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Date:     Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:33 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Repost: Hondaline accessories parts #'

I know this is in the archives, but I thought it would be easier for 
Matthew if I just did a quick re-post.

Cory

>From: Roger Prince:DGC
>Date: ## 05/13/95 08:38 ##
>This is a list I received 6-4-91.  Availability and prices have to be 
>checked out with a dealer.
>     P/N         H/C     Description                S/R
> 
>08126-MR500    3125473   Rear Spoiler             167.99
>08126-MR510    3125481   Saddlebag Spoiler        171.14
>08118-MR500    3202173   Audio System             577.45
>08162-MR500    3143286   Trunk Light               34.60
>08706-MR500    3402989   Nose Mask                 49.95
>08154-MR500    3393097   Large Windscreen         194.20
>08154-MR520    3379179   Windscreen Mount          12.08
>08111-MR500    3125465   Backrest                 134.99
>08361-MR500    3178837   Body Cover                78.70
>08162-MR510    3178845   Inner Bag Set             52.45
>08162-MR530    3178852   Scuff Pad Kit             34.95
>08162-MR520    3125507   Trim Kit                  26.24
>08156-MR500    3125499   Front Mudguard            26.24
>08172-MR500    3178829   Trunk Interior Mats       19.95
>These are followed by color-matched helmet nos. at 199.95.
>Enjoy.  Roger
>
><Original text message attached as document>
>
>This fellow, RobbRacer@aol.com offers to obtain Honda parts at 20% off
>list, with no shipping charge.  He needs the part numbers, however.  I have
>no easy way of getting the part numbers.  If anyone can please look up the
>numbers, I will be glad to obtain a quote.  In fact, if other people are
>interested in ordering, perhaps he will give a larger percentage off, for a
>quantity order.   
> 
>So, if anyone is interested in adding to the order, please give me a rough
>idea of what you want.  I will then negotiate for a percentage discount,
>and let you know the result.  You can handle the actual order etc. directly
>with him.  For clarity, direct your response directly to me by e-mail, and
>place the word ORDER in capital letters in the subject.  Here are the parts
>I'd like numbers for.  I don't know that Honda actually sells all of these
>items. 
> 
>Backrest 
>Cycle Cover 
>Front wheel mud guard 
>Hondaline radio 
>Seat cover 
>Inner Trunk Bags 
>Rear luggage rack 
>Clear Scuff Pads  
>Inner trunk light  
>Carpet mat set, Trunk 
> 
>Thanks, 
>Jeff
>Subj:  OEM parts 20% off shipped 2 U         95-04-02 23:30:35 EDT 
>From:  RobbRacer 
> 
>I can get factory Honda parts shipped to your door in three to four
>working days, with no tax and including shipping. When you add it up it's
>really like 35% off. If interested don't post but call 904-378-0331 or mail
>RobbRacer< 
> 
>Robb, 
> 
> Thanks for responding, 
>     I can get you the parts, but must have the part numbers. Payment is
>made 
>by credit card, and the parts are directly shipped to you. The price will
>be exactly 20% off the list price. When you get the part numbers, they should 
>also tell you the list price. Take off 20% and remember there is no tax and
>shipping is free. I can usually get you the parts in 3-4 working days. 
>   Thanks, 
>     Rob 
>                P.S. If you would like to speak to me you can by calling 
>904-378-0331, and leave a message. 
 
 
 
 


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Date:     Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:22 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: Oil Level Question

Juan,

I had the exact same problem, but solved it by drilling a 1/2" hole in the case
as long as no oil comes out the level is OK........If oils dribbles it's too
high.  Works very nicely, but I keep wrecking when I make right turns.....
the rear wheel just keeps sliding out from under me. :-(

Just kidding, sorry, couldn't resist!  Seriously, are you SUPPOSE TO
CHECK THE OIL?

Cory

From owner-pc800  Tue Aug  1 00:34:28 1995

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Date:     Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:16 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re: New Pacific Coast Owner

>Cory, do you happen to know the prices of the accessories you cited -
>the one dealer i have gone to for prices has given me different prices
>each time i ask - the trunk carpet has ranged in price from $12.00 to
>$34.00
>
>Thanks
>Matthew


Matthew,

Not sure about most of the prices, as what I have I bought three or more years
ago.  Can't remember the price for the cover at all.  I think the trunk light
kit is in the neighborhood of $35.00.  The backrest is in the neighborhood of
$150.00.  Some other stuff came through the net a while back about PC 
accessories.  I'll re-post the thing.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Tue Aug  1 07:06:52 1995

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 08:07:00 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Forwarded: Repost: Hondaline accessories parts #'           


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/01/95 08:05 ##
This is an update to my original list which had outdated prices.
 
P/N            Description         C.A.      E.C.      C.D.
08111-MR500    Backrest            155.88    120.00    120.00
08162-MR510    Inner Bag Set       51.88     60.80     45.60
08162-MR530    Scuff Pad Kit       33.88     39.20     29.40
08712-MR500    Trunk Interior Mats 23.88     24.80     18.60
61MR503        '95 Shop Manual               44.42     33.31
14MR5KEG ??    89-96 ufiche                  10.00      3.70
 
C.A. Competition Accessories       1-800-543-4707
E.C. East Coast Warehouse          1-800-544-4814
C.D. Cycle Design, Phillipston, MA 01331     1-508-244-2244
Note:  The C.A. prices are from recent mag ads.  The others were 
valid a few weeks ago.  C.D. also has '95 PC800 for $6699.
 
Roger

<Original text message attached as document>
                                   

CEO document contents:  
I know this is in the archives, but I thought it would be easier for 
Matthew if I just did a quick re-post.

Cory

>From: Roger Prince:DGC
>Date: ## 05/13/95 08:38 ##
>This is a list I received 6-4-91.  Availability and prices have to be 
>checked out with a dealer.
>     P/N         H/C     Description                S/R
> 
>08126-MR500    3125473   Rear Spoiler             167.99
>08126-MR510    3125481   Saddlebag Spoiler        171.14
>08118-MR500    3202173   Audio System             577.45
>08162-MR500    3143286   Trunk Light               34.60
>08706-MR500    3402989   Nose Mask                 49.95
>08154-MR500    3393097   Large Windscreen         194.20
>08154-MR520    3379179   Windscreen Mount          12.08
>08111-MR500    3125465   Backrest                 134.99
>08361-MR500    3178837   Body Cover                78.70
>08162-MR510    3178845   Inner Bag Set             52.45
>08162-MR530    3178852   Scuff Pad Kit             34.95
>08162-MR520    3125507   Trim Kit                  26.24
>08156-MR500    3125499   Front Mudguard            26.24
>08172-MR500    3178829   Trunk Interior Mats       19.95
>These are followed by color-matched helmet nos. at 199.95.
>Enjoy.  Roger
>
><Original text message attached as document>
>
>This fellow, RobbRacer@aol.com offers to obtain Honda parts at 20% off
>list, with no shipping charge.  He needs the part numbers, however.  I have
>no easy way of getting the part numbers.  If anyone can please look up the
>numbers, I will be glad to obtain a quote.  In fact, if other people are
>interested in ordering, perhaps he will give a larger percentage off, for a
>quantity order.   
> 
>So, if anyone is interested in adding to the order, please give me a rough
>idea of what you want.  I will then negotiate for a percentage discount,
>and let you know the result.  You can handle the actual order etc. directly
>with him.  For clarity, direct your response directly to me by e-mail, and
>place the word ORDER in capital letters in the subject.  Here are the parts
>I'd like numbers for.  I don't know that Honda actually sells all of these
>items. 
> 
>Backrest 
>Cycle Cover 
>Front wheel mud guard 
>Hondaline radio 
>Seat cover 
>Inner Trunk Bags 
>Rear luggage rack 
>Clear Scuff Pads  
>Inner trunk light  
>Carpet mat set, Trunk 
> 
>Thanks, 
>Jeff
>Subj:  OEM parts 20% off shipped 2 U         95-04-02 23:30:35 EDT 
>From:  RobbRacer 
> 
>I can get factory Honda parts shipped to your door in three to four
>working days, with no tax and including shipping. When you add it up it's
>really like 35% off. If interested don't post but call 904-378-0331 or mail
>RobbRacer< 
> 
>Robb, 
> 
> Thanks for responding, 
>     I can get you the parts, but must have the part numbers. Payment is
>made 
>by credit card, and the parts are directly shipped to you. The price will
>be exactly 20% off the list price. When you get the part numbers, they should 
>also tell you the list price. Take off 20% and remember there is no tax and
>shipping is free. I can usually get you the parts in 3-4 working days. 
>   Thanks, 
>     Rob 
>                P.S. If you would like to speak to me you can by calling 
>904-378-0331, and leave a message. 
 
 
 
 


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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 08:56:54 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Prices - PartII+

Competition Accessories lists the Trunk Light at 28.88.
I use the E-Z Touring Traveller Sz A cover.  It is a half cover made 
of ripstop nylon, a quality product.  Apparently the thief on Prince 
Edward Island thought so, so I've bought 2.  At 1-800-443-1443.  It 
packs in its pouch at 6"x6"x2"-3".  It even can be returned to its 
pouch without special folding.  Works fine with or without backrest.
 
Roger




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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 16:53:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Scott Johnson <johnson_s@epivax.epi.umn.edu>
Subject: PC Wanabe
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Hello folks,
My name is Scott Johnson.  I have had a Honda Silverwing for many years.  As of lately, not 
an hour passes that I don't dream of a PC800.  I live in St. Paul, MN.  Is there anyone (within 
a couple hundred miles) who would like to sell me a used one?  Or, are there any suggestions 
as to where to look for a used PC800?  Thanks in advance, Scott.  
johnson_s@epivax.epi.umn.edu



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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 15:42:30 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: PC Wanabe

>Hello folks,
>My name is Scott Johnson.  I have had a Honda Silverwing for many years.
As of lately, not 
>an hour passes that I don't dream of a PC800.  I live in St. Paul, MN.  Is
there anyone (within 
>a couple hundred miles) who would like to sell me a used one?  Or, are
there any suggestions 
>as to where to look for a used PC800?  Thanks in advance, Scott.  
>johnson_s@epivax.epi.umn.edu
>
>
Hi Scott,
I've often thought that the Pacific Coast corresponds to the Silver Wing in
that the engine is about half the size of the Gold Wing.  I'll keep an eye
out.  Periodically they turn up in the Honda Sport Touring Assn. Newsletter
but the latest issue did not have any.  I'm assuming that you're checking
Cycle Trader. There seems to be one of those in every metro area.  I got my
'94 (new) through a dealer ad in Cycle Trader.  I can post a wanted note in
the AOL/Cycle World forum if you give me permission to post your email
address there.  You should try to specify what you are looking for, ie.
Year, price range.  The used ones seem to go for somewhere in the $4000+
range.  How far are you willing to travel?  


 03 Aug 1995 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 20:39:59 -0800
From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain)
Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

>> My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-).
>
>OK, how do you have it positioned? Which side and orientation? Ruby has
>consented to let me ride her PC to work tomorrow. I'll have to jack the
>suspension preload up to 3 or 4. . . .

Thanks for the opportunity to correct my original posting :-).  My size is
XL not XXL but the helmet fits easily.

I put it in the left compartment, upside down, and with the faceshield
facing the front of the bike.

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From: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:16:59 -0500
        "PC800: PC Wanabe" (Aug  3,  4:53pm)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC Wanabe
Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson)

On Aug 3,  4:53pm, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Subject: PC Wanabe
> Hello folks,
> My name is Scott Johnson.  I have had a Honda Silverwing for many years.  As
of lately, not
> an hour passes that I don't dream of a PC800.  I live in St. Paul, MN.  Is
there anyone (within
> a couple hundred miles) who would like to sell me a used one?  Or, are there
any suggestions
> as to where to look for a used PC800?  Thanks in advance, Scott.
> johnson_s@epivax.epi.umn.edu
>
>-- End of excerpt from Scott Johnson

Scott,

Hello from Rochester...check out Trimbles Cycle in Austin, 507-437-6661.
At one time last year they had three used PC800's for sale.  The last
time I checked, they were very liberal about test rides.

There is also a Honda dealer in Frontenac, near Red Wing at 612-388-5607,
but I don't know much about them.

Also, check out ALL the dealers in the twin cities area...a couple of
years back, a friend of mine shopped around for a V65 Sabre...he got
the yellow pages and called every dealer.  He found a few from the
various dealers and was able to bargain for the best one.

later

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 04:46:17 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: New Member

I am new to the PC800 mail list and would like to introduce myself.

My name is Ted Johnson. I live in Wilmington Delaware.  I own a Suzuki RF600
and my wife owns a Kawasaki Ninja 250.  Of late my wife (Ann) has developed
what appears to be a passion for the PC800 and, if that passion continues
after she takes a demo ride this week, I intend to buy one for her.  (I
realized that she is seriously interested when I found her rearranging the
garage to see if we could make enough space to store one.)

My only real concern is the large size and, more importantly, the weight of
the bike for a relatively small (but strong) woman (5'4") whose sole
experience (except for a few tries on my 600) has been on a 250.  Are there
any women riding PC's out there who can lend a bit of advice on this subject?
 

Regards,
            <<TED>>

 06 Aug 1995 19:30:11 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 19:28:23 -0800
From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain)
Subject: New stuff for the PC800!
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I just installed a new set of Metzler ML2s on my PC800.  The original (I
assume) Dunlops only lasted 6,000 miles.  I bought the bike about 6 months
ago with only 2,300 miles on it.  It has been a busy (and hot!) weekend so
I have not been able to put many miles on them but wanted to express my
thanks to the experience of this mailing list helping me select the right
tires!

I also threw caution to the wind and purchased a radio Chatterbox (I've
been using the intercom matchbox version).  This required me to replace the
old speaker/mic harnesses (with the old style plug) with a new harness that
has the 6 pin Din(?) connector.

I'll report a bit more after I have a chance to break in the new tires and
Chatterbox :-).

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:58:47 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: New Member

Ted & Ann,

>My only real concern is the large size and, more importantly, the weight of
>the bike for a relatively small (but strong) woman (5'4") whose sole
>experience (except for a few tries on my 600) has been on a 250.  Are there
>any women riding PC's out there who can lend a bit of advice on this subject?
> 
Welcome, guys!

I wouldn't worry too much about about the size thing.  I'm 5'4-1/2", and
have little trouble with the bike.  Of course, like everything else, it's a
bal;ance thing. I think you'll both be pleasantly surprised by the PC.

Steve



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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 04:55:40 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

>>Just get her the damn thing..and while your at it...trade the RF for an
ST1100 for yourself! <<

While I don't intend to trade the RF in on it, I am very interested in an
ST1100 for myself if the PC works out for my wife.  You hit the nail on the
head there.

Thanks for the tip on the Corbin Seat.  They have a very good reputation (I
have on coming for the RF, BTW) and the news that it drops the seat height by
1 1/2 inches may make that a necessity.  Is the installation a direct
replacement for the original seat as it is for most sport bikes?

>> is she getting a new black one?? Might want to wait for the 96's...they're
the same cool red as the ST1000...I have a Pearl  <<

She is getting the black one which is the one she wants.  She was talking
about waiting until next year until she heard that the 96's are more
expensive and will be red. When we went back to the dealership yesterday,
they had one of the new red ones sitting next to the "old" black one.  It
really made the need to buy immediate.

Thanks for all your feedback.  I really appreciate it!



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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 05:04:51 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

>> I wouldn't worry too much about about the size thing.  I'm 5'4-1/2", and
have little trouble with the bike.<<

Steve,

Thanks for the input.  Ann is practicing on my Suzuki to get used to a
heavier bike (though a very different type of bike, to put it mildly). You
have given me confidence that she'll be all right. I'd hate to spend over 7K
on something that she really couldn't use.  Of course, if she gets
comfortable on it, I'm in real trouble since she has big ideas about how and
where she's going to use it...




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From: Roger_Prince@DGC.ceo.dg.com
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 07:24:16 est
To: TedJ101@aol.com, pc800@MSC.ceo.dg.com, pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Reply to: Re: New Member                                    


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/07/95 07:24 ##
The Corbin seat is lower when you're riding but it is wider so when 
it comes to put your feet on the ground  it's a wash and may even be 
more difficult to reach the ground.  Definitely try one first.  Where 
are you located?
Roger


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From: TedJ101@aol.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 08/07/95 04:55 ##
>>Just get her the damn thing..and while your at it...trade the RF for an
ST1100 for yourself! <<

While I don't intend to trade the RF in on it, I am very interested in an
ST1100 for myself if the PC works out for my wife.  You hit the nail on the
head there.

Thanks for the tip on the Corbin Seat.  They have a very good reputation (I
have on coming for the RF, BTW) and the news that it drops the seat height by
1 1/2 inches may make that a necessity.  Is the installation a direct
replacement for the original seat as it is for most sport bikes?

>> is she getting a new black one?? Might want to wait for the 96's...they're
the same cool red as the ST1000...I have a Pearl  <<

She is getting the black one which is the one she wants.  She was talking
about waiting until next year until she heard that the 96's are more
expensive and will be red. When we went back to the dealership yesterday,
they had one of the new red ones sitting next to the "old" black one.  It
really made the need to buy immediate.

Thanks for all your feedback.  I really appreciate it!





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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Tires (was Re: New stuff for the PC800!)
	     (from _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain))
	     (at Sun, 06 Aug 1995 19:28:23 -0800)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 09:49:56 CST

Hi Harrison (Harrison Spain), in <v01510100ac4b375c3111@[134.244.16.117]> on Aug 06 you wrote:

> I just installed a new set of Metzler ML2s on my PC800.  The original (I
> assume) Dunlops only lasted 6,000 miles.  I bought the bike about 6 months
> ago with only 2,300 miles on it.  It has been a busy (and hot!) weekend so
> I have not been able to put many miles on them but wanted to express my
> thanks to the experience of this mailing list helping me select the right
> tires!

Speaking of tires, I gave up trying to find an MEZ1 for the front.
Had it on backorder for several months, and the MEZ1 was in the list
of the shortage of certain Metzelers.  After much handwringing and
talking to net owners of 600lb front-heavy bikes, I decided to go 
with the Bridgestone Battlaxe BT-50 - street compound. I've been
riding about a week along with a new ML2 on the rear. Haven't had 
a chance to get it out on the road and push it yet, but I will say
the first time I rode it (on the tight twisties near my home) I was
doing an easy 10mph faster than with the ME33 Radial, and this was
tippy-toeing around because I wasn't familiar with the tire and I
still hadn't scuffed the tire up!  With the ME33 (bias & radial),
you don't get neutral steering - the rear tends to push the bike
out of a lean so you have to always keep the thing down. With the
Battlaxe, the bike has almost neutral steering and it feels like
that ML2 is sitting on the inside, pulling the bike into the turn
instead of of trailing behind and flopping around like normal.  The
bike requires almost no steering input to drop it into a corner now.
Pretty much just thinking about turning results in enough pressure 
to turn the bike. And it tracks a corner *much* better than the 
ME33R. Smoother and stickier.

I have this interesting right-hand turn with a drop-off at the 
entrance to work. The road is always very slick and the turn has
a little off-camber bump just past the apex of the turn, followed
by this quick drop. It provides a pretty good indication of how
well a bike handles in that it is a challenge to take it at 
anything more than SLOW. Leaning a bike over with this corner is
a fairly treacherous undertaking.  But not any more. :^)

Still don't know how it handles under higher speeds though, and also 
don't know if there are any detrimental effects due to the different
tires front and back (different brand and bias vs radial).  However,
at this point the two tires seem to work together better than the 
ML2 and either ME33 ever did.

The only other time I have experienced such a radical change on a 
bike due to tires was when I tried out the first ME33's on my old 
SR650.

I think I'm gonna like this tire...

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:07:02 -0400
From: NThompso@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

Ted, 
 Howdy.  I qrew up in Wilmington and still have family there.  I am in
Phoenix now.  Drop me a line directly and we can swap details without boring
everybody.  Obomoto.  I went from a '82 Honda CM200T to a '94 PC800 about a
year ago.  I love the PC.  It was really intimidating at first and I am sorry
to say that I have had more tip-overs than I care to admit.  I am about 5'-8"
and 135#.  One thing that impressed me when I first moved up to the PC was
that once it started to roll it became very stable and managable but standing
still or backing up or other parking manuvers can be touchy.  The crashbar
covers are a blessing but if you 'use' them, wait a while before you replace
them.  At about $35 apiece, it can get expensive if you replace them after
each scuffing.  

  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 22:16:14 -0700

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 22:16:14 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: New Member
 Of course, if she gets

>comfortable on it, I'm in real trouble since she has big ideas about how and
>where she's going to use it...
>
My brother & I did 200 miles Saturday...... We've done 500 in one day.....
you're in real trouble.


Steve



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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Another new member
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 2:18:47 WST

Hi all!  After I sold my '83 CBX650, I got a '90 pearl white PC800, with only
6,500 miles on odometer.  The bike is "basically" in good condition, despite
those minor scratches on every protectors and bumpers.  
Besides, I'm not happy with the fuel consumption, approx. 105 miles/tank of
98 octane unleaded gas!  I expect for a better fuel consumption after oil
changes and new filters.  Also, the engine sounds bad on idle, I think it
needs a carb. sync.  Hows yours?
Too bad I missed your previous discussion on rubbers, any suggestions?  I
found the stock DUNLOPs are poor on wet.
Last thing, about customization, besides RobbRacer, that 20% discount man,
any other good places?  
Thanks in advanced!


-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 21:56:24 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Vermont/NH trip

Howdy. =20

This is just a small trip report, it was a pretty small trip.  We were=
 three; me on the PC with a big duffle bag, my buddy on the 500cc Magna 30=
 with medium size nylon saddlebags and a short backpack strapped to the back=
 of his backrest, and a friend on his BMW K100 RT 1000 and its suitcases & a=
 duffle bag.

The Magna's saddlebags had clothing for two guys, the backpack was kitchen=
 gear, and my duffle bag was house -- groundsheet, tent, sleeping bag and=
 blanket, air mattresses.  One bin of the PC's trunk was tools & equipment;=
 celphone, spare bungees, Rain-X &c, the other had stuff that we'd want at=
 the moment at stops- sunscreen, raingear, wallets, jackets when it got too=
 hot to wear'em.  Our Beemer buddy had all of his own gear.

I started out with the duffle bag -- green canvas, about 3' long -- lying=
 across the passenger seat.  But as soon as I started driving I discovered=
 that it totally blocked the rearview mirrors, so I strapped it on=
 lengthways, hanging over the small backrest, which looked really stupid,=
 and I hated it through the whole trip.  But I couldn't pack down any more=
 than we were and I didn't have any other bags to arrange things=
 differently.  Opening and closing the trunk with the bag -- 20 or 30 pounds=
 -- bungeed to the hand grips on wasn't a problem, but I felt like I should=
 be careful with it.  Still, it made a perfect adjustable backrest and I=
 really appreciated that.

On the first day, we left on Friday after work, and drove 300km (180mi) to=
 Moncton, New Brunswick, and stayed with a friend.  The next day we did=
 about three times that to camp at the excellent KOA in Canaan, Maine, near=
 Skowhegan.  But about 60 miles of it was the unbelievably bad Maine Airline=
 Highway, which is worth, in trucks, gravel, mud, and striated pavement,=
 several times its length in stress.  As much as I love my PC, I am=
 terrified on mud and drive extremely conservatively.   The next morning,=
 between the time zone change and the brilliant sunshine we were up at 0530h=
 and on the road by 0630h; we drove an hour and had breakfast in a diner in=
 Farmington, and were at our friend's place in Windsor, Vermont, just afer=
 lunch (and headed for the beach!)

We stayed for a week and did a lot of two-up riding with our friends,=
 winding up and down the wonderful mountainous twisties that the area has to=
 offer.  New Hampshire ("Live Free Or Die") doesn't require helmets, Vermont=
 does; our friends live in Vermont, about 3 miles from the border but hadn't=
 bothered to get their own helmets so we compromised with them wearing=
 bicycle helmets, and doing the 2-up driving in NH.  Our Beemer friend took=
 off early as planned.

Had some extremely wet days; of course I stayed mostly dry and my buddy on=
 the Magna got soaked any time there was any water whatsoever.

On the ride back, we cheated and did a 3-hour drive to Portland, Maine, and=
 took the overnight ferry (267$US for two cycles, two guys, and a room with=
 a shared bath! ouch!) and did the 3-hour drive from Yarmouth to Halifax. =
 The ferry had our two Hondas, a Hog, a Kawasaki and a Beemer.

Mechanical stuff: de nada.  I had put the new muffler on the day before we=
 left and it purred the whole trip.  One of the fun things about a PC is the=
 number of people who come running to tell me that I've left the headlight=
 on, when the motor's running.  One morning after heavy rain, my buddy's=
 Magna started missing severely about a mile down the road after gassing up=
 (which it has done before when the ignition control unit got damp) we=
 nursed it to another garage and dumped in some gas line antifreeze=
 (California guys- I can explain this in private mail) and it was happy; the=
 PC didn't have any problems, probably because the Magna got all the water=
 that was in the hose or tank or whatever.

We stopped about every hour, but still near the end of the day I started=
 squirming with a sore butt.  I tried a bunch of positions, and the most=
 enjoyable one was with my sneakered feet up on the front rollbar covers and=
 my wrists resting on my knees.  Also rode some with my feet back on the=
 passenger pegs, and briefly tried lying on the gas tank with my ankles=
 resting on the back rollbar covers, which was fun except my travelling=
 companions said it looked so stupid they wouldn't be seen with me.

On the highways we cruised around 110km/h, about 65 mph, and off we stuck=
 pretty close to the speed limits.

The three bikes, the PC 800, the Magna 500, and the BMW 1100, got amazingly=
 similar mileage, usually within a few pennies per fillup.  The Beemer has a=
 22 litre tank, the PC's 16l, and Magna's 13.5l, so we had to stop when it=
 needed gas, about every 200km, er, 125 miles, and all got about 5.6l/100km,=
 you can work out the miles per American or Imperial gallon.  Total trip was=
 2400km, about 1500 miles.

--

I don't have a throttle lock; I had to wear gloves or my right hand would=
 start to ache after a couple of hours on the throttle.  I also managed=
 somehow to do a dime-sized tear in the top of the small passenger backrest=
 cover, that's annoying.

Next time:
 - get a better duffle bag, a more square shape that still does duty as a
   backrest and looks less stupid.
 - front flip-out pegs would be nice.  I wasn't worried that my sneakers=20
   would scratch the front rollbar covers, but they're just a teeny bit
   narrow to be comfortable.

My tall Rifle windscreen is getting picks in it where gravel hits; they=
 don't obstruct vision except for catching sunlight like tiny prisms.

--
Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada




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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 23:05:09 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Vancouver visit: would like to rent or borrow a bike

Howdy!

I'll be in Vancouver for a week at the end of September, and I would very
much like to have a bike to drive while I'm there- doesn't have to be a PC,
of couse, anything from about 250 to PC size would be fine.

I'll check with some dealers, but my guess is that renting a bike is going
to be wildly expensive, a hundred bucks a day sort of thing.

So- if you know of anyone who'll have a spare bike at the end of Sep, I'd
appreciate hearing about it!  -dan

--
Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada




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To: pc800
Cc: dennisse, jeff
Subject: Non-trip report
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 22:45:38 -0500
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina>

OK, I keep seeing all of these trip reports.  Well, my life is boring and
Houston is huge so you could say that my daily travels give me some pretty
good touring milage.  Today held a particularly interesting biking
experience.

OK, so it's my 3rd anniversary.  I need to do the appropriate gift/surprise
thing.  I've planned to pick up a couple of stuffed animals (she loves
those) and some flowers.  I'll need a vase.  I'd like a lot of flowers.  I
don't have a car.  The heat index is 120+.

I don the Aerostich and head off to the mall.  Forgot to take the junk out
of the trunk.  Oops.  No %#^%$#^ motorcycle parking, so I ride up the
handicapped ramp and pull up next to a bicycle rack.  Hopefully the
security idiots are too stupid to tell the difference.  Hopefully they're
smart enough not to try and move it down the stairs or something.

I enter the mall and later emerge with one large stuffed green frog-thing
with bulging eyes (it's a stuffed Kerokerokeroppi doll if you follow the
cutesy Japanese toy thing like I do) and a stuffed elephant.  The elephant
is small enough to stuff in the trunk, but the frog goes under the cargo
netting on the seat.

I head off down the freeway with a big green frog-thing hitched to my ass.
I already look like a power ranger in my red 'stich suit.  (Go ahead and
say it, Jason the red ranger.  I've heard it a million times.)  Kids in the
back of pickup trucks either laugh or give karate chops.  A bike cop gives
a double take and nearly drives into a bus.

I arrive at the local warehouse store (hey, they have good bulk flowers and
also carry big bottles of conditioner that I need for my nearly
waist-length hair).  I weave the bike between a set of lawn furniture and a
jungle gym set up in the fire lane and park it.  The attendants either
crack up or do karate moves.  No room for the suit in the trunk and I don't
want to leave the frog, so I carry the frog and my helmet into the store.
The door attendant cracks up.  I pick up the conditioner, a big glass vase
and a few dozen roses and other flowers.  I see a nice leather couch that I
could really use, contemplate giving it as the crowning anniversary gift,
then contemplate hitching it to the back of the bike with the frog.  Never
mind.

I pay.  The cashier cracks up and tries to charge me for the frog.  I get
to the bike, shove the elephant in the vase and that and the conditioner in
the trunk and slam it.  No plastic pieces flying so I suppose it fit.  I
take out a backpack and shove the flowers in it.  They don't fit.  I zip it
up as good as possible, hitch the frog to my ass, don the backpack and hit
the freeway.  The backpack comes unzipped halfway home.

So imagine a skinny guy on a big black bike wearing a bright red suit with
a green frog hitched to his ass spewing leaves from his rear heading down
the freeway.

...

OK, so I say screw it and just try to get back home.  Amazingly the flowers
are still in good shape, the vase is whole, the conditioner didn't spew all
over the trunk, the trunk didn't break and the frog stuck to the seat the
whole time.  Whew.

She was surprised.

 - J<


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To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Vermont/NH trip
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 23:06:03 -0500
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@sina>

>>>>> "DM" == Daniel MacKay <daniel@nstn.ca> writes:

DM> The next day we did about three times that to camp at the excellent KOA
DM> in Canaan, Maine, near Skowhegan.  But about 60 miles of it was the
DM> unbelievably bad Maine Airline Highway, which is worth, in trucks,
DM> gravel, mud, and striated pavement, several times its length in stress.

Holy sheep shit.  Man, I was just there.  My family has a cottage on
Meddybemps lake just fifteen miles out of Calais/St. Stephen.  You're
right, good old highway 9 is always screwed with big sections of pavement
being worn out or just plain gone.  I took the whole thing at 80mph except
for the dirt segments which I took at 40.  I love driving rental cars.
BTW, they call it the Airline highway because it's supposedly as straight
as an airplane would fly.  Maybe an ultralight with 100mph variable
crosswinds.  Also, you have to love that _HILL_.  You'd think they paved a
cliff or something.

My dream is to be able to take a month off and ride up there.  The
countryside is just absolutely beautiful.  I'd take a somewhat scenic route
up and a completely different route back and ride around Canada while I'm
up there.  I wonder how long it would take to make it from Houston, Texas
to Calais, Maine.  I'd just have to go through about 800 scenic places in
between and it would probably take forever.

Glad to hear you had a nice trip.

 - J<


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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 01:58:37 -0400
From: HTBIII@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: New member info
Name:  Tom Byron
Location:  Arlington, Virginia
E-Mail:  htbiii@aol.com
Bike:  1990 Honda Pacific Coast (23K miles)
Bought:  used (2/93 from 1stowner with about 5K miles)
Modifications:  factory radio, tall screen, backrest, throttle lock (by

original owner)
                      heated grips (by me)
                      [clock, new seat (desired)]

Anyone with information on a clock or a seat (including seat covers), please
elt me know.  Thanks.


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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 08:06:14 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: New member info

>
>Anyone with information on a clock or a seat (including seat covers), please
>elt me know.  Thanks.
>
Thought I'd 'elt' you know that Hartco in TN or NC makes a
sheepskin/shearling seat cover.  I have their brochure at home and will post
their info.  I wanted to add it to the WWW page anyway!  As I recall, it is
pretty expensive but it looked comfortable.  



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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 08:16:11 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Non-trip report

Excellent!  we need more of these more non-trip reports.
Jason, you just made my day a lot easier to deal with.  Thanks!


>OK, I keep seeing all of these trip reports.  Well, my life is boring and
>Houston is huge so you could say that my daily travels give me some pretty
>good touring milage.  Today held a particularly interesting biking
>experience.
>

>She was surprised.


I think we all are :-)

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 PC800
________________________________



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From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do)
Subject: Another new member
Date: Wed,  9 Aug 1995 15:46:00 GMT
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu


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Subject: RE: Another new member

PC>  Last thing, about customization, besides RobbRacer, that 20% discount man,
PC>  any other good places?

I bought parts from East Coast Parts Warehouse and paid $180 vs. $288
quoted from my local dealer.  The parts are: an alternator wt gaskets...
BTW, I couldn't get through to Rob to check his price.  Anybody with
better luck?  Later.
---
 * SLMR 2.1a * Modems.....reach out and BYTE someone!


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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed,  9 Aug 95 11:12:05 TZ
Subject: RE: Vancouver visit: would like to rent or borrow a bike

The several times I've been in Victoria and Vancouver BC I've spotted 
motorcycle fro rent alongside scooters.  It's something like 50 
scooters to rent and a couple of MC's.  You might call the tourism 
bereau and ask about scooter rentals, make some calls, and see if they 
also have MC's.  If I recall a motorcycle endorsment on the license was 
required.

The next best might be to rent a bike in Seattle from Cruise America 
(206-355-8935).  They have Honda Shadows and Wings.  They'll even pick 
you up and drop you at the airport.  Last time I looked a Gold Wing was 
about $100 day w/100 miles.  Rates are seasonal and the Shadow's went 
for less.  Ride to Vancouver is about 2.5 hours in the interstate.

BTW:  Excellent roads in just about every direction from there.  The 
coastline to the north up to Whistler mountain is spectacular, 
especially around sunset (sea to sky hwy it's called).  Mountains are 
north and east.  Open farm roads to the south in the Frasier river valley.

-bryceu
----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
----------------------------------------------------------
----------
| From: Daniel MacKay  <daniel@nstn.ca>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: Vancouver visit: would like to rent or borrow a bike
| Date: Tuesday, August 08, 1995 11:05PM
|
| Howdy!
|
| I'll be in Vancouver for a week at the end of September, and I would very
| much like to have a bike to drive while I'm there- doesn't have to be a PC,
| of couse, anything from about 250 to PC size would be fine.
|
| I'll check with some dealers, but my guess is that renting a bike is going
| to be wildly expensive, a hundred bucks a day sort of thing.
|
| So- if you know of anyone who'll have a spare bike at the end of Sep, I'd
| appreciate hearing about it!  -dan
|
| --
| Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
| Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada
|
| 




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed,  9 Aug 95 11:32:24 TZ
Subject: RE: New member info
Clocks:  Several folks have looked for a small, cheap 1.5" round clock 

and stuck it in the center of the tachometer with velcro.  Works in 
daylight but nothing at night.  I've looked at some in the JC Whitney 
catalog with a backlight option and might get one for the right speaker 
cutout sometime.d

Seats:  Corbin seems to make the only replacment.  Reports are it's 
about 1.5" lower but somewhat wider.  I've heard some like it and some 
don't cause it's harder and the wider seat make it hard to reach the 
ground with short legs.  Driver seat has adjustable lunbar support 
(slides in/out of passenter seat).  Passenger backrest has adjustable 
lean angle and is a bit taller at 11".  Last time I checked the seat 
was about $200 and another $120 for the pasenger backrest.  Several 
colors combo's to match the colors of the PC.

No I haven't bought one yet but I'm close to doing it.

-bryceu
----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
----------------------------------------------------------
----------
| From:  <HTBIII@aol.com>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: New member info
| Date: Wednesday, August 09, 1995 1:58AM
|
| original owner)
|                       heated grips (by me)
|                       [clock, new seat (desired)]
|
| Anyone with information on a clock or a seat (including seat covers), please
| elt me know.  Thanks.
| 



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:13 -0700

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:13 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Non-trip report

... Today held a particularly interesting biking
>experience.
>

>...OK, so I say screw it and just try to get back home.  Amazingly the flowers
>are still in good shape, the vase is whole, the conditioner didn't spew all
>over the trunk, the trunk didn't break and the frog stuck to the seat the
>whole time.  Whew.
>
>She was surprised.
>
> - J<
>
Thank you for making what for me was an incredibly dull day more exciting.
I have no riding trip that even begins to compare.


<bowing in the general direction of your server....>


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:16 -0700

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:16 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Another new member

>Besides, I'm not happy with the fuel consumption, approx. 105 miles/tank of
>98 octane unleaded gas!  I expect for a better fuel consumption after oil
>changes and new filters.  Also, the engine sounds bad on idle, I think it
>needs a carb. sync.  Hows yours?
>
I get around 150 mi/tank on 92 octane.  Check airfilter, carbs, and driving
habits.  I get drastically worse milage in the city running over 4k rpms.....


good luck!

Steve


  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:11 -0700

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 06:46:11 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: New member info

>>
>>Anyone with information on a clock or a seat (including seat covers), please
>>elt me know.  Thanks.


Corbin saddles.  Yahoo.



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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:50:26 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Rediculous maint schedule

Howdy!

The bike rolled over 30,000kms (18,750mi) during the Vermont trip, so I
thought I'd check to see if there was anything special on that anniversary.

Now, I don't worry about the pluggies until it begins to start hard or run
rough, and I'll get around to checking the air cleaner one of these days,
and other than oil changes I don't really worry about stuff.  But, I
thought, maybe there's some infrequent, special thing for this bike.  So I
turn on the microfiche reader and drop in the fiche for Chapter 3 (Maint)
of the shop manual, and scroll to the maint sched table.

Ha ha, sez I, look, a big glaring mistake, I hope anyone doesn't take that
12,800km (8000 miles) oil change period seriously!  But I checked my owners
manual, and lo, it was the same table- change oil and filter every
12,800kms.

Is it true?  Does anyone actually wait 12,800km between oil changes?  I
change oil *way* more frequently than that -- 5000 kms, plus before and
after winter.  The rationale is that I don't want used oil, its acids,
moisture and junk sitting in the engine during storage, and for the spring
change because the oil has degraded some during winter storage -- four or
five months.

The filter change is hell -- I do it every other oil change -- but the oil
change itself is a ten minute job, and oil is cheap.  I can't think of any
reason not to do it.

Does anyone actually follow that schedule for oil changes?

--
Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada




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To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: dennisse@sina.hpc.uh.edu, jeff@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Non-trip report 
             <9508090345.AA09592@hpc.uh.edu> 
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:34:10 -0700
From: Gaye Grabill <gaye@percy.rain.com>


>OK, I keep seeing all of these trip reports.  Well, my life is boring and
>Houston is huge so you could say that my daily travels give me some pretty
>good touring milage.  Today held a particularly interesting biking
>experience.
>

Thank you for giving me a chuckle to start my day with.  I'm sure everyone
here thought I'd finally lost my mind  as I sat looking at my computer and 
laughing...

-gaye






 


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:34:56 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

Yesterday I was talking to someone about...what else...motorcycles.  I was
explaining that my girlfriend's Yamaha FZR600 was completely different bike
from the PC and said it was like comparing a Ferrari with a Lincoln Town
Car.  I got the point across but felt that the analogy was flawed.  I spent
a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?
	     (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson))
	     (at Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:34:56 -0600)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 10:42:06 CST

Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9508101534.AA01568@trg.trglink.com> on Aug 10 you wrote:

[...]
> a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
> and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?

I already tagged it.  A mini-truck.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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From: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:44:16 -0500
        "PC800: What kind of car would a PC800 be?" (Aug 10,  8:34am)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?
Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson)

1. Dodge Caravan
2. Toyota 2WD pickup
3. Taurus station wagon


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:33:51 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: lcope@sst10a.lanl.gov (Leroy Cope)
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

How about a Ford Escort "GT"
                                        Roy Cope


>Yesterday I was talking to someone about...what else...motorcycles.  I was
>explaining that my girlfriend's Yamaha FZR600 was completely different bike
>from the PC and said it was like comparing a Ferrari with a Lincoln Town
>Car.  I got the point across but felt that the analogy was flawed.  I spent
>a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
>and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?
>
>
>



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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule

I noticed that too when I first got my PC.  I follow the same routine as
my car, every 3000 miles.  Since I put synthetic stuff in the PC, I may
sometimes push it to 4000 but not much more than that.  I figured even
though synthetics cost twice as much, it's cheap insurance to keep the
engine wear to a minimum (I do quite a bit of gridlock brawling on
commute).  I do change the filter too.  Since it's so cheap compared to
the oil, I just thought, 'why not?' What's an extra $10 on cheap
insurance?  I know it maybe overkill but better safe than sorry I always
say. 

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On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Daniel MacKay wrote:

> Howdy!
> 
> The bike rolled over 30,000kms (18,750mi) during the Vermont trip, so I
> thought I'd check to see if there was anything special on that anniversary.
> 
> Now, I don't worry about the pluggies until it begins to start hard or run
> rough, and I'll get around to checking the air cleaner one of these days,
> and other than oil changes I don't really worry about stuff.  But, I
> thought, maybe there's some infrequent, special thing for this bike.  So I
> turn on the microfiche reader and drop in the fiche for Chapter 3 (Maint)
> of the shop manual, and scroll to the maint sched table.
> 
> Ha ha, sez I, look, a big glaring mistake, I hope anyone doesn't take that
> 12,800km (8000 miles) oil change period seriously!  But I checked my owners
> manual, and lo, it was the same table- change oil and filter every
> 12,800kms.
> 
> Is it true?  Does anyone actually wait 12,800km between oil changes?  I
> change oil *way* more frequently than that -- 5000 kms, plus before and
> after winter.  The rationale is that I don't want used oil, its acids,
> moisture and junk sitting in the engine during storage, and for the spring
> change because the oil has degraded some during winter storage -- four or
> five months.
> 
> The filter change is hell -- I do it every other oil change -- but the oil
> change itself is a ten minute job, and oil is cheap.  I can't think of any
> reason not to do it.
> 
> Does anyone actually follow that schedule for oil changes?
> 
> --
> Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
> Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

How about its cousin, the Honda Accord?  It's priced right (depending on 
where you got yours), serves its purpose, and darn reliable.  An it's no 
econo-box either.  Just simple elegance.

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On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Neill Thompson wrote:

> Yesterday I was talking to someone about...what else...motorcycles.  I was
> explaining that my girlfriend's Yamaha FZR600 was completely different bike
> from the PC and said it was like comparing a Ferrari with a Lincoln Town
> Car.  I got the point across but felt that the analogy was flawed.  I spent
> a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
> and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:55:21 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule

>The filter change is hell -- I do it every other oil change -- but the oil
>change itself is a ten minute job, and oil is cheap.  I can't think of any
>reason not to do it.

Once you get the right tool to remove the oil filter it is a piece of cake.
I actually prefer changing the oil filter on the PC than on my wife's Yamaha
(cartridge type) or even my truck.  I got the tool from a NAPA dealer here
in town.  I try to get the part number and post it to the list.

>Does anyone actually follow that schedule for oil changes?

I would never wait that long. Even in after storage with fresh oil (here
being around 7-8 months) I would change it again for good measure, so it
actually works out to be two changes every year (3-4k miles).

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 PC800
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 08:59:40 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

>what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
>and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?


1. Volvo 850 Turbo Wagon.

2. Ford Taurus Wagon with SHO engine in it.

3. Ford Ranger Splash.


How's that?
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 PC800
________________________________



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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:59:49 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

Great Question !

> I got the point across but felt that the analogy was flawed.  I spent
>a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
>and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?

I think the most appropriate comparison would be to the Volvo or BMW
sport-wagons.  They seem to be the only things that have the PC's
combination of:

 sport + utility (short/long distance) + unusual style (some love it, some
hate it)

My 2 cents - Cheers - Spencer

P.S. - The analogy holds for the vehicles;  I hope most Coasties (Coasters?)
ride a bit more attentively than those wagon-pilots I see on the freeway
everyday do.........


Spencer Farrow
Compensation Researcher
Radford Associates/A&ACG
sfarrow@radford.com




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Date:     Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:03 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

I don't know about what type of car.......the Volvo wagon analogy sounds
great, but I'd consider all those references to @#$&^$*^$# Fords as 
pure insult!

The term "sport utility" comes to mind, taken from the "sport touring"
lead.  However, I guess the term sport "utility  vehicle of motorcycles"
when applied to the PC sorta' brings to mind an image of a heavy dual 
sport bike w/ a fat rear!  Got any knobbies for a 15" wheel?

Cory

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 16:06:52 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

I am new to the PC800 mail list and would like to introduce myself.

My name is Ted Johnson. I live in Wilmington Delaware.  I own a Suzuki RF600
and my wife owns a Kawasaki Ninja 250.  Of late my wife (Ann) has developed
what appears to be a passion for the PC800 and, if that passion continues
after she takes a demo ride this week, I intend to buy one for her.  (I
realized that she is seriously interested when I found her rearranging the
garage to see if we could make enough space to store one.)

My only real concern is the large size and, more importantly, the weight of
the bike for a relatively small (but strong) woman (5'4") whose sole
experience (except for a few tries on my 600) has been on a 250.  Are there
any women riding PC's out there who can lend a bit of advice on this subject?


Regards,
            <<TED>>

I am a 5'3" male who used to ride a 360... and now ride a REAL machine--
the '89 PC800. I found it "easier" to handle while riding and "no more 
difficult" to handle at a stop sign. The ONLY problem is when I find a pot hole 
where I usually put my right foot down, at which point I must be sure to stop 
short, go further, or use my left foot.

I can not put both feet on the ground comfortably, but find that one leg is more
than enough to control at a dead stop. I can touch both feet to the ground 
tip-toe style, but like to use one foot, flat, for better control.

Backing it up is a bit harder since it is heavier, but I simply try to make 
better decisions as to where I park (especially in hilly areas). I tend to stay 
OFF the bike, and push it back with the side stand down (being VERY careful it 
does not touch and get raised in the process). 

The only time I have dropped the bike was when I had just used a chain saw and 
my hand was somewhat numb and I moved the bike a short distance in my driveway. 
My hand closed tighter than I intended and the weight quickly shifted way too 
far to the right since I was in a slow tight turn... the bike did get slightly 
scratched ONLY ON THE SCRATCH COVERS, and I was able to lift it by myself. She 
might be able to as well as I've heard it done by a small woman at a Honda 
demonstration a couple of years ago.

It is a very popular woman's bike, but I find it a wonderful sport touring bike 
for those with short legs as well. I also just installed a Corbin seat which 
gave me a slight advantage in that it is lower (but wider). The adjustable back 
support on the Corbin seat is NEAT! Also, consider better wind protection if you
think she would prefer to look through the wind shield. Feel free to write 
direst to:

stevea@sc.edu


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:11:20 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Fords, bikes and all that jazz

Hello Cory!  Hey did you get my previous message?  I'm using a new mail
system and I'm not sure I've got all the bugs worked out.

So what is wrong with Fords?  They can't be all that bad.  After all, they
are letting Chevrolet to have a good NASCAR season, yes? :-)

Hey, would you like to go to the drag races this weekend?  I was thinking of
going on Sat. around noon, catch the last hour of time trials and staying
for a couple of hours of competition.  I would be taking the bike of course,
and maybe ride somewhre for dinner.  Let me know!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 PC800
________________________________



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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 22:46:10 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: Another new member

>>Besides, I'm not happy with the fuel consumption, approx. 105 miles/tank of
>>98 octane unleaded gas!  I expect for a better fuel consumption after oil
>>changes and new filters.  Also, the engine sounds bad on idle, I think it
>>needs a carb. sync.  Hows yours?
>>
>I get around 150 mi/tank on 92 octane.  Check airfilter, carbs, and driving
>habits.  I get drastically worse milage in the city running over 4k rpms.....
>
>
>good luck!
>
>Steve

don't worry steve ...it's a new bike @ 1000 km it will get to that magical
40 miles to the gallon


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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 22:55:40 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: New Member

>I am new to the PC800 mail list and would like to introduce myself.
>
>My name is Ted Johnson. I live in Wilmington Delaware.  I own a Suzuki RF600
>and my wife owns a Kawasaki Ninja 250.  Of late my wife (Ann) has developed
>what appears to be a passion for the PC800 and, if that passion continues
>after she takes a demo ride this week, I intend to buy one for her.  (I
>realized that she is seriously interested when I found her rearranging the
>garage to see if we could make enough space to store one.)
>
>My only real concern is the large size and, more importantly, the weight of
>the bike for a relatively small (but strong) woman (5'4") whose sole
>experience (except for a few tries on my 600) has been on a 250.  Are there
>any women riding PC's out there who can lend a bit of advice on this subject?
>
>
>Regards,
>            <<TED>>
>


Ted ... I think the only problem I have is backing up while on the bike

say I am in the local area how about some riding...Wilmington is close
short jorneys up from Rt 52 into Chester county of PA is nice
contact soon

hope you get the other PC... what year do you already have?



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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 08:30:32 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

Yesterday I was talking to someone about...what else...motorcycles.  I was
explaining that my girlfriend's Yamaha FZR600 was completely different bike
from the PC and said it was like comparing a Ferrari with a Lincoln Town
Car.  I got the point across but felt that the analogy was flawed.  I spent
a few minutes wondering what kind of car the PC could really be compared to
and came up empty handed.  Any ideas?


A Mercedes Station Wagon?


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:40:55 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: New Member

>say I am in the local area how about some riding...Wilmington is close
>short jorneys up from Rt 52 into Chester county of PA is nice
>contact soon

You guys are making me homesick.  Before I had a motorcycle and lived in
Delaware, I would ride my bicycle up Rt. 100 into Pennsylvania along the
Brandywine River then up around Unionville and Kennett Square, cross over
into the Red Clay Creek Valley and head back down into Delaware on Rt. 82.
Although not a long ride, I would hold it up as one of the most beautiful
parts of the country.  




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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 08:44:16 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: ooops!

Sorry about posting that message to Cory over the listserv.  Like I said,
I'm still having problems with the new mail system.  But what the heck,
everyone is invited to the drag races! :-)

Going back to the subject of car/bike comparo, I thought of something else.

Few vehicles have a group of followers that borders on the "cult" category,
I think the PC qualifies as such.  So I thinks to myself "what mainstream
car is like that?"
Answer: the SAAB 900 turbo hatchback.  It can carry as much as a station
wagon, it handles pretty well, goes like stink and its styling and quirks
make it a love it or hate it proposition, just like the PC!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" <alibi@seas.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:34:02 -0400 (EDT)

Juan wrote:

> 
> Once you get the right tool to remove the oil filter it is a piece of cake.
> I actually prefer changing the oil filter on the PC than on my wife's Yamaha
> (cartridge type) or even my truck.  I got the tool from a NAPA dealer here
> in town.  I try to get the part number and post it to the list.
> 
> Juan
> ________________________________

JUAN - does this tool work on the honda spin-on oil filter specifically
- or is it a universal fit.  the local dealer wants $20 for the cap that
is  specific to the honda spin-on - the cap fits on a 3/8" ratchet.

thanks for any info. 
matthew 






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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 14:14:51 TZ
Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule

The NAPA filter wrench is a basic "band" type wrench that wraps around 
the outside of the filter and uses the handle and a cam to tighten 
around the filter and spin it to remove.  These are standard auto tools 
except the honda filter is so small you can't find a wrench small 
enough.  NAPA of course stocks a wrench small enough.

Bring your filter to you local NAPA store and looked for the smallest 
filter wrench.  It will fit.

\"/

-bryceu
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| From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky"  <alibi@seas.gwu.edu>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule
| Date: Friday, August 11, 1995 3:34PM
|
| Juan wrote:
|
| >
| > Once you get the right tool to remove the oil filter it is a piece of cake.
| > I actually prefer changing the oil filter on the PC than on my 
wife's Yamaha
| > (cartridge type) or even my truck.  I got the tool from a NAPA dealer here
| > in town.  I try to get the part number and post it to the list.
| >
| > Juan
| > ________________________________
|
| JUAN - does this tool work on the honda spin-on oil filter specifically
| - or is it a universal fit.  the local dealer wants $20 for the cap that
| is  specific to the honda spin-on - the cap fits on a 3/8" ratchet.
|
| thanks for any info.
| matthew
|
|
|
| 




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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 14:58:00 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Rediculous maint schedule

>>The NAPA filter wrench is a basic "band" type wrench that wraps around 
>>the outside of the filter and uses the handle and a cam to tighten 

This is not the type of wrench I was talking about.  Read on...

>| JUAN - does this tool work on the honda spin-on oil filter specifically
>| - or is it a universal fit.  the local dealer wants $20 for the cap that
>| is  specific to the honda spin-on - the cap fits on a 3/8" ratchet.
>|
>| thanks for any info.
>| matthew


Mathew, I went to the NAPA shop today and found it.  
It is part number: 3253     End Cap Oil Filter Wrench

The package says it is for Toyotas and  other japanese vehicles but it fits
perfectly, so the external dimensions of the oil filter are not proprietary
to Honda Motorcycles.
It is metal and uses a 3/8" ratchet wrench.   Here they are asking 7.99 for
it, you might be able to get it cheaper down there.  Good luck!

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:22:54 -0400
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

In a message dated 95-08-10 22:52:37 EDT, you write:

>>My only real concern is the large size and, more importantly, the weight of
>>the bike for a relatively small (but strong) woman (5'4") whose sole
>>experience (except for a few tries on my 600) has been on a 250.  Are there
>>any women riding PC's out there who can lend a bit of advice on this
>subject?
>>

I'm 5' 7" with a 30" inseam and have few problems. If your wife has
experience with your two bikes, she shouldn't have too much trouble. As
others have said, the bike is easy to handle once underway; the only
difficulty really is on marginal surfaces (gravel, dirty pavement) and
backing up. I sometimes prefer to back up with the sidestand extended so that
if I lose it, it will be protected. It's very important to pick parking
spaces carefully--park facing uphill or with the bike leaned downhill, etc. 

Instead of buying a Corbin, you might consider modifying the seat yourself or
taking it to an upholstery shop. I've read some folks say that it's easy to
shave seat foam with an electric knife, though I've never tried. Doing the
work yourself might allow you to get the lower and narrower seat the Corbin
apparently lacks.

Jeff


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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:22:52 -0400
From: JeffHamltn@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

I love the topic! I vote for the sport wagon, Volvo or Taurus with SHO
engine. The combination of good looks, utility and sportiness that can't be
matched by any other vehicle.


Jeff


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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:31:54 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Another new member

>>I get around 150 mi/tank on 92 octane.<<

Is there a reason to run 92 octane? The book says regular is fine.  Moreover,
the compression ratio would suggest regular would be fine.  Am I missing
something here (BTW, I am a new owner, well owner's spouse)...




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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:35:44 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

>>It is a very popular woman's bike, but I find it a wonderful sport touring
bike for those with short legs as well. I also just installed a Corbin seat
which gave me a slight advantage in that it is lower (but wider). The
adjustable back support on the Corbin seat is NEAT! <<

Steve;

Well I bought it for her and she loves it!  Her height hasn't been a problem
so far.  Thanks for all your tips especially the info on the Corbin seat and
how to deal with potholes under your support foot. I"ll pass that along to
her!




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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:35:43 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car w...

>> explaining that my girlfriend's Yamaha FZR600 was completely different
bike from the PC and said it was like comparing a Ferrari with a Lincoln Town
Car. <<

The analogy is flawed. The PC is entirely too capable to compare it with a
Lincoln Town car.  It is closer to a GT that doesn't look like a GT. Thus I
would compare it with a capable sporting coupe based on a sedan chassis.  One
of the Mercedes specialized coupes comes to mind as a better example, or even
one of the sedanish Ferraris (the 400i is a good example).  All of these are
on the exotic side, however, so they don't really do the job since the PC is
popularly priced.  How about more like a VW GTI without the hot engine or a
BMW 318is (the engine there is peaky as heck, but it still doesn't really
give you a push in the back so it has some of the characteristics of the
PC800, though not others since the PC develops power in a very linear (and
somewhat misleading) manner.




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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:35:49 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

>>Ted ... I think the only problem I have is backing up while on the bike say
I am in the local area how about some riding...Wilmington is close short
jorneys up from Rt 52 into Chester county of PA is nice
contact soon hope you get the other PC... what year do you already have?<<

E.Y. We bought the PC (for Ann).  It's the only one that we have. I have a
Suzuki RF600R and we still have Ann's Ninja 250 which will go on the block
this weekend.  It would be fun to ride sometime. 52 North is one of my
"stumping grounds".  There is another PC rider here in Delaware who organizes
rides from time to time and would love to meet other local PC Riders. He only
knows one other and was happy to meet Ann.  Adding you to the list makes 4
which is the kernel of a good little group.






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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:35:41 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member
Steve: 

Well, we both rode the PC800 and bought it on the spot.  She had no trouble
with it at all during the demo.  We picked it up today and I had a hard time
getting her off of it. I had to take care of our daughter for just ages
<grin>...  We need to get a baby sitter now so we can ride together in
earnest.  It's really a great bike - - one of the best kept secrets in
motorcycling I'd say.




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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:35:48 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: New Member

>>Before I had a motorcycle and lived in Delaware, I would ride my bicycle up
Rt. 100 into Pennsylvania along the Brandywine River then up around
Unionville and Kennett Square, cross over into the Red Clay Creek Valley and
head back down into Delaware on Rt. 82.
Although not a long ride, I would hold it up as one of the most beautiful
parts of the country.  <<

When I lived in the city, I used to ride my bicycle out that way a lot. Now I
have moved further West and set my sights accordingly (Avon Grove to Kennett
area).  Still ride the motorcycle up that way, though. 82 is one of the nicer
scratching roads around.




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Another new member
	     (from TedJ101@aol.com)
	     (at Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:31:54 -0400)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 95 23:02:12 CST

Hi TedJ101 (TedJ101), in <950812233154_53518704@aol.com> on Aug 12 you wrote:

> >>I get around 150 mi/tank on 92 octane.<<
> 
> Is there a reason to run 92 octane? The book says regular is fine.  Moreover,
> the compression ratio would suggest regular would be fine.  Am I missing
> something here (BTW, I am a new owner, well owner's spouse)...

Because mine doesn't run worth a flip on less than 91 octane, and 
certainly doesn't get my normal 45-50mpg around town with the way
I crank the throttle with less than 91 octane.

I also don't see how some of you are getting such poor gas mileage/range.
The only time I got less than 40 mpg was doing 120 (indicated) through 
those flat, deserted western N.M. desert roads.  I even get 40+mpg running
twisties between 6k and redline. Are you doing regular tune-ups?

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



 13 Aug 1995 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT)

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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 09:57:48 -0800
From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain)
Subject: Nice ride this weekend
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu

I did the Ortega Highway loop this weekend on the new Metzler ML2s.  No
problem keeping up with the 'crotch rockets' and the PC performed
flawlessly.  I just love the power in this bike (far more control than my
old Triumph Bonnie).

I had lot's of trouble with my Chatterbox however.  Could be the noise from
my sparkplugs or a problem with the system but I could not get the volume
control to work on any setting.

As an intercom, it works OK but I sure would like to turn up the volume a bit!

 |    Harrison M. Spain       |    Voice: (714) 952-6114     |
 |    Systems Support Manager |      Fax: (714) 952-5371     |
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Date:     Mon, 14 Aug 1995 12:14 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Fords, bikes and all that jazz

Hey Juan,

Sure did get your message, just been too busy to answer it!  

I'll get w/ you later!

Cory

From owner-pc800  Mon Aug 14 19:14:43 1995

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Date:     Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:13 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Sorry 'bout that

My regrets to the group........didn't look at the address header as I hit
"return" to reply to Juan.  Didn't mean to clutter up the net w/ a
personal message.

Cheers,

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Aug 16 21:11:56 1995

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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 22:19:38 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: New Member

>>>Ted ... I think the only problem I have is backing up while on the bike say
>I am in the local area how about some riding...Wilmington is close short
>jorneys up from Rt 52 into Chester county of PA is nice
>contact soon hope you get the other PC... what year do you already have?<<
>
>E.Y. We bought the PC (for Ann).  It's the only one that we have. I have a
>Suzuki RF600R and we still have Ann's Ninja 250 which will go on the block
>this weekend.  It would be fun to ride sometime. 52 North is one of my
>"stumping grounds".  There is another PC rider here in Delaware who organizes
>rides from time to time and would love to meet other local PC Riders. He only
>knows one other and was happy to meet Ann.  Adding you to the list makes 4
>which is the kernel of a good little group.


sound great to me !!!!
maybe south into MD for some crabs and a sail on the Bay?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
E.Y. Murphey             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor
email: EYonline@aol.com
voice: 610-259-9861 (h)
         610-853-5900 x3978
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:12:30 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Nady PRC-8

Howdy.

A guy here is selling two Nady PRC-8 FM radio + intercoms, for on the bike
or between bike use, for 200$ for both.

Has anyone used these?  I may just borrow them to see if I like them.

-dan




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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 14:10:35 UT
From: Richard Foreman <BetaTester@msn.com>
To: 'PC800 Mailing List' <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Engine has flat spot

Hi All!

My 95 PC-800 has a bad flat spot around 2500 RPM.  It is worse 
when the engine is cold. As the engine warms up it is not as bad.  It is 
still just bad enough when warm to be annoying.

Has anyone had this 
problem and what adjustment did you make to correct it.  I rather do the work 
myself, than take it to my less than reliable dealer.

I love my PC so far 
and have put about 340 miles on it.  Are there any PC owners in the Florida 
Palm Beach County area?  I have yet to see one on the road.

Thanks  
BetaTester@msn.com 


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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Engine has flat spot
	     (from Richard Foreman <BetaTester@msn.com>)
	     (at Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:10:35 +0000 (UT))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:17:13 CST

Hi Richard (Richard Foreman), in <UPMAIL01.199508171411470361@msn.com> on Aug 17 you wrote:

> Hi All!
> 
> My 95 PC-800 has a bad flat spot around 2500 RPM.  It is worse 
> when the engine is cold. As the engine warms up it is not as bad.  It is 
> still just bad enough when warm to be annoying.

My PC requires a carb sync about every 6k miles to keep up the gas
mileage and throttle response.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:52:45 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Re: Nady PRC-8

Greetings Dan - 

>A guy here is selling two Nady PRC-8 FM radio + intercoms, for on the bike
>or between bike use, for 200$ for both.
>
>Has anyone used these?  I may just borrow them to see if I like them.


I have used them, but only on an unfaired bike.   They worked great up to
about 45mph;  above that speed, the wind noise made them useless.  I'm
guessing that with a fairing, they'd be fine.

Cheers - Spencer

Spencer Farrow
'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost
COG # 2014
AMA # (misplaced)
sfarrow@radford.com



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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:01:59 -0400
From: DGrossSEA@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Engine has flat spot

I've notice that same thing on mine until it warms up...always atributed it
to a cold engine..

saw a new RED/BLACK '96 at the dealer yesterday...wow  : >P~~~~~ (drooooling)
They've made the undercowling a pearlesque black, and changed the
handlebars/fairing plastic to black like the ST1100....yummmmmm....

dave

   (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Thu, 17 Aug 95 14:21:30 EDT

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 14:15:04 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Color of the new PC800

Interesting how tastes differ...

When I saw the new 96, I did NOT like the color combo...

Of course, as an '89 owner, I still love the pearl white best of all. If they 
REALLY want me to buy a new one, they'll go back to a similar combo in '97. With
less than 18k on mine, I don't foresee a change in the near future!

stevea@sc.edu


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:44:40 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Shipping your bike.

Does anyone out ther on PC-land have any experience with shipping a bike to
Europe?   A friend of mine is trying to have his Ninja 900 shipped over to
Norway so he can tour the country with his significant other.  Any advice
would be appreciated.

J.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:22:13 -0600
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: Shipping your bike.

sounds like a question for rec.motorcycles

>Does anyone out ther on PC-land have any experience with shipping a bike to
>Europe?   A friend of mine is trying to have his Ninja 900 shipped over to
>Norway so he can tour the country with his significant other.  Any advice
>would be appreciated.
>
>J.
>________________________________
>Juan A. Goula



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Date: 17 Aug 1995 13:26:16 -0800
From: "George Korbel" <George.Korbel@quickmail.llnl.gov>
Subject: Re: PC800- Shipping your bik
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
        Reply to:   RE>PC800: Shipping your bike.

Hi Juan,

in 1991 I shipped Honda CX500 from port of Oakland to port of Bremen, Germany.
 I made wooden box, took off the front wheel, and removed handlebar, Vetter
fairing, etc.  (which I stuffed in the same box - just for clarity) in order
to make the box as small as possible since I paid the shipper by the cubic
feet, not by weight.  Total charge was $168 and took three weeks.  Also I
delivered this box to the port of Oakland myself and picked it up in the port
in Bremen.  

I did it first time in my life, made lots of telephone calls and I remember
the prices were around $400-$600 typically.  The range was about $150-$3000.

If you have more, specific questions, please ask.

Good luck,

George

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Date: 8/17/95 12:01 PM
To: George Korbel
From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Does anyone out ther on PC-land have any experience with shipping a bike to
Europe?   A friend of mine is trying to have his Ninja 900 shipped over to
Norway so he can tour the country with his significant other.  Any advice
would be appreciated.

J.
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________


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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:44:40 -0700
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Shipping your bike.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu





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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:19:37 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Shipping your bike

Gerorge,

> in order
>to make the box as small as possible since I paid the shipper by the cubic
>feet, not by weight.

Is this because the shipping was done by sea instead of air?

> Total charge was $168 and took three weeks.  Also I
>delivered this box to the port of Oakland myself and picked it up in the port
>in Bremen.  

Could you tell me which company did you deal with? (and a phone number if
you still have it?)

>I did it first time in my life, made lots of telephone calls and I remember
>the prices were around $400-$600 typically.  The range was about $150-$3000.

$168 sounds like it would definitely be within my friend's reach (he is
still a starving college student). I would presume that it might be even
cheaper since his bike in on the east coast.

>If you have more, specific questions, please ask.

How satisfied were you with the service?
Did you have any hassles with customs?
How was your motorcycling experience in Europe? (trip report!, trip report!) :-)

Thanks for all your help.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 03:55:28 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Nady PRC-8

>>A guy here is selling two Nady PRC-8 FM radio + intercoms, for on the bike
or between bike use, for 200$ for both.<<

Any of half a dozen mail order dealers picked at random from a recent issue
of Motorcyclist will sell you those units brand new for less.  $85 each seems
to be the going price.  Caveat emptor.






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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:37:31 +0200
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
From: looman@eldevs.nl (Hans Looman)
Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800
>Name: Hans Looman
>Location: Lopik, the Netherlands
>Email: looman@eldevs.nl

>PC Model year (if you have one): '89 (the white one)
>Bought Used/New: New '92
>Modifications made to bike: Higher screen, rack/seat for passengers, 
modified CB set used as intercom between several bikes.

Regards from below sea-level,
Hans Looman



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From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Fuel Leak solved!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 22:08:20 CST

Finally found the source of my fuel leak. The vacuum-operated supply valve.

I had looked at it twice before, but hadn't seen proper evidence of a
problem.  However, the last week, the thing was worse than ever, so 
today I took the 'tank' cover off again to start replacing lines, and
behold, the rear fiberglass engine sheath was all a dirty brown. Not
good. Saw a trace of recent fluid on the fuel supply line and traced 
it up the valve. It was still as innocent-looking as ever. So I started
the engine and gas immediately started sputtering out of the little
drain tube.  I took the valve apart and yep, there were three little 
pinholes at three of the four fold corners on the working side of the 
diaphram. Put it back together and of course it really started spewing 
gas then (since I was handling it to see if there was a hole).

So I'm out of a ride until I can find a replacement diaphram. :^(
Anyone know a Honda mailorder place that's open on Mondays?

--
Almost forgot. For at least 2 years the rear fiberglass engine sheath 
has been somewhat discolored. Just not like it got the last few weeks.
i.e. could be that the valve has had problems for quite a while.  This 
might be a clue for you guys that were smelling gas fumes also...

Thanks Much!

Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:24:23 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: Fuel Leak solved!

What kind of warranty did you get?  I know yours is a '90 but you bought it
somewhat after that right?  With my '94, I got a 3 year unlimited mileage.
Was that an enhancement over the prior years?  

>So I'm out of a ride until I can find a replacement diaphram. :^(
>Anyone know a Honda mailorder place that's open on Mondays?
>



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Fuel Leak solved!
	     (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson))
	     (at Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:24:23 -0700)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:46:07 CST

Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9508211529.AA20870@trg.trglink.com> on Aug 21 you wrote:

> What kind of warranty did you get?  I know yours is a '90 but you bought it
> somewhat after that right?  With my '94, I got a 3 year unlimited mileage.
> Was that an enhancement over the prior years?  
 
Bought it March '92. 3 year warranty was up the end of March. Yep... 
just about the time I really started having trouble with that valve. :^(
Would have been nice to have found it before the warranty went out.
The diaphram shouldn't be too expensive... (yeah...)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date:     Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:06 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Shipping your bike.

Bike shipping............

Check out the........I believe, June issue of the AMA's American Motorcyclist.
The center section should be the annual AMA "Yellow Pages."  The last time I
looked in there they had a section on shippers.  For domestic shipping I've
heard that some of the moving companies like United, Atlas Van Lines, and 
others will do MC shipping.
Cory

From owner-pc800  Mon Aug 21 12:16:10 1995

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:16:56 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Engine has flat spot

>My PC requires a carb sync about every 6k miles to keep up the gas
>mileage and throttle response.

No kidding...  I just came back from a 400 mile trip this weekend and
noticed that my gas mileage has dropped quite a bit.
Speeds varied from 45 MPH around construction to 80 - 85 on flat straight
portions of the highway.  Mileage was down to 40 -42 MPG from the usual 48.
What kind of carb synch. do you use Kent?  Mercury or roung gauges?  I know
you recently provided us with the technique to synch. the carbs, I'll have
to dig it out of the archives.

Happy Monday everyone! :-)
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:43:24 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: RE: Shipping your bike.

>Bike shipping............
>
>Check out the........I believe, June issue of the AMA's American Motorcyclist.
>The center section should be the annual AMA "Yellow Pages." 

Thanks Cory,  I'll check it out.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Engine has flat spot
	     (from jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula))
	     (at Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:16:56 -0700)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 13:12:18 CST

Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199508211710.JAA04392@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Aug 21 you wrote:

> What kind of carb synch. do you use Kent?  Mercury or roung gauges?  I know
> you recently provided us with the technique to synch. the carbs, I'll have
> to dig it out of the archives.

That was someone else. Actually, there is a bit more involved technique
that I use. Maybe I'll write it up sometime. I use water tube gauges.
I like water tubes. I leveled my house with 'em. The guy helping me
pour my capfloors brought in a $2000 transit 'cause he didn't trust me.
I was within 1/16" over 120' at every intersection. My 'transit' only
required a garden hose and two short lengths of clear plastic tube
stuck on the ends. And my kids learned about hydrostatics in the 
process.(against their will) :^)

In the meantime, the technique posted earler gets pretty close if the
mixture isn't off.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 03:52:50 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: PC800 replacement windshield

I am interested in PC 800 owners' experience with replacement windshields
from aftermarket makers. I am aware of the optional windshield offered by
Honda and it would probably serve my needs and I will buy one if there is no
better alternative available, but I would like to study the alternatives
before making that decision.

The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
ride.  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
them.




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:55:00 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Top speed

Howdy.

Last Sunday morning, when we were staying out at a friend's farm on the
back side of a mountain facing the Bay of Fundy, I discovered to my horror
that there was only decaf coffee grounds in the 'fridge.

Now, my buddy is a complete helpless zombie until he's had half a pot of
java, so something had to be done.  I hopped on the bike and headed up the
dirt road, to the sandcoat road across and down the mountain towards the
highway.  The next town down the road, 15 miles or so, has a "Tim Horton's"
(which Americans will be learning about soon- suffice to say that 98% of
the Canadian population lives within a 5-mile radius of one or more Tim
Hortons, they're 24 hours, and they make the best damn coffee anywhere,
sell ground coffee too, and- have just merged with Wendy's.)

So, it being 7 AM on a calm Sunday morning, I had the road to myself, so I
got to check out the top speed of the PC in a no-wind situation.

Mine does just a teeny bit over 180km/h- about 112mph, with the throttle
all the way open.  The tach was, as I recall, at about 7K at that point,
somewhat under redline, so I wasn't particularly worried about engine
damage for the short drive.

Anyway, I got to the Timmy's, got the coffee, and got back to the farm in
time to have a pot of high-octane brewed before anyone else woke up.

Does this fit with other people's experiences?  I mean the speed, not the
coffee crisis.  I have the tall Rifle windshield (which, TedJ101@aol.com, I
installed myself and am completely happy with) so I would expect that to
eat a few MPH off the top, but my thought is that really it can't go much
faster than that without hitting redline anyway.

--
Daniel MacKay                                   daniel@nstn.ca
Homo habilis                                    Nova Scotia, Canada




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:49:42 -0400
From: DGrossSEA@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

ted...

what year is her bike?  If she's on an '*89, try putting a windshield from a
later year on it..they're bigger..also, get her a Corbin Saddle for the
bike..it will drop her down another 1.5 Inches lower to the ground (and it
looks cool)

dave


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:49:35 -0400
From: DGrossSEA@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Top speed

wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much and I
don't feel like it has a lot of control....what kind of tires, Daniel?

PS...I have a coffee crisis every morning....and I'm in Seattle

Dave Gross


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 10:34:19 EDT
From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Top speed

>wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much...

My '89 is rock solid on its Metzelers, right up through 90 MPH, where I chicken 
out (the bike has lots left at that speed, I just run out of nerve). No sign of 
shimmy or instability at all.

Mike "Sir, do you know just how fast you were going?" White



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 10:34:03 EDT
From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

... I don't like it. The color scheme, that is. The bright red doesn't suit the 
friendly, graceful PC at all; it's the girl next door painted up like a hooker. 
My main problem though is with the grey on the lower part of the body. It's a 
much darker, almost black shade of grey; I like the old silver-grey much better. 
It's all a matter of taste (and I'm sure it wouldn't taste very good either :-). 
Anyone else have a reaction to the new colors?

Mike "The more bikes I see, the more I like my '89 Coaster" White



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Top speed
	     (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay))
	     (at Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:55:00 -0300)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 10:11:47 CST

Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in <ac5f70c00702100434f7@[137.186.9.1]> on Aug 22 you wrote:

> Mine does just a teeny bit over 180km/h- about 112mph, with the throttle
> all the way open.  The tach was, as I recall, at about 7K at that point,
> somewhat under redline, so I wasn't particularly worried about engine
> damage for the short drive.
[...]
> eat a few MPH off the top, but my thought is that really it can't go much
> faster than that without hitting redline anyway.

First off, the engine in the PC is one of the more overbuilt/bullet-
proof engines that honda makes. I know several people who flattract 
with essentially that same engine. With some beefier valvesprings, 
they bump the redline up almost 3k.  I wish I could find some somewhere
in between the stock and what they use...  For engine steering, I
have to get the revvs up above 6k or the throttle response isn't
accurate enough. That only leaves 1600 rpm to run in. :^(  As a
result, I've run the bike for literally hours on end right at redline
and I have 44k miles on it and can't determine any bad effects
(other than ground-off pegs, centerstand, front crashbar covers
and boots).  As to top speed, I have a '90 with the std shield and
have hit indicated 120 quite a few times.  The bike starts becoming
a handful in sweepers above 110, and that's with progressive fork 
springs, 17wt oil, Works custom rear shocks, and dropped forks. 
I remember how unstable the bike was stock at those speeds. And
road bumps or uneven corners were flat scarey. They guys used to 
call my bike the 'Slinky Trunk' before I got the rear shocks on.
It still needs a fork brace...  Though I have a feeling that the 
new Battlaxe on the front is going to provide more stability than 
the ME33's did. It certainly does at normal speeds, while still
allowing the same flickabilty.

I did hit over 125 even with carrying a passenger in NM coming off
a mesa with a tailwind. I floated a lifter when a drop unloaded 
the engine... Strange sound. :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:31:47 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: Top speed

Up in the wide open spaces of NW Arizona, I had the opportunity to open
"Little Wing" up all the way.  The wind was very low and I might have had a
teeny down-grade but basically level terrain.  The road surface was somewhat
course asphalt.  I got it up to about 105-107 MPH and couldn't get any more.
I have the original tires (9000 mi.) and the stock windshield.  Ride was
absolutely solid.  I would have been willing to go faster if there had been
more power available but it probably wouldn't have been prudent.  

>Does this fit with other people's experiences?  I mean the speed, not the
>coffee crisis.  I have the tall Rifle windshield (which, TedJ101@aol.com, I
>installed myself and am completely happy with) so I would expect that to
>eat a few MPH off the top, but my thought is that really it can't go much
>faster than that without hitting redline anyway.

Does this mean that Circle-K will be changing their name to Tim Hortons?



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:01:01 -0400
From: SethMiller@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: TedJ101@aol.com
Subject: Aftermarket Windscreens

Hi Ted -

I have had the Rifle unit installed for about a year or so now and like it
very much. The windscreen itself is not quite as thick and sturdy as the
original equipment screen, but seems to be quite adequate to the task. I have
had no cracks show up or any other problems in the time I've owned it, and it
seems sturdy enough at speed (I've tested it to about 85 mph with no
problems, and that's fast enough for a bike like the PC).

It WILL solve the windnoise problem, or at least it definately did for me.
Earplugs are even optional now...  I tried several halfway solutions (edging,
etc.) but this was the only action that really cured the problem. The only
downside to the larger screen is that it does negatively affect handling -
you can really feel the larger screen. I also got the shortest screen
available (4" taller than stock), which I think is the best compromise
between wind protection and negative handling effects (after all, if I wanted
a Goldwing, I would have bought one...). Besides being 4" taller, the screen
is mounted at a much less of an angle than the stock screen on an '89, and as
I said, it really improves wind protection and greatly reduces noise. The
only other downsize that I can think of is that I have heard reports of poor
customer service from Rifle, and while I personally had no problems, they
didn't seem all that friendly and didn't ship all that quickly. All in all,
though, I would definately recommend the purchase.


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:01:14 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Re: I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

Hi Folks - 

I've only seen pictures, but I thought it (the new RED-over-charcoal paint
job) was pretty nifty.

Of course, my tastes run toward loud hawaiian shirts, and I always thought
that the girl next door needed a bit more eyeshadow.........   ;-)


At 10:34 AM 8/22/95 -0400, Michael White wrote:
>I saw a '96 yesterday, and...
>
>... I don't like it. The color scheme, that is. The bright red doesn't suit
the 
>friendly, graceful PC at all; it's the girl next door painted up like a
hooker. 
>My main problem though is with the grey on the lower part of the body. It's a 
>much darker, almost black shade of grey; I like the old silver-grey much
better. 
>It's all a matter of taste (and I'm sure it wouldn't taste very good either
:-). 
>Anyone else have a reaction to the new colors?


Cheers - Spencer
(Not a PC in the family yet, but maybe for my wife's next birthday....)

Spencer Farrow
'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost
COG # 2014
AMA # (misplaced)
sfarrow@radford.com



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:16:05 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
>riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
>makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
>ride.

I'm 5' 7" and the +2 version of the Rifle shield works just about perfect
for me.
I am also convinced that at least half of the turbulence/noise spills from
the _sides_ of the stock shield.  Therefore a wider shield should give you a
quieter ride.  I know it does for me.

>  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
>would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
>Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
>the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
>shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
>them.

My only complaint is the fit.  Finish is ok but the fit with all the plastic
parts is less than perfect.  Maybe they got that fixed by now.  Also, a
warning if you get one.  I couldn't resist tightening the nuts that hold the
clear portion of the shield (i thought they were loose) and now I have
stress cracks an all the holes :-(.  They are not getting any bigger but I'm
still concerned.  Good luck.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:23:41 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Top speed

>
>Does this fit with other people's experiences?  I mean the speed, not the
>coffee crisis.  I have the tall Rifle windshield (which, TedJ101@aol.com, I
>installed myself and am completely happy with) so I would expect that to
>eat a few MPH off the top, but my thought is that really it can't go much
>faster than that without hitting redline anyway.

I've had my PC up to an indicated 105 MPH and still had about 1000 rpm's left.
I ran out of road before steam.  This has been done with both the stock
shield and the +2 Rifle shield.  I also recall Kent saying that the engine
was good for more than redline but I don't remember by how much.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:29:40 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

>... I don't like it. The color scheme, that is. The bright red doesn't suit
the 
>friendly, graceful PC at all; it's the girl next door painted up like a
hooker. 

I agree,  It gives the bike a malevolent appearance that the performance can
not back up.  It would be OK on a ZX11 but... on a PC?

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:01:31 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Re: Top speed

Hi again, fellow Coasties - 

On the subject of speeding up a PC,

At 10:11 AM 8/22/95 -0600, Kent Polk wrote:
>
>First off, the engine in the PC is one of the more overbuilt/bullet-
>proof engines that honda makes. I know several people who flattract 
>with essentially that same engine. With some beefier valvesprings, 
>they bump the redline up almost 3k.  I wish I could find some somewhere
>in between the stock and what they use... 

Has anybody given any thought to adding one of the old Shadow 1100 engines
to a PC?  My understanding is that they are based on the same cases, so
perhaps it would bolt right in (not bloody likely, however - that would be
too easy!).

Starting with about 38% more displacement, *then* add stiffer springs,
hotter cam, and so forth.  The resulting bike would probably shake a bit,
though......

Cheers - Spencer (whose wife thinks the PC is plenty fast, thank you....)


Spencer Farrow
'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost
COG # 2014
AMA # (misplaced)
sfarrow@radford.com



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Top speed
	     (from Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>)
	     (at Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:01:31 -0700)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 12:13:32 CST

Hi Spencer (Spencer Farrow), in <199508221701.KAA24397@radford.com> on Aug 22 you wrote:

> Has anybody given any thought to adding one of the old Shadow 1100 engines
> to a PC?

Yes.  Any donations to the test case will be gladly accepted. :^)
Gotta wait till I finish my house though. :^(

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 14:25:31 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Top speed

Dave Gross writes:

>wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much and I
>don't feel like it has a lot of control....what kind of tires, Daniel?

ML2s; almost time for a new front one.  As I posted before, there is zero
shimmy or vibration on the handlebars at any speed on the bike, so it's
time to get your front end checked; mine feels more glued to the road the
faster it goes.

I was expecting the tall Rifle windshield to deflect and flounce at high
speed, but it didn't at all.




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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 10:06:27 TZ
Subject: RE: PC800 replacement windshield

Rifle makes a shield of various heights (0,2, and 4" taller than 
stock).  It's a 2 piece design where the lower is a black fiberglass 
and about 6 inches high in the center.  The upper is clear plexiglass.  
The reason for the 2 piece design they say is to "correct" the shape of 
the shield and give it a higher profile so that wind is pushed up 
higher over the rider.  I was a bit concerned it would really change 
the look of the bike but thus far I've had nothing but compliments on 
my white '89 PC.

I bought one 4" taller as I'm 5'9" tall.  The wind is now over my 
helmet about 2 inches and the ride is much quieter.  My passenger has 
better protection as well though I can attest that the wind envelope 
does start to collapse just behind the driver.  I do get a slight 
reflection of the key ring in bright sunlight sometimes.  At higher 
speeds riding one up I sometimes have some wind pressure on my back 
pushing me forward though I rarely notice it any longer.  Scratches 
will happen but I've found them easy to buff out with plastic scratch 
remover I got from Novus.  I've had it over a year now with 15k miles 
and it still looks new.

-bryceu

----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
----------------------------------------------------------
----------
| From:  <TedJ101@aol.com>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: PC800 replacement windshield
| Date: Tuesday, August 22, 1995 3:52AM
|
| I am interested in PC 800 owners' experience with replacement windshields
| from aftermarket makers. I am aware of the optional windshield offered by
| Honda and it would probably serve my needs and I will buy one if there is no
| better alternative available, but I would like to study the alternatives
| before making that decision.
|
| The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
| riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
| makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
| ride.  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
| would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
| Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
| the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
| shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
| them.
|
| 




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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Top speed
	     (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay))
	     (at Tue, 22 Aug 1995 14:25:31 -0300)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 12:44:47 CST

Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in <ac5fc27d0102100482ec@[129.173.2.98]> on Aug 22 you wrote:

> Dave Gross writes:
> 
> >wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much and I
> >don't feel like it has a lot of control....what kind of tires, Daniel?

Maybe you ought to check your wheel bearings also. Especially on the
front. I've mentioned this before, but the PC uses an oversized
axle there and as a result, requires bearings with 'small balls' :^)
And it shows. I have ~44k or so miles and, while I'm pretty particular 
about bearing wear, I just replaced the front ones for the second
time. I had decided not to replace the rear ones when I changed tires,
but the hub is generating a bit more heat than it should, so I'll 
probably change out the rear ones this weekend.

i.e. worn wheel bearings will most certainly produce wheel wobble
and the PC should be able to handle 85 mph like silk. And just 
because a bearing runs smooth doesn't mean that it is in good
condition...

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 14:34:03 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[3]: Top speed

>wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much...

My '89 is rock solid on its Metzelers, right up through 90 MPH, where I chicken 
out (the bike has lots left at that speed, I just run out of nerve). No sign of 
shimmy or instability at all.

Mike "Sir, do you know just how fast you were going?" White


Which Metzlers are they?

Anyone have any problem with Metz's?

Anyone have a better suggestion?

stevea@sc.edu

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 14:32:12 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

I am interested in PC 800 owners' experience with replacement windshields
from aftermarket makers. I am aware of the optional windshield offered by
Honda and it would probably serve my needs and I will buy one if there is no
better alternative available, but I would like to study the alternatives
before making that decision.

The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
ride.  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
them.

I bought the Honda extra large wind shield... and I was very happy UNTIL it 
melted my dashbnoard (twice) and then self dsestructed when I used rainex (NOW 
they warn you off about rainex--when I bought it they said NOTHING!)

Rifle makes a 22-24" two piece wind shield (as measures from the faring) which 
is narrower than the Honda wind shield, but is taller (and cheaper). I am 
considering getting a custom made even taller version from them after my next 
paycheck (just spent nearly $280 on a Corbin Seat!)

Their fax is 805-466-9543

Let me know if you decide to get one how it works for her since I am also 5'-4" 
(with shoes!) and do not know if the custom 26" would be necessary for an extra 
$15.

PS what is your individual e-mail address?

stevea@sc.edu

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 14:37:09 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

... I don't like it. The color scheme, that is. The bright red doesn't suit the

friendly, graceful PC at all; it's the girl next door painted up like a hooker. 
My main problem though is with the grey on the lower part of the body. It's a 
much darker, almost black shade of grey; I like the old silver-grey much better.

It's all a matter of taste (and I'm sure it wouldn't taste very good either :-).

Anyone else have a reaction to the new colors?

Mike "The more bikes I see, the more I like my '89 Coaster" White


Couldn't aggree more (in fact I DID agree on a message posted last week)

stevea@sc.edu ('89 girl next door owner)

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 14:49:25 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Top speed

Dave Gross writes:

>wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much and I
>don't feel like it has a lot of control....what kind of tires, Daniel?

ML2s; almost time for a new front one.  As I posted before, there is zero
shimmy or vibration on the handlebars at any speed on the bike, so it's
time to get your front end checked; mine feels more glued to the road the
faster it goes.

I was expecting the tall Rifle windshield to deflect and flounce at high
speed, but it didn't at all.


What height Rifle did you get-- the 24"?

I amd considering even higher-- a waste?

stevea@sc.edu 


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 15:12:04 -0400
From: DGrossSEA@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I saw a '96 yesterday, and...

yah...I love my White '89 too...but it would be cool to take the charcol
black under parts and put em on the White bike...hhhhmmmmmmmm

dave


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: PC800 Mail List <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Louder Horn

I was going home the other day and a box jockey almost turned me into 
road kill.  I had replaced my horn with a louder one (120db I think) but 
it still didn't get their attention.  I was wondering if anyone else had 
put one of them 18 wheeler blow horns on their PC or something.

=========================================================================
Johan Lai                            UUCP Mail: None
Unix Systems Admin               Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com
Engineering Services                Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard
FileNet Corporation                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

"System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it."
=========================================================================



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Louder Horn
	     (from Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>)
	     (at Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 14:59:19 CST

Hi Johan (Johan Lai), in <Pine.A32.3.91.950822123717.136658H-100000@bob> on Aug 22 you wrote:

> I was going home the other day and a box jockey almost turned me into 
> road kill.  I had replaced my horn with a louder one (120db I think) but 
> it still didn't get their attention.  I was wondering if anyone else had 
> put one of them 18 wheeler blow horns on their PC or something.

I recently posted an article on how to mount a pair of Fiamm air
horns to the PC. Might check back postings. Think it was late
spring sometime. I use them in conjunction with my 110db horns
I mounted back in '92 which I moved down inside the front crash
bars.

The 4-horn combo has, in every case so far, caused the offending
cager to immediately change course, and look for what almost
ran them over. :^)

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 18:53:46 UT
From: "Richard Foreman" <BetaTester@msn.com>
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Pilot Jets

Does anyone know how to get the pilot jet covers off so I can adjust my 
carbs?  I have a bad flat spot at 2500 rpm.

Thanks  BetaTester@msn.com


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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:13:31 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: I saw a '96 yester...

>> Anyone else have a reaction to the new colors? <<

Yeah, I bought a '95 in part because neither my wife nor I cared for the fire
engine red of the '96.  Didn't care for the $900 price increase either
<grin>...




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:39:33 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens

>> I have had the Rifle unit installed for about a year or so now and like it
very much. <<

Seth,
Thanks for the very complete feedback on the Rifle unit. Since my wife has a
'95, it would only be about 2" taller than her stock screen which is about
right.  Is it hard to install?




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:36:05 -0400
From: TedJ101@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement ...

>> what year is her bike?  If she's on an '*89, try putting a windshield from
a later year on it..they're bigger..<<

Dave,

It's a brand new 1995 so she has the "bigger" stock windshield.  I wanted
something a bit taller (about the height of the optional windshield without
the extra width).  




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:39:08 -0400
From: SethMiller@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: TedJ101@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens

> Is it hard to install?

Nope.  You need to remove the trim piece located just above the headlight,
then the stock windscreen (of course), then mount the Rifle windscreen base
(a piece of thick molded black plastic) with the original windshield mounting
screws. The new Rifle windscreen then mounts to the base with eight nylon
bolts.

Everything went together pretty easy; I did have to "modify" one of the
mounting holes on the Rifle base to get everything to line up, but it wasn't
any great amount of trouble.

I am expecting to see a life expectency at least as good as the stock unit,
although if I ever need a new screen I will have to get it from Rifle, so I
hope that they stay in business...






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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 16:51:46 TZ
Subject: RE: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens

You need to remove 2 allan screws on each mirror, and then the plastic 
strip just below the shield (2 more screws).  The sheild vent comes off 
(2 screws) and then about 6 screws hold the sheild on.  Should take 15 
minutes to remove the sheild

To put the Rifle on, you have to use these small plastic bolts to 
attatch the upper plexiglass the the lower fiberglass section.  To not 
tighten with more than a slight amound of pressure!  After that you 
reverse the above process.

Rifle's instructions will explain this.  30-40 minutes to do the job 
and clean up your fingerprints.

-bryceu
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| From:  <TedJ101@aol.com>
| To:  <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>
| Subject: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens
| Date: Tuesday, August 22, 1995 6:39PM
|
| >> I have had the Rifle unit installed for about a year or so now and like it
| very much. <<
|
| Seth,
| Thanks for the very complete feedback on the Rifle unit. Since my wife has a
| '95, it would only be about 2" taller than her stock screen which is about
| right.  Is it hard to install?
|
| 




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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:25:50 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens

>> Is it hard to install?
>
>Nope.  You need to remove the trim piece located just above the headlight,
>then the stock windscreen (of course),

you will also have to remove the mirrors, two allen bolts a piece.

>then mount the Rifle windscreen base
>(a piece of thick molded black plastic) with the original windshield mounting
>screws. The new Rifle windscreen then mounts to the base with eight nylon
>bolts.

Be careful not to over torque these.  I would recomend larger washers to
spread out the stress.

>Everything went together pretty easy; I did have to "modify" one of the
>mounting holes on the Rifle base to get everything to line up, but it wasn't

I had to do the same thing, "customize" with a drill.

>any great amount of trouble.
>
>I am expecting to see a life expectency at least as good as the stock unit,
>although if I ever need a new screen I will have to get it from Rifle, so I
>hope that they stay in business...

I believe a good plexiglass place can reproduce the clear portion of the
shield without too much trouble, since it does not have the compound curves
of the stock unit.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:30:02 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: RE: Re: Aftermarket Windscreens

>To put the Rifle on, you have to use these small plastic bolts to 
>attatch the upper plexiglass the the lower fiberglass section.  To not 
>tighten with more than a slight amound of pressure!  After that you 
>reverse the above process.
>
>Rifle's instructions will explain this.  30-40 minutes to do the job 
>and clean up your fingerprints.
>
>-bryceu


Interesting... My shield was already assembled and did *not* include any
instructions.
Maybe I can get a rebate for them :-) ?
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Pilot Jets
	     (from Richard Foreman <BetaTester@msn.com>)
	     (at Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:53:46 +0000 (UT))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 21:09:52 CST

Hi Richard (Richard Foreman), in <UPMAIL01.199508221854260857@msn.com> on Aug 22 you wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get the pilot jet covers off so I can adjust my 
> carbs?  I have a bad flat spot at 2500 rpm.

Best not to mess with the pilot jets. They have covers on them for a 
reason...  If you get your mixture and sync right, I'll almost guarantee 
that flat spot will go away.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:51:48 -0700

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 19:51:48 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: RE: Shipping your bike.

>Bike shipping............
>
>Check out the........I believe, June issue of the AMA's American Motorcyclist.
>The center section should be the annual AMA "Yellow Pages."  The last time I
>looked in there they had a section on shippers.  For domestic shipping I've
>heard that some of the moving companies like United, Atlas Van Lines, and 
>others will do MC shipping.
>Cory


I used the AMA recommended guys (Federated, I think) to ship 2 PCs from FL
to WA.  Cost just under $1000.



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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 21:25:55 TZ
Subject: Trip Report (long):  Oregon Coast July 4th holiday

<<Sorry for such a delayed report.  I've been away on business and 
didn't have my maps with me to finish the route details.>>

On Sunday, July 2nd my co-rider Leanne and I left Kirkland, WA headed 
for Lincoln City, OR.  Our intent for the trip was to see the Oregon 
Coast lighthouses and have a "test trip".  This test trip was to figure 
out what we needed to pack, not pack, and how to be comfortable for a 
planned 2-week tour of New England this coming October on the PC.

PACKING:  The PC800 has a fairly large trunk but not big enough to hold 
all our camping gear for two.  Using some long nylon backpacking  
straps, I fastened our tent, sleeping bag, thermarest pads, and some 
other odd/ends stuffed in a bag to the passenger grab rails.  Fold the 
straps in half, push the loop up behind the rail, thread the 2 loose 
ends through the loop, and pull the tighten around the rail.  When 
cinched down tight the load is very stable and fully supported by the 
top of the trunk and secured to the rails.  The extra goods help to 
hold Leanne on the back and give her someplace to rest her arms.   
However, the strapped on bags do block most of the view from my 
mirrors.  I also include an extra strapped on bag to hold raingeer and 
polarfleece garments we take on/off throughout the day. Wet shammy 
towels get strapped on top to dry in the breeze.

PRODUCT TESTING: As this was our training trip we had some new gear to 
test out.  We both wore Eclipse electric vests and Leanne often wore a 
matching pair of electric chaps.  These garments are GREAT!  Leanne has 
always been one to be a lot colder than I so she kept hers turned on 
most of the trip. (mid-70's and below).  We also brought along a new 
Thermarest sleeping bag with the "thermo-coupler" option. The coupler 
is basically a bottom sheet that zips to one sleeping bag.  The sheet 
has fittings on the bottom for 2 thermarest pads to provide insulation 
and comfort beneath us. The result is a sleeping bag for two with the 
weight/size of only one bag!  The provided stuff sack was rather large 
so next trip I'll get a compression sack and bring it down to size.  
The last bit of gear was a new Chase Harper Eurosport Tankbag.  The bag 
has lots of outer pockets, 2 main compartments, and a folding plastic 
stiffener to hold it's shape. The bag mounts well on the top shelter of 
the PC but does impare the handlebar movement a little bit.  The top of 
the bag is a flap that opens with zippers and has velcro to loosely 
close it if needed.  Great design on the lid because it allows easy 
access to the bag while riding.

THE TRIP: The trip down I-5 to south Portland was mostly uneventful and 
fast.  We gassed up once at Kalama and visited an historic white church 
perched on a hillside overlooking the town.  Leanne had always admired 
it driving by on I-5 so I though I'd give her a treat and have a closer 
look.  Just south of Portland we turned off to State Hwy 99w/18 for 
Lincoln City.  We found the KOA just outside of town and setup our 
first camp around dusk and quickly hit the hay.

For day two we left most of our gear at the campsite and continued 
south down Hwy 101 to Newport, OR.  Weather was in the low 60's with a 
heavy fog that limited visibility till mid-afternoon.  We opted to see 
Newport first and wait for the weather to improve before stopping at 
any lighthouses.  Newport is one of the few ports along the Oregon 
coast and is famous for it's lighthouses, dory fleet, and old-town 
charm.  Stopped for lunch at a local brew-pub (excellent!). Saw our 
first lighthouse just outside of town and was treated to an excellent 
tour by the historical society member there that day.

We continued south to the infamous Sea-Lion Caves and did the tourist 
thing and actually went in.  We were both amazed to find it a quality 
attraction and very sensitive to the animals habitat.  I recommend it 
if your in the area and curious about the animals.

We turned north again and took a scenic overlook detour off the side of 
the road.  After about 10 miles of VERY twisty road (fun!) we popped 
out of the trees on top of a hill with a breathtaking overlook of the 
coast.  Wow!  We stopped at 2 other lighthouses that day, including 
Heceta Head, before calling it a day and going back to camp.  We cooked 
our own dinner that night on the backpacking stove we had brought with us.

Sunshine and mid-70's temps greeted us on July 4th.  We took our time 
packing up camp and finally left Lincoln City around 11:30.  We made a 
quick decision to go north and look for gas instead of going back into 
Lincoln City to fill up.  The gas guage said E and 20 miles later we 
were still looking for gas and getting worried.  By the time we found 
gas  we had gone over 180 miles and had only fumes left in the tank.  
After the scare, we took a scenic coastal road just off Hwy 101 that 
led to Pacific City and Oceanside.  This turned out to be a GREAT rode 
for a motorcycle and the view was excellent.  Stopped at the Cape 
Meares lighthouse near the end of it and then rejoined Hwy 101 at 
Tillamook.  We opted to skip the Tillamook Cheese Factory tour as we 
had taken it the previous summer.  We drove on to Cannon Beach (one of 
Leanne's all time favorite places) and stopped for pizza and a little 
shopping.  After dinner we contined north to Seaside, OR and stopped 
for the night at a KOA nearby.

 We had heard there would be a big fireworks show at the Seaside beach 
so we headed back to town around 8pm.  The beach was full with 
thousands of people, most of whom were shooting their own fireworks in 
anticipation of the big show.  Needless to say it was quite scary with 
all the burning things flying through the air.  One couple near us on 
the beach asked if they could borrow our helmets for protection!  Once 
the big show began the personal fireworks displays tapered off and the 
ooh's and aahhh's continued for over 30 minutes.  Once the show ended 
we made a quick exit and called it a night.

Wednesday was to be our last day.  Sunshine and blue sky kept us warm 
as we took our time packing camp and decided that we'd take the scenic 
way home.  Our first stop was Ft Stevens State Park at the mouth of the 
Columbia.  The old WW1 bunkers and Lewis and Clark exhibits were 
interesting as well as the history of the many shipwrecks that had been 
caught by the treacherous sand bars.  We headed for an excellent brunch 
at Astoria's Dutch Cup restaurant.  Afterwards we asked a few locals 
about  the Astoria Tower and took their advice and drove up the 
hillside for one of the most spectacular views of the Columbia and 
Pacific you could ask for.  Wow!  Looking at the map we noticed 2 more 
lighthouses on the Washington side of the river so off we went to Cape 
Disappointment and Ft. Candby State Park.  One more Lewis and Clark 
interpretive center that afternoon and we finally had to call it quits. 
 We took the scenic Hwy 4 along the north edge of the Columbia river 
back to I-5 and hightailed it the rest of the way home.  Bummer we had 
to go back to work the next day.

-bryceu
----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 21:30:53 TZ
Subject:  New License Plate!

Thought I'd announne my new personalized plates to y'all.  With only 6 
characters to work with the DOL and I finally came up with the logo 
"PERLPC".  I should have the new plates in a few weeks.

Now I need to figure out how to keep a carboard temporary dry and 
attatched to the back of a motorcyle.  Seems senseless that they'd 
recommend putting in the back window.  \"/

-bryceu
----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 05:21:54 UT
From: "Richard Foreman" <BetaTester@msn.com>
To: "'PC800 Mailing List'" <pc800@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Highest Miles

I'm not sure if this subject has come up yet.  But what is the highest 
mileage PC around?  Any over 50K or 75+.

Just wondering what to expect 
from my 95 PC if I take great care of it.

BetaTester@msn.com


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Date:     Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:06 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: Re[3]: Top speed

>>wow...when mine gets close to 85 mph, it starts to shimmy too much...

>My '89 is rock solid on its Metzelers, right up through 90 MPH, where I chicken 
>out (the bike has lots left at that speed, I just run out of nerve). No sign of 
>shimmy or instability at all.

>Mike "Sir, do you know just how fast you were going?" White


>Which Metzlers are they?

The Metz ML2 (Front) and ML2+ (Rear) are the ones made for the PC. They have 
been very good and make me feel very comfortable.....lots of confidence!

>Anyone have any problem with Metz's?

Mine seem to be very sensitive to air pressure.  I feel I now have to check
pressure more often than I use to......not a bad thing, really.  4 to 6 
pounds low and the ol' head shake comes back.

>Anyone have a better suggestion?

>stevea@sc.edu


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Louder Horn

Thanks Kent!  Can you kindly point me to the archives?  I just thought of 
something else I needed to look up so I need to know that address 
anyway.  Thanks again.

=========================================================================
Johan Lai                            UUCP Mail: None
Unix Systems Admin               Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com
Engineering Services                Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard
FileNet Corporation                             Costa Mesa, CA 92626

"System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it."
=========================================================================


On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, Kent Polk wrote:

> Hi Johan (Johan Lai), in <Pine.A32.3.91.950822123717.136658H-100000@bob> on Aug 22 you wrote:
> 
> > I was going home the other day and a box jockey almost turned me into 
> > road kill.  I had replaced my horn with a louder one (120db I think) but 
> > it still didn't get their attention.  I was wondering if anyone else had 
> > put one of them 18 wheeler blow horns on their PC or something.
> 
> I recently posted an article on how to mount a pair of Fiamm air
> horns to the PC. Might check back postings. Think it was late
> spring sometime. I use them in conjunction with my 110db horns
> I mounted back in '92 which I moved down inside the front crash
> bars.
> 
> The 4-horn combo has, in every case so far, caused the offending
> cager to immediately change course, and look for what almost
> ran them over. :^)
> 
> Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
> Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu
> 
> 
> 


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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Louder Horn
	     (from Johan Lai <jlai@filenet.com>)
	     (at Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT))
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 11:55:23 CST

Hi Johan (Johan Lai), in <Pine.A32.3.91.950823093128.140816C-100000@bob> on Aug 23 you wrote:

> Thanks Kent!  Can you kindly point me to the archives?  I just thought of 
> something else I needed to look up so I need to know that address 
> anyway.  Thanks again.

Majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu
help pc800

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 13:02:54 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (Richard_Foreman)_BetaTester@msn.com
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Highest Miles                                     


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/23/95 13:03 ##
94K+, first one had 58K+ - both '90s.
Roger


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From: (Richard Foreman) BetaTester@msn.com:dg-smtp
Date: ## 08/23/95 05:21 ##
I'm not sure if this subject has come up yet.  But what is the highest 
mileage PC around?  Any over 50K or 75+.

Just wondering what to expect 
from my 95 PC if I take great care of it.

BetaTester@msn.com



  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:39:44 -0700

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:39:44 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re:  New License Plate!

>Now I need to figure out how to keep a carboard temporary dry and 
>attatched to the back of a motorcyle.  Seems senseless that they'd 
>recommend putting in the back window.  \"/
>
>-bryceu

Bryce,

Nice idea....  Of course, it's not going to rain here until October, right?!?!


(use a big baggie & some scotch tape.  Worked for me in FL during the
monsoon season.



Steve

'90 PC (& a drysuit)



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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 15:27:18 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield                  


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/23/95 15:28 ##
Exactly what did the Rain-X do to the windshield?  Do you know why?
I know people who use it on their faceshields (Shoei).  I believe I 
read somewhere that Fog City shouldn't be used on Shoei shields.
Roger


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From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu:dg-smtp
Date: ## 08/22/95 14:32 ##
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:44:47 -0300
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield
Roger: 

>Exactly what did the Rain-X do to the windshield?

I think it coats it with a few-molecules-thick layer of hydrophobic polymers.

-dan




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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:48:16 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>Exactly what did the Rain-X do to the windshield?  Do you know why?
>I know people who use it on their faceshields (Shoei).  I believe I 
>read somewhere that Fog City shouldn't be used on Shoei shields.

Do you know why the Shoei shield warning?  Now that the weather
is rapidly cooling off here I was considering using one on my RF200.
My wife has a double pane shield on her  RF200 Blaze.  I haven't had
a chance to test it under field conditions... yet :-)

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:07:01 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Shoeis & Fog City Shields

Hi Folks - 

At 11:48 AM 8/23/95 -0700, Juan A. Goula wrote:

>Do you know why the Shoei shield warning?  Now that the weather
>is rapidly cooling off here I was considering using one on my RF200.
>My wife has a double pane shield on her  RF200 Blaze.  I haven't had
>a chance to test it under field conditions... yet :-)


On older Shoeis, there was a problem with the Fog City Shields sticking to
the faceshield;  i.e., they didn't stick very well, because Shoei was
coating the inside of their faceshields with some kind of slippery
(anti-fog?) goop.  I believe the newer ones don't have the goop.

There is an easy solution:

Wash the inside of the faceshield with denatured alcohol before pasting the
Fog City on.  That removes the goop.  (I think Windex works just as well,
but the Fog City guys recommend the alcohol, and for a while, included an
alcohol wipe in the package with the Fog City products.)

I have an old Shoei, and I'm on my second Fog City faceshield.  The first
one finally started to peel off after about 2 years of daily wear and abuse.
The current one has been on there for at least a year, with no sign of
unsticking so far.

The Fog Citys are *great*;  I wouldn't be without one in any kind of
cold/damp/inclement weather, 'cuz they make your faceshield totally
impervious to fogging up.

FYI,  I am in no way affiliated with Fog City.  

I *am* from the SF Bay area, and cold, damp, foggy weather here is an almost
constant possibility.  I also get *really annoyed* when my faceshield fogs
up, especially if the bike is moving.  Therefore, I was ecstatic when I
tried one of these things and it worked.  (The day after I bought one, I
bought several more for family and friends.)

Cheers - Spencer  (no PC yet, but well-prepared for coastal fog...)


Spencer Farrow
'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost
COG # 2014
AMA # (misplaced)
sfarrow@radford.com


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 16:16:56 EST
From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>Exactly what did the Rain-X do to the windshield?

I think it coats it with a few-molecules-thick layer of hydrophobic polymers.

-dan


Dan...

Is there are cure for the layer?

I am in the process of replacing the wind shield since I can NOT get it to clear
up. I've tried the obvious... scratch polishes, wind shield specialty cleaners, 
etc.

stevea@sc.edu


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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 21:32:23 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>I am interested in PC 800 owners' experience with replacement windshields
>from aftermarket makers. I am aware of the optional windshield offered by
>Honda and it would probably serve my needs and I will buy one if there is no
>better alternative available, but I would like to study the alternatives
>before making that decision.
>
>The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
>riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
>makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
>ride.  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
>would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
>Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
>the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
>shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
>them.

Rifle makes 3 different shield... while less rigid than the original
they're effective if you are willing (and able ) to make the change.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
E.Y. Murphey             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor
email: EYonline@aol.com
voice: 610-259-9861 (h)
         610-853-5900 x3978
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  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu>); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:28:31 -0700

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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:28:31 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross)
Subject: Re: Shoeis & Fog City Shields

>The Fog Citys are *great*;  I wouldn't be without one in any kind of
>cold/damp/inclement weather, 'cuz they make your faceshield totally
>impervious to fogging up.
>
>FYI,  I am in no way affiliated with Fog City.  
>


I'm in Seattle, & wouldn't be without one.  I've got an RF700, & the only
problem with it has been a little extra glare/reflection @ night;  That
could be a result of my wearing glasses, tho....


Steve



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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 00:37:46 -0400
From: JeffHO@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: What kind of car would a PC800 be?

Been out of town, so this reply is late, but I've always described the PC800
as the station wagon of motorcycles. Of course, I don't have a Buick Estate
Wagon in mind...more of an Audi or BMW wagon.

Jeff


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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 07:45:18 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (Juan_A._Goula)_jgoula@ims.alaska.edu
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield    


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/24/95 07:46 ##
I think the warning against Shoei shields is given by Fog City 
themselves.  It may reference the anti-scratch coating, which works 
very well.
Who makes the double pane shield for the Shoei?
Roger


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From: (Juan A. Goula) jgoula@ims.alaska.edu:dg-smtp
Date: ## 08/23/95 11:48 ##
>Exactly what did the Rain-X do to the windshield?  Do you know why?
>I know people who use it on their faceshields (Shoei).  I believe I 
>read somewhere that Fog City shouldn't be used on Shoei shields.

Do you know why the Shoei shield warning?  Now that the weather
is rapidly cooling off here I was considering using one on my RF200.
My wife has a double pane shield on her  RF200 Blaze.  I haven't had
a chance to test it under field conditions... yet :-)

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________





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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Highway robbery.
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:53:00 CST

Ok. I know Honda charges a lot. And that's to be expected, 
but get this:

That vacuum operated petcock we have is only sold as a single 
unit.  i.e. no diaphram sold separately. And the list price:


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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:43:41 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: Spencer Farrow <sfarrow@radford.com>
Subject: Re: Shoeis & Fog City Shields

At 07:28 PM 8/23/95 -0700, Steve Gross wrote:

>I'm in Seattle, & wouldn't be without one.  I've got an RF700, & the only
>problem with it has been a little extra glare/reflection @ night;  That
>could be a result of my wearing glasses, tho....

Nope, that's just what they do, it's not your glasses.  My only other
problem with the glasses/Fog City combination is that on really cold days,
my *glasses* are prone to fogging, even though my faceshield is clear.  But
they do clear up much faster than a fogged faceshield.

Cheers - Spencer

Spencer Farrow
'86 Concours - The Grey Ghost
COG # 2014
AMA # (misplaced)
sfarrow@radford.com



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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:26:51 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>From: Roger Prince:DGC
>Date: ## 08/24/95 07:46 ##
>I think the warning against Shoei shields is given by Fog City 
>themselves.  It may reference the anti-scratch coating, which works 
>very well.
>Who makes the double pane shield for the Shoei?
>Roger

Hmmm... I believe it was a Shoei OEM part.  I'll check and get
back to you on that.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:30:55 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Highway robbery.

>Ok. I know Honda charges a lot. And that's to be expected, 
>but get this:
>
>That vacuum operated petcock we have is only sold as a single 
>unit.  i.e. no diaphram sold separately. And the list price:


Arrrhgg!     I can't stand the suspense!   :-)
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:03:38 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Shoeis & Fog City Shields

> My only other
>problem with the glasses/Fog City combination is that on really cold days,
>my *glasses* are prone to fogging, even though my faceshield is clear.  But
>they do clear up much faster than a fogged faceshield.


I also wear glasses, and trying to keep them clear while riding my snomobile
becomes a real challenge.  The best results I've had are with the use of the
Scott (tm) anti-fog cloth.  Just add a bit of moisture to the surface to be
treated (like a puff of breath) and wipe it clean with the cloth.  It works
fine for about an hour at 0 - 10 F, longer at higher temperatures.  It is
not perfect, but short of having electrically heated lenses - or contacts -
it is the best solution I have found.  A recent issue of Motorcylce Consumer
News found out the same thing I believe.

Good luck.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Highway robbery.
	     (from jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula))
	     (at Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:30:55 -0700)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 12:38:06 CST

Hi Juan (Juan A. Goula), in <199508241624.IAA05154@jarvis.ims.alaska.edu> on Aug 24 you wrote:

> >Ok. I know Honda charges a lot. And that's to be expected, 
> >but get this:
> >
> >That vacuum operated petcock we have is only sold as a single 
> >unit.  i.e. no diaphram sold separately. And the list price:
> 
> 
> Arrrhgg!     I can't stand the suspense!   :-)

Dang. Something chopped off the rest of my mail. I'll see if I can
recollect :

  $101.38

Yes, that's over One Hundred Dollars to plug a couple of pinhole
leaks!

If everyone who has a gas smell would pls check to see if your
vacuum petcock is leaking and get back with me, I'll include the
info when I talk to Honda. Don't take the valve apart. Maybe just
affix some paper under the drain hole on the valve and see if
it get wet.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:41:48 -0800
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel)
Subject: HP

Does anybody know how many horses (as in Horse Power) does PC800 have?

Info appreciated.

Thanks,  George

George Korbel
Lawrence Livermore National Labs.




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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:47:25 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: test

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________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:53:13 -0400
From: SethMiller@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Highway robbery.

Over $100 for the fuel valve is unbelievable...  just a rubber diaphram and
some pot metal. How can they get away with that?

Maybe that's the biggest difference between the PC and a truck or station
wagon or whatever -- it the PC were a car, they would never get away with
charging such absurd prices for parts!

Kent, I have the fuel smell problem as well, but cannot detect any kind of
(visible) leak from the fuel petcock... yet...

One suggestion, if you can't get any relief on the list price, would be to
substitute a vacuum petcock from another and more common make of motorcycle.
The part would probably cost much less and would likely be fully functional,
although you would probably have to fashion a new mounting arrangement.

Seth



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Date:     Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:05 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  Re: Highway robbery.

Kent,
Add me to the "Gas smell league."  Saw that thread running a while back and
didn't think I had the problem.  After getting back from a ride the other 
day the gas smell was there.  Checked to see that it wasn't the old Ascot,
but it was the PC.  "89 PC bought new in Jan '91 w/ 23K miles.
Cory

From owner-pc800  Fri Aug 25 07:51:22 1995

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:47:22 -0400
From: DPENROD@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: PC800 replacement windshield

>I am interested in PC 800 owners' experience with replacement windshields
>from aftermarket makers. I am aware of the optional windshield offered by
>Honda and it would probably serve my needs and I will buy one if there is no
>better alternative available, but I would like to study the alternatives
>before making that decision.
>
>The bike is owned by my wife who is rather short (5'4").  However, like most
>riders, her head sticks into the windstream coming off the windshield which
>makes a heck of a row.  By crouching slightly, she has a more comfortable
>ride.  She would like a shield that is about 2 - 3 inches higher, though she
>would prefer one that is no wider than stock (as opposed to the optional
>Honda shield that is quite a bit wider).  There are a number of makers for
>the ST1100 (Rifle, Clearview etc.)  I was wondering if any of them makes a
>shield for the PC800 and if so whether anyone has had any experience with
>them.

Honda has 2 replacement screens. A tall and extra tall.    I got the extra
tall and it gives great coverage.   I can ride in light rain and only my hair
on top gets a little wet.   I can just see over the top of the windshield.
  If i did it again, I would jest get the tall, not the extra tall.  Im
5'10",  your wife definitely would not want the extra tall.
I put my stock screen back during the very hot weather in july/august, then
switch back to the tall screen.    Works well,  no handlig effect. 


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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Highway robbery.
	     (from SethMiller@aol.com)
	     (at Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:53:13 -0400)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 08:46:13 CST

Hi SethMiller (SethMiller), in <950824195312_82639570@mail02.mail.aol.com> on Aug 24 you wrote:

> Over $100 for the fuel valve is unbelievable...  just a rubber diaphram and
> some pot metal. How can they get away with that?

I suspect people pay and don't complain... :^(
Or they get it fixed while under warrantee. I suggest you guys get it
taken care of before your warranty is out.  And let me know the outcome.
I'd like a list of those who got it fixed - for the record. Maybe we
can convince Honda that it's worthwhile to just offer the diaphram for
replacement if we show there's enough of a problem.

> Kent, I have the fuel smell problem as well, but cannot detect any kind of
> (visible) leak from the fuel petcock... yet...

Ok. I put you and Cory on the list.  Again, if you find that it is 
leaking for sure, please let me know so I can mark it on the list.

> One suggestion, if you can't get any relief on the list price, would be to
> substitute a vacuum petcock from another and more common make of motorcycle.
> The part would probably cost much less and would likely be fully functional,
> although you would probably have to fashion a new mounting arrangement.

Yep. I've even thought of mounting a manual shutoff valve just in front
of the gas cap.  If anyone runs across one that works, pls let me know.
I taking the valve down to my local MC shop today to rummage through 
their box of goodies. If I find something that works, I'll let you 
know.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 08:22:01 -0400
From: HTBIII@aol.com
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Louder Horn

In a message dated 95-08-22 16:10:13 EDT, Kent Polk writes:

> I use them [air horns] in conjunction with my 110db horns
>I mounted back in '92 which I moved down inside the front crash
>bars.

Can you tell me more about the 110db horns (manufacturer, price, ease of
installation, etc.)?  I think that's what I would like to strt with before
goig the Big Rig route with air horns.  

Tom Byron


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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: Re: Louder Horn
	     (from HTBIII@aol.com)
	     (at Sat, 26 Aug 1995 08:22:01 -0400)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 95 08:50:52 CST

Hi HTBIII (HTBIII), in <950826082157_63747636@mail06.mail.aol.com> on Aug 26 you wrote:

> Can you tell me more about the 110db horns (manufacturer, price, ease of
> installation, etc.)?  I think that's what I would like to strt with before
> goig the Big Rig route with air horns.  

Std dual MC horns. You can pick them up at pretty much any mailorder or
local MC store. However, mounting air horns only requires two more screws,
the wiring is a lot easier, and you can usually get Fiamm airhorns for 
about the same price or even less. And the acoustic effect is MUCH greater.

I'd say go with the airhorns.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:15:38 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Louder Horn

>Can you tell me more about the 110db horns (manufacturer, price, ease of
>installation, etc.)?  I think that's what I would like to strt with before
>goig the Big Rig route with air horns.  


Tom, I am very happy that I did not go through the trouble of starting with
the louder horns.  Air horns were not that hard to install and sound great!
(even _my_ ears hurt a bit when I let gagers have it :-).   Kent did go
through the trouble of having both systems working at the same time plus the
originals to have a  "nice guy" mode. I just skipped the whole thing and
stuck to the air horns only working through the stock horn button with no
relay.  (no problems so far, and I'm not shy about using the horns).
Besides, it will give you the wonderful oportunity to undress your bike from
the waist up! (yeah, right..)

Good luck.

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:20:09 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Louder Horn

>I'd say go with the airhorns.

Hear, hear!  Besides, With  the air horns that Kent is talking about the PC
sounds more like a Ferrari than a Big Rig.  (cool! ) :-)

Juan
________________________________
Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390
HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800
1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
 ________________________________



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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:41:31 -0700
From: cbesch@ix.netcom.com (Clayton Besch )
Subject: Trunk won't close
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu

I have a '89 PC whose trunk won't latch shut.  While I've had similar 
symptoms in the past when the trunk has been over full, this time its 
empty.  Is there anyone who has had the same experience?  Is there a 
quick fix to the latch that I haven't figured out?

Thanks in advance.

Clayton Besch
cbesch@ix.netcom.com

	with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:06:55 -0400

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:06:31 -0400
From: JAN DEROOS <deroos@courier1.sha.cornell.edu>
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Information on a New Member

Members are encouraged to tell the list about themselves. 
Please take the time to tell the list the following info:

Name:      Jan A. deRoos
Location:  Ithaca, New York
Email:       jad10@cornell.edu
PC Model year (if you have one): 1989
Bought Used/New: Purchased used, 5000 mi.
Modifications made to bike:  None
Comments:  I traded in my Honda Elite 250cc scooter for
the PC about three weeks ago and can't figure out why I
waite so long.  My only complaint so far is that the bike is a
little cold blooded, taking 5 minutes or so to properly warm
up.



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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:45:40 TZ
Subject: RE: Information on a New Member

Welcome!  I made the same upgrade from a Honda Elite 250 scooter to a 
PC. Yes, I had the similar reaction of  wondering why I had waited so 
long.  \"/

Warming up a motorcycle will take longer than the scooter or most cars. 
 I just changed my habits to always start the bike first and then get 
the helmet/jacket/gloves/etc. inplace to buy some warm-up time.

----------------------------------------------------------
Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: Bryce Ulrich <bryceu@microsoft.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:54:29 TZ
Subject: RE: Trunk won't close

I think I'd look for some sort of obstruction or something way out of 
adjustment.  The latch on the trunk is actually 2 latches -- one up 
high and one lower near the license plate.

To adjust the lower, you need to remove the taillight/license plate 
assembly .  2 bolts hold the catch and when loosened you can 
raise/lower the catch.

A more likely culprit is the rubber "springs" just under the passenger 
seat next to the hydraulic lift.  They can be adjusted to give the seat 
some lift when you pull the trunk release.  The intent is to give you 
one-hand trunk release operation but if they are adjusted too far you 
may not allow the upper latch to get close enough to catch.

-bryceu
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Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205
Product Support Engineer:  Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA
'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140
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From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI)
Subject: Re: Information on a New Member
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 1:15:01 WST

> Members are encouraged to tell the list about themselves. 
> Please take the time to tell the list the following info:

Here's mine :
 
  Name:      Philips Wong
  Location:  Hong Kong
  Email:     pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk
  PC Model year (if you have one): 1990
  Bought Used/New: Purchased used, 6000 mi.
  Modifications made to bike:  Not yet
  Comments:  After riding my 1st bike, a HONDA CBX650 Custom for 1 year,
             and a '84 Gold Wing Aspencade for 8 months, I got pearl-white
             PC800.  Although I don't like its V-engine sound, and a little
             bit in lack of torque, it still a great bike in its class,
             especially its Lexus alike two-tone pearl-white.  After some
             kicks on the saddlebeg area while getting on and off the bike
             and cause some minor scratch, I think I need a kick plate, or
             some rails.  For routine or preventive maintenance, still I
             vote my Aspencade easier.

-- 
  *****************************************************************************
  *  Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM           '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow!        *
  *                PCA420 <-- Royal HK           Gold Wing Aspencade          *
  *                            Aux. Police  '90 HONDA PC800   <-- New toy!    *
  *                101177 <-- GWRRA #           HONDA CBX750  <-- Police bike *
  *  Police Training School taught :            YAMAHA 650    <-- Police bike *
  *  " I have the honor to be, Sir, your        YAMAHA 250    <-- Police bike *
  *          obedient servant! "            '89 MITSUBISHI    <-- For fun &   *
  *                                              L300 4WD          for sale!  *
  *****************************************************************************


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From: "J. Burach" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:45:45 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
Subject: playing at continental 2-nite
: CDs For Sale: BLACK METAL MASTURBATION. Zyklon-B... 
 
 
.Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,rec.music.marketplace 
.Subject: CDs For Sale: BLACK METAL MASTURBATION. Zyklon-B... 
.Date: 29 Aug 1995 13:26:06 GMT 
.Lines: 23 
.Nntp-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org 
.Xref: pipeline alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:15689
Rec.Music.Marketplace: 37268 
 
 

IHVH SHALL FALL. 
 
EJACULATE THICK ROPES OF FRESH HOT SPERM UPON THE THRONE OF YAHWEH, WHILE  
LISTENING TO THESE UNHOLY SOUNDS: 
 
 
Zyklon-B - Blood Must Be Shed (unholy WAR metal with Emperor/Satyricon  
members) $10 ppd 
 
Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism (the debut, classic nordic  
metal!) $8 ppd 
 
 
Both are new and postage paid. Email me if interested. 
 
 
 
-Aaron 
--  
( ABHOTH THE UNCLEAN, PROFANE LORD OF FILTH                    ) 
( "Here, it seemed, was the ultimate source of all miscreation ) 
( and abomination."                                            ) 
 


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 13:08:16 PDT
From: Ramin Keyvan <ramin@tss.com>
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: playing at continental 2-nite
Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com


Is it just me, or does this not have anything whatsoever to do with
the Honda Pacific Coast? Just an observation.

Ramin Keyvan
ramin@tss.com
1981 CB-750C (currently having a new engine put in)
1981 KZ-440  (S.O.'s bike)
 
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:45:45 -0400
> From: "J. Burach" <lawyer@pipeline.com>
> Subject: playing at continental 2-nite
> To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
> Cc: lawyer@pipeline.com
> : CDs For Sale: BLACK METAL MASTURBATION. Zyklon-B...
> 
>  
> .Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,rec.music.marketplace 
> .Subject: CDs For Sale: BLACK METAL MASTURBATION. Zyklon-B... 
> .Date: 29 Aug 1995 13:26:06 GMT 
> .Lines: 23 
> .Nntp-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org 
> .Xref: pipeline alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:15689
> Rec.Music.Marketplace: 37268 
>  
>  
> 
> IHVH SHALL FALL. 
>  
> EJACULATE THICK ROPES OF FRESH HOT SPERM UPON THE THRONE OF YAHWEH, WHILE  
> LISTENING TO THESE UNHOLY SOUNDS: 
>  
>  
> Zyklon-B - Blood Must Be Shed (unholy WAR metal with Emperor/Satyricon  
> members) $10 ppd 
>  
> Immortal - Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism (the debut, classic nordic  
> metal!) $8 ppd 
>  
>  
> Both are new and postage paid. Email me if interested. 
>  
>  
>  
> -Aaron 
> --  
> ( ABHOTH THE UNCLEAN, PROFANE LORD OF FILTH                    ) 
> ( "Here, it seemed, was the ultimate source of all miscreation ) 
> ( and abomination."                                            ) 
>  
> 


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:01:51 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)
Subject: Re: playing at continental 2-nite

>
>Is it just me, or does this not have anything whatsoever to do with
>the Honda Pacific Coast? Just an observation.
>
Don't you get it?  

>> : CDs For Sale: BLACK METAL MASTURBATION. Zyklon-B...
                   ________________________



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:47:53 -0400
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey)
Subject: Re: Information on a New Member

>Members are encouraged to tell the list about themselves.
>Please take the time to tell the list the following info:
>
>Name:      Jan A. deRoos
>Location:  Ithaca, New York
>Email:       jad10@cornell.edu
>PC Model year (if you have one): 1989
>Bought Used/New: Purchased used, 5000 mi.
>Modifications made to bike:  None
>Comments:  I traded in my Honda Elite 250cc scooter for
>the PC about three weeks ago and can't figure out why I
>waite so long.  My only complaint so far is that the bike is a
>little cold blooded, taking 5 minutes or so to properly warm
>up.

as an old T-Burger (up Rt. 96 ) and Rangovian Embassy dweller
I have now lived in Haverford PA
but will be doing a ride to Wellsboro PA over Halloween
care to ride around the southern tier for a day?


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the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor
email: EYonline@aol.com
          ey@forum.swarthmore.edu
voice: 610-259-9861 (h)
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From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Subject: status on fuel leak
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:35:01 CST

Update on the fuel petcock leak situation:

I have to take the petcock in for evaluation by the local
Honda dealer (Joe Harrison). They are very reputable (IMHO)
and easy to work with, and they appear willing to back me
up on this one.  I talked to Honda and told them the situation
and that it is possible that all of us having the fuel-smell
problem are experiencing early signs of the petcock diaphram
leaking and they might want to look into the situation a bit 
further. 

Honda mentioned that it might not be much less to just stock the
diaphram than the whole petcock... :^( ($100 to stock a simple
dual-diaphram????), but they would consider it if they receive 
enough problems with the diaphram.  

I also mentioned that the diaphram appeard to me to have a design 
flaw in that mine had four creases in it that went against the
'grain' of the diaphram action, causing the rubber to 'fold'
across those creases every time it moved.  All four pinholes
in my diaphram were at the center of these creases. (no comment
from Honda)

For now, since the PC is my only transportation, I just put
a brass fuel tee in place of the petcock. Don't think this
will be a big problem on the carb bowl valves...  Funny thing,
the Goldwing has a fuel pump but no petcock like the PC. 
Anyone know why? What is different between the GW and the PC 
that the GW doesn't have to relieve fuel pressure when the 
engine isn't running???

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu




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Date:     Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:30 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Yer killin' me!

>but will be doing a ride to Wellsboro PA over Halloween
>care to ride around the southern tier for a day?

Hey EY!

Yer killin' me.....Wellsboro is part of my old stompin' grounds!  I grew
up in Shinglehouse, PA.  Went to what use to be WACC in Williamsport, 
use to march in the high school band every year in Wellsboro for some
kind of festival......

Enjoy "home" for me and make the area shake under the "whispering hooves"
of the mighty PC!

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Aug 30 13:43:12 1995

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Date:     Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:41 -0800
From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject:  RE: status on fuel leak

Kent wrote:

>For now, since the PC is my only transportation, I just put
>a brass fuel tee in place of the petcock. 

Kent, please keep us posted on how this works.  If the thing runs fine and
exhibits no problems working with just a fuel tee in place that sounds 
like a good fix to me.

Cory

From owner-pc800  Wed Aug 30 18:48:07 1995

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:48:05 -0400
From: RAFleisc@aol.com
To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800

Name: Jo Fleischer (& lovely wife Becky) 
Location: Danbury, CT
Email:rafleisc@aol.com
PC Model year (if you have one):1995
Bought Used/New: New
Modifications made to bike: Hondaline tall windshield and backrest

Hey to the whispering horde of PC riders. We got our stealth bike in July,
and I love it. Couldn't be happier. I still go down to the garage once in a
while just to look at it. In that vein, I just sent off today for a Kafka
Bro.s Lightning Rod, something that they claim will eliminate the static
electricity that makes PCs, Corvettes and other vehicles attract dust like a
magnet, and man oh man, I hope it works. I spent an hour last week shining my
machine to the point of gleaming, but within minutes, MINUTES, it was covered
in dust. 
I'll let y'all know whether the Lightning Rod thing works, but I'd be
interested in any other experience with this. 
As for my bike's out-of-garage performance, I have a 40-mile commute, each
way, and, one the two to three days per week I take the bike, I arrive with a
big 'ol smile on my face, and I can't wait to get back on it at the end of
the day. 
BTW, I'll be giving my bike its second oil change this week (my first). If
there are any major pitfalls that I need to look out for, please let me know.

And, of course, if any PC people are passing through the Danbury area (Super
Sunday), drop us a note. 
Thanks
Jo






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To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
Subject: RE: status on fuel leak
From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 22:09:47 CST

> Kent wrote:
> 
> >For now, since the PC is my only transportation, I just put
> >a brass fuel tee in place of the petcock. 
> 
> Kent, please keep us posted on how this works.  If the thing runs fine and
> exhibits no problems working with just a fuel tee in place that sounds 
> like a good fix to me.

I'm not so sure it's a good permanent solution.  I have noticed that the 
carbs tend to be get flooded a bit easier on startup after a short rest.
And if I shut the bike off and then back on, I can smell gas. That 
indicates to me that the fuel pump is overpowering the bowl valves or
something like that.  I'll probably hear from Honda next week.

-- 
Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"



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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 08:05:02 edt
From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM
To: (George_Korbel)_korbel@maverick.llnl.gov
Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM
Subject: Reply to: HP                                                


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From: Roger Prince:DGC
Date: ## 08/31/95 08:07 ##
According to the Manufacterer's Certificate of Origin for a non-CA 
1995 model PC, HP = 60.0.
 
Roger


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From: (George Korbel) korbel@maverick.llnl.gov:dg-smtp
Date: ## 08/24/95 16:41 ##
Does anybody know how many horses (as in Horse Power) does PC800 have?

Info appreciated.

Thanks,  George

George Korbel
Lawrence Livermore National Labs.






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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:19:13 -0700
To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu
From: jgoula@ims.alaska.edu (Juan A. Goula)
Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800

>Hey to the whispering horde of PC riders. We got our stealth bike in July,
>and I love it. Couldn't be happier. I still go down to the garage once in a
>while just to look at it.

Welcome!

>I'll let y'all know whether the Lightning Rod thing works, but I'd be
>interested in any other experience with this. 

Please do...  I've been wondering if it really works or is it just some
marketing hokus-pokus.

>BTW, I'll be giving my bike its second oil change this week (my first). If
>there are any major pitfalls that I need to look out for, please let me know.

Check the archives for all the tips on removing the oilf filter. (Easy if
you have the right tool, a nightmare if you don't.)  Kent prefers the
slip-joint pliers route, I prefer the end-cap filter wrench.

>And, of course, if any PC people are passing through the Danbury area (Super
>Sunday), drop us a note. 

Will do...

Juan
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Juan A. Goula
School of Fisheries & Ocean Sciences
University of Alaska Fairbanks
AMA   # 532390  \\\\  HSTA # 4995RG
1990 Honda PC800  \\\\  1993 Arctic Cat Panther DLX
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