********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 10:09:00 -0600 (CST) Fri, 1 Mar 1996 11:08:31 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" I thought the PC gang might enjoy reading this bit of" life philosophy" I ran across. I'm Going To Splash in More Mud Puddles I can't live my life over but I can live the rest of it to the fullest degree possible. I think I'll make more mistakes from now on. I'm going to relax and be less rigid - with myself and with others.I'm going to be less complex, less conniving, and much more open and far less serious about everything. I will be a little crazier. I'm going to climb more mountains and ride more horses and motorcycles. I'll eat more apple pie a la mode and less of the stuff that is "good for me." From this day forward my troubles will be real, not imaginary, and it will take a tremendous amount to make the issue significant enough to be considered a "trouble". I'm going to stop being a reactor to other people and their problems and just be an actor- coming from inside myself. You see, I have spent so much time conforming to rigid standards and so much energy fretting about insignificant or imaginary issues, I have failed to live and enjoy my world. I have always lived so sanely, have always concentrated on doing the sensible thing that there have been few really enjoyable moments. I have been complex and conniving, worrying about each step and each moment. I have plotted, had hidden agendas, and never been open with myself or others. I have demanded far too much from myself and others. I have been me but not the one I really want to be. I have always prepared against any eventuality: my car has had tire chains in the summer and I always have had a thermometer, needle and thread, and a raincoat with me. I can't live my life over but I can do things differently from this day forward. So, from now on I'm going to dance in the rain and run barefoot in the park more. I'm going to throw snowballs at the air. I'm going to lie on the lawn and watch the clouds go by. I'm going to sing in the shower more loudly. I'm going to eat more dinners out and have wine with every meal. I'M GOING TO SPLASH IN MORE MUD PUDDLES!! L.K. Spinger, Glendale Community College, Glendale,Arizona Enjoy, Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:03:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Winter Rides I picked up my new 95 PC800 on Wed. WOW!!! I just love it! It just got cold here, 5-20 degrees. But I can't help it. With Hien winter Gloves and my heavy Dakar jacket it was great. Going to the market is something else. So much fits in the trunk. It seems that verywhere I go people tell me how great the bike looks! I can't wait to get a Rifle 4+ screen. When I duck a little it is so quiet! I am leaving for CA for a week tomorrow (but I will be checking my e-mail). Which will be hard but it is probably a good thing. Break-in at 20 degrees might not be the best. I am still searching for the best audio set up. I think it will be a walkman and som Bass Monster helmet speakers. I really don't want to tear apart the dash just yet. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:07:50 -0500 Apparently-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu to ride in this kind of temps. Wyoming is not always this cold in the winter. Hopefully it will get warmer by the time I get back. Dodging the snow in the middle and side of the road is a little scary! Chris 95 PC800 Wyoming ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 18:21:35 -0700 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: Re: Winter Rides Greetings Chris, How I envy you and your new PC....It must be a great feeling.... When I got mine in 92....I didn't know how to ride it....and predictably I stalled it in the middle of one of San Francisco's busiest streets...Much to my chagrin...a lesbian on a Honda Shadow...pulled up besides me and talked me thru in strating it up again and getting off such a busy street...(nice people come in all shapes and colours) Now I am a much better rider...(having graduated from a safety class and ridden 9K+ miles.) I see you're coming out to California...are you riding your PC out here? Bob Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: _spain@edsug.com 01 Mar 1996 20:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 1996 20:36:50 -0800 Subject: Re: mew subscriber To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Hi, my name is Mark Grillo, I live in Pullman, WA. That's located in the >southeastern region of the state. Bought my PC800 on 5/95 with 12k mi. >for $3200. I installed the taller Honda windshield. Other than having to >replace the battery, I believe it was the original, have had no serious >problems. Used mainly for 1-2 day trips two-up and trunk loaded. Bike was >originally purchased in New Hampsire and driven here by owner. One >nagging problem I've been noticing is the engine stubbeling under load >going up hills. Going to try some jetting changes this spring. > > > Mark Grillo > grillo@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Welcome Mark! You didn't mention the year of your new PC :-). Harrison with BSMTP id 2096; Sat, 02 Mar 96 06:59:41 PST BSMTP id 5588; Sat, 02 Mar 96 06:59:41 PST ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 02 Mar 96 06:52:57 PST From: Mark Grillo Subject: model year To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Sorry for leaving the model year out when I subscribed on to the list. My scoot is an '89 whitey. Bought it locally at the Honda dealer. Mark Grillo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:07:38 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Kent Polk Where did he go? I have not seen any posts from Kent. Did he freeze his fingers around his grips? Just curious. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 20:40:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: About to purchase a PC800 Todd Zedak Chicago 32 6'2" 220lbs. about to buy '95 PC800 2000 miles repo'ed from dead beat mine for $4000 previous ride '76 KZ 750 What's the deal with this windshield noise and bad rear suspension??? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 03 Mar 96 06:01:40 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: Advised length of Rifle shield Hi all At the moment I have a Hondaline tall shield, the lower Corbin Saddle and I use a BMW System 3 helmet. I am 6 ft 3 and I am not happy with the noise and the wind I'm getting at my helmet. What size of the Rifle shield would be the best for me. Because of the fact the Rifle shield is not imported in Europe I would like to obtain one when I am in California as of April 23 for a couple of weeks. Greetings to you all Willem Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna =>1994: 1989 PC800 =>1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 03 Mar 96 06:01:32 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: Kent Polk Cc: PC800 owners , Robert Tuttle Subject: PC 800: Micron Superbrace Hi Kent, Robert and all others This is the text of a small leaflet the Dutch importer of Micron forkbraces sent me. Micron Superbrace Machined from aluminium alloy extruded billets with a tensile strenght of 19 tons, then polished to a bright finish, the Micron Superbrace enhances both your machine's handling characteristics and looks. Fitting of the Micron Superbrace takes a matter of minutes, and their performance prompted the following report by Chris Dell in an independent tets for Motorcycle News> "This is the best bolt-on extra I have ever tested. The handling of the bike was transformed. An excellent product" Micron's Superbrace range has now been further extended to include even more machine applications. As mentioned earlier the price is Dutch guilders 175,-. The current rate of the dollar is appr. 1.65, which means about US$ 110 excluding postal charges. In order to get the correct size of the brace you should obtain the measures of: 1. diameter of the forkleg in milimeters ( The thicker top ring of the fork leg) 2. distance heart to heart between the fork legs in milimeters. The easiest way to get this, is measuring the distance between the inner fork tubes and adding the diameter of one inner fork tubes. The only thing I wonder about is wether there is enough space because of the front fender. Maybe the fender needs a little adjustment. Refer to page 2-14 and 15 of the the Service Manual. How to get the superbrace: I had a long talk with the people who are importing the brace.They are specialised in parts for motorcycles. They are very friendly and service minded and quite happy to send these braces all over the world. If it doesn't fit or if you are not satisfied with the result you can return it. You can call them from to Tuesday to Saturday during working hours. Mind the time difference. Pacific Time + 9 hours, Eastern Time + 6 hours.In Europe Day Light Saving Time starts at March 31. The name and address of the company is: Siccama Sales Stoitsweg 7 9983 PJ Roodeschool The Netherlands Telephone: +31 595 413553 Fax: +31 595 413100 Upon ordering tell them you got their address from me. In case there are any questions please let me know. If anyone would like some assistance, please let me know. During office hours my telephone # is +31 20 527 2410, fax: +31 20 527 1928, at home: +31 23 563 1820. I will be in California (San Carlos, San Fancisco Bay Area) probably starting from April 23, 1996 for a couple of weeks. Greetings to you all Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==>1994: 1989 PC800 ==> 1995: 1995 PC800 with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 03 Mar 1996 16:01:28 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 16:00:50 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rifle Windshield Height Re: Rifle Windshield Height I have the +2" model on my '89, with the stock seat. I am 6'1" and am able to look over the top while sitting up straight, but find it easy to crouch just a little and look through the shield. I hope others reply, as this is a key decision. I suppose you could get the +4" model and cut it down if it's too tall, however. I'll be in the Netherlands from March 18-23 visiting relatives in the Northeast Polder town of Tollebeck, near Emmelord. I won't have the PC though, perhaps there's a place to rent one? Prof. Jan A. deRoos School of Hotel Administration Cornell University jad10@cornell.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 13:52:30 -0800 From: SCI To: sci@wolfenet.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: In Seattle wanting to trade RX7 for pc800 I am in Seattle, and have a Mazda RX7 and an Isuzu Amigo that I would like to work a trade for a PC800. If you know someone that this would interrest, would you please pass my name and number on? Thanks. Ron @ 206-997-7871 -- We invite you to visit our homepage at http://paul.spu.edu/~rsharp. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:59:53 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:59:53 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: pac NW tour hey all! Had a groovy little ride to the Washington coast. I took it with my girlfriend this past saturday...total ride was about 230 miles (including detours)... >From Seattle (or Portland)...head to Chehalis. (its halfway between seattle and portland on I-5) Go WEST on highway 6...COOOL little 2 lane road..lots of twisties for 60 miles till ya hit the beach....be careful if you go early, it had a few icy spots here and there in the upper elevations. Turn NORTH on 105. This is a GREAT little beach access road...two lane...had it all to myself, with the exception of a few Goldwing riders coming the other way. If ya stay heading north, you go past some lovely oceanfront, a small Indian Reservation, and some great views..(it aint 101, but it aint bad)....take it all the way north to the little town of WESTPORT and have lunch at the marina! from there, continue on 105 to Aberdeen....then pick up 12...it takes ya either to Olympia, or the spur goes back to Chelais area...It was a NICE saturday afternoon..no clouds, no rain, and NOONE on the road.!!! AND NOW I TAKE THE PLUNGE::::: During my little adventure, I decided to blow a fork seal..whee....brakes work better WITHOUT oil on them...so...I took advantage of this slight mishap, and turned my bike into TOM at Lake City Honda. I'm getting the Progressive spring job, the Jet Rebuild, replace the steering bearing, and an overal tune up...Full report including price breakdown) to come! Bryce, how's the jet thing working for you????? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:28:37 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Winter Rides Bob, It is way too cold to ride to CA. I am staying in Murphys with my family. Murphys is about 2.5 hours east from San Fran. Chris (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:54:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 16:51:32 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 , David Gross Subject: Re: pac NW tour phase 2 Since Dave abandoned me, I did a little spin myself -- Out east bound from Seattle, then south through the Maple valley area (hwy 18/169/167) down really close to Mt. Rainier (no fog, clear skies - big darn rock!) then west to Tacoma and back up the east side of the sound through Fife, Des Moines, Federal Way, SeaTac, and a whole bunch of other towns better off skipped except for the view. Today, OTOH, it's rainy & gloppy, & I gave Dave _my_ bike while he's getting his souped up. "a greater love hath no man, than he who loans his brother a motorcycle." Or something like that... -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:02:25 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 18:15:22 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pac NW tour phase 2 abandoned my butt.... and the whole ride home I was thinking about a way to get stevie some ML2''s for his bday..he needs em. :>) zooom ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@nmti.com (Tom McBride) Subject: PC800 Shop Manual To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:42:29 -0600 (CST) I've been a member of this group for several months without ever having posted, so this is my first. I have two bikes: an '82 Kawasaki KZ1100D, and a '90 PC800 which I picked up in October, 1994, with only 5200 miles on it, and in absolutely cherry condition. I live and ride in Houston, Texas, and ride both bikes year 'round almost everywhere I need to go (work and play). I have been impressed with the engineering that has gone into the PC: it does what it is supposed to do very well, willingly, and even eagerly. A real pleasure to ride. Another fellow in a riding club I belong to (Houston Rider Motorcycle Touring Club) has a black '95 that he is really taken with, and has remarked that the PC is one of the best-kept secrets around. My real reason for this post is to throw some kudos at Corey Estes. You may remember a couple of weeks ago that Corey posted about being able to get a couple of PC Shop Manuals for $25 + shipping. Well, I had already checked with my local dealer some time ago for a shop manual and they wanted $54, not including tax, for one. I thought this was a bit much for a manual, so I've been biding my time until I could get a hold of one at a more reasonable price. So when I read Corey's post, I jumped on it like a hungry hog on day- old slop! Anyway, for $25 + $3 express mail shipping, I received my manual from Corey last Friday for about half of what I would have paid my local dealer. Corey, of course, did this all without getting anything in return. I just wanted to let everyone know about his helpful spirit; I know that buying these manuals and then having them packaged up and express mailed took more than a little bit of time and effort, and I certainly appreciate it. I feel that people like this are what this list is all about. Thanks, Corey! Tom McBride ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'dkgross@halcyon.com'" Subject: RE: pac NW tour Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:34:20 -0800 ><> > Well,uh... um. I haven't really ridden it much. You see Microsoft stock went up, car sales went down in February, and I did the American thing and took advantage of it --- I bought a truck! Yesssirreee I am the proud papa of a bright red '96 4dr 4wd Chevy Blazer! I've been saving/planning/dreaming for awhile now and this past week was it. I do, however, intend to continue riding my PC once I can get that new-car-grin off my face. I should be back to two wheels later this week. Oh yea everyone, keep your eyes on the lookout for a dual purpose trailer that can hold either motorcycles or jetski's. Bought the Blazer for days at the lake and park-n-ride long distance tours. Just need to find some more accessories first. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'PC800 owners'" , "'Willem van Alderwerelt'" <101362.2633@compuserve.com> Subject: RE: Advised length of Rifle shield Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:48:44 -0800 You are probably in between wanting the +2 and the +4. If you sit tall and really want it quiet I'd go with +4. If later you decide it's too tall you can always trim it down. The design of the shield is such that it should be a simple operation to trim it down some. The box is fairly large but well padded with styrofoam peanuts and should survive a plan trip home. I suggest asking Rifle to ship it to your hotel/friends house in Cal. You'll need to order a couple of weeks ahead -- Rifle builds to order. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'Kent Polk'" , "'Willem van Alderwerelt'" <101362.2633@compuserve.com> Cc: "'PC800 owners'" , "'Robert Tuttle'" Subject: RE: PC 800: Micron Superbrace Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:04:18 -0800 Thanks for the information Willem! I've seen the "Superbrace" advertised in some of the cycling mags. Called the phone number they listed and got a shop in Florida. I explained the bike that I had and they said they didn't have a brace for it. I was bummed. I'm fairly certain the forks on the PC are fairly common. When I replaced the fork springs and seals I noted that aftermarket packaging listed a bunch of bikes that the seals would fit. The wording in the brochure seems to confirm this. I've looked over the front frender and there's almost no room to put a brace. There's about 1 inch above the fender to bold one on below the fork seals. I don't believe there's room underneat the fender as clearance is about 1/2 inch. I'm willing to cut some of the fender away but I'm sceptical at making it all fit and preserving the look.. =20 I'll give 'em a call late one night and see what they think. If it's anything more than a "no-way" answer I'll give it a try. =20 -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" Subject: RE: About to purchase a PC800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:20:07 -0800 <> It's not that it's horrible, just noticable. We all find the PC to be so great that we have to find something to complain about. \"/ The newer bikes, 94 on up, some with taller windshields I believe and in general deal with the wind much better than the stock shields from the '89-90 bikes. Short to mid-size riders seem to like the shorter shield. Others want the tall one. To each his own I guess. Regarding the rear: most of the discussions thus far complain about it only at higher speeds. If you adjust the rear shock according to weight you probably won't notice it till 75mph and your pushing the twisties.=20 Works Performance has the only known after-market shock but is non-adjustable. If you want to tour or ride two-up some of the time you may not want something you can't firm up when needed. Of course, this is IMHO. >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 >---------------------------------------------------------- =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC 800: Micron Superbrace (from Bryce Ulrich ) (at Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:04:18 -0800) To: bryceu@MICROSOFT.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, nurse@hooked.net, 101362.2633@compuserve.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:23:00 Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in on Mar 4 you wrote: > I've seen the "Superbrace" advertised in some of the cycling mags. [...]=20 > I've looked over the front frender and there's almost no room to put = a > brace. There's about 1 inch above the fender to bold one on below th= e [...] That's the problem... > I'll give 'em a call late one night and see what they think. If it's > anything more than a "no-way" answer I'll give it a try. =20 The Goldwing has a somewhat similar arrangment to the PC's forks and Superbrace does have a brace for the Goldwing. I've talked to them a couple of times now and they indicated that they could probably make PC brace in a manner similar to the GW brace (and that they have=20 indeed looked at a PC800 and realize what the problem is), but don't believe there is a market to warrant production. This is why I suggeste= d a long time ago that someone obtain a list of PC owners who would buy a fork brace if it was available and present it to Superbrace. This is the first hint in the three years since I first asked the question on rec.moto (and later on the PC800 maillist) that someone other than me is really interested in fitting a brace to their PC. It's been a couple of years since I last talked to Superbrace so I'm not sure what the climate would be now. The 800 number I have for them may not even be valid anymore. :^) but here it is: =20Superbrace =201-800-824-6566 I'll certainly buy one if they are willing to produce at a reasonable cost, but I'm not interested in 'funding' a product line... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Mar 96 20:51:02 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: hello Hello all fellow PC800 lovers! I just loggedinto the PC800 web today!.... I am Joe Beresford AKA: FIREMAN JOE dob 5-12-63... I reside in Cincinnati, Ohio, am a memeber of the HSTA, in fact had it not been for the HSTA I wouldn't be a PC800 owner!!!!! I picked up a used 90' PC red with radio! in spring of 94 with about 10k miles on it...I now have about 45k on it.. I rode it last yr to the artctic circle and back, 10,ooo miles in 32 days. I work for a major CABLE TV operator as a field tech. Have recently retired after 15 yrs as a Vol/Parttime Firefighter/EMT.....My prevouis bike is (still own but havent rode) a 83 cb750sc-nighthawk it has about 40.000 miles on it.... I have sent a file to Neilll if I was succesfull there should be a story laying around this web somewhere about my little trip....... Joe Beresford 73615,1475@compuserve 90 PC800/ 83 CB750SC-Nighgthwk HSTA/AMA/Red Knights Time-Warner Cable Comm. eof ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:26:55 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Advised length of Rifle shield At 06:01 AM 3/3/96 EST, you wrote: >Hi all > >At the moment I have a Hondaline tall shield, the lower Corbin Saddle and I use >a BMW System 3 helmet. I am 6 ft 3 and I am not happy with the noise and the >wind I'm getting at my helmet. What size of the Rifle shield would be the best >for me. Because of the fact the Rifle shield is not imported in Europe I would >like to obtain one when I am in California as of April 23 for a couple of weeks. Willem, I have the +2 and quite happy with it. When I ordered I told the Rifle rep. that I am 5' 7" and he replied that the +2 would work best for me. He was right. At 6' 3", maybe you should chose the +4 or even the +6 (with the +6 I would expect a noticeable increase in fuel consumption) and a strip of Saeng edging. It works well with the Rifle shield. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:49:26 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: hello At 08:51 PM 3/4/96 EST, you wrote: >Hello all fellow PC800 lovers! >I am Joe Beresford AKA: FIREMAN JOE dob 5-12-63... Howdy Joe, It is good to hear from you again. I did wonder why you were not a subscriber to this list. See you around the "Net, and at STAR '96. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:51:46 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: PC's demise? I just returned from the Cycle World Motorcycle show in Minneapolis. This is the same show making the rounds of several major cities across the U.S. While speaking with the Honda "factory" reps there one offered the opinion that this would likely be the last year for the PC (1996). His reasoning is that it sells only in very low numbers and isn't worth warehousing. It apparently isn't worth Honda's time to import it anymore. It would seem inevitable that the model would be dropped someday, but it does seem a shame if it really happens. As a side note, he said that the Interstate had been dropped, in order to free up enough engines for the Valkyrie. Interesting, if true. The crowds around the Yamaha Royal Star were more numerous than those looking at the Valkyrie, at least when I noticed a few times on Friday evening and again Sunday afternoon. The Harley's were amazingly ignored by the majority of "walkers" I noted. I would have thought otherwise. I did hear one Harley rep complaining that a custom show and swap meet was in nearby St. Paul, and it took the Harley riders away for the day (Sunday). While the show was smaller than the Chicago effort, there was still plenty to see and wish over. I spotted my next bike, a Nighthawk. It is the antithesis of the PC, simple, unadorned and utilitarian. It also looks much easier to work on than the PC. I don't relish the return to chain drive, but the O-ring chains now offered seem to have a fairly long life (20-25K miles) with proper maintenance. If winter finally abates, even for a little while, I'll fire up the PC and take another drive and probably change my mind as I discover the result of the Works Performance shock swap. Then again, maybe I'll actually make the change. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Mar 96 23:03:44 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List , Ron Maudlin <74726.2016@compuserve.com>, Brad Mobley <76241.1063@compuserve.com>, Mike Morris <76401.1325@compuserve.com>, "Samuel \"Todd\" Nunnally" <72064.2771@compuserve.com>, "Donald L. \"Moose\" Parish" <73523.3636@compuserve.com>, Elbert Silbaugh <71203.2774@compuserve.com>, Lynn Weas <75407.237@compuserve.com> Subject: American Honda Company says it best! Back in the sixties, American Honda Motor Company told the world that "you meet the nicest people on a Honda." I think that most of us will admit that you meet some of the nicest people on motorcycles. I know that some of my dearest friends are members of the Honda Sport Touring Association, and I count my life richer for having known them. Old Man Winter is still hanging on, particularly in certain parts of the country. All of us long for the open road, to strike out like pioneers in search of distant destinations beyond the horizon. We've cleaned and polished our trusty steeds until we're afraid of wearing through the paint. The tires are fully inflated...the oil and filter have been changed, the gas tank is full...state maps are spread out across our desks...we're just waiting for good weather like race horses waiting for the gate to swing open. I anticipate leaving for Daytona Beach and Bike Week in some thirty hours. And...like each of you when a trip has been planned...I can hardly wait! Places like the Angeles Crest Highway, the Blue Ridge Parkway, Deals Gap and countless other favorite stretches of road beckon us to enjoy their curves and switchbacks. But...wait just a minute! Let's temper our enthusiasm by thinking about the words of a recent ad by the good folks at American Honda... YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU TREAT A PUBLIC ROAD LIKE A RACETRACK "Only losers race on public roads. Not only are they putting themselves in jeopardy, but also the innocent folks on the road with them who have to deal with such irresponsible behavior. The only place you can win is on the racetrack. When the street's your racetrack, everyone loses." Across the bottom of our HSTA letterhead is the phrase..."Promoting Excellence and Safety in the Enjoyment of Motorcycle Sport Touring." I hope that each one of us will keep this thought in our minds as we begin to plan trips far and near on our motorcycles. President "Moose" Parish has SEVENTEEN events on his 1996 schedule...now that's enthusiasm for you! Most of us have some words that we'd do well to leave out of our vocabulary. However, "safety" ain't one of them! Please be real careful out there! We live in a beautiful country...we have so many roads and so little time...make that time count by seeing more than just the yellow line in the middle of the road! ******************************************* DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director HSTA Member #0001 HRCA Member #700266 AMA Life Member # 180901 71430.340@Compuserve.Com "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ****************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Mar 96 20:37:53 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: About to purchase a PC800 Hi, Todd. You wrote: >What's the deal with this windshield noise It's endemic to all PC's. Check out the mailing list archives on the Rifle fairing replacement. I have one and it works great! >and bad rear suspension??? Although the more envelope-pushing riders among us have complained about the PC's rear suspension, I don't think most of us have a problem with it. Maybe this is a specific defect of your bike? The archives have some material on replacement shocks, too. Could also be the tires ... the consensus is that the stock Dunlops are pretty bad, and I heartily agree. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Mar 96 20:37:45 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Advised length of Rifle shield Hi, Willem. You wrote: >What size of the Rifle shield would be the best for me. Tough question, given all the variables (not happy with Hondaline Tall, 6'3", Corbin seat). I have the +2" model and I am 5'10" and I can comfortably look over the top and still be below the wind turbulence. My guess would be that the +4" would be a safer bet because, as Jan said, you can always cut it down. If you are going to be in California for more than a week, you may consider delaying your decision. I am in the LA area, and can let you sit behind the +2" model to test it out before you order. Rifle is based in California and took less than a week to deliver my shield, so if you do this early in your visit, you could still get the shield before you depart. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:18:51 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Seen on the Net: Wants to buy PC800 02/18 Ad : Looking for Honda Pacific Coast PC800 Prefer dealer leftover Will pick up anywhere in the US or Canada Email : BL907@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU Phone : City : Buffalo State : NY Country : id IAA02048; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:01:02 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:01:02 -0500 To: wingS@onramp.armchair.mb.ca From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: FTP of pictures Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu, MOTOLIST@onpmomma.isc-br.com Limited motorcycle content .... I am running Windows 95 and Netscape version 1.xx. I have downloaded several different FTP programs, but am unsuccessful in using FTP to UPLOAD MOTORCYCLE PICTURES to netsites. I keep getting messages like "unknown host". If someone out there can help me get my FTP act together I would appreciate it. Please respond directly to ME and not the various lists. Thanks. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 52(for a couple more days) 1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 05 Mar 96 15:17:15 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: PC800 Shop Manual Tom McBride wrote: >My real reason for this post is to throw some kudos at Corey Estes. I too am a recipient of Cory's helpful nature and would like to add my kudos along with Tom's. My 89 manual arrived yesterday; when I bought my PC back in December, I enquired at the dealer about getting a shop manual and received the same reply as Tom - $54, and it was a shared 89-90 manual. Thanks to Cory, I have the original manual at a great price. And how many other people can say that they got their shop manuals from North Pole, Alaska? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:25:02 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles Hello, reading rec.motorcycles I came across these two snippets: Snip 1: > As an embarassed sport bike rider, I will testify that the PC can > make a good run for the money in the Texas twisties of Bandera. > I have seen that PC go through 335 much faster than I would get my > KAtana up to on the same stretch. Of course rider skill goes a long way... --- Snip 2: I have a PC and a Concours. PC is easier to corner quickly, handles bumpy turns better, is not as buzzy. Concours has vastly more power. --- I'd like to hear how you people think about this. Is the PC's handling better then some 'sports bikes'? After a riding a mere 10.000km on my PC I've the feeling the bike starts to 'fly' a bit when I've the wind up front. I.e. the bike starts to twist a bit, I can feel the bike first want to move left, then right, back to left etc. Is this normal behavior or should I get a new front tyre ;) Bas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:37:10 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Message response Howdy everyone, I must appologize for my tardiness in forwarding this message: > > (Juan: I thought I would post this message to save you some grief in > the long run...Jo) > > Juan wrote: > > >I'm sure this is the reason traffic on the list dropped quite a bit > >shortly after the change. I also say this for the people that sent > >their welcomes to Jo Ruby. I don't mind forwarding messages to her, > >in fact, I'llbe happy to do so in the future, but I just thought I'd > >let you folks know. > > Just to let you folks know that I can send and receive messages > directly. I'm also receiving the messages from the server; I just > can't post them to the list server. Juan has been very nice to offer > to forward messages to me, although it's not necessary for him to do > that. > > Jo Ruby > Juneau, Alaska > Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us > 1994 Honda PC800, 1983 750 Shadow > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Mar 96 15:11:28 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Cc: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> Subject: Advised length of Rifle shield Hi Steve Thanks for the info and your offer to test the shield. As far as travelling plans concerned we are planning, if weather permits to go up north from San Carlos, to Lake Almanor where my uncle has another house. If not our aim is to travel around in Yosemite, Lake Tahoe etc. But the first few days I will stay in the SF area as my wife has to continue her trip to Maui for a business meeting. I guess I will try to get some more information about distances to Atascadero, where Rifle is located. Erin, do you know any places to rent a decent bike (PC??) Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==>1994: 1989 PC800 ==> 1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 00:29:11 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles Hi Bas: In a message dated 96-03-06 13:57:12 EST, you write: > >I'd like to hear how you people think about this. Is the PC's handling >better then some 'sports bikes'? > >After a riding a mere 10.000km on my PC I've the feeling the bike starts to >'fly' a bit when I've the wind up front. I.e. the bike starts to twist a >bit, I can feel the bike first want to move left, then right, back to left >etc. Is this normal behavior or should I get a new front tyre ;) The PC handles well enough to give some sport-bike jockeys a run for their money when pure acceleration and top-end are not the limiting factors. I've had little trouble staying with (and in some cases running away from) most of the sport bikes I've encountered on roads that I know well. The determining factor seems to be rider experience and skill, although rider bravado/stupidity can have a profound short-term effect. Nonetheless, a good rider on a sport bike can eat my lunch in the twisties if they have a mind to. I know that; they know that; who cares? Of course, toward the end of a 400-mile plus day, they are neither so frisky nor so fast. Heh, heh, heh! There are those on this list, Kent is the first to come to mind, who ride aggressively enough to push the PC beyond its limits and, as a result, find its handling to be flawed in one or more respects. They have experimented with aftermarket suspension options (rear shocks, front springs, tire combinations, etc) and report some improvement over the stock setup. I'll leave it to them to comment further. I haven't heard of anyone doing any serious engine work to get more power out of the PC, but I suspect that the traditional 'hot rodding' solutions would achieve some improvement. Personally, I think the power is adequate for what the bike is intended to be--a great touring bike. The behavior you describe with respect to riding with a wind from the front may be the PC's tendency to automatically react to a crosswind by leaning into it. This behavior, which I believe is the result of the large front-fender valancing, is a bit disconcerting until you get used to it and begin to appreciate it, but it should be considered normal for a PC. Others have reported a "vagueness" in the steering that may or may not be another way of describing this same behavior. If it's a problem with the bike, it should show up whether there is a wind or not. Since you specifically related it to the orientation of the wind, I'm wondering if it acts OK when the wind isn't a factor. If not, then there may be a problem with the bike. Things that can cause a bike to "wander" include worn or damaged steering-head bearings (or something that produces extra friction or binding in the steering), bad wheel bearings, and bad swing-arm bushings. And, as you suggest, it could be the tires. Do the tires show any sign of uneven wear? If so, check the balance and run out on the wheels and the tires. What pressures do you normally run? That's about all I can think of for now. Good luck. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:29:18 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dunlop tires... On 3/4/96 Steve Schiboula said (in a response to Todd about a bad rear suspension): >Could also be the tires...the consensus is the stock Dunlops are pretty bad, and I heartily agree. I'll tiptoe into this one , but I ride my PC pretty agressively, and I didn't have a problem with the Dunlops. I'm 5'8", 160 lbs; keep the rear dialed up pretty high 'cause we also use the bike 2-up a lot. And I got 15K out of my first set of stock Dunlops. I was pleased enough with 'em that I replaced them with stockers again. Is it suspension problems that caused some riders to be less than thrilled with the Dunlops, or is it just the tires in general? Jest Wonderin', Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 03:29:16 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Reply:PC800's Demise? On 3/4/96 Ray Nielsen noted that he had talked to a Honda factory rep at the Cycle World show when it hit the Twin Cities. The rep opined that this might be the last year for the PC--at least in the US. I would hope that they would survey their dealers--or owners--or someone before they cut off US sales. I talked to the sales people down at Beaverton Honda (a local biggie) today on this info, and they were surprised. They feel that the bike is finally coming into its own--it was just a bit ahead of its time in 1989 and--as we already knew--was too high priced when it first came to the US. Now, as one guy put it "The PC is a great bike, and riders are finally realizing that. In fact, it now has a cult following. Our new bikes are moving well, and the used bikes don't stay around as long as they used to." Gee...really? They were happy to hear that so many of us have banded together electronically. I also talked to them about some of the ridiculous prices that I was seeing for used PCs. One salesman says that Honda dealers are actually unintentionally creating that. The bike is selling well (and at much higher prices since 1994. Thanks, yen/dollar imbalance). The dealers don't stock many new ones. Since there haven't been any marked changes in the model over the years, people who can't find new ones are willing to buy used. Ergo--higher used PC prices. Saw a '94 in the StarReview being sold by a 62-year-old who only put 385 CAREFUL miles ("Never a bug, never rained on-never gone over 50 mph"). $6800. That's $900 more than I paid for my '94 new!!!!! Oh, yeah, he also advertises it as "better than mint condition". someone PLEASE tell me what better than mint condition is! Hoping Honda Wakes Up, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com 7 Mar 96 14:11:00 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:10:48 GMT+1 Subject: introducing myself Priority: normal Hi everybody, I just subscribed and here is who I am: I'm Rutger Mullemeister, living in Rotterdam, The Netherlands (Europe) and I have a 1989 PC800 (used). I try to do most of the maintenance myself but I'm having troubles finding the right technical documentation in Europe and hope that someone can give me a tip where to find it. This summer we want to go on camping-holidays so I'm looking for a nice top-case. Does anyone have experience with mounting a top-case ? Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:22:50 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Brake pads? Would there be any big improvement in installing EBC Green pads on the front of the PC? They also make a Blue pad that is Kevlar based. how about that set? Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 09:24:04 -0800 From: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Subject: New York License To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: normal Does anyone who took the New York Motorcycle written test remember any question that might have stomped them? I am about to take the test for my Honda Scooter and want to ace the test if possible. Do they ask non related motorcycle questions not in the manual? ie: speed limits -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Dentman711@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Brake pads? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 11:09:55 -0800 I have the EBC Black front/rear and noticed and immense improvement in braking power. I'm curious as well on the Breen/Blue sets though I won't need a set anytime soon. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Dentman711@aol.com[SMTP:Dentman711@aol.com] >Sent: 7. mars 1996 06:22 >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Brake pads? > >Would there be any big improvement in installing EBC Green pads on the=20 >front of the PC? >They also make a Blue pad that is Kevlar based. how about that set? > > > >Sincerely=20 >Rick Fisher >Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! >http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ >Or my Sons page >http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html > >Dentman711@AOL.COM >Dentman@eWORLD.COM >******************************************************************** > 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" >;-) =20 > Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat=20 >HSTA # 6578 >$$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >******************************************************************** > > > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:25:56 -0500 To: Barbara_Brick@smtp.packer.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New York License On Thu, Mar 7, 1996 9:24:04 AM, Barbara Brick wrote: >Does anyone who took the New York Motorcycle written test remember any >question that might have stomped them? I am about to take the test for my >Honda Scooter and want to ace the test if possible. Do they ask non related >motorcycle questions not in the manual? ie: speed limits My recollection from ~12 years ago is that the test was pretty straightforward and based on the manual. I think you need to know exactly how far you need to leaving between cars at a given speed, and also the laws on lane splitting and right-of-way at intersections. Probably also the default speed limit in urban areas (35?). Good luck, - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:57:43 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Dr. Ronald E. Pacholec) Subject: One Real Slick PC800 Like I've written before, riding a PC in Hawaii is real tough! Since we have near constant Trade Winds blowing, a lot of fine red dust and sea spray are kicked up and coat everything. The frequent cloud sprinkles turn this into a grimy coating on the PC. About a month ago someone suggested that putting lemon Pledge on the windshield works better than rainguard (which can't be used on polycarbonate). It also makes the fine scratches seem to disappear. Thanks - though I'm sorry I can't remember whom the thanks goes to. Well, like we say here about anything *ono*, if a little is good, more is more betta'. Soooooo, thought I , why not Pledge the entire bike? I first washed it with soap and water, then applied the Honda spray cleaner/polish, then applied lemon Pledge to all the plastic surfaces. The bike looked REALLY GREAT. I have a white 89 and it really sparkled after this treatment. Even better, the lemon Pledge produced a protective super teflon-like finish that nothing sticks to. After a week of riding I can wipe the entire bike clean with just a dry paper towel. All the sea and dirt grime come right off. This made me wonder though, if I continue to polish with lemon Pledge will I slowly turn my beloved PC into a lemon? : - ( I think not, but if so, I'll have the slickest looking lemon in these parts. Again thanks to someone for the suggestion. Aloha, Ron P.S. To follow onto JT's comments about PC stability in winds (Re: PC800: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles ) I find the PC to be very stable. We get some pretty high cross winds and gusts here, particularly around the eastern end of the island where I live. The bike seems to respond automatically and appropriately to the sudden wind shifts much more quickly that I can. It feels like the top of the bike leans into the wind while the lower part and tires move with the wind. This produces a leaning angle that feels extremely stable. In rapidly changing gusts, the top of the PC feels like it sways a lot, but this seems to be compensating motion designed to maintain stable riding. My '83 750 Sabre did this too, but not to the extent that the PC does, probably because of all the ferring on the PC. I feel more secure on the PC in gusty conditions. Also, putting a Metzler ML 2 on the rear was a big help. Aloha! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:32:24 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: Reply to: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 Roger_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com wrote: > Do you have a Dunlop K555 on the back? The K555s cause the PC to > weave slightly. Yep, back and front are Dunlop K555, so I need other tires. The bike needs some maintenance, so they can change the tires also then. I've heard Metzler or Yokohama tires are good choices, but what are good tires in your opinion? Bas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 11:46:59 PST From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Answers to Willem's question Hi Willem, Funny you should ask about renting motorcycles. The company that my boyfriend works for just did some research on this for some German clients that were going to be in the area and wanted to rent motorcycles. There is place called Cruise America which is located at the Oakland Airport and they rent Hondas. I don't know about PC's, but they might rent Gold Wings or something similar. They have a toll free number to call and ask, 1-800-327-7799. There is also someplace in Half Moon Bay that he's trying to locate the information on. Gee, a ride to the coast to pick up a motorcycle. I could think of worse ways to spend a day ;^) . When will you be in the area again? If you're interested I could probably get a group together to go for a ride. All I have to do is say "ride" and half-a-dozen or so various motorcycles will appear at my doorstep. If you'd rather do the solo thing with your wife, I'd be more than happy to point out some really pretty areas if you're not familiar with this part of California. Have a safe trip Willem! Erin Dolin Mountain View, CA Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 22:40:17 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" , JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Subject: Re: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > >I'd like to hear how you people think about this. Is the PC's handling > >better then some 'sports bikes'? > > > >After a riding a mere 10.000km on my PC I've the feeling the bike starts to > >'fly' a bit when I've the wind up front. I.e. the bike starts to twist a > >bit, I can feel the bike first want to move left, then right, back to left > >etc. Is this normal behavior or should I get a new front tire ;) > > The PC handles well enough to give some sport-bike jockeys a run for their > money when pure acceleration and top-end are not the limiting factors. I've > had little trouble staying with (and in some cases running away from) most of > the sport bikes I've encountered on roads that I know well. The determining > factor seems to be rider experience and skill, although rider > bravado/stupidity can have a profound short-term effect. Nonetheless, a good > rider on a sport bike can eat my lunch in the twisties if they have a mind > to. I know that; they know that; who cares? Of course, toward the end of > a 400-mile plus day, they are neither so frisky nor so fast. Heh, heh, heh! I fully agree. The PC isn't a sports bike. I've my license just about 10 months, so I'm not that experienced, but it's my only means of transport, besides a bicycle (I'm dutch, so have at least 1 bicycle) > There are those on this list, Kent is the first to come to mind, who ride > aggressively enough to push the PC beyond its limits and, as a result, find > its handling to be flawed in one or more respects. They have experimented > with aftermarket suspension options (rear shocks, front springs, tire > combinations, etc) and report some improvement over the stock setup. I'll > leave it to them to comment further. Hmm, I want to keep the bike as much in the original state as possible. I don't see why I should rebuild an almost perfect bike ;) > I haven't heard of anyone doing any serious engine work to get more power out > of the PC, but I suspect that the traditional 'hot rodding' solutions would > achieve some improvement. Personally, I think the power is adequate for what > the bike is intended to be--a great touring bike. [snip] > If it's a problem with the bike, it should show up whether there is a wind or > not. Since you specifically related it to the orientation of the wind, I'm > wondering if it acts OK when the wind isn't a factor. If not, then there may > be a problem with the bike. > > Things that can cause a bike to "wander" include worn or damaged > steering-head bearings (or something that produces extra friction or binding > in the steering), bad wheel bearings, and bad swing-arm bushings. And, as > you suggest, it could be the tires. Do the tires show any sign of uneven > wear? If so, check the balance and run out on the wheels and the tires. > What pressures do you normally run? > > That's about all I can think of for now. Good luck. Front at 3 bar and rear around 2.7 bar. If I drop the pressure, it gets worse, if the pressures are higher, it doesn't improve the handling much, so I concluded these are the best for the Dunlop K555 tires I have at the moment. I have the problem only when the wind is coming from the front, and when pushing the bike hard (ie in excess of 100m/h) It think it has to do with the way the airflow goes in the fairing, but doesn't have a free exit as with 'normal' fairings like sports-bikes have. I think this lifts the bike a bit and gives it this vagueness Ok, thanks for the comments! Bas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:07:32 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Answers to Willem's question At 11:46 AM 3/7/96 PST, you wrote: >...There is place called Cruise America which is located >at the Oakland Airport and they rent Hondas. I don't know about >PC's, but they might rent Gold Wings or something similar. They >have a toll free number to call and ask, 1-800-327-7799. They rent Goldwings, Magnas, Nighthawks and Shadow ACE's >There is also someplace in Half Moon Bay that he's trying to locate >the information on. Gee, a ride to the coast to pick up a >motorcycle. I could think of worse ways to spend a day ;^) . Name of the place is California Motorcycle Rentals. They have BMW K75 standards with plexi-fairings and BMW saddlebags. Talk to Dave Kallman (don't have a number, sorry). You can find his add in almost every edition of American Motorcyclist. Hope this helps. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 13:10:05 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Reply to: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles At 11:32 PM 3/6/96 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996 Roger_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com wrote: > >> Do you have a Dunlop K555 on the back? The K555s cause the PC to >> weave slightly. >Yep, back and front are Dunlop K555, so I need other tires. The bike >needs some maintenance, so they can change the tires also then. I've >heard Metzler or Yokohama tires are good choices, but what are good tires >in your opinion? Yokohamas? Do they now make them in PC sizes? Most people that go with Metzlers go for the ML2's if you get the /80 profile tires, or ME88's if you chose the /90 profile. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:16:46 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Motorcycle Rentals in CA Info from the Iron Butt Association's website (http://world.std.com/~ironbutt/ ). ************************** California, California Motorcycle Rentals California Motorcycle Rentals provides BMW K75 Standards and BMW R850R (Standards also) in three locations; San Diego, California, Moss Beach, California (approximately 60 miles south of San Francisco) and Long Island, New York. While most Iron Butt listings are provided untested, several Iron Butt Association members have used CMR in San Diego and Moss Beach and they come highly-recommended. Contact: 3304 Buena Vista Street, San Diego, California 92109 or call: San Diego (619) 581-6879 San Francisco (Moss Beach) (415) 728-3511 Long Island, New York (516) 427-4045 Their web page is located at: California Motorcycle Rentals (http://www.gateads.com/cmr/cmr.htm ) **************************************** Hope this is useful. Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 14:24:47 PST From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Answers to Willem's question(2) Hey folks, The number to California Motorcycle Rentals in Moss Beach, CA (1 mile or so from Half Moon Bay) is: (415)-728-3511. Cheers, Ramin Keyvan (Erin's boyfriend) ramin@tss.com > > At 11:46 AM 3/7/96 PST, you wrote: > >...There is place called Cruise America which is located > >at the Oakland Airport and they rent Hondas. I don't know about > >PC's, but they might rent Gold Wings or something similar. They > >have a toll free number to call and ask, 1-800-327-7799. > > They rent Goldwings, Magnas, Nighthawks and Shadow ACE's > > >There is also someplace in Half Moon Bay that he's trying to locate > >the information on. Gee, a ride to the coast to pick up a > >motorcycle. I could think of worse ways to spend a day ;^) . > > Name of the place is California Motorcycle Rentals. They have BMW K75 > standards with plexi-fairings and BMW saddlebags. Talk to Dave Kallman > (don't have a number, sorry). You can find his add in almost every edition > of American Motorcyclist. Hope this helps. > > Juan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Answers to Willem's question Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 14:40:48 -0800 Not that this is an answer, just a story. Corbin Triumph used to rent bikes near Monteray, CA but they had to cancel the program due to their insurance carrier. Something about being a new shop was considered too risky. I rented a Trophy 900 in early January. They said I was the last. Too bad because I had an unbelievable time riding that bike. Wow!=20 -bryceu > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 07 Mar 96 20:38:39 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Advised length of Rifle shield Hi Willem. You wrote: >Thanks for the info and your offer to test the shield. As far as travelling plans ... we are planning ...to go >up north from San Carlos ... Sorry we won't get a chance to meet. Although I *love* the Bay Area, I guess my Hollywood-fed bias toward Southern California showed through. When you said you were coming to California, I just ASSUMED you where coming to the LA area. >I guess I will try to get some more information about distances to Atascadero, where Rifle is located. FYI, Atascadero is about 280 km south of San Carlos - right on the same Freeway - 101. If you have a map, find San Luis Obispo which is on the coast about halfway between LA and San Francisco - Atascadero is 20 km north of there along 101. Speed limits on 101 are about 105 kmh, and you can easily do 110 without any fear of police reprisal, so a day-trip out and back is not unreasonable ... but of course you may kick yourself for not taking the much slower but legendary Pacific Coast Highway between Monterey and SLO - it's *WELL* worth it - it's certainly the best stretch of road I've ever ridden on, and, besides, it's named after our bikes! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Mar 96 04:27:45 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: new member Rutger Hi Rutger, Welcome to the list You wrote: > I try to do most of the maintenance myself but I'm having troubles finding the right technical >documentation in Europe and hope that someone can give me a tip where >to find it. This summer we want to go on camping-holidays so I'm looking for a >nice top-case. Does anyone have experience with mounting a top-case ? I have the service manual for the 89-90 PC for you for DFl 50,- as I am riding the 1995 model nowadays. I will get me a new one when I'm in the States next April. Send me an E-mail with your address if you are interested or give me a call at 023 5631820 or 020 527 2410 (office). Do you kow about the Pacific Coast Nederland Club. There will be a ride on March 23, 1996 starting from Hoogerheide. The top case has been discussed some time last year. I think the make was Givi. You can find the articles in the archives (ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/pc800/list-archive). There are interesting write-ups on Priority Light, shocks, tires, wind shields, throttle locks etc. Cheers Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==>1994: 1989 PC800 ==>1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Mar 96 04:27:42 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: PC 800: Bike rentals in Bay Area, CA Hi folks , thanks to you all for the information on bike rentals. One of the coming days I will call to get info about pricing etc. Erin, I would really like to go for a ride with you and others. I think it is great fun to meet people from other countries especially when they have the same hobbies (grin). I guess during the week it will be difficult for you but maybe we can arrange something for Saturday, April 27. As I am not sure yet about the rest of our program during our stay. We plan to leave for Holland around May 11-14. I know there are some beautiful places in the area apart from San Carlos , I have been there 4 or 5 times now. My niece is living close to La Honda. BTW If you are interested the big Dutch chain of Motorshops Safe Motors now has a web page: http://www.safe.nl Thanks again Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==>1994: 1989 PC800 ==>1995: 1995 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 23:32:48 -1000 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: P.C. Highway or 101 (ugh! ) If you have a map, find San Luis Obispo which is on the coast about >halfway between LA and San Francisco - Atascadero is 20 km north of there along >101. Speed limits on 101 are about 105 kmh, and you can easily do 110 without >any fear of police reprisal, Steve, I used to live in the S.F. Bay area and my experience was a little different. This was a few years ago (3-4 yrs), so things might be different now. From San Francisco to Salinas you can't speed much - it's pretty well controlled and highly traveled, but south after that you can, except around King City. I have a brother who lived for a time in San Luis Obispo and on every trip he or I made ( almost weekly) there were always police picking people up in speed traps around King City. They often got real sneeky and used airplanes to patrol. >but of course you may kick yourself for not taking the much slower but >legendary >Pacific Coast Highway between Monterey and SLO - it's *WELL* worth it - it's >certainly the best stretch of road I've ever ridden on, and, besides, it's >named >after our bikes! This is certainly true especially on a clear day, and there are many such days mostly in the spring and fall. When the offshore fog comes in, usually in the summer months, it can be mighty cold riding against a strong onshore wind - so prepare to bundle up. Though even in the fog it's a great and beautiful (albeit cold ) experience. Given the choice, I have found riding north bound to be easier than south bound due to the onshore wind and glare off the ocean. I think a visitor would be missing a great treat if he took 101 instead of the P.C. Highway, unless the weather were too uncooperative. Aloha, Ron Pacholec ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 08 Mar 96 12:59:14 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: P.C. Highway or 101 (ugh! ) Hi, Ron. You wrote: >I used to live in the S.F. Bay area and my experience was a little >different... 110 kmh is only about 70 mph. Though I haven't travelled that stretch of 101 since before the new year, I assume they've raised the speed limit to 65 mph, so 5 mph over should be pretty safe. Heck, a COP told me that you'll never get a ticket doing 70 mph on a 65 mph road. Thanks for the extra weather info on PCH in the Monterey-SLO area; I've (unluckily) only ridden it 3 times, and lucked out on the weather all three times, so I never experienced what you related. I'll keep it in mind, though, as you said, short of REALLY bad weather, a bad-weather day on US-1 is still better than a good-weather day on almost any other road. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:59:54 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My purchase!!!!:) Well group, I did it. Bought a neatly new PC800 for 4K. I'll get it Monday night, just in time for the warmest day in March, Tuesday. Thansk for all of your help. I probably wouldn't have bought the bike without it. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:01:54 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Timmacy@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello ========== Speaking of filling up my mailbox...jeez...I had almost 50 messages......in 2 days....ouch is there an easier way to reciee the PC800 thread...instead of all the individual msg's? But it does make it easier to reply to ... In ref to the trip if I was succesfull I have attached a file 10ktrip.doc about more thought on the trip I took to ALASKA, up the Alcan, then down the coast then back across TransCan1...... In ffact preparations are in place for a trip to NS, NB, Princ Ed sound... I hopefully uploaded it to Neill and it might get posted or would everyone like me to just import it into a general TO ALL message? Joe Beresford AKA: FIREMAN JOE Honda Sport Touring Association http://members.aol.com/hstawww ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:02:24 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "\"E.Y. MurphEY\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello RE: My employer I work For TIME WARNER CABLE Communications CINCINNATI DIVISIN...... For the past 9 years I have beeen a Demand Maintanence Tech now we are called CST's Customer Service Tech... .another name for: -Box Jockeys -The Cable GUY! -CABLE DUDE! -Those idiots...etc.... -repairman, lineman, installer, cable cop, tek.... Yesterday I culdnt spel teckniaicn....Today I r one!!!!! FIREMAN JOE@TWCable_Cinti ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:01:58 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Timmacy@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 March, 1996 :-) The following is an article I typed up for the Ohio Rider newsletter that I try to put out, for the Ohio members of the Honda Sport Touring Association. I want to share with anyone who can read that small I imported/exported and am still fumbling my way around a computer. For those of you unfamiliar with the HSTA its a bunch of folks around 1800 or so, who like to ride, tell stories, ride some more, eat, and well you get the picture! For those of you unfamiliar I should tell a little about my self... My nickname is Fireman Joe, I joined the HSTA about 3 yr. ago. I have been riding since I was 15, I am now in my (gulp) 30's, (ouch that was hard to say!). I bought a 90' PC800 in early '94 it had about 10,k miles on it. That year I rode out west and put a quick 6000 miles in 2 weeks on it and did lots of little side jaunts during the year. Last year in 95 I took one big trip as you can read below and put on 10,000 miles in 32 days. Going from my home in Cincinnati, Ohio to the HSTA'S STAR in Avon, Colo. in late June '95. From there I went to North to ride the Alaskan Highway and get to the North Pole! Well, at least some place called North Pole, Alaska where a couple friends wit a couple of PC800's live. While there I got this crazy idea I had to go further north to the ARCTIC CIRCLE, a long gravel road that eventually takes you to Prudhoe Bay. One of the main reasons I bought a PC800 was because after all I read/heard/talk about it, I knew it was a bike that could take that kinda punishment, not to mention I don't like to do things like change oil, plugs, or stuff like that....(grin) Without having joined my friends in the HSTA I would have never enjoyed the past 3 years as much as I have, the PC is sitting here ready to go with 45,000 miles on it, and still runs like new. I have been able to go places, see things that I wouldn't have had it not been for such a fine organization as the HSTA. I feel I have rode more in the past 4 years than I have in the previous 8. SO read on. I hope you can, I tried to adjust it in Microsoft word, it was originally created in Microsoft Publisher. I still have a few things to learn on these darn computer thingys..... God Bless and ride safe! HOW I SPENT MY SUMMER VACATION... .OR THE 10,000 MILE RIDE... by, JOE BERESFORD How does one make a 10,000 mile ride, and not talking Iron Butt in 10 days either. But lots of planning. You start out in late 94 meeting with good friends, especially one who is good at planning things and crunching numbers like Ron and Beth Maudlin . You have to make reservations for things like ferry boats a long time in advance. Then you have wild dreams during the cold winter of fun times on 2 wheels... Save and start putting in vacation requests. Then get the bike worked on as soon as spring bounces in. Well then comes time to take off. You pack things into your dad's motor-home nothing like having a good support vehicle with you. You try to figure out what to pack where realizing your going to be gone for almost 5 weeks. Take the dog to a kennel, stop the mail. Strap things onto the bike, using the handy checklist from the blue book. Go to Indy, meet a couple others going to STAR. Then head out to meet about 400 fellow enthusiast at some place in Colorado where there is still snow, and it's only the middle of June. You enjoy some great roads and comraderies for a few days. Park next to a 10 foot snow drift take a few pictures at Independence Pass. Test ride some bikes, have some more work done on the bike, buy some new tires, a must if your going to Alaska. Party, eat, ride.... Then Pack up again say byes and head north, ride 500 miles then campout get up and do it again for 7 or 8 days, travel thru the Grand Tetons, stop put on your electric cause it started to snow,. Travel thru this huge forest area where there is a big water thing spitting up from the ground...Some Geyser in Yellowstone. Here comes some fun...go thru customs in Canada, first one of 8 customs check we would encounter. Where we get strip searched. Moose and I enjoyed putting everything back on our steeds. Travel thru Calgary, Edmonton, then get to Dawson Creek Mile 0 on the 26 of June. Start up the famous Alaska Highway, now some real fun, be careful to watch your gas level, look out for moose, bear, and other wild animals... Spend a night at Galloping girde bridge, Get to Whitehorse, chalk up a battery for the PC. I guess to much bouncing on the rocky road. June 30 Finally cross into the state of ALASKA!!! Stop pictures with dad and me, Stop in TOK, where they record the coldest temps during winter, and have some great Salmon. The road starts to get real fun, rocks the size of coffee cups, make for a challenge even the PC found tough. Follow Moose up a muddy road in the morning to try to get to some place called Chicken, the Trans Alp and my PC looked like some thing from a mud bogg enduro race, my front wheel was so packed it stopped rolling. So chicken was I. Head for Valdez, which usually records the record snowfall depths. More beautiful roads, oh wow- a glacier, chills go up spine, glad its only 50's out. Spend the night, find out the true nature of mosquito's. they're huge!!! and lots of em. Pack the bikes on a ferry for a ride, out across the water, get a close look at a glacier, and the sight of some big crash. Off load the bikes at a town with no roads out except for a train, so tye-em down on the flat car. 20 miles thru a mountain, then ride into Anchorage, Were we took a couple of days off. July 4 ride up to the famous Denali park ride a wildlife bus tour look for some huge Mountain thru the clouds, I think it was called McKinley.... Get into Fairbanks campout for another night, take a run for the Arctic Circle. 450 miles of gravel up and back, but what a view, worthy of running out of gas, sleeping under the pipeline, take a dip in the Yukon river, that's cold... reading a book outside at 1:30 in the morning cause there's no darkness. Get back real late, but just in time to have some food at Cory's. Then we all ride south out of Fairbanks together see more great country, stop eat some more. Then about July 8 board another ferry vessel for a ride down the coast for the next 2 days.The boat makes pit stops at several small towns along the coast, most of which have less than 20 miles of roads in them, with no other way in/out. yes I checked this out too, bribed the guys on the boat to let me slip my bike off/on at each port to have a quicker way to sightsee. For having had the bike on a boat for a couple of days it logged about 100 miles just running around the ship. There are some really quaint little villages on the Alaska coastline. We arrived at Prince Ruppert in a cold foggy day, in the midst of a harbor dispute between fishermen that proved intriguing. Then started a Easterly trek across Canada along the Icefields Parkway thru the Canadian rockies, & Baniff NatAl Park, which I found more beautiful than I can explain. It has to be experienced, if your planning a honeymoon this be the place! Look there's some black bears, Joannie gets her camera, and a real close-up! Moose chases some sheep. I chase (VIACB-Radio) the motor home down to get the spare gas can. Somehow we missed reading the fine print Ron had on our fancy itinerary sheets about this area! Just when we thought we have been riding alot we meet this guy Peter form Switzerland, who is finishing a year going around the USA/Canada on a Yamaha 750, he has traveled Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Singapore, you name it he did it! I think I seen this guy on Discovery channel.... talk about saddle sore. We come back thru Calgary just in the middle of the STAMPEDE week, ye hah! Then continue the trek across Canada see the worlds tallest T-Pee in Medicine Hat, Saskatchewan. Stop in Regina, for a well overdue oil-change for the PC, find a piece of metal in the oil we still can't figure where it came from. 6 days later of Canada we get into Minneapolis get gas, hear some sirens, listen to the radio and find out there's a tornado right were we are, get back on back, ride hard... Pass thru Chicago on what had to be the hottest day ever, strip off leathers, strip off T-shirt/underwear, put leathers back on, continue riding... Cut back thru Indiana, arrive home where the odometer clicks over 10,000 miles for this trip, 10 states, 5 provinces later. The PC now seems broken in at over 40,000 miles. Yet I think I want a ST...hummmmmm anyone wanna buy a nice PC800, driven only on Sundays..... As always ride safe... and God Bless!!!! oh yea I have pictures to prove this too!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- EOF ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:02:28 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "\"E.Y. MurphEY\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 March, 1996 :-) The following is an article I typed up for the Ohio Rider newsletter that I try to put out, for the Ohio members of the Honda Sport Touring Association. I want to share with anyone who can read that small I imported/exported and am still fumbling my way around a computer. For those of you unfamiliar with the HSTA its a bunch of folks around 1800 or so, who like to ride, tell stories, ride some more, eat, and well you get the picture! For those of you unfamiliar I should tell a little about my self... My nickname is Fireman Joe, I joined the HSTA about 3 yr. ago. I have been riding since I was 15, I am now in my (gulp) 30's, (ouch that was hard to say!). I bought a 90' PC800 in early '94 it had about 10,k miles on it. That year I rode out west and put a quick 6000 miles in 2 weeks on it and did lots of little side jaunts during the year. Last year in 95 I took one big trip as you can read below and put on 10,000 miles in 32 days. Going from my home in Cincinnati, Ohio to the HSTA'S STAR in Avon, Colo. in late June '95. From there I went to North to ride the Alaskan Highway and get to the North Pole! Well, at least some place called North Pole, Alaska where a couple friends wit a couple of PC800's live. While there I got this crazy idea I had to go further north to the ARCTIC CIRCLE, a long gravel road that eventually takes you to Prudhoe Bay. One of the main reasons I bought a PC800 was because after all I read/heard/talk about it, I knew it was a bike that could take that kinda punishment, not to mention I don't like to do things like change oil, plugs, or stuff like that....(grin) Without having joined my friends in the HSTA I would have never enjoyed the past 3 years as much as I have, the PC is sitting here ready to go with 45,000 miles on it, and still runs like new. I have been able to go places, see things that I wouldn't have had it not been for such a fine organization as the HSTA. I feel I have rode more in the past 4 years than I have in the previous 8. SO read on. I hope you can, I tried to adjust it in Microsoft word, it was originally created in Microsoft Publisher. I still have a few things to learn on these darn computer thingys..... God Bless and ride safe! HOW I SPENT MY SUMMER VACATION... .OR THE 10,000 MILE RIDE... by, JOE BERESFORD How does one make a 10,000 mile ride, and not talking Iron Butt in 10 days either. But lots of planning. You start out in late 94 meeting with good friends, especially one who is good at planning things and crunching numbers like Ron and Beth Maudlin . You have to make reservations for things like ferry boats a long time in advance. Then you have wild dreams during the cold winter of fun times on 2 wheels... Save and start putting in vacation requests. Then get the bike worked on as soon as spring bounces in. Well then comes time to take off. You pack things into your dad's motor-home nothing like having a good support vehicle with you. You try to figure out what to pack where realizing your going to be gone for almost 5 weeks. Take the dog to a kennel, stop the mail. Strap things onto the bike, using the handy checklist from the blue book. Go to Indy, meet a couple others going to STAR. Then head out to meet about 400 fellow enthusiast at some place in Colorado where there is still snow, and it's only the middle of June. You enjoy some great roads and comraderies for a few days. Park next to a 10 foot snow drift take a few pictures at Independence Pass. Test ride some bikes, have some more work done on the bike, buy some new tires, a must if your going to Alaska. Party, eat, ride.... Then Pack up again say byes and head north, ride 500 miles then campout get up and do it again for 7 or 8 days, travel thru the Grand Tetons, stop put on your electric cause it started to snow,. Travel thru this huge forest area where there is a big water thing spitting up from the ground...Some Geyser in Yellowstone. Here comes some fun...go thru customs in Canada, first one of 8 customs check we would encounter. Where we get strip searched. Moose and I enjoyed putting everything back on our steeds. Travel thru Calgary, Edmonton, then get to Dawson Creek Mile 0 on the 26 of June. Start up the famous Alaska Highway, now some real fun, be careful to watch your gas level, look out for moose, bear, and other wild animals... Spend a night at Galloping girde bridge, Get to Whitehorse, chalk up a battery for the PC. I guess to much bouncing on the rocky road. June 30 Finally cross into the state of ALASKA!!! Stop pictures with dad and me, Stop in TOK, where they record the coldest temps during winter, and have some great Salmon. The road starts to get real fun, rocks the size of coffee cups, make for a challenge even the PC found tough. Follow Moose up a muddy road in the morning to try to get to some place called Chicken, the Trans Alp and my PC looked like some thing from a mud bogg enduro race, my front wheel was so packed it stopped rolling. So chicken was I. Head for Valdez, which usually records the record snowfall depths. More beautiful roads, oh wow- a glacier, chills go up spine, glad its only 50's out. Spend the night, find out the true nature of mosquito's. they're huge!!! and lots of em. Pack the bikes on a ferry for a ride, out across the water, get a close look at a glacier, and the sight of some big crash. Off load the bikes at a town with no roads out except for a train, so tye-em down on the flat car. 20 miles thru a mountain, then ride into Anchorage, Were we took a couple of days off. July 4 ride up to the famous Denali park ride a wildlife bus tour look for some huge Mountain thru the clouds, I think it was called McKinley.... Get into Fairbanks campout for another night, take a run for the Arctic Circle. 450 miles of gravel up and back, but what a view, worthy of running out of gas, sleeping under the pipeline, take a dip in the Yukon river, that's cold... reading a book outside at 1:30 in the morning cause there's no darkness. Get back real late, but just in time to have some food at Cory's. Then we all ride south out of Fairbanks together see more great country, stop eat some more. Then about July 8 board another ferry vessel for a ride down the coast for the next 2 days.The boat makes pit stops at several small towns along the coast, most of which have less than 20 miles of roads in them, with no other way in/out. yes I checked this out too, bribed the guys on the boat to let me slip my bike off/on at each port to have a quicker way to sightsee. For having had the bike on a boat for a couple of days it logged about 100 miles just running around the ship. There are some really quaint little villages on the Alaska coastline. We arrived at Prince Ruppert in a cold foggy day, in the midst of a harbor dispute between fishermen that proved intriguing. Then started a Easterly trek across Canada along the Icefields Parkway thru the Canadian rockies, & Baniff NatAl Park, which I found more beautiful than I can explain. It has to be experienced, if your planning a honeymoon this be the place! Look there's some black bears, Joannie gets her camera, and a real close-up! Moose chases some sheep. I chase (VIACB-Radio) the motor home down to get the spare gas can. Somehow we missed reading the fine print Ron had on our fancy itinerary sheets about this area! Just when we thought we have been riding alot we meet this guy Peter form Switzerland, who is finishing a year going around the USA/Canada on a Yamaha 750, he has traveled Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Singapore, you name it he did it! I think I seen this guy on Discovery channel.... talk about saddle sore. We come back thru Calgary just in the middle of the STAMPEDE week, ye hah! Then continue the trek across Canada see the worlds tallest T-Pee in Medicine Hat, Saskatchewan. Stop in Regina, for a well overdue oil-change for the PC, find a piece of metal in the oil we still can't figure where it came from. 6 days later of Canada we get into Minneapolis get gas, hear some sirens, listen to the radio and find out there's a tornado right were we are, get back on back, ride hard... Pass thru Chicago on what had to be the hottest day ever, strip off leathers, strip off T-shirt/underwear, put leathers back on, continue riding... Cut back thru Indiana, arrive home where the odometer clicks over 10,000 miles for this trip, 10 states, 5 provinces later. The PC now seems broken in at over 40,000 miles. Yet I think I want a ST...hummmmmm anyone wanna buy a nice PC800, driven only on Sundays..... As always ride safe... and God Bless!!!! oh yea I have pictures to prove this too!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- EOF ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:02:23 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: Ray Nielsen Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: PC's demise? VALKRI..... I just wanna know after seeing it at Cleveland........how'd they come up with the name? Fireman Joe ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Mar 96 00:02:11 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: Sebastiaan Kruit Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Fun mail from rec.motorcycles re: the flying PC One of the HSTA members has a neat solutuion for that...... I too have found the PC flying; above 100 mph the front end wants to come up beacasue of that nifty front wheel disc cover.........One of the TEXAS hill folks took his wifes front cover off and modified a ST1100 front fender to go on the PC...it looks neat and alloows more air to help keep the front end down......it opens up the disc area and quits the drag that forces the front end up and wind under the bike itself...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 06:58:49 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: FTP Roger Prince , your return address bounced for me. I did get things working (except for HERE on the PC picture page). I downloaded WS_FTP (both 16 bit and 32 bit versions). They work just fine. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 52(for a couple more days) 1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 07:39:25 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Joe's big ride Alllllll Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht !!!!! That's not too long a story. That's one of the things that *I* want to find here !! --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 52(for a couple more days) 1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 Mar 96 00:52:51 UT From: "Charter Member" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FOR SALE PC-800 Just wanted to let everyone know that I have a 1995 PC-800 for sale with 1800 miles. Garaged since new. Perfect condition $6500.00 firm.... Located in S. Florida Includes bike cover (never used) Trunk light (still in box) Floor mats Several extra body panels. Still under warranty. Bike only six months old. Write to: BetaTester@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My purchase!!!!:) 4K! Sounds like a great price for any nearly new PC, but don't keep us wondering, Gunther. What year is it? On Fri, 8 Mar 1996 GuntherSki@aol.com wrote: > Well group, I did it. > > Bought a neatly new PC800 for 4K. I'll get it Monday night, just in time for > the warmest day in March, Tuesday. > > Thansk for all of your help. I probably wouldn't have bought the bike without > it. > > Z > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Cc: "INTERNET:Timmacy@aol.com" , PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello A general TO ALL message Joe - absolutely! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 09 Mar 1996 22:20:22 -0600 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: Priority Plus lights I installed my Priority Plus Light System today. It works great. One nice thing about changing the turn signals into running lights is that they are visible from the side too. Installation is pretty easy if you are comfortable cutting a few wires. The turn signal wires are easy to figure out. Having the shop manual is a big help in finding the brake and tail light wires. I put mine inside the trunk on the left side. There is an indentation there that the box fits in. You will have to drill two holes three inches apart. I put a rubber grommet in each hole to make it look a little nicer. I ran two wires to the right turn signal. But in hindsight, I could have got to the right signal wire on the left side of the bike in the harness. I had a little trouble getting their butt connectors to work so I soldered the wires to the cut turn signal wires and covered them with heat shrink tubing. Their T connectors worked well to splice into wires that did not need to be cut. If anyone else is thinking of getting one and wants some more detailed instructions, let me know. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:12:58 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@azstarnet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: Ready, Set... I'm all set to leave Monday morning on the trip I mentioned earlier. It's a group tour, led by Pancho Villa Moto Tours.We will be 9 people, leaving from Nogales, to San Carlos, then Matzatlan. Then a 16 hour ferry ride across the Sea of Cortez, to La Paz, then around the tip of the Baja to Cabo San Lucas, and straight up the Pacific coast to San Diego. Sixteen days, 2500 miles. It includes a train ride and an dovernight stay in the Copper Canyon. I am sure looking forward to it. I just took a four day holiday, from Tucson to Laughlin for some Blackjack, (won $330., surely a good omen) a nifty little boat tour on the Colorado up to Davis Dam, and enjoying the vistas in Arizona on the way, and a different route home. The Harquahala Valley, from aobut Gila Bend Northwest to the river was new to me and really spectacular. The weather was perfect; mid 70s, brilliant sun all the way. I'll send a travelogue about the Mexican trip after I return. Warm (!) regards- Ed Johnson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:09:17 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: PC Values I have been a member of this list for less than a month but really appreciate hearing what everyone has to say. You guys are the greatest. I have especially enjoyed fillossifisizeing with Tim Macy out in Oregun. (especially his pithy remarks" I really have my heart set on buying a PC real soon. The information I have been getting through the groups has been really helpful in getting to know your "passion" bike and I am convinced that this is the bike for me. Hope to pick up a '90 or a '94 as soon as this tundra that I know as Wisconsin thaws out. Winter here has not been a "beech". It has been that other word. Weather prognosticators say we will get up into the 50's this week so there is hope. I know that others out there are looking for bikes and don't know what the market is like out there. I got some information from a library reference desk about motorcycle values and would like to pass it on for what it is worth. In a publication by Hap Jones called Motorcycle Blue Book they list: '89 PC Ave Trade 2439 Suggested retail 3245 '90 PC Ave Trade 2702 Suggested retail 3603 '94 PC Ave Trade 3528 Suggested retail 4704 In the National Automobile Dealers Association book they list: '89 New list 7698, Rough 2460, Clean 2740, Ave retail 3655 '90 New list 7698, Rough 2965, Clean 3300, Ave retail 4335 '94 New list 6999, Rough 3650, Clean 4070, Ave retail 5150 Hope the above will be of some help to you out there who are considering buying or selling your bike. Good ridin to all of you. Bob Rufener ruf@nconnect.net >From the frozen reaches of Wisconsin (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:26:15 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 09:26:15 -0800 To: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener), pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: PC Values Cc: pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu in response to the post about 'suggested' prices for resale..... NOPE I think you'll find used PC's will run more than $3000 :>) tho....ya never know. And one of the honda guys here said he had heard about the discontinuation of the PC's from a Honda rep :>( That's what bad marketing and overpriced motorcycles will do...this bike should be no more than $7000...oh well...I'll keep mine for awhile....till the Valkrie shows up, at least...heheheheeee _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Mar 96 15:19:46 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: Roger Prince Cc: Goerge Catt , "Keith M. Danielson" , "Ronald L. Dison" <75000.325@compuserve.com>, "Cory S. Estes" , "Carl J. Freed" <74267.3504@compuserve.com>, "Daniel L. Gordon" <74534.2265@compuserve.com>, "David H. Gorham" <74734.1464@compuserve.com>, "Baron L. Hansen" <74144.3404@compuserve.com>, Paul Heflin <74557.413@compuserve.com>, "INTERNET:TMoore614@aol.c" , PC800 Listerve , HSTA ListServer , "Elbert E. Silbaugh" <71203.2774@compuserve.com>, Lynn Weas <75407.237@compuserve.com> Subject: ALASKA STORY ------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been recently trying to forward a file that contained this little story i wrote, I had it in a file that I have attempted to attach to emal letters, but I guess I aint doing something right... so I thought I'd send it out as regular email letter for snowbound friends, SInce this is now march and It is still snowwing, I figured what the heh....hope you all enjoy, and think SPRING! -------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 March, 1996 :-) The following is an article I typed up for the Ohio Rider newsletter that I try to put out, for the Ohio members of the Honda Sport Touring Association. I want to share with anyone who can read that small I imported/exported and am still fumbling my way around a computer. For those of you unfamiliar with the HSTA its a bunch of folks around 1800 or so, who like to ride, tell stories, ride some more, eat, and well you get the picture! For those of you unfamiliar I should tell a little about my self... My nickname is Fireman Joe, I joined the HSTA about 3 yr. ago. I have been riding since I was 15, I am now in my (gulp) 30's, (ouch that was hard to say!). I bought a 90' PC800 in early '94 it had about 10,k miles on it. That year I rode out west and put a quick 6000 miles in 2 weeks on it and did lots of little side jaunts during the year. Last year in 95 I took one big trip as you can read below and put on 10,000 miles in 32 days. Going from my home in Cincinnati, Ohio to the HSTA'S STAR in Avon, Colo. in late June '95. From there I went to North to ride the Alaskan Highway and get to the North Pole! Well, at least some place called North Pole, Alaska where a couple friends with a couple of PC800's live. While there I got this crazy idea I had to go further north to the ARCTIC CIRCLE, a long gravel road that eventually takes you to Prudhoe Bay. One of the main reasons I bought a PC800 was because after all I read/heard/talk about it, I knew it was a bike that could take that kinda punishment, not to mention I don't like to do things like change oil, plugs, or stuff like that....(grin) Without having joined my friends in the HSTA I would have never enjoyed the past 3 years as much as I have, the PC is sitting here ready to go with 45,000 miles on it, and still runs like new. I have been able to go places, see things that I wouldn't have had it not been for such a fine organization as the HSTA. I feel I have rode more in the past 4 years than I have in the previous 8. SO read on. I hope you can, I tried to adjust it in Microsoft word, it was originally created in Microsoft Publisher. I still have a few things to learn on these darn computer thingys..... God Bless and ride safe! HOW I SPENT MY SUMMER VACATION... .OR THE 10,000 MILE RIDE... by, JOE BERESFORD How does one make a 10,000 mile ride, and not talking Iron Butt in 10 days either. But lots of planning. You start out in late 94 meeting with good friends, especially one who is good at planning things and crunching numbers like Ron and Beth Maudlin . You have to make reservations for things like ferry boats a long time in advance. Then you have wild dreams during the cold winter of fun times on 2 wheels... Save and start putting in vacation requests. Then get the bike worked on as soon as spring bounces in. Well then comes time to take off. You pack things into your dad's motor-home nothing like having a good support vehicle with you. You try to figure out what to pack where realizing your going to be gone for almost 5 weeks. Take the dog to a kennel, stop the mail. Strap things onto the bike, using the handy checklist from the blue book. Go to Indy, meet a couple others going to STAR. Then head out to meet about 400 fellow enthusiast at some place in Colorado where there is still snow, and it's only the middle of June. You enjoy some great roads and comraderies for a few days. Park next to a 10 foot snow drift take a few pictures at Independence Pass. Test ride some bikes, have some more work done on the bike, buy some new tires, a must if your going to Alaska. Party, eat, ride.... Then Pack up again say byes and head north, ride 500 miles then campout get up and do it again for 7 or 8 days, travel thru the Grand Tetons, stop put on your electric cause it started to snow,. Travel thru this huge forest area where there is a big water thing spitting up from the ground...Some Geyser in Yellowstone. Here comes some fun...go thru customs in Canada, first one of 8 customs check we would encounter. Where we get strip searched. Moose and I enjoyed putting everything back on our steeds. Travel thru Calgary, Edmonton, then get to Dawson Creek Mile 0 on the 26 of June. Start up the famous Alaska Highway, now some real fun, be careful to watch your gas level, look out for moose, bear, and other wild animals... Spend a night at Galloping girde bridge, Get to Whitehorse, chalk up a battery for the PC. I guess to much bouncing on the rocky road. June 30 Finally cross into the state of ALASKA!!! Stop pictures with dad and me, Stop in TOK, where they record the coldest temps during winter, and have some great Salmon. The road starts to get real fun, rocks the size of coffee cups, make for a challenge even the PC found tough. Follow Moose up a muddy road in the morning to try to get to some place called Chicken, the Trans Alp and my PC looked like some thing from a mud bogg enduro race, my front wheel was so packed it stopped rolling. So chicken was I. Head for Valdez, which usually records the record snowfall depths. More beautiful roads, oh wow- a glacier, chills go up spine, glad its only 50's out. Spend the night, find out the true nature of mosquito's. they're huge!!! and lots of em. Pack the bikes on a ferry for a ride, out across the water, get a close look at a glacier, and the sight of some big crash. Off load the bikes at a town with no roads out except for a train, so tye-em down on the flat car. 20 miles thru a mountain, then ride into Anchorage, Were we took a couple of days off. July 4 ride up to the famous Denali park ride a wildlife bus tour look for some huge Mountain thru the clouds, I think it was called McKinley.... Get into Fairbanks campout for another night, take a run for the Arctic Circle. 450 miles of gravel up and back, but what a view, worthy of running out of gas, sleeping under the pipeline, take a dip in the Yukon river, that's cold... reading a book outside at 1:30 in the morning cause there's no darkness. Get back real late, but just in time to have some food at Cory's. Then we all ride south out of Fairbanks together see more great country, stop eat some more. Then about July 8 board another ferry vessel for a ride down the coast for the next 2 days.The boat makes pit stops at several small towns along the coast, most of which have less than 20 miles of roads in them, with no other way in/out. yes I checked this out too, bribed the guys on the boat to let me slip my bike off/on at each port to have a quicker way to sightsee. For having had the bike on a boat for a couple of days it logged about 100 miles just running around the ship. There are some really quaint little villages on the Alaska coastline. We arrived at Prince Ruppert in a cold foggy day, in the midst of a harbor dispute between fishermen that proved intriguing. Then started a Easterly trek across Canada along the Icefields Parkway thru the Canadian rockies, & Baniff NatAl Park, which I found more beautiful than I can explain. It has to be experienced, if your planning a honeymoon this be the place! Look there's some black bears, Joannie gets her camera, and a real close-up! Moose chases some sheep. I chase (VIACB-Radio) the motor home down to get the spare gas can. Somehow we missed reading the fine print Ron had on our fancy itinerary sheets about ! this area! Just when we thought we have been riding alot we meet this guy Peter form Switzerland, who is finishing a year going around the USA/Canada on a Yamaha 750, he has traveled Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Singapore, you name it he did it! I think I! seen this guy on Discovery channel.... talk about saddle sore. We come back thru Calgary just in the middle of the STAMPEDE week, ye hah! Then continue the trek across Canada see the worlds tallest T-Pee in Medicine Hat, Saskatchewan. Stop in Regina, for a well overdue oil-change for the PC, find a piece of metal in the oil we still can't figure where it came from. 6 days later of Canada we get into Minneapolis get gas, hear some sirens, listen to the radio and find out there's a tornado right were we are, get back on back, ride hard... Pass thru Chicago on what had to be the hottest day ever, strip off leathers, strip off T-shirt/underwear, put leathers back on, continue riding... Cut back thru Indiana, arrive home where the odometer clicks over 10,000 miles for this trip, 10 states, 5 provinces later. The PC now seems broken in at over 40,000 miles. Yet I think I want a ST...hummmmmm anyone wanna buy a nice PC800, driven only on Sundays..... As always ride safe... and God Bless!!!! oh yea I have pictures to prove this too!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- EOF ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Visit the PC800 web page at HSTA .............................. http://membersaol.com./hstawww/ --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Mar 96 18:53:02 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: My ALASKA Story TO: ALL PC800/ AKA: Helix on steriods/Baby Goldwingers/pertty little scooter thing...lovers.... If anyone has missed the little ditty I wrote about a trip thru canad alaska... please leave me your name an email addrss an I'll try to forward a copy....... or almost anyone could forward a copy.to anyone..if you leave a message.... joe ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: _spain@edsug.com 10 Mar 1996 16:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 16:43:00 -0800 Subject: Priority Plus lights To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >I installed my Priority Plus Light System today. > >It works great. One nice thing about changing the turn signals into >running lights is that they are visible from the side too. > >Installation is pretty easy if you are comfortable cutting a few >wires. The turn signal wires are easy to figure out. Having the shop >manual is a big help in finding the brake and tail light wires. > >I put mine inside the trunk on the left side. There is an indentation >there that the box fits in. You will have to drill two holes three >inches apart. I put a rubber grommet in each hole to make it look a >little nicer. > >I ran two wires to the right turn signal. But in hindsight, I could >have got to the right signal wire on the left side of the bike in the >harness. > >I had a little trouble getting their butt connectors to work so I >soldered the wires to the cut turn signal wires and covered them with >heat shrink tubing. Their T connectors worked well to splice into >wires that did not need to be cut. > >If anyone else is thinking of getting one and wants some more detailed >instructions, let me know. > >Bill Sounds like you did yours the same way as mine except I didn't use the rubber grommets or heat shrink. Your install must look very professional! :-) It takes some getting used to (the Priority Lights). Knowing what the lights were doing behind me made me a bit self conscious about hitting the brakes but this has passed over time. Also, you will find that you can get the lights a flashin' by just a twitch of the front brake. I do this every so often to get folks off my rear. With the PL system, you can twitch the front brake an concentrate on traffic rather than flashing your brake lights :-). Are these lights legal in your area? I must admit, it will be a while until I can pass the 'law' without thinking about the PL system :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 19:51:43 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu, Dentman711@aol.com Subject: Re: Brake pads? In a message dated 96-03-07 14:24:13 EST, bryceu@MICROSOFT.com (Bryce Ulrich) writes: >I have the EBC Black front/rear and noticed and immense improvement in >braking power. Bryce, Thanks for posting this. When (if?) my wife's brakes ever wear out, I will go with the EBC Black. They would have been my gut choice without the recommendation, but the recommenation reinforces the validity of that choice, pleasantly. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:01:16 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Forwarded Message from Scott Adams, Dilbert's creator I thought all you PC guys might use a snicker or two this Monday, so here it is. Enjoy! Juan >> The government of the United States has passed a law which makes it a >>crime to transmit indecent materials over the Internet. As a citizen >>of this great country I plan to fully comply with that law. >> >> From now on, whenever I get the urge to use an offensive word in e-mail >>I will substitute the name of an offensive politician. I urge you to do >>the same. >> >> The beauty of this approach is that they can't easily ban these new >>naughty words without changing their own names. I know I could get >>in trouble for suggesting such a thing, but I don't give a flying >>Buchanan what they think. And if they don't like it they can come over >>here and kiss my Gingrich. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:52:03 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Wow Alaska Ron, At 01:31 PM 3/9/96 -1000, you wrote: >Juan, > >I just finished reading Joe's trip report and I'm *really* impressed. I >know that Shimia might not be the world's hot spot : - ). But it sure >sounds like Alaska is a dynamite place to ride. How much of it have you >toured around? With only 150 or so miles of road on Oahu I'm starting to >get jealous of you mainlanders. Is there a certain time window that's best >for touring there (weather, sunlight, bugs, etc.)? I have a couple of >friends who are from or lived in the Anchorage area, so I only know a bit >about this part of the state. Stay warm and well. It is a great place to ride, especially if you have a dual-sport bike. If you ride 150 miles south of Fairbanks (or east, or north) you end up in the middle of nowhere, so you would certainly find it entretaining. However, this consists of only 3 roads! And one of them is mostly dirt (north, towards Prudhoe Bay). I try to tell people that ask how come I've never taken my bike that way is because to someone that is visiting that road is an adventure all its own. To (most of) us, it is just a really bad road to be avoided. All plastic bikes like the PC do not take kindly to the pounding that road shells out, not to mention what street tires do when it is muddy. I've been on weekend tours that take me from here to Anchorage and back the short way (720 miles round trip) or three day rides via the long way (about 900 miles for the loop). This May, in preparation for out trip to West Virginia, Cory, Glenn, Jay, maybe Katie and myself will go on a lightning two day, 1000 mile shake-down cruise to Seward and back, just to test equipment and rider endurance. So, as you can see, one can rack up the miles even in our short riding season, provided you can get away from work/family. On the other hand, We only have a few paved roads. If you have Dual sport, or if you don't mind beating your steed into submission, the the nuber of available tours more than triples. Well, as far as daylight, no worries. If it is warm enought to ride, daylight is over abundant (makes you wonder who is the idiot who thought of _white_ tent tops). Bugs, forget it. They will always be there unless you come in the winter. You have your choice : - ) Weather depends on what part of the state you are in. It is so big that you can have, at the same time: Snow in the north, gale winds in the west coast, 80 deg. temp in the interior, and miserable, wet drizzle in the southeast and southcentral part of the state. Then again, it might be nice (or not) all over! IMHO, the best time would be mid-June to mid-July. After that it becomes more unpredictable. Rule of thumb when touring Alaska: Be prepared for anything (and bring lots of "bug dope"). Fireman Joe's comments about the mosquitoes reminds me of a joke (or is that an anecdote?) that was started during the construction of the Alaska Highway: Two mosquitoes approach a military tent where there is a soldier sound asleep. One of them says: "Paydirt! What do you think, should we eat him right here or should we drag him outside?" The other one replies: " Are you kidding? If we take him outside, the big guys will get him!" Enjoy, Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 23:16:01 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Naughty Names Brilliant! I love it. And any Son of a Clinton who disagrees with me can go take a flying Helms. Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:07:22 -0800 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Hello to All To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu I "discovered" this group a couple of weeks ago and have been lurking in the background and reading a couple of months of the archived information. It has been very informative. I am 45 years old, living in Marietta, GA (just north of Atlanta) with my wife Debbie and three boys. I have been back into riding for the last three years after a 20 year hibernation thanks to urging of a good friend, Tom Reynolds. Some of you may know Tom as he has been active in the HSTA for a number of years and has been riding one of the five bikes in his stable in numerous other groups. >From the very start, I had wanted a PC, but wasn't willing to pay the price for a new one and when I found a used one advertised in the Cycle Trader, it would be gone when I called. I first owned a 1986 Concours, but it got taken out from under me by a neighbor hitting me from the rear while I was stopped at a stop sign in my own neighborhood. Fortunately, I was OK, but the bike was totaled out. After waiting and trying to find either a PC or another Connie, I was missing out on the best parts of the riding season and bought a 1982 Goldwing with only 13K miles. While Debbie really enjoyed the ride on the Wing, I missed out on the sporty feel and kept my eyes out for a PC. Finally in March 95, I was driving past an auto upholstery shop and saw a PC with a for sale sign. After some intense negotiation, I added a 89 Whitey. It only had 12K miles and was in showroom condition. Over the last year, the PC has been everything that I always hoped it would be. The trunk has room for my other PC (laptop computer) and briefcase for riding to work when the weather is nice. I have really enjoyed it so much that I have decided to put the Goldwing up for sale next week. I am a member of the HSTA (5808RG) and the HRCA (HM712347) and have been getting more active in these groups. I had the opportunity to meet Dana Sawyer last month at the Dillard House on the Georgia HSTA's "Mother I've Lost My Mind" ride. Dana, we only had time to shake hands, but I look forward to our next meeting and getting to spend a little more time talking with you. Sorry to have been so long winded in this introduction. I do have one queston. Has anyone installed the "BackOff Brake Light" signal module on their PC? I have seen this signal modification advertised for the last couple of months and it got a nice writeup in the March issue of Motorcycle Consumer News. Any feedback will be appreciated. Hello again and I look forward to our future chats. Dave Lott 11 Mar 96 10:46:36 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:46:18 GMT+1 Subject: Re: Forwarded Message from Scott Adams, Dilbert's creato Priority: normal Just a simple question: Who decides what is indecent ? After all the internet is world-wide so what will they do if I (I live in Europe) use language that THEY consider indecent....? They may send the CIA and I don't mind as long as the ride PC800's. :-) > >> The government of the United States has passed a law which makes it a > >>crime to transmit indecent materials over the Internet. As a citizen > >>of this great country I plan to fully comply with that law. > >> > >> From now on, whenever I get the urge to use an offensive word in e-mail > >>I will substitute the name of an offensive politician. I urge you to do > >>the same. > >> > >> The beauty of this approach is that they can't easily ban these new > >>naughty words without changing their own names. I know I could get > >>in trouble for suggesting such a thing, but I don't give a flying > >>Buchanan what they think. And if they don't like it they can come over > >>here and kiss my Gingrich. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Juan A. Goula > School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences > University of Alaska Fairbanks > AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG > 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 07:31:06 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "PC800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, ("Charter_Member")_BetaTester@msn.com Subject: Reply to: FOR SALE PC-800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 03/11/96 07:34 ## Several extra body panels?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ("Charter Member") BetaTester@msn.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 03/10/96 00:52 ## Just wanted to let everyone know that I have a 1995 PC-800 for sale with 1800 miles. Garaged since new. Perfect condition $6500.00 firm.... Located in S. Florida Includes bike cover (never used) Trunk light (still in box) Floor mats Several extra body panels. Still under warranty. Bike only six months old. Write to: BetaTester@msn.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Cc: "INTERNET:Timmacy@aol.com" , PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello What a trip, Joe! Thanks for taking the time to write it and post it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Mar 96 13:09:10 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Wow Alaska For what it's worth, I'm here to tell you that everything Juan said about Alaska is absolutely correct. The beauty and wonder are beyond belief. The lack of places to go is also beyond belief! Last weekend Juan, several friends, and I drove down to Anchorage to a motorcycle show. You can tell we're desperate and have PMS, 16 hours driving to spend 4 hours at a small motorcycle show! ANYWAY, on both the trip down and the return, Denali (Mt. McKinley to you "outsiders") was in full view. The highest peak in North America rarely gives you a peek, she's usually wearing her cloud veil. The colors, around the entire 360 degree panorama, were incredible. It was so beautiful that my mere words are an insult! It's sort of a circular thing. To have more roads to better enjoy the beauty we'd need more places to go. That would mean more people. More people would probably mean less beauty. On and on and on. It's an unbelievably beautifuul place, but the only way to really see it is by air, snow machine, dog team, or on foot. With that in mind, guess I'd rather do my riding where there's a longer season! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:21:47 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Front Wheel Shudder I finaly got back from CA and was able to go for a 100+ mile ride yesterday. I took the back roads ( highway 210) from Laramie to Cheyenne. I notced that when I close the gas and decelerate I get a front end shudder from 45 to 35 mph when I take my hands off the bars. Its not bad, and does not progress. I called the dealer and he said that with a bike as large as mine (?) it will happen. He said that Honda told him that riders should not be taking their hands off the bars. He said to check the air pressure. He said that would not eliminat the problem but would keep it at a minimum. Is he for real? Or is something out of balence? Chris 95 PC800 (120 miles on the clock) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:23:22 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wind Buffeting Bas, Before I bought my new 95 PC800 2 weeks ago I was going back and forth about the Connie. But after a demo ride I was sure the PC was the one. I am 29 years old, and when I was 29 20 I have a VERY bad cycle accident. It was totlay my fault. Late at night, in Boston, just started to rain, I had little experience, and was returning from a frat party, I have little urge to street race. So the extra power of the Connie was not a great draw. The COG and the strong after market support was nice. But, after a 20 mile demo my hands were buzing for an hour. It was just not acceptable. Not to metion the Kawa dealer here and in Ft. Collins are not great (but niether is the Honda dealer here! I bought mine in Denver). As far as the front end hunting in the wind I do know what you mean. I don't know if you have every been to WY but we have a windy season that runs from Jan1 to Dec 31. At least thats the joke here. When I am doing 75 with a 40 mph head wind I do notice the "hunting" front end. But, since I am going back to the NY/NJ area for good this may I am not concerned. And yes, we have 20-45 mph winds EVERY DAMN DAY!!!!. If you are riding east its not a problem, but when you are heading west, man! does it suck!!!. I drove to Salt Lake recently (Business, not religious) and in my 95 Windstar I got 14 mpg heading west, and 22 heading east! But remember we have a 75 mph speed limit, which lets us go 80 he, he, he! Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Mar 96 18:03:07 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: PC800 Listerve Subject: THESE darn messgaes... I have a silly question? Can anyone tell me if this listserev(PC800) is capable of doing a digest like the HSTA list messgaes do.... it is getting to be a little wild everynight when I log in I get over 20 messages....can the PC800 list run as a compiled messgaes ????? iT would save me a couple of pennies....I just found my compuersve account is over 500 minutes worth so far this month..most of which I have spent on the NET....speaking of anyone seen the movie and called for the free disk.... ] and while I am rambling...regardi9ng my Alaska story I am glad it is beeing enjoyed, I do apologize if it was to lengthy, and I am sure the format could have been better but heh....yesterday I couldnt spel techniaicn today I r one! Trying to dance around on a 486 that has a bad memeroy simm, it likes to carsh a lot......I am ready to run this pc with my other PC......... joe ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: seth.miller@atpmail.pg.AirTouch.COM Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 14:52:28 CST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder Can't tell you if the dealer is for real or not, but I can tell you that my PC ('89 - about 25k miles) does the same thing - always has... Since the trailing-throttle wobble effect only occurs in a narrow speed range, is very slight, and does not progress, as you say, I have just ignored it. This effect is not uncommon in touring bikes with fairings and luggage, and besides, it is indeed a poor idea to take both hands off the bars while in motion. No matter how stable the bike may be, an unseen pothole will have a very unpleasant effect! As your dealer noted, careful attention to air pressure in the tires will help minimize negative handling effects like these. Since your bike is still new you might also want to have the dealer check adjustment of the steering head bearings - this is pretty critical to proper handling and sometimes this loosens up after the first break-in miles. The dealer will probably do this check at the 600 mile service. Tire wear can also introduce stability quirks, but your tires are still new so they are probably not an issue here. IMHO, I wouldn't spend a lot of time and energy chasing this one, unless it really bothers you... - Seth ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Front Wheel Shudder Author: KlassC@aol.com at atpmail Date: 3/11/96 1:36 PM I finaly got back from CA and was able to go for a 100+ mile ride yesterday. I took the back roads ( highway 210) from Laramie to Cheyenne. I notced that when I close the gas and decelerate I get a front end shudder from 45 to 35 mph when I take my hands off the bars. Its not bad, and does not progress. I called the dealer and he said that with a bike as large as mine (?) it will happen. He said that Honda told him that riders should not be taking their hands off the bars. He said to check the air pressure. He said that would not eliminat the problem but would keep it at a minimum. Is he for real? Or is something out of balence? Chris 95 PC800 (120 miles on the clock) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: THESE darn messgaes... From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 11 Mar 1996 17:38:34 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "JB" == Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> writes: JB> Can anyone tell me if this listserev(PC800) is capable of doing a JB> digest like the HSTA list messgaes do.... No. The software is, but I don't have it set up. I really dislike digests, since you don't get complete headers on a digested message and people never seem to be able to reply to a digested message correctly. You end up with many subjects of the form "Re: PC800 Digest v1 #20" which is pretty annoying. If there is really a service still in existence that's so Draconian as to charge per incoming message then I might consider trying to set something up. If you're just concerned about connect time spent reading the messages then I suggest that you try an offline mail reading package, since the size of the digest will be about the same as the sum of all of the messages. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: mcbride@nmti.com (Tom McBride) Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:15:14 -0600 (CST) Chris (KlassC@aol.com) writes: ++ ++I finaly got back from CA and was able to go for a 100+ mile ride yesterday. ++ I took the back roads ( highway 210) from Laramie to Cheyenne. I notced ++that when I close the gas and decelerate I get a front end shudder from 45 to ++35 mph when I take my hands off the bars. Its not bad, and does not ++progress. I called the dealer and he said that with a bike as large as mine ++(?) it will happen. He said that Honda told him that riders should not be ++taking their hands off the bars. He said to check the air pressure. He said ++that would not eliminat the problem but would keep it at a minimum. Is he ++for real? Or is something out of balence? ++ I have a '90 PC with the same problem; it wants to shudder (I call it a wobble) when decelerating from 35 - 45 with my hands off the bars. Seems to be one of the very few things wrong with the bike. When I replaced the front tire, I noticed that one of the front forks was clamped in maybe 3/16" lower than the other; I loosened all the bolts and evened up the fork so that it more closely matched the other one. After this, I noticed that the wobble was improved, but still there. The bike seems to handle fine otherwise, so I've always regarded this as a quirk rather than something wrong. In fact, my son has an '81 GL-500 that has the same problem. I've had two Kawasaki's, on the other hand (a KZ-1100 and a Voyager) that do not have the wobble problem. So maybe this a Honda idiosyncrasy? I would be interested in anyone else's input on this. Tom McBride ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'mcbride@nmti.com'" Subject: RE: Front Wheel Shudder Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 16:40:03 -0800 This has come up on the alias before but to my recollection there's no obvious solution. I too have have had the front tire wobble. Two things that seem to make it go away for me. 1) Check the tire pressure. This seems to have the most effect when I top it off the missing 1-2 lbs. 2) New tires have always taken the problem away. Could be solution #1 but this has always eliminated the problem for me. The tire shop and others have said it's often the design of the bike and/or the tire tread that can give the wobble. Looking at the tire I just might agree (Metzler ML2). They mentioned the Concours can get a violent shake as well. Needless to say it's rare I take both hands off and decelerate at the same time. I use a throttle lock cruise control and flick it on if I need both hands for a zipper, strap adjustment, or whatever. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: mcbride@nmti.com[SMTP:mcbride@nmti.com] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 1996 3:15 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder > >Chris (KlassC@aol.com) writes: > >++ >++I finaly got back from CA and was able to go for a 100+ mile ride >yesterday. >++ I took the back roads ( highway 210) from Laramie to Cheyenne. I >notced >++that when I close the gas and decelerate I get a front end shudder >from 45 to >++35 mph when I take my hands off the bars. Its not bad, and does not >++progress. I called the dealer and he said that with a bike as large >as mine >++(?) it will happen. He said that Honda told him that riders should >not be >++taking their hands off the bars. He said to check the air pressure.=20 >He said >++that would not eliminat the problem but would keep it at a minimum.=20 >Is he >++for real? Or is something out of balence? >++ > >I have a '90 PC with the same problem; it wants to shudder (I call it >a >wobble) when decelerating from 35 - 45 with my hands off the bars.=20 >Seems >to be one of the very few things wrong with the bike. =20 > >When I replaced the front tire, I noticed that one of the front forks >was=20 >clamped in maybe 3/16" lower than the other; I loosened all the bolts >and=20 >evened up the fork so that it more closely matched the other one.=20 >After=20 >this, I noticed that the wobble was improved, but still there. The >bike=20 >seems to handle fine otherwise, so I've always regarded this as a quirk > >rather than something wrong. In fact, my son has an '81 GL-500 that >has=20 >the same problem. I've had two Kawasaki's, on the other hand (a >KZ-1100=20 >and a Voyager) that do not have the wobble problem. So maybe this a >Honda >idiosyncrasy? > >I would be interested in anyone else's input on this. > >Tom McBride > >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: seth.miller@atpmail.pg.AirTouch.COM Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 16:40:59 CST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder Can't tell you if the dealer is for real or not, but I can tell you that my PC ('89 - about 25k miles) does the same thing - always has... Since the trailing-throttle wobble effect only occurs in a narrow speed range, is very slight, and does not progress, as you say, I have just ignored it. This effect is not uncommon in touring bikes with fairings and luggage, and besides, it is indeed a poor idea to take both hands off the bars while in motion. No matter how stable the bike may be, an unseen pothole will have a very unpleasant effect! As your dealer noted, careful attention to air pressure in the tires will help minimize negative handling effects like these. Since your bike is still new you might also want to have the dealer check adjustment of the steering head bearings - this is pretty critical to proper handling and sometimes this loosens up after the first break-in miles. The dealer will probably do this check at the 600 mile service. Tire wear can also introduce stability quirks, but your tires are still new so they are probably not an issue here. IMHO, I wouldn't spend a lot of time and energy chasing this one, unless it really bothers you... - Seth ------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Front Wheel Shudder Author: KlassC@aol.com at atpmail Date: 3/11/96 1:36 PM I finaly got back from CA and was able to go for a 100+ mile ride yesterday. I took the back roads ( highway 210) from Laramie to Cheyenne. I notced that when I close the gas and decelerate I get a front end shudder from 45 to 35 mph when I take my hands off the bars. Its not bad, and does not progress. I called the dealer and he said that with a bike as large as mine (?) it will happen. He said that Honda told him that riders should not be taking their hands off the bars. He said to check the air pressure. He said that would not eliminat the problem but would keep it at a minimum. Is he for real? Or is something out of balence? Chris 95 PC800 (120 miles on the clock) -- Visit the PC800 web page at To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:41:31 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tank Bag Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, which one? Chris 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 21:41:41 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Extra Key I want to get another key for my 95 PC800. The local dealer (not very good) says that Honda will only sell keys with a new lock. I don't want to go to True-Value because I want a key with the black plastic end. Any ideas? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:17:10 -0600 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: Tank Bag >>>>Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, which one? I have a small magnetic bag but I don't use it much. Radio Shack sells some magnets that are about the size of dominoes. Glue the magnets inside the air filter cover. Put the bag on the outside first and use the magnets in the bag to place the ones inside the cover. Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 22:55:08 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage As a regular on this mailing list, I'd like some input on a fair price for my 89 PC. It's got almost 80K miles, and is in virtually perfect shape. It's never been down, and has some accessories, e.g. a Rifle fairing, Corbin seat, Honda backrest, electric handlebar heaters and a few more modifications for the road. The "value books" available at dealers show prices that in my mind are too high at about $2400 wholesale and over $3000 retail. Maybe for a lower mileage example, but I would guess that mine should sell for less. I've offered it to the son of a riding buddy for $1800, knowing that it will need new rubber in about 3K miles. Other than that I know of nothing needing replacement. New brakes at about 53K miles -- all fresh fluids last fall, and new wheel bearings in the mid 50K mile range; new battery last year. What's the general consensus of opinion of my asking price? Perhaps the young lad will see your responses here if he subscribes -- hopefully you'll agree on the fairness of my price. In any event it should be enlightening. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 01:08:16 -0500 To: rnielsen@isd.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage On Mon, Mar 11, 1996 10:55:08 PM, Ray Nielsen wrote: >As a regular on this mailing list, I'd like some input on a fair price for >my 89 PC. It's got almost 80K miles, and is in virtually perfect shape. >It's never been down, and has some accessories, e.g. a Rifle fairing, Corbin >seat, Honda backrest, electric handlebar heaters and a few more >modifications for the road. > >The "value books" available at dealers show prices that in my mind are too >high at about $2400 wholesale and over $3000 retail. Maybe for a lower >mileage example, but I would guess that mine should sell for less. > >I've offered it to the son of a riding buddy for $1800, knowing that it will >need new rubber in about 3K miles. Other than that I know of nothing >needing replacement. New brakes at about 53K miles -- all fresh fluids last >fall, and new wheel bearings in the mid 50K mile range; new battery last year. Well, last year I paid about $4700 for my '89, with 2K miles, essentially stock and, except with the tall shield. Ignoring the 9 months elapsed time, that would mean a flat-rate depriciation of about 2.4 /mile. On the other hand, most of the depreciation is in the early miles. IME additional milage over about 35K does not impact the bike as severely, the additional wear is mainly to replaceable parts, most of which you have addressed. I *would* have said a price of about $1500 might sound fair, from a stranger. But it sounds like your bike has been well cared for, the type of use is verified, and the features you mention are desireable, and all these factors add value. IMHO, I think your price of $1800 seems fair, particulalrly if you are willing to give a partial warranty, say absorbing 40% of the cost of any major system failure not due to abuse, up to $500, claimed within 30 days. This would give you both some fallback in the event something bizarre, like the driveshaft splines, give way after week 2. I would not give any warranty to someone who I feared would abuse or drop the bike. That being said, it's now my opinion that the PC is one of the easier bikes to buy used. Based on loosely tracking this list, there seem to be few maintainence hassles. I've never heard of valve or cylinder or driveshaft or cooling trouble on any PC. And essentially no brake or fork troubles either. A couple of minor oil leaks, I think, but nothing compared to many other bikes. Most of the traffic here on has to do with the fuel odor, tire choice, gauge quirks, shield type, and other essentially aesthetic matters. Nothing seriously impacting the mechanics of the bike. The most important factor in my purchase is that I liked and trusted the seller. I believed that he would try to help me if the poop hit the fan. I had to ask him for advice on the phone a few times, but no problems arose, and I would gladly buy another bike from him. Hope this helps. - Jeff ........................................................................... "Don't Pee on My Leg and Tell Me It's Raining" -- NYC family court Judge Judy Sheindlin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bag From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Mar 1996 00:15:36 -0600 Lines: 16 >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: K> Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, K> which one? Any three-strap bag will do. The lower strap must loop under the catch for the seat, the upper strap goes around the steering head. If you take off the seat and the covers under the handlebars it becomes immediately obviously how you must do it. Just be careful not to interfere with the cables and such around the steering head. As for what bag, the huge ones are right out but I have an expandable Tour Master bag that wasn't too expensive and works fine. Of course, I only use it when on trips or when I want the stereo I built into it. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Extra Key From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 12 Mar 1996 00:09:06 -0600 Lines: 20 >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: K> I want to get another key for my 95 PC800. The local dealer (not very K> good) says that Honda will only sell keys with a new lock. Send your dealer a load of shovels so customers can get in the door through all of the bullshit. My dealer told me to write down the lock code so that they can make me a new key and deliver it to me if I should ever lose mine. K> I don't want to go to True-Value because I want a key with the black K> plastic end. Well, a key without the plastic end is less bulky and so can fit better in a wallet. If your dealer won't make one for you and you can't get another dealer to do it then you might at least want to get an ugly backup. You might also like to try a real, knowledgeable locksmith. Uncommon blanks can usually be had from a wholesaler in lots as small as two or five. Beware that there are at least two blanks for the PC. - J< (Who actually was a locksmith some years ago) 12 Mar 96 09:52:41 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:52:26 GMT+1 Subject: Re: Re: Tank Bag Priority: normal I did it the the same way and it works fine. Take care that you use one that is not to high, try it out first, by putting it on top of the tank (it is no tank actually...) and sit on your PC than you feel wheter you like it or not. A plastic cover to put a road map behind is very usefull... Rutger > >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: > > K> Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, > K> which one? > > Any three-strap bag will do. The lower strap must loop under the catch for > the seat, the upper strap goes around the steering head. If you take off > the seat and the covers under the handlebars it becomes immediately > obviously how you must do it. Just be careful not to interfere with the > cables and such around the steering head. > > As for what bag, the huge ones are right out but I have an expandable Tour > Master bag that wasn't too expensive and works fine. Of course, I only use > it when on trips or when I want the stereo I built into it. > > - J< > -- ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:46:15 -0600 (CST) Tue, 12 Mar 1996 7:45:46 -0500 (EST) To: KlassC@aol.com From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tank Bag Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 09:41 PM 3/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, which >one? You first should pick a bag with a narrow profile to allow handlebar full turn. Then I purchased six large clear suction cups from walmart (hardware department) and mounted these on the bottom of the bag. It is easy to get off but will stay on. It has not came off by itself in 18000 miles. Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:24:36 -0500 To: rnielsen@isd.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage Ray Here is my method of fairness ( I use it to buy and sell cars ) $3000. - $2400. = $600/2 = $300. $2400. + $300. = $2700.00 This works for average vehicles. I would say he's getting a hell of a deal. I know I would buy it at that price. The local dealer had a 1989 & 1990 PC800 last fall. $5500. for either bike. One had extras. Both had 17K miles. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:24:30 -0500 To: lawyer@pipeline.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage >That being said, it's now my opinion that the PC is one of the easier bikes >to buy used. Based on loosely tracking this list, there seem to be few >maintainence hassles. I've never heard of valve or cylinder or driveshaft >or cooling trouble on any PC. And essentially no brake or fork troubles >either. A couple of minor oil leaks, I think, but nothing compared to many >other bikes. Most of the traffic here on has to do with the fuel odor, >tire choice, gauge quirks, shield type, and other essentially aesthetic >matters. Nothing seriously impacting the mechanics of the bike. That's how I knew the PC was my kind of bike. I went into the machinics area and asked them what they thought of the PC. One races road bikes and they both said the bike was to slow. I asked, do you mean it can't pull its own weight? No it just doesn't accelerate very hard. I then asked about reliability. Nothing ever brakes on them. Well for me a bike that won't stand on its back wheel and will never leave me walking is just fine. And I love the sleek utilitarian apperance of the bike, otherwise known as the space bubble look. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 07:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Ray Nielsen Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage IMHO, you would have no trouble at all getting 3K for your '89 regardless of the 80K miles. On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Ray Nielsen wrote: > As a regular on this mailing list, I'd like some input on a fair price for > my 89 PC. It's got almost 80K miles, and is in virtually perfect shape. > It's never been down, and has some accessories, e.g. a Rifle fairing, Corbin > seat, Honda backrest, electric handlebar heaters and a few more > modifications for the road. > > The "value books" available at dealers show prices that in my mind are too > high at about $2400 wholesale and over $3000 retail. Maybe for a lower > mileage example, but I would guess that mine should sell for less. > > I've offered it to the son of a riding buddy for $1800, knowing that it will > need new rubber in about 3K miles. Other than that I know of nothing > needing replacement. New brakes at about 53K miles -- all fresh fluids last > fall, and new wheel bearings in the mid 50K mile range; new battery last year. > > What's the general consensus of opinion of my asking price? Perhaps the > young lad will see your responses here if he subscribes -- hopefully you'll > agree on the fairness of my price. In any event it should be enlightening. > > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'KlassC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Tank Bag Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:38:22 -0800 The three-point systems will work if you get creative on the front straps. I took off the top cover and looped the strap to the outside of both plastic tabs that mount the top cover. The thin straps (when flat) easily fit between the plastic dash and the top cover (about 11:00 and 1:00 if you look at the top cover like a clock) . Likewise for the rear strap that easily loops under the seat mounts. I've used the Chase Harper bags 750, 1500 and the top of the line Euro something (I really like this one). Both are quite large and will prevent the handlebars from making really sharp turns becuause they'll hit the left/ride sides of the bag. Not a problem until you try parking . One related side effect is that when trying to make a sharp turn the bag will press the start and/or horn buttons. The latter of course will always happen at the worst of times -- midnight at a campground when your trying to be really quiet . Makes you jump so hight you almost dump the bike! =20 This is a trade-off I'm willing to make 'cause I need all the space I can get when touring 2-up with camping gear. =20 -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'KlassC@aol.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Extra Key Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:43:18 -0800 Find another dealer if that was his real answer. He's not trying to help you very much. I got some additional keys make at a Honda Dealer just by giving him the number on the key. They did mention however that not all dealer's could make keys -- some sort of regional privilige. Call some other nearby cities I guess. The dealer I got the keys from was Lynnwood Cycle Barn in Lynnwood, WA.=20 The plastic end keys were more expensive. -bryceu >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 1996 6:41 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Extra Key > >I want to get another key for my 95 PC800. The local dealer (not very >good) >says that Honda will only sell keys with a new lock. I don't want to >go to >True-Value because I want a key with the black plastic end. Any ideas? > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:52:36 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder and Tank Bag Hi Chris: many bikes exhibit the deceleration steering flutter you describe. My '89 PC, my wife's '90 PC, and my Gold Wing all do it. So does my buddies 850 Norton Commando. I've heard of several alleged cures that seem to work for some folks but not all. Check the front suspension preload; if the springs are sagging a bit, that could contribute to the problem. Many advise making sure the steering bearings are adjusted properly. Mine are adjusted properly, and it still shakes its head. I've heard that converting to roller bearings can help, but it didn't help the Wing. I guess the bottom line is that it is not unusual behavior; it isn't an indicator of a serious problem with the machine; and keeping at least one hand on the bars when decelerating between 45 and 30 isn't such a bad idea. I use a regular old Eclipse Tank bag with the classic three-point, quick-disconnect mounting harness. I used some small loops of 1/2" cotton tape tied around the frame members under the triple-clamp covers to hold the ends of the harness outboard to give a straight pull on the fasteners when the bag is attached. When I'm not using the bag, I hide the front fasteners under the covers, and the cloth loops keep them from disappearing. At the back, I usually leave the fastener exposed, because I'm too lazy to remove the seat to tuck it out of sight. The bag works fine, but it is a bit wide for the bars. Consequently, I get the old horn honk in tight turns to the left and a starter spin if I use the clutch during tight turns to the right (since I usually don't use the clutch in such situations, this on only rarely a problem). It surely is nice to have the extra room when I'm packing for an extended run. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 19:39:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Wobble & Tire Presure Thanks for all the great info! Man, this is a great group. I checked my presure and sure enough the front was 5 pounds low and the rear was 11 pounds low! Since I just got the bike new from a dealer I assumed that they would have it set up right. I was wrong. I will add air and give it a try (its too cold now, 40 degrees). I put my presure gauge in the trunk so I can keep an eye on it. Next I will get a 3 point tank bag (thanks for the help). I am 5' 11" and the wind blast hits me right at the top of my visor. I am thinking about going with the 4+ Rifle screen. I don't mind looking through the screen. Does anyone out there have the 4+ screen? If you do please tell me how tall you are and if you do look through the screen. If you do is it a distorted view? Someone posted that they have a tank bag that they converted by adding a stero to it. Could that person let me know how they did it? I have been looking around and I got the Overton's boating catalog. They have a couple of nice units that have wired remotes. My 95 has the speaker knock outs, but my dash must be different than the years when Honda made a system for it. I don't see how a radio would fit in it. Any ideas? Chris 95 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'KlassC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Wobble & Tire Presure Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 17:26:54 -0800 I'm 5'10" with a +4 Rifle. I would expect you will be looking through the shield most of the time -- probably 2-3 inches from the top depending on how far ahead you're looking. IMHO here is no detectable distortion. However there is a reflection of your keyring in bright light. I had a pink one at first and the shield expands the image of it to fill most of the windshield. Strange optical effect if you ask me.=20 I removed the keychain and now it's almost undetectable. I've considered making a black fabric cover to velcro over it but nowadays I rarely find myslelf noticing. =20 Heck it's never sunny here in Seattle anyway, right? \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 1996 4:39 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Wobble & Tire Presure > > >I am 5' 11" and the wind blast hits me right at the top of my visor. I >am >thinking about going with the 4+ Rifle screen. I don't mind looking >through >the screen. Does anyone out there have the 4+ screen? If you do >please tell >me how tall you are and if you do look through the screen. If you do >is it a >distorted view? > >Someone posted that they have a tank bag that they converted by adding >a >stero to it. Could that person let me know how they did it? I have >been >looking around and I got the Overton's boating catalog. They have a >couple >of nice units that have wired remotes. My 95 has the speaker knock >outs, but >my dash must be different than the years when Honda made a system for >it. I >don't see how a radio would fit in it. Any ideas? > >Chris >95 PC800 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Mar 96 20:37:33 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Tank Bag >>>>> "K" == KlassC wrote: K> Does anyone out their have an idea of how to mount a tank bag? If so, K> which one? To which Jason replied: >Any three-strap bag will do. The lower strap must loop under the catch for >the seat, the upper strap goes around the steering head. If you take off >the seat and the covers under the handlebars it becomes immediately >obviously how you must do it. Just be careful not to interfere with the >cables and such around the steering head. A variation on this avoids the "trouble" of going around the steering head and possibly interfering with the cables. Simply cut the strap which would go around the head, punch a couple of holes in the ends, and attach them directly to the two screws which secure the fake gas tank/air filter cover. Thanks to Dana Sawyer for this tip, which worked well for me, too. Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Mar 96 20:37:40 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC's demise? Hey, Joe. You wrote: VALKRI..... I just wanna know after seeing it at Cleveland........how'd they come up with the name? I don't know what kind of sound a bunch of Valkyrie warriors would have made as they rode by, but a 1500 cc engine blowing into 6 staggered pipes probably comes pretty close. Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Mar 96 20:37:48 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: P.C. Highway or 101 (ugh! ) Hi, Ron. You wrote: >My apologies. I read the mail at about 1:00 am and I missed the *k* in >110kph and read it as *mph*. No problem! I figured since Willem is European, (or, I guess I should say non-American, since just about the whole planet except the U.S. has given up on the Imperial system) I would use metric-speak. As a Canadian living in the US, I like to take every opportunity to keep-up my metric. >A really great ride is P.C. Highway north of S.F. You go along some >beautiful shoreline and past Ft. Ross (a restored Russian fort). When P.C. >Hwy ends and connects to 101 North, you get into Humbolt County and the >magnificent giant Sequoias. Have you ever gone this way? I've ridden the northern portion only once, and then only to Mendocino. I missed the Sequoias, and blithely blew past Ft. Ross, not knowing its interesting history (when did the Russians make it to Northern California?). I certainly want to get up there again - maybe this summer. >I don't know much about southern CA, but you sure have a lot of back roads >which must be beautiful this time of year. Yeah, we do, and they are. PCH down here has some nice scenic stretches, but by-and-large is pretty urbanized and straight/flat. Our best roads are the canyon and mountain roads, such as the Angeles Crest Highway and Ortega Highway. Of course, you have to endure miles of mind-numbing, dangerous slab to get there. What is it that someone once said about war? Something like "long stretches of boredom broken-up by moments of sheer terror." LA freeways are like that. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:48:51 -1000 To: rnielsen@isd.net From: reap@pixi.com (Ron Pacholec) Subject: Fair price for an 89 with high mileage Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ray, I hope this note helps you. It represents my own personal opinion on the matter as if I were buying the bike. >The "value books" available at dealers show prices that in my mind are too >high at about $2400 wholesale and over $3000 retail. Maybe for a lower >mileage example, but I would guess that mine should sell for less. My first comment on considering the price of a used PC is that most of the used PC's I have seen for sale (at least 10) have been with very low miles. This applies primarily, though not exclusively, to bikes offered for sale in Hawaii. I bought my '89 PC in Honolulu about 1 year ago and paid $ 4100. It had 10K miles on it and was in great shape. There were some scrapes on the protectors and the mirrors on both sides. So the bike was obviously dropped. However these damages are purely cosmetic and minor. I have since put new tires on and had to replace the alternator. There was no way to suspect that the alternator would go. However this seems to happen only on older bikes with low miles. Everything in Hawaii is low miles 'cause we just keep going around in one small circle. So I don't have a good estimate on the expected lifetime of the bike before major repairs. This is to me the critical factor in determining the value of a used bike in visually excellent condition. The way that I would look at the pricing is to estimate the remaining useful life of the bike **before any major repairs are needed**. Some of the other riders can give you a better estimate of the lifetime, but let's say for example it's 100k miles. (It's probably higher.) So, an 80k bike has in this example 20% remaining mechanical lifetime. Judging from my bike bought last year for $4100 with an estimated 90% remaining lifetime, an '89 with 20% remaining lifetime is worth about ($4100/.90) X .20 = $911. This is much less than you are considering. Of course, if the expected lifetime is say 150k miles before major repairs, then (based on mine costing $4100 with 96% life remaining) the bike with ((150-80)/150)% , or 47% life remaining is worth ($4100/.94) X .47 = $2040. So it pretty much depends on how long you expect it to last. I'm sure there are some other guys who can give you a pretty good estimate on this. Using this method and assuming 100k mile lifetime, based on my bike costing $4100, Jeff Burack's bike ('89 with 2kmiles) should cost about $4650. <"Well, last year I paid about $4700 for my '89, with 2K miles, essentially stock and, except with the tall shield."> His is probably in perfect condition. There are two other factors I would take into account when considering whether to buy the 80k mile PC. (1) upgraded equipment you put on, but again, these might by pretty worn. (2) my next best alternative - what else could I buy for the considered price of $1800? At the Honda dealer here I could buy a clean 1100 Shaddow (I think '88) with 23k miles for about $2500. This isn't a PC of course and it costs more, but I know I wouldn't have any serious problems with it and I could resell it after about a year and get most of my money back. Checking for sale adds in the newspaper would answer this question. Since I'm not particularly mechanical, though I can be when necessary, I would want a higher discount on something that I expected would need some mechanical attention. IMHO, I would probably want to pay less than $1800 for the bike. But again, this is a very personal decision. Hope this helps. Aloha, Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:19:23 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Front Wheel Shudder Tom McBride asked on 3/11/96 for anyone else's input on front wheel shudder (wobble): Yeah, my '94 does the same thing. I let go at about 45mph just to see how well balanced it was (Remember doing that as a kid with your bike?) and it started wobbling very badly. Enough that I'm not going to try that again? I can't remember if my original tire did it 'cause I don't think I ever tried. I'm going to check the air pressure (even tho I think it's ok) and if it continues, I'll take it back to where it was put on and check with them. My Kawi didn't wobble. I should ask my son (Shadow 600VLX) and see if he has a problem. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 23:19:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Extra Key Safety tip to the general PC world: Take off the left air duct/maintenance lid and wire a spare key to something inside. Then you'll never be stuck in the middle of nowhere with no key (I have an inordinate fear of that happening!) Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:01:21 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Newbie Tales Hello All, I took delivery of my '94 on Monday and have already gone through about two tanks of gas, which saying alot since I live in Chicago. I have an observation and (naturally) a few questions. Observation 1: If you are going to use a Kryptonite/U-shaped type lock to secure your bike, and the lock is too small to fit AROUND the tire, your only option is to put the lock through the "spokes". If this is what you do, tie a 5' string around the lock and to the other end attach a sign to place on your dashboard reminding you about the lock. I locked mine up as described above, sans aformentioned sign, and upon returning to the bike, attempted to take off. Needless to say, my front wheel fender took the blow and broke a piece off. I only got about 1' from where I started but..... live and learn. Question 1: What other locking schemes do you all use? Question 2: As anyone installed a voltage meter/ oil pressure gauge in place where the speakers go? How about a clock? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 18:45:54 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: Front Wheel Shudder On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Bryce Ulrich wrote: > This has come up on the alias before but to my recollection there's no > obvious solution. As mentioned before on the list, this also has to do with the length of the bike. The furter the wheels are apart, the more you get shudders. It's just that we have rather long bikes, as is the goldwing. Sports bikes are shorter, so don't have this problem is much as touring bikes. Take Care! Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 08:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: GuntherSki@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie Tales Gunther, A friend of mine, Bill Andrews, did exactly as you've described on his '89, andy they look great! Bill installed a voltmeter on one side and a clock on the other. He purchased them both from J.C. Whitney. Bill is an HSTA membera and a MSF instructor, but he is not a list subscriber. If you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to act as intermediary, or I'll forward you his snail mail address by private E-mail. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:05:20 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: KlassC@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wobble & Tire Presure On Tue, 12 Mar 1996 KlassC@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for all the great info! Man, this is a great group. I checked my > presure and sure enough the front was 5 pounds low and the rear was 11 pounds > low! Since I just got the bike new from a dealer I assumed that they would > have it set up right. I was wrong. Uh yeah. When I bought my '89 in '91 (it sat on a showroom floor for almost two years) I made the same assumption. The salesjerk said "It's all ready to go, we checked everything out for you." As a matter of fact, I have since found out that Honda has an "out-the-door checklist" shops are supposed to use. It felt _very_ strange, so when I got home with it, I checked air; it had 18 lbs in the front, 21 in the rear. I'm just glad I didn't try to have fun on the way home! In addition to this, they had evidently tried to top off the battery, and there was battery acid all over under the plastic. Nice. If you want something done right... Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Timmacy@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Extra Key Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:15:04 -0800 I duct taped one to the backside of one of the black plastic access panels along the side -- the one that covers the oil dipstick. Also put a note there saying who the owner of the bike is and to call me and the police if the reader suspects the bike is stolen. -bryceu >---------- >From: Timmacy@aol.com[SMTP:Timmacy@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 1996 8:19 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: Extra Key > >Safety tip to the general PC world: > >Take off the left air duct/maintenance lid and wire a spare key to >something >inside. Then you'll never be stuck in the middle of nowhere with no >key (I >have an inordinate fear of that happening!) > >Tim >Portland, OR >timmacy@aol.com >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Newbie Tales Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:25:34 -0800 Sorry to hear about your mishap. Only takes once and you never forget.=20 Take my gas cap, for example, that got left behind 1/2 a state away. I now never take it off the bike and instead push it to the side of the nozzle when filling up. Same goes for the key when opening the trunk.=20 I never close,lock and remove the key from the gas cover without closing the trunk first. I don't even wanna talk about where I was when I locked myself out of my bike. See my other message about hiding a spare key. =20 > <> I've use the u-lock on the REAR wheel. Figured it would do less damage >in the rear if I ever forgot. The "reminder-leash" is a must. > ><gauge in place where the speakers go? How about a clock?>> The speaker area is an easy place to add things. Pops off with two screws. I've added a metal bracket for a CB radio, 12-volt socket (cig style) and will probably be adding a clock soon. I hope to find an ST1100 clock somewhere and put it on. It's the only thing I've seen that's well lit, waterproof, and looks like a good fit. >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 =20 >---------------------------------------------------------- =00 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: forgetting to remove locks Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:30:15 -0800 From: Andrew Beals The current hot advice is to hit a Pilot's Shop [any reasonably large gen aviation airport should have one] or the gift shop at the National Air and Space Museum [where I got mine because it was *cool*] and buy a REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT flag. They're red, about two feet long and have a clip on the end. andy -- Andy Beals, (408) 526-8838 MS: SJ-F2 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:51:30 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Rotten tires? on my 1995 PC800 I was out washing my 1995 PC and saw that the K555 tires had what look like cracks along the side. The rear is much worse than the front. I don't feel safe all of a sudden. Should I be worried? Should this happen on a 95 with only 6800 miles? I really love the idea of installing accesories into the speaker knock outs. To coool. I ahve a J.C. Whitney catalog coming in the mail. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:42:20 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Newbie Tales >>Question 1: What other locking schemes do you all use?<< I have a terrible memory for this kind of thing, so I keep a piece of black tape on the honda badge between the handlebars and put it over the ignition switch when I lock the bike. When I try to insert my key, I have to remember! <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 12:41:03 PST From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My new bike! Hi all, Yippee, yippee, yippee, yahoo! In case you were wondering, I just bought a PC800. And I'm only a little bit excited (like you can't tell). Went to a local Honda/Kawasaki dealer to put together a deal for two bikes (my boyfriend wanted a Kawi Concours) and we were both successful. Tomorrow I take delivery of my new 1995 PC800 which I got for $6900. Thought it was a decent price being as the new ones are $8500. Hopefully this weekend Ramin (fellow PC800 list subscriber and boyfriend) will get his Concours but it had to be ordered from San Diego so we'll see. Thanks to those of you who have sent private postings helping me on my quest for the PC, especially Tim in Portland. I appreciate the help so much. This is truly a special group. Looking forward to accessory shopping. Oh sure, just like a woman to want to head out shopping ;^) . Take care, Erin Dolin Mountain View, CA Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@HPC.UH.EDU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 17:18:19 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales Bryce writes: >>>Sorry to hear about your mishap. Only takes once and you never forget. Take my gas cap, for example, that got left behind 1/2 a state away. I now never take it off the bike and instead push it to the side of the nozzle when filling up. Same goes for the key when opening the trunk. I never close,lock and remove the key from the gas cover without closing the trunk first. I don't even wanna talk about where I was when I locked myself out of my bike. See my other message about hiding a spare key.<<< ------------------------------------------------------ When my bike was still only a few days old (two years ago), I took it by a friend's office at lunchtime to show it to him. He didn't know I was getting it and I thought it would be fun to surprise him, especially because he's an architect with a keen appreciation of good, modern design. This was August, and it was hot, but (safety first!) I wore my leather jacket anyway. Upon arriving, however, I was eager to get out of the jacket. I threw it in the trunk and closed the lid. Now to go get my friend. I patted my pocket to make sure I had the keys...the other pockets, my shirt pocket, the first pocket again... My jacket: that's where they were. I took a taxi to my apartment, asking the driver to wait while I went up for my extra key...wait a minute. If I don't have my bike keys, I don't have my bloody house keys either!! Back in the taxi, to my girlfriend's (thank goodness she was there!) for a spare set of apartment keys, back to my place, back to my bike. Now I don't close the lid of my trunk without having my hand on my keys. At least my friend's reaction to my bike was gratifyingly enthusiastic! <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 15:32:26 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: JeffHO@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 JeffHO@aol.com wrote about locking his keys in the trunk of his PC. On one occasion in the past, I had a need to "break in" to my PC and found that it is remarkably easy to open the little plastic (read: flexible) "locking flap thingie" which covers the fuel cap and trunk release. If I remember correctly, all it took was a pair of needle nose pliers with a right angle bend in the nose. All one need do is slip off a retainer which holds the lock in place and then slide the catch over a bit to release the lid. As a result of this experience, I NEVER think of the trunk of my PC as a safe place to store anything :) Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: ERIC YORK Cc: JeffHO@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales I did the same thing, Eric. All I had to do was slip a screwdriver blade down under the edge of the cover, and then under the release latch. A slight push down on the screwdriver handle - and up comes the trunk. I took it reeel easy at first until I saw how much I could bend the cover without damage. However, hiding a spare key somewhere is the better solution, as that screwdriver won't work in the ignition if you've lost the key other than in the trunk. I also write this to concur with you and to caution others that this makes the PC trunk a less than secure place. On Wed, 13 Mar 1996, ERIC YORK wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 JeffHO@aol.com wrote about locking his keys in the > trunk of his PC. > > On one occasion in the past, I had a need to "break in" to my PC and found > that it is remarkably easy to open the little plastic (read: flexible) > "locking flap thingie" which covers the fuel cap and trunk release. > If I remember correctly, all it took was a pair of needle nose pliers > with a right angle bend in the nose. All one need do is slip off a retainer > which holds the lock in place and then slide the catch over a bit to release > the lid. As a result of this experience, I NEVER think of the trunk of my > PC as a safe place to store anything :) > > Eric > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'JeffHO@aol.com'" Subject: RE: RE: Newbie Tales Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 18:09:57 -0800 Public Service Announcement: How to break into the PC800 Trunk ---------------- The trunk release is nothing more than a cable stretched from the lever by the gas filler to the rear trunk. The cable runs along the left hand side of the bike. If you pull the front left portion of the stock saddle back you'll expose the cable. Small fingers is all it takes to pull the cable and release the trunk. This I learned AFTER I locked my keys in the trunk (yes the were in the jacket that was in the trunk). And FYI for all -- the Corbin saddle uses a very rigid plate mount that can't be bent back to expose the cable. >-bryceu > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 14 Mar 96 03:01:30 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: Erin Dolin Cc: PC800 owners Subject: PC 880: New bike Erin Congratulations on your new bike. It is always something special to buy a new bike. As you are having a lot of rain you might want to ad the Hondaline mud flap. It really helps keeping the bike and the radiator clean. Took notice of your phone number at the office. We will talk soon Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==> 1994: 1989 PC 800 ==> 1995: 1995 PC 800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 04:51:41 -0500 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Wobble & Tire Presure In a message dated 96-03-12 19:40:07 EST, KlassC@aol.com writes: >I am 5' 11" and the wind blast hits me right at the top of my visor. I am >thinking about going with the 4+ Rifle screen. I don't mind looking through >the screen. Does anyone out there have the 4+ screen? If you do please tell >me how tall you are and if you do look through the screen. If you do is it a >distorted view? I have the +4 screen that I got last fall for my wife's PC. She can only look through it. I (5'11") generally look through it, but can just see over the top in the rain. We will be getting a +2 for summer use (the top of the shield can be replaced in a couple of minutes on the Rifle design and is relatively cheap --- about $70). 14 Mar 96 11:34:49 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:34:15 GMT+1 Subject: trunk lock Priority: normal I thougt I could safely put my helmet into the trunk but now I know better... Tonight I am going to take my PC800 apart to figger out a better way to lock it. Does anyone have a suggestion ?? Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** 14 Mar 96 11:50:42 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:50:25 GMT+1 Subject: trunk lock Priority: normal I thougt I could safely put my helmet into the trunk but now I know better... Tonight I am going to take my PC800 apart to figger out a better way to lock it. Does anyone have a suggestion ?? Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:11:26 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: Rotten tires? on my 1995 PC800 On Wed, 13 Mar 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > I was out washing my 1995 PC and saw that the K555 tires had what look > like cracks along the side. The rear is much worse than the front. I > don't feel safe all of a sudden. Should I be worried? Should this happen > on a 95 with only 6800 miles? Hmm, seems your tires had to much sun and have dried out. Cracks in tires are often because of to much sun or you've some old tires that haven't been used to much (low milage) It can be dangerous, espessialy when they are deep, the tires can burst when they get hot! If the bike is parked in the sun it's just not funny, when riding ..... I won't even think what will happen! Good luck! Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:33:14 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: trunk lock On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Mullemeister, R.H. 587/1E10/8-1 wrote: > I thougt I could safely put my helmet into the trunk but now I know > better... > Tonight I am going to take my PC800 apart to figger out a > better way to lock it. Does anyone have a suggestion ?? Hmm, I think adding an extra lock at the back of the bike like a car's trunk has might be a good option. Only trouble is it still is 'just' plastic. When someone really wants to get in the trunk, they allways will be able to bash it and get what is inside :( --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:45:09 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Shield Thanks for the info. I ordered the 4+ from Rifle today. They said that if I needed to I could exchange it for the 2+. But I don't think I will. I notice the wind on my back now, so I assume it won't be too different. I was not thinking of getting the Corbin seat. Though I think they are superior products I am concerned about increasing the bend in my legs. I am 5'11" and right now the pegs are in a nice position. If I go with a Corbin won't it shorten the distance? Is the comfort that much better? I will probably need to sit on someone elses to make the decision. Have you noticed any difference? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 15:52:25 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Sheild Color Any ideas on the pros and cons of tinting? I ordered my Rifle in clear. I figured that I can always wear sunglass. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'KlassC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Re: RE: Shield Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:01:23 -0800 Tough call on predicting the fit of a Corbin. It seems logical that if you lower the seat one legs will have to bend some more. However, because of the lower position you don't lean over the bars as much (if at all) which may or may not leave your legs and hips bent to the same degree. Comfort? Sure keeps you from sliding around in the saddle thanks to the adjustable lumbar support (slides forward and back, not up and down). Seat is much firmer and will scare you at first. However once you ride around you appreciate the extra firmness and magically the old pressure points that caused a sore bum are gone. Must be putting the support in all the right places and leaving the rest in comfort. -bryceu >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 1996 12:45 PM >To: Bryce Ulrich; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: RE: Shield > >Thanks for the info. I ordered the 4+ from Rifle today. They said >that if I >needed to I could exchange it for the 2+. But I don't think I will. I >notice the wind on my back now, so I assume it won't be too different. >I was >not thinking of getting the Corbin seat. Though I think they are >superior >products I am concerned about increasing the bend in my legs. I am >5'11" and >right now the pegs are in a nice position. If I go with a Corbin won't >it >shorten the distance? Is the comfort that much better? I will >probably need >to sit on someone elses to make the decision. Have you noticed any >difference? > >Chris >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 17:04:07 -0800 From: jlai@filenet.com (Johan Lai) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ride this Sat 3/16 (So. Cal) Cc: osg!eseim@uunet.uu.net Ok, y'all. So we got dumped on this week in the rain, or at least I did. Half way home and mother nature decided we need cats and dogs for 10 minutes. I squished all the way home. That's Cal weather for you, sun and rain in the same day and the only place you can surf and ski too within 24 hrs. Anyway, we'll gather at Greeters in Laguna Beach as Steve had suggested. It's on PCH just south of the 133 (where it T's with PCH) on the beach side. Meet at 9:00 for breakfast and we'll head off at 10:00. Weather man says we won't get rain this weekend so let's keep our fingers and toes crossed :) I think the ferry's $1.50 but I forget. Just have some change handy. And remember the cameras this time! My co-worker and her husband will be joining us on their Connie. Eh..it's close enough to a PC..plastic wise :) Steve, did you get a Chatterbox yet? If not, put a patch of velco on your helmet and you can use my other cheapy Maxon. See Saturday morning! Johan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:31:19 -0500 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rotten tires? on my 1995 PC800 >It might be interesting to look at the DOT date number on the sidewall. >The last three digits decode as wwy where ww is the week (1-52) and y is >the last digit of the year. O.K. here's the scoop. DOT code is NA 2433 on front, NA2214 on rear. Also the cracks are almost 99% on the left (kickstand Side). The right side of both tires is almost completely normal. Very strange. Anyone have a clue about this? Thanks for the help. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:30:11 -0500 Apparently-To: bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl Apparently-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Hmm, seems your tires had to much sun and have dried out. Cracks in tires >are often because of to much sun or you've some old tires that haven't >been used to much (low milage) It can be dangerous, espessialy when they >are deep, the tires can burst when they get hot! If the bike is parked in >the sun it's just not funny, when riding ..... How can they be dried out this fast? It has 7000 miles on it, hardly low milage for a 1995 bike. Should I go to the Honda dealer or the tire maker? Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:30:13 -0500 To: bryceu@microsoft.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: RE: Newbie Tales >And FYI for all -- the Corbin saddle >uses a very rigid plate mount that can't be bent back to expose the >cable. Good then adding a Corbin should lower our insurance ;-) Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:31:25 -0500 To: Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My new bike! >Looking forward to accessory shopping. Oh sure, just like a woman >to want to head out shopping ;^) . Hey I love accessory shopping! And the best part is, I never go to "the Mall" to do it. Congrats! Lets find out who one the new baby pool. I picked It would be Black, 577lbs (clean diper weight) and 61.2 in long, 30.1 in. high Formula capacity should be about: 4.2 gal. Well I guess I won the pool. Lucky me. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:30:15 -0500 To: eryork@nmsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales Well I wouldn't leave $10,000.00 in it but I don't leave that in my car and it has an alarm. Mostly in life if someone wants what you have they will get it. So relax and enjoy. All my neighbors have monitored alarms and will pay and pay and pay. Me I have 2 GOOD dogs and several home defense "systems" these "systems" are portable and I can use them while I am on my motorcycle. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:36:07 -0500 To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rotten tires? on my 1995 PC800 >RICH FISHER-- > >Your tires should have a manufacturing code moulded into the sidewalls- >usually near the bead. Jot it down and call your favorite non-dealer shop. > One of the digits is the year (ie 9_5_) and another is the month. This >will help determint their age, at least. > >Did you store your bike next to that rag-tag old 'fridge in the garage?? > Electric motors emit ozone (so do thunderstorms)... which eats the good >stuff in rubber. Maybe your rear tire was nearer to some sort of motor??? > >Lastly, any tire that has dry-rot cracks is less than optimally sticky. How >hard do you push your whizzer? > >--Mark Finney >HSTA #4446 >V4Finney@aol.com >'86 & '90 VFRs Well the only thing I can think of is that the previous owners changed the rubber? Why would anyone do that on a 95? Both front and rear are affected by the cracking. The front looks worse. I don't ride hard. The other owners? Don't know. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** 15 Mar 1996 10:34:07 -0600 (CST) 15 Mar 1996 09:31:50 -0700 15 Mar 1996 09:29:41 -0700 15 Mar 1996 09:28:34 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:28:33 -0700 (MST) From: Eric Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu On Thu, 14 Mar 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > Well I wouldn't leave $10,000.00 in it but I don't leave that in my car > and it has an alarm. > Mostly in life if someone wants what you have they will get it. So relax > and enjoy. > All my neighbors have monitored alarms and will pay and pay and pay. Me I > have 2 GOOD dogs and several home defense "systems" these "systems" are > portable and I can use them while I am on my motorcycle. > Agreed. I prefer "portable defense systems" myself. One thing also in our favor is the fact that few commoners (read: "non-PC owners") are familiar with exactly how the trunk works. I seldom worry about its contents around town ( I live in a less than sophisticated area ;) but I do try to be careful on trips. Eric "Real men don't wear .sigs" by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 15 Mar 1996 09:49:17 -0600 (CST) 15 Mar 1996 07:47:56 -0800 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 07:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" Subject: Clock & guage installation To: PC800 I've had several inquiries re Bill Andrews clock and voltmeter installations in the PC's speaker areas. I've answered three via private E-mail and have two hanging, so I thought I'd answer those two and summarize out to the list. Bill has given me the ok to put out his tel. #. It is: 619-562-2678. The guages that Bill used are J.C. Whitney 2" guages. I have a General Whitney catalog in front of me now. The # to call for a Whitney catalog is: 312-431-6102. There is no 800 #. I have two cards in this catalog to "give to a friend" to send in for a catalog, so if two of you want one, post your address and I'll fill in and send it for you. The card also asks for "Make of Vehicle", "Model", and "Year". I'll check the boxes for both the "General Big Catalog" and "Motorcycle" version. The guages come in both analog backlighted and L.E.D. digital, and the prices range from $3.99 to $44.95 (the digital clock is 44.95) prices guaranteed through May 31). Bill used an analog for his voltmeter and a digital for the clock. There is no analog clock, but all the rest - oil press, oil temp, volt, water, are available both ways. Bill said that installation was not difficult, but it was time consuming due to the plasic and stuff that must be removed to get at the dash and the wiring. Some time back he also told me where he tapped into the bike's wiring, but you'd better call him direct for those details. It's a week-end job, not an evening, unless its a long evening and you've been into the area before. Of course, as many of you know, the second and third times you take that stuff off is much faster than the first time. Bill also said that the dash panels where the guages are installed do not require any reinforcement. First come, first served on the catalog cards and I'll post who got them. Richard Hardy, San Diego 15 Mar 1996 09:21:54 -0600 (CST) by alley.fel.tno.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA14207 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:14:33 +0100 by s00sn1.fel.tno.nl (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07696 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:15:21 +0100 (MET) 15 Mar 1996 16:16:35 +0000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:16:26 +0000 From: "Mullemeister, R.H." Subject: trunk lock To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: normal Well, yesterday I took the back of my PC appart and tried to figger out a way to improve locking system of the trunk. Actually it is quit simple. Since the covers are all plastic I only looked for ways to slow-down a potential thief. First: you should tape the cable that goes to the lever with a strong type of adhesive tape to the frame. We call it container-tape out here. It is the kind of tape that you sometimes see at popconcerts where they use it to tape cables to the ground. The amount of space that one has under the saddle to reach for the cable makes it hard to remove the tape, so I figger it takes a lot of time. Second: an aluminium plate should be glued to the lit over the gas filler. The plate can be bent in such a way that even if you lift the side of the lit you cannot reach the lever with a screwdriver or so. I hope this is clear to you.... When I am finished doing it this way I'll take a couple of pictures and upload them to the webpage. What do you all think about it ? :-) Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 15 Mar 1996 07:00:45 -0600 (CST) (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id IAA23812; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:00:35 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:00:35 -0500 From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Aged Tires To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu The aging on one side could be due to something like: 1. Always parked in same location with same side of tires toward a hot sun source. 2. Always parked in same location with a severe source of ozone from some piece of equipment on that side of the bike. ???????????????????????????????? --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 15 Mar 1996 07:00:48 -0600 (CST) (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id IAA23817; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:00:39 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:00:39 -0500 From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Ride this Sat 3/16 (So. Cal) To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu At 05:04 PM 3/14/96 -0800, you wrote: > > >Anyway, we'll gather at Greeters in Laguna Beach as Steve had suggested. >It's on PCH just south of the 133 (where it T's with PCH) on the beach side. >Meet at 9:00 for breakfast and we'll head off at 10:00. Weather man says >we won't get rain this weekend so let's keep our fingers and toes crossed :) > Johan, Stop it man, you're making me feel sooooooooooo bad. I was hoping to get a ride in with temperatures in the low 50's on Saturday, but now the weathermen tell us it's only going up to the mid 30's so that's probably out of my schedule now. I knew I should have taken a couple of hours on Thursday to ride a little. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:14:58 -0600 (CST) 16 Mar 1996 15:13:28 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: RE: Newbie Tales To: "\"Richard A. Hardy\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve The nice thing about the PC's trunk is thsat when you go thru CANADA customs folks seem to not know it's there.......... less for you to have to unpack..... pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:40:56 -0600 (CST) 16 Mar 1996 14:39:33 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: PC800:Tank Bag/Windsheer/Key To: "INTERNET:KlassC@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Ref- tank bag my eclipse/expandable is a wonderfull... bag it has so many neat pockets....the only trick is working the front snap strap on an around the fork tube..this takes a little patience...I use the map holder to keep my liscenc an registration when zipping up to canada they can just look right down and see it....it also holds seversal pairs of sock/underewaer/shaving kit quite nicley...or a cb/cell phone/tapes/walkman//rainsuit/portable office.....laptop..... almost anything you wanna carry and be able to snap off the bike and take in somewhere with ya.... as for the wind buffettting the helmet I have the taller pc windshield and still duck, I am 6'3" but then the dash meltdown from it is a little annoying....other than that I crank up the radio and jam.... as a monunty in Calgary once said--- thats 100 KPH boy not MPH!!!!!! grin..... as for the spare key..not true you can buy blanks and have them cut.....some dealers want to knoew the key code thats on the ignition key cylinder but theat is to much trouble...I had 3 spares made....the guy cut em on the spot...I can't remeber where at the moment I think it was a dealer while I was on a rride somehwere down south... I am willing tobet someone here can send you a couple original Honda BLANKS if you ask real nice... joe b later its 50 degrees an sunny finnally ...I think I'll go ride.... pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:14:58 -0600 (CST) 16 Mar 1996 15:13:28 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:11:43 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: My new bike! To: "\"Erin Dolin\"" Cc: PC800 Listerve SHOPPING????? As one comedian said when a women says bye , she's going shopping....she really means BUY BUY!!............ (GRIN)......lol but in all SEROIUSNESS!! CONGRATS on yur new pruchase..... joe ohio by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 15 Mar 1996 20:06:19 -0600 (CST) by innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA09675 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:53:06 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:53:06 -0600 From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Honda Nighthawk 750 wanted To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Here's hoping someone can help me locate a left over Nighthawk 750. I don't care about year or color, but I don't want a California model if at all possible. I can get a new '96 for about $5k, but I would like to make a better deal on a previous year's model. If anyone knows of any, please mention the name of the dealer and include a phone number if possible. Thanks, Ray Nielsen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: _spain@edsug.com 16 Mar 1996 16:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:51:58 -0800 Subject: Great ride this Saturday! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I wanted to thank Johan for a great ride! Since he organized it, and can write much better than I :-), I'll let Johan do the trip report. The reason I'm posting this is that Johan made a wrong turn (yes it was the last turn) so we lost him just as we headed back up the 405 :-). Harrison pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 13:40:53 -0600 (CST) 16 Mar 1996 14:39:32 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> Subject: HSTA digest 105 To: PC800 Listerve === Forwarded Message=== Though you all might like to see this... I copied it over from the HSTA page..... we all know how we like maps...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:35:55 -0500 From: mleavens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike Leavens) To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Subject: Maps There is a good map collection for National Parks and Texas at: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/Map_collection.html It leads to a nice map of Great Smokey's and Deal's Gap at: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/National_parks/Great_Smoky _Mts._map.jpg Mike Leavens The Ohio State University University Technology Services 292-0228 ------------------------------ pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:02:24 -0600 (CST) 16 Mar 1996 03:01:08 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> Subject: Reply to TIm Macy To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Sorry to post this to the list server, but it's 3AM and I just deleted Tim Macy's address! Tim...you wrote: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Tank Bag... Hi, Dana! I put the Eclipse on yesterday. At 14", it must be longer than yours, 'cause I've got it set back as close to the seat as I can and the front edge is right where the top of the tank starts to slope downward towards the center covers. I would venture to guess that it is as about as big a bag as you can safely get on a PC! In fact, it's far enough forward that the lower handle cover IN FRONT of the buttons (horn and starter) hits the bag on each corner when cranked hard either way. I was very concerned about this, especially at low speeds. So I found a way to strap it on without drilling the holes yet. It's on nice and snug and doesn't seem to want to move. Yet the bag gives a little when I crank it to lock it or back it out of my garage, etc. Since it hits the lower handle cover first, it doesn't beep the horn or grind the starter. Thank goodness for that! So I got it all tightened up and decided to go for a little ride thru some twisty back roads near our house in order to test if it was going to be a problem (like I need an excuse to take a ride...) Not A Problem. It doesn't interfere with reading the gauges or turning or anything. I left it on when I rode to work today and it isn't a problem in traffic either. It does take a little getting used to in regard to getting into the trunk, tho. Reaching over the bag to pull the choke when starting is a little awkward, too. Nothing I can't get used to. Nan & I are slated to go on the Black Cats ride tomorrow, which is the 1st Official Ride of the season around here--out of Vancouver, WA. A fellow HSTAer, Don Peter, posted to me about it a while back. We're going to meet him and Nadine Berthold before the run for breakfast. Then, on Sunday, we're going to take a little run down to Newport, OR (on the coast) to check out a place right on the beach we've rented for next weekend. That's about a 250-mile round trip. That should be enough to tell me if this bag'll work. I think it will, tho. It feels good so far. And--if it does--it's gonna give mucho room! I figure when it's fully expanded it should hold about as much as one side of the trunk. 50% more room! What a luxury! When it passes all of my "tests", I'll pop holes in the straps and permanently mount it. Unfortunately, to use grommets you've gotta have a good grommet tool. Time to bug my friends with big tool chests. Oh, yeah, I'm also going to spring for the "driver's" backrest from Euphoria. Looks like a good setup; and it's only $129. My back--and neck--will be forever grateful. Do you know anyone who rides with one? NO... And--since I seemto be going crazy lately--I also ordered the cordura custom-fit trunk bags from Honda because the gym bags we use just don't cut it. Know anyone who's using 'em? SURE...ROGER PRINCE AND I HAVE BEEN USING THEM FOR YEARS...THEY WORK JUST GREAT! FILL THEM UP...DROP THEM IN THE TRUNK...RIDE OFF INTO THE SUNSET! Questions..questions! :-)) Thanks, Dana, for all of your help. It means a lot to me. OBTW, do you ever get out to the Left Coast HSTA events? NOT LATELY... I'd love to sitdown over a beer (preferably a dark lager...) with you sometime. First one's on me! MAKE MINE A ROOT BEER! Forever grateful, Tim Portland, OR t ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 21:58:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: PC&HSTA -- list hsta , PC800 Subject: J.C. Whitney catalogs The two cards have gone out for Tony Davis and Dave Lott. Richard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: HPC network outage Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 00:44:15 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III At 4:43AM Friday, March 15 a network bridge in the basement of the building where the HPC computers are kept went kaput. This caused a network outage lasting until about 7PM Saturday, March 16. During this time no network connections were possible both in and out of HPC computers. All services have been returned and all inbound and outbound mail excepting that which was sent "urgent" was queued and properly delivered when the network resumed functioning. Warnings of the inability to deliver mail were most likely sent but the mail was eventually delivered. There is no need to resend any mail except that which was sent "urgent". -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'HondaPacificCoastOwners'" Subject: Tankbag tip: Camera Holster Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 13:24:18 -0800 Lots of discussion about tankbags so thought I'd give y'all a tip. To keep your compact 35mm close at hand, get a small nylon case (mine is Sundog brand) with a nylon strap for carrying on the shoulder. Put the case on the outside of the tankbag at the front -- between the handlebars. Shorten the strap and wrap it around the outside of the tankbag to hold it in place. If the camera case has a velcro'd lid it's a cinch to pop open and retrieve the camera. No zippers, no hassle, easy access for those scenic overlooks. Bonus tip: Same will work for binoculars, Walkman or portable CD player. For this task I use a different carrier called the Tunebelt, a Neoprene rubber pouch designed for jogging. More support and cushion. Enjoy! \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Mar 96 15:14:25 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: PC800 Listerve Cc: BGSU ListProcessor Subject: Bike FOR SALE.... some spam i suppose............. 1995 KAWASAKI ZX-6e Firecracker Red HAS ONLY 500 miles on it....... ASKING $6K............ Please send inquieries to me....... A guy that works with me at cable bought it new last year, hasn't ridden, his girlfriend/and him need a new car instead of a bike...the bike must go! Fireman Joe HSTA Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:16:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Keeping it Clean My beautifull 95 has a wonder black color. But! The black color is to hard to keep clean. It shows dust so quickly. Does anyone have any ideas? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SethMiller@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 14:33:09 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 for Sale FOR SALE (San Francisco Bay Area) 1989 PC800, 25k miles, always garaged - excellent physical & mechanical condition Rifle windscreen, new (<1000 miles) tires F & R, new battery about 1 year ago. All service current including fork fluid/brake fluid change about 6 months ago. $3,600, more or less firm. If interested, please reply directly to me as I am not subscibed to the list. Thanks- - Seth (sethmiller@aol.com) BTW, I am selling because I just purchased a BMW1100RT. Very nice bike, but it has a hard act to follow reliability-wise since I have never experienced a single mechanical problem with the PC in my entire term of ownership. Tough record to beat... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:42:53 -0800 From: jlai@filenet.com (Johan Lai) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Trip report Puttin' around town: >From my point of view, my trip began when I left my house in the morning. It was all grey outside and I thought for sure we'd get rained on. But then again, that was how the last ride started and it turned out ok so we (Lillian and I) hopped on newly bathed Cassandra and off we went. Not only was it grey, it was also just a hair bit chilly to be comfortable. We knew it'd warm up later even if the clouds don't give way. Skipping on down the Newport freeway wasn't any different than my daily commute except for the rest of the box-jokey's were missing. When we turned off on SR 133 heading towards Laguna Beach, that's when the scenery along the road changed. No concrete buildings anymore but open, spaceous, rolling hills. It was all green from the rain last week. A far cry from the firey images a few years ago when the hills burned. As we took in the pretty scenery, all of a sudden we see a construction area we hadn't seen before. They were putting in a stretch of road right in the middle of the pretty hills. I was fairly disgusted but I thought to myself, the rich in this area is probably battling in city hall already. But if the road is already going up, they must have lost. Oh well, another wise decision from our all knowing leaders in office. Towards the end of SR 133, there were lots of pockets of life; a dog training ground, arts festival, place to buy firewood, and other shops. As we entered Laguna city limits, there was not as much activity as usual. Everyone probably thought the same thing we did, "it's so grey outside." We stopped at Greeters and that's when Harrison and his wife Nancy pulled up on their familiar white PC. Shortly after that, my coworker Ellen and her husband Morgan arrived on their Concours. After some introductions and gawking at each others' bikes, we went in for breakfast. It was brief, or it felt brief anyway. When Steve and Patty didn't show up after we were done eating, we knew Steve was probably dying in his bed. So we turned towards Steve to salute his illness (for about 5 micro seconds :) and we got ready to go. Heading up PCH we enjoyed the waves hitting the beaches of Laguna on our left but had to keep an eye on the cagers. Riding the coast is a little harder because there are more people around who can kill you; both beside you and coming at you. It was a short stretch to Balboa and we were in line for the ferry fairly quickly. Before we got to the ferry, we had to ride through a residential area. Since Harrison, Nancy and I have intercoms, we eavesdrop on some baby monitors and cordless telephone calls. It's amazing how people can go on and on talking about nothing. Anyway, I couldn't help but wonder, why would anyone pay so much for such a small piece of land, with so much traffic coming through during tourist season, in front of a ferry dock? The answer escapes me. On this day we were very lucky. There were only four cars in front of us when we got to the line. Every other time I had taken the ferry, I had to crawl along the sidwalk to get to the front. I'd usually get some "you dirtbag" kind of stares, but the ferry wants cycles on the side so they can still get four cars onboard. After we boarded, the cars rolled on and then we were on our way. The rocking and rolling of the ferry plays with your senses a bit. It must be how it feels when one's drunk. I can only guess since I'm alergic to alcohol. Once on the other side, the cars rolled off (onto dry land, that is) and we followed. Continuing on up Balboa Blvd, the road was again uncharacteristically open so we didn't have to joust for space. We rejoined PCH in no time and headed towards Huntington Beach, my old stumpin' gounds. I grew up in HB and riding the coast brought back memories of when I used to ride my bicycle up this same stretch of road. Much of the landscape has changed; buildings that were not there before, ones that were there changed colors. We were cruising at a nice leisurely pace of 45 mph and zipped passed HB w/o making a stop. We passed a wildlife preserve on our right and then we were in Seal Beach. By this time (about 11:00), the sun was peeking out and it offered a bit of encouragement that it wasn't going to be grey all day. We drove along a small length of road (I forget the name) that led us to the Seal Beach pier. We headed back to PCH for a little while and turned towards Naples and Belmont Shores. PCH at this point turns inland so we have to take smaller streets to keep the ocean in sight. These small towns were bustling with a bit more activity that is more like beach side towns are supposed to look. There was only one person flying his sailplane but he looked like he was having fun. Ocean Blvd brought us finally to our destination for lunch, Shoreline Village. We made the stop, visited the restrooms, and checked out the shops. The Chocolate factory was beckoning me but I resisted with my wife's help. I was quickly approaching lunchtime hungriness but we decided to go up the coast a little more to see Ports O Call in San Pedro. So we suited up again and headed west. We saw a black PC rider but he was making a turn away from us so he didn't see our two white PC's, rats. We went over two bridges, one was free, the other cost $.50 a bike. Both gave us spectacular views of the harbor area surrounding Long Beach and San Pedro. We arrived at Ports O Call at about 12:30, definitely lunch time. Parked the bikes and headed into the shops and restaurants. There was a store called The Purple Store and Ellen went ga ga in there (purple's her favorite color). The kite stores caught my attention and everyone visited stores of their respective interest. We had lunch next to a helicopter pad that took people on rides, two at a time. It was a tiny craft and it was interesting to see how fast it can take off and land on a platform not much bigger than its foot print. I ate _a lot_ for lunch and I was quite satisfied. We sat outside so Harrison may have gotten a little toasted out there, sorry dude. So we headed back out after lunch. As we were walking up to our bikes, a couple on their purple Gold Wing was about to leave also. We checked out their bike and they checked out ours, the usual cyclers' greeting. The Wing is just so massive next to our PC's. This image of a Cadillac and an Accord comes to mind. We had to stop for gas on our way back. I think this is where I began to loose my senses. Every turn that I made was wrong. We finally found a Shell station and as we were juicing up, Morgan and his Concours just sat and watched us. I can almost imagine him chuckling inside his helmet with his 7.5 gallon tank watching us fill our little 4 gallon jugs. The ride back inland wasn't all that exciting and we were on Santiago Canyon within 20 minutes or so. The canyon was so green, again from the previous week's rain. The twists were lazy and it was very eazy to ride. We made one stop in front of a huge mansion in the middle of nowhere. Five car garage, complete with flag pole and a stable. Why would someone put such a nice big house next to a highway we can't figure out. Us Californians I tell you are a weird bunch. A few stretches and we got back on our bikes and continued on down the canyon road. Santiago Canyon Road was a lot shorter than I remember. Back in El Toro, Morgan and Ellen headed south and Harrison and I turned north. That's where I made another wrong turn and got lost. There was a big sign that said DETOUR after all. It pointed to the right so I turned right. We managed to find our way back to the 5 freeway and headed on home. It was a wonderful local tour. Now I gotta pack and get ready to move to my new house. Until the next outting! with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:58:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 13:06:51 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Webster strikes again A March update to the web has finally taken place. Thanks to Wes and Juan, I have added 8 pictures. I have several more .jpg files from Juan to put up and some pictures to scan and post from the So. Cal. folks. Soon I hope to be able to get back to ignoring my work and devoting more time to my real job as PC800 webster. Thanks again for the contributions and for the visits. In just over two months, the PC800 website (main menu) has taken more than 4000 'hits'! Wow. If you are interested in how the odometer counts read on otherwise bag it... "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." If you enter the main page a go to the "Pictures" index look at some pictures and then return to the main page, that counts as two hits. If you come in through the main page and go to "Support Orgs." and jump to the ASTRA page and exit your browser, that only registers as one hit. If somehow, you connected directly to the "Modifications" page without going into the main menu that doesn't count as any hits. If you return to the main page from another page, you may not see the odometer change if your browser still has the original main page in cache. "Keep an eye to the future, and an ear to the past. After thinking it over, know that nothing much lasts." Neill Thompson '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: KlassC@aol.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keeping it Clean From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 18 Mar 1996 16:11:33 -0600 Lines: 13 >>>>> "K" == KlassC writes: K> It shows dust so quickly. Does anyone have any ideas? I have plenty of ideas every day. Most of them aren't very good, though. OH, you wanted ideas on keeping the dust off. I use one of those California duster things you get at Target or K-Mart or by responding to one of those late night TV ads. It takes about a minute to dust the bike nicely unless there's baked on or caked on dirt. It doesn't scratch the finish that I've been able to notice. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 12:53:42 PST From: "Erin Dolin" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Clutch lever Hi Everyone, So, I've been riding my new PC for about 3 days now and have realized I need to move the clutch lever closer to the handlebar for my short fingers (read in, short female fingers). It appears that the lever is not adjustable, so my question is does anyone have any suggestions on after market levers for the PC? Have any of the other lady riders experienced this same problem? Thanks for any info you might throw my way. Erin (Spring has sprung in Northern California and I don't want to be working) Dolin Mountain View, CA Erin.Dolin@forsythe.stanford.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800(PC800@HPC.UH.EDU) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:00:28 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Clutch lever At 12:53 PM 3/18/96 PST, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >So, I've been riding my new PC for about 3 days now and have >realized I need to move the clutch lever closer to the handlebar for >my short fingers (read in, short female fingers). Erin, you might want to investigate the possibility of retro-fitting a Suzuki adjustable lever (I think Suzuki has the largest number of bikes so equiped, so it gives you more to try) I am looking into doing the same for my wife's Maxim. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:06:59 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Webster strikes again At 01:06 PM 3/18/96 -0700, you wrote: >A March update to the web has finally taken place. Thanks to Wes >and Juan, I have added 8 pictures. Neill! You're back! I was about to out an APB on you. Either that or start a new game: "Where in the World (Wide Web) is Neill Sand.. er... Thompson" :- ) Glad to see you are ok and still subscribed. I don't remember where I left off on the picture issue, but I remember asking if I could just send the rest to you as attachments to a mail message rather than ftp to your aol site. Let me know. And hey, we all understand one has to take a "work break" (what we call it over here) even if it does intefere with the important (fun) stuff. Later! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:29:54 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Trip report At 11:42 AM 3/18/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Puttin' around town: Thanks for the trip report Johan. It sure helps the time go by. Hey! Only (one, three, carry the two...) yes! only one more month and MY PC will see the light of day! yesss! Ride safe. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:51:26 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Screen Insulation My Rifle should arrive this week. And since I have never done/seen this job before. Does anybody have any clues/advice on how not to screw this up? Chris (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:05:20 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 20:17:14 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: SethMiller@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 for Sale OH , just BITE me seth :>) What color RT did ya get????? I love the weird green one..then again, the blue is pretty...did ya get the RT-a (without the radio)? Consider me jealous....very.. do you have a single sister? :>) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:46:33 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: 94 PC for sale in Minnesota Just in case anyone is interested, Larson's Cycles in Cambridge, MN has a nice used 94 PC for sale. (Cambridge is about 55 miles N. of Minneapolis, MN.) I can recommend them as a fair dealer and can only describe the bike as I saw it tonight. It has 15,534 miles, and looks almost new; there is a small abrasion on the right rear crash bar cover and a small stone chip on the left front cover. Neither looks as though the bike has been down, rather they look like they might have been produced by rubbing against something. The rear tire is a Dunlop K-177, with maybe half its tread remaining, while the front is the original Dunlop K-555 and has maybe 1/16" of tread left. Larson's wants $4995 for the bike and if I read them right they don't usually sell for less than the price tag they put on. They are noted for offering low prices without dickering -- I just bought a new 96 Nighthawk 750 at just over $5100. They also gave a very good discount on some accessories such as a luggage rack/backrest, engine guards and a center stand. You can reach them at Larson's Cycles -- 110 S. Adams, Cambridge, MN. Sorry I don't know the ZIP, but their phone number is (612)689-2760. They're open until 9 PM on Mondays and Fridays and until 5 PM Tuesday through Thursday. I think their Saturday hours are 9 AM to 4 PM. I have no interest in this dealership, except that I've been treated very well over the last 12 years and three bikes that were bought there. Barney, his son's Mike, John and Mark work there as well as Barney's wife. It's truly a family business. I especially appreciate that they don't play games, in fact offering good discounts up front and their parts service is extremely fast and accurate. I can get almost any part within two working days if I call by about 10 AM. When parts seem too expensive for what they represent, an additional discount is offered without asking. I've even heard them agree that these parts are overpriced; they seem willing to make that price a little more palatable by the discount. All in all, very good folks, and they're active motorcyclists too, both street and enduro. I can recommend them wholeheartedly! While it probably won't help the price, tell them I referred you via this mailing list. They'll get a chuckle out of it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:07:57 -0500 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Screen Installation >>My Rifle should arrive this week. And since I have never done/seen this job before. Does anybody have any clues/advice on how not to screw this up? Chris << ------------------------------------------------------ The most important advice originates with Juan: don't over-tighten the screws. The windshield can crack if you do. I and some others on this list had to enlarge one or both of the notches on the outside of the Rifle base's curve to make it fit. I just cut it with a utility knife. Before you start tightening anything, make sure you have the fit (I ended up putting on and taking off the base twice before I got it right). Overall, it's not difficult. Good luck. <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:36:58 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Screen Insulation At 10:51 PM 3/18/96 -0500, you wrote: >My Rifle should arrive this week. And since I have never done/seen this job >before. Does anybody have any clues/advice on how not to screw this up? Chris, Two things that will prove quite helpful: The shop manual and lots of patience! The installation of the windshield is very straightforward, but removing and reassembling the PC plastic never has (or will). The manual will show you the correct sequence for disassembly (short cuts usually aren't in the PC's case) and patience will prevent you from breaking any of the (quite) delicate tabs that help all the panels mesh together (don't ask how I know). Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:43:47 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Spark plug info. Cc: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu Help! Could anyone out there in PC-land tell me what the brand and number of spark plugs are for the PC? I'd rather get the new ones on my way home instead of having to go home and then back to the dealer (which will be closed by then, most likely). Also, anyone know the cross-match number for Bosch Platinums? Thanks for all your help! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:19:15 -0500 Apparently-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu tall the Rifle screen (as you know). And I don't have a shop manual, nor the time to get one. Can anyone fax me the pages that show how to remove the neccesary body parts and related info? Chris 307-745-3238 voice 307-745-7219 fax (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:42:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:38:53 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Keeping it Clean KlassC@aol.com wrote: > > My beautifull 95 has a wonder black color. But! The black color is to hard > to keep clean. It shows dust so quickly. Does anyone have any ideas? Chris, Honda's very own "Honda Spray" supposedly has an anti-static component. Some folks have said nice things about Lemon Pledge. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:43:22 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:36:38 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Cc: "cameron@scn.org" , Jeff Burka , rebecca burka , david burka <72030.1532@compuserve.com>, Keith Riedl , glenn sound , jfowler@mv.us.adobe.com, "relaena@teleport.com" , Rick Gross Subject: Spring Break! (Sorta) So, there I was, sitting in my office last Thursday, when I realized that I was going stark raving out of my mind. I was not the only one who noticed this -- two of the secretaries complained to me about my being grumpy. Being a practical kind of guy, I decided that absence would in fact make the heart grow fonder. I blasted off an e-mail message to the partners, and told them that unless any of them had any objections, I'd be back Wednesday. Hearing no objections, I bailed. The Original Plan (yes, all of my plans are capitalized): Leave Saturday a.m., head south, do a night in Reno or SF, come back. As any good soldier knows, the moment you try to implement the plan, it all goes to bat guano. So it did with me. A friend from SF showed up for the weekend, do I played tour guide part of Saturday. The Revised Plan: didn't have one. Checked with entertainment central (That's my brother Dave) who said knowingly, "looks like rain. Let's take the dog to the mountains instead." I doubled checked the weather reports, & figured I'd have at least Sunday and Monday to ride. The Escape: In my great haste to get out of town, I violated Rule one of touring. I stayed on the "death slab." Yes, I-5 South to I-205 South to I-84 East. Fast, dry, and got me out of the state before lunchtime. The Columbia River Gorge is one of the great roads on this side of the country. You can go along the Interstate on the Oregon side, if you're a speed tourer, or do the twisties along SR 14 on the Washington side if you're not in a hurry. Anyway, I got down and over, and as I was headed East, I realized that I was in danger of winding up in Idaho. Been there, didn't like it. Looking at the map (Yes, I tool a map) I found my salvation. Turn right at The Dalles, and take US 197 South. This little bit o' road goes through the central Oregon hills. Two lane, good surface 90% of the time and almost no traffic to get in the way. You go through the Tygh Valley, a stretch of switchbacks and small towns that's just perfect for waking you up after the high(er) speed run south. It links up with US 97, and keeps going into Bend, Ore. Not really wanting to stay in Oregon, I looked at the map again to see if going to Nevada was feasible. Forgetting everything the Army taught me about scale, I thought, "yeah. I can get to Nevada." Gassed the bike up (Oregon gas station attendants are smart enough to know not to try to fill up a motorcycle without permission. For those of you unfamiliar with the state, there ain't no self serve there.) And headed East on US 20. Then, the sun set, the temperature dropped, & I realized that I'd already put 450 miles on the bike. In the only fit of sanity I've had in ages, I turned around and went back to Bend. 500 miles for the day. Found a cheap hotel. (considered borrowing camping gear; when I discovered that my friend's gear was all in storage, I took it as a sign that I was not meant to camp) Thawed out, and found Kasey's Texas Style Bar-B- Q on SE 3rd in Bend (That's the local name for 97). All you can eat for $6.95. Beef and pork ribs, all-meat chili, chicken, sliced beef, pork, and turkey, and all the fixin's you can stuff into your mouth. Needless to say, a productive evening. Monday -- Decided to see what the Pacific looked like, since I'd not seen it in about 6 years. North out of Bend, I took US 20/SR 126 West/North. This road ranks up there with the N. Cascades highway in Washington. It goes right through the Deschutes and Willamette National Forests, following a river (no, don't remember the name) all the way to Springfield/Eugene. Brunch at Tina's Lucky Logger, then out to the beach. Did anyone know there's a university in Eugene? Hmmmm, SR 126 to Florence, then there it was -- US Highway 101. If y'all down south think your stretch is nice, come on up this way sometime. I rode along the coast for most of the rest of the day. Traffic was light, the roads were still dry, and I know I'd've enjoyed the twisties more if I had more tread on the rear tire. (I know, I know. At least I got an oil change and check-up before I left...) Just south of Newport is a place called Seal Rock, which is just what it sounds like. 75-100 foot cliffs, with caves at the bottom for the little critters to play in. There are tours/access down to the caves, but if you go about 1/4 mile further up the road, there's a pull-out that let's you watch the seals sunning themselves and playing in the surf. There's also a great view of a lighthouse from there. Onward north through the Suislaw National forest. Oregon has more public beach access and day parks along the beach than I've seen anywhere. If there's a view, or even a moderately interesting variation on the view you just saw a mile back, there's a place to pull off & look. Just north of Lincoln City is a 39 mile "Scenic Capes Route." Scenic it is. and curvy. and partially washed out. and gravelly. Really gravelly. Like 50 feet of loose gravel over sand. THe good news is, the PC handled it nicely at about 30-35 mph. The bad news is that I had to stop & change my long johns. When they say gravel on the road, they ain't kidding! It's worth the ride, but not at the end of the day. If you're starting to get tired, stay on the main 101 north. Got into Cannon Beach right around sunset. Nothing going on there, & I figgered hotels would be cheaper up in Seaside. Big mistake. Of course, there are hotels all along the coast if you want to watch surf pound sand. FOund a place to crash, then walked to downtown Seaside to stretch the legs. Dinner at Doogers on Broadway. Great seafood, cold beer. They've got one in Cannon Beach and in Long Beach, WA also. Today -- Went to load up the bike. It had rained the night be fore, so I decided to head home via the scenic route. Continued up 101, and crossed the Columbia over the big bridge (not for the acrophobic). My map said it was a toll bridge, but the collection booths are a thing of the past. Showers off and on all the way up. Stopped for a steak and eggs breakfast at Chuck's in Long Beach ($7.95, including coffee; not bad). Roads were wet, and a little slick. Of course, better tread would be good. Slow going along the west side of the Olympic Peninsula, then across US 12/SR 8 to I-5 north to the barn. Took an hour to wash the gunk off the bike and polish it up again, but she gleams. I didn't stop a lot to look at stuff. Missed the Oregon Ice caves, the High Desert Museum, and a bunch of historic markers. On the other hand, I've been known to have a fairly short attention span. The intent was to ride, and ride I did. 1,082 miles. 2 - 1/2 days. More $$$ than I care to think about with a stack of bills waiting to be paid. Guess what? I feel great!!!!!!! Back to work tomorrow, and I'll just let them all guess why I'm smiling. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Mar 96 20:38:05 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Trip report Hi, Johan. Great trip report. I'm really sorry I missed it, but my strep-throat FINALLY cleared up (either I'm getting older, or these nasty little bugs are getting smarter and nastier) so I'll definitely be up for the next one! I guess it's my turn to organize the next one, unless Ellen and Morgan are going to be regulars? My initial thoughts are: - continue our mellow/scenic tour of PCH in the Malibu area (maybe throw in Mulholland to spice things up) - test the sidewalls of our tires (actually, more like test our brakes) on the Angeles Crest Any thoughts? Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:05:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: testing Hi all, sorry to fill up the list with drivel but I'm running a test. I'm also putting together a compiled mailing list file with the header stuff removed so that only the good bits remain. It will be in Word format and, therefore, searchable. Todd Zedak (Chicago) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Searchable list archive (Was: testing) From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 Mar 1996 00:37:05 -0600 Lines: 23 >>>>> "G" == GuntherSki writes: G> I'm also putting together a compiled mailing list file with the header G> stuff removed so that only the good bits remain. It will be in Word G> format and, therefore, searchable. I hadn't gotten around to it yet, but I've been working in an automatic web-based list archiver with free test indexing system. I've been testing it on two of my larger, higher traffic lists but I think it's to the point where it's usable. I saw this message and wanted to save anyone the trouble of trying to so a searchable archive. My system configures itself almost automatically so it's easy for me to do this for the PC800 list, but I'm still tweaking all of the software so don't expect everything to work quite smoothly. Most of it's there, though if you try within an hour of my sending this it will probably still be building the index. The URL is . Feel free to bash on it and let me know if something's screwed up. BTW, there are just over 3000 messages, going back to June, 1994. This was, I think, the first mailing list I attempted to run. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Mar 96 09:01:51 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List , Carol Prince , "Roger Prince (AOL)" , "Roger Prince (MSN)" Subject: Life in Prison...Not Bad, Huh? Hello there, all you weird dudes floating around in the atmosphere this sunny Wednesday morning!...Read on... Roger Prince sent me the following message, which he received from somewhere in outer space. I thought that I'd share it with you folks....It would be excellent reading during your Monday morning coffee break when you have a full week of work ahead of you...Enjoy! BTW, if I don't give Roger credit for sending it to me, he charges $50 to my credit card! So...HE SENT IT TO ME...HE REALLY DID! Dana Sawyer **************************************************************************** Christine Ray-Carney, M.S.W. Eastern Pennsylvania Psychiatric Institute Work: 215-842-4290 3200 Henry Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19129 E-Mail Address: RAY@medcolpa.edu ******************************************************************************** >Life in Prison -vs- A Full-Time Job - A Comparison >================================================== > >In prison they spend the majority of their time in a 8' x 10'cell. >At work, I spend most of my time in a 6' x 8' cube. > >In prison they get three meals a day. >At work I only get a break for one meal, and I have to pay for the meal. > >In prison you get time off for good behavior. >At work I get rewarded for good behavior with more work. > >At work many people must wear an ID badge at all times. >In prison they provide you with clothing with the ID conveniently >sewn onto the clothes. > >At work there is a dress standard but I must buy my own clothes. >In prison there is a dress standard, but they supply the clothes. > >At work I must carry around a security card and unlock and open >all the doors myself. >In prison a guard locks and unlocks all the doors for me. > >In prison they can watch TV and play games. >At work I can get fired for watching TV and playing games. > >In prison they will pay my way through school to learn a new >career and give me time to do it. >At work they will pay for my education but I must do it on my own time. > >In prison they have exercise rooms that they allow you to use >almost whenever you want. >At work we have an exercise room that you can use but it must be on your >time. > >In prison I can fall asleep on the job and no serious consequences comes >from my actions. >At work if I fall asleep on the job I get put on the next layoff list. > >In prison they ball-and-chain you when you go somewhere. >At work you are just ball-and-chained. > >In prison you have full medical coverage with no deductibles. >At work, you get partial coverage and pay all the deductibles. > >In prison all expenses are paid by the taxpayer, with no work on their >part. >At work, you get to pay all the expenses to go to work, and then >deduct the taxes from your salary to pay for the prisoners. > > > > >--Boundary-7099716-0-0-- ================================================ Scott J. Ritchie FLASH! Energizer Bunny arrested. Charged with battery. ================================================ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:03:12 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Installing the Backrest Hello All, Just thought I'd keep everyone posted on my many new discoveries. I just installed the rear passenger backrest from Honda. It certainly could have been built to tighter tolerances. It took about an hour to remove the rear seat, assemble the backrest, and remount the seat. The metal frame that supports the backrest was not really formed very well. I had to really wrestle the thing into place. However, it appears to be WAY over designed, which is great, because my intention is to design a rear rack to bolt to the backrest frame. Has anyone done this already? Neccesity IS the mother of invention and while I think it would be a fun exercise, I would also be happy to buy one that has already been proven. Well, till next time.... Todd Zedak (Chicago, '94) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: BernieK469@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:50:51 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ozark Tour Are there any PC Riders on the net in the Kansas City or St. Louis areas that would like to schedule a week-end tour through the Ozarks this spring? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: PC 800 Owners in the K.C./St. Louis Area Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 10:33:51 -0000 From: Bernard Kohler To: Are there any P.C. owners in the area that would like to schedule a trip to the Ozarks this coming spring? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Mar 96 14:20:05 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: Searchable list archive Jason, I want to thank you for the efforts you are putting into the mailinglist. Today I tried to do some searches on the archives and I think it is really great to have a searchable list. Thanks again Willem van Alderwerelt 101362.2633@compuserve.com 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==> 1994: 1989 PC 800 ==>1995: 1995 PC 800 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:22:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:30:25 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Searchable list archive -Reply Yo, Jason, way cool man! The searchable index is GREAT. I'll definitely be putting a link to it on the "wwwpc800" web page. I was wondering about how to get in touch with that dealer in Milpitas who was supposedly offering us a 30% discount. I did a search for "Hondamil" and found about 6 references to in and found exactly what I was looking for pretty much right off. Awesome. I wonder if Juan could find the answer to his plug specifications question out there? I did notice two basically cosmetic things. The dropdown list for "Max matches per file" overlays the title (PC800 Mailing List Interface). When I returned from the search bact to the opening screen, there was a bunch of text on the screen overlaying the original stuff. A reload cleared this without a problem. Thanks again. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:29:41 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Searchable list archive -Reply At 09:30 AM 3/20/96 -0700, you wrote: >Yo, Jason, way cool man! The searchable >index is GREAT. Couldn't have said it better myself. Very helpful and user friendly. >I wonder if Juan could find the answer to >his plug specifications question out there? Tried it, it found all references to sparkplugs, but apparently we just have not discussed plugs until recently (now that I think about it, I could've checked your homepage for the info, Neill. Duh, I guess I have terminal cabin fever) Anyway, yet another great reason to be part of such a nice bunch of people. Thanks Jason. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- 20 Mar 1996 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:29:15 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Trip report To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu > - test the sidewalls of our tires (actually, more like test our brakes) >on the Angeles Crest The Angeles Crest is my pick! :-) Also, make sure to buy a Chatterbox! :-) Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:36:55 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Installing the Backrest At 10:03 AM 3/20/96 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone done this already? Neccesity IS the mother of >invention and while I think it would be a fun exercise, I would also be happy >to buy one that has already been proven. Well, till next time.... I have a copy of a picture that Ray Nielsen sent me. It shows a rack he built that attaches to the rear of the backrest. I need to have it scanned, but as soon as I get it I'll send you a copy of the file. Pretty neat actually, simple and elegant in design, it does not detract at all from the PC's looks. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Neill Thompson CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Searchable list archive -Reply From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 20 Mar 1996 19:28:36 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> Yo, Jason, way cool man! The searchable index is GREAT. I'll NT> definitely be putting a link to it on the "wwwpc800" web page. Good. I'll be adding links to other pages soon, but since the index page is generated (on the fly) by the same executable that runs the other lists, I can't just add the HTML into the code. I need to do some more hacking. NT> [...] When I returned from the search bact to the opening screen, there NT> was a bunch of text on the screen overlaying the original stuff. A NT> reload cleared this without a problem. That's a bug in your browser. It works fine with Netscape 2.0, old Mosaic 2.6 and Lynx (all the browsers I have), though it needs some more tweaking on browsers without tables. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 17:02:08 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: "Holy" PC Howdy everybody. Well, last night I must have been extremely bored because after getting the new plugs for my bike (thanks to those who responded to my plea) I also bought a set of 4" speakers -poly cone and butyl-rubber suspension, about as waterproof as it gets- and took the plunge: I cut out the speaker blanks out of the dash (hence the "holy" reference). The grilles that came with the speakers were metal and oversize, so I flattened them and using the cutouts as molds/guides I reshaped the grilles to a reasonable facsimile of the factory items, then hot-glued them to the dash cover. It actually worked out pretty well, IMHO, considering what I had to work with. On the down side, I dicovered that the speakers would not fit if I left the air horns and compressor where they are at, soooo, I'll have to take all the front panels off (again, sob, sniffle) and re-work the mounting (sob!). Next step: get the power amp and mount it on the forward face of the right trunk bulkhead and wire everything into pigtails that can be hooked up to the stereo in the tankbag. Wes, I noticed on the web pictures that your bike has a "rubber duck" antenna mounted on the trunk. How does it work for you? Any regrets, praises? Knowing what you know now, would you do it again? Thanks for any tips and comments. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:27:57 -0500 Apparently-To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Tales In a message dated 96-03-13 11:02:44 EST, you write: >Question 2: As anyone installed a voltage meter/ oil pressure gauge in >place where the speakers go? How about a clock? I have been considering it but have not found an appropriate clock with the features I desire. If I do or come up with a reasonable alternative I will let you know. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:15:56 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC 800: Micron Superbrace >I've looked over the front frender and there's almost no room to put a >brace. There's about 1 inch above the fender to bold one on below the >fork seals. I don't believe there's room underneat the fender as >clearance is about 1/2 inch. I'm willing to cut some of the fender away >but I'm sceptical at making it all fit and preserving the look.. I saw a few PC800s at the HSTA STAR 95 that were modified to accept the front fender from an ST1100. The reasons related to the high speed handling characteristics of the PC in the twisties but the effect was quite "sporty" aesthetically. I wonder if using this fender might allow better clearance for a fork brace, especially since the brackets for the new fender must be custom fabricated. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:17:37 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: hello In a message dated 96-03-04 21:03:42 EST, you write: >Hello all fellow PC800 lovers! > >I just loggedinto the PC800 web today!.... > > >I am Joe Beresford AKA: FIREMAN JOE dob 5-12-63... >I reside in Cincinnati, Ohio, am a memeber of the HSTA, in fact had it not >been >for the HSTA I wouldn't be a PC800 owner!!!!! Welcome! I remember seeing your PC at STAR 95. I thought you had a very nicely turned out bike. For those of you who haven't had the opportunity Joe's red PC was in excellent condition and had the words "Fireman Joe" hand lettered on the trunk. I also recall that you had a bike-to-bike communications system with the antenna mounted to the right side rear crash guard. I had hoped to speak with you about your setup and what problems you may have encountered matching the antenna. If you wouldn't mind, I am sure many of the members would love to hear about what type of setup you have and any suggestions you might be able to make that would assist in selecting or installing a good communications system. Once again welcome and enjoy! Jim Minyard '90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 96 23:02 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: hello Just did my first web browsing today on a pc at work and was delighted to see all the information that is available on pc800's. My name is Julie Pipkin. I live in Newberg, Or. My email address is julie@anthro.com. I do not own a pc800 yet. I am looking for a 1989 (pearl white) pc800. -- THANKS, Julie Pipkin (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:07:12 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:02:57 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: hello Hi Julie! I was just through Newport on a quick tour earlier this week. The PC handles 101 quite nicely. Hope you can find a bike soon. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:01:49 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: "Holy" PC At 05:02 PM 3/20/96 -0900, you wrote: > >Wes, I noticed on the web pictures that your bike has a "rubber duck" >antenna mounted on the trunk. How does it work for you? Any regrets, >praises? Knowing what you know now, would you do it again? Thanks for any >tips and comments. > >Juan > >Juan, When I bought the bike, the previous owner had installed a pair of cellular phone antennas, one on each side of the trunk. The lead wires had been clipped right at the antenna base, so I don't think he ever used them for anything other than their cosmetic value. Shortly after I had the bike, I noticed that the "wire" from one was missing so I needed to get some sort of reflector or replacement antenna to "balance" the bike. Cheap Radio Shack rubber AM/FM antennas were only $6 each as opposed to $30 or so for a matching Cell phone antenna so I bought a pair of the rubber ducks. I *DID* try to use a rubber CB antenna in place of one of the rubber ducks. IT DID NOT WORK AT ALL !!! I gave up on the the CB for the PC, but if I were going to try it again, I would contact CycleComm. They have an antenna designed to mount on the rear (side) crash guard rail. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'PC800 Forum'" Subject: Works Performance mods? Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:50:19 -0500 Has anyone had experience with the Works Performance rear shock set? Worth it? How about their front shock springs -- worth the "fun" of taking the front end apart? (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 21 Mar 1996 06:14:36 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 06:28:55 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: julie pipkin Cc: pc800 Subject: Re: hello julie pipkin wrote: > > Would you happen to know Seth's email address? > -- > THANKS, > Julie Pipkin mmm..I couldn't find an old letter from him...hey, Juan, can you help? Didn't seth say his was an 89? I don't remember..duh...I still am jealous of his BMW 1100rta....whaaaaa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:02:18 -0500 To: rnielsen@isd.net, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Installing the Backrest ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Has anyone done this already? Neccesity IS the mother of >>invention and while I think it would be a fun exercise, I would also be happy >>to buy one that has already been proven. Well, till next time.... >> >I've built one for my PC that attaches to the Honda backrest. The idea is >simple; take a solid rod, maybe 3/8" or so in diameter and bend it as >follows to fit into the vertical recess under the flap on the Honda backrest. >Start with running it down the outside of one side channel, bend to go out >toward the rear of the bike, then across the top of the rear plastic, back >to the backrest and then up the outside wall of the other channel. It'll >take about 24 to 30 inches of rod, depending on what size you want to make >it. You can then cover it with your choice of materials to prevent the load >from contacting the top of the rear enclosure; I used a piece of innertube >slipped over the rack. Be sure to keep it at least 3/8" above the plastic >to avoid flexing during load carrying. >You'll need to buy longer bolts for attaching the backrest, along with >suitable washers that will "clamp" the rod in place. Done with the right >size materials, the soft flap will still fit and you'll have a neat looking >rack. >If you'll send me your mailing address, I'll send along a picture or two. >I'll even include a picture of wind deflectors that minimize the wind up the >pants feature that Honda incorporated into the PC. I will want them back >when you're through with them. >Juan A. Goula has copies of them and may be able to load them into picture >files for others to view through the PC800 Web Page. I'm not sure how he's >coming along with that project though. >You can check the web page and find a listing of pictures you can see. I'm >a novice on the internet, so I can't accurately describe the process of >getting to the pictures, but I'm sure others here can. Thanks Ray, While I normally hate the complete reposting of a message, your description was very good so I thought I would share it with everyone. If you get me the photo's, I'll get them posted. Thanks Again, Z Todd Zedak 2925 W. Logan Blvd. Chicago, IL 60647 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:48:32 -0500 To: SethMiller@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Honda Pacific Coast (S.F. Bay Area) post your message to pc800@hpc.uh.edu PC800 user group Why are you selling? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:43:10 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: White PC for sale At 06:28 AM 3/21/96 +0000, you wrote: >julie pipkin wrote: >> >> Would you happen to know Seth's email address? >> -- >> THANKS, >> Julie Pipkin > >mmm..I couldn't find an old letter from him...hey, Juan, can you help? >Didn't seth say his was an 89? I don't remember..duh...I still am jealous of >his BMW 1100rta....whaaaaa Sure! Here is the text of his "for sale" message (I found it using Jason's most excellent search engine): >FOR SALE (San Francisco Bay Area) > >1989 PC800, 25k miles, always garaged - excellent physical & mechanical >condition >Rifle windscreen, new (<1000 miles) tires F & R, new battery about 1 year >ago. All service current including fork fluid/brake fluid change about 6 >months ago. $3,600, more or less firm. > >If interested, please reply directly to me as I am not subscibed to the list. > >Thanks- > > - Seth (sethmiller@aol.com) > >BTW, I am selling because I just purchased a BMW1100RT. Very nice bike, but >it has a hard act to follow reliability-wise since I have never experienced a >single mechanical problem with the PC in my entire term of ownership. Tough >record to beat... ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:51:14 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us (by way of "Juan A. Goula" ) Subject: RE: "Holy" PC Juan, you wrote on 3/20/96: >Wes, I noticed on the web pictures that your bike has a "rubber duck" >antenna mounted on the trunk. How does it work for you? Any >regrets, praises? Knowing what you know now, would you do it again? >Thanks for any tips and comments. I don't know if this helps, but I have a "hand-held" CB (without the battery clip) installed on the handlebar of my PC. My antenna is installed on the right-hand side of my trunk on the crash bar. There is a little bit of the plastic cut away to make room for the antenna bracket but it actually looks okay. The antenna is one of those "KB??" antennas from Radio Shack that is black colored and goes nicely with the bike I find the CB works fine for me...alot of the people I ride with has CBS so we're usually traveling in a group. Later... Jo Ruby Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us 1994 PC800/1983 Shadow 750 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:40:14 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Spring is here, the PC is out of winter storage! Actually, the gearbox in my winter bike, the Helix, bit the dust yesterday, so I rolled it to a nearby parking lot, and took a cab to where my PC was stored for the winter. Ya Hoo! In other news, a couple of weeks ago I was cagin' around L.A. and environs, and took an *incredibly* wiggly road that appeared, on the map, to be the most direct route from Palm Springs to San Diego. It did switchbacks for what seemed like forever, up and down mountains, would be a wild and craaaazy drive on a bike. Does this road have a well-known name? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:53:10 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gratitude I placed a request on this list for the pages of the shop manual that would help me install a Rifle screen. I was offered LOTS of help (Thanks all, esp. Juan). timmacy even called me and said he would copy the pages, all 30 of them, and mail them to me, no charge. I can't tell you how great this is. I don't want to get philisophical, or mushy, but as a simple man would say, "People are Good". Thanks, Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:59:02 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Antennas On Thu, Mar 21, 1996 7:01:49 AM, Wes St.Onge wrote: >>Wes, I noticed on the web pictures that your bike has a "rubber duck" >>antenna mounted on the trunk. How does it work for you? Any regrets, >>praises? Knowing what you know now, would you do it again? Thanks for any >>tips and comments. >> >>Juan > When I bought the bike, the previous owner had installed a pair of >cellular phone antennas, one on each side of the trunk. The lead wires had >been clipped right at the antenna base, so I don't think he ever used them >for anything other than their cosmetic value. > Shortly after I had the bike, I noticed that the "wire" from one was >missing so I needed to get some sort of reflector or replacement antenna to >"balance" the bike. Cheap Radio Shack rubber AM/FM antennas were only $6 >each as opposed to $30 or so for a matching Cell phone antenna so I bought a >pair of the rubber ducks. > I *DID* try to use a rubber CB antenna in place of one of the rubber >ducks. IT DID NOT WORK AT ALL !!! I gave up on the the CB for the PC, but >if I were going to try it again, I would contact CycleComm. They have an >antenna designed to mount on the rear (side) crash guard rail. I do not have any sort of radio system on my PC, but I'd like to, and I considered the question. I believe for a CB one problem would be the lack of a ground plane (like a car body) to radiate the signal. I think a solution may be the "no ground plane" antennas developed for fibbergals body vehicles. I also looked at a photo of the CB antenna sold by the people who make helmet mikes (than name escapes me at the moment.) It looked like they welded a (~18) strip of metal to the antenna base to act as a ground plane. - Jeff ........................................................................... "Don't Pee on My Leg and Tell Me It's Raining" -- NYC family court Judge Judy Sheindlin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:23:58 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Spark plug info. At 04:03 PM 3/21/96 -0800, you wrote: >The numbers for NGK is DPR7EA-9. Cold climate gets DPR6EA-9 > >The numbers for ND plugs are X22EPR-U9. Cold climate gets X20EPR-U9. > >Gap is 0.8-0.9mm > Bryce, Thanks! I got a set last night, thoroughly dissapointed that Bosch does _not_ make a platinum plug for the PC. And no, I didn't get the cold climate plugs :- ) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:36:13 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: CB on PC ;- ) I think Jo Ruby might have the answer to the CB antenna question. Read on: > Juan, you wrote on 3/20/96: > > >Wes, I noticed on the web pictures that your bike has a "rubber duck" > >antenna mounted on the trunk. How does it work for you? Any > >regrets, praises? Knowing what you know now, would you do it again? > >Thanks for any tips and comments. > > I don't know if this helps, but I have a "hand-held" CB (without the > battery clip) installed on the handlebar of my PC. My antenna is > installed on the right-hand side of my trunk on the crash bar. There > is a little bit of the plastic cut away to make room for the antenna > bracket but it actually looks okay. The antenna is one of those "KB??" > antennas from Radio Shack that is black colored and goes nicely with > the bike > > I find the CB works fine for me...alot of the people I ride with has > CBS so we're usually traveling in a group. > > Later... > > > Jo Ruby > Jo_Ruby@labor.state.ak.us > 1994 PC800/1983 Shadow 750 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'KlassC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:09:26 -0800 I'll bring in my service manual tomorrow and fax you a copy of how to do it. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 1996 3:19 PM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu; The recipient's address is unknown. > >tall the Rifle screen (as you know). And I don't >have a shop manual, nor the time to get one. Can anyone fax me the >pages >that show how to remove the neccesary body parts and related info? > > >Chris >307-745-3238 voice >307-745-7219 fax >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:51:06 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:02:46 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: BRAKES ARRRGHHHH.. I'm coming home and I squeeze the front brake.it's slowly goes all the way into the grip!!!!!! I look down at the front wheel...drip drip drip... Will drop off at the shop in the am....any suggestions (other than bend over)??? btw..the bike runs and performs GREAT with the new jets/shock..only downside is significantly decreased gas milage...about 35-40 it seems now... dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 00:19:26 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trip report Thanks, Johan for your great trip report! Thanks also are in order for Steve Gross' summary of his "escape". (Now you know why Nan and I call it Motorcycle Therapy, Steve!) :-)) Now that we're FINALLY into the Riding Season (with profuse sympathies to the mid-East and Northeast for another lousy snowstorm), I hope we see more of this. After all, that's what it's all about. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 01:22:53 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: CB on PC ;- ) > I don't know if this helps, but I have a "hand-held" CB (without the >> battery clip) installed on the handlebar of my PC. My antenna is >> installed on the right-hand side of my trunk on the crash bar. Which CB? How do you talk or listen? Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 23:05 PST From: julie@anthro.com (julie pipkin) ANTHRO: POWDER TEAM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: info I am going to be looking at a used '89 PC on Saturday. Is there anything I should look for (good or bad)? I looked at a different PC last weekend and I noticed a high pitched whine in the engine. It was present at all RPM's. I noticed the same whine in the motor of a new PC but it wasn't as loud and it seemed to go away after it warmed up. Any ideas? Is this normal? -- Thanks, Julie Pipkin --- End of forwarded mail from -- Thanks, Julie Pipkin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 07:43:56 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Spring is here, the PC is out of winter storage! Actually, the gearbox in my winter bike, the Helix, bit the dust yesterday, so I rolled it to a nearby parking lot, and took a cab to where my PC was stored for the winter. Ya Hoo! In other news, a couple of weeks ago I was cagin' around L.A. and environs, and took an *incredibly* wiggly road that appeared, on the map, to be the most direct route from Palm Springs to San Diego. It did switchbacks for what seemed like forever, up and down mountains, would be a wild and craaaazy drive on a bike. Does this road have a well-known name? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 06:54:28 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: info At 11:05 PM 3/21/96 PST, you wrote: > I looked at a different PC last weekend and I noticed a high pitched >whine in the engine. It was present at all RPM's. I noticed the same whine in >the motor of a new PC but it wasn't as loud and it seemed to go away after it >warmed up. Any ideas? Is this normal? >-- >Julie, I haven't ridden my PC yet this year. I don't remember any whine. In fact at IDLE, most people don't even realize that its RUNNING! If you were noticing the whine on a test ride, maybe it's the tires? --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Mar 96 11:48:56 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Hi, Daniel. You wrote: >In other news, a couple of weeks ago I was cagin' around L.A. and environs, >and took an *incredibly* wiggly road that appeared, on the map, to be the >most direct route from Palm Springs to San Diego. It did switchbacks for >what seemed like forever, up and down mountains, would be a wild and >craaaazy drive on a bike. >Does this road have a well-known name? Ohhhhh, don't tease a fellow-Canadian living in California like that! Now I have to figure out which road(s) you mean, to make sure I haven't missed it/them. 1. Did it start east or west of Palm Springs? 2. Did you actually take it all the way to San Diego (the reason I ask is, I don't think there ARE any direct routes from Palm Springs to San Diego). If not, do you remember more-or-less where you turned back to LA? 3. Can you give me ANY more clues? Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Mar 96 13:52:20 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: info Hi, Julie. You wrote: > I looked at a different PC last weekend and I noticed a high pitched >whine in the engine. It was present at all RPM's. I noticed the same whine in >the motor of a new PC but it wasn't as loud and it seemed to go away after it >warmed up. Any ideas? Is this normal? I don't know what it is, or whether it's normal or not, but I also have the whine on my 89 PC. Like the new PC you tried, it's not very loud and goes away after a few minutes. It doesn't seem to affect anything, so I'm not worrying about it. Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800'" Subject: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 13:25:55 -0800 Was at the dealer yesterday and saw this sitting on the showroom floor. '89 PC800 with passenger backrest. 6k miles and from the looks of it it barely saw the light of day. Asking price they said was $5299 though I think there's some room in that price. Call I-90 Honda in Seattle at 206-391-4490. If someone picks this up I'd be happy to help pick it up, road test, whatever. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 22 Mar 96 16:36:48 EST From: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU (Sidney S. Letter) Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles To: bryceu@MICROSOFT.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu ("'pc800'") The price Bryce cites for an '89 with passenger backrest at I-90 Honda in Seattle is three or four hundred (awful memory; papers elsewhere) less than I fairly willingly paid for a 94 with 7800 miles on it. (The comparison is less exact than that suggests, since the $6500 deal included warranty extension and manuals.) Despite the imprecision of the comparison, I think $5299 is fairly close to reasonable, even before the bargaining begins. Sid Letter (Soon-to-pick-it-up PC800 owner.) Lebanon NH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 12:49:46 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles At 04:36 PM 3/22/96 EST, you wrote: >Despite the imprecision of the comparison, I think $5299 is fairly close to >reasonable, even before the bargaining begins. umm... I don't want to rain in anyone's parade, but I paid $5,400 for my 1990 new out of the showroom floor, plus $400 for a two year extension on the warranty. Cory paid $4,800 for his new 1989. $5,299 for a used '89 seems a bit steep to me. Just my $0.02 Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:52:36 -0700 (MST) From: Eric To: "Juan A. Goula" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > $5,299 for a used '89 seems a bit steep to me. Just my $0.02 > > Juan Agreed. I got my '89 new for $4,300, including the Honda PC cover and two matching Hondaline helmets (with which I am not impressed ;) However we must remember this was in '91 when the PC was just a dust collector on most showroom floors. Is this about the same time Cory got his? As someone (sorry I have forgotten who) previously said, those days are gone. Eric "Real men don't wear .sigs" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:50:52 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: '89 PC for sale At 05:52 PM 3/22/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Juan A. Goula wrote: > >> $5,299 for a used '89 seems a bit steep to me. Just my $0.02 >> >> Juan > >Agreed. I got my '89 new for $4,300, including the Honda PC cover and two >matching Hondaline helmets (with which I am not impressed ;) However we must >remember this was in '91 when the PC was just a dust collector on most >showroom floors. Is this about the same time Cory got his? As someone >(sorry I have forgotten who) previously said, those days are gone. Indeed. It is sad that for us PC'ers the "good old days" were just 4-5 years ago :- ) I was also reminded of the inflation factor by Sidney, which does have some impact on current prices. Nevertheless, "caveat emptor" is just as good with PC's as with anything else. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 17:55:34 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: BRAKES At 08:02 PM 3/21/96 +0000, you wrote: >Will drop off at the shop in the am....any suggestions (other than bend >over)??? Dave, unless you are mechanicaly inclined, might as well strech those back muscles a bit, don't want to pull anything bending over. :- ) >btw..the bike runs and performs GREAT with the new jets/shock..only >downside is significantly decreased gas milage...about 35-40 it seems >now... Seems excessive. Maybe they left something improperly adjusted? Yours in sympathy, Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:03:43 -0900 (AKST) To: wrich@in.net From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Hitch Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 02:41 PM 3/21/96 -0500, you wrote: >I finally saw the photos of your hitch for the PC. I have been trying to >get someone locally (Indianapolis, IN) to build one for me and cannot find >anyone who will take the time to fabricate it. I have tried Waldo Meeks >also and he likewise is not interested. Hello. There seems to be a bit of confusion going on here. The hitch pictured on my bike is actually Cory's. He lent it to me so I could have it reproduced by a local shop. (Both Cory and I agree that Waldo's design is more elegant, so that might be the way to go.) I did not intend to mislead anyone making people believe that I fabricated that hitch. >Since you have the measurements and apparently the ability.......would you >be interested in making another for me. I assume that it is steel rod and >not tubing. I can drill and mount it ok, but just don't have the equipment >to bend and weld the metal. I can definitely post the dimensions, and will inquire about the cost of making two, instead of just one, and post the price as well, if you are interested. >Please consider this request as my new Neosha trailer is just sitting >waiting for the hitch. However, we still have 6" of snow on the ground. I >have a 94 PC800. :) Hmmm... weird. I have a hitch (sort of) but no trailer. I knew I should've taken that left at Albuquerque. :- ) Later! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 18:25:52 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC for sale I think Alexander meant for this message to go to the List: >From: "Alexander D. Gray" >To: "'Juan A. Goula'" >Subject: RE: '89 PC for sale >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 20:12:06 -0700 > >$5,200 is too much for an 89, unless it only has 1000 miles on it!! I bought my 95 for $6,500 and it was a "demo", it only had 1500 miles on it! The sales man had my bike next to a "band new one" with no miles on it. He said do you want the 95 new one for $7,600 or the "demo" with 1500 miles for $6,500. What do you think I did!?:) > >$5,200 for an 89 is too much!!!!! unless they just took it out of the box:) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 23:05:20 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: ruf@nconnect.net (Bob Rufener) Subject: '89 PC Ran across an older ad at the Pegasus racing web site http://www.pegasusracing.com/. The ad was for an '89 PC but was dated Jan 1996. Description: 16k miles, always garaged and serviced. With Corbin and stock seats and factory stereo $3800. Contact person is Bob Cowgill in Cocoa, Florida. Phone (407) 639-3478. E-mail address is rcc@cowgill.iexpress.com Price looked a "smidge" better than the $5299 for the '89 that has been batted around tonight. The bike listed above is probably gone because of the January posting date. But, someone just might try mailing to see if it is still available or for other details regarding the bike. FYI Just got in from checking the comet in the sky near the BIG DIPPER. While everyone is out there, take a peak. It is supposed to be really spectacular on Sunday and Monday nites. Just my luck that it will be cloudy here in the thawing reaches of the Wisconsin tundra. Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 23:30:14 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: "Juan A. Goula" , wrich@in.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Hitch I have heard Bushtec in MO makes a PC-specific trailer hitch. Tom Powers in the HSTA Bluebook had one. Roger Prince ________________________________________________________________ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ________________________________________________________________ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Juan A. Goula Sent: Saturday, March 23, 1996 3:03 AM To: wrich@in.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hitch At 02:41 PM 3/21/96 -0500, you wrote: >I finally saw the photos of your hitch for the PC. I have been trying to >get someone locally (Indianapolis, IN) to build one for me and cannot find >anyone who will take the time to fabricate it. I have tried Waldo Meeks >also and he likewise is not interested. Hello. There seems to be a bit of confusion going on here. The hitch pictured on my bike is actually Cory's. He lent it to me so I could have it reproduced by a local shop. (Both Cory and I agree that Waldo's design is more elegant, so that might be the way to go.) I did not intend to mislead anyone making people believe that I fabricated that hitch. >Since you have the measurements and apparently the ability.......would you >be interested in making another for me. I assume that it is steel rod and >not tubing. I can drill and mount it ok, but just don't have the equipment >to bend and weld the metal. I can definitely post the dimensions, and will inquire about the cost of making two, instead of just one, and post the price as well, if you are interested. >Please consider this request as my new Neosha trailer is just sitting >waiting for the hitch. However, we still have 6" of snow on the ground. I >have a 94 PC800. :) Hmmm... weird. I have a hitch (sort of) but no trailer. I knew I should've taken that left at Albuquerque. :- ) Later! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 Mar 96 01:43:14 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:JFMinyard@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: hello Welcome! I remember seeing your PC at STAR 95. I thought you had a very nicely turned out bike. For those of you who haven't had the opportunity Jim Maynard wrote:------------ Joe's red PC was in excellent condition and had the words "Fireman Joe" hand lettered on the trunk. I also recall that you had a bike-to-bike communications system with the antenna mounted to the right side rear crash guard. I had hoped to speak with you about your setup and what problems you may have encountered matching the antenna. If you wouldn't mind, I am sure many of the members would love to hear about what type of setup you have and any suggestions you might be able to make that would assist in selecting or installing a good communications system. --------------------------- Joe's REPLY-------- Well Thanks for the kudu's........ Once again welcome and enjoy! As for Bike-to-bike we were using CB Childrens Band radio's....The antenna was a 3-4 foot whip I mounted with a radio shack mirrir bracket on the right rear crash bar, as for the plastic body panel I chose to just leave it off, in lieu of cutting it.................AS for a match well that was a different story.....we would like to have a nice match, but we opted to just be able to talk to each other within a mile or so.....For longer distances we used the Cell Phones...the Motorhome & The VAN support vehicles had cell phones in them that were on...we could whip out the portable one call the motorhome and say turn around or whatever.....I used a truck stop special radio, one of those 39.95 sale's a simple 40 channel cobra about the size of a video tape.......and a remote small speaker that had a clip on it, made to look like a cop thing that you could clip to your collar.........If I had my choice I would like to have had a couple extar bucks into a cycle com outfit with a mic/ear into the helmet ...... JOE for ; Sat, 23 Mar 1996 04:58:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 07:52:57 -0700 From: lucas.m@nmaa.org (Mark Lucas) To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up My fiance and I have been commuting around Washington DC for several months now (whenever the weather would permit) and I've noticed that I'm getting only about 30 mpg with the two of us. There is a great deal of stop-and-go, and I'm sure that's part of it. Just like to know what anyone else is getting 2-up. On a similar note, I've noticed that the rear shocks groan a bit (actually alot) when Beth gets on. I've got them set on the highest setting (max load) but the rear end seem to sink more than it should. Haven't actually measured the dip, but it is significant. Any input on this? Thanks a bunch! -- Peace, Mark lucas.m@nmaa.com http://www.nmaa.org/member/lucas/index.htm HSTA# 6458RG DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 Ride to live - '95 Honda Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 09:10:01 -0500 To: lucas.m@nmaa.org, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up >My fiance and I have been commuting around Washington DC for several >months now (whenever the weather would permit) and I've noticed that I'm >getting only about 30 mpg with the two of us. There is a great deal of >stop-and-go, and I'm sure that's part of it. Just like to know what >anyone else is getting 2-up. > >On a similar note, I've noticed that the rear shocks groan a bit >(actually alot) when Beth gets on. I've got them set on the highest >setting (max load) but the rear end seem to sink more than it should. >Haven't actually measured the dip, but it is significant. Any input on >this? > >Thanks a bunch! Don't take her with you? How much does it settle? What do you mean groan? I hope you don't mean you hear it! That would be bad. Low milage. That sounds low for two up, but I don't have that much experiance on my PC to say for sure. I always ride two up and I get better milage, but I also don't ride in traffic. Sincerely Rick Fisher Visit my Web Page and learn about Paintless Dent Repair! http://members.aol.com/dentman711/ Or my Sons page http://members.aol.com/dentman711/alex.html Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ******************************************************************** 1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat HSTA # 6578 $$$$$$$$$$$(FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ******************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 07:36:11 -0700 (MST) From: Eric To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: FOR SALE: Honda Pacific Coast (S.F. Bay Area) (fwd) Sorry I don't remember who was looking....found on wreck.moto Eric "Real men don't wear .sigs" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- FOR SALE: (S.F. Bay Area) 1989 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast, 25k miles, always garaged, excellent condition. Rifle windscreen, new (<1000 miles) tires and new battery, all maintenance current. $3,700 If interested, please email me at sethmiller@aol.com for more data. - Seth ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 Mar 96 10:09:53 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: Ian Smith Information and other articles Last night I was cleaning the mess in one of the drawers of my desk and found some artciles on the PC which might be of interest for any of you. The contents of the package I received September, 1995 from Ian Smith Information, Denver: The Other Pacific Coast, Rider, May 1989, page 40-45 and page 73 B.A.P. and the PC, Rider, November 1990 Honda Pacific Coast, All dressed up and everywhere to go, Cycle World,June 1989 page 46-51 Honda Pacific Coast, Cycle, June 1989, page 30-37 Shunpike Tour-Off, Four bikes (BMW K75RT, BMW R100RT, Harley-Davidson FXRT, Honda Pacific Coast) from three countries, on two lanes, one winner, Cycle, May 1990, PC came out second after BMW R100RT Quick ride, Pacific Coast Full-coverage convenience, Cycle World, May 1990 Rider Review: 1989 HPC, Rider March 1992, page 56-59 Riding Around, Rider July 1993 Pacific Coast, Cycle World, July 1993? Is the time for the PC800's return, Cycle World, October 1993 Back to the Beach, 1994 HPC, Rider, November 1993 Cycle World Buyers Guide 1994 Cycle World Buyers Guide 1995 Various clippings dating from August 1989 to November 1994 If anyone would be interested I have also available: In Dutch: De Motomobiel of het nieuwe motorrijden, Moto 73, 1992/3? The new riding?) Honda PC 800 & Kawasaki 1000 GTR , Alternatieven (Alternatives), Promotor, 2/1992 Een echte motor (it really is a bike!) Promotor,#4, 1995 In German: Vergleichstest Honda Pacific Coast, Honda XRV 750 Africa Twin, Motorrad, 16/199 Bye for now and have a nice Sunday Willem 1993: 1984 Honda V45 Magna ==> 1994: 1989 PC800 ==> 1995: 1995 PC800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:28:14 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 08:24:07 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Ian Smith Information and other articles Willem, any chance of getting those articles scanned and uploaded to the PC800 web page??? -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 16:51:25 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: info On 22 Mar 1996, Steve Schibuola wrote: > > I looked at a different PC last weekend and I noticed a high pitched > >whine in the engine. It was present at all RPM's. I noticed the same whine in > >the motor of a new PC but it wasn't as loud and it seemed to go away after it > >warmed up. Any ideas? Is this normal? > > I don't know what it is, or whether it's normal or not, but I also have the > whine on my 89 PC. Like the new PC you tried, it's not very loud and goes away > after a few minutes. It doesn't seem to affect anything, so I'm not worrying > about it. When I bought the bike it didn't have the whine, but after some maintenance (carbs synced) I noticed it too. The mechanic said it wasn't something to worry about. The whine as still there when the bike is warmed up, so I don't know what it is. I'll ask it tomorrow at the ride the Dutch PC owners club has scheduled. Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Fuel Range Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 11:37:53 -0700 Hello everyone, Alexander here in Flagstaff. Hey I have a question for = all of you. What is the farthest distance you have ever traveled on one = tank of gas? I was always just riding till the needle said empty and notice that I = was only getting about 140-150 miles for the tank. I thought to myself = "This isn't much of a range for a touring bike". Then I got out my = manuel (you know that little mexican guy that helps you with stuff about = your bike) and noticed that the needle gets to EMPTY almost an entire = gallon before you are actually there!!! So I started "pushing the limit" = and have reached 189 miles so far. Can anyone else tell me how far they = have got'n? Thanks for the response. Alexander D. Gray Flagstaff, Arizona 95 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ericeric@cris.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 17:19:54 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range >Hello everyone, Alexander here in Flagstaff. Hey I have a question for all of you. What is the farthest distance you have ever traveled on one tank of gas? > >I was always just riding till the needle said empty and notice that I was only getting about 140-150 miles for the tank. I thought to myself "This isn't much of a range for a touring bike". Then I got out my manuel (you know that little mexican guy that helps you with stuff about your bike) and noticed that the needle gets to EMPTY almost an entire gallon before you are actually there!!! So I started "pushing the limit" and have reached 189 miles so far. Can anyone else tell me how far they have got'n? > >Thanks for the response. > >Alexander D. Gray >Flagstaff, Arizona >95 PC >Attachment Converted: C:\QUICKEN\NETSCAPE\EUDORA\PC800FUE.TXT You know, I've noticed the same thing. I've considered throwning a can of gas into the trunk and seeing exactly how far I can go. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Another PC for sale From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 23 Mar 1996 17:54:56 -0600 Lines: 13 I was renewing my insurance at my dealer today and noticed that they had a 1995 PC with lots of extras for sale. The thing had the Honda tall windshield, the (I think) Utopia driver's backrest, a cigarette lighter beneath the left fairing pocket, and detailing with custom pinstriping (blue and grey, with silver trim on all of the body edges). It looked pretty sharp, but a little gaudy for me. Get this: 414 miles. Some guy bought it, rode it once, and traded it in for a Goldwing. The kicker: $7995. Ouch. If anybody wants the number just ask. It's in Pasadena, Texas. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: TedJ101@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 18:57:55 -0500 To: KlassC@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Keeping it Clean In a message dated 96-03-18 14:31:37 EST, KlassC@aol.com writes: >My beautifull 95 has a wonder black color. But! The black color is to hard >to keep clean. It shows dust so quickly. Does anyone have any ideas? Go to Pep Boys and buy a Kozak Auto Drywash rag. I own two black cars (Jeep Grand Cherokee and an Audi) and a black motorcycle (wife's Pacific Coast) and I have one for each. It is perfect for removing dust from a black car. BTW, I have been using these rags for 40 years now and first learned about them at a concourse delegance where they were in heavy use by the competitors. I mention that lest you worry about damage to the finish. No one worries about the finish more than classic car owners. The Kozak has stood the test of time. In the old days, they could only be obtained direct from Kozak. Now that they are available off the shelf, they are both easier to get and much cheaper (my original Kozak that I bought in 1958 cost me $15.95; my latest $7.95). I hope this helps. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: ericeric@cris.com CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 23 Mar 1996 17:50:56 -0600 Lines: 10 >>>>> "E" == ericeric writes: E> I've considered throwning a can of gas into the trunk and seeing exactly E> how far I can go. Someone here (or someone that used to be here) does this. Go to a camping store and get a 1 liter Sigg fuel bottle. Full it with gas carefully, and you have some emergency relief. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 21:08:48 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: ericeric@cris.com Cc: "pc800" Subject: RE: Fuel Range 4.2gal worth, plus .1gal in the filler neck. I coasted into the gas station in Beatty, NV. 130mi on that tank, it was a fun day. How many miles are 4.2xyour mpg on that day. We usualyy avg 42-46, two-up. When the gauge needle touches the hose on the fuel pump icon, you had better find a source for fuel real quick. I have put over 4gal in many times, much to the consternation of my wife. ________________________________________________________________ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ________________________________________________________________ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of ericeric@cris.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 1996 10:19 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range >Hello everyone, Alexander here in Flagstaff. Hey I have a question for all of you. What is the farthest distance you have ever traveled on one tank of gas? > >I was always just riding till the needle said empty and notice that I was only getting about 140-150 miles for the tank. I thought to myself "This isn't much of a range for a touring bike". Then I got out my manuel (you know that little mexican guy that helps you with stuff about your bike) and noticed that the needle gets to EMPTY almost an entire gallon before you are actually there!!! So I started "pushing the limit" and have reached 189 miles so far. Can anyone else tell me how far they have got'n? > >Thanks for the response. > >Alexander D. Gray >Flagstaff, Arizona >95 PC >Attachment Converted: C:\QUICKEN\NETSCAPE\EUDORA\PC800FUE.TXT You know, I've noticed the same thing. I've considered throwning a can of gas into the trunk and seeing exactly how far I can go. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:27:20 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: RE: Fuel Range I routinely get 50-52 mpg while on the super slab, and have gone 220 miles while only putting 3.8 gals in the tank. That left me a whole .4 gal, or about 20 miles at 50 mpg. I don't try this often, after I had a scare and the gas station I thought I would fill up at had closed years before, and the next gas was over 20 miles away! I generally count on 46 mpg and schedule fillups between 180-190 miles, so that I have a cushion should the gas station I was counting on is closed. My gas guage usually hits the red at about 150 miles, I equate this to hitting reserve, and start looking for a place to fill up. -- __ ___ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ ( )( _)( _)( _) ( ) ( _)( _) / _)( )( ) __)( ) _) ) _) ) _) )(__ ) _) ) _)( (_ )__( (___/ (___)(_) (_) (____)(___)(___) \__)(_)(_) '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:32:41 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: RE: PC800 Fuel Range BTW, one thing to keep in mind is that a more accurate fuel gauge was one of the changes for the '90 PC800. -- __ ___ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ ( )( _)( _)( _) ( ) ( _)( _) / _)( )( ) __)( ) _) ) _) ) _) )(__ ) _) ) _)( (_ )__( (___/ (___)(_) (_) (____)(___)(___) \__)(_)(_) '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:40:42 -0500 To: smupony@infomagic.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range > So I started "pushing the limit" and have reached 189 miles so far. Can >anyone else tell me how far they have got'n? That's all? I go MUCH farther . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Paul Browne To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: Latest sale price Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:53:44 -0500 At an auction at Coleman Powersports in Falls Church, Virginia, less = than two hours ago, a 1989 PC was sold for $3,900. It had about 2,600 = miles on it and needed a good cleaning and a windshield, but didn't have = a scratch on it otherwise. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:17:47 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: tscot@vvm.com (todd scot) Subject: New person Hi, I just bought a PC 800 for 500.00 and it's a 1989 in great condition.(8,000 miles) There are only a few things I need to take care of like the windshield needs to be replaced and I need to realy work on cleaning the aluminum wheels. This is my first bike so I would realy like to receive some input on how to get the most out of the PC. I would like to replace the windshield and purchase a good bike to bike headset/communicator with radio for my friend and I. ( he rides a cbr) Any tips on cleaning aluminum? (The bike was outside for a while) I tried s100 but the only thing that works is brillo.What should I do? How much would it cost to replace the aluminum wheel. not the tire. *************************************************************** *Todd Scot (817)519-3518 * *E-mail tscot@vvm.com WWW HTTP://www.vvm.com/~tscot* *************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:06:01 -0500 To: jleech@erinet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range >I routinely get 50-52 mpg while on the super slab, and have gone 220 >miles while only putting 3.8 gals in the tank. That left me a whole .4 >gal, or about 20 miles at 50 mpg. I don't try this often, after I had a >scare and the gas station I thought I would fill up at had closed years >before, and the next gas was over 20 miles away! I generally count on >46 mpg and schedule fillups between 180-190 miles, so that I have a >cushion should the gas station I was counting on is closed. My gas >guage usually hits the red at about 150 miles, I equate this to hitting >reserve, and start looking for a place to fill up. >-- My super computer tells me that you got ****** 57.8947368421052632******* miles per gallon. An amazing figure? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Mar 96 07:43:47 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Mileage---range, etc. Yesterday I went on a club ride of 155 miles. It took 2.7 gallons to fill up, giving me 57.4 mpg. I was riding solo, at moderate speeds (65-70mph.) I normally get 50 mpg. Have never gone 200 miles on a tank. About 190 miles has been my maximum range. As someone saId, one of the improvements of the '90 PC over the '89 was a more accurate fuel gauge. And, as Roger Prince said, when the needle touches the hose of the gas pump, you'd better be giving a serious look for a gas station! Food for thought...why don't more bikes have TWO trip meters, one to be used for total trip mileage and the other as a back-up for the fuel gauge? I recall that a Kawasaki model several years ago had two fuel gauges...do you folks remember others? BTW, my carbs have not been adjusted/synched since one of the initial services. I believe in the philosophy...if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I replace spark plugs every 15,000 miles when I have new tires mounted. Every year or two I have brake &I clutch fluids and anti-freeze replaced. I change oil/.filter and final drive oil every 4,000 miles. In between, I just ride it! I did finally have to replace my OEM battery, which died at DAytona after 6 years and 62,000 miles! They just don't make 'em like they used to! I bought a Champion BS12 sealed battery at Wal-Mart for $53. Brake pads and linings are still original after 63,000 miles! ******************************************* DANA L. SAWYER Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director HSTA Member #0001 HRCA Member #700266 AMA Life Member # 180901 71430.340@Compuserve.Com "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ****************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Mar 96 07:49:50 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Not a member of the HSTA? Join today... If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application! Founded in 1982 and AMA-chartered, we have close to 2,000 members and more than 100 Pacific Coast owners within our ranks! We plan to have a meeting of PC owners at STAR '96, our 14th national rally, to be held June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. I hope to see you there! So...SEND ME YOUR SNAIL-MAIL ADDRESS and I'll fill up your mail box!! I have a 1990 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast with 62,000 trouble-free miles. It runs and looks almost like new! In closing, please consider joining the Honda Sport Touring Association. We're going places...crank up that PC and ride along with us! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go ridiing!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DANCOTE@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:36:33 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Honda of Milpitas To all, Honda of Milpitas (CA) was recommended a while back as an excellent source of Honda parts at steeply discounted prices. I've recently bought several hundred dollars worth of items for my PC through them and I can vouch for their prices and service. Everything was handled professionally. Try them. You won't bedisappointed.HONDAMIL@AOL.COM Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: CGreenwlt@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:51:10 -0500 To: tscot@vvm.com cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New person You bought your '89 PC for $500? If so, replacing those aluminum wheels will cost more than the bike! CGreenwlt@aol.com (Clint Greenwalt) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:58:54 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Grips Has anyone ever tried thicker grips? I was thinking about getting a set of those soft cell foam grips. I just don't want some non-oem set that look and feel as though they were a cheap add-on. Also, I have deceided that, for now, I will go with a set of Bass Monster helmet speakers ($24 from Rider Warehouse) and a sports walkman with digital tuning (that way it has pre-sets so I can switch stations by hitting one of the buttons) I can always upgrade it as the need develops. This way I won't feel bad that I sank too much money into a sytem. The Walkman will clip easily to the belt on my H.G. Dakar jacket. But I think I will build a bracket to mount it on. I am thinking that I will mount the bracket to the bolts used to hold the left rearview mirror. Any suggestions? Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:01:59 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Grips My PC had some foam grips on it when I bought it. I don't know what kind they were, but look just fine to me. I had foam on my Virago, and then this bike. I don't think I would want to be without them. I really like the way they take any buzz out of the grips. --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:15:50 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range > >...and have gone 220 > >miles while only putting 3.8 gals in the tank. > > My super computer tells me that you got ****** 57.8947368421052632******* > miles per gallon. > An amazing figure? > I think I had a hell of a tailwind! -- __ ___ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ ( )( _)( _)( _) ( ) ( _)( _) / _)( )( ) __)( ) _) ) _) ) _) )(__ ) _) ) _)( (_ )__( (___/ (___)(_) (_) (____)(___)(___) \__)(_)(_) '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:24:09 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Grips KlassC@aol.com wrote: > > Has anyone ever tried thicker grips? I was thinking about getting a set of > those soft cell foam grips. I just don't want some non-oem set that look and > feel as though they were a cheap add-on. > I added a pair of black soft cell foam grips soon after I picked up the bike, my hands would cramp from the smaller stock grips. I left the stock ends of the handlebar, and just trimmed the grips back to the length of the stock grips. I think it looks as good as stock. -- __ ___ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ __ _ _ ( )( _)( _)( _) ( ) ( _)( _) / _)( )( ) __)( ) _) ) _) ) _) )(__ ) _) ) _)( (_ )__( (___/ (___)(_) (_) (____)(___)(___) \__)(_)(_) '94 Pacific Coast Centerville, OH (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:41:56 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:56:32 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: compounding hey..just wondered...I have a few spots that don't seem to want to come clean with the good old Honda Spray...is it ok to use rubbing compound, or some of that Blue Coral de-oxidizing stuff??? -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." dkgross@halcyon.com _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:02:09 -0800 From: dlwinger@ix.netcom.com (Dave Lott ) Subject: Beautiful Spring Weekend in Georgia To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Oh, this weekend was just marvelous. Saturday morning, I got up and thought about all the yard work that needing doing...naah...it will wait another day. Made a quick dash up to the cycle shop for an oil filter, a quick oil change, and it was off to the north Georgia mountains. The sky was an emerald blue, and as I started out, it was still a bit nippy at 48o. Almost headed back to slip on the thermal longjohns, but knew it would warm up as the sun rose. Light traffic on the two lane highway (Ga 372 - Birmingham Highway, that's Birmingham Ga not Alabama) passing lots of pasture land. Hard to believe I'm only 20 miles from downtown Atlanta. Hey, what's that..a Harley waved backed! A wonderful day indeed and a sign of things to come. Crossed the river and really starting to feel one with the road grasshopper. Everyone is friendly today and returning waves with gusto and a smile. Pulling into Jasper, had to make a quick pulloff and ask the folks at the BellSouth Mobility office to call the fire department and put out the brush fire on the side of the road. Must have been someone throwing out a lit cigarette. Oh, well, might as well stop at the DQ and get something to drink. Noticed a couple looking at the PC when I was coming out and struck up a short conversation. He has a Nighthawk, but looking form something they both can ride a little more comfortably. Motor through town and out Hwy 136. Think for half a second about a ride to Cloudland Canyon State Park (the Grand Canyon of Georgia - at least what the PR folks say. Not even a remote comparison in my mind, although some spectacular waterfalls.). Naah, not enough time. Decide to stop for lunch at Poole's BBQ in Ellijay. What is this? Fire trucks all over the place. Seems Colonel Poole bought the house next to his BBQ restaurant and has offered it to the local volunteer fire departments for rescue training if they will burn it down when they get through as he is going to build a newer, bigger, better BBQ restaurant on the site. Not everyday you can sit at the picnic table outside eating BBQ and watching them burn a house down. House was about 60 years old and the wood was as dry as could be, as it took no time in catching on fire. Quite a sight, but time to move on. Two o'clock and time to get moving. Switch over to summer riding gloves, as temperature has warmed up into 60's and I will be in the sun. A quick blast up to Blue Ridge and over to Ducktown Tenn. and a ride by the Ocoee River. The Olympic kayaking course is all finished, but the riverbed was dry. Gotta generate those killowatts. Section 3 is wet, but no rafters, only a couple of kayakers. Guess the water is still pretty cold. Guess.. that water coming out of the dam is 52o in the dead of summer. Time to turn around and head back. Uneventful return, no more fires, no more Harley waves. Oh well, there's always tomorrow. Happy riding to all. Thirty more uneventful miles up to ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:13:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range I think I made 190 miles on a tank once. Some folks on the list have talked about bending the thingee in the tank to make their gauge more accurate, but I just ignore the E on the gauge and know that it's good at least until it touches the hose on the little gas pump icon. Of course, the extra liter of gas in the trunk helps give me the confidence to push it.... <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:00:05 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New person Hi Todd, Welcome to the list. Sounds like you got a great deal. I don't have any magic for cleaning the wheels beyond a lot of tedious work. I have never priced the wheels, but I would guess they are expensive enough to make cleaning the ones you have worth the effort. You might consider having them powder coated; I haven't actually seen the results, but I understand that it really looks nice and provides a durable finish. Also, since you are having to replace the windscreen, you might want to consider getting the Rifle system. Many on this list have them, and nearly everyone reports that they are better than the OEM shields. Good luck, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:01:14 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up Hi Mark: 30 mpg sounds pretty low, even for two up in traffic. You might want someone to check the carbs' float levels and make sure that someone hasn't put the wrong jets in. You might want to look into fitting the Works Performance springs and shocks on the rear. They tailor the springs to the load you routinely carry, and it sounds like you simply carry more than the stock springs were designed to handle. You might need to adjust the front preload as well. The proper ride height (front and rear) makes a big difference in how the bike handles. JT (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:08:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:04:24 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Beautiful Spring Weekend in Georgia Nice report, Dave -- We had cold, clouds, and showers... (didn't stop us from a 150 mile 3 ferry Olympic Penisula trip, tho. -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:12:17 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Spring is here, the PC is out of winter storage! Actually, the gearbox in my winter bike, the Helix, bit the dust Tuesday, so I rolled it to a nearby parking lot, and took a cab to where my PC was stored. Ya Hoo! In other news, a couple of weeks ago I was cagin' around L.A. and environs, and took an *incredibly* wiggly road that appeared, on the map, to be the most direct route from Palm Springs to San Diego. It did switchbacks for what seemed like forever, up and down mountains, would be a wild and craaaazy drive on a bike. Does this road have a well-known name? -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:39:47 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Steve: >1. Did it start east or west of Palm Springs? I can't find it on my large-scale map. West, I think. But I do remember that looking at the roadmap, it was by far the shortest-looking route from Palm Springs to San Diego. Went through, ummm, or near Rancho Mirage, Indian Wells, and ended at the road that wraps around Mt. Palomar- that was the end of the really wiggly bit. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: ericeric@cris.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range I did that - I took a quart of gas and then tried to run out. I didn't actualy run out, but I had 192 miles on it and it took .15 of a gallon. I've learned to read the guage and it will go all the way up to the nozzle of the gas pump icon. I do this routinely, have 56,800 on the bike, and have never run out. On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 ericeric@cris.com wrote: > >Hello everyone, Alexander here in Flagstaff. Hey I have a question for all > of you. What is the farthest distance you have ever traveled on one tank of > gas? > > > >I was always just riding till the needle said empty and notice that I was > only getting about 140-150 miles for the tank. I thought to myself "This > isn't much of a range for a touring bike". Then I got out my manuel (you > know that little mexican guy that helps you with stuff about your bike) and > noticed that the needle gets to EMPTY almost an entire gallon before you are > actually there!!! So I started "pushing the limit" and have reached 189 > miles so far. Can anyone else tell me how far they have got'n? > > > >Thanks for the response. > > > >Alexander D. Gray > >Flagstaff, Arizona > >95 PC > >Attachment Converted: C:\QUICKEN\NETSCAPE\EUDORA\PC800FUE.TXT > > > > You know, I've noticed the same thing. I've considered throwning a can of > gas into the trunk and seeing exactly how far I can go. > > -- > Visit the PC800 web page at > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Mar 96 10:27:20 EST From: Willem van Alderwerelt <101362.2633@compuserve.com> To: PC800 owners Subject: Re: Ian Smith Information and other articles Steve, At the moment I am not able to scan the articles. I hope I will be in due course. Another thing is wether one is allowed to put the articles into a public??? webpage. -- copyrights etc. of articles and pictures out of magazines. Ian Smith Information seems to haven permission to reprint. Regards Willem ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHO@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:56:24 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '95 shield on '89 PC? Does anybody know if the windshield from a '95 PC will fit on the '89? I gather that the shield design changed at some point, but did the mounting hardware? Thanks for your expertise. By the way, whatever happened to Kent Polk? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: KlassC@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:44:09 -0500 To: pbrowne@idsonline.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Grips What model # Walkman do you have? I did not quite understand your directions. What part did you screw to the bar covers? Did you remove the covers to do this? Did you just wood screw it on or did you use bolts and washers? Is there enough clearance on the inside of the bar covers to use bolts? Thanks for the info. Chris ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:09:35 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Comet sightings At 11:05 PM 3/20/96 -0600, you wrote: >FYI Just got in from checking the comet in the sky near the BIG DIPPER. >While everyone is out there, take a peak. It is supposed to be really >spectacular on Sunday and Monday nites. Just my luck that it will be cloudy >here in the thawing reaches of the Wisconsin tundra. > >Bob I went out last night with a few friends to see the comet and sure enough, there it was in all its glory, but leave it to us Alaskans to complain about a spectacular auroral display going on at the same time because the light output from the northern lights dimmed the comet! :- ) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:39:31 -0500 To: JeffHO@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '95 shield on '89 PC? Kent hates us. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'lucas.m@nmaa.org'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:13:08 -0800 I've done a lot of 2-up touring with gear and my '89 generally gets better mileage this way than when it's just me. I'm baffled as to why but figure it might be that 2 people let the air smooth out better than with just one. Just my theory anyway. BTW: My mileage is already lower than most (38-40 single, 40-45 2-up). I have a taller shield w/ a windshield wiper on front to catch some of the wind. Groaning? Yes I hear it too. Kind of like an old mattress and you hear the springs squeak a little. I get sagging as well and will notice the sidestand doesn't clear the ground as well -- especially when I'm carrying all the camping gear. I rarely bottom out though when at the stiffest spring setting. I try not to mention all this as the lady friend is climbing on though. Last thing you ever want to do is even hint as is her rear end weight -- instant death. \"/ My general rule is that with more weight I've gotta baby the bike. I really watch for the bumps/potholes and concentrate on going smooth. Makes the ride more enjoyable for the passenger and gives me a grin for knowing my skills are finely tuned. A couple of smacks from the rear with her helmet and you'll have incentive to ride smooth. Hey, maybe that's why my mileage improves..... -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'ericeric@cris.com'" Cc: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Fuel Range Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:21:04 -0800 I've gone 185 2-up with camping gear and let me tell you I was seriously sweatin' it. Didn't run out but probably had just a few tenths left. Sunday morning on the Oregon coast during a holiday weekend and every little town we passed had closed signs. I went 40 miles with my cheeks clenched. Took 20miles before my girlfriend noticed and got worried as well. I now carry a dual-fuel camp stove when touring and that little liter of unleaded doubles as my insurance. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'KlassC@aol.com'" , "'pc800'" Subject: RE: Grips Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:02:20 -0800 I love the foam grips! Put a pair of Grab-on brand and rode with 'em about 18 months. No wear and much better comfort. Now have a pair of electric grips with a foam jacket. Much bigger in the hands and it's taken some time to really get used to them. Like the heat and willing to work with the bigger grips. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: KlassC@aol.com[SMTP:KlassC@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, March 24, 1996 11:58 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Grips > >Has anyone ever tried thicker grips? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:44:03 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range On Sun, 24 Mar 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > >I routinely get 50-52 mpg while on the super slab, and have gone 220 > >miles while only putting 3.8 gals in the tank. That left me a whole .4 > >gal, or about 20 miles at 50 mpg. I don't try this often, after I had a > >scare and the gas station I thought I would fill up at had closed years > >before, and the next gas was over 20 miles away! I generally count on > >46 mpg and schedule fillups between 180-190 miles, so that I have a > >cushion should the gas station I was counting on is closed. My gas > >guage usually hits the red at about 150 miles, I equate this to hitting > >reserve, and start looking for a place to fill up. > >-- > > > My super computer tells me that you got ****** 57.8947368421052632******* > miles per gallon. > An amazing figure? After some browsing in old schoolbooks I found the solution for my slight problem with the gallons and miles bussines ;) 1 gallon (USA) = 3.785 liter. 1 mile = 1.6 kilometer So I get 3.785 * 19 = 71.9km a gallon. Hmm, still km! 71.9 / 1.6 = 44.9 miles a gallon. What went wrong? As far as I know 19km/l is not a very bad figure (ZZR1100 about 8km/l :) But when I transform it to a gal/m it doesn't seem a very good figure. Is my calculation wrong or do I drive to hard? Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:28:30 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: Dentman711@aol.com cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: Fuel Range On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > > So I started "pushing the limit" and have reached 189 miles so far. Can > >anyone else tell me how far they have got'n? > > That's all? I go MUCH farther . I don't know how long your miles are, but up till now I've driven about 253km before refueling. I had to put 13.6 liters in the tank. According to the manual I've a 16 liter tank. (I've a '89 canadian) Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'JeffHO@aol.com'" , "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'GuntherSki@aol.com'" Subject: RE: '95 shield on '89 PC? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:25:15 -0800 Hate is kind of a strong word IMHO. Talked with Kent (email) about this and he basically was burned out and didn't feel he was getting anything from the group. Some might see this as arrogance but I really feel, from his description of things, that with limited time to spend he felt he'd rather go elsewhere. Still working on his house but had moved in last time we chatted a few weeks ago. -bryceu >---------- >From: GuntherSki@aol.com[SMTP:GuntherSki@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, March 25, 1996 10:39 AM >To: JeffHO@aol.com; pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: Re: '95 shield on '89 PC? > >Kent hates us. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'tscot@vvm.com'" Cc: "'pc800'" Subject: RE: New person Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:57:22 -0800 Congrats. $500 is an unbelievable price. Big time congrats just for that! Go for a RIFLE shield - $200. See the back of Cycle magazines for their little ad. Bike-to-bike with a CBR? Probably the new Chatterbox though not all folks like thing. Portable CD's are next in line but you'll have to get headsets and find a place for the radio (tankbag?). Cleaning the wheels: I spent the better part of a day cleaning them with wheel cleaner and Mothers Aluminum Polish. Lots of elbow grease before I got all the scum off of them. My '89 wheels probably hadn't been cleaned in years. I'd recommend taking the wheels off, find a comfortable spot to sit and work, and go to it. After the initial cleaning a regular scrubbing/polish will keep 'em clean. As for cleaning the rest of the bike try Honda's cleaning spray, SAENG Touring spray on Cleaner/Wax, or Lemon Pledge. The latter gets rid of the static and dust just blows off. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:08:08 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Address Book Hi All, I have taken it upon myself to attemp to compile an address book/directory of the members of our group. I have spoken to Neill and I left a message for Jason. While Jason's search engine is GREAT, it still doesn't allow for an easy look at who we are and where we live. Neill pointed out that the people that visit his site are not necessarily the same people that visit the e-mail list and vic-a-versa. A searchable log could perhaps be created in Jason's area but I am not completely sure about what is involved. I have downloaded, scrubbed, cleaned and searched the mailing lists and attempted to come up with a "complete" list of the mailing list participants. My intention is to post this list on my home page or attach it to Neill's (if he'll have it). The idea was to include name, city, state, bike, profession, e-mail address..... any bio type information that you would like to share with your fellow PC riders. Perhaps photos????? I have over 100 names thus far with varying degrees of detail. I would like to make sure that "we" think this OK. I am willing to put in the time to keep the list as updated as possible and I think it will make traveling and arranging group rides easier. If you think this is a bad idea or you don't want to be on the list, please let me know. If you think it's a GREAT idea, send me whatever you would like posted. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:19:27 -0600 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: index index pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Mar 96 20:20:19 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Fuel Range Hi, Eric. You wrote: >You know, I've noticed the same thing. I've considered throwning a can of >gas into the trunk and seeing exactly how far I can go. Been dere, done dat. 190 miles. (Of course, you have to estimate how much further you would go if you weren't lugging around that HEAVY 1/2 gallon of gas in the trunk ...) BTW: I actually did this during the (now famous) Mt. Palomar trip, so most of the 190 miles were in one-stretch of twisty two-up mountain sport-touring. Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Mar 96 20:20:10 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Hi, Dan. You wrote: >I can't find it on my large-scale map. West, I think. But I do remember >that looking at the roadmap, it was by far the shortest-looking route from >Palm Springs to San Diego. Went through, ummm, or near Rancho Mirage, >Indian Wells, and ended at the road that wraps around Mt. Palomar- that was >the end of the really wiggly bit. -dan Hmmm, sounds like SR74 to 371 to 79. As far as I know, it doesn't have a "cool" name (although a friend mentioned that there is a mountain road out of Palm Springs called the "Palms to Pines" road, and this may be it). It should be named though; it's great! As another friend (and aviator) said as we were leaving Palm Springs on that road, "We're climbing faster than my Cessna!" Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Mar 96 21:26:55 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: HSTA ListServer Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: 4th OHIO MOMMA's RIDE I would like to Invite y'all to come ride with us.... If you are in the sound of my voice, err at least in & or near the TRI-STATE area of Ohio/Ky/Ind. On Sat April 13 the Ohio Brigade of the HSTA will be having a ride-in of sorts to the World Famous MOMMA's Resteraunt, located in downtown LEESBURG, Ohio. If your nr Cincinnati, we will meet at exit 25 north off I-71 @ 9:45am Then we will ride to and meet up with some good ole HOOSIERS at Middletown Honda exit 35 of I-75 also state rt 122 at around 11am then we will head for MOMMA's as seen in AMA's Motorcyclist Mag....We hope to be there by 1:30pm For you folks out there that wanna look it up on a map, look at rt 28 east out of Cinccy, go about 1 hour east there's a town called LEESBURG in Highland CO. For More info: well just be there!!!! If your not a member of the HSTA, come find out what we are all about! Fireman Joe Beresford Ohio HSTA Newsletter Editor Cincinnati, Ohio ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 22:29:36 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: JeffHO@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: '95 shield on '89 PC? Since I run the '89 on a '90 and a '95 I assume the '90-96, which are all the same, will fit the '89. Now tell me which shell the peanut is under. ________________________________________________________________ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ________________________________________________________________ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of JeffHO@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 1996 4:56 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: '95 shield on '89 PC? Does anybody know if the windshield from a '95 PC will fit on the '89? I gather that the shield design changed at some point, but did the mounting hardware? Thanks for your expertise. By the way, whatever happened to Kent Polk? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jeff <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:42:18 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range Hi bas: Your math looks OK; so, it must be your throttle hand. :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:10:11 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles $5299 for a '89 PC? I only paid $5900 for my '94 new! Now I AM convinced that the PC has become the Harley of the Honda World..... Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:10:13 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Brake pads... Yes, this IS a serious attempt to re-start an old thread! I've got 19K on my '94, and I was wondering how long my pads should last. Not having any problems; just curious... #1: How many miles are PCers getting before they replace their pads? #2: Which color ERC pads did everyone like? I'm sorry--I wasn't paying much attention then. :-(( #3: A peek at the Manual shows that changing my own pads is probably a fairly simple operation. True or false? #4: What about rear drum? How long does it usually hold out? I religiously practice the standard 70%(front) 30%(rear) method of braking. Thanks a bunch, Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:10:17 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption and rear shocks 2-up 30 mpg sounds really low, even with stop-and-go riding. I've got a '94 and we ride 2-up all the time--much of the time with gear in the trunk. I always get 42-48 mpg, which isn't that much less than when I ride alone (45-50 mpg). That doesn't change much from city to country riding, either. My rear shocks squeak a little when Nan's getting on, but they don't groan. How loud's the groan? You might want to consider replacing the stock shocks with Progressives to balance the weight better. It'll improve the 2-up handling too. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Timmacy@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:10:18 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range So, Alexander, you have come to the inescapable conclusion (as we all have) that the gas gauge SUCKS! Mine does great for about half the travel of the needle--then it goes BOOM! right down to red! So I ride by tripmeter only. Going across Wyoming 2 years ago with my sons, I realized that I had gone 160 miles since the last fill and it was a LONG ways until the next town. So I feathered off as much as I could--maintained a steady 55 mph--and pulled into a gas station at 220 miles. It took 4.1 gallons of gas! Too close for me... OBTW, I once got 58 mpg when I feathered about 150 miles of riding down Interbore-5 here in Orygun. I was doing it on purpose to see how well I could do. Boring way to ride, tho. Tim Portland, OR timmacy@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:57:39 -0700 (MST) From: Eric To: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range On Tue, 26 Mar 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Hi bas: > > Your math looks OK; so, it must be your throttle hand. :) > > JT Ulp. I have never gotten much better than the appx. 45 mpg that Bas mentioned. Must be my throttle hand too. ;) Eric "Real men don't wear .sigs" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:01:01 -0700 (MST) From: Eric To: Timmacy@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale only 6k miles On Tue, 26 Mar 1996 Timmacy@aol.com wrote: > $5299 for a '89 PC? I only paid $5900 for my '94 new! > > Now I AM convinced that the PC has become the Harley of the Honda World..... > > Tim > Portland, OR > timmacy@aol.com The big Sabres and Magnas are right up there too. ;) Eric "Real men don't wear .sigs" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:11:37 -0800 From: Robert Mathews To: Pacific Coast Subject: Ortega Highway All, I sed to live in CA and I think that the HWY is Ortega highway, HWY 74????? I did it once on a 93 Yirago 750 and it is a blast..... When I receive my 95 pc800 I will have move to write about..... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: NThompso@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:59:04 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Ride for Kids In a message dated 96-03-26 13:02:42 EST, tinkler@ix.netcom.com (Brian Tinkler) writes: > >Please take a moment to read this post. It's important. > >Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States > >- Ride for Kids - > > >__________________________________________________________ > >March 17 - San Bernardino, CA - Dual Sport >April 21 - Houston, TX - Road Ride >May 19 - Torrance, CA - Road Ride >June 2 - Atlanta, GA - Road Ride and Dual Sport >June 22 - (Saturday) - Asheville, NC - Road Ride >June 23 - St. Paul, MN - Road Ride >July 7 - Oakbrook, IL - Road Ride >July 27 - (Saturday) - Marysville, OH- Road Ride >August 11 - Harriman, NY- Road Ride >August 25 - Belleville, MI- Road Ride and Dual Sport >September 8 - Monroe, WA - Road Ride >September 15 - Columbia, MD - Road Ride >October 20 - Vallejo, CA - Road Ride >__________________________________________________________ > >We invite you to review the Ride for Kids (RFK) expanded WWW >site which includes in-depth information on what has become >one of the most successful motorcycling charitable events >in America, thanks to many of you who are reading this post. > >You can pull up the 1996 RFK fund raising kit and print it >out if you would like an instant copy. It also includes the >1996 RFK schedule which has some new cities included in it. > >Sunday March 17th the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of >the United States (PBTFUS) hosted the first RFK of the '96 >season in San Bernardino, CA where 215 dual sport riders >joined together with several kids with brain tumors, their >doctor, the National Forest Service people and motorcycle >magazine folks. (You can read about it in Cycle News, Free 2 >Wheel and Motorcycle Product News). It was a perfect sunny >day and we all had a great time raising over $22,000 for >pediatric brain tumor research. > >Thanks to all of you who have been such a giant help to the >kids through your personal participation in the Ride For >Kids events. Because of you and a few thousand other >motorcyclists we can point with immense pride to the >motorcycling community and the motorcycle industry which has >become the largest group to support the search for the cause >and cure into this, the most deadly of all the childhood >cancers. > >Someone once said, "A man never stands so tall, as when he >stoops to help a child". Many of you are pretty tall dudes! >And the neat part is that we get to enjoy our motorcycles >while we help them. > >Please excuse the long note, but we are very proud of you >and hope you'll check out our new electronic address. > > > >Let us know what you think of it! We look forward to having >you ride with us this year!!! > >Mike Traynor RFKMIKE@aol.com >__________________________________________________________ > >Please feel free to forward this message onto other >Newsgroups and Listservers throughout the Internet. >Help spread the word. >__________________________________________________________ > >PS >If you are interested in the May 19th Ride for Kids event in >Torrance CA, and would like more information or want to >volunteer, please E-mail me at > >I would be most interested in hearing from club officers in >the southern California area. > >Thanks. >Brian "TINK" Tinkler, RFK SoCal Task Force Volunteer > > >*---------------------------* _ >| Brian "TINK" Tinkler | / >| tinkler@ix.netcom.com | TINK..... >| 1/1/96, Eudora Light | O O >*---------------------------* > http://members.aol.com/hstawww/ > Honda Sport Touring Association. > An information source for motorcycle sport touring enthusiasts. > > --------------------- Forwarded message: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: tinkler@ix.netcom.com (Brian Tinkler) To: bmwmc@world.std.com, hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu, labiker@ophelia.fullcoll.edu, wetleather-owner@onpmomma.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis), cookson@mbunix.mitre.org, laforet@netpath.net, cstringe@indiana.edu, bmw-r1100@cinnamon.com, nthompso@aol.com, harley-request@thinkage.on.ca, st1100@lists.cc.utexas.edu, HawkGT@dsea.com, mike@hyperreal.com, bcd@mps.ohio-state.edu, scott@ictv.com, pete@magicnet.net, remrich@kaiwan.com Date: 96-03-26 13:02:42 EST Please take a moment to read this post. It's important. Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States - Ride for Kids - __________________________________________________________ March 17 - San Bernardino, CA - Dual Sport April 21 - Houston, TX - Road Ride May 19 - Torrance, CA - Road Ride June 2 - Atlanta, GA - Road Ride and Dual Sport June 22 - (Saturday) - Asheville, NC - Road Ride June 23 - St. Paul, MN - Road Ride July 7 - Oakbrook, IL - Road Ride July 27 - (Saturday) - Marysville, OH- Road Ride August 11 - Harriman, NY- Road Ride August 25 - Belleville, MI- Road Ride and Dual Sport September 8 - Monroe, WA - Road Ride September 15 - Columbia, MD - Road Ride October 20 - Vallejo, CA - Road Ride __________________________________________________________ We invite you to review the Ride for Kids (RFK) expanded WWW site which includes in-depth information on what has become one of the most successful motorcycling charitable events in America, thanks to many of you who are reading this post. You can pull up the 1996 RFK fund raising kit and print it out if you would like an instant copy. It also includes the 1996 RFK schedule which has some new cities included in it. Sunday March 17th the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States (PBTFUS) hosted the first RFK of the '96 season in San Bernardino, CA where 215 dual sport riders joined together with several kids with brain tumors, their doctor, the National Forest Service people and motorcycle magazine folks. (You can read about it in Cycle News, Free 2 Wheel and Motorcycle Product News). It was a perfect sunny day and we all had a great time raising over $22,000 for pediatric brain tumor research. Thanks to all of you who have been such a giant help to the kids through your personal participation in the Ride For Kids events. Because of you and a few thousand other motorcyclists we can point with immense pride to the motorcycling community and the motorcycle industry which has become the largest group to support the search for the cause and cure into this, the most deadly of all the childhood cancers. Someone once said, "A man never stands so tall, as when he stoops to help a child". Many of you are pretty tall dudes! And the neat part is that we get to enjoy our motorcycles while we help them. Please excuse the long note, but we are very proud of you and hope you'll check out our new electronic address. Let us know what you think of it! We look forward to having you ride with us this year!!! Mike Traynor RFKMIKE@aol.com __________________________________________________________ Please feel free to forward this message onto other Newsgroups and Listservers throughout the Internet. Help spread the word. __________________________________________________________ PS If you are interested in the May 19th Ride for Kids event in Torrance CA, and would like more information or want to volunteer, please E-mail me at I would be most interested in hearing from club officers in the southern California area. Thanks. Brian "TINK" Tinkler, RFK SoCal Task Force Volunteer *---------------------------* _ | Brian "TINK" Tinkler | / | tinkler@ix.netcom.com | TINK..... | 1/1/96, Eudora Light | O O *---------------------------* http://members.aol.com/hstawww/ Honda Sport Touring Association. An information source for motorcycle sport touring enthusiasts. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 19:33:55 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: NThompso@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Fwd: Ride for Kids Neil, can you add a link for the RFK page to our PC800 page? Thanks Roger Prince XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of NThompso@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 1996 7:59 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Ride for Kids In a message dated 96-03-26 13:02:42 EST, tinkler@ix.netcom.com (Brian Tinkler) writes: > >Please take a moment to read this post. It's important. > >Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the United States > >- Ride for Kids - > > >__________________________________________________________ > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:55:40 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: Information Please I'm looking for a used PC up here in the Northeast. Need some knowledgable answers/verification to the following... Any differences in production years ? I understand 89-90 were initial years then jump to 94. What idiosyncracies (sp?) should I be on the look out for in selecting a used PC? Any wear items, common problems, imminent failures. Whats costly to replace that normally wears out? I read stators and melted dashs are issues... anything else ? Thanks in advance ! PS: Any bikes for sale ? ############################################################################ # Looking for: Dave Steven Have a nice '94 SL320 # # Honda Pacific 52 Payn Avenue I'll trade on a # # Coast Motorcycle Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Ferrari # # Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 # # # # Today's weather in the Northeast: Saw the comet last nite. What a sight !# ############################################################################ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:43:28 -0600 From: Bill Fortenberry To: PC800 List Subject: index index pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 26 Mar 96 23:51:41 EST From: Joe Beresford <73615.1475@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Timmacy@aol.com" Cc: PC800 Listerve Subject: Re: Brake pads... replace pads? What are those..............(grin) hum... I wonder if I have......I can't recall.....well as soon as the snow melts from in front of the garage I think I'll go look.......... i know its got 40k on it but have I replaced the pads............ Oil Check Gas check filters check plugs check tires check brake fluids check rear end fluid check radiator check dirty laundry bag in trunk check GRIN JOE 27 Mar 96 09:54:03 GMT+1 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Mullemeister, R.H." To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:53:32 GMT+1 Subject: cruise conrol Priority: normal Does anyone know the 'DANA Supercruise Plus' cruise control. It is actualy ment to build in a car but should be so small that it can be put into a PC800. It is -as far as I know- an American brand and is for sale in the Netherlands. I've got an older version in my car and it works perfect but it is a little to large to put in a PC800. I like to know what the price is in the USA... Rutger ***************************************** e-sign: Ing. R.H. Mullemeister private: 100044.662@compuserve.com work : Mullemeister@fel.tno.nl ***************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:44:02 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Range On Tue, 26 Mar 1996 JTSMCRIDER@aol.com wrote: > Your math looks OK; so, it must be your throttle hand. :) Thanks! About my trottle hand: I don't make long trips very often, 13.5 miles (one way) every day to work is about as much as it gets at the moment. Also low temps make the bike very thirsty. Next Saturday there's a trip organized by some guys from a dutch newsgroup, about 200km (125 miles) I'll post the result ;) --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ericeric@cris.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:16:22 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Ortega Highway Robert Matthews wrote: >All, > > I sed to live in CA and I think that the HWY is Ortega highway, >HWY 74????? I did it once on a 93 Yirago 750 and it is a blast..... When >I receive my 95 pc800 I will have move to write about..... Ortega runs from San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. That reminds me though, I should take a little ride up Ortega, it's been a couple of years. Eric Matthews 27 Mar 1996 16:52:48 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:50:18 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Anyone see the PC800 review in Motorcyclist? To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Page 19 of the May 1996 issue :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:59:01 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Fuel Range Sebastiaan wrote: >I had to put 13.6 liters in the tank. According >to the manual I've a 16 liter tank. (I've a '89 canadian) I have an '89 Canadian too, and one fateful night I actually managed the classic of the engine coughing and dying as the bike rolled into the gas station, and it was a surprise that it sucked up a teeny bit more than 16 liters. More often, I've had the gas jock ask me if I *had* run out of gas because he couldn't hear the engine running. -dan -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:59:15 -0400 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: First Day Out! + wiggly road question Steve Schibuola wrote: >Hmmm, sounds like SR74 to 371 to 79. As far as I know, it doesn't have a "cool" >name (although a friend mentioned that there is a mountain road out of Palm >Springs called the "Palms to Pines" road, and this may be it). It should be >named though; it's great! As another friend (and aviator) said as we were >leaving Palm Springs on that road, "We're climbing faster than my Cessna!" *That* I understand. I've since gotten a note back from a fellow traveller who confirmed that it is in fact the 74. Whatta ride! -- Daniel MacKay Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Daniel.MacKay@Dal.Ca (Daniel MacKay) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Range From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 27 Mar 1996 22:53:31 -0600 Lines: 17 >>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay writes: DM> I have an '89 Canadian too, and one fateful night I actually managed DM> the classic of the engine coughing and dying as the bike rolled into DM> the gas station, and it was a surprise that it sucked up a teeny bit DM> more than 16 liters. Urgh. So I've been reading all of this talk about how people get 200 miles per tank and I'm on my way home with the odometer at 177 miles thinking "no problem". And two exits from the gas station she putters and dies. I'm holding all of you personally responsible. So there. I really need a tune up and a carb sync. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 10:22:52 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Jason_L_Tibbitts_III)_tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Fuel Range ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 03/28/96 10:27 ## You must have let the pointer poke a hole in the gas line on the pump icon and all the gas ran out. These guys cheat and carry Sigg bottles. What grade fuel are you burning? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Jason L Tibbitts III) tibbs@hpc.uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 03/27/96 22:53 ## >>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay writes: DM> I have an '89 Canadian too, and one fateful night I actually managed DM> the classic of the engine coughing and dying as the bike rolled into DM> the gas station, and it was a surprise that it sucked up a teeny bit DM> more than 16 liters. Urgh. So I've been reading all of this talk about how people get 200 miles per tank and I'm on my way home with the odometer at 177 miles thinking "no problem". And two exits from the gas station she putters and dies. I'm holding all of you personally responsible. So there. I really need a tune up and a carb sync. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Fuel Range From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 28 Mar 1996 15:52:56 -0600 Lines: 19 >>>>> "RP" == Roger Prince writes: RP> You must have let the pointer poke a hole in the gas line on the pump RP> icon and all the gas ran out. That must be it. The funny thing is that I know I've seen the guage go lower then it did when it was empty. RP> These guys cheat and carry Sigg bottles. As will I. RP> What grade fuel are you burning? Dead boring unleaded. Why pay more if she runs fine on it? -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:41:07 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: Fuel Range On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Daniel MacKay wrote: > Sebastiaan wrote: > >I had to put 13.6 liters in the tank. According > >to the manual I've a 16 liter tank. (I've a '89 canadian) > > I have an '89 Canadian too, and one fateful night I actually managed the > classic of the engine coughing and dying as the bike rolled into the gas > station, and it was a surprise that it sucked up a teeny bit more than 16 > liters. That was a narrow escape! How many km did you do on the full(or better empty) tank? > More often, I've had the gas jock ask me if I *had* run out of gas because > he couldn't hear the engine running. -dan Haven't had that remark, but I get some awfull looks from people on bicycles ;) They think I'm miles of when I just zip by. Also surprised a good friend who was washing his car. I drove almost up his back before he heard 'something' behind him. I love the sound of the bike. You would like to have a light in the dash like the Lexus has to see if the engine is running ;) I hate the noise of the sportsbikes in the summer. When I lived at my parents, lots of bikes would ride past on a route laid out especialy for tourist over the isle I live on. The street was a mere 8 feet from the house.... Good riding, Bas --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:49:08 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Fuel Range On Thu, 28 Mar 1996 Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM wrote: > You must have let the pointer poke a hole in the gas line on the pump > icon and all the gas ran out. These guys cheat and carry Sigg > bottles. What grade fuel are you burning? Hmm, don't know if you'll be able to get it ;) I run the bike on Euro 95, the cheapest we have overhere (about $4.30 a gallon) It's unleaded with an octane number of 95. > >>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay writes: > > DM> I have an '89 Canadian too, and one fateful night I actually managed > DM> the classic of the engine coughing and dying as the bike rolled into > DM> the gas station, and it was a surprise that it sucked up a teeny bit > DM> more than 16 liters. > > Urgh. So I've been reading all of this talk about how people get 200 miles > per tank and I'm on my way home with the odometer at 177 miles thinking "no > problem". And two exits from the gas station she putters and dies. I'm > holding all of you personally responsible. So there. > > I really need a tune up and a carb sync. > -- > Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 > System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center > 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 --- Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl Url : http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/bsltwr (pages are in dutch) Snail : S. Kruit, Mauritsweg 43, 4325 AG, Renesse, The Netherlands ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:39:49 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@azstarnet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico I just got back from a marvelous trip into Mexico; from Nogales to San Carlos, to Matzatlan; then the ferry to La Paz on the Baja peninsula, Cabo San Lucas, Loreto, Guerro Negro, Ensenada, and across the border at Tecate. Sixteen days, 2500 miles. I did a summary, and I know that it's much too long, with I'm sure a bunch of uninteresting detail, but thought I'd send it along anyway. Regards- Ed Johnson March 27, 1996 Hi to Lots of Folks- I returned yesterday from a magnificent 16 day trip, on the motorcycle, into Mexico. This will be a summary, not only to let friends and relatives know about it, but also to review it in my own mind. It was arranged through Pancho Villa Moto tours, a Texas organization that sponsors many fascinating motorcycle tours in Mexico, Central and South America. I had previously gone on two Pancho Villa tours; one an eight day excursion from El Paso/Juarez into Chihuahua; the other a longer trip form McAllen Texas deep into colonial Mexico. Both were fine experiences. The organization makes all arrangements with hotels, takes care of any necessary paper work, and provides a tour guide and a chase vehicle in case of problems. I left home on the afternoon of March 11, and drove to Nogales. We had a briefing, bought some pesos, and had dinner at the hotel. The group consisted of two married couples, and seven men riding solo. The motorcycles included two Pacific Coasts, two Goldwings, two BMWs, a Yamaha Venture, a Honda Transalp, a Ducati, and a Kawasaki. People were from California, Arizona, Florida, Missouri, Illinois, New Mexico, Texas and Georgia. We left early the next morning, crossed the border with minimal fuss, and were on our way. We stopped in Magdalena for a soda and to check out a memorial to Father Kino, who brought Christianity and lots of important agricultural improvements to the indigenous people, from the old world. We stopped for lunch in Hermosillo and talked with an interesting group of Mexican college students, then on to Guaymas and San Carlos. In San Carlos we settled in at a very posh resort hotel, and enjoyed the pool and the beach. This was near the site of the "Catch 22" beach, where the movie was filmed, and adjacent to a new Club Med. In the morning, we headed back toward Guaymas, after a fine breakfast at Rosa's Cantina. The food throughout, incidentally, was simply great, and we all gorged ourselves. At one point Sam expressed a concern that all of us had, I guess; that Judy, his lady friend, might not be able to get her arms around him when he got back! Then we continued south to Obregon and Navajoa, including a brief stop in a village populated by indigenous people, remains of the native indian cultures, without influence of the Spaniards. Extensive poverty; the most obviously third world aspect of the trip. Then we turned East, or inland, and went to Alamos, a delightful village which has been "discovered" by Americans. We stayed at a wonderful old hotel, formerly a convent, and had a fascinating tour of the town, including a visit to the school house. I was impressed that elementary school age children were studying statistics in their math class, as evidenced by the work on the blackboard. As we left, we went up a steep hill on the edge of town, and were treated to a fine view. Clyde let us know that he didn't appreciate the cobblestones, however, and no wonder. They were about the size of grapefruit, and difficult to manage with a heavy bike. The following day we drove back to Navajoa, then south to Los Mochis and a modern downtown hotel. Kyle and I walked through an open-air food market- enormous quantities of fresh meat, fish, and vegetables, all looking great but without benefit of refrigeration or much in the way of packaging. Just a bit different that Safeway! Ken, one of our tour leaders, was from an American family influential in the early development of the Los Mochis area. His great-grandfather established irrigated sugar cane within about a thirty mile radius of Los Mochis, and built an enormous sugar refinery, which was owned by Ken's family until nationalization in the 60's. Ken took us on a fascinating tour of a museum with many artifacts about the early history of the area, and an absolutely amazing tour of the sugar refinery. It reminded me of the movie Batman. Lots of enormous machines, hissing steam, noisily grinding the cane, extracting the juice, and refining it first to a syrup and then to granulated sugar. The refinery processes 7000 tons of cane each day. Interesting to me was the fact that the entire energy source to run these enormous machines and the heat to refine the sugar comes from burning the waste cane in boilers to produce steam. Even the water was recycled! And yet, an OSHA inspection, I'm sure, would close the refinery immediately. Lots of safety problems were obvious, even to my untrained eyes. The day concluded with a marvelous dinner at El Farralon, a seafood restaurant. Unbelievable fish soup, like a bouillabaisse. We left the bikes in the parking area of the hotel the next day, and took a train into the Copper Canyon. It was about a seven hour ride, starting in the desert country of Los Mochis, and ending at about 8,000 feet, with cool air and Ponderosa pines. There was even a switchback! I was especially interested, because on one of the earlier tours, I had taken the same train from near Chihuahua west to El Divisidero, within a few miles of where we now found ourselves. The topography reminded me of the Flagstaff area, near the Grand Canyon. We registered in a rustic but comfortable hotel in Barranca; high ceilings, hand-made wooden furniture; then walked to the edge of the copper Canyon, and enjoyed the breathtaking views. An interesting group of Indians- the Tarahumara- live in the canyon, largely in caves. Several of us bought some baskets or other hand crafted items from them. We saw a demonstration of a stick and ball game, involving lots of running, and a Tarahumara dance. We listened to a young man play a guitar and sing Mexican songs around the fire in the lodge that evening. Romantic and fun. Wayne is a country music fan, and kept asking all the musicians we heard- mostly Mariachis- to play Willie Nelson's version of "On the Road Again", but to no avail. The guitarist, however, did manage a very clever impersonation of Willie and Julio Iglesias doing "To All the Girls I've Loved Before..." We stayed overnight, then took the train back the following afternoon. A small adventure on the train on the way back- the train simply stopped, apparently in the middle of nowhere in particular, and we sat for about three hours. A couple of times the lights went off, and railroad employees would walk quickly and nervously up the aisle. Rumors flew that there were rocks on the tracks, and coupled with earlier information that the reason that there was an armed guard on the train was because of a train robbery some time ago, we began to wonder. Any question was answered with a very polite "We will be underway soon". We never did get any information about what had happened. Bill, our tour guide, started a pool based on what time it would be when we got underway again. Kent and Vasa won a dinner on Pancho Villa! We arrived back at the hotel rather late- I think it was after midnight- but were ready to head south again the next morning. As we left, there was a road race n progress, so we got to see Mexican marathon runners. Incidentally, I was impressed with the warm and loving relationships of parents to their children in Mexico. You never see people being rough with children, or anything punitive. Wonderful! Dogs, on the other hand, don't seem to fare so well. If I were a dog, I think I would not choose to live in Mexico! We headed for Matzatlan, using mostly excellent toll roads. We passed through agricultural country, including lots of corn, some cotton and alfalfa, cattle, tomatoes, potatoes, wheat, and many small subsistence farms. I passed a semitrailer, loaded with live pigs, three tiers high! We began to get glimpses of the Sea of Cortez off to the right, and finally arrived in Matzatlan after a rather long ride. I was in Matzatlan some ten years ago, and it sure has changed. Much bigger, much more touristy. But a beautiful beach, and I sure enjoyed my several swims in salt water. We stayed an extra day here, so there was plenty of time to wander around the city, get laundry done, have a nap, and otherwise relax. The hotel, again a first class resort hotel, was fine. Our rooms were on the ground floor, right on the beach. Pancho Villa does it right! We went to "El Shrimp Bucket" for a great seafood dinner. What the restaurant lacked in authenticity, it more than made up for in just plain fun. After dessert, the waiters tied a bib around several of us, and we had a contest to see who could endure the most wine poured into their open mouth from a sort of cruet, head tilted back, from a height of a foot or more. Much choking, and I'm sure more that a few headaches the next morning. I think Russ was the winner! Many of us took advantage of some excellent shops, and bought items made of Taxco silver, leather, ethnic clothing, and other gifts to take back home. Lots of long walks on the beach, watching the pelicans, thinking about taking a para-sail ride, (decided against it!)and other totally relaxing non-events. A great time. I bought a blouse and skirt for Maxine, my wife. I was a bit concerned about the size, and assumed that the clerk did not have much English. She was also a bit flat chested. I tried to delicately explain that my wife, although quite small, was busty, without making any overt comparison to her, so as not to embarrass her. I guess I used some gestures. The shop was filled with tourists, and when the clerk caught what I meant, she said, at a very high volume, "OH, SHE HAVE BEEEEG BOOBS!" Everybody turned and looked at her, and then, of course, looked at me. I nearly went under the table. We left the hotel the second morning and went to the ferry slip on the edge of town. We loaded the bikes in the hold, using tie-down ropes, and found our cabins. Plenty of room, good beds, and a private bath in each. Not too shabby! The ferry pulled out at about 3:00. We enjoyed a lot of peace and privacy, read a bit, marvelled at the sunset, and climbed into our berths (catch that nautical stuff?) for a great night's sleep. Just enough motion and white noise, but a very gentle ride. As we awoke, we were nearing the Baja port of La Paz. We had a great breakfast in the dining room, disembarked, then went back on the ship at the lower lever to untie and retrieve the bikes. All was well. For me, one of the most memorable scenes of the trip next ensued. Pets are not allowed on the ship other than in vehicles in the hold, so a couple who had a barely full grown Golden Retriever type dog had to leave him, for 16 hours, in their pick-up. When they got him in the morning, I have never seen such a happy animal. He was ecstatic, especially when he found a tree. He couldn't decide what to do first, to nuzzle up to his owners, or to use the tree. He wound up doing both, in rapid sequence. Wonderful dog! We left the pier area and headed to La Paz. I saw the hotel, La Concha, where Maxine and I had stayed during an earlier visit. Some nice twisty roads as we went south to Land's End, at the very southern tip of the Baja peninsula, then started up the Pacific side toward The Cabos; San Jose del Cabo and Cabo San Lucas. We were to stay at the Posada Real, but it was full, so they sent us to La Fiesta, almost next door. It was a really beautiful resort hotel, very reminiscent of the Westin in Cabo San Lucas where Maxine and I stayed for an idyllic week last winter. Beautiful rooms, a great pool with a swim-up bar, and the beach right there. I very carefully took a swim in the surf, which was really rough. It was fine once you got beyond the breaker line, but took some careful timing to get through the breakers without getting banged up a bit. Through a lack of communication between the hotels, we had to move the second night to another hotel. Not like the Fiesta, but no problem. Dinner that night at a very classy Italian restaurant in Cabo San Lucas; a great salad bar and more of that incredible fish. We left the next morning heading north, and essentially on the way home. We stopped for breakfast at Todos Santos, then on through some barren and dry country to the East coast- the Sea of Cortez side of the Baja, and Loreto. We saw the Hotel California of Eagles fame, and continued north to Loreto. We got registered at the hotel- one of several La Pinta's that we stayed at. They were built and are operated by the Mexican government to provide the infrastructure necessary when the Baja highway was completed, for development purposes. I went back into town, partly to try to find a TV that was on a satellite, so that I could watch the U of Arizona-Kansas basketball game, but no luck The next day we left Loreto, where, incidentally, there seemed to be many residential American expats, and headed north again to Guerro Negro. (Black warrior; but I'm not sure if it's Black as in African-Mexican, or not.) The Baja surprised me. I had pictured lots of sand and boulders, and there was indeed that, but also amazing vistas of mountains, lots of vegetation, and an amazing beauty. Lots of Boojum trees, and they were leafed out, with lacy green leaves right next to the trunks. I had seen them before in the Desert Museum in Tucson, but never in the wild. And there were forests of them. These, combined with the Joshua trees, made one think of the illustrations in a Dr. Seuss book. After registering, most of us went back into the town of Guerro Negro to a very nice little restaurant. Fish again, but not getting the least bit tired of it. This was the day, I think, that Ron had a problem with the Ducati. A seal or something in the transmission went, which meant that the bike was disabled for the rest of the trip. Ron took it well, and Kent and Vasa, who had been riding in the chase vehicle with their bike trailered, because of a back injury that Kent sustained, let Ron ride the Goldwing So it worked out pretty well, since there was only room on the trailer for one bike. Musical motorcycles! In the morning, Ken had arranged for us to take a small boat into the Pacific to see if we could see any whales. I was a bit tired and leery of going into the Pacific in a small boat with an outboard, so stayed back, with Bill, read some more, and washed the bike. The whale watching trip was a great success, however, with ecstatic reports of seeing lots of whales and getting up very close to them. >From Guerro Negro we continued North through this amazing desert, to Ensenada. Ensenada is a big city, very cosmopolitan, lots of shops, great restaurants and bars, hotels, etc. We stayed at a fine old hotel, and went out for the final dinner of the trip. It was at a magnificent French restaurant, and we really did it up properly. Wonderful hor's douveres, (Wayne said, ""Wow! They have whore's ovaries"). Just can't take him anywhere! They included a great cheeses, a slice of pate, some veggies, and a pickled quail's egg. Many of us had a lobster. I had a filet mignon with mushroom sauce, absolutely superb, and chocolate mousse for dessert. Creamy chocolate in a dark chocolate cup. Super! Bill and Ken toasted the group, and we toasted Bill and Ken and Pancho Villa. Then to the hotel and getting ready for the final run to the border. Most of us had decided to go out at Tecate rather than Tijuana/San Diego, since we were going East, and the border crossing is easier, as well as not having to drive through Tijuana. We had breakfast together in the hotel dining room said our goodbyes, and headed out pretty much individually. I did see Bob and Marianne a few times on the way, as well as Wayne. But was by myself at the border. From Tecate I went East on 94, and decided to go all the way to Tucson wince we had gotten a pretty early start. The rest of the ride was fast, on I-8 and I-10, and pretty much uneventful. I met up with Russ at a gas stop, and was able to help him get headed to where he and Ron had left their pick-up and trailer in Tucson. Home about 5:00, after an absolutely incredible trip. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 20:05:56 EST From: "Ken Simmons" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: 1989 PC 800 owner Hi; My name is Ken Simmons. I am in Augusta, Ga. My 89 pc was bought new in 1991. The only change to the bike is the rear seatpad. My wife wanted more to hang on to and it makes it look less like a scooter. My mother says it is a yuppie Ninja with middle age spread. I like the trunk,despite the jokes. It stores my rain suit, helmet, and brief case without complaint. The only problem I have had is with the lift strut(replaced under warrenty) and the voltage regulator. I ordered a new one of those today. $150.00. I really think it should have lasted more than 4,000 miles. Is this a common problem with PC's???? I made it to my third battery before I decided the batteries were costing as much as a regulator. You pay one way or the other. The bike now has 7,000 miles. (I travel for the Army alot and spent a year in Egypt). I retire next month so maybe I can get out more. There seems to be only one other pc in town, a red/silver 1990? Enjoy...Ken (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:38:28 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:34:05 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800 Subject: Re: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico Sounds like a great ride, Ed! Nice & warm! -- Steve Gross "Get the retainer up front." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:24:36 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Re: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico At 05:39 PM 3/28/96 -0700, you wrote: >I just got back from a marvelous trip into Mexico; from Nogales to San > Excellent trip report .... Makes me jealous ! --- Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 53, Wife...........1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator --- --- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com 29 Mar 1996 09:39:55 -0600 (CST) 29 Mar 1996 10:38:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico To: edjohns@azstarnet.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Ed, the report was great. Congrats on a wonderful trip. How much $$$$? Have you taken any other trips like this one? What was your longest day in the saddle? Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #8380) 29 Mar 1996 11:56:55 -0600 (CST) id MAA21745 for pc800@hpc.uh.edu; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:56:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:56:53 -0500 Subject: PC800 Scratch To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu TO: PC 800 Riders FROM: Norskar@aol.com I did the stupidest thing a week or so ago. I got on my 95 PC 800 after scooting around my garage floor installing the battery and etc. Accumulated sand from my garage put minor scratches in the body of my "stealthbike" really bumming me out. Is there a way to polish away these scratches. BTW, I've used Lemon Pledge on my PC with great results. What kind of wax/shine should I use to maintain its appearance and, maybe, give a real nice gloss. Thanks Norskar@aol.com DoD #1398 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" , "'Norskar@aol.com'" Subject: RE: PC800 Scratch Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:25:03 -0800 I've used the plastic windshield polish to buff out some of the little scratches on my white PC. I'm not sure what it will look like on black though. I use a Novus brand polish and start out with the 3rd most abrasive grade and work up to the fine polish. There are 3 grades in all. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- >---------- >From: Norskar@aol.com[SMTP:Norskar@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, March 29, 1996 9:56 AM >To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu >Subject: PC800 Scratch > > > >TO: PC 800 Riders >FROM: Norskar@aol.com > > >I did the stupidest thing a week or so ago. I got on my 95 PC 800 after >scooting around my garage floor installing the battery and etc. >Accumulated >sand from my garage put minor scratches in the body of my "stealthbike" >really bumming me out. >Is there a way to polish away these scratches. >BTW, I've used Lemon Pledge on my PC with great results. What kind of >wax/shine should I use to maintain its appearance and, maybe, give a >real >nice gloss. >Thanks >Norskar@aol.com DoD #1398 >-- >Visit the PC800 web page at >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GuntherSki@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:26:45 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: The Mailing List Hi Everyone, Thanks to those who have responded with info about themselves and ideas for the pages design. The thing is up and working although it is not yet complete. Please point your browser at http://www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening You will see a disclaimer, and a link to the MAP. Then you'll see a map of the US which I have divided into regions, NW, NE, SE, SW, MDW, and the world. These will take you to the pages which have the actual info. Let me know what you think and also if there are any HUGE errors. If you want more info posted about yourself, let me know. Z ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Guntherski@aol.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:38:58 Subject: A mailing list tester From: tzedak@hudsoncnsl.win.net (Todd Zedak) Hope I've got the damn address right. Here's another shameless plug for the registration web page http://www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening Tell me what you think.... Post your thoughts for others as well.... Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: web site Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:07:54 -0700 Hey I can't access that web site. it asks me if I have permission to access it? can someone give me that web site again? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Re: web site From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 30 Mar 1996 00:29:41 -0600 Lines: 18 >>>>> "AG" == "Alexander D Gray" writes: AG> Hey I can't access that web site. it asks me if I have permission to AG> access it? can someone give me that web site again? Which web site? The one that appears at the end of every message? Or the one where you can search the list archives? Or the one with the list of list members and their addresses? I think that's all of them. The one at the end of every message probably has links to the rest (right, Neill?), so I'd put it in your hotlist. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:49:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Philip E. (Ed) Johnson" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pancho Villa Trip into Mexico Ed, Thanks a lot for writing up your trip. The write-up was not too long at all! I followed your write-up on a map and it sounds wonderful. I've been from my home in San Diego here to Cabos and back on my last bike, a Silver Wing, and have been itching to go on the PC. One question - did you acquire any info on the rates of the hotels you stayed at on mainland Mexico? I know what they are on the Baja, and I realize yours was an all incuded price, but I thought you may have seen the rates. I'm thinking of duplicating your trip, but on my own. Also, did you notice many campgrounds in mainland Mexico? Thanks, Ed. Richard Hardy San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Mar 96 23:21:34 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Ride Solo is back :-( Well folks, ol' Ride Solo is back and at it again! Believe me, Fairbanks ain't Oahu! At least today there is only a 40 degree temperature differenece rather than the 100+ degree difference there was in just the near past. Many thanks again to my new friend Ron! Buddy, you were super, thanks so much for your hospitality. Hope you know that if you come to Alaska (wouldn't know why you'd want to leave Paradise to do that!) you'll get the same hospitality from me. Also, please pass on to your friend, Gary, that I appreciate his offer to take me along on a ride. Too bad his work schedule wouldn't allow! Mahalo to both of you! Got to do a little riding while there. A day and a half on a bike on Oahu went a long way toward heading off my steadily-increasing case of PMS. It would be nicer if the speed limits weren't so low, but even at low speeds it's nice riding. Shoot, with my advanced case of the Alaskan version of PMS an old mini-bike on a dirt road would at least stop the shaking and nervous tics. (Fortunately the Alasian version doesn't include bed-wetting as some of the other types do!) Before I left I dropped the PC off at the friendly neighborhood Honda dealer with the instructions from Washington on carb jetting and an order to replace the blown fork seal and install new fork springs. The parts guy found a spring replacement set for cheaper than the one in the White Bothers catalog, so that's on its way. I'll pass on information about the source when I get it. The mechanic here had to call the mecanic down in WA about the jetting, as there were some differences in approach. Again, I'll pass on what ever info I get. (Bryce, thanx for the careful documentation.) Guess that's all for now. Sun's shining, water is DRIPPING off the roof, spring is on the way!!! Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:16:32 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: nurse@hooked.net (Robert Tuttle) Subject: Low gas milage.. Hi Guys, Just wondering if anyone out here in PC Cyberspace has any idea why my 1992 PC would all of a sudden start to get poor gas milage? I was getting 120 to 130 miles per gas tank...(freeway and city commuting.) Now I'm barley getting 90 mile per tank... My last tune up was at 8,000k. I have 10,005 miles on the odometer right now. Bob Bright Greetings and Blessed Be All ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 09:51:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 TankBag What's the best tank bag for my '95 PC. I'll be using it for a long trip from Connecticut to Nova Scotia this summer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Adrian Foley To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu.'" Subject: pc800 info Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:02:43 -0500 Hello All. I just subscribed to this list and I'm looking for any info/suggestions about buying a pc800. My friends and I are planning to take cross country trip and get as far as Alaska. Any info concerning price, model year, accessories would be much appreciated. Thanks, Adrian Foley Pittsfield, MA afoley@cbcc.bcwan.net Honda Nighthawk S 1984 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Mar 96 14:15:46 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Low gas milage.. Wow, 120 miles per tankfull? Sounds to me like you never were doing very well w/ gas. I regularly go 150 miles on 3 1/2 gals. I've heard that an extremely dirty air filter can really mess up PC milage. Also, past list-member, Kent, was real high on carb syncing to keep milage at optimum. Could it be that one of the coils has gone bad so that only one of the plugs in one of the cylinders is firing? Later, Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Mar 96 14:15:42 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Ride Solo is back :-( No, Jeff, it's more like "Han Solo" of Star Wars fame. I hang around with my trusty PC the "Millennium Turtle" and my good friend Obi-Juan Goula! Cory "Ride Solo" '89 Honda Pacific Coast "Millennium Turtle" '82 Honda FT-500 Ascot ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:46:39 -0600 From: Todd Zedak To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Mailing List Changes Hi and thanks for visiting the list. I have made updates and included information I was sent. Keep the info coming. http://www.win.net/~hudsoncnsl/pc800/opening Hey Neill and Jason, can I get a link from your pages Also, Neill, the form idea for submissions is a good one. Let's talk about how to best implement it. Todd ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:11:08 +0100 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: steven@capital.net (Dave Steven) Subject: What should I offer ? '90 PC800 w/ 6800 miles no extras/options two owners What should I bid ? What's reasonable to settle on ? Would like to hear from some of you who have bought used PC's in the last year. Thanks ! -Dave ############################################################################ # Looking for: Dave Steven Have a nice '94 SL320 # # Honda Pacific 52 Payn Avenue Lease for $495/mo # # Coast Motorcycle Chatham, NY 12037-1427 Trades ? # # Voice & Fax (518) 392-7234 # # # # Today's weather in the Northeast: Sunny; car wash weather today ! # ############################################################################ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Alexander D. Gray" To: "'PC 800 mailing list'" Subject: Light out Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:02:08 -0700 Ok gang, I need some help. I have my rear, (right side as your looking = at it) yellow turn signal light out. It still flashes when I'm turning = but the "parking light" you know the ones that stay on all the time is = not working. Do any of you know if this is a single light bulb or one = of those dull ones. Can someone please give me instructions on how to take the bulb out? do = I do it from underneath or do I have to take the trunk apart? Thanks for your help gang! your fellow rider, Alexander D. Gray smupony@infomagic.com in Flagstaff, Arizona ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 31 Mar 96 20:21:13 UT From: "Roger Prince" To: Norskar@aol.com Cc: "pc800" Subject: RE: PC800 TankBag I use the Eclipse Sportpack daily on my PC. RKA makes a nice looking bag but it's expensive. I've been wanting to try the RKA because it's shorter than the Eclipse but the price puts me off. The Eclipse is long and just fits. I had a Chase Harper Euro1500 but I didn't like the way it mounted. Dana Sawyer swears by it. ################################################################ *ROGER PRINCE 1990 PC800, 1995 PC800 *HSTA 23----HRCA 700096----AMA 759083 *PAcificCoastman PACman 3PCman ################################################################ ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: owner-pc800@hpc.uh.edu on behalf of Norskar@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 2:51 PM To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 TankBag What's the best tank bag for my '95 PC. I'll be using it for a long trip from Connecticut to Nova Scotia this summer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: "Alexander D. Gray" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Light out From: Jason L Tibbitts III Date: 31 Mar 1996 20:14:44 -0600 Lines: 19 >>>>> "AG" == "Alexander D Gray" writes: AG> Can someone please give me instructions on how to take the bulb out? do AG> I do it from underneath or do I have to take the trunk apart? Open the trunk. Take out the smaller hex key from the tool kit and unscrew the two allen-head bolts nearest to the trunk latch and drop the main signal assembly. Then unscrew the bolt directly above the blown signal and remove that assembly. The bulb should come right out; just turn counterclockwise. More troubling is the fact that the rear yellow signals are only turn signals; they're single element bulbs that aren't supposed to be on normally. If they are, something else is wrong or you have made some modifications. If you mean to say that the red running light is out then you can easily get to that by the procedure outlined above. It's a separate bulb in the main assembly. - J<