of course.... -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 10:37:50 PDT From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ride with Willem this Saturday Okay fellow Northern California bikers, This coming Saturday the 27th, Willem from Holland will be in the area with a rented Kawi Concours. I'm planning a little jaunt around the south bay for him and I'd like to invite all those members who are able to attend to come along for the ride. We'll be taking in some of my favorite coastal routes to hopefully intertwine Big Basin and Santa Cruz. Can't say we'll make it as far south as Monterey, but hey, anything is possible. So if you'd like to join us and to say hello to a fellow PC rider from The Netherlands, please e-mail me directly at Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu for a tentative itinerary. Take care and safe riding! Erin P.S. I'm thinking breakfast at Alice's Restaurant to start things off. Any complaints, suggestions? (I'm sure I'll have lots of *suggestions* from those not in the area. Keep it clean :^) ). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:12:13 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Bass Monster I bought a pair of these speakers a week ago. Not much to them, but the speakers have a larger diameter than I would have thought. Anyhow, I mounted them in my RF-200 without using the velcro or cutting the padding. I just placed them behind the cloth in the ear recesses. The sound really is excellent. But after a 150 mile trip to CO and back my right ear was mighty sore. So I pulled the fabric back (after taking out the chin/ear piece) and cut away about 1/4 of an inch of styrafoam. I know, not what the manufaturer wanted me to do. But I think the helmet still retained most all of its integrity. I velcroed the speakers in and recovered the ear part. I used double stick tape, and masking tape, just like the factory. It now works great. And at 20 bucks you can't go wrong. I will save the intercom hook up for when I get an Arai (does anyone have one of these helmets?). One question. I get some electrical engine noise. I am using a cheap walkman that I plan to upgrade. Any ideas? Chris P.S. Erin, have a great time. I am truly envious. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Road Wear From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 22 Apr 1996 16:54:12 -0500 Lines: 19 >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: K> I am curious to find out what we "PCers" wear when we ride. Full-face helmet Aerostich (2-piece) Gauntlets Long pants Combat boots I actually moved the bike from one end of a parking lot to another yesterday wearing only a helmet. (Well, normal clothes, too.) It felt really odd. I also recall the funny looks I received as I went to my MSF course with full gear. (I bought the gear before the bike.) I do need to find some summer gloves that can tuck inside the sleeves of my jacket. My arms usually start to sweat first. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Re: Road Wear Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:56:25 -0700 My "All-Season Seattle Riding Attire" (TM) >Full-face helmet Aerostich (2-piece) >Tourmaster Gore-tex gloves w/gauntlets (style varies with temp) Alpinestar Gore-tex boots I was wearing this gear when I was riding a Honda Elite 250. Rode it for 2 years before getting the PC. I too got the strange looks at the MSF class. I'd been scooting for years but needed to learn how to shift a motorcycle. I took the MSF just to learn how. I was the class model when we came to the section on proper riding attire. Sheesh! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > 22 Apr 1996 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:54:05 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Ride on the Angeles Crest To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I'll let Steve document our ride but suffice it to say, I had an outstanding time! I think this was our best ride yet! With Johan's SO hanging off the back of his PC taking pictures, I'm sure they will be scanned to our web page :-). Thanks for the great ride Steve! Harrison P.S. I can't bring the pine cones into the house (they are way too sappy!) :-) 22 Apr 1996 18:15:44 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:37 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Southern CA PC800 May Ride To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: _spain@edsug.com Wasting no time :-), the Southern CA PC800 group is planning a ride next month (May 18th) down south a bit toward Julian (for those who know the area). We will be leaving from the Carrows Restaurant (great food at low prices) just like the last ride. We will meet at 9:00AM for breakfast and 10:00AM for those who want to skip the early meal. You can get to the Carrows restaurant by getting off of the 405 at Magnolia. The restaurant is on the right side as you head south toward the beach. This ride will be a bit longer than usual so wear your bicycle shorts! ;-) Here is the route: We will take the 405 south to the 5 south. We get some great views of the ocean to our right as we motor along. This is all highway but usually free of heavy traffic. At Carlsbad, we get off the 5 and take the 78 east to Escondido (I understand we take the city streets until we get through town). I hear the 78 is a very nice route. While still on the 78, we head to Ramona and then on to Santa Ysabel (no typo) and Julian where we will eat lunch. Julian is famous for its small town atmosphere. It has some antique shops that would be great to run through. We will judge if we have time. There is also a great bed and breakfast in Julian but I have to limit us to a single day :-). There are *two* (count 'em) traffic signals in Julian (unless they added one recently) :-). We will park in front of the "Moose" restaurant. I hear *all* the food at the Moose is GOOD! After lunch, we will head back out the 78 (backtrack for about 7 miles) and then turn north on the 79. The 79 meanders up until it hits the 15 at Temecula. I undertand that this route offers the best views (I consulted a Temecula expert). We then take the 15 north to the 91 and back home. I have not times all this so I hope that I've not bitten off more than we can chew ;-). If so, we can take a faster route at almost any point. --- I understand it is a very nice trip although I have not made this particular trip (anyone want to go in front?). Pack munchies and be prepared for some warmer weather. I'm hoping for some of the California spectacular wild flowers :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:34:13 -0800 (AKDT) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Help with manuals Hello gang. I need some help. Am I going blind or crazy, or is there a *third* manual for the PC??? This weekend I took advantage of the fact that my PC was naked from the waist forward (boy, you guys have _dirty_ minds!) and proceeded to take care of service items (plugs, air cleaner, etc). I also flushed the cooling system. So I refer back to my trusty shop manual, and look up "Cooling System". Sure enough, there it was. But it talks about draining it from the water pump bolt, in preparation for water pump removal. Huh? flip, flip, Aha! on the first page of the chapter it says " For coolant replacement refer to part 5 of the Common Service Manual ?!?" So I flip back and forth through the book and find no such section. Ok, maybe it is in the *owners* manual. Flip , flip. Nope, just talks about checking the level, nothin' else. So, what the heck is the "Common Service Manual?" I muddled through by removing the lower radiator hose, YUCK! coolant all ver the place! but got it changed. Thanks for your sympathetic ear. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:27:37 -0500 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: Common Service Manual Yes there is a Common Service Manual. It covers things common to all Honda bikes (such as changing coolant). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jhyder@erols.com Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 20:58:30 +0600 To: "PC800 List" Subject: Maintenance day Content-Id: <17_68_1_830048310> Hi guys, Well, I just spent a warm sunny Maryland weekend (one of the nicest so far this year) buying stuff for and working on the PC. Almost as enjoyable as time spent riding, and in many ways more satisfying. Thanks to good advice from many of you, things went very well. Replacing the final drive oil, brake fluid, and coolant (all for the first time) was a snap, although after almost five years and 22,200 miles, it was long overdue. For the brake fluid, two short pieces of clear vinyl tubing slipped over the drain nipples, with the other ends in a drain bottle, enabled me to prevent air getting back into the system while watching the color of the fluid change as the old fluid was forced out. I planned to use this method for the clutch system, also, but the drain end of the clutch hose has a concentric fitting through which the drain bolt passes. There's no nipple, as on the brake cylinder. No simple way to prevent air from getting back into the system presented itself to me, so I decided to defer this job until I could get more input from this forum. *What's the deal with replacing the clutch fluid?* I bought and installed a new horn, which although advertised as "big rig sound" and 132 decibels, wasn't quite as loud as I expected. Still much better than the wimpy little stock horn. So Sunday I bought a second of the same kind (for a really respectable "ordinary" horn sound), a set of FIamm air horns (for those "special" cases). The installation of the air shorns went fine, athough I would have liked to see the photos that are mentioned in the list archives (the web site listed didn't respond.) I ended up using nylon cable ties to strap the horns and the compressor to frame beams behind the dash. I preferred this to trying to drill into the backs of the mirror mounting plates, and I just couldn't see an easy place to "hard" mount the compressor. I thought I might try to replace the standard horn switch with a rocker, one side the regular horn, and the other the air horn. But I found out that, as you may know, that switch is a sealed assembly with the turn signal. But there is plenty of room on the right handlebar, just above the start switch. A simple push button switch from Radio Shack and a little bit of careful plastic surgery (har-har) made this a nice enhancement. My thanks to Waldo Meeks who suggested large suction cups for mounting tank bags a few months ago (and thanks to the search engine, too!). I had wanted to use an old pre-PC Bag Man tank bag for some time, but its mounting harness required a real tank to strap around. There was no easy way to adapt this to the PC. I was considering using magnets, as suggested by a few other members recently, but wasn't thrilled with the idea after someone pointed out the havoc they can play with credit cards, cassettes, and other magnetic media. I was reluctantly considering buying a new bag when I read Waldo's idea. Now, a trip to K-Mart and $3.60 later, I'm happily ready to start using my old bag again. On the subject of suction cups, here's an idea for when you don't need to take your tank bag, but still need a map: get a heavy vinyl 8.5 x 11" sheet protector from the stationery store, punch holes in the corners (not too close to the edges), and attach it to the tank with little suction cups. Works great! BTW, Juan, the coolant drain bolt is shown in the section you were reading (page 6-2 in the '89 manual), on the left side near the side stand. It doesn't look much like a drain bolt, though. It seems that however you do it, changing the coolant is a mess. Even though I had a bottle ready to catch the stuff, once you loosen the bolt, the fluid starts spraying everywhere, and even after the bolt's all the way out, the flow hits frame parts, and is generally hard to capture unless you have a large tray under the engine. And regarding the Common Service Manual, check out the Introduction on the Contents Page: "Basic service procedures that are common to other Honda Motorcycles/Motor Scooters/ATVs are covered in the Common Service Manual." However, when I asked for it at my Honda dealer, they had never heard of it, and it's apparently not listed on the microfiche for PC800 parts. I haven't needed it too desperately, but if anyone knows of a source, I might shell out a couple of bucks for it. Well, a long post, but not too boring, I hope. And to reiterate my questions: Any ideas about replacing clutch fluid without getting air into the line? And from my last post: Replacing fork oil is not included in Honda's recommended maintenance schedule. How