********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:38:25 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Webbing -Reply In a message dated 95-09-19 22:14:05 EDT, JeffHO@aol.com writes: >Not sure I like the '96 colors. Has anyone seen one of these in person? Yes, and I didn't care for it in person either. (I'm not a fan of fire engine red bikes though. The candy apple of the 90 was fine, but this is the ST red which Honda seems to be making a signature color -- it will be used on the 900 RR too in '96, I'm told.) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:42:46 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Adjustable rubber "screws" In a message dated 95-09-20 08:09:54 EDT, wem@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu (Waldo E. Meeks) writes: >This adjustment should be in the owners manual or at least in the shop >manual. Try page 2-26 of the shop manual. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:42:44 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Trunk won't close In a message dated 95-09-19 21:34:12 EDT, kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) writes: >> I also had to adjust them. They look like mini suspension rubber stops, >not >> like springs. They are located in the underside of the trunk lid, about 5 > >I also have a '90 and it doesn't have these. Kent, I looked in my shop manual and it doesn't indicate that there is any difference in the rubber screw stop adjusters between model years. Look on the underside of the pillion seat at the metal seat brace that runs across. There should be two rubber bumpers about the size of a nickel and about 3/4" high. They rub against two metal pieces (round, look almost like they screw into place) right on top of the rear fender portion of the luggage compartment. The manual says to adjust them to allow the trunk to open on one pull. (If you can't adjust them to achieve that end, you have to replace the trunk lock -- ouch!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:31:40 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Trunk won't close Mine didn't look like adjustables at all either -- they were screwed all the way in so you can't see the threads -- but when you grab'm with pliers and unscrew, by gosh there they are. The one-handed trunk open is great- just like teaching an old dog a new trick. Thanks to whoever pointed this out. >Try page 2-26 of the shop manual. Yup. "The trunk lid should open after pulling the release lever, once. You should not have to hold the lever up." -dan (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:10:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 08:10:16 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Trunk won't close Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu crap... Ineed a new trunk lock..tried adjusting them damn things a bunch of different ways, and it still doesnt work..whaa ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George VonHelldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "M. David Walthour" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire stuff On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > people remarked that my bike had an odd set of tires on it: Dunlop K555s. > Every other PC I've seen has K177s. My tires were on from the dealer and > the bike was new. Is this an odd occurrence? The K555s were horrible > > Did anyone else get K555s with their bike? > > - J< > Jason, as far as I have seen, every PC in the first two model years came with the K-555 Dunlops as original equipment, even though the owner's manual indicates that the K-177 is intended for the bike. The only 94 that I saw in a dealership also had K-555s on it from the factory. I thought this was odd too and agree that the K-177 is a superior replacement for the bike. They are a bit pricey, even mail-order ($100 for the RR and $80-90 for the FR). The other fun thing is getting a new short 90 degree valve. The original on the rear of mine was leaking, and the only quick fix was a short straight one. The short 90s that Honda sells now go for about 8 bucks, and none of the three dealerships I have been to in the past year carry them on stock! Honda switched to a metal stem from the rubber one, so we are now using the same one as on the GL-1500. For those interested, parts with an MR5 in the center are specific to the PC, those with the MN5 are generally specific to the GL-1500, and the 42753-MN5-004 valve stem is now the one for the PC. Does that mean that we are moving up in the status ranks? (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:04:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:04:01 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Tire stuff Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu well..the choice has been made..it's ML2's for the pc..hope they don't hose me at the dealer. I need the best wet weather tire I can afford ( or not)..heheee dave ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 1 22:58:52 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:02:01 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire stuff I've been running the ML2 for 2 years now and I really like them: they give better mileage than the 555s and seem to hold just as well. I just bought the front for $91.79 at a local cycle shop, not a Honda dealer. Re: the trunk adjustment. Not to throw cold water on the subject, but I've noticed that the over time, especially when I'm carrying a passenger, something seems to compress and the trunk eventually can no longer stay open until I unscrew the adjusters a bit more. It might be nothing more than the lower, metal adjusters slowly working themselves down and shorter. Anyone else noticed the same thing? Also, does anyone have some quick tips about changing radiator fluid, such as where the drain valve is? I don't have the shop manual--should I stop until I get it? Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 02:46:49 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire stuff In a message dated 95-09-30 03:50:22 EDT, you write: >>>>>> "MSK" == Michael S Keller writes: > >MSK> On Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:34:00 -0500 you wrote: >>> Did anyone else get K555s with their bike? > >MSK> That's the factory tire. > >According to the service manual: > >Tire Brand (Dunlop) K177F/K177 I hate to disagree but my '90 PC came off the showroom floor with 555s. I know the manual says 177s, but thats not what I got. Looking in the mail order catalogs I have seen the 177s listed as the original equipment for the '89 with no mention made of other year models. It seems the consensus is the 177s are better than the 555s, but that ML2s are even better. Did anyone resolve whether the ML2s were at fault with the earlier reported abnormal wear problems? What kind of mileage has each type of tire been giving? I am going to need new tires real soon (8000+ miles) and I want to make an informed decision. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:53:46 -0500 Mon, 2 Oct 1995 7:56:18 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Tire stuff K555 tires came on my 90 PC new. I am now running ML'2 but the rear tire is wearing prematurely (7000 miles) on the left side(No I don't ride around in left hand circles all the time). I will only get about 8000 miles because of this wear. I do have an older set that had the composition problem. Has any one else had this premature wear with the ML'2 tires (rear) Waldo Georgia Southern University ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Trunk won't close (from TedJ101@aol.com) (at Sun, 01 Oct 1995 06:42:44 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:44:30 Hi TedJ101 (TedJ101), in <951001064242_69860950@mail06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 01 you wrote: > > >> I also had to adjust them. They look like mini suspension rubber stops, > > > >I also have a '90 and it doesn't have these. > > Kent, > > I looked in my shop manual and it doesn't indicate that there is any > difference in the rubber screw stop adjusters between model years. Look on I dropped by the dealer last weekend and showed him my push-in bumpers. They agreed they weren't stock and gave me a set of adjustable ones off a new bike. Finally, trunk opening is a one-handed operation! Thanks to whoever pointed out what was *supposed* to be there. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:35:10 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/02/95 11:40 ## A better question might be: Has anyone ever bought a new PC800 with K177s? K555s are Japan Dunlop and K177s are US Dunlop. Both are carried in the 89-90, 94-96 microfiche (parts). They have 2 or 3 different part nos. I don't know what that means. The K555s could be a source shift due to the earthquake but that doesn't explain the K177s. The tire label lists both tires, both with 33/41psi. I thought all PCs came with 90o metal valve stems. I recently replaced mine because the rubber seal showed dry rot. Easily ordered but not easily replaced. You will notice, although K555/K177 are 140/80-15 the K177 is a smaller diameter. When you switch you'll have to adjust your headlight down from the treetops. Metzeler told me a couple yrs ago they copied the Dunlop sizes when they designed the ML2s. I'm sure it was the K177, not the K555. I'd have preferred the taller profile of the K555. ML2+ is a new compound for the Gold Wing size but the compound for the 140/80-15 has never changed, only the mold to change the sidewall name. Because of the high crown roads in the US all tires wear more on the left side, only more noticeable on ML2s. Check your K555s with a tread depth gauge. If you use the factory tire psi of 33/41 the ML2(+) won't last very long. Rear psi is recommended on PC to be: Solo 42-44, 2up 45-47, 2up 49. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ("M. David Walthour") walthour@epix.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/01/95 18:29 ## On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > people remarked that my bike had an odd set of tires on it: Dunlop K555s. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Tire stuff My '89 came w/ the 555's as original equipment. I believe the best term for them would be "shipping crate rim protectors." :') Cory P.S. Hawaii was great! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:06:23 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Tire stuff >Did anyone else get K555s with their bike? > My '90 came with the 555's. I found it interesting that you can no longer get them in the sizes for the PC. my rear 555 lasted 9k miles, the front one is still good for another 1.5 - 2k though I changed both front and rear at the same time. I agree, the 177's are better and do give a softer ride. Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:18:06 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/02/95 13:22 ## I don't think there is any way to keep the ML2 from "stepping" except to keep the tires at a 45o angle. Pressure doesn't seem to be a big factor. I run a lot of 2up in a touring/commuting mode. The rear sounds like a snow tire (knobby for you no-snows) after 5-6k miles. I run a 120/70-17 ME33 CompK on the front. Happy rubber. Roger CEO document contents: ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/02/95 11:40 ## A better question might be: Has anyone ever bought a new PC800 with K177s? K555s are Japan Dunlop and K177s are US Dunlop. Both are carried in the 89-90, 94-96 microfiche (parts). They have 2 or 3 different part nos. I don't know what that means. The K555s could be a source shift due to the earthquake but that doesn't explain the K177s. The tire label lists both tires, both with 33/41psi. I thought all PCs came with 90o metal valve stems. I recently replaced mine because the rubber seal showed dry rot. Easily ordered but not easily replaced. You will notice, although K555/K177 are 140/80-15 the K177 is a smaller diameter. When you switch you'll have to adjust your headlight down from the treetops. Metzeler told me a couple yrs ago they copied the Dunlop sizes when they designed the ML2s. I'm sure it was the K177, not the K555. I'd have preferred the taller profile of the K555. ML2+ is a new compound for the Gold Wing size but the compound for the 140/80-15 has never changed, only the mold to change the sidewall name. Because of the high crown roads in the US all tires wear more on the left side, only more noticeable on ML2s. Check your K555s with a tread depth gauge. If you use the factory tire psi of 33/41 the ML2(+) won't last very long. Rear psi is recommended on PC to be: Solo 42-44, 2up 45-47, 2up 49. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ("M. David Walthour") walthour@epix.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/01/95 18:29 ## On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > people remarked that my bike had an odd set of tires on it: Dunlop K555s. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:23:37 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Re: Trunk won't close The manual says to adjust them to allow the trunk to open on one >pull. (If you can't adjust them to achieve that end, you have to replace the >trunk lock -- ouch!) Not entirely true. The latch system also has some adjustments built into them. ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:06:34 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Re: Tire stuff >Re: the trunk adjustment. Not to throw cold water on the subject, >but I've noticed that the over time, especially when I'm carrying >a passenger, something seems to compress and the trunk >eventually can no longer stay open until I unscrew the adjusters >a bit more. It might be nothing more than the lower, metal >adjusters slowly working themselves down and shorter. Anyone >else noticed the same thing? I've had passengers and heavy loads on the back seat and only once have I had to adjust them again after the initial adjustment. You might have defective "adjusting rubbers" :-), such as the rubber might be breaking down. Has anyone priced these things yet? > >Also, does anyone have some quick tips about changing radiator >fluid, such as where the drain valve is? I don't have the shop >manual--should I stop until I get it? The drain valve is (I believe) on the lower right of the radiator, behind the lower plastic piece. I found it when I put a screen over the radiator (to minimize bug plugs and rock damage). don't stop, but do get the shop manual. It is quite good. ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 18:24:12 UT From: "Beta Tester" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: 1995 PC800 For Sale I have a 1995 PC 800 (Black) for sale. It has 955 miles on it and has been garaged since day one. It was purchased on July 24 1995. It includes floor mats, Trunk light kit (not installed), Factory bags and extra body panels. It has also had the dealer 600 mile service... It was broken in by the book and never abused. I am a real fanatic about maintenance and warm up and easy driving. It is offered for sale for my payoff amount of 7500.00. This price is firm... I live in South Florida If you price a 1996 model ($1000 more). My price is good and color is nicer too than the 1996 model.... Write to "BetaTester@msn.com" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:27:15 UT From: "Beta Tester" To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" , "George Korbel" Subject: RE: PC800 Hi George, I live in Palm Beach county Florida. I ride almost all year long. What I love the most is riding along A1A and looking at the beautiful homes and looking at the ocean. Florida is great for riding except for the rain. All in all if you look at the over all picture,you can ride in florida almost all year long depending how spoiled you are. I personally like to ride in the mornings when it is cool and the traffic is light. I wish I could keep the bike but it looks like I will be laid off soon. Florida is a great state to ride in so hope you enjoy it. Please feel free to ask for any other florida information. Best Wishes BetaTester@msn.com (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:53:06 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:53:06 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff Cc: pc800@msc.mceo.dg.com let me get this straight...I'm getting ready to put ML2's on and the 1 up pressure is 42-44 for the REAR? What about the front?? And what should I expect to pay for these little gems? The place I looked at want's $165 for the rear on installed...$119 for the front installed. am I getting hosed? dave ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 2 20:46:05 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:49:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:49:36 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: tire catalog Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu geez..I've been surfin for an hour..isn't there any online catalogs that I can check for tire prices on my ML2's to make sure I'm not getting hosed at my dealer?? ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 2 22:17:00 1995 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:23:11 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:19:05 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: tire catalog -Reply dont know about the on line catalog.. Always get my tires from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse 1-800-241-2222 Also get my Tourmaster jackets and pants my Dry Rider rain suits my Olympia gloves and Shoei Helmets from them Usually overnight delivery after my phone call They are a good mail order house and have supplied me well. They have also handled my minor complaints promptly; therefore, continue to have my business. Dealerships here in Portland wont touch the mail order prices. I buy my bikes from the dealer and some parts - everything else I mail order. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:29:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:29:51 -0700 To: kidby@ohsu.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: tire catalog -Reply Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu sounds great..I called them for a catalog..would ya mind looking up a price for the ML2 for me for the pc?? Thanks! ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 2 22:41:49 1995 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:48:20 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:44:11 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire catalog -Reply -Reply I have this month copy of Rider and Cycle World (just came in todays mail) here at work The big add for M..A.. Warehouse is in Motorcyclist (which is at home) For the record, last time I looked through the adds Chaparral was a little cheaper than MAW but I have yet to order from them - so cannot recommend from experience, ok? I do a lot of mail order - get my Nikons and lenses ALL photo gear that way usually from B & H in New York (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:25:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:25:51 -0700 To: kidby@ohsu.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: tire catalog -Reply -Reply Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu thanks! I'll pick up a few mags on my way to work tommorow! ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 3 06:40:35 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:40:33 -0500 Tue, 3 Oct 1995 7:42:58 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff At 05:53 PM 10/2/95 -0700, you wrote: > am I getting hosed? > >dave > Dave, I usually order my tires from Competition Accessories located in Ohio. 1-800-543-4707. Good folks to deal with and they are a Honda, Yamaha, BMW dealer also. Rear tire ML2 will run around $100.00 and self installation is really very easy. Just locate the red dotts on the tire at the valve stem and balance will be good. Waldo GSU (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:23:16 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:23:16 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu thanks waldo...I'm gonna stop and get a magazine or two on my way to work this am and look at some ads...Bryce recommended these guys in seattle pretty highly, tho...oh well...he's crusin the mountians with his lovely girlfriend as we speak...he just got a new Corbin Saddle for his PC...drooooooooooooool. ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 3 11:36:38 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:40:02 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Re: tire catalog >geez..I've been surfin for an hour..isn't there any online catalogs that I >can check for tire prices on my ML2's to make sure I'm not getting hosed at >my dealer?? Try Motorcycle Online on the web: http://motorcycle.com/motorcycle.html Good luck! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:08:00 -0500 Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:11:36 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: New Book on Motorcycle Travel For your information: I have run across on intenet a very interesting new book coming out soon written by Dale Coyner entitled " Motorcycle Journeys Through the Appalachians". Search for "Dale Coyner" on the net and you will find information in detail concerning the book, its contents, the author etc. and also ordering information. Dale indicates the book will not be ready until Novemember from the publisher. Ride Safe, Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 17:12:10 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Son of PC? Has anyone seen pictures of the new BMW R1100RT? It sure looks to me like some one didn't separate the ST1100's and the PC's in the barn during the night and the BMW is the end result. ;-) Or maybe the designers of the 'legendary bikes of Germany' - steal a phrase- ran out of ideas and looked to the Japanese manufacturers for ideas, hmmm... Any comments? Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:58 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Son of PC? Sure did see it. Thought it was really nice...............until I saw the price tag........... can buy a ST1100 for that and have change left over, have a V-4 ;'} , a HONDA, and change left over, oh yes, and did I mention that you wouldn't spend as much? All in all, though, it still is very pretty! Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 5 13:09:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 10:12:26 -0700 To: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Son of PC? Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >They sure didn't steal the price of the PC! Even at the $8700 price of the PC, >you could nearly buy two for the price of one Beemer! I'll keep my "soap dish!" >My '90 has 60,000 miles, and looks and runs like new! It's a keeper...for sure! >Dana Sawyer, 112 Bishopgate Road, Columbia SC 29212-1956, tel. 803.781-4293. I agree, the beemers are becomong more and more of an exotic bike if only for their price, too bad. My '90 only has 11k on it, and I still have a couple of years left on the extended warranty so I'm not worried about keeping it. If it dies I will probably display it in my living room. :-) A friend of mine, however, remarked that entropy is epecially harsh on the PC because of all the plastic that has to fit just so... I'd have to agree. It is good to finally correspond with the founder of the (now) Honda Sport Touring Association. From what Cory Estes tells me, you are the man to talk to about converting the front PC fender to an ST1100 front fender. Any information you could share with us PC800 Listserv subscribers will be much appreciated, I'm sure. Cheers, ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:28:01 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: New user Wesley St.Onge Maryland, NY RETREADNY@AOL.COM 1989 PC800 Used Spring 1994 Corbin Seat added summer of '94 I'm 52, started riding three years ago. First bike '81 Kawasaki KZ440LTD. Next bike '89 Yamaha 750 Virago. Now on '89 PC800. I have ridden approximately 9000 miles every year. Most trips are around this area although this August I attended the International Retread Rally in Oshkosh, WI. We made a round about trip through Canada's Manitoulin Penninsula to Sault Ste Marie, then down to Oshkosh. On the way home we went down to Westerville OH to visit the AMA museum. 2749 miles for the 10 day trip. I tried to install a MAXON CB unit on the bike, but seemed to have a lot of noise from the plugs (or somewhere). FInally pulled it out in disgust, deciding to install it in my truck someday. I talked to several people and all recommended CycleComm in Ohio? as great people who really have the CB problem solved. I wrote them and they sent me a catalog. Guess what radio is included in their offerings! Yup! I wrote asking for more information about what they use for mounting and additional noise suppression, but apparently the only modification they make is a push to talk button and special connector for motorcycle style headsets! So .... does anyone have a suggestion or comments on what they have done (if anything) to get a useable CB on the PC800? You can answer here, or leave me EMAIL on GEnie (W.ST.ONGE) or try out the MOTO roundtable area on GEnie (where I check in on a daily basis using the ALADDIN off line reader software). Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 20:47:12 -0400 From: RStreza@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: radar detectors Recommendation desired for dash mountable radar detectors and for good wheel alloy cleaner. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:24:42 -0400 From: Hammer609@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: FS: 1993 Yamaha Seca II Please forgive the PC/ST cross-posting. There is a connection: I recently purchased a very clean, low mileage 1990 PC800 for my wife as a five year anniversary present. This was to replace her Seca II (new in March). She just started riding this year and has a natural ability that I wish I had. Anyway, after her riding the Seca with me on the ST!!00, she decided she wanted more - the PC800 in ST matching candy apple red. Therefore, we have the following bike FOR SALE: 1993 Yamaha Seca II stock dark metallic green absolutely in perfect condition oil/filter changes at 600, 1200, 2200, and 4200 miles 4600 miles on the clock no modifications MagKnight magnetic-'carbon-fiber' scratch pad included we are the second owners $3000 fairly firm Hammer 609 o __/\_> (),> /() 1967 BMW R69S need-a-name AMA#403458 1981 Yamaha SR500 Hammer STOC#035 1990 Honda PC800 Woodi HSTA#forgotten 1993 Honda ST!!00 STiffy HRCA#something ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 09:17:03 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Re: radar detectors >Recommendation desired for dash mountable radar detectors and for good wheel >alloy cleaner. My only experience is with the Liberty remote radar detector. It is fairly old and has very few bells and whistles, but it has served me well. Te fact that the receiving antenna is buried in the fairing must be decreasing the range, but so far no complaints. Both units (antenna and control unit) are weather proof - once I forgot to remove the control unit from the dash before I hosed the bike down - no problem. It certainly does not have the range or multiple band capability of current detectors, but since the PC is a fairly stealthy bike and I don't tend to speed that much anyway I'll stick with it for a while longer. As for the wheels, all I use is Simple Green cleaner, no scrubbing unless there are bug carcasses on the wheels. Speaking of a stealth PC, Cory and I are looking into buying radar jammers. Any experiences that anyone would like to share? Thanks! Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Oct 1995 14:46:29 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 14:50:53 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: radar detectors -Reply J&M 1-800-358-0881 has some options which relate to connecting a radar detector with an output jack into their audio systems. I think from their point of view, it doesn't matter what kind as long as it has an output jack. This makes sense to me. I wouldn't want to depend on seeing a small flashing LED and I wouldn't count on hearing a small little beeping noise from the dash with my helmet on. I guess my question is what is your user interface with the unit? BTW I think J&M tends to be one of the highest price options available. Having not had the courage to work up to spending that kind of money, I cannot trash or recommend them however what they suggest generally makes sense. For example, I think their take on bike-to-bike communicators is to just get a CB. Given some of the problems that I have heard about B-2-B radios, I am beginning to think this makes sense. On the fear side, they offer a tank bag system which features: "Music from an included automotive-type AM-FM cassette/auto-reverse radio, Dynavox(r) intercom and CB system for driver and passenger". All this for the $1399.00 price tag. Helmet headsets and CB antenna are not included. To add the rader detector audio override option (radar detector not included) add $100.00. For the headset, they want about $200.00. We're getting dangerously close to the price of the bike here. I saw an '89 used for $2175 in the HSTA newsletter. If anybody is interested, I have the phone number. I believe that the bike is in CO and is being offered with some limited delivery options. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:14:27 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff I just installed the tall Rifle wind shield and the Corbin earlier this month... I'm definitely in love! I am short, look through the wind shield, and there is perfect visibility, no distortion, and great wind protection. The best part is that I no longer have to be paranoid about my dash melting down with the Honda tall wind shield (it has twice already... once at their expense, the second time--extremely minor--when I left the tee-shirt off the wind shield while parked TWO HOURS in the sun. I also took the lemon pledge advice on the wind shield and it works GREAT! How can I send a graphics file to Kent for the home page? What format? What location can I FTP it to? Please advise... stevea@sc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:01:33 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:05:45 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff -Reply >>> 10/10/95 07:14am >>> I'm definitely in love! I am assuming that the following is a Rifle endorsement. I am short, look through the wind shield, and there is perfect visibility, no distortion, and great wind protection. The best part is that I no longer have to be paranoid about my dash melting down with the Honda tall wind shield (it has twice already... once at their expense, the second time--extremely minor--when I left the tee-shirt off the wind shield while parked TWO HOURS in the sun. I also took the lemon pledge advice on the wind shield and it works GREAT! How can I send a graphics file to Kent for the home page? What format? What location can I FTP it to? Well, Neill actually, but thats OK. I guess I should put some instructions on the page somewhere but basically, we have used Jason's site for FTP. You can ftp them to sina.tcamc.uh.edu in /pub/incoming/pc800. Then advise Jason and he will move them to a more permanant location and hopefully notify me and I'll get them from there and add them to the Web page. I't kind of round about but then, you get what you pay for. Please advise... stevea@sc.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:20:10 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:20:10 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff -Reply > I also took the lemon pledge advice on the wind shield and > it works GREAT! Huh? Did I miss something? Pledge for general cleaning/polishing, or for sunscreen protection (not that we'll need it here for 8 months......) GO MARINERS! *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:03:39 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Introduction Hi, I'm JT Smith, and I live near Clarksville, TN. My eMail address is jtsmcrider@aol.com. I have an '89 PC; my wife has a '90. Both were bought new, and both are stock with the tall windscreens. (I have recently purchased a set of Progressive Suspension fork springs, but I haven't gotten around to installing them yet). We use them almost exclusively for touring. I have an '88 Hawk GT that I use for most of my local and short-trip riding. I look forward to chatting with you all. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:03:32 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: radar detectors I use an Escort Solo 4, and it works well. It is battery powered, so there is no need to run a power supply to it. I opted for the audio output jack (an extra $20 on this model), and I ran a line from the fairing cowl to the gas filler compartment where I hook up the earphone lead. The only problem is that it is not weather proof, so I have to remove it in the rain. This is not really a big problem, because I tend to ride closer to the posted limits in the rain anyway. Nonetheless, I am looking into some sort of waterproof mounting system. Any suggestions? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:29:21 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks Waldo Hi Waldo, No I haven't heard of any aftermarket shocks for the PC. I haven't felt the need for new ones so far; so, I haven't really been looking either. The stock damping seems fine to me, but I only ride solo. I have also found no problem with having a one-sided preload adjustment. Have you been having a problem with it? I got the front springs in an attempt to correct the mild deceleration head shake that has developed in mine recently. I could probably just use some bigger spacers to get the preload up where it belongs, but I've had good results on other bikes with the Progressives; so, I thought I'd change springs while I was at it. Sorry, we already have plans for the weekend. Sounds like fun. Maybe another time. :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:29:25 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanks Gaye Thanks for the welcome, Gaye. Diane loves her PC. Here previous love was an R75 BMW that she bought when we were in Germany. But eventually she got tired of how much that "legendary reliability" started costing and the R75 was traded for a Hawk GT. She liked it, but never really got comfortable with its sporting riding position. When she first got on a PC, it was like coming home for her in terms of riding comfort and handling (actually, the PC is better on both counts than the R75). It was love at first sight, and it continues undampened. The PC travels well with an ST1100. A few years back, and I rode with a couple (both on ST1100s) from here to San Diego, CA via Colorado. It was a great trip, and the PC had no difficulty staying with the STs, even when the wick was turned up a bit. The ST has about a 15 mph higher top speed, but it can't be used on real roads for very long. The ST will cruise at any speed a sane rider might want to hold. :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:38:05 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[3]: Forwarded: Re: Tire stuff Ummm... I think I missed something. What's the deal with lemon pledge? Mike "My windshield is covered with bug juice" White '89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:21:21 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Lemon Pledge >Ummm... I think I missed something. What's the deal with lemon pledge? I've tried it on : Snomobile (paint over fiberglass), does ok. PC (Paint over plastic) , does so-so, quit using it. Never tried it on the windshiled though. I use the No.1 Novus plastic cleaner, does wonders, the shield looks better than when it was new. Also have Nos. 2 and 3 but have not used them yet, so I can't vouch for those. I remember someone asking Johnson & Johnson about using Pledge as a wax/polishfor bikes, and they said they definitely do *not* recommend it for that purpose. Good luck! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Thanks Waldo (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:29:21 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:34:27 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951010132915_120495328@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Oct 10 you wrote: > No I haven't heard of any aftermarket shocks for the PC. I haven't felt the > need for new ones so far; so, I haven't really been looking either. The > stock damping seems fine to me, but I only ride solo. I have also found no > problem with having a one-sided preload adjustment. Have you been having a > problem with it? My riding friends used to call my PC the 'Slinky Trunk' before I put the Works Performance rear shocks on it. If you don't grind an occasional peg or two you may not experience the 'Slinky Trunk' effect. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:39:05 CDT From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lemon Pledge On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:21:21 -0700 you wrote: >>Ummm... I think I missed something. What's the deal with lemon pledge? > >I've tried it on : Snomobile (paint over fiberglass), does ok. > > PC (Paint over plastic) , does so-so, quit using it. > >Never tried it on the windshiled though. I use the No.1 Novus plastic >cleaner, does wonders, the shield looks better than when it was new. Also >have Nos. 2 and 3 but have not used them yet, so I can't vouch for those. If I recall correctly (they don't always show the manufacturer of the product) the J.C. Whitney catalogue recommends against using No. 3 on polycarbonate. I have 1 & 2 from an earlier package they sold. Has No. 1 helped reduce windscreen fogging? Ruby's screen catches and keeps moisture too easily and on a dark morning, that's not fun. She has the tall Honda (polycarbonate) shield. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:57:15 -0500 Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Thanks Waldo At 01:34 PM 10/10/95 +0000, you wrote: >My riding friends used to call my PC the 'Slinky Trunk' before I put the >Works Performance rear shocks on it. If you don't grind an occasional >peg or two you may not experience the 'Slinky Trunk' effect. > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Kent, Do you have the Works Performance tel. # handy and do you recall the approximate cost? Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:01:02 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Re: Lemon Pledge >If I recall correctly (they don't always show the manufacturer of the >product) the J.C. Whitney catalogue recommends against using No. 3 on >polycarbonate. I have 1 & 2 from an earlier package they sold. You might be correct, but don't know for sure. Some one just recently had a bad experience with rain-x on a poly-c shield. It makes me think that plexiglass isn't so bad after all. >Has No. 1 helped reduce windscreen fogging? Ruby's screen catches and >keeps moisture too easily and on a dark morning, that's not fun. She >has the tall Honda (polycarbonate) shield. I don't believe I've ever had that problem, though my shield is a +2 Rifle. Since I can see over the shield this would not be too bad for me. Maybe I just haven't noticed. While under way the rain sheds away easily enough but nothing special. The only time I really have trouble with water on the shield is when going through a construction area in the rain. Can't go fast enough to clear the shield and you *have* to look through it to avoid any camouflaged potholes. If moisture relly becomes a problem you might want to consider what one of the listserv members did: add a windshield wiper :-) ! Honest, just check the archives! On the other hand, it does help to keep dust off the shield, and bugs come off a bit easier (not much). Good luck! Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:23:25 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:27:49 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Line art I scanned an advertisement that I had for a PC800. Actually it was from Cycle Trader and it was the ad that brought me to the bike I bought. Anyway, I scanned it and did some work to clean it up. It is about 500 x 300 pixels. I am putting in on the next edition of the web page and I have uploaded it to Jason's site (sina.tcamc.uh.edu in the /pub/incoming/pc800 directory). I uploaded both a .bmp and .jpg version. If you are a Windows user, you can use the .bmp inside of things like Word documents and scale it to fit. I bought some 1" x4" Avery labels and made some return address labels with my name and address and a postage stamp sized image of a PC800. The image is still very clear even when scaled down this small. I am expecting Jason to move this and the Michael S. Keller pictures of Ruby to the /pub/pc800/images directory at some point. Right Jason? Hope you get some use out of this. Thanks Jason!!! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Line art Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:25:06 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> I am expecting Jason to move this and the Michael S. Keller NT> pictures of Ruby to the /pub/pc800/images NT> directory at some point. Right Jason? I've moved the picture files. I'm glad someone reminded me about the .pcx files; I can't seem to find a package that can handle 24 bit pcx's. The files are huge and I have no way to view them. (ImageMagick, xv, and the ppm tools all complain.) If someone else wants to convert them to jpegs or something, feel free. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Thanks Waldo (from "Waldo E. Meeks" ) (at Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:57:15 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 21:24:01 Hi Waldo (Waldo E. Meeks), in <9510101857.AA00635@hpc.uh.edu> on Oct 10 you wrote: > At 01:34 PM 10/10/95 +0000, you wrote: > > >My riding friends used to call my PC the 'Slinky Trunk' before I put the > >Works Performance rear shocks on it. If you don't grind an occasional > >peg or two you may not experience the 'Slinky Trunk' effect. > Do you have the Works Performance tel. # handy and do you recall the > approximate cost? Sorry. I'm living in temporary quarters until I get enough of my house finished that I can move in. I have no idea where my records are stashed right now. I did a write-up when the pc800 maillist first started up, and it's probably in the archive somewhere, but I really don't have time to go look it up. :^( Working 14 hours a day 7 days a week for the last 8 months causes one to just let some thing go... If you find it, maybe send me a copy and when I get a chance I'll drop it in the PC800 web page I'm building in my spare time. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Thanks Waldo Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:35:35 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Since I can grep the archive, I came up with this, from an exchange between Kent and GS McQueen (who is no longer with this list, I believe). I've reformatted it. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Denver Show Information (from GSMcQueen@aol.com) (at Tue, 06 Dec 1994 18:49:32 -0500) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 21:59:58 CST Hi GSMcQueen (GSMcQueen), in <941206184446_7364007@aol.com> on Dec 06 you wrote: > While at the Denver International Show I found some information on some > of the items that we have been looking/talking about. Thanks much for the info. > Suspension: Works Performance Products Inc.,8730 Shirley Ave., > Northridge, CA, 91324 phone 818.701.1010, fax 818.701.9043 The owner has > a PC800. They suggest their steel bodied trackers for PC's as they do not > show anyway. Kent are these what you have??? They custom valve & spring > them based on your weight, passenger weight, and riding style. They also > have fork springs. (Kent did you do the back only or both front & rear?) I don't remember the name, but it sounds like what I got. My rear shocks have dual-rate springs. Preset at the factory. I told them my weight and the aux. weight that I usually run with. I figured an aux. of 100 lbs would be a good average between running empty and running with a passenger. I should have gone another 20-30 lbs. :^( And I asked for full compression and rebound damping. Good choice on that one. I got my fork springs elsewhere. BTW, I just remembered (went out to check clearance for the next question). I had some kind of difficulty with the bottom spacers that came with the WP shocks. I can't remember (two years ago), but I think I ended up hacking up the stock spacers as the WP spacers were too far off. Memory... :^( Dang. Memory is coming back all at once... I also asked for another 1/2 inch of shock length to compensate for the lower-profile ML2 and the fact that I wanted more cornering clearance. Had completely forgotten about that. WP was concerned about the extra length, but I had checked it out and anyway, they worked great. > with fittings ran to the gas/trunk hatch. They are also interested in > putting the quick adjustment levers (ARS) on the street trackers at the > bottom so that they could be accessed on a PC. Kent does it look like > there would be enough room at the bottom? They have a The WP shock profile is pretty much the same as the stock, so with the bike on the sidestand (worst case off the bike), there's, what, 3 inches behind, some towards the tire. On mine, about a half inch of the shock body (not the mount) extends below the trunk box. Would be more height clearance on the centerstand. Don't know what the adjustment would require since I've never seen it. However, I would *highly* recommend that if WP made an adjustable preload shock for the PC of some type, that you buy it instead of the fixed preload. Period... I cannot safely carry a 180lb passenger on mine. :^( > Stealth edging Edging, Winglets, Polish/Wax, Hitec bungees & radar/equip > mounts The 'Can-Do' cleaner/polish works! I bought a couple of cans when I got my edging. Sold one can to my flying buddy and kept the other for the PC. I spend easily half as much time cleaning the bike as I used to with this stuff. About $5 a can I think. Big aerosol can. > The Metz rep and Kent have convinced me to give them a try next spring. Amen. Don't buy a Dunlop k491 for the rear. As much as I complained about the ML2, at least I didn't have to worry about it freaking out on me when cold. And I think it's even getting worse tire mileage than the ML2. Whether you opt for a radial or not is a very valid question. I'd say unless you really push the thing, don't get a radial. I think it chops my gas mileage and is a bit noisier, but on the other hand, what it does on the edge of the tread makes up for it, IMHO. You didn't see anyone there with a fork brace for the PC did you??? :^( :^( (I gotta have a fork brace :^( Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:20:52 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 Shocks Hi Kent, I do drag the pegs on occasion (although it's usually when I've messed up my entry or picked the wrong line), and like I said, I've not had a problem with the stock springs or damping at all. My '89 stays nice and stable all the way down to the pegs and so does my wife's '90. I don't look forward to experiencing the "Slinky Trunk" syndrome, but I suspect it will arrive eventually. When it does, your comments on the WP shocks will no doubt come in handy. Thanks for the info. Has anyone else tried any other brands? :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Metzeler info desired To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mskeller@ion1.ionet.net (Michael S Keller) Can someone point me to a comprehensive review and comparison of Metzeler tires? Ruby's seriously considering them for her PC and I want to do the same for my GL1500. It's not obvious from the model names which are radial and which are not. Other factors would be nice to know, too. -Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:18:37 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com Apparently-To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu heel bearings In a message dated 95-09-27 08:57:17 EDT, bryceu@microsoft.com (Bryce Ulrich) writes: >I put on new EBCbrake pads front and rear Bryce, Which EBC pads did you use? While my wife's bike is new, I have been toying with the idea of putting on new pads since the stock brakes are one of the weakest points on the PC 800 IMHO. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:18:40 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire stuff In a message dated 95-09-29 16:39:37 EDT, tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: >Did anyone else get K555s with their bike? Yes, my wife's 1995 came with K555's and the new 1996 on the dealer's showroom floor also has K555's on it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:42:05 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1995 PC800 For Sale In a message dated 95-10-02 14:31:48 EDT, BetaTester@msn.com (Beta Tester) writes: >It is offered for sale for my payoff amount of >7500.00. > >This price is firm... I live in South Florida > >If you price a >1996 model ($1000 more). My price is good and color is nicer too than the >1996 model.... Beta Tester, I hate to rain on your parade, but I paid less than that for my wife's '95 brand new off the showroom floor. Good luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:42:06 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire catalog In a message dated 95-10-02 21:52:15 EDT, dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) writes: >geez..I've been surfin for an hour..isn't there any online catalogs that I >can check for tire prices on my ML2's to make sure I'm not getting hosed at >my dealer?? Chaparral gets about $80 front and $100 rear. That's mail order so figure about $15 for shipping. You would have to get them mounted and balanced, however. I do my own since we always have at least two bikes in the family and what I ride eats tires for breakfast so I do a fair amount of it and it was worth investing in the equipment. Are you in Seattle by any chance? There is a place there (something like Cycle Sport) that has a good supply of Metzelers and seems to have reasonable, if not outstanding, prices. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:25:30 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lemon Pledge Hey, Juan, how do you like your +2 Rifle windshield? And how tall are you? I plan to get a Rifle, but I'm not sure what height to get. I'm 6'1". Any advice you have would be appreciated. I was in AK in August for three weeks, covered a significant percentage of the state's highway system. What's all this about construction? Is there road constructioin in AK? Aside from the massive road repairs, I loved Alaska. What an incredible, beautiful state. Would make the short riding season worthwhile, I'd imagine. Do you hear of many motorcycle-wildlife collisions? Regards from Outside. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:42:25 -0500 Wed, 11 Oct 1995 9:44:54 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Lemon Pledge At 09:25 AM 10/11/95 -0400, you wrote: >Hey, Juan, how do you like your +2 Rifle windshield? And how tall are you? I >plan to get a Rifle, but I'm not sure what height to get. I'm 6'1". Any >advice you have would be appreciated. > >Jeff Hi Jeff, I put a rifle (tinted) on my pc with middle size windshield and it is just about the same as height as the tall hondaline. (The angle is not as pronounced as the hondaline.) I did however cut 1 1/2 inch off. I am 6'1" and look about 1" over the shield. I highly recommend the rifle. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: PC800 Shocks (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:20:52 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 09:00:01 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951010232051_41425479@mail06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 10 you wrote: > experiencing the "Slinky Trunk" syndrome, but I suspect it will arrive > eventually. When it does, your comments on the WP shocks will no doubt come > in handy. Thanks for the info. Has anyone else tried any other brands? There are no other aftermarket rear shocks for the PC800 than what Works Performance offers. I understand that they might be offering and adjustable preload shock now. I'd highly suggest it over the fixed preload shock. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Thanks Waldo (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:35:35 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 09:03:24 Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9510110235.AA10172@hpc.uh.edu> on Oct 10 you wrote: > Since I can grep the archive, I came up with this, from an exchange between > Kent and GS McQueen (who is no longer with this list, I believe). I've > reformatted it. Thanks Much! I don't even remember writing some of that stuff. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:40:44 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:40:44 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: tire catalog Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Thanks~ I went to Seattle Cycle Center and got an ML2 Plus for the rear, and a regular ML2 for the front...it's an INCREDIBLE difference..the first 100 miles or so are tough because the tires are VERY hard, and quite slippery...I took a 350mile ride down to Mt. St. Helens to 'break them in' :>) WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Check the www site soon for photos of lme and my brother on our trip to the Northern Cascades on my 89 and his 90.. the windshield and Corbin are next....... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Wed Oct 11 12:47:23 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 10:21:26 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: tire catalog What kind of difference? How is the ride different from before you bought these tires? I planning to buy a '94 next month and when the tires need replacing, I'd like to know what to look for. Thanks, Rusty rjackson@symantec.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: tire catalog Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/11/95 8:51 AM Thanks~ I went to Seattle Cycle Center and got an ML2 Plus for the rear, and a regular ML2 for the front...it's an INCREDIBLE difference..the first 100 miles or so are tough because the tires are VERY hard, and quite slippery...I took a 350mile ride down to Mt. St. Helens to 'break them in' :>) WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Check the www site soon for photos of lme and my brother on our trip to the Northern Cascades on my 89 and his 90.. the windshield and Corbin are next....... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:54:49 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: riding in AK >Hey, Juan, how do you like your +2 Rifle windshield? And how tall are you? I >plan to get a Rifle, but I'm not sure what height to get. I'm 6'1". Any >advice you have would be appreciated. I *really* like it. Best $200 I've spent on any bike I've owned. I'm 5' 7", so for you the +4 or +6 would work better. Complaint: fit is not what would you expect from Honda, but then again very few things are. Concerns: small strss cracks at the shiled mounting points (on the plexiglass) due to my overtightening of the plastic nuts. This is easily prevented though, and the cracks on my shield have not increased in size since I discovered them. Someone else commented on the fact that he doesn't have to worry about the dash melting anymore. I also use 12" of Stealth edging centered on the top of the shield. Works pretty good but I do feel an decrease in pressure between the shield and me (feel a push forward on the shoulders, nothing serious though). >I was in AK in August for three weeks, covered a significant percentage of >the state's highway system. What's all this about construction? Is there road >constructioin in AK? When were you here? We had a group from HSTA come up for a few days, had a really good time joining them for a couple of rides. Considering the small number of roads we have it should be hard to find road construction, but the weather here is a killer :-( >Aside from the massive road repairs, I loved Alaska. What an incredible, >beautiful state. Would make the short riding season worthwhile, I'd imagine. >Do you hear of many motorcycle-wildlife collisions? The season is great, but very, _very_ short. Cory And I went for our last ride of the season last Sunday, a couple of weeks later than usual. I only put 3,300 miles on the PC this year (about par). But when spring arrives and we get the bikes on the road the feeling is hard to describe, but is probably better than sex :-) Even hard core bikers wave back and all riders have a ten-tooth grin on their faces. Not many wildlife/motorcycle interfaces, but a few can be quite serious. A Goldwing rider was killed this spring when a moose tried to hitch a ride with him. I also know a guy that sliced a moose in half with his GPZ1100. He was in the hospital for about a year, but he lived to ride again. I found myself riding along a young moose calf one night, having slowed down when I spotted the mother but never saw the young one until it was about 8 inches from my left side =:-0 That's when I decided to get a halogen bulb for the headlamp. All in all, not bad. Hope to see you up here again some day. Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:55:27 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: riding in AK >Hey, Juan, how do you like your +2 Rifle windshield? And how tall are you? I >plan to get a Rifle, but I'm not sure what height to get. I'm 6'1". Any >advice you have would be appreciated. I *really* like it. Best $200 I've spent on any bike I've owned. I'm 5' 7", so for you the +4 or +6 would work better. Complaint: fit is not what would you expect from Honda, but then again very few things are. Concerns: small strss cracks at the shiled mounting points (on the plexiglass) due to my overtightening of the plastic nuts. This is easily prevented though, and the cracks on my shield have not increased in size since I discovered them. Someone else commented on the fact that he doesn't have to worry about the dash melting anymore. I also use 12" of Stealth edging centered on the top of the shield. Works pretty good but I do feel an decrease in pressure between the shield and me (feel a push forward on the shoulders, nothing serious though). >I was in AK in August for three weeks, covered a significant percentage of >the state's highway system. What's all this about construction? Is there road >constructioin in AK? When were you here? We had a group from HSTA come up for a few days, had a really good time joining them for a couple of rides. Considering the small number of roads we have it should be hard to find road construction, but the weather here is a killer :-( >Aside from the massive road repairs, I loved Alaska. What an incredible, >beautiful state. Would make the short riding season worthwhile, I'd imagine. >Do you hear of many motorcycle-wildlife collisions? The season is great, but very, _very_ short. Cory And I went for our last ride of the season last Sunday, a couple of weeks later than usual. I only put 3,300 miles on the PC this year (about par). But when spring arrives and we get the bikes on the road the feeling is hard to describe, but is probably better than sex :-) Even hard core bikers wave back and all riders have a ten-tooth grin on their faces. Not many wildlife/motorcycle interfaces, but a few can be quite serious. A Goldwing rider was killed this spring when a moose tried to hitch a ride with him. I also know a guy that sliced a moose in half with his GPZ1100. He was in the hospital for about a year, but he lived to ride again. I found myself riding along a young moose calf one night, having slowed down when I spotted the mother but never saw the young one until it was about 8 inches from my left side =:-0 That's when I decided to get a halogen bulb for the headlamp. All in all, not bad. Hope to see you up here again some day. Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:09:53 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Lemon Pledge In a message dated 95-10-11 09:32:34 EDT, you write: >Hey, Juan, how do you like your +2 Rifle windshield? And how tall are you? I >plan to get a Rifle, but I'm not sure what height to get. I'm 6'1". Any >advice you have would be appreciated. I just got a +4" (27" total height) and like it a lot. I am 5'11" and the wind just goes over my head. I can just see over it too, if I have to, though I usually look through the top few inches. FWIW, Rifle was surprisingly responsive on my order. They thought they had made a shipping mistake (I ordered it in a custom color) and called me before it arrived. They told me about the mistake, told me to use the stock base that I would find in the package and that they were making me a new base and would send it out as soon as possible. I got the package a couple of days later and found that there was no mistake. I called immediately, but they had already produced a new custom base and shipped it. They have now arranged to have the second base picked up at their expense. That's pretty good service in my book. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:09:57 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire catalog In a message dated 95-10-11 11:48:50 EDT, you write: >I went to Seattle Cycle Center and got an ML2 Plus for the rear, and a >regular ML2 for the front...it's an INCREDIBLE difference..the first 100 >miles or so are tough because the tires are VERY hard, and quite >slippery...I took a 350mile ride down to Mt. St. Helens to 'break them in' >:>) WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE That's the place I was referring to in my message. You mention that they are very hard. Interesting, I have heard that they are softer and stickier than the Dunlops. Or was that just during the first hundred miles? How did they feel after that? Softer? Stickier? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:29:13 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) Subject: Custom color base? >FWIW, Rifle was surprisingly responsive on my order. They thought they had >made a shipping mistake (I ordered it in a custom color) and called me before >it arrived. They told me about the mistake, told me to use the stock base >that I would find in the package and that they were making me a new base and >would send it out as soon as possible. I got the package a couple of days >later and found that there was no mistake. I called immediately, but they had >already produced a new custom base and shipped it. They have now arranged to >have the second base picked up at their expense. That's pretty good service >in my book. This service was not available when I got mine. What types oc cutomization do they have? What color did you get yours in? Thanks! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: tire catalog (from TedJ101@aol.com) (at Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:09:57 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 13:28:51 Hi TedJ101 (TedJ101), in <951011140956_41849807@mail02.mail.aol.com> on Oct 11 you wrote: > In a message dated 95-10-11 11:48:50 EDT, you write: > > >I went to Seattle Cycle Center and got an ML2 Plus for the rear, and a > >regular ML2 for the front...it's an INCREDIBLE difference..the first 100 > >miles or so are tough because the tires are VERY hard, and quite > >slippery...I took a 350mile ride down to Mt. St. Helens to 'break them in' > >:>) WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE > > That's the place I was referring to in my message. You mention that they are > very hard. Interesting, I have heard that they are softer and stickier than > the Dunlops. Or was that just during the first hundred miles? How did they > feel after that? Softer? Stickier? ML2's are much sticker than any of the Dunlops that will fit on a PC. Maybe he's talking about the tire mold skim that few tire manuf. scuff off, though it only takes me about 5 miles to do so. Maybe he's talking about tire warm-up time. The ML2's only have about a 30 min warmup whereas both sets of Dunlops I ran took more like an hour to warm-up. And of course, there's this beautiful Battlaxe that I'm running on the front which takes a tiny bit less time than the ME33's but sticks better and controls better. :^) I can finally quit using the blasted rear brake now that I'm running the Battlaxe. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:57:46 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking In a message dated 95-10-11 14:40:00 EDT (Re: PC800 Tire Catelog), Kent wrote: >Maybe he's talking about tire warm-up time. The ML2's only have >about a 30 min warmup whereas both sets of Dunlops I ran took >more like an hour to warm-up. And of course, there's this beautiful >Battlaxe that I'm running on the front which takes a tiny bit less time >than the ME33's but sticks better and controls better. :^) At a recent tire seminar I attended, the Bridgestone tech guy said that warm-up time (and degree) is much more sensitive to tire pressure than it is to tire type--although radials generally run cooler longer, which is why they give better wear performance. Another interesting point that he brought out is that maximum grip occurs at a tread-base temperature of about 100 deg centigrade. What surprised me is that this is true for any compound and any tire design. He further pointed out that it is nearly impossible to get a tire to this temperature on the street unless you run it at a really low pressure. And if you do run a tire this hot by dropping the pressure, you will of course not get much mileage out of them. His advice: If you want short-term traction for playing in the twisties, run the tire at the lowest pressure possible without introducing handling problems due to excessive side-to-side flexing (then pump 'em back up again for normal riding). If you want maximum mileage, run the pressure up near the maximum rating for the tire. > . . . I can finally quit using the blasted rear brake now that I'm running the >Battlaxe. Why do you want to stop using the rear brake? While it is true that it becomes more and more difficult to keep from locking it as your front braking becomes more effective, there is still some useable stopping power there up to the point that you are doing a stoppie (which I can't imagine being able to do on a PC regardless of what tire you've got up front). It is also true that you don't need both brakes for normal speed adjustments and stops (and if you going to use only one brake, the front is the one to use). However, what you will use in an emergency is the same as you have trained yourself to use routinely. The strategy that says, "I'll use one brake normally, but I'll use both if I really need to stop quickly" is simply wishful thinking. In an emergency, reflex takes over. If the habit and the skill isn't already there, it won't miraculously appear when the time comes. So what's the point of this rant? I guess it's a concern for your safety and the safety of others who subscribe to this list. And, like all unsolicited advise, you are free to ignore it, but please stay with both brakes and practice to perfect the reflex to control them. :) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Oct 95 18:04:39 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: Honda Pacific Coast Owne Subject: SubscribePC800 SubscribePC800. Dana Sawyer, 112 Bishopgate Road, Columbia SC 29212-1956, tel 803.781-4293. I have a '90 PC800 with 60,000. More later if this goes through! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Oct 95 18:09:46 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Copy of: My first message on the net! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 TO: (Unknown), >internet:majordomo-owner@tcamc.uh.edu DATE: 10/11/95 1:22 PM RE: Copy of: My first message on the net! My name is Dana Sawyer. I live at 112 Bishopgate Road, Columbia SC 29212-1956, tel. 803/781-4293. I am the founder, past president, Executive Committe member and South Carolina state director for the Honda Sport Touring Association. I have a '90 PC with 60,000 miles. Modifications include an SOS headlight modulator, 80/55 headlight bulb, Corbin, seat, Saeng Stealth windscreen edging, SOS Priority Plus taillight modulator. I use Golden Spectro 10W/40; change oil, filter and final drive oil every 4,000 miles. Have original brake pads and linings, original battery. I keep a Battery Tender on it when not riding. We have nearly 100 PC owners within our HSTA mebmership of 1700+ members. Anyone interested, send me your name and address and I'll mail you a brochure/membership application! I'll be looking forward to hearing from you folks! Be careful out there...Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 11 Oct 95 18:10:14 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 TO: (Unknown), >internet:majordomo-owner@tcamc.uh.edu DATE: 10/11/95 1:28 PM RE: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! STAR '96, the 14th national rally of the Honda Sport Touring Association, will be held June 16-20, 1996 at the Canaan Valley Ski Resort in West Virginia. We hope to have a large group of PC owners at this event, and we hope that some of you folks can join us! If you are not a member, send me your mailing address and I'll mail you an information brochure/membership application. I'll be looking for you "on the road" and at STAR '96! Be careful out there! Dana Sawyer with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:11:04 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:15:23 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Welcome Dana Welcome Dana I as well as several others on this list are members and supporters of HSTA. It's great to have you among our midst (mist?). I and others have promoted HSTA around here enough that I think everybody who is not already a member is saying, "Badges? badges? we don't need no stinking badges!" Maybe now that you're here perhaps you can put some pressure on Mike Morris to give us a little coverage in the STAReview. He does a great job with the newsletter! I just thought that he would really enjoy this aptmosphere. I noticed he had an email address and I sent him some info but never heard anything. Perhaps he is new to this electronic world. I noticed that it looks like he is selling his PC. What's the deal? He always seemed like such a PC fan. Is he going for a second one? ;-) Anyway, I thought I noticed you lurking about but now that you've more or less officially come out of the closet, I thought I say hello. Hello. Neill Thompson '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:32:49 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:29:52 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire catalog -Reply Merci Seattle to St Helens (even via I-5) takes more than 5 minutes more like a couple hours at freeway speed then the turn east up to St Helens for a nice curvy drive.. Maybe the tire slips, break in, road feel etc. have a lot to do with road temperatures more so than tire temps.. It isnt any warmer down there in Arizona now, is it? (seems like I can recall more flat tires from my 18 wheeler days in Arizona and Nevada than in the other Western states::) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:19:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:19:12 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re[2]: tire catalog Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu rusty...they just seem to stick a little better than the dunlops...I'm pretty happy...I have a feeling it takes about 500 miles or so for them to break in nicely... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Wed Oct 11 20:04:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:49:11 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[3]: tire catalog I saw that in a couple of other messages following yours as well. Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re[2]: tire catalog Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/11/95 5:31 PM rusty...they just seem to stick a little better than the dunlops...I'm pretty happy...I have a feeling it takes about 500 miles or so for them to break in nicely... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:16:02 -0400 From: HTBIII@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Replacing speakers It's time to replace the speakers on my PC with the factory radio. The only problem is -- I don't know where to begin. I guess I'll poke around until I figure it out, but if anyone has helpful hints, I could sure use them. Oh, I bought replacement speakers from Cycle Comm. I'll let you know how it works out. Tom Byron 90 PC (red) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:57:46 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 23:35:17 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951011165745_121552139@mail06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 11 you wrote: > Kent wrote: > > . . . I can finally quit using the blasted rear brake now that I'm running > the > >Battlaxe. > > Why do you want to stop using the rear brake? While it is true that it > becomes > more and more difficult to keep from locking it as your front braking becomes > more effective, there is still some useable stopping power there up to the > point When you are throwing the bike from dragging one side peg to dragging the other and need to scrub off a little speed for the next corner, using the rear brake isn't very advisable as it upsets the suspension. Of course, with previous tires which would fit the PC, hitting the front brake caused the bike to upright fairly violently, which is worse than upsetting the suspension... So I just had to go slower and plan the line much more carefully. Now I can go back to being sloppy. :^) (that's a joke, Son) BTW, someone mentioned brakes earlier. I haven't had problems with the front pads or the rear shoes (even though I have managed to scrub off a lot of rear shoe due to the above condition). However, my brake hoses have most certainly gotten soft. I've been planning on replacing them with steel-braided hoses. Also make sure you replace your brake fluid reasonably often. It does deteriorate... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:23:08 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire catalog In a message dated 95-10-11 14:40:27 EDT, kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) writes: >ML2's are much sticker than any of the Dunlops that will fit on a PC. >Maybe he's talking about the tire mold skim that few tire manuf. >scuff off, though it only takes me about 5 miles to do so. Maybe >he's talking about tire warm-up time. The ML2's only have about a Kent, I could understand the mold release agent issue, but that isn't hard -- slippery, yes, but not hard. Perhaps he is just equating slippery with hard. As you do, I would find it hard to believe that the mold release wax would stay in place for 100 miles, though. I have run Metzelers on other bikes and have never had initial slipperiness problems, though I scuff the tires before "using" them hard (If I ever do use them hard )... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:23:13 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! In a message dated 95-10-11 18:18:54 EDT, you write: > If you are not a member, send me your mailing address and >I'll mail you an information brochure/membership application. I'll be looking >for you "on the road" and at STAR '96! Be careful out there! Dana Sawyer Dana, My address is: Ted Johnson 7 Belmont Drive Wilmington, DE 19808 Thanks--- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:23:09 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Custom color base? In a message dated 95-10-11 14:41:08 EDT, jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula) writes: >This service was not available when I got mine. What types oc cutomization >do they have? What color did you get yours in? Thanks! Juan, What I was referring to is the color matched base to match the body color of your PC. They charge $40 extra for that service and it is a bright finish as opposed to the "pebble" finish of the stock item (they put the medium in the mold bacwards so that the "pebble" finish is on the inside). Since it is a painted finish, I would imagine that they would make it for you in any color that you request. While you could retrofit it, I'm not sure that would be a very good use of resources. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:31:31 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Tire dragging on something My '89 has learned a new trick. The rear tire is dragging, or rubbing against something under the trunk somewhere. I have a Metezler ML2 on the rear, and the extreme left edge of the tread is rubbing. Best I can guess, it's rubbing against the shaft drive arm thing. It didn't do this at first; I've put 3,000 trouble-free miles on it. Can the tire be getting wider as it wears? The rubbing problem itself is not really a bad problem; only about 1/8" or so of wear is showing at the very edge of the tread. I'm concerned, however, that it may be symptomatic of something else. The bike rides fine, with no hint of shimmy or instability in the rear. Any suggestions? Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Tire dragging on something (from m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)) (at Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 09:53:44 Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199510121431.KAA14014@mwunix.mitre.org> on Oct 12 you wrote: > My '89 has learned a new trick. The rear tire is dragging, or rubbing against > something under the trunk somewhere. I have a Metezler ML2 on the rear, and the [...] > instability in the rear. Any suggestions? Thanks. ok what can cause this: 1) low tire pressure - tire flattens out and starts rubbing. Probability - high. 2) bent wheel rim. Probability - fairly high. 3) rear loading too heavy. Pushing bike down on top of tire. Probability - low. 4) damaged shock. Probability - low. Ought to be quite unstable... 5) swingarm bushing worn or locknut loose - swingarm shifts left or right. Probability - very low. Should feel the swingarm jump in and out of position. 6) rear axle loose. Probability - very low. I think We can rule out hub alignment since there really isn't any. Where is the wear showing on the tire? Any loose articles in the tire well? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 11:35:11 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Tire dragging on something >ok what can cause this: 1) low tire pressure - tire flattens out and starts rubbing. Probability - high. I should have mentioned that the tire is properly inflated. >Where is the wear showing on the tire? Any loose articles in the tire >well? The wear is abut 1/8" along the extreme left edge of the tread, just before the tire wall begins; that is, at the very widest part of the tire. No loose stuff in the well. I'm pretty convinced that tire is rubbing against the drive shaft housing, but I need a longer inspection mirror to make sure. The real question is why would it start doing this right now. No, I haven't dropped the bike or had any other mishaps. I notice the rubbing most in a hard left turn; I can hear and feel the vibration of the tire rubbing on something. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:43:46 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Tire dragging on something Didn't the early PCs have a problem of the tire touching and cutting through at the top of the trunk hump? Or am I remembering something else? -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:35:48 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Tire dragging on something At 09:53 AM 10/12/95 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199510121431.KAA14014@mwunix.mitre.org> on Oct 12 you wrote: > >> My '89 has learned a new trick. The rear tire is dragging, or rubbing against >> something under the trunk somewhere. I have a Metezler ML2 on the rear, and the >[...] >> instability in the rear. Any suggestions? Thanks. > >ok what can cause this: > >1) low tire pressure - tire flattens out and starts rubbing. > Probability - high. I remember reading a while back something about the 89's lunching one of the saddlebags from the inside due to tire rubbing, could this be the case? Did anyone find out why they were doing this? Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:33:04 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Tire dragging on something >I remember reading a while back something about the 89's lunching one of the >saddlebags from the inside due to tire rubbing... I checked carefully, and I'm sure it's not rubbing on the inside of the trunk. It pretty much has to be the drive shaft housing. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:18:00 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: 1995 PC800 For Sale >>In a message dated 95-10-02 14:31:48 EDT, BetaTester@msn.com (Beta Tester) writes: >It is offered for sale for my payoff amount of >7500.00. > >This price is firm... I live in South Florida > >If you price a >1996 model ($1000 more). My price is good and color is nicer too than the >1996 model.... Beta Tester, I hate to rain on your parade, but I paid less than that for my wife's '95 brand new off the showroom floor. Good luck!<< Yeah, I got my '95 out of the crate for $6700, and I believe Roger Prince did, too. Good luck getting your asking price, but don't expect the buyer to be a subscriber to this list. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:44:00 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking Hi Kent: In a message dated 95-10-12 00:38:24 EDT, you write: >When you are throwing the bike from dragging one side peg to dragging the >other and need to scrub off a little speed for the next corner, using the >rear brake isn't very advisable as it upsets the suspension. Of course, >with previous tires which would fit the PC, hitting the front brake caused >the bike to upright fairly violently, which is worse than upsetting the >suspension... So I just had to go slower and plan the line much more >carefully. Now I can go back to being sloppy. :^) (that's a joke, Son) Heh, heh! I get it, Pops. Uh, on second thought, which part of all that was the joke? :-) We seem to have arrived at vastly different techniques for getting quickly through a chicane. I prefer not to use either brake at that critical moment. But if I must recover from a small mistake and "need to scrub off a little of speed," I prefer to use the rear rather than the front. Contrary to your notion that it destabilizes the suspension, with a shaft drive (non-Paralever) trailing the rear brake while maintaining power stabilizes the suspension and maintains ground clearance. Using the front brake is effective in scrubbing off speed, but it also sacrifices a lot of ground clearance. (Maybe that's why you're dragging those pegs so much?) Of course, if the mistake in entry speed is really serious, then there is no choice to bringing the front into play, but I simply blend in the front and ease up on the rear. You mentioned using a radial on the front. What size? What tire pressure? What about the rear? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 11:46:11 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Hi Dana, I'd like the information you mentioned. My address is below: Russell Jackson 1212 N. Beverly Glen Blvd. Bel Air, CA 90077 Thanks, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/11/95 3:35 PM ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 TO: (Unknown), >internet:majordomo-owner@tcamc.uh.edu DATE: 10/11/95 1:28 PM RE: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! STAR '96, the 14th national rally of the Honda Sport Touring Association, will be held June 16-20, 1996 at the Canaan Valley Ski Resort in West Virginia. We hope to have a large group of PC owners at this event, and we hope that some of you folks can join us! If you are not a member, send me your mailing address and I'll mail you an information brochure/membership application. I'll be looking for you "on the road" and at STAR '96! Be careful out there! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 15:48:43 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Hi, Does anyone have any idea why when I reply to a message from the server, it goes, but if I send it direct to the server, I never see it come back and no one ever replies indicating it never went out? Thanks, Rusty rjackson@symantec.com P.S. - I am using the same address to send direct to that I see when I reply. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/12/95 1:11 PM I'd like the information you mentioned. My address is below: Russell Jackson 1212 N. Beverly Glen Blvd. Bel Air, CA 90077 Thanks, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/11/95 3:35 PM ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 TO: (Unknown), >internet:majordomo-owner@tcamc.uh.edu DATE: 10/11/95 1:28 PM RE: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! STAR '96, the 14th national rally of the Honda Sport Touring Association, will be held June 16-20, 1996 at the Canaan Valley Ski Resort in West Virginia. We hope to have a large group of PC owners at this event, and we hope that some of you folks can join us! If you are not a member, send me your mailing address and I'll mail you an information brochure/membership application. I'll be looking for you "on the road" and at STAR '96! Be careful out there! Dana Sawyer ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:44:14 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Radios and Antennas Earlier this year I purchased the MAXON 27-MCB citizen band radio from J.C Whitney. I mounted it inside the trunk area and since the previous owner of my '89 had mounted a pair of cell phone antennas (for looks I guess), I replaced one of them with a combination AM/FM/CB rubberized 12-14" antenna. I was unable to use the unit, since the noise level from the plugs ( or something) was so bad. I pulled the unit and decided to sell it or mount it in my truck! The sale fell through and I have the unit back now. While at a Retread rally in WI, I talked to several people who had PCs and had the CycleComm systems mounted and were very happy with range and quality. I contacted CycleComm and they sent a catalog. Guess what one of their radios was? Yup. I followed up to see if they had some special noise kit that went with the unit and they said no, nothing special. They do have a special antenna for the PC ($69 !!!) that mounts on one of the rear crash bars. I suppose I could get it, and if I'm still not happy, that antenna could be mounted on my truck somehow, but I'd rather not spend that much if I don't have to. Does anyone have any good CB radio solution for me? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:41:54 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: radar detectors -Reply I would be interested in the phone number on that '89 you mentioned if you still have it. Thanks, Rusty rjackson@symantec.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: radar detectors -Reply Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/9/95 4:59 PM J&M 1-800-358-0881 has some options which relate to connecting a radar detector with an output jack into their audio systems. I think from their point of view, it doesn't matter what kind as long as it has an output jack. This makes sense to me. I wouldn't want to depend on seeing a small flashing LED and I wouldn't count on hearing a small little beeping noise from the dash with my helmet on. I guess my question is what is your user interface with the unit? BTW I think J&M tends to be one of the highest price options available. Having not had the courage to work up to spending that kind of money, I cannot trash or recommend them however what they suggest generally makes sense. For example, I think their take on bike-to-bike communicators is to just get a CB. Given some of the problems that I have heard about B-2-B radios, I am beginning to think this makes sense. On the fear side, they offer a tank bag system which features: "Music from an included automotive-type AM-FM cassette/auto-reverse radio, Dynavox(r) intercom and CB system for driver and passenger". All this for the $1399.00 price tag. Helmet headsets and CB antenna are not included. To add the rader detector audio override option (radar detector not included) add $100.00. For the headset, they want about $200.00. We're getting dangerously close to the price of the bike here. I saw an '89 used for $2175 in the HSTA newsletter. If anybody is interested, I have the phone number. I believe that the bike is in CO and is being offered with some limited delivery options. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:24:09 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: 71430.340@compuserve.com Cc: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking Hey Dana, In a message dated 95-10-12 17:55:53 EDT, you write: >Why ride at such a rapid pace that you are dragging first one peg and then the >other! I've never dragged a peg in my life, but prefer to slow down and see >something besides the center line. We already have too many crotch rocket >riders out there! Just the opinion of an old fossil! Dana I'm an old fossil too. After 40+ years of riding, I enjoy the sort of scenic cruising you recommend. As a matter of fact, I do very little spirited riding on the streets, and when I do it is usually on my Hawk and not my PC. And on the Hawk, I have yet to touch a peg down. I'm neither brave enough nor good enough to do that yet. (I did get to the outer edges of my boot soles at Road Atlanta a few years back, but the Hawk's pegs per se are still virgin.) The PC is my long-haul machine, so it spends most of its time just eating up the highway at sane (although frequently extralegal) speeds, while I enjoy the enviornment and the beauty in ways that only we who ride know and understand. All of this having been said, the PC handles quite nicely for its size and weight, and there are certain twisty roads that I know well where I find it hard to resist the urge to wick it up a bit. On such occasions, I have had no difficulty in finding its lean limit, which is really not all that high. That is, it is easy to get into the pegs at reasonable speeds and well within the limits of traction on most dry surfaces. There is little that compares to the feeling of smoothly hitting that perfect line at a speed that puts you right up to but still within the lean envelope of the bike. Smooth, precise, positive control is the goal and the reward of such practice, and an occasional tickle at a foot peg is simply notice that your working near the goal. Excessive peg dragging is really evidence of defective technique or judgement (or simple adolescent bravado) and not something of which to be proud. It is certainly not a goal to seek or a badge of accomplishment. I agree that there are quite enough adolescents (of all ages) out there to give us all a bad name. There is a fine line between having fun and being reckless. We all need to know where that line is--based on our individual skills, the type of equipment we are pushing, and our knowledge of the roads on which we ride. The problem is, of course, that our perception of that line and the perceptions of those who observe us are likely not to coincide. Thus, even though we are well within our limits, the general public may declare us to be a menace to society. The only responsible place to ride really quickly is on a race track. Sheesh! What a rant! Oh well, I guess you struck a nerve, Dana. . . . Thanks. JT (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:11:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:11:46 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking Cc: 71430.340@compuserve.com, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu yup...no peg draging for me. I want to ride for a long, long time. and something tells me the PC will last as long as I do..wheeeeeee. now...where's that map?... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Fri Oct 13 02:15:00 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:14:59 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas In a message dated 95-10-12 19:45:34 EDT, you write: > I >replaced one of them with a combination AM/FM/CB rubberized 12-14" antenna. > I was unable to use the unit, since the noise level from the plugs ( or >something) was so bad. I pulled the unit and decided to sell it or mount it >in my truck! The sale fell through and I have the unit back now. While at a >Retread rally in WI, I talked to several people who had PCs and had the >CycleComm systems mounted and were very happy with range and quality. I >contacted CycleComm and they sent a catalog. Guess what one of their radios >was? Yup. I followed up to see if they had some special noise kit that went >with the unit and they said no, nothing special. They do have a special >antenna for the PC ($69 !!!) that mounts on one of the rear crash bars. I >suppose I could get it, and if I'm still not happy, that antenna could be >mounted on my truck somehow I have done some reverse engineering on the Cycle Comm radios(they used a Midland a few years ago) and have found that they do nothing special to the radio, at least not then. In fact the changes made are to add a few relays for switching between intercom and CB. The intercom circuit is the transmitter modulation amplifier routed to the speakers the same as in a CB with a PA function. In fact any CB with a PA switch can easily be modified to serve as a bike intercom. Cycle Comm radios may have better performance due to the antenna involved if it is properly matched. I purchased a Cycle Comm radio but used an aftermarket antenna and have had generally poor performance. I went with a Radio Shack antenna made for use without a ground plane as the PC doesn't offer much of one. If the Cycle Comm antenna is of the same type you can expect a reduced range if you adapt it to your truck. I have heard the J&M intercom and/or radio often referred to as the best ( they are certainly the most expensive) and I know that they offer a noise filter expressly for the PC, however I do not know if it can be adapted. Once the weather turns a little colder here in Tennessee I plan to do some more work on my CB setup ( the one I made ) and try to develop better noise suppresion, antenna matching, and aesthetics. If I am successful with what I want to do I will post the results. Jim Minyard '90 PC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:44:00 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:21:22 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951012154359_122378522@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 12 you wrote: > >carefully. Now I can go back to being sloppy. :^) (that's a joke, Son) > > Heh, heh! I get it, Pops. Uh, on second thought, which part of all that was > the joke? :-) The last sentence. > We seem to have arrived at vastly different techniques for getting quickly > through a chicane. I prefer not to use either brake at that critical moment. > But if I must recover from a small mistake and "need to scrub off a little > of speed," I prefer to use the rear rather than the front. Contrary to your I prefer to use brakes at little as possible also. That's one reason I usually keep the rpm's over 6k in the tight twisties. But add some rapid vertical transitions, rough roads and the lack of sufficient rpms for engine steering in a dropoff that the PC has requires the use of brakes under certain (many around here) circumstances. With the Metzelers, use of the front brake to control speed and attitude just doesn't work unless the bike is in a mostly upright condition. If its not upright already, it will be soon. :^( > notion that it destabilizes the suspension, with a shaft drive > (non-Paralever) trailing the rear brake while maintaining power stabilizes > the suspension and maintains ground clearance. Using the front brake is The PC's suspension (with progressive rate front springs and 'decent' rear shocks) works pretty well when you have smooth roads and generally not much to upset all that weight... Using the rear brake on a rough road where the rear brake isn't making much ground contact anyway or when the suspension is already fully compressed just doesn't work. Of course I'm talking about travelling roads marked 15-20mph at about 4x that speed. My rear tire isn't in good contact with the road most of the time with the PC under these conditions. I mainly have to ride the front tire and the rear drifts and chatters as it will. With the ML2, this isn't a major concern as it doesn't do anything really bad to the suspension. All of the Dunlops I tried, however, yanked and jabbed the front tire around when they started loosing contact. > effective in scrubbing off speed, but it also sacrifices a lot of ground > clearance. (Maybe that's why you're dragging those pegs so much?) I'm never on the brakes when I'm dragging the pegs or the crashbar protectors AND (if you read the repost of my shock discussion, :^) my rear shocks have been lengthened to give me more ground clearance. Although the front forks have been shortened to dampen fork twist. :^( (I need a fork brace, Dammit) > Of course, if the mistake in entry speed is really serious, then there is no > choice to bringing the front into play, but I simply blend in the front and > ease up on the rear. It's not 'mistakes' that I'm talking about and it's not entry speed I'm talking about. I'm talking about setup speed prior to entry... I actually ride somewhat conservatively. I.e., I don't ride into the 'adrenalin zone' or to the point where I can't do anything about live road obstacles. I'm just talking about roads around here which are 'lively' enough to require braking at different places than what you see on a racetrack. I have a boatload of really good examples if you ever make it down here to the Texas Hill Country. :^) > You mentioned using a radial on the front. What size? What tire pressure? > What about the rear? I'm running a Bridgestone Battlaxe on the front, ML2 rear. Forgot what sizes. would have to check. I usually run ~38psi front, ~36psi rear, depending on type of riding/temperature. Slightly higher pressures when travelling. Disclaimer: before you all get all uppity about speed discussions, remember that I'm talking about roads that maybe see 10-30 2+ wheeled vehicles a day. I.e they are deserted. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:24:09 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:51:04 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951012232404_43320755@mail06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 12 you wrote: > Hey Dana, > > In a message dated 95-10-12 17:55:53 EDT, you write: > > >Why ride at such a rapid pace that you are dragging first one peg and then > the > > I'm an old fossil too. After 40+ years of riding, I enjoy the sort of > I agree that there are quite enough adolescents (of all ages) out there to > give us all a bad name. There is a fine line between having fun and being > reckless. We all need to know where that line is--based on our individual > ride know and understand. Here we go again. Making assumtions... You'd think that after riding 40 years you'd know better than that. I've been riding for over 32 years, with 21 years of that spent virtually every day on a motorcycle. I don't even own a car. My bike is my vehicle and has been so for those 21 years. If I miss just more than 2 days of riding, the loss of practice shows up very quickly and I adjust my riding to suit. > hard to resist the urge to wick it up a bit. On such occasions, I have had > no difficulty in finding its lean limit, which is really not all that high. > That is, it is easy to get into the pegs at reasonable speeds and well > within the limits of traction on most dry surfaces. There is little that Exactly, though with my suspension mods I get quite a bit more clearance than a stock PC. > compares to the feeling of smoothly hitting that perfect line at a speed that > puts you right up to but still within the lean envelope of the bike. Smooth, > precise, positive control is the goal and the reward of such practice, and an > occasional tickle at a foot peg is simply notice that your working near the Well said. > goal. Excessive peg dragging is really evidence of defective technique or > judgement (or simple adolescent bravado) and not something of which to be > proud. It is certainly not a goal to seek or a badge of accomplishment. Here we go again... What is the heck is 'excessive peg dragging'? Doing donuts in the parking lot with the bike laid on it's side? Seems to me that you want to draw the line at what you feel comfortable with, not what someone else may feel comfortable with. Ahhh, but you knew that : > skills, the type of equipment we are pushing, and our knowledge of the roads > on which we ride. The problem is, of course, that our perception of that > line and the perceptions of those who observe us are likely not to coincide. Well said again... > Thus, even though we are well within our limits, the general public may > declare us to be a menace to society. The only responsible place to ride > really quickly is on a race track. The roads I ride bring a lot of motorcyclists to the area and the locals accept and handle what they do there because the MC's bring in a lot of revenue which otherwise wouldn't be there. The local and state police accept what goes on as long as you abide by a few unwritten rules which have been established in the 40+ years that this has been going on. Funny thing about all of this is that if probably 90% of you were to ride with me under normal conditions in traffic, you'd call me an 'old codger' and figure I'm a paranoid old man on a big scooter. But then that's what's kept me riding every day for all these years. Plus the fact that riding in a car in traffic scares me to death. MisPerceptions and Assumptions usually lead to Problems Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:23:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Thanks Gaye Priority: normal I will confirm your experiences re the PC 800 touring with the ST1100's. I went to the Honda Hoot in Ashville in '94 (and have travelled out west.) Travelled from Wisconsin on the Freeways and have had NO trouble keeping up with my buddy on his ST1100. In fact he gets more quickly than I do and he's ten years younger than I. Riding the twisty roads or the Appalation Parkway there was absolutely no contest. He could only hope for some straight stretches so he could use his bigger engine to catch up. I had the usual mental block when I first bought the PC, Big Scooter etc, but after 18 months of superb comfort and great handling I have not found a bike that I like bettter and I have ridden quite a few ---------- The comments of people that I swopped with have been very positive and VERY suprised like "Gee, I didn't think that it would handle THAT good" and " Its not bad if you wind it up through the gears " So I feel happier with the PC as time goes on Regards to all John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:16:05 +0000 Subject: Re: Copy of: STAR '96 - our 14th national rally! Priority: normal Dana, mail me some info on the HSTA please, John G Palfery 2309 Cortland Drive Appleton WI 54914 Ph (414) 735 9212 Thanks ! John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:37:30 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking Hi again, Kent. In a message dated 95-10-13 10:55:13 EDT, you write: >Here we go again... What is the heck is 'excessive peg dragging'? Doing >donuts in the parking lot with the bike laid on it's side? Seems to >me that you want to draw the line at what you feel comfortable with, >not what someone else may feel comfortable with. Ahhh, but you knew >that . . . >The roads I ride bring a lot of motorcyclists to the area and the locals >accept and handle what they do there because the MC's bring in a lot of >revenue which otherwise wouldn't be there. The local and state police >accept what goes on as long as you abide by a few unwritten rules which >have been established in the 40+ years that this has been going on. Hey, Kent; chill out. My comments were not directed at you; I was responding to Dana's comments regarding the legions of crotch-rocket jockeys out there flailing around the countryside. I'm sorry if my comments offended you; it was not my intent. Your riding techniques are your business, even if they are not the ones that work well for me. If you're comfortable with it and have a safe place to do it (and from what you describe you apparently do), then grind the suckers off 'til your ankle bones start to bleed. It's your bike, your money and your backside. Enjoy! Most of us don't have the luxury of a safe, off-track sporting venue such as the one you describe. I sure wish I did once in a while, although I don't envy what you describe in terms of the surface conditions. I guess I'm spoiled by our roads here in the midsouth: they're smooth, well maintained and a joy to ride. Unfortunately, the local constabulary are not particularly understanding when they observe anyone having fun contrary to the dictums of the DOT sign makers and double-line painters. Case in point: Deal's Gap over in the Smokies is one of the most challenging and fun roads I've ever ridden, but the locals simply don't like to be scared spitless by a phalanx of squid each trying to see how much foot-peg and knee-puck material (and, sadly, ABS / fiberglass parts) they can leave on the pavement (and trees and rocks). Consequently, the local sheriff has develooped one of the fastest pencils in the country, and the local coffers are overflowing. I'll leave this topic for good with a parting observation: I've known, observed, and/or ridden with a great many riders over the years. Most were pretty weak in the skills department, a few were pretty good, and fewer still were highly skilled. Most survived; some did not. Most were slow, some were fast, and some were very fast. Those who were fast did a lot of peg dragging; those who were very fast did not. There has to be a message in there somewhere. Ride well and enjoy :-) JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Tire Warm Up and Braking (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:37:30 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 16:00:12 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951013153718_43833654@mail04.mail.aol.com> on Oct 13 you wrote: > were highly skilled. Most survived; some did not. Most were slow, some were > fast, and some were very fast. Those who were fast did a lot of peg > dragging; those who were very fast did not. There has to be a message in > there somewhere. The message is that they weren't riding a PC. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:09:35 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Rifle windshields Last question for those who have bought a Rifle tall shield. Tint or clear? I don't really understand the advantage of a tinted shield, but maybe I'm missing something. So, Waldo, you're recomending the 22" shield for someone 6'1"? Thanks, everyone. Jeff Juan, I was in AK for the first three weeks of Aug. I'll be back some day, don't you doubt it. <> ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:30:48 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas At 07:44 PM 10/12/95 -0400, you wrote: >Earlier this year I purchased the MAXON 27-MCB citizen band radio from J.C >Whitney. Was this the remote transciever model? > I was unable to use the unit, since the noise level from the plugs ( or >something) was so bad. I thought the PC came equiped with resistor plugs, maybe the coils? What side of the trunk did you install it, and where (forward or aft)? >I contacted CycleComm and they sent a catalog. You wouldn't happen to still have their number, would you? Thanks! >Does anyone have any good CB radio solution for me? Not yet, but Cory and I are working on one. "Fireman" Joe of HSTA fame had one installed in his '90, as did Joanie (dang, I forgot her last name)in her '89. Joe had his installed in the trunk, if memory serves me right, and Joanie hacked out the pocket in the "glove compartment" (ugh, I hate radical surgery) and dropped it in there. I'll try to get their e-mail addresses, maybe they can offer some guidance. On different note, has anyone seen this month's issue of Motorcycle Consumer News? They have an article about riding on the internet and - TA DA ! - the PC800 listserv is featured! We will probably have a few new subscribers pretty soon. Jason, is your machine up to the challenge? : - ) Ok everybody, have a great weekend putting miles on those PC's and keep us snowbound riders in mind while you carve that perfect corner. Later... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:45:12 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: JAG> On different note, has anyone seen this month's issue of Motorcycle JAG> Consumer News? They have an article about riding on the internet and JAG> - TA DA ! - the PC800 listserv is featured! Actually they published Carl's list, minus the regional lists and any attribution to Carl. This lead to a big stink which we should see resolved next month. JAG> We will probably have a few new subscribers pretty soon. Jason, is JAG> your machine up to the challenge? : - ) Don't feel too self-important. The FVWM list has over ten times the subscribers and more traffic, so don't worry. Feel free to invite all of your friends and publish the address everywhere. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:01:43 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas >Actually they published Carl's list, minus the regional lists and any >attribution to Carl. This lead to a big stink which we should see resolved >next month. Hmm... sure doesn't sound like MCN's style, should be interesting to see what they have to say. >Don't feel too self-important. Moi? Too self-important? I'm hurt! ; - ) >The FVWM list has over ten times the >subscribers and more traffic, so don't worry. Feel free to invite all of >your friends and publish the address everywhere. Nope, don't have any more friends that own PC's (bummer). I actually meant all those who read said article. (What is FVWM by the way?). Later... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:05:38 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JAG" == Juan A Goula writes: JAG> Hmm... sure doesn't sound like MCN's style, should be interesting to JAG> see what they have to say. Fred made a public apology; apparently he's not too Internet-savvy. JAG> Nope, don't have any more friends that own PC's (bummer). I have one but he's not connected. He gets printouts every once in a while. There was another PC rider here at UH that was moving (coincidentally) to Alaska and said he had to sell his. I don't know if he did or not. JAG> (What is FVWM by the way?). A window manager made popular by the Linux operating system. I have varied interests; from the output of "lists": ding-announce Announcements relating to the (ding) newsreader fvwm Discussion about the FVWM window manager ksr-list Discussion about the KSR family of supercomputers pc800 Discussion about Honda's Pacific Coast motorcycle type-o Discussion about the band Type O Negative - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 08:44:33 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Radios Cycle Comm, 3300 Castle Road, Woodstock, IL 60098 815-337-0790 Voice 815-337-0340 Fax 800-527-6798 Orders The unit I purchased from JCW was the Maxon 27 MCB, on sale for either $ 69 or $ 79 dollars. It uses a small box which I mounted in the right trunk front verticle flat area. The antenna was mounted on the right trunk upper section. I have a Corbin seat, so I just snaked the cord on the handheld unit 'carefully' through the gap between the passenger seat and the rider seat. I then fed the cord through the waste band velcro strip on my Roadgear Darien jacket. and cranked the volume up. I purchased the automotive ear/microphone and push to talk button, but they are totally worthless for use on the motorcycle. It hurts the ear, there is so much noise the 'microphone' portion won't work, and the lead wire picks up A LOT of plug noise. I put plugs in the machine this year, but don't know if they are resistor style or not. I used whatever the owners manual said. I am and have been for several years, a user of the MOTO roundtable over on GEnie. MCN has topic area there and the Internet list Internet reaction came up. Fred said that he has talked with the author(s) of the list and everything is settled between them and 'no hard feelings'. I have used GEnie because it HAD the motorcycle section, and with a DOS program called Aladdin, I could perform a quick download or upload of messages to various topics in which I had an interest and skip other stuff such as race results (I like to watch them, but I don't REALLY care who wins). The 'Flash Mail' function here on AOL seems to do at least part of that. I certainly am interested in anything to do with "MY" PC800. I think I'll have to try the MOTOLIST too. All phone calls are long distance for me, so time spent ON LINE depletes the pocket book quite quickly over a month's (year's) time! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: Steering bearings damaged Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:31:00 GMT To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com Subject: Steering wheel bearings replacement??? My bike was hit and tip over twice in park with the steering locked. Looks like the steering is damaged and the dealer wants ~$180 for it. Wonder if I can do it myself? and what is required? TIA for any idea. --- * SLMR 2.1a * FORD = Fix Often, Repair Daily ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:41:48 -0400 From: DANCOTE@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800 Hello All, I'm a newbie to the list. Started riding on an Indian at 16 and have ridden for the past 36 years. Everything from scooters to Harleys and even a sidecar equipped Gold Wing. Dan Cote Bremerton, WA DANCOTE@AOL.COM 1989 PC800 (21K miles) Bought used this past April (17K miles) The bike is equipped with a Hondaline radio (OK FM, unusable AM), Honda tall shield (cut down 2.5" to suit me @ 5'9") and a larger passenger backrest (to suit my wife). Learned about the group in the most recent issue of MCN. Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:05:02 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 In a message dated 95-10-14 09:45:49 EDT, DANCOTE@aol.com writes: >I'm a newbie to the list. Started riding on an Indian at 16 and have ridden >for the past 36 years. Everything from scooters to Harleys and even a sidecar >equipped Gold Wing. Dan, Welcome to the group. It sounds as if you are about the same age as me. I started riding when I was 18, but I have had a lot of time off over the years. Just started again a year or so ago. I'm on the other coast (though I visited your area this summer), but we all have something in common here. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:16:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:16:55 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu dan hi ya..my brother steve and I live in Seattle..I have an 89, he has a 90.... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sat Oct 14 12:46:39 1995 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:42:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas Priority: normal Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:01:43 -0700 From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Radios and Antennas To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Actually they published Carl's list, minus the regional lists and any >attribution to Carl. This lead to a big stink which we should see resolved >next month. From JohnP. >Don't feel too self-important. Moi? Too self-important? I'm hurt! ; - ) >The FVWM list has over ten times the >subscribers and more traffic, so don't worry. Feel free to invite all of >your friends and publish the address everywhere. Nope, don't have any more friends that own PC's (bummer). I actually meant all those who read said article. (What is FVWM by the way?). Later... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:52:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Steering bearings damaged Priority: normal Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:31:00 +0000 (GMT) From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: Steering bearings damaged To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com Subject: Steering wheel bearings replacement??? To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 Hi everyone as well and welcome to the list Dan! I have been able to post to this list by responding to someone else's message, but I have had no luck in sending direct to the list. Could someone tell me what address I should be sending the direct mail to, just in case I am using the wrong one? Thanks, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800 Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/14/95 6:51 AM Hello All, I'm a newbie to the list. Started riding on an Indian at 16 and have ridden for the past 36 years. Everything from scooters to Harleys and even a sidecar equipped Gold Wing. Dan Cote Bremerton, WA DANCOTE@AOL.COM 1989 PC800 (21K miles) Bought used this past April (17K miles) The bike is equipped with a Hondaline radio (OK FM, unusable AM), Honda tall shield (cut down 2.5" to suit me @ 5'9") and a larger passenger backrest (to suit my wife). Learned about the group in the most recent issue of MCN. Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:23:16 -0400 From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 List Address Rusty: Post to the following to access the list directly: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:04:27 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 In a message dated 95-10-14 17:09:57 EDT, RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) writes: >From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) >Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > > I have been able to post to this list by responding to someone else's > message, but I have had no luck in sending direct to the list. Could > someone tell me what address I should be sending the direct mail to, > just in case I am using the wrong one? > Rusty, The Reply To: address in the quoted part of your message above should do it just fine. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:44:38 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:44:38 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: BMW R1100RT Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu oh-my-god I went to the BMW place in seattle today...they had a demo...he insisted, even after I told him I couldn't afford it..didn't matter, he said..go have fun...that's why we have it! so...I did...my-oh-my gang...I love my PC...lots...HOWEVER... BMW took the PC, ST1100, and big BWM and morphed it into the finest machine I've ever ridden...it's 35 lbs heavier than the PC, but feels TONS lighter. Nimble, quick, light as a feather to move thru twisties..The power/torque/smoothness is incredible...I hit 80 in the interstate and didn't even know it... the only neg I found was that the handlebars were a little to scrunched feeling, and there's that sideways flywheel thing that ALL BMW Boxer twins have...after 30 minutes of riding, I was already accustomed to it.. now.. where's that checkbook? :>) ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sat Oct 14 18:56:29 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:54 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Radios and Antennas I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sat Oct 14 19:20:32 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:19 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: BMW R1100RT >>DAVE WROTE: >>I went to the BMW place in seattle today...they had a demo...he insisted, >>even after I told him I couldn't afford it..didn't matter, he said..go have >>fun...that's why we have it! Must be nice!!!!!!! Dealers around here, especially Honda, only get in cruisers and a few crotch rockets. I've been told, flat out, that what I would consider to be a serious sport touring machine like a PC or ST would require a VERY LARGE deposit, up front, (refundability very questionable) before an order would even be made. DEMO RIDES? WHAT'S THAT? The general attitude seems to be, "Demos, demos, we don't do no stinkin' demos!" Life in the "Last Frontier." Cory From owner-pc800 Sat Oct 14 20:20:48 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:20:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:20:45 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: BMW R1100RT Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu cory..yeah..it was a hoot...but I could see that SALESMAN glint in his eyes when I got back...I guess that's what insurance is for..the demo had 850 miles on it already!! wheeeeee.. so much for wanting a goldwing... ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:15:32 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:16:18 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: RE: Re: Radios and Antennas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:20:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:22:00 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:24:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:25:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:27:04 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:27:00 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:27:00 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: 96 pc Cc: pc800@msc.mceo.dg.com i don't mind the 96 color either...kinda racy, in a slutty kinda way :>) bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:28:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:29:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:30:19 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:32:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:32:33 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:33:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:34:19 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:35:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:36:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:37:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:38:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:40:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:40:22 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:41:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:42:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:43:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:44:24 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:45:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:46:21 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:47:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:48:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:49:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:50:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:51:00 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:52:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:53:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:54:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:56:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:54:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 08:56:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:58:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:00:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 11:58:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:00:05 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:02:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:04:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:06:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:07:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:06:17 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:08:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:10:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:11:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:10:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:12:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:14:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:15:05 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:14:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:15:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:18:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:19:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:18:14 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:20:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:22:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:24:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:22:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:23:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:26:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:27:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:26:14 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:28:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:30:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:32:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:30:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:32:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:34:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:35:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:38:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:39:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:42:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:43:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:46:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:47:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:50:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:52:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:54:21 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:56:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 12:58:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:59:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:02:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:03:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:06:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:08:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:10:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:11:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:16:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:17:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:20:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:22:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:26:08 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:27:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:30:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:31:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:34:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:36:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:38:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:39:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:42:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:43:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:46:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:47:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:50:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:51:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:54:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:55:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 13:58:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 10:59:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:02:22 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:04:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:06:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:07:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:08:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:10:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:12:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:13:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:16:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:17:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:20:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:21:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:24:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:25:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:28:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:30:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:32:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:33:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:36:10 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:37:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:42:10 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:43:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:46:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:47:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:50:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:52:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:54:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:55:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 14:58:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:00:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:02:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:03:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:06:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:08:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:10:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:11:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:14:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:16:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:18:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:19:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:22:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:23:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:26:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:27:04 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:30:07 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:31:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:34:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:36:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:38:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:39:02 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:42:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:43:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 15:46:06 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:47:03 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable bmw......drooooooooooooool....heheheeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 16:00:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 13:02:01 PST From: Administrator_at_MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 15 17:14:23 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:14:21 -0400 From: DANCOTE@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Thanx for the welcome To all, Thanx for making me feel welcome to the group. I've responded directly to a couple of you with questions. I look forward to learning more about the group as time goes on. For those of you who are local, we'd love to have you join us for the Governor's Run next year. Don't have the exact date yet but it's invariably the first Sunday in May. Although the run is put on by the local Gold Wing club, it draws a very eclectic crowd and we have great riding here (Kitsap Peninsula & Olympic Peninsula in WA). I'll keep you advised. Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:20:48 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Message not deliverable ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/16/95 07:19 ## ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Administrator at MOBILE@ccgate.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/15/95 13:02 ## From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/15/95 12:14 ## Fireman Joe, aka Joe Beresford - Compuserve 73615,1475 I saw a '96 PC yesterday. I like it. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (CORY) ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil:dg-smtp Date: ## 10/14/95 15:54 ## I'm not sure what Fireman Joe's address is, I don't have my HSTA Blue Book with me. Joannie Pennick can be reached at: Joni11110@aol.com I don't remember if her radio was installed by friends or if it was there when she bought the thing. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 16 07:33:28 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:33:26 -0500 Mon, 16 Oct 1995 8:31:54 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Rifle windshields At 06:09 PM 10/13/95 -0400, you wrote: >So, Waldo, you're recomending the 22" shield for someone 6'1"? > >Thanks, everyone. > >Jeff Jeff, Which shield for you depends how far you like to see above it. The 22 is about the same as the tall hondaline. When you order directly from rifle and if you are not happy with how tall it is you can return the windshield portion of the instatllation kit for an exchange. They seem to be real nice folks to deal with. I can stand up about two inches above the shield and still not get any buffing. If the like looking well above the shield you may want the 20. I do recommend the tinted. It works great day, night or rain and I feel so much better when I see the sun shaded on the dash. Ride safe.. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:32:19 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Larger Backrest? I would love to get a larger backrest than the small one Honda provides. What is it that you're using? Bob ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development & support Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com Moorestown, NJ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Saturday Ride Results Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 09:57:17 CST I finally took a day off and went riding Saturday. Spent the day investigating the Battlaxe/ML2 combination and have some information which might be informative to some here. But before I start, I'll say that it's obvious that some people have difficulty with my discussions. I really don't care one way or the other. I've written pretty much the only first-hand reports on the effects of suspension modifications and tires on handling here (though someone recently mentioned that they installed progressive rate fork springs - good choice :^) and if you want to talk facts and results perceptions, I'll be tickled pink to do so. If you want to talk legends, I'd suggest you start another thread. It also appears that stating absolute conditions causes such hand-wringing that I'll provide comparative results instead. First off, I will now unhesitantly recommend the Battlaxe/ML2 combo: ML2 - 140/80/15 Battlaxe - 120/70ZR17 Street Compound I think I'll start with a comparison of entry speeds determined at specific places of my choice which I think are a good representation of where/how I ride. I'll start with stock and compare with three different setups in the order that I made the changes. Sorry, I won't discuss the Dunlop tires (except as stock) as once I got past #2 the Dunlops headed me backwards. Here are some typical entry speed comparisons starting with stock as '0'. Subsequent values are the accumulative increase in mph that was typically seen with each modification. (1) (2) (3) (4) 0 10 5 10 1) Stock 2) With progressive rate fork springs, forks raised 1/2" in clamps, Works Performance rear shocks set for full damping with 1/2" extra shock length over stock, ME33 CompK/ML2 3) ME33 Radial instead of the bias ply 4) Battlaxe This means that for a similar amount of effort, I'm entering corners at conservatively 25mph faster than the stock setup, which is a fairly substantial increase and this is only the first time I've really pushed the Battlaxe. Familiarity will increase this value somewhat. What is different with each change? Well, with my advancing years my memory tends to lose track of a few things, but I'll see what I can remember :^) #2: new fork springs controlled dive. fork raising dampened fork twist, allowed for slightly quicker steering and shifted the weight slightly forward. Shocks limited the 'Slinky Trunk' effect, improved ground clearance and also helped shift the weight forward. Metzelers provided some 'real' tires instead of those Dunlop bricks. I could now depend on the bike to generally do close what I asked. I.e. not have the suspension plant the bike several feet from where I intended and rear slides were fairly easy to control. #3: ME33 Radial substantially improved corner entering control. The rear didn't push the front into the turn quite as much, allowing for smoother transitions, thus faster entry speeds. The bad aspect of the 33 radial was that the tire didn't appear to hold itself together too well. Both of the 33 radials I ran began to fail towards the end of their tread life. They also dropped the gas mileage and were pretty loud. You wouldn't want them for touring :^) But they were some much nicer in the turns that I couldn't go back to bias-ply. Un/fortunately, the 33 radial is no longer produced. I suspect there was a problem with the tire related to what I saw but Metzeler provides no evidence that that is the case. Maybe simply not enough of them were purchased to continue the line. #4: I went to the Battlaxe mostly due to the Metzeler tire shortage. I went through a couple of tire surveys I obtained from the net and noticed that there was a fairly high correlation between the people who liked the Battlaxe and it being installed on medium-weight bikes. Moreso than any other tire. Since the Battlaxe wasn't rated to work with a bias-ply rear I was a bit hesitant to try it. However, I see no reason at this point to suspect there is a problem here. Also, the Battlaxe tread life is supposed to be greater than the ME33's even though it is a 'stickier' tire. Improvements: - 'stickier' - Provides near neutral steering. This means that the bike doesn't tend to right itself in a corner, thus requires less effort to control. - Doesn't yank the bike upright when braking in a corner. All other tires I tried almost violently yanked the bike up here. - Almost removes all rear push effects. This means that instead of pushing the bike through a corner, the rear end now follows. This one feature is the main reason for the dramatic entry speed increase that this tire provides (and is the reason for the near-neutral steering). Transitions almost don't have to be planned - just do them. - ~15mph 'point of instability' increase. notes: I'm running higher tire pressures with the Battlaxe than I did with the ME's. Somewhere in here I appear to have gained ground clearance with the Battlaxe. I suspect that it is because my lines are smoother, but that doesn't account for the flat ~250 degree curves that I bumped up by ~10mph. Maybe sidewall profile??? Don't really know yet. In general the 10 mph increases I was seeing (overall) with the Battlaxe was with less peg- scraping. I was beginning to get more comfortable with the much higher entry speeds towards the end of the day, but it'll take a couple more runs before I'm back down on the pegs in those corners. My boot soles say I can get another 5 mph till I'm back on the pegs. What next? There are still two things that could use improvement. The forks still twist a lot - needs a fork brace. The bike still wants more weight on the front end when cornering. Dropping the frontend helped here, but I'm almost out of room up front. I've determined that for me, proper handlebar locations would be right where the clutch and brake levers now sit. Of course there's a little problem with lowering the bars. So I'm going to talk with a local guy about the possibility of hacking up plastic and still having it look decent... Another good aspect of dropping the bars is that my stock low windshield would finally become very effective. :^) There are reports that putting ST1100 front wheel covers on the PC provides more stability, but with my current setup, the bike is approaching terminal speeds when straight line stability starts becoming an issue so I don't think it's worth my pursuing. At this point I don't think there's a lot more that could be done to improve handling using available parts (without pulling out the torch). Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:31:06 -0400 From: DANCOTE@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Larger Backrest? To all: Since this is the second request in as many days, I decided to post the answer. On 10/16 Robert Marks writes: >I would love to get a larger backrest than the small one Honda provides. >What is it that you're using? I used the backrest portion of "Utopia's Built-In Driver Backrest" and mounted it using the Honda accessory backrest hardware. It's wider and taller than the Honda piece, has a small, quick-detach pouch and is a perfect color match for the stock seat. I don't know if the company is still in business but their particulars are: UTOPIA Seat Shop 643 Holmes Ave. Barberton, Ohio 44203 (216) 666-2602 If they are no longer in business, any decent auto upholstery shop should be able to modify the Honda backrest to your specs at a reasonable price. Dan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:26:24 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Roger Prince From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 10/12/95 07:50 ## Steve, how tall are you and what size Rifle did you get? You have a '89 and replaced the optional tall, right? Roger Roger, 5'3" w/o shoes on! I bought the tallest stock Rifle they sell w/o a premium for extra height. I believe it is 24" (whichever their tallest standard is) but for +$15 they go even taller. Feel free to call the 800 Rifle number to ask them which their tallest is. Delivery was about 2 weeks. Installation was a snap (I had a hard time seeing the screws to undo the "grill" on the air vent since I was in a shadow in the garage) Total install time was 2 hours because I went real slowly since it was my first time taking off the body panels, right mirror, etc. Do not get the tinted as at night it makes "short vision" (within 10' of the bike) very poor. stevea@sc.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:32:01 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Copy of: My first message on the net! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Dana L. Sawyer, 71430,340 TO: (Unknown), >internet:majordomo-owner@tcamc.uh.edu DATE: 10/11/95 1:22 PM RE: Copy of: My first message on the net! My name is Dana Sawyer. I live at 112 Bishopgate Road, Columbia SC 29212-1956, tel. 803/781-4293. I am the founder, past president, Executive Committe member and South Carolina state director for the Honda Sport Touring Association. I have a '90 PC with 60,000 miles. Modifications include an SOS headlight modulator, 80/55 headlight bulb, Corbin, seat, Saeng Stealth windscreen edging, SOS Priority Plus taillight modulator. I use Golden Spectro 10W/40; change oil, filter and final drive oil every 4,000 miles. Have original brake pads and linings, original battery. I keep a Battery Tender on it when not riding. We have nearly 100 PC owners within our HSTA mebmership of 1700+ members. Anyone interested, send me your name and address and I'll mail you a brochure/membership application! I'll be looking forward to hearing from you folks! Be careful out there...Dana GHow do you like the saeng edging? I have a Rifle tall wind shield. Do you have a personal e-mail address you can share with me? stevea@sc.edu '89 with Corbin seat, Rifle wind shield, backrest, CB, and LOTS of fun! Steve Anderson 200 Miller Road University of South Carolina Sumter Sumter SC 29150 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:34:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:34:55 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu wow and I thought they were just tires....what do I know? :>) still happy with my ML2Plus on the back, adn ML2 on the front..wheee still want a bmw... -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 16 12:12:41 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:12:17 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: BMW R1100RT >DEMO RIDES? WHAT'S THAT? The general attitude seems to >be, "Demos, demos, we don't do no stinkin' demos!" > >Life in the "Last Frontier." Cory, forgot to tell you that the Anchorage dealer will do demos on request, just hace to show them your m/c license. Of course, it's 6.5 hours away... (sigh) Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: Steering bearings Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:45:00 GMT To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Steering bearings damaged From: daniel.do@mogur.com DA> What are the symtons of the steering damage. Does the bike steer DA> straight? or must the handle bars be turned to stay on a straight DA> course? No problem here. DA> Does the bike steer straight and the steering head bearingsa are just DA> loose or rough? Rough. The steering is OK going straight, but it requires a Little more force steering off center. You can almost hear a click. It is like a groove right at the center, it is easy to steer into it, and harder to steer out of it. Maybe it is an undocumented feature, to help me in an emergency hands-off situation (i.e. zip up the jacket...) DA> Could be that the handel bars just need straightening (best case) or DA> could be that you have bent the tripple trucks or a fork tube. Let DA> us know what the problems are . The dealer did not mention tube or trucks bent. DA> I completely rebuilt the front end of my PC800 after a laydown on a DA> freeway entrance ramp in the wet. The tripple trucks need replacing DA> since the bike slid into a high curb and it was heavily loaded so the DA> front wheel took a hit. (wheel was OK, bearin\gs are now noisy and DA> need replacing. Hope you are OK after that incident. What would you do differently now? Thanks for the tips. Daniel. --- * SLMR 2.1a * All men are born equal. The tough job is to outgrow it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:48:53 -0400 From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Some Tire Prices/Availability List members: Just talked with "Joanie"(VERY friendly and helpful) at Competition Accessories in Ohio(thanks Waldo for this resource to the list). Inquired about the Metzler ML2(140/80/15). They list it currently at $119.46--BUT, have had it backordered from Metzler since JULY. Metzler is WAY behind in production--according to this source. The Battlaxe: Street Compound 120/70ZR17 is going for $79.94 and is readily available at this time. If anyone wants a catalog, call 1-800-543-4707 and one will be sent within 2-3 weeks. Thanks Kent for the great weekend report and tire performance synopsis! --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:28:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:32:54 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Saturday Ride Results -Reply Kent: I think you're report on your new tire combination was good. Soapbox on. But I thought you should just report 'em as you see 'em. Making the results comparitive just muddied the water. I understand and accept that you ride much more agressively than I do and take your recommendations with that in mind. Although I have never even scraped a peg, I am interested in your experiences at the edge of the envelope. I assume that like most of us, you are concerned with safety and the image of motorcycling in the eyes of the rest of the world. My advice is to not let those who might question you change your reporting. You might add a few more disclaimers and caveats (IMHO, YMMV, etc.) but don't try to hide the details from us. While it may appear that some of your comments generate 'much hand-wringing', remember that there are 80 or more subscribers and while you may get a response from one or two, there are many more who merely read and absorb. Yes we worry about your safety and those around you but ultimately, (as I'm sure you're aware) you are responsible for your own actions. I think most motorcyclists believe that motorcycling is inherently riskier than driving but accept that as part of the freedom and responsibility associated with riding. Do what you can to minimize the risks and enjoy the ride. Soapbox off. Thanks for the report. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:36:54 -0500 Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Some Tire Prices/Availability At 03:48 PM 10/16/95 -0400, you wrote: >List members: > >Just talked with "Joanie"(VERY friendly and helpful) at Competition >Accessories in Ohio(thanks Waldo for this resource to the list). Inquired >about the Metzler ML2(140/80/15). They list it currently at $119.46- Hi Gary, Not that it matters since availability is down but the ML2 (140/80/15) is listed by Competition Accessories in the November 95 issue of Rider magizine for $105.87. They would honor that price if you ask them to (if they had any tires). Chaparral (1-800-841-2960) has it listed for $98.97 in same publication. I just ordered one from Chaparral (they will not receive them until Oct 20th) Prices will be going up 15% November 15th according to the salesperson.. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:19:46 -0700 Subject: FW: '90 PC800 4sale in Washington I changed this guys oil at the beginning of the summer. The bike is mint under all the sitting-in-the-garage-dust. Hose it down and it will look showroom. email myself or markj@microsoft.com if you are interested for yourself or a buddy. -bryceu ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Mark Jennings To: SOC Motorcycle Group Subject: PC-800 For Sale Date: Monday, October 16, 1995 10:32AM Friend of mine is putting this in Micronews, but thought I'd let this group know in advance: 1990 Honda Pacific Coast 800 Purchased new in 1992 1500 miles Extended length windshield Maroon No damage, excellent overall condition Asking $4395 If you are not familiar with the breed, the PC-800 was Honda's new concept sport-tourer released in 1989. Great "trunk" under the seat that can store two full-faced helmets. Some people call it a "scooter on steriods" but nothing is smoother or easier to ride. It rides like my ST-1100 with a less power. Email me (small r) and I'll forward your interest. - Mark with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:33:43 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:30:39 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: BMW R1100RT -Reply well Seattle has the Mariners; therefore, anything is possible there (no matter what the Texans or the Alaskans say about who has biggest or bestest ::) The real banana belt is here in the Northwest! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:20:42 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Banana >At 04:30 PM 10/16/95 -0700, you wrote: >well Seattle has the Mariners; therefore, anything is possible there (no matter what >the Texans or the Alaskans say about who has biggest or bestest ::) > The real banana belt is here in the Northwest! Is that why they call Washington the "Chiquita" State? : - ) (Not sure what got this started, but what the heck). ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:50:36 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:47:27 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Banana -Reply was the non offer of demo rides to Alaskans and the tire survey from Texas (or somewhere in the dessert which all belongs to Texas and not Alaska) AND the growing group of PCs in the Northwest. Now if you really want to get serious: I started driving via 2 wheels an a Vespa in 1958 and have been using 2 as primary transport most of my life. Raced a new 1965 BSA Hornet in open class AMA while training to be a Marine helicopter pilot. Anyway, my current ride is a 91 XR250L (good cheap dependable in town beat the traffic go getter) Want to talk about dragging foot pegs, Kent? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: cbesch@ix.netcom.com, danny.lane@techtips.com, ey@forum.swarthmore.edu, frank@histparl.lon.ac.uk, garywotr@aol.com, gord@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA, grady@ICSI.Net, JeffHO@aol.com, JFMinyard@aol.com, joem409970@aol.com, korbel1@llnl.gov, larrycol@ix.netcom.com, mattc@balu.sps.mot.com, MoreRice@aol.com, mrhyde@netcom.com, glsmith%koess.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com, m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org, tekbspa!ramin@tss.com, nthompso@aol.com, paledet@cln.etc.bc.ca, pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk, peahat@grove.ufl.EDU, pquinn@ecst.csuchico.edu, Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM, selby@alf.dec.com, sfarrow@radford.com, steven.smith@inforail.com, stucky@twg.com, thompson@boba.mayo.edu, Tj3768@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 17:43:46 TZ Subject: RE: PC800 Questions on EBC brake pads I'd have to look up the part numbers but I got their "black" street grade pads/shoes for the front and rear. They sell other grades (green for racing, etc) and just went with basic and didn't make the mail order guy look too hard for my bike. Installation was super easy on the front -- witht the front wheel off the pads will almost fall into your hands. The rear drum was really dirty and I took the time to clean everything up and relube the pivot points, spline, etc. First time through took my hours mostly 'cause I was so curious and tried to clean everyting as I went. I'd say net time I could do the front and rear in 45 minutes each working just myself with handtools. Oh yea change the brake fluid regularly. I might start doing it with each oil change as I notice such a difference and the stuff is fairly cheap. Just got back from a 2800 mile fall tour fully loaded 2-up and I'm VERY pleased with the new brakes. Can't say it's the brand or not but will say it's better than stock. More details soon on the trip. -bryceu ---------- | From: | To: | Date: Wednesday, October 11, 1995 6:18AM | | heel bearings | | In a message dated 95-09-27 08:57:17 EDT, bryceu@microsoft.com (Bryce Ulrich) | writes: | | >I put on new EBCbrake pads front and rear | | Bryce, | | Which EBC pads did you use? While my wife's bike is new, I have been toying | with the idea of putting on new pads since the stock brakes are one of the | weakest points on the PC 800 IMHO. | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 18:22:29 TZ Subject: Let's relax! was Banana -Reply Sheesh! I go away from 2 weeks and suddenly there's all this squabbling going on. Ack! Looks like cabin fever and cool air is getting to everyone but those way down south. Perhaps some are in the spirit of things. How about a trip report of a 2 week tour to cheer everyone up? Considering the urgency I'll try to get it done by the end of the week and let you all know what fall looks like at Glacier, Yellowstone, and Teton National Parks from the saddle of a PC. Hint; White as snow. 1100 email message so there's a little work to be done first, followed by unpacking, etc. My campstove was still in the trunk when I loaded up for the commute to work today. BTW: I'm in favor of calling the Seattle folks along the lines of "slug bait", "rain-city riders" etc. Crumb I may have started something. \"/ 2nd BTW: Guess which messages I tried to read first? With other 250 motorcycle messages I thought that would be a good place to start. I actually enjoyed the debate ot peg dragging vs. non peg-gragging and all. And after all the other messages I decided I must be one of the younger people on the alias at 27 y.o.a. Anyone lower? Maybe I should pool some membership stats -- oldest, youngest, year ridden, most oil changes/tires in a year. If you feel extreme I guess send it my way and I'll start a few PC800 membership facts list. 2nd \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------- | From: Jerry Kidby | To: | Subject: Banana -Reply | Date: Monday, October 16, 1995 5:47PM | | was the non offer of demo rides to Alaskans | and the tire survey from Texas (or somewhere in the dessert | which all belongs to Texas and not Alaska) | AND the growing group of PCs in the Northwest. | | Now if you really want to get serious: | I started driving via 2 wheels an a Vespa in 1958 | and have been using 2 as primary transport most of my life. | Raced a new 1965 BSA Hornet in open class AMA while | training to be a Marine helicopter pilot. | | Anyway, my current ride is a 91 XR250L (good cheap | dependable in town beat the traffic go getter) | Want to talk about dragging foot pegs, Kent? | with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:50:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:46:57 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Let's relax! was Banana -Reply -Reply I lurk here cause I like it here - just have to jump in and let y'all know the facts from my own stand point. Forgot the smileys on my last note about pegs (mine aren't scratched yet - cant quite get them down to the ground ) (--) I do drive on 2 wheels every day. The PC is my choice over the XR250L for riding in the snow - believe it or not. I have driven both in the white stuff and do feel better on the PC when the road gets schushy, kinda like a motorized bobsled! (----) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Let's relax! was Banana -Reply Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:47:52 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "BU" == Bryce Ulrich writes: BU> Sheesh! I go away from 2 weeks and suddenly there's all this BU> squabbling going on. Ack! What did you expect? With the riding season just now ending for a few underprivileged readers they have to moan about something. BU> Looks like cabin fever and cool air is getting to everyone but those BU> way down south. Yep. It's finally been cool enough to ride without sweat. Not that I haven't been riding all summer, though. BU> And after all the other messages I decided I must be one of the younger BU> people on the alias at 27 y.o.a. Anyone lower? Hehe. I'm 25. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from Neill Thompson ) (at Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:32:54 -0700) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:56:26 Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in on Oct 16 you wrote: > I think you're report on your new tire combination was good. [...] > But I thought you should just report 'em as you see 'em. Making the > results comparitive just muddied the water. I understand and accept that [...] > hand-wringing', remember that there are 80 or more subscribers and > while you may get a response from one or two, there are many more > who merely read and absorb. Yes we worry about your safety and [...] > Soapbox off. Thanks for the report. Thanks for the reply. I don't get much feedback except from those complaining about my posts (including email), so I was about to call it quits with this maillist. Had about figured that noone but me was that interested in getting a PC up to normal handling standards and that maybe it wasn't worth the effort. But I have appreciated your contributions and so will continue when appropriate. If you have suggestions for reformatting the type of info I provided for the future, I'll be glad to accept them. I'm really no wannabe-racer and I'm not race-quality (reflexes are too old/slow :^) But I do admit to getting a chuckle out of taking the PC with a passenger smoother and faster than probably 75% of most sportbike riders riding single. Just like this weekend, I get comments from new friends like "Well, I'm never gonna degrade a PC800 again... Maybe the rider, but not the bike." So I think I'm doing my part to extinguish the perception of the PC as a 'scooter on steroids' even though I am probably one of the first to poke fun at it. What I didn't mention about the ride was that it was done during part of our tx.motorcycles 'DaleFest'. Usually twice a year we get together for the weekend, go riding and swap stories in the old biker tradition. We ride where we feel comfortable and ride leaders/sweeps try to make sure that noone feels pushed to do any more than what they are comfortable with. At the stops we rest and talk tires/suspensions and methods. And usually end up doing a group tinker on someone's ride. Somehow I almost always end up at ride leader even though I really don't like to do it that much. For the first time in about 6 Fests, I managed to get myself posted as sweep instead of lead, and before half the day was done I was pushed back to the front again. :^( We had great fun even though we 'lost' one bike to a defective tire and another to (probably) a clogged main jet. It was a fabulous day for riding, near perfect weather. And even though the bike repairs set our lunch stop clear back to 5pm, noone complained and we even had one table singing 'George Of the Jungle' at the top of our lungs. :^) (There's some kind of relationship between bikers and 'George'...) Somehow we manage to get all kinds of motorcyclists, from Harley riders to GW riders to real racers and everything in between all together for lots of fun and chats. And I really needed the break from work :^) And man do I love that Battlaxe. :^) :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Some Tire Prices/Availability (from GaryWOTR@aol.com) (at Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:48:53 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 23:04:15 Hi GaryWOTR (GaryWOTR), in <951016154852_74561184@emout04.mail.aol.com> on Oct 16 you wrote: > Just talked with "Joanie"(VERY friendly and helpful) at Competition [...] > have had it backordered from Metzler since JULY. Metzler is WAY behind in > production--according to this source. The Battlaxe: Street Compound Correct. The Metzeler backlog is well-know in several groups. I have several friends who ride BMW's and many R-bike riders like the Metzelers. The story is that a major supplier (of something to do with tires) was lost in the Kobye (sp) earthquake and rumors go on to say that since Metzeler makes more profit off their tires in Europe, they are filling orders there first. At the BMW nat. rally in Colorado a couple of months ago ME took a supply of tires and were busy selling them until they ran out. > Thanks Kent for the great weekend report and tire performance synopsis! Thank you for checking the tire prices! Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 21:29:48 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 21:26:32 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply -Reply after reading this list and compiling my wanta haves from the totalled experience shared I am amased to hear the main tire tester say he was about up to his neck with it. Oh well, you have me about ready to buy a Battleax or 2 - keep up the good work Kent it is appreciated. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:23:34 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:23:34 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: BMW R1100RT Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu actually..I've never gotten the Honda guy to do a demo ride...just the BMW one...maybe they have better insurance :>) -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 17 00:24:13 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:24:08 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:24:08 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: age hey..EVERYONE...check to make sure the CC thing is NOT checked..the mailboxes are getting filled with duplicates!!!! I'm 36..btw....and still drooling at the BMW....althoght...I saw the new Cobalt Blue Goldwing today...mmmmm -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 17 00:41:27 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:13:36 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Re: Welcome to pc800 Okay, I'll give it a shot following this reply. Please let me know if you get it. I'll send it out as TEST MESSAGE. Thanks, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/14/95 4:15 PM In a message dated 95-10-14 17:09:57 EDT, RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) writes: >From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) >Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > > I have been able to post to this list by responding to someone else's > message, but I have had no luck in sending direct to the list. Could > someone tell me what address I should be sending the direct mail to, > just in case I am using the wrong one? > Rusty, The Reply To: address in the quoted part of your message above should do it just fine. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 22:12:05 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: BMW R1100RT Would you expect less from a bike that cost TWICE as much as the PC? Rusty rjackson@symantec.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: BMW R1100RT Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/14/95 4:15 PM oh-my-god I went to the BMW place in seattle today...they had a demo...he insisted, even after I told him I couldn't afford it..didn't matter, he said..go have fun...that's why we have it! so...I did...my-oh-my gang...I love my PC...lots...HOWEVER... BMW took the PC, ST1100, and big BWM and morphed it into the finest machine I've ever ridden...it's 35 lbs heavier than the PC, but feels TONS lighter. Nimble, quick, light as a feather to move thru twisties..The power/torque/smoothness is incredible...I hit 80 in the interstate and didn't even know it... the only neg I found was that the handlebars were a little to scrunched feeling, and there's that sideways flywheel thing that ALL BMW Boxer twins have...after 30 minutes of riding, I was already accustomed to it.. now.. where's that checkbook? :>) ******************** Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:54:45 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:54:45 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: BMW R1100RT Hey! you guys are my witnesses! I go out of town for a coupla days, and MY OWN BROTHER starts goin' on test rides without me! >oh-my-god > >I went to the BMW place in seattle today...they had a demo...he insisted, >even after I told him I couldn't afford it..didn't matter, he said..go have >fun...that's why we have it! ** message deleted** >now.. > >where's that checkbook? :>) > > > >******************** >Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog >"It's gotta groove..." >(dkgross@halcyon.com) *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Oct 95 08:22:37 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: PC8000 Facelift I made two cosmetic changes that I think improved the looks of my PC. I did not like the appearance of the "appliance" Honda decals on the fairing, so I removed them (using a hair dryer, of course.) I put the gas tank decals for a red ST-1100 on my fake gas tank, and I think that they look super! I put one of the "Pacific Coast" decals as on the side of the trunk in the middle of the lower panel on the rear of the trunk. It adds a bit to the plain appearance of the rear trunk area. I wish that Honda would have put a high level brake light in that upper center area of the trunk! Oh, well. Y'all be careful out there! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:50:43 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: BMW R1100RT At 11:54 PM 10/16/95 -0700, you wrote: >Hey! you guys are my witnesses! I go out of town for a coupla days, and MY >OWN BROTHER starts goin' on test rides without me! Are you kidding me? It is probably the *only* time that I would go for a test ride. He He : - ) Of course, his driving record has nothing to do with it, noooo... ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:26:08 -0400 From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: age 49 years plus(50 in 2/1/96) and still very much in love/lust with my '94 PC800. It just went over the 12,200 mile mark with the stock K555 Dunlops. Still have plenty of tread--prob. good for another couple of thousand miles. Then I'll go with the new brand configurations re: Kent's experience. --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:50:17 PST From: "Russell Jackson" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[3]: Re: Welcome to pc800 Now I see my reply, but I don't the see the message I tried to send directly. This is really strange. I sent the message to the address you told me to. Maybe it is something in our mail system. I'll try sending one from Compuserve and see what happens. Rusty rjackson@symantec.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re[2]: Re: Welcome to pc800 Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/16/95 11:03 PM Thanks, Rusty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 Author: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu at INTERNET Date: 10/14/95 4:15 PM In a message dated 95-10-14 17:09:57 EDT, RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) writes: >From: RJackson@symantec.com (Russell Jackson) >Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > > I have been able to post to this list by responding to someone else's > message, but I have had no luck in sending direct to the list. Could > someone tell me what address I should be sending the direct mail to, > just in case I am using the wrong one? > Rusty, The Reply To: address in the quoted part of your message above should do it just fine. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 17 Oct 95 15:37:13 EDT From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: pc800 Subject: Test from Compuserve This is a test message from Russell Jackson (rjackson@symantec.com) to see if I can see my own mail if I mail it from here. Rusty with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:02:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:06:29 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Test from Compuserve -Reply This is better. Your other stuff, however interesting, was wierdly handled by the system. with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:13 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:11:40 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Web stuff I've found that that both Corbin and Rifle have web pages. Maybe you all knew this but I just found them today. The Rifle page has a picture of a PC (with a Rifle windshied of course)! The URLs are: http://www.rifle.com/rifle/pc800.html http://www.corbin.com/corbin.html I am adding these links to the PC800 web page. I hope to have a new edition up before I go on vacation in less than 2 weeks. An contributions are appreciated but if you want to get them in the next release, do it soon! I have gotten some new pictures (thanks Michael and Dave!) and I would like to put a nail in a piece I've been working on on tires if it would just stop moving for a second. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:52:51 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:52:51 -0700 To: thompson@trglink.com From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Web stuff Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu for some bizzare reason, I've lost the URL for the web page..DOH.. please resend...looking forward to seeing the photos.. don't suppose there's an html link to the bmw page... :>) -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 17 23:52:54 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: age Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:52:51 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "DG" == David Gross writes: DG> hey..EVERYONE...check to make sure the CC thing is NOT checked..the DG> mailboxes are getting filled with duplicates!!!! Actually we had a problem with a cc:Mail gateway barfing back to the list. My machine and it then proceeded to pukeswap for about 107 messages. I happened to log in to check for new traffic in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.orientals and found all of this spew in my box. This is an interesting problem: I usually disallow cc:Mail gateways and anyone running Pegasus mail from my lists because they don't follow Internet standards. For you this means they send bounces back to the list and not the list owner. In our case, though, if I follow this policy strictly Cory gets cut out. He says that Juan can forward interesting stuff to him but that's not really fair. Any comments? Oh, and Dave, I occasionally get a User Unknown bounce from your address, too. DG> I'm 36..btw....and still drooling at the BMW....althoght...I saw the DG> new Cobalt Blue Goldwing today...mmmmm And the Triumph Trophy. Man, there are some nice bikes out there. Then again, given the same level of experience I had (0) and the same amount of cash I still think I'd buy a PC. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:17:15 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> I don't get much feedback except from those complaining about my posts KP> (including email), so I was about to call it quits with this maillist. I think everyone likes to read and file away the stuff they like and complain about the stuff they don't. That's just human nature. KP> Had about figured that noone but me was that interested in getting a PC KP> up to normal handling standards and that maybe it wasn't worth the KP> effort. Well, the standard route is to sell the PC and buy an ST. There are several past list members who have done this. Me, I'd love to add some balls to my machine. I think I'm getting experienced enough that I can push it a bit. Getting something besides that crap K555 rear helps too. Unfortunately I think the bike's pushing back, but I honestly can't say that I know enough about things to tell. Here's the situation: To work and back I get to ride the slab and have to go through some pretty huge interchanges. They have nice sweeping turns and usually have little enough traffic that I can haul if I like to. I usually take them at about 60-70mph. I also take a road way out of town to get to a friend's house that's like a snake, just turn after turn. It also has regions that are made out of brick instead of concrete and it has sprinklers all over it. (It's supposed to be a scenic drive or something.) Now these roads aren't completely flat; they have various humps and such. And when I hit them at speed the bike feels like it has a big hinge in the middle; sometimes it tries to stand up and sometimes it feels as if the front is diving. The rear steps out occasionally, too. This is, to understate the issue, interesting. Now the question: am I pushing the bike, or myself. I know there's not much to adjust; I have the stock fork oil and the stock rear shock with the preload set at 2 (I only weigh 120). I'd love to make some mods but I really don't have the experience, nor can I tolerate downtime as the bike's the only way I get around. KP> What I didn't mention about the ride was that it was done during part KP> of our tx.motorcycles 'DaleFest'. Yeah, Kent, I and a couple of riding buddies would have done Dalefest but I don't think we're up to the company. I mean, I don't think we could keep up with anyone there. One guy is really green and has a Nighthawk 650, the other has a '94 PC just like mine. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:00:50 -0500 Wed, 18 Oct 1995 7:59:06 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Web stuff At 05:11 PM 10/17/95 -0700, you wrote: I have gotten some new pictures (thanks Michael and Dave!) and I >would like to put a nail in a piece I've been working on on tires if it would >just stop moving for a second. Neill, I must apoligize but I have missed the process of sumitting pictures. Could you repeat. Thanks Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Back to "Age" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:09:47 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill I'm 41 (going on 20 if you ask my family!). Have an '89 that I've owned for 1 month and put about 3,300 miles on her. REALLY like the bike! -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:17:15 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:56:24 Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9510180517.AA15847@hpc.uh.edu> on Oct 18 you wrote: > > To work and back I get to ride the slab and have to go through some pretty [...] > completely flat; they have various humps and such. And when I hit them at > speed the bike feels like it has a big hinge in the middle; sometimes it > tries to stand up and sometimes it feels as if the front is diving. The > rear steps out occasionally, too. This is, to understate the issue, > interesting. > > Now the question: am I pushing the bike, or myself. I know there's not > much to adjust; I have the stock fork oil and the stock rear shock with the > preload set at 2 (I only weigh 120). I'd love to make some mods but I > really don't have the experience, nor can I tolerate downtime as the bike's > the only way I get around. I forgot to mention in my writeup that I use 15wt fork oil. :^( The challenge to suspensions is that you want them to react when they they encounter road surface variations, but you want them to remain stiff when the road surface is smooth. Moly-frame Go-karts come about as close to a perfect suspension as is currently possible :^( The reason you want progressive-rate springs is to handle minor surface difficulties, which are mormally over with quickly and typically don't require much spring travel, with a 'weak' spring rate. When you encounter something more substantial such as a big dip or curve which loads the springs much more, you want a stiff spring rate. Heavier fork oil results in a slower shock absorbing reaction time, thus preventing either too quick a compression or rebound reaction, which can turn into a bounce. The result of these changes is a front-end which can handle minor surface problems a tiny bit better since the rebound is lessened, and larger challenges such as curves *much* better. Not to mention that since the forks don't compress so far you increase your ground clearance in a curve. At this point (and with some decent tires) the bike might handle good enough for you, and I'd say to start with this after the tires. If you hit a dip in the road while leaned over, you will now experience the Slinky Trunk (tm) Effect. This is where the rearend of the bike begans to think it's a spring constrained at one end. :^) The trunk literally bounces in somewhat of a 'V' shaped pattern, yanking on the bike every time it hits the top of the 'V'. This is caused primarily because the PC's rear shocks essentially have *no* rebound damping. This situation is fairly typical of non-sportbikes and is the primary reason for the existence of aftermarket shocks. This effect can be actually quite dangerous as it can yank the bike out from under you and highside you fairly easily. It is also the primary hurdle the PC must overcome before you can push the suspension. With out a stable rearend, you can't really anticipate where the bike will end up when things come loose. The PC is much worse in this regard than any bike I have ever ridden. > KP> What I didn't mention about the ride was that it was done during part > KP> of our tx.motorcycles 'DaleFest'. > > Yeah, Kent, I and a couple of riding buddies would have done Dalefest but I > don't think we're up to the company. I mean, I don't think we could keep > up with anyone there. One guy is really green and has a Nighthawk 650, the > other has a '94 PC just like mine. Please don't ever let that stop you. :^) We always have a large contingent from A&M for the Fests. Often they are fairly 'green' riders who have to take things slower. We go out of our way to explain that you alone are responsible for how you ride and what happens to you. We used to have two groups - a slow one and a fast one. We tended to get green riders in the fast group when they shouldn't have been, so we dropped it and just ride one group and stop about every 15-25 miles in the twisties to let them catch up and not feel pressured to go any faster than they want to. Also, the fast riders don't go fast all the time. :^) We also encourage peole to go on 'unescorted' rides if they aren't comfortable with group ride. Bring along your copy of 'Roads of Texas' and we'll point out where/what/why and suggest routes. The group ride exists mainly because most people don't know the area well and want someone to 'show' where to go and to have fun as a group. It's not viewed as a chance to show off to your buddies, etc. It also provides a lot of opportunities for some good-humored ridicule on tx.moto after the ride. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:24:52 -0500 Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply At 09:56 AM 10/18/95 +0000, you wrote: This is caused primarily because the PC's rear shocks essentially have *no* rebound damping. >This situation is fairly typical of non-sportbikes and is the primary >reason for the existence of aftermarket shocks. Hi Kent, In your opinion what is the best available after market rear shock for the PC and approximate cost? Has anyone thought of trying a left hand ajustable shock on the right also or is this a possible? Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Oct 1995 09:04:52 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu RE>>PC800: Saturday Ride Results -Reply 10/18/95 Hello Kent, thanks for your intelligent discussion of the suspension shortcomings of PC800 (Just the past weekend I rode ST1100 and I realized the difference in the bike set-up). Now the question: What do you recommend to improve this situation. Heavier oil in the front fork, I guess, what weight? Aftermarket suspension for the back - again I guess something like "Performance Company". I would welcome your specific recommendations. (BTW sometimes when I read here postings about radios, TVs, CBs, Airconditioners, Phones, FAXes, and all the other junk some people want to put on a motorcycle I want to sign off this group. Then I read the discussion about tires, suspension, windshields, and I am glad I participate. Don't flame me, after 35 years on motorcycles from 50 cc to 1200 cc, I am probably too set in my ways. ) George -------------------------------------- Kent wrote: The reason you want progressive-rate springs is to handle minor surface difficulties, which are mormally over with quickly and typically don't require much spring travel, with a 'weak' spring rate. When you encounter something more substantial such as a big dip or curve which loads the springs much more, you want a stiff spring rate. Heavier fork oil results in a slower shock absorbing reaction time, thus preventing either too quick a compression or rebound reaction, which can turn into a bounce. The result of these changes is a front-end which can handle minor surface problems a tiny bit better since the rebound is lessened, and larger challenges such as curves *much* better. Not to mention that since the forks don't compress so far you increase your ground clearance in a curve. At this point (and with some decent tires) the bike might handle good enough for you, and I'd say to start with this after the tires. If you hit a dip in the road while leaned over, you will now experience the Slinky Trunk (tm) Effect. This is where the rearend of the bike begans to think it's a spring constrained at one end. :^) The trunk literally bounces in somewhat of a 'V' shaped pattern, yanking on the bike every time it hits the top of the 'V'. This is caused primarily because the PC's rear shocks essentially have *no* rebound damping. This situation is fairly typical of non-sportbikes and is the primary reason for the existence of aftermarket shocks. This effect can be actually quite dangerous as it can yank the bike out from under you and highside you fairly easily. It is also the primary hurdle the PC must overcome before you can push the suspension. With out a stable rearend, you can't really anticipate where the bike will end up when things come loose. The PC is much worse in this regard than any bike I have ever ridden. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 18 Oct 1995 09:58:09 -0500 (CDT) 18 Oct 1995 09:57:48 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:56:24 +0000 From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:17:15 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from "Waldo E. Meeks" ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:24:52 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:23:08 Hi Waldo (Waldo E. Meeks), in <9510181524.AA24795@hpc.uh.edu> on Oct 18 you wrote: > Hi Kent, > > In your opinion what is the best available after market rear shock for the > PC and approximate cost? As far as I know, Works Performance is the only company who makes shocks for the PC. | GSMcQueen (GSMcQueen), in <941206184446_7364007@aol.com> on Dec 06 wrote: | > While at the Denver International Show I found some information on some | > of the items that we have been looking/talking about. [...] | > Suspension: Works Performance Products Inc.,8730 Shirley Ave., | > Northridge, CA, 91324 phone 818.701.1010, fax 818.701.9043 The owner has | > a PC800. They suggest their steel bodied trackers for PC's as they do not | > show anyway. Kent are these what you have??? They custom valve & spring | > them based on your weight, passenger weight, and riding style. They also | > have fork springs. I didn't get the progressive rate fork springs from Works. I think that GSMcQueen mentioned in his posting that Works was coming out with an adjustable rear shock. Don't know anything personally about it, but if it is offerred, I'd take it over the fixed one. I think I paid about $350 for mine, but that was 3 years ago... > Has anyone thought of trying a left hand ajustable shock on the right also > or is this a possible? The stock Honda shocks (IMHO) aren't worth messing with. Go get some real shocks with rebound damping. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:25:19 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: age >This is an interesting problem: I usually disallow cc:Mail gateways and >anyone running Pegasus mail from my lists because they don't follow >Internet standards. Thanks for the warning Jason, I was considering switching to Pegasus, but now I think I'll stick to Eudora Light. Version 1.5.2 seems to be working rather nicely. > He says that Juan can forward interesting >stuff to him but that's not really fair. Any comments? I have no problem doing this, but I agree, unfair. >Oh, and Dave, I occasionally get a User Unknown bounce from your address, >too. I've received returned messages from Roger Prince (while sending to the listserv), any ideas? >And the Triumph Trophy. Man, there are some nice bikes out there. Then Yes! That new Trophy is *nice*! >again, given the same level of experience I had (0) and the same amount of >cash I still think I'd buy a PC. That or an ST. Fish or cut bait, fish or cut bait... Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re (from George Korbel ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:04:52 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:26:19 Hi George (George Korbel), in on Oct 18 you wrote: > Now the question: What do you recommend to improve this situation. Heavier > oil in the front fork, I guess, what weight? Aftermarket suspension for the > back - again I guess something like "Performance Company". I'd say go with progressive-rate fork springs and 15wt oil first. That's the cheapest way to improve things pretty fast after getting decent tires. I have no idea where I got my fork springs... :^( Didn't keep records and would have to research. That one posting mentioned that Works may have something. In the meantime I'll see if I can locate what I used. Don't hold your breath. :^0 Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:33:46 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:38:25 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Web stuff -Reply The URL for the PC800 web page is: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html I am planning to add the following text to the "Disclaimer, how to submit to this page, and revision history", section. Is this OK Jason? If you wish to contribute to the Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) Motorcycle Web Page, you may ftp files to sina.tcamc.uh.edu in /pub/incoming/pc800. Then advise Jason (tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu) and he will move them to a more permanant location and then he will notify me and I'll get them from there and add them to the page. It's kind of round about but then, you get what you pay for! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Oct 1995 09:58:19 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- Satur To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re Thanks for your response, Kent. If and when (I know you are building a house) you get to your records the details will be appreciated. Here in CA is still 85-90 degrees ao I am not ready to fiddle with the bike yet. December - maybe. Since you mentioned tires. I have Metzler's ML2 120/80-17 up-front, Metzler's Marathon 88 140/90 - 15 back. I am extremely happy with this combination; have about 8K miles on them and expect many (?) more thousand miles. Good wear and good adhesion. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10/18/95 9:36 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi George (George Korbel), in on Oct 18 you wrote: > Now the question: What do you recommend to improve this situation. Heavier > oil in the front fork, I guess, what weight? Aftermarket suspension for the > back - again I guess something like "Performance Company". I'd say go with progressive-rate fork springs and 15wt oil first. That's the cheapest way to improve things pretty fast after getting decent tires. I have no idea where I got my fork springs... :^( Didn't keep records and would have to research. That one posting mentioned that Works may have something. In the meantime I'll see if I can locate what I used. Don't hold your breath. :^0 Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 18 Oct 1995 11:27:57 -0500 (CDT) 18 Oct 1995 11:27:43 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:26:19 +0000 From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re (from George Korbel ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:04:52 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:34:00 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply >Now the question: am I pushing the bike, or myself. I know there's not >much to adjust; I have the stock fork oil and the stock rear shock with the >preload set at 2 (I only weigh 120). I'd love to make some mods but I >really don't have the experience, nor can I tolerate downtime as the bike's >the only way I get around. Jason, I believe IMHO ( and I think Kent will agree with this one) that the best improvement you can do to your bike is to improve *yourself*. Don't know if you have taken an MSF course, but if you haven't I highly recommend it. Beyond that, a riding and/or racing school would be my next choice. I think most bikes out there are more capable than their riders (mine included). Once youv'e learned to really take your bike to the limit then you will be in a better position to determine what exactly do you need to improve your ride. Enjoy! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Oct 1995 10:54:55 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: Saturday Ride Results -Reply I have just talked with Tim as Work performance about shock for PC800. 1. Company moved, same phone number 2. Not very familiar with PC800 3. They are making a "pair " of shocks for PC, steel $289, aluminum (aircraft type) for $349; you have to install yourself. Delivery 3-4 weeks. It is customized based on your weight. 4. He is sending me more info by mail. When I get their info I'll post it here. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10/18/95 10:18 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu As far as I know, Works Performance is the only company who makes shocks for the PC. | GSMcQueen (GSMcQueen), in <941206184446_7364007@aol.com> on Dec 06 wrote: | > While at the Denver International Show I found some information on some | > of the items that we have been looking/talking about. [...] | > Suspension: Works Performance Products Inc.,8730 Shirley Ave., | > Northridge, CA, 91324 phone 818.701.1010, fax 818.701.9043 The owner has | > a PC800. They suggest their steel bodied trackers for PC's as they do not | > show anyway. Kent are these what you have??? They custom valve & spring | > them based on your weight, passenger weight, and riding style. They also | > have fork springs. I didn't get the progressive rate fork springs from Works. I think that GSMcQueen mentioned in his posting that Works was coming out with an adjustable rear shock. Don't know anything personally about it, but if it is offerred, I'd take it over the fixed one. I think I paid about $350 for mine, but that was 3 years ago... > Has anyone thought of trying a left hand ajustable shock on the right also > or is this a possible? The stock Honda shocks (IMHO) aren't worth messing with. Go get some real shocks with rebound damping. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 18 Oct 1995 11:25:23 -0500 (CDT) 18 Oct 1995 11:24:33 -0500 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:23:08 +0000 From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from "Waldo E. Meeks" ) (at Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:24:52 -0500) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:15:01 -0500 Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:13:15 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- Satur At 09:58 AM 10/18/95 -0800, you wrote: >Marathon 88 140/90 - 15 back. Hi George, This is the first time I have heard of using a 90 series tire on the back of a PC. Do you recomend it over the 80 series? Is clearance, height etc all ok with this tire? Has anyone used a 90 series on the front? Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:51:07 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- Re- P To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>>PC800: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- Satur Hi Waldo, I have had also questioned the choice when it was recommended. Now I love it, although my mileage, and the speedometer readings, went down 4% (logically). The was absolutely no problem with the clearance. Yes I would recommend it because it is much much better than the original Dunlop; on the other hand there may be other tires/sizes which are even better than this and unfortunately I am not familiar with them. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10/18/95 11:19 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu At 09:58 AM 10/18/95 -0800, you wrote: >Marathon 88 140/90 - 15 back. Hi George, This is the first time I have heard of using a 90 series tire on the back of a PC. Do you recomend it over the 80 series? Is clearance, height etc all ok with this tire? Has anyone used a 90 series on the front? Waldo GSU ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 18 Oct 1995 13:16:27 -0500 (CDT) 18 Oct 1995 13:15:04 -0500 18 Oct 1995 14:13:15 -0400 (EDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:15:01 -0500 From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Re- PC800- Satur To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:42:28 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:42:28 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Re: PC800- Saturday Ride Re Saw a guy in SF this weekend. 285 watts per channel stereo, 6 cd-changer in the trunk. Go figure. Me, I _like_ the quiet..... >(BTW sometimes when I read here postings about radios, TVs, CBs, >Airconditioners, Phones, FAXes, and all the other junk some people want to put >on a motorcycle I want to sign off this group. > >Then I read the discussion about tires, suspension, windshields, and I am glad >I participate. >George *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 17:02:36 CDT From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results On Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:34:55 -0700 you wrote: >wow > >and I thought they were just tires....what do I know? :>) > >still happy with my ML2Plus on the back, adn ML2 on the front..wheee What collection of weights do your ML2s require to balance them? -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:17:54 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:17:54 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: tire weights um...err...I haven't got a clue...any idea, bryce? I had them installed at Seattle Cycle Center..I just ride...don't work on it.. quite inept at anything more than washing the windsheild :>) -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 03:12:15 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Re: tire weights To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:08:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mskeller@ion1.ionet.net (Michael S Keller) > um...err...I haven't got a clue...any idea, bryce? I had them installed > at Seattle Cycle Center..I just ride...don't work on it.. quite inept at > anything more than washing the windsheild :>) When we went into my favorite Honda deealer Tuesday, the parts manager didn't directly try to steer me away from Metzeler, but did comment on seeing more than one Metzeler tire with a large collection of weights to balance it. He said it had to do with how Metzeler overlapped the ends of the plys. He is not one to steer us toward something because of his profit potential. As frequent customers and HRCA members, he gives us a nice discount. I haven't gotten a new tire for my GL1500 yet, but it will need a new front one soon. It has a K491 on it now and will likely again, given Metzeler's problem filling the backlog. Ruby's PC will have a new K177F Saturday because of the availability issue with the ML2s (and she's now wary of them because of the need for so much weight to balance what the service manager saw). -Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Rubber mounting footpegs? To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: mskeller@ion1.ionet.net (Michael S Keller) Has anyone played with rubber mounting footpegs on any bike (with particular attention to the PC800)? I'm still working out how to make the PC a comfortable-enough ride for me and it appears that vibration in the pegs is the biggest drawback. Does anyone have a "best approach" to recommend for providing some isolation for the rider pegs? The bolts do require a fair amount of torque on them (I looked at the service manual just a few hours ago but don't recall the exact figure. It's in the 45-55 ft-lb range). I don't know how that would play into the issue. My mental picture says put a rubber washer with two metal washers on either side of it between the peg and its mounting plate. Am I way off base? -Michael ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 04:28:54 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results Hi Kent: Interesting info on the results of your informal tire testing. Thanks. Given all of the manufacturers' warnings against mixing radial and bias tires, I suspect that your results would surprise them a bit. The Bridgestone tech guy I talked with recently said all of their test of similar configurations simply didn't work very well at all. However, they didn't try it on a PC. I have a few of questions: You list entry speeds for each of the tire combos. The standard meaning for "entry speed" is your speed when you apply the steering pressure to initiate the lean. Are you using the term this way? Are there similar relationships for the exit speeds? How did you arrive at the tire pressures you ran in each tire? Have you tried other tire pressures? You state your goal as "getting a PC up to normal handling standards." What standards are you using as "normal?" I find my PC to be one of the best handling 600-lb+ motorcycles I've ever ridden, and I've ridden most of them. It certainly will never handle like a 250cc GP bike or a Duc 916, given the laws of mechanics. So, what are your expectations? How will you know when you've either succeeded or failed in your quest? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:03:42 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply In a message dated 95-10-18 23:17:55 EDT, Juan wrote: >Jason, I believe IMHO ( and I think Kent will agree with this one) that >the best improvement you can do to your bike is to improve *yourself*. >Don't know if you have taken an MSF course, but if you haven't I highly >recommend it. Beyond that, a riding and/or racing school would be my next >choice. I think most bikes out there are more capable than their riders >(mine included). Once youv'e learned to really take your bike to the limit >then you will be in a better position to determine what exactly do you need >to improve your ride. Enjoy! > Amen! By far the most significant factor in most handling problems is the rider. Most "ill-handling bikes" derive much of their bad manners from inappropriate, abrupt, and/or ill-timed rider input. I've been asked to ride many bikes to "diagnose" a handling problem. More often than not there was nothing at all wrong with the bike; it was the rider that needed fixing. The aftermarket thrives on selling all sorts of expensive "fixes" for handling problems that could probably be fixed by a day at an MSF course. This is not to say that there aren't some worthwhile modifications that can inhance almost any bike's handling (Kent has covered that subject well), but I think it is better to start with the cheap fix first. Get the riding skills up to snuff through some quality training followed by lots of practice. Only then can you really tell whether the bike needs fixing or not, and only then will the expensive aftermarket stuff really work as it should. Good luck. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:50:23 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply With all the complaints about the lack of rebound damping on the PC, I must really be lucky. Both my '89 and my wife's '90 are stock, yet they handle as well as anything I've ever ridden in this class and better than most. A case in point: I'm writing this while I'm on a short play trip on my PC. I spent today covering a bit over 300 miles of back roads (most of which are pretty twisty and knarly) in southern Tennessee and northern Alabama. I rode at a brisk clip, yet the bike remained a joy to ride even at highly illegal speeds. Only once did it bobble, and then it was my fault and not the bike's. I picked a bad line and entry speed, put in a hasty and none-to-smooth correction, and introduced a bit of a wallow (I think Kent calls it Slinky Trunk). Had I done a better job of setting up for the turn and a smoother job of riding, the bike would have done just fine. It's not a sport bike, but if it is set up properly with the correct suspension preload and proper tire pressure, it does pretty well. The rebound damping is just fine. I can stay with all but the most banzai sport bike types without much trouble. I ride with a couple of ST pilots on occasion, and I am right with them all day long so long as the road bends enough to keep them from using the 15 or 20 mph advantage at the top end (although with their extra acceleration they can sometimes pass where I can't). Am I alone out here, or does anyone else have a PC that handles properly? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:42:04 -0500 Thu, 19 Oct 1995 7:40:16 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply >Am I alone out here, or does anyone else have a PC that handles properly? I have owned approx 12 motorcycles (including 4 BMW's) with over 200,000 miles touring under my belt and the PC is the best yet (stock). So far I have had no accidents and no near misses. My basic philosophy is that everone else has the right of way no matter what. Most things on the road are much bigger than I am. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:12:41 -0500 Thu, 19 Oct 1995 8:10:52 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: tire weights At 03:08 AM 10/19/95 -0500, you wrote: , but did comment on seeing more than >one Metzeler tire with a large collection of weights to balance it I have use Metzeler tires on and off for years and do my own installation. If you put the red dot on the tire at the valve stem, hold the tire vertical by the axle you should find they need little and no weights in terms of balance. i have had no problems with them. By the way group, I have added a 2 inch voltmeter to my PC mounted to the left of the instruments in the space where the left speaker would go(two inch hole required). It works great and allows montoring of battery conditions, accesory drain (electric vest which appears to be little) etc. It also looks great on the bike. Waldo GSU with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:24:31 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:22:43 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: I'd like to comment on the PC's handling. I am just a humble beginner on the PC (bought an I'd like to comment on the PC's handling. I am just a humble beginner on the PC (bought an '89 this summer); it has those 'nasty' Dunlop 477's and is strictly stock (except for a new Rifle windshield). I'm a 40 year old college professor who rides a little agressively. I invite my sport bike owning students out every weekend for some fun. The PC seems to have no problems keeping up with anything out there except for the CBX's and the BMW K's, and with those it's a top speed thing, not a handling issue. Maybe I'm missing something, but the PC is a sweet handler with a trunk and good wind protection to boot. I must admit that I've been riding a Honda 250cc scooter for 6+ years prior to the PC, but in my 20's I rode the living ____ out of a BMW R69s for 5 years until a serious accident took me off the bike and put the bike into a permanent lean. I do think it is appropriate to take a good handler and make it better. Please keep up the postings on the aftermarket work that is being done. We all make our own cost/value judgements regarding upgrading, with tires being the easiest thing to change since they must be replaced anyway. I appreciate the chat, comments, good humor, and information on the group. Happy riding. Prof. Jan A. deRoos - jad10@cornell.edu School of Hotel Administration Cornell University ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Riding an ST... Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:38:54 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill Finally got a chance to ride my boyfriends ST1100 last nite. The... uh... uh... dash lights are a really ugly color! Yeah, that's what's wrong with it! :-) -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:49:28 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: tire weights I put a new front ML2 on last week at the local fussbudget shop -- expensive but they have unconditionally happy customer policy and do beautiful work -- and he cut one 5 gram weight in half for it. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:50 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply >Am I alone out here, or does anyone else have a PC that handles properly? >>I have owned approx 12 motorcycles (including 4 BMW's) with over 200,000 >>miles touring under my belt and the PC is the best yet (stock). I've gotten the Slinky Trunk effect a few times, but far worse w/ the Dunfloppies than with the ML2+ on the rear. The thing has never, ever scared me, though I've gotten myself worried a few times. Most of my students won't believe what the thing will do when I do demos in the MSF classes. At higher speed........ again, the ML2 and ML2+ were a MAJOR improvement. The fork springs have started to sag a bit, but since I BLEW a fork seal on our last ride of the year, the project to replace the seal will also include new springs and heavier fork oil. (Maybe air horns, front brake pads, different front fender, front wheel bearings, and anything else I can afford! :'} ) What's the big thing about wheel weights? I've never had any problem w/ stick-on wheel weights and didn't like the Dunlop tires (two different sets). No tough decision for me at all. If the person mounting the tire will take a little time, the amount of weight required can be lessened by slightly rotating the tire on the rim to have the heavy spot on the wheel (the valve stem) and the heavy spot on the tire counterbalance each other, thereby lowering the amount of balance weight required. Most doing the mounting just put the "light spot" on the tire at the valve stem and leave it at that. Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 12:16:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Thu, 19 Oct 1995 04:28:54 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 12:14:43 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951019024731_75408725@mail04.mail.aol.com> on Oct 19 you wrote: > Given all of the manufacturers' warnings against mixing radial and bias > tires, > I suspect that your results would surprise them a bit. The Bridgestone tech > guy I talked with recently said all of their test of similar configurations > simply didn't work very well at all. However, they didn't try it on a PC. I've run across a number of people recently who haven't seen problems with a bias/radial mix, but I'm still a bit reluctant to suggest such. I have about 3k miles on the mix now, with most of it cummuting so I'm still watching out. The only 'problem' I've seen with the Battlaxe is the slight low-speed wobble that it has - such as when the air pressure is too low, but it was there from the first mile. It calmed down a bit when I bumped up the tire pressure to 40, but not much thereafter, so I usually run it around 38-40. It really isn't bad, and isn't noticable unless I ride hands-off at 45 and below for more than a few seconds. I just figured that I needed to report the situation, but it hasn't gotten any worse and I've run with Metzelers that wobbled worse than this... > You list entry speeds for each of the tire combos. The standard meaning > for "entry speed" is your speed when you apply the steering pressure to > initiate the lean. Are you using the term this way? Correct. (What the heck... I'll get into this sooner or later anyway) This means that my current entry speeds for a typical 45mph marked corner were approximately 85-90mph. If you happen to read Axle's posting in tx.moto regarding the Dalefest, you'll see that when he was riding behind me on his goof2 racer, I was consistently putting the bike just about as far over as it would go without touching. > Are there similar relationships for the exit speeds? Speeds in the corner were noticably faster as I mentioned, mainly since the bike was much more stable. Not sure about exit speeds. I'd suspect that they were pretty close to the same. I also noticed that I got better gas mileage than normal. I suspect that was because I was on the throttle less coming out of the corners and running smoother lines than normal. There is one thing about the PC that is pretty fun - given the right gear/rpm when exiting a curve, that torquey little engine can really scoot out of a curve. :^) Actually, the engine is one thing I find a bit funny when discussing the bike. I'm pretty satisfied with the available horsepower. Sure it would d be nice to have a little more, but the bike pretty much does what I need. What it doesn't have that I need is about another 1krpm for engine steering. I constantly find myself bumping redline coming out of a corner. Heck, Sat I looked down once and had the needle pegged. :^( So I'll probably trash the engine before long... If anyone runs across some stiffer valve springs that will work, please let me know. > How did you arrive at the tire pressures you ran in each tire? Trial and error. :^) And I have some more to go. I suspect that I might end up running still higher tire pressures from what I saw last weekend. problem with just a couple of psi difference is that you can fool yourself pretty easily into thinking you changed one aspect when you haven't, so I usually make a few runs with the chosen settings before I decide what was affected. > You state your goal as "getting a PC up to normal handling standards." > What standards are you using as "normal?" I find my PC to be one of the best > > handling 600-lb+ motorcycles I've ever ridden, and I've ridden most of them. > It certainly will never handle like a 250cc GP bike or a Duc 916, given the > laws of mechanics. So, what are your expectations? How will you know when > you've either succeeded or failed in your quest? The PC800 is the 13th bike I've owned for any length of time. It's also the largest, simply because I normally want a small, quick-steering bike instead of a tourer/cruiser. Thus I'm comparing it to something that is more like 100+lbs lighter. Guess I should also state that almost every bike I've owned I've substantially improved the suspension for, so that colors my comparison also. So 'normal' to me probably isn't really very normal to most people. My old 700 Sabre steered so quick that I could do a lane change such that I scraped the left peg, torqued the frame enough to lift the front wheel a foot off the ground and then scraped the right peg before straightening up. Was known locally as the 'fast lane change artist' :^) Now if I tried that with my PC - even the way it is currently set up - I'd certainly high-side. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Oct 1995 10:17:07 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Riding an ST... To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>PC800: Riding an ST... My feelings were exactly the same. I rode for years CX500. The PC800 was a great improvement, and I was very happy with it. Now after 18 months and16K miles on the PC, and about 40 miles on ST1100 (over the same stretch of freeway with PC 65-85 miles/hr, ST about 65-125 miles/hr) I realized that there is a difference between suspension and SUSPENSION. I agree that the most important part is the rider, but the technology plays a significant role. Just an observation. George. -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 10/19/95 9:48 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Finally got a chance to ride my boyfriends ST1100 last nite. The... uh... uh... dash lights are a really ugly color! Yeah, that's what's wrong with it! :-) -gaye -- Gaye Grabill gaye@percy.rain.com ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 19 Oct 1995 11:40:39 -0500 (CDT) 19 Oct 1995 11:39:01 -0500 19 Oct 1995 11:38:58 -0500 19 Oct 1995 09:38 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:38:54 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill Subject: Riding an ST... To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:40:54 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Rubber mounting footpegs? At 03:14 AM 10/19/95 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone played with rubber mounting footpegs on any bike (with particular >attention to the PC800)? I'm still working out how to make the PC a >comfortable-enough ride for me and it appears that vibration in the pegs is >the biggest drawback. Easiest, fastest way: thick, soft boot soles, the kind you fing in running shoes. A good cobbler (sp?) can fix your riding footwear fairly easily. >Does anyone have a "best approach" to recommend for providing some isolation for >the rider pegs? The bolts do require a fair amount of torque on them (I looked >at the service manual just a few hours ago but don't recall the exact figure. >It's in the 45-55 ft-lb range). I don't know how that would play into the issue. > >My mental picture says put a rubber washer with two metal washers on either >side of it between the peg and its mounting plate. I think that with that kind of torque you would need a pretty stiff rubber washer, which would provide you with little benefit. Soft rubber would just mash down (IMHO). Good luck! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:31 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Pegged or near redline. Though I haven't read about it anywhere, I was under the impression that the PC must have some kind of rev limiter. When ever I've had mine at or over redline I've distinctly sensed a feeling akin to that of a rev limiter. Any body know anything about this? It sure does rev freely right up to that point, though. ;'} Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 13:33:32 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:33:29 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: tire weights In a message dated 95-10-19 12:52:59 EDT, daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes: >I put a new front ML2 on last week at the local fussbudget shop -- >expensive but they have unconditionally happy customer policy and do >beautiful work -- and he cut one 5 gram weight in half for it. FWIW, I have had similar experiences with Metzelers. The last one I put on was to replace a Dunlop. The Dunlop needed 2 20 gram weights to make it balance; the Metzeler needed 1-7 gram weight. That's not bad IMHO. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:33:38 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply In a message dated 95-10-19 07:02:11 EDT, JTSMCRIDER@aol.com writes: >Am I alone out here, or does anyone else have a PC that handles properly? FWIW, I never cease to be amazed at how well my wife's PC handles. I am basically a sport bike rider, but I find the PC amazingly capable. It can scare the pants off of some hot shot to see what appears to be a Gold Wing in a rear view mirror hanging right in there with a racer rep. Of course, in the long run, you run out of lean angle on a PC before you do on a race rep. so a well ridden sport bike can always get away from you (well, it can always get away from me, I can't speak for you)... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:40:56 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply At 06:50 AM 10/19/95 -0400, you wrote: >Am I alone out here, or does anyone else have a PC that handles properly? > >JT For most instances the PC works just fine for me. I weigh 185 lbs., I set up the rear shock in the fourth notch (out of five). Front tire pressure set at 34 psi, rear at 38-40 psi. I have been having problems with a vagueness on the front end, not sure of what it is doing all the time. decreasing the fron tire pressure to 33 psi as recommended by the manual accentuates this vagueness. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the front axle or the steering head are torqued correctly (checked the first one, ok, the second one not yet). Other than that the PC handles quite nice for a 600+ lb. bike. I've only scraped a peg once (15mph left hander) but it was only a nick. With my fairly conservative riding style the Slinky Trunk (tm) comes only into effect if I hit a bad bump in the middle of a turn (plenty of those around here) which in turn activates the Suction Cup effect =: - O (also known as the "limpet" syndrome). I do know that the PC handles a LOT better than the lighter K75, and better than my old Maxim. I haven't had a chance to chase a sport bike yet, but I don't think I'm that good. Has anyone out there changed the steering head bearings for the tapered roller kind? I would appreciate hearing from you! Cheers ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply (from "Juan A. Goula" ) (at Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:40:56 -0700) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:36:37 Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199510191841.KAA09462@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Oct 19 you wrote: > accentuates this vagueness. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the front axle > or the steering head are torqued correctly (checked the first one, ok, the Not wure what you are talking about, but it might be fork twist if the wheel and steering head bearings are in good condition. Fork twist is a bit of a problem on the PC as there is no fork brace as on most motorcycles. Honda just relies on the oversized front axle to provide the necessary stiffness. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Pegged or near redline. (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:31 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 14:40:50 Hi CORY (CORY), in <9510191832.AA04502@hpc.uh.edu> on Oct 19 you wrote: > Though I haven't read about it anywhere, I was under the impression that > the PC must have some kind of rev limiter. When ever I've had mine at > or over redline I've distinctly sensed a feeling akin to that of a rev > limiter. Any body know anything about this? It sure does rev freely > right up to that point, though. ;'} I see no evidence of a rev limiter. that's just the valvetrain screaming for mercy... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:02:04 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply At 02:36 PM 10/19/95 +0000, you wrote: >> accentuates this vagueness. Sometimes it makes me wonder if the front axle >> or the steering head are torqued correctly (checked the first one, ok, the > >Not wure what you are talking about, but it might be fork twist if >the wheel and steering head bearings are in good condition. Fork >twist is a bit of a problem on the PC as there is no fork brace as >on most motorcycles. Honda just relies on the oversized front axle >to provide the necessary stiffness. I've considered that, but I don't think that I push the bike enough to make fork flex become evident. What I mean by "the front end is vague" is that sometimes the bike seems to steer around of it's own accord, without any input from me, even in a straight line. I've ruled out frost heaves, cracks in the pavement (although the K177's are downright _scary_ on tar strips that run paralell to the direction of travel) and other assorted road imperfections. The frustrating part is that it doesn't happen all the time. It can start up with no warning (nothing violent or anything, just enough to get your attention) and then fade away just like that. This winter I am definitely going to check the steering head bearings, might end up repalcing them with the tapered roller kind for peace of mind if nothing else. ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:04 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Thread Juan wrote: >..........I haven't had a chance to chase a sport bike yet, but I don't >think I'm that good. Don't believe him folks, he's being far, far too modest. He's a VERY GOOD rider! Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 18:07:04 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:34:47 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Riding an ST... At 09:38 AM 10/19/95 -0700, you wrote: >Finally got a chance to ride my boyfriends ST1100 last nite. >The... uh... uh... dash lights are a really ugly color! Yeah, >that's what's wrong with it! Boy, some people dig *deep* to find fault . How about that goofy lip on the shield, huh? : - ) ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Riding an ST... <199510192135.NAA09997@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:18:04 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill >At 09:38 AM 10/19/95 -0700, you wrote: >>Finally got a chance to ride my boyfriends ST1100 last nite. >>The... uh... uh... dash lights are a really ugly color! Yeah, >>that's what's wrong with it! > > >Boy, some people dig *deep* to find fault . How about that goofy >lip on the shield, huh? > : - ) OK OK, maybe the goofy lip, too! >________________________________ >Juan A. Goula >School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences >University of Alaska Fairbanks >AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG >1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX > ________________________________ > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:34:11 -0400 From: Mcwilson@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply My wife's PC handles and stops a lot better with an ME33 Comp K low profile up front and an ML2 on back. Front pressure must be all the way up when you use an ME33! It steers quite a bit lighter now but you get used to it. We also swapped the miserable footpegs with a set from an older Shadow 1100. Now you can wear proper boots and still reach the shifter and breaks without lifting your heel up on the peg. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:45:36 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Results -Reply In a message dated 95-10-19 14:36:38 EDT, you write: >Of course, in >the long run, you run out of lean angle on a PC before you do on a race rep. so a well ridden sport bike can always get away from you (well, it can always >get away from me, I can't speak for you)... You're speaking for me well enough, but the key to your comment is "well ridden." Of course, I've seen guys do everything wrong and get away with it for a while. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:45:53 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vague Steering Hi Juan: In a message dated 95-10-19 16:11:58 EDT, you write: >What I mean by "the front end is vague" is that >sometimes the bike seems to steer around of it's own accord, without any >input from me, even in a straight line. What you may be experiencing is the PC's reaction to cross winds. I don't think it was a conscious design feature, but the PC will "automatically" attempt to correct for a crosswind by leaning into it. I haven't had an opportunity to verify it in a wind tunnel, but I believe this fortunate feature is due to the heavily valanced front fender and disk covers. The bulk of the surface area in the fender system is forward of the steering axis. Therefore, crosswind pressure against this area produces a steering torque (proportional to the square of the crosswind speed) that causes the bike to lean into the wind. The harder the gust, the greater the steering torque, the more rapid the change in the lean angle. This "vagueness" bugged me too, until I figured out what was going on. Now I just relax and let the thing keep itself going straight in a crosswind. It's kind of neat, really. A lot of bikes with this much bodywork are really a handful in a crosswind. The PC simply adjusts and presses on. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:50:51 -0400 From: Mcwilson@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rubber mounting footpegs? We replaced the old pegs with a set from an older Shadow 1100. You have to use a mix of parts and drill a new hole for the bolt that holds the chrome cap on, but if you are mechanically inclined you will see what I mean. There is an easy way to just use the whole Shadow peg--but don't. The feature that acts as a stop is different and the peg will droop as you put weight on it. with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:20:55 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:17:40 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Thread -Reply Sounds like he is always in the lead (if he hasnt had the chance to chase).. >>> CORY 10/19/95 01:04pm >>> Juan wrote: >..........I haven't had a chance to chase a sport bike yet, but I don't >think I'm that good. Don't believe him folks, he's being far, far too modest. He's a VERY GOOD rider! Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 20:33:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:33:04 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Rubber mounting footpegs? I think you must have something else wrong with the bike. I experience very little vibration. How fast are you going? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:38:14 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Thread -Reply >Sounds like he is always in the lead (if he hasnt had the chance to chase).. > >>>> CORY 10/19/95 01:04pm >>> >Juan wrote: > >>..........I haven't had a chance to chase a sport bike yet, but I don't >think I'm that good. > >Don't believe him folks, he's being far, far too modest. He's a VERY GOOD rider! HA! I'm not too modest, Cory is too generous (just wants one of his MSF students to look good). Come on Cory, you know that flattery will get you nowhere : - ) ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:56:52 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Vague Steering JAG>>What I mean by "the front end is vague" is that >sometimes the bike seems to JAG>steer around of it's own accord, without any >input from me, even in a JAG>straight line. JT>What you may be experiencing is the PC's reaction to cross winds. I don't JT>think it was a conscious design feature, but the PC will "automatically" JT>attempt to correct for a crosswind by leaning into it. I haven't had an JT>opportunity to verify it in a wind tunnel, but I believe this fortunate JT>feature is due to the heavily valanced front fender and disk covers. The JT>bulk of the surface area in the fender system is forward of the steering JT>axis. Therefore, crosswind pressure against this area produces a steering Dang! I think Honda cheated me. Mine doesn't have this "auto-wind-compensatron" feature. : - ) JT>torque (proportional to the square of the crosswind speed) that causes the JT>bike to lean into the wind. The harder the gust, the greater the steering JT>torque, the more rapid the change in the lean angle. Hmmmm... No, I don't think it is wind. It also happens on calm days with no traffic to generate turbulence. Let me see if I can explain it better: On a straight line, at -let's say 50 mph- extend your grip to the very ends of the handlebar, the end weights. Then give it a slight jiggle , just enough to cause the front end to "twich", but not enough to initiate any kind of counter-steering lean. That is more or less what it feels like, but more subtle, and with no input from me. It must be that what ever is wrong with the front end of my bike (if anything) is reacting to slight imperfections in the pavement that I can't see/anticipate. I suppose that it could be the front tire only and I am just a worry wart. I do appreciate your input though. JT>This "vagueness" bugged me too, until I figured out what was going on. Now I JT>just relax and let the thing keep itself going straight in a crosswind. It's JT>kind of neat, really. A lot of bikes with this much bodywork are really a JT>handful in a crosswind. The PC simply adjusts and presses on. I've had a few white knuckle rides on the PC due to wind gusts, no thanks to that large surface area on the widshield (highest levarage point) and front wheel (manic autopilot). Once while riding sweep with two Silverwings (one full dress, the other naked) I knew that if the full dress bike twiched I was in for some fun, but if the naked one twitched as well I better hang on for dear life! Cheers ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:30:32 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:30:32 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Shock Dive geeze....almost hate to say this..but I noticed after my BMW test ride, that I wanted to check my front forks..so I did little playing...if I hit the front brake hard, I seem to get a fair amount of dive...the BMW didn't budge...mmm..is this just because of the bike, or is it time to look at my front suspension?? -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 19 22:59:28 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 19 Oct 95 23:57:43 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Decal revision on the PC I did not like the Honda decals on the fairing. To me, they didn't look much like motorcycle decals, but more like appliance decals. So, out came the hair dryer and off they came! I put two "gas tank" decals from the ST-1100 on my dummy gas tank, and I think they look great! I also put one of the Pacific Coast decals (as on the sides of the trunk) in the center of the rear trunk area (near the bottom of that panel.) The panel seemed pretty blank and needed a bit of something. I wish that Honda had installed a brake light in the ujpper center section of the trunk! Two items from SOS on my bike work well for me...a headlight modulator and the Priority Plus unit, which converts the rear amber directional signals to running lights/flashing brake lights/directional lights...without changing the single filmaent bulbs to dual filament! I've had both units on for a couple of years without any problem. I am running a high wattage headlight bulb on high beam, and run the modulator constantly during daylight hours. I removed the photo-electric cell and installed a three-way toggle switch inside the left fairing pocket. Top position - modulator works. Middle position - headlight off (in case of electrical problems on the road). Bottom position - modulator off. If you are interested in protecting youir headlight from breakage, install a Ventura headlight cover designed for an ST-1100. It is a bit taller than the PC's headlight, but I installed the top flush with the top of the headlight. The bottom of the protector extends a bit below the bottom of the headlight, but looks good,. I think! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Oct 95 00:02:43 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: Front end modification for better handling Cinda Mobley, one of our Texas members, and wife of HSTA vice president Brad Mobley, has made a change to her bike that she says improved her high speed handling considerably. She removed the brake caliper covers and installed a front fender from an ST-1100! Her husband made two brackets, otherwise it was a straight bolt-on affair! It really lightened up the apeparance of the PC, and she likes it! A fender for the '89 would have to be repainted; the other colors (wineberry, black and VFR red) are available as stock colors for the ST-1100. If you're interested, you can contact Cinda on CompuServe via c:76241.1063. Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 20 Oct 95 08:44:54 EDT From: "Dana L. Sawyer" <71430.340@compuserve.com> To: HondaPacificCoastOwners Subject: STAR '96 date change Attention, HSTA members: Because of a scheduling problem, the dates for STAR '96, our 14th national rally, have been moved one week later FROM June 16-20, 1996 TO June 23-27, 1996. Please help us to spread the word! The STAReview monthly newsletter just mailed does NOT reflect this date change! Again...the NEW DATES for STAR '96 are June 23 - 27, 1996. Thanks! Dana ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Vague Steering (from "Juan A. Goula" ) (at Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:56:52 -0700) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:40:08 Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199510200157.RAA11270@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Oct 19 you wrote: > > On a straight line, at -let's say 50 mph- extend your grip to the very ends > of the handlebar, the end weights. Then give it a slight jiggle , just > enough to cause the front end to "twich", but not enough to initiate any > kind of counter-steering lean. That is more or less what it feels like, but > more subtle, and with no input from me. It must be that what ever is wrong > with the front end of my bike (if anything) is reacting to slight > imperfections in the pavement that I can't see/anticipate. I suppose that > it could be the front tire only and I am just a worry wart. I do appreciate > your input though. Sounds like bearing problems. If it doesn't occur when the steering is turned and there appears to be somewhat of a detent at dead center. I.e. at the detent the steering gets a bit looser, you most likely have a bad steering head bearing. If the front wheel seems to drift a bit when you turn the bars or when you hit small road imperfections, or wobbles right before you come to a full stop, you probably have some bad front wheel bearings. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:51:52 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shock Dive Hi Dave: In a message dated 95-10-19 22:32:44 EDT, you write: >geeze....almost hate to say this..but I noticed after my BMW test ride, >that I wanted to check my front forks..so I did little playing...if I hit >the front brake hard, I seem to get a fair amount of dive...the BMW didn't >budge...mmm..is this just because of the bike, or is it time to look at my >front suspension?? It may be time to look at your suspension, but I suspect not. The big difference in the amount of front-end dive between the PC and the BMW is due to the BMW's Telelever suspension. It has been designed to produce much less dive than that which occurs with a telescoping fork system. Systems like the Telelever and the RADD used on the Yamaha GTS can be set up to provide no dive at all or even lift (like a leading-link scooter suspension). BMW originally had the Telelever set up for zero dive. It worked fine mechanically, but the test riders didn't like it. All of those years of "diving" made it psychologically necessary to put a little bit of dive back in so that it didn't feel too strange. So they relocated the mounting points to give a small amount of dive; the riders felt more comfortable, and that's want went into production. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:51:43 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Kent's Tire Experiments Hi Kent: Re: message dated 95-10-19 19:22:54 EDT: Thanks for the added info. It seems that you're running into the sort of problems that one might expect. You're having to bump the radial's pressure up to keep it stable as it tries to work with the slower-responding bias rear. One problem with that high pressure is you're sacrificing some of the traction potential of the radial, because the tire runs way too cold for optimum grip. On the other hand, it does minimize the rolling friction, and that results in better gas mileage. Keep us posted on how things work out after more experience with this set up. Hopefully, we won't have to wait much longer before they come up with a suitable rear radial designed to work with the front. That would be nice. >My old 700 Sabre steered so quick that I could do >a lane change such that I scraped the left peg, torqued the frame enough >to lift the front wheel a foot off the ground and then scraped the right >peg before straightening up. Was known locally as the 'fast lane change >artist' :^) Now if I tried that with my PC - even the way it is currently >set up - I'd certainly high-side. I did that a couple of times on my old '76 Wing (although it banged the exhaust system rather than the pegs). 'Twas not a pretty sight, but it stayed upright. An old riding buddy of mine did it on his Concours one day, and it didn't stay up. The resulting fall is a lowside rather than a highside (because the unloaded front tire doesn't stick when it comes back down). The best (or worst) part of the whole thing is that he did it during a demonstration of countersteering for a local TV news magazine show. So much for overexubarance and machismo. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:52:09 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vague Steering Juan. In your message 95-10-19 21:58:33 EDT you wrote: > Dang! I think Honda cheated me. Mine doesn't have this > "auto-wind-compensatron" feature. : - ) >I've had a few white knuckle rides on the PC due to wind gusts, no thanks >to that large surface area on the widshield (highest levarage point) and >front wheel (manic autopilot). Once while riding sweep with two Silverwings >(one full dress, the other naked) I knew that if the full dress bike twiched >I was in for some fun, but if the naked one twitched as well I better hang >on for dear life! Honda didn't cheat you, the auto-crosswind feature is there; you've just got to relax and let it work. "Hanging on for dear life" will effectively defeat what the bike is trying to do for you, and make it a real bear. Resisting that reflex to tense up is difficult, but if you can stay relaxed the bike will work a lot better for you in the wind. It's the same thing as when you react to a twitch or bump-induced wallow in a turn by tightening up on the bars. Your whole upper body then becomes part of the mass of the steering mechanism, and rigid arms prevent the bike's natural stability from working properly. In fact, if the rider continues to "fight" the steering in an effort to regain control, the result can be what is known as a "rider-induced oscillation" that can eventually lead to loss of control and a crash. The more common result is that "it just wouldn't turn" experience that leads to a hairy trip through the loose stuff at the edge of the road. >Hmmmm... No, I don't think it is wind. It also happens on calm days with >no traffic to generate turbulence. Let me see if I can explain it better: >On a straight line, at -let's say 50 mph- extend your grip to the very ends >of the handlebar, the end weights. Then give it a slight jiggle , just >enough to cause the front end to "twich", but not enough to initiate any >kind of counter-steering lean. That is more or less what it feels like, but >more subtle, and with no input from me. It must be that what ever is wrong >with the front end of my bike (if anything) is reacting to slight >imperfections in the pavement that I can't see/anticipate. I suppose that >it could be the front tire only and I am just a worry wart. Ah! Now I think I see what you're talking about. My PC (and my old Gold Wing) exhibit this behavior, and I don't think it is anything you need to worry about in terms of the need for immediate maintenance. I think it comes from the rake and trail needed to make the steering reasonably light and responsive on a heavy bike. That is, to produce acceptable steering effort, there has to be a compromise with low-speed stability. The result is that the natural oscillations of the steering system as it attempts to maintain balance become more perceptible, especially on a big bike where the natural frequency of oscillation is much lower. A related phenomenon is the low-speed "head shake" that many big bikes have. I refer to the wobble that you get if you take your hands off the bars as the bike is slowing down. My PC starts to shake at about 45 mph, and it gets worse as it slows. I've had everything checked out in terms of bearings and tightness throughout, and everything is correct. And replacing the front tire didn't fix it either. It's a bit annoying, but not really a problem. All you have to do to stop/prevent it is keep a hand on a handgrip (usually a good idea anyway; right?) It didn't do it when it was new, so I think it may be due to sagging front springs. I'm going to install a set of Progressive Suspension springs soon. Perhaps that will put the steering geometry back where the engineers put it and help both problems. I'll let you know. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Your real danger... To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:50:57 Jon Diaz sent this to me in two parts which I stuck together. If you crazed moto groupies afraid of any bad press want someone to bitch at, I'd suggest you go buzz this type of rider instead of someone who poses no hazard to anyone but himself. It's about a PC800 rider who went wide one too many times... On Oct 19, Diaz Jon wrote: |-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------| We were on this totally deserted stretch of Missouri back road I had found last year. At least, I thought it was deserted. Then we came across a freshly crashed Ducati 900SP. I helped him get going, and we continued on. Five miles or so later a woman is waving frantically at us on the outside of this downhill right hander. I see a Ford Explorer in the ditch pointed uphill, both tires flat, and a little smoke plume from over the edge of the road. We pull our bikes off with the 40 others that had gathered and took a look. The PC guy had been going wide on corners all day, and finally found a corner with oncoming traffic to fuck him up. An Explorer tried to give the bike as much room as possible, but they hit broadside, the guy fell off, and the bike coasted down a 30-ft embankment before crashing and bursting into flames. By the time we saw it, all the plastic was burned off and the frame/engine block was all that was left. His leg was broken and it took the ambulances something like two hours to get there. Curiously enough, I identified the bike right away because I recognized the metal hoop that surrounds the trunk...... :) Jon ps-I heard the guy is ok. |------------------------- end of forwarded message ------------------------| Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:52:30 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Riding an ST... Yeah, and how about that riding position and handgrip buzz that is bound to produce carpal-tunnel (Sp?) syndrome before too long. I rode the PC and the ST before I opted for the PC. The ST is a wonderful machine, but for me the PC is a better one. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Kent's Tire Experiments (from JTSMCRIDER@aol.com) (at Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:51:43 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:04:36 Hi JTSMCRIDER (JTSMCRIDER), in <951020105121_49553153@emout06.mail.aol.com> on Oct 20 you wrote: > problems that one might expect. You're having to bump the radial's pressure > up to keep it stable as it tries to work with the slower-responding bias > rear. One problem with that high pressure is you're sacrificing some of the > traction potential of the radial, because the tire runs way too cold for > optimum grip. On the other hand, it does minimize the rolling friction, and > that results in better gas mileage. Keep us posted on how things work out Exactly. :^) Not to mention temperature changes, etc that affect the whole thing. Though I do think I'm pretty close to where it needs to be. I think I'm withing a couple of psi of where I'm going to end up, which really isn't going to make that big of a difference. The 38psi Battlaxe ran the best of any front tire I've used on the PC so that's an improvement right there. And the tire stuck like glue. Never once gave any hint of a problem at 38. But I like to tinker. :^) > I did that a couple of times on my old '76 Wing (although it banged the > exhaust system rather than the pegs). 'Twas not a pretty sight, but it :^) > and it didn't stay up. The resulting fall is a lowside rather than a > highside (because the unloaded front tire doesn't stick when it comes back I toyed with it a little bit and think where I'd get in trouble is not when the tire touches down, but when I pull it back up. The Slinky Trunk (tm) wants to contine rolling the bike on over. But you never know, could end up in both a low and a high-side. :^) :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:20:29 -0500 Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Rifle on the net Rifle is now on the net under "Motorcycle online" Parts and accesories. Complete explaination of PC800 system with photo of 90 model with rifle. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:14 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: STAR '96 date change >Attention, HSTA members: Because of a scheduling problem, the dates for STAR >'96, our 14th national rally, have been moved one week later FROM June 16-20, >1996 TO June 23-27, 1996. Please help us to spread the word! The STAReview >monthly newsletter just mailed does NOT reflect this date change! Again...the >NEW DATES for STAR '96 are June 23 - 27, 1996. Thanks! Dana Thanx, Dana! One of these years............. Hey Juan, wanna' ride "out" next June? Cory From owner-pc800 Fri Oct 20 12:45:42 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:45:09 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: RE: STAR '96 date change At 09:14 AM 10/20/95 -0800, you wrote: >Thanx, Dana! One of these years............. Hey Juan, wanna' ride "out" >next June? Interesting that you would ask, Cory. I was toying with the idea this very morning! It would depend on how our finances are doing, since time off would not be a problem (I hope). Let's keep it in mind! : - ) Hey, did you get that tent? Which one is it? I saw one at the Bentley mall, but they were asking $60.00 for it, not 40.00. What is the model again? I forgot to check AM. Thanks! Juan ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:03:48 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:03:48 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Re: Vague Steering >> Dang! I think Honda cheated me. Mine doesn't have this >> "auto-wind-compensatron" feature. : - ) >Honda didn't cheat you, the auto-crosswind feature is there; you've just got >to relax and let it work. "Hanging on for dear life" will effectively defeat >what the bike is trying to do for you, and make it a real bear. Resisting >that reflex to tense up is difficult, but if you can stay relaxed the bike >will work a lot better for you in the wind. Amen! Once I realized just how steady the PC is, and how well it recovers from wind, bumps, and my favorite, breaks in the asphalt where they've widened the lane, & learned to relax a bit, I found the handling much easierr to deal with.... *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:48:57 From: WKern@gnn.com (Walter Kern) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Introduction to the group I heard about the PC800 list from one of your members, Neill Thompson. I live in Freehold, NJ. I have a 1990 PC that I bought as a new leftover in 1992. My wife also has a 1990 PC. We bought hers first and after I rode it for 50 miles, I had to get one for myself. The bikes are pretty much identical except that my wife had her bike's seat material cut down so she could better reach the ground. We have the back rests. I have a tall windshield I use in the winter. I installed CBs on the bikes last winter - what a job! I got the CycleComm units and put the control panel in the left hand speaker opening in the dash. The only thing that was custom made for the bike by CycleComm was the antenna bracket. Everything else had to be forcefit to the bike. After all the toil to get them installed, they work pretty well. I have had every piece of plastic off at least once. I just spent a couple of hours installing a new battery. The plastic looks great but it's a real pain getting it off and on to do something minor like installing a battery. We have almost 20000 miles on the bikes. Trips to Americade, Illinois, and the Grand Tetons and winter riding in the NJ Polar Bear Club put the miles on. That's about it for now. Walt Kern Wkern@gnn.com Wfkj@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:56:44 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Vague Steering JT writes: >I don't >JT>think it was a conscious design feature, but the PC will "automatically" >JT>attempt to correct for a crosswind by leaning into it. I think it's your brain doing this. On a bike with no faring, you don't notice the sidewind, and your first indication that you're in a side wind is that the bike is getting blown off the road. On a big-faring bike, you can feel the side wind, and your brain quickly learns to compensate for it so that when you get hit with a steady sidewind or get buffetted, the bike stays straight instead of being blown sideways across the road. I admit, it feels a *lot* like the bike is getting blown out from under you, but I don't think that's what's happening. The white-knuckle part comes when you're going down a straight road, and you're wondering if you have enough sideways traction to maintain the lean! But- I suppose if Kent can drag the pegs at 60mph on a curve, you should be able to drag the pegs at 60mph on a straightaway, compensating for the crosswind. Hmmm. -dan (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:31:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:31:01 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Vague Steering good point dan...the white knuckle time for me comes when going over them DAMN metal bridge grateings in the rain. -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Sun Oct 22 18:57:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 20:06:10 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: Vague Steering >Hi Juan: > >In a message dated 95-10-19 16:11:58 EDT, you write: > >>What I mean by "the front end is vague" is that >sometimes the bike seems to >steer around of it's own accord, without any >input from me, even in a >straight line. > >What you may be experiencing is the PC's reaction to cross winds. I don't >think it was a conscious design feature, but the PC will "automatically" >attempt to correct for a crosswind by leaning into it. I haven't had an >opportunity to verify it in a wind tunnel, but I believe this fortunate >feature is due to the heavily valanced front fender and disk covers. The >bulk of the surface area in the fender system is forward of the steering >axis. Therefore, crosswind pressure against this area produces a steering >torque (proportional to the square of the crosswind speed) that causes the >bike to lean into the wind. The harder the gust, the greater the steering >torque, the more rapid the change in the lean angle. > >This "vagueness" bugged me too, until I figured out what was going on. Now I >just relax and let the thing keep itself going straight in a crosswind. It's >kind of neat, really. A lot of bikes with this much bodywork are really a >handful in a crosswind. The PC simply adjusts and presses on. > >JT Know this feeling of vagueness with crosswinds and the travelling speed of about 63 mph... finally after two weeks off for ice storms here in the NorthEast during winter 93 and the opportunity for a little snowboarding I suggest JT's advice firm, but light hands on the handlebars and a sense of trust in the gyroscopic procession... granted we PC's has a lot of draft area it makes our rides a real treat of physics and human handling keep the tires up to correct inflation install the mudgard on the front be sure your bearings are ok and fly on down the road ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E.Y. Murphey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ maybe a metaphor would help? email: EYonline@aol.com ey@forum.swarthmore.edu voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 fax: 610-789-1445 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #8380) 23 Oct 1995 09:00:27 -0500 (CDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:59:00 +0000 From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Vague Steering (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)) (at Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:56:44 -0300) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Oct 22 you wrote: > JT writes: > > >I don't > >JT>think it was a conscious design feature, but the PC will "automatically" > >JT>attempt to correct for a crosswind by leaning into it. > > I think it's your brain doing this. On a bike with no faring, you don't [...] > I admit, it feels a *lot* like the bike is getting blown out from under > you, but I don't think that's what's happening. I also can find no evidence that the PC is compensating for crosswinds. As to Daniel's explanation, an analogy would be like the first time I tried a Metzeler ME33 on my old SR650. The old Dunlops I was running required a lot of force to push the bike into a lean. When I came to the first turn ever on the ME33, the bike just fell into the corner all by itself. I was stunned! How did it know I wanted to turn there. :^) Well, what had happened was that the ME33 required only a tiny bit of force to start the turn compared to the Dunlops and I had provided it at such a low level prior to the turn that I didn't know I had done anything. It actually took me a few more turns to convince myself that I was really doing it. :^) I think that what is different about riding the PC in a crosswind vs. many other bikes is that the low CG assists the recovery. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:35:28 -0800 From: Barbara_Brick@SMTP.packer.edu (Barbara Brick) Subject: Questions To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Priority: normal I live in Greenwood Lake area, have a 1989 repainted bike. It was bought used at 20,000 miles. I commute about 80 miles a day on it. I installed electric grips, hypo hands. Does anyone have experience upgrading the rear suspension, if so what type was put in, where was it made and where did it come from. Would appreciate supplier's name and info. Anyopne with experience with failure and/or subsequent rebuilding of the alternator/slator, if so who did the work and phone number. Anyone having problems with the rear scraping the inside of the wheel well, if so what was the cause and the curve, and the cost? Is the rifle brand fairing better than the stock fairing. How so and why? Has anyone changed the type and position of the mirrors, Who supplied the parts and how was it modified./ -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: PC800 : address change To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Sorry to post here - My e-mail account at this address is going to be canceled soon, and I have been unsucccessful in unsubscribing. How do i do this properly? thanks matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:39:36 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Re: Questions Welcome! At 11:35 AM 10/23/95 -0800, you wrote: >I live in Greenwood Lake area, have a 1989 repainted bike. It was bought used >at 20,000 miles. I commute about 80 miles a day on it. I installed electric >grips, hypo hands. What color is it painted ? How did you get the hippo hands to fit over the plastic cover of the handlebar? Do they impair the controls at all? >Does anyone have experience upgrading the rear suspension, if so what type was >put in, where was it made and where did it come from. Would appreciate >supplier's name and info. Here's a partial answer to that question. The person to talk about that is the Kent-man. >>> Hi Kent, >>> >>> In your opinion what is the best available after market rear shock for the >>> PC and approximate cost? >> >>As far as I know, Works Performance is the only company who makes >>shocks for the PC. >Anyopne with experience with failure and/or subsequent rebuilding of the >alternator/slator, if so who did the work and phone number. I think one of thepeople in this list was having charging problems, but don't remember who it was or how he solved it. >Anyone having problems with the rear scraping the inside of the wheel well, if >so what was the cause and the curve, and the cost? This is a documented problem. I'm sure Honda must have a service bulletin on this (Am I right, anyone?) >Is the rifle brand fairing better than the stock fairing. How so and why? IMHO, _much_ better. It is wider and the angle of attack is different. Greatly reduced turbulence and wind noise. Besides, it won't melt your dashboard like the large Honda shield will. >Has anyone changed the type and position of the mirrors, Who supplied the >parts and how was it modified./ Huh? I think some one else might want to take this one... Again, welcome to the group! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:05 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Questions >Has anyone changed the type and position of the mirrors, Who supplied the >parts and how was it modified./ Holy smoke! The PC mirrors are some of the best, most functional, and practical mirror assemblies (and most expensive!) of any in all of motorcycledom! I would think that between the blending of the bodywork, the turn signals/ running lights, and the hand protection offered why would you WANT to do anything w/ them? Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 23 18:46:53 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 13:33:35 TZ Subject: RE: Questions | From: Barbara Brick You might take a look at the archives for your questions about suspension, windsheilds, etc.. Works Perfomance is the only rear shock manufacturer and has a non-adjustable one that is tuned to the riders weight and riding style. <> Sorry can't help whith a service shop but I did run into a fellow from Cheney, WA (twice actually) who had to replace the stator once. Major expensive he said -- both parts and labor. Likely the only way to save some money is do the work yourself. <> I've found I really like my Rifle that's an extra 4" in height. Recently we found out that the lower portion can be painted by Rifle for an extra $40 (?) or so. The angle of the shield is much more upright, the plastic is more flexible, and it will eliminate the melting dash syndrome the stock Honda is prone to do. <> I agree with Cory that they are well positioned and provide a great view. I did however add some small wide-angle stickon mirrors to cover my blind spots. I've found them extremely valuable and have even added them to cars. Besides all that, they help the pearly colored bike to look like a cop and people routinely get out of my way. \"/ -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:37:56 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:37:56 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: Questions well...making the mirrors BIGGER would help :>) bought one of the new FIRSTGEAR one-peice rainsuits...glows in the dark from a mile away!! wheeeeee :::still drooling at the bmw :>( sigh -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 23 19:38:05 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:38:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:38:01 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: Questions brice...you wouldn't be impersonating an officer, would you? :>) I have one of the black vinyl 'bras' on the front of my white pc...looks funny...but I like it anway... now..where's that Corbin ##??? -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 23 19:53:08 1995 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:56:08 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:53:08 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Questions -Reply Well gee maybe this person found that the PC mirrors pop off easily and wants to know how to put some cast iron shoulder height crash bars on and make a 2 wheel cage? >>> CORY 10/23/95 11:05am >>> >Has anyone changed the type and position of the mirrors, Who supplied the >parts and how was it modified./ Holy smoke! The PC mirrors are some of the best, most functional, and practical mirror assemblies (and most expensive!) of any in all of motorcycledom! I would think that between the blending of the bodywork, the turn signals/ running lights, and the hand protection offered why would you WANT to do anything w/ them? Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Oct 23 20:00:09 1995 with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:03:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:00:11 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Questions -Reply Beware the Hippo Hands applying back pressure on the clutch and front brake controls.. the constant presure will make the clutch slip and apply constant use to the front brake. I know that from Hippos burning out both prematurely on my 86 700 Shadow. Be sure you have some kind of bracket built into the Hippo to keep it off the clutch and brake, then enjoy. >>> Barbara Brick 10/23/95 12:35pm >>> I live in Greenwood Lake area, have a 1989 repainted bike. It was bought used at 20,000 miles. I commute about 80 miles a day on it. I installed electric grips, hypo hands. Anyone having problems with the rear scraping the inside of the wheel well, if so what was the cause and the curve, and the cost? Is the rifle brand fairing better than the stock fairing. How so and why? Has anyone changed the type and position of the mirrors, Who supplied the parts and how was it modified./ -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Packer Collegiate Institute Brooklyn, NY -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:29:40 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Aerostitch Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? They seem great, but rather pricey! I like the idea of one garment that I could always pull on to ride, that provides protection from wind, rain, and abrasion. with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:41:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:38:53 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Aerostitch -Reply Dont have the expensive Aerostich, myself. I do ride year round and find the combination of 2 piece Dry Rider over 3 piece Tourmaster to keep me warm and dry any time I ride. (I dont even have the PC body work to help me stay warm - most of the time) I usually drive the XR250L :) >>> 10/23/95 08:29pm >>> Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? They seem great, but rather pricey! I like the idea of one garment that I could always pull on to ride, that provides protection from wind, rain, and abrasion. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:54:04 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "J" == JeffHO writes: J> Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? I have an Aerostich 2-piece Roadcrafter, and my good buddy also with a '94 PC has a 1-piece. We both couldn't be happier. I've never found it to be hot, I've never managed to get wet and I've ridden in really heavy rain for a couple of hours at a stretch. It's easy to wash. The company's great. I haven't a single complaint. J> They seem great, but rather pricey! I suppose you get what you pay for. I weighed the convenience and safety of the suit versus a leather jacket, jeans, and a rain suit and figured that $750 was nothing. I had the suit before I had the bike. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:12:44 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vague Steering Hi Dan. In a message dated 95-10-22 08:59:29 EDT, you write: >I think it's your brain doing this. On a bike with no faring, you don't >notice the sidewind, and your first indication that you're in a side wind >is that the bike is getting blown off the road. On a big-faring bike, you >can feel the side wind, and your brain quickly learns to compensate for it >so that when you get hit with a steady sidewind or get buffetted, the bike >stays straight instead of being blown sideways across the road. > >I admit, it feels a *lot* like the bike is getting blown out from under >you, but I don't think that's what's happening. > I, too, thought it was an illusion at first, but since then I've done a lot of experimenting with it, and it really does react the way I've described. I've ridden several of my bikes (faired and unfaired, big and small) over the same route on the same day with the same wind conditions, and the PC definitely reacts differently from the rest. With a conscious effort not to put any steering input to the handgrips, the others react to a side gust by leaning away from the gust, and the bike swerves quickly downwind. They require a conscious steering input to make them lean into the wind and keep going straight. The PC with the same conditions, leans into the gust and tracks relatively straight with almost no help. At most you have to make a minor correction depending on the magnitude of the gust. In a steady crosswind, you still have to hold a little upwind-grip pressure, but not as much as with the other bikes. >The white-knuckle part comes when you're going down a straight road, and >you're wondering if you have enough sideways traction to maintain the lean! >But- I suppose if Kent can drag the pegs at 60mph on a curve, you should >be able to drag the pegs at 60mph on a straightaway, compensating for the >crosswind. Hmmm. True, but you would indeed be working against a serious wind to generate that much side force. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:12:52 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Introduction to the group Welcome aboard, Walt. We are a two-PC family also. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:14:54 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vague Steering Kent: In a message dated 95-10-23 10:06:23 EDT, you write: >I think that what is different about riding the PC in >a crosswind vs. many other bikes is that the low CG assists the recovery. Could be; but a low CG is a two-edged sword in this context; that is, it also makes it easier to disturb in the first place. Actually, I don't know what the CG height is on the PC. Have you seen it published anywhere? I'm not sure that it is all that low compared with other modern bikes of similar size and weight. I haven't had any reason to measure the PC's CG height as yet, but I probably should. Maybe I'll get around to it this winter sometime. If I do, I'll post the results. JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:38:01 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch Hi Jeff. In a message dated 95-10-23 23:33:39 EDT, you write: >Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? They >seem great, but rather pricey! I like the idea of one garment that I could >always pull on to ride, that provides protection from wind, rain, and >abrasion. I don't have an Aerostitch suit myself, but I know several folks who do. They like theirs a lot. You might want to look into the new Ultra Trek suit from Motoport as well. It is reported to be even better than the Aerostich. It has newer technology, including a for-real armor system and a zip-in/out Gortex & Thermolite liner. It comes both in Cordura (expensive) and Kevlar (more expensive). JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:39:05 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shock Dive In a message dated 95-10-19 22:36:35 EDT, dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) writes: >geeze....almost hate to say this..but I noticed after my BMW test ride, >that I wanted to check my front forks..so I did little playing...if I hit >the front brake hard, I seem to get a fair amount of dive...the BMW didn't >budge...mmm..is this just because of the bike, or is it time to look at my >front suspension?? Dave, That is almost certainly a product of the BMW's front suspension. BMW went to great trouble and expense to develop its Telelever front suspension that is supposed to minimize front end dive. While the PC 800 is not bad in this regard, it can't compare to the BMW which is state of the art in this regard. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:15:01 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:15:01 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Shock Dive yeah...that's what I figured..that Telelever/Paralever suspension thing is really amazing...kinda fun throwing a 650lb bike around like it's a 350 twin...wheeeeeee -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 24 12:59:46 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:06:56 -0400 From: TedJ101@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch In a message dated 95-10-23 23:34:27 EDT, JeffHO@aol.com writes: >Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? They >seem great, but rather pricey! I like the idea of one garment that I could >always pull on to ride, that provides protection from wind, rain, and >abrasion. Aerostitch are good, Motoport Ultra II Cordura are better and about the same price. Much better ventilation, much better abrasion resistance (about 2 to 1). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:41:24 TZ Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply I've been riding 2+ years in an Aerostitch and can't say enough good things about it. With the PC's wind protection I can ride in a t-shirt and jeans and be plenty comfortable from 60-80 degrees -- rain or shine. With 40-60 degrees a sweatshirt or polarfleece. Under 40 I usually go with electric vests/chaps but you can do it with other clothing if you layer well. For the heat I open up all the zippers, soak my t-shirt/head at gas stops, and motor down the road. Oh yea one other tip: a half-size "camelbak" waterbag will fit in the front breast pocket and is really handy for keeping you hydrated. Rain protection is really good but not perfect. You'll get a little wet after an hour or two in a heavy downpour around some of the zippers. Fortunately it's usually a drizzle of a rain in Seattle so it's very rare where I get a drop on me. Treating the fabric after each washing (I wash 2-3 times a year) with a silicon or scotchguard spray is crucial -- water just beads up and blows off. Riding around Seattle in the fall and winter you'll see a lot of 'stitch's going by. I enjoy the 2 piece suit 'cuase I can drop the pants when it warms up or if I need to be a bit more social (I know what you're thinking. I'm still wearing Levi's). The suit can be rolled up and it will fit on one side of the PC trunk. If you put your gloves and helmet on the other side no one will know you just rode into work on a motorcycle. Overall it's one extremely versatile and valuable piece of riding gear. If you ride all the time I highly recommend it. My girlfriend will soon be buying one after she's seen how convenient it is on all of our trips together and she doesn't even own a bike! She hates it when I only take a minute to get dressed while all her layering can take 5 or so minutes. Aerostitch can be emailed at aerostich@aol.com -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:42:05 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:46:57 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch -Reply >>> 10/24/95 10:06am >>> Aerostitch are good, Motoport Ultra II Cordura are better and about the same price. Much better ventilation, much better abrasion resistance (about 2 to 1). But is the Motoport Gore-tex (breathable but waterproof)? I think that accounts for the difference in price. I don't own a Aerostitch but I do own other Gore-tex clothing and love the properties of the fabric. Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:40:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Aerostitch Priority: normal > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:29:40 -0400 > From: JeffHO@aol.com > Subject: Aerostitch > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Does anybody out there have an Aerostitch suit? What do you think of it? They > seem great, but rather pricey! I like the idea of one garment that I could > always pull on to ride, that provides protection from wind, rain, and > abrasion. > >I've been wearing an Aerostitch suit (2-piece) for three years now and really love it. It's cool in the hot weather (80+), I have put ice in the front pockets for added cooling, works great!! It's just right between 40F and 80F with the vents open, and below 40F I wear a sweater or swet shirt under it. I always wear jeans or Kakis and boots to ride. My suit jacket has the added gussets under the arms to enable more vertical arm movement. The sizes are a little difficult to get to fit particularly if you are Horizontally emphasized and Vertically disadvantaged. Had to have LOTS of customizing done to get it to fit but now I don't know what I'd do without it. The GoreTex (r) is a deffinite advantage, I have rarely sweated when wearing the AeroStich. Scads of very convenient pockets BEAUTIFULLY made Go for it!! you 'll love it ------------- John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Oct 95 18:50:28 EDT From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: pc800 Subject: Re: Aerostitch >I don't have an Aerostitch suit myself, but I know several folks who do. >They like theirs a lot. You might want to look into the new Ultra Trek suit >from Motoport as well. It is reported to be even better than the Aerostich. >It has newer technology, including a for-real armor system and a zip-in/out >Gortex & Thermolite liner. It comes both in Cordura (expensive) and Kevlar >(more expensive). Does anyone have a number or address for Motoport and Aerostich? I would like to get some literature from both of them. Thanks, Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:09:22 -0400 From: JohnM706@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Account Change / Storage I am a regular reader and should participate more. Sorry folks! but time always seems to be short. I am now with AOL and have left that da#####mn Netcom for my Internet access. Hope to spend more time online! Have one question. Now don't go flamin' me but it is almost time to retire the bike for the winter months. Have throughly enjoyed my new PC all summer even though not much time to ride. Since I am a new owner, could use some helpful info on how to store for the winter. I found a place nearby that will allow me to store my PC and my wife's Virago in a heated garage (for a nominal fee, of course, but I feel its got to be worth it due to limited space in my garage). The only thing I know I need to do is to remove the battery. Question is.....does anyone have any comments on storage of gas in the bike, or oil, etc. Thanks in advance! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 24 Oct 95 19:26:48 EDT From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: pc800 Subject: Aerostitch and Motoport In case anyone else wanted to know, I managed to find these two companies phone numbers via some CD Rom's and by checking Aerostich on AOL to see where he was located and calling information in that city. To make a long story short, here are the numbers: Motoport: 619-929-4880 Aerostitch: 218-722-1927 Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:50:40 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Juan A. Goula" Subject: Storage >Have one question. Now don't go flamin' me but it is almost time to retire >the bike for the winter months. Don't feel too bad. Cory's and mine have been dormant for two weeks already (only 6 more months to go!) : - ( >Have throughly enjoyed my new PC all summer >even though not much time to ride. Since I am a new owner, could use some >helpful info on how to store for the winter. I found a place nearby that >will allow me to store my PC and my wife's Virago in a heated garage (for a >nominal fee, of course, but I feel its got to be worth it due to limited >space in my garage). The only thing I know I need to do is to remove the >battery. Don't need to remove the battery if you can hook up a trickle charger to it. If you can't, keep it in a dry, cool place and give it some juice from time to time. Beyond that, here's what I do: Wash it thoroughly and add a coat of wax. Change the oil and filter (highly recommended) Add fuel stabilizer to the gas tank and top it off. Drain the carburator bowls (two). Actually easier to do than it seems. Add about 1 tsp. of motor oil to each cylinder through the spark plug hole, spin the engine several revoutions to distribute it evenly. Spray the undercarriage with WD40 to ward off moisture and rust. Pressure up the tires to max. recommended. Put on centerstand. Store under a full cover. Add some padding (such as soft blankets) under the cover if there is the chance that someone might open a car door by "feel". (trust me, it's worth it!) Some people jack up the front wheel as well. I usually don't, and haven't had any trouble as a result. Keep the bikes as far away from electric motors as possible ( they generate ozone, and ozone chews up rubber). Good luck! ________________________________ Juan A. Goula School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences University of Alaska Fairbanks AMA # 532390 \\\\ HSTA # 4995RG 1990 Honda PC800 \\\\ 1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX ________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch and Motoport Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:33:32 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "RJ" == Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> writes: RJ> In case anyone else wanted to know, I managed to find these two RJ> companies phone numbers via some CD Rom's and by checking Aerostich on RJ> AOL to see where he was located and calling information in that city. Wow. I did an InfoSeek search on Aerostich and came up with: http://www.aerostich.com/areostich/ This is mostly under construction, but lists a 1-800 number: 1-800-222-1994 For Motoport, I also found a 1-800 number at the Team Charm page: Motoport leathers 800-777-6499 7720 "B" El Camino Real, Suite 504 Rancho La Costa CA 92009 catalog free - J< (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:33:48 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:33:48 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply hey bryce..whadday think?? time to buy a matching PC for the lady??? got my eyes on that BMW :>) heheheee so does steve... -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Tue Oct 24 21:53:05 1995 Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:46:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Account Change / Storage Priority: normal > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:09:22 -0400 > From: JohnM706@aol.com > Subject: Account Change / Storage > To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu > I am a regular reader and should participate more. Sorry folks! but time > always seems to be short. > > I am now with AOL and have left that da#####mn Netcom for my Internet access. > > Hope to spend more time online! > > Have one question. Now don't go flamin' me but it is almost time to retire > the bike for the winter months. Have throughly enjoyed my new PC all summer > even though not much time to ride. Since I am a new owner, could use some > helpful info on how to store for the winter. I found a place nearby that > will allow me to store my PC and my wife's Virago in a heated garage (for a > nominal fee, of course, but I feel its got to be worth it due to limited > space in my garage). > The only thing I know I need to do is to remove the > battery. I stored my PC last winter in the dealers garage, cost was $25.00 per month for four (4) months. I filled the tank and used a storage additive in the gasoline. Left the battery installed all winter with a "Battery Tender" hooked up via a pig tail connection accessable in the trunk. (Also use this connection for my wifes electric chaps when she rides with me). I have one of those wonderful aerostich suits so don't need electric blankets. I clean the bike meticulously with a product called Race Glaze and cover it with a Honda line cover for the PC. Every four (4) weeks I start the bike and let it run until the exhaust pipes get good and hot (so no condensation) and then shut it down and top up the gas tank with treated gas (Storage Seal ?) Wisconsin winters are BITTERLY cold and condensation problems occur when the weather warms up and the air gets less dry. The bike parts, particularly the metal parts are often below the dew point temperature of the air which results in massive condensation. You can see water DRIPPING of the other bikes in the warehose at certaain times. I watch the weather and go start the bike to get it good and warm and this helps to minimize the dammage. If you remove the battery you can't do this. I have been storing my bikes this way for many years and it works well for me. If I can get the bike out of the warehouse to ride it that is of course better than just letting it warm up. I also put it in gear while it is on the stand so that the back axle stays lubed and the gearbox also gets lubed. Now somebody tell me this is all wrong !! BUT i've seen the pools of water under all those expensive Gold Wings. One of the plastic sealed storage bags with a bag of dessicant material might be a better idea and we are going to try one on my wife's VLX Shaddow this winter. Then I'll remove the battery from this machine. > > Question is.....does anyone have any comments on storage of gas in the bike, > or oil, etc. > > Thanks in advance! > > John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:36:32 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch and Motoport In a message dated 95-10-24 21:41:03 EDT, you write: >Motoport leathers 800-777-6499 7720 "B" El Camino Real, Suite 504 Rancho La >Costa CA 92009 catalog free > > The phone number is still good for orders; the address is an old one. They are now at 6110 Yarrow Drive, Carlsbad, CA 92009. The voice number is (619) 929-4880; FAX (619) 929-4888 JT with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:41:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:46:07 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: I think this was meant to go to the list not just me. Dana L. Sawyer <71430.340@compuserve.com> Neill Thompson '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:36:31 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:41:30 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Looking for Lenny Fein Sorry to clutter the net with this but I was wondering if any of you Texans know a guy named Lenny Fein. He was an Austin, TX native I believe. He would be about 50 at this point. About 25 years ago he was pretty big into collecting and restoring vintage BMWs. For a time he was a school teacher and then later I believe he got into some aspect of the computer biz. I was wondering if any of you guys had ever run into him or knew if he was net-connected? Thanks in advance. Neill Thompson '94 PC800 AMA 371208 HSTA 5477 HRCA HM295612 DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:28:49 TZ Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply Leanne and have talked about it but she's really afraid of bug weight and size of a PC. I've shown her women on big hogs, etc so she's still in the think about it stage. Top of her list is the Honda Helix scooter is she opts to start driving instead of riding. -bryceu ---------- | From: David Gross | To: | Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply | Date: Tuesday, October 24, 1995 6:33PM | | hey bryce..whadday think?? time to buy a matching PC for the lady??? got | my eyes on that BMW :>) heheheee | | so does steve... | | | -------------------------------- | Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog | "It's gotta groove..." | (dkgross@halcyon.com) | | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Aerostitch -Reply <9510252235.AA13167@netmail2.microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:52:09 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill Tell Leanne that it's not hard to get used to the weight. I'm 5' 5 1/2" and not a large woman and, after a couple of weeks, didn't notice the weight or size at all. I moved "up" to the PC from an Ascott 500VT, so they weight gain was pretty large. I've never had any trouble with the bike's size/weight at all! -gaye >Leanne and have talked about it but she's really afraid of bug weight >and size of a PC. I've shown her women on big hogs, etc so she's still >in the think about it stage. Top of her list is the Honda Helix >scooter is she opts to start driving instead of riding. > >-bryceu >---------- >| From: David Gross >| To: >| Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply >| Date: Tuesday, October 24, 1995 6:33PM >| >| hey bryce..whadday think?? time to buy a matching PC for the lady??? got >| my eyes on that BMW :>) heheheee >| >| so does steve... >| >| >| -------------------------------- >| Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog >| "It's gotta groove..." >| (dkgross@halcyon.com) >| >| > > with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:18:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:23:21 -0700 From: Neill Thompson To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply -Reply >>> Bryce Ulrich 10/25/95 04:28am >>> Leanne and have talked about it but she's really afraid of bug weight I find that the windshied is particularly effective in eliminating bug weight. Stephanie doesn't have a windsheild on her bike and she gets bugs all over her helmet but I remain free of bug weight. ;-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:43:22 -0400 From: JohnM706@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Storage Juan, thanks for the detailed and informative storage directions. I was concerned because my dealer told me to just take out the battery and top off the gas. Seemed kind of strange because I do more than that just for my lawnmower. I guess he wants a commission on the repair next spring. I'm in PA and the winters have not been that bad the last few years but I don't want to take any chances with moisture. Thanks again! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 20:10:33 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Account Change / Storage Buy some gasoline treatment from your motorcycle or small engine dealer. Put it in the final tank of gas as per label instructions. Perform an oil and filter change as the last act of riding. Remove spark plugs (except that is a b....ch of a job on the PC) and pour a teaspoonful or so of OIL into the cylinder ... crank it over once or twice, put the plug back in. Put the bike on the center stand. Put a piece of wood under front tire to keep it away from direct contact with concrete floor. It MIGHT not hurt to install a cork into the exhaust pipe (to stop mice from building a nest in the muffler). Cover the thing with a soft sheet, then a plastic cover of some sort . (In case the guy's roof springs a leak or something like that). or ..... Go visit it once a week, start it up, talk to it. Take it for a ride if the streets are dry! Wes St.Onge ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:32:03 -0400 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Helix -Reply Hi Bryce: In a message dated 95-10-25 17:29:10 EDT, you write: >Top of her list is the Honda Helix scooter is she opts to start driving instead of riding. I've known several ladies (and one or two gentlemen) who have an love their Helix scooters. I've even toyed with the idea of getting one for local riding. You can tour on them, and they do quite well as long as you don't have a need to cruise at hyperlegal speeds. They are fine up to 65 to 70 mph, although they get a bit dicey in gusty crosswinds. For commuting, I can't think of anything that makes more sense. JT (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3330; Thu, 26 Oct 95 00:04:53 EDT UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2651; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:04:54 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 23:59:44 EDT From: Steve Amster Subject: Re: Helix -Reply To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu I have a white 86 Helix, now with 24K miles, essentially trouble free, which I used in South Georgia for commuting 10 miles per day to and from the hospital w here I was a physician. Looks at scooter out of curiousity in June 86, just af ter model's introduction. Immediately bought off the lot. Have also taken Hel ix one-up for short trips up to 450 miles per day. The scooter still draws lon g looks. Looking to add an ST1100 ABS to my stable for longer jaunts. Steve A mster--now the most aged law student in my class at University at South Carolin a, Columbia,SC. (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:58:23 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:58:23 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply HELIX????? sheesh..at least get her on a nighthawk or something.... -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Thu Oct 26 01:04:11 1995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:04:00 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:04:00 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply >HELIX????? > >sheesh..at least get her on a nighthawk or something.... > The Helix does look pretty cool, & you can frequently park them on the sidewalk without getting a ticket..... I think Leanne could handle the PC w/o any trouble *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:23:39 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Helix JT writes: >I've known several ladies (and one or two gentlemen) who have an love their >Helix scooters. I've even toyed with the idea of getting one for local >riding. You can tour on them, and they do quite well as long as you don't >have a need to cruise at hyperlegal speeds. They are fine up to 65 to 70 >mph, although they get a bit dicey in gusty crosswinds. They also have the "auto crosswind correcting" feature we were talking about earlier this week. I've put about 30,000 miles on mine, a lot of that two-up, on the highway, and until the PC came along I didn't see another bike I wanted to replace it. The overall design of the machine is astounding; the transmission is matched to the engine perfectly, the controls and indicators are in exactly the right place, and the recumbent riding position just *forces* you to look cool. With some camping gear on the passenger seat, it was like sitting with your feet up on a couch that happened to be going where you wanted to go at 60mph. The PC comes in a close second- my main complaint with the controls that the turn-signal switch is a reach for your left thumb. It wasn't on the Helix- it was right under your thumb. (didn't self cancel though :-) The Helix's head-turning abilities are only surpassed by the PC, so I very much think of the one as being a bigger versionn of the other. The PC's often mistaken for a big scooter because although it doesn't have it, somehow it *looks* like it has a cut away midsection. Plus being covered with plastic gives it a scooter-like look. It's true, I did grind up the gearbox in my Helix, after doing a mountainous, several-hundred-mile-a-day trip with a rather portly opera singer passenger. We had a fantastic trip, but there was a faint but unpleasant whine in the gearbox at the end of the trip. I did the rebuild, the parts cost about 500$Cdn, now I'm trying to figure out if I want to sell the bike for around that, or what. I hate to see it just sitting on the bike pad outside our place. One fantasy I have is of getting a nice box for it, using it as a spare bike and shipping it to wherever I'm going on vacation. Hmmm. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:03:44 TZ Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply -Reply I guess I have work on the brain -- too many bug reports for Excel and Office going past my desk these last couple of days. Ack! Correction should read "big" not "bug". \"/ -bryceu ---------- | From: Neill Thompson | To: | Subject: RE: Aerostitch -Reply -Reply | Date: Wednesday, October 25, 1995 4:23PM | | >>> Bryce Ulrich 10/25/95 04:28am >>> | Leanne and have talked about it but she's really afraid of bug weight | | I find that the windshied is particularly effective in eliminating bug weight. | Stephanie doesn't have a windsheild on her bike and she gets bugs all | over her helmet but I remain free of bug weight. ;-) | | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:11:33 TZ Subject: Re: Helix Guess I touched off another discussion! I'm quite familiar with the Helix having come from a scooter background before getting my PC. In fact I'm still keeping my membership with the Scoot-Tours club (700 members!) just cause I like their newletter so much. Leanne picks it up from time to time and it gets her thinking. BTW: Motorcycle Consumer News just sponsored a Honda Helix rider this past Iron Butt. They finished 24th out of the 44 who finished. 11k miles I think. Should be an article soon on the whole experience. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:55:00 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Digest Is there a digest form of the PC800 mail ? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Digest Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:58:16 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "R" == RETREADNY writes: R> Is there a digest form of the PC800 mail ? No, and because I don't like dealing with digests there won't be unless someone else puts one out. You can still FTP the monthly archives from ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/pc800/list-archive. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:28:51 -0400 From: Spirit737@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fieldsher rainsuit I am also a Seattle err North Bend PC rider. Just bought a 96 a month or so ago. One of you guys mentioned a new rainsuit the other day. I wondered where you got it and how mucho lira it was? Thanks Mike with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:14:02 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:10:50 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Fieldsher rainsuit -Reply my 2 piece Dry Rider has done me well for about 5 years. Cost 65 or 70 back then - dont remember I get all that kinda stuff mail order, usually from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse >>> 10/26/95 09:28pm >>> I am also a Seattle err North Bend PC rider. Just bought a 96 a month or so ago. One of you guys mentioned a new rainsuit the other day. I wondered where you got it and how mucho lira it was? Thanks Mike (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:54:12 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:54:12 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Fieldsher rainsuit -Reply mike... I just got the new First Gear rain suit...$115 at the BMW shop by Greenlake...insulated, and COVERED with shiney reflective stuff..I feel very safe in it...then I went to the Army Surplus store and got a long sleeved insulated liner for $15...now I'm nice and warm...just gotta figure out how to keep the feet dry, and once I get the Rifle +2" and the Corbin seat, I'll be high and dry and warm...mmmmmm....electric vest......mmmmmm. dave -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (dkgross@halcyon.com) From owner-pc800 Fri Oct 27 07:05:34 1995 with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:05:50 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:03:51 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Can't fight adding to the thread... Can't fight adding to the thread... I rode scooters for 6 years, most of those on a Honda 250cc Elite ('86). Great commuter, with nice weather protection and storage. The Helix is a bit longer, has a front disk brake, is a bit heavier and is a better long distance bike. Traded the Elite for the PC. No regrets. Jan deRoos Comments: Authenticated sender is ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "John Palfery" To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:13:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Can't fight adding to the thread... Priority: normal I had a honda ELITE 250 too. Bought it to use as a motor pace vehicle for my son who was a national junior champ bicycle racer. I used it for comuting but found it rather light, particularly on the freeway, also not enought UMPH for safety on the SSlab. I believe the Helix has the same power plant and drive train as the Elite does it not? The Helix has an automatic cone pully drive does it not? The Elite was unbeatable arround town. My son is now in college so I traded the Elite last year for a new Yamaha Serow to do the Six Days of Michigan. I had a Lambretta (125cc I think) when a young college student in the UK. Scooters are FUN, PC800 is Much More Fun. John ________________________________________________________ John Palfery jpalfer@mail.atw.fullfeed.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:46:13 -0400 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fieldsher rainsuit -Reply I purchased a pair of Rain Gaitors from MotoPort. They seem to keep the feet dry while still leaving some traction on the shoe soles. They also keep the wind from blowing up the legs of the rainsuit (or Aerostich). They keep you warmer on COLD days too! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:26:39 -0500 From: FEHER1@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Weight I wanted to add a comment on the PC weight issue. I love my PC and the weight and size is no problem when I am riding. In fact, I moved up from a 450 and am much more comfortable on the 800. It handles beautifully! When the bike is not in motion, however, I definitely have a problem with the weight of the bike. Parking it and trying to maneuver it when stopped, is a real trial for me. I am 5'8" and not a *small* woman [that is certainly as detailed as I'm going to get with that description]. Maybe I'm just low on body strength or high on "wimpness", but it is the one drawback for the PC for me. Glad to hear it doesn't stop other women from riding. Kathy with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:39:32 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:37:24 -0400 From: JAN DEROOS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >>> 10/29/95 10:26am >>> >When the bike is not in motion, however, I definitely have a problem with the weight of the >bike. Parking it and trying to maneuver it when stopped, is a real trial for me. I am 5'8" and >not a *small* woman [that is certainly as detailed as I'm going to get with that description]. >Maybe I'm just low on body strength or high on "wimpness", but it is the one drawback for >the PC for me. Glad to hear it doesn't stop other women from riding. >Kathy I also struggle with the PC at low speeds and have come to appreciate the built-in crash bars. Moved up from a 250 cc scooter recently and have 'placed' the PC on it's side three times at speeds under 3 mph. Once the 600 lb. gets a little sideways, there's no stopping her. Makes you kinda sick inside until you realize that the good folks at Honda designed a good solution into the bike. Jan deRoos ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:43:33 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin for Sale Corbin PC800 seat for sale. Purchased new in mid 1994. Color coded to '89 model, but should look fine on other colors. Black with dark gray side panels and off-white piping. I can ship and accept M/C, VISA, NOVUS cards. $ 200.00 Call 607-432-2890 days or 607-638-5553 evenings. (East Coast). Wes St.Onge (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:58:29 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:58:29 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Corbin for Sale wes...why the sale?? mmmmm -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:00:03 -0500 From: law@corp1.cincom.com (Socket() to me) To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Greetings Greetings all, Being new to this list and according to the introductory instructions I received here is a brief profile: Name: Bill Law Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Email: blaw@cincom.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1989 Bought Used/New: New Modifications made to bike: Tall windshield and backrest Other than change the oil and filter the bike has not required any other maintenance. It's still starting and running fine on the original 1989 maintenance-free battery. I'm obviously a gentle rider because after 19,000 miles it still hasn't worn the original 1989 tires down to the wear bars yet. Cheers, Bill Law :-) blaw@cincom.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:25 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin for Sale Just bought a used Wing and will be selling the PC. The original seat was in very good condition so I decided to put it back on and sell the Corbin separately just to make a little more money :-). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:31 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: PC800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Corbin Seat Corbin seat sold. This Internet really works great. J.L. the seat will go out 10/31/95 via UPS. Thank you. Wes St.Onge ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 RETREADNY@aol.com wrote: > Corbin seat sold. This Internet really works great. J.L. the seat will go > out 10/31/95 via UPS. Thank you. > > Wes St.Onge > Thanks! From the heart of my bottom! ========================================================================= Johan Lai E Mail: jlai@filenet.com CCF Systems Admin Voice: (714) 850-5805 Engineering Services Pager: (714) 754-3120 FileNet Corporation MS Mail Users: Please use my email address above. Thanks. ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 30 Oct 95 20:01:49 EST From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:RETREADNY@aol.com" Cc: pc800 Subject: Corbin Seat Was the seat worth the money in your opinion? I have been thinking about getting one, but I'd like to know if it really makes a big difference. Thanks, Rusty ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:04:35 -0500 From: JTSMCRIDER@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Greetings Welcome aboard, Bill: In a message dated 95-10-30 14:16:01 EST, you write: >I'm obviously a gentle rider because after 19,000 miles it still hasn't worn the original 1989 tires down to the wear >bars yet. Wow! that's gentle riding for sure. I think I got about 8K out of my OE Dunlop rear and maybe twice that out of the front. The first Metzler rear lasted about 12K, I think. My wife's '90 looks like it might get 10K to 12K out of its OE Dunlop rear. Of course, we ride the PCs almost exclusively at highway speeds, and the rears can be expected to go away pretty quickly with that kind of loading as a steady diet. I have no idea whether our experience is typical for the PC; what say you all out there? JT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:22:57 -0500 From: HTBIII@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Replacing speakers As promised, here is the report on replacing speakers (those of you who prefer silence or didn't have the foresight to order the factory stereo can skip this message). I guess many of you already are aware of the mechanical procedure recounted below (that would explain the dearth of replies to my initial inquiry), so here's the scoop: I ordered the basic replacement speakers from Cycle Comm, which turned out to be Profile brand (model unknown), dual cone, rated at 40 watts/ch. replacement was simple. Performance seems better than stock (not hard to do, especially when stock speakers self-destructed by having a hole eaten in the cone by some unknown supernatural force: rain?). But it's still not _great_. Good enough for me, though: I just listen to the news on the way to work and some music on the way home. Replacing the speakers is a 2-step process. (Step 1) Remove the dashboard cover (black plastic). Below each speaker is a small (3/4" high x 2" long) black plastic panel with a slot in one side. Stick a flathead screwdriver in the slot to pry the rectangular piece out, revealing a single (philips) screw holding the dashboard cover on each side. Remove the screws and _gently_ pry the top lip of the dashboard cover from its plastic clips. The piece comes right off, with the speaker grilles attached. You should see your naked speakers attached with 4 philips screws each. (Step 2) Remove and replace each speaker. Unscrew each of the four attachment screws to loosen the speaker. Be careful: the attachment screws only hold on to metal clips attached to small flimsy plastic edges, which may break (one of mine had rotted off even before I tried to unscrew the units); also, the metal clips can work loose and disappear in the PC bodywork, so keep an eye on those pieces. Once the screws are removed, pull the speakers out of the housing and pull the speaker cables from the connectors (note which is attached to the larger connector so you can duplicate the setup). I found that the cable ends were too loose and had to be crimped tighter for the replacement units. Slip them onto the connectors on the new speakers, then reassemble everything (I decided it would be a good idea to be sure the whole setup worked before putting all the screws and plastic back together). Be sure your screws are tight enough to prevent rattling, vibration can get real annoying when your stereo buzzes along with all the bodywork!. Lovin' the sounds, Tom Byron (htbiii@aol.com) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Replacing speakers Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:36:00 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "H" == HTBIII writes: H> As promised, here is the report on replacing speakers (those of you who H> prefer silence or didn't have the foresight to order the factory stereo H> can skip this message). Yeah, well I would have ordered the factory stereo but they stopped making it some years ago. What a pain; they leave inviting places to put speakers but don't bother to sell the stereo. I might rig something of my own up but I think it would look pretty foolish without the right grilles. If anyone has a line on nice grilles or some handlebar-mounted controls I'd love to know about it. H> Lovin' the sounds, Can you actually hear anything at speed? At about average Houston traffic speeds (75mi/h or so) I can barely hear myself think. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:01:42 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Jlai Bottom of your what? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:01:50 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Greetings I think that I probably got 11,000 or so out of the K177's on my bike. My driving would typically be at 55 or under (mostly under), one-up, gentle acceleration, some twisty riding (but my pegs are unscathed). Need the 4th set soon! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:01:49 -0500 From: RETREADNY@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Yes, I think the Corbin was probably worth it. It has a better contour and has a lowering effect by letting the legs drop straighter down when stopped. The backrest is nice, and a real plus for some would be the MUCH better passenger section. Really contoured to make a passenger feel more secure (cradled). I have a bony butt so for LONG rides, I went one step further. I had an Allyn Air Seat left over from KZ440 days. I separated the front portion of the AAS and sat on that. I could easily take 10 to 12 hour days in the saddle without being sore. One day? I even did an 18 hour ride. My shoulder's were a little sore at the end from nighttime deer watch tension, but my butt was fine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:14:40 -0600 Tue, 31 Oct 1995 8:14:33 -0500 (EST) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: "Waldo E. Meeks" Subject: Re: Replacing speakers >Yeah, well I would have ordered the factory stereo but they stopped making >it some years ago. What a pain; they leave inviting places to put speakers >but don't bother to sell the stereo. I might rig something of my own up >but I think it would look pretty foolish without the right grilles. If >anyone has a line on nice grilles or some handlebar-mounted controls I'd >love to know about it. > >H> Lovin' the sounds, >Can you actually hear anything at speed? At about average Houston traffic >speeds (75mi/h or so) I can barely hear myself think. I put a volt gauge in the place where the left speaker would go and it looks factory and works great. I use bass monster speakers in my helmet and use a digital tuning personnel radio/tape player stuck in a small bag suction cupped to the top of the fake gas tank. Works great. Two AA batteries last a long time. Waldo GSU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Replacing speakers Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:40:04 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "WEM" == Waldo E Meeks writes: WEM> I put a volt gauge in the place where the left speaker would go and it WEM> looks factory and works great. Yeah, if I could do that with a clock and a compass I'd be really happy. WEM> I use bass monster speakers in my helmet and use a digital tuning WEM> personnel radio/tape player stuck in a small bag suction cupped to the WEM> top of the fake gas tank. I have some good Sony headphones embedded in my helmet and have a portable CD player (with shock protection) in the map pouch of my tank bag. The bag is wired into the electrical system. The only thing I'd like more is a remote of some kind. The portable has a wireless remote that's completely useless. I can reach all of the controls easily except the volume. If I could hack in some pod mounted controls I'd be set. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 10:21:12 TZ Subject: Re: Corbin Seat I also recently purchased a Corbin saddle and am very happy. The saddle is firmer and I was a bit hesitant at first. However they contoured the saddle and used different densities of foam to create a saddle that let's my butt outlast the rest of my body on a long ride. My lady friend on the back REALLY likes the countoured saddle and larger backrest. Her neck now gives out from her helmet blowing in the wind before her tail-end gets sore. The adjustable lumbar support really helps to hold you on when accelerating or doing the twisties agressively. No more sliding forward and back. The seat is wider with very firm edges. At first I found it a bit annoying to have the saddle pressed hard against my inner thighs when standing up. I've since changed my mind because the firmness of the saddle edge sure makes it easier to back the bike up on an incline. With the legs pressing against the saddle I have much more leverage. The saddle is lower they say by 1 1/2" inches so I now sit a bit more upright instead of over the bars and have less pressure on the hands. The passenger seat is higher than stock and the combined effect is a better view for the co-rider in the back. I do have a few gripes. The fit is really snug making it tough to get the side panels off without removing the drivers seat. The back edge of the driver seat has an overhang that covers the two mounting bolts. It's too snug to get a box end wrench on them so I have to use an open one and do a few turns at a time. The trunk lid also rubbed the back edge of the drivers seat and started to tear a little hole. I used a dremmel to shave off the edges and now all is fine. I've considered calling Corbin about fixing the overhang problem and asking to fix the small tear caused by the rubbing. Without that overhang there never would have been any friction to cause a tear. I've ridden 3500 miles in the six weeks since I installed it. Very, very happy with the ride. In fact, anyone wanna buy my old one? I will also part with the Hondaline passenger backrest. Email me direct and make an offer. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 31 Oct 95 14:24:09 EST From: Russell Jackson <73370.1672@compuserve.com> To: pc800 Subject: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks Thanks for all the replies on the Corbin seat. I think you have convinced me; all I have to do now is convince my wife that is what I need for Christmas along with a Rifle windshield of course! Rusty (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:13:23 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:13:23 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks >Thanks for all the replies on the Corbin seat. I think you have convinced me; >all I have to do now is convince my wife that is what I need for Christmas along >with a Rifle windshield of course! . . . _and_ an Aerostich riding suit! %> *** Steve Gross, Seattle, WA Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer. *** (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:47:40 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:47:40 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks ....drooooool....aerostitch....... -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:47:33 -0800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:47:33 -0800 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: dkgross@halcyon.com (David Gross) Subject: Re: Corbin Seat Info - Thanks rusty...have your wife send me one too :>) -------------------------------- Dave Gross & Baron George Von Helldog "It's gotta groove..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 00:52:39 -0500 From: HTBIII@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Hearing things (was "Replacing speakers") In a message dated 95-10-31 02:42:17 EST, tibbs@sina.hpc.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes: >Can you actually hear anything at speed? At about average Houston traffic >speeds (75mi/h or so) I can barely hear myself think. > > - J< Well, I rarely travel that fast in my commute (about 7.5 miles, which usually takes 20 minutes - you do the math). But even at my normal highway touring speeds (around 70 mph), I have no trouble hearing a well-tuned station. The PC has a great cockpit air pocket, which ends right at the driver's back (my wife can hear nothing above 45 mph). I am always impressed by the overall design performance: great protection from rain, road grime, etc. & great comfort due to te excellent wind blockage. I don't know if anyone offers aftermarket kits for the PC800, although I'm sure J&M would set you up, for the right price! Tom Byron (htbiii@aol.com) 90 PC800 (red) Arlington, VA