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Date: 01 Nov 95 13:00:09 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks

>>Thanks for all the replies on the Corbin seat.  I think you have convinced me;
>>all I have to do now is convince my wife that is what I need for Christmas
>>along with a Rifle windshield of course! <g>

>. . .  _and_ an Aerostich riding suit!  %>

I actually decided to go with a Motoport Ultra Trek Cordura Suit.  They use an
Ultra 1000 denier cordura vs. the 500 that Aerostich uses.  The suit has a 
removable Gotex lining so that it will be cooler when it is not raining than
the Aerostich and includes removable body armor system that is very nice.  
I compared the two suits, and I felt that the Motoport was a better suit.

I bought the suit with the bike, I figured that my personal protection was 
more important than the add on items like the seat and windshield.  I'll get
those a little later.

Rusty


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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 22:27:34 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks

>>>Thanks for all the replies on the Corbin seat.  I think you have
convinced me;
>>>all I have to do now is convince my wife that is what I need for Christmas
>>>along with a Rifle windshield of course! <g>
>
>>. . .  _and_ an Aerostich riding suit!  %>
>
>I actually decided to go with a Motoport Ultra Trek Cordura Suit.  They use an
>Ultra 1000 denier cordura vs. the 500 that Aerostich uses.  The suit has a 


SO, If I may ask,  what's the $$$ for the motoport?
***
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:27:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat

On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 RETREADNY@aol.com wrote:

> Jlai
> 
> Bottom of your what?
> 

The heart of my bottom...a joke...get it?  :)

Our last ride to San Fran left us (my wife and I) thinking about our butts
the whole time.  With the great reviews here, I had to jump on the deal. 
We're planning a ride to Arizona this winter.  Someone told me that it snows
there.  Is that true? If so, then maybe we'll have to stay nearby in So. Cal. 
A visit to the Hoover maybe nice, too.  I dunno. 

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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 12:56:44 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: AZ visit

It does snow in parts of Arizona.  Mainly in the high country to the north
and eastern parts of the state.  It can get cold at the Grand Canyon and it
can snow there as the altitudes are roughly 5000 and 7000 feet at the
south and north rims respectively.  There are ski slopes in the Flagstaff
area on the slopes of the San Fransico Peaks which exceed 12000 feet. 

Here in Phoenix, it seldom gets cold enough to snow.  Hell, *rain* is
extremely unlikely.  There is more of a possibility of rain in July-August
and then again in December-January.   Total rainfall for the year is often
around 7-12 inces and that often comes in a few downpours of 1 to 2
inches.  

Arizona and nearby parts of Utah offer some dramatic scenery and
great roads.  I can make recommendations if you're interested.  If you are
in the Phoenix area (give or take a few hundred miles), drop me a line
and we can do a face-to-face.  If you are looking for accomodations, we
have a spare room which we would be happy to share. 

That goes for any of you (but not all at once)!



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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:56:05 -0500
From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks
Steve: 

In a message dated 95-11-02 01:32:13 EST, you write:

>SO, If I may ask,  what's the $$$ for the motoport?

I'm not sure whether I have the latest catelog or not, but the Ultra Trek
Cordura suit lists at $599 without the liner.  The liner is another $169.  

Note: they also make a two-piece suit called the Ultra II.  The Jacket is
$329, again without the liner.  The Jacket liner is another $99.  The pants
are $199.  The pants liner is another $69

All come in Red, Blue or Black and sizes XXS - XXXL.  Custom sizing and
colors are also available at extra cost.

Hope this helps.

JT 



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Date: 03 Nov 95 03:04:32 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: PC800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks

>>I actually decided to go with a Motoport Ultra Trek Cordura Suit.  They use an
>>Ultra 1000 denier cordura vs. the 500 that Aerostich uses.  The suit has a 

>SO, If I may ask,  what's the $$$ for the motoport?

It is $599 for the suit and $169 for Gortex/Thermolite lining.  I ordered only the
suit at this time because I live in S. California and we just don't get much rain
here.  They make a Kevlar version of the suit, but it is $899 and according to
what I have read about the Kevlar mix of Kevlar, Lyca and Nylon, you really don't
have much advantage if any over cordura at that point, but you still have to
pay a lot more for the Kevlar.

Rusty


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Date: 03 Nov 95 03:07:55 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
Cc: PC800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: AZ visit

Neill,

  Where did you get your air horns for your bike?  I saw the picture of them on
the web and they look very useful for heavy traffic?

Thanks,
Rusty


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 03 Nov 1995 09:16:02 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 09:12:56 -0600
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: AZ visit
 (from Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>)
 (at Fri, 03 Nov 1995 03:07:55 -0500 (EST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Russell (Russell Jackson), in <951103080754_73370.1672_HHS35-2@CompuServe.COM> on Nov 03 you wrote:

> Neill,
> 
>   Where did you get your air horns for your bike?  I saw the picture of them on
> the web and they look very useful for heavy traffic?

If you are talking about the picture labeled "Kent's Airhorns", that's
my bike and I think I bought the airhorns from Western Auto for about
$25 or $30 from what I remember. As I've mentioned before, I moved my 
old electric 110db 'diaphram' horns down inside the front crashbar
protectors and pointed them to the side which provides a very effective
deterrent when being approached from the side. I wired the things so 
I can switch off the airhorns when I don't want to scare the pants off
of everyone in the vicinity. Does that provide a vivid enough picture
of how well they operate? :^)  I installed them because I got tired of
being ignored even when using the fairly effective 110db horns. I don't
get ignored anymore...

BTW, looking at the picture you can still see the original factory
horn in place. It wasn't in the way of anything so I just left it 
there, but it isn't hooked up to anything.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: 03 Nov 95 20:38:43 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: AZ visit

>BTW, looking at the picture you can still see the original factory
>horn in place. It wasn't in the way of anything so I just left it 
>there, but it isn't hooked up to anything.

Thanks Kent, I'll check the local Auto store this weekend and see 
what I can find.

Rusty



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Date:     Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:09 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: '89 PC Helmets

I have a virtually new, worn by one of the kids 4 or 5 times, HondaLine
'89 Pacific Coast-matching helmet.  Size:  Medium.  We always use a "head
sock" or helmet liner, so it is just like new inside.  The shell has no
scratches nor does the face shield.  It was made by Nolan for Honda and is
very pretty and looks great with the PC.  It's always been kept in a bag
when not in use, so there shouldn't even be any UV deterioration.  I've
ridden more than 20k+ miles in it's brother.  It's been very comfortable,
not too hot (the vents work well), and not very noisy.  I'd like to get
$100 OBO for it.  If someone really wanted a matched pair, I'd let the 
other one go for best offer.  It's, also never been on a bare head, but 
has a couple of scratches and has probably pretty well form-fitted itself
to my gourd.  I'll even pay shipping!

E-mail me direct at: estescs_at_mobile@ccgate.eielson.af.mil

Later......
Cory

From owner-pc800  Sun Nov  5 09:12:39 1995

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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 10:12:36 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rick Fisher signes on

Hello everyone
I just found this list and was really excited to find our humble little bike
had it's very own list. Wow!
Any way here are my vital signs

Name: Rick Fisher
Location: Huntsville,Alabama
Email: Dentman711@AOL.COM
PC Model year (if you have one): 1995
Bought Used/New: Used with 5900 miles and nary a scratch
Modifications made to bike: Foam grips, fish eye mirror on left mirror.
I will probably add some type of communications device, a back rest, and one
of those really KOOL wings that where optional on the 1989 models.



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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:22:47 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: Rick Fisher signes on

>Hello everyone
>I just found this list and was really excited to find our humble little bike
>had it's very own list. Wow!
>Any way here are my vital signs
>
>Name: Rick Fisher
>Location: Huntsville,Alabama
>Email: Dentman711@AOL.COM
>PC Model year (if you have one): 1995
>Bought Used/New: Used with 5900 miles and nary a scratch
>Modifications made to bike: Foam grips, fish eye mirror on left mirror.
>I will probably add some type of communications device, a back rest, and one
>of those really KOOL wings that where optional on the 1989 models.

welcome fisher man


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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 23:02:13 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Rick Fisher signes on

Welcome, Rick!

Spent a few months in Enterprise.  Can't say as I miss it!


>Name: Rick Fisher
>Location: Huntsville,Alabama
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 19:23 CST
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: mik@mail.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey)
Subject: PC-800 Info

Dear Pacific Coast riders,

Currently I am considering the purchase of either a '96 Pacific Coast, a '95
BMW K75RT.  I like the Pacific Coast in every way, except I think I won't
have enough baggage space when carrying two up.  I was wondering if a
luggage rack and radio were available for the Pacific Coast?  Any one have
any experience with the K75 as compared to the PC800.

I live in Sioux Falls, SD, and my dealer has the '96 on the show room floor.
The price between a '95 and '96 appears to be about $900.  Is anyone aware
of a '95 in a crate anywhere?

I would appreaciate any information that can be provided.  My address is
mik@dakota.net

Thank You!



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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:00:25 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: PC800 vs. K75RT

At 07:23 PM 11/6/95 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear Pacific Coast riders,
>
>Currently I am considering the purchase of either a '96 Pacific Coast, a '95
>BMW K75RT.  I like the Pacific Coast in every way, except I think I won't
>have enough baggage space when carrying two up.  I was wondering if a
>luggage rack and radio were available for the Pacific Coast?  Any one have
>any experience with the K75 as compared to the PC800.

Givi (sp?) luggage systems has a (large) removable tour box that fits on
their rack, designed for the PC.   I've been thinking about getting one
myself.  As far as radios, Honda doesn't  offer the one for the PC anymore,
so you'll have to come up with your own solution.  Currently  Cory and I are
working on a tank bag mounted version, will post as we progress.

I've ridden a standard K75.  The only thing I liked about that bike was the
engine.  Ergos and handling positively suck compared to the PC (YMMV).  You
might be able to get a '94 and save even more!  (no changes between models,
except color and price between '95 and '96).
 Plus, as expensive as PC's have become, they are still quite a bit cheaper
than the K75 RT. And I believe they both have the three year, unlimited mile
warranty.

Good luck!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:16:12 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: '89 PC800 for Sale

I loved my PC, it always generated a lot of interest from other riders and
the general public but I also lusted after a GoldWing, and having found and
purchased a used low-mileage GL1200, I now need to sell my beloved '89 PC.  

'89 PC800.  White. 38,000 miles.  Oil and Filters changed religiously every
3000 mi.
  Will need tires soon.  Has factory seat with passenger backrest. Foam hand
grips. Had the tall windshield, but I am not, so have cut it down to allow me
to look over it. Has not been crashed, but I have tipped it over resulting in
a ding to the right hand mirror, a small crack in the right front upper
cowling, and a dent in the right hand muffler heat shield (from a stone).  
  Mechanically it is great except for the choke button.  The 'nut' at the
choke button attachment point which is made of Nylon has broken, so you need
to use a tool (the key works just fine) to pull the choke on.  The part is
about $ 45, and since the PC is quite warm blooded (requiring choking only on
the first start of the day), I decided not to fix it.

I am asking $4200, OBO, and might include in the final deal, a Hein Gericke
TKO jacket size large, color grey to match the seat .... 

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@AOL.COM


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From: Mark Guenther <guenther@berger.com>
To: "'pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: PC-800 Info
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:24:49 -0700


I am a member of the Honda Sports Touring Association, and a PC800 =
owner.  The HSTA has a significant contingent of PC800's.  At the annual =
rally in Avon, Colorado this past June, I saw several PC800's with a =
very roomy Backrest/Luggage compartment - somewhat akin to the rear =
luggage on a Goldwing.  If you wish, I could get a list and forward to =
you.  The has a much stiffer chassis, and feels like a higher center of =
gravity - or higher seating position.  Struck me as a "better" bike - =
but much more expensive.

Have you any knowledge of a driver's backrest from a company by the name =
of "Utopia?"

----------

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From: 	Mike Dempsey[SMTP:mik@mail.dakota.net]
Sent: 	Monday, November 06, 1995 12:23 PM
To: 	pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: 	PC-800 Info

Dear Pacific Coast riders,

Currently I am considering the purchase of either a '96 Pacific Coast, a =
'95
BMW K75RT.  I like the Pacific Coast in every way, except I think I =
won't
have enough baggage space when carrying two up.  I was wondering if a
luggage rack and radio were available for the Pacific Coast?  Any one =
have
any experience with the K75 as compared to the PC800.

I live in Sioux Falls, SD, and my dealer has the '96 on the show room =
floor.
The price between a '95 and '96 appears to be about $900.  Is anyone =
aware
of a '95 in a crate anywhere?

I would appreaciate any information that can be provided.  My address is
mik@dakota.net

Thank You!






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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:27:51 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Tar crack over-filling

At our monthly Retread breakfast meeting the topic of excessive application
of tar to cracks in the road was brought up.  The member told of a couple who
were unfortunate enough to put their brand new Goldwing down because of the
slippery condition caused by the tar.  They were ticketed for failure to
control their vehicle and paid a $ 50 fine.  The member went on to say that
you should not pay such a fine, because  a class action suit is in process
 ....  I personally would want something concrete before I went so
far as to plead not-guilty in some out of state jurisdiction. So .... does
anyone know anything more about
this ?


Wes St.Onge

Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:15:10 +0000
Subject:       Re: PC-800 Info
Priority: normal

> Date:          Mon, 06 Nov 1995 19:23 -0600 (CST)
> From:          mik@server1.dakota.net (Mike Dempsey)
> Subject:       PC-800 Info
> To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> Dear Pacific Coast riders,
> 
> Currently I am considering the purchase of either a '96 Pacific Coast, a '95
> BMW K75RT.  I like the Pacific Coast in every way, except I think I won't
> have enough baggage space when carrying two up.  I was wondering if a
> luggage rack and radio were available for the Pacific Coast?  Any one have
> any experience with the K75 as compared to the PC800.
> 
> I live in Sioux Falls, SD, and my dealer has the '96 on the show room floor.
> The price between a '95 and '96 appears to be about $900.  Is anyone aware
> of a '95 in a crate anywhere?

New 95 available at Mike's Cycle Honda dealer in Menasha WI.
Tel (414) 734 3363
1114 Valley Road, Menasha WI. 54915

> 
> I would appreaciate any information that can be provided.  My address is
> mik@dakota.net
> 
> Thank You!
> 
> 
> 
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:07:23 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: Tar crack over-filling

>At our monthly Retread breakfast meeting the topic of excessive application
>of tar to cracks in the road was brought up.  The member told of a couple who
>were unfortunate enough to put their brand new Goldwing down because of the
>slippery condition caused by the tar.  They were ticketed for failure to
>control their vehicle and paid a $ 50 fine.  The member went on to say that
>you should not pay such a fine, because  a class action suit is in process
> ....  I personally would want something concrete before I went so
>far as to plead not-guilty in some out of state jurisdiction. So .... does
>anyone know anything more about
>this ?
>
>
>Wes St.Onge

the recent AMA journal (November 1995) had an article about this very thing
look at it !

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voice: 610-259-9861 (h)                                     ~
         610-853-5900 x3978   fax:   610-789-1445
'93 PC-800  DoD # 8119  AMA#3425444

Limits set the conditions of survival...
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within everything is the seed of its apparent contradiction...       ~
so survival conditions the limits set.
Maybe a metaphor would help?                                                   ~
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   Tue, 07 Nov 95 10:28:03 EST

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 10:26:21 EST
From: W.Michael DiTullio@VNET.IBM.COM
To: PC800@SINA.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tar crack over-filling
News-Software: UReply 3.1

In a previous message, you wrote:
>from: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
>Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
>
>At our monthly Retread breakfast meeting the topic of excessive application
>of tar to cracks in the road was brought up.  The member told of a couple who
>were unfortunate enough to put their brand new Goldwing down because of the
>slippery condition caused by the tar.  They were ticketed for failure to
>control their vehicle and paid a $ 50 fine.  The member went on to say that
>you should not pay such a fine, because  a class action suit is in process
> ....  I personally would want something concrete before I went so
>far as to plead not-guilty in some out of state jurisdiction. So .... does
>anyone know anything more about
>this ?
>
>
>Wes St.Onge

There's an article in the latest AMA about tar filling strips. There are stds
they are suppose to follow but obviously don't. I also heard about a class
action suit on this but can't remember were.
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 10:21:48 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (Mike_Dempsey)_mik@server1.dakota.net
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: PC-800 Info                                       


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/07/95 10:22 ##
Mike, your message implies the K75RT has more luggage capacity than a 
PC.  No way.  From one who has taken many long distance, long term 
two-up trips on the PC you can carry all you "need" on the PC.  My 
PCs have a Hondaline backrest (Givi makes a luggage rack, I believe.  
But butt ugly unless you feel the need for a trunk box.).  I use a 
piece of sheepskin as a luggage rack that has a stretch cord loop 
that goes around the backrest to hold it in place.  Then I put a 
30"X12" duffel bag on the "rack" and secure it to the grab rails with 
a few 24" bungee cords.  I also use a tankbag.  Many kmiles with this 
setup and the paint on both luggage areas show no evidence of how 
they are used.  The duffel approach is quite flexible and is easy off.
We can't take the proverbial kitchen sink but we can take some pans 
and utensils.
Your Honda dealer should be able to locate any existing '95PCs, be 
they in warehouses or at dealer.  I checked with my dealer where I 
found one in a crate in July but he has sold the rest.  I got my 
backrest from him via mailorder for $120.  Cycle Design (508)249-2244
or fax (508)249-2109.  Ask for Doug.  Tell him I sent you.


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From: (Mike Dempsey) mik@server1.dakota.net:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/06/95 19:23 ##
Dear Pacific Coast riders,

Currently I am considering the purchase of either a '96 Pacific Coast, a '95
BMW K75RT.  I like the Pacific Coast in every way, except I think I won't
have enough baggage space when carrying two up.  I was wondering if a
luggage rack and radio were available for the Pacific Coast?  Any one have




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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:32:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 vs. K75RT

On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Juan A. Goula wrote:

> Givi (sp?) luggage systems has a (large) removable tour box that fits on
> their rack, designed for the PC.   I've been thinking about getting one
> myself.  As far as radios, Honda doesn't  offer the one for the PC anymore,
> so you'll have to come up with your own solution.  Currently  Cory and I are
> working on a tank bag mounted version, will post as we progress.
> 
> I've ridden a standard K75.  The only thing I liked about that bike was the
> engine.  Ergos and handling positively suck compared to the PC (YMMV).  You
> might be able to get a '94 and save even more!  (no changes between models,
> except color and price between '95 and '96).
>  Plus, as expensive as PC's have become, they are still quite a bit cheaper
> than the K75 RT. And I believe they both have the three year, unlimited mile
> warranty.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Juan

Hey Juan,

Do you happen to have Givi's phone number?  I'd like to take a look at 
what it looks like if they have a catalog.  Thanks!

=========================================================================
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Unix Systems Admin               Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com
Engineering Services                Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard
FileNet Corporation                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:57:03 -0600
          Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:56:42 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: PC800 vs. K75RT

>Do you happen to have Givi's phone number?  I'd like to take a look at 
>what it looks like if they have a catalog.  Thanks!
>


ME  ALSO!!!

WALDO
GSU



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From: Mark Guenther <guenther@berger.com>
To: "'pc800@hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Driver Backrest
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:45:22 -0700

I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company named =
"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can =
contact them?

   Tue, 07 Nov 95 15:50:30 EST

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 15:48:45 EST
From: "Mike DiTullio Loral FSC (609-485-7828)" <ditullio@VNET.IBM.COM>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Givi bags

Givi bags can be obtained from:
Capital Cycle in Ashburn, VA at 800-642-5100

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|ditullio@lfs.loral.com        |thousands of them to donate...ask me.  |
|spazman@ix.netcom.com         |  Atlantic City, NJ                    |
|                              |  87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100     |
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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 17:11:46
From: WKern@gnn.com (Walter Kern)
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Tall Windshield

I have a HondaLine tall windshield for my PC. I've been trying to 
get another one for my wife's PC. I put the order in today but am 
told that Honda can't deliver it till after the first of the year. 
Does anyone know a local dealer anywhere who might have one in 
stock or does anyone know a better after market tall windshield 
that I can get? We ride all winter in the Polar Bear MC and need to 
have the tall windshield.




 07 Nov 1995 17:10:22 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 17:07:12 -0800
From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain)
Subject: Re: Driver Backrest
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

>I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company named
>>"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can
>contact >them?

Please, PLEASE!  This is wonderful news if true!  Publish the address/phone
number :-).  I've been looking for a solution since I bought my PC :-).

 |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
 |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
 |    EDS Unigraphics         | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com  |
 |    Cypress, CA  90630      |     UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain |




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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Driver Backrest
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 9:56:02 WST
  

> >I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company named
> >>"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can
> >contact >them?
  
> Please, PLEASE!  This is wonderful news if true!  Publish the address/phone
> number :-).  I've been looking for a solution since I bought my PC :-).
 
I do remember they put some ads. on the Wing World Magazine, gimme some time. 


-- 
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  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
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  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:58:20 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Driver Backrest

I have seen such an animal, and it is not a pretty sight.  If it is the same
one I saw, it bolts straight through the passenger seat cushion, with four
bolts (= four holes) and the base plate mashes down (approx) a 20 sq. inch
area of the seat .  Ugh!    Woudn't want to get one for mine  ( lean forward
anyway, so it would be worthless).  Good luck to those who want one, though.


At 05:07 PM 11/7/95 -0800, you wrote:
>>I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company named
>>>"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can
>>contact >them?
>
>Please, PLEASE!  This is wonderful news if true!  Publish the address/phone
>number :-).  I've been looking for a solution since I bought my PC :-).
>
> |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
> |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
> |    EDS Unigraphics         | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com  |
> |    Cypress, CA  90630      |     UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain |
>
>
>
>
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:28:20 -0500
From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 vs. K75RT

In a message dated 95-11-06 21:05:32 EST, you write:

>Any one have any experience with the K75 as compared to the PC800.

I've ridden both, and I think the PC is significantly better in every way
except for its lack of antilock brakes.  

I don't ride two up very often (Diane has her own PC, and we both like it
that way), but if I did, I probably wouldn't pick either one of these
machines.  Neither of them does a really good job of providing wind
protection for the passenger.  If you're going to carry a passenger
routinely, the big tour boats are really the only way to go for the
passenger's comfort.  I'd shop around for a clean used Wing or whatever.

JT




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 03:09:58 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Re: Driver Backrest

On Wed, Nov 8, 1995 9:56:02 AM  at VR2XVI wrote: 
 
> 
>> >I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company named

>> >>"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can 
>> >contact >them? 
>   
>> Please, PLEASE!  This is wonderful news if true!  Publish the
address/phone 
>> number :-).  I've been looking for a solution since I bought my PC :-). 
>  
>I do remember they put some ads. on the Wing World Magazine, gimme some
time.  
 
 
I thought I once saw a Corbin backrest (about 6") on a Corbin seat that
slid forward on adjustable rails from the passenger to the driver postion,
but maybe I hallucinated :-)  In any case, it would provide *some* lumbar
support, but not enough to sit back Cruiser-sttle. 
 
- Jeff


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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 03:23:46 -0800
From: lucas.m@ix.netcom.com (Mark J. Lucas )
Subject: Utopia Address
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I replied to the original poster last night and thought it was going to 
the list, but I guess not.  Here's my reply....

>I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company 
named =
>"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can =
>contact them?
>
Utopia Saddles
643 Holmes Ave.
Barberton, Ohio  44203
216/666-2602

Courtesy of Motorcycle Consumer News, February 1993


-- 
                     Ride in peace, Mark
                    lucas.m@ix.netcom.com
                DoD# 1827           AMA# 697583	
'84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast




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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 06:42:10 -0600
          Wed, 8 Nov 1995 7:41:47 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tall Windshield

At 05:11 PM 11/7/95 +0000, you wrote:
>I have a HondaLine tall windshield for my PC. I've been trying to 
>get another one for my wife's PC. I put the order in today but am 
>told that Honda can't deliver it till after the first of the year. 
>Does anyone know a local dealer anywhere who might have one in 
>stock or does anyone know a better after market tall windshield 
>that I can get? We ride all winter in the Polar Bear MC and need to 
>have the tall windshield.
>
>
RIFLE makes a much better windshield system for the PC than Honda.
Call 1-800-262-1237 and they will send you a catolog and tell you about
their product.  You can also find RIFLE on the web under MOTORCYCLE ONLINE.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:28:57 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tall Windshield

I just installed a +4 Rifle on my '95, and I'm quite happy with it so far
(except for some difficulties with the installation--a notch for one of the
bolts was in the wrong place, so I had to enlarge it). Just in time for the
cold weather here in Boston. 

Bike is now much quieter at speed, though I still catch the airstream on the
top of my helmet. Much better than catching it full in the face shield. Also,
it doesn't look dorky, as I feared it might.

I have to wonder if maybe I would have been better off with the +6 shield,
although then I would then have to look through the shield almost all the
time. Thinking about adding my old Saeng edging along the top as one of the
Alaskans reported doing (sorry Cory and Juan--I seem to lump you two together
mentally). 

Jeff


<<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.>>


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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:31:54 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Tall Windshield

At 11:28 AM 11/8/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I just installed a +4 Rifle on my '95, and I'm quite happy with it so far
>(except for some difficulties with the installation--a notch for one of the
>bolts was in the wrong place, so I had to enlarge it).

Sounds familiar.  I thought they might have fixed that glitch by now.

>Bike is now much quieter at speed, though I still catch the airstream on the
>top of my helmet. Much better than catching it full in the face shield. Also,
>it doesn't look dorky, as I feared it might.

No, it doesn't look dorky, but it does look different (good different).

>Thinking about adding my old Saeng edging along the top as one of the
>Alaskans reported doing (sorry Cory and Juan--I seem to lump you two together
>mentally). 

No problem Jeff.  It is our cross to bear.  : - )

Go ahead and try it, it really works. Due to the increased angle of attack
of the Rifle shield you will probably not get the claimed three inches of
increased calm air envelope, it will be more like 1.5" to 2".  Still better
than nothing though.  Two comments ont the edging/tall shield combo:

a:  The edging blocks what could be a critical area of the field of vision.
For me this comes into play when going slow through road construction.

b:  By lifting the wind current above your head, this will render any vents
that you might have in your helmet close to worthless, be it for cooling or
defogging.  Just a thought.  Good luck!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date:     Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:33 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Lumped together?

Jeff wrote:

>..Thinking about adding my old Saeng edging along the top as one of the
>Alaskans reported doing (sorry Cory and Juan--I seem to lump you two 
>together mentally). 

Hmmmmm.  Juan's a pretty nice guy, we're even contemplating a "little
jaunt" together this next summer w/ a couple of other guys.  I wouldn't
even consider such a trip w/ just anybody.  But I'm not sure about being 
"lumped together," it sorta' makes me feel like Play Dough.....no wait, 
you said mentally.  Holy smoke!  What a thought, Juan and I lumped 
together mentally...... What would they end up w/, Juan?  That is
sobering.....maybe the Unabomber?  Lump other things together and 
you'd end up w/ a half-red/half-white PC...... Lump our jobs together
and you'd have a "career aquarium administrator."  (Sorry Jeff, I
just couldn't resist.)

In a way, though, you're closer to the truth than you know.  Juan has
about 12" of the stuff on the top of his windshield.......that I gave
to him.  Go ahead and lump, you were close!

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov  8 14:28:59 1995

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Date:     Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:16 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: hsta@listproc.bgsu.edu
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC Helmet

Sorry to beat this to death, but I was messing around w/ stuff last night
and discovered that the Hondaline '89 PC-matching Helmet I've got is 
marked a Medium, but fits and feels larger than the Large AGV Quantum that 
I just bought.  It really is just like new and I'd really like to sell the 
thing, make me an offer.

  estescs_at_mobile@ccgate.eielson.af.mil OR estes@polar.eielson.af.mil

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov  8 15:28:27 1995

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:28:20 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: A disturbing incident

With an errand to do, I headed down the street this morning to the neighbor's
house where I park my bike (ah, the woes of apartment living here in Boston).
I put down my helmet and my bag, as I always do, and crouched at "Annie's"
hindquarters to remove the cover, which is one of those fitted things with an
elasticized bottom. I pulled outward to clear the footpegs and lifted up,
exposing a cat curled comfortably on the seat and giving me a guilty look!

I shouted, "hey!" and the cat took off, leaving me to inspect the seat for
claw marks. Fortunately, I found none. But there were cat hairs all over the
seat and side panels, and I'm allergic to cats.

Now, this anecdote may not seem in keeping with the educational tone of this
mailing list, but consider this: if you are shopping for a bike cover, I bet
you hadn't thought of the feline threat as an issue to consder. Besides, I
just felt like sharing it with my motorcycling friends. :)

<<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet. Meow.>>


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: A disturbing incident
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 15:33:13 -0600
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu>

>>>>> "J" == JeffHO  <JeffHO@aol.com> writes:

J> I pulled outward to clear the footpegs and lifted up, exposing a cat
J> curled comfortably on the seat and giving me a guilty look!

I occasionally find little pawprints on my "tank"; I suppose there isn't
much to do about it.  At least they've never scratched anything.

 - J<


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Date:     Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:33 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: A disturbing incident

Be glad your PC isn't "going to the dogs!"


Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov  8 19:44:03 1995
Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:42:10 +0000
Subject:       Re: Lumped together?
Priority: normal

> Date:          Wed, 08 Nov 1995 08:33 -0800
> From:          ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
> Subject:       Lumped together?
> To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> Jeff wrote:
> 
> >..Thinking about adding my old Saeng edging along the top as one of the
> >Alaskans reported doing (sorry Cory and Juan--I seem to lump you two 
> >together mentally). 
> 
> Hmmmmm.  Juan's a pretty nice guy, we're even contemplating a "little
> jaunt" together this next summer w/ a couple of other guys.  I wouldn't
> even consider such a trip w/ just anybody.  But I'm not sure about being 
> "lumped together," it sorta' makes me feel like Play Dough.....no wait, 
> you said mentally.  Holy smoke!  What a thought, Juan and I lumped 
> together mentally...... What would they end up w/, Juan?  That is
> sobering.....maybe the Unabomber?  Lump other things together and 
> you'd end up w/ a half-red/half-white PC...... Lump our jobs together
> and you'd have a "career aquarium administrator."  (Sorry Jeff, I
> just couldn't resist.)
> 
> In a way, though, you're closer to the truth than you know.  Juan has
> about 12" of the stuff on the top of his windshield.......that I gave
> to him.  Go ahead and lump, you were close!
> 
> Cory
> 
> YOU GUYS ARE REALLY FUNNY !

THANKS, I had a GOOD laugh I really needed that----- it's refreshing!
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:02:02 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Dogs, cats, et al.
 Oscar, my siamese, often likes to sit gargoyle-like on the saddle of the PC

watching me work on the bike.  Never has scratched anything related to bikes
or cars.  (you should see the job he's done on the carpeted steps though!).

As far as animal threats,  I think I'd rather  _not_  have a cover if your
friendly neighborhood dog thinks your PC is looking a little dry.  : - )

Real damage usually comes in the shape of a rodent (from a shrew to a
squirrel), and no cover will prevent one from getting to your bike if the
critter really wants a seat cushion snack, or thinks your exhaust is too
loud and tries to "re-pack" it for you.  : - (

Here's to mouse traps, cheers.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:23:38 -0700
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson)

index pc800




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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 09:32:52 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Re: A disturbing incident                         



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/09/95 09:33 ##
How about some "really big" rats?
Roger


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From: tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/08/95 15:33 ##
>>>>> "J" == JeffHO  <JeffHO@aol.com> writes:

J> I pulled outward to clear the footpegs and lifted up, exposing a cat
J> curled comfortably on the seat and giving me a guilty look!

I occasionally find little pawprints on my "tank"; I suppose there isn't
much to do about it.  At least they've never scratched anything.

 - J<




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:00:42 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: For Sale: Standard Honda PC800 windshield (new)

For sale.  Standard windshield pulled from a new '89 PC800.  Great
replacement for a damaged unit.   
 
Best fair offer. 
 
- Jeff


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:45:46 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tall Windshield

In a message dated 95-11-07 17:14:52 EST, WKern@gnn.com (Walter Kern) writes:

>Does anyone know a local dealer anywhere who might have one in 
>stock or does anyone know a better after market tall windshield 
>that I can get? 

FWIW, I have a Rifle +4 windshield that does wonders for winter riding (or
any riding since it quiets the wind noise problem associated with the stock
windshield).




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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:37:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Harrison Spain - (714) 952-6114" <SPAIN@edsug.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Driver Backrest
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> I thought I once saw a Corbin backrest (about 6") on a Corbin seat that
> slid forward on adjustable rails from the passenger to the driver postion,
> but maybe I hallucinated :-)  In any case, it would provide *some* lumbar
> support, but not enough to sit back Cruiser-sttle. 
>  
> - Jeff

I saw the Corbin adjustable also :-).  For the price, it's just too little
support :-).

The PC800 std seat does allow you to 'settle' into that ~3" ledge that rises to
the passenger seat.  I've also purchased what might be called a weight lifting
belt I saw advertized in a cycle parts magazine.  It does help!

What I'm looking for is a creative backrest for the rider that bolts into the
seat using those four long bolts for the passenger backrest.

You can picture a second backreset (identical to the std passenger backrest)
but instead of the mounting band sweeping toward the front of the cycle, the
band would sweep toward the rear and bolt to the same four points.

Harrison


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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:40:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Harrison Spain - (714) 952-6114" <SPAIN@edsug.com>
Subject: Re: Utopia Address
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> >I have seen/heard of a very nest driver's backrest from a company 
> named =
> >"Utopia."  Is anybody familiar with the company and know how I can =
> >contact them?
> >
> Utopia Saddles
> 643 Holmes Ave.
> Barberton, Ohio  44203
> 216/666-2602
> 
> Courtesy of Motorcycle Consumer News, February 1993
> 
> 
> -- 
>                      Ride in peace, Mark
>                     lucas.m@ix.netcom.com
>                 DoD# 1827           AMA# 697583	
> '84 Kawasaki 305 => '94 Honda Shadow VLX => '95 Honda Pacific Coast

Outstanding!  Thank you!  I just ordered the catalogue.  Hopefully, it will not
show bolts through the top of the passenger seat but I'll be prepared for
disappointment if it does :-).

Harrison


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:48:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Corbin Seat


Wes!

Got the seat yesterday and popped it on right away while I was still at 
work.  Lost a washer to the trunk lifter (don't know what the doohicky is 
called) since I hadn't figured out to remove the rear seat first (dulh!)  
Other than that everything went fine.  You modification to extend the 
backrest fits like a charm!  That adjustable driver's support just 
cradles my butt now.  The ride's a bit stiffer than I expected but it 
feels more like a light massager.  I plan to take my wife on it this 
weekend so I'll get her feedback later.  ....Hey I just saw a black Helix 
go by my window....  Anyway, thanks for the nice packaging and the 
instructions!  My butt thanks you!

BTW, Dr. Meeks, the windscreen I bought from you arrived intact and in 
great condition.  Thanks for your nice packaging, too!  It'll make a 
great spare.  Anyone else wants to sell me something?  Just kidding, I 
blew my budget for upgrades for this year.  Gotta save up for next round.

Neill, I'm still trying to empty my roll of film.  As soon as I'm done 
(10 left I think), I'll send you a picture of my nice all white bike.  
Probably this weekend when we go riding.  Cheers!

=========================================================================
Johan Lai                            UUCP Mail: None
Unix Systems Admin               Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com
Engineering Services                Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard
FileNet Corporation                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

"System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it."
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:14:15 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Tall Windshield

TedJ101 writes:
>>FWIW, I have a Rifle +4 windshield that does wonders for winter riding (or
any riding since it quiets the wind noise problem associated with the stock
windshield).<<

Ditto that.

Jeff

<<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.>>


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:14:49 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat

Glad everything worked out.  I should have told you, but forgot that I went
through the trunk shock routine too.  You don't have to take it off.  A
little fidgeting with a partially opened trunk and you can get the rider seat
into position.  For some really long rides (700 mile 18 hour days), I used
the rider portion of an Allyn Air Seat on top of the Corbin.  That's probably
blasphemy but it really worked !!!



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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:00:43 -0500
To: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC Helmet

On Wed, Nov 8, 1995 12:00:00 AM  at CORY wrote: 
 
>Sorry to beat this to death, but I was messing around w/ stuff last night 
>and discovered that the Hondaline '89 PC-matching Helmet I've got is  
>marked a Medium, but fits and feels larger than the Large AGV Quantum that
 
>I just bought.  It really is just like new and I'd really like to sell the
 
>thing, make me an offer. 
 
 
I think the current Hondaline helmets are actually Arai signets.  Is yours?


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Date:     Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:21 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: PC Helmet

  
>I think the current Hondaline helmets are actually Arai signets.  Is yours?

No, it was made for Honda by Nolan.  I believe the same Nolan w/o the '89
PC graphics was rated a B or B+ in the Motorcyclist magazine helmet issue
back in '91 or '92.  I've used it's identical twin for the last 24k+ miles
and have found it to be very comfortable, not terribly noisy, and very
well-constructed.  

At the same time I got my new AGV Quasar at the Honda dealer, my friend 
picked up a new AGV R-1.  My understanding is that the R-1 is the current,
made for sale only at Honda dealers, Hondaline offering.  Could be wrong, 
though.  Make me an offer, unless it just doesn't fit, I think you'll like
it.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Sun Nov 12 15:51:15 1995

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 16:51:13 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks

In a message dated 95-11-02 01:35:25 EST, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
writes:

>SO, If I may ask,  what's the $$$ for the motoport?

Steve,

$595 for the one piece and about $165 more for the goretex insulated liner.
You have a local dealer for Motoport in Seattle, BTW.  He advertises as the
best accessory house in the area in the yellow pages.  I know how to get
there, but I don't know the names of the streets...


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:20:26 -0800

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:20:26 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks

thanx for the info... I think I kniw who it is.

>In a message dated 95-11-02 01:35:25 EST, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
>writes:
>
>>SO, If I may ask,  what's the $$$ for the motoport?
>
>Steve,
>
>$595 for the one piece and about $165 more for the goretex insulated liner.
>You have a local dealer for Motoport in Seattle, BTW.  He advertises as the
>best accessory house in the area in the yellow pages.  I know how to get
>there, but I don't know the names of the streets...
>
>
>
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:16:15 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:16:00 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 09:34 AM 11/15/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Is there something wrong with the mailing list, or has nobody had anything to
>say for several days?
>
><<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.>>

Hi Jeff,

Been to busy getting out my winter riding attire including electic vest.
Sorry to hear your lonely for group talk.  How about spending some time
organizing a national e-mail PC group national rally for next summer.  ( I
Suggest North Carolina at Blue Rigdge Motorcycle Camp Ground)  There, that
should keep you busy.

Take care and ride safe!!!!
Waldo
GSU


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:15:21 -0800

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:15:21 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Silence?

hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the
MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?!


--------------------------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:37:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael A Jones <mjones@calvin.linfield.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I would like to say hello to all the PC800 fans out there and let you 
know I just joined this list today.

I have no idea what topics may have been discussed but am fairly certain 
there is a lot of new things to say. 

I live in Yamhill County, Oregon and believe that it is the prettiest 
place to live and ride.  I'd be happy to share any info about Oregon or 
southwest Washington.

I'd like to pose a question:  Living in Yamhill County, with no  Honda 
dealer to call on, I find it necessary to buy parts through mail 
order. Does anyone have a recommendation as to who the best (reliabile 
and cheap) mail order house would be?  

I appreciate any response.  

Mike Jones




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:46:55 -0500
To: <mjones@calvin.linfield.edu>
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Good mail order house  (was Re:Silence?)

On Wed, Nov 15, 1995 9:37:56 AM  at Michael A Jones wrote: 
 
 
>I'd like to pose a question:  Living in Yamhill County, with no  Honda  
>dealer to call on, I find it necessary to buy parts through mail  
>order. Does anyone have a recommendation as to who the best (reliabile  
>and cheap) mail order house would be?   
 
 
East Coast Parts Warehouse 
800-544-4814 for orders)  
703-699-4236 (cust service) 
 
cheapest for genuine Honda parts, and fairly reliable, IME


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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:49:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Fuel Consumption


I thought it was something wrong with my mail server, but I guess it was 
quiet.  Well, let me start some chatter.

Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better 
gas milage than super unlead?  My independent observation confirmed the 
same results.

Regarding the Corbin seat.  I love the way it conforms to my rear end now. 
But my wife is a little on short side (5'1") so her feet can't touch the foot
pegs anymore.  I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was thinking of
strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got ideas? 

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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption
	     (from Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>)
	     (at Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:49:19 -0800 (PST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 11:55:08 

Hi Johan (Johan Lai), in <Pine.A32.3.91.951115094451.212019A-100000@bob> on Nov 15 you wrote:

> Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better 
> gas milage than super unlead?  My independent observation confirmed the 
> same results.

I think you will find that this varies from region to region, etc.
as the makeup typically varies regionally.  In my case there is no 
discernable difference in gas mileage across the various octane
ratings since I started my own test of octane differences last
Aug as a result of the petcock failure mode.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:59:15 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:59:09 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
>hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the
>MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?!
>
>

DENVER is in the middle of the country????????

Waldo
GSU



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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:03:56 -0500
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: <jlai@filenet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

On Wed, Nov 15, 1995 9:49:19 AM  at Johan Lai wrote: 
 
>Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better  
>gas milage than super unlead?  My independent observation confirmed the  
>same results. 
 
 
In my recollection from Organic Chemistry, lower octane fuels contain more
energy per gallon than higher.  The mistaken impression otherwise, fostered
by the big advertising oil bucks, comes from power loss due to pinging
(pre-detonation), a common problem pre-1975 or so.  If your engine doesn't
ping or hesitate (rare nowadays, except in high altitude driving), you will
get no power advantage/fuel economy from high octane fuels, in fact the
contrary. 
 
The only other *possible* advantage to high octane is a higher detergent
content, but there is no proven advantage to consistent use over say use 1
in every 5 tankfuls. 
 
90% is advertising hype.


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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:06:15 -0500
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Cc: <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: FLUFF: Re: Re: Silence?

On Wed, Nov 15, 1995 11:59:15 AM  at Waldo  E. Meeks wrote: 
 
>At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote: 
>>hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the

>>MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?! 
>> 
>> 
> 
>DENVER is in the middle of the country???????? 
 
 
 
Howabout the center of the world?  New York!   :-)


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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:16:32 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:16:26 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

At 09:49 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:

>Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better 
>gas milage than super unlead?  My independent observation confirmed the 
>same results.

Contrary to common belief lower octane fuel burns faster that higher octane
fuels.  When an engine is designed to burn 87 octane this means that there
is adequate time between spark and top dead center for the fuel to burn as
completely as possible.  If a higher octane fuel in used in these engines it
is a total waste of money unless spark knock is occuring.  The higher octanc
fuel being a slower burning fuel will not completely burn before the piston
starts back down the cylinder and some of it is wasted in incomplete
combustion and thus leaves the engine as unbuned fuel.

If however spark knock is occuring a slower burning fuel (higher octane)
will not build up combustion chamber pressures as fast thus allowing the
piston to reach TDC before violent reactions have time to occure(spark knock).

I think I will put this on the bathroom wall.

With this information and 50 cents you can get a cup of coffee. (some places)

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:21:51 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
>hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the
>MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?!
>


Hey!  Wait a second!  "middle of the country" is a relative term  (right
Cory?)  How about in Dawson Creek BC,  so really we can ALL go?    Ha ha!  : - )

Sorry we haven't been active lately, but our bikes are deep in their
hibernation slumber and we haven't had much to contribute.  We are, however
(early stages of cabin fever are easily recognized) hatching - ok, ok,
incubating -  a plan for four of us to ride to the '96 STAR in Davis, WV.
About 9k miles after all is said and done.  No specific route is in place
yet (we've got months to hammer that out) but because of the distance -4k
one way-  our choices are somewhat limited.  Any info anyone can provide on
the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?

Anyway enough for now.  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero
right now, no windchill.
Later...
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:29:24 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:29:18 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

At 01:03 PM 11/15/95 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 15, 1995 9:49:19 AM  at Johan Lai wrote: 
> 
>>Did anyone resolve the question as to why regular unlead delivers better  
>>gas milage than super unlead?  My independent observation confirmed the  
>>same results. 
> 
> 
>In my recollection from Organic Chemistry, lower octane fuels contain more
>energy per gallon than higher.  The mistaken impression otherwise, fostered
>by the big advertising oil bucks, comes from power loss due to pinging
>(pre-detonation), a common problem pre-1975 or so.  If your engine doesn't
>ping or hesitate (rare nowadays, except in high altitude driving), you will
>get no power advantage/fuel economy from high octane fuels, in fact the
>contrary. 
> 
>The only other *possible* advantage to high octane is a higher detergent
>content, but there is no proven advantage to consistent use over say use 1
>in every 5 tankfuls. 
> 
>90% is advertising hype.

What the advertising hype says is "Use super surpreme whatever  because it
contains cleaning agents to keep your fuel system clean.  This is true.
What they dont tell you is that all octane levels contain basically the same
cleaning agents.

There is a good write up on the net under "fuel" or "gasoline" that will
support this.

Waldo 
GSU



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From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com
Date: 15 Nov 95 11:36:00 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Silence?

Hi.  This is David in Phoenix, Arizona.  No winter hibernation here.  We ride 
all year round.  I have a 1990 (red) PC with 38,000 miles on it.  I have it set-
up to HAM FM 2-way radio.  Works great.

Later,

David
==================

Apparently-To: RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com

At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
>hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the
>MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?!
>


Hey!  Wait a second!  "middle of the country" is a relative term  (right
Cory?)  How about in Dawson Creek BC,  so really we can ALL go?    Ha ha!  : - )

Sorry we haven't been active lately, but our bikes are deep in their
hibernation slumber and we haven't had much to contribute.  We are, however
(early stages of cabin fever are easily recognized) hatching - ok, ok,
incubating -  a plan for four of us to ride to the '96 STAR in Davis, WV.
About 9k miles after all is said and done.  No specific route is in place
yet (we've got months to hammer that out) but because of the distance -4k
one way-  our choices are somewhat limited.  Any info anyone can provide on
the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?

Anyway enough for now.  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero
right now, no windchill.
Later...
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:38:20 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:38:14 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 09:21 AM 11/15/95 -0900, you wrote:
>At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
  Any info anyone can provide on
>the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?

I understand he is very cute and likes to be boss.

  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero

              Is that a true test for a Widder electric vest OR WHAT????


 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380)
 15 Nov 1995 12:38:41 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:34:53 +0000
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption
 (from "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>)
 (at Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:29:24 -0600)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Waldo (Waldo  E. Meeks), in <9511151829.AA03168@hpc.uh.edu> on Nov 15 you wrote:
> >90% is advertising hype.
> 
> What the advertising hype says is "Use super surpreme whatever  because it
> contains cleaning agents to keep your fuel system clean.  This is true.
> What they dont tell you is that all octane levels contain basically the same
> cleaning agents.
 
92-93 octane fuels almost always contain 'lubricant' additives that
are not included in the lower octane fuels. This is typically required
for older engines which expected a 'reasonable' lead content in the
fuel to lubricate the valves.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:51:22 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  Fuel Consumption -Reply


>Regarding the Corbin seat.  I love the way it conforms to my rear end
>now.  But my wife is a little on short side (5'1") so her feet can't touch
>the foot pegs anymore.  I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was
>thinking of strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got
>ideas? 

If you put blocks of wood on the pegs, they won't flip up properly.  I was
thinking of some of those platform sneakers that I see in the stores lately.
 With ankle coverage they might even satisfy (probably not thrill but
maybe satisfy) an MSF instructor.  What do you think Cory?  



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Silence?
	     (from David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com)
	     (at Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:36:00 -0600)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:41:48 

Hi David_McCarthy-RXYH90 (David_McCarthy-RXYH90), in 

> Hi.  This is David in Phoenix, Arizona.  No winter hibernation here.  We ride 
> all year round.  I have a 1990 (red) PC with 38,000 miles on it.  I have it set-

Dang. About to catch up with my '90 PC with 47k miles... Wish I had time to
travel. Only about 12k of that 47k was travel. :^( When I get my house far
enough to move in (maybe next month?), I think I'll take a short vacation and
put some miles on the bike. Push it over the 50k mark.  Have some long-overdue
maintenance to perform first. Maybe even wash the poor, dirty thing.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:50:56 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 12:38 PM 11/15/95 -0600, you wrote:

          Huh?

>  Any info anyone can provide on
>>the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?
>
>I understand he is very cute and likes to be boss.
>
>  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero
>
>              Is that a true test for a Widder electric vest OR WHAT????
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:57:00 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Rally?



>>> Waldo  E. Meeks <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu> 11/15/95 10:59am
>>>

>DENVER is in the middle of the country????????

Maybe nobody really wants to go to the actual geographic middle of the
country.  And hey, lets remember that we are an international group.  I
think we need to show some sensitivity to our non-US subscribers...as
long as we hold the rally in the US.   ;-)   Perhaps we need to gather
home cities from anybody interested in a rally and determine a central
point for potential participants.  




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From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com
Date: 15 Nov 95 12:06:00 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Double messages

Anybody know why I keep getting the same message more than once?


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:23:58 -0800

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:23:58 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Rally?

well...ok..Denver is sort of in the middle..there's nothing in nebraska :>)
I'm planning on doing the Rally in Montana next aug...but...maybe a cruise
down the PACIFIC COAST would be fun..hehehhe


--------------------------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date:     Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:43 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?

>hey waldo...a PC ralley would be great, but lets make it somewhere it the
>MIDDLE of the country so we all can go...maybe DENVER!!?!?!?!


>--------------------------------
>Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
>"It's gotta groove..."

All can go?  Fairbanks is still a fer piece from Denver......  Cavalier,
North Dakota is the geographical center of North America, how about 
there?
Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 15 13:49:15 1995

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 11:47:54 TZ
Subject: RE: Rally?

I think there's 5 or 6 in the Seattle area.  My unofficial list that I have is:

Dave Gross, Steve Gross, Jerry Kirdby; Dan Cole, and myself Bryce Ulrich

For other Pacific Northwest riders, send me email direct at 
bryceu@microsoft.com so I can add you to my list and get organized for 
some Washington/Oregon gatherings.  Be sure to include your phone number.

I'll forward revisions to Neil so as to keep the email traffic down on 
the PC800 list.

-bryceu
----------
| From: Neill Thompson  <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: Rally?
| Date: Wednesday, November 15, 1995 11:57AM
|
|
|
| >>> Waldo  E. Meeks <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu> 11/15/95 10:59am
| >>>
|
| >DENVER is in the middle of the country????????
|
| Maybe nobody really wants to go to the actual geographic middle of the
| country.  And hey, lets remember that we are an international group.  I
| think we need to show some sensitivity to our non-US subscribers...as
| long as we hold the rally in the US.   ;-)   Perhaps we need to gather
| home cities from anybody interested in a rally and determine a central
| point for potential participants.
|
| 




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Date:     Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:52 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?

At 09:21 AM 11/15/95 -0900, you wrote:
>>At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
  Any info anyone can provide on
>>the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?

>I understand he is very cute and likes to be boss.

>  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero

>              Is that a true test for a Widder electric vest OR WHAT????


I was going to buy one of the things, but found out that 12 VDC wasn't 
enough for our cold.  Want a 110 VAC model, but would have to have a
really long extension cord.  Still waiting for my studed tires to come
in, anyway.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 15 14:01:54 1995

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Date:     Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:58 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Fuel Consumption -Reply


>>Regarding the Corbin seat.  I love the way it conforms to my rear end
>>now.  But my wife is a little on short side (5'1") so her feet can't touch
>>the foot pegs anymore.  I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was
>>thinking of strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got
>>ideas? 

>If you put blocks of wood on the pegs, they won't flip up properly.  I was
>thinking of some of those platform sneakers that I see in the stores lately.
> With ankle coverage they might even satisfy (probably not thrill but
>maybe satisfy) an MSF instructor.  What do you think Cory?  

Hmmmmm.... just checked my books, really doesn't say anything about it, but
I would think that PLATFORMS would be OK, but 5" spike heels might pose
a bit of a hazard.  HOWEVER, if one is very FIRM in planiting such a
heel into the ground at the initiation of a turn (with the proper head
turn, too, of course!) it could serve to shorten your turning radius by
a good margin, kinna' like a "bat turn."  Let me know how it works,
Juan.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 15 14:04:30 1995

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Date:     Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:01 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Rally?



>>>> Waldo  E. Meeks <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu> 11/15/95 10:59am
>>>

>>DENVER is in the middle of the country????????

>Maybe nobody really wants to go to the actual geographic middle of the
>country.  And hey, lets remember that we are an international group.  I
>think we need to show some sensitivity to our non-US subscribers...as
>long as we hold the rally in the US.   ;-)   Perhaps we need to gather
>home cities from anybody interested in a rally and determine a central
>point for potential participants.  

I hear that Honda sells BLUE PCs in France!  How about Paris?

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 15 14:09:57 1995

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:09:55 -0600
          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:09:48 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?

At 10:52 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
>At 09:21 AM 11/15/95 -0900, you wrote:
>>>At 09:15 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:
>  Any info anyone can provide on
>>>the ferry that crosses lake Michigan east to west?
>
>>I understand he is very cute and likes to be boss.
>
>>  For those who are curious, it is   17F below zero
>
>>              Is that a true test for a Widder electric vest OR WHAT????
>
>
>I was going to buy one of the things, but found out that 12 VDC wasn't 
>enough for our cold.  Want a 110 VAC model, but would have to have a
>really long extension cord.  Still waiting for my studed tires to come
>in, anyway.
>
>Cory


How about a trailer with a small 120V Generator?



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:30:18 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Good mail order house

Cycle Design has great prices and nice folks. Doug or Jayma at (800)
343-1374. Tell 'em Jeff sent ya (earns me some brownie points--they're my
dealer--but they really do have great prices).

<<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.>>

 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380)
 15 Nov 1995 15:09:16 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:10:01 +0400
From: rescoba@ctc.cl (Ricardo Escobar)
Subject: Pipes/Exhausts
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

Please I need you recommend me pipe/exhaust (SuperTrapp, White bros., FMF,
etc.) for Honda XR 250 '92. Please I need prices too.

Thank you,

Ricardo Escobar Greene from Santiago de Chile.

Fax: 3309141



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Date:     Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:53 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?

>>I was going to buy one of the things, but found out that 12 VDC wasn't 
>>enough for our cold.  Want a 110 VAC model, but would have to have a
>>really long extension cord.  Still waiting for my studed tires to come
>>in, anyway.
>>
>>Cory


>How about a trailer with a small 120V Generator?

Hey, now you're talking!  I've even got a hitch!  Shoot, I probably could
find an old dog sled around somewhere!  Hot Dog!  (Oops, sorry 'bout that.)

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 15 19:49:12 1995
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:49:07 -0800

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:49:07 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption


>Regarding the Corbin seat.  I love the way it conforms to my rear end now. 
>But my wife is a little on short side (5'1") so her feet can't touch the foot
>pegs anymore.  I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was thinking of
>strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got ideas? 


Taller wife? :)
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:49:09 -0800

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:49:09 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?


>North Dakota is the geographical center of North America, how about 
>there?
>Cory
>


Cory, I've been through ND.  Nothing personal, but it's about two days of
nothin!  OTOH, SD has the badlands, which woulda been neat absent the fog......
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: 15 Nov 95 22:24:46 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

>Taller wife? :)

That was good, I got a good laugh out of that one!

Rusty



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Date: 15 Nov 95 22:29:16 EST
From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com>
To: pc800 <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Rally?

>well...ok..Denver is sort of in the middle..there's nothing in nebraska :>)
>I'm planning on doing the Rally in Montana next aug...but...maybe a cruise
>down the PACIFIC COAST would be fun..hehehhe

I would go for that, but I'd have wait until you got closer to me than 
where you are now!  I am in Los Angeles.

Rusty



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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:12:07 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller)
Subject: Electric gear (was: Silence)

Seriously,

What kind of performance can I expect from electric gear? Gerbing sells a
wider variety of products than the last Widder flyer I saw (jackets, pants,
socks). My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. I
don't know yet that I need a vest with my nice First Gear lined jacket and
Spartan suit, but something for my hands. . . .


>>>I was going to buy one of the things, but found out that 12 VDC wasn't 
>>>enough for our cold.  Want a 110 VAC model, but would have to have a
>>>really long extension cord.  Still waiting for my studed tires to come
>>>in, anyway.
>>>
>>>Cory
>
>
>>How about a trailer with a small 120V Generator?
>
>Hey, now you're talking!  I've even got a hitch!  Shoot, I probably could
>find an old dog sled around somewhere!  Hot Dog!  (Oops, sorry 'bout that.)
>
>Cory
>
>

-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2]
mskeller@ionet.net

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:09:12 -0700
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson)

get info pc800




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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:41:41 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

In a message dated 95-11-15 12:54:39 EST, you write:

>I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was thinking of
>strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got ideas? 

Johan,

I made up some special brackets from 1/4" steel and some wooden blocks so
that my 8 year old grandson could ride with me.  I thought about just adding
blocks to the standard footpegs ... but ....if the pegs fold up, they're
going to do damage to the fairing !!!

The custom brackets and footrests I made were non-folding, therefor no
possiblity of damage to the fairing.

It only took about 5 minutes to switch from stock pegs to my custom ones, so
most of the time the bike could look beautiful (my pegs were UGLY).

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:41:43 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

You've even got a hitch ??

I thought about putting one on my bike, but couldn't find anyone who made
one, and when I looked the rear end of the PC over, couldn't figure out where
one could be mounted anyway !

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:44:15 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: For Sale:Pacific Coast 800 Parts Fiche '89 through '95

For Sale: PC800 Parts Fiche '89 through '95 model years. 
 
One card only.  $10 to first taker.


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Date:     Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:14 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?

>You've even got a hitch ??
>
>I thought about putting one on my bike, but couldn't find anyone who made
>one, and when I looked the rear end of the PC over, couldn't figure out where
>one could be mounted anyway !
>
>Wes St.Onge
>RETREADNY@aol.com

My hitch, currently over at Juan's place, was hand made by a fellow in 
Quebec.  I've had it on but have yet to pull w/ it.  Take off your
tail light assembly some day, those two tubes that end, pointing down, 
behind the light, are the mounting points.  The hitch slides up into
the two tubes and is secured w/ two bolts.  The guy who made it has 
two others that have faithfully towed trailers all over the eastern
US and Canada with he and his wife piloting.  They are a pretty
impressive sight; a matched pair of beeautiful red/silver '90 PCs, both
towing matching red/silver (perfect color match, BTW) trailers.

I think Juan is considering getting some pictures to submit for the
web page, don't quote me on that, though.  

The last time this subject came up Roger Prince told me there is a company
out there making a hitch for PC.  Can't remember who he sait it was, though.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Thu Nov 16 11:34:02 1995

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Date:     Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:30 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?


>>North Dakota is the geographical center of North America, how about 
>>there?
>>Cory
>>


>Cory, I've been through ND.  Nothing personal, but it's about two days of
>nothin!  OTOH, SD has the badlands, which woulda been neat absent the fog......
>***
>Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
>Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
>***

Steve,  I agree, I lived there for five years.  What a place!  If you took
two days to get through ND you were going too slow!  The wind can blow an
entire pile of dead leaves completely across the state in just a few minutes!
Cory 

From owner-pc800  Thu Nov 16 11:49:38 1995
	with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:49:27 -0700

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:55:07 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Trailers

Somebody mentioned Bushtec Trailers awhile back I believe.  I suspect I
can come up with an address or phone number if I work at it.  Anybody
else got one handy?  I believe that they have a trailer and hitch
combination made for the PC.  




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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:03:52 -0600
          Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:03:37 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?

At 08:14 AM 11/16/95 -0800, you wrote:
>>You've even got a hitch ??
>>
 Take off your
>tail light assembly some day, those two tubes that end, pointing down, 
>behind the light, are the mounting points.  The hitch slides up into
>the two tubes and is secured w/ two bolts.

When I fabricated my trailer hitch I used the very same tubes you are
speaking of.  Used round rod that would slide into the tubes, bent the round
rod to approx.90 degree angles, welded stock to round rod to thread so the
plate for mounting the ball between the round rods could be taken off easily
for tire replacement.   In addition I welded to the round rod some flat
metal  and bolted this to the bottom of the trunk.(I realize this was going
into plactic but it gives me that extra edge of confindence.) The design
time was much longer than the building and installation time by far.

My trailer only weights about 130 lbs dead weight fully loaded with camping
gear, clothes etc.  Thats not much towing weight.  I really "do not know it
is back there" except it takes the load off the bike from have "stuff"
strapped everywhere.  No change in gas mileage-- REALLY.

I have seen a similar design hitch on a PC towing a camping trailer (fold
out) and the owners says it has done very well for many miles.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:28:20 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers

At 10:55 AM 11/16/95 -0700, you wrote:
>Somebody mentioned Bushtec Trailers awhile back I believe.  I suspect I
>can come up with an address or phone number if I work at it.  Anybody
>else got one handy?  I believe that they have a trailer and hitch
>combination made for the PC.  

Oh no!  Don't get Cory started.  He's been drooling for one of those Bushtec
traillers for a while now.  ( Sorry Cory, it's for your own good)   : - )

I took a set of pictures of the hitcht that Cory lent me, installed and off
the bike.  I just need to get that  %^$*& roll of film developed so I can
send them to Neill via Jason.  Hang in there.

As for an address for Bushtec, check out the latest edition of Rider.  They
have a sale in progress.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:34:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Fuel Consumption

On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Steve Gross wrote:

> 
> >Regarding the Corbin seat.  I love the way it conforms to my rear end now. 
> >But my wife is a little on short side (5'1") so her feet can't touch the foot
> >pegs anymore.  I think the rear seat is higher than stock.  I was thinking of
> >strapping a block of wood on the pegs. Anyone else got ideas? 
> 
> 
> Taller wife? :)
> ***
> Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
> Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
> ***
> 

Now that's an idea.  Know where I can get a pair of them Hondaline extra 
long passenger legs? :)

=========================================================================
Johan Lai                            UUCP Mail: None
Unix Systems Admin               Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com
Engineering Services                Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard
FileNet Corporation                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

"System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it."
=========================================================================


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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:02:03 -0500
To: <jlai@filenet.com>, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: SOLD: Pacific Coast 800 Parts Fiche '89 through '95

On Thu, Nov 16, 1995 11:55:15 AM  at Johan Lai wrote: 
 
>On Thu, 16 Nov 1995, J. Burack wrote: 
> 
>> For Sale: PC800 Parts Fiche '89 through '95 model years.  
>>   
>> One card only.  $10 to first taker. 
>>  
> 
>I'm game.  You're in LA aren't you? 
 
Sold, thanks.  No, I'm in NYC, where the riding season is ending :-(
although my PC has been laid up for a month with an electrical problem (too
many add-ons :-) 
 
- Jeff 
 


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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:59:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael A Jones <mjones@calvin.linfield.edu>
Subject: mail order
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Thanks to those of you who sent me your favorite mail order houses.

A related question - can anyone suggest a mail order house that I 
definitely should NOT do business with.  Please reply directly or on the 
list.

Thanks again

mike


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Date: 16 Nov 95 19:03:54 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Rally?


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From:	Neill Thompson, INTERNET:thompson@mail.trglink.com
TO:	(unknown), INTERNET:PC800@SINA.HPC.UH.EDU
DATE:	11/15/95 2:00 PM

RE:	PC800: Rally?

 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380)
 15 Nov 1995 12:53:04 -0600 (CST)
 15 Nov 1995 12:51:45 -0600
 15 Nov 1995 12:51:42 -0600
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:57:00 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
Subject: Rally?
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu



>>> Waldo  E. Meeks <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu> 11/15/95 10:59am
>>>

>DENVER is in the middle of the country????????

Maybe nobody really wants to go to the actual geographic middle of the
country.  And hey, lets remember that we are an international group.  I
think we need to show some sensitivity to our non-US subscribers...as
long as we hold the rally in the US.   ;-)   Perhaps we need to gather
home cities from anybody interested in a rally and determine a central
point for potential participants.  


How about getting together at STAR '96? I know that West Virginia ain't exactly
in the middle of the country, but there will be a bunch of PC owners there. How
about the rest of you? The ST-1100 owners usually get together, and we could do
the same thing. It could be advertised in the STAReview monthly newsletter that
we plan to get together during the rally. The model of bike hasn't been
determined, but we're gonna raffle off a bike there! Tom Trieschmann, one of our
Texas members, won an ST-1100 at STAR '95! Perhaps you will be the winner at
STAR '96! But you can't win unless you attend! So...mark your calendar NOW to
attend STAR '96 June 23-27, 1996 at Canaan Valley Resort, Davis West Virginia.
If you aren't a member of the HSTA, send me your mailing address and I'll mail
you a brochure/application form. Questions??? Drop me a message! See ya on the
road...be careful out there!
Dana L. Sawyer, Founder - HSTA



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Date: 16 Nov 95 19:17:00 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers


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From:	"Juan A. Goula", INTERNET:jgoula@ims.alaska.edu
TO:	(unknown), INTERNET:PC800@SINA.HPC.UH.EDU
DATE:	11/16/95 2:34 PM

RE:	Re: PC800: Trailers

 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8380)
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 16 Nov 1995 13:28:24 -0600
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:28:20 -0900 (AKST)
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

At 10:55 AM 11/16/95 -0700, you wrote:
>Somebody mentioned Bushtec Trailers awhile back I believe.  I suspect I
>can come up with an address or phone number if I work at it.  Anybody
>else got one handy?  I believe that they have a trailer and hitch
>combination made for the PC.  

Oh no!  Don't get Cory started.  He's been drooling for one of those Bushtec
traillers for a while now.  ( Sorry Cory, it's for your own good)   : - )

I took a set of pictures of the hitcht that Cory lent me, installed and off
the bike.  I just need to get that  %^$*& roll of film developed so I can
send them to Neill via Jason.  Hang in there.

As for an address for Bushtec, check out the latest edition of Rider.  They
have a sale in progress.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________

HSTA member Tom Powers has a 1994 Bushtec trailer for sale (unless it has been
sold.) It has a long list of options, is in excellent condition. Save $1,000 off
1994 price, only $2,000. Will deliver within 600 miles or meet you halfway. Tel.
314/235-9559 days. Tom has a PC; don't know about his hitch. Call him!



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Date:     Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:02 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Rally?

Hey Dana,

Haven't heard from you in a while.  You probably haven't heard yet, looks
like some of "Espadrille Alaskaine" are going to make the trip to STAR '96!
SEE YOU THERE!

Cory

From owner-pc800  Thu Nov 16 20:06:05 1995

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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 17:57:01 TZ
Subject: RE: Electric gear (was: Silence)

I have an Eclipse vest and chaps and I'm fairly happy with them.  You 
*will* enjoy the heat no matter what you are wearing.  I'd recommend 
the thermostat if your a warm body type person.  I usually keep mine 
half on while my lady friend on the back is content with just the on switch.

Performance: -- you'll notice the uncovered spots once you get into 
freezing temps.  I need to wear polarfleece top to bottom in addition 
to the electric stuff on long rides below freezing.  With shorter trips 
or warmer temps you'll be very content and happy even in the nastiest 
rainy conditions.

Note: the Gerber gear with full sleaves and pants may not need the 
extra polarfleece becuase of it's full coverage.

Cold spots continue for my hands and feet.  I've thought about getting 
some heated wraps for the handgrips for those longer trips.  Wind and 
wet will eventually numb your toes something fierce so I may someday 
get some electric socks.  Heat packs (no air in the boots)  and battery 
powered devices (no power when batteries get cold) just won't keep the 
toes warm for long.

-bryceu
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From: Michael S. Keller  <mskeller@ionet.net>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Electric gear (was: Silence)
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 1995 10:12PM

Seriously,

What kind of performance can I expect from electric gear? Gerbing sells a
wider variety of products than the last Widder flyer I saw (jackets, pants,
socks). My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. I
don't know yet that I need a vest with my nice First Gear lined jacket and
Spartan suit, but something for my hands. . . .


>>>I was going to buy one of the things, but found out that 12 VDC wasn't
>>>enough for our cold.  Want a 110 VAC model, but would have to have a
>>>really long extension cord.  Still waiting for my studed tires to come
>>>in, anyway.
>>>
>>>Cory
>
>
>>How about a trailer with a small 120V Generator?
>
>Hey, now you're talking!  I've even got a hitch!  Shoot, I probably could
>find an old dog sled around somewhere!  Hot Dog!  (Oops, sorry 'bout that.)
>
>Cory
>
>

-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2]
mskeller@ionet.net

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:47:56 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?


>Steve,  I agree, I lived there for five years.  What a place!  If you took
>two days to get through ND you were going too slow!  The wind can blow an
>entire pile of dead leaves completely across the state in just a few minutes!
>Cory 
>


Cory, it was the end of March, & I got caught in a blizzard.  Not pleasant.

Steve
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 07:33:12 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: ("J._Burack")_lawyer@pipeline.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: For Sale:Pacific Coast 800 Parts Fiche '89 through



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/17/95 07:34 ##
I got the '89-'96 fiche from Cycle Design for less than $4.00.
Roger


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From: ("J. Burack") lawyer@pipeline.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/16/95 10:44 ##
For Sale: PC800 Parts Fiche '89 through '95 model years. 
 
One card only.  $10 to first taker.




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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 08:57:38 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: thompson@mail.trglink.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Trailers                                          



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/17/95 08:59 ##
Tom Power (HSTA) of MO has been running a Bushtec trailer on a PC800.
He presently has a Bushtec cargo trailer listed in the HSTA news for 
sale.  Tel. 314-235-9559 days.  He is an experienced PC trailer hand.
Probably has some good info for the interested.
Roger


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From: thompson@mail.trglink.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/16/95 10:55 ##
Somebody mentioned Bushtec Trailers awhile back I believe.  I suspect I
can come up with an address or phone number if I work at it.  Anybody
else got one handy?  I believe that they have a trailer and hitch
combination made for the PC.  






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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 15:27:47 UT
From: "Charter Member" <BetaTester@msn.com>
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: PC 800 Question

Hi All,

I look forward to reading this group everyday.  I have learned a lot about my 
PC and enjoy the intelligent conversation.

I was wondering if anyone has ever given any thought to adding something like 
winglets or some kind of small wind deflector around the foot area.  Looking 
at my bike, it looks like a small one could be fabricated and integrated to 
look like a factory design.  I will look at this more seriously and see if it 
is feasible in the near future.

Any thoughts or idea's would be greatly appreciated.


BetaTester@msn.com 

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:53:39 -0500
From: JAN DEROOS <deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Winglets

Re: Winglets

>I was wondering if anyone has ever given any thought to adding something like 
>winglets or some kind of small wind deflector around the foot area.  Looking 
>at my bike, it looks like a small one could be fabricated and integrated to 
>look like a factory design.  I will look at this more seriously and see if it 
>is feasible in the near future.

I'd really like this as well.  My biggest criticism of the bike is lack of foot
protection from the wind, rain, etc.

Jan A. deRoos - jad10@cornell.edu  
School of Hotel Administration          
Cornell University





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Date:     Fri, 17 Nov 1995 07:59 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?


>>Steve,  I agree, I lived there for five years.  What a place!  If you took
>>two days to get through ND you were going too slow!  The wind can blow an
>>entire pile of dead leaves completely across the state in just a few minutes!
>>Cory 
>>


>Cory, it was the end of March, & I got caught in a blizzard.  Not pleasant.

>Steve

Yep, best reason to spend an extra day in ND.....stuck there!
C


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 08:31:00 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question

>I was wondering if anyone has ever given any thought to adding something like 
>winglets or some kind of small wind deflector around the foot area.  Looking 
>at my bike, it looks like a small one could be fabricated and integrated to 
>look like a factory design.  I will look at this more seriously and see if it 
>is feasible in the near future.


Were you thinking of a "half-cone" deflector or a "flat surface with a lip"
type deflector?  I've seen both kinds on 'Wings, and the owners of those
bikes were satisfied.  It is an interesting concept, since the feet are just
about the only part that does not benefit from the PC's excellent fairing.
Let me know if you come up with something.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: 17 Nov 95 12:43:36 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800

I broke the plastic piece holding the choke cable assembly to the bracket near
the ignition switch. My choke has never worked freely, and over a period of time
I probably pulled too hard on it. The new assembly cost $47, and took about two
hours to install. One of the two cables to the carbs had rust and corrosion
inside, while the other one was free of corrosion. Somehow water found its way
to one...probably part of the problem. So...don't pull too hard on the choke,
and try to learn its limits! I would much rather have the choke up on the left
handlebar like on real motorcycles! Otherwise, I don't have much to complain
about! I still have the original battetry, brake pads and linings on my '90 PC
with 60,000 miles! My mechanic accuses me of dragging my feet when I stop! Dana
Sawyer, Founder - HSTA 71430,340



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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:44:38 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800

At 12:43 PM 11/17/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I broke the plastic piece holding the choke cable assembly to the bracket near
>the ignition switch. My choke has never worked freely, and over a period of
time
>I probably pulled too hard on it. The new assembly cost $47, and took about two
>hours to install. One of the two cables to the carbs had rust and corrosion
>inside, while the other one was free of corrosion.

Thanks for the tip .  I'll make sure I get some cable lube in there.  Having
a hydraulic clutch and the throttle cable hidden by the plastic shroud, one
tends to forget that the PC *does* have some cables in it.

>Somehow water found its way
>to one...probably part of the problem. So...don't pull too hard on the choke,
>and try to learn its limits! I would much rather have the choke up on the left
>handlebar like on real motorcycles!

Wait a second Dana, are you somehow implying that the PC is  _not_  a real
motrocycle? : - )

>Otherwise, I don't have much to complain
>about! I still have the original battetry, brake pads and linings on my '90 PC
>with 60,000 miles! My mechanic accuses me of dragging my feet when I stop! Dana
>Sawyer, Founder - HSTA 71430,340

I bet your local boot store loves you though  : - )

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:13:47 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

Re meeting/ rally for PC e-mail group ---- GREAT IDEA

Let me know I'll be there !!!!
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:31:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael A Jones <mjones@calvin.linfield.edu>
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I purchased my PC" used" from a fellow who had riveted small wind 
deflectors (made from aluminum) just in front of the foot areas. It is 
obviously not stock but the aluminum color looks quite nice on the bike.

Never having ridden another PC 800 it is difficult to tell how it 
compares to everyone else's.  But I think I like them.  I do recall a 
PC 800 review in  Cycle World (I believe) in which the writer complained 
about 
wind blowing up his pant legs.  If anyone else has this problem the wind 
deflectors might be a good idea.

The only thing I could never figure out is why someone would sell a PC 
800 with just 611 miles on it.  

Let me know if you would like me to send a 
picture of how it looks.


Mike

On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Juan A. Goula wrote:

> >I was wondering if anyone has ever given any thought to adding something like 
> >winglets or some kind of small wind deflector around the foot area.  Looking 
> >at my bike, it looks like a small one could be fabricated and integrated to 
> >look like a factory design.  I will look at this more seriously and see if it 
> >is feasible in the near future.
> 


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:59:22 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  Re: PC 800 Question -Reply

>>> Michael A Jones <mjones@calvin.linfield.edu> 11/17/95 12:31pm >>>

Let me know if you would like me to send a  picture of how it looks.

=====

Always interested in pics for the WWW page.  New edition is still in the
works.  Sorry for the delay, please be patient.  



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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:00:41 -0600
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu>

>>>>> "DLS" == Dana L Sawyer <71430.340@compuserve.com> writes:

DLS> I broke the plastic piece holding the choke cable assembly to the
DLS> bracket near the ignition switch. My choke has never worked freely,
DLS> and over a period of time I probably pulled too hard on it.

My choke is really, really hard to open, too.  It always has been.  I find
it's easier to open with the bars turned all the way to the left.

Is the new assembly any easier to operate?  Is there any good way to
lubricate the cables?

And on the subject of cables, my friend's speedo cable just disintegrated
at 31K miles.  He's been waiting two weeks to get a new one, and he, like
me, has no car.  He always rides at DOD nominal, though, so I suppose the
lack of a speedo doesn't trouble him.

 - J<

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:27:39 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

Juan, in a message dated 15 Nov you asked --
> 
Any info anyone can provide on the ferry that crosses
lake Michigan east to west?

SO HERE'S SOME SCOOP ---
> 
The ferry leaves from Manitowoc, WI and travels to Luddington,  It's 
about 60 miles and takes about 4 hours. I have made the trip several 
times.  Adults cost $33 one way and $55 return, there is a charge of 
$25 for a motorcycle.   Motorcycles must be tied down.  A steel 
grating parking area is provided and tie downs are available on board.
tying down the PC needs a little forethought since there is not much to 
tie to. More on how I did this later.

The ferry runs from mid May  through mid October.  In the Summer, from 
mid June to mid Aug, there are two trips a day.  In Spring and Fall 
there is only one. In summer departue time from Manitowoc are 1:00pm 
(1300hrscst) and 12:30am (0030hrscst). Departures from Luddington are 
at 7:30am (0730hrsEST) and 8:00pm (2000hrsEST), note the time change 
line runs down the middle of the lake. There are NO evenig sailing on 
hollidays like the 4th July or Labor day weekend.


Tying down the PC --

I installed soft ties on the rails under the seat so that they could 
be pulled out and stuffed back as needed.  They can be fitted with 
some fiddleing, one of those jobs YOU GOTTA BELIEVE it can be done 
'cause it looks impossible.  This will only work for the Factory seat, 
The Corbin fits too tight and even though you may be able to install 
the Corbin seat it will be impossible to extract the ties.

For the front I used soft ties arround the bottom tripple clamps and 
crossed them over so the one on the left fork tube went right etc.  
Don't remember why but it worked better for me than not crossing 
them.  Honda says to take off the plastic arround the crash bars 
front and rear and tie the bike down with straps to the steel support 
tubes, but I don't think this gives enough stability and its too much 
trouble.  In addition, the tie points are too low.

In stead of using the tripple clamps to tie to you can use the 
handlebars.  There is a neat device that goes over the handle bar grips 
with a strap that threads through the opposite grip and then you tie 
the tie down strap to a loop at each respective end so that the whole 
schmere pulls up tight across the handle bars.  I have one and it works 
quite well if you don't have a cruise control.  The strap is made by 
a company called Canyon Dancer,  2040 Stoney Brook Drive,  Red Bluff,
California 96080, Ph. 916 527 7926.  The device is called a "Handle 
Bar Harness" , it costs about $27.95 retail from your favourite supplier.

I don't recommend using the rear passenger handles on the rear 
seat particularly with a loaded bike as this puts too much strain on
the trunk latches.

AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FERRY !!!

Juan, I will send you last years ferry info in the mail as soon as you 
E-Masil me your postal address.  

If you DO come on this trip how about spending a night with us here in 
Appleton WI, about 45 mins from Manitowoc.?

We would love to meet you -------
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:35:29 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

Juan, in a message dated 15 Nov you asked --
> 
Any info anyone can provide on the ferry that crosses
lake Michigan east to west?

SO HERE'S SOME SCOOP ---
> 
The ferry leaves from Manitowoc, WI and travels to Luddington,  It's 
about 60 miles and takes about 4 hours. I have made the trip several 
times.  Adults cost $33 one way and $55 return, there is a charge of 
$25 for a motorcycle.   Motorcycles must be tied down.  A steel 
grating parking area is provided and tie downs are available on board.
tying down the PC needs a little forethought since there is not much to 
tie to. More on how I did this later.

The ferry runs from mid May  through mid October.  In the Summer, from 
mid June to mid Aug, there are two trips a day.  In Spring and Fall 
there is only one. In summer departue time from Manitowoc are 1:00pm 
(1300hrscst) and 12:30am (0030hrscst). Departures from Luddington are 
at 7:30am (0730hrsEST) and 8:00pm (2000hrsEST), note the time change 
line runs down the middle of the lake. There are NO evenig sailing on 
hollidays like the 4th July or Labor day weekend.


Tying down the PC --

I installed soft ties on the rails under the seat so that they could 
be pulled out and stuffed back as needed.  They can be fitted with 
some fiddleing, one of those jobs YOU GOTTA BELIEVE it can be done 
'cause it looks impossible.  This will only work for the Factory seat, 
The Corbin fits too tight and even though you may be able to install 
the Corbin seat it will be impossible to extract the ties.

For the front I used soft ties arround the bottom tripple clamps and 
crossed them over so the one on the left fork tube went right etc.  
Don't remember why but it worked better for me than not crossing 
them.  Honda says to take off the plastic arround the crash bars 
front and rear and tie the bike down with straps to the steel support 
tubes, but I don't think this gives enough stability and its too much 
trouble.  In addition, the tie points are too low.

In stead of using the tripple clamps to tie to, you can use the 
handlebars.  There is a neat device that goes over the handle bar grips 
with a strap that threads through the opposite grip and then you tie 
the tie down strap to a loop at each respective end so that the whole 
schmere pulls up tight across the handle bars.  I have one and it works 
quite well if you don't have a cruise control.  The strap is made by 
a company called Canyon Dancer,  2040 Stoney Brook Drive,  Red Bluff,
California 96080, Ph. 916 527 7926.  The device is called a "Handle 
Bar Harness" , it costs about $27.95 retail from your favourite supplier.

I don't recommend using the rear passenger handles on the rear 
seat particularly with a loaded bike as this puts too much strain on
the trunk latches.

AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FERRY !!!

Juan, I will send you last years ferry info in the mail as soon as you 
E-Masil me your postal address.  

If you DO come on this trip how about spending a night with us here in 
Appleton WI, about 45 mins from Manitowoc.?

We would love to meet you -------
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:31:03 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

Juan, in a message dated 15 Nov you asked --
> 
Any info anyone can provide on the ferry that crosses
lake Michigan east to west?

SO HERE'S SOME SCOOP ---
> 
The ferry leaves from Manitowoc, WI and travels to Luddington,  It's 
about 60 miles and takes about 4 hours. I have made the trip several 
times.  Adults cost $33 one way and $55 return, there is a charge of 
$25 for a motorcycle.   Motorcycles must be tied down.  A steel 
grating parking area is provided and tie downs are available on board.
tying down the PC needs a little forethought since there is not much to 
tie to. More on how I did this later.

The ferry runs from mid May  through mid October.  In the Summer, from 
mid June to mid Aug, there are two trips a day.  In Spring and Fall 
there is only one. In summer departue time from Manitowoc are 1:00pm 
(1300hrscst) and 12:30am (0030hrscst). Departures from Luddington are 
at 7:30am (0730hrsEST) and 8:00pm (2000hrsEST), note the time change 
line runs down the middle of the lake. There are NO evenig sailing on 
hollidays like the 4th July or Labor day weekend.


Tying down the PC --

I installed soft ties on the rails under the seat so that they could 
be pulled out and stuffed back as needed.  They can be fitted with 
some fiddleing, one of those jobs YOU GOTTA BELIEVE it can be done 
'cause it looks impossible.  This will only work for the Factory seat, 
The Corbin fits too tight and even though you may be able to install 
the Corbin seat it will be impossible to extract the ties.

For the front I used soft ties arround the bottom tripple clamps and 
crossed them over so the one on the left fork tube went right etc.  
Don't remember why but it worked better for me than not crossing 
them.  Honda says to take off the plastic arround the crash bars 
front and rear and tie the bike down with straps to the steel support 
tubes, but I don't think this gives enough stability and its too much 
trouble.  In addition, the tie points are too low.

In stead of using the tripple clamps to tie to you can use the 
handlebars.  There is a neat device that goes over the handle bar grips 
with a strap that threads through the opposite grip and then you tie 
the tie down strap to a loop at each respective end so that the whole 
schmere pulls up tight across the handle bars.  I have one and it works 
quite well if you don't have a cruise control.  The strap is made by 
a company called Canyon Dancer,  2040 Stoney Brook Drive,  Red Bluff,
California 96080, Ph. 916 527 7926.  The device is called a "Handle 
Bar Harness" , it costs about $27.95 retail from your favourite supplier.

I don't recommend using the rear passenger handles on the rear 
seat particularly with a loaded bike as this puts too much strain on
the trunk latches.

AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FERRY !!!

Juan, I will send you last years ferry info in the mail as soon as you 
E-Masil me your postal address.  

If you DO come on this trip how about spending a night with us here in 
Appleton WI, about 45 mins from Manitowoc.?

We would love to meet you -------
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

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**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:12:38 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

> Date:          Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:21:51 -0900 (AKST)
> From:          "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
> Subject:       Re: Silence?
> To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu


Juan, in a message dated 15 Nov you asked --
> 
.  Any info anyone can provide on> the ferry that crosses
lake Michigan east to west?
> 
The ferry leaves from Manitowoc, WI and travels to Luddington,  It's 
about 60 miles and takes about 4 hours.  Motorcycles must be tied 
down.  A steel grating parking area is provided and tie downs are 
available on board.  Tieing down the PC needs a little forethought 
since there is not much to tie to. More on how I did this later.

The ferry runs from mid May  through mid October.  In the Summer, from 
mid June to mid Aug, there are two trips a day.  In Spring and Fall 
there is only one. In summer departue time from Manitowoc are 1:00pm 
(1300hrscst) and 12:30am (0030hrscst). Departures from Luddington are 
at 7:30am (0730hrsEST) and 8:00pm (2000hrsEST), note the time change 
line runs down the middle of the lake. There are NO evenig sailing on 
hollidays like the 4th July or Labor day weekend.

I installed soft ties on the rails under the seat so that they could 
be pulled out and stuffed bak as needed.  They can be fitted with 
some fiddleing, one of those jobs YOU GOTTA BELIEVE it can be done 
'caus it looks impossible.  This will only work for the Factory seat, 
The Corbin fits too tight and even though you may be able to install 
the Corbin seat it will be impossible to extract the ties.

For the front I used soft ties arround the bottom tripple clamps and 
crossed them over so the one on the left fork tube went right etc.  
Don't remember why but it worked better for me than not crossing 
them.  Honda Says to take off the plastic arround the crash bars 
front and rear and tie the bike downwith straps to the steel support 
tubes, but I don't think this gives enough stability and its too much 
trouble.  In addition, the tie points are too low.

There is a neat device that goes over  the handle bar grips 
with a strap that threads through the opposite grip and then you tie 
the tie down strap to a loop at each respective end so that the whole 
schmere pulls up tight across the handle bars.  I have one and it works 
quite well if you don't have a cruise control.  The strap is made by 
a company called Canyon Dancer,  2040 Stoney Brook Drive,  Red Bluff,
California 96080, Ph. 916 527 7926.  The device is called a "Handle 
Bar Harness" , it costs about $27.95 retail from your favourite supplier.

I don't recommend using the rear passenger handles on the rear 
seat particularly with a loaded bike as this puts too much strain on
the trunk latches.

AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FERRY !!!

Juan I will send you last years ferry info in the mail as soon as you 
E-Masil me your postal address.  

If you DO come on this trip how about spending a night with us here in 
Appleton WI, about 45 mins from Manitowoc.?

We would love to meet you -------

> 
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

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**********  MESSAGE SEPARATOR **********

From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:36:56 +0000
Subject:       Re: Silence?
Priority: normal

Sorry about the duplication!  I got my system screwed up , Pilot 
error Enjoy, keep the last message trash the other three.
John
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John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:51:48 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800

At 02:00 PM 11/17/95 -0600, you wrote:

>Is the new assembly any easier to operate?  Is there any good way to
>lubricate the cables?

Don't know yet, but will post as soon as I find out (and I  _will_  find out
this winter).

>He always rides at DOD nominal, though, so I suppose the
>lack of a speedo doesn't trouble him.

  (?)  DOD nominal?  is it like  "ahead three quarters?"
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:19:21 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: address for Bushtec

Sorry it took so long, but here it is:

BUSHTEC
180 Mount Paron Rd.
Jacksboro, TN 37757

Ph:  (423)562-9900
Fx:   (423)562-9911
Orders only: (800)BUSHTEC

Good luck!
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: 17 Nov 95 18:36:56 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Honda PC800 - a a real motorcycle?

<Reference the above subject: Can't a PC owner poke a 
little fun at himself? I can, and I often do just that!
<HSTA member Steve Guider, Ohio State Director, made 
some footshields for his PC800. He's not on the net. 
Contact him at 8430 CR 20, West Mansfield OH 43358, 
tel. 513/363-3523 for more info. He likes them!
<I've never needed such an item, since my Aerostich pants 
don't allow a lot of air up my legs.  Call toll-free 
1/800/222-1994 for the latest full color 100-page Aerostich catalog.
<I don't know when and if Honda modified the PC choke 
cable assembly, but the new one seems to work better 
than the original one ever did. It would be difficult short of 
removing bodywork, air cleaner,etc. to periodically 
oil/grease the cables. They are well shielded at several 
places by rubber boots, etc. I did put dialectric grease in 
the 90 degree metal tubular guides at the bottom of the cables. 
<I need to replace the original battery (after 5 years and 60,000 miles!)
in the near future. The best price I've secured is about $76 for a Yuasa 
or an Interstate. Any suggestions? It's obviously gotta be a sealed 
(maintenance-free) battery, considering the "inconvenient" location!
Where can I get the best price for an air filter for my "soap dish?"
DANA SAWYER, Founder, HSTA member #0001
AMA Life Member...AKA "The Fossil"



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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:56:37 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Jlai foot pegs

Johan
   I shipped out the footpeg extensions today.  UPS charges of $4.28.  Sent
ground.  Contents include the brackets complete with TWO wooden pads.  One
about 1/2" thick and another about 1 1/2" thick on TOP of that (my grandson
is REAL short).  You will also find two pair of washers.  These mount between
the brackets and the frame of the cycle.  The way they are bent allows you to
carefully rest them on the frame, then insert the bolt through the bracket
and into the frame.  They are needed since the real foot rest brackets have
an offset in them.

  Hope they work out for you.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:56:58 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Oshkosh Tour Report (Long)

The following is a tour report as written for our club newsletter.  The names
have not been changed to protect the innocent.



OSHKOSH or BUST !

I pulled out of my garage at 6:30 Friday the 18th
and headed down I-88 to Bainbridge where I ('89
Pacific Coast) joined up with Bob Wood on his '82
Silverwing, Ted Armstrong on his '86 Voyager XII,
and Les Goodrich on his '67 Harley.  A quick good-
bye to their wives and we headed out Rte 206 to
Whitney Point, on up to Lyle, up through Ithaca to
Waterloo where we followed Rte 20 west to
Lancaster and lunch. Along the way we stopped and
swapped short stories with Don and Ellen Bush and
Paul and Shirley Vandewerker who were headed to
Oshkosh by their own route. .  Our plan had been
to take I-290 north of Buffalo, but the locals
advised us to keep south and take the Peace Bridge
rather than the Rainbow Bridge.  We did.  After
consulting with Dick DeAngelo, we decided to
answer the customs people with short, precise
answers and avoided being strip searched etc. 

The old Map'N'Go program worked out well, except
that either it (or me) had a little problem in
Hamilton, ON.  We spent a little more time than we
liked in the hot city, following detours and
confirming our direction of travel with anyone who
would talk to hot, sweaty bikers.  Everyone really
was friendly and helpful.  We headed on northward
to Guelph (they tell me it's  "gwelf"), where the
battery on Ted's Voyager protested over the extra
load from new driving lights and all the lights on
the trailer.  Some helpful FREE advice from the
local Kawasaki dealer and a cool night in the
local Super 8 motel gave us the rest, a lead cord
to plug in Ted's trickle charger,  and  the
attitude change needed to start off early the next
morning.  Day one 359 miles.

We were on the road at 6:00 a.m.  It was cold and
foggy, but a nice cold and foggy.  The sun came up
to our east as we headed up Rte 6 with cabbage
fields and cattle sharing the morning stillness
with us. We stopped for breakfast 105 miles up the
road where we confirmed that we should have no
trouble meeting the time for the ferry but were
advised that most crossings had been FULLY BOOKED
on summer weekends and that we could NOT make
reservations for the 11:30 crossing.

We didn't need to worry, we arrived in Tobermory
at 9:30 a.m. and were the first bikes in line (
but not the first vehicles), the last sailing was
at 8:30 and there were several cars and campers
already waiting in the loading lines. (total
mileage so far today ... 153 miles. )

We were eventually joined in the loading lines by
five or six other bikes and a full load of cars
and campers.  The facilities in Tobermory are
quite pleasant, with shops for shopping and
restaurants for snacking, a sailing ship to
explore, and shaded grassy knolls to lounge on
while waiting for your ship to come in. Loading
was quick, with bikes being loaded first.  Some of
our fellow travelers (Canadian) had done it before
and offered helpful advice on tying the bikes down
( a job which was probably totally unnecessary on
this particular crossing).  The Chi-Cheemaun
sailed promptly at 11:30 as scheduled, and we
headed for the upper decks to watch the scenery go
by (and some of us headed for the cafeteria on the
ship to eat in good Retread fashion).  I
eventually found a hard but shaded and breezy spot
on the life vest lockers to stretch out for a
short cat nap.  The skies were clear and blue and
the water was incredibly blue too!  The twin
diesels packing 70,000 horsepower carried us
safely to South Beymouth where we were first off
the boat at 1:00 p.m.

The stretch of Rte 6 through the Manitoulin
Islands was one of the most picturesque roads we
encountered on the whole trip.  We spotted our
first unusual wildlife along this stretch where a
Bison was grazing not too far from the highway. 
Just before we reached the mainland the road
plunged and climbed through narrow rocky cuts
where every available inch was occupied by either
sparse vegetation or a pool of water. 

We headed west on the Trans Canadian Highway, and
decided to stop for the night in the town of
Thessalon.  Our only encounter with rain happened
(coincidentally?) just before we reached
Thessalon. The skies got dark, the air got cooler,
and we could see ahead of us what surely looked
like rain.  Thankfully we were hit by only a few
scattered drops!  It was now about 5:30 p.m. so
Bob and I decided that we were fresh enough to
pitch the tent.  Ted and Les signed in at
Carolyn's Lakeside Motel while Bob and I head
about 2000 feet up the road to what turned out to
be the Thessalon TOWN campground.  $ 10 for the
night, and they had decent showers and restrooms,
and a fifty foot dash put you on the beach and
into the North Channel of Lake Huron if you were
so inclined (I was, but only up to my ankles!).
Ted was a little upset about the lack of air
conditioning at the motel (AAA approved), but a
little checking around showed that NONE of the
motels had it, nor did they usually need it since
the air coming in from the lake cools things down
just fine (and it did by they time bedtime came
around).  Bike mileage for the day ... 324 miles
plus another 30 miles on the ferry.

Sunday morning we grabbed a quick breakfast at a
nearby restaurant and were on our way again at
about 7:00 a.m.  It was another cool morning and
as we got closer to Sault Ste Marie, the fog
became rather thick.  In other words, Les, Ted,
and Bob said "How in the HELL can you see where
you're going?  The irony in this lies in the fact
that Ted almost always wanted me to go faster, but
in this case I had to keep slowing down in order
to be able to keep track of them in the rearview
mirrors.  I really thought I could see good enough
to go as fast as I was (I was looking OVER my
windshield ... they were looking THROUGH theirs),
and I was worried about a fast driver coming up
and rear-ending the last bike.  Bob was the last
bike, and in fact a semi did come up on him.  The
shoulders on the roads are coarse rough gravel, so
Bob was hugging the edge and praying.  We're all
here so you know all's well that ends well.

We crossed the International Bridge into Michigan
(I think we came across a bridge ... it was so
foggy we couldn't see anything !!!).  A quick stop
for some gas, exchange left over Canadian money
for greenbacks, and we were off to the south. 
Map'N'Go sent us across county route 40 through
the Hiawatha National Forest.  The map showed a
straight stretch of road for what appeared to be
15 miles.  We didn't check our odometers, but I
wouldn't be surprised if the map was correct.  I
don't think I've ever been on such a straight road
(two lane, remote forested area).  We stopped for
lunch in Manistique at 11:45 , then headed on
south.  At about 4:00 we stopped at a roadside
rest area for a drink and a conference about the
map and the upcoming route.  We then realized that
we had crossed into the Central time zone and at
least as far as the rest of the world was
concerned were only in the middle of the
afternoon.  We realized that it was only about 80
miles to Oshkosh so we decided to party on!  We
should have stopped one more time to check the
rally flyer but we didn't and managed to get off
at the wrong exit in Oshkosh so we had to do a
little more interrogation of the natives but we
managed to find the Convention Center, sign in and
register, and then find the Super 8 motel for Ted
and Les, and the Circle R campground for Bob and
me.  Both facilities managed to accommodate us
even though we had arrived a night ahead of the
reservations we had made.  6:30 p.m. (Central) and
397 miles for the day. 

THE RALLY

Monday morning at the rally was spent shopping at
the EXPO in the convention center... shirts,
nametags, hats, pins ..... how the money goes !!! 
I had decided that I was definitely going to take
some demo rides on some BIG bikes.  HD was there
and I quickly jumped in line and headed out on the
FLHTCU-I Electra Glide Ultra Classic (big dresser,
fuel injected).  I would guess that they had an 8
to 10 mile loop mapped out which gave a taste of
urban, suburban and highway riding.  If you want
to know my impression, just ask me ....

Honda demo rides were advertised but there wasn't
a sign of any bikes, so Bob and I along with Dick
DeAngelo and Mike Parrella (also staying at Circle
R) decided to take the shuttle bus to the EAA
museum while Mickey and Cathy rode the shuttle to
the Outlet Stores.  What a great museum.  The two
and a half hours allotted was NOT enough time, and
we advised anyone we talked with to ride their
bikes to the museum so that they could spend three
or four hours !!!

Monday evening an ice cream social was scheduled
for the convention center.  It was a hot day, and
I expect that the turnout was more than
anticipated.  If there was a low point of the
rally it was the social, but eventually everyone
got some ice cream, spent some time in an air
conditioned hall, possibly heard a barbershop
quartet sing, complained about the planning ....
but really didn't care and had a good time anyway!

Tuesday morning I hurried to the expo area and
confirmed the rumor that the local Honda dealer
was there and had bikes for demo rides.  I think I
was the first one out !!!  To make a good
comparison, I rode the Goldwing over the same
route that HD was using.  I tried the reverse, I
tried the radio... I didn't play with cruise
control nor the CB.  I did play dodge the
imaginary pot holes.  I liked it!!!

Dick DeAngelo had won a drawing at the ice cream
social.  It was a $50 gift certificate from the HD
dealer in Salt City, WI.  Redeemable only at his
shop .... Dick very generously gave it to Bob Wood
who rode the 240 mile round trip and although
searching for a vest (toooooooo expensive)
purchased instead a pewter collectors edition HD. 
While Bob was making his trek, I decided to do a
little laundry, and then the breeze, the shade,
the air mattress .... all conspired to make me
take the afternoon off for some NAP TIME.

Tuesday night, the Kiwanis club hosted a corn
roast, bratwurst, hamburger ... dinner at the
county fairgrounds. It was good and there was
plenty to go around.  Line dancing lessons
followed and Ellen and Shirley joined in while
Don, Paul, Dick, Mike, Bob, Ted, Les, and I (but I
was forced into it) studied the trials and
tribulations of a poor mis-shapen  young girl
whose long legs seemed to make it difficult for
her to follow the instructions of the dance
teacher.  We felt so sorry for her........

Wednesday Bob and I signed up for the DOOR COUNTY
tour.  Door County is on the upper peninsula which
extends out into lake Michigan.  It is quite
scenic country.  Our tour leaders took us to
Sister Bay and Sturgeon Bay (where we ate lunch),
a quick zip through a state park and then back to
Oshkosh in plenty of time for the scheduled
parade.  This tour covered approximately 280
miles!  The parade assembled in the county park
north of Oshkosh and traveled down the main street
to the convention center where a dance was held. 
Several of the North Country Retreads were there
to represent NYS but only Bob, Carey and Chris
Hill and myself showed up to represent the Hudson
Highlands.  A combination of the heat, bugs, and
lack of communication  about the "type" of parade
was the cause.  Heck , I goofed off myself the day
before.  The parade really zipped down the street. 
I was chugging along in THIRD gear almost all the
way.  The streets were lined with people young and
old and they all seem genuinely happy to see us
and smiled and waved profusely.

After the parade, Bob didn't want to dance with me
so we decided to try out a local hot spot where
service was by roller skating car hops.  The food
was good and it was fun to watch the girls skate
around (very quickly!) balancing the trays as they
served to cars and picnic tables.  While we were
eating, the skies grew very black over lake
Winnebago and we could see the lightning flashing. 
We gulped our meals down and made a dash for the
campground.  After quickly unloading and securing
our bikes we retired to the recreation hall for
the worst of the storm.  I had to take off shoes
and socks and roll up my pants and walk through
ankle deep water to get to the tent which
thankfully was on high enough ground to have kept
our sleeping gear dry.  It rained a little more
during the night but thankfully no more downpours!

Thursday morning looked a little gloomy, but I had
signed up for a tour to Old World in southern
Wisconsin, while Bob had decided to rest up.  I
came out of the tent to find my bike on it's side
with the kickstand and the metal plate I rest it
on  buried totally in the ground.  I managed to
get it up without having to wake up any of my
neighbors (pulling an earthworm up on the stand in
the process!).  Their were only six of us on this
tour (weather, last day) but we had a good time. 
Two of the riders were a husband and wife from
Maine who were on their way HOME after having
ridden their Honda Shadows to California and back. 
(They were the winners of the long distance by any
route plaque).  Very nice people. Old World was a
bit like the Farmers Museum only with several
villages each representing one of the ethnic
groups that settled in the region.  Again this was
a visit that could have take a whole day inside
the grounds.  Our 180 mile round trip limited us
to about three hours on site.

As I returned to the campground just shortly
before 5:00 p.m. under threatening skies, I
noticed many people standing around the steps of
the camp store.  A quick check revealed that
someone had arranged for a bus to pick us up ,
take us to the banquet, and then return us to the
campground for the measly fee of $2.  By the time
the bus arrived, about 68 campers were waiting !! 
It didn't rain, but the fun we had on the bus was
worth $2 easily.  It was a little crowded and you
can use your imagination to visualize 68 Retreads
on a 72 passenger bus (72 school children size). 
Some of those guys had really talented cheeks !

The banquet was good, everything ran smoothly, the
speakers spoke shortly, the awards were quickly
awarded, and too soon we were back on the bus
headed to the campground and the prospect of
heading home in the morning.

WESTERVILLE then HOME

During the night it had been raining softly and I
slept fitfully thinking of the options if it was
raining too hard to pack up the tent and head
home, however by wakeup time  (Bob and I both woke
about 5:30) the rain had stopped.  A quick shower
and we packed the gear and the tent and headed for
the Super 8 to meet Les and Ted.  We headed south
on Rte 41 stopping at the Plainview truck stop for
some of those Biscuits and Gravy and at 7:30 we
were on our way south.  We skirted Chicago, where
I donated large sums of change to the ground in
one of the toll booths.  We thought the traffic
was not TOO bad.  South of Chicago we took Rte 30
south east to Fort Wayne , IN where we checked
into a very reasonable Motel 6 for the night. 
5:00 p.m. and 342 miles.  

Saturday morning, Bob and I grabbed a quick
breakfast and said good-bye to Les and Ted who
decided to head back north to pick up I-80 and the
fast way home.  Friendly truckers at breakfast
suggested that we take Rte 33 south toward
Columbus and advised us the proper technique and
speed to time the traffic lights at this time of
day (5:30 a.m.).  We did it ... they were right
... Rte 33 proved to be a pleasant road to ride. 
At 9:20 a.m. we pulled into Westerville.  Although
the AMA museum had posted Saturday hours of 10
a.m. , they were open, we did visit , we did spend
some money, we did enjoy it.

We left Westerville, heading north on Rte 3 and
hitting I-71 then I-76 heading east. Chicago was
NOTHING compared to the AKRON area !!!! Then I-80
east into Pennsylvania where we left I-80 and
headed north along Rte 68 and Rte 66 into the Cook
Forest area where we happened onto the Kalyumet
Campground (same one used by PA Retreads for a
rally earlier this year).   This was our most
eventful night on the road.  We passed through
Knox PA and virtually led the parade for their
"Horsethief Days" festival.  Just outside of town
a large black bear ran across in front of us (hard
but not emergency braking), and both Bob and I
managed to tip our bikes over in some rough gravel
conditions.  On the bright side, the campground
facilities were super, and for $12, we camped for
the night and enjoyed a free corn and hot dog
roast which the owner happened to be offering that
night !!!  5:30 p.m. and 410 miles.

The campground was peaceful with everyone seeming
to obey the 10 p.m. silence decree and Bob and I
woke up about 5:30 and caught a quick shower
before packing the tent and the bikes.  Our end of
the trip luck seemed to be continuing as Bob's
battery was DEAD.  After some grunting and
groaning (well, quite a bit) we push started his
bike and then headed for the nearest restaurant
for some food and rest! After carefully parking
his bike on a slight grade (as we did for the rest
of the day), it was no problem to push start it
this time, and by 8:00 a.m. we were on the road
again.  We rode Rte 6 across Pennsylvania until we
hit Rte 220 which we took north to Sayre, and then
it was Rte 17 and I-81 back home.  Bob dropped off
in Sidney and I continued on home where I turned
the bike off at 2:30 p.m. with 309 miles for the
day.

I don't know what the trip cost me but I do know I
had a great time.  I will find out the cost when
the credit card bills start coming in!  I tried to
use the credit card in Canada and for all
gasoline.  It seemed to work pretty well.  My
calculations showed 2749 miles from my door to my
door.  Ted's bike is  for touring, Les qualifies
for the Iron Butt Rally, Bob paid a price for his
long days in the saddle, and I had no problem ...
due mostly to the use of the Allyn air seat on top
of the hard Corbin saddle.

Next year Pigeon Forge, TN  (Map'N'Go says it's
only 752 miles !!!!)

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:56:50 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Blistered Butt Tour Report

A tour report as published in our club newsletter

Saturday morning June 24th, I awoke just before the
alarm set for 5:40 am went off.  Yes, today is the day
of Wayne Stinson's Blistered Butt Tour.  Wayne is one
of the founders of the Leatherstocking Touring Society
based in Cobleskill, NY.  The invitation was specific
in that it would be a 12 hour ride, 400+ miles, 1.5
hours or more between stops, good physical condition,
no more than five cycles, and inclusion at his
discretion.  What it did not say was that you should be
a little crazy too!  

A quick shower, bowl of cereal, cup of coffee (not
necessarily in that order), and at 6:30 I headed out to
meet Wayne at the rendezvous point 25 miles from my
house.  We met, gassed up the cycles, and left
Cobleskill to pick up the next rider at 7:00 am.  We
took the 'short cut' over the mountains to Sloansville
on Route 20 where we literally vacuumed up the next
rider Don Largeteau and his teenaged grandson Michael. 
As we zipped by they were sucked out onto the highway
and stuck to my tail light as we headed up Rte 30A to
Johnstown were we stopped for a Friendly breakfast and
met our final riding partner, Art Adams from Fort
Plain, NY.  We were a mixed crew, Wayne on his BMW
R100RS, Don on his 85 Goldwing, Me on my Pacific Coast,
and Art on (please forgive me) a Harley low rider ( I
just can't keep all those FL, XT, HT, ??? straight) of
some sort.

After a somewhat hearty and leisurely breakfast, we
headed on out, riding scenic Rte 30 north through
Speculator, Indian Lake, Blue Mountain Lake and Long
Lake where we stopped once again for gas and a brief
stretch period.  From Long Lake to Tupper Lake there is
a little construction going on, with short stretches of 
blacktop being reduced to dirt road (much the same as
they did on Rte 10 in the summer of '94).   Route 30 is
marked as being scenic on the map, but in my opinion it
is pretty bland once you leave the Adirondack Park
above Saranac Lake.

We stopped for lunch in Malone.  I forgot to write
times down, but it was somewhere around 2 p.m. when we
headed east on Rte 11 to Champlain where we crossed
Lake Champlain on the New York - Vermont bridge.  We
stopped for ice cream and gas in Swanton, VT, where we
heard the tales of the recent visit of the Grateful
Dead and their performance at the local airfield and
the activities of the 100,000 or so Deadheads who
inundated the area.

After gassing up, we headed on south, following Rte 108
through the Mansfield State Forest, and a tricky little
ride through Smuggler's Notch.  This is not a 'fun'
ride in the sense that you can twist and turn through
the corners, since they are too sharp, too steep, and
there is too much traffic in cars, bikes and hikers,
but it is certainly beautiful country.

At Stowe, we headed south on Rte 100 following it until
we hit PICO Ski center at the junction of Rte 4 which
we took into Rutland for a relaxing meal at the
Ponderosa Steak House.  It was at this point that I
began to get suspicious of the 12 hour ride theory
since as a group we had already been on the road for a
little OVER 12 hours. Well the rest of Wayne's
requirements seemed to have been met.  We did ride for
long periods without stopping, we did ride fast, there
were only four crazy bikers, etc.

After supper we headed east on Rte 4 back into New
York.  I remember looking at the little stick on clock
on my dash and seeing 9:00 as we crossed the Vermont-
New York line.  I don't know if it was the "BOLD ONE"
back support belt I had been wearing (rather tightly)
all day and the rider portion of an Allyn air seat that
I had mounted on top of my Corbin aftermarket but
pretty da*ned hard seat but I really was NOT feeling
tired or sore.  I have felt tired and sore on a lot
shorter rides in the recent past, but wasn't using one
or the other of those remedies.  Anyway ... it was
pretty obvious that we were going to be riding for a
few more hours in the New York dark, not one of my
favorite things, since the deer population seems to be
very high and prone to jump in front of any vehicle
foolish enough to venture out in the country darkness.

The rest of the journey wasn't scenic or eventful so
I'll just wrap it up with a little 'route' information. 
We stayed on Rte 4 , then Rte 149 until we hit the
Northway (I-87) and headed south toward Albany.  At
Saratoga we suffered a lack of communication, and Wayne
slipped into the darkness ( or actually glare of
lights) as Art, Don, and I exited.  By the time we
realized that we had lost Wayne, we rationalized that
we were all big boys (big DUMB boys), and that Wayne
would get home fine, and we could too.  Art went his
own way home to Fort Plain.  Don and I decided to
follow Rte 50 south to Ballston Spa, and then Rte 67
east to Amsterdam where we once again picked up Rte 30
south.  I left Don at the junction of Rte 30 and Rte 20
where a late night Stewarts was still serving gas and
coffee (I wanted both!).  From there I headed east on
Rte 20 to Sharon Springs and the junction with Rte 10. 
South on Rte 10, then East on Rte 165, and finally a
familiar county Rte 34 brought me home to a hot shower
and bed.  

Short version:  52 year old lunatic boards bike at 6:30
am, rides 599 miles, returns home at 12:30 am.  Would
do it again (but not too soon).  Don't call us, we'll
call you.

By the way, the lower back and butt were just fine, but
toward the end of the ride, the TENSION of watching for deer
THROUGH the windshield, and the falling late night
temperatures, did cause some stiffness at the base of my
neck, which was not present when I awoke this morning.  I
did get on the bike again this morning and ride
approximately 40 miles on errands, but when I returned home,
I felt the tiredness coming on and I was WORTHLESS for most
of the day, napping and loafing. 

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com 


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Date:     Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:04 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC Air Filter 

Dana wrote:

>Where can I get the best price for an air filter for my "soap dish?"

I don't know, Dana, but when you find out let me know, too.  The price
Honda wants for the stock one is way outta' line!  There are enough
of the things around now that you'd think K&N would come up w/ one! 
Their's wouldn't be much cheaper, but at least it would last longer!

Later....
Cory

From owner-pc800  Fri Nov 17 19:25:55 1995

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:25:50 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800

In a message dated 95-11-17 16:21:50 EST, you write:

>I broke the plastic piece holding the choke cable assembly to the bracket
>near
>the ignition switch.

I broke mine too.  It happened in Oshkosh, and I think someone may have been
'looking over' my bike and pushed SIDEWAYS on the button.  At any rate when I
found the price and thought about the labor involved in changing it I decided
that it wasn't any big problem.  The PC is quite warm-blooded (at least mine
is), so I usually only have to choke it on the first start of the day anyway
so here is my method ...

Insert ignition key alongside (front) of choke button.  Hold down on key
while pulling up on choke button.  Put key in ignition.  Start bike.
 Gradually push choke in as bike warms up.  Save $47 !!!

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:25:48 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question

In a message dated 95-11-17 16:38:58 EST, you write:

>since the feet are just
>about the only part that does not benefit from the PC's excellent fairing.
>Let me know if you come up with something.

Actually I think the feet are protected IF you keep them flat on the
footrests and keep the arch of your foot over the peg.  If you put your heels
on the peg, then your toes point down and scoop up the air.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:35:50 -0600
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu>

>>>>> "R" == RETREADNY  <RETREADNY@aol.com> writes:

R> Actually I think the feet are protected IF you keep them flat on the
R> footrests and keep the arch of your foot over the peg.  If you put your
R> heels on the peg, then your toes point down and scoop up the air.

I agree.  If I'm on the freeway in 4th getting ready to upshift I get an
occasional blast of air that on cold days feels like someone is shooting
ice cubes at my nether regions.  Putting my foot flat on the peg mostly
cures it, but the only way to get rid of the problem completely is to tuck
my pantlegs into my boots.  I have an Aerostich and it doesn't really make
much difference.

 - J<


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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:53:36 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question

At 08:25 PM 11/17/95 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 95-11-17 16:38:58 EST, you write:
>
>>since the feet are just
>>about the only part that does not benefit from the PC's excellent fairing.
>>Let me know if you come up with something.
>
>Actually I think the feet are protected IF you keep them flat on the
>footrests and keep the arch of your foot over the peg.  If you put your heels
>on the peg, then your toes point down and scoop up the air.

True, but on rides longer than 25 miles or so you tend to start shifting
your feet around.  Ever try to keep your feet in one position  for a long
while?  Even the best riding position becomes a torture rack.  That is one
of the reasons the PC is so comfortable, it gives you room to move around
and change your position from time to time.

Enjoy the weekend everyone!
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:36:35 -0500
From: DANCOTE@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Electric gear (was: Silence)

In a message dated 95-11-16 01:46:49 EST, you write:

>My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. 

Whoa. I went to school in Oklahoma in the 60's. And the coldest ride I ever
had in my life was there. Had to peel my frozen fingers from the handgrips at
the coffee stop and the women (passengers) refused to ride back to Norman
with us. Real expensive taxis in Oklahoma as I recall.

Dan

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:54:47 -0800

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:54:47 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Blistered Butt Tour Report

>A tour report as published in our club newsletter
>
. . . 
>Wes St.Onge
>RETREADNY@aol.com 


I am grovelling in mortification.  I am unworthy to even be in the same
cyberspace with such an indefatigable rider of motorcycles....

I gotta get on of them there belt thingies.........
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:00:08 -0800

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:00:08 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: wind blast

Brother Dave pointed out to me that if you move your feet to the outside of
the pegs, the warm air from the engine vents counters the chill quite
nicely.  Nice change of position for my short little legs, too.
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


 17 Nov 1995 22:23:19 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:19:23 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Electric gear (was: Silence)
 (from DANCOTE@aol.com) (at Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:36:35 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi DANCOTE (DANCOTE), in <951117213634_109649557@emout05.mail.aol.com> on Nov 17 you wrote:

> >My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. 
> 
> Whoa. I went to school in Oklahoma in the 60's. And the coldest ride I ever

Agreed. I lived there for 10 years. Rode year-round. Often rode in
sub-zero temps. And sub-zero with a 20+ mph headwind coupled with 
normal riding speeds gets you pretty cold pretty fast. Sure, it can
be beat, but it's certainly nothing to sneeze at...

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: PC 800 Question
	     (from RETREADNY@aol.com)
	     (at Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:25:48 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 22:22:49 CST

Hi RETREADNY (RETREADNY), in <951117202547_85866174@mail02.mail.aol.com> on Nov 17 you wrote:

> Actually I think the feet are protected IF you keep them flat on the
> footrests and keep the arch of your foot over the peg.  If you put your heels
> on the peg, then your toes point down and scoop up the air.

That does work some, but below freezing for two hours still finally
makes it through heavy boots and two layers of socks. :^)  I've
experimented with strap-on boot-shields a bit (to deflect the wind),
but haven't come up with anything that I'd keep using.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:51:21 +0000
Subject:       Re: Oshkosh Tour Report (Long)
Priority: normal

OSKOSH OR BUST !!  That was a great write up thanks for sharing your 
experiences with us on this list.  Great job  !!!!!!!!!!
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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From: Michael S Keller <mskeller@ionet.net>
Subject: Electric Gear
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:22:38 -0600 (CST)
Cc: mskeller@ion1.ionet.net (Michael S Keller)

> 
> Hi DANCOTE (DANCOTE), in <951117213634_109649557@emout05.mail.aol.com> on Nov 17 you wrote:
> 
> > >My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. 
> > 
> > Whoa. I went to school in Oklahoma in the 60's. And the coldest ride I ever
> 
> Agreed. I lived there for 10 years. Rode year-round. Often rode in
> sub-zero temps. And sub-zero with a 20+ mph headwind coupled with 
> normal riding speeds gets you pretty cold pretty fast. Sure, it can
> be beat, but it's certainly nothing to sneeze at...
> 

None of this answers my question: what electric gear do you use, how well
does it work and how cold does it get before even electric gloves and other
bits don't do enough to keep you going?

-Michael

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:22:03 -0800

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:22:03 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Broken choke cable assembly on PC800

and my choke won't stay up by itself.....grrrrrr


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



 18 Nov 1995 10:50:08 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 10:46:16 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Electric Gear
 (from Michael S Keller <mskeller@ionet.net>)
 (at Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:22:38 -0600 (CST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Michael (Michael S Keller), in <199511180622.AAA04441@ion1.ionet.net> on Nov 18 you wrote:

> > Agreed. I lived there for 10 years. Rode year-round. Often rode in
> > sub-zero temps. And sub-zero with a 20+ mph headwind coupled with 
> 
> None of this answers my question: what electric gear do you use, how well
> does it work and how cold does it get before even electric gloves and other
> bits don't do enough to keep you going?

I've been riding for over 30 years and never used any electic gear.
This means that I can typically ride around freezing for about 3-4 
hours, around 20 deg for about an hour, and around zero for about
20 minutes (which gets me anywhere I *have* to go).  I don't use
any fancy, expensive gear either. I do have some old Spartan MC 
cold-weather coveralls that I paid $65 on special for about 12 
years ago that I pull out of the closet when it gets below 
freezing. Keeping warm is mostly in how you dress.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:58:43 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-16 01:11:19 EST, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
writes:

>Cory, I've been through ND.  Nothing personal, but it's about two days of
>nothin!  OTOH, SD has the badlands, which woulda been neat absent the
>fog......

Steve,

Interesting that you should mention that.  I toured through the badlands in
1960 on a BMW R69s and it was foggy as sin.  I guess some things never
change...

>>Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. <<

I notice that you use this tagline more or less exclusively.  Are you a
lawyer by any chance?  (If so, we have something in common -- if not then
enough of this cheap talk <grin>!)


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:22:52 -0800

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 09:22:52 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Silence?


>Steve,
>
>Interesting that you should mention that.  I toured through the badlands in
>1960 on a BMW R69s and it was foggy as sin.  I guess some things never
>change...

Ted, was it at the end of March, by any chance?  I thought it might be a
seasonal thing....

 Are you a lawyer by any chance? (If so, we have something in common -- if
not then enough of this cheap talk <grin>!)

Yup.  Don't tell my Mom.  She thinks I do something useful. :)  

Besides, I don't hae enough imagination to change taglines....



***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


 18 Nov 1995 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:33:02 -0800
From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain)
Subject: Support belt
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I bought one of those support belts and find it helps a lot.  Caution; it
does not remove all the fatigue.  I'm tall and a bit over 40 :-) so my back
can be a problem but I determined not to have that interfere with my
riding.  When I was looking for a used PC800, I called one guy and he said
he was selling because of his back.

I ordered the catalogue for the rider backrest that bolts to the rear seat.
I'm tempted to go ahead and make this modification.  Has anyone done this
already?  Are the bolts through the rear seat ugly?

 |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
 |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
 |    EDS Unigraphics         | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com  |
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Date:     Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:24 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: Silence?


>>Steve,
>>
>>Interesting that you should mention that.  I toured through the badlands in
>>1960 on a BMW R69s and it was foggy as sin.  I guess some things never
>>change...

>Ted, was it at the end of March, by any chance?  I thought it might be a
>seasonal thing....

>Are you a lawyer by any chance? (If so, we have something in common -- if
>not then enough of this cheap talk <grin>!)

>Yup.  Don't tell my Mom.  She thinks I do something useful. :)  

>Besides, I don't hae enough imagination to change taglines...

Guess my talk is even cheaper, I'm only a paralegal!
Cory

From owner-pc800  Sat Nov 18 14:41:09 1995

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:41:21 -0700
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson)

Howdy!

I'm new to the PC800 list, and want to say "Hello". I have only read a few
messages, so I don't know the exact protocol, but thought I'd respond to
the questions in the introductory page of the list, then tell you a bit
about some tours I have taken.

One thing first, though. One of the topics in the messages I read was cold
hands and feet, electric gloves, foot pegs to protect one's feet. , etc.

I have the answer.

Move to Tucson.

I don't mean to make anyone jealous, (Yes, I do!) but the temperature right
now is 81, and it's been so long since I've seen a cloud that I forget what
they look like. Oh, well, one more day in paradise!  ( I guess I won't talk
about riding when the temperature is 115)

My name is Ed Johnson; e-mail address is above, but just in case, it's
edjohns@azstarnet.com Starnet is a direct internet provider run by our
local newspaper. (Costs $20. a month for unlimited use. When my AOL bill
got to be over $30., I switched). My snail mail address is 3773 E. Marble
Peak Pl., Tucson, AZ., 85718.

I have an '89 PC, 60,000 miles, which I love. I bought it used, in the
middle of '89, for $3500.; about half the price of a new one then. I've
been congratulating myself ever since. The only modification I have made to
the bike I have regretted; a set of those air  wings which are intended to
direct air toward or away from your body, depending on the temperature.
They don't seem to me to make any difference.

The bike replaced a Silverwing that I bought new in '81, my first bike. I
had never ridden a motorcycle before. For that matter, the very first time
I ever sat on a motorcycle was the time I drove the Silverwing home from
the dealer. I shortly thereafter took a one day course, I think offered by
the AMA.. I put 140,000 miles on the Silverwing before donating it to my
son-in-law in '89.

The only accident I ever had was in Southern Texas, on the start of a cross
country trip. I hit a deer when I was going pretty fast, and went off the
bike. No long bones broken, but several ribs, and more sutures than I like
to think about. Then two weeks in a hospital in Del Rio, Texas, not the
health capital of the world, followed by a difficult Amtrak ride home, and
another 10 days in a hospital. But now I've had my one accident, so I don't
even have to be careful anymore. (Just kidding!)

While I was still working, (teaching management at a community college) I
used the bike to commute, and took a number of long trips in the summers.
Now that I am retired, I use it for trips around town, lots of day trips in
beautiful Southern Arizona, some two to four day trips to New Mexico,
Colorado, Las Vegas and such, and some long tours. I almost always go solo,
and love the independence. I'm not really asocial, but after years of my
mother telling me  what to do, then a wife, (two, actually) and kids saying
"When are we going to get there?  as you start out of the driveway on a car
trip, or "I have to go to the bathroom", it's kind of neat not to have to
negotiate nuthin' with nobody. Anyone know what I mean?

I'm talking too much, so I'll just try to summarize some of the trips I've
taken.

One was a cross country jaunt, about 8 weeks, in 1988. I went from Tucson,
diagonally across the country to Maine, where I attended my 35th University
of Maine reunion. (I thought getting there on a bike was a big deal, but
nobody seemed to pay any attention.) Then it was visiting some family in
Maine, the Blue Nose ferry to Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, around the edge of
Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, then across Canada on the Trans
Canada highway. I thought I knew something about mosquitoes, having lived
in Maine and done basic training in New Jersey. But I learned a lot more in
Ontario! I had planned to go West to the coast, but got a bit tired, so
about Regina I hung a left and came home.

I have taken two guided tours into Mexico with Pancho Villa tours of El
Paso. One was an 800 mile loop into Chihuahua, including a great ride on
the train into Copper Canyon. The other left from McAllen, near
Brownsville, and went deep into Colonial Mexico, I think a round trip of
about 1800 miles, including San Miguel de Allende. It was a delightful
trip, beautiful architecture, fine people, great hospitality. I can
enthusiastically recommend Pancho Villa tours.

Another biggie was in the summer of '94. From Tucson, to Canyon de Chelly,
into New Mexico, a ride on the Chama-Antonito narrow gauge, Canyonlands and
Arches National parks, a raft ride on the Colorado, Dinosaur and Flaming
Gorge Recreation areas, Jackson Hole, the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone.
Then Glacier Park, Waterton Park in Alberta, and right through the heart of
the Canadian Rockies- Banff, Lake Louise and Jasper. Then across BC to the
coast, just a few miles from the Alaska border. Then a wonderful 14 hour
ferry ride, through incredible islands, to the Northern tip of Vancouver
Island. Then driving the length of the island to Victoria, and another
short ferry ride back to the USA. Then around the Olympic Peninsula in
Washington, and down the Washington and Oregon coasts. Several interesting
rides, like a mail boat trip on the Rogue River in Oregon, and the Skunk
train in California. I stopped to visit a friend in San Francisco, then
headed home including a stop at Yosemite, and through the magnificent
Mojave desert. About 7,000 miles, 5 weeks, and 12 states or provinces. It
was the time of my life.

Enough. Sorry I have run on so much. I look forward to hearing about your
adventures.

Warm regards-

Ed Johnson




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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:21:59 -0500
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Replacing hoses

Has anyone changed the various hoses on the PC? I've had my bike for 3
years now and wonder if I should change the radiator and gas lines in
particular. Any thoughts?

Jeff Hamilton


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:21:55 -0500
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Blistered Butt Tour Report

Wes:

Thanks for the great write up! I really enjoyed it. I'm not really up for
rides 
over about 350 miles, just too uncomfortable. However, the more the 
miles are twisties and not highway, the longer I can go. :)

Jeff Hamilton


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:21:58 -0500
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: No Subject

Ed:

Welcome! Interesting story about your background. I've only taken one
significant trip. My wife and I went from Southern California to Avon,
Colorado
and back 3 years ago to attend the HSTA rally. We stopped in Sedona, AZ, 
and Durango, CO on the way out, Moab, UT, Bryce Canyon, UT and Las Vegas
on the return. It was a fabulous experience. We rode with several others, the
weather was great (only 1 hour of rain the whole trip), the scenery was
fantastic
and the riding excellent. For those of you who haven't experienced the 
"Million Dollar Highway" (550?) in southwest Colorado, you must ride it
someday.
This trip also had one of the worst rides of my life. We left 9,000 foot
Bryce Canyon
at about 8 a.m. and about 60 degrees. By the time we hit St. George it was
100
degrees at 11 a.m. I whined to my wife that "maybe we shouldn't try to go on
to Vegas, since it will get hotter and it's still 3 hours away." We decided
to proceed
and thought we were going to die. We survived by continually soaking
ourselves with
water from a canteen.

Jeff Hamilton


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:21:53 -0500
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Electric gear (was: Silence)

In a message dated 95-11-16 01:46:47 EST, you write:

>From:	mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller)
>Reply-to:	pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Earlier, Mike wrote:

>To:	pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
>
>Seriously,
>
>What kind of performance can I expect from electric gear? Gerbing sells a
>wider variety of products than the last Widder flyer I saw (jackets, pants,
>socks). My hands get cold too easily, even in the mild Oklahoma winters. I
>don't know yet that I need a vest with my nice First Gear lined jacket and
>Spartan suit, but something for my hands. . . .

I use a Widder vest and, although I like it, I find that I wish I had one of
Gerbing's
electric jackets to keep my arms warm. I also need the electric gloves. The 
people I've talked to who have the gloves love them.

Jeff Hamilton


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Date:     Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:13 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: Ed Johnson

Ed,

I'll add my welcome, too!  Our weather has something in common....extremes!
Greetings from North Pole, Alaska!

Cory

From owner-pc800  Sat Nov 18 19:56:42 1995
Comments: Authenticated sender is <kc@sundial.net>

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From: "Nick G." <kc@sundial.sundial.net>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:57:03 +0000
Subject: info on me and my Pacific Coast
Priority: normal

Nick G.
Tavares, FL
kc@sundial.sundial.net
1989 white PC
Bought it new in 1991, right out of the box
installed lights inside the trunk compartments and carpeted trunk.
Nick G.


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:12:02 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Electric Gear

At 12:22 AM 11/18/95 -0600, you wrote:

>None of this answers my question: what electric gear do you use, how well
>does it work and how cold does it get before even electric gloves and other
>bits don't do enough to keep you going?


The only electric gear I've had to use is a set of heated grips.  They make
cold rides (down to the low 20's) a hundred times more enjoyable.  I'm sure
that if you combine them with hippo hands thay could take the comfort level
to even lower temperatures, but by that point I park the bike and start
riding my snowmobile (also with heated grips)  : - )
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:47:12 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: Fuel Consumption -Reply

At 10:58 AM 11/15/95 -0800, you wrote:

>>If you put blocks of wood on the pegs, they won't flip up properly.  I was
>>thinking of some of those platform sneakers that I see in the stores lately.
>> With ankle coverage they might even satisfy (probably not thrill but
>>maybe satisfy) an MSF instructor.  What do you think Cory?  
>
>Hmmmmm.... just checked my books, really doesn't say anything about it, but
>I would think that PLATFORMS would be OK, but 5" spike heels might pose
>a bit of a hazard.  HOWEVER, if one is very FIRM in planiting such a
>heel into the ground at the initiation of a turn (with the proper head
>turn, too, of course!) it could serve to shorten your turning radius by
>a good margin, kinna' like a "bat turn."  Let me know how it works,
>Juan.


Been there, tried that.  No "Bat Turn", Dang high heels keep breaking before
the turn reaches 90 degrees

                        : - )
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:57:22 -0800

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:57:22 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: web page

hi gang...go check this out..and look for DREAM

http://www.highwayone.com/hitch/hom.html


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date:     Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:19 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Fuel Consumption -Reply


>Been there, tried that.  No "Bat Turn", Dang high heels keep breaking before
>the turn reaches 90 degrees


Yer goin' too dang fast, then, hot dog!  I may have to take back what I 
said about you bein' a good rider!

Later....
C


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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:42:56 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?

At 12:03 PM 11/16/95 -0600, you wrote:

>My trailer only weights about 130 lbs dead weight fully loaded with camping
>gear, clothes etc.  Thats not much towing weight.  I really "do not know it
>is back there" except it takes the load off the bike from have "stuff"
>strapped everywhere.  No change in gas mileage-- REALLY.

Waldo, did you custom build you trailer as well?  Can you offer any details?
(maube a picture on the web page!)

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Replacing hoses
	     (from JeffHamltn@aol.com)
	     (at Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:21:59 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 21:45:18 CST

Hi JeffHamltn (JeffHamltn), in <951118182158_26796198@mail02.mail.aol.com> on Nov 18 you wrote:

> Has anyone changed the various hoses on the PC? I've had my bike for 3
> years now and wonder if I should change the radiator and gas lines in
> particular. Any thoughts?

Hoses should be good for quite a while longer as long as you are
mixing distilled water with your antifreeze. I'd suspect they
would last another 3+ years minimum under normal conditions.

I had a VF700S that I rode year-round for 8 years. The coolant
hoses still looked like new when I sold it and it got a lot
hotter than the PC does. YMMV.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



 18 Nov 1995 22:01:28 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 21:57:37 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Support belt
 (from _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain)) (at Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:33:02 -0800)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Harrison (Harrison Spain), in <v01510101acd3e44673e0@[134.244.16.30]> on Nov 18 you wrote:

> I bought one of those support belts and find it helps a lot.  Caution; it
> does not remove all the fatigue.  I'm tall and a bit over 40 :-) so my back
> can be a problem but I determined not to have that interfere with my
> riding.

Thought I would mention again that riding in a upright position
isn't all that good for your back. Don't let your a** & tailbone
support all that weight.  If you lean slightly forward and let
your thighs carry more of your weight, you'll most likely have
a lot fewer problems. I'm over 40, learned that little trick
about 15 years ago and my bike-riding problems vanished. I can
ride 3 800 mile backroad days back-to-back on the PC with no
problems as long as I let my legs handle the weight. BTW, I'm 
6'1" and there's enough room to ride slight bent forward. Though
I will admit that as soon as I figure out how to hack up the 
plastic, I'm putting lower bars on the bike to give me a little 
more room.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:08:41 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: RE: Re: Silence?

On Sat, Nov 18, 1995 12:00:00 AM  at CORY wrote: 
 
>>Are you a lawyer by any chance? (If so, we have something in common -- if

>>not then enough of this cheap talk <grin>!) 
> 
>>Yup.  Don't tell my Mom.  She thinks I do something useful. :)   
> 
>>Besides, I don't hae enough imagination to change taglines... 
> 
>Guess my talk is even cheaper, I'm only a paralegal! 
 
 
 
OK, how many of us are in the legal profession? 


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:57:44 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller)
Subject: Re: Electric Gear

>The only electric gear I've had to use is a set of heated grips.  They make
>cold rides (down to the low 20's) a hundred times more enjoyable.  I'm sure
>that if you combine them with hippo hands thay could take the comfort level

Who has them big enough for a GL1500? I've had trouble finding them at all
and when I have, they're too small.

>to even lower temperatures, but by that point I park the bike and start
>riding my snowmobile (also with heated grips)  : - )

-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2]
mskeller@ionet.net

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:16:53 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-18 12:26:34 EST, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
writes:

>Ted, was it at the end of March, by any chance?  I thought it might be a
>seasonal thing....

Steve,

No, I toured through that area in early September.  I guess it is a perenial
thing <Grin>!

>> Are you a lawyer by any chance? (If so, we have something in common -- if
not then enough of this cheap talk <grin>!)
Yup.  Don't tell my Mom.  She thinks I do something useful. :)  <<

My condolences to your mom.  Mine died when she heard I became a lawyer
<grin>...  Actually, I am surprised at the number of motorcycling lawyers I
meet in cyberspace.  I almost never meet motorcycling lawyers anywhere else
(though I have participated on a bar committee with another lawyer who rides
for years and neither he nor I knew the other rides until we ran into each
other on the net).




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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:16:55 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-18 15:30:30 EST, ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
writes:

>Guess my talk is even cheaper, I'm only a paralegal!

Cory,

I'll be darned.  It's interesting that so many PC owners who subscribe to
this list have a legal background.  My son's a paralegal, BTW.




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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 04:16:56 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-19 00:21:43 EST, lawyer@pipeline.com (J. Burack)
writes:

>OK, how many of us are in the legal profession? 


OK, I cannot tell a lie (unless paid to do so). I'm one.  Steve Gross is too.
 (He has a brother Bill, also a PC owner.  It may run in his family.)  Cory
is a paralegal. That makes at least 4 of us.


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:29:59 -0800

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 01:29:59 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Silence?
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com

steve's brother is Dave, not bill..and he's a musician....and the bikes DO
run in the family..two for the price of one.
(until dave gets his BMW.....)


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:48 -0800

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:48 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: 

Welcome, Ed.

81 degrees.  Sheesh.
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:46 -0800

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:16:46 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: RE: Re: Silence?

>Guess my talk is even cheaper, I'm only a paralegal!
>Cory

Cory, 

_I_ know who does most of the work....  If your bosses don't appreciate you,
go "dumb" on 'em for a week or so.  They'll get the hint!
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 02:23:24 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Silence?


>OK, I cannot tell a lie (unless paid to do so). I'm one.  Steve Gross is too.
> (He has a brother Bill, also a PC owner.  It may run in his family.)  Cory
>is a paralegal. That makes at least 4 of us.


Slight modification -- My brother is Dave, not Bill (unless I missed on....
gotta call Mom more often...)  He has a real job....

***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:33:17 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Lawyers

I hired a lawyer once !!!!!!   <G>

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:33:17 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Support belt

In a message dated 95-11-18 14:38:57 EST, you write:

>I bought one of those support belts and find it helps a lot.  Caution; it
>does not remove all the fatigue.

In my rather long report of the Blistered Butt ride, I mentioned the back
support and the Allyn air seat.  I also mentioned looking THROUGH the
windshield late at night.  After that ride, I got the old sabre saw out and
cut my windshield down.  This is probably heresy, but the since I am only
5'8", the optional tall windshiled didn't allow me to see over it completely.
 I think I was hunching down to eliminate catching the top of the windshield
across the middle of my field of vision.  I had to make to attempts so I am
not sure how much I took off, but I think it finally ended up being more than
2".  

Since I cut the windshield down, I sit up straighter, ride longer, don't wear
the back belt, and don't have a problem with my back !!!  I still use the
Allyn air seat though <G>.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:33:17 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Ed Johnson Rides

Wow ......

Ed, sounds like some great rides.

Most of my riding is done solo or with one other rider.  I know what you mean
about no arguments.  If you ride with friends, they need to be GOOD friends
or you have to be extremely lucky and have everyone with the same mindset as
to weather, time, people, places ..... a pretty tough set of elements to
maintain.

However, even a ride with someone you don't totally agree with is a lot
better than no ride at all !!!

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:26:07 -0500
From: JAN DEROOS <deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu



>>> <RETREADNY@aol.com> 11/17/95 08:25pm >>>
In a message dated 95-11-17 16:38:58 EST, you write:

>>since the feet are just
>>about the only part that does not benefit from the PC's excellent fairing.
>>Let me know if you come up with something.

>Actually I think the feet are protected IF you keep them flat on the footrests
>and keep the arch of your foot over the peg.  If you put your heels on the
>peg, then your toes point down and scoop up the air.

>Wes St.Onge
>RETREADNY@aol.com

Actually, that's the entire point, as keeping your feet flat on the pegs is an
unnatural riding position.  Try keeping it up for a half-dat at speed and your
lower legs get real sore.  A 'bolt-on' solution would be real nice to have. 
Actually, I was thinking that one could cut a 'wing' from very stiff single ply
roofing stock and use silicon adhesive to attach it to the crash-bar covers. 
All that is needed is about an inch and a half lift of the air away from the
pegs.

Jan A. deRoos - jad10@cornell.edu  
School of Hotel Administration          
Cornell University



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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:25:19 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Lawyers

And you're still grinning????  Must've been a lousy lawyer! :)>

>I hired a lawyer once !!!!!!   <G>
>
>Wes St.Onge
>RETREADNY@aol.com
>
>
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Ed Johnson Rides
	     (from RETREADNY@aol.com)
	     (at Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:33:17 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 22:16:44 CST

Hi RETREADNY (RETREADNY), in <951119083316_27260516@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Nov 19 you wrote:

> Most of my riding is done solo or with one other rider.  I know what you mean
> about no arguments.  If you ride with friends, they need to be GOOD friends

The wife of one of the *real* old motorcyclists I work with says that
motorcyclists are like kids. One playing by himself is great and two 
playing together is ok, but get three together and there'll be fireworks.
:^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:53:43 -0500
From: Spirit737@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC-Lawyers

Here's another Seattle PC lawyer
although I've only had my bike for about three months

Mike McCarty, North Bend Washington

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:19:59 -0800

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:19:59 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: PC-Lawyers

>Here's another Seattle PC lawyer
>although I've only had my bike for about three months
>
>Mike McCarty, North Bend Washington


It's an epidemic.  Run away!

We could start a new firm....  Yeah, that's all Seattle needs.
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:43:43 -0500
From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-19 00:26:06 EST, you write:

>OK, how many of us are in the legal profession? 

I didn't know there was a legal profession. :)

JT

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:03:18 -0800

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 00:03:18 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: PC-Lawyers

I think starting a new firm specializing in motorcycle claims would be good.


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:57:58 -0600
          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 7:57:29 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Silence?

At 04:16 AM 11/19/95 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 95-11-18 15:30:30 EST, ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
>writes:
>
>>Guess my talk is even cheaper, I'm only a paralegal!
>
>Cory,
>
Guess I have the trophy on cheap talk.  I'm only a University Professor.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:23:13 -0600
          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 8:22:50 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)

At 06:42 PM 11/18/95 -0900, you wrote:
>At 12:03 PM 11/16/95 -0600, you wrote:

>Waldo, did you custom build you trailer as well?  Can you offer any details?
>(maube a picture on the web page!)
>
>Juan

I have built 6 trailers over the years,  mainly for the fun of it.  My
latest one is the best yet.   It only weights 90 pounds empty.   Would like
to put a picture on the web.  Ashame to say I do not know the process.  What
do I need to do to sumit a picture and can it be a color print or must it be
a slide???

Waldo
GSU


Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:39:19 +0000
Subject: Lake Michigan Ferry
Priority: normal

Juan, Guess you have been snowmobiling or away for the weekend. 
Haven't seen your comments on the list for a couple  of days.  Am 
sending you the brochure about the lake michigan car ferry to the 
address on the bottom of your E-Mail.  Don't suppose the ZIP code 
is that important any way.  Hope that the information will help you 
plan your trip.

Please plan on stopping over a night in Appleton if you guys come 
this way either going out or comming back.  

By the way, I am using Pegasus Mail,  Are my comments  getting on the 
list ?  I don't seem to get much response, maybe that's because of the 
content HU?

Regards etc --
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:10:26 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Pictures on the web

In response to the recent flurry of requests for adding pictures to the
web.....

For any newcomers, the address is:

http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html

I am working on a new edition (always) and had hoped to have it posted
a few weeks ago but my employer has begun to find things for me to do.


I have added to the "revision history/disclaimer" page a section on how
to submit to the web page.  This addition won't be posted till I put up the
next edition.  

In the meantime, what it says is...

If you wish to contribute to the Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Motorcycle
Web Page, you may ftp files to sina.tcamc.uh.edu in
/pub/incoming/pc800. Then advise Jason (tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu) and he
will move them to a more permanant location and then he will notify me
and I'll get them from there and add them to the page. It's kind of round
about but then, you get what you pay for!

To that passage, I will add that I will accept snapshots (the 4"x5" prints
seem to work best) and scan them.  If you want the prints back, be sure
to include a self-addressed stamped envelope.  You may also want to
include a caption which will serve as the highlighted text that you click on
to bring up the picture.  

You may mail any submissions to:  

Neill Thompson
5640 E. Bell Rd.  #1043
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

"If I don't see you on the real highway, .WAV to me on the Infobahn."  



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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:05:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
Subject: Re: Support belt
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Harrison Spain wrote:

> I bought one of those support belts and find it helps a lot.  Caution; it
> does not remove all the fatigue.  I'm tall and a bit over 40 :-) so my back
> can be a problem but I determined not to have that interfere with my
> riding.  When I was looking for a used PC800, I called one guy and he said
> he was selling because of his back.
> 
> I ordered the catalogue for the rider backrest that bolts to the rear seat.
> I'm tempted to go ahead and make this modification.  Has anyone done this
> already?  Are the bolts through the rear seat ugly?
> 
>  |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
>  |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
>  |    EDS Unigraphics         | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com  |
>  |    Cypress, CA  90630      |     UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain |
> 

I got the catalog for the backrest this weekend.  It does scare me a bit 
seeing that you have to cut into the passenger seat.  The Corbin I bought 
from Wes is working out great.  I suppose Mike Corbin could have put a 
backrest on the sliding driver's support.  There ain't no way I'm gonna 
disect the Corbin!

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:28:56 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Electric Gear

At 01:57 AM 11/19/95 -0600, you wrote:
>>The only electric gear I've had to use is a set of heated grips.  They make
>>cold rides (down to the low 20's) a hundred times more enjoyable.  I'm sure
>>that if you combine them with hippo hands thay could take the comfort level
>
>Who has them big enough for a GL1500? I've had trouble finding them at all
>and when I have, they're too small.


Not sure,  I know a couple of people from GWRRA, I'll ask them.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:48:27 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Silence

Wow, its hard to believe that a week or so ago, someone asked if the listserver was down because the list
had been quiet for a day or two.  I was reading my mail this morning and it kept coming in faster than I could
read.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, it was all relevent and worthwhile. 

 Welcome to all the new folks and keep up the chatter, this is GREAT!  



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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:40:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Jlai foot pegs

On Fri, 17 Nov 1995 RETREADNY@aol.com wrote:

> Johan
>    I shipped out the footpeg extensions today.  UPS charges of $4.28.  Sent
> ground.  Contents include the brackets complete with TWO wooden pads.  One
> about 1/2" thick and another about 1 1/2" thick on TOP of that (my grandson
> is REAL short).  You will also find two pair of washers.  These mount between
> the brackets and the frame of the cycle.  The way they are bent allows you to
> carefully rest them on the frame, then insert the bolt through the bracket
> and into the frame.  They are needed since the real foot rest brackets have
> an offset in them.
> 
>   Hope they work out for you.
> 
> Wes St.Onge
> RETREADNY@aol.com
> 

My 5'1" wife thanks you!  I'll look for them in the mail.

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From: "Nick G." <kc@sundial.sundial.net>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:41:35 +0000
Subject:       RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)
Priority: normal

> > Date:          Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:23:13 -0600
> > From:          "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
> > Subject:       RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)
> > To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> > Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> At 06:42 PM 11/18/95 -0900, you wrote:
> >At 12:03 PM 11/16/95 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Waldo, did you custom build you trailer as well?  Can you offer any details?
> >(maube a picture on the web page!)
> >
> >Juan
> 
> I have built 6 trailers over the years,  mainly for the fun of it.  My
> latest one is the best yet.   It only weights 90 pounds empty.   Would like
> to put a picture on the web.  Ashame to say I do not know the process.  What
> do I need to do to sumit a picture and can it be a color print or must it be
> a slide???
> 
> Waldo
> GSU
> 
> 
> Hi Waldo, You would need to scan the PICTURE  using a scanner. That 
would convert it into a jpg or gif file - then you could send the 
file (picture) by attaching it to an e-mail message.
Nick G.


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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:58:51 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Lake Michigan Ferry
Cc: jgull@redback.lter.alaska.edu

At 08:39 AM 11/20/95 +0000, you wrote:
>Juan, Guess you have been snowmobiling or away for the weekend. 

Nope, haven't had the chance.  No time,  not enough snow  (east coast stole
all of ours!)  We only have about 3" on the ground, though the temperatures
have been great for riding, what a waste.

>Haven't seen your comments on the list for a couple  of days.  Am 
>sending you the brochure about the lake michigan car ferry to the 
>address on the bottom of your E-Mail.  Don't suppose the ZIP code 
>is that important any way.  Hope that the information will help you 
>plan your trip.

I responded to your first message directly to you.  Let me know if you don't
get it  by tomorrow so I can try it again.  Thanks again for sending the
info, it should come in quite handy.

>Please plan on stopping over a night in Appleton if you guys come 
>this way either going out or comming back.  

Will try.  The trip is still in the (very) early stages of planning, so a
lot can happen between  now and then.  I will certainly try to at least stop
by to say hello.

>By the way, I am using Pegasus Mail,  Are my comments  getting on the 
>list ?  I don't seem to get much response, maybe that's because of the 
>content HU?

Pegasus seems to be working ok.  Are you able to see your own messages?
With all the chatter going on lately it is hard to keep up.    Don't stop
sending stuff though.  Just because you don't get any response it doesn't
mean that people don't enjoy your comments.

My work address, by the way is:

School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
O'Neill Building 245
P. O. Box 757220
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, AK  99775-7220

But don't worry, I'm sure your mail will make it ok.  Thanks again

________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:01:13 -0900 (AKST)
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

At 07:23 AM 11/20/95 -0600, you wrote:
>At 06:42 PM 11/18/95 -0900, you wrote:
>>At 12:03 PM 11/16/95 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Waldo, did you custom build you trailer as well?  Can you offer any details?
>>(maube a picture on the web page!)
>>
>>Juan
>
>I have built 6 trailers over the years,  mainly for the fun of it.  My
>latest one is the best yet.   It only weights 90 pounds empty.   Would like
>to put a picture on the web.  Ashame to say I do not know the process.  What
>do I need to do to sumit a picture and can it be a color print or must it be
>a slide???


Well Waldo, seems that Neill beat me to the explanation on how to do it.  In
the meantime, how about more details on your trailer?  From what I've seen,
there's a few of us that would like our PC's to grow a tail.  Thanks!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:20:09 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Sending pictures across the net.  



>>> Nick G. <kc@sundial.sundial.net> 11/20/95 09:41am >>>
 > Hi Waldo, You would need to scan the PICTURE  using a scanner. That
 would convert it into a jpg or gif file - then you could send the  file
(picture) by attaching it to an e-mail message.
Nick G.

See my post from earlier today on submitting pictures for the web page. 
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but it is my understanding that:  

The Internet mail standard (SMTP or Simplified Mail Transfer Protocol) 
won't support binary file attachments.  I can attach a binary file (.JPG or
.GIF for example) to a message WITHIN my organization but it gets
stripped off if I go out across the net. 

 It _is_ possible to convert (UUENCODE) the binary file to a text file which
can be embedded as the content of a message.  It looks predictablely like
a stream of gibberish.  This involves the sender having the encode
software and the reciever having the decode software (UUDECODE). 
The UUENCODE/DECODE software is primarilly a Unix utility but is
available for the PC (Mac, I don't know).  

Transferring the file to a FTP server as described in my message is a
way to move the file around without the encode/decode step.  If you
need help running FTP, check with the systems people in your
organization.  

Interestingly enough, AOL supports FTP but only in the download
direction.  I guess AOL figures its users are only lurkers and never
contributers.  Like my work account, AOL _does_ support binary
attachments within that system.  If you are an AOL user, you can send 
attachments to my AOL account:  

nthompso@aol.com

If appropriate, I can bring them to work and FTP them from there.  




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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:26 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller)
Subject: Re: PC-Lawyers

>I think starting a new firm specializing in motorcycle claims would be good.

Try http://www.motorcycle.com/russbrown.html


-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2]
mskeller@ionet.net

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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:38:55 -0500
To: <thompson@mail.trglink.com>, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Sending pictures across the net.

On Mon, Nov 20, 1995 3:20:09 PM  at Neill Thompson wrote: 
 
> It _is_ possible to convert (UUENCODE) the binary file to a text file
which 
>can be embedded as the content of a message.  It looks predictablely like 
>a stream of gibberish.  This involves the sender having the encode 
>software and the reciever having the decode software (UUDECODE).  
>The UUENCODE/DECODE software is primarilly a Unix utility but is 
>available for the PC (Mac, I don't know). 
 
 
There are at least three UUdecoding programs available for the Mac. 
StuffIT Expander, for instance, decodes and then unstuffs, automagically. 
FWIW, my internet service, Pipeline, automagically uucodes and decodes
attached files, but it doesn't always seem to sork reliably for very large
files. 
 
- Jeff


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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:24:14 -0500
From: Spirit737@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

Yes, its the worlds second oldest profession

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:48:17 -0800

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Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:48:17 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Sending pictures across the net.

        neil...Macs also use UUENCODE....just get Stuffit Deluxe to encode
and decode...


------------
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:32:34 -0600
          Tue, 21 Nov 1995 8:32:33 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)


>Well Waldo, seems that Neill beat me to the explanation on how to do it.  In
>the meantime, how about more details on your trailer?  From what I've seen,
>there's a few of us that would like our PC's to grow a tail.  Thanks!
>
>Juan
Hi Juan,

The trailer is basically a rubbermaid tool box from walmart or k-mart (dark
grey with light silver top) mounted on a t-frame with a plywood base to
mount the box to.  I will measure the box and get back to you.  It has a
hinged lid with a latch in the middle down one side.  Very strong but light
weight.  I have built two of these and sold the first one to a friend.  I
will summit photos to Neill but first I need to take some better ones.
After I sumit the photos I will be glad to answer any questions concerning
construction etc.  I purchased the hubs, axles and wheels from Northern
Hydrylics. (I built the fenders)  Very reasonable price. Total cost of
trailer excluding my labor is approx. $.225.00.  It pulls very true and I
can't deteck any difference in terms of ride, braking, gas mileage etc.  It
really makes long camping trips a joy .  Without haveing stuff strapped to
the bike its like being out for a sunday ride.  I also built my trailer
hitch which I will also sumitt photos of.

Take Care and Ride Safe.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:32:38 -0600
          Tue, 21 Nov 1995 8:32:33 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)

At 07:23 AM 11/20/95 -0600, you wrote:
>At 06:42 PM 11/18/95 -0900, you wrote:
>>At 12:03 PM 11/16/95 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Waldo, did you custom build you trailer as well?  Can you offer any details?
>>(maube a picture on the web page!)
>>
>>Juan
>
>I have built 6 trailers over the years,  mainly for the fun of it.  My
>latest one is the best yet.   It only weights 90 pounds empty.   Would like
>to put a picture on the web.  Ashame to say I do not know the process.  What
>do I need to do to sumit a picture and can it be a color print or must it be
>a slide???


Well Waldo, seems that Neill beat me to the explanation on how to do it.  In
the meantime, how about more details on your trailer?  From what I've seen,
there's a few of us that would like our PC's to grow a tail.  Thanks!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________




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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:38 +0100
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: European PC800 drivers

Hi to all,

Here's a short message from oversea (for most of you).
I am wondering if there are any other European PC800 drivers 
reading this mailing list, I guess this list is mainly read in
the continent this cycle was designed for. 
We have our own PC800 drivers club here in Holland, 
approx. 200 members. In our country the season is also a bit
winding down, although it's still not too cold or wet to drive.

Regards from below sealevel

Hans Looman
----------------
1989 PC800 White
----------------



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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:27:47 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: Re: Trailers (Home grown)


>The trailer is basically a rubbermaid tool box...



Thanks for the details.  I look forward to seeing the pictures.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


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From: gorgon <gorgon@xs4all.nl>
To: "'pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu'" <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: European PC800 drivers
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:04:08 +-100



Hi Hans, I am also a dutch pc800 driver. Could you please give me info on the Dutch pc800 club ?
Preferably via direct E-mail to gorgon@xs4all.nl.

Greetings to all, Ascon de Vries

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From: 	Hans Looman[SMTP:looman@eldevs.nl]
Sent: 	dinsdag 21 november 1995 17:28
To: 	pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: 	European PC800 drivers

Hi to all,

Here's a short message from oversea (for most of you).
I am wondering if there are any other European PC800 drivers 
reading this mailing list, I guess this list is mainly read in
the continent this cycle was designed for. 
We have our own PC800 drivers club here in Holland, 
approx. 200 members. In our country the season is also a bit
winding down, although it's still not too cold or wet to drive.

Regards from below sealevel

Hans Looman
----------------
1989 PC800 White
----------------






Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:02:55 +0000
Subject:       Re: European PC800 drivers
Priority: normal

> Date:          Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:38 +0100
> From:          looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
> Subject:       European PC800 drivers
> To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> Hi to all,
> 
> Here's a short message from oversea (for most of you).
> I am wondering if there are any other European PC800 drivers 
> reading this mailing list, I guess this list is mainly read in
> the continent this cycle was designed for.

Maybe it is but it's great to hear from you guys in Europe, you have 
all the pretty colours (?) for PC800 over there.  Tell us about your 
your riding style, commuter, sport touring or whatever.  We would
love to hear about it.
 
> We have our own PC800 drivers club here in Holland, 
> approx. 200 members. In our country the season is also a bit
> winding down, although it's still not too cold or wet to drive.

In Wisconsin the bikes are mostly mothballed until about March.
The high today was 16 deg Far. ( - 9 C ) so its a little cold to ride
and snow on the ground. Will probably get much colder in Dec
and Jan.  Juan A Goula on this list can tell you about REAL cold
though, he lives in Fairbanks Alaska.
> 
> Regards from below sealevel
  Regards from Wisconsin USA Hans and lets hear more from
   you guys !!
> 
> Hans Looman
> ----------------
> 1989 PC800 White
> ----------------
> 
> 
> 
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com

Comments: Authenticated sender is <kc@sundial.net>

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From: "Nick G." <kc@sundial.sundial.net>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Wed, 22 Nov 1995 04:06:00 +0000
Subject:       Re: European PC800 drivers
Priority: normal

> > Date:          Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:28:38 +0100
> > From:          looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
> > Subject:       European PC800 drivers
> > To:            pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> > Reply-to:      pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

> Hi to all,
> 
> Here's a short message from oversea (for most of you).
> I am wondering if there are any other European PC800 drivers 
> reading this mailing list, I guess this list is mainly read in
> the continent this cycle was designed for. 
> We have our own PC800 drivers club here in Holland, 
> approx. 200 members. In our country the season is also a bit
> winding down, although it's still not too cold or wet to drive.
> 
> Regards from below sealevel
> 
> Hans Looman
> ----------------
> 1989 PC800 White
> ----------------
> 
> 
> Hello Hans,
 I live in Florida, USA and also have a 1989 PC800 White. I bought it 
new in 1991 right out of the box. I now have 30,700 miles on it. How 
many miles have you put on yours?
Nick G.


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 06:54:06 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Jacket for Sale

I have a beautiful Hein Gericke TKO jacket, gray, size Large for sale $ 275

I purchased it at Super Sunday in May 1994.  Wore it to the Retread rally in
Intercourse, PA, decided I needed more pockets.  Sold a guitar and saxophone
and bought an Aerostich Darien jacket.  The TKO has been on a wooden hanger
ever since.  I think I have worn it about four times since then for short
rides around town.

It is really a beautiful jacket, quite dressy looking, zipper vent openings
in front and rear, a 'mandarin' type of collar, vent scoops on the wrists, a
removeable warm liner with a special neck warming gizmo that comes up and
velcros nice and tight around your neck.

The gray is a very close match to the seat and dash on the '89 PC!

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Help parts info.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 20:11:07 WST

Hi all!

A damn fool did the most stupid thing yesterday: rest the bike aside without
the sidestand down!  You all know what happened then, I was talking to my
friend as his bike was parked on the left side, I watched my pearl white
'90 Pacific Coast down slowly to that CBX650C and it gave my PC800 a bite
on the mirror.  Both the mirror housing and the newly installed Hondaline
tall screen got scratched, mirror broken.  After checked with the ONLY
Honda dealer right here in Hong Kong, they don't have any PC800 mirrors
in stock for the coming 4 months BUT they do have the whole mirror assy.
available, at HK$1,240 (US$158.99) while the mirror for only HK$260 (US$33.3).
Anybody willing to help find me the price for the mirror in the US?  Then 
I can mail order one.  Thanks in advanced!


-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *                                         '90 HONDA PC800 red coming from   *
  *                                              Vancouver BC soon!!!         *
  *****************************************************************************


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:25:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Help parts info.

On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, VR2XVI wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> A damn fool did the most stupid thing yesterday: rest the bike aside without
> the sidestand down!  You all know what happened then, I was talking to my
> friend as his bike was parked on the left side, I watched my pearl white
> '90 Pacific Coast down slowly to that CBX650C and it gave my PC800 a bite
> on the mirror.  Both the mirror housing and the newly installed Hondaline
> tall screen got scratched, mirror broken.  After checked with the ONLY
> Honda dealer right here in Hong Kong, they don't have any PC800 mirrors
> in stock for the coming 4 months BUT they do have the whole mirror assy.
> available, at HK$1,240 (US$158.99) while the mirror for only HK$260 (US$33.3).
> Anybody willing to help find me the price for the mirror in the US?  Then 
> I can mail order one.  Thanks in advanced!
> 
> 
> -- 
>   *****************************************************************************
>   *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
>   *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
>   *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
>   *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
>   *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
>   *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
>   *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
>   *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
>   *                                         '90 HONDA PC800 red coming from   *
>   *                                              Vancouver BC soon!!!         *
>   *****************************************************************************
> 

What a bummer Philips!  I called the local dealer on this side.  He said the
price for just the mirror is US$47.  They don't stock it but it takes them 2
days to get it.  I don't know if being closer to you makes a difference in
shipping but I'm in California so holler if you want me to pick on up for
you.  I think your dealer is trying to rip you off.  You know, they might
ship it directly to you if you want to call them: 

Honda of Orange  (714) 771-9777

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Date:     Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:44 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Help parts info.

Phillips Wong wrote:

>Honda dealer right here in Hong Kong, they don't have any PC800 mirrors
>in stock for the coming 4 months BUT they do have the whole mirror assy.
>available, at HK$1,240 (US$158.99) while the mirror for only HK$260 (US$33.3).
>Anybody willing to help find me the price for the mirror in the US?  Then 
>I can mail order one. 

I had to buy a mirror a little over a year ago and it cost me about $44 (US) 
here in Fairbanks Alaska.  $160 or so for the whole assembly sounds about 
like what I was quoted then, too.  I shelled out the $ for the mirror, used
epoxy on the housing, and will order a new housing this winter.

Good luck!
Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 22 12:47:46 1995

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 13:45:57 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu (Steve Anderson)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Sending pictures across the net.

     

     I have an interest in FTP'ing a picture of my PC800 with the Rifle wind 
     shield, the Corbin seat, and a Honda stock back rest (raised a bit).
     
     What site can I FTP it to so it can get on our PC800 Home Page?
     
     I have it in a couple of different formats... Is one better than another 
     for the home page?
     
     Please advise... whoever is the most knowledgeable...
     
     
     My personal e-mail is
     
     stevea@sc.edu    (so we don't "spam" the whole listserv!)


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:00:28 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Help parts info.

At 08:11 PM 11/22/95 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all!
>
>A damn fool did the most stupid thing yesterday: rest the bike aside without
>the sidestand down!  You all know what happened then, I was talking to my
>friend as his bike was parked on the left side, I watched my pearl white
>'90 Pacific Coast down slowly to that CBX650C and it gave my PC800 a bite


Sorry to hear about that.  I hope the moron will pay for at least part of it.
Made a quick call to the East Coast Parts Warehouse  (800)544-4814  or
(703)699-4236
They have the entire assembly for US$135.00  and the glass only for
US$34.24.  Not in stock but won't take long to order.  Good luck!

By the way, did you ever get the alternator fixed in your bike?

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Sending pictures across the net.
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:36:58 -0600
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu>

Sent to entire list because this seems to come up often.

>>>>> "SA" == Steve Anderson <stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu> writes:

SA> What site can I FTP it to so it can get on our PC800 Home Page?

Put the files in ftp.hpc.uh.edu:/pub/incoming/pc800.  Let me know when
you've uploaded files.
 
SA> I have it in a couple of different formats... Is one better than
SA> another for the home page?

It doesn't make much of a difference; GIF, JPEG, TIFF, PCX, whatever.  I'm
pretty sure we can all convert the images around at will.

 - J<


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:02:18 +0100
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: Re: European PC800 drivers

Hi to all!
Maybe you like to read some Dutch matters on driving the PC800 over here.
 
>Maybe it is but it's great to hear from you guys in Europe, you have 
>all the pretty colours (?) for PC800 over there.  Tell us about your 
>your riding style, commuter, sport touring or whatever.  We would
>love to hear about it.

I think we have the same colours over here, first there was the white one.
A year or so later the red bike appeared, followed by the black one now.
When I bought my PC in 1992, it costed Dfl 16000,- which is approx 
$ 10000,-. Right now our government found a new way to get even more tax
from us and they invented so called BPM (extra tax on cars and motorcycles) 
and it costs now Dfl 23000,- ($ 14650,-) Amazing isn't it? :<(
What is the newprice over there?

The PC800 is very popular among motorcycle driving tutors. This is mainly
because they can carry along lots of stuf like cones and so in the trunk.
They often paint the PC800 in various colours matching those of the driving
school. Quite nice sometimes. In our club one of the members painted his bike
metallic blue in two shades of blue. (Very nice job) I'll ask for a picture.

I drive my PC800 most of the times just for fun. It gives me great protection
from rain (which happens to fall quite a lot over here) specially after 
installing the taller screen. I installed one from the brand MDI. 
I don't know if this is typically Dutch or also available in your continent. 
But it works great.

I had a strange problem this summer, I believe it has something to do with
the type of fuel we have. We only have 98 and 95 octane fuel, the PC runs best
with 95 IMHO. After using 98 for some time it got some sort of hickups and 
lack of power. It dissappeared after using 95 again and revving up to 7K rpm
for a while. Strange things... Maybe some of you have a clou what happened?
By the way, fuel is very expensive here. 95 costs around $1.20 per litre. 
I'm happy the PC doesn't drink that much.

In our country we are allowed to drive 80 km/h (50 mph) on most of the normal
roads. The highway is 100 km/h (63 mph) at lots of places and 120 km/h (75 mph)
in between those places. If we want to drive a little faster we have to drive
to Germany (around 60 miles trip from here) where there's no limit (except the
one of your bike) Once I drove almost 125 mph over there, but that is not one
of the things you should do with the taller windscreen, in my opinion. That was
the first (and last) time I experienced what I think is called a speed wobble. 
Argh. Not nice at all. Still get shaky thinking of this... 
It's very nice that the PC does not make any strange sounds revving her up to
those kinds of speed. My Honda GL650 Silverwing (before the PC) did a lot worse.

OK, that's enough sofar. Regards to all.

Hans Looman
----------------
1989 PC800 White
----------------




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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:02:22 +0100
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: Re: European PC800 drivers

Hello Nick,

> I live in Florida, USA and also have a 1989 PC800 White. I bought it 
>new in 1991 right out of the box. I now have 30,700 miles on it. How 
>many miles have you put on yours?

I have around 20,000 miles on it. I also bought it new out of the box,
in 1992. (Right on time, before we had to pay even more tax on motorcycles)

By the way, isn't it hot in Florida in summer? We had quite a hot summer in 1995
(for Dutch standards). Sometimes the roads got so hot it sort of melted. We are
obviously not used to hot summers. This also reflected in somewhat higher temps
on the meter of the PC. In standard Dutch weather, (rain) the needle just climbs
above the thicker region of cold. In summer it came higher. I guess this is
normal?

Regards, Hans Looman.



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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Help parts info.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 8:21:34 WST

> Made a quick call to the East Coast Parts Warehouse  (800)544-4814  or
> (703)699-4236
> They have the entire assembly for US$135.00  and the glass only for
> US$34.24.  Not in stock but won't take long to order.  Good luck!

Thanks for the info. Juan!
 
> By the way, did you ever get the alternator fixed in your bike?

Why?  Are there some kind of recall on alternators?  Besides the 100/55 bulb,
I don't have any electrical add-ons, and I never have any alternator problems.
 
-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:46:05 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: High output headlight

Will a higher output light toast my wiring and or lens? Does the PC have a
45W/45W? Could a slightly higher bulb be used without modifications?

Thanx


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:45:58 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Why are there 800 Politically Correct people here??

Hello all
I have been reading about these home brewed trailers and thought I would add
my 2 cents worth.
I have a wholesale only motorcycle catalog that shows a trailer for a ATV 4
wheeler. It can be bought in parts or in whole. The brand is Husky Hauler. 

Dimensions:
62"L x 30"W x 15"H
40 cubic feet or 80 gallons
16" dia. 4.8x8" wheels
Total weight 85lbs
1000lbs load capacity ( I don't think we'll have a problem towing that much
right?)
$326 without cover

Accessories:
Steel swivel hitch assy. for ATV & Snowmobile  $36
400 Danier cover stretch cord for snug fit  $36
tub only  $126

These prices are retail as listed in this catalog. I can order these at my
dealer cost for $228.00 plus frieght. I would be willing to help anyone in
the PC800 group who might want one. It looks like a good way to haul.
However, I have never used a trailer and it may NOT be. I don't know enough
about towing or the trailer to be certain. The capacity and tire sizing would
lead me to believe that it would suit our needs.

I really enjoyed reading about the rides everyones benn taking. I will be
heading out for a day ride with my wife on our 1995 PC800. I have logged 400
miles so far and haven't ridden in 8-9 years ( on the street). I will
probably cruise up highway 50 North to Tims Ford Lake (TNN) then on further
North to Sewanne Campus and perhaps I-24 to highway 72 South through
Scottsboro (AL) and on back home (North of Huntsville, AL).

Catch Ya'll later.....




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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:46:03 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Favorite grips for long rides?

My PC has foam grips but they seem to large for my large hands. I feel like
it's a strain to grip them because they are so large. I don't know what brand
they are. They look similar to the Grab on brand.

Thanks


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 19:45:59 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Best seat for PC800??

Hi just got a 1995 PC and I was looking at the Corbin seat but I don't really
like the looks of it. Does anyone have a seat for the PC? I will do most of
my riding 2 up. I would like something with a back support.


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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:58:00 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Help parts info.


>Why?  Are there some kind of recall on alternators?  Besides the 100/55 bulb,
>I don't have any electrical add-ons, and I never have any alternator problems.

Sorry, I thought you had problems with the alternator.  Must have been
somebody else.

You are welcome.
 
Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:02:43 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: High output headlight

At 07:46 PM 11/22/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Will a higher output light toast my wiring and or lens? Does the PC have a
>45W/45W? Could a slightly higher bulb be used without modifications?


The PC has a stock 55/60W bulb.  I have on mine a 55/100W with no mods.
I've heard of someone with an 80/130W bulb complain that the reflector
looked like it had been scoured (sp?) with steel wool.  Caveat emptor.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:15:16 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Best seat for PC800??

At 07:45 PM 11/22/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi just got a 1995 PC and I was looking at the Corbin seat but I don't really
>like the looks of it. Does anyone have a seat for the PC? I will do most of
>my riding 2 up. I would like something with a back support.


Seats:  Two choices  Stock and Corbin

Backrests:  Three choices  Stock, Corbin and Utopia (?).  

Sorry, don't have addresses.  They are somewhere in the archives though.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:17:10 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Favorite grips for long rides?

At 07:46 PM 11/22/95 -0500, you wrote:
>My PC has foam grips but they seem to large for my large hands. I feel like
>it's a strain to grip them because they are so large. I don't know what brand
>they are. They look similar to the Grab on brand.


I have electric grips on mine.  When it is hot and i'm on a long ride I use
neoprene grip covers.  They have a similar effect to your foam grips.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 17:22:54 TZ
Subject: Re: High output headlight



I'm runnint an 80/100 with no trouble.  Cars haven't flashed me once 
while on the low beam either so must be acceptable to the other cars.  
I did spend some time aiming to prevent trouble with oncoming drivers though.

-bryceu
----------

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From: "Juan A. Goula"  <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: High output headlight
Date: 22 November 1995 16:02

At 07:46 PM 11/22/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Will a higher output light toast my wiring and or lens? Does the PC have a
>45W/45W? Could a slightly higher bulb be used without modifications?


The PC has a stock 55/60W bulb.  I have on mine a 55/100W with no mods.
I've heard of someone with an 80/130W bulb complain that the reflector
looked like it had been scoured (sp?) with steel wool.  Caveat emptor.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 17:30:17 TZ
Subject: RE: Best seat for PC800??



You can have the Corbin saddle ordered with a smooth covering instead 
of the weave.  I ran into a PC out of Eugene, OR who had a smooth 
leather covering.  Looked really good but I found it slippery wearing 
an Aerostitch.  The fellow riding it didn't mind with blue jeans on.

Made is glossy black PC look might fine I though.  Purple pintstriping 
and that what he had for piping on the corbin saddle as well.

If you loook through the achives the reviews are mixed.  Some think 
they are too hard and others love em.  My co-rider and I are in the 
love-it group.  The passenger will really appreciate the larger, 
adjustable backrest and the higher seating position (better view).  I 
can ride all day with no butt numbness.

-bryceu
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From:  <Dentman711@aol.com>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Best seat for PC800??
Date: 22 November 1995 19:45

Hi just got a 1995 PC and I was looking at the Corbin seat but I don't really
like the looks of it. Does anyone have a seat for the PC? I will do most of
my riding 2 up. I would like something with a back support.




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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: RE: Help parts info.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 9:37:40 WST

Thanks Cory!
 
> I had to buy a mirror a little over a year ago and it cost me about $44 (US) 
> here in Fairbanks Alaska.  $160 or so for the whole assembly sounds about 
> like what I was quoted then, too.

The price my local dealer quoted is OK except they said they normally won't
stock the mirror and it won't be available with the 4-5 coming months!  As
an alternative, I can get the WHOLE assy. that the $ enough for a mirror and
2 housings.  This is a good realer never do.

Talking about this wonderful dealer, I know a mechanic who worked for them,
he told me this dealer have NO carb syn tools (that means they'll do that
just with the felling on trottle response, by listening, or simply skip it),
they do have a torque wrench by never use it, know nothing about the 'plastic
spring' under the seat of PC800s that we all knew.  Seems their boss only
interested in selling new bikes as they're the ONLY Honda dealer in HK!

-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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Date:     Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:51 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: High output headlight

>Will a higher output light toast my wiring and or lens? Does the PC have a
>45W/45W? Could a slightly higher bulb be used without modifications?

>Thanx

That I know of the PC comes w/ a 55/60.  I've run a 55/100 for a long time,
ride w/ high beam on most of the time, and have never had any problems.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 22 20:03:30 1995

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:03:27 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: European PC800 drivers

At 08:02 PM 11/21/95 +0000, you wrote:
>In Wisconsin the bikes are mostly mothballed until about March.
>The high today was 16 deg Far. ( - 9 C ) so its a little cold to ride
>and snow on the ground. Will probably get much colder in Dec
>and Jan.  Juan A Goula on this list can tell you about REAL cold
>though, he lives in Fairbanks Alaska.

Nahh!  Hasn't been that cold.  It has not gone below  -20F  yet.  Last year
during Thanksgiving it was   -40F (-40C),  so I'm not complaining.

Disclaimer:  All temperatures quoted do _not_ include winchill factor
(thankfully, wind is not common in the interior of Alaska.
 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date:     Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:03 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Why are there 800 Politically Correct people here??

Wow, anybody who knows me knows that I'm anything BUT politically correct!

Any way, about the "Husky Hauler" trailer.

The thing might work OK but I'd have two concerns:

    1.  The wheel bearings installed.  Would they have to be exchanged 
        for something with a little bit higher weight capacity and made
        for a higher speed?

    2.  The tongue length probably would need to be extended, most likely.
        Motorcycles and short trailers don't seem to mix well.

It sounds great otherwise.  I've been considering something for a long time.
Our trip planning for this summer throows a wrench into any trailer plans,
though.  Would love to have the thing, but don't want to spend the $.  Oh
well, life's problems.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 22 20:14:43 1995

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:14:41 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: European PC800 drivers

>I think we have the same colours over here, first there was the white one.
>A year or so later the red bike appeared, followed by the black one now.

A lot of us have heard of Bigfoo...er  ,   a Blue PC sold in France.  Have
you ever seen one?

>When I bought my PC in 1992, it costed Dfl 16000,- which is approx 
>$ 10000,-. Right now our government found a new way to get even more tax
>from us and they invented so called BPM (extra tax on cars and motorcycles) 
>and it costs now Dfl 23000,- ($ 14650,-) Amazing isn't it? :<(
>What is the newprice over there?

Price for a new 1996 PC800 is  $8,699.00 last time I heard.  Doesn't sound
so expensive after all, eh  guys?

>school. Quite nice sometimes. In our club one of the members painted his bike
>metallic blue in two shades of blue. (Very nice job) I'll ask for a picture.

A picture would be nice.

>I drive my PC800 most of the times just for fun. It gives me great protection
>from rain (which happens to fall quite a lot over here) specially after 
>installing the taller screen. I installed one from the brand MDI. 
>I don't know if this is typically Dutch or also available in your continent. 
>But it works great.

Does Honda Europe sell bolt-on pontoons for the PC in the Netherlands?  : - )

>I had a strange problem this summer, I believe it has something to do with
>the type of fuel we have. We only have 98 and 95 octane fuel, the PC runs best
>with 95 IMHO. After using 98 for some time it got some sort of hickups and 
>lack of power.

Sounds like you got a bad batch of gasoline, maybe water?

> If we want to drive a little faster we have to drive
>to Germany (around 60 miles trip from here) where there's no limit (except the
>one of your bike) Once I drove almost 125 mph over there, but that is not one
>of the things you should do with the taller windscreen, in my opinion. That was
>the first (and last) time I experienced what I think is called a speed wobble. 
>Argh. Not nice at all. Still get shaky thinking of this... 

How long did you maintain that speed?  Any idea what you fuel consumption
was on that rip?

>It's very nice that the PC does not make any strange sounds revving her up to
>those kinds of speed. My Honda GL650 Silverwing (before the PC) did a lot
worse.

The PC has overhead cams, the Silverwing has pushrods.  That might explain
the difference.
Interesting that the GL has a redline 2000 rpms   _higher_ than the PC.

Thanks for the info.  Enjoy!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


 22 Nov 1995 22:21:08 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:20:54 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Re: European PC800 drivers
 (from "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>)
 (at Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:14:41 -0900 (AKST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199511230214.RAA05110@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Nov 22 you wrote:

> >one of your bike) Once I drove almost 125 mph over there, but that is not one
> 
> How long did you maintain that speed?  Any idea what you fuel consumption
> was on that rip?

 About 35 mpg.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:19:07 -0500
From: BillF13019@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: New List Member


New list member here-

Name: Bill Fortenberry
Location: Meridian, MS
Email: billf13019@aol.com
PC Model year: 89
Bought Used/New: new
Modifications made to bike: Honda radio & tall windshield, Corbin seat.


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:34:57 -0800

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:34:57 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: HEY HANS!

if NEW PC's are that much over there, how much do the used ones go
for???????   I'll sell mine if the price is right.


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 05:44:34 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-19 10:45:58 EST, slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
writes:

>_I_ know who does most of the work....  If your bosses don't appreciate you,
>go "dumb" on 'em for a week or so.  They'll get the hint!

Steve,

Not in my firm they don't (at least my firm till December 31 -- I move then).
 Some people's egos are so big that they don't recognize anything that they
don't do as work.  Such people have no respect for support staff or the
amount of time it takes them to do their work properly.  Perhaps it is
because I type that I recognize how long it takes to insert edits in a large
document, for example.  Most of my partners don't, and, as a result, expect
the impossible.



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 05:44:33 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Silence?

In a message dated 95-11-19 04:31:45 EST, dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
writes:

>steve's brother is Dave, not bill..and he's a musician....and the bikes DO

Dave,

OOOPS, sorry about that!



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 06:56:31 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Help parts info.

In a message dated 95-11-22 14:28:49 EST, pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
writes:

>Anybody willing to help find me the price for the mirror in the US?  Then 
>I can mail order one.  Thanks in advanced!

I paid $38.00 US for a replacement mirror glass.  That seems to be about the
going price.

I hope this helps.


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:12:38 -0800

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:12:38 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Silence?

Glad that at least you recognize their value, even if your soon to be ex-
partners don't.  If all the support staff went "dumb" at once, they'd be
amazed.  Just let'em try to run the office themselves....

Hope your new digs are low-stress and profitable :)


>Steve,
>
>Not in my firm they don't (at least my firm till December 31 -- I move then).
> Some people's egos are so big that they don't recognize anything that they
>don't do as work.  Such people have no respect for support staff or the
>amount of time it takes them to do their work properly.  Perhaps it is
>because I type that I recognize how long it takes to insert edits in a large
>document, for example.  Most of my partners don't, and, as a result, expect
>the impossible.
>
>
>
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:06 +0100
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: Re: European PC800 drivers

Hi Juan,

>A lot of us have heard of Bigfoo...er  ,   a Blue PC sold in France.  Have
>you ever seen one?

Nope, I'll ask around if there's more info on that PC.

>Does Honda Europe sell bolt-on pontoons for the PC in the Netherlands?  : - )
Great marketing idea! Unfortunately Honda Europe does not want to do anything
related to the PC. Their policy is: we don't support it, go buy a Pan European
(ST 1100). Nice bike, but costs $6000 more than the PC.
>
>>I had a strange problem this summer, I believe it has something to do with
>>the type of fuel we have. We only have 98 and 95 octane fuel, the PC runs best
>>with 95 IMHO. After using 98 for some time it got some sort of hickups and 
>>lack of power.
>
>Sounds like you got a bad batch of gasoline, maybe water? 
Ha ha, is this a joke relating to our weather? :)

>>one of your bike) Once I drove almost 125 mph over there, but that is not one
>
>How long did you maintain that speed?  Any idea what you fuel consumption
>was on that rip?
Indeed rip, yes.
Like Kent noted in a message, around 35 mpg. (1 litre per 15 km) Normal fuel
consumption is around 47 mpg. (1 litre per 20 km) I'm afraid I'll have to get 
used to miles, gallons and so... Keeps dust from the calculator.


Regards, Hans Looman.



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:00 +0100
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: Re: HEY DAVE!

Hi Dave,

>if NEW PC's are that much over there, how much do the used ones go
>for???????   I'll sell mine if the price is right.
>

Used PC800's with around 30k miles sell for about $9000,- over here.
A little (big) problem is BPM tax. Since several years we have to pay 
BPM tax on cars and motorcycles, also on used ones. This tax is calculated
over the catalog price of the bike or car in the year it was build (eg 1989).
I don't know the exact formula but it varies between 20 and 40%. 
The outcome is the 100% BPM amount. Every month the bike is older than new
you can subtract 1%. So your bike should be more than 8 years old to sell it
without anybody having to pay BPM tax. The $9000,- mentioned above includes
BPM, so you can calculate the price you'll get for your PC (if you're still 
in that mood after this depressing story )
If I want to buy a used PC in the USA I have to pay BPM tax and probably BTW
(VAT) tax on top of the American price. :-(

Maybe it is interesting to take your PC apart and sell it as loose pieces.
I think that could be a way to avoid BPM. I don't know how to get a license
plate for loose pieces though...

Regards, Hans Looman.

PS What kind of seat do you have for your Helldog? :)



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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:24:43 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: What is the best all around bike mag? 

I have not been following road bikes for many years and was wondering which
mags were of most help to you?

Thanks
Rick Fisher
Dentman711@AOL.COM
 
******************************************************************1995 Honda
Pacific Coast 800cc /  1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-)  
*1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 /  Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat
*****************************************************************

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:07:09 -0800

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:07:09 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Re: HEY DAVE!


>
>Used PC800's with around 30k miles sell for about $9000,- over here.

geez hans..what a drag...If the market is good for a used one there, I
suppose it would be worth trying to sell it, assuming I could find a
buyer...any suggusestions on how to go about that?  do the motorcycle shops
there buy used bikes from the states?

we have the same thing in the state I live in (washington) in regards to
the price you pay to get your tag for your vehicle..it's called an 'excise'
tax...basically it's 2% of the value of the car based I believe on the
price it was when it was new...they discount it over a course of 8
yrs....Soooo..every year it runs me about $200 for my tags....

and helldog doesn't ride....yet....


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



 23 Nov 1995 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:20:37 -0800
From: _spain@edsug.com (Harrison Spain)
Subject: Utopia back rest
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I ordered one of the Utopia back rests :-).  When it arrives and I've had a
chance to install it and use it for a few days, I'll post the results.

Since I've not heard back, I assume I'm on new ground here :-).

 |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
 |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
 |    EDS Unigraphics         | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com  |
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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Help parts info.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 95 9:37:47 WST

Hi Johan!
 
> What a bummer Philips!  I called the local dealer on this side.  He said the
> price for just the mirror is US$47.  They don't stock it but it takes them 2
> days to get it.  I don't know if being closer to you makes a difference in
> shipping but I'm in California so holler if you want me to pick on up for
> you.

Thanks for the offer!  I really appreciated.  Actually I deal with the Milpitas
Honda (30 min. driving from San Jose, or 45 min. from San Francisco) before,
with a 25% discount on parts.  I'll talk to them first.  Also I got a quote
yesterday, for the same mirror from Japan by air will cost me $52, deducted
the cost of the mirror after discount ($33), the freight is about $19, and
no risk of broken, since the quote is from another local parts dealer, this
will be my second choice.  Johan, if you interested to talk to guys at
Milpitas Honda, go straight to Andy, the owner, on hondamil@aol.com.

BTW, I just bought a '90 red PC800 from Vancouver BC and now is on its way
to Hong Kong.  It is in a more than excellent condition that I thought it
is a '96 PC800 when I first saw it on showroom floor thro' the Window.  It
comes with a read spoiler, trunk mat, backrest, hookups for electrical vests,
no rust, super clean, only 1 tiny scratch on front lower bumper, fully
serviced with a NEW spare battery from dealer, at Cdn.$7,000, oh yes, I
forget to mentioned the crate is included.  Is this a good deal?

-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Re: European PC800 drivers
	     (from looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman))
	     (at Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:36:06 +0100)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 21:53:01 CST

Hi Hans (Hans Looman), in <9511231536.AA14032@solair1.inter.NL.net> on Nov 23 you wrote:
> 
> >>one of your bike) Once I drove almost 125 mph over there, but that is not one
[...]
> Indeed rip, yes.
> Like Kent noted in a message, around 35 mpg. (1 litre per 15 km) Normal fuel

BTW, you mentioned that you had a stability problem at that speed.
With the suspension changes I have mentioned in the past, you most
likely would not have that difficulty except in a corner with dips
here and there. (i.e. not a relatively smooth surface).  Also, the
PC tends to handle a bit better at those speeds with a little bit of
weight on the rear (with the suspension mods, as the bike is fairly
dangerous at those speeds without them).

If you run across a fork brace for the PC over there, please let
me know about it. I'm still trying to talk someone into making one
for the PC. Unfortunately, it seems as I'm one of a very few riders
who pushes the bike hard enough to need one. :^(

----

And I'll put another plug in here for that Battlaxe. Absolutely
fabulous front tire on the PC...  I spent another day riding
out 'back' a couple of weeks ago. Results: The tire isn't very
susceptible to changes in tire pressure so I'm leaving it at
38psi for hard riding. For the second time out for a 'ride', I
bumped my entry speeds up again another 5 mph after I got a little
more used to how the bike handles now.  The biggest difference is
that I can drop the speed back just a little and completely relax.
The bike doesn't fight itself like it used to and it's pretty
darned smooth dropping it into a formerly difficult corner. The
tension of having to get the rearend 'just so' before pushing the
bike over is gone, since the rear really does follow the front 
around smoothly now.

Just *have* to lower the bars now to give me a little more room
and a little more weight on the front end.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:12:43 -0500
To: Dentman711@aol.com
Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?

On Thu, Nov 23, 1995 12:24:43 PM  at Dentman711@aol.com wrote: 
 
>I have not been following road bikes for many years and was wondering
which 
>mags were of most help to you? 
 
 
 
Motorcycle Consumer News.  The "Consumer Reports" of motorcycling.  (By
subscription only.) 
 
 
 
ps:  Happy Thanksgiving all!


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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:42:41 -0500
From: WalkerI@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: removal

No offense, but could someone tell me how to remove myself from this mailing
list? I forgot. Thanks!


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: 30% discount on parts
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 9:37:51 WST

Hi all!

Finally I made the Milpitas Honda setup a 30% discount for me on parts and
any purchase, and I think Andy, the owner of Milpitas Honda also wish to
offer the same discount to you netters, and they're quite handy to reach,

       just mail to : hondamil@aol.com

I have no connection with this dealer except a relation between customer
and supplier.


-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:34:57 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Misc. Stuff

I'm trying to put together a list of coming events to go in our club
newsletter.  I can't seem to find the dates for Daytona bike week '96.  Will
someone tell me?

I was looking through some 1991 'Rider' magazines, and saw some ads for a ONE
wheel trailer for motorcycles.  I haven't seen any recent ads, and was
wondering if anyone bought one and if so what they thought of it. (And how
the heck it would attach to a motorcycle !!!).

Also from the older magazines, a company called Cycle Sound made some sound
systems etc for motorcycles.  Are they still around?  If so , what's their
address and/or phone number ?

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:09:53 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?

At 12:24 PM 11/23/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I have not been following road bikes for many years and was wondering which
>mags were of most help to you?

Best all around?  Hmmmm... this will open a can of worms.  I currently get
Motorcyclist, Rider, CycleWorld and Motorcycle Consumer News, American
Motorcyclist (AMA) and the Star Review (HSTA)  (and when they were still in
print, Cycle and Cycle Guide).  If I could only get two - off the newstand -
, they would be Motorcyclist and MCN.  Only one? MCN, definitely.  Good luck!

Juan

________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:11:32 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Utopia back rest

At 10:20 AM 11/23/95 -0800, you wrote:
>I ordered one of the Utopia back rests :-).  When it arrives and I've had a
>chance to install it and use it for a few days, I'll post the results.
>
>Since I've not heard back, I assume I'm on new ground here :-).

I'm not sure wether I want to hear all the gory details or not... What the
heck, include everything, even the cutting parts.  : - )

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:45:52 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Misc. Stuff

>I was looking through some 1991 'Rider' magazines, and saw some ads for a ONE
>wheel trailer for motorcycles.  I haven't seen any recent ads, and was
>wondering if anyone bought one and if so what they thought of it. (And how
>the heck it would attach to a motorcycle !!!).

Don't know if they still make/sell it, but I remember it well.  The "Cyle
Burro" they use to call it.  I was intrigued by this concept, until I
visualized myself trying to catch the bike from falling if I lost my balance
at a stop, with the added weight of the trailer (since the trailer leans
with the bike)  No thanks!  I suspect the atachment is via two rods, one
allows the trailer to hinge side to side, the other one up and down.

There is an issue of MCN I believe, back when they were still called Road
Rider,  that showed a picture of a VFR towing a pickup truck toolbox, the
kind that fits against the side of the bed, with a portion of it over the
wheel well, sort of like this:

        |--------------------------------|
        |                                          |        (side view)
        |---------------\                     |
                               \                   |
                                 \                 |
                                   \------------|


Anyway, that rider fit a tubular frame underneath the box, following the
contours and put an 8" wheel & tire with shocks from a minibike in the
"open" area.  Looked pretty slick and it probably didn't weigh more than
30-35 lbs empty.  I'm still debating if I should hack up my toolbox like
that... Oh well, still have 6 months to think about it.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:56:30 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: European PC800 drivers


>>>I had a strange problem this summer, I believe it has something to do with
>>>the type of fuel we have. We only have 98 and 95 octane fuel, the PC runs
best
>>>with 95 IMHO. After using 98 for some time it got some sort of hickups and 
>>>lack of power.
>>
>>Sounds like you got a bad batch of gasoline, maybe water? 
>Ha ha, is this a joke relating to our weather? :)

Ummm... no, no joke (the one about the pontoons was, though ; - )  It really
sounds like you had some water mixed with that tank of gas.  Here is a tip:
if you see a tanker truck re-filling the undeground tanks at a petrol
station, keep on driving to the next one.  When they refill those tanks, all
the water and assorted junk that lies at the bottom gets stirred up, and
pumped right into your tank! (of course, you probably already knew this).
Later.


Juan

________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:00:21 -0700
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson)

Hi to all, and thanks to several of you who offered a welcome to me, and
commented on my trip descriptions.

I'm enjoying the notes in pc800, although I must admit to being almost
overwhelmed by 10-20 additional messages every day! This is certainly an
incredible way to communicate. I'm a bit new to the listserver concept, but
getting it figured out.

So let me offer a welcome to our Dutch colleagues. Many years ago I spent a
delightful couple of weeks in your country, visiting a farm family in
Enschede. My host also took me on a marvelous driving tour of Holland,
which I still remember with pleasure.

My mother's maternal grandparents were born in Bruinisse, emigrated to this
country, and became fishermen on Great South Bay, off Long Island in New
York State.

I live in the American Southwest; Tucson, Arizona, in the Upper Sonoran
Desert. My home is about 60 miles from the Mexican border. For that matter,
I took a two day ride last week, on my '89 PC 800, to Organ Pipe National
Monument, which is right on the border. Much of the ride was through the
Tohono O'odam Indian reservation, a bit over 500 square miles of amazing
and beautiful vistas of mountains and deserts, almost unpopulated. I'm sure
it would seem strange indeed to you. I remember Holland as being quite
crowded, with every square foot of land carefully utilized.

Let me add how impressed I am with your remarkable facility with English.

Should you have the time, I would love to hear more about Holland and your
motorcycle trips. And should you ever get to the States, please head for
the Southwest so that I may show you this part of the world.

Warm regards-

Ed Johnson








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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:17:12 -0500
From: TexxBob@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC 800 Registry

Name: Robert N. Dixon
Location: Houston, TX
EMail: bob_dixon@bmc.com
Bought: new 1990 Model in October 1992
Modifications: Corbin Seat


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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:31:24 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Blue PC in France

Juan:
<<A lot of us have heard of Bigfoo...er  ,   a Blue PC sold in France.  Have
you ever seen one?>>

Don't trust me, eh? I'm the one who reported seeing light metallic blue PCs
in Paris last year. Beautiful. I suppose there's a chance that I saw the same
custom-painted bike two or three times, but it is a pretty big city...


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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:30:38 -0500
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite grips for long rides?

Dentman:
<<My PC has foam grips but they seem to large for my large hands. I feel like
it's a strain to grip them because they are so large. I don't know what brand
they are. They look similar to the Grab on brand.

Thanks>>

That's funny. I'm looking for some large foam grips because it's a strain for
me to hold the stock grips because they are too small. I actually think I'm
developing carpal tunnel syndrome in my right palm.

Any suggestions? Thanks as always.

<<Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmet.>>


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 08:58:58 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: ("Juan_A._Goula")_jgoula@ims.alaska.edu
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?         



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/27/95 09:00 ##
I agree with your choices.
Roger


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From: ("Juan A. Goula") jgoula@ims.alaska.edu:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/25/95 14:09 ##
At 12:24 PM 11/23/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I have not been following road bikes for many years and was wondering which
>mags were of most help to you?

Best all around?  Hmmmm... this will open a can of worms.  I currently get
Motorcyclist, Rider, CycleWorld and Motorcycle Consumer News, American
Motorcyclist (AMA) and the Star Review (HSTA)  (and when they were still in
print, Cycle and Cycle Guide).  If I could only get two - off the newstand -
, they would be Motorcyclist and MCN.  Only one? MCN, definitely.  Good luck!

Juan

________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________





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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:56:32 -0500
From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?

I think Motorcycle Consumer News (used to be Road Rider) gives the best
overall info.  It doesn't accept any advertising; so, it doesn't have to suck
up to the manufacturers as badly as the other mags do.

JT

 27 Nov 1995 10:01:42 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:01:23 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Favorite grips for long rides?
 (at Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:30:38 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <951126213035_34808159@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Nov 26 you wrote:

> That's funny. I'm looking for some large foam grips because it's a strain for
> me to hold the stock grips because they are too small. I actually think I'm
> developing carpal tunnel syndrome in my right palm.
> 
> Any suggestions? Thanks as always.

I was developing CTS a few years back. You might want to get
some information on how to prevent it...  One thing is to try
to keep your hand parallel to your forearm. I.e., don't bend it
back when riding or working the keyboard. With the changes I made
to my environment, I finally got rid of my CTS problem.

As to grips, the foam ones never worked well for me. I use a grip
such as the 'Superbike' grips which have fairly large isolated 
'blocks' of soft rubber and then use a padded glove and change the
grips every couple of years when the rubber starts hardening. The
padded glove is mainly because there are no grips made which are
large enough for my hands. I usually ride with a pair of my gel-
padded bicycle gloves during the summer as they are the most 
comfortable for me.  

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:17:52 -0600
          Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:17:29 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Gasoline "SMELL"  and Temp reading

Was there a final solution to the fuel vapor smell problem disscussed a few
months back?   I think I am starting to notice a gas smell when I park the
bike in the garage, close the door and come back in a few minutes. (17000
miles on the clock)

Also where do water temperature gauges run on group members PC'S at normal
riding conditions.  (Going down the road at say 60 MPH).   Mine has always
read about to or slightly above the begining of the long line .  This has
always seemed low to me.  Would like to get some others experiences (comments)  

Thanks,
Waldo
GSU



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Gasoline "SMELL"  and Temp reading
	     (from "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>)
	     (at Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:17:52 -0600)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 10:30:46 CST

Hi Waldo (Waldo  E. Meeks), in <9511271617.AA18309@hpc.uh.edu> on Nov 27 you wrote:

> Was there a final solution to the fuel vapor smell problem disscussed a few
> months back?   I think I am starting to notice a gas smell when I park the
> bike in the garage, close the door and come back in a few minutes. (17000
> miles on the clock)

Check your vacuum petcock for a leak. Also, someone mentioned that
one or more of their fuel vapor recovery hose(s) was loose if I
remember correctly, so check your hose clamps.

> Also where do water temperature gauges run on group members PC'S at normal
> riding conditions.  (Going down the road at say 60 MPH).   Mine has always
> read about to or slightly above the begining of the long line .  This has
> always seemed low to me.  Would like to get some others experiences (comments)  

Same.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date:     Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:55 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Blue PC in France

Juan:
><<A lot of us have heard of Bigfoo...er  ,   a Blue PC sold in France.  Have
>you ever seen one?>>

>Don't trust me, eh? I'm the one who reported seeing light metallic blue PCs
>in Paris last year. Beautiful. I suppose there's a chance that I saw the same
>custom-painted bike two or three times, but it is a pretty big city...

I remember someone here or in some other forum saying that they saw a blue
one on a showroom floor in Paris.  Wonder what color the bottom is?

Cory

From owner-pc800  Mon Nov 27 11:31:30 1995

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:31:21 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: PC 800 Registry

At 03:17 PM 11/26/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Name: Robert N. Dixon
>Location: Houston, TX
>EMail: bob_dixon@bmc.com
>Bought: new 1990 Model in October 1992
>Modifications: Corbin Seat


Welcome Robert!
I bought my new 1990 in June 1992.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


Comments: Authenticated sender is <jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com>

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From: "John Palfery" <jpalfer@atw.fullfeed.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date:          Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:41:10 +0000
Subject:       Re: Gasoline "SMELL"  and Temp reading
Priority: normal

 Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute wrote

> > Also where do water temperature gauges run on group members PC'S at normal
> > riding conditions.  (Going down the road at say 60 MPH).   Mine has always
> > read about to or slightly above the begining of the long line .  This has
> > always seemed low to me.  Would like to get some others experiences (comments)  
> 
My 94 PC typically runs at the same low temp when cruising at 60 - 65 
down the freeway.  However as soon as we hit traffic it climbs fairly 
rapidly, particularly in stop and go traffic.  It takes about 5 
minutes of this type of driving for the temp guage to read in the 
middle to upper part of the range and the cooling fan to cycle on and 
off about every two minutes with ambient temps in the 70F or so.

I thought it was kind of low but the cooling system does not have too 
much capacity so maybe that's why it appears to be sensitive.  It 
also depends where the sensing unit is located( in the radiator I 
believe) so maybe the engine is running at a faily consistent (and
correctly designed ) temp and the temp indicator is only a reflection
of the cooling air flow and the ambient temp. 

Hope this does not sound too technical --
John
________________________________________________________
John Palfery               jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:24:02 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Colors


You may not believe this but the following is from the '89-'96 ufiche.
      
           Color Table (Seems to be just a list of colors)
Painted:  White, Black, Scarlet, Royal Blue, Dark Blue, Maruem Blue,
          Ivory Yellow, Dark Silver, Metallic Silver, Primer, Chrome.
Vinyl:    Black, Blue, Light Blue, Scarlet, Dark Rose, Elephant Gray &
          Ivory, White, Ivory.
     Each has an associated alpha code.
 
The front fender fiche lists Pacific White, Candy Glory Red, Black-Z 
(of course it can't be plain old BLACK), Magna Red.  Another place it 
lists: Pearl pacific white, the other colors are the same as above.
 
Another chart - 
     TYPE 1    Pearl Pacific white/Ocean gray metallic
     TYPE 3    Candy glory red-U/Silver metallic
     TYPE 5    BLACK-Z/Dark gray metallic
     TYPE 6    Magna red/Karakorum gray metallic-U
Another section calls out "GRIFFIN GRAY" for the 0,4,5yrs.
The meter shelter is either Atlantic gray or mat black. 




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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 13:31:54 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Forwarded: Re: PC 800 Registry                              



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/27/95 13:33 ##
Welcome, Robert.  Wish I had your weather.
I bought my new 1990 in March 1992.
Roger
 


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From: ("Juan A. Goula") jgoula@ims.alaska.edu:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/27/95 08:31 ##
At 03:17 PM 11/26/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Name: Robert N. Dixon
>Location: Houston, TX
>EMail: bob_dixon@bmc.com
>Bought: new 1990 Model in October 1992
>Modifications: Corbin Seat


Welcome Robert!
I bought my new 1990 in June 1992.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________





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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:18:20 TZ
Subject: RE: Gasoline "SMELL"  and Temp reading



Regarding the temp guage my '89 runs about .25 up the scale.

I did have a period of about 6 months with the bike warming very 
slowly, the temp guage barely moving,  and the carburation wasn't too 
good.  At first I attributed it to cooler weather (30-40's) but finally 
convinced myself It must be a bad thermostat.  I tore the bike down 
(complete front fairing removal is required - yuck!) and sure enough 
the thermostat was stuck wide open.  Mileage and spirit improved 
dramatically afterwards.

-bryceu




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:39:22 TZ
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?



I'm with Juan and Roger's recomendations.  Maybe we should try for a 
group discount!  <grin>

Motorcyclist magazine is the office publication of the American 
Motorycle Association (AMA).  Join the AMA and you'll get the mag.

One other I would add is Motorcycle Tour and Travel.  As the name 
suggests it's touring intensive but isn't brand or model specific.  
Harleys, Wings, Ventures, and sport-touring bikes get equal shake in the mag.

-bryceu
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From: "Juan A. Goula"  <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?
Date: Saturday, November 25, 1995 2:09PM

At 12:24 PM 11/23/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I have not been following road bikes for many years and was wondering which
>mags were of most help to you?

Best all around?  Hmmmm... this will open a can of worms.  I currently get
Motorcyclist, Rider, CycleWorld and Motorcycle Consumer News, American
Motorcyclist (AMA) and the Star Review (HSTA)  (and when they were still in
print, Cycle and Cycle Guide).  If I could only get two - off the newstand -
, they would be Motorcyclist and MCN.  Only one? MCN, definitely.  Good luck!

Juan

________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:45:16 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:45:16 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Gasoline "SMELL"  and Temp reading

waldo..my bike runs a little to the right of center on the temp gauge
during warm months...and I have the gas smeel too.


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:45:34 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:45:34 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

bryce, (et.all)

I notice my oil light flickering, and after checking the oil IT WAS DRY!.
Haven't noticed any leaks on the driveway or the sidewalk where I park, but
after taking it to S.C.C. for an oil change, they shined the light in the
fairing, and I apparently have a slow gasket leak somewhere!!!  I've only
got 23k on the bike....and they want $400 to fix it.  They suggested I
de-gunk the thing to clean it up and keep and eye on it and the oil level
every week for a month or so...anyone else had this???

and, anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies?  My hands
are just too damn cold all the time.



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Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:58:11 TZ
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK



Ouch on the estimate but I can believe it.  Major labor intensive to 
get to the simplist of things buried on the bike.  I say check the oil 
all the time and see how fast it's dropping.  They may have said bad 
gasket simply becuase they couldn't explain the oil usage.  You know, 
if the drain hole bolt was leaking you may never detect it.  The oil 
would be dripping on the tailpipe and burn off.  Now that it's been 
retightened that scenario would probable resolve itself.  Watch it and 
see what happens I guess.

On the hot grips I may soon try out the hot wraps that go around the 
grips.  I've got a couple of things on my buy list that I'll get to 
once I find some time to work in the garage instead of the office.  
I've got some cracking the front fairing I need to glue, some rewiring, 
etc. etc.  I NEED some tool time!

-bryceu
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From: David Gross  <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK
Date: Monday, November 27, 1995 2:45PM

bryce, (et.all)

I notice my oil light flickering, and after checking the oil IT WAS DRY!.
Haven't noticed any leaks on the driveway or the sidewalk where I park, but
after taking it to S.C.C. for an oil change, they shined the light in the
fairing, and I apparently have a slow gasket leak somewhere!!!  I've only
got 23k on the bike....and they want $400 to fix it.  They suggested I
de-gunk the thing to clean it up and keep and eye on it and the oil level
every week for a month or so...anyone else had this???

and, anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies?  My hands
are just too damn cold all the time.



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Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."





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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:34:41 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

At 02:45 PM 11/27/95 -0800, you wrote:
>bryce, (et.all)
>
>I notice my oil light flickering, and after checking the oil IT WAS DRY!.
>Haven't noticed any leaks on the driveway or the sidewalk where I park, but
>after taking it to S.C.C. for an oil change, they shined the light in the
>fairing, and I apparently have a slow gasket leak somewhere!!!  I've only
>got 23k on the bike....and they want $400 to fix it.  They suggested I
>de-gunk the thing to clean it up and keep and eye on it and the oil level
>every week for a month or so...anyone else had this?

I'm paranoid about the oil level, so I check it quite frequently.  I griped
about how hard it is to tell
what the oil level is during a ride (vs. checking it first thing in the
morning) in a previous message.
I still wish the PC had an oil level window instead of a dipstick .
Something like the R1100RT has (read: BIG). Doesn't have to be fancy like
the one on the NR750 (with an internal wiper!) : - )

>and, anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies?  My hands
>are just too damn cold all the time.

I have them installed on my bike and my wife's.  Worth every penny.  My wife
still thanks me after two seasons, everytime we go for a ride in cool
weather.  Installation is not easy, but worth the trouble.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:38:22 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

>Now that it's been 
>retightened that scenario would probable resolve itself.  Watch it and 
>see what happens I guess.

I agree.

>On the hot grips I may soon try out the hot wraps that go around the 
>grips.  I've got a couple of things on my buy list that I'll get to 
>once I find some time to work in the garage instead of the office.  

I believe MCN tested them, didn't like them much.  Tell us what you think.

>I've got some cracking the front fairing I need to glue, some rewiring, 
>etc. etc.  I NEED some tool time!

Move up here!  You'll get all the tool time you need.  : - )
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:41:02 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?

At 02:39 PM 11/27/95 +0000, you wrote:

>Motorcyclist magazine is the office publication of the American 
>Motorycle Association (AMA).  Join the AMA and you'll get the mag.

Please note:    _American_ Motorcyclist is the AMA mag.
Motorcyclist is a different mag.

>One other I would add is Motorcycle Tour and Travel.  As the name 
>suggests it's touring intensive but isn't brand or model specific.  
>Harleys, Wings, Ventures, and sport-touring bikes get equal shake in the mag.

Yep, forgot about that one.  Comes out 4-6 times a year, I buy it every now
and then.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: HONDALINE tall windshield
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 8:44:44 WST


Hi Pacific Coasters!

Just got a quote from Milpitas Honda, a HONDALINE tall windshield costs
$189.75, the price seems not bad but I didn't check with other dealers,
how much did you pay for yours?

p.s. my new .sig following, after getting one more PC800, a candy red one
     with a beautiful trunk spoiler.
-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Wow!         *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone *
  *                  Aux. Police      '90 HONDA PC800 red   <-- Little Wing  *
  *      101177 <-- GWRRA #                Yeh I got a real wing at rear     *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :      HONDA CBX750       <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir,       YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike *
  *       your obedient servant!"         YAMA SR250         <-- Police junk *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. *
  ****************************************************************************

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:37:10 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:37:10 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

sounds like a plan..I'll keep a good eye on it the next month or so, after
I clean the engine off...seems like the only oil on the engine was on the
right side, not near the bottom..

Bryce....how much beer to help install hot grips???  hehehehe  :>)
and stop working so much.

::;buying extra lotto tix this week...bmw in my dreams::: LOL


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Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:41:43 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Motorcycle trailer? What do you think?


Hello all
I have been reading about these home brewed trailers and thought I would add
my 2 cents worth.
I have a wholesale only motorcycle catalog that shows a trailer for an ATV 4
wheeler. It can be bought in parts or in whole. The brand is Husky Hauler. 

Dimensions:
62"L x 30"W x 15"H
40 cubic feet or 80 gallons
16" dia. 4.8x8" wheels
Total weight 85lbs
1000lbs load capacity ( I don't think we'll have a problem towing that much
right?)
$326 without cover

Accessories:
Steel swivel hitch assy. for ATV & Snowmobile  $36
400 Danier cover stretch cord for snug fit  $36
tub only  $126

These prices are retail as listed in this catalog. I can order these at my
dealer cost for $228.00 plus frieght. I would be willing to help anyone in
the PC800 group who might want one. It looks like a good way to haul.
However, I have never used a trailer and it may NOT be. I don't know enough
about towing or the trailer to be certain. The capacity and tire sizing would
lead me to believe that it would suit our needs.

I really enjoyed reading about the rides everyones benn taking. I will be
heading out for a day ride with my wife on our 1995 PC800. I have logged 400
miles so far and haven't ridden in 8-9 years ( on the street). I will
probably cruise up highway 50 North to Tims Ford Lake (TNN) then on further
North to Sewanne Campus and perhaps I-24 to highway 72 South through
Scottsboro (AL) and on back home (North of Huntsville, AL).

Catch Ya'll later.....


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:06:45 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
tank. 

Thanks PCers

Rick Fisher
Dentman711@AOL.COM
 
***************************************************************
**1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /  1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-)  
**1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 /  Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat
***************************************************************


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:06:37 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Temp gauge

My 1995 is barely over the start of the long line at 70F and 50-65mph two-up
riding. Below 70F it just touches the long line. Normally gauges are designed
to read arrow verticle. However, I have noticed many gauges today do not
follow that rule. I do know that the needle should never peg the gauge. It
can move up to 7/8 of the "swing" during taxing conditions and be acceptable.


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:10:06 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Aim high output lights?

Are the PC owners who wrote to say they installed 55/100 lights reaiming
these? I ran the other night with my stock on high beam and received several
objections from on comers.

Rick Fisher
Dentman711@AOL.COM
 
*****************************************************************
*1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /  1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-)  
*1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 /  Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat
*****************************************************************


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 11:17:59 WST

  
> I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC?

The owner manual says there're no reserve gas.

> I filled it up from E
> and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her?

But it goes down rapidly to E after the first 75 miles with half tank of gas
remained.  A full tank of gas lasts 150 miles for my '90 PC800, so you better
get a good use of the trip meter.

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Wow!         *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone *
  *                  Aux. Police      '90 HONDA PC800 red   <-- Little Wing  *
  *      101177 <-- GWRRA #                Yeh I got a real wing at rear     *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :      HONDA CBX750       <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir,       YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike *
  *       your obedient servant!"         YAMA SR250         <-- Police junk *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. *
  ****************************************************************************

 27 Nov 1995 21:30:15 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:29:45 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?
 (from Dentman711@aol.com) (at Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:06:45 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Dentman711 (Dentman711), in <951127220644_36067259@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Nov 27 you wrote:

> I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
> and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
> tank. 

I'm pretty sure that 4.2 gallons is what the tank holds up to the 
bottom of the filler neck.

On the PC's that I know about, '4.2 gallons empty' occurs a bit
past the curve in the fuel hose (pump icon) on the fuel gauge. With 
age, mine started 'settling' a bit, such that it went dry about at the
edge of the hose. This summer I bent the sending unit so it now goes
dry just past the tail edge of the red bar. I pretty much have my
PC's distance/mileage figured out under normal conditions and have
coasted into gas stations 5 times now :^)  So far have only had to 
push the bike 1/2 block once. :^)  Only one other time did the PC
go belly up - on Angeles Crest.  I passed up the last gas stop,
thinking I could make it the remaining 40 miles to the next...
Missed it by 5 miles.  The Crest was just too much fun to bring out
of the red and make that fuel stop. Yes, it was worth it and I had
a big smile on my face when the carbs went dry. :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
	     (from Dentman711@aol.com)
	     (at Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:10:06 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 21:33:02 CST

Hi Dentman711 (Dentman711), in <951127220654_36067582@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Nov 27 you wrote:

> Are the PC owners who wrote to say they installed 55/100 lights reaiming
> these? I ran the other night with my stock on high beam and received several
> objections from on comers.

Many PC's come with the high beam pointing at the treetops. Mine did.
There are two adjustment screws (vert. and horiz.) hidden on the back
of the white plastic headlight housing.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:48:17 TZ
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?



The adjustment screws are along the lower edge of the light.  They're 
round holes about an inch deep.  At the bottom of a hole isn't a screw 
but the teath of what looks like gear.  Takes some patience to adjust.

I went outside on a flat street and aimed the headlight to my personal 
taste.  I had to bring the light WAY down from it's original setting.

I've never been flashed by an oncoming driver with the low beam of 80 
watts.  The 100 high however hurts so I'm careful to hit the switch 
when anybody is coming.  Daytime I typically run high beam though.

-bryceu



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:10:04 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:10:04 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

yeah...I get about 150-175 per tank...I have let it get past the red on E
tho...didn't think I'd make the entire Mt. Rainer loop..hehe.....filled up
and got 3.6 gallons in it...

''''''waiting for a sale at Corbin''''''''


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



Comments: Authenticated sender is <mskeller@mail.ionet.net>

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From: "Michael S. Keller" <mskeller@ionet.net>
To: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross), pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:27:26 -0600
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?
Priority: normal

> yeah...I get about 150-175 per tank...I have let it get past the red
> on E tho...didn't think I'd make the entire Mt. Rainer
> loop..hehe.....filled up and got 3.6 gallons in it...

The latest MCN tells of a gentleman who completed the Iron Butt Rally 
on a Helix. He had a NASCAR 5-gallon fuel cell attached to the thing 
to increase his range. But where to put one on a PC?

-Michael [AB5EL]
 mskeller@ionet.net


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Date:     Mon, 27 Nov 1995 21:49 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Aim high output lights?

Rick F wrote:

>Are the PC owners who wrote to say they installed 55/100 lights reaiming
>these? I ran the other night with my stock on high beam and received several
>objections from on comers.

Never touched mine.  Just put in the new bulb and took off.  My comment to 
my MSF students when we talk about this is as follows:  "I do my best not to 
blind anyone at night.  During the day time I don't care.  If they are
at a bit of inconvenience at all it's only for a few seconds, and hey, at
least they saw me, isn't that what it's all about?"

Cory

From owner-pc800  Tue Nov 28 01:39:14 1995
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:39:03 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:39:03 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

Rick, 

I've gotten around 155-160 miles without running dry.  My brother rode on
"E" most of the way down the east side of Mount Rainier, but I don't
remember the total miles...

>I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
>and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
>tank. 
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:39:01 -0800

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:39:01 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

Bryce,

If MS would make stuff that works, you wouldn't get all them darn calls, &
could concentrate on the important stuff, like fixing your bike!  :)


  I've got a couple of things on my buy list that I'll get to 
>once I find some time to work in the garage instead of the office.  
>I've got some cracking the front fairing I need to glue, some rewiring, 
>etc. etc.  I NEED some tool time!
>
>-bryceu
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 07:34:22 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (David_Gross)_dkgross@halcyon.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK                                



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/28/95 07:36 ##
I have a set of the wrap-on heaters for the hand grips.  They are 
still in the bag and never installed.  I paid around $35 for them a 
few years ago.  If anybody is interested let me know.
I'm always amazed at what I come across in my cellar.  Mention it and 
I may have it.  I once sold a 1983 V45 Sabre as a throw-in to $1500
worth of spares and accessories.  He traded it for a Harley!
Roger


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From: (David Gross) dkgross@halcyon.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/27/95 14:45 ##
bryce, (et.all)

I notice my oil light flickering, and after checking the oil IT WAS DRY!.
Haven't noticed any leaks on the driveway or the sidewalk where I park, but
after taking it to S.C.C. for an oil change, they shined the light in the
fairing, and I apparently have a slow gasket leak somewhere!!!  I've only
got 23k on the bike....and they want $400 to fix it.  They suggested I
de-gunk the thing to clean it up and keep and eye on it and the oil level
every week for a month or so...anyone else had this???

and, anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies?  My hands
are just too damn cold all the time.



------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."






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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:39:19 -0600
          Tue, 28 Nov 1995 7:39:17 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: HONDALINE tall windshield

At 08:44 AM 11/28/95 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Hi Pacific Coasters!
>
>Just got a quote from Milpitas Honda, a HONDALINE tall windshield costs
>$189.75, the price seems not bad but I didn't check with other dealers,
>how much did you pay for yours?

Go with a Rifle windshield system.  I think you would be MUCH more satisfied.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:43:05 -0600
          Tue, 28 Nov 1995 7:43:03 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

At 10:06 PM 11/27/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
>and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
>tank. 

I was not satisfied with the gauge reading empty when I had plenty of gas left.

I adjusted (bent) the fuel gauge sending unit arm so that when it reaches
empty I know I have about 1/2 gallon left.  Anyone wanting details of the
process I will be glad to supply.  Process is really very simple.

Waldo
GSU



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 07:44:36 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (David_Gross)_dkgross@halcyon.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK                                



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/28/95 07:46 ##
Both my '90s have leaked oil.  Never on the ground but after 99k 
miles the present one's engine is a blob of oil.  I know other 
people's who have also seeped oil.  I suspect if you go far enough 
under the covers many of you will find oil on the engine.
When I am on a trip I expect to add about 1/2qt of oil 1500mi after 
an oil change.  Both my '90s have been consistent in this respect.
And the oil consumption has been fairly consistent right from the 
start, not an aging/wear thing.  I use synthetic blends, which I have 
heard people say is consumed more readily than straight petroleum.  
Any comments on that?  I use Golden Spectro 10w40 or Honda HP4 10w40.
I have also used Mobil1 15w50 a couple times.  I heard from Mike 
Baldwin at Spectro that Mobil1 has a motorcycle blend of Mobil1 in 
Europe because the regular was resulting in premature cam wear.
Roger


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From: (David Gross) dkgross@halcyon.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/27/95 14:45 ##
bryce, (et.all)

I notice my oil light flickering, and after checking the oil IT WAS DRY!.
Haven't noticed any leaks on the driveway or the sidewalk where I park, but
after taking it to S.C.C. for an oil change, they shined the light in the
fairing, and I apparently have a slow gasket leak somewhere!!!  I've only
got 23k on the bike....and they want $400 to fix it.  They suggested I
de-gunk the thing to clean it up and keep and eye on it and the oil level
every week for a month or so...anyone else had this???

and, anyone else have experience with those HOT GRIP thingies?  My hands
are just too damn cold all the time.



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 07:47:36 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (David_Gross)_dkgross@halcyon.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK                            



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/28/95 07:49 ##
How much oil did it take to bring the level up to where it should be?
Roger


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From: (David Gross) dkgross@halcyon.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/27/95 18:37 ##
sounds like a plan..I'll keep a good eye on it the next month or so, after
I clean the engine off...seems like the only oil on the engine was on the
right side, not near the bottom..

Bryce....how much beer to help install hot grips???  hehehehe  :>)
and stop working so much.

::;buying extra lotto tix this week...bmw in my dreams::: LOL


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."






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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 07:56:32 est
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (Bryce_Ulrich)_bryceu@microsoft.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Re: Aim high output lights?                       



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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 11/28/95 07:58 ##
My experience has been the same as yours after going from the 
original K555s to K177s or ML2s.  The K555 is a higher profile tire 
than the others.  It's strange because K555 and K177 are both Dunlops.
But I guess one is Japan and the other one isn't (K177).  Metzeler 
once told me they copied the physical dimensions of the Dunlop.  It's 
obviously the K177.
The headlight adj isn't too bad with the right Philips head 
scrwedriver and some patience.  My 1987 CBR1000F had similar 
adjusters except they were a scalloped, flat knob that was not easy 
to get at but easy to operate once you got your hand on it.  I have 
never understood why that wasn't used on the PC.  There's no excuse 
for not having a vertical adjuster on the dash on "any" bike that can 
be used for more than one person.
Roger


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From: (Bryce Ulrich) bryceu@microsoft.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 11/27/95 19:48 ##

The adjustment screws are along the lower edge of the light.  They're 
round holes about an inch deep.  At the bottom of a hole isn't a screw 
but the teath of what looks like gear.  Takes some patience to adjust.

I went outside on a flat street and aimed the headlight to my personal 
taste.  I had to bring the light WAY down from it's original setting.

I've never been flashed by an oncoming driver with the low beam of 80 
watts.  The 100 high however hurts so I'm careful to hit the switch 
when anybody is coming.  Daytime I typically run high beam though.

-bryceu






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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:33:18 -0500
From: HTBIII@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Lawyers (was Re: Silence?)

In a message dated 95-11-19 00:21:43 EST, lawyer@pipeline.com (J. Burack)
writes:

>OK, how many of us are in the legal profession? 

ummm, me too.

Tom Byron
htbiii@aol.com



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:48:26 -0800

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:48:26 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Reply to: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK

roger....I also use the Spectro synthetic...I'll be keeping a better eye on
it this month and keep the board apprised..

Not sure how much she put in..I just had her do a whole oil/filter change
thing...she showed me the old stuff and it looked like about two quarts or
so...it was VERY black and smelled wierd...probably was WAY too long
between changes.


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
	     (from Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>)
	     (at Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:48:17 +0000 (TZ))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:48:42 CST

Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in <199511280351.TAA12446@imail1.microsoft.com> on Nov 27 you wrote:

> 
> The adjustment screws are along the lower edge of the light.  They're 
> round holes about an inch deep.  At the bottom of a hole isn't a screw 
> but the teath of what looks like gear.  Takes some patience to adjust.

What motorcycle are you talking about? There are no such adjustments
on the '89 and '90 PC's that I have looked at.  Were they changed
on later models?

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



 28 Nov 1995 09:54:32 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:54:00 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?
 (from slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)) (at Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:39:03 -0800)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Steve (Steve Gross), in <199511280739.AA01707@halcyon.com> on Nov 27 you wrote:

> I've gotten around 155-160 miles without running dry.  My brother rode on

I've gone 240 miles on a tank once. I normally get about 180 to 200 miles
per 4 gallons around town.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Reply to: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK
	     (from dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross))
	     (at Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:48:26 -0800)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:58:37 CST

Hi David (David Gross), in <v01520d01ace07152aabb@[204.57.235.1]> on Nov 28 you wrote:

> Not sure how much she put in..I just had her do a whole oil/filter change
> thing...she showed me the old stuff and it looked like about two quarts or
> so...it was VERY black and smelled wierd...probably was WAY too long
> between changes.

I have used Mobil1 15-50 (South Texas) for almost 50k miles now.
The oil stays quite clean, the engine doesn't 'lose' any oil other
than a very slight weep on the front cyl head gasket, and I
change oil/filter every 3k-5k miles. This is a '90 model PC.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:13:54 -0800

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:13:54 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

>>I've gone 240 miles on a tank once. I normally get about 180 to 200 miles
>per 4 gallons around town.

Kent, you're a better man than I!  When the needle hits E, I get more.  too
darn many hills in Seattle, & I live half way down one of 'em!
***
Steve Gross, Seattle, WA              
Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.
***



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From: "Robert E. Marks" <rmarks@motown.ge.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:11:43 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Aim Headlights & Oil leak

Hi,

My '89 has adjustments for the headlights which I needed to turn quite alot
to aim the lights lower.

My bike is also leaking some oil from the top gasket.  I noticed it a month
ago when I was changing the oil.  I haven't taken the time to uncover the
engine for further inspection yet.  The leak is still pretty slow.  The bike
just turned 20K miles.  (I bought it used 2 years ago, therefore the low
mileage.)

==============================================================================
Robert E. Marks           CAD/CAM S/W development & support
Lockheed Martin           email: rmarks@motown.ge.com
Moorestown, NJ            voice: (609) 722-3777
                          fax:   (609) 722-4410

Comments: Authenticated sender is <mskeller@mail.ionet.net>

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From: "Michael S. Keller" <mskeller@ionet.net>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:52:42 -0600
Subject: OIL LEAK
Priority: normal

> Hi David (David Gross), in <v01520d01ace07152aabb@[204.57.235.1]> on
> Nov 28 you wrote:
> 
> > Not sure how much she put in..I just had her do a whole oil/filter
> > change thing...she showed me the old stuff and it looked like
> > about two quarts or so...it was VERY black and smelled
> > wierd...probably was WAY too long between changes.
> 
> I have used Mobil1 15-50 (South Texas) for almost 50k miles now. The
> oil stays quite clean, the engine doesn't 'lose' any oil other than
> a very slight weep on the front cyl head gasket, and I change
> oil/filter every 3k-5k miles. This is a '90 model PC.
> 
> Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute

I always change the oil & filter together. Also run 3K-5K miles,
both my GL1500 and Ruby's '90 PC800. Mobil 1 15-50 the first few
times. No significant oil loss. I put 10-30 in earlier this month 
(started on Mobil 1 this calendar year) to get easier cold starts. I 
don't expect ambient to exceed 90F for a while. . . .


-Michael [AB5EL]
 mskeller@ionet.net

	with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:58:01 -0700

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:03:54 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  How much gas can a wood chuck chuck? -Reply

The manual is close to correct on the 4.2 but if you go a little higher in the
neck than recommended, you should be able to get another tenth of a
gallon or so.  I posted the folowing a while back as part of a trip report.  

 While burning those two tanks of gas, I watched the gauge and thought
about the discussion that goes on periodically about the PC's gas gauge.
It's not inaccurate, you just have to know how to read it. The first third of
my tank is used up when the needle points straight down (which you
might mistake for half-empty or half-full depending on your personality)!
The next third is used up by the time the needle is just about a needle's
width from the red. The last third of my gas takes the needle through the
red and over to the loop of hose on the pump icon on the left of the
gauge. Once my needle starts its way into the inside of the loop, I am
working into a self imposed 4/10 gallon reserve. 

I figure with my nominal mileage around town of 43 mpg, my .4 gallons
will go almost 20 miles and the liter bottle in the trunk will do another 10 or
better. If I'm not within 30 miles of a fill-up, I have done some serious
miscalculation.





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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:10:29 TZ
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK



I'd be glad to help.  Next week through Christmas is looking pretty 
good most weeknights.  Weekends are hectic though.  Call me at 704-3205 
and we'll set up a good time to do it.

-bryceu
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From: David Gross  <dkgross@halcyon.com>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: RE: HOT GRIPS/OIL LEAK
Date: Monday, November 27, 1995 6:37PM


Bryce....how much beer to help install hot grips???  hehehehe  :>)
and stop working so much.






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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:12:47 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?

In a message dated 95-11-27 17:45:14 EST, bryceu@microsoft.com (Bryce Ulrich)
writes:

>Motorcyclist magazine is the office publication of the American 
>Motorycle Association (AMA).  Join the AMA and you'll get the mag.

I don't think so.  The AMA publication is American Motorcyclist. Motorcyclist
is not affiliated with any particular motorcycle group and is generally
available on newstands everywhere.



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:12:51 -0500
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

In a message dated 95-11-27 22:10:52 EST, Dentman711@aol.com writes:

>I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
>and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
>tank. 

There isn't a reserve in the normal sense. There seems to be at least a
gallon left when mine hits the E on the guage, however.



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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:39:14 TZ
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?



That's odd.  My bike is an '89 and the directions I found in the Honda 
Service Manual for the PC.  My book is for the '89-90 models.

If you were to lay the back of your head on the front fender and look 
up, the holes would be just behind the colored plastic and at the 
left/right corners of the light.  Once is vertical and the other 
horizontal adjustment.

You know, your bike didn't have the adjustable trunk rubbers either.  
Hhmmmmm...

\"/

-bryceu
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From: Kent Polk  <kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 1995 9:48AM

Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in 
<199511280351.TAA12446@imail1.microsoft.com> on Nov 27 you wrote:

>
> The adjustment screws are along the lower edge of the light.  They're
> round holes about an inch deep.  At the bottom of a hole isn't a screw
> but the teath of what looks like gear.  Takes some patience to adjust.

What motorcycle are you talking about? There are no such adjustments
on the '89 and '90 PC's that I have looked at.  Were they changed
on later models?

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu





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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:49:45 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?

At 10:10 PM 11/27/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Are the PC owners who wrote to say they installed 55/100 lights reaiming
>these? I ran the other night with my stock on high beam and received several
>objections from on comers.
>
Nope, I retained the stock aim, no problems so far.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:52:51 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

At 11:27 PM 11/27/95 -0600, you wrote:
>> yeah...I get about 150-175 per tank...I have let it get past the red
>> on E tho...didn't think I'd make the entire Mt. Rainer
>> loop..hehe.....filled up and got 3.6 gallons in it...
>
>The latest MCN tells of a gentleman who completed the Iron Butt Rally 
>on a Helix. He had a NASCAR 5-gallon fuel cell attached to the thing 
>to increase his range. But where to put one on a PC?

How about two, shrink-wrapped to fit in each side of the trunk?  Talk about
range!
(Who needs luggage anyway?)  : - )

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
	     (from Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>)
	     (at Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:39:14 +0000 (TZ))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 12:52:39 CST

Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in <199511281842.KAA20039@imail2.microsoft.com> on Nov 28 you wrote:

> If you were to lay the back of your head on the front fender and look 
> up, the holes would be just behind the colored plastic and at the 
> left/right corners of the light.  Once is vertical and the other 
> horizontal adjustment.

I've taken the whole front cowling assy apart (into little, individual
pieces) when I had to replace the right side after hitting a deer. The
only headlight adjustments on mine are two screws on the back side of 
the headlight assy. Somewhere next to where the headlight 'cord' plugs
in (can't remember what orientation).

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:55:43 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck?

At 06:43 AM 11/28/95 -0600, you wrote:
>At 10:06 PM 11/27/95 -0500, you wrote:
>>I was wondering what the reserve distance is on a PC? I filled it up from E
>>and only got 2.7 U.S. Gallons in her? The manual says it has a 4.2 gallon
>>tank. 
>
>I was not satisfied with the gauge reading empty when I had plenty of gas left.
>
>I adjusted (bent) the fuel gauge sending unit arm so that when it reaches
>empty I know I have about 1/2 gallon left.  Anyone wanting details of the
>process I will be glad to supply.  Process is really very simple.

I'm intererested.   Thanks!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 13:45:10 PST
From: Richard A. Hardy <c601rah@argo.sssd.navy.mil>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: coolant removal

%UNIPLEX
%TO            pc800@hpc.uh.edu
%FROM          c601rah
%SYSTEM        argo
%SUBJECT       coolant removal
%DATE          28/11/95 13:45
%REFERENCE     42351


        Richard Hardy
        San Diego
        c601rah@sssd.navy.mil
        1990 PC800 bought new May 1992

        I just subscribed yesterday, Nov 27, 1995

        I recently changed my coolant, following the Honda Service
        Manual, and thought I might save others some time.  The manual
        is fine up to the point of draining the coolant by removal of
        the drain bolt.  This requires removal of only the left step
        holder cover, saddlebag protecter, side cover, and lower
        cover.  Note:  replace the drain bolt sealing washer as the
        manual recommends as it only costs 84 cents.  The manual then
        states to remove the reserve tank bolt and drain the reserve
        tank.  DON'T DO IT!  It requires removal of both step holder@@
                                                    DDDD            
        covers, side covers, lower covers, mirrors, fairing
        protecters, air duct lids, the windscreen, and front upper
        cowl.  What do you gain?  Disposition of a about six
        ounces of old coolant.  It isn't worth  it!  Far better to@@
                                DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD                
        simply siphon it out, and if you miss an ounce or so, what of
        it?  Once I got into the above removals, it was like a point
        of no return, but I'll not do it again for a few ounces of
        coolant.
%UEND


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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 9:44:07 WST

  
> What motorcycle are you talking about? There are no such adjustments
> on the '89 and '90 PC's that I have looked at.  Were they changed
> on later models?

My service manual stated clearly that adjustment screws, and it is for
89-90, 94-96 PC800s.  And I found them on my '90.  A tip, remove the front
maintenance lid right under the headlight, need to remove 3 screws, that
doe a great help to adjust the siming or replace bulb.

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Wow!         *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone *
  *                  Aux. Police      '90 HONDA PC800 red   <-- Little Wing  *
  *      101177 <-- GWRRA #                Yeh I got a real wing at rear     *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :      HONDA CBX750       <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir,       YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike *
  *       your obedient servant!"         YAMA SR250         <-- Police junk *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. *
  ****************************************************************************



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:13:04 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Blue PC in France

At 09:31 PM 11/26/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Juan:
><<A lot of us have heard of Bigfoo...er  ,   a Blue PC sold in France.  Have
>you ever seen one?>>
>
>Don't trust me, eh? I'm the one who reported seeing light metallic blue PCs
>in Paris last year. Beautiful. I suppose there's a chance that I saw the same
>custom-painted bike two or three times, but it is a pretty big city...

Jeff, didn't mean to imply a lack of trust.  Just wondering if the Blue PC's
are not
something like a special run for the Paris Gendarmes or something.  I recall
reading
about a fleet of Yamaha XT350's especialy  equiped for "pooper-scooper"
duty, to keep
the sidewalks of Paris safe for the citizens!  Maybe the blue PC's are to
re-direct errant
tourists or something : - )

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:17:40 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Favorite grips for long rides?

At 09:30 PM 11/26/95 -0500, you wrote:

>That's funny. I'm looking for some large foam grips because it's a strain for
>me to hold the stock grips because they are too small. I actually think I'm
>developing carpal tunnel syndrome in my right palm.
>
>Any suggestions? Thanks as always.

You might want to try the neoprene grip covers that I use during warm rides,
when
I don't need the hot-grips.  I think I got them from Chaparral, les than $10
for the pair.
Got mine in red to match the bike, but 5 or 6 colors are available.  They go
on in 30 secs.,
come off in 3.  Good luck!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:27:50 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Superman gets 2400 miles per gallon!!!!!!

Kent 
 That is incredible! You get 60 mpg on a PC800. What is your riding style?
 Do you coast alot? Accelerate slowly? What is your secret? Spray or roll-on?

Later
Rick Fisher
Dentman711@AOL.COM
 
*****************************************************************
*1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /  1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-)  
*1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 /  Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:43:51 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: How much gas can a wood chuck chuck? -Reply

In a message dated 95-11-28 13:05:01 EST, you write:

>will go almost 20 miles and the liter bottle in the trunk will do another 10
>or
>better. If I'm not within 30 miles of a fill-up

 ..... Spare Gas ????   Chicken <G>.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:43:50 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?

In a message dated 95-11-28 10:53:30 EST, you write:

>What motorcycle are you talking about? There are no such adjustments
>on the '89 and '90 PC's that I have looked at.  

My '89 had the adjustment.  A real B***H to get at !!!.  I never could get
mine ajusted down to where I thought it should be.  I seldom ride at night,
so it really didn't matter.  I ride during daytime with high beam on ...
 everyone says they can REALLY SEE me.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:43:29 -0800

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:43:29 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Oil leak

Robert...sounds EXACTLY like my leak....let me know what you find out!


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:43:34 -0800

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:43:34 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: grips

BRYCE...

thanks!!  let me see how much $$ I have next week...any particular brand of
grips I should get??  S.C.C didn't have any, and I haven't been to
Univeristy in a while...


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com
Date: 28 Nov 95 22:00:00 -0600
To: dkgross@halcyon.com, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Oil leak

Same here.  I brought it to the attention of my dealer while it was still under 
warranty, and the service mgr he said there wasn't much they could do about.  I 
was naive enough to buy that.  Sounds like a widespread problem.  hmmmmmm.

David



Apparently-To: RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com

Robert...sounds EXACTLY like my leak....let me know what you find out!


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."

 28 Nov 1995 23:24:32 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:23:59 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
 (from pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)) (at Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:44:07 +0000 (WST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi VR2XVI (VR2XVI), in <9511290144.AA27154@hkuxa.hku.hk> on Nov 29 you wrote:

> > What motorcycle are you talking about? There are no such adjustments
> > on the '89 and '90 PC's that I have looked at.  Were they changed
> > on later models?
> 
> My service manual stated clearly that adjustment screws, and it is for
> 89-90, 94-96 PC800s.  And I found them on my '90.  A tip, remove the front
> maintenance lid right under the headlight, need to remove 3 screws, that
> doe a great help to adjust the siming or replace bulb.

Then I think we are mis-communicating. The white enclosed headlight 
assembly on my PC only has adjustments on the rear of the unit. There
are two adjustment screws. One for Vert. and one for Horiz. They
are clearly labelled as such. Unfortunately, you have to pull the
unit out to see the labels :^) As I mentioned before, I have had the
unit completely pulled apart from the bike such that I was holding
only the white plastic housing and the attached lens in my own grubby 
hands.  There are no other means to adjust the thing without possibly 
prying it apart. You can use a stubby screwdriver to adjust the beam
position.

Now, how does that correlate with what the manual says? Is the 
adjustment on the rear of the assembly or on the bottom as I *think*
has been stated (maybe I misread)?  Or... possibly there is some
mechanism which my bike is lacking which connects to the two adjustment
screws on the back of the unit???

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Superman gets 2400 miles per gallon!!!!!!
	     (from Dentman711@aol.com)
	     (at Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:27:50 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 23:46:07 CST

Hi Dentman711 (Dentman711), in <951128212733_37423968@mail04.mail.aol.com> on Nov 28 you wrote:

>  That is incredible! You get 60 mpg on a PC800. What is your riding style?

Best I could calculate, it worked out to a hair's breadth under 60 mpg.
So I didn't quite make 60.

>  Do you coast alot? Accelerate slowly? What is your secret? Spray or roll-on?


  Tailwind.

I used to get 50-55mpg on slab at up to 70 mph, but I have trouble finding
myself riding slab (or riding slab at less than 70) anymore...

If you think that's good, Joe Senner was riding with me to CA the next
year on his K100 with a Luftmeister chip / O2 sensor and was getting
almost 80 mpg on slab. Has about another gallon in his tank also. Wish
I could go 350+ miles on a tankfull... :^(

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:51:22 WST

> Then I think we are mis-communicating...[deleted]
> ... Unfortunately, you have to pull the unit out...., I have had the
> unit completely pulled apart from the bike such that I was holding
> only the white plastic housing and the attached lens in my own grubby 
> hands.  There are no other means to adjust the thing without possibly 
> prying it apart. You can use a stubby screwdriver to adjust the beam
> position.

No no, you don't have to pull anything out, just knee down right in front
of the bike, look into the light assy. from the front under cowl, there they
are.  And actually, you don't need to remove the front maintenance lid.  Did
you installed something, say an air horn that blocking your way?

> Now, how does that correlate with what the manual says?

Leave the manual, go ahead and have a look and you'll know the rest, quite
straight forward.  And, on 3-8 of the service manual, the second drawing
showed how to adjust from under the front cowl.  Why pull it out?

Are we talking about the headlight aim? 

-- 
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong,                    '84 HONDA GL1200A     <-- Wow!         *
  *      VR2XVI <-- HAM                    Gold Wing Aspencade               *
  *      PCA420 <-- Royal Hong Kong   '90 HONDA PC800 white <-- Lexus 2 tone *
  *                  Aux. Police      '90 HONDA PC800 red   <-- Little Wing  *
  *      101177 <-- GWRRA #                Yeh I got a real wing at rear     *
  *                                                                          *
  *  Police Training School taught :      HONDA CBX750       <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir,       YAMA Diversion 600 <-- Police bike *
  *       your obedient servant!"         YAMA SR250         <-- Police junk *
  *                                                                          *
  ****************************************************************************
  *  Will work for gas & chrome, I've an old Wing, and 2 baby Wings at home. *
  ****************************************************************************


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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:32:10 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Superman gets 2400 miles per gallon!!!!!!

In a message dated 95-11-28 21:30:05 EST, you write:

>Kent 
> That is incredible! You get 60 mpg on a PC800. What is your riding style?

I routinely get about 50 mpg.  I use regular gas and do a lot of old man
crusin' around the backroads where I might not go much more than 45 or 50
mph.  

Old Ancient, Pokey A**
Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:46:06 -0600
          Wed, 29 Nov 1995 7:45:59 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge sender adjustment


>>I was not satisfied with the gauge reading empty when I had plenty of gas
left.
>>
>>I adjusted (bent) the fuel gauge sending unit arm so that when it reaches
>>empty I know I have about 1/2 gallon left.  Anyone wanting details of the
>>process I will be glad to supply.  Process is really very simple.
>
>I'm intererested.   Thanks!
>
>Juan


Fuel gauge sender adjustment (My Way).

1. Bike on center stand with block under front wheel to make bike as level
as possible.

2. Remove left and right side covers.

3. Drain all gasoline out of the tank.  Put back in exactly 1/2 gallon.

4. Remove sending unit from tank (right side).  It has an Oring seal so will
reseal with no problem. (The gasoline will be below the level of the hole)

5. Bend sending unit float arm downward (curve) quiet a bit actuallly. (This
will be trial and error.(You may also have to have a slight backward bent to
avoid float hiting slope of tank.  You will see this when you look inside
the tank.

6. Put sending unit back in and turn on the ingnition key.  Wait until gauge
stops moving.  It should read right at the beginning of the empty mark (red
square)( to the right side of this mark)

7. If it reads too low bend the rod some more.  If it read too high bent the
rod back some.

I have tested this several times by trying to refill the tank as close to
the indicated mark on the gauge as possible (touching the empty mark) and
each time I have put in 3.7  -3.8 gallons which gives me approximately 1/2
gallon reserve.  I usually fill up when the gauge reads around 1/8 just to
be safe.  At least I know about how much fuel I have left.

I hope this helps.

Ride safe.

Waldo
GSU



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
	     (from pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI))
	     (at Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:51:22 +0000 (WST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:51:53 CST

Hi VR2XVI (VR2XVI), in <9511290551.AA25334@hkuxa.hku.hk> on Nov 29 you wrote:

> > Then I think we are mis-communicating...[deleted]
> > ... Unfortunately, you have to pull the unit out...., I have had the
> > unit completely pulled apart from the bike such that I was holding
> > only the white plastic housing and the attached lens in my own grubby 
> > hands.  There are no other means to adjust the thing without possibly 
> > prying it apart. You can use a stubby screwdriver to adjust the beam
> > position.
> 
> No no, you don't have to pull anything out, 

You are getting things out of context. 'pull the unit out' referred to
what you have to do to see the adjustment screw labels...

> of the bike, look into the light assy. from the front under cowl, there they
> are.  And actually, you don't need to remove the front maintenance lid.  Did

Correct. There they are, on the back of the headlight assy.. One screw 
on the lower corner, one screw on the opposite upper corner with the 
headlight cable directly between them. That's *all* the adjustment 
there is on the unit as the headlight aiming mechanism is built into 
the headlight assembly, I.e. unless you pry it apart, you can't adjust 
it except for using the adjustment screws on the rear of the assy.

> you installed something, say an air horn that blocking your way?

.. I believe that's a little unnecessary...
 
> Leave the manual, go ahead and have a look and you'll know the rest, quite

I don't *have* a manual. I learned how to adjust it one time when I
pulled the whole front cowling off. (The dealer didn't even know how 
to adjust the thing)

> straight forward.  And, on 3-8 of the service manual, the second drawing
> showed how to adjust from under the front cowl.  Why pull it out?

Who said you have to pull it out to adjust it? I certainly didn't. I
stated that the adjustment screws are on the back of the headlight 
assy and that's the only way that I can adjust the headlight without
possibly prying the headlight assy apart.

> Are we talking about the headlight aim? 

I am.

If yours doesn't adjust like mine does, then we apparently have two 
different types of headlight assemblies on our PC800's.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:10:10 TZ
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?



<<I don't *have* a manual. I learned how to adjust it one time when I
pulled the whole front cowling off. (The dealer didn't even know how
to adjust the thing)>>

I've got a feeling Kent's bike really is different.  I have also had 
the whole front end apart and the back of the headlight assembly is 
clearly different on my bike than what Kent is seeing.  Interesting 
that Honda must have used two different assemblies at some point in 
production. Why?  Well that's a different question. For everyone 
reading I'll assume there are two methods of adjustment so choose the 
one you can find on you bike I guess.

Kent:  I'd be happy to bring my service manual in tomorrow and fax you 
a copy of the image.   Send me your fax number if you'd like to see it. 
 No problem.  \"/

-bryceu
----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
----------------------------------------------------------




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Date:     Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:03 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC Fuel "Trunk"

Juan wrote:

>How about two, shrink-wrapped to fit in each side of the trunk?  Talk about
>range!
>(Who needs luggage anyway?)  : - )

Now I understand why you've been wanting me to get a trailer!  "Hey Cory, 
would you mind throwing my stuff in your trailer?  My trunk is full."
Later it would be: "Gas? Don't need no stinkin' gas, man!"

(Poor Juan sure puts up w/ a lot from me! He he he!)

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Nov 29 16:34:51 1995

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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:34:42 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Montana Nat'l Speedway (was: Superman gets 2400 miles per gallon!!!!!! )

On Wed, Nov 29, 1995 7:32:10 AM  at RETREADNY@aol.com wrote: 
 
>>Kent  
>> That is incredible! You get 60 mpg on a PC800. What is your riding
style? 
> 
>I routinely get about 50 mpg.  I use regular gas and do a lot of old man 
>crusin' around the backroads where I might not go much more than 45 or 50 
>mph.  
 
 
We've been around this before. 
 
It is incredible.  Kent's bike must be super-stock, or he's got the best PC
I've ever heard of.  If I'm not mistaken, he also does 115 mph sweepers,
fully loaded.   
 
I get 35 to 45 mpg, and my bike isn't capable of more than about108
(indicated), straight downhill slab :-) (which is plenty, thank you, except
now that Montana is getting rid of speed limits altogether, thanks to the
law Clinton signed yesterday).  It is possible a carb sych would slightly
improve my mileage. 
 
My bike is essentially stock with 7,000 miles, except the mid-range jets
were slightly opened.  (Don't ask me what was involved; it was done by a
dealer for the previous owner, a motorhead racer.) 
 
 
- Jeff


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Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:58:34 -0800
From: "George Korbel" <George.Korbel@quickmail.llnl.gov>
Subject: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

        Reply to:   RE>PC800: Montana Nat'l Speedway (was: Superman gets
2400...

Jeff, 

it sounds incredible only to you.  Although I do not get 60 miles/gal (and
neither dos Kent) I get usually 53-55 m/g.  The lowest ever I got was 43 m/g
which was when I rode 85-95 m/hr on Interstate 5 (L.A. - S.F.)  Max. speed I
observed on my bike was 116 and it took long time to achieve.  110 m/hr
doesn't take that long - and it is the end of acceleration - for all practical
purposes.

I don't know how you managed to get 35 m/g, but taking the foot from the brake
pedal - when you are moving forward - may help little, unloading the lead
bricks, etc.

To criticize Kent is easy, but I read lots of very good stuff from him on
these pages and although he may exaggerate a bit, he knows his PC.

George

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Date: 11/29/95 2:46 PM
To: George Korbel
From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
On Wed, Nov 29, 1995 7:32:10 AM  at RETREADNY@aol.com wrote: 
 
>>Kent  
>> That is incredible! You get 60 mpg on a PC800. What is your riding
style? 
> 
>I routinely get about 50 mpg.  I use regular gas and do a lot of old man 
>crusin' around the backroads where I might not go much more than 45 or 50 
>mph.  
 
 
We've been around this before. 
 
It is incredible.  Kent's bike must be super-stock, or he's got the best PC
I've ever heard of.  If I'm not mistaken, he also does 115 mph sweepers,
fully loaded.   
 
I get 35 to 45 mpg, and my bike isn't capable of more than about108
(indicated), straight downhill slab :-) (which is plenty, thank you, except
now that Montana is getting rid of speed limits altogether, thanks to the
law Clinton signed yesterday).  It is possible a carb sych would slightly
improve my mileage. 
 
My bike is essentially stock with 7,000 miles, except the mid-range jets
were slightly opened.  (Don't ask me what was involved; it was done by a
dealer for the previous owner, a motorhead racer.) 
 
 
- Jeff

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:34:42 -0500
From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Subject: Montana Nat'l Speedway (was: Superman gets 2400 miles per
 gallon!!!!!! )
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
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Date: 29 Nov 95 18:08:47 EST
From: Jeff Wagland <75337.1410@compuserve.com>
To: All <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Clutch problems

I've been having a problem with the clutch on my bike recently, and I wonder if
anyone has had the same experience.

The bike is an '89 model with only 14,000 on the clock. In the morning, and
again in the evening on my way home from work, the first time I let the clutch
in to move off I get a horrible screech and a nasty vibration through the clutch
lever. Sometimes I get the same thing the second time I dip the clutch to change
gear, but the noise and vibration always disappears once the bike is warm.

The problem seems worse if I'm feeding the clutch in against a lot of revs. If I
just tickle it in against little more than tickover, I don't get a noise, but
I'll almost invariably get it as soon as I change up. 

Has anyone come across this before, and if so, what proved to be the cause ?

Any thoughts/comments gratefully received.

Jeff Wagland
One of the very few PC800 riders in the UK



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe
	     (from George Korbel <George.Korbel@quickmail.llnl.gov>)
	     (at Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:58:34 -0800)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:42:55 CST

Hi George (George Korbel), in <n1394464665.64471@quickmail.llnl.gov> on Nov 29 you wrote:

> it sounds incredible only to you.  Although I do not get 60 miles/gal (and
> neither dos Kent) I get usually 53-55 m/g.  The lowest ever I got was 43 m/g

I really did get that 59+ mpg once. As I mentioned, I had a substantial
tailwind. :^) I ran 3 tankfuls running that tailwind, but only the
second leg gave me that mileage.  I suspect it was close to a 40mph
tailwind. I had to run crosswind to it for about 5 miles and I had
a little difficulty keeping the bike on the road at the 85mph that
traffic was running. (this was in AZ)

> which was when I rode 85-95 m/hr on Interstate 5 (L.A. - S.F.)  Max. speed I
> observed on my bike was 116 and it took long time to achieve.  110 m/hr
> doesn't take that long - and it is the end of acceleration - for all practical
> purposes.

That's pretty close to what I get, though I have run right up against
an indicated 125 running through a deserted stretch of NM and I don't
have too much trouble hitting 115.  120 normally takes a level stretch
of road.

> I don't know how you managed to get 35 m/g, but taking the foot from the brake
> pedal - when you are moving forward - may help little, unloading the lead

The 35mpg is a pretty accurate figure at ~120 I think, as I ran about
110 miles that way and was keeping accurate records of each tankful
on the trip.

> To criticize Kent is easy, but I read lots of very good stuff from him on
> these pages and although he may exaggerate a bit, he knows his PC.

"Exaggerate"???  Who me? :^)   Only when accompanied by a sufficient
number of smiley faces.  No smiley faces = no exagguration, though that
doesn't mean there isn't more to the story...
  
>> It is incredible.  Kent's bike must be super-stock, or he's got the best PC
>> I've ever heard of.  If I'm not mistaken, he also does 115 mph sweepers,
>> fully loaded.   

I really do. A bit of extra weight in the trunk at those speeds helps
stabilize the rearend.

>> I get 35 to 45 mpg, and my bike isn't capable of more than about108
>> (indicated), straight downhill slab :-) (which is plenty, thank you, except
>> now that Montana is getting rid of speed limits altogether, thanks to the
>> law Clinton signed yesterday).  It is possible a carb sych would slightly
>> improve my mileage. 

I'll guarantee you that carbs out of sync on my PC will decrease 
performance. I routinely do a sync every 6 months/6k miles. Makes
a big difference on my bike. I.e. carb sync on the PC affects more 
than just off-throttle response.

>> My bike is essentially stock with 7,000 miles, except the mid-range jets
>> were slightly opened.  (Don't ask me what was involved; it was done by a

This will affect your mileage. I suspect that messing with the jets
on the PC without going after a few valve-train adjustments will
mainly decrease performance in general. The bike seems pretty well
tuned from the factory for what it has in the engine.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



 29 Nov 1995 17:52:27 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:51:48 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Clutch problems
 (from Jeff Wagland <75337.1410@compuserve.com>)
 (at Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:08:47 -0500 (EST))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Jeff (Jeff Wagland), in <951129230846_75337.1410_EHK70-1@CompuServe.COM> on Nov 29 you wrote:

> I've been having a problem with the clutch on my bike recently, and I wonder if
[...] 
> in to move off I get a horrible screech and a nasty vibration through the clutch
> gear, but the noise and vibration always disappears once the bike is warm.

Since it goes away, I'd tend to think you have a fluid problem somewhere.
Maybe some air bubbles in the hydraulic line? When was the last time you
checked/changed your fluid?  I've never run across anything like this
on a wet clutch (where it went away).  Any other symptoms?

One thing I will mention here about the clutch fluid is that the clutch
piston mechanism (handlebar end) that Honda uses has been around for a
while (it was on my VF700S), and the boot tends to crack and let grime
into the reservoir. So make sure you check around the piston for leaks
every now and then, and change the fluid correspondingly.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:55:16 -0500
To: <George.Korbel@quickmail.llnl.gov>, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe

On Wed, Nov 29, 1995 2:58:34 PM  at George Korbel wrote: 
 
>it sounds incredible only to you.  Although I do not get 60 miles/gal (and

>neither dos Kent) I get usually 53-55 m/g.  The lowest ever I got was 43
m/g 
>which was when I rode 85-95 m/hr on Interstate 5 (L.A. - S.F.)  Max. speed
I 
>observed on my bike was 116 and it took long time to achieve.  110 m/hr 
>doesn't take that long - and it is the end of acceleration - for all
practical 
>purposes. 
 
>I don't know how you managed to get 35 m/g, but taking the foot from the
brake 
>pedal - when you are moving forward - may help little, unloading the lead 
>bricks, etc. 
 
Most of my driving is around mid-Manhattan, at *average* speeds of maybe 15
mph, with heavy loads (sometimes bricks:-)  , so 35 is excellent under
those circumstances.  Even at highway speeds though, where I average 40-45,
riding isn't steady speed - too congested here.  I think the PC800 is a
*terrific* bike, the best of many that I've owned over 21 years of riding,
even accepting every criticism I've ever seen.  Some new owners, however,
tend to feel they got a lemon when their bikes don't quite measure up to
exaggerated claims.   IMO, the bike needs no exaggeration, at least among
those of us who already have one.  No machine, or person, is perfect. 
 
>To criticize Kent is easy, but I read lots of very good stuff from him on 
>these pages and although he may exaggerate a bit, he knows his PC. 
 
Agreed.  Seriously, I find his posts valuable -- and *also* colorfully
entertaining. 
 
- Jeff 
 


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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:36:17 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Fuel Gauge sender adjustment

       At 06:46 AM 11/29/95 -0600, you wrote:

>Fuel gauge sender adjustment (My Way).
>


Thanks Waldo,  I'll give it a try.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:05:07 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: PC Fuel "Trunk"

At 12:03 PM 11/29/95 -0800, you wrote:
>Juan wrote:
>
>>How about two, shrink-wrapped to fit in each side of the trunk?  Talk about
>>range!
>>(Who needs luggage anyway?)  : - )
>
>Now I understand why you've been wanting me to get a trailer!  "Hey Cory, 
>would you mind throwing my stuff in your trailer?  My trunk is full."
>Later it would be: "Gas? Don't need no stinkin' gas, man!"
>
>(Poor Juan sure puts up w/ a lot from me! He he he!)
>
>Cory


It's ok Cory, as long as I can still throw my heated shelter and electric
generator on your trailer!  ; - D
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 02:04:54 -0500
From: Dentman711@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Kent I sure have learned a bunch about my PC

Kent
 I am going to try monitoring my milage real close and find out exactly where
I am at on the consumption scale.

Rick Fisher
Dentman711@AOL.COM
 
*****************************************************************
*1995 Honda Pacific Coast 800cc /  WARNING: NON MOTORCYCLE INFO FOLLOWS...
*1992 Kawasaki 750SX Highly "stock" ;-) / 1985 & 86 Kawasaki 550 (JET SKIS)
*Wife & Son / 2 dogs & 1 cat
*****************************************************************


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 06:44:11 -0500
From: RETREADNY@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?

In a message dated 95-11-29 00:28:01 EST, you write:

>Now, how does that correlate with what the manual says? Is the 
>adjustment on the rear of the assembly or on the bottom as I *think*
>has been stated (maybe I misread)?

You are correct in that the screws appear to face the REAR of the bike.
 However, they have a 'fluted' edge that corresponds with the point of a
Phillips Head screwdriver.  When you insert the Phillips Head from the
bottom, it engages with the EDGE of the screw, much as a bevel and pinion
gear mesh.  To add to the joy, turning the screwdriver in one direction
causes the screw itself to turn in the OPPOSITE direction.

That's how *I* remember the rotten job <G>.

Wes St.Onge
RETREADNY@aol.com


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:22:49 -0600
          Thu, 30 Nov 1995 8:22:35 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe

At 05:42 PM 11/29/95 -0600, you wrote:
 I routinely do a sync every 6 months/6k miles.

>Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
>Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu
>


Kent,

What do you use to sync your carbs and could you give a brief process
discription.

Thanks

Waldo
GSU


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:52:05 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Winter Gloves

I hate to do this to you folks who have put your bikes up for the season but I thought you might enjoy it
anyway.  Here in Phoenix, Arizona, the daytime highs are just beginning to dip below 70F.  The morning
commute is beginning to get a chilly enough that I switched over to my insulated gloves this morning.  As I
was riding to work, I remembered a funny story about those gloves that I thought you folks might appreciate.
 
I've been divorced for about 1.5 years now and I think it this story took place at Christmas time two years
ago.  This should tell you something about the kind of marriage it was.  My ex-wife (wife at the time) asked
me what I wanted for Christmas.  I told her that I could really use a pair of insulated motorcycle gloves.  She
told me that she wouldn't know what to get and that perhaps I should just pick something out.  So, I went to
the local shop and picked out a pair.  I took them home and put them in with Santa's stash for our kids.  As it
got closer to Christmas, I was assigned to wrap the kid's presents.  Usually, gift wrapping was a late night
activity done after the kids were in bed.  When I got down through the stack of kids presents to the gloves, I
figured, what the heck, and I wrapped them too.  I put a card on the package, from: Santa, to:  Neill.  
Christmas morning, while opening presents, I recieved this box which looked strangely familliar.  The
handwriting on the card was mine but still I couldn't make the connection.  It must have been really late when
I wrapped the gloves!  I opened the package and then it all came back to me.  

So the gloves that I wore this morning were a gift from my ex-wife.  I picked them out, I paid for them, I
wrapped them, I put a card on the package, but they were a gift from my ex-wife.  Anyway, I like the
gloves, I guess she did OK with that gift.  

Happy Holidays to y'all

P.S. my new S.O. Has a Suzuki Intruder 800 and it is her third bike.  *She* knows what to get for me in the
way of motorcycle apparel and accessories!  



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:06:29 -0600
          Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:06:29 -0500 (EST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves

At 08:52 AM 11/30/95 -0700, you wrote:

>P.S. my new S.O. Has a Suzuki Intruder 800 and it is her third bike.  *She*
knows what to get for me in the
>way of motorcycle apparel and accessories!  
>
CONGRADULATIONS

and Merry Christmas.

Waldo
GSU
>


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:45:13 -0800

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:45:13 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross)
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves

At 10:06 AM 11/30/95, Waldo  E. Meeks wrote:
>At 08:52 AM 11/30/95 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>P.S. my new S.O. Has a Suzuki Intruder 800 and it is her third bike.  *She*
>knows what to get for me in the
>>way of motorcycle apparel and accessories!

does she have a couple of cute sisters???????


------------
Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog <woof>
"It's gotta groove..."




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Date:     Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:12 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: PC Fuel "Trunk"


>>Now I understand why you've been wanting me to get a trailer!  "Hey Cory, 
>>would you mind throwing my stuff in your trailer?  My trunk is full."
>>Later it would be: "Gas? Don't need no stinkin' gas, man!"
>>
>>(Poor Juan sure puts up w/ a lot from me! He he he!)
>>
>>Cory
>
>
>It's ok Cory, as long as I can still throw my heated shelter and electric
>generator on your trailer!  ; - D

He's gunna' need that stuff this weekend, folks.  It's
expected to get to -55(F) here this weekend! =:-o 
Cory 

From owner-pc800  Thu Nov 30 11:37:44 1995

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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Aim high output lights?
	     (from RETREADNY@aol.com)
	     (at Thu, 30 Nov 1995 06:44:11 -0500)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 11:37:05 CST

Hi RETREADNY (RETREADNY), in <951130064410_39176970@emout05.mail.aol.com> on Nov 30 you wrote:

> You are correct in that the screws appear to face the REAR of the bike.
>  However, they have a 'fluted' edge that corresponds with the point of a
> Phillips Head screwdriver.  When you insert the Phillips Head from the

Ok... I can see how that might work. I'll have to try it.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



 30 Nov 1995 11:46:53 -0600 (CST)

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:46:10 -0600 (CST)
From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Montana Nat'l Spe
 (from "Waldo  E. Meeks" <wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>)
 (at Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:22:49 -0600)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

Hi Waldo (Waldo  E. Meeks), in <9511301322.AA02899@hpc.uh.edu> on Nov 30 you wrote:

> What do you use to sync your carbs and could you give a brief process
> discription.

An old set of water tubes and various stems that I've collected over
the years. As to process... not sure that I can and am not sure that
I should. You can screw up the adjustment and damage the carbs pretty
easily if you don't know what you are doing.  I really don't want the
responsibility of someone messing up the carbs hanging over my head.

I've been sync'ing carbs for almost 30 years and I think I'm of the
old 'art' school. I have heard from a couple of mechanics that Honda
does provide a detailed procedure (moreso than your typical manual).
Guess I ought to try to locate it.

When is someone else (Besides Honda) coming out with a manual for the
PC???  (Rhetorical question)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:23:42 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: The Art of Carb Synching (was: Montana Nat'l Speedway

On Thu, Nov 30, 1995 11:46:10 AM  at Kent Polk wrote: 
 
>> What do you use to sync your carbs and could you give a brief process 
>> discription. 
> 
>An old set of water tubes and various stems that I've collected over 
>the years. As to process... not sure that I can and am not sure that 
>I should. You can screw up the adjustment and damage the carbs pretty 
>easily if you don't know what you are doing.  I really don't want the 
>responsibility of someone messing up the carbs hanging over my head. 
> 
>I've been sync'ing carbs for almost 30 years and I think I'm of the 
>old 'art' school. I have heard from a couple of mechanics that Honda 
>does provide a detailed procedure (moreso than your typical manual). 
>Guess I ought to try to locate it. 
 
 
The fellow I bought my PC from uses the water tube technique, and then a
stethescope for the final tweaking.  I think this is perhaps overkill for
the PC, but it seemed to work well for his Ducati 916  :-)


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From: "J. Burack" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:39:14 -0500
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: Manhattan Motorcycling (fwd)

On Wed, Nov 29, 1995 4:24:33 PM  George Korbel wrote:  
  
>I had no idea that somebody - anybody is riding motorcycle in Manhattan. I
 
>rode one in Bergen County and around (a few times in Manhattan on early  
>Sunday morning), but that was 20 years ago.  About that time I got US  
>citizenship, learned English, and went to California.  Never regretted
that  
>move.  From the motorcycle point of view it is paradise (today, here 40  
>miles south-east from San Francisco, was 78F, no wind, blue sky - at night

>it will drop to 45-48F).  
  
Yeah, there's a nyc.motorcycle newsgroup and e-mail list.  There are a fair

number of us, but perhaps a disproportionate number of macho crotch rockets

and Harley's.  
  
I'm jealous.  It's about 30 here, and it snowed for the first time last 
night.  I'm going to San Diego around Christmas.  Maybe I'll be able to 
rent or borrow a bike?  
  
>I still think that 35 m/g is low.  As Kent suggested - the carb synchro  
>could not do any harm.  You should be getting than 42-45 m/g, my guess.  
  
Probably right.  Most often I do get nearly that.  
  
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Date: 30 Nov 95 18:50:55 EST
From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com>
To: HondaPacificCoastOwners <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Honda parts prices...ouch!

I checked at my local Honda dealer today concerning the cost of a battery and an
air filter. The OEM battery, with a one-year warranty, costs $90.23, A generic
battery, with a six-months warranty, costs $51.95. Both are "sealed" batteries.
The air filter costs $56.39 (and the dealer had one in stock!) I'm going to
check some mail-order houses to see if I can get a better price on the air
filter. Wal-Mart has a Champion 12BS sealed battery, marked for the PC, for
$49.94. It's a good thing that my Honda doesn't need parts very often! Dana
Sawyer


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:16:53 -0700
From: Neill Thompson <thompson@mail.trglink.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  Honda parts prices...ouch! -Reply

I know its been beaten to death but... now if Wal-Mart would carry air
filters for the PC...



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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:36:27 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Honda parts prices...ouch!

Dana, ouch is right.  We here at the list have griped about the cost of a
stupid air filter for a while now (paper element at that!).  There has been
mention of a letter writing campaign to K&N to see if they will start making
a filter for the PC.  Sheesh!  There's enough of them around by now!

If you do find a cheaper price, let us know.  I'll start supporting that
parts house.

Juan 


At 06:50 PM 11/30/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I checked at my local Honda dealer today concerning the cost of a battery
and an
>air filter. The OEM battery, with a one-year warranty, costs $90.23, A generic
>battery, with a six-months warranty, costs $51.95. Both are "sealed" batteries.
>The air filter costs $56.39 (and the dealer had one in stock!) I'm going to
>check some mail-order houses to see if I can get a better price on the air
>filter. Wal-Mart has a Champion 12BS sealed battery, marked for the PC, for
>$49.94. It's a good thing that my Honda doesn't need parts very often! Dana
>Sawyer
>
>
>
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:28:07 -0900 (AKST)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: "Juan A. Goula" <jgoula@ims.alaska.edu>
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves

At 08:52 AM 11/30/95 -0700, you wrote:
>I hate to do this to you folks who have put your bikes up for the season
but I thought you might enjoy it
>anyway.

Why would you hate doing this to us?  I mean, today at noon it was sunny,
clear skies as far as I could see, light breeze blowing, the barometer is
rising and the temperature (at high noon, or as close as you can get to it
with the sun at 25 degrees above the horizon)  -20F -  and dropping fast.  I
keep telling myself that I do *not* need to take the PC for a quick spin
around the block just to say that I did it!  : - )

The point of all this rambling?  I need sun, and I need heat. Therefore,  my
wife and I will be spending the holidays in your neck of the woods, Neill.
Can you give me any insight on what to expect weather-wise? I'm thinking of
renting a bike while down there
and don't want to pack gear I don't need.

Also, if you can think of any  " must see's" and "must stay away from's"  I
would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the story.  I consider myself lucky that my wife does like
motorcycles and -like your  "new S.O." - knows what kind of gear to get me.

Happy Holidays to you too!  : - )

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 18:42:04 TZ
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?



Correct.  My blunder.  BTw:  I get both.  \"/

-bryceu
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From:  <TedJ101@aol.com>
To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: What is the best all around bike mag?
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 1995 1:12PM

In a message dated 95-11-27 17:45:14 EST, bryceu@microsoft.com (Bryce Ulrich)
writes:

>Motorcyclist magazine is the office publication of the American
>Motorycle Association (AMA).  Join the AMA and you'll get the mag.

I don't think so.  The AMA publication is American Motorcyclist. Motorcyclist
is not affiliated with any particular motorcycle group and is generally
available on newstands everywhere.




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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:03:33 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: edjohns@AZStarNet.com (Philip E. (Ed) Johnson)
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves

Juan, if you plan to get as far south as Tucson, let me know and I can tell
you a bit about it. (Half the size but twice as nice as Phoenix; and the
University of Arizona just beat Arizona State in football. Sorry, Neill.)

Temperature today was 75. About a week ago, I saw a strange looking white
fuzzy thing in the sky; wasn't sure what it was. Been completely clear ever
since,though. Ho hum. Just another day in paradise.

There is a nice Arizona site on the net you might enjoy;
http://www.arizonaguide.com/

Warm (!) regards-

Ed Johnson




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From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com
Date: 30 Nov 95 20:07:00 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: What is the best all around bike mag?

For product information:  Motorcycle Consumer News (formely Road Rider)

    MCN has a wide variety of info on motorcycles, and motorcycle and touring 
related products as well as articles on riding, safety, touring and camping 
methods.  Available only by subscription.

For touring info:  Rider

    Rider has good articles about touring as well as evaluations of motorcycles.  
Great photography and glossy color pictures.

For performance info:  Motorcyclists

For legislative info:  American Motorcyclists

    The official mag of the American Motorcyclists Association contains 
information on legislative issues as well as folksy articles about touring in 
different parts of the US.  Join just for the representation they provide 
motorcyclists.



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From: David_McCarthy-RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com
Date: 30 Nov 95 20:18:00 -0600
To: edjohns@AZStarNet.com, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Winter Gloves

Ya!  But Scottsdale is the best in the west.


Apparently-To: RXYH90@email.sps.mot.com

Juan, if you plan to get as far south as Tucson, let me know and I can tell
you a bit about it. (Half the size but twice as nice as Phoenix; and the
University of Arizona just beat Arizona State in football. Sorry, Neill.)

Temperature today was 75. About a week ago, I saw a strange looking white
fuzzy thing in the sky; wasn't sure what it was. Been completely clear ever
since,though. Ho hum. Just another day in paradise.

There is a nice Arizona site on the net you might enjoy;
http://www.arizonaguide.com/

Warm (!) regards-

Ed Johnson


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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:46:12 -1000
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: reap@pixi.com (Ronald E. Pacholec)
Subject: Re: Honda parts prices...ouch!

Yea, Juan and Neill, I know what you guys are talking about with this cold
weather.  I rode back home from the gym last night and almost froze my butt
off!  Last night we hit a low temp of 76 deg here in Honolulu, and riding
in that kind of weather with only a tank top and shorts sure does get cold!
I need to get a high windshield to block the chill.  Does anybody know if
I can get one with a sun tint so I don't burn and peal all the time?

Seriously, besides the windshield, I also need to get an air filter and
some other parts.  Unfortunately there ain't much selection on this island,
so I need to get most things mail order.   Any recommendations?  I've got
an '89 with low miles and I really love it.  I also have an '83 Sabre in
California.  The Sabre's faster, but the PC's much easier to ride.

I live on the south east tip of the island of Oahu, and riding my PC here
is like being in heaven!  The best time is around sunset.  The sky blazes
with fire, the flowers become super fragrant, and the air cools to a balmy
80 deg.  We're starting our rainy season now, but if anyone wants to thaw
out and be with nature, this is the place.

I just got on the mailing list a short while ago and really appreciate the
advice, wit, and wisdom you guys have.  If anyone plans to come here, drop
me a line - maybe I can help you plan a really great time.

Aloha Nui,

Ron Pacholec
reap@pixi.com