********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 00:37:25 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: (no subject) index PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:44:39 -0500 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Subscriber/Luggage Rack? In a message dated 96-01-01 00:27:35 EST, jleech@erinet.com (Jeff Leech) writes: > also have a question to ask. Has anyone seen any company that >produces a luggage rack for the Pacific Coast. I would like to add a >trunk on the rear ( I know, why would I need the extra space?). I could >just strap it to the passenger seat, (most of my travels are solo), but Jeff, I suspect (hope) others can be more specific, but it is my understanding that Givi offers a trunk and mount for the PC. Givi is sold in this country by an outfit out of Reston VA as I recall, but I don't recall the name (Perhaps Capitol Cycles?). They do advertise in some of the major magazines, though I don't seem to be able to find the address in what I have here by my computer. Hopefully someone else can provide the address or a phone number. BTW, this stuff doesn't come cheap! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 09:44:39 -0500 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Subscriber/Luggage Rack? In a message dated 96-01-01 00:27:35 EST, jleech@erinet.com (Jeff Leech) writes: > also have a question to ask. Has anyone seen any company that >produces a luggage rack for the Pacific Coast. I would like to add a >trunk on the rear ( I know, why would I need the extra space?). I could >just strap it to the passenger seat, (most of my travels are solo), but Jeff, I suspect (hope) others can be more specific, but it is my understanding that Givi offers a trunk and mount for the PC. Givi is sold in this country by an outfit out of Reston VA as I recall, but I don't recall the name (Perhaps Capitol Cycles?). They do advertise in some of the major magazines, though I don't seem to be able to find the address in what I have here by my computer. Hopefully someone else can provide the address or a phone number. BTW, this stuff doesn't come cheap! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 01 Jan 96 16:01:23 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Luggage Rack and Trunk In a message dated 96-01-01 00:27:35 EST, jleech@erinet.com (Jeff Leech) writes: > also have a question to ask. Has anyone seen any company that >produces a luggage rack for the Pacific Coast. I would like to add a >trunk on the rear Jeff, I just received the Givi brochure and price list from their NA distributor - Capital City Cycle in Ashburn VA (1-800-642-5100). The brochure is *loosely* translated from the Italian original text, and the price list is a little sketchy about which components fit with each other, but as near as I can figure: - a luggage rack is available specifically for the PC at $106.95 - from the one picture, it looks like it might bolt into the passenger grab rail holes; I'm not sure how compatible it is with the Hondaline backrest (if you have one). - the rack seems capable of holding about 9 (!) different top boxes, ranging in price from $157 to $280, capacity from about 20 liters to 50 liters, and looks from butt-ugly to a nice complement to the PC (again, from what I can tell from limited pictures). Some of the top boxes have optional light kits, backrests and luggage racks (price list is a little vague as to which accessories go with which box). I suggest ordering the brochure from Capital City, and peppering them with questions. I have no IMMEDIATE need for a top box, as we have yet to test the PC's cargo limits, even on a two-up weekend ride, so I haven't done this myself. BTW, Capital also included a brochure from "Bagstar" a French outfit which makes an intriguing (though pricey) combination - a full tank bra, color-matched to your PC (from the pictures of other bikes, they seem to do an EXCELLENT job of blending with the bike - in fact, due to the skimpy English in the brochure, I had to stare at the pictures for about 60 seconds before I could figure out what they were advertising!), with fasteners for a good variety of "Eurostyle" (ie. pretty gaudy by North American standards - full lipstick-red leather anyone?, but BIG) tankbags. The tank bra is $116-$124 and the bags range from $100 to $200. There is even a tank-top animal carrier! - although I don't think I could convince my cats to sit still long enough ... Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 01 Jan 1996 16:37:52 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Luggage Rack and Trunk Steve, Thanks for the info... Jeff with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 Jan 1996 11:47:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 11:51:40 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Utopia backrest for the PC800 -Reply Yes, I know I'm way behind on the updates but I do have them in the works. Harrison, I can scan a snapshot. Mail to 5640 E. Bell Rd. #1043 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 Include SASE if you want the snapshot back. >>> David Gross 12/16/95 10:39am >>> how about taking a photo of the bike with the backrest on it as a close up and posting it to the www page?? ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:40:02 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: b-dorman@miint.net (Bob Dorman) Subject: List Please place me on your PC800 e-mail list. My name is Bob Dorman from Kildeer, IL (northwest suburb of Chicago) with a 1991 PC800 purchased used from Northwest Honda, Libertyville IL with only 1800 miles on the clock. I plan to do most of my own maintenance. I would be particulary interested in anyone's suggestion for a driver/passenger intercom/FM/cassette setup. b-dorman@miint.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 15:19:10 TZ Subject: RE: List Email Majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu and in the body of your message write the following: subscribe PC800 b-dorman@miint.net You'll be added to the list and get a set of instructions on how to use it. In particular I recommend using the commands to get the archives. Intercoms have come up every couple of months and there's much to be read. I usually get the archices and use a word processor to look for keywords like radio, intercom, etc. Lots of discussion on maintenance, tires, oil, and other modifications can be found as well. Welcome to the group! -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:10 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Chatterbox Greetings from (cold but NO SNOW(?)) Alaska! A few months back we had a thread running about the dreaded Chatterbox communicator units. The upshot was that a few of you stated that you had one and were very unsatisfied, while Juan and I both said we are very happy with the operations and reliability of the units we have. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on another unit, so if any of you out there who hate the things want to sell, please let me know. Thanx Cory "Traveling Turtle" estescs_at_mobile@ccgate.eielson.af.mil **HSTA**AMA**HRCA**MSF** estes@polar.eielson.af.mil '89 Pacific Coast "RM" '82 FT-500 Ascot "Thumpr" '71 CB-350 "Junk Wanna' Be" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Jan 96 14:09:37 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Bob Dorman...help! Bob...I tried to send you an E-mail message but received a message telling me that it was undeliverable as addressed. Please send me both your E-mail address and your snail-mail address. I would like to send you some Honda Sport Touring Association material. Thanks! My best for the New Year! DANA SAWYER, Founder, HSTA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:34:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Eric M. York" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: 2nd call for help! Anyone out there have extensive body experience with the pc800? I disassembled mine for frame straightening, and foolishly did not mark a partikler piece for re-assy. Of course, now I can't figure out where this small (about 3 in. by 6 in.) aluminum heat shield is supposed to go. Help? Pleez? I can send a .gif or other graphic of the unit to anyone willing to take a shot at this. Thanks, Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 2nd call for help! Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 15:18:49 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "EY" == "Eric M York" writes: EY> Anyone out there have extensive body experience with the pc800? I I think Kent's probably the expert here, but several of us have the factory repair manual and would probably be willing to try and find that part. EY> I can send a .gif or other graphic of the unit to anyone willing to EY> take a shot at this. You can upload it to and I'll take a look. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:01 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Where in the World is Juan Goula? Hey you Southwest PC riders! I haven't heard from my PC-riding compadre Juan since he left here before the holidays. Did he turn up on any of your door steps down there in AZ or anywhere else? If you cross paths w/ him please pass on that several process servers and three young women with little babies have been looking for him! Also his neighbors are pretty upset about his leaving those three St. Bernard dogs locked up in his garage all this time. The water pipes only burst just a little, and the Mayor says he's really sorry about the shoot out the Fairbanks police had with the escaped convict and his 13-year-old girlfriend who broke into his house. The local glass repair place had to use sheets of plywood to cover the windows until the trucker's strike is over, but most of the blood came up pretty well. Please don't tell him about the fact that the escaped convict was a member of the Hell's Angels and, uhm...... Well, he sort of desecrated Juan's PC when he saw it parked in it's spot in the living room. (Most of the police bullets missed it, though!) Later...... Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jan 4 17:29:15 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:33:46 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: 2nd call for help! >>>>>> "EY" == "Eric M York" writes: > careful there is me EY. Murphey where "EY" is my given name and I too have a pc800...fortunately all its plastic is in place good luck with your EMY! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| E.Y. MurphEY EYonline@aol.com OR ey@forum.swarthmore.edu voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 fax: 610-789-1445 '93 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 as lifer HSTA#6485 Limits set the conditions of survival... within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction... so survival conditions the limits set. Maybe a metaphor would help? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| 05 Jan 1996 09:14:51 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 09:07:41 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: 2nd call for help! (from "Eric M. York" ) (at Thu, 04 Jan 1996 13:34:26 -0700 (MST)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Eric (Eric M. York), in on Jan 04 you wrote: > partikler piece for re-assy. Of course, now I can't figure out where this > small (about 3 in. by 6 in.) aluminum heat shield is supposed to go. I've had the whole body apart a couple of times now. I can probably figure it out. You might take a peek at the pictures of my undressed at the PC home page before sending a picture. Might find it there. BTW, anyone had any thoughts about reworking the trunk? A friend of mine runs a bike shop here. his brother has a renowned body shop which does which work for C. Shelby. About 2 years ago one of the local bike legends hit a deer on hwy 90 out in the middle of nowhere. Amazingly, a friend 'happened' by and found him lying off the road - at night! He recovered after a 6 mo. hospital stay. The PC's bodywork was completely in pieces, the frame was bent and the forks completely destroyed, the the guy rode the PC down to the ground. The reason he was in the hospital so long was because the deer 'scalped' him... Anyway, the bodyshop completely rebuilt the bodywork from the pieces except for one small piece that was lost. After it was all over, all parties involved wished they had redesigned the trunk :^) but noone has come up with a good idea of what it should look like. I'm going to have to repaint my bike before too long. Figure I might think about 'fixing' the trunk too... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 21:17:32 TZ Subject: Seattle MC Show gathering Jan 20. A few weeks ago I asked to see if anyone was interested in getting together and riding to the show. I've gotten a few responses but I'm going to have to bail on organizing it. Just got the word yesterday that Microsoft needs me to go to Bismarck to teach a class for the last 2 weeks of Jan.. (Yes I know it's WAY cold there.) Therefore I'm going to miss going to the MC show in Seattle and meeting the other PC800 riders. I'm bummed but I see it now as a good opportunity to learn how to snowmobile while in ND. \"/ Anyhow maybe I could get the Gross brothers to pick up the ball. The people I have inquiring thus far are: Steve Gross slgross@halcyon.com Dave Gross dkgross@halcyon.com Gaye Gabrill gaye@percy.rain.com. possibly with SO on ST1100 Michael A Jones mjones@calvin.linfield.edu possibly with SO on Virago Alaska Juan -- he said he'd be in the area but I don't think he'll see the emial. I got a little careless with my inbox and lost some emial. Sorry if you told me you were coming and I lost you. Whaddya say Steve/Dave -- will you take over? -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:03:29 -0600 Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:02:50 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" I know this is the wrong group to be asking this but does anyone know when (the dates) the International BMW rally will be this year. I believe it will be in North Carolina. Thanks Waldo (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:31:38 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 10:42:57 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show gathering Jan 20. bryce...sorry ya can't make it... steve and I are planning on meeting for Breakfast at the 14 Carrot Cafe in East Lake around 10am on sunday, then going to the show...all interested parties email either steve or I and we'll get it together!! dkgross@halcyon.com slgross@halcyon.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:14:01 -0800 From: Robert Tuttle To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: Subject: List Hi, I'm a new member of the PC800 mail list... I live in San Rafael, CA I have a red 1990 PC....which I bought brand new in 1992. I use my PC to commute to work and for pleasure riding. I look forward to hearing form other PC owners... Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:30:39 -0500 From: Dentman711@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! And it's a good thing he's on our side. Very entertaining observations. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:24 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! >And it's a good thing he's on our side. >Very entertaining observations. Am I missing something here? Maybe I'm not getting all the message traffic!? Cory From owner-pc800 Fri Jan 5 19:59:48 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 05 Jan 96 20:59:11 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! re: Dentman 711's comment >>And it's a good thing he's on our side. >>Very entertaining observations. Cory wrote: >Am I missing something here? Maybe I'm not getting all the message traffic!? Hi, Cory. I think Dentman is referring to my little "essay" on the various "ills" :-) plaguing the PC, posted a couple of weeks ago. Now that you mentioned it, I've posted a couple of things in December (including an open invitation for a day-ride to Mt. Palomar) and gotten a few replies, but not as many as I thought I might have. My messages get mailed back to me by Majordomo ok, so I've been assuming everyone on the list is getting them. Are you, Cory? Please respond to this message, particularly if you didn't receive it. (!?!? - that's a little like Les Nessman of WKRP going on the air with a live news report that the WKRP transmitter has been knocked out) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 06 Jan 96 13:51:07 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA List Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not fou ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Dana L. Sawyer", INTERNET:71430.340@compuserve.com TO: HondaPacificCoastOwners, INTERNET:PC800@SINA.HPC.UH.EDU CC: HSTA List, INTERNET:HSTA@LISTPROC.BGSU.EDU DATE: 12/28/95 10:55 AM RE: PC800: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not found) dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 28 Dec 1995 09:51:59 -0600 (CST) 28 Dec 1995 09:51:40 -0600 28 Dec 1995 10:51:39 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not found) To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA List Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mail Delivery Subsystem, INTERNET:MAILER-DAEMON@compuserve.com TO: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 DATE: 12/21/95 9:26 AM RE: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not found) (8.6.10/5.950515) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:25:19 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not found) To: 71430.340@compuserve.com The original message was received at Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:25:18 -0500 from mailgate@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- hsta@listproc/bgsu.edu (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 hsta@listproc/bgsu.edu... Host unknown (Name server: listproc/bgsu.edu: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 21 Dec 95 09:24:52 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HSTA List Subject: Ventura Bike Pack HSTA member Rob Pemble sells these packs, and probably has some in stock. I have seen them on several bikes, and they seem to work great! Rob can be reached at POB 569, Dillsboro NC 28725-0569, tel. 704/586-5074. He also sells the Ventura headlight covers, Saeng windscren edging, winglets and other goodies. I've known Rob for several years, and can vouch for the fact that he's a nice guy! He travels to a number of large motorcycle rallies to sell his wares. Tell him that the Fossil recommended him to you! DANA SAWYER ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:17 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! >Hi, Cory. I think Dentman is referring to my little "essay" on the various >"ills" :-) plaguing the PC, posted a couple of weeks ago. Now that you mentioned >it, I've posted a couple of things in December (including an open invitation for >a day-ride to Mt. Palomar) and gotten a few replies, but not as many as I >thought I might have. My messages get mailed back to me by Majordomo ok, so I've >been assuming everyone on the list is getting them. Are you, Cory? Please >respond to this message, particularly if you didn't receive it. (!?!? - that's a >little like Les Nessman of WKRP going on the air with a live news report that >the WKRP transmitter has been knocked out) Well, I guess things ARE working OK. Actually, I figured they were, as I've been getting my own messages back OK, too. Sometimes I'm a little slow, but as soon as you mentioned it I remembered the list you were talking about. Yep, really need to look into this PC thing, it's flawed for sure. I suspect that what it is, though, is that the designers were trying to please every one. After all, PC stands for "Politically Correct" doesn't it? Later.... Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Jan 7 11:07:49 1996 07 Jan 1996 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 09:05:34 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Chatterbox To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Greetings from (cold but NO SNOW(?)) Alaska! > >A few months back we had a thread running about the dreaded Chatterbox >communicator units. The upshot was that a few of you stated that you >had one and were very unsatisfied, while Juan and I both said we are very >happy with the operations and reliability of the units we have. I wouldn't >mind getting my hands on another unit, so if any of you out there who hate >the things want to sell, please let me know. > >Thanx >Cory "Traveling Turtle" They take some getting used to ('breaking' the squelch with the voice activated mic requires some adjustment) but I really like mine. I have two which I use even for two-up (no cord!) and they work just fine. There is some noise associated with in-town use (they pick up baby monitors, cordless phones and the like) but I've found that my newer one is far more resistant to this interference. If the interference gets to you, you can always switch over to channel 2 (they have two 'radio' channels and one intercom channel). Harrison 07 Jan 1996 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 09:22:57 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Day ride to Mt. Palomar To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu We just got back from our day ride to Mt. Palomar (I keep miss-spelling the Palomar name so please bear with me) ;-). Steve will be summarizing the trip and is a much better writer than I so I'll let him post the details. Needless to say, three white PC800s cruisin' down the road is quite a sight! I got position 3 so I got the best view :-). Another advantage was that they could not see how often I put on the brakes in the twisties ;-). We are planning another day ride next month (the third Saturday) up into the San Gabriel mountains. Since there are few restaurants, I was thinking of a picnic lunch at the top kind of a thing. Anyone with two wheels is invited! During the ride (we were by the observatory) I got some shots of the Utopia backrest for our WWW page. I need to get the film developed (cross your fingers) :-). We also took some shots during the ride (yep, while in motion) which might make nice additions to the home page. | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:13:15 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! Cory, I'm a newbie to the PC800 group and noticed a few posts from you regarding flaws. I don't have a PC yet but am seriously considering one, so I would certainly be curious about the flaws you mentioned. Assuming you aren't sick of answering this question a 1,000 times, mind sharing your thoughts with me? Thanks in advance, Alan Smith ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:56:03 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New subscriber Hi, My name is Alan Smith. I currently have an '84 Magna and am now interested in getting a Pacific Coast. I would appreciate any info on 1) the 3 things you like most about the bike and 2) the 3 things you wish were different about the bike. BTW, I am interested in getting a used one, so if anyone knows of one on the market, please let me know. I'm in Cleveland, where we may see any riding weather for a long, long time. Thanks in advance. Alan Smith ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: st1100@lists.cc.utexas.edu, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Just a Sunday Ride... Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 08:25:56 -0800 From: Gaye Grabill We'd made arrangements to meet Saiid at Coffee People at 10:00 Sunday Morning. His "Roadrunner" had been in the hospital since September, and he was anxious to ride again! Of course, being January in Oregon, it WAS pouring down rain, but hey, what the heck. We decided to go from Portland to Detroit, a beautiful ride up the Clackamas river, through many miles of pristine forest. The ride started well, we pulled out of Portland about 11:30, and headed towards Estacada. It was about 44 degrees, and the rain was coming down with a vengeance. I filled up in Estacada (the ST'ers of course, didn't need to) and we headed up the road. According to our previously agreed on plan, the ST'ers took off ahead, while I putzed along at a poky 65mph. The river was running almost full, the trees were beautiful with small wisps of mist curling around them. In spite of the pouring rain and a nagging suspicion that my freshly snow sealed Doc Marten boots were perhaps not entirely water proof, I was having a marvelous time. I watched the scenery, kept an eye out for errant cagers, and basically enjoyed myself. The road signs zipped by me: Deer Crossing Ahead (how do they know where to cross?); Speed Limit 45 (HAHH!), Detour Prepare to Stop (Hey! STOP!) Hmmm. Bridge out. Oh look, they've put in a temporary one. With GRIDS! And this cute little plank path. Sigh. Thumpetythumpetythump. OK, continuing down the road. Ah, the beauty of sweeping curves; lean... lean... lean. The trees flash by, there's not a car on the road, and I think how beautiful and peaceful it all is. ACK! Something brown bounds out of the woods. I take immediate evasive maneuvers! Unfortunately, so does Bambi... I hardly feel the thud that sends the PC and me sliding into the branch filled ditch. Sigh. I look up to see Bambi exiting gracefully stage left. OK, I've heard the horror stories, I know exactly HOW lucky I am. I get up to survey the damage. Not a mark on me, and the PC managed somehow to land on the crash protector that I messed up when I dropped her the day after I bought her. Yes, it could be much worse! I stand there in the pouring rain. Now what? I know there's no way I'm going to be able to get her out of the ditch! Guess I just have to wait for the ST'ers to figure out that something's wrong and come rescue me. BIG sigh. How embarrassing! I remember what my mother used to say about "not enough sense to come in out of the rain". Maybe she had a point. Grumble grumble grumble. Suddenly, I see a movement out of the corner of my eye. A large hairy man walks out of the woods and approaches me. MY! He is LARGE! And HAIRY! And look at the size of those feet! I'm still staring at him in surprise when he reaches down and picks up the PC. He carries her to the road, sets her down, and, realizing she won't stand by herself, looks at me in puzzlement. I finally wake up and run over and put the side stand down. He looks at me again, gives me a toothy grin, and fades into the forest. I get on the PC, and start her up and drive off. I'm still in shock, and wondering what I should tell the guys... If I should tell the guys... Nah, they'll NEVER believe this one. Eventually I start to recover and enjoy the ride again. I catch up with Michael & Saiid where they're waiting next to the road for me, and we decide to ride into Detroit and stop for lunch and a thaw. They take off again and I putz along. Looking ahead, I realize that I can see the ST'ers have turned around and are coming back towards me. Don't they look cool riding across the SNOW! Ack! PC's don't DO snow! Michael tells me to go slow and try to pick a slush free line. OK. I can do this. Finally we inch our way through the snow field. By this time I'm quite sure the Doc Marten's are NOT water proof, and my winter gloves are soaked through. I'm starting to shiver. Fortunately the town of Detroit is just ahead, and we stop for lunch. The restaurant is small and warm, the people are great. They clear off the largest table for us and we start peeling off our soggy clothes. I sit down and order hot chocolate to start. Michael and Saiid are talking but I'm not paying too much attention until I hear "get some of those dish washing gloves". Hey guys! I have money, we don't have to wash dishes. Huh? Wear them over our gloves to keep them dry? Oh... I look at the sodden mass that used to be my winter riding gloves and remember the only dry hand coverings I have in the PC trunk are my light weight summer gloves, and a pair of liners. OK, I'll try it! After we thaw and dry out (sorta) the guys go to the local general store and buy several pairs. We drag them on over our dry gloves and take off. They actually work! Of course, we are also making a bold fashion statement: Big Bad Bikers! Somehow I'm not surprised at the grins we get from the cagers we pass. We take the super slab into Portland, and other than one no brain that trys to make Saiid's ST into an unicycle, the ride is uneventful. We pull into the drive about 7, and climb off the bikes. There's an explosion of soggy gear in the front room as we pull off everything even remotely damp. Just another Sunday ride! -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:11 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! Alan wrote: >I'm a newbie to the PC800 group and noticed a few posts from >you regarding flaws. I don't have a PC yet but am seriously >considering one, so I would certainly be curious about the flaws >you mentioned. Assuming you aren't sick of answering this >question a 1,000 times, mind sharing your thoughts with me? Alan, Guess I was misunderstood, too! This whole thread runs back to an note posted by Steve Schibuola (?) about "flaws" he had found in the PC. The thing was posted with tongue firmly in cheek. As for me, about the only flaw I can think of with the PC is that I wish Honda had used the 1100cc v-twin from the Shadow rather than the 800cc. Even that isn't really necessary, as the thing has lots and lots of squirt just the way it is. (Probably just that American urge within me to have bigger and better!) I can think of other bikes I'd like to try out, but I know that when it comes to living with it on a day-to-day basis; traveling, errands, commuting, sporting, work horse, etc. The PC is very much my ride of choice! So, Alan, I urge you to keep considering. I'd be willing to bet you won't be sorry! The PC may not be the right bike for everybody, but the folks who own and love them aren't willing to accept just any bike, either. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jan 8 11:35:50 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Excursion to Palomar Hi All, I was in position 2 on the ride and I thought I had the best view. I could see a PC from behind as well as a PC from the front. It really was a wonderful trip because mother nature cooperated with us. I guess my wife and I are kinda lightweights when it comes to distance riding because the day trip just wiped us out. But we'd do it again in a heartbeat. Three white PC's on the road was some spectacle. I couldn't help myself watching the cagers do double (sometimes triple) takes at us. Since I got Cassandra (my PC) painted, I couldn't tell what a change the new color was (I'm partial color-blind). But right next to the stock paint jobs, my PC looked like an albino(sp?) or maybe rained on by Clorox. Boy, It'd be great to have some black and red PC's out with us. I brought my scanner along so I was listening in on Harrison chatting with his son David. When I got home, I realized that my Maxon communicators (ones with detachable ear piece and mic to mount on helmets) uses the same frequencies. I may bring them out next time and see if they work with the Chatterboxes. Can't wait till the next trip! ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:41:52 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! Cory, Thanks very much for getting back to me. Mind one more question? Just how much are you able to load in the bags and trunk? Thanks, Cory. Alan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New subscriber Hi Alan, I've had my '90 PC for 3 1/2 years and have put 54,000 miles on it. Things I like: 1) With its low center of gravity it handles very nicely. 2) Its versatility - its a good tour bike, but also makes a decent sportbike in the twisties. Of course, its not the best in either category, but if you like to tour as I do, but don't want to stay on the interstates, except when getting from point A to B has priority, I don't think the coast can be beat. 3) The convienence and capacity of the trunk. 4) Decent mileage - 40-55 depending on how you ride. 5) Decent power - tested by Cycle @ 0-60, 5.2 seconds. The only thing I don't like is the handlebars. I'm really a tourer at heart, rather than a sport rider, so I don't like the forward lean. Canyon carving is fun, and the forward lean is great for that, but I spend most of my time commuting or touring on the bike, so I like a more upright position. RIDER calls the position neutral, and compared to fully sportbike, I guess it is. But I like the cruiser/touring slightly swept-back position. This, of course, is a very individual thing. In 54,000 miles, I have to replace NOTHING, except the usual wear items. Richard Hardy, San Diego ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:56:07 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com (TOUGHSHOT) Subject: PC800 : SNOW!!!! Snow, Snow everywhere and my PC nowhere in sight! Here in Arlington, Va we got about two feet of snow. Anyone on the east coast able to venture out in this blizzard!!?? matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:25:19 -0700 (MST) From: "ERIC M. YORK" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, CORY wrote: > As for me, about the only > flaw I can think of with the PC is that I wish Honda had used the 1100cc > v-twin from the Shadow rather than the 800cc. Even that isn't really > necessary, as the thing has lots and lots of squirt just the way it is. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow. All things are relative, I guess. I got my '89 new in Nov. '91, and it is my 7th bike. I think the only bikes I have owned which were slower were my '76 KZ400 and my oil-spewing, near-dead '71 Sportster ;) Don't get me wrong, I love the bike. It is _very_ comfortable, and handles decently. It has a reasonable top end, and doesn't seem to mind going semi-fast (90-100 mph) for extended periods. The double front disks haul it down nicely from those speeds. However, its acceleration leaves a bit to be desired (for me). Uphill passing, especially two-up, must be _well_ planned. True, more power isn't necessary, but then neither is any bike bigger than about 150cc's. ;) Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:33:31 -0700 (MST) From: "Eric M. York" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: PC800 Mailing List Subject: Thanks for all the responses Hi y'all, Thanks for the many replies in response to my plea for help regarding the misplaced part. (Insert continuous blush here.) As soon as I have time, I will probably get back to a couple of you with further questions. Again, I appreciate the informative responses. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 15:46:26 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: ("Eric_M._York")_eryork@nmsu.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Thanks for all the responses ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/08/96 15:52 ## Be sure to let us ALL know where the darned thing goes! Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ("Eric M. York") eryork@nmsu.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/08/96 11:33 ## Hi y'all, Thanks for the many replies in response to my plea for help regarding the misplaced part. (Insert continuous blush here.) As soon as I have time, I will probably get back to a couple of you with further questions. Again, I appreciate the informative responses. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 16:00:28 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (TOUGHSHOT)_jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, "andy"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: PC800 : SNOW!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/08/96 16:06 ## Yeah, I'm out there. I put on my boots, TourMaster insulated riding pants, my sweater layers under my Belstaff jacket, my neckwarmer, my ear warmers, my visor hat (I wear glasses), my knitted helmet, my Thurlow deerskin MITTENS (Shearling lined) and start the 2-wheeler up and off I go into 12-18" of snow. First I blow away the snow in my driveway and then I do my neigbor's driveway. After three hours my arms are pumping up from working the throttle and clutch so I take a break while the snow continues to accumulate. I put the snowblower inside the garage between the two PCs so it doesn't get lonely while the snow melts off it and I have a beer. This is the third "one foot plus" snowstorm in a little over 2 weeks. I did manage a real 2-wheel ride of 40mi on NY's day. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (TOUGHSHOT) jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/08/96 12:56 ## Snow, Snow everywhere and my PC nowhere in sight! Here in Arlington, Va we got about two feet of snow. Anyone on the east coast able to venture out in this blizzard!!?? matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 16:02:30 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (TOUGHSHOT)_jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: PC800 : SNOW!!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/08/96 16:08 ## I heard Los Angeles set a record yesterday for the date at 86deg. Makes you feel worse, doesn't it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (TOUGHSHOT) jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/08/96 12:56 ## Snow, Snow everywhere and my PC nowhere in sight! Here in Arlington, Va we got about two feet of snow. Anyone on the east coast able to venture out in this blizzard!!?? matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:49:04 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! Hi Folks - >On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, CORY wrote: > >> As for me, about the only >> flaw I can think of with the PC is that I wish Honda had used the 1100cc >> v-twin from the Shadow rather than the 800cc. Even that isn't really >> necessary, as the thing has lots and lots of squirt just the way it is. The rear brake sucks, too. It should have been a disc. (A parts-bin disc rear brake couldn't add *that much* cost to the bike...... could it?) But that idea of an 1100 engine (tweaked a bit?) in the PC has a great deal of appeal........ Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:36 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) >On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, CORY wrote: >> As for me, about the only >> flaw I can think of with the PC is that I wish Honda had used the 1100cc >> v-twin from the Shadow rather than the 800cc. Even that isn't really >> necessary, as the thing has lots and lots of squirt just the way it is. >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Eric wrote: >Wow. All things are relative, I guess...................... >However, its acceleration leaves a bit to be desired >(for me). Uphill passing, especially two-up, must be _well_ planned. True, >more power isn't necessary, but then neither is any bike bigger than about >150cc's. That's kinna' my thoughts, too. I had originally planned to mention that the power was good enough for solo, but that for two-up it is lacking, but as I was about to type that out I thought about Roger and Carol Prince who have probably done more miles two-up on their PCs than anyone else IN THE WORLD. It sure seems to be enough for them! (On their THIRD PC, if you don't know them.) Roger doesn't exactly piddle around on the thing, either! Later, Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jan 8 18:08:58 1996 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jan 1996 16:29:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 16:33:43 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Web page As many of you have been aware, Loki Jorgenson of rec.motorcycles fame has been graciously hosting our web page for sometime now. Relatively recently, AOL has offered Web page service to its members. As an experiment, I posted a copy of the next edition of the PC800 web page on AOL. The new edition is not all that I had hoped it to be but one of the problems that I've been wrestling with is that I didn't want to burden Loki with lots of petty changes so I tried to bundle more substantial revisions. With the page on AOL, I can post changes directly from home or work as often as I like ;-). In my first attempts to access the page from work, performance varied widely. Perhaps it's just my imagination, so I am hoping that you folks will give it a try. (Give it some stick as my friends in the RAF would say!) Even if it is not quite as performant as I would like, I think we could keep the content more dynamic if it is where I can get to it directly. We may run into some problems with diskspace as AOL only gives me 2MB (I may have a way around this though.) For the purposes of a pilot test, I didn't load the whole picture collection (26 images). At the present, only the latest addition (Johan's Cassandra with the stunning white custom paint job) has been uploaded. Anyway, check out: http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 for comparison, you may want to check out the current edition at: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html On the new edition, under the heading of "Disclaimer, how to submit to this page, and revision history" I put in a mail link to my AOL account. I never approached Loki with how to do this from his system but it was a no-brainer in the new environment. Under the "Organizations" heading, I also added mail links to the listserver so that a "subscribe pc800" , or "who pc800", or other listserver commands can be sent directly from the web page. There are other enhancements listed in the "revision history" (but not the tire digest :-( that I had hoped to distill out of the archives). Check it out. Put it through the twisties and see how it handles. Load it up and take it for a tour. Drop me a line and let me know what you think. Some of you folks in the Eastern US should have plenty of time on your hands as long as you still have power and communications! In Arizona...well never mind. Neill Thompson "Prince of Dorkness" '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:00:17 +0000 Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i Priority: normal I'd go for an 1100 cc mill in the PC, but what about high speed handling. You would have to have a Rifle windshield I would think. John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:53:08 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: Just a Sunday Ride... >. Just another Sunday ride! > > > > >-gaye >-- >Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com This was a great story... get into print...who was that masked man anayway? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| E.Y. MurphEY EYonline@aol.com OR ey@forum.swarthmore.edu voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 fax: 610-789-1445 '93 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 as lifer HSTA#6485 Limits set the conditions of survival... within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction... so survival conditions the limits set. Maybe a metaphor would help? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i (from John Palfery ) (at Mon, 08 Jan 1996 19:00:17 +0000) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:55:23 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi John (John Palfery), in <199601090100.TAA01376@peter.atw.fullfeed.com> on Jan 08 you wrote: > I'd go for an 1100 cc mill in the PC, but what about high speed > handling. You would have to have a Rifle windshield I would think. As with most stock street bikes, high-speed handling improves quite a bit when you put real suspension components on the bike. And you'd most likely want to put a smaller windscreen on instead of a larger one. Otherwise all that improved handling would blow away in the (higher velocity) wind. :^) Besides, the PC is 'rear' heavy and needs a lot more weight on the front under heavy cornering, so you'd want to move the handlebars forward and down a few inches and then the small windshield works great. No helmet noise anymore either. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 08 Jan 1996 22:10:39 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 22:03:01 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Mon, 08 Jan 1996 14:36 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi CORY (CORY), in <9601082339.AA14538@hpc.uh.edu> on Jan 08 you wrote: > Eric wrote: [...] > >However, its acceleration leaves a bit to be desired > > That's kinna' my thoughts, too. I had originally planned to mention that the > power was good enough for solo, but that for two-up it is lacking, but as I [...] > It sure seems to be enough for them! (On their THIRD PC, if you don't know > them.) Roger doesn't exactly piddle around on the thing, either! The torque/gearing on the bike are quite a bit different from most street bikes. It took me a little while to figure it out, but you *can* really make the thing do pretty good once you figure out how to use it. Sure, it won't pull wheelies, but I consistently get moving faster with that torquey little thing than most sportbikes. People who ride with me and then try out the PC almost always say they can't figure out where I get all that HP from. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! (from Spencer Farrow ) (at Mon, 08 Jan 1996 13:49:04 -0800) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:10:03 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Spencer (Spencer Farrow), in <199601082149.NAA09566@radford.com> on Jan 08 you wrote: > The rear brake sucks, too. It should have been a disc. The rear brake isn't especially good, but then it doesn't really need to do a lot either. The main advantage of a rear disk is control, but with the suspension and tires I'm running, I mainly use the rear brake for low-speed maneuvering and track-standing at lights. > (A parts-bin disc rear brake couldn't add *that much* cost to the bike...... > could it?) Yep. Probably close to $500 list. > But that idea of an 1100 engine (tweaked a bit?) in the PC has a great deal > of appeal........ Anyone want to donate one? I'll figure out how to make it fit. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:38:09 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 20:51:55 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show gathering Jan 20. hey john... like the photo! cool paint job. what kind of windsheild is that? and where's your Corbin? :>) Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:09:59 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 23:05:28 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New subscriber Richard A. Hardy wrote: > The only thing I don't like is the handlebars. I'm really a tourer at > heart, rather than a sport rider, so I don't like the forward lean... Richard, it's just that you're too tall :) I don't lean at all! -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:38:11 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Excursion to Palomar Johan, How are the foot pegs and Corbin working ? Wes ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:03:18 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks for all the info... Thanks to all who replied regarding likes and concerns on the pc 800. Sounds like a well-liked and often-ridden bike. It does seem that a lot of you have a Corbin (I put one on my magna and love it). Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final request. If anyone has a copy of a mag road test, especially from Motorcycle Consumer News, if that's the right title, I'd love to see it. Alan Smith 7000 Fitzwater Rd. Ste. 203 Brecksville, Ohio 44141 Thanks again for the assistance. Alan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:27:22 -0600 Tue, 9 Jan 1996 9:26:45 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Thanks for all the info... At 09:03 AM 1/9/96 -0500, you wrote: Apparently the stock seat is that bad. After nearly 20K on my 90PC I find the stock seat to be very comfortable. Waldo GSU ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 09:41:32 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Thanks for all the info... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/09/96 09:48 ## I think the stock PC seat is fine although the jury is still out on my '95. That seat seems pretty mushy and may be defective. I suspect Honda made a change and screwed it up. I've ridden on a Corbin and wouldn't have one but to each his own. I wouldn't buy one until you and your passenger (especially the passenger if you have a regular one) make a reasonably long term comparison. I wonder how many have bought the Corbin because they are itching to spend money on accessories as we've traditionally done but there are almost none available for the PC. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/09/96 09:03 ## Thanks to all who replied regarding likes and concerns on the pc 800. Sounds like a well-liked and often-ridden bike. It does seem that a lot of you have a Corbin (I put one on my magna and love it). Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final request. If anyone has a copy of a mag road test, especially from Motorcycle Consumer News, if that's the right title, I'd love to see it. Alan Smith 7000 Fitzwater Rd. Ste. 203 Brecksville, Ohio 44141 Thanks again for the assistance. Alan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Thanks for all the info... (from cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith)) (at Tue, 09 Jan 1996 09:03:18 -0500) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:37:28 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Alan (Alan D. Smith), in <199601091403.JAA19465@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> on Jan 09 you wrote: > love it). Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final The stock seat is the best stock seat I have ever seen on a street bike. And I've owned 13 of them. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:32:06 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for all the info... On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > Thanks to all who replied regarding likes and concerns on the pc > 800. Sounds like a well-liked and often-ridden bike. It does > seem that a lot of you have a Corbin (I put one on my magna and > love it). Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I get a bit sore after a couple consecutive days of 10-12 hours in the saddle, but I never thought it was that bad...perhaps I'm just a hard-ass. ;) Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Excursion to Palomar On Tue, 9 Jan 1996 RETREADNY@aol.com wrote: > Johan, > How are the foot pegs and Corbin working ? > > Wes > Hi Wes, The Corbin was great for me, just as I had anticipated. But my wife says the backrest makes her recline a little bit more than she's used to. One of the disadvantages for being short I guess. I think I'll just get a longer bolt and some seperators to bring the backrest forward a little. She also says the space between the backrest and the seat doesn't offer her enough lower back support. While on the ride, I gave her my extra sweatshirt which she rolled up and stuffed between the space and she was happy. I'll probably get some foam or similar material and fill the space. The pegs are just the right height. I'll need to add some non-skid material on it so her boots don't slide right off on quick stops. Her boots are all flat bottomed. She says doesn't like being stuck in the grass or something like that. I'll work it all out. Thanks! On a side note, Harrison's driver's backrest looked really neat. Looks almost like it came from the factory. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:16:20 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! Hi Kent - At 10:10 PM 1/8/96 -0600, you wrote: > >The rear brake isn't especially good, but then it doesn't really >need to do a lot either. The main advantage of a rear disk is >control, but with the suspension and tires I'm running, I mainly >use the rear brake for low-speed maneuvering and track-standing >at lights. I suppose that's true. I guess I'm just spoiled; most of my bikes have had disc rear brakes, and the ones with drum brakes have been small enough that I could get pretty good results with them. I guess it's kind of a kinky fetish I have - I like to be able to lock the rear brake, if I want........... >> (A parts-bin disc rear brake couldn't add *that much* cost to the bike...... >> could it?) > >Yep. Probably close to $500 list. Wow, that much, eh? I wouldn't have suspected that the cost of a disc would have exceeded the cost of a drum by more than a hundred bucks or thereabouts. Where is the difference - more complicated machining or something? [Shows what clue *I* have about anything even resembling engineering. To paraphrase Dr. Leonard McCoy, "I'm a consultant, dammit, not a gear-head!" ;-) ] >> But that idea of an 1100 engine (tweaked a bit?) in the PC has a great deal >> of appeal........ > >Anyone want to donate one? I'll figure out how to make it fit. :^) I wonder if we could get one of the bike magazines to donate one? They must have a line on somebody who would give up a motor if they get featured in a magazine article. Hmmmmmmm.... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for all the info... On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Alan D. Smith wrote: > Thanks to all who replied regarding likes and concerns on the pc > 800. Sounds like a well-liked and often-ridden bike. It does > seem that a lot of you have a Corbin (I put one on my magna and > love it). Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final > request. If anyone has a copy of a mag road test, especially > from Motorcycle Consumer News, if that's the right title, I'd > love to see it. > > Alan Smith > 7000 Fitzwater Rd. Ste. 203 > Brecksville, Ohio 44141 > > > Thanks again for the assistance. > > Alan > The stock seat isn't that bad. It just doesn't form fit to your butt. It's actually quite fine on moderate trips and commutes. It's also softer than the Corbin. But I like the Corbin because it holds me in place even though it's a bit more stiff on my rear. My $.02 ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:44 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show gathering Jan 20. On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Dave Gross wrote: > hey john... > like the photo! cool paint job. Thanks! > > what kind of windsheild is that? > and where's your Corbin? :>) > That's the tall Hondaline shield. The bush behind it makes it look a little weird, I know. I took that picture before I bought the Corbin from Wes. The pictures from the Palomar trip will have the new seat in it. I've still got 5 pictures left to the roll. A few more clicks on my new house and I'll get it developed! > > Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog > "It's gotta groove..." > > ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Steve Gross Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New subscriber Steve, I'm only 5'8" - its my arms, short and hairy 32"! On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Steve Gross wrote: > Richard A. Hardy wrote: > > The only thing I don't like is the handlebars. I'm really a tourer at > > heart, rather than a sport rider, so I don't like the forward lean... > > > Richard, it's just that you're too tall :) I don't lean at all! > -- > Steve Gross > "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me > better instructions, right?" > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Alan D. Smith" Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for all the info... Alan, Corbins are great, no doubt about, but the stocks are not bad. I've got a custom sheepskin cover on my '90, and my buddy, Bill Andrews, has a corbin on his '89. He loves it, but my butt doesn't seem to tire any quicker than his. I've had sheepskins on my bikes for 13 years now. Richard Allan Hardy HSTA 4688 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 11:45:06 -0800 Subject: To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Apparently-To: pc800-outgoing Item Subject: cc:Mail Text INDEX ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 09 Jan 96 15:48:16 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Kent, you wrote: >The torque/gearing on the bike are quite a bit different from most >street bikes. It took me a little while to figure it out, but you *can* really make the thing do pretty good once you figure out how >to use it. Sure, it won't pull wheelies, but I consistently get >moving faster with that torquey little thing than most sportbikes. >People who ride with me and then try out the PC almost always say >they can't figure out where I get all that HP from. So, Kent, what's your secret technique? I've read the archives, and I don't think you've ever revealed it. Is there some hidden peak-point in the PC's powerband that I haven't discovered? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) (from Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com>) (at Tue, 09 Jan 1996 15:48:16 -0500 (EST)) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:30:36 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Steve (Steve Schibuola), in <960109204816_73414.466_DHS29-2@CompuServe.COM> on Jan 09 you wrote: > Kent, you wrote: > > >The torque/gearing on the bike are quite a bit different from most > > So, Kent, what's your secret technique? I've read the archives, and I don't > think you've ever revealed it. Is there some hidden peak-point in the PC's > powerband that I haven't discovered? Heck if I know. The human brain has this way of figuring out things using some sort of pattern-recognition technique which is also still undetermined, yet works. All I know is that I crank the throttle a lot. :^) ---------- Ok, ok... Start with the knowledge that the PC has lot of low-end torque and not much high-end (anything, except maybe noise). That means that you have to get things moving quickly in the 3k-5k range, which the bike does pretty well. Think it through a bit and figure out *what* gears and *when* and what that has to do with throttle position... High-end on the PC is pretty much useless except for throttle-steering, which it doesn't do too well since throttle- steering only becomes available around 6500rpm or so. I.e. doesn't allow for as much control as one would wish. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 10 Jan 1996 01:18:52 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:10:33 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally wackey! (from Spencer Farrow ) (at Tue, 09 Jan 1996 09:16:20 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Spencer (Spencer Farrow), in <199601091716.JAA12393@radford.com> on Jan 09 you wrote: > >The rear brake isn't especially good, but then it doesn't really > > I suppose that's true. I guess I'm just spoiled; most of my bikes have had > disc rear brakes, and the ones with drum brakes have been small enough that > I could get pretty good results with them. I guess it's kind of a kinky > fetish I have - I like to be able to lock the rear brake, if I want........... I agree. Just not to the point of paying as much $$$ at it'd cost. I only had one bike with a rear disk - an SR650, and I really liked it. Before that one, street bikes weren't generally available with a rear disk. The VF700S I had next has a drivetrain and brakes almost identical to the PC (and a lot of other things they share - like the hydraulics, etc) At first I really missed the rear disk, but the front disks had pretty much 'come of age' and I found I didn't need the rear as much as had on the SR650. The main thing I don't like about a drum brake is when it gets wet... > >Yep. Probably close to $500 list. > > Wow, that much, eh? I wouldn't have suspected that the cost of a disc would > have exceeded the cost of a drum by more than a hundred bucks or Ok: 1- the rear wheel hub already has to be large enough to handle a drum since it has to handle the drivetrain. Small 'pennies' to pay, especially since Honda has this exact type of wheel casting on several other bikes. What Honda has gear-drive and a rear disc brake to start with? (I don't know of one) 2- The brake assy is most likely an off-the shelf item that is pretty low-tech. I.e., no hydraulics. A rear disc would need hydraulics and hydr. calipers, lines and reservoir aren't cheap. 3- you'd need one of those heavy, cast stabilizers (which would probably cost $100 by itself). 4- Priced a rotor lately? So, I agree I wish there was a rear disk, but I think honda made a reasonable decision on this one... Besides, 10 of my bikes had drum brakes on the front too. :^) I'm still just tickled pink to have decent brakes on the bike :^) (Though my brake lines are getting a little mushy and probably need replacing before long.) BTW, if you ever have the opportunity to ride a front drum bike which has been sitting for a while, take the time to pull the front wheel and clean all the old grease off the shoes before you 'hit the road', or it very well might come true. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:29:43 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally Just a brief note to thank everyone for informing this newbie on the PC800. I'm impressed with the knowledge, wit and willingness to help of the group. I want one. Alan (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:18:05 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:13:24 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle MC Show gathering Jan 20. Anyone planning to go to the Seattle MC show? There are tentative plans to meet on Sunday, but I've already heard of at least 2 conflicts. Latest plan. Saturday at 10 a.m. at the 14 Carrot Cafe (Great cinnamon rolls), corner of Lynn & Eastlake in Seattle. From there, it's a 5 minute blast down I-5 to the convention center. Let me know if you're interested, & I'll hold a space at the table & some curb space for parking. -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:33:29 -0600 Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally At 09:29 AM 1/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Just a brief note to thank everyone for informing this newbie on >the PC800. I'm impressed with the knowledge, wit and willingness >to help of the group. > >I want one. > > >Alan It is difficult to find fault with the PC. If your other riding buddies make fun of you because the PC may " look like an overgrown scooter" or " you can't see the engine" just remember who really owns that problem. (Besides I can't see the engine in any of my other vehicles either unless I raise the hood. - except for my 20 year old snapper lawn mower). My 90 PC is the best bike I have ever owned and I have owned many,including several BMWs and I have over 200,000 miles touring experience under my belt. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 1996 09:11:16 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- PC power (or lac To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is... Hi Waldo, I completely agree with you assessment of the PC. I have probably 100K miles under my belt on bikes from 50cc to 1200cc in past 33 or so years (20K on my 1990 PC) The other day I rode ST1100, liked it very much, it is better than PC, but not 6-8-10 thousand dollars better than PC. I'd like to ask you about BMW. I just came from bike show in SF (San Mateo actually) and I am drooling after sitting (not riding) R1100RT. How would bike like that compare to PC, in your opinion. The price is approx. $16K. I don't have any past experience with BMWs. Thanks for your reply. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 1/10/96 8:39 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu It is difficult to find fault with the PC. If your other riding buddies make fun of you because the PC may " look like an overgrown scooter" or " you can't see the engine" just remember who really owns that problem. (Besides I can't see the engine in any of my other vehicles either unless I raise the hood. - except for my 20 year old snapper lawn mower). My 90 PC is the best bike I have ever owned and I have owned many,including several BMWs and I have over 200,000 miles touring experience under my belt. Waldo ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 10 Jan 1996 10:35:58 -0600 (CST) 10 Jan 1996 10:33:32 -0600 10 Jan 1996 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:33:29 -0600 From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:36:30 -0600 Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:35:38 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: PC800- PC power (or lac At 09:11 AM 1/10/96 -0800, you wrote: > Reply to: RE>>PC800: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola >is... > >Hi Waldo, > >I'd like to ask you about BMW. I just came from bike show in SF (San Mateo >actually) and I am drooling after sitting (not riding) R1100RT. How would >bike like that compare to PC, in your opinion. The price is approx. $16K. I >don't have any past experience with BMWs. Hi George, I owned a R75/5, R60/6, R65, and an R80RT. The best of all was the R60/6 I guess because I bought it out of a barn yarn after about 10 years of storage and totally restored it. Spent a lot of time with it and developed a realationship with it . Why I sold it I have no idea. Did log quite a few miles on it even though it was only a 600. The 1985 R80RT is a very good touring bike but is not nearly as smooth, powerful or efficient as the PC. (Same size engine BMW 40 mpg, high octane, PC 53 mpg regular unleaded) After 20k on the PC I would not want to go back to the BMW. In my overall opinion BMWs or overpriced and over rated. (That will be 2 cents please). I have seen the new R1100RT but not riden one. The price turns me off right away. ( I personally am not impressed with its looks either.) The biggest problem I have with the PC is the fear that they will not still be making them when I wear this one out. Hope this helps. Ride safe, Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 1996 09:59:15 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- PC po To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: Re: PC800- PC power (or lac Thanks for the info, Waldo. I owe you 2 cents now. If/when you come to California, let me please know, so I could pay or, better yet, take you for a bike ride. Honda sells PC under the name (I believe) Pan European in Europe. I don't expect too many chnges in the comming years, but I don't think they will drop it. On the other hand, the fashion of cafe racers came to USA from Europe, and now the new fashion in Europe, besides cruisers, is a kind of naked street bike (no sheetmetal). If Honda uses the PC assembly line for something like that it would be the end of the PC. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 1/10/96 9:41 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu In my overall opinion BMWs or overpriced and over rated. (That will be 2 cents please). The biggest problem I have with the PC is the fear that they will not still be making them when I wear this one out. Hope this helps. Ride safe, Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 96 13:15:34 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: RE: PC power (and Kent's Technique) Thanks, Kent (once again!) :-) I think I see what you're saying. In thinking about it, I realize that I've been "subconsciously" keeping my PC in the 3-5K range anyway when accelerating/decelerating - although the bike doesn't give you as much (any?) feedback in terms of noise/vibration/power-surge as others I've ridden, this "range" (I hesitate to call it a powerband) just somehow "feels" right. I look forward to trying it "consciously" now! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 96 13:37:29 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Alan Smith's Request for Info Hi, Alan. Sounds like we've pretty well talked you into a PC, but a few postings back you asked about magazine reviews. Ian Smith Information [(303) 777-2385, or IANSMITTY@aol.com or http://www.webgraphics.com/isi/] sells compilations of magazine reviews. They cost $18 plus $3 P&H (reports on additional bikes are $10 each). The PC one has 7 reviews from the major cycle mags ranging from 89 to 94 plus assorted articles and letters. The reports are a little pricey, but are a good investment (compared to buying the "wrong" bike!) if you're deciding between bikes. They helped to choose a (used) PC over used ST1100's (way too pricey for the extra goodies you get, and tougher to handle) and Concours's {Concourii ??} (more power and range, but too much noise and vibration) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10 Jan 96 13:38:46 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) The early-morning coastal clouds were quickly dissipating under the merciless onslaught of the Southern California sun as three color-matched (well, two cream-white and one custom-painted pure white) PC's descended upon San Juan Capistrano's historic main street, at the foot of the famed Ortega Highway. As the three intrepid riders and their companions exchanged greetings, each one knew that this was going to be a momentous, some would say holy, occasion. On this day, Johan and his wife Lillian, Harrison and his #2 son David, and Steve and his Significant Other, Patty, would set out to conquer distant Mount Palomar in the name of PC riders everywhere, particularly our snowbound brothers and sisters in the East. The sense of ceremony was overwhelming, and was scarcely perturbed when one (to remain nameless) passenger remarked to another "Can you believe it? We're going riding with a bunch of computer geeks!" After a few minutes of mutual admiration for each other's mounts and the assorted toys attached thereto, during which said passengers shuffled restlessly and murmured "Let's boogie," we were on our way. Since I was the most recent refugee to California, and my PC has absolutely no on-board communications, it was logical that I should take the lead. We set out from the old SJC mission, shaking its foundations and disturbing its bird population (which one week a year consists of swallows and the rest of the time of kamikaze pigeons) as our mighty V-twins roared defiantly (oh, all right, hummed along unnoticeably). As Harrison and Johan said, we were a sight to behold! Legions of Harley pilots pulled off the road and saluted us, acknowledging our Darwinian superiority (actually, most ignored us, some stared, and one or two waved). One FJ600 rider was so awed by us, he shot by on a double-yellow line, so eager was he to maintain a respectful distance. As we climbed into the mountains, our senses were assailed on every front - my SO rhymed-off the names of the various flora and fauna we passed, but I can't remember any of them; let's just say we saw a bunch of pretty trees, shrubs, bushes, flowers, and birds. As we climbed still higher and began to encounter Ortega's legendary twisties, I licked my lips in anticipation, and my SO tightened her grip on me, her signal for "not while I'm on here, junior." I settled back into a scenic (ie. slow) pace, although at one or two curves I couldn't help tweaking the throttle a little. As we came upon the inevitable slow-moving out-of-state cage, I thought I heard a sigh of relief from behind me, although maybe it was the wind singing through the canyon. We crested the mountain and, after a brief photo-op at a lookout over Lake Elsinore, began our descent into the valley (no, I don't know what it's called - I told you, I only moved here a year ago!). The appetizer portion of our motorcycle repast was behind us, and we settled down and superslabbed it south along I-15 toward SR-76, getting some great in-motion shots along the way (I hope!), and cleansing our palates for the main course to come. Turning east on SR-76 we settled in behind (in order of appearance): some big cage (a Buick, I think) with six rather elderly folks, a group of about a dozen GoldWings in stately procession, and a pick-up truck carrying a most foul-smelling assortment of paint cans. The olfactory melody of old paint, manure, and orange trees made it a little difficult to concentrate on the bucolic, rolling-hill scenery around us. Finally we pulled onto the Mt. Palomar road, and our objective was in sight (well, not really; there are a lot of trees and things obstructing the view). We began the steep and perilous ascent, our uncomplaining steeds attacking each decreasing-radius switchback with relentless, spirited vigor (ok, we poked along, looking for falling rocks and ice patches). Ice patches? Well, California or not, we WERE 5000 feet up. We spotted some patches on the shadowy hillsides, but the road was blessedly clear. At each turn we were faced by that old dilemma which plagues the best of California's roads - stop for pictures, or zoom on? We zoomed on, as if compelled by some intangible force awaiting at the summit (actually, it was a very tangible force - hunger! It was a half-hour past lunch-time). We sped on, leaving groups of masochistic bicyclists ("GAWD! Look at those calf muscles!") in our dust. Near the summit, we pulled into rustic Mother's Restaurant. We enjoyed the hearty country-cooking, as well as the incongruous out-building bathrooms with their floral wallpaper and motion-sensor sinks. Well-fed, we proceeded the last few miles to Palomar. As we pulled into the parking lot, I felt a sense of personal triumph. I've been here three-or-four times, and each time I managed to arrive at about 4:30, just as the observatory was closing. Not this time! We proceeded on foot for the last few hundred feet, and I actually got to see the inside of the darned thing! The Palomar Observatory is a big, quaint combination of high-science equipment and art-deco architecture. Unfortunately, you don't get to actually walk around inside; you are confined to a glass-enclosed observation gallery on the perimeter. But still, pretty impressive and worth seeing. As we climbed back on our PC's and prepared for an equally-enjoyable downhill return trip, we were already planning our next get-together. Its tentatively set for the third Saturday in February, this time into the San Gabriel mountains. Harrison is arranging this one, and we hope to recruit a few more people from the list! However, even if distance and weather prevent you from joining us, I know each one of you will be "virtually" with us in spirit! with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:35:08 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:39:50 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply Great trip report. I would like to add it to the trip report section on the web page. Group question: Is anything posted on the list fair game or would it be best to ask permission each time? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:20 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- PC po George wrote: >Honda sells PC under the name (I believe) Pan European in Europe. Not sure, but I think I heard that the Pan European is the name for the ST-1100, not the PC. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Palomar ride Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:13:17 -0800 From: Gaye Grabill Good story Steve! We need more of these... Steve and I have done our part; anyone else? -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:12:57 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply >Great trip report. I would like to add it to the trip report >section on the web page. > >Group question: Is anything posted on the list fair game or >would it be best to ask permission each time? Fair Game! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:45:10 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: The following trip report I also enjoyed the Mt. Palomar trip report. For that matter, it was much more the kind of thing I was hoping for when I joined the group. Really great. I'm reminded of "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" of a few years ago. (Which as you know was about neither Zen nor motorcycle maintenance) I read that long before I had a motorcycle, but remember the difference between the styles of two guys; one who was into the machinery; got all bent out of shape when the other guy shimmed a handlebar with a strip of aluminum from a beer can; and the other, a romantic, who only wanted to ride, to get the wind in his hair, to feel the romance of the road. I guess the answer is it takes all of us to make a whole. (I'll never be able to do it, but I wrote 2/17 down in my appointment book for a possible ride with the Mt. Palomar group into the San Gabriel mountains.) Encouraged by the report of Mt. Palomar, and Neill's wanting to put it on the web page, I'm adding a report I wrote after completing a trip in the summer of '94. I did it for a generic letter to friends and relatives, and for my own record, so it's mighty long. But I bet your computer has a "delete" button, just like mine- Just to keep Juan on edge- the temperature today in Tucson was 80. I spent an hour sunbathing on the patio. It's a tough life, but someone has to make the sacrifice! Warm (!) regards- Ed Johnson The following few pages present a description and summary of my recent motorcycle trip throughout the West. Probably the only thing more boring than someone else's travelogue is someone talking about their aches and pains, or a reformed drunk telling about his being sober. Anyway, to the extent that you might find something of interest, here goes.... My previous trips on the motorcycle were much more spontaneous than this one; no reservations ahead of time, and only roughly marked maps. That style has its advantages, but also some limitations. I would tend to keep going rather that enjoying the spot where I was. I'd get home a bit earlier than planned, having seen an enormous amount of territory, but not savoring each part as much as I might have. So this trip was planned in detail. I had reservations for all but a few of the nights, using the AAA Tourguide, and had planned many side trips and the time to enjoy each part more than in the past. It worked well. In a sense, this trip was a continuation of an earlier motorcycle trip. Several years ago, I went from Tucson diagonally across the country to Maine to visit my Mother and to attend a U of Maine reunion, then took the Bluenose ferry, went around Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and west across Canada. I had planned to go all the way to the coast, then head South from Vancouver on the coastal highways. At about Regina , though, I got a bit cold and tired, so I hung a left and came home through the Colorado Rockies, Utah and Nevada. First, a bit about the equipment. My motorcycle is a 1989 Honda Pacific Coast, known as a mid-size touring bike. I have used it for both touring and commuting since I bought it, used, in 1989. It's perfect for me; big enough for very comfortable touring, but not as big as a Gold Wing, which might be awkward for using around town. It handles well, and is especially comfortable and quiet because of extensive fiberglass body work. It has a trunk in the back that opens to hold two fitted soft cases. I used one for regular clothes, the other for clothes for the cold and wet, including an electric vest and a Gore-Tex rain suit. I also used a tank bag, with a map case on top so that I could have a map in front of me, and a tail pack to hold extra odds and ends. The motorcycle is quite unusual, since not many were sold, so it's a great conversation piece at rest stops, motels and restaurants. It behaved perfectly throughout. I had the oil and filter changed, and the fork seals replaced about mid way through the trip, but had no problems at all. I left Tucson early on the morning of July 21. A few days before the temperature here had reached 117, so I guess it was a good time to head North. I headed toward the Navajo reservation in Northeastern Arizona, and stayed in Chinle, near the edge of Canyon de Chelly. The following day I took a tour with a Navajo guide on an open 4-wheel drive truck through the base of the canyon. He pointed out many of the remnants of the Anasazi culture, including cliff dwellings from about the year 700; stunning scenery, including Spider Woman Rock. The following morning I headed to Chama, New Mexico, through pretty scenery, and stayed two nights at a Bed and Breakfast there. I met an interesting couple and their daughter from Albuquerque. The following day I rode the Cumbres-Toltec narrow gauge railroad from Chama to Antoinito and back. We got into some of New Mexico's high country, including Ponderosa Pine and beautiful long-distance views of the New Mexico scenery. After a second night in Chama, I drove to Moab, Utah, on the Colorado river. After an overnight there, I took a float trip ride for several hours on the river. Not really "white-water", but we did get wet a few times. We saw beautiful rock formations, and enjoyed the sun and the water. Tough life, but someone has to do it! That evening in Moab I met an interesting man from France, who was touring the West in a rented car, but on a shoestring. He was mostly sleeping in the car. His English was pretty limited, and my French is zero but we still had a great conversation. He is an artificial insemination technician, so we talked a bit about dairy cattle. This kind of casual connection occurred throughout the trip, and was lots of fun. The same evening I chatted for a while with couple- from Holland. He is a training consultant, so we talked about training techniques and materials. The next day took me to Rock Springs, on the way to the Grand Tetons and Jackson. I stayed two nights at an interesting little resort on the Snake river; the day in between I had another float trip[, this time on the Snake. We saw beaver, a bald eagle, osprey, deer, and several black bear. Jackson is an interesting town, too, with lots of outdoors type shops and interesting restaurants. I had a drink at the Grand Teton Lodge, overlooking some of the most beautiful mountains anywhere, still snow capped. After Jackson, I took the short ride to Mammoth Hot Springs in Yellowstone. I got excited when I saw a couple of elk along side the road on the way into the park. I stopped to take pictures, and felt really privileged. That night, however, I heard some snorting and squealing behind my cabin, looked out the window and saw a herd of easily 100, some walking within a few feet of me. The following morning a big group of them were grazing on the lawn of the hotel. I spent an extra day touring all through Yellowstone, and spent the night in my cabin again. On to Billings, and a tour of the battlefield where Custer made his last stand, and a guided tour of a mammoth hydro-electric dam; took an elevator 50 stories down into the dam to see the turbines and generators. >From Billings I went to Missouila, then on to Glacier National Park. I added Mountain Goats and Bighorn sheep to my sightings, and enjoyed the vistas of mountains, rivers, and forests. Glacier is twin to Waterton Park, where I stayed the following night. I took a delightful boat ride on the lake, and had lunch at the Prince of Wales Hotel, a really incredible Victorian building at the head of the lake. >From Glacier and Waterton I went on to Radium Hot Springs, on my way to the Canadian Rockies, and had a dip in the biggest hot tub I had ever seen; an olympic size pool, but at about 102 degrees. All the travel aches got soaked out in a hurry. Then on to Banff, a lovely Canadian town at the Southeast end of the Icefields Highway. I went to a fine concert that evening; several string quartets composed of teachers and students in a summer music festival. Great music. The road from Banff to Lake Louise is indescribable; you'll have to go there yourself if you have not already. Lake Louise is picture perfect; I expected Nelson Eddy in a Mountie uniform to ride by on his horse. On the way North, I took a marvelous tram ride to the top of a mountain, and had a great lunch buffet, including a steak, while looking across the valley to snow capped mountains and Lake Louise. I've been in the Swiss Alps, and I'd take the Rockies any time. The rest of the ride to Jasper took a long time, because I had to stop to take so many pictures; enormous glaciers all along the highway. I stayed at a neat little cabin at Sunwapta falls, and had an easy extra day, hiking to the nearby falls, and doing a lot of reading and relaxing. >From Jasper I moved west across British Columbia. Amazing forests, some open land, and lots and lots of space. I stopped for the night at Prince George, then on to Burns Lake- B.C. is sure big- and one more day to Prince Rupert on the Pacific Coast. Prince Rupert is just a few miles south of the Alaska border, and the home of a very smelly paper mill. The smog was enough to make my eyes sting. Up early the next morning to take a B.C. ferry from Prince Rupert. It must hold 100 or more cars and trucks, and perhaps 300 people. A beautiful ship, and a beautiful ride, lasting 14 hours. We were often close to shore, sometimes on both sides, as we threaded our way between islands on this inland passage. We arrived just after dark in Port Hardy, on the Northern tip of Vancouver Island. I went to my motel, and climbed into bed after one of the most interesting days of the trip. I saw dolphins, a hump backed whale, deer along the shore, and mile after mile of uninhabited wilderness. The ship was quiet, smooth and comfortable, with an excellent dining room. The next day I drove half the length of beautiful Vancouver Island, to Naniamo, and the following day continued to Victoria. I drove around the city a bit-big and busy, especially because it was to be the center of the Commonwealth Games starting the next day, but didn't really stop. I found the ferry berth and took another ferry, this time only 90 minutes, across Juan de Fuca Strait, to Port Angeles in Washington. The following day I went south along the coast on a trip to visit the rain forest in Olympic National Park on the Olympic peninsula. It was amazing; just like a tropical jungle, but in a temperate climate. Some areas get over 200 inches of rain a year. (Tucson gets about 10 inches!). The undergrowth is so thick and jungly that the seeds that fall from the tops of trees can't reach the ground, so take root in vegetation many feet off the ground, then send roots down, like vines. Looks weird. Sometimes seeds take root in the corpse of a big tree, so a long "hedge" of new trees can be seen, all in a row, where the old tree was down. Throughout my trip there was recurring evidence that the whole world is a system. The next day I went around the other, eastern side of the Olympic peninsula, to see more of the fantastic big trees, and then on to Olympia, where I spent the night with the Murdock family. Bob had been a good friend many years ago at Pima, and now works for the State of Washington in vocational rehabilitation. It was great to renew the acquaintance with Bob and Tyra, and to meet their kids. The next day I went to Aberdeen, then down the Washington and Oregon coasts. The classic photos of the forests on the East side of the highway, with the cliffs going down to the beach, and the enormous rocks in the sea, are for real. The ride was stunning; a bit of drizzly weather, but it only added to the atmosphere. Oregon was especially beautiful, with interesting little towns scattered along the coast. I stooped overnight in Newport, Oregon, and visited the Oregon Coast Aquarium the next morning. I spent a wonderful two hours enjoying the marvelous exhibits of fish, otters, sea birds, the ecology of the shore, and bivalves. The most memorable was a room-high aquarium with gorgeous jelly fish, making their slow and elegant movements. I spent a good half hour being entertained personally by three sea otters, who would race around their aquarium, come up to the glass just a few inches in front of me, roll over on their backs and smile at me, then swim off again. It's nice to know I have friends in Oregon. >From Newport I drove to Gold Beach, a bit further South on the Oregon coast, and the following day went on a great boat ride on the Rogue river. The boat was 43 feet long, probably 15 feet in beam and held about 60 folks. It was powered by three, 340 HP. engines, each running a hydrojet, which kept the draft of the boat to about 10 inches, even when loaded. We traveled at up to 40 miles an hour up this incredible river, often stopping for the driver to point out the wildlife. We say several Osprey, a Bald Eagle, deer, river otters, and the ubiquitous coyote, as well as a variety of birds, including Merganser ducks, and big stands of western hemlock and sitka spruce. We stopped at Agness, about 30 miles up the river, for a marvelous and leisurely lunch, then returned to Gold Beach. A great day. My next adventure followed a ride further South to Ft. Bragg. It was a half day ride on the "Skunk Train", a standard gauge railroad ride from Ft. Bragg, through magnificent Redwood forests, inland. Beautiful scenes, amazing trees. The largest tree on the train trip, not at all the largest I saw, was 1000 years old, and if harvested would produce $60,000 worth of lumber. Earlier in the day I had passed through much of Redwood National Park, and "The Avenue of the Giants". There is no way to say how impressive these gigantic trees are. I took lots of pictures, but a camera is a poor attempt to represent the majesty of these trees. The most amazing part is the sense of serenity they generate. >From Ft. Bragg I went to San Francisco, across the golden Gate Bridge, in very heavy traffic, to visit a friend, John Kent. He lives in a delightful house, with a large picture window looking out over the city. He loves San Francisco, with its great sense of neighborliness, and a marvelous mix of people all of whom seem to care for each other. San Francisco seems to have all the advantages of an enormous cosmopolitan area- we went to a restaurant adjacent to the opera building, where the waiters and waitresses sing arias in between serving the patrons- as well as the charm and closeness of a small town. I left San Francisco, driving carefully on a complex set of freeways, and pointed the bike East toward Yosemite. I'm running out of superlatives, but Yosemite seems to put it all together. Great vistas, forests, redwoods, amazing mountains like Half Dome and El Capitan, as you have seen in the Ansel Adams photos, animals- I had a bear bound across the highway just in front of me, close enough so that I had to slow down quickly-rivers and falls, and that sense of majesty and serenity that pervades it all. It was very crowded, but still manageable. I treated myself to a great dinner- roast beef, steamed vegetables, and a very nice wine- and felt pretty good about everything, especially my good fortune in being able to take this trip. The following two days were long and hot drives south from Yosemite to Bakersfield, then East across the Mojave desert to Needles on the Colorado, and home. Despite having taken this road many times before, I was again struck by the rapture of the desert, the gorgeous mountains and the sense of scale. I arrived home on Sunday, August 28. The trip included 12 states or provinces, and missed Idaho, Nevada and Alaska by only about 50 miles each. I went 6728 miles, and took over 300 pictures. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:51:49 -0700 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson) Subject: Fragments??? Sorry about all those fragments of my trip report. But still, it seems to be complete without the fragments. Did I do something wrong when sending it? Ed ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:16 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: The following trip report Don't even worry about keeping Juan on edge...............the wimp lift the state!!!!!!!!!!! He and his wife are now somewhere SOUTH of here. It's ME on edge today! Right now it's -35 and falling!!!!!! Can't wait till spring. Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jan 10 20:24:17 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:24:14 -0600 Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:23:19 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: The following trip report At 05:16 PM 1/10/96 -0800, you wrote: >Don't even worry about keeping Juan on edge...............the wimp lift the >state!!!!!!!!!!! He and his wife are now somewhere SOUTH of here. > >It's ME on edge today! Right now it's -35 and falling!!!!!! > >Can't wait till spring. > >Cory > It was a bone chilling 55 degrees here in southeast Georgia today. I can't wait till spring either. Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:31 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Cold PC Rider Waldo, Laugh all you want! I'll bet I enjoy a beautiful summer day on the PC more than most people! Watch me as I ride down the road, you'll see my lips moving. That's me singing: Memories, all alone in the Ice Fog I was freezing my butt off, but now I'm so warm! If you touch me you'll understand what frozen is, it's a new day, and now I'm thawed. I was just told that the -35 and falling we have now will be -45 (!!!&%#$&^%$#) by tomorrow. :-( Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jan 10 20:57:23 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:56:07 +0000 Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i Priority: normal Kent you wrote -- > Hi John (John Palfery), in <199601090100.TAA01376@peter.atw.fullfeed.com> on Jan 08 you wrote: > > > I'd go for an 1100 cc mill in the PC, but what about high speed > > handling. You would have to have a Rifle windshield I would think. > > As with most stock street bikes, high-speed handling improves quite > a bit when you put real suspension components on the bike. And > you'd most likely want to put a smaller windscreen on instead > of a larger one. Otherwise all that improved handling would blow > away in the (higher velocity) wind. :^) Besides, the PC is 'rear' > heavy and needs a lot more weight on the front under heavy cornering, > so you'd want to move the handlebars forward and down a few inches > and then the small windshield works great. No helmet noise anymore > either. Its kinda just sittin round the fire dreamin' an looking at all the snow and ice on the roadf up here. I actually find the PC quite adequate even with the two of us and I agree with youabout the low end torquyness of the bike. One-up I have suprised quite a few squid afficiundos, not left them in the dust you understand but SUPRISED them that I'm still close on their tail into and out of the corners. I enentually catch up when I get left behind and by the end of the day I much sharper than they are 'cause their getting tired. cogitating, just thinking ----- 1100 shaddow mill from wifes bike ? umm Lower the front end huh? more weight on the front, lets see ummm -- lighter trunk lower windshield umm where's my fortran compiler --- Cd about 0.14 Drag=Cd x one half Ro Vsquared x Wheelbase Weight = 687 with new mill ummm Torque ???------ HP --- mmmm throw another log on the fire this could be an interesting project, ummm need battleaxe on the front metzler on the back, low rifle shield >>>>>>>> umm 0 to 60 in 3.5 135 standing quater mile steath paint > DREAMIN>DREAMIN > DREAMIN' John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:01:33 +0000 Subject: RE: The following trip report Priority: normal > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:16 -0800 > It's ME on edge today! Right now it's -35 and falling!!!!!! > > Can't wait till spring. > > Cory > Spring what? lost a spring ? Lotsa spring HIBERNATE HIBernate ....why doesn't he just HIBERNATE!! John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:04 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Thanks for all the info... Alan wrote: >Thanks to all who replied regarding likes and concerns on the pc >800. ........... Apparently the stock seat is that bad. One final >request. If anyone has a copy of a mag road test, especially >from Motorcycle Consumer News, if that's the right title, I'd >love to see it. > > Alan Smith > 7000 Fitzwater Rd. Ste. 203 > Brecksville, Ohio 44141 > > >Thanks again for the assistance. Alan, First off, the seat is really pretty good. A little bit more "sculpting" in the shape would be nice, but it's support (or lack of it) and firmness (or lack of it) that's important in a motorcycle seat. It's a great seat. For me, my money would be better spent to buy the back rest kit, that has been covered here on the list in the last few weeks, for less than half the $$$$ of the Corbin. Each to his or her own, though. I've got copies of articles from a couple of the '89 write ups and was going to offer to send them to you, (which I will gladly do) but the suggestion that came up about the Ian Smith product was right on. He provides a great quality product. It ain't cheap, but it you want the entire story it's the only way to go. I was having trouble getting info on my '82 FT-500 Ascot. The package I got on it was small, but contained all there was available. One more thing, if you get articles about the PC, keep in mind that the moto- journalists only seem to be impressed with quarter mile times, fully adjustable rebound dampening, and if they would have the bike in THEIR OWN stable. They haven't been too kind to it in the write-ups, but their reasoning usually didn't hold water in my book. Later.... Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jan 10 21:14:17 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:11 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: The following trip report John wrote: >Spring what? lost a spring ? Lotsa spring >HIBERNATE HIBernate ....why doesn't he just HIBERNATE!! Wow, what a concept! My boss doesn't have a life, though, and after a couple of days he'd come looking for me. Besides, with my luch I'd sleep right through spring and get stuck installing those new fork seals while all the other Polar Bears are out riding. Wouldn't that be a pit? Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jan 10 22:28:17 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:29:00 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@InnovSoftD.com (Ray Nielsen) Subject: New user Howdy, I'm new to this whole internet thing, so I'll probably mutilate some protocols before I learn my way around. I'm Ray Nielsen of Minneapolis, Minnesota and I have an 89 PC 800. It's currently asleep in the garage with about 80K miles since purchase in 91. I'm lucky to be able to arrange for lots of time off each summer and often try to get in 15-18K miles each season. My PC has been relatively trouble free, with only one stator and one rear drive bearing needing replacement. I do all my own work and have worked as a motorcycle mechanic for a short time. I couldn't afford to keep at it and have reverted to my regular field as a biomedical electronic technician. As a gearhead I've always had an interest in how things work and I enjoy putzing around with the PC a bit. I've made plastic wind deflectors to eliminate the wind up the pants leg phenomenon. I've added handlebar heaters (useful in MN), a Rifle fairing, Corbin seat and a few minor changes like fork gaiters, a heat shield for the rear tire and a switch to allow manual control of the cooling fan. I've found ways to keep maintenance simple and cheap, using an air cleaner element from a Dodge to keep from paying Honda the $38 or so they wanted for one. I've upgraded the carbs to the latest jets and needles and "deslopped" the front forks to eliminate a head shake problem I noticed. I'll be interested to learn of your experiences with the PC and will be ready to offer any help I can toward repairs and improvements. I'll be checking in often and welcome any comments or help you can offer as well. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:37:24 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@InnovSoftD.com (Ray Nielsen) Boy, talk about a bonehead stunt. I left an introduction to me and my PC and never gave my internet address. It's: rnielsen@isd.net Full name is Ray Nielsen (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:48:01 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:43:13 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) Great report! -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:52:26 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:47:38 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i John Palfery wrote: ... "where's my fortran compiler ---" Shame on you for even knowing what one of those is! Take a hammer & screwdriver, & soup it up! %) -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: New user (from rnielsen@InnovSoftD.com (Ray Nielsen)) (at Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:29:00 -0600) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:46:47 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Ray (Ray Nielsen), in <199601110429.WAA16768@InnovSoftD.com> on Jan 10 you wrote: > simple and cheap, using an air cleaner element from a Dodge to keep from > paying Honda the $38 or so they wanted for one. I've upgraded the carbs to > the latest jets and needles and "deslopped" the front forks to eliminate a > head shake problem I noticed. I'll be interested to learn of your Maybe go into further detail on these... What do you mean by 'latest'? What were the sizes etc.? and what did you do to 'deslop'? I raised the forks in the triple clamps a half inch (as far as they can go) and that helped a lot, but I'm still looking for a way to put a fork brace on the thing. (I've talked too much about what I've done here, so maybe check the archives for details). Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 10 Jan 1996 23:02:47 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:55:16 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i (from John Palfery ) (at Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:56:07 +0000) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi John (John Palfery), in <199601110257.UAA29511@peter.atw.fullfeed.com> on Jan 10 you wrote: > Lower the front end huh? more weight on the front, lets see ummm -- > lighter trunk lower windshield umm where's my fortran compiler --- Fortran??? Methinks a few extra years slipped past while you were cogitating. :^) > HP --- Maybe 8HP extra, max, with the stock engine :^( So if you want more, > 1100 shaddow mill from wifes bike ? umm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This looks like what you'll have to try next. > mmmm throw another log on the fire this could be an interesting > project, ummm need battleaxe on the front metzler on the back, > low rifle shield > > >>>>>>>> umm > > 0 to 60 in 3.5 135 standing quater mile steath paint > > > DREAMIN>DREAMIN > DREAMIN' For sure. :^) But there's still lots of possibilities without that last one... So... Clear out the living room, pull the bike inside out of the cold and Get To Work. Someone else besides me needs to to start some bike remodeling. :^) I'll get back to it pretty soon. Almost in the house... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fragments??? Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:27:01 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "PJ" == Philip E (Ed) Johnson writes: PJ> Sorry about all those fragments of my trip report. But still, it seems PJ> to be complete without the fragments. Did I do something wrong when PJ> sending it? It came through in one piece here and looks fine in the archives. I suspect your local mail system fragmented it (assuming nobody else got it in pieces). - J< (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:19:15 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:26:31 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: The following trip report > It was a bone chilling 55 degrees here in southeast Georgia today. > I can't wait till spring either. BITE ME :>)! It's actually been rather pleasant in Seattle for the winter so far...I can't wait till spring time in the mnts...wheeeeeeeeeee Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:25:01 +0100 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) Subject: Pan European and PC in Europe (Was: long thread) >George wrote: > >>Honda sells PC under the name (I believe) Pan European in Europe. > >Not sure, but I think I heard that the Pan European is the name for the >ST-1100, not the PC. > > > Here in Europe Honda sells the ST-1100 under the name Pan European. The PC is not officially supported by Honda here, we have to import them from the States. Because the PC is quite popular here to be used in driving schools (only the tutor drives it of course) there is no problem buying one new here. Only the price... :-( ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:34:24 -0600 Thu, 11 Jan 1996 7:33:25 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: REJECTED: RE: The following trip report At 08:24 PM 1/10/96 est, you wrote: MAILER-DAEMON@RTP41.ceo.dg.com > ----- Mail rejected by CEO. ----- >No Routing Link Available Mail not sent to:Roger Prince@DGC.ceo > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- >From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu >To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Subject: RE: The following trip report > >At 05:16 PM 1/10/96 -0800, you wrote: >>Don't even worry about keeping Juan on edge...............the wimp lift the > Can anyone explain why I get this (above) message in return when I sent out group messages. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 07:15:26 -0600 Thu, 11 Jan 1996 8:14:27 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" At 10:37 PM 1/10/96 -0600, you wrote: >Boy, talk about a bonehead stunt. I left an introduction to me and my PC >and never gave my internet address. > >It's: > rnielsen@isd.net > >Full name is Ray Nielsen > Welcome to the group Ray. I think you will find it very interesting. Waldo ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:31:53 -0500 From: cf051@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan D. Smith) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: The following trip report Great report, thank you. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 96 11:56:26 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply Hi, Neill. You wrote: >Great trip report. I would like to add it to the trip report >section on the web page. >Group question: Is anything posted on the list fair game or >would it be best to ask permission each time? I can't speak for everybody, but I'd be honored if you would include any of my scribblings - no permission needed from me. Incidentally - GREAT WEB PAGE !!! Keep up the good work !! {Another reason I chose a PC over a Concours - better Web page! :) } ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 96 11:56:33 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: No insult intended to Concours ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Alan Smith's Request for Info Hi Spencer. you wrote: >In defense of the Connie, (I own and love one), ... I like the Concours too. It was no easy decision! At the dealer where I ultimately bought my PC I had another choice - a nice red 90 Concours with a Tank Bra, the replacement Rifle shield and that cute Corbin "rumble" seat (and a STOCK clock! Radical concept!) Price difference: the Connie was $600 more (sticker price was $900 more, but I knew that with the PC I would HAVE to upgrade the windshield and add a backrest). Based on the magazine reviews (filled with people talking about the PC's "eerie" smoothness and complaining about their hands going numb after just an hour at freeway speeds on the Concours) I was leaning toward the PC (ok, I'm a wimp when it comes to my comfort). The test ride narrowed the gap. Both bikes vibrated more than I cared for, and while the PC plunked along contentedly, the Concours just-about SCREAMED to be wound-up into the fun-zone - VERY exhilirating. The Connie DID buzz much more noticeably in the handlebars at high RPM's - I couldn't see being very happy on a sustained long haul - but could I make up for this by having more fun in the twisties? And the PC did vibrate annoyingly through the footpegs... So, the "vibration" gap was narrowed, and the "performance/thrill" gap was widened. What finally swayed me? The $600 and the long-haul/high-speed vibration weren't quite enough to tip the scales in the PC's favor. I liked the classy, understated styling of the PC better, and I think the bike has more of a "Zen" nature (which would be an interesting subject for a future posting), but these weren't quite enough either. Searching desperately for other differences, I tried out the PC's roomy back seat and the Concours/Corbin's *tiny* pillion - I thought of having to endure my SO's complaints and chose the PC. So in the end, it was the end that decided it! ;-) Incidentally, my PC no longer vibrates - it's just as smooth as the magazines say. I put this down to one of three reasons: a) post-purchase psychosomatic rationalization, b) the bike hadn't been ridden for a LONG time (a 6 year-old bike with 4600 miles! OBSCENE!) and needed to be shaken-out or c) it was happy to have an owner again! Would the Concours also have smoothed out had I bought it? Maybe. But I learned long ago that you can drive yourself pretty crazy with what-ifs like that. "Regrets, I have a few, but then again, too few to mention ..." with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:10:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:15:23 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Don't worry Ray, the system automatically puts a 'from' on your messages. Stick with us and we'll get you through this internet thing. Flaming is very low on this list and good info is very high. Welcome and enjoy. >>> Ray Nielsen 01/10/96 09:37pm >>> Boy, talk about a bonehead stunt. I left an introduction to me and my PC and never gave my internet address. It's: rnielsen@isd.net Full name is Ray Nielsen with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:58:39 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:03:15 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: More web stuff I have gotten very little feed back on the newest edition of the web page (admittedly, its not all that different) but what I have gotten has been positive. That being the case, I intend to upload the full set of pictures and ultimately ask Loki to leave a forwarding page on his site. The only responses that I got to my question regarding posting trip reports etc. from the list onto the web page has been 'go ahead'. I hate to go getting all administrative (geeky?) but, I would propose that if anybody objects to that kind of treatment of their messages, that they include text which restricts re-posting in their message. Jason, perhaps we could include words to that effect in the 'pc800 info' file so that new subscribers understand the protocol. Phillip, awsome trip report. I'll put it in the queue to get posted to the web page. As a demonstration of our new responsiveness, Gaye's and Steve's excellent adventures are already there. Waldo's great trailer pictures are coming soon. Based on file space, I may also be able to accomodate some anonymous ftp directly rather than having to pass it through Jason as the procedure now reads. I'll keep you posted. Neill Thompson "Prince of Dorkness" '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:00:19 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: The following trip report On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Waldo E. Meeks wrote: > At 05:16 PM 1/10/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Don't even worry about keeping Juan on edge...............the wimp lift the > >state!!!!!!!!!!! He and his wife are now somewhere SOUTH of here. > > > >It's ME on edge today! Right now it's -35 and falling!!!!!! > > > >Can't wait till spring. > > > >Cory > > > It was a bone chilling 55 degrees here in southeast Georgia today. > I can't wait till spring either. > > Waldo Yeah this mid-60's stuff is really getting to me here in southern New Mexico. I can't wait 'til spring. ;) Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:15:22 -0800 Subject: Just got mine! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Hello, I'm new to this list & to PC800's. Just picked up a used '89 PC800. Got it for $1,800. It's not in great shape - lots of sun damage & it has not been used for a couple years. I originally thought I'd just resell it in the summer & make a little profit on it, but now I find I might like it better then my Concours! It has seen several years of Sou. Cal sun, so the seat & backrest vinyl is toast. Any recommendations on a fix? I think these are my options: Let a local shop reupholster it, for $150 or less; Let Sargent do a reupholster job, for about $100 if the foam's ok; Find another stock seat in good shape from one of you; Buy an after-market seat for $$$. Any suggestions? Two-up comfort is important, so a passenger backrest is essential (it has the stock one now). Also, anyone have an owner's manual or a service manual they wish to sell? With all that bodywork, I'm having trouble doing the most basic maintenance. I can't figure out how to get the old battery out, or how to access the oil plug & filter. A manual would really help. Scott Swenson SSwenson@vcd.hp.com Vancouver, Washington 360-892-9584 AMA, COG, CMA, ...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:25:13 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: PC vs. Concours Hi Steve - Since you had mentioned only the magazine reviews, I just wanted to let you know a bit more about the Connie from an owners' perspective; I didn't realize that you had actually test-rode (test-ridden?) one. No thought that you were trying to be insulting ever crossed my mind. Like most of us biker-types, I also like to blabber on about my bike..... :-) At 11:56 AM 1/11/96 -0500, Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> wrote: > >Searching desperately for other differences, I tried out the PC's roomy back >seat and the Concours/Corbin's *tiny* pillion - I thought of having to endure my >SO's complaints and chose the PC. So in the end, it was the end that decided it! >;-) > Actually, unless your SO is *tiny*, you probably would have wanted to replace the Rumble Seat with a Canyon Dual Sport. (My not-tiny wife's review of the Rumble seat: "The seat part is fine, but the backrest is designed for children or women who are a size 3.") I'll actually be installing a Canyon seat on my bike next week. (She tried the Rumble seat on another Connie.) So, seat-wise, you certainly made the right choice! ;-) Actually, I looked at both older PC's and older Connies when I was shopping. I arrived at the Connie both because it filled all of the mission requirements (liter-ish engine, shaft drive, hard luggage, decent fairing, high fun quotient) and I could get an older Connie for approximately 50%-60% of the going price for PC's, and 25%-30% of the price of an older 1500 Wing. (Yeah, I know, Wings aren't very sporting, but I still find them to be of high amusement value. I would never have believed it, until I test-rode one. Also, a Wing would have meant that I would have a slot open for a ZX-6.....) >b) the bike hadn't been ridden for a LONG time (a 6 year-old >bike with 4600 miles! OBSCENE!) Yeah, but it meant that you got a *great* deal on a great bike! My Connie was 9 years old, and had around 32k on it - less than 4k/year. It's unfortunate for the folks who buy these bikes to be garage ornaments, but it's great for those of us who eventually buy them for a song and really **ride** them! >Would the Concours also have smoothed out had I bought it? Probably not, on its own; you could tune *some* of the buzz out, but not all of it. >Maybe. But I learned >long ago that you can drive yourself pretty crazy with what-ifs like that. >"Regrets, I have a few, but then again, too few to mention ..." Mainly, I regret not being in possesion of enough wealth to satisfy my bike addiction. There were at least *12* bikes at the San Mateo Cycle World International Motorcycle Show that I really needed. Let's see, a Wing, one of those sexy *RED* PC's, a ZX-6E, on of those cute little MV 600 singles, a 900SS, a Dyna-Glide, a ZX-11, a Buell (any of them), a Triumph Trophy 1200...... and ......... and....... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:49:02 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Pan European and PC in Europe (Was: long thread) Greetings - At 08:25 AM 1/11/96 +0100, looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) wrote: > >Here in Europe Honda sells the ST-1100 under the name Pan European. >The PC is not officially supported by Honda here, we have to import them >from the States. Because the PC is quite popular here to be used in driving >schools (only the tutor drives it of course) there is no problem buying one >new here. Only the price... :-( Do some of the police / government agencies in Europe also use PC's? It seems that I've heard mention of that, but I could be hallucinating. (That would explain some of the "unusual" colors listed in the manual, too.....) Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com http://www.radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pan European and PC in Europe (Was: long thread) On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Spencer Farrow wrote: > Greetings - > > At 08:25 AM 1/11/96 +0100, looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman) wrote: > > > >Here in Europe Honda sells the ST-1100 under the name Pan European. > >The PC is not officially supported by Honda here, we have to import them > >from the States. Because the PC is quite popular here to be used in driving > >schools (only the tutor drives it of course) there is no problem buying one > >new here. Only the price... :-( > > Do some of the police / government agencies in Europe also use PC's? It > seems that I've heard mention of that, but I could be hallucinating. (That > would explain some of the "unusual" colors listed in the manual, too.....) > > Cheers - Spencer > > Spencer Farrow > Compensation Researcher > Radford Associates/A&ACG > sfarrow@radford.com > http://www.radford.com > Spencer, You might be thinking of Philips Wong in Hong Kong. That's his personal mount. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Just got mine! On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com wrote: > Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > vinyl is toast. Any recommendations on a fix? I think these are my > options: > > Let a local shop reupholster it, for $150 or less; > Let Sargent do a reupholster job, for about $100 if the foam's ok; > Find another stock seat in good shape from one of you; > Buy an after-market seat for $$$. Or you can buy my set. I bought a Corbin from Wes in NY and now have an extra seats. I thought I'd keep it for backup, after all, I do have an extra shield too. Can't help it, I'm a systems admin. Things go wrong :) The stock is pretty good as recent testimonies on the list (including mine) showed. But IMO the Corbin is better, though a bit stiffer. If you'd rather have my stock, then how about $90 for the set (driver and passenger)? I need something to offset the price for the Corbin. No rips, scars, discoloring or anything. I've always kept it covered. Heck I could give you my backrest too for an extra $20 and I can go get the matching Corbin backrest. Let me know. > Also, anyone have an owner's manual or a service manual they wish to > sell? With all that bodywork, I'm having trouble doing the most basic > maintenance. I can't figure out how to get the old battery out, or > how to access the oil plug & filter. A manual would really help. The Honda shop manual is really good. Well worth the $40-$50 I spent. ========================================================================= Johan Lai E Mail: jlai@filenet.com CCF Systems Admin Voice: (714) 850-5805 Engineering Services Pager: (714) 754-3120 FileNet Corporation MS Mail Users: Please use my email address above. Thanks. ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:16:19 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Pan European and PC in Europe (Was: long thread) Hi Johan - At 11:06 AM 1/11/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Spencer Farrow wrote: >> >> Do some of the police / government agencies in Europe also use PC's? It >> seems that I've heard mention of that, but I could be hallucinating. (That >> would explain some of the "unusual" colors listed in the manual, too.....) > >Spencer, > >You might be thinking of Philips Wong in Hong Kong. That's his personal >mount. Yup, you're probably correct. At least I didn't imagine it! Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:53:45 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:51:58 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Neill, Neill, The new web page is great. I really enjoy the pictures from the old page, and think it's a good idea to port them over. Your work is greatly appreciated. Think about things the rest of us could do to make the page better, and I'll bet you'll get some volunteers. Jan deRoos School of Hotel Administration Cornell University jad10@cornell.edu 1989 PC (frozen and lonely) >>> Neill Thompson 01/11/96 01:03pm >>> I have gotten very little feed back on the newest edition of the web page (admittedly, its not all that different) but what I have gotten has been positive. That being the case, I intend to upload the full set of pictures and ultimately ask Loki to leave a forwarding page on his site. Neill Thompson "Prince of Dorkness" '94 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 16:39:15 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: New user I have recently read about "de-slopping" the front end to eliminate the head shake (which I have experienced intermittently)... Can anyone lead me to the "answers" as to how to eliminate that wobble? If they are in the archives, then directions as to how to get into the archives and surf them would be helpful. If you'd prefer not to "spam" the whole group, my e-mail is: stevea@sc.edu Steve Anderson Sumter SC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:24:56 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: New user >Howdy, I'm new to this whole internet thing, so I'll probably mutilate some >protocols before I learn my way around. > > >I'll be checking in often and welcome any comments or help you can offer as >well. welcome on board ...hope you can make the HSTA annual this year ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| E.Y. MurphEY ... Dean of Mathematics Instruction Haverford School District EYonline@aol.com OR ey@forum.swarthmore.edu voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 fax: 610-789-1445 '93 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 as lifer HSTA#6485 Limits set the conditions of survival... within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction... so survival conditions the limits set. Maybe a metaphor would help? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:34:52 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: PC vs. Concours > >Mainly, I regret not being in possesion of enough wealth to satisfy my bike >addiction. There were at least *12* bikes at the San Mateo Cycle World >International Motorcycle Show that I really needed. Let's see, a Wing, >one of those sexy *RED* PC's, a ZX-6E, on of those cute little MV 600 >singles, a 900SS, a Dyna-Glide, a ZX-11, a Buell (any of them), a Triumph >Trophy 1200...... and ......... and....... > >Cheers - Spencer > >Spencer Farrow >'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost >COG # 2014 >AMA # 606675 >sfarrow@radford.com ah yes a boy and his toys...this glass house liver knows the feeling even tho the list maybe different mine also comes with places to ride, but I live in the snow encrusted eats (misspelling intentional) coast and being able to convert the PC to a snowmobile and a wave runner quickly ah dreamers enjoy the roads out there for all us snowbounded fellow riders ey 88 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| E.Y. MurphEY ... Dean of Mathematics Instruction Haverford School District EYonline@aol.com OR ey@forum.swarthmore.edu voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 fax: 610-789-1445 '93 PC-800 DoD# 8119 AMA#3425444 as lifer HSTA#6485 Limits set the conditions of survival... within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction... so survival conditions the limits set. Maybe a metaphor would help? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:37:44 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: PC vs. Concours Hi Gang - E.Y.Murphey wrote: >enjoy the roads out there for all us >snowbounded fellow riders > >ey >88 I'll do my best; weather will probably hold for the weekend...... I'm hoping to fly balloons on Saturday AM and then up in the hills or out to the coast for a ride........... I'll think of you poor, snowbound types! Cheers (and best wishes for an early spring!) - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 1996 16:11:17 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- The following tri To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>PC800: The following trip report Ed Johnson, Thanks for a magnificent report from your trip! Same goes to the guy/s who went to Mt. Palomar. George P.S. I screwed up with that Pan European - it is ST1100, not our PC - sorry. P.P.S. Could someone explain to me why people who claim to like motorcycling live in places where is -45 degrees, sun comes out for a few hours every day for six months, and the environment is so hostile (e.g. - summer comes with zillion mosquitos etc.) This is not a flame, just curiosity, and I am not talking about Chicago or New York, I mean Fairbanks or Alaska in general. Thanks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:11 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: PC800- The following tri George wrote: >P.P.S. Could someone explain to me why people who claim to like motorcycling >live in places where is -45 degrees, sun comes out for a few hours every day >for six months, and the environment is so hostile (e.g. - summer comes with >zillion mosquitos etc.) This is not a flame, just curiosity, and I am not >talking about Chicago or New York, I mean Fairbanks or Alaska in general. >Thanks George, If I had to tell you all the reasons why I'm in Alaska it would take far too long and you would die of boredom. The main reason is that I'm in the Air Force (less than two years left to retirement!!!!!!!!) and they sent me here. With any kind of luck, some clean living, and God willing, I'll be out of here late this summer! I don't really hate it here, and I've always preferred a cooler climate. This is a bit extreme, though! It's a nice place to visit......... Juan, on the other hand, loves it here! You'd have to ask him all the reasons he has for wanting to stay here. Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jan 11 19:28:08 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 1996 17:26:57 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- The f To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: Re: PC800- The following tri Thanks Cory, perfect explanation. I didn't think about "they". In your shoes I would have done exactly same thing. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 1/11/96 5:19 PM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu George wrote: >P.P.S. Could someone explain to me why people who claim to like motorcycling >live in places where is -45 degrees, sun comes out for a few hours every day >for six months, and the environment is so hostile (e.g. - summer comes with >zillion mosquitos etc.) This is not a flame, just curiosity, and I am not >talking about Chicago or New York, I mean Fairbanks or Alaska in general. >Thanks George, If I had to tell you all the reasons why I'm in Alaska it would take far too long and you would die of boredom. The main reason is that I'm in the Air Force (less than two years left to retirement!!!!!!!!) and they sent me here. With any kind of luck, some clean living, and God willing, I'll be out of here late this summer! I don't really hate it here, and I've always preferred a cooler climate. This is a bit extreme, though! It's a nice place to visit......... Juan, on the other hand, loves it here! You'd have to ask him all the reasons he has for wanting to stay here. Cory ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 11 Jan 1996 19:15:25 -0600 (CST) 11 Jan 1996 19:14:48 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:11 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) Subject: RE: Re: PC800- The following tri To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 96 20:42:38 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: The following trip report Hi, Ed. You wrote: >I also enjoyed the Mt. Palomar trip report. For that matter, it was much more the kind of thing I was hoping for when I joined the group. Thanks! I was hoping it wasn't too long to bore people too much. I figure people can just delete it or file it for leisurely reading at some other time. I greatly enjoyed reading your trip account too. >(I'll never be able to do it, but I wrote 2/17 down in my appointment book for a possible ride with the Mt. Palomar group into the San Gabriel mountains.) Oh, come on! Tucson isn't THAT far, is it? :-) BTW, my (as yet unscheduled/thought-out) intention is to take an extended (week-long, I hope) trip through Arizona and New Mexico, maybe this spring, so I especially enjoyed your accounts of that portion of your trip. Maybe we can get together for a day-ride as I'm passing through? >I went 6728 miles ... Wow! Great account! It may be long as you say, but on a words-per-mile basis you're much more succinct than I was on the Palomar report (only 180 miles!). ;-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Jan 96 20:42:31 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: New user Hi, Ray Nielsen of Minneapolis, and welcome! You wrote: >I have an 89 PC 800. It's currently asleep in the garage with about 80K miles Congratulations! As far as I can tell from the archives, you may be our high-mileage king! Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:46:02 +0000 Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i Priority: normal Hey Kent! Ya know all those guys who use Pascal and C get the same answers that I do ! SOoo why spend more money on a new compiler when I can use the $$$ to buy bike goodies??. Good Luck with the new house !! John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:50:59 +0000 Subject: Re: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i Priority: normal > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:47:38 -0800 > From: Steve Gross > Subject: Re: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > John Palfery wrote: > ... "where's my fortran compiler ---" > > Shame on you for even knowing what one of those is! Take a hammer & > screwdriver, & soup it up! %) HEY Steve! I was goin' to CREATE man ! I love it when a plan comes together ! (quote by Hanibal) John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:56:06 +0000 Subject: Re: REJECTED: RE: The following trip report Priority: normal > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:34:24 -0600 > From: "Waldo E. Meeks" > Subject: Re: REJECTED: RE: The following trip report > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > > At 08:24 PM 1/10/96 est, you wrote: > > MAILER-DAEMON@RTP41.ceo.dg.com > > ----- Mail rejected by CEO. ----- > >No Routing Link Available Mail not sent to:Roger Prince@DGC.ceo > > > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- > >From: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu > >To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > >Subject: RE: The following trip report > > > >At 05:16 PM 1/10/96 -0800, you wrote: > >>Don't even worry about keeping Juan on edge...............the wimp lift the > > > Can anyone explain why I get this (above) message in return when I sent out > group messages. > > Waldo > > I sometimes get the same message? John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: REJECTED: RE: The following trip report Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:29:26 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "WM" == "Waldo E Meeks" writes: WM> Can anyone explain why I get this (above) message in return when I sent WM> out group messages. That user's site runs badly broken mail software that sends bounces to the improper address (the envelope sender instead of the message sender, for those of you who care). Complaining doesn't help much; there's nothing you can do except ignore them. I'm getting ready to upgrade my mail software (to sendmail 8.7.3, FYI) which will, in addition to speeding up message delivery, rewrite the envelope sender so that you won't get these kind of messages unless the their mail software is REALLY broken and sends bounces to the From: header. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:57:13 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@InnovSoftD.com (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Re: New user > >Congratulations! As far as I can tell from the archives, you may be our >high-mileage king! > >Well it's actually 79,336 miles. I'm lucky in that I can modify my summer schedule to allow for a lot of four day weekends. I often attend other brand rallies (BMW) beginning in April and going through November if possible. I'd much rather be riding the PC than driving a cage. from pm2e-1-213.InnovSoftD.com by InnovSoftD.InnovSoftD.com with smtp ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 22:49 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Re: New user > >Maybe go into further detail on these... What do you mean by 'latest'? The original '89 PCs had different main jet sizes and jet needles on the front and rear carbs. The "latest" recommendation is to use the same size on both. I don't remember the numbers, but as I recall the rear carb's jet sizes are what you'll get if you order jets and needles. The result is a slightly leaner mixture to the front cylinder and a bit better mileage. >What were the sizes etc.? and what did you do to 'deslop'? I raised the >forks in the triple clamps a half inch (as far as they can go) and >that helped a lot, but I'm still looking for a way to put a fork brace >on the thing. (I've talked too much about what I've done here, so maybe >check the archives for details). The deslopping technique was described by Joe Minton in Motorcyclist magazine way back in January, 1981. Basically it is a form of "blueprinting" the forks. In effect it reduces the clearances of the bushing/fork tube interface to almost zero. The oil then is routed through the damping holes it was designed to pass and there is very little if any flexing of the fork. It works almost as well as using a fork brace. The technique involves disassembly of the front forks completely. The fork tube with bushing needs to be shimmed to reduce clearance to as close to zero as possible. You can put shim stock (or feeler gauge stock) behind the bushing, experimenting until you achieve a perceptible "drag" when moving the tube into the slider. The upper slider bushing must also be "deslopped". This is done by increasing the thickness of the bushing by "dimpling" around the outside perimeter with a center punch. I recommend two rows around the outside of the bushing, about 1/4 inch apart. Don't displace too much metal, just a noticeable punch mark will do. By now the bushing won't fit into the top of the slider because of the increased thickness, to you'll need to "end-file" the bushing. Put a fairly thin, flat file in a vise and spread the bushing so that the ends contact the file. Move the bushing up and down smoothly, removing metal. Try to fit the bushing into the slider by hand and continue end-filing until you can just accomplish it. If you assemble the fork tube into the slider and add the upper bushing to the top of the slider, you should have a slight drag when moving them into and out of engagement. Reassemble the forks, using new seals and being careful to use a proper tool to "seat" the seal into the slider body. Be VERY CAREFUL if you use any type of punch, you might nick the fork tube with your hammer. Don't ask me how I know! This fitting procedure will allow very little oil to bypass the hydraulic circuit of the forks -- you'll enjoy better damping with the stock weight (10W) fork oil; even the anti-dive braking will be much improved! Best of all, the dreaded head shake will be virtually non-existent! Eventually this will need to be repeated, but at that time you'll probably need new bushings anyway. I did this on my PC at about 23K miles -- redid it at about 76K and have enjoyed much more stability when loaded down for the road. I do notice a slight shake when nearing the end of a set of tires. It is more pronounced with Metzeler ML2s than with Dunlop K-177s. I've had much better life from the Dunlops and prefer them. My current tires have 18K and will need replacing by 20K, using 1/16" as a minimum tread depth. Joe Minton's treatise was much better, well illustrated and treated other features of front suspension maintenance such as adding zerk (grease) fittings to the steering head bearings. I was able to find the back issue at my local library -- sorry that I didn't copy the article when I had a chance. I've outlined the process -- hopefully you can follow it well enough to use it as a complement to the shop manual to accomplish the job. from pm2e-1-213.InnovSoftD.com by InnovSoftD.InnovSoftD.com with smtp ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 23:02 CST To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Re: New user I got so carried away describing the fork fix that I forgot to mention the air cleaner mods. I used a Fram CA3559 filter from a Dodge ('85 I think). I cut out the original with a fish fillet knife (thin blade) and then cut some of the rubber edging from the car filter to allow a snug fit into the opening in the Honda plastic air cleaner frame. I used room temperature vulcanizing (RTV) rubber to secure the filter in place. Wait for complete drying (24 hours) before fitting it back on the bike. Since the new filter is slightly thicker than the original, the top filter cover will cause a minor dimple to be impressed into a couple of the filter's folds. This won't hurt anything, but it would cause the filter to move in the frame if the RTV isn't dry yet. This costs about $4 for the Fram filter if you get one on sale. I usually find them at Target Stores. Good luck! 12 Jan 1996 00:02:17 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:54:13 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i (from John Palfery ) (at Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:46:02 +0000) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi John (John Palfery), in <199601120147.TAA19786@peter.atw.fullfeed.com> on Jan 11 you wrote: > Hey Kent! Ya know all those guys who use Pascal and C get the same > answers that I do ! SOoo why spend more money on a new compiler > when I can use the $$$ to buy bike goodies??. I didn't *think* anyone still sold a Fortran compiler. :^) > Good Luck with the new house !! Wife says getting it ready to move in is worse than having a baby. I just take too long... I'll have it ready to move in one of these days (if I live that long). I figure I'm not too far off schedule for it being the first house I designed and built by myself... But I have to move in pretty soon. I told myself I'd give the PC some loving care after we move in. This last oil change is getting kinda long in the tooth and ... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:31:31 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 23:26:38 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i John Palfery wrote: > I was goin' to CREATE man ! > > I love it when a plan comes together ! > (quote by Hanibal) > John Aahhhh, an Artiste! I grovel humbly, sir! -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:22:48 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: New pictures Hey folks, pictures of Waldo's trailers and hitches have been added to the web page. http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 or go directly to pictures, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00 http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/pc800/pc800pic.html Enjoy, Neill "Webster" Thompson ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:58:55 -0600 Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:58:55 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: New pictures At 08:22 AM 1/12/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey folks, pictures of Waldo's trailers and hitches have been added to the web page. > >http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 > >or go directly to pictures, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00 > >http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/pc800/pc800pic.html > >Enjoy, >Neill "Webster" Thompson Thanks Neill, You did a great job on the pictures. Sharing things of this nature is what this group is all about. Your doing a fantastic job with the web page. Many Thanks. Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:17 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- The f >Thanks Cory, >perfect explanation. I didn't think about "they". In your shoes I would have >done exactly same thing. >George This morning it is -42. What the hell am I doing here? CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCory (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:27:29 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:41:18 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 ya know cory, something tells me you might want to send some resumes out...you seem very qualified....and California is nice this time of year..Even Seattle aint that bad :>) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:28:38 -0600 Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:28:38 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- The f At 08:17 AM 1/12/96 -0800, you wrote: > >This morning it is -42. What the hell am I doing here? > >CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCory > That is definitely PC. (plume cold). I bet you do enjoy the first spring ride more than most of us. Stay warm. Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:29:23 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i Hi Kent - At 11:54 PM 1/11/96 -0600, you wrote: > I figure I'm not too far off schedule >for it being the first house I designed and built by myself... But >I have to move in pretty soon. Once the smoke clears and you're settled in, I'd love to hear/read the tale of your adventures in the design/build process. Probably not appropriate for the PC list (unless you include a complete rundown of your specially equipped motorcycle garage... ;-> ...), but *I'd* sure be interested. Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com http://www.radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New pictures On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Neill Thompson wrote: > Hey folks, pictures of Waldo's trailers and hitches have been added to the web page. > > http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 > > or go directly to pictures, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00 > > http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800/pc800/pc800pic.html > > Enjoy, > Neill "Webster" Thompson > Thanks a great job Waldo! That's neat! Now I've got to go back and find your description of how you made it. I think I'll try that project this summer. Thanks for fixing Cassandra's picture, Neill! ========================================================================= Johan Lai E Mail: jlai@filenet.com CCF Systems Admin Voice: (714) 850-5805 Engineering Services Pager: (714) 754-3120 FileNet Corporation MS Mail Users: Please use my email address above. Thanks. ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:02:45 -0600 Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:02:43 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: New pictures >Thanks a great job Waldo! That's neat! Now I've got to go back and find >your description of how you made it. I think I'll try that project this >summer. Thanks for fixing Cassandra's picture, Neill! Thanks Johan I will be glad to give you any advise that I can. It will be up to you to sort out the good advise from the bad advise. Take care. Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12 Jan 96 15:28:11 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: PC vs. Concours Hi, Spencer. You wrote: >Mainly, I regret not being in possesion of enough wealth to satisfy my bike addiction. Oh, so true! So many *great* bikes, so little money ... P.S. The upside of my tough decision is that, while I'll never know definitively that I made the "best" decision, I think both the PC and Concours are so great that I really would have been happy with either one of them. 12 Jan 1996 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:39:54 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Excursion to Palomar To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >The Corbin was great for me, just as I had anticipated. But my wife says the >backrest makes her recline a little bit more than she's used to. One of the >disadvantages for being short I guess. I think I'll just get a longer bolt >and some seperators to bring the backrest forward a little. She also says >the space between the backrest and the seat doesn't offer her enough lower >back support. While on the ride, I gave her my extra sweatshirt which she >rolled up and stuffed between the space and she was happy. I'll probably get >some foam or similar material and fill the space. > >The pegs are just the right height. I'll need to add some non-skid material >on it so her boots don't slide right off on quick stops. Her boots are all >flat bottomed. She says doesn't like being stuck in the grass or something >like that. > >I'll work it all out. Thanks! > >On a side note, Harrison's driver's backrest looked really neat. Looks >almost like it came from the factory. The Utopia backrest can also be fitted as a replacement for the passenger backrest. If I rode with the wife often, I'd be buying my second Utopia in a flash! :-) Harrison 12 Jan 1996 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:42:10 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Great trip report. I would like to add it to the trip report >section on the web page. > >Group question: Is anything posted on the list fair game or >would it be best to ask permission each time? I'll need a mailing address to send the pictures from our trip and the pictures of the Utopia backrest :-). Harrison 12 Jan 1996 12:39:14 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:36:08 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Excellent write-up on our trip Steve! Needless to say, I'm letting you document the next one! :-) I did recall one item that I thought I would mention. Only PC riders will 'get' this one... As we were making a turn, each of us would turn on our turn signals in order. The auto-cancel worked perfectly; each PC would stop blinking in perfect order :-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | 12 Jan 1996 14:56:26 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:47:49 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola i (from Spencer Farrow ) (at Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:29:23 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Spencer (Spencer Farrow), in <199601121729.JAA23160@radford.com> on Jan 12 you wrote: > >for it being the first house I designed and built by myself... But > >I have to move in pretty soon. > > Once the smoke clears and you're settled in, I'd love to hear/read the tale > of your adventures in the design/build process. Probably not appropriate > for the PC list (unless you include a complete rundown of your specially > equipped motorcycle garage... ;-> ...), but *I'd* sure be interested. Actually... :^) It's there. Yep. You hit it right on the head. After some 32 years of riding and having to work on the thing in less-than-favorable conditions, I will soon have a honest-to-god motorcycle garage! Complete with climate control and arrangements for air exhaust (them nasty vapors), etc. Of course, the moto will have to share space with the yz80, the 2 road bicycles, the jetski, the electronics bench, the cabinets full of materials for working on the 11 rental houses we manage, the... But *no* cages allowed!! and the tractor gets to stay outside. BTW, it's a concrete shell, earth-sheltered house . Understand that I've been building the thing for the last 9 months and I've got the shell and only 1/2 of the inside finished... It'll take me a couple more years at least to get the thing mostly done. And probably the rest of my life to end up with what what I envision. The 'equipped moto shop' will take some time. bedrooms and bathrooms come first. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re(2): New pictures (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:09:36 -0800 From: Barbara Brick To: jlai@felix.filenet.com Subject: Re(2): New pictures Waldo, keep up the good work and thanks for attending to the PC pictures -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:50:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:54:34 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply -Reply >I'll need a mailing address to send the pictures from our trip >and the pictures of the Utopia backrest :-). Both Waldo and Johan have sent me snapshots which I have scanned and posted. If you want the photos back be sure to include a SASE. (Waldo, yours went out in todays mail). Send them to: Neill (Webster) Thompson 5640 E. Bell Rd #1043 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 Keep those cards and letters coming folks, we love to see you. For those of you with access to a scanner, it now appears that I will be able to accept FTP as long as the volume doesn't get out of hand. Upload to: users.aol.com/wwwpc800/incoming and notify by email to: wwwpc800@aol.com Please send JPG if possible and size 400x400 or smaller. I'll modify the how to submit page to include this info. Later folks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seattle Show... Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:19:05 -0800 From: Gaye Grabill Well folks, I can't make the breakfast; here's a possible alternative. We're planning on meeting some friends at the Honda booth Saturday at noon. I'd really like to meet any of you that can make it there... See Ya tomorrow! -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:25:26 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:20:34 -0800 From: Steve Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle Show... Gaye Grabill wrote: > > Well folks, I can't make the breakfast; here's a possible alternative. > We're planning on meeting some friends at the Honda booth Saturday at > noon. I'd really like to meet any of you that can make it there... > Gaye, we should be there by then, if I can get my lazy butt outta bed. See ya tomorrow! -- Steve Gross "This _must_ be a test... If it were my real life, they'd've given me better instructions, right?" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:41:59 -0500 From: Clelaw@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally Hello from Strongsville. If you get a PC, let me know and we can go for a ride. The Medina country roads are the greatest - especially for a Snday morning ride. Bye! (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:41:18 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:41:21 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle Show... gaye... steve and I will do our best to be at the HONDA booths around noon...you'll know who we are..we look like brothers! I'll probably have a red Honda sweatshirt on.... dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:00:58 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: HONDA HOMECOMING The following message was in the WINGS digest on the Internet. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Lance Cunningham Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:44:59 -0500 Subject: [Wings] Wing List Rally Today I spoke to one of the rally organizers at the Honda Factory and = was told that they have no problem with us using the auditorium at the = registration area for a gathering. They have hourly seminars in it = during the Homecoming and I'm sure we can get at least 1 hour to use it. = He also expressed interest in having other groups (Shadow, PC800, etc) = represented and asked me to act as a point of contact for them. If = anyone out there has contact with these groups please advise them. Also = Honda is looking into a web page and if I hear more I'll pass it on. The = Homecoming is scheduled for the last weekend in July, be nice to me, I'm = drawing the winning ticket for the Aspencade this year. I won it last = year. Lance Cunningham - AMA, HRCA, BK, GWRRA Forwarded by: Wes St.Onge RETREADNY@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:57:50 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) Subject: New Member Intro Name: Jeffrey G. Morrison Location: San Diego, CA EMail: jmorriso@nosc.mil PC Model Year: 1989 Bought: New (Via my father in 1991) Modifications: None significant. Did retrofit cuurent coolant access cover on fairing - people kept opening in parking lot. New cover has keeper strap to prevent loss if not properly secured. Cover is bloody expensive - highly recommed refit! **************************************************************************** The Following is current as of 1 December 1995: Jeffrey G. Morrison, Ph.D. Naval Command, Control and Ocean Survelliance Center RDT&E Division, Code 44210 53560 Hull Street San Diego, CA 92152-5001 Phone: (619) 553-9070 DEFTT Lab: (619) 553-7998 Fax: (619) 553-9229 E-Mail: jmorriso@nosc.mil HOME: 3675 Alexia Place San Diego, CA 92116-2236 (619) 280-8098 NOTE: Binary files are encoded with UUENCODE on a Macintosh computer by default. Use UUDECODE to restore. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:18:38 -0500 From: Clelaw@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: PC power (or lack thereof) Was:Steve Schibuola is totally if you tried to send me a message, it did not go through. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:18:08 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:31:59 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Jet adjustments totally met a guy at the show in seattle who is the service mgr of a dealership here.(Lake City Honda)..his eyes lit up when I said I had a PC because he knew about some COOL things to do to the carb Jets and the shocks to dramatically improve preformance...The shock thing was 'Progessive" stuff, which I've heard you guys talking about, but not sure about the jets...said it would cost $100 and would improve preformance up to 30%!! I'll let ya know if I get brave... also..he said NOT to use BP gas...something wierd in the additives they use screws up Hondas BIG TIME.. and...look for an anncouncment in 6 weeks or so about the Goldwing engine in a Cruiser frame!!! and now....we're lookin at Magnas...mmmmmm Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:28:03 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Jet adjustments totally On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Dave Gross wrote: > > also..he said NOT to use BP gas...something wierd in the additives they > use screws up Hondas BIG TIME.. > Hmmmmm....I used BP gas a lot in my PC when I lived in Oregon and had no trouble whatsoever. Granted, I did not use exclusively BP for any extended period... *shrug* Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Seattle Show... <30F71BD1.4AFD@halcyon.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:54:31 -0800 From: Gaye Grabill >gaye... > >steve and I will do our best to be at the HONDA booths around >noon...you'll know who we are..we look like brothers! I'll probably >have a red Honda sweatshirt on.... > >dave > > Well, somehow I missed you! Sorry! (Should have sent my description too, I guess...) Hope you enjoyed the show. We had a great time; My SO was EXTREMELY disappointed that they didn't have the '96 ST1100 out, tho. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:31:50 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:36:17 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Jet adjustments totally -Reply >>> Dave Gross 01/14/96 03:31pm >>> >and...look for an anncouncment in 6 weeks or so about the >Goldwing engine in a Cruiser frame!!! I guess Honda is having trouble keeping up with the big (1400-1500 cc) Kawasaki Vulcan and Suzuki Intruder. What is the engine in the V-Max anyway? Probably more than 1100 which makes the Shadow the smallest of the big cruisers from Japan. But a 6 cylinder cruiser? Something just doesn't feel right about that. Almost a wierd as a V-twin sport touring bike huh? Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:50:39 +0000 Subject: Re: New Member Intro Priority: normal > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:57:50 -0800 > From: jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) > Subject: New Member Intro > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Jeffrey G. Morrison said --- > Modifications: None significant. Did retrofit cuurent coolant access > cover on fairing - people kept opening in parking lot. New cover has > keeper strap to prevent loss if not properly secured. Cover is > """" bloody"""" Do I detect a fellow BRIT. ?? Probably not by the look of the credentials. > expensive - highly recommed refit! > > **************************************************************************** > The Following is current as of 1 December 1995: > > Jeffrey G. Morrison, Ph.D. > Naval Command, Control and Ocean Survelliance Center > RDT&E Division, Code 44210 John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 17:11:20 -0800 Subject: STORED TOO LONG! To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Just bought an '89 PC800 (CA model). It's been stored in a bug- infested barn for a couple years. Flat tires. Dead battery. Some rust on forks and frame. Will start if left on a charger overnight. 1) Any of you experts have any specific recommendations on what ought to be serviced? Fluids, cables, etc? 2) Also, right fork seal is bad. Hard to replace? With all that bodywork, seems tough just to get the fork off. Any advice? It's going to the shop for tires anyway. Should I just let them do it? 3) Are there any standard upgrades to this bike that "everyone" does? Such as jets, air filter, progressive springs, fork oil, shock oil, etc? Thanks, SSwenson@vcd.hp.com Scott Swenson 360 892 9584 (PST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 15 Jan 96 20:31:11 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: New Member Intro (Jeffrey Morrison) Hi, Jeffrey, welcome aboard to another Southern Cal member! I'm in Laguna Beach, and nearby is Harrison Spain (Anaheim) and Johan Lai (Cypress). We recently did a group-ride to Mt. Palomar (which you can read about in the archives) and are planning another day-trip in February. Harrison will post more details. You wrote: >Did retrofit cuurent coolant access cover on fairing - people kept opening in parking lot. New cover has keeper strap to prevent loss if not properly secured. Cover is bloody expensive - highly recommed refit! NOW you tell me! Just yesterday (sunday) I pulled a bonehead stunt, thinking I had reclosed it properly. A few miles down the road, I looked down and, guess what! My PC's seamless bodywork isn't quite so seamless anymore. BTW, just exactly how much is *bloody* expensive? Steve. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:45:13 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Carburetor modifications I noticed a couple of mentions of carburetor modifications recently. I'm interested in them, mostly to keep abreast of any technical developments re: the Pacific Coast. I decided to rebuild my carbs around the 55K mile mark. Went to my dealer and ordered new float bowl gaskets, fuel inlet needles and seats, main jets, needle jets, needles pilot jets. I simply ordered them and said I'd be back in a few days to pick them up. Imagine my surprise to find a bill for about $250 waiting for the parts. The dealer felt bad about the prices and gave me 20% off which helped. I noticed that the main jets were now the same number rather than the two different numbers of the originals, 122.5 as best I can remember. The needles were now also the same number as they were originally different too. The new needles were of slightly larger diameter, which resulted in a slightly leaner mixture for the front cylinder. All other parts were the same as before. The fuel inlet needle has a small spring inside; mine had sacked and were allowing the float to ride lower in the chamber with an attendant rise in fuel level in the bowl. No wonder my mileage was down quite a bit over the years. Because I had the carbs apart, I replaced all the parts, although I suspect I only "needed" the new fuel inlet seats and needles. The bike's mileage was back to normal -- about 42 MPG in town and 48-53 MPG on the road, depending on speed. This was an improvement of around 20-25%. No noticeable change in running, except possibly just a slightly more noticeable surge coming off a stop while the motor is still cold. It disappears when fully warmed. I suspect I did NOT need the needles, needle jets, pilot jets and main jets, although I did examine the openings of the main jets and noticed a bit of wear. Could it be from small abrasive particles in the gas? The diameter checked out about the same, this tried by putting jewelers drills through the opening and increasing the size until slight interference was noted. My PC is not at all "cold blooded" as I've read from some road tests. I can start it at 45 degrees F with the choke on and ride away with it off by the time I get my helmet and gloves on and the garage door closed without any choke. My mileage has remained good for another 25K miles +, with only a slight reduction when we switched to oxygenated fuels in October. This I expected. If any further information is available about jetting, I'd be interested in hearing of it. Thanks, Ray Nielsen ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:06:20 TZ Subject: RE: STORED TOO LONG! ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Subject: STORED TOO LONG! Date: Monday, January 15, 1996 5:11PM Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Just bought an '89 PC800 (CA model). It's been stored in a bug- infested barn for a couple years. Flat tires. Dead battery. Some rust on forks and frame. Will start if left on a charger overnight. 1) Any of you experts have any specific recommendations on what ought to be serviced? Fluids, cables, etc? I'd replace them all. They are rather inexpensive and probably in need. 4 qts oil, pint of brake fluid, and < pint of gear oil for the shaft drive. 2) Also, right fork seal is bad. Hard to replace? With all that bodywork, seems tough just to get the fork off. Any advice? It's going to the shop for tires anyway. Should I just let them do it? labor/parts will set you back probably $150-160. I think the Honda seals are like $20-30 -- I can't remember. I had my shop do it after too many horror stories drove me away from even attempting it. 3) Are there any standard upgrades to this bike that "everyone" does? Such as jets, air filter, progressive springs, fork oil, shock oil, etc? This is almost a religious subject on this alias. See the last 12 months of archives and use a text editor to look for words like oil, forks, tires and you'll find what you want. In summary many of us have put Progressive springs on the front. After-market for the rear shock is limited to Works Performance and is a non-adjustable shock based on your weight and riding style. If you add a passenger later you can't adjust it. Tires are another big topic with some preferring the Dunlops and others going for the Metzler ML2. Kent Polk and others have much to say on the tire/suspension topic so see the archives again for this. Until some very recent postings, nobody had experimented with fitting a non-stock air filter or jets to their PC. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- 15 Jan 1996 19:17:59 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:14:56 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Group-ride to Palomar report (finally!) -Reply To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >>I'll need a mailing address to send the pictures from our trip >>and the pictures of the Utopia backrest :-). > >Both Waldo and Johan have sent me snapshots which I have >scanned and posted. If you want the photos back be sure to >include a SASE. (Waldo, yours went out in todays mail). >Send them to: > >Neill (Webster) Thompson >5640 E. Bell Rd #1043 >Scottsdale, AZ 85254 My shots will be in tomorrow's mail :-). Harrison 15 Jan 1996 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:24:17 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: New Member Intro (Jeffrey Morrison) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >NOW you tell me! Just yesterday (sunday) I pulled a bonehead stunt, thinking I >had reclosed it properly. A few miles down the road, I looked down and, guess >what! My PC's seamless bodywork isn't quite so seamless anymore. BTW, just >exactly how much is *bloody* expensive? > >Steve. Mine did the same thing last year! I saw it go sailing off into 405S traffic. I did resist the temptation to grab for it ;-). When you get a replacement, it will come with the strap :-}. Harrison | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:50:21 +0100 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: gorgon To: "'pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu'" Subject: RE: Just got mine! Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:44:43 +-100 Congratulations on your choice, Scott. Some small comfort to you: an '89 pc800 would cost me app. 8000 us dollars...(Holland, Europe) It's realy worth the investment, just ENJOY it ! ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com[SMTP:SCOTT_SWENSON@HP-Vancouver-om2.om.hp.com] Sent: donderdag 11 januari 1996 19:15 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Just got mine! Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Hello, I'm new to this list & to PC800's. Just picked up a used '89 PC800. Got it for $1,800. It's not in great shape - lots of sun damage & it has not been used for a couple years. I originally thought I'd just resell it in the summer & make a little profit on it, but now I find I might like it better then my Concours! It has seen several years of Sou. Cal sun, so the seat & backrest vinyl is toast. Any recommendations on a fix? I think these are my options: Let a local shop reupholster it, for $150 or less; Let Sargent do a reupholster job, for about $100 if the foam's ok; Find another stock seat in good shape from one of you; Buy an after-market seat for $$$. Any suggestions? Two-up comfort is important, so a passenger backrest is essential (it has the stock one now). Also, anyone have an owner's manual or a service manual they wish to sell? With all that bodywork, I'm having trouble doing the most basic maintenance. I can't figure out how to get the old battery out, or how to access the oil plug & filter. A manual would really help. Scott Swenson SSwenson@vcd.hp.com Vancouver, Washington 360-892-9584 AMA, COG, CMA, ...... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:38:33 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Coolant Cover In a message dated 96-01-15 19:58:06 EST, you write: >> Modifications: None significant. Did retrofit cuurent coolant access >> cover on fairing - people kept opening in parking lot. New cover has >> keeper strap to prevent loss if not properly secured. Cover is It reminds me of an event right after I bought my PC. I'd had the bike about two weeks and headed for the Retread Mid-Atlantic rally in Intercourse, PA. I had charted a route using Automap and was bound and determined to follow it . I didn't believe the map program when we reached East Strausburg (?), and instead of correctly heading south on a state route (2 ?), we ended up heading west and eventually south on the turnpike. O.K. ..... a car passed me on my left, and then I caught a glimpse of something just in front of my body and then it hit me in the chest and was gone. I glanced in the rearview and saw something bouncing down the road. A piece of tire? What? I then check around the panel and.....da#$ .... a gaping hole where the coolant cover shold have been. I pulled off to the shoulder as quickly as possible, and then walked and walked and walked back to where I thought the cover came off. Things weren't looking too good since there was a bridge and an embankment and I thought the cover might have gone down to the roadway below. Contrary to my normal luck, I decided that I was never going to find it, and started to turn around. Just as I did, there was the cover. A small abrasion where it had hit the road, but it had not been run over by any of the many cars that were behind me! Needless to say, I checked the latch many times over the next few days, and upon my return home, a little creative work with a small drill bit and a wire fishing leader, and the cover was never going to go sailing on it's own again !!! Wes St.Onge RETREADNY@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:27:46 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New pictures >From a Sad Sac, because I can't see the new pictures. I don't seem to have access to the web page http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800. This access limited to aol users? I can get to the other web site without any problem, http:/www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800 ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 near Philadelphia, PA. fax: (609) 722-4410 '89 PC800, '84 Helix (for my better half) AMA, HRC with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:50:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:55:03 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New pictures -Reply >>> Robert E. Marks 01/16/96 07:27am >>> >I don't seem to have access to the web page >http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800. >This access limited to aol users? No. I can get to the new AOL based version of the web page from my work account. At times, AOL may be slow and it may take a while. Other times, it is downright zippy. What response are you getting from the AOL page. I also registered the site on a number of search utilities. If I go to Net Search: http://home.netscape.com/home/internet-search.html and search for "Honda Pacific Coast" (use the quotes), I get both editions back in my search results. Try going at it via a search and see if you don't get some results. I added an odometer to the page and see that we have gotten several hits in less than 24 hours. I'm looking into 'forms' to try adding a visitor registration feature. If anybody else is having problems or continues to have problems, please let me know. You may contact me directly at: thompson@mail.trglink.com or nthompso@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 17:48:10 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Seat/wind shield for sale I have a like new seat and low windshield for 89 PC800 for sale. If interested... make an offer (no ridiculously low offers please) to stevea@sc.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 11:08:44 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New Member Intro (Jeffrey Morrison) On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Harrison Spain wrote: > >NOW you tell me! Just yesterday (sunday) I pulled a bonehead stunt, thinking I > >had reclosed it properly. A few miles down the road, I looked down and, guess > >what! My PC's seamless bodywork isn't quite so seamless anymore. BTW, just > >exactly how much is *bloody* expensive? > > > >Steve. > > Mine did the same thing last year! I saw it go sailing off into 405S > traffic. I did resist the temptation to grab for it ;-). > > When you get a replacement, it will come with the strap :-}. > > Harrison I have had a similar experience, although mine disappeared while the bike was parked in front of a bar (no chastisement needed ;) Your local Honda shops may be better than mine, but be sure to order all necessary pieces, including the latch and the screw which attaches the latch to the lid. The shop I ordered from neglected to order the screw, ( I made the silly assumption that it would come with the latch) and had none in stock to match. (Draw your own conclusions here.) Consequently, I ended up waiting an additional week or so for a stinkin' screw. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 17:13:50 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Carb jetting Someone asked about carburetor jetting after I mentioned that I had rebuilt my carbs and the "new" jetting didn't match the originals. The original main jets were dissimilar; the front cylinder being controlled by a 125 main jet, while the rear used a size 122 (actually 122.5, I believe). The needle jets were the same and the jet needles were different; a J64G in the rear cylinder's carb, with a J64E in the carb for the front. The "new" parts were: main jets=122, needles were both J64G now and the jet needles seem to be the same, but there is no number on them anywhere. Both fuel inlet seat/needle combo's carry a 2.6 stamped on them, which I believe indicates the relative size of the fuel opening. Motorcycles and other four stroke engines use lower numbers, while two strokes and snowmobiles use larger numbers. My guess is that two strokes need larger openings and more fuel/ unit of time, on occasion. The difference, if any, is a very slight lear surge before the engine's fully warmed. I notice it only at steady, light throttle. Mileage is as good or possibly slightly better than when new; back to the mid 50 MPG range in warm weather at speeds up to 65 or so. In retrospect, the only thing that needed replacement at 55K miles was the fuel inlet seat/needle combinations. The spring under the plunger was sacked out, whereas the new ones have more tension. Float height was raised back to new specs after their replacement. I have used a Fram CA3559 air filter from a mid 80s Dodge sucessfully in the PC. Cut out the old filter with a thin bladed knife and clean up the remaining paper remnants. Trim the rubber edging of the Fram (or equivalent) just enough to fit inside the opening with the pleats facing up. Use RTV rubber to "cement" the new filter in place and wait until it cures completely. Make sure the lowed edge of the plastic frame is even with the air filter bottom surgace. When you put the air box cover back on it will indent a couple of the pleats a bit, but it doesn't hurt anything. Sure beats Honda's price for the air cleaner element. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:43:05 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Archives Recently I saw a reference to archives on this board. How does one access them? I'm a novice to the internet, so be as explanatory as possible and take my lack of knowledge into account. I'm interested in reading of other's tips and ideas about the PC. Mine is an '89 with lots of miles (80K), and is still running strong. I'm a bit of a gearhead and have made some mods; some of which may be of interest to others as well. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rnielsen@isd.net Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Archives Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 23:11:34 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "RN" == Ray Nielsen writes: RN> Recently I saw a reference to archives on this board. You should have first seen the information in the message that was sent to you when you subscribed to the list. It looks like I'm going to have to completely rewrite this to be more understandable. Here's an attempt: >From a web browser, open >From an FTP client, open ftp.hpc.uh.edu and go to /pub/pc800/list-archive If you only have email, send the command index pc800 to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu to get a list of files, then send, for example, get pc800 pc800.9601 to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu to get the January, 1996 archives. You should send these commands in the body of an otherwise empty message. DO NOT send list commands to the list address. At best they'll be thrown away; at worst you'll annoy everyone on the list. Please note that there are 4.6MB of archives going back to June of 1994. Some of these files are very large (600KB); your email system may have trouble dealing with such large messages. Use FTP if at all possible. - J< From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Thu Jan 18 11:39:23 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Jan 96 12:30:56 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Flying covers. Hi, Eric. You wrote: > ...be sure to order all necessary pieces, including the latch and the screw which attaches the latch to the lid. ... Thanks for the tip; I'll make sure I double check the order. >Consequently, I ended up waiting an additional week or so for a stinkin' screw. I've often had to wait considerably more than a week for a stinkin' screw! X-( (Sorry... I couldn't resist) Steve From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Thu Jan 18 17:18:54 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:18:38 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> Cc: PC800 List Subject: Re: Flying covers. On 18 Jan 1996, Steve Schibuola wrote: > > I've often had to wait considerably more than a week for a stinkin' screw! X-( > > (Sorry... I couldn't resist) > > Steve > > Ok wise guy...I actually prefer that they don't stink... Eric From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Thu Jan 18 21:13:11 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:11:46 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Thanks for the information, but - - - Thanks for the directions on accessing the archives. I see that I'll have to go to Barnes & Nobles to get some books on how to translate them into English. I'll do my homework and then maybe try to access archives. Just in case I can't find out easily: What's a web browser? What's an ftp client? What's a list command? My son set up this for me and I find it quite unusable with my present lack of knowledge. I have icons on my windows screen that show Trumpet-TPC, Trumpet-Winsock, Eudora and Netscape. I know how to access e-mail, but not much else; anyone recommend good reading re: learning more? From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Thu Jan 18 23:04:43 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rnielsen@isd.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for the information, but - - - Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:04:38 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III [I'll keep this to the list at large, just in case anyone else is in the dark about this.] >>>>> "RN" == Ray Nielsen writes: RN> Thanks for the directions on accessing the archives. I see that I'll RN> have to go to Barnes & Nobles to get some books on how to translate RN> them into English. They were about as close to English as you can get without telling you exactly what buttons to press. I'll try to do that, but since I don't have exactly the same software as you do I may not be exactly correct. RN> Just in case I can't find out easily: What's a web browser? Oh, you'll find that out easily. It's a program which allows you to access the World Wide Web from your machine. Netscape is the name of the most common one, which it seems you have. If you have Netscape but don't know what a web browser is I seriously you suggest that you both buy a book (though I can't recommend one) and start Netscape and click on the Help menu. There's plenty of information there. RN> What's an ftp client? A piece of software that allows you to use the standard File Transfer Protocol (FTP) to retrieve a file from a remote location on the net. A machine that offers files that you can FTP (it's used as a verb, too) is called an FTP site. If you have Netscape you don't need to worry about this as it supports FTP internally. RN> What's a list command? I didn't use the phrase "list command" in my explanation (perhaps someone else responded), but if you think about it I'm sure you'll see that when you deal with a mailing list, you send instructions (_commands_) to either a piece of software or a human who takes care of the mailing _list_. Hence "list command". You somehow managed to tell the software that runs this mailing list that you wanted to subscribe to it. You did that by sending a message containing a few words to an email address. If you want to get the index and the files, you could send the commands I outlined in my previous explanation, or you could simply access my site through Netscape. If you're reading mail with Netscape, the following will appear as a clickable button which will take you to the site with the PC800 list archives: If not, then find the menu item that says "Open Location" or "Open URL" or something like it, select it, and enter (exactly): ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/pc800/list-archive/ Now, a personal note. I've been on the net for a number of years now. I even remember the great renaming, though I can't for the life of me recall when it was. (It's nostalgia; if you don't know, don't ask.) People used to look at me funny for spending too much time online. These days, though, things are different. I now understand how a doctor or a dentist feels, with people constantly asking them medical questions when they want to do other things. This list exists to talk about Hondas, not Netscape. I understand that the documentation I provide is woefully inadequate for it's purpose today, though it was close to sufficient 18 months ago. (Amazing.) I welcome help in revising it, perhaps from someone who isn't nearly as close to the technology and its jargon as I am. BUT (there's always a but, and sometimes there's even a point) there is a line beyond which some are asking others to do too much for them. Would you walk into a restaurant with 100 diners, stand up and yell "I don't know how to use a fork"? I know it's a goofy and probably somewhat harsh analogy, but consider the fact that there are 94 subscribers to this mailing list. Please try to exercise the rule that you ask those near you for help before you ask the entire net. If you can't find help there, please contact me personally (at tibbs@uh.edu or my office number at the bottom of this message) instead of filling the mailboxes of other list members. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Fri Jan 19 12:50:40 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:50:35 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: He's baaack! Priority: non-urgent >Just to keep Juan on edge- the temperature today in Tucson was 80. I spent >an hour sunbathing on the patio. It's a tough life, but someone has to make >the sacrifice! >Warm (!) regards- No edges to keep me on.... I was THERE, experiencing the above average temperatures being experienced in the "Valley of the Sun". Though I never quite made it to Tucson I did get to visit the Arizona Desert Museum. Very nice. Ed, Neill, after visiting many of the landmarks of your beautiful state, I think I know why AZ is so dry. It's full of holes! You got the Grand Canyon, the Meteor Crater, the GC Caverns, etc etc. No wonder all the water drained out! : - ) Never the less, I believe AZ merits a second visit, on my PC. One of these years, sigh... Say Neill, was that you on Jan 11th, say around 12:25 at the corner of 56th and Shea in Scottsdale? It was a black PC with rider and passenger. Tried to catch up but my rental cage couldn't squirt through traffic fast enough. Four weeks of vacation, and the total PC sightings was a LOW 3. One crossing the Lions Gate bridge in Vancouver BC( an '89 with a tall windshield) and '89 in Phoenix, and the black one the might have been Neill. I was very surprised to see how _few_ riders I saw overall, considering the great riding weather in AZ. I saw more bikes in Vancouver and Seattle! Another observation from a one time tourist. In So. AZ cruisers are the most conspicuos (sp?) bike. Is this a fact? Anyway, more later. -30F and _still_ no snow. Ed, if the temperature stays like that.... don't tell me. : - ) Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Back in territorial days, a popular law in Alaska allowed for shooting anyone that asked: "Cold enough for ya?" Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Fri Jan 19 13:27:50 1996 with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:30:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:35:10 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: He's baaack! -Reply Priority: non-urgent >Say Neill, was that you on Jan 11th, say around 12:25 at >the corner of 56th and Shea in Scottsdale? It was a black >PC with rider and passenger. Tried to catch up but my >rental cage couldn't squirt through traffic fast enough. We'll it _is_ the right part of town. Stephanie and I live just a few miles north of Shea, just off of 56th St. I go through that intersection going to and from work (M-F). Being a '94, Little Wing _is_ black. But looking at the calendar, the 11th would have been a Thursday and both of us would have been at work at that time of the day. Therefore, I would have to say, "I don't think so." But very spooky since I almost never see PC's on the street. I know they are out there but as per your experience, not alot of them. I have to apologize. I tried (but not very well) to put together a get together and it didn't happen. I'll use the holiday confusion excuse, OK? Once I realized that I was way behind, you had left home already and I didn't know how to get in touch with you. Sorry it didn't come off, I would have liked to meet you in person. Did you rent a bike while you were in the area? How did it work out? I am still envious of the Mt. Palomar group and the idea of a PC group ride still haunts me. If any of you are in the Phoenix area and would like to go for a day ride together, one of these weekends, drop me a line and propose a date and/or route. See ya. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Fri Jan 19 18:03:43 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:54:11 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: pc800 mailinglist Subject: New to list Priority: non-urgent Hi, as asked in the msg when I joined the list here some info: Name : S. Kruit Location : Renesse, Zld, Nederland, Europe Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl PC model : '89, it's white ;) (and I'v been told Canadian -> km dials) Bought : second-hand with only 7000km on the dial Modifications : Mud-guard on the front-wheel fender. I've only a driving-license for a bike, so I ride throught out the year. Appr. 1200 km (750mls) a month. Bas --- "Oh bugger! Those damned dwarves still haven't fixed my warpdrive." --- Esme Weatherwax tries warp 9 with her Galaxy-class broomstick Email bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl (fast ;) or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Sat Jan 20 00:13:11 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Sebastiaan Kruit Cc: pc800 mailinglist Subject: Re: New to list Priority: non-urgent Welcome, Sebastiaan. You did well to find an '89 PC with only 7000km. I was in Amsterdam last summer - very nice. Hope you enjoy the page. Richard Hardy, San Diego, California. On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Sebastiaan Kruit wrote: > Hi, > > as asked in the msg when I joined the list here some info: > > Name : S. Kruit > Location : Renesse, Zld, Nederland, Europe > Email : bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl > PC model : '89, it's white ;) (and I'v been told Canadian -> km dials) > Bought : second-hand with only 7000km on the dial > Modifications : Mud-guard on the front-wheel fender. > > I've only a driving-license for a bike, so I ride throught out the year. Appr. > 1200 km (750mls) a month. > > Bas > --- > "Oh bugger! Those damned dwarves still haven't fixed my warpdrive." > --- Esme Weatherwax tries warp 9 with her Galaxy-class broomstick > > Email bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl (fast ;) or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl > > From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Sat Jan 20 07:56:20 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Clelaw@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 08:55:46 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: delete name Priority: non-urgent Please delete my name from the mailing list. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Sat Jan 20 09:34:32 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:34:00 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC 800 -- Help! Us Find France in North America Priority: non-urgent Jan. 20, 1995 TO: PC 800 Riders ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Norskar (---'95 PC in CT) DoD 1895 Earlier this year, I read (in Rider, I think-) about two islands that are the only French territories in North America. The islands between Nova Scotia and Newfoundland are called St. Pierre and Miquelon Can anybody help me get my hands on a copy of that motorcycle magazine? Or, can anybody tell me where I can stay once I reach the islands? Any tips on getting there from New Enland? Please post your answers or e-mail me at Norskar@aol.com Thanks, - From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 07:22:52 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: husky@interserv.com (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for pc800@tcamc.uh.edu); Mon, 22 Jan 1996 05:22:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 05:22:36 -0800 Subject: Honda Pacific Coast To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: non-urgent My name is Ben Turner of Glendale Heights, Il My E-mail is husky@interserv.com I don't have a PC but am interested in buying one. I used to have a Suzuki GS 1000 about 12 years ago, then had a Honda Silverwing. What should I expect to pay for a new PC and/or a used PC? What problems have you had? Is it powerful enough to do some long distance touring? Is it a comfortable ride? Is there a list of used PC's for sale somewhere on the net? Thanks for any help that you can give me. Ben From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 08:02:00 1996 ID ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:00:22 -0500 (EST) ID ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:00:20 -0500 (EST) via MS.5.6.unix3.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:00:20 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Honda Pacific Coast Priority: non-urgent I just subscribed to this list... I have an '89 (the white model) PC, that I bought new in '91. I'm glad to see they're making them again. Its the only bike I've ever owned so I have nothing to compare it to, but I think its great. I don't know if you can still find new '89 and '90 models, but I got mine for about $4k. In got in Columbus, Ohio. In the first three years I owned it I put 15k miles on it, going on a number of interstate trips from Tennesse to Illinois and much in between. A VERY compfortable ride, but again, I've got no comparision. Kevin Olalde husky@interserv.com writes: > My name is Ben Turner of Glendale Heights, Il > My E-mail is husky@interserv.com > I don't have a PC but am interested in buying one. > I used to have a Suzuki GS 1000 about 12 years ago, then > had a Honda Silverwing. What should I expect to pay for a > new PC and/or a used PC? What problems have you had? Is it powerful enough to > do some long distance touring? Is it a comfortable ride? Is there a list of > used PC's for sale somewhere on the net? > Thanks for any help that you can give me. > Ben > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 12:07:08 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RLRenoNV@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:06:17 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Is the PC800 a fat scooter or a good bike? Priority: non-urgent I am going to purchase a "street bike" this spring. For some reason I am drawn to the PC800. My primary motorcycling thrills are found on the fire roads and trails of the Sierra Nevada mountains, so a street bike need only be fun. I am thinking of a red 1990. This is because of the number of modifications Honda made to the 1989, and the price increase of the 1994. I value your collective opinion regarding the PC800, therefore, it it a bike that I can: 1) Provide fun on the tight mountain back roads (ie: sport bike use); 2) Rest in my garage, without complaint, while I lavish attention on my dirt bikes (ie: I don't wrench on street bikes ((too complicated)); 3) Provide years of dependable use; 4) Be a comfortable mount for 1500 to 2500 mile trips with my BMW friends (eg: one 2500 mile run on a K1000 left me with the worst monkey butt)? Given unlimited funds I would buy one of the new boxer BMW's, but this desire is for a part time bike to chase my street bike friends. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 12:37:14 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:37:09 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: passing this along Priority: non-urgent Howdy everyone. With the recent thread about stealth PC's from Cory I though this would be funny enough to submit to the list. Maybe we can accomplish a similar feat once we figure out how to shoehorn the 1100 engine into the PC, plus a supercharger and some giggle gas! : - ) Juan PS. my wife sent this to me to pass along to you. >>>A snippet spotted in Pilot Magazine and entered in Bike Magazine: >>> >>>The article was entitled "In a hurry are we, sir?" ( British Police Wit). >>> >>>Two members of the Lothian and Borders traffic police were out on the >>>Berwickshire moors with a radar gun recently, happily engaged in >>>apprehending speeding motorists, when their equipment suddenly locked-up >>>completely with an unexpected reading of well over 300 mph. The mystery was >>>explained seconds later as a low flying Harrier hurtled over their heads. >>>The boys in blue, upset at the damage to their radar gun, put in a complaint >>>to the RAF, but were somewhat chastened when the RAF pointed out that the >>>damage might well have been more severe. The Harrier's target-seeker had >>>locked on to the'enemy' radar and triggered an automatic retaliatory >>>air-to-surface missile attack. Luckily(?) the Harrier was operating unarmed. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Back in territorial days, a popular law in Alaska allowed for shooting anyone that asked: "Cold enough for ya?" Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 13:19:31 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 11:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: RLRenoNV@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Is the PC800 a fat scooter or a good bike? Priority: non-urgent It is a motorcycle. In reply to your questions: YES, to all. What other bike can say that? From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 14:07:02 1996 ID ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:06:01 -0500 (EST) ID ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) via MS.5.6.unix3.sun4_40; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: RLRenoNV@aol.com Subject: Re: Is the PC800 a fat scooter or a good bike? Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: non-urgent I also get some kicks on trails (using a honda 250XR), and my day to day needs are handled very well with my '89 PC (bought new in '91). If you can still get a '90 PC, GET IT! I've taken mine for rides though most of Ohio, but I've also taken though West Virginia and Tennesse down some great steep and twisted roads. The PC is a bit on the heavy side, but it goes over well and lets you use plenty of rubber on the sides of your tires. I've done almost the same things you're asking about: 1) I've never taken it out West but there are some great roads in the 'hills' on this side of the country too. Illinois is as far West as its gone, not a log of chances for sport riding, but you'll be greatful for the full seat and good seating postion. 2) I've only performed routine (and minimal) maint. on it. New oil, filters, and rubber....I've never even seen the engine and I've got 18k on it, unlike the XR and CRs I've ridden, I've seen those engines from the inside, rings, valves, ..... 3) see 2) 4) From Columbus, to top of Virginia, down to Gatlinburg TN, then up through Kentucky, back to Ohio, no 'butt monkeys'. I would'nt mind being able to lean back just a bit more, but for both curved roads and straight hiways, its a comfortable ride. All that and a trunk too. Can you tell I like it? Kevin Olalde P.S. I'm not sure about the '90s, but my '89 model had a rather smallish windshield, I installed the larger version. My head gets much less wind, although it has caused the bike to buffet (sp?) a bit a higher speeds 90+(but as my wife tells me, you're not supposed to go that fast anyway ;-). RLRenoNV@aol.com writes: > I am going to purchase a "street bike" this spring. For some reason I am > drawn to the PC800. My primary motorcycling thrills are found on the fire > roads and trails of the Sierra Nevada mountains, so a street bike need only > be fun. I am thinking of a red 1990. This is because of the number of > modifications Honda made to the 1989, and the price increase of the 1994. > > I value your collective opinion regarding the PC800, therefore, it it a bike > that I can: 1) Provide fun on the tight mountain back roads (ie: sport bike > use); 2) Rest in my garage, without complaint, while I lavish attention on my > dirt bikes (ie: I don't wrench on street bikes ((too complicated)); 3) > Provide years of dependable use; 4) Be a comfortable mount for 1500 to 2500 > mile trips with my BMW friends (eg: one 2500 mile run on a K1000 left me with > the worst monkey butt)? > > Given unlimited funds I would buy one of the new boxer BMW's, but this desire > is for a part time bike to chase my street bike friends. > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 15:04:23 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:58:20 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Two PC800's available - NYC (Honda dealer) Priority: non-urgent I just got a call from Plaza Honda in Brooklyn (NYC). They have two PC's for sale. #1 1995 (Black) ~400 miles. Under warranty. Asking $7499. #2 1990 (Red) 13,000 miles. Asking $4999. Ask for Phil @ Plaza Honda (718) 339-4700. Please let me know how they treat you, and if you wind up getting a bike from them. - Jeff Burack From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 15:54:24 1996 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:54:47 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:01:45 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: More Pictures n' stuff Priority: non-urgent Exciting news folks, new stuff on the web. For any newcomers thats: http://members.aol.com/wwwpc800 Look under pictures and go to the end of the list. (Perhaps I should put them in order from most recent to oldest?) Harrison Spain sent me some pictures from the Mt. Palomar trip and of his Utopia driver's backrest. I only scanned two thus far but I wanted to get them posted ASAP. Ed "long ride" Johnson's trip report is also available under "Trip Reports". There have been several other changes recently so if you haven't been in a while, you might check back. Remember, under "Revision History" I have tried to capture a summary of the changes. I got the following email last week: >Hey, Neil, how about updating the site to something cool? We are an advertising agency >that specializes in interactive and two of the top guys ride PCs. Maybe we can have an >actual homepage??? Call Fred Walti at 213 857 5115 and tell him Sam said he should >build all of us PC lovers our own site. He's such a PC nut, he just might do it. I will help >him if he says yes. > >Sam Hershfield What do you folks think? Should I turn the web page over to these guys? Harrison, since you didn't send a SASE, I'm assuming that you don't care if you don't get the pictures back. If you want em, let me know. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 20:09:23 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:09:18 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re: PC800- The following tri Priority: non-urgent Hello George, I finally finished reading the 400+ messages that were waiting for me after my vacation, so now I can respond to some. In the same spirit of your question (ie, not a flame) here it goes: It is a matter of perspective. For you the cold, darkness, mosquitoes, etc constitute a hostile environment. Sure, it's no walk in the park, but not bad all things considered. To me a hostile environment is traffic gridlock everyday - morning and evening, crazies straffing by at 80 - 90 miles an hour with no regard to the two second rule, target shooting on the freeway, smog hanging over you all the time... well, you get my drift. I hope this might give you some insight as to why a few of us (comparatively) chose to live in a place like Fairbanks. Cheers. Juan >P.P.S. Could someone explain to me why people who claim to like motorcycling >live in places where is -45 degrees, sun comes out for a few hours every day >for six months, and the environment is so hostile (e.g. - summer comes with >zillion mosquitos etc.) This is not a flame, just curiosity, and I am not >talking about Chicago or New York, I mean Fairbanks or Alaska in general. >Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------ Back in territorial days, a popular law in Alaska allowed for shooting anyone that asked: "Cold enough for ya?" Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Mon Jan 22 21:24:29 1996 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:24:09 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:01:54 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: Neill Thompson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: More Pictures n' stuff Priority: non-urgent hey..why not let the ad people do it! should be BIG fun..and....since I'm in the business of writing music for TV and Radio commercials...maybe we should hook up! I just finished a few Ford spots for Taurus in the NorthWest this week..wheeee.. IT"S SNOWING...I HATE RIDING IN THIS CRAP. (ok..I'm done whining) I can deal with the rain..not the snow..VERY glad my PC is as heavy as it is...made it home safely and didn't think I would.. HEY HARRISON..I like the back rest...will it work with a Corbin??? -- Dave Gross and Baron George Von Helldog {WOOF} "Ain't nuthin but the dog in me..." From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 01:14:16 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: dkgross@halcyon.com Cc: thompson@mail.trglink.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: More Pictures n' stuff Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:14:13 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent >>>>> "DG" == Dave Gross writes: DG> hey..why not let the ad people do it! Nobody should stop anyone else from doing a web page. There can be more than one, you know. Heck, I'd do one myself, except that I have too many other things to do. DG> IT"S SNOWING...I HATE RIDING IN THIS CRAP. (ok..I'm done whining) I just can't comprehend riding in snow. Of course, it's been many years since I've even seen show, and that was in Utah. You can actually ride in that stuff? Skiing with rubber skis and 600 pound boots doesn't sound terribly fun. - J< Oh, yeah. I hope nobody minds the little message below. It gets tacked on to every message now. I got tired of dealing with those who couldn't be bothered to save the instructions. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 01:30:26 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: husky@interserv.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Honda Pacific Coast Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:30:23 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent >>>>> "B" == husky writes: B> What should I expect to pay for a new PC and/or a used PC? New list is now something over $8K. Used prices range from upwards of $7K down to $3K depending on milage, year, condition, etc. The days of new leftover 1990 models for $3.5K are long gone. (Yes, this really happened in mid 1993). There have been no changes except color since 1990; the 1989 model was only slightly different. B> What problems have you had? There have recently been reports of a fuel vapor leak on high-milage machines but it's not a very big deal. Other than that, I can't think of anything. The engine doesn't need valve adjustment, or anything else except the standard adjustments. Service intervals (according to the Honda repair manual) in any case are ridiculously long. B> Is it powerful enough to do some long distance touring? That depends on your definition of power. The bike does to some degree lack balls. That isn't to say that it can't get up and go, but just that 60 horsepower and 600 pounds doesn't make for superbike-class quarter mile times. Ride one first if you really have to know. (At least try to ride one first in any case.) B> Is it a comfortable ride? I would fall asleep before my rear would. B> Is there a list of used PC's for sale somewhere on the net? Not to my knowledge, but if any of us notices one we usually post it here. By all means, download and read the archives. There's a whole bunch of information there. - J< From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 03:03:16 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:57:02 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: the little message below Priority: non-urgent On Tue, Jan 23, 1996 1:14:13 AM at Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >Oh, yeah. I hope nobody minds the little message below. It gets tacked on >to every message now. I got tired of dealing with those who couldn't be >bothered to save the instructions. >-- >To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a >message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. >To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. Jason, I think that's a good idea. I would also suggest adding the web page URL, if possible. From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 09:19:41 1996 X-WB-AREA-HUB.XEROX X-WB-NGM-MIME.XEROX x-wb-0129-ms1.xerox ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 06:51:36 PST From: Jon_Dickason@wb.xerox.com (Dickason,Jon) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: introduction from a new subscriber Priority: non-urgent greetings everyone, I just subscribed to the mailing list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Jon Dickason. I'm a Novell LAN administrator at Xerox in Rochester NY. I currently have a Kawasaki EX500 (almost a ninja) that is very uncomfortable for any ride over an hour. I was trying to convince myself to buy a Pacific Coast last year for around $7K, now I see the 96s are $8.5K! I hope I can find a leftover '95. Used PCs are rare around here. I'm trying to plan a business trip to southern California and work in some PC shopping while there. I'm also considering selling my two jet skiis and getting a small jet boat (my knees aren't as young as they used to be). I'm looking forward to reading the e-mail. The web page is great too. JD From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 10:49:01 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 Jan 96 11:47:38 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: More Pictures n' stuff Priority: non-urgent Hi, Neill. You wrote: >What do you folks think? Should I turn the web page over to these guys? Given the hard work you've put into it and the great result, I'm not sure you'd want to just "turn" over the page to someone else [especially advertising guys! *shudder* :-) ] But it's probably worth checking out, just to see what they can do. Maybe you could retain "creative" control? Steve From pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 23 14:18:00 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:17:09 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: "J. Burack" Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Re: PC800 available - Priority: non-urgent On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, J. Burack wrote: > I just got a call from Plaza Honda in Brooklyn (NYC). They have two PC's > for sale. > > #1 1995 (Black) ~400 miles. Under warranty. Asking $7499. > > #2 1990 (Red) 13,000 miles. Asking $4999. > > Ask for Phil @ Plaza Honda (718) 339-4700. Please let me know how they > treat you, and if you wind up getting a bike from them. > Heh. Barnett Harley-Davidson in Hell Paso TX (ads _everywhere_) has ( or at least had a couple weeks ago) an '89 PC advertised at $1799. (or was it $1699? *shrug*) They charge positively stoopid prices for Harleys, but this is a "rice burner" and none-too-popular one at that (in El Paso anyway ;) so it may be ok. anyway, nearly every mag has a Barnett ad in it somewhere. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:04:28 -0600 Subject: '89 PC for Sale Priority: normal Priority: non-urgent As of about a week ago, Norman Cycle in Norman, Oklahoma still had an '89 for sale with approximately 27K miles on it. Ruby examined it (I've been on graveyards and unable to visit bike shops without sacrificing sleep; thankfully that's over) but I do not recall the price. Norman Cycle is reachable at (405)364-4980. -Michael Keller [AB5EL, TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Earth, Sol System, Orion Arm. . . . with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:30:38 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 08:37:07 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: non-urgent Well, I cut the cord, we are off on our own now with our own web page. I mailed Loki Jorgenson (our former web page host) and asked him to point to our new address, which he has done. I thanked him for his gracious support over the past ~14 months. He replied with the request below so I am forwarding it to the group. Yes, it's true, anybody can publish on the web and as Loki says, they should. I thought the Hirschfield thing was funny coming up after we've been "on the air" for over a year. The bit about a "real" homepage and "really cool" kinda got to me. I thought his implication was I should turn it over to them. If you recognize the name, it's because he's associated with some kind of PC Owners club which has been listed on our page under "Support Organizations" for some time now. I just recently deleted the address however because I wrote to the only address I had and the Post Office returned my letter as undeliverable. I did respond to his message with a request for a current address. Later, Neill (Webster) Thompson >Subj: Re: PC800 Web Page >Date: 96-01-22 20:39:54 EST >From: loki@cecm.sfu.ca (Loki Jorgenson) >To: NThompso@aol.com >Neill, > Good job on setting up your own site. I was happy to >provide the support you needed to stay available until you >did. That's the nature of the 'Net; everyone can publish. >And so you should. Looks good. Keep it up. > > I have put a server-side push enhanced "moved" page >in place of the PC800 page. Please check that it works. > >P.S. If you want to return the favour, encourage users to >write reviews for the Archives. Especially PC800s of >course... :o) And point at the Archives. > {snip} > >--- _ ___ >'gards, \\ / ___\ > \\(=/___ >Loki Jorgenson \/ ___/ Keeper of the >Reviews (KotR) >loki@cecm.sfu.ca / / Centre for >Experimental & >(604) 291-5616/3331 / // \ Constructive >Mathematics >(fax) 291-5614/4947 / / \ \ Simon Fraser >University >ftp: ftp.cecm.sfu.ca (o/ \__) Burnaby, B.C. >CANADA >http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR.html V5A 1S6 > > -* Mechanistically sociopathic *- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:32:09 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:40:55 +0000 From: Dave Gross To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Priority: non-urgent and what's wrong with us AD guys???? heheheeee nice new www page.. I like it...how about taking the photos and doing the THUMBNAIL thing with them...little previews.... and, to the ad agency...let me know where I can send a bio of MY company...I'm a jingle/music/post-production audio guy. Dave Gross dkgross@halcyon.com ID ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:15:35 -0500 (EST) ID ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:15:34 -0500 (EST) via MS.5.6.unix3.sun4_40; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:15:34 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: what are the URLs Priority: non-urgent I'm pretty new around this group, I've seen a couple of emails taking about web page(s), could someone post the URLs? Thanks, Kevin Olalde ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: what are the URLs Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:04:13 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent >>>>> "KO" == Kevin Olalde writes: KO> I'm pretty new around this group, I've seen a couple of emails taking KO> about web page(s), could someone post the URLs? We've just gone through some changes; the pages are now located at . This URL will appear in the everyone think this is visible enough? Does anyone's mailer hide these things? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 04:34:59 -0500 To: Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: what are the URLs Priority: non-urgent On Wed, Jan 24, 1996 12:04:13 AM at Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >Does >everyone think this is visible enough? Does anyone's mailer hide these >things? My mailer hides those things, unless I specify show headers, which I generally have no need for. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 07:48:44 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: thompson@mail.trglink.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Priority: non-urgent ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/24/96 07:57 ## Thanks for keeping the page, Neill. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: thompson@mail.trglink.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/23/96 08:37 ## Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:01:08 -0600 Subject: Re: what are the URLs CC: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: normal Priority: non-urgent > We've just gone through some changes; the pages are now located at > . This URL will appear in the > Does everyone think this is visible enough? Does anyone's mailer > hide these things? Pegasus Mail normally hides all "X-"-prefixed lines. If I don't know I should turn on Display All Headers, I'll miss it (but I already have the URL. . . .). -Michael Keller [AB5EL, TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Earth, Sol System, Orion Arm. . . . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: Dave Gross Cc: "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: More Pictures n' stuff Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:55:11 -0800 Priority: non-urgent Dave sez: IT"S SNOWING...I HATE RIDING IN THIS CRAP. (ok..I'm done whining) I can deal with the rain..not the snow..VERY glad my PC is as heavy as it is...made it home safely and didn't think I would.. I have to admit to a funny story of riding in the snow. Last Friday morning I was heading home through the snow/slush of Seattle from Bellevue to Kirkland , 8 miles away. The roads were mostly clear and no big deal to ride the bike on -- heck it's only a couple inches right? However just 2 blocks from my house the slush turned to real snow and I had to negotiate a small downhill, a right hand turn, and then a short uphil to my house. Needless to say my feet were outriggers as I slid to the bottom of the first hill. I made the turn SLOWLY and lined up the bike on some tire tracks. 10 feet up the hill the back wheel is spinning. I roll off the throttle, brake, and as the front wheel locks and just slides backwards down the hill. Quickly I lift my right leg and brake. I again try to go forward but can't. Situation: I'm in the middle of the road, on a white bike, in the snow, and I can't safely go forward or back. I park the bike and run to my house to get some real boots I can push with. A retired gentleman across the street sees my predicament and gets his boots on to come help. The two of use first try pushing the PC up the hill. Lesson 1: 700lbs motorcycles can't be pushed up hill -- especially in the snow. We try rolling it back. Lesson 2: 700lbs motorcycles will slide and are very hard for two people to hold up on a slick hill. Solution: Gotta go up if you're going to make it to the shoulder. I ask my neighbor to push from the back while I try to throttle the bike up the hill. With wheels spinning and lots of fishtailing we succeed in getting the bike to go a slow diagonal path up the hill and to the side. Total elapsed time was probably 20 minutes to go the 10 yards. I put the bike cover on and headed off for work. The Seattle rain that afternoon took care of the snow and all was well again for a Saturday ride. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 20:58:12 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: rnielsen@isd.net (Ray Nielsen) Subject: Confusion about addresses Priority: non-urgent I've been wandering around the archives and using Netscape I've found other references to this mailing list. I'm having trouble understanding all the different addresses that would appear quite similar. When would I use the following? Thanks for the help. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rnielsen@isd.net Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Confusion about addresses Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:47:04 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent >>>>> "RN" == Ray Nielsen writes: RN> I'm having trouble understanding all the different addresses that would RN> appear quite similar. When would I use the following? It doesn't matter: XYX:lucien:~> host sina.hpc.uh.edu sina.hpc.uh.edu has address 129.7.3.5 sina.hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by sina.hpc.uh.edu sina.hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by post-office.uh.edu XYX:lucien:~> host hpc.uh.edu hpc.uh.edu has address 129.7.3.5 hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by post-office.uh.edu hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by sina.hpc.uh.edu XYX:lucien:~> host tcamc.uh.edu tcamc.uh.edu mail is handled by sina.hpc.uh.edu XYX:lucien:~> host sina.tcamc.uh.edu sina.tcamc.uh.edu is a nickname for sina.hpc.uh.edu sina.hpc.uh.edu has address 129.7.3.5 sina.hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by post-office.uh.edu sina.hpc.uh.edu mail is handled by sina.hpc.uh.edu Technically all mail should go to user@hpc.uh.edu, but other addresses will continue to work for eternity. I myself have at least thirty email addresses, all of which eventually end up at the same place. It's futile to make sure all information that everyone has is up to date. If anyone has personal control over any information (i.e. Neill), please try to update things. Also, all FTP should go through ftp.hpc.uh.edu even though that is currently the same as the other four addresses. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 03:07:11 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: URL in Footer not Header Priority: non-urgent >>Does >>everyone think this is visible enough? Does anyone's mailer hide these >>things? I think, IMHO, the URL should be with the unsuscribe in the footer. But, if anyone is really curios they can hang around for a while and find the URL. Hello to everyone out there. I am really enjoying learning all about street motorcycling escpecially about my PC800. Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 11:30:24 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: New HSTA user group now on-line Priority: non-urgent ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/25/96 11:31 ## Hi, fellow PCers. This is how to get on the HSTA list. You don't have to be a member to subscribe, all brands and models welcome. They also have a web page at http://members.aol.com/hstawww Enjoy. Roger Prince HSTA #0023 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: dparish@randomhouse.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/28/95 05:49 ## The HSTA now has a "list server" available for you to use to correspond with like minded HSTAer's. The address to get on this list is: listproc@listproc.bgsu.edu simply type in: subscribe hsta (your name) in the body of the note and you're in. This list is being done compliments of HSTA member, Vic Norton in Ohio. We are also working on a home page, but haven't quite got that done yet. Anyone interested in helping on the home page should contact Brian "Tink" Tinkler at: tinkler@ix.netcom.com. Other electornic news is that Todd Nunnally, the new Secretary of the HSTA has added a info page and a HSTA membership application to the Library section of the Motorcycle forum in Compuserve for those interested. It's only been up for a couple of days and has already had 75 "hits". Enjoy, Moose ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: Bryce Ulrich Cc: Dave Gross , "pc800@hpc.uh.edu" Subject: RE: More Pictures n' stuff Priority: non-urgent What fun! I sure envy you that snow and slush. We miss all that here in San Diego. I know where you're coming from, and it was a nice reminder as to why I left my native Maine. Well written article. The details made it easy to "be there". Thanks. Richard Hardy On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Bryce Ulrich wrote: > > Dave sez: > IT"S SNOWING...I HATE RIDING IN THIS CRAP. > (ok..I'm done whining) I can deal with the rain..not the snow..VERY glad > my PC is as heavy as it is...made it home safely and didn't think I would.. > > I have to admit to a funny story of riding in the snow. Last Friday morning > I was heading home through the snow/slush of Seattle from Bellevue to > Kirkland , 8 miles away. The roads were mostly clear and no big deal to > ride the bike on -- heck it's only a couple inches right? > > However just 2 blocks from my house the slush turned to real snow and I had > to negotiate a small downhill, a right hand turn, and then a short uphil to > my house. Needless to say my feet were outriggers as I slid to the bottom > of the first hill. I made the turn SLOWLY and lined up the bike on some > tire tracks. 10 feet up the hill the back wheel is spinning. I roll off > the throttle, brake, and as the front wheel locks and just slides backwards > down the hill. Quickly I lift my right leg and brake. I again try to go > forward but can't. > > Situation: I'm in the middle of the road, on a white bike, in the snow, and > I can't safely go forward or back. > > I park the bike and run to my house to get some real boots I can push with. > A retired gentleman across the street sees my predicament and gets his > boots on to come help. > > The two of use first try pushing the PC up the hill. Lesson 1: 700lbs > motorcycles can't be pushed up hill -- especially in the snow. We try > rolling it back. Lesson 2: 700lbs motorcycles will slide and are very hard > for two people to hold up on a slick hill. > > Solution: Gotta go up if you're going to make it to the shoulder. > > I ask my neighbor to push from the back while I try to throttle the bike up > the hill. With wheels spinning and lots of fishtailing we succeed in > getting the bike to go a slow diagonal path up the hill and to the side. > Total elapsed time was probably 20 minutes to go the 10 yards. > > I put the bike cover on and headed off for work. The Seattle rain that > afternoon took care of the snow and all was well again for a Saturday ride. > > -bryceu > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 > Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA > '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe pc800" in the body of a > message to majordomo@hpc.uh.edu. > To report problems, send mail to pc800-owner@hpc.uh.edu. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: OK, how's this? Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:18:50 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent It occurred to me that the people who most need to see unsubscription and URL information are those most likely to have mailers which hide important information and who are least likely to know how to make their software show that information. Hence the (hopefully) final trailer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:15:22 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) Subject: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent Looking for a couple of tips: 1. I need to take a business trip out to the desert in the next couple of weeks and need to take my car to carry all the accessories & be prepared for whatever weather I might encounter. I would like to take my '89 PC800 (White) along on my motorcycle trailer. However, I don't see how I would strap the bike down to secure it to the trailer. Has anyone figured out an elegant way to do this. Rumor has it Honda once published a procedure, but if they did, they now refuse to acknowledge it for fear of liability. If worse comes to worse, I'll just take my Suzuki GS850 instead, but I really prefer the PC for touring. 2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the bottom half of this bike. I made the mistake of buying a can of Honda's touch up paint ($30 !!!!), but it is nothing like the original color. Any suggestions for touch-ups to the bumper covers? Thanks in advance, J. Morrison. **************************************************************************** The Following is current as of 1 December 1995: Jeffrey G. Morrison, Ph.D. Naval Command, Control and Ocean Survelliance Center RDT&E Division, Code 44210 53560 Hull Street San Diego, CA 92152-5001 Phone: (619) 553-9070 DEFTT Lab: (619) 553-7998 Fax: (619) 553-9229 E-Mail: jmorriso@nosc.mil HOME: 3675 Alexia Place San Diego, CA 92116-2236 (619) 280-8098 NOTE: Binary files are encoded with UUENCODE on a Macintosh computer by default. Use UUDECODE to restore. ID ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:18:05 -0500 (EST) ID ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:42:54 -0500 (EST) via MS.5.6.pssun14.sun4_51; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:42:54 -0500 (EST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:42:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent jmorriso@nosc.mil (Jeffrey G. Morrison) writes: > Looking for a couple of tips: > (White) along on my motorcycle trailer. However, I don't see how I would > strap the bike down to secure it to the trailer. Has anyone figured out an > elegant way to do this. Rumor has it Honda once published a procedure, but I recently moved, and had the bike moved inside a large tractor-trailor, the movers had a hell of a time with this problem. Between stapping to the handle bars (not on the plastic covering), on the passenger grips, and on the back rest (optional on my '89) we were able to get it secure, but it wasn't pretty! I think the only reason this worked (w/o damaging the body) was because the straps connected to the sides of the trailor instead of to the floor (as I think you'd have to on a bike trailor). > 2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the me too?!? Kevin Olalde ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: jmorriso@nosc.mil Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Info request: Putting PC800 on a trailer Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:56:06 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Priority: non-urgent [There's no need to yell in the subject line.] >>>>> "JGM" == Jeffrey G Morrison writes: JGM> 2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the JGM> bottom half of this bike. I just use Honda Griffin Grey Metallic, #NH-292M. I do seem to recall that '89 models had a slightly different color, though. JGM> I made the mistake of buying a can of Honda's touch up paint ($30 JGM> !!!!), but it is nothing like the original color. You must be joking. $30? I paid $12 for three bottles of grey and the same for three bottles of black. (They only come in 3-packs). BTW, I still have two bottles of Black (#NH1Z) in case anyone would like one. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:34:56 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Jeffrey G. Morrison wrote: > Looking for a couple of tips: > 1. I need to take a business trip out to the desert in the next couple of > weeks and need to take my car to carry all the accessories & be prepared > for whatever weather I might encounter. I would like to take my '89 PC800 > (White) along on my motorcycle trailer. However, I don't see how I would > strap the bike down to secure it to the trailer. Has anyone figured out an > elegant way to do this. Rumor has it Honda once published a procedure, but > if they did, they now refuse to acknowledge it for fear of liability. If > worse comes to worse, I'll just take my Suzuki GS850 instead, but I really > prefer the PC for touring. I don't know how big your trailer is. When my wife and I went to San Francisco (from bankrupt Orange County, CA) last September, we rented a U-haul garden trailer. I had about 8 tie downs on it. - Four hooked on the front leg guards and attached at 45 and 90 degree angles to the front and sides of the trailer (forward end of course) - Two (one on each side) on the passenger hand rails to the ramp (after it's close in a vertical position). - Two in an X format on each handgrip attached to the same points on the ramp to keep the handlebars from turning. The setup took some beating but held good. No damage to any body parts at all. The four up front, since it's hooked low, it's main purpose is to keep the PC's forks compressed so there's less bouncing around. The backend jumped every now and then but stayed put. Since the tie down points are much higher in the back, not much pressure was needed to keep it from moving side to side. Discovered the X format half way to SF because the wheel kept turning on me. Hope that helps. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:06:25 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent I own a small motorcycle trailor, and have been able to strap the PC800 down by getting tiedowns with a built in loop at the one end (you can also buy short straps for this). I then wrap the strap around the handgrips, and hook it to the tie down hook. For the rear, I take off the rear trunk tip-over protectors (they come off without tools, at least on a '94) and hook the tie downs to the tip-over bar. It is also possible to get into some of the frame rails after taking off the covers on the rear. I only traveled 30 miles or so one way, to and from the dealer, but most was Interstate. It seemed to work OK. It is a hassle taking off/putting back on the tip-over crash protectors, but it was the best way I could figure it! Jeff Leech Centerville, OH '94 Pacific Coast w/23,000 miles '95 Buell S2 Thunderbolt w/5,000 miles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:35:41 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: billf@cybertron.com (Bill Fortenberry) Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent > >2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the >bottom half of this bike. I made the mistake of buying a can of Honda's >touch up paint ($30 !!!!), but it is nothing like the original color. Any >suggestions for touch-ups to the bumper covers? > Check a local NAPA parts store. A friend of mine used to work there and he mixed me some a few years ago. Look in the paint chip books for Honda cars around 84 or 85. We found a color called 'Misty Beige' that was a good match. It's very hard (for me anyway) to get a good finish that matches smoothness and shine of the existing paint. Some good wax might help. It's still better than the jet black plastic you see under the paint though. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:12:17 +0100 (MET) From: Sebastiaan Kruit To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Jeffrey G. Morrison wrote: > Looking for a couple of tips: > 1. I need to take a business trip out to the desert in the next couple of > weeks and need to take my car to carry all the accessories & be prepared > for whatever weather I might encounter. I would like to take my '89 PC800 > (White) along on my motorcycle trailer. However, I don't see how I would > strap the bike down to secure it to the trailer. Has anyone figured out an > elegant way to do this. Rumor has it Honda once published a procedure, but > if they did, they now refuse to acknowledge it for fear of liability. If > worse comes to worse, I'll just take my Suzuki GS850 instead, but I really > prefer the PC for touring. I've read a nice method in the magazine I get from the Dutch PC800 MC. One of the members went on holiday to England and they had to strap the bike on the ferry across the Northsea. They removed the fairing/saddlebag protectors and used the bars to strap the bike down on the center stand. The man on the ferry liked the idea a lot and he said everybody should ride a PC ;) Bas --- "Oh bugger! Those damned dwarves still haven't fixed my warpdrive." --- Esme Weatherwax tries warp 9 with her Galaxy-class broomstick Email bas@bsltwr.xs4all.nl (fast ;) or bsltwr@zeelandnet.nl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 01:59:46 -0500 To: Kevin_Olalde@transarc.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER the Fisher way Priority: non-urgent The only way to trailer your PC safely and secrely is with a set of "The Bar-Harness" by Canyon Dancer. I used these to trailer my 1995 PC home from Atlanta, Ga. They are a weird combination of tie downs that look more like a magicians trick than priceless cargo holders. Imagine if you had a piece of tie down material about 3 feet long with a 2 inch loop in one end and a 4 inch cuff (a wide roll of tie down material) at the other. Now since your just imagining this go ahead and imagine you had two of them. If you ran the loop from each through the others cuff they would be connected, sort of. Now place the cuffs over the bikes grips. What you now have is the loop from the opposite side hanging out of the cuff on the other side. If you pull on both sides you pull the cuff opposite inward, farther onto the grip. In effect you are pulling the left side with the right sides loop. O.K. who's lost? You could easily make these yourself with some webbing. List price is $30.00 and dealer cost is $18.00. They worked wonderfully for me. If I were to make my own I would size the cuff closer to my bikes grips. You may want to place something around your foam grips to avoid the compression identations the cuffs will leave. They do go away, eventually. Hope this helps Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 08:06:42 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Jeffrey_G._Morrison)_jmorriso@nosc.mil Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/27/96 08:08 ## I have a copy of the Honda instructions for tying down a PC800. They were in "The Wrench" which the service people use. I don't have the date or no. because I only have the LH column of the sheet. It's for the '89 PC800, New Model Notes. Use only the inner rails of the fairing and saddlebag protectors as tie-down points, NOT handlebars, rear seat grab rails, or other body parts. Use the front rails as the main anchoring points. THE rear rails should only be used to stabilize the motorcycle. Do not use extreme tie-down force on the rear rails; they could bend if excessive force is applied. If the rails bend, the covers may not fit properly against the saddlebag. You have to remove the protector covers to expose the rails. The above is quoted from the Tech Tip. I don't know anyone who has done this. Don't know if it is done on the center stand or not. I've never trailered a motorcycle. I guess on a regular cycle trailer you can't use the center stand. I know my dealer transports one of the list members' PC to/from home. I suspect it's in a truck. I'd say Good Luck but none of us wants to deal with the lack of it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Jeffrey G. Morrison) jmorriso@nosc.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/26/96 10:15 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RETREADNY@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:42:35 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Priority: non-urgent O.K. ... I have done it and here is a way to do it. (I will also tell you how NOT to do it!). I'll make the story long rather than short since the weather is bad and I've nothing else to do... My wife doesn't like to (is afraid to) ride with me. She does like to camp, and frequently pulls *HER* pop-up camper off for a vacation or weekend get-a-way. I am off riding so we don't miss each other too much, but I thought it would be better to try to do some camping together. My solution was to buy a Dodge Dakota club cab to put the PC800 into while pulling the camper. Out of all last summer, I did this just once . I learned a couple of lessons a bit sadly. I mounted some tie down rings near the bottom of the truck side panels (reinforced with 3x3" steel plates inside and out), and a JC Whitney front wheel 'chock' at the front of the bed. I tried a short run without the chock and found that the front wheel would tend to turn a little bit. After putting the chock in, the wheel stayed facing forward just fine, but I could feel a little "shuck" when accellerating or slowing. I fashioned a wooden block to jam in BEHIND the wheel in the chock which stopped all shucking. I also purchased four of the "soft-ties" which I wound around the hand grips, then placed the hook of a normal tie-down strap through the loops in the soft-ties. I rode the bike up into the truck (this is an interesting feeling !!!), put it on the sidestand, attached the left tie-down loosley, then attached and tightened the right tie down which stood the bike upright. I continued to tighten until I had partially compressed the front forks. I then tightened the left tie-down compressing the forks some more....until I had eventually compressed the forks about half of their possible travel. I then lightly tightened the rear tie-downs (still using soft-ties to keep any metal parts away from the body work). I put these through the hand rails, since I was not concerned with tieing it down, but merely steadying the bike from shifting side to side. All of this worked *most excellently*. Now the DON'T TRY THIS ........... After 8 hours in the soft-ties, the foam grips were compressed and took several days to recover their shape. I decided that slipping some plastic pipe of an appropriate diameter over the handgrips would protect them. Doing everything as previously described, I compressed the forks, then decided to give the bike a little "shake" to make sure everything was solid. This is where things went wrong !!! One of the plastic pipes slipped off from the hand grip. (FAST !!!!!). Those compressed forks wanted to do something, so they catapulted the bike upward and sideways. The damage was MINIMAL, but I know where the slight indentations caused by the truck's body are and they look bigger everytime I look at the PC. It is also lucky that I was not ON the bike, and that I happened to be on the side that slipped so I was not pinned between the bike and the truck !! It has been suggested to me that the proper place for the front tie-downs (using the soft-ties) is up in the triple forks ....the tie around the left fork tube crossing to a tie down loop to the right of the truck (or trailer), and the tie from the right fork crossing to the left of the truck (or trailer). Points to be used in conjunction with the triple forks are the rails in the bumpers as mentioned in some other posts. Wes St.Onge RETREADNY@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:22:43 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER I would like to say i strongly agree with wheel chocking the PC. I did not do it when I trailered it home from Atlanta, Ga. I would have if I had remembered the chock. It made me very nervous. I still think the Canyon tie downs I mentioned previously, are the way to go. Then tie off the rear with the crash rails. Rick Fisher Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Looking for '90 brochure To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:17:25 -0600 (CST) In preparation for showing Ruby's '90 PC800 in the local ABATE show, we'd like to get an original or color copy of a '90 PC800 brochure, if possible. Does anyone out there have something that would help? -Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 28 Jan 96 15:33:46 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Michael_S_Keller)_mskeller@ionet.net Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Looking for '90 brochure ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/28/96 15:35 ## I can send you a few copies of the original 1990 brochure. Send me your address. How soon do you need them? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Michael S Keller) mskeller@ionet.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/28/96 10:17 ## In preparation for showing Ruby's '90 PC800 in the local ABATE show, we'd like to get an original or color copy of a '90 PC800 brochure, if possible. Does anyone out there have something that would help? -Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:31:38 -0600 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: Carl & Ruth McMullen Subject: Pacific Coast Accessories Wanted to relay a need for a backrest for my 1990 Pacific Coast. I have a Honda backrest and am not too happy with it. It is very low and provides little back support for my wife. I would like a higher one (more like the Reynolds units found on BMW's. In addition, it would be nice to have an integral rack as found on the Reynolds units. Does anyone know of an aftermarket unit for the PC? Or does anyone know of anyone who has fabricated one? Would much appreciate some help in this area. Also, I want to get some performance tires for this unit. I am not a canyon racer, but would appreciate good handling for this bike. I have heard that Dunlops are very good, and would like to get some specific recommendations. I have had several Pacific Coast bikes and have never liked the windshields as they are much too low, including the tall Honda unit. I purchased a RIFLE windshield this summer and find it to be a very good unit for the PC. I got the Tall version and found it to just barely take care of getting the wind over my helmet and I am only about 5' 11". This is a great touring bike and would recommend it to anyone. Lookinig forward to hearing from you all out there in electronic land.. . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 09:13:38 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Jason_L_Tibbitts_III)_tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Info request: Putting PC800 on a trailer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/29/96 09:15 ## In perusing the 89-96 microfiche, I see, for 1989, the gray described as: Ocean Gray metallic, color code NH253M 1989 is the only year to use that color. 1990,4,5 all use Griffin Gray. 1996 is listed as Magna Red and Karakorum Gray. Wow! Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Jason L Tibbitts III) tibbs@hpc.uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/26/96 13:56 ## [There's no need to yell in the subject line.] >>>>> "JGM" == Jeffrey G Morrison writes: JGM> 2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the JGM> bottom half of this bike. I just use Honda Griffin Grey Metallic, #NH-292M. I do seem to recall that '89 models had a slightly different color, though. JGM> I made the mistake of buying a can of Honda's touch up paint ($30 JGM> !!!!), but it is nothing like the original color. You must be joking. $30? I paid $12 for three bottles of grey and the same for three bottles of black. (They only come in 3-packs). BTW, I still have two bottles of Black (#NH1Z) in case anyone would like one. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:38:12 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Jason_L_Tibbitts_III)_tibbs@hpc.uh.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Info request: Putting PC800 on a trailer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 01/29/96 12:39 ## How much body work did you paint with the three bottles of gray? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Jason L Tibbitts III) tibbs@hpc.uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 01/26/96 13:56 ## [There's no need to yell in the subject line.] >>>>> "JGM" == Jeffrey G Morrison writes: JGM> 2. I'm trying to find paint that is a good match to the silver on the JGM> bottom half of this bike. I just use Honda Griffin Grey Metallic, #NH-292M. I do seem to recall that '89 models had a slightly different color, though. JGM> I made the mistake of buying a can of Honda's touch up paint ($30 JGM> !!!!), but it is nothing like the original color. You must be joking. $30? I paid $12 for three bottles of grey and the same for three bottles of black. (They only come in 3-packs). BTW, I still have two bottles of Black (#NH1Z) in case anyone would like one. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 29 Jan 96 13:48:17 EST From: Sidney.S.Letter@Dartmouth.EDU (Sidney S. Letter) Subject: Intro; new guy To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu I've been enjoying reading the mail for three or four days and it seems time to introduce myself. I'm Sid Letter and live in Lebanon, New Hampshire, near the Connecticut River about halfway between Massachusetts and Canada. Email address is Sidney S. Letter @Dartmouth.EDU. My PC isn't. Or at least not yet. I've been pondering it for about three years and may make a move - or at least a visit to a dealer - sometime in February. No hurry, though, since motorcycle weather here doesn't begin until April and then only for the relatively hardy. I plan to buy a 96, and anticipate no modifications with the possible exception of the addition of a Corbin seat. I'll be grateful for any advice or information I receive before I make my purchase. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:00:37 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Reply to: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER >From: Roger Prince:DGC ... >The above is quoted from the Tech Tip. I don't know anyone who has >done this. Don't know if it is done on the center stand or not. >I've never trailered a motorcycle. I guess on a regular cycle >trailer you can't use the center stand. I know my dealer transports >one of the list members' PC to/from home. I suspect it's in a truck. >I'd say Good Luck but none of us wants to deal with the lack of it. Roger, I purchased my PC in Anchorage, about 360 mi. South of here. I had a small kit trailer with a 6' long 5" wide steel c-channel as my rail. The dealer loded it up as you just specified, no centerstand. I had no problems other than the front wheel cocking to the right a bit, but the rail took care of that. The system _works_. Hey guys, it must be spring! It is 6 degrees F and we at at over 6 hrs. of daylight! Wheeee! "On the road again..." Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:08:05 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Trailer your bike. I almost forgot. To prevent the bike from moving forwrd or back I used a small (tiny) bungee cord to pull the front brake lever, activating the calipers, and at the rear I just tightened the butterfly for the drum. Wheel chucks are better, but didn't have any at the time. Worked like a charm! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Info request: Putting PC800 on a trailer Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:11:30 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "RP" == Roger Prince writes: RP> How much body work did you paint with the three bottles of gray? Actually, none. I haven't opened my bottle yet. I gave the other two bottles to friends. It looks like it would cover a crash protector or two. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:16:28 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Trouble in Paradise Neill, did aol wipe out your home page when they fixed their disk? =: - O I hope they are just experiencing _temporary_ technical difficulties. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:07:19 -0500 To: wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Reply to: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER >>I would like to say i strongly agree with wheel chocking the PC. > >In stead of using wheel chocks I would recommend wraping a bungee cord >around the front hand brake lever and the hand grip. This will firmly lock >the bike down from forward/backward shift. Or you can also strap the foot >brake down. Both have worked for me on numerous bike hauls. > >Waldo I guess what I mean is block the front wheel from moving side to side. That's what releases the tension used to hold the bike upright. A minor point. Unless it's YOUR multi thousand dollar pride and joy. Regards Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:43:11 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: PUTTING PC800 ON A TRAILER Hi Jeffrey, I've been trailering my '89 and the wife's '90 for a couple of years (in a 14' Chariot), and I think we've just about got it down to a science: First of all, if you're using a rail-type trailer, then the front-wheel chock recommended by others is already handled. If you're using a flat-bed, then a wheel chock is IMHO a must. We use the metal type that slides into floor fittings; they can be moved/removed in a flash if we are hauling only one bike or need to haul something that requires the flat floor. The tie-down scheme we use makes use of the saddlebag protectors, the front tip-over protectors (both with the plastic covers removed and packed in something soft to prevent scratching), and the lower triple clamp. I would avoid using the handlebar on a bike this heavy: I start with the triple clamps. I loop "soft tie" straps around the triple clamp, one on each fork leg. Depending on the location of your tie-down points in the front, there are two possible ways to go from here. Cross the straps such that the strap on the right fork leg goes to the tie-down on the left side and vice versa. If this results in the tie-down straps' contacting the front fender/fork guards (as it does in our case), you can "tie" the straps together in the center (I use a heavy metal ring about 1.25" in diameter to accomplish this center "tie") then route them back to their respective sides. This forms sort of an X with the "soft tie" straps that gets the tie-down hooks away from the body work. I attach the front tie downs to the left/right front such that they pull the front end forward into the chock and down to compress the suspension slightly (a few inches). Next I hook tie downs from each of the bag protectors pulling to the left/right rear to compress the rear suspension slightly and stabilize the rear end laterally. The final step is to tie the front tip-over bars to provide solid lateral support. Again, depending on the location of your tie-down points, you can use either one or two straps per side. One way is to use a single strap that goes from one tie-down ring that is slightly to the rear of the bar through the bar and then to a tie-down ring that is slightly in front of the bar. Another option is to go from the front bar through a tie-down ring that is about even with the front bar then back to the rear bar (I have to use both techniques if I'm putting both bikes in because of the location of my tie-down rings). We've used this arrangement with no difficulties or damage, even when the hitch jumped off the ball when I forgot the trailer was back there once and ran the trailer wheel over a curb. Actually, this gyration did result in some rubbed paint on the mirror of my bike when the handlebar weight on Diane's bike hit it. This was the result of insufficient offset in the original factory chock location. We have since moved the chocks enough to prevent this. I hope this helps. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeff@hpc.uh.edu, yoonho@hpc.uh.edu, theresa@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My first accident Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:40:47 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Well, I had my first accident this evening. I pulled out of my parking lot and proceeded down the access loop that leads from several campus buildings to the main four-lane road out of the area. As I approached the main intersection I neared a car stopped in a metered parking space with it's flashers on. Now, stupidly, the metered parking spaces are located very close to the intersection. I approached the car slowly; if would have paid no heed if it was off but flashers indicate activity. I couldn't see in as it was dark and the car had tinted windows. It didn't move, so I pulled around it and approached the intersection to turn right. This put me at a 45 degree angle to the car's front bumper. I stopped to check over my left shoulder for traffic. And what do you know? The car decides that a guy wearing a bright red retroreflective suit on a bike lit up like a christmas tree is a good reason to hit the gas. With a bump the bike was tossed a couple of feet and went down on the left side. The mirror came off as intended and the car thought it a good idea to stop before playing M1 tank and running me down. Now, amazingly, there was zero, zilch damage. I had the good fortune of being hit _on_ the right crash protector. There's a dime-sized scuff which will give me a good reason to finally try out my touch-up paint. The mirror had some small scratches from a fall 18 months ago. I was fine until the adrenalin wore off an hour later, at which point I shook for about a few hours but am fine now. I'm not really even pissed. I just can't imagine how someone could not see something that size in front of them. If I had been at a slightly different angle I would have sustained either a large amount of damage to the rear bags or a shattered leg. Oh, well. The driver didn't have proof of insurance and was relatively apologetic. The cops were nice to me and pissed at her; there are very few mitigating circumstances for hitting anything with your front bumper and only one for doing it at low speed, which is being rear-ended yourself. No accident report was filed since after the mirror was back on and I took a spin around the block I couldn't attest that there was $500 worth of damage. Everything on the bike functioned as it was designed to and I am again impressed with Honda's design. I'll check for other damage in the morning but I doubt I'll find any. Ride safely, - J< with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:01:42 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:08:48 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: My first accident -Reply Jason, sorry to hear about your incident but glad to hear of the lack of serious damage. Yipes, that was a close one. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: tibbs@uh.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu, jeff@hpc.uh.edu, yoonho@hpc.uh.edu, theresa@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My first accident Real glad that your accident turned out as well as it did. It is amazing that no real damage was done. Your disbelief that something as large as a well lighted motorcycle and rider couldn't be seen prompted this response. BELIEVE IT! We are sometimes invisible. A few years back, I was tooling down the freeway when I was struck HARD from the rear. I went over the back of the bike and into the guy's windshield, etc. This was all in broad daylight. He took off without stopping, pushing my bike in his grill down the road for six miles. Anyway, the Tennessee Highway Patrol caught him, I spent a month in a Memphis hospital, and he spent two years in jail. Since then, I've been real good about checking my rear views and making myself as visible as possible. One thing I've done on the PC and I recommed it for everyone, is to install the "Prioity Plus" system. This turns the yellow rear directionals into running lights (they continue to act as directionals also). It is surprising how much this increases your visibility from the rear. A riding bud did this on his PC first, and I was impressed with his visibility when following him. The kit cost $45 two years ago, and it is easy to install. I also wear a reflective vest. Since doing these two things for the last two years, I have had NO instances of "being invisible". Richard Hardy, San Diego 30 Jan 1996 10:37:19 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:29:04 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: My first accident (from "Richard A. Hardy" ) (at Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:12:51 -0800 (PST)) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Richard (Richard A. Hardy), in on Jan 30 you wrote: > down the freeway when I was struck HARD from the rear. I went over t= he > back of the bike and into the guy's windshield, etc. This was all in > broad daylight. He took off without stopping, pushing my bike in his [...] > in jail. Since then, I've been real good about checking my rear view= s and (For those who have not experienced being hit from behind) *Always* : 1) Know where every vehicle in your vicinity is at *all* times. 2) Watch your mirrors when turning. Actually, watch your mirrors =20 always (and anything else you can use to watch with), but=20 =20 especially when performing any change to straight and level =20 riding... 3) Have an escape path planned in case you need it. In the 32 or so years I've been riding I've had 4 cars attempt to pass me in the direction I was turning. The first time I ended up wedged between my bike and the boot of a VW bug. I learned my=20 lesson... The last three times I saw it coming in the mirrors=20 and yanked the bike back up straight just before being hit. I've come to believe that only about 5% of drivers are paying attention to driving at any given moment. Maybe less. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: My first accident On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kent Polk wrote: > (For those who have not experienced being hit from behind) *Always* : > > 1) Know where every vehicle in your vicinity is at *all* times. > > 2) Watch your mirrors when turning. Actually, watch your mirrors > always (and anything else you can use to watch with), but > especially when performing any change to straight and level > riding... > > 3) Have an escape path planned in case you need it. > > In the 32 or so years I've been riding I've had 4 cars attempt to > pass me in the direction I was turning. The first time I ended up > wedged between my bike and the boot of a VW bug. I learned my > lesson... The last three times I saw it coming in the mirrors > and yanked the bike back up straight just before being hit. > > I've come to believe that only about 5% of drivers are paying > attention to driving at any given moment. Maybe less. 5% ? My take is that everyone's out to get me. I've been hit three times from the rear. Twice while at a stand still! How you can hit someone directly in front of you is beyond me. But thank God I got away unscathed all three times. I think the rear end is the most vulnerable spot. That's the only place I can't keep my eyes on as much as the sides or blind spots. Not only that, there's not much time for your brain to process a tiny reversed image that you're in danger and instruct your limbs to get you out of the way. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: My first accident (from Johan Lai ) (at Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:38:39 -0800 (PST)) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:45:19 CST To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hi Johan (Johan Lai), in = =20on Jan 30 you wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kent Polk wrote: > >=20 > > I've come to believe that only about 5% of drivers are paying > > attention to driving at any given moment. Maybe less. >=20 > 5% ? My take is that everyone's out to get me. I've been hit three = times I reserved the 5% who are paying attention to those who are purposely trying to run me over. :^) --------------- BTW, I suspected that several messages I sent recently didn't get=20 posted, so looked at the headers on the last two and noticed that Was this intentional? As a typical mailer will reply using the 'From:' header now. (Don't think this is what is desired). Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:36:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Message not deliverable >Subject: Message not deliverable >Sent: 01/30 6:06 AM >From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil > >From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil (Administrator) >To: Dentman711@aol.com Anyone have a clue why I keep getting this message? I have gotten several in the las t week. Thanks Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: Dentman711@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Message not deliverable Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:52:39 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "D" == Dentman711 writes: D> Anyone have a clue why I keep getting this message? I have gotten D> several in the las t week. This is, I think, Cory's site bouncing mail. Some sites are running software that's just _so stupid_ that it can't figure out that it sends bounces to me and instead sends them to whoever's in the From: line. I've been debating whether or not to take Cory off the list; I keep hoping they'll fix this. I'll try to tweak his address; if this works then I won't get my message bounced back to me. If not I think he has another address that I'll swap in. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Jan 96 20:09:09 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Whoa there! Don't want to sound defensive here, but it ISN'T MY SYSTEM. I got off the Lotus CC:Mail Mobile immediately when it started causing trouble on the List and things have been working great since then. In addition, in the last few weeks I've switched again, this time to Compuserve! Certainly hope THAT isn't causing trouble!! Later, Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 30 20:44:58 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Jan 96 21:42:31 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: PC800 Bra Hi, everyone. Does anyone own, or has anyone seen, a PC with one of those Hondaline fairing bras? I recently installed a bra on my cage (a Dodge Neon Sport Coupe), and was pleasantly surprised at the difference it made - IMHO, it turned a *CUTE* little car into a little *SPORTY* car. Since I think my PC is *CUTE* and now, I'm thinking it may have the same effect. What does one of these babies look like? Is it a high-quality, well-fitted accessory that compliments the PC's good looks, or is it more like a tacky K-mart strap-on? Any feedback on this least-talked-about Hondaline PC accessory would be appreciated. Steve S. 30 Jan 1996 19:04:44 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:01:51 -0800 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: February 17th ride to San Gabriel Mountains To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: _spain@edsug.com OK, here we go! Our ride is *on* for the 17th (that's a Saturday)! For those who want some breakfast, we will be meeting at Carrows in Fountain Valley at 9:00AM. This restaurant is located just south (toward the beach) off of the 405 on Magnolia across from the Family Fun Center (big ferris wheel). Dave and I will meet everyone at the restaurant for breakfast (look for the white PC800) ;-). If you want to skip breakfast, just meet us in the parking lot at 10:00AM. Our trip will take us up the 405 north to the 605 north to the 210 east and then off on San Gabriel Canyon road (where the fun begins). This road has mucho twisties but we plan to ride safely and conservatively :-). We expect to run into a bit of snow on the sides but if the roads get bad, we will just loop back :-). There are a few spots to stop along the way for great views of the dam and canyon. Plan to pack a lunch and camera (no restaurants at the top of this beastie). There are also no 'facilities' up there so we may want to stop at a gas station before we head up. We hope to check out the Crystal Lake road and either find a nice spot up there to eat lunch or find a spot at the end of the canyon. It will be a bit chilly (for those not in California, cold to us is anything below about 60 degrees) so pack some warmies in your trunk but leave some space to pack some snow back to Orange County in your built-in cooler trunk! We hope to see lot's of folks on this one so bring your friends (we don't mind if they are stuck with less than a PC800)! Any questions can be directed to the list or my E-Mail (spain@edsug.com). Harrison Spain ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Reply-To header Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 22:52:13 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> BTW, I suspected that several messages I sent recently didn't get KP> posted, so looked at the headers on the last two and noticed that there KP> Was this intentional? As a typical mailer will reply using the 'From:' KP> header now. (Don't think this is what is desired). I got rid of the headers on all of my lists when I upgraded the mail system recently. Really, any mailer worth it's disk space will at the least allow you to CC a copy back to the address in the To: header; this is called a "group reply". If a message is sent to five addresses including yours, can you really not send a reply back to all of them and the originator at the same time without cutting and pasting? If this makes things difficult for anybody I'll put it back. The intent of getting rid of Reply-To is so that readers will have the choice of where replies go. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 00:19:49 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: Whoa there! Steve, Oh, I know that! Probably most on the list don't know about this, but a few months ago my folks here on the base went to Lotus CC:Mail Mobile for their upgraded E-Mail system and the older system I was on was going to be shut down. So, I sent the commands to switch things over and my new system wend NUTS! I the span of a few hours there were over 200 messages, most of them the same two that were just doing a rubber ball thing in cyberspace! At that time we took my new address off, put me back on through the old system, and lived happily ever after. Up here in the LAST FRONTIER we're stuck with what we can get. At this time we only have local telephone call access to Compuserve and one Internet server. Had to make a choice and haven't had any problems yet. Time will tell...... Maybe by them the other companies will remember that we're up here and live and work in something more than igloos! Later...... Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 30 23:24:25 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 00:19:52 EST From: "Cory S. Estes" <103342.3616@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra Steve, I've been around the PC bra some. As far as the quality goes, they seem to be typical Honda accessory quality; well thought-out and well made. IMHO, the thing looks pretty good on a red or black one, but my mental jury is still out on how it looks on a white one. Some times I look and think that it looks very sporty and complimenting and other times it looks like an interferance that hides the "Mr. Clean" look. One of the reasons that I'm so fond of the white PC is that, to me it's look is a combination of pure/clean and open aggression. Probably didn't help you much, did I? Cory From owner-pc800-outgoing@hpc.uh.edu Tue Jan 30 23:29:06 1996 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: 103342.3616@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Whoa there! Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:29:04 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Well, I took the old address off of the list; this will serve to test whether or not the problem persists. Sorry to blame Cory undeservedly. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:57:28 -0500 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fork Service Blues My Pacific Coast has been mostly trouble free in the 3 years I've owned it. About all I've had to do is change the oil, oil filter, tires and spark plugs. After a ride to Mammoth Mountain in October, however, I noticed a film of oil on the front wheel fender and on the inside of the left front bodywork. I didn't pay too much attention until about 3 weeks ago when I noticed oil on the left fork tube also. I've never had a fork seal go but this sure looked like it. I decided to remove the fork tubes myself. While I was at it I decided to replace the windshield and a light that had gone out behind the instruments. I started in on the bodywork and a couple of hours later had made some progress, but still hadn't got the forks out. The thin plastic moulding above the headlight which covers the windshield bolts stopped me for a long time trying not to break it. I finally got it off though I thought I was going to break it at any minute. Getting the upper front part of the bodywork off was much harder than I thought it would be--I finally gave up on it when I realized I could get to the forks and such in spite of it. The next night I went at it again for about 3 hours. I tried to loosen the fork tube clamp bolts (?)--they were really tight. I couldn't get them loose with just the allen wrench; what I really needed was an allen head on a 3/8 drive socket. I went to a couple of auto parts stores--no luck. Back at the bike, I got more leverage by putting the extension handle included with the tool kit over the long end of the allen wrench. I had the bike up on a block of wood, and with all my tugging I thought I'd knock the bike off the block a couple of times. I tried the upper clamp from above, from below, from all around, and after much cursing and using all the strength I had, the bolt came loose. Each bolt was just as tough. I don't have the shop manual so I don't know what the torque spec for the bolts is supposed to be, but I didn't try to equal what it was during reinstallation. I put the screws and such into a variety of plastic bags, haphazardly labeled. I put the bodywork into my carport storage locker--it was the biggest pile of plastic, amazing to look at off the bike. I took the forks into my local Honda dealer. Three days later I picked up the forks. The shop manager assured me that they were done and they had also smoothed the small nicks on the tubes. That night I started putting them back in. That's when I realized that I probably should have labeled the hardware better. I had no idea where some of the screws went. I started at 6:30 p.m. I went two steps forward and one back all evening, trying a screw here, a bolt there, backtracking, slowly putting the jigsaw puzzle back together. I realize now that I probably could have accessed the fork tube clamp bolts from underneath without removing nearly as much of the bodywork as I did. I finally got done 5 hours later with no leftover screws, though I was discovered a missing screw inside the left turn signal pod. The bodywork lost several plastic tabs; I don't know how you'd take the stuff apart and put it back together without breaking off a few tabs every time on some of the pieces, especially the moulding above the headlight. At least I was done--I thought. On Saturday about 3 days later I got a call from the shop manager at my dealer. He asked, "Say Jeff, have you installed those forks yet on your bike?" Trying not to panic, I answered "Yes--why?" Well, it seems that the mechanic the manager had working on the forks was out sick the day I arrived to pick up the forks. The last the manager had heard the forks were done. Wrong. "He came in today and said 'Where are those forks I was working on?'" said the manager "and when I asked why, he said 'Because they aren't done!'" My blood pressure started to rise. Seems there was some miscommunication on their end. Happily, he offered to finish the forks if I brought the bike in, no charge, and I didn't have to remove the forks. I immediately agreed. About 3 days later the bike was done. Moral of the story--1) don't attempt such a job without the shop manual; 2) remain calm; 3) carefully label the location of all screws, bolts and small hardware; 4) remain calm; 5) allow plenty of time for the work; 6) consider whether what you're doing is worth the effort. I'm not much of a mechanic--this was about the limit of what I'd attempt because of the difficulty of dealing with the bodywork. Although I love the PC and don't plan to sell it anytime soon, I think my next bike will be more bare because the bodywork makes servicing so difficult. Anyone know how to change the fuel filter? Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: JeffHamltn@aol.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fork Service Blues Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 01:16:01 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JH" == JeffHamltn writes: [Fork story] Wow. You really should have asked; according to the service manual you only have to remove the center cover (the two small pieces of plastic under the bars, no screws) and the front wheel and fender. JH> Anyone know how to change the fuel filter? Remove the left lower cover (harder than it looks) and open the trunk. The filter is right there; you might be able to clamp the line shut and get the filter out (the fuel exits towards the rear of the bike). The hardest thing should be the plastic. You have to take off the air duct, the step cover, the side cover, and then the lower cover (I know it makes little sense without the pictures). I'll fax the relevant pages from the manual should you need them. I'm always willing to do this should anyone need repair info. The manual is really well written and illustrated. It's worth the $45. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:35:35 -0500 To: c601rah@sssd.navy.mil, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My first accident >"Prioity Plus" system. This >turns the yellow rear directionals into running lights (they continue to >act as directionals also). I have not seen this advertised. Anyone know where it can be found? Respectfully Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dentman711@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:35:47 -0500 To: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu, pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My first accident >I've come to believe that only about 5% of drivers are paying >attention to driving at any given moment. Maybe less. Kent Only 5%? Come on I mean really. I suppose your one of those kind that thinks it is WRONG to read a novel while driving a car, put on make-up. Everyone knows it only takes 2 or 3 brain cells to drive. What could a few distractions hurt? Personally I close my eyes while I'm driving. Except when I'm on my PC :-) Sincerely tongue in cheek Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM Dentman@eWORLD.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / (FOR SALE)1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat & some kind of Fish? ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 10:56:29 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Cc: HSTA Postings to List Subject: Priority Plus... PC800 owner Rick Fisher asked about the availability of the Priority Plus unit. I just called Sound-Off, Inc. the manufacturer in Michigan, and offer the following information. They still manufacture the Priority Lites unit (adds tail and stop light functions to your stock rear turn signals) and the Priority Plus units (also adds flashing brake lights), the Vista-Cruise and a plastic version of the Vanda-Cruise. They do not sell directly...only through Tucker-Rocky. They do not manufacture the Pulsar headlight modulator any more. However, Long Island Kawasaki (516/935-6969;ask for Mike Crow) has 5 or 6 of these units. I have one on my PC (as well as the Priority Plus) on my PC and use the modulator extensively in daylight hours. Should you wish to talk with someone at Sound-Off, Inc., their toll-free number is 1/800/338-7337. On another note...there have been some messages recently concerning safety and accidents (particularly from behind). Owners of PC800s and ST1100s can thank their lucky stars that they have perhaps the very best mirrors on any motorcycle! Of course, the rider has to glance at them once in a while! + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + DANA L. SAWYER + +Founder, Executive Committee Member and + + South Carolina State Director + + Honda Sport Touring Association + + HSTA Member #0001 + + HRCA Member #700266 + + AMA (Life) Member # 180901 + + 1990 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 + + "Life is short...I think I'll go ridiing!" + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Aerostich for the road...leather for the bedroom!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard A. Hardy" To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> Cc: HondaPacificCoastOwners , HSTA Postings to List Subject: Re: Priority Plus... Thanks for the update on the "Priority" lites system. I got mine about a year ago from an ad in "Rider", but I checked and their ad no longer runs. I was going to dig out my data tonight at home, but you've saved me the trouble. Also, thanks for the correction. I do not have the "Priority Plus" which adds flashing brake lights, just the "Priority", which makes running lights out of your directionals. This adds a lot to your visibility. I got the idea from Bill Andrews, Dana. There was a question on the installation - a good, easy to follow wiring diagram is provided. You will have no trouble - honest! Richard Hardy ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:19:22 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra On 30 Jan 1996, Steve Schibuola wrote: > Hi, everyone. > > Does anyone own, or has anyone seen, a PC with one of those Hondaline fairing > bras? I recently installed a bra on my cage (a Dodge Neon Sport Coupe), and was > pleasantly surprised at the difference it made - IMHO, it turned a *CUTE* little > car into a little *SPORTY* car. Since I think my PC is *CUTE* > and now, I'm thinking it may have the same effect. > > What does one of these babies look like? Is it a high-quality, well-fitted > accessory that compliments the PC's good looks, or is it more like a tacky > K-mart strap-on? Any feedback on this least-talked-about Hondaline PC accessory > would be appreciated. > > Steve S. > Hi Steve! Looking forward to the next ride! I have a picture of you and your SO (forgot her name, sorry) on the move. I also have Harrison's but they're a little off centered. I guess I was moving a bit too fast for my wife to take the pictures. I'll show you guys when we meet. I've seen the bras. It looks a lot like the ones on the Wings. It covers the thin plastic portion between the windshield and the headlight. If I remember right, it also covers the mirrors but nothing else. The side fairings remains exposed but I suppose it's pretty hard for a rock to ding us there. Oh, there's a little piece that goes on top of the front fender also. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 14:15:01 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: February 17th ride to San Gabriel Mountains Patty and I are looking forward to it! See you there. And just to echo Harrison, we really had a lot of fun on the Palomar ride, so if any of you on the list are in the "neighborhood" - ie. within 500 miles :) - why not join us? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 14:15:05 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra Hi, Johan. You wrote: >Looking forward to the next ride! I have a picture of you and your SO (forgot her name, sorry) on the move. I'm looking forward to it too. I'm so glad the pictures turned out! Can you bring the negatives, too? Patty and I would definitely like to make a copy. >I've seen the bras. It looks a lot like the ones on the Wings. .. Thanks for the info. I'm still pondering it ... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 14:14:57 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra Hi, Cory. Thanks for the info. I should have known that the "accessories-meister" would know about one of these! You wrote: >I've been around the PC bra some. As far as the quality goes, they seem to be typical Honda accessory quality; well thought-out and well made. Yeah, that's what I figured. >IMHO, the thing looks pretty good on a red or black one, but my mental jury is still out on how it looks on a white one. My PC is white, too. >Probably didn't help you much, did I? Well, you neatly summarized my feelings about it, too. On the one hand, I love the PC's smooth good looks and really want to stay away from any add-ons. On the other hand, if it blends unobtrusively... I guess I'll just have to see one for myself. Maybe the answer is to get one and install it every other week! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Jan 96 14:14:52 EST From: Steve Schibuola <73414.466@compuserve.com> To: PC800 List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra Hi, Dave. You wrote: >I have the black bra for my PC...it came with the bike...I love the way it looks... Thanks for the feedback. I'm still see-sawing ... I think I'll have to see one for myself. Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: PC800 Mail List Subject: Re: PC800 Bra -Reply On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Neill Thompson wrote: > You said: > >Looking forward to the next ride! I have a picture of you and > your SO (forgot her name, sorry) on the move. I also have > Harrison's but they're a little off centered. I guess I was > moving a bit too fast for my wife to take the pictures. I'll > show you guys when we meet.< > > I reply: > > Hey if you've got extra prints and would like to add them to > the web, drop me some. Let me know if you need the > address again. I can crop and scale so off center is not a big > deal. > > Webster > Thanks! I'm having extras printed out now. When my wife sent them to the developers, she forgot to make doubles. Plus, they're smaller than the last one I sent you. ========================================================================= Johan Lai E Mail: jlai@filenet.com CCF Systems Admin Voice: (714) 850-5805 Engineering Services Pager: (714) 754-3120 FileNet Corporation MS Mail Users: Please use my email address above. Thanks. ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:03:57 -0600 (CST) Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:03:47 -0500 (EST) To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Priority Plus... Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu At 10:56 AM 1/31/96 EST, you wrote: >On another note...there have been some messages recently concerning safety and >accidents (particularly from behind). Owners of PC800s and ST1100s can thank >their lucky stars that they have perhaps the very best mirrors on any >motorcycle! Of course, the rider has to glance at them once in a while! Hi DANA, Where have you been< I have used for years the small round spot mirrors on all of my vehicles (both sides) including motorcylces. I use them constantly. On the PC you can glance at the spot mirror by only moving your eyes and know what is going on around you. Very trustworthy once you learn to trust them. You do not have to look back and take your periferal (sp) vision off the road ahead to know what is going on on the side and back. I placed mine on the far outside upper part of the mirrors on the PC. Take care, Waldo with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:55:48 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 16:03:07 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Bra I hate to sound like a broken record but if someone can come up with a snapshot of the bra for the web page, I'll get it scanned and posted. I think an '89 would show the item best and everyone can guess what it would look like on the other colors. My guess is that trying to get a meaningful picture of a black bra on a black PC would be almost impossible. Also, Juan is having some trouble getting to the web page. Is anyone else experiencing difficulty? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:01:10 -0500 From: Jeff Leech To: PC 800 User Group Subject: Re: Rear Turn Signals as Running Lights. Dentman711@aol.com wrote: > > >"Prioity Plus" system. This > >turns the yellow rear directionals into running lights (they continue to > >act as directionals also). > > I have not seen this advertised. Anyone know where it can be found? > > Respectfully > > Rick Fisher > Dentman711@AOL.COM > Dentman@eWORLD.COM > > Before you do this you might check your state laws. In Ohio it is illegal to have any rear facing running light any color other than amber. (No Yellow) Jeff Leech '94 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:19:15 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800 Bra At 04:03 PM 1/31/96 -0700, you wrote: I hate to sound like a broken record but if someone can come up with a snapshot of the bra for the web page, I'll get it scanned and posted. I think an '89 would show the item best and everyone can guess what it would look like on the other colors. My guess is that trying to get a meaningful picture of a black bra on a black PC would be almost impossible. Neill, I'm in the process of scanning a picture (brochure actually) that shows the 1990 model with all (most ) of the goodies that Honda developed for it. One of the reasons why I was trying to access the web page so I could check on the ftp/notify protocol. I should have it ready by friday. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:17:52 -0700 (MST) From: ERIC YORK To: Neill Thompson Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Bra On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Neill Thompson wrote: > I hate to sound like a broken record but if someone can come up with a snapshot of the > bra for the web page, I'll get it scanned and posted. I think an '89 would show the item > best and everyone can guess what it would look like on the other colors. My guess is that > trying to get a meaningful picture of a black bra on a black PC would be almost > impossible. > If y'all pitch in for a bra, I would be happy to put it on my white PC. I'd also be willing to bear the cost of the photo and postage. For the good of the group, ya know. Eric ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:47:51 -0500 To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Wes St.Onge" Subject: Jealous You guys out there are driving us snow/frost bound types crazy!!!! It sounds like a nice ride, but I guess I can't make it . ------------------------------------------------------ Wes St.Onge Maryland, NY AMA 359009 Age 52 1 son, 2 daughters, 5 grandsons 89 Pacific Coast (for sale) 86 GL1200i Zone 2, Hudson Highlands Area Retreads M/C Coordinator ------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:04:47 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Jealous At 08:47 PM 1/31/96 -0500, you wrote: >You guys out there are driving us snow/frost bound types crazy!!!! >It sounds like a nice ride, but I guess I can't make it . Actually, after hearing of the crappy weather the "Lower 48" is getting as a whole, I can't say it makes me happy, but it sure helps me feel better! : - ) Got four more inches of snow today, snowmobilers are going bananas. Saw one zip past my house (yep, on the street) pulling a skier! Maybe I _will_ get to use mine after all this year. Every time I open the garage door my PC huddles a little closer to the furnace to stay warm : - ) Anyone else besides Cory have any experience with Splitfires in a PC? Thanks! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX -----------------------------------------------------------------