Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:22:49 -0600 Fri, 1 Dec 1995 7:22:44 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Honda parts prices...ouch! At 06:50 PM 11/30/95 -0500, you wrote: Wal-Mart has a Champion 12BS sealed battery, marked for the PC, for >$49.94. > Thanks Dana. Sounds good. Check East Coast Parts Warehouse (800)544-4814 or (703)699-4236 for the filter. Let me know what you find. Hope to meet you soon. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:54:46 -0500 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag? Would somebody please post subscription info for Motorcycle Consumer News (price and phone #)? Many thanks. Jeff <> with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:13:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 08:19:53 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag? -Reply Not to gloat but check the web site. It's in there. In case you don't have web access, the phone number is: (714) 855-8822 >>> 12/01/95 07:54am >>> Would somebody please post subscription info for Motorcycle Consumer News (price and phone #)? Many thanks. Jeff <> Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:27:20 +0000 Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F Priority: normal This ones for Juan and Cory -- How does the plastic stand up in the kind of temperatues you guys experience in the winter. Can you even touch the PC without the plastic shattering !! Do you store the bikes in a heated space ? John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:20:33 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Hawaii and San Diego On Thu, Nov 30, 1995 7:46:12 PM at Ronald E. Pacholec wrote: >Yea, Juan and Neill, I know what you guys are talking about with this cold >weather. I rode back home from the gym last night and almost froze my butt >off! Last night we hit a low temp of 76 deg here in Honolulu, and riding >in that kind of weather with only a tank top and shorts sure does get cold! >I need to get a high windshield to block the chill. Does anybody know if >I can get one with a sun tint so I don't burn and peal all the time? There must be *something* bad about being in Hawaii -- come'on I need something to make me feel better! :-) In all seriousness, I visiting San Diego area for the first time x-mas to new Years week. I'm seeking suggestions about places/persons to see, food etc., and any advice whatsoever. Unfortunately, I'll be PC'less, but if anyone knows if it's if it's possible to beg, borrow, or steal (or rent) a bike in that area, that would be wonderful. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burack" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:29:52 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com Subject: Web site URL request On Fri, Dec 1, 1995 8:19:53 AM at Neill Thompson wrote: >Not to gloat but check the web site. It's in there. It would be great if the URL for the web site could get added to a footer tag for the list, or at least appended when a reference is made in a message. I lose the bookmark everytime my machine crashes (my computer, not my PC :-) , and have to search through Yahoo. Just a very minor point, but I know that there many other people who also have the URL hopelessly buried amidst their backups :-), but are too embarrassed to ask again....... 01 Dec 1995 11:49:32 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 11:48:48 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Hawaii and San Diego (from "J. Burack" ) (at Fri, 01 Dec 1995 12:20:33 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi J. (J. Burack), in <199512011720.MAA23740@pipe8.nyc.pipeline.com> on Dec 01 you wrote: > There must be *something* bad about being in Hawaii -- come'on I need > something to make me feel better! :-) Let's see. It's supposed to be in the 80's today in San Antonio. Up from the cold front that passed through a couple of days ago. I had to dig the liner for my leather jacket out of the closet. Does that help any? And we have fabulous chili/salsa/bbq to keep ya warm on the inside... Drop by here and I'll take ya along with me for my weekly oil change and radiator flushing at Lupita's. That's on Thursdays. You'll feel lot's better. :^) :^) > In all seriousness, I visiting San Diego area for the first time x-mas to > new Years week. I'm seeking suggestions about places/persons to see, food > etc., and any advice whatsoever. Unfortunately, I'll be PC'less, but if Roads, Roads, Roads. There are all sorts of fabulous backroads around San Diego. Get you a map and find all the little squiggly lines that run through the mountains. And certainly go up Mt. Palomar... That road is great fun. I think I lost a full 1/8" off my peg nuts there. But be careful as those turns are decreasing radius turns... (Fair warning) Sightseeing... I think we went sightseeing... At least I'm pretty sure we went sightseeing, but can't seem to remember anything but the roads and summit views and my camera only had pictures looking off of winding cliff roads. And of course San Diego is where I did my famous award-winning cliff dive. Great Place. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 14:51:17 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 14:57:16 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Juan in AZ Juan in AZ? Really!!! Very cool. When? For how long? Cruise America rental? Shadows, Wings...Accomodations? Group hug? Seriously, what's the deal. Since I'm not sure that the rest of the list wants to hear about all this, perhaps we can go off-line with this stuff. I think there are now about 4 AZ list subscribers. Juan and the AZ list subscribers (or other interested parties), drop me a line and I'll try to coordinate a get together at this end if there is any interest. Contact me at: thompson@trg.trglink.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:52:40 -1000 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: reap@pixi.com (Ronald E. Pacholec) Subject: Re: Hawaii and San Diego >There must be *something* bad about being in Hawaii -- come'on I need >something to make me feel better! :-) Well Jeff, there are a few things like: eating cold poi (tarro root that tastes like wall paper paste with vinegar); skinny dipping on a full moon (if you're in the wrong place the territorial fish can nibble); and running out of island when you get your bike up to cruising speed. I don't think that we have even 60 miles of highway in the whole state. But life here is pretty good, and the sensual experiences you get out on a bike, especially at sunset or along the ocean on a full moon are nothing short of exquisite! There are some truly wonderful things to see here, especially on a bike. So If you ever come over, let me know and I'll help you plan it out. Oh, and if anyone's coming from the Southwest, bring the chilies. Spices, especially hot, are unknown to the Polynesian food. Aloha and stay warm! Ron ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:28:19 -0500 From: HTBIII@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK In a message dated 95-11-27 17:55:01 EST, Dave Gross wrote: > anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies? My hands >are just too damn cold all the time. I have been using Hot Grips, which I purchased from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, for about a year now (installed last thanksgiving). They are a substantial improvement on cold mornings (I live in the D.C. area), although they do not totally cure my cold finger_tips_ problem. I ride every day, throughout the winter (unless there is snow or ice on the roads), so morning temp.s are often enough below freezing that I think of these things as a necessity. It's like holding a hot cup of coffee in each hand: your palms and the insides of your fingers have a nice warm feeling. I have also found that thinner gloves are better for transmitting the heat. I had been using thick, multi-layer ski gloves when it got really cold, and they seemed pretty good at insulating. Just this week I bought a pair of Motoport cold-weather gloves (nylon with Thinsulate lining) which are much thinner (more efficient insulators); my hands heat up much quicker and stay warm a little longer. I think the ideal solution might be to have electric grips with those covers that you stick your hands into that cover the grips and clutch/brake levers (what are those things called, anyway?). Has anyone tried that combination? Juan A. Goula later wrote that: >>Installation is not easy, but worth the trouble. I'm no mechanic (to say the least!), but I thought installation was easier than I expected; I did have some wiring problems (see above: I'm no mechanic...) but trial and error eventually resolved them. I still haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but I recommend you wire them to a _switched_ power source; I have more than once run the battery down by forgetting to turn the switch off. whoops! Tom Byron htbiii@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:28:47 -0500 From: HTBIII@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe In a message dated 95-11-29 18:07:00 EST, George Krobel wrote: >I don't know how you managed to get 35 m/g, but taking the foot from the >brake >pedal - when you are moving forward - may help little, unloading the lead >bricks, etc. Hey! That's not necessary at all. I commute on my PC every day (a fair amount of stop & go traffic) and routinely get about 37 mpg. I am _not_ riding stupidly or ignorantly. Even under prime conditions (under 70 mph on flat interstates), I get only about 50 mpg. Careful whom you make fun of. _You_ might be the abberation (although I wouldn't mind having your gas milage results ). >To criticize Kent is easy, but I read lots of very good stuff from him on >these pages and although he may exaggerate a bit, he knows his PC I don't think any criticism of Kent was intended, only awe and good-natured envy. I agree: like many frequent contributors on this list, Kent is a valuable resource to all us PC owners (although I'm real intrigued by recent traffic suggesting Kent's bike is a lot different from the rest of ours). Tom Byron htbiii@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com Date: 1 Dec 95 19:25:00 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fuel consumption In town: 40 - 43 Highway: 50 - 53 keeping it under 65 mph Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:14:43 -0600 Subject: Re: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK Priority: normal > In a message dated 95-11-27 17:55:01 EST, Dave Gross wrote: > > > anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies? My > > hands > >are just too damn cold all the time. > > I have been using Hot Grips, which I purchased from Motorcycle > Accessory Warehouse, for about a year now (installed last > thanksgiving). They are a substantial improvement on cold mornings > (I live in the D.C. area), although they do not totally cure my cold > finger_tips_ problem. I ride every day, throughout the winter > (unless there is snow or ice on the roads), so morning temp.s are > often enough below freezing that I think of these things as a > necessity. It's like holding a hot cup of coffee in each hand: your > palms and the insides of your fingers have a nice warm feeling. I > have also found that thinner gloves are better for transmitting the > heat. I had been using thick, multi-layer ski gloves when it got > really cold, and they seemed pretty good at insulating. Just this > week I bought a pair of Motoport cold-weather gloves (nylon with > Thinsulate lining) which are much thinner (more efficient > insulators); my hands heat up much quicker and stay warm a little > longer. I think the ideal solution might be to have electric grips > with those covers that you stick your hands into that cover the > grips and clutch/brake levers (what are those things called, > anyway?). Has anyone tried that combination? Hippo Hands. I too am curious about such a combination. What about the bar end weights? Did they interfere with installation? -Michael [AB5EL] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 01:31:55 -0500 From: Dentman711@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Clutch problem solution #1 I don't really know the solution. However, I do know some causes. As the plates attempt to slide together, as you let out the clutch lever, they must slide in the basket along a thin section notched out of the basket for the tabs on the friction plates. O.K. this sounds to coplicated already so just buy a new PC. Actually the solution is to remove the basket and very carefully remove the chatter marks that may have formed from the tabs hitting the notches. If I have not made this explanation plain enough E me and I will try harder. This is a very common problem on Motocross bikes because we tend to through the things into motion while under full power. Good luck Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / 1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Resources (from HTBIII@aol.com) (at Fri, 01 Dec 1995 19:28:47 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 01:33:28 CST Hi HTBIII (HTBIII), in <951201192846_41155095@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Dec 01 you wrote: > valuable resource to all us PC owners (although I'm real intrigued by recent > traffic suggesting Kent's bike is a lot different from the rest of ours). Let's see what's different: The front/rear suspension, the front tire, the airhorns, the throttle lock. (Not to mention the pegs, centerstand and crashbar covers and that it has spend an unwarranted number of miles with the needle at redline. :^) Forgot to check that side-Phillips theory tonight. Got my water supply tubing in for the house today and I've been a real busy boy, sweating lots of copper. Hoping to get the house ready to move in by Christmas... --- BTW, I got a flyer today from Western Auto. Fiamm airhorms on sale for $20. not sure if they are the same as what I put on, but my wife's Mazda sure has a puny horn on it. Maybe Santa'll bring her a set for Christmas in addition to the house. Best price on them I've ever seen (hint) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Criticism (from HTBIII@aol.com) (at Fri, 01 Dec 1995 19:28:47 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 01:43:22 CST > In a message dated 95-11-29 18:07:00 EST, George Krobel wrote: > > >To criticize Kent is easy, but I read lots of very good stuff from him on You guys just don't know how lucky you are that Foghorn doesn't know about this maillist... I have to make sure he's busy in the ole henhouse before I sneak back here to respond. All hell'ld break loose if he knew what I was up to. Hint: Better whisper when calling my name. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Dec 95 14:38:00 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: 30% discount on parts ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: VR2XVI, INTERNET:pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk TO: (unknown), INTERNET:PC800@SINA.HPC.UH.EDU DATE: 11/24/95 8:52 PM RE: PC800: 30% discount on parts by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 24 Nov 1995 19:40:57 -0600 (CST) 24 Nov 1995 19:40:01 -0600 24 Nov 1995 19:39:58 -0600 25 Nov 1995 09:37:52 +0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 09:37:51 +0000 (WST) From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: 30% discount on parts at Nov 22, 95 10:25 am To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi all! Finally I made the Milpitas Honda setup a 30% discount for me on parts and any purchase, and I think Andy, the owner of Milpitas Honda also wish to offer the same discount to you netters, and they're quite handy to reach, just mail to : hondamil@aol.com I have no connection with this dealer except a relation between customer and supplier. -- ***************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * PCA420 <-- Royal HK Gold Wing Aspencade * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 <-- New toy! * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * Police Training School taught : YAMAHA 650 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, your YAMAHA 250 <-- Police bike * * obedient servant! " '89 MITSUBISHI <-- For fun & * * L300 4WD for sale! * ***************************************************************************** I contacted Honda of Milpitas and received a reply from Andy. His price for a PC800 air filter is $29.99 plus $10 for ground UPS anywhere in the continental US (sorry about that, Cory and Juan!). The telephone number is 408/263-6060. That will save me about $19 over the price for one from my local dealer (including 5% S.C. sales tax.) No sales tax on out-of-state orders (the dealership is in California.) I hope that this will help some of you folks! I'm ordering an air filter ASAP! Happy holidaze! DANA SAWYER ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 02 Dec 95 14:37:54 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Re: Air filter for a '90 PC 800 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: INTERNET:HONDAMIL@aol.com, INTERNET:HONDAMIL@aol.com TO: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 DATE: 12/1/95 1:25 PM RE: Re: Air filter for a '90 PC 800 (8.6.10/5.950515) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: 71430.340@compuserve.com; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:10:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:10:29 -0500 To: 71430.340@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Air filter for a '90 PC 800 In a message dated 95-11-30 19:05:12 EST, you write: > >One of the PC800owners on the net mentioned that perhaps you would sell Honda >parts at a discount to those of us "on the net." What would an air filter >cost >for my '90 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 (include shipping, etc.)? I have 60,000 >miles on my bike, and haven't changed the air filter since about 25,000 >miles. I >looked at it recently, and it is overdue! I look forward to hearing from you. >DANA SAWYER, Founder, HSTA > > How are you doing.... 90 pc800 air filter I can do for $29.99+ shipping at $10.00 ups ground anywhere in cont US. No sales tax if shipped out Ca In stock and available Thanks Andy Honda of Milpitas 408-263-6060 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:31:33 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: HOT GRIPS At 11:14 PM 12/1/95 -0600, you wrote: >Hippo Hands. I too am curious about such a combination. What about >the bar end weights? Did they interfere with installation? There is a lady that signed on about a month ago that has that combination. She said it works pretty good but you have to set the hippo hands just so to avoid interfering with the clutch and brake levers. Bar end weights are not a problem, I used a drill hole saw to cut a 7/8" hole out the end of the grip (careful you don't cut into the resistance wires!) and a Dremel tool to grind away the knobs from the plastic throttle liner. Other than that, fairly stright forward. Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:43:40 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: 30% discount on parts >Hi all! > >Finally I made the Milpitas Honda setup a 30% discount for me on parts and >any purchase, and I think Andy, the owner of Milpitas Honda also wish to >offer the same discount to you netters, and they're quite handy to reach, > > just mail to : hondamil@aol.com > >I have no connection with this dealer except a relation between customer >and supplier. Hello there Philips. Andy already got in touch with us, thanks. Say, it just occurred to me, did the HK Poloce Dept. retire all those bikes you have, or are you "storing" the bikes for them at no cost (he he!) : - ) Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:53:12 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: AZ Visit >Juan, if you plan to get as far south as Tucson, let me know and I can tell >you a bit about it. (Half the size but twice as nice as Phoenix; and the >University of Arizona just beat Arizona State in football. Sorry, Neill.) Thanks Ed. Not sure yet if we will have the time or not, but I'll keep it mind. >Temperature today was 75. About a week ago, I saw a strange looking white >fuzzy thing in the sky; wasn't sure what it was. Been completely clear ever >since,though. Ho hum. Just another day in paradise. Hmmm... must have been one of them UFO's that you saw. : - ) 75 sounds *nice*. I called the airport this morning, we are "only" 110 degrees apart. : - ( >There is a nice Arizona site on the net you might enjoy; >http://www.arizonaguide.com/ I'll check it out! Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:58:10 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Winter Gloves At 08:18 PM 11/30/95 -0600, you wrote: >Ya! But Scottsdale is the best in the west. > Now that one I'll get to check for myself! : - ) ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:07:37 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Juan in AZ At 02:57 PM 12/1/95 -0700, you wrote: >Juan in AZ? yep. > Really!!! Very cool. When? For how long? Dec 28 - Jan 5 in Lake Havasu, Jan 6 - 13 in Scottsdale >Cruise America rental? Shadows, Wings... Maybe. Perhaps a Wing since we'll be two up and the bike is expensive enough I'm sure I won't hear " let's get one for us!" from my wife : - ) >Accomodations? Taken care of, thanks. >Group hug? Ummm... Sounds like it would be more like group therapy! : - ) >Seriously, what's the deal. Since I'm not sure that the rest of the list wants to hear about all this, perhaps >we can go off-line with this stuff. Oops. I'll send directly to you next message. A get together sounds good to me though! Let me know. Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 22:42:29 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: MCN Subscription Info Motorcycle Consumer News PO Box 420234 Palm Coast, FL 32142-0234 (904) 445-4608 Single copy price $ 4.00 US Subscriptions $ 23.97 / 12 issues. If you attend one of the bigger shows (Cycle World etc.) you can usually find their booth and save a little on the subsription. Wes St.Onge RETREADNY@aol.com Happy subscriber for about three years now ! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: 30% discount on parts To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 20:19:33 WST > Hello there Philips. Andy already got in touch with us, thanks. That's good! I just want to share this to you all and save some $$$. > Say, it just occurred to me, did the HK Poloce Dept. retire all those bikes > you have, or are you "storing" the bikes for them at no cost (he he!) : - ) Mmmm, I have to make that clear, I drive those Police bikes while doing Police duties, I own NO Police bikes, 3 bikes and a van is enough, or maybe more than enough. Fortunately I'm a happy single man, no wife will let these happened. Talking about our Auxiliary Force, I noticed that auxies in the States and Canada are not carry firearms, only doing 'minor', or 'secondary' duties such as crowd control, or traffic enforcement duties. Right here in Hong Kong, we auxies are actively engaged into daily police operations, we always carry full set of equipment including firearms while on duty, have full police rights and doing exactly same kind of workings as uniformed regular officers, of course, including the work loads. Any info. about aux. Police of your County/State? I know these are nothing related to PC800s. Happy pacific coasting! -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # Yeh I got a real wing at rear * * * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike * * your obedient servant!" YAMA SR250 <-- Police junk * * * **************************************************************************** * Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. * **************************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:50:52 -0500 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aim high output lights? In a message dated 95-11-29 00:28:01 EST, kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) writes: >Now, how does that correlate with what the manual says? Is the >adjustment on the rear of the assembly or on the bottom as I *think* >has been stated (maybe I misread)? Or... possibly there is some Kent, Not to worry. Both the maual and my wife's bike indicate that the headlamp adjusters are on the back of the headlight unit. The upper RH one is for horizontle adjustment and the one on the LL is for verticle. That seems entirely consistent with your recollection. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 22:33:35 EST From: DGLE53A@prodigy.com ( PETER J GILMORE) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hello. Peter Gilmore is my name. I bought a new '96 pc800 here in Portland, Oregon. Been away from riding about 10 years. Previous bike Maxim 550 (Yamaha) and Trophy 550 (Triumph). Interested in riding through our wet but realatively mild winter. Looking for gear advice. I don't want to spend $800 for the best UK suit as one afficianado told me I needed to do. I love the bike. Someone also has tried to expalin and introduce counter steering to me. Old habits die hard I guess. I don't get it. I steer the way I always have - INTO the turn. LIke to hear from experienced pc owners with advice, gripes, etc. cheers. PG... DGLE53A@prodigy.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:41:02 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:41:02 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: hey pg.... welcome from dave and steve in seattle. ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 00:36:57 -0500 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: SAENG Stealth Edging Greetings all: A month or so ago, a couple of postings mentioned the SAENG edging, but little was said about how it works. I have the tall Hondaline screen on my PC and the tallest SAENG Quantum on my Hawk GT, but I still get a bit more noise and turbulence at faceshield level than I care for. If the edging will give another inch or two of smooth air up top, I would give it a try. What is the concensus? Is it worth the $1/inch or whatever they're asking for it now? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:32:07 -0500 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject (countersteering) Welcome, Peter: In a message dated 95-12-03 22:38:55 EST, you write: > Someone also has tried to expalin and introduce >counter steering to me. Old habits die hard I guess. I don't get it. >I steer the way I always have - INTO the turn. The short answer is that if you have been successful in getting your motorcycle to turn precisely when and how you want it to, then you have been countersteering all along. It is really the only effective way to steer a motorcycle, and we all do it whether we are conscious of it or not. I have a 1-hour formal presentation on the subject that I give from time to time, but the easiest and best way for you to find out about countersteering is to take your new PC to the next MSF Experienced RiderCourse that the Team Oregon folks put on in your area. This subject and other important riding techniques are covered well, and you'll get plenty of practice. They should hand out (or at least have available) the ERC Participant's Handbook which contains, among other useful items, the MSF's RiderResource #10 which explains countersteering in some detail. If they don't give you one, ask for it. Until an ERC is available (and if you've been out of the saddle for 10 years, don't put off taking the course), just keep on doing what has been working for you and don't let amateur "explanations" confuse you. Ride well and enjoy, JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 03:41:01 -0800 From: lucas.m@ix.netcom.com (Mark J. Lucas ) Subject: Re: Countersteer To: DGLE53A@prodigy.com ( PETER J GILMORE) Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Peter, you wrote: >I love the bike. Someone also has tried to expalin and introduce >counter steering to me. Old habits die hard I guess. I don't get it. >I steer the way I always have - INTO the turn. Dispite what you may think you are doing, unless you have a side-car or are traveling under about 25 mph, it is impossible to steer into a turn and actually turn the way you want to go. A good demonstration of this is to find a chair that swivels (like a small office chair) and a bicycle tire. Hold the tire in front of you and get someone to spin it so it is going at a good clip. (Watch your nose at this time!) Now, turn the spinning tire to the left. You will turn to the right, just like you do on a motorcycle. If you'd like the full discussion of the physics on this, you can find it in the Motorcycle Consumer News (I can't come up with the exact one right now). I find it sufficient to see the physical demonstration. -- Ride in peace, Mark lucas.m@ix.netcom.com DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 07:46:42 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (_PETER_J_GILMORE)_DGLE53A@prodigy.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 12/04/95 07:49 ## Congratulations and welcome, Peter Gilmore. I like that color based on one viewing on a showroom floor. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ( PETER J GILMORE) DGLE53A@prodigy.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 12/03/95 22:33 ## Hello. Peter Gilmore is my name. I bought a new '96 pc800 here in Portland, Oregon. Been away from riding about 10 years. Previous bike Maxim 550 (Yamaha) and Trophy 550 (Triumph). Interested in riding through our wet but realatively mild winter. Looking for gear advice. I don't want to spend $800 for the best UK suit as one afficianado told me I needed to do. I love the bike. Someone also has tried to expalin and introduce counter steering to me. Old habits die hard I guess. I don't get it. I steer the way I always have - INTO the turn. LIke to hear from experienced pc owners with advice, gripes, etc. cheers. PG... DGLE53A@prodigy.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 06:59:53 -0600 Mon, 4 Dec 1995 7:59:41 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: Air filter for a '90 PC 800 At 02:37 PM 12/2/95 -0500, you wrote: > >---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > >From: INTERNET:HONDAMIL@aol.com, INTERNET:HONDAMIL@aol.com >TO: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 >DATE: 12/1/95 1:25 PM > >RE: Re: Air filter for a '90 PC 800 > >>DANA SAWYER, Founder, HSTA >> > >How are you doing.... >90 pc800 air filter I can do for $29.99+ shipping at $10.00 ups ground >anywhere in cont US. >No sales tax if shipped out Ca >In stock and available >Thanks >Andy >Honda of Milpitas >408-263-6060 Thanks Dana. Waldo GSU ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Dec 1995 08:23:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 08:29:30 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Countersteering I think the most effective demonstration of countersteering is to find a nice straight stretch of road and while riding, gently push on the left handle bar and notice the bike begin to bear left. Reverse the pressure so that you are genly pushing on the right handle bar. By alternating pressure left and right, you should be able to set up a gentle weaving. Assuming that you are in traffic, don't do anything drastic, just a very mild manuver. If you can get onto a vacant piece of pavement you might try a more pronounced manuver and simulate the 'cones' exercise from the MSF Beginning Rider course. In the words of my MSF instructor, "Push right-go right". It doesn't seem logical but once you get into the feel of it on the straight, you may recognize that that is what you have been doing unconsciously in other situations. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:01:16 +0000 Subject: Welcome Roger Prince, Counter intuitive steering! Priority: normal Welcome Roger Prince ! You've been counter steering without knowing it or you wouldn't have come this far on a motorcycle. The explanation and gyro mechanics are quite COUNTER intuitive. Don't worry about it, just keep riding. You will be a much BETTER and SAFER rider if you CAN grasp the concept of what you are actually doing to steer, particularly important in a collision avoidence manoever. Try the experiments suggested by others on this list THEY REALLY DO WORK. Better yet sign up for the MSF rider course, I did after I had been riding for 40+ years and I learned a LOT. Keep the rubber side down! John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: SAENG Stealth Edging (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Mon, 04 Dec 1995 00:36:57 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:38:12 CST Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951204003656_124220538@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Dec 04 you wrote: > A month or so ago, a couple of postings mentioned the SAENG edging, but [...] > will give another inch or two of smooth air up top, I would give it a try. > What is the concensus? Is it worth the $1/inch or whatever they're asking > for it now? Barely worth it, but I'd do it again. Only if you really need that extra inch or two. I've been running it with the stock '90 short screen for a couple of years now. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:26:09 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Honda parts prices...ouch! At 07:46 PM 11/30/95 -1000, you wrote: >Yea, Juan and Neill, I know what you guys are talking about with this cold >weather. I rode back home from the gym last night and almost froze my butt >off! Last night we hit a low temp of 76 deg here in Honolulu, and riding >in that kind of weather with only a tank top and shorts sure does get cold! >I need to get a high windshield to block the chill. Does anybody know if >I can get one with a sun tint so I don't burn and peal all the time? Actually, Rifle does make a tinted shield. Have you tried spreading sunblock over your current shield? : - ) >Seriously, besides the windshield, I also need to get an air filter and >some other parts. Unfortunately there ain't much selection on this island, >so I need to get most things mail order. Any recommendations? I've got >an '89 with low miles and I really love it. I also have an '83 Sabre in >California. The Sabre's faster, but the PC's much easier to ride. I bet most bikes in Hawaii are low mileage. How do they fare with the salt air though? Summer of '94 I saw a '94 PC with Hawaii plates. The guy had two or three antennas sticking out the back from under his cover. Must have been expensive to ship it over here! (or maybe those bolt on pontoons I keep hearing about) : - ) >I live on the south east tip of the island of Oahu, and riding my PC here >is like being in heaven! The best time is around sunset. The sky blazes >with fire, the flowers become super fragrant, and the air cools to a balmy >80 deg. We're starting our rainy season now, but if anyone wants to thaw >out and be with nature, this is the place. How would you rate the islands as far as quality/quantity of roads? The only one I've been on is Maui. >I just got on the mailing list a short while ago and really appreciate the >advice, wit, and wisdom you guys have. If anyone plans to come here, drop >me a line - maybe I can help you plan a really great time. Welcome, and thanks. Juan It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Bolt On Pontoons? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 11:17:11 -0800 From: Gaye Grabill This sounds like something the PC riders in the Northwest need to check up on! The way things are going here they should come in quite handy very soon... :-) -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:35:56 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: PC800 at -30F At 10:27 AM 12/1/95 +0000, you wrote: >This ones for Juan and Cory -- > >How does the plastic stand up in the kind of temperatues you guys >experience in the winter. Can you even touch the PC without the >plastic shattering !! Do you store the bikes in a heated space ? >John Well John, I really don't know, since I've never taken my bike out when it is this cold (currently at a cozy -29F). Both Cory and I keep our bikes in heated garages. I suspect it gets pretty brittle though. This reminds me of the winter of '89 - '90, when we broke all cold temp. records ( -68F here in Fairbanks, -88 a bit further north) Any way, one of the "Big Three" auto manufacturers thought it would be neat to do some cold weather testing on their then-new models. They never though it would get that cold. When the testers tried to close the doors one morning, the all ended up with the door handles and a chunk of the door panels in their hands! There is a guy, our local BMW dealer (a real character) that does ride all winter. His fairing is made out of fiberglass though. I once asked him if he used studded tires, and he replied: "Nah, they give me too much confidence." (true story!) Let's see: (Northern "lower 48" and Canadian riders will be familiar with some of these): At 0F your nose hairs freeze At -10 the snow gets crunchy and ice squeaks. At -20 mineral motor oil starts pouring like molases At -30 You better hope you plugged your car in. At -35 Oil in shock absorbers is worthless. Even Cadillacs ride like old WWII Willys Jeeps At -40 a 50/50 mixture of antifreeze is no longer effective, unprotected engine blocks start snapping like chestnuts. At -45 Cheap tires get flat spots at the road contact point. You can throw a glas-full of water up in the air and the water will never reach the ground. At -50 Hydraulic brakes and clutches feel like they have honey in the lines. At -55 Cold fan belts snap like pretzels. At -60 Even good quality tires become "square" and you get a thunka-thunka ride for at least a couple of miles. At -65 Kiss your un-heated battery goodbye. At -70 Who cares! Stay home! : - ) Don't you guys feel lucky? Juan It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:12:33 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F Priority: normal > At -65 Kiss your un-heated battery goodbye. > At -70 Who cares! Stay home! : - ) > > Don't you guys feel lucky? So why do you stay? With electric gear you can ride year-round in Oklahoma in comfort. It doesn't snow much in Tulsa & OKC, either. -Michael [AB5EL] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Earth, Sol System, Orion Arm. . . . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Dec 95 17:41:22 EST From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: pc800 Subject: Re: Message from Internet >Interested in riding through our wet but realatively mild winter. >Looking for gear advice. I don't want to spend $800 for the best UK >suit as one afficianado told me I needed to do. Peter, Motoport makes a nice Gortex rain suit for $99 I believe. You might want to check that out if you aren't interested in the higher end waterproof riding suits. You can reach Motoport at 619-929-4880. Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 04 Dec 95 18:09:57 EST From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: We need YOU in the HSTA! If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application! We have close to 2,000 members and more than 100 PC800 Pacific Coast owners! We plan to have a meeting of PC owners at STAR '96, our 14th national rally, to be held June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. A number of you have responded to my recent E-mail message. Some of you have been HSTA members for years, whereas others of you have joined the HSTA more recently! To each you, my heartfelt thanks! To the rest of you, we have a spot reserved just for you! We're going places...crank up that PC and ride along with us! So...send me your snail-mail addresss and I'll fill up your mail box! Happy Christmas and Merry New Year! And...be real careful out there! Note: I have a '980 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast with 61,000 miles. It runs and looks about like new! And...no...it's not for sale! That is...unless I like the looks of the color of the new '96 model! Dana L. Sawyer Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director - HSTA Member #0001 AMA Life Member #180901 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 4 Dec 1995 15:39:43 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- We need YOU in th To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>PC800: We need YOU in the HSTA! Please send the info concerning HSTA to: George Korbel 6183 Corte Trancas Pleasanton, CA 94566 Thanks. -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 12/4/95 3:28 PM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to send you an information brochure/membership application! We have close to 2,000 members and more than 100 PC800 Pacific Coast owners! We plan to have a meeting of PC owners at STAR '96, our 14th national rally, to be held June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis, West Virginia. A number of you have responded to my recent E-mail message. Some of you have been HSTA members for years, whereas others of you have joined the HSTA more recently! To each you, my heartfelt thanks! To the rest of you, we have a spot reserved just for you! We're going places...crank up that PC and ride along with us! So...send me your snail-mail addresss and I'll fill up your mail box! Happy Christmas and Merry New Year! And...be real careful out there! Note: I have a '980 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast with 61,000 miles. It runs and looks about like new! And...no...it's not for sale! That is...unless I like the looks of the color of the new '96 model! Dana L. Sawyer Founder, Executive Committee Member and South Carolina State Director - HSTA Member #0001 AMA Life Member #180901 "Life is short...I think I'll go riding!" ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 04 Dec 1995 17:17:10 -0600 (CST) 04 Dec 1995 17:15:47 -0600 04 Dec 1995 18:15:43 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 18:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> Subject: We need YOU in the HSTA! To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 16:10:16 TZ Subject: RE: Hi Peter, Welcome I've added you to my "Northwest Riders" list (9 so far). Gaye Gabrill is in Portland (gaye@percy.rain.com) and Michael Jones is in Linfield (mjones@calbin.linfield.edu). I'm up in the Seattle area with the remaining half dozen. <> If your really commited to it you may find yourself with an Aerostictch or Motoport in the end. I tried using all my backpacking gear -- goretex parka, coated rainpants, etc -- and finally got fed up with spending so much time dressing/undressing. The more pieces and layers you have the longer and tougher it gets. By the time you add it all up your not that far from getting a suit designed specically for the wet and daily grind of motorcycle commuting. The Aerostitch is very popular amongst the riders here at Microsoft and the Motoport has recently started a strong showing. Both seem designed specifically for Northwest riding and will keep you dry and comfortable 98% of the time. In 50+ temps I often only need a t-shirt underneath for my daily commute. 30-50 degrees I use polarfleece. Below 30 and I recommend electic stuff. << Someone also has tried to explain and introduce counter steering to me.>> Lots of stuff written on the subject. To get some hands on instruction I recommend the Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses. They're cheap and easy to do. The Experienced Rider Course is one day and should be just what you're looking for. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:38:21 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Northwest Riders >Welcome I've added you to my "Northwest Riders" list (9 so far). Gaye >Gabrill is in Portland (gaye@percy.rain.com) and Michael Jones is in >Linfield (mjones@calbin.linfield.edu). I'm up in the Seattle area with >the remaining half dozen. How many of you are planning on attending the International Motorcycle Show? I'll be there Sunday th 14th, maybe we can meet there! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 16:59:32 TZ Subject: Northwest Roster -- calling all slugs! I've been compiling a list of all the Northwest riders in hopes of doing some group rides. What I have so far is below followed by a more detailed file attatchment with phone/address. Please let me know if there are any additions/corrections. Gathering Proposal: Intl. Motorcycle Show in Seattle Jan 12-14. Breakfast, group ride, see the show, etc. Email me direct and I'll put it together. -bryceu ------------------ First Last City State Email Bike Dane Cote Bremerton WA dancote@aol.com Jerry Kirdby Issaquah WA 95 Bryce Ulrich Kirkland WA bryceu@microsoft.com 89 Steve Gross Seattle WA slgross@halcyon.com 89 Dave Gross Seattle WA dkgross@halcyon.com 90 Mike McCarty North Bend WA spirit737@aol.com 94 Michael Jones Linfield OR mjones@calbin.linfield.edu Gaye Gabrill Portland OR gaye@percy.rain.com Peter Gilmore Portland OR DGLE53A@prodigy.com 96 [[ PC800.XLS : 4544 in PC800.XLS ]] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 17:02:54 TZ Subject: RE: Northwest Riders I'll keep you in loop Juan. Just sent mail to the others about the show. Once I know who wants to come I'll email everyone seperately from the PC800 alias so we;ll keep the email traffic down for everyone else. -bryceu ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Juan A. Goula" To: Subject: Northwest Riders Date: Monday, December 04, 1995 3:38PM >Welcome I've added you to my "Northwest Riders" list (9 so far). Gaye >Gabrill is in Portland (gaye@percy.rain.com) and Michael Jones is in >Linfield (mjones@calbin.linfield.edu). I'm up in the Seattle area with >the remaining half dozen. How many of you are planning on attending the International Motorcycle Show? I'll be there Sunday th 14th, maybe we can meet there! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 20:27:36 -0500 From: BillF13019@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Gas gauge I drained my tank and performed a precision adjustment on the fuel level sensor. In other words I bent the crap out of it. I put the gas back in a gallon at a time to get a feel how the gauge reads. I found that with the gauge reading empty with 1/2 gallon in the tank that three gallons took the gauge to the full mark. The extra gallon or so just pushes the needle past the full mark. Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. Thanks Bill Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: BillF13019@aol.com, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 20:15:52 -0600 Subject: Dashboard Warp Priority: normal > Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm > talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below > the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. > > I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them > together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. If you have a tall Honda shield, it's likely the culprit. -Michael [AB5EL] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Earth, Sol System, Orion Arm. . . . (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:21:04 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:21:04 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Northwest Riders Juan, Dave & I will _definitely_ be there. Either day is fine. *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:27:02 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Gas gauge At 08:27 PM 12/4/95 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm >talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below >the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. Bill, Two posibilities: a) Someone took the bike apart and did not put the pieces back together correctly b) Do you have a Honda Tall Windshield? Those things have a nasty habit of melting dashboards >I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them >together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. I would try to take everything apart and fit it back together. I know it's a major hassle, but if it works you don't punch holes in you bike. Good luck! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 18:28:53 TZ Subject: RE: Gas gauge I too may do the gas needle adjustment -- sure would like it for long trips. As far as the vent goes, my '89 also has the gap problem. There are only a few plastic tabs there that are supposed to keep the parts in alignment. Problem is with the warpage the tabs aren't long enough to "catch" and hold things together. I think to really fix the problem you'll need to take it all apart and build some bolt-together brakets and affix them to the vent and dash. I'm probably going to have the front cowling off later this month and I'll give it a go and report back on any working designs I come up with. I've got some cracks to heal, wiring to do, etc. -bryceu ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Subject: Gas gauge Date: Monday, December 04, 1995 8:27PM I drained my tank and performed a precision adjustment on the fuel level sensor. In other words I bent the crap out of it. I put the gas back in a gallon at a time to get a feel how the gauge reads. I found that with the gauge reading empty with 1/2 gallon in the tank that three gallons took the gauge to the full mark. The extra gallon or so just pushes the needle past the full mark. Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. Thanks Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:37:19 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F At 04:12 PM 12/4/95 -0600, you wrote: >So why do you stay? Well... hard to pinpoint. The lifestyle fits me like a glove, the people are nice and helpful (and few), I guess there are too many that I *do* like about Alaska to list... >It doesn't snow much in Tulsa & OKC, either. Now how could I ride my sno-go if it doesn't snow? (present winter conditions excluded). Besides, by being here I get to whine about the dark ,dreary winter days to my fellow PC'ers! : - ) But enough about the cold. How about if you warm-to-hot weather riders tell us about how you equip yourselves to cope with the conditions? I mean, it's easy to put more gear on, but you can only take so much off! ; - ) Anyone with an air conditioner on their PC? ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:04:17 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:04:17 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Northwest Roster -- calling all slugs! bryce..count me in for the 13th or14th if the weather cooperates!!!! ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:04:12 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:04:12 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: brr bryce... at what point do we start looking at bus schedules??? :>) ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:05:11 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:05:11 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F juan MOVE TO WHERE THE SUN IS! ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." 04 Dec 1995 21:20:52 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:19:52 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F (from "Juan A. Goula" ) (at Mon, 04 Dec 1995 17:37:19 -0900 (AKST)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199512050237.RAA08822@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Dec 04 you wrote: > easy to put more gear on, but you can only take so much off! ; - ) > Anyone with an air conditioner on their PC? Yep. A leather jacket with a light cotton long-sleeved shirt. I.e. a portable swamp cooler. Works great unless you're riding in 100% humidity 110+ degrees, such as Del Rio, Texas often has. :^( I've ridden in 120 degrees bundled up that way and stayed a lot more comfortable than sitting under a shade tree at those temps. Of course, part of what makes the A/C work is to make sure you stay mentally relaxed. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: Gas gauge (from Bryce Ulrich ) (at Mon, 04 Dec 1995 18:28:53 +0000 (TZ)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:32:34 CST Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in <199512050232.SAA03036@imail1.microsoft.com> on Dec 04 you wrote: > I'm probably going to have the front cowling off later this month and > I'll give it a go and report back on any working designs I come up > with. I've got some cracks to heal, wiring to do, etc. Every PC that I've seen (pre-'94) also has a problem with the little cap that fits between the scoop you guys are talking about and the windscreen. The problem is where it meets the sides of the cowling just above the mirrors. It's supposed to wrap over the top of the cowling just outside the edge of the windscreen, but the outside edges just never quite hold. I ended up taking a solder iron and improving on the 'latch' design a bit. It stays together now... Did they ever improve that situation on the '94 and later models? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 04 Dec 1995 21:39:38 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 21:38:38 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: We need YOU in the HSTA! (from "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>) (at Mon, 04 Dec 1995 18:09:57 -0500 (EST)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Dana (Dana L. Sawyer), on Dec 04 you wrote: ^^^^ > If you're not a member of the Honda Sport Touring Association, I'd like to ^^^^^ This isn't that same person griping about me scraping my pegs is it? If so, there'd have to be a lot of explaining done prior to extracting any money from me. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Michael S. Keller" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:01:01 -0600 Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F Priority: normal > MOVE TO WHERE THE SUN IS! That's a long trip. By the way, which sun? -Michael [AB5EL] mskeller@ionet.net michael.keller@paranet.com Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA, Earth, Sol System, Orion Arm. . . . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:12:20 -0500 From: Dentman711@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: What color was the 1994 PC? Just wondering. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:23:46 -0500 From: Dentman711@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rick's Sunday ride Juan I really jinxed our beautiful Sunday ride by teasing you. We rolled out of my driveway at 10a.m. and headed North toward Tenn. We take as many small roads as practical. The weather turned more gloomy by the mile. I for one am not a big gloomy day person. But, I was as happy as a clam to be out riding. I bought a topo map of Tenn. Friday and had marked a route to entertain us while we rode. Are usual destination is Sewanee University of the South near I-24. The road is 2 lanes up and 1 down. You can really get into some peg dragging if you want. I for one am not up to that level with my darling with hanging on behind me. Anyway we picked up a couple of other bikers along the way and we let it all hang out on the way up. Some hot rod passed fairly easily in one of the last turns and then we all pulled into the scenic overlook. The guy pulls off his helmet and to my surprise he was a real ol' timer. Lived on top of Sewanne all his life and by God he rode that hill well. He had the smallest cc bike of the bunch to boot. Real nice fellow. Next we headed into Monteagle, Tenn. We went to a real old fashioned flea market. Some real characters at this place :-) I had some fresh roasted peanuts and looked at a lot of used stuff. The best weather passed us while we munched nuts and searched for that silk purse. By the time we ate lunch it was obvious it was going to perspire on or heads. We doubled back to Sewanne and elected to follow our original layout down Highway 156 (it would have been quicker to go back the way we came). 156 was everything we had hoped for except it was wet. 156 takes you through a state forest and is a mix of rollers and wide turns. The last portion is the real reason to ride it though. The first turn as you come off the Cumberland Plateau is a switch back. I looked to my side as I came out and my Cousin was right beside me just entering the turn. I just wish it had been dry. Many turns later you are off the Cumberland and in South Pittsburgh ( now don't get all exited thinking I have gotten lost or have found some worm hole or something, it's South Pittsburgh, Alabama). The sun never came out and the much anticipated 75F was in Mexico on vacation or something. We got a little damp and cold as we didn't get home until after sun down. Oh and we did donate to the Alabama State Troopers benevolence society $88.00 for 77mph in a 55mph :-( And I never speed in my cage! Anyhow that was our Sunday ride or at least the more interesting portions of the 180 mile jaunt. Monday was total sun and a little warmer :-( I think the next time I'm spotting for our weather man at the gym I will get a muscle cramp at an inopportune moment ;-) Later Y'all Rick Fisher Dentman711@AOL.COM ***************************************************************** *1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc / WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS... *1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / 1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS) *Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat ***************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What color was the 1994 PC? Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 00:28:44 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Black, just like the '95 model. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 04:04:53 -0800 From: lucas.m@ix.netcom.com (Mark J. Lucas ) Subject: Re: Gas gauge To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Hummmmm, sounds like alot of work on the fuel tank. I just keep riding the thing and watching the gas guage. Haven't run it dry, yet, but I did put 3.8 gallons in it once. Hope that is as low as I ever get. Yep on the vent. Don't have any idea what to do about it. It really bugs me every time I see it, but any fixes I can think of would make it look uglier than it is. If you come up with some idea, let me know. You wrote: > >I drained my tank and performed a precision adjustment on the fuel level >sensor. In other words I bent the crap out of it. I put the gas back in a >gallon at a time to get a feel how the gauge reads. I found that with the >gauge reading empty with 1/2 gallon in the tank that three gallons took the >gauge to the full mark. The extra gallon or so just pushes the needle past >the full mark. > >Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm >talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below >the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. > >I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them >together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. > >Thanks >Bill > -- Ride in peace, Mark lucas.m@ix.netcom.com DoD# 1827 AMA# 697583 '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:54:22 -0600 Tue, 5 Dec 1995 7:54:01 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: RE: Fit >Every PC that I've seen (pre-'94) also has a problem with the little >cap that fits between the scoop you guys are talking about and the >windscreen. The problem is where it meets the sides of the cowling >just above the mirrors. It's supposed to wrap over the top of the >cowling just outside the edge of the windscreen, but the outside >edges just never quite hold. >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu I installed a Rifle system and it fits perfect. My tall Hondaline had the same problem. Waldo GSU ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 08:57:28 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Kent_Polk)_kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: RE: Gas gauge ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 12/05/95 09:00 ## The "garnish" you are referring to doesn't fit any better on the '95 than on the '90 because all they changed is the color. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Kent Polk) kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 12/04/95 21:32 ## Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in <199512050232.SAA03036@imail1.microsoft.com> on Dec 04 you wrote: > I'm probably going to have the front cowling off later this month and > I'll give it a go and report back on any working designs I come up > with. I've got some cracks to heal, wiring to do, etc. Every PC that I've seen (pre-'94) also has a problem with the little cap that fits between the scoop you guys are talking about and the windscreen. The problem is where it meets the sides of the cowling just above the mirrors. It's supposed to wrap over the top of the cowling just outside the edge of the windscreen, but the outside edges just never quite hold. I ended up taking a solder iron and improving on the 'latch' design a bit. It stays together now... Did they ever improve that situation on the '94 and later models? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:12:42 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Mark_J._Lucas_)_lucas.m@ix.netcom.com Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Gas gauge ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 12/05/95 09:15 ## I agree about why bother with the fuel gauge sender. I've figured out what the gauge is telling me as is. I've put 4.0+ gallons in my tank more times than my wife likes to think of (4.3 once just out of Death Valley) but have never run out. A six gallon tank is what is really needed. IMHO. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Mark J. Lucas ) lucas.m@ix.netcom.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 12/05/95 04:04 ## Hummmmm, sounds like alot of work on the fuel tank. I just keep riding the thing and watching the gas guage. Haven't run it dry, yet, but I did put 3.8 gallons in it once. Hope that is as low as I ever get. Yep on the vent. Don't have any idea what to do about it. It really bugs me every time I see it, but any fixes I can think of would make it look uglier than it is. If you come up with some idea, let me know. You wrote: > >I drained my tank and performed a precision adjustment on the fuel level >sensor. In other words I bent the crap out of it. I put the gas back in a >gallon at a time to get a feel how the gauge reads. I found that with the >gauge reading empty with 1/2 gallon in the tank that three gallons took the >gauge to the full mark. The extra gallon or so just pushes the needle past >the full mark. > >Has anyone else had problems with the windscreen air vent warping? I'm >talking about the little scoop piece that fits behind the small grill below >the windshield. On mine there is a gap where the scoop meets the dashboard. > >I was thinking about taking three small screws and trying to screw them >together but I'm not sure if this would mess up the plastic. > >Thanks >Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Gas gauge (from lucas.m@ix.netcom.com (Mark J. Lucas )) (at Tue, 05 Dec 1995 04:04:53 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 09:10:10 CST Hi Mark (Mark J. Lucas), in <199512051204.EAA27968@ix.ix.netcom.com> on Dec 05 you wrote: > Hummmmm, sounds like alot of work on the fuel tank. I just keep riding the > thing and watching the gas guage. Haven't run it dry, yet, but I did put 3.8 It's really not that hard to do. Remember where the gauge was when you put 4.0 gallons in it? Well, just run it to there, put the bike on the centerstand, pull the sending unit out and adjust till that '4.0' reads where you want. Took me a total of about 5 minutes (hit it the first time), including the time I spent just looking around while I was there. The main reason I did it was to prevent hysteria when someone unfamiliar with the situation is on the bike and it still has over a gallon left. > gallons in it once. Hope that is as low as I ever get. It'll hold about 4.3 gal to the top of the filler neck. I run it down to 4.0 pretty much every tankfull. That still gives me a 10+ mile reserve. Plenty of time to look for a station under normal circumstances. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:13:18 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Windshield Option Waldo, Your the first person I've seen on this list that went from the tall Hondaline to the Rifle system. From all that I've seen so far about the Rifle, I've been wondering about making the switch myself. I get the impression that the visibilty (ie. lack of distortion) through the Rifle screen is better and wind protection for driver is about the same. My concern is that the Rifle screen dosn't appear to be as wide and may not afford the same wind protection for the PASSENGER. Even so, the tall Hondaline doen't provide much wind protection for the back passenger. I was guessing that since the Rifle screen was more streamlined, that the side turbulance may be reduced, and that the passenger wind protection may be the same or better. What do you think? I'm glad to hear the Rifle fits well (except for the need to enlarge the one mounting hole). REM ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 near Philadelphia, PA. fax: (609) 722-4410 '89 PC800, '84 Helix (my better half) AMA, HRC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:38:01 -0600 Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:37:40 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Windshield Option At 10:13 AM 12/5/95 -0500, you wrote: >Waldo, > >Your the first person I've seen on this list that went from the tall >Hondaline to the Rifle system. From all that I've seen so far about the >Rifle, I've been wondering about making the switch myself. I get the >impression that the visibilty (ie. lack of distortion) through the Rifle >screen is better and wind protection for driver is about the same. Wind protection is better, fit is better, it is better looking and I do not believe it will cause meltdown of my dash. (Honda of America denyed to me that this happens by the way. They call it normal sun deteriation. I call it " blow torch meltdown.") > >My concern is that the Rifle screen dosn't appear to be as wide and may not >afford the same wind protection for the PASSENGER. Not sure about the passenger protection. Driver protection is fantastic. I highly recommend the Rifle system. Best inprovement I have made to my bike. I got the tint and look over it. The middle height rifle is about the same as the Hondaline. (Slightly taller). I can raise by head two or three inches above normal and still not get any wind buffing. Probably could go with the shortest Rifle size. Good Luck. Waldo >============================================================================== >Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support >Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com >Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 >near Philadelphia, PA. fax: (609) 722-4410 >'89 PC800, '84 Helix (my better half) >AMA, HRC > > > ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 07:51:33 PST From: Richard A. Hardy To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: coolant removal %UNIPLEX %TO pc800@hpc.uh.edu %FROM c601rah %SYSTEM argo %SUBJECT coolant removal %DATE 28/11/95 13:45 %REFERENCE 42449 Richard Hardy San Diego c601rah@sssd.navy.mil 1990 PC800 bought new May 1992 I just subscribed yesterday, Nov 27, 1995 I recently changed my coolant, following the Honda Service Manual, and thought I might save others some time. The manual is fine up to the point of draining the coolant by removal of the drain bolt. This requires removal of only the left step holder cover, saddlebag protecter, side cover, and lower cover. Note: replace the drain bolt sealing washer as the manual recommends as it only costs 84 cents. The manual then states to remove the reserve tank bolt and drain the reserve tank. DON'T DO IT! It requires removal of both step holder@@ DDDD covers, side covers, lower covers, mirrors, fairing protecters, air duct lids, the windscreen, and front upper cowl. What do you gain? Disposition of a about six ounces of old coolant. It isn't worth it! Far better to@@ DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD simply siphon it out, and if you miss an ounce or so, what of it? Once I got into the above removals, it was like a point of no return, but I'll not do it again for a few ounces of coolant. %UEND (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:20:20 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:20:20 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Windshield Option waldo..do you have the '+2" or the +4" ? ------------ Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Dec 1995 11:17:51 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 11:17:24 -0500 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: I'll add to Waldo's comments. I'm a 6'1" (and shrinking) lad who recently I'll add to Waldo's comments. I'm a 6'1" (and shrinking) lad who recently installed the +2 Rifle, non-tinted. I am extremely happy with the change. Installation was easy, with no modifications needed. Fit and finish are very good. Driver protection is excellent. I was astounded at the reduction in the noise level vs. the tall Hondaline; I can really hear the engine, transmission and tires now, which makes for a more enjoyable ride. I look over the shield most of the time, but find it really easy to crouch a little bit to look through, especially at speed. Optics and clarity of the shield are very good with no distortion In addition, the reflection of the round keyswitch in the shield is very much reduced. My wife feels more protected, but very marginally. I notice that we can now talk without shouting on our intercom system, and we can actually hear the radio. There is no question that $200 is a lot to pay for the improvements, but IMHO it's worth every penny. Jan deRoos jad10@cornell.edu >>> Waldo E. Meeks 12/05/95 10:38am >>> At 10:13 AM 12/5/95 -0500, you wrote: >Waldo, > >Your the first person I've seen on this list that went from the tall >Hondaline to the Rifle system. From all that I've seen so far about the >Rifle, I've been wondering about making the switch myself. I get the >impression that the visibilty (ie. lack of distortion) through the Rifle >screen is better and wind protection for driver is about the same. Wind protection is better, fit is better, it is better looking and I do not believe it will cause meltdown of my dash. (Honda of America denyed to me that this happens by the way. They call it normal sun deteriation. I call it " blow torch meltdown.") > >My concern is that the Rifle screen dosn't appear to be as wide and may not >afford the same wind protection for the PASSENGER. Not sure about the passenger protection. Driver protection is fantastic. I highly recommend the Rifle system. Best inprovement I have made to my bike. I got the tint and look over it. The middle height rifle is about the same as the Hondaline. (Slightly taller). I can raise by head two or three inches above normal and still not get any wind buffing. Probably could go with the shortest Rifle size. Good Luck. Waldo >============================================================================== >Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support >Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com >Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 >near Philadelphia, PA. fax: (609) 722-4410 >'89 PC800, '84 Helix (my better half) >AMA, HRC > > > ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:15:06 -0600 Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:14:45 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Windshield Option At 08:20 AM 12/5/95 -0800, you wrote: >waldo..do you have the '+2" or the +4" ? > > >------------ >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog >"It's gotta groove..." I have the 22" which is about the same as the Hondaline tall in height. (slightly taller). I am 6'1" and like to look over the sheild. Like I said before if I move my head two or three inches higher than usually riding position I still do not receive any wind buffing. I believe I could do with the 20" shield and have better visibility although it works great now. I did cut one inch off the 22" shield however. I could see over before I cut but this just made it better. Rifle home page can be found on the web by typing in "Rifle". Take Care Waldo Waldo ============================== Dr. Waldo E. Meeks Manufacturing Program Coordinator/ Professor - Industrial Management Allen E. Paulson College of Science and Technology LB# 8047 Georgia Southern University Statesboro, GA 30460 (912)681-5828 FAX (912)871-1853 ============================== ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:51:10 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: Gas gauge At 09:32 PM 12/4/95 -0600, you wrote: >Every PC that I've seen (pre-'94) also has a problem with the little >cap that fits between the scoop you guys are talking about and the >windscreen. The problem is where it meets the sides of the cowling >just above the mirrors. It's supposed to wrap over the top of the >cowling just outside the edge of the windscreen, but the outside >edges just never quite hold. Count me in on that one. I always thought it was because of the Rifle shield lower piece so I just ignored it. ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 05 Dec 1995 12:01:14 -0600 (CST) by jarvis.ims.alaska.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA11263 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 1995 08:56:08 -0900 (AKST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 08:56:08 -0900 (AKST) From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: What color was the 1994 PC? To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu At 01:12 AM 12/5/95 -0500, you wrote: >Just wondering. Black top/silver bottom. ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 11:05:27 TZ Subject: Re: Windshield Option >My concern is that the Rifle screen dosn't appear to be as wide and may not >afford the same wind protection for the PASSENGER. Speeds under 65mph: My passenger will attest that a +4" Rifle was a big improvement over the short stock '89 shield. She can listen to the radio and talk on the intercom in a normal voice. Speeds over 65 (especially in Montana): Lots of wind buffetting and sometimes she says her helmet wants to pull off. Leanne calls it "the Interstate Beating" (tm). Of course I don't feel a thing in the drivers seat. If we need to make time or I feel like having fun we negotiate how long we'll ride fast before giving her a break. I often let her lean her chin on one of my shoulders for extended periods of time. Top speed for the 2 of us was 115mph flying through central Montana with full load of camping gear strapped on the back. Yehaw! -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:16:49 -0500 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas gauge Hi Kent: In a message dated 95-12-04 23:34:49 EST, you write: >I ended up taking a solder iron and improving on the 'latch' design a bit. It stays > together now... How about a few more details on your improvements. Sounds like a good idea, but it could get expensive if I were to 'improve' things a bit too much in the wrong direction. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:58:14 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Motorcycle Show At 06:21 PM 12/4/95 -0800, you wrote: >Juan, > >Dave & I will _definitely_ be there. Either day is fine. I'll be there on the 14th (Sunday), probably around noon. I'll probably be wearing a T-shirt with some picture about the Tanacross, AK Road Race. See you there! Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 18:26:34 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 18:26:34 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: coolant removal Welcome, Richard! Government Computer system, eh? it's throwing wierd characters in, but the message got through. Here's another hint for coolant change-out -- Let the Honda service guys do it :) *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 07:58:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 08:04:21 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hot weather riding---was Re: PC800 at -30F -Reply >>> Juan A. Goula 12/04/95 07:37pm >>> At 04:12 PM 12/4/95 -0600, you wrote: But enough about the cold. How about if you warm-to-hot weather riders tell us about how you equip yourselves to cope with the conditions? I mean, it's easy to put more gear on, but you can only take so much off! ; - ) Anyone with an air conditioner on their PC? >>> No air conditioner but some observations. I never could understand the concept of a convection oven until I rode a motorcycle in Arizona. I was always thinking of wind chill and that moving air would always cool. Not so! I find that when the air temperature is greater than body temperature, the convection oven effect kicks in. In this case, the warmth from the environment is driven into you as opposed from your body heat being blown away from you. The irony is that many people who have not experienced this first hand assume that wearing a helmet in high heat would be hotter. In truth it is much hotter with out the helmet since the helmet keeps the hot wind off of your head. Likewise, long pants and sleeves are cooler. All this is even more important after considering the possibility of sunburn. Sunburn can happen to fair, unprotected skin at noon on a summer day in just over 10 minutes. Sometimes, I use SPF 35 or higher which I refer to as liquid siding. with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 08:11:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 08:17:36 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas gauge -Reply >>> Mark J. Lucas 12/05/95 05:04am >>> Hummmmm, sounds like alot of work on the fuel tank. I just keep riding the thing and watching the gas guage. Haven't run it dry, yet, but I did put 3.8 gallons in it once. Hope that is as low as I ever get. >>> I just put 4.2+ gallons in my tank at the last fill up. Watch the gauge as I described in my previous post and watch the trip odometer. If you do similar types of riding (ie. commuting, or touring) often enough your experience should enable you to cut it very close. A liter bottle of fuel in the trunk (about 10 miles worth) can give you even greater confidence. ;-) Per Kent's experience of coasting (no pun intended) into gas stations. One time in a cage, I coasted into a gas station and right up to the pump. The attendant came out and told me that the pump was out of order and I would have to move to another island. I had to push the car. 06 Dec 1995 03:11:04 -0600 (CST) 06 Dec 1995 17:07:53 +0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:07:53 +0000 (WST) From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Years To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Out of curious, I noticed my service manual that it's for 89-90, 94-96. Are there a major difference between 89-90 94-96 & 91-93? Happy Pacific Coasting! -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # Yeh I got a real wing at rear * * * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike * * your obedient servant!" YAMA SR250 <-- Police junk * * * **************************************************************************** * Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. * **************************************************************************** by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 06 Dec 1995 02:14:49 -0600 (CST) by mail.pixi.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) with SMTP id WAA05397 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 1995 22:13:26 -1000 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 22:13:26 -1000 From: reap@pixi.com (Ronald E. Pacholec) Subject: Aloha Nui, Juan! To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hey Juan, >I bet most bikes in Hawaii are low mileage. How do they fare with the salt >air though? >Summer of '94 I saw a '94 PC with Hawaii plates. The guy had two or three >antennas >sticking out the back from under his cover. Must have been expensive to ship >it over here! >(or maybe those bolt on pontoons I keep hearing about) : - ) > Though I haven't had this PC for very long (since April) The salt doesn't seem to bother it much because of the total plastic covering. Most of us live within a mile or two of the surf, so we're in a constant salt aerosol. But the covering does seem to protect. When I had my other bike ('83 Sabre 750) here, the salt was much more of a problem because of all the exposed metal. Actually, on both bikes, the intense sun seems to be more of a problem,. But this is usually just on the cosmetic parts. You know, though it costs about $300-400 to ship back to the mainland, Hawaii is a great place for a second market on upscale vehicles. If there's not much salt damage, the miles are low, the speeds are low, and there aren't large swings of temperature. The prices on upper scale vehicles are also low compared to the mainland. When i got my PC I also bought a '77 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow, in mint condition with only 45K original miles on it. It was in storage for 15 years. Even with the shipping charges to the mainland, this place has a great second buyers market. >How would you rate the islands as far as quality/quantity of roads? The >only one >I've been on is Maui. Quantity of roads - there ain't much. We don't even have 60 miles of Interstate freeway (a real misnomer for here. You can't even go Interisland, much less Interstate!) Most islands have a road that goes around the island near the surf. Mostly undivided, one lane in each direction. In addition, there are some radial roads roads going from the surf inland, up the rises and mountains. The rises, even those above Honolulu, reach 1.5K-2K ft vertical over 1-2 mi horizontal. If you remember Maui, there are the coastal roads and the Wailuku - Kiehe road, with only a couple of roads going up Haleakala, and up the West Maui rises. They're in generally good condition, kinda like the back roads of Northern California. The speeds are mostly 35-45 on most of the roads. I can't roam lots of new back roads like I could in California, or as someone wrote on San Diego. So mostly I take the same roads and pass the same places, but it's as far from boring as it can possibly be. I find much more diversity and "newness" of experience along the same ol' Hawaii roads than I did exploring in Northern California. Though the geography's the same, the sky, clouds, and sunsets are all each unique. You see the same mountains, but the way the clouds scrape against them and fill the valley is different each day. The colors of the ocean change constantly, as well as the fragrances of the flowers. Even the feel of the air against the skin changes, sometimes cool and dry, sometimes warm, moist and salty, sometimes steamy. (Our ave. humidity is only in the 50's and 60's) Put an S.O. on the back of the bike and ride on the full moon along the windward coast, past the cliffs and lighthouses, and you're in HEAVEN! In fact, we're coming up on a full moon, so I'll go out for a ride tonight or tomorrow. Hawaii's almost like being in a foreign country (but you can drink the water). There is an indigenous language that's actually spoken and sung. Most of the street, road, and place names are in Hawaiian. (Kalanianaole and Kamehameha highways, Keamouku and Pu'uikena Street, Kapiolani Blvd.) This is the land of Aloha and pidgin, so "Mo betta yu come see Bro!" Aloha Nui, Ron reap@pixi.com by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380) 05 Dec 1995 20:59:22 -0600 (CST) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:57:57 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:57:57 -0800 From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Windshield Option To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Speeds under 65mph: My passenger will attest that a +4" Rifle was a big >improvement over the short stock '89 shield. She can . . . talk on the intercom in a normal voice. Bryce, this is good because????? :) I find the best thing about riding is the peace and quiet! (OK, so now Leanne's gonna kill me.... She just needs to get her own bike!) *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** 05 Dec 1995 21:17:06 -0600 (CST) id WAA13427 for pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu; Tue, 05 Dec 1995 22:15:41 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 22:15:41 -0500 From: HTBIII@aol.com Subject: Re: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu In a message dated 95-12-02 00:45:33 EST, Michael Keller wrote: >What about >the bar end weights? Did they interfere with installation? Nope. I use a hole saw to drill out the ends of the hot grips & they installed easy. Be careful to center the bit corretly so you don't cut the wires that run through the grips. It's not hard though (if I can do it...). Tom Byron (htbiii@aol.com) P.S: It looks like Juan handled it the same way, but with slightly more sophistication (he just answers his e-mail more quickly than I do): >Bar end weights are not a problem, I used a drill hole saw to cut a 7/8" hole out the >end of the grip (careful you don't cut into the resistance wires!) and a Dremel tool >to grind away the knobs from the plastic throttle liner. Other than that, fairly >strightforward. 05 Dec 1995 21:36:07 -0600 (CST) (jpalfery.atw.fullfeed.com [199.201.127.200]) by peter.atw.fullfeed.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA16522 for ; Tue, 05 Dec 1995 21:34:39 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 21:31:19 +0000 From: John Palfery Subject: RE: Gas gauge To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Priority: normal Comments: Authenticated sender is > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 08:51:10 -0900 (AKST) > From: "Juan A. Goula" > Subject: RE: Gas gauge > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > At 09:32 PM 12/4/95 -0600, you wrote: > > >Every PC that I've seen (pre-'94) also has a problem with the little > >cap that fits between the scoop you guys are talking about and the > >windscreen. The problem is where it meets the sides of the cowling > >just above the mirrors. It's supposed to wrap over the top of the > >cowling just outside the edge of the windscreen, but the outside > >edges just never quite hold. > >Yup! Mine too, you can play arround with it and get some improvement at the risk of cracking the hole where the attachment screw fits. John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com 05 Dec 1995 22:51:12 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 22:50:16 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Gas gauge (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Tue, 05 Dec 1995 16:16:49 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951205161649_45381450@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Dec 05 you wrote: > Hi Kent: > > >I ended up taking a solder iron and improving on the 'latch' design a bit. > > How about a few more details on your improvements. Sounds like a good idea, > but it could get expensive if I were to 'improve' things a bit too much in > the wrong direction. Just moved the plastic around a bit. There already is somewhat of a latch mechanism, but it's just too small to hold the plastic together under the stress it sees. I.e. Something's a bit too tight on the bike in that area. I've put the thing together about 5 different ways and I just can't see a way to relieve enough stress to keep the two together for very long. On the bottom part I pushed the top edge rearward and on the top part I 'scooped' a little bit out of the center of the bend and pushed it down. ------ ------ ------ | / / || \ \ \\ | | | | | | Orig. Mods Latched Make sure you don't goo too deep with the iron. I did and went through the thing. Quick thinking (and some hot fingers) made it so you have to look pretty close to see it though. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 06 Dec 1995 09:32:11 -0600 (CST) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 09:31:16 -0600 (CST) From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Years (from pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)) (at Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:07:53 +0000 (WST)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi VR2XVI (VR2XVI), in <9512060907.AA19147@hkuxa.hku.hk> on Dec 06 you wrote: > Out of curious, I noticed my service manual that it's for 89-90, 94-96. > Are there a major difference between 89-90 94-96 & 91-93? For one, the 91-93 manual would have a lot of blank pages since there were no PCs made during that timeframe. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com Date: 6 Dec 95 08:57:00 -0600 To: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Years The significant differences were between the 89 and 90 model years. Approximately 60 different changes. The 94, 95 & 96 models are esentially the same as the 90 except for color. David ===================================== Apparently-To: RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com Out of curious, I noticed my service manual that it's for 89-90, 94-96. Are there a major difference between 89-90 94-96 & 91-93? Happy Pacific Coasting! -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # Yeh I got a real wing at rear * * * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike * * your obedient servant!" YAMA SR250 <-- Police junk * * * **************************************************************************** * Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. * **************************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com Date: 6 Dec 95 09:03:00 -0600 To: slgross@halcyon.com, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Windshield Option The ads have the hieghts stated in overall hieght. Which one is the +2 and +4? Apparently-To: RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com >Speeds under 65mph: My passenger will attest that a +4" Rifle was a big >improvement over the short stock '89 shield. She can . . . talk on the intercom in a normal voice. Bryce, this is good because????? :) I find the best thing about riding is the peace and quiet! (OK, so now Leanne's gonna kill me.... She just needs to get her own bike!) *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 11:26:24 est From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Kent_Polk)_kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Gas gauge ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 12/06/95 11:30 ## Yours must not have been too far off for the plastic to withstand the pressure created by the "latch". What's frustrating about the whole thing is Honda only had to lengthen the garnish a minute amount to make it work. Thanks for the tip. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Kent Polk) kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 12/05/95 22:50 ## Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951205161649_45381450@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Dec 05 you wrote: > Hi Kent: > > >I ended up taking a solder iron and improving on the 'latch' design a bit. > > How about a few more details on your improvements. Sounds like a good idea, > but it could get expensive if I were to 'improve' things a bit too much in > the wrong direction. Just moved the plastic around a bit. There already is somewhat of a latch mechanism, but it's just too small to hold the plastic together under the stress it sees. I.e. Something's a bit too tight on the bike in that area. I've put the thing together about 5 different ways and I just can't see a way to relieve enough stress to keep the two together for very long. On the bottom part I pushed the top edge rearward and on the top part I 'scooped' a little bit out of the center of the bend and pushed it down. ------ ------ ------ | / / || \ \ \\ | | | | | | Orig. Mods Latched Make sure you don't goo too deep with the iron. I did and went through the thing. Quick thinking (and some hot fingers) made it so you have to look pretty close to see it though. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:00:02 +0000 Subject: Re: Years Priority: normal On Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:07:53 +0000 (WST) pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk wrote > Out of curious, I noticed my service manual that it's for 89-90, 94-96. > Are there a major difference between 89-90 94-96 & 91-93? Don't think they imported the PC into the USA 91-93, think that's the only reason for the manual date coverage. There may be some differences between 89-90 models and 94-96 models though. I don't know what the difference are. John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:10:53 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Hot weather riding---was Re: PC800 at -30F -Reply At 08:04 AM 12/6/95 -0700, you wrote: > >>>> Juan A. Goula 12/04/95 07:37pm >>> >All this is even more important after considering the possibility of >sunburn. Sunburn can happen to fair, unprotected skin at noon on a >summer day in just over 10 minutes. Sometimes, I use SPF 35 or higher >which I refer to as liquid siding. All very true, will have to keep it in mind for next summer's ride. Liquid siding... I like the term! : - ) ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:17:14 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Years At 05:07 PM 12/6/95 +0000, you wrote: >Out of curious, I noticed my service manual that it's for 89-90, 94-96. >Are there a major difference between 89-90 94-96 & 91-93? Honda claims that between '89 and '90 there were over 90 minor diferences. I have noticed a few between Cory's ('89) and mine ('90). Nothing major. Between '90 and '96 all that has changed are the colors -and the price! : - O '91 through '93 the bike was not sold in the US. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:17:14 +0000 Subject: Re: coolant removal Priority: normal > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 1995 18:26:34 -0800 > From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) > Here's another hint for coolant change-out -- Let the Honda service guys do > it :) Now Steve ! Where's the fun in THAT?? John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:12:12 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: Spencer Farrow Subject: Re: Years Hi Gang - I know that one of the (relatively minor) differences between the '89 (white) and '90 (red) PC's, other than color, was that some of the fairing attachments were improved. (More of 'em, I believe.) There are a couple other changes, which I cannot recall....... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow '86 Concours - The Grey Ghost COG # 2014 AMA # 606675 sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:26:39 +0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: paledet@cln.etc.bc.ca (paul ledet) Subject: Re: removal I am finding that I am getting overloaded as well. Please forward to my email or onto the list the instructions for unsubscribing. ***************************** * R. Paul Ledet * * Stelly's Secondary School * * Brentwood Bay B.C. * *paledet@cl.etc.bc.ca * ***************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:18:17 -0500 From: Dentman711@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Why didn't Honda make the PC in 91-93? Just trying to catch up with the Jonses. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:39:57 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Why didn't Honda make the PC in 91-93? At 07:18 PM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote: >Just trying to catch up with the Jonses. Hard to believe, but... nobody wanted the things! Weird (then) styling and an outrageous price kept buyers away. Honda realized they goofed and stopped US sales. Then dealers started discounting them and more people found out what a wonderful bike the PC really is. Now that more are selling Honda believes that the '96 $8,699.00 asking price must be a fair deal. = : - O Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:50:32 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: PC800 at -30F >Yep. A leather jacket with a light cotton long-sleeved shirt. >I.e. a portable swamp cooler. Works great unless you're riding >in 100% humidity 110+ degrees, such as Del Rio, Texas often has. :^( >I've ridden in 120 degrees bundled up that way and stayed a lot >more comfortable than sitting under a shade tree at those temps. >Of course, part of what makes the A/C work is to make sure you >stay mentally relaxed. :^) Say Kent, how does the T-shit become a swamp? Do you wet actively, with water, or passively, with sweat? (yuk!) : - ) Summer of '94 I rode with a friend in NoCal, SF area and north, during the heat wave they had back then. We were supposed to go to Steamboat Springs for the Rider Rally but decided against it when the temperature rose to 105F 30 miles inland (I know, I know, what a pair of wimps. Hey, we're from Alaska, remember?). Instead we stuck to the (relatively) cool coastline. That trip was a blast! Anyway, my then new jacket was the first one I had owned that was equiped with cooling vents. Now I'll never buy one with out them, even if they are about 40% effective behind the PC fairing. Coupled with a wet shirt (yes, water) it made the trip quite enjoyable. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- 06 Dec 1995 17:09:32 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:06:03 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Loud shifting noise (oil viscosity?) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu I have a complaint (albiet minor) about the PC800 :-). The shifting is too noisy! I like a small 'snick' or even a 'clunk' but the PC800 kinda clatters when I shift. This happens when I upshift especially. I suspect my oil viscosity but wanted to check with the experts :-). I'm using 10-W-40 made for motorcycles. Since I only ride when it is between 40-90 degrees F, perhaps I should be using a heavier oil? | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | 06 Dec 1995 17:16:17 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:12:48 -0700 From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: SAENG Stealth Edging To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >> will give another inch or two of smooth air up top, I would give it a try. >> What is the concensus? Is it worth the $1/inch or whatever they're asking >> for it now? I've become so used to my edging that I don't want to take it off to check the difference. It will not remove all the noise (your mileage may vary). I've heard from someone who did remove the edging and put it right back on :-). I guess I'm more frustrated by my helmet design that is quieter (by a LOT) when the face shield is up rather than down! | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:28:38 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Island motoring Hello Ron, At 10:13 PM 12/5/95 -1000, you wrote: >Though I haven't had this PC for very long (since April) The salt doesn't >seem to bother it much because of the total plastic covering. Most of us >live within a mile or two of the surf, so we're in a constant salt aerosol. >But the covering does seem to protect. When I had my other bike ('83 >Sabre 750) here, the salt was much more of a problem because of all the >exposed metal. I though there might be some concern about the bodywork doing more hiding than protecting, but from waht you say it may not be as bad as I think. >Actually, on both bikes, the intense sun seems to be more >of a problem,. But this is usually just on the cosmetic parts. Ha! Yet another advantage of living at high latitudes. Sun isn't much of a problem, for the three whole months you have to worry about it. : - ) >You know, >though it costs about $300-400 to ship back to the mainland, Hawaii is a >great place for a second market on upscale vehicles. That's cheap. I would have to pay 600 to 1000 to ship my bike down to Seattle, and that's by barge! >... there aren't large swings of temperature... Good point. >Quantity of roads - there ain't much. We don't even have 60 miles of >Interstate freeway (a real misnomer for here. You can't even go >Interisland, much less Interstate!) Is there an inter-island ferry? ... If you remember >Maui, there are the coastal roads and the Wailuku - Kiehe road, Yes, the amount of traffic drove me nuts! Fortunately the scenery keeps you entretained : - ) >couple of roads going up Haleakala I would love to try this one on the PC, and the road to Hana on a dual-sport. >I can't roam lots of new back roads like I could in California, or >as someone wrote on San Diego. So mostly I take the same roads and pass >the same places, but it's as far from boring as it can possibly be. I find >much more diversity and "newness" of experience along the same ol' Hawaii >roads... Sounds like Hawaii and Alaska have a few things in common. We do not have many roads here (heck, not even _one_ interstate!) and we are also quite isolated. We do at least have the option of driving out of here if needed (or desired). Not sure if I could live in a place where that was not an option. >Put an S.O. on the back of the bike and ride on the full moon along >the windward coast, past the cliffs and lighthouses, and you're in >HEAVEN! In fact, we're coming up on a full moon, so I'll go out for >a ride tonight or tomorrow. Sounds like fun! > This is the land of Aloha and pidgin, so "Mo betta yu come see Bro!" Soon as I can afford it Ron, soon as I can afford it... > Aloha Nui, > >Ron Same to you Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:35:53 -0900 (AKST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Loud shifting noise (oil viscosity?) At 05:06 PM 12/6/95 -0700, you wrote: >I have a complaint (albiet minor) about the PC800 :-). The shifting is too >noisy! I like a small 'snick' or even a 'clunk' but the PC800 kinda >clatters when I shift. This happens when I upshift especially. Could it be that the bodywork is acting like a sound box, amplifying everything? >I suspect my oil viscosity but wanted to check with the experts :-). I'm >using 10-W-40 made for motorcycles. Since I only ride when it is between >40-90 degrees F, perhaps I should be using a heavier oil? I use 15W50 with no complaints, even at below 40F rides (it is synthetic though) Lots of people comment on how Golden Spectro oil improves the behaviour of gearboxes. Might want to give that a try. Good luck. Juan ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is a well known fact that Alaskans do not tan. Instead, they just thaw... Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ----------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:37:22 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Gas gauge In a message dated 95-12-05 10:15:27 EST, you write: >That still gives me a 10+ mile >reserve. Plenty of time to look for a station under normal circumstances. > > Not out here in the country !!!! Wes St.Onge RETREADNY@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: Years To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 10:26:42 WST > For one, the 91-93 manual would have a lot of blank pages since > there were no PCs made during that timeframe. Not actually, I saw a '92 PC800 (Japanese domestic model) here in Hong Kong, metallic grey/silver bottom, with different decal on front lower fairing, instead of "HONDA", it adds small characters "SPORT TOURER" below. And, all warning stickers are in Japanese. -- **************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * VR2XVI <-- HAM Gold Wing Aspencade * * PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone * * Aux. Police '90 HONDA PC800 red <-- Little Wing * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # Yeh I got a real wing at rear * * * * Police Training School taught : HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike * * your obedient servant!" YAMA SR250 <-- Police junk * *