********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:58:46 -0400 From: DonRafael@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: better overall sec... I want to unsubcribe to PC 800 how do I do this? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 17:18:00 -0500 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Shield adjustment My wife is looking at purchasing a '90 PC that has an extended shield on it. Is the PC's shield at all adjustable for height? She wants to spend more time on it before deciding if she really wants a shorter shield, but if it is adjustable that may eliminate the need. Thanks in advance. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 18:23:08 -0500 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Cam chains Two people at a local bike shop offered a warning about the front cam chain in Shadow engines, claiming that the adjusters are prone to early failure. Is there a manual adjuster on the PC's cam chains? Is this an issue with the PC (800 Shadow) if the oil is changed regularly? -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 03 Jul 95 15:06:17 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 15:06:11 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Shield adjustment My wife is looking at purchasing a '90 PC that has an extended shield on it. Is the PC's shield at all adjustable for height? She wants to spend more time on it before deciding if she really wants a shorter shield, but if it is adjustable that may eliminate the need. Thanks in advance. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Windshields are not adjustable, but are replacable... I have a 1989 windshield for sale if anyone is interested. It is shorter than the 1990... My e-mail is stevea@sc.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 95 06:45 PDT To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: alison_hill@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Scurlock) Subject: for sale:extra large PC windsheild For sale: Stock Hondaline PC800 extra coverage windshield. This windshield is wider and taller than stock, which for a tall rider gives a much quieter ride with considerably less wind buffeting. My cost was $250cnd and I,ll give it away for $100cnd. I am in Vancouver ,British Columbia. Don Scurlock (604)988-1976 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:29:28 -0700 From: jmiriell@ix.netcom.com (John Miriello) Subject: Sound System To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu I've been reading that some PC owners have installed a radio on their bikes made by Kenwood. Would appreciate any info you can forward regarding where to get, cost, installation, etc. My dealer claims that it is an aftermarket product that they do not support. I have the PC service manual and they do not mention it however, the exploded diagram of the dash unit shows speaker recesses underneath the knockouts. My guess would be 3" speakers. Model Year: '95 (black) Thanks in advance. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:48:10 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: What's in your trunk? Hope this isn't tedious, but I don't have many friends who ride, so I love these survey questions. The question for today is: what do you keep in your trunk in the way of tools or emergency stuff? Kent Polk mentioned that he keeps a liter of gasoline. Trying to learn from the more experienced...Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 19:50:10 -0400 From: DonRafael@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '95 price I have been able to negotiate to $6900 + TTL locally here ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:04:20 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '95 price On Tue, 4 Jul 1995 DonRafael@aol.com wrote: > I have been able to negotiate to $6900 + TTL locally here > Where is "here" ? Any extras (like extended warranty)? Thanks. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:23:24 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? On Tue, 4 Jul 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > Hope this isn't tedious, but I don't have many friends who ride, so I love > these survey questions. The question for today is: what do you keep in your > trunk in the way of tools or emergency stuff? Kent Polk mentioned that he > keeps a liter of gasoline. In my trunk I keep: 1 Small fire extinguisher (smaller than a sport/squeeze bottle) velcro-ed to the front left bulkhead. 1 Small First aid kit with two large army-surplus field dressings 1 Small first aid booklet 1 Small survival guide (up here it is not a luxury) 1 Tube/Tubeless patch kit with hose pump (which I'm sure doesn't work on the PC, too far to reach into the plug hole - I hope I'm with someone else if I get a flat :-) ) 1 Fuel siphon hose About 3' of wire 2 Small flashlights 1 Set of M/C jumper cables (curtesy of Cory Estes) 1/2 Roll of duct tape (PC owners' secret weapon :-]) 1 Oil rag 1 Artificial Chamois 1 Stock toolkit augmented with: Set of forceps (great for pinching shut a fuel line or such) Telescopic/swivel magnet (to fish out the &*^%$ spark plug that falls in before you can pull it clear of the engine) Real set of pliers Small Vise-Grips(tm) Extra fuses Cellular phone Of course, for trips I add other stuff, but I think I've said enough. Good luck! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: PC800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Sound System From: danny.lane@techtips.com (Danny Lane) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 95 21:04:00 -0600 -> I've been reading that some PC owners have installed a radio on their -> bikes made by Kenwood. Would appreciate any info you can forward -> regarding where to get, cost, installation, etc. My dealer claims -> that it is an aftermarket product that they do not support. -> -> I have the PC service manual and they do not mention it however, the -> exploded diagram of the dash unit shows speaker recesses underneath -> the knockouts. My guess would be 3" speakers. -> -> Model Year: '95 (black) -> -> Thanks in advance. -> John -> I have a Hondaline AM/FM Radio installed on my '89 PC. It is made by -> Kenwood and is a 20watt system with 3" speakers in the fairing...I am -> not sure about knockouts as this is the only way I've known the bike. -> The controls are located on the left handle bar and the radio is -> located in the right truck, with special mounting provided by Honda. -> I have added a J&M Intercom in the left trunk and have the controls -> for the intercom (including a switch to turn the speakers off) by the -> radio box in the right trunk. I have J&M headsets installed in my -> Hondaline PC800 full coverage helmets. This setup works great, and -> doesn't distract from the PC's looks, and takes hardly no room away -> from the trunk. I have been told that this radio is the same as the -> low end GoldWing of previous years and was once listed in the Honda -> PC800 accesories catalog (which I still have a copy of). I hope this -> helps and good luck in your quest to obtain one! -> -danny ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? (from JeffHO@aol.com) (at Tue, 04 Jul 1995 16:48:10 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 09:52:40 CST Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <950704164807_107799687@aol.com> on Jul 04 you wrote: > Hope this isn't tedious, but I don't have many friends who ride, so I love > these survey questions. The question for today is: what do you keep in your > trunk in the way of tools or emergency stuff? Kent Polk mentioned that he > keeps a liter of gasoline. Nope, that was someone else. The only fluids I keep in there are drinkable ones. I do keep a small funnel for draining fuel out of other vehicles in case of emergency though. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 13:34:20 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JM" == John Miriello writes: JM> I've been reading that some PC owners have installed a radio on their JM> bikes made by Kenwood. Would appreciate any info you can forward JM> regarding where to get, cost, installation, etc. This was a Hondaline accessory that unfortunately is no longer made. The unit was designed to fit the PC and the Helix scooter. I tried for several months to get one but met with no success. I even called Kenwood. JM> I have the PC service manual and they do not mention it however, the JM> exploded diagram of the dash unit shows speaker recesses underneath the JM> knockouts. My guess would be 3" speakers. Yes, those plates in the dash are speaker cutouts. The unit also came with a left handlebar mounted control pod and a really big electronics unit that took up a bunch of trunk space. All I really want is the control pod; with this I can hack together a wired remote for my portable CD player. - J< (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 05 Jul 95 16:05:16 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 16:05:15 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? Hope this isn't tedious, but I don't have many friends who ride, so I love these survey questions. The question for today is: what do you keep in your trunk in the way of tools or emergency stuff? Kent Polk mentioned that he keeps a liter of gasoline. Trying to learn from the more experienced...Jeff I almost always have my PC in my PC... I am a computer science professor at the University of South Carolina... Also... Wet weather gear extra gloves reflective safety strap for night riding Insurance papers ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 16:22:22 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: trip report--long Okay kids, grab your maps, hang on, and I'll tell you about a wild ride. Last week I realized that we had an upcoming four day weekend with no plans. I suggested to Stephanie that we should go for a ride on Little Wing. She wanted to know where we were going, but I made her agree in principle first that we _were_ going. Once we got that out of the way, the rest was easy. We made arrangements for the plants and animals to be taken care of. Last Fall, I did a three-day camping trip on the bike. Based on that experience it became quickly evident that without a trailer, I could not carry the necessary gear _and_ an extra person. Motels would be the accomodations. I figured about 3-400 miles per day range. Then on to the route. While I was planning my last trip, another trip had formed in my mind and it all started coming back to me. We left Phoenix in the morning on July 1 and headed east on US 60 and went through the copper mining town of Globe. Then we rode through almost 100 more miles of desert, arriving at Safford in mid afternoon. Safford is where 60 meets US 191 the legendary road formerly numbered 666. After getting past the towns of Clifton and Morenci where Phelps-Dodge is literally moving mountains to make pennies, we started north on 191. The desert had given way to switchbacks and forests. We climbed for the next 100 miles achieving an elevation of about 7000 feet. This road reminded me very much of the Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway in the East. The 100 miles took the rest of the afternoon and we got into Springerville, AZ for a late dinner. All the way, I kept thinking if I had those Metzlers, I could have been grinding pegs and crashbar covers and could have made it in only an hour. With the stock Dunlops I drove like an old geezer. Even so, I thought I was going to have bruises from where Stephanie kept a deathgrip on my lowest ribs. Fortunately, this out of the way neck of the woods had very light traffic and the views were fabulous. The Springerville Inn where I had made a reservation could easily have qualified for a AAA half-diamond rating but we were thankful for a bed to fall into. As I fell asleep, I could still feel the bike under me leaning over to the left and the right into the corners. The next morning, we got up and had a great breakfast and were on our way. The trees gave way to the high plains and the wind was strong out of the west. We spent much of our time leaning over just to go straight. We made a brief detour off 191 onto US 180 which headed us northwest. This allowed us to drive through the Petrified Forest National Park stopping briefly to look at the 'trees' and some of the views of the Painted Desert. We grabbed a quick bite at Fred Harvey's place (concessionaire extraordinare) and headed on. The park road dumped us onto I-40 and we headed a few exits east with the wind thankfully at our back. We turned north again when we rejoined US 191 and that tremendous cross-wind. We made another brief stop at the Hubbell Trading Post National Historic Site. This is a still active trading post from the territorial days that sells lots of Indian jewelry, rugs, pots and baskets. All we got there was a Pepsi and we were back into the wind. Our next stop was Canyon de Chelly National Monument. We stopped into the visitor center and then rode along the rim drive for a few miles and took in several of the views. The Canyon was very striking with its sheer 600 foot walls meeting a lush flat green floor in a perfect corner. The pictures I had seen just didn't do it justice. I'm guessing that the pictures Stephanie took won't quite capture the beauty of the place. We had diner in Chinle the town near the entrance to the park and then pushed on. Back underway, continuing up 191 into Bluff Utah for our night's accommodations. I had hoped to get in before dark and I guess it was a matter of judgment as to whether it as heavy dusk or actual dark. This was an actual AAA one diamond lodging but in some ways, the puke green shag carpet and cinderblock walls of the Springerville Inn seemed appealing compared to the paper thin walls and the endurance record established by the couple in the next room. We got a quick bite in the morning and then we headed east on US 163 and turned north on SR 261. My map showed 261 to be 33 miles of paved road but the sign we came to informed us of a 3 mile stretch of gravel road with mountain grades and switchbacks. Not being much of a dirt biker I pushed on cautiously figuring I could always turn around if it got too bad but spurred on by the knowledge that the next best route was almost 50 miles farther out of our way. Just as the plateau we were to ascend came into view, I noticed that the trip odometer read '666'. I thought, "Oh, this is a good sign." The grade was rated at 14% with the promised switchbacks and no guardrail. (Guardrail is for sissies!). Slow caution prevailed however, and we topped the rim of the plateau without incident, proving that in addition to sport-bike and touring-bike, the Pacific Coast even has a little dirt-bike in its blood. A few more miles and we hit Natural Bridges National Monument. The three magnificent natural bridges are within a few miles of each other and the Park's drive affords good views only a short walk from the road. Unfortunately the sky was clouding up and the light was not great for picture taking but we are keeping our fingers crossed. As we were leaving Natural Bridges it started to rain. We stopped to put on our rain gear and noticed that some of what was hitting us was pea-sized hail. I thought that our show of preparedness would insure that this was just a brief spit like the others that we had ridden through that morning without even stopping to put on rain gear. Unfortunately, the weather was not so easily intimidated and the rain stayed with us for most of the next 60 or 70 miles. Finally we broke through as we rode northwest on SR 95 to Hite, UT while the storm moved off to the east. The cloud cover gave way to crystal blue sky and we doffed our rain gear and generally regrouped at the marina on the shores of Lake Powell. We crossed through Capitol Reef National Park on SR 24 through the canyons where the rivers have carved the petrified sand dunes leaving white domes with spires which actually _do_ look like the US Capitol Building. In Torrey we grabbed a quick dinner and learned that the 130 miles left between us and our reservation for the night at Bryce Canyon would probably take us 2.5 to 3 hours. More great twisty mountain roads and fabulous sweepers through the forests of Aspen carpeted with lush green undergrowth. But the sun was going down and we were topping out at 9200 feet of elevation. It's was getting pretty cold for a couple of desert rats! It was well into 9:30 by the time we pulled into Bryce Canyon for the night. The trip meter had just about rolled over 1000 miles in three days and we were cold and tired. A cup of hot chocolate, a hot shower and a nice bed and we were out for the count. The next morning broke with another crystal blue sky and the Independence day parade in the park forming up outside our room. The siren from the fire engine caused us to clap our hands over our hearts but not our of loyalty but rather out of surprise. At 9:45, we found out that because much of the staff was busy dressing up and acting goofy in the parade, the dining room had stopped serving breakfast at 9:30. It didn't open up again for lunch till noon. This didn't fit into our busy touring schedule, so we checked out of our room and drove out of the park to get breakfast at the Quality Inn. After breakfast we went back in to see the sights. The carving of the brightly colored rock into delicate spires and deep amphitheaters was breathtaking...Or was it the short climb up the steep incline at the 8000 foot elevation that took our breath? I had hoped to see Bryce the evening before but our late arrival precluded that. It was about 1:30 in the afternoon as we left the park and a road sign just outside the park politely reminded me that I had left our last day to be the long one. With 419 miles to go to Phoenix, I gassed up and resolved to make an effort to maximize gas mileage and minimize stops. We made 100 miles and crossed back into Arizona. We stopped at Jacob Lake, AZ which is just north of the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. We had made that distance in one sitting. I had told Stephanie that I wasn't stopping unless she asked or we needed gas, but she outlasted me and I had to get off to stretch for a few minutes among the pines of the Kaibab Plateau. Then ALT US 89 took us off the Plateau and we stopped once more 45 miles later where we re-crossed the Colorado River at Marble Canyon. This point is considered the upper end of the Grand Canyon. We ran the rest of the tank out between there and Cameron. When I gassed up again I had done 202 miles with two short breaks and topped up the tank with 3.6 gallons giving me about 56 miles per gallon. I had maintained as close to 65 as I was able for as much of the tank as I could. With the wind from the past couple of days gone and the wide open plains that we were covering, I figure if I was ever going to find out what my best mileage was, that was it. We grabbed a sandwich at the convenience store in Cameron and then rode on to Flagstaff for what Stephanie called real food--Burger King! The sun was going down behind the San Francisco Peaks as we left Flagstaff on I-17. The 65 mph limit enticed me to push my speed up to 75 and I wondered what that would do to my mileage. In the next 140 miles, we burned off the 6000 foot difference in elevation from the shadow of the snow on the north face of Humphrey's Peak to the Saguaros of the Sonoran desert. We also burned off the second tank of gas of the day with one more rest stop just on the brink of the Mogollon Rim above Black Canyon City. I gassed up again a few miles from home at about 10:00 that evening. When I filled up, I replaced over 3.8 gallons of fuel that had taken us the last 183 miles. Apparently the difference between 65 mph and 75 had cost about 8 mpg. The 419 mile sign we had seen at Bryce had been accurate to our doorstep to within about 10 miles and we had made it with only 5 brief stops. While burning those two tanks of gas, I watched the gauge and thought about the discussion that goes on periodically about the PC's gas gauge. It's not inaccurate, you just have to know how to read it. The first third of my tank is used up when the needle points straight down (which you might mistake for half-empty or half-full depending on your personality)! The next third is used up by the time the needle is just about a needle's width from the red. The last third of my gas takes the needle through the red and over to the loop of hose on the pump icon on the left of the gauge. Once my needle starts its way into the inside of the loop, I am working into a self imposed 4/10 gallon reserve. I figure with my nominal mileage around town of 43 mpg, my .4 gallons will go almost 20 miles and the liter bottle in the trunk will do another 10 or better. If I'm not within 30 miles of a fill-up, I have done some serious miscalculation. I also decided that anybody who complains about the size of the 4.2 gallon tank probably hasn't tried to kill that tank in one sitting. I'd like to hear from anybody who has not needed to stop for human factors before the bike needed a stop for fuel. Another thought that went through my mind as I rode was the web page. I realized that there is a lot of pretty technical info about the bike there but not that much about touring. I am reworking and expanding the current web page to capture a digest of the list discussions on topics such as audio systems, windshields, tires, etc. but now I think a "Tours" section is in order. I hope to do the 1 hour processing of Stephanie's film tonight and see what we got. The guardian of the scanner here at work has been getting pretty stingy lately so is there anyone out there who will volunteer to do some scanning for me if we got some good pictures. In total, the trip was 1403 miles in four days. I didn't keep track of mileage except on the last day. In the wide open plains of Arizona, before the wind set in, I experimented with top speed and found that loaded with the two of us, 105 mph was about as fast as Little Wing would fly. I held it at full throttle for several miles at a time and it would just not push much beyond that (which is the rated top speed). Counting National Parks, National Forests, National Monuments, National Historic Sites, National Recreation Areas, and Indian Reservations, our tally was 15. Utah has more National Parks and Monuments than any other state. On my last trip I saw Zion National Park and Cedar Breaks National Monument and I still haven't been to Arches, Canyonlands, and several others. I know we didn't see all that the places we went to had to offer but we have a better idea of the places we might like to go back to to spend more time. Next trip maybe we'll let Little Wing take a day or two off and we'll try out some horseback riding! Utah is a fabulous destination but I think the destination is just the excuse for the ride! Sorry this is a bit long but thought you might enjoy it. How was your holiday weekend? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: trip report--long (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Wed, 05 Jul 1995 16:22:22 -0600) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 18:30:49 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9507052321.AA26145@trg.trglink.com> on Jul 05 you wrote: > Okay kids, grab your maps, hang on, and I'll tell you about a wild ride. ... > literally moving mountains to make pennies, we started north on 191. The ... > late dinner. All the way, I kept thinking if I had those Metzlers, I could > have been grinding pegs and crashbar covers and could have made it in only > an hour. With the stock Dunlops I drove like an old geezer. Even so, I Even with Metzlers, it'll take a while. :^) 191 is a fabulous road though. > anybody who complains about the size of the 4.2 gallon tank probably hasn't > tried to kill that tank in one sitting. I'd like to hear from anybody who > has not needed to stop for human factors before the bike needed a stop for > fuel. .. pretty much anytime I go on a trip I plan my stops for 200 mile intervals. I've hit 240 miles on a tankfull, head west on I10 with a storm nipping at my heels. > Sorry this is a bit long but thought you might enjoy it. How was your Thanks. Will have to mark a few more roads on 'the map'. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 16:39:09 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? >Hope this isn't tedious, but I don't have many friends who ride, so I love >these survey questions. The question for today is: what do you keep in your >trunk in the way of tools or emergency stuff? Kent Polk mentioned that he >keeps a liter of gasoline. > >Trying to learn from the more experienced...Jeff > > > What do you mean not many friends! What about us? Chopped liver? I'm the one with a liter of fuel in a Sigg(r) bottle and a bottle of water. I carry a rain suit but in Phoenix, ther are only about 6 weeks when it's likely to be used at all. It's a left-over East Coast thing I guess! I also carry a lock (since Stephanie's bike was stolen). I carry the standard toolkit and the paperwork pouch enhanced with a Honda Sport Touring Assn. Blue Book (member's directory) and a state and city map. I carry a compass and a smashed aluminum can on a string for under the kickstand. In this heat, some asphalt can get very soft depending on its composition. (The string makes it easy to pick up while sitting on the bike.) I guess that's about it without actually looking. 05 Jul 1995 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: trip report--long To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Outstanding story! Thank you for taking the time to write/post it! I don't get the opportunity to tour much lately :-). In the olden days, ;-) after a long weekend tour, I would pull into work with the bike covered with bugs. I doubt my co-workers ever noticed but you 'earn' them bugs! ;-) | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System From: danny.lane@techtips.com (Danny Lane) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 21:01:00 -0600 In a reponse to a previous message about PC800 sound systems Jason Tibbitts wrote: -> Yes, those plates in the dash are speaker cutouts. The unit also -> came with a left handlebar mounted control pod and a really big -> electronics unit that took up a bunch of trunk space. -> -> All I really want is the control pod; with this I can hack together a -> wired remote for my portable CD player. I have one of the units installed on my 89 PC and it takes up very little trunk space. The radio is actually pretty small, and as for the control pod, if you can get it to work with anything other than the Honda/Kenwood radio, then good luck! You would be more apt to design and build you own radio, as this control is more than just a switch box, -danny ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 22:16:47 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "DL" == Danny Lane writes: DL> I have one of the units installed on my 89 PC and it takes up very DL> little trunk space. Perhaps I was incorrect. I'm pretty certain that it prevents you from keeping a helmet in that side of the trunk. Isn't it about an inch and a half thick? (It's been a long while since I've seen one.) DL> [...] as for the control pod, if you can get it to work with anything DL> other than the Honda/Kenwood radio, then good luck! You would be more DL> apt to design and build you own radio, as this control is more than DL> just a switch box, That's just the point. All I want is the switches. Run the various contacts through a waterproof cable to a hacked up wired remote unit for my CD player. Embed the mess in epoxy and mount it under the fairing. Instant handlebar mounted remote for my CD. If I could only find one... - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TOUGH SHOT To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC800:Sound System Hi - this is in response to the question on sound sytems. I forget who asked it - but i wanted to share my experience since i recently installed a system on my '95 PC. I have 4" pioneer speakers (TS-G1033) mounted in the fairing. After cutting out the surface plastic, no modifications were needed. The mounting hardware provided with the speakers also worked well. I used speaker foam as a covering, and i kept the plastic cut outs (with velcro) as coverings from rain. I was caught in a thundershower last week without the coverings, but the speakers were not damaged. Sony sells a number of car cassette decks and cd players with wired remote controls. The remote would fit well up on the dash or even on the tank. The units start at $300. Unfortunatly it would take up most of a trunk since it probably cannot be mounted verticaly. I set my bike up with an amp in the trunk, and i play tunes through a portable CD player (with a wired remote). The amp is mounted verticaly and doesn't take up much room(about 6"x4"x1"). I used it on a four hour trip and it didn't over heat. The fins do need to be kept clear though - which may be a hassel. This system isn't the best, but it works for now. Matthew alibi@seas.gwu.edu / jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com '95 PC800 - '94 Shadow ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:35:42 -0300 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Under the covers Howdy. To anyone who's had the covers off the PC800- if one wanted to mount an amp somewhere else on the bike, is there room for it. I'm loathe to use up trunk space for something that I will never have to look at again. I know Kent put the air compressor under the dash, I'm wondering if there would be enough room there for the amp, or whether there are other places for it. I haven't looked, but it seems like there must be an enormous amount of room between the gas tank and the tank cover- or is there something in there? -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Under the covers (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)) (at Thu, 06 Jul 1995 12:35:42 -0300) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 10:42:13 CST Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Jul 06 you wrote: > To anyone who's had the covers off the PC800- if one wanted to mount an amp > somewhere else on the bike, is there room for it. I'm loathe to use up > trunk space for something that I will never have to look at again. How big? Check out the space just in front of the trunk on the left side. >From my experience, I think you want to keep audio equipment as far away from the coils (left side of engine) as possible. Those coils are darned noisy, and even if you do put inline filters in place, they generate enough rf to mess up anything with an antenna until you get back to the vicinity of the trunk or above the handlebars (or over to the right handlebar). :^( Use heavy-gauge wire that is *well* shielded... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 08:56:05 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? > >I'm the one with a liter of fuel in a Sigg(r) bottle and a bottle of water. >I carry a rain suit but in Phoenix, ther are only about 6 weeks when it's >likely to be used at all. It's a left-over East Coast thing I guess! I >also carry a lock (since Stephanie's bike was stolen). I carry the standard >toolkit and the paperwork pouch enhanced with a Honda Sport Touring Assn. >Blue Book (member's directory) and a state and city map. I carry a compass >and a smashed aluminum can on a string for under the kickstand. In this >heat, some asphalt can get very soft depending on its composition. (The >string makes it easy to pick up while sitting on the bike.) I guess that's >about it without actually looking. > > Well I actually looked this morning and noticed that I also carry an old beatup towel and a 4 oz. bottle of spray cleaner for windshield and/or faceshield. It is actually CRT screen cleaner (building a better life by stealing office supplies as Dilbert says) but it was the bottle that I liked. When I use up the screen cleaner, I can refill it with another kind of cleaner. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Under the covers Well, I took mine apart late last year to change the air filter and I can tell you that there is no room under the tank cover. That's unless you've got a wafer thin amp :) ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Daniel MacKay wrote: > Howdy. > > To anyone who's had the covers off the PC800- if one wanted to mount an amp > somewhere else on the bike, is there room for it. I'm loathe to use up > trunk space for something that I will never have to look at again. > > I know Kent put the air compressor under the dash, I'm wondering if there > would be enough room there for the amp, or whether there are other places > for it. > > I haven't looked, but it seems like there must be an enormous amount of > room between the gas tank and the tank cover- or is there something in > there? > > > -- > Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca > Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Ubject: Re: PC800: Under the covers Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 11:55:09 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III However, there is plenty of room under the trunk cowling (that hump in the back). It's just empty air; one of the small Sony 20 watt amps will fit fine. I was thinking of doing this at one time, but opted for helmet speakers instead. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 15:11:52 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 trunk mirror I ride with three different women (not at the same time!): my wife, and our two daughters like to ride pillion on my (our?) PC. Every time we get anywhere, they always try to fix their hair in the rear view mirror, or try to steal a reflection from a nearby car window. Recalling a list.post about mounting a mirror in the trunk, I started looking around for a suitable one. Boy, did I find one! Cobbs Clip-On/Stick-On Vanity Mirror model No. 431XBK (patent number 4103860, it says here) is a perfect fit in the little rectangular depression on the rear face of the wheel well in the trunk. The tire pressure sticker peeled off clean and remounted on the side of the wheel well with no problems. The mirror comes with clips for visor mounting, but these pop right off (by design), leaving two strips of adhesive foam mounting tape. The black plastic mirror frame is a perfect color match for the trunk interior, and it fits with at most 1/4" to spare top-to-bottom, and less than 1/16" side-to-side. Could have been OEM equipment. Mirrors are a dime a dozen, but the cool thing about this one is the precise fit, color match, and ease of installation: a total no-brainer. Now I carry a comb in a travel case in the trunk, and the female motorcycle satisfaction level in our family has gone up an order of magnitude. I got my mirror for about $3 at a local discount auto parts store; you should be able to find one anywhere. If you have trouble finding one locally, you can just shoot me a few bucks and I'll mail you one from here (Virginia, near DC). Disclaimer: no connection with Cobbs or the auto parts business; just a happy camper. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 15:11:52 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mounting a radio... >However, there is plenty of room under the trunk cowling (that hump in the >back). It's just empty air... Uhhhh... doesn't the rear wheel live in there? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: mounting a radio... (from m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)) (at Thu, 06 Jul 1995 15:11:52 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 14:17:15 CST Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199507061913.PAA19944@mwunix.mitre.org> on Jul 06 you wrote: > >However, there is plenty of room under the trunk cowling (that hump in the > >back). It's just empty air... > > Uhhhh... doesn't the rear wheel live in there? Nah. He's talking about where the spare tire fits. :^) Actually, I think he's talking about the little 'duck tail'. I've thought about tucking several things in there myself, but never have (yet). Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 16:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TOUGH SHOT To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Amp Mount where? Hi. My present amp is mounted in the trunk. I would like to save trunk space by mounting my amp elsewhere but (if i understand the suggested position correctly) under the rear tail section would place the amp upside down. This will cause it to overheat. Please let me know if i miss understood the location. matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 13:38:57 PDT From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Amp Mount where? > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 16:13:41 -0400 (EDT) > From: TOUGH SHOT > Subject: Amp Mount where? > To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > > Hi. > My present amp is mounted in the trunk. > I would like to save trunk space by mounting my amp elsewhere but (if i > understand the suggested position correctly) under the rear tail section > would place the amp upside down. This will cause it to overheat. > Please let me know if i miss understood the location. > matthew > I don't believe you misunderstood the location. In this position, you not only run the risk of overheating (which most amps combat by puting a thermal cut-off switch into the main circuitry), but it also exposes the amp to the elements (ie. heat, dirt, muddy tire spray, etc.). Most of the Sony amps in the 20w/ch range are small enough that the amount of room they will take up in the PC-800 trunk area is negligeable (sp?). Most measure 6-8 inches in either horizontal dimension and about 1.5 inches in height. I hope this info was helpful. Ramin Keyvan Teknekron Software Systems, Inc. ramin@tss.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 16:41:37 -0700 From: jmiriell@ix.netcom.com (John Miriello) Subject: Sound System To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Sigh! I never thought I would generate such a response. I greatly appreciate all the serious replies about the PC radio and thoroughly enjoyed the candor in a few. Fact is...I was finally able to contact a dealer out of my area who confirmed that the Kenwood system was discontinued after the '90 model year even though the dealer's computer showed the unit as a valid Honda stock item listing at....are you ready?....$649. Even if it was available, at that price it not only should be weather proof but gold plated as well. Boy, am I in the wrong business! For now, I'll look at the helmet systems that are out there or simply do without and just concentrate on the fine views from the saddle. I think I'm supposed to be doing that anyway. If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. I also need to comment that I am a new rider with my PC and have a great time riding but when I'm not, I enjoy the great atmosphere here on this forum. I have picked up more by "listening" than I ever could by fumbling through it myself. Thanks to all PC riders! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 17:13:59 TZ Subject: Re: What's in your trunk? As a former Boy Scout, I always go prepared. \"/ Almost all of this fits in the bottom channel of the left trunk with only a few things on the right side (r). Some items velcroed in place on the sides/ends. After writing this list, I might get some road flares next. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- Pearl's Truck Contents ------------------------------------- - small first aid kit - area maps - ferry schedule - HSTA Blue Book - AMA Membership Applications - small flashlight - extra AA batteries - ear plugs - small pack of handi wipes (r) - shop rag - $20 bill and 4 quarters - extra faceshield screws - 1 caribeener - couple of computer screen cleaning pads (take the bugs off) - sun screen (r) - small squeegee (r) - cable lock for helmets. Kept by the gas cap. (for when the trunk is full). - silicon windshield spray for windshield wiper - windshield wiper blade/arm in carrying case (r) - stock toolkit with better pliers, screwdrivers, gapping tool - zip ties, 6 feet of duct tape rolled on a small dowel - flat tire repair kit - several spare tail and signal bulbs in bubble wrap - spare headlight bulb - spare fuses - spark plug - cargo net - several nylon straps - small CB radio, antenna - intercomm cords - owner's manual - registration/insurance info - 2 clear vinyl mapcases (Aerostitch accessories) - soft helmet bag covers it all up ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 17:39:27 TZ Subject: RE: Under the covers Couple of possibiliites. I just had most of the body work off the bike to replace a thermostat and install an alarm system. Here's a summary of the areas I found to have some extra space. Arranged biggest to smallest. a. There is a good deal of room behind the front speaker cutouts. However, with the amp I'll assume you already have the speakers there. b. left side of bike behind the fuel tank. Fuel filter is here and there's a fairly large space. Almost nothing to zip type or screw and amp to though. Glue or double sided tape might work to stick it on the gas tank. Remove the drivers seat and side panel to get access to it. c. If the amp is about 1.5" thin and can be mounted on it's edge, the frame of the bike has several areas along it's length. Take the side panels off that run from the fairing to the trunk and you'll see what I'm talking about. d. If your amp is about 1" thick or so, it will probably fit under the trunk lid next to the gas strut. There actually a fairly large gap there and a cross bar you could use to anchor the amp to. I put my alarm's motion sensor there and there's room to spare. Take of the passenger seat to experiment and see if it fits. e. Depending on the size of your amp, you might be able to fit in on the forward sidewall of the trunk -- Not in the trunk, on the outside near the battery on the right side or next to the fuel filter on the left. If the amp is thin it should let the trunk lid close. properly. Remember that amps can get hot so don't melt your bike. \"/ -bryceu ---------- | From: Daniel MacKay | To: | Subject: Under the covers | Date: Thursday, July 06, 1995 12:35PM | | Howdy. | | To anyone who's had the covers off the PC800- if one wanted to mount an amp | somewhere else on the bike, is there room for it. I'm loathe to use up | trunk space for something that I will never have to look at again. | | I know Kent put the air compressor under the dash, I'm wondering if there | would be enough room there for the amp, or whether there are other places | for it. | | I haven't looked, but it seems like there must be an enormous amount of | room between the gas tank and the tank cover- or is there something in | there? | | | -- | Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca | Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada | | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 23:24:56 -0300 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Re: mounting a radio... Kent writes: >Actually, I think he's talking about the little 'duck tail'. I've >thought about tucking several things in there myself, but never >have (yet). I have too, including the electric trunk opener. However, I have also thought about what a big cover the trunk is, and how that space may act as a stiffening type of space frame. So I was thinking twice before chopping it away. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Sound System (from jmiriell@ix.netcom.com (John Miriello)) (at Thu, 06 Jul 1995 16:41:37 -0700) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 21:29:06 CST Hi John (John Miriello), in <199507062341.QAA02159@ix2.ix.netcom.com> on Jul 06 you wrote: > > If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. Don't get a Chatterbox. Period. Final. Absolute. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: PC800 : Alarm System To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT) hello all, i have been reading about alarm systems for the pc - i don't know if this topic has been covered already - but any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks for the replies to my prior questions - they were most helpful in getting my bike fixed. matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 : Alarm System Date: Thu, 06 Jul 1995 22:44:17 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "MBJ" == Matthew B Jerinsky writes: MBJ> i have been reading about alarm systems for the pc - i don't know if MBJ> this topic has been covered already - but any feedback would be much MBJ> appreciated. I can't recall much discussion on the topic. I'm really interested in getting one, too. Unfortunately it seems to be really difficult to get good info out of rec.motorcycles (no big surprise, though). - J< 07 Jul 1995 05:52:02 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 05:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Sound System To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >Hi John (John Miriello), in <199507062341.QAA02159@ix2.ix.netcom.com> on >Jul 06 you wrote: >> >> If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. > >Don't get a Chatterbox. Period. Final. Absolute. > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Any good alternative? I thought these were the box of choice :-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Sound System (from _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain)) (at Fri, 07 Jul 1995 05:52:02 -0700 (PDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 08:43:03 CST Hi Harrison (Harrison Spain), in on Jul 07 you wrote: > >Hi John (John Miriello), in <199507062341.QAA02159@ix2.ix.netcom.com> on > >Jul 06 you wrote: > >> > >> If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. > > > >Don't get a Chatterbox. Period. Final. Absolute. > > > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > > Any good alternative? I thought these were the box of choice :-). There are several alternatives that really work if you just want an intercom/radio input. When you add the inter-bike communications that things like the Chatterbox add, the list gets real small and the items get expensive. The Chatterbox seemed at first to be a good thing, but in short time, I ended up replacing every jack but the ptt jack and both helmet units. One of them twice. They just don't survive very long, even with kid glove care. I think about 5 riding buddies bought them and mine is the only one that still works. I never use it anymore because it just requires too much futzing with to keep it working. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Fri, 07 Jul 95 10:20:00 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:20:07 EDT From: W.Michael DiTullio@VNET.IBM.COM To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >Hi Harrison (Harrison Spain), in on Jul 07 you wrote: > >> >Hi John (John Miriello), in <199507062341.QAA02159@ix2.ix.netcom.com> on >> >Jul 06 you wrote: >> >> >> >> If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. >> > >> >Don't get a Chatterbox. Period. Final. Absolute. >> > >> >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >> >> Any good alternative? I thought these were the box of choice :-). > >There are several alternatives that really work if you just want an >intercom/radio input. When you add the inter-bike communications that >things like the Chatterbox add, the list gets real small and the items >get expensive. > >The Chatterbox seemed at first to be a good thing, but in short time, >I ended up replacing every jack but the ptt jack and both helmet >units. One of them twice. They just don't survive very long, even >with kid glove care. I think about 5 riding buddies bought them and >mine is the only one that still works. I never use it anymore because >it just requires too much futzing with to keep it working. > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > > Motorcycle Consumer News did a test of such devices about 9-12 months ago. Bottom line was that they all sucked at high speed (wind noise) and none of them had much range, 1/4 mile at most (YMMV). The best deal was the Nady's since they only cost about $70. Probably the best bet would be an small cd-radio and related push to talk hardware. J&M sells the stuff you need but being J&M it ain't cheap. I've also thought about the real 2-way radios that radio-shack sells. You need a license, but that just means you have to fill out a form, and they're not real expensive. Just need to find some controls you can easily work while you're riding. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |Spazman@aol.com | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 10:22:17 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Chatterbox I have used the chatterbox when riding with my other 2 buddies that also use them. They initially had some infant mortallity problems that were corrected under warranty by returning them to the Honda dealer for replacement. No problems since. I recently bought a new chatterbox for my wife since she is now riding her own Helix. They changed the connector to the din style connector ( 6 or 8 pin, I can't remember off hand). The new model has some nice features: choice of two channels, self contained rechargable battery. I have been real pleased with the newer model, she wears an open face helmet and the new model seems to be more tolerant of wind noise when setting the mic's vox sensitivity. For music, the headsets are not high-fidelity. The audio input jacks on the old models combined the stero channels to mono and the music volume was low. I haven't tried the newer model yet for audio-in. I store my Chatterbox in my trunk without kid gloves... no problem. Kent's complaints may be why the connectors were changed to the din type. Motorcyle Consumer Mag rated Chatterbox above competing brands in an in-depth evaluation, comparing ease of use, functions provided, noise and transmission range. That was BEFORE the introduction of the new model. My buddy mounted his Chatterbox on his VX800 handbars and uses an extension cord to connect his mic headset to the Chatterbox. He then mounted a walkman type stero/cassette player as well and plugged that into the Chatterbox. He also replaced the Chatterbox headset speakers by meticulously soldering on Sony headphone speaks for better fidelity. With the electronic preset tuning on the personal fm stero, he has full control within easy reach. ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 fax: (609) 722-4410 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Chatterbox (from "Robert E. Marks" ) (at Fri, 07 Jul 1995 10:22:17 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 09:34:58 CST Hi Robert (Robert E. Marks), in <199507071422.KAA01855@pyrite.MOTOWN.GE.COM> on Jul 07 you wrote: > Motorcyle Consumer Mag rated Chatterbox above competing brands in an in-depth > evaluation, comparing ease of use, functions provided, noise and transmission > range. That was BEFORE the introduction of the new model. Yes, but how long did they USE them? They worked pretty good at first, and the feature list was better than others, but they self-destructed very quickly. Do you know if they offer a trade-up to the new units? I know close to 30 people who have Chatterboxes that won't ever be used again in their current condition... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:01:36 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Chatterbox Kent wrote: > Yes, but how long did they USE them? They worked pretty good at first, > and the feature list was better than others, but they self-destructed > very quickly. Do you know if they offer a trade-up to the new units? > I know close to 30 people who have Chatterboxes that won't ever be > used again in their current condition... We ride together at least once-a-month from April to October on the weekends, on extended 3-4 day trips and sporadically otherwise. We purchased them in May 1994. Our experience with 3 units is not as extensive as yours. We intend to use them on our week long Kentucky trip in a few weeks. Since we use the older units that didn't have self contained batteries, we are using the Chatterbox power cords. Could power spikes be killing the units you speak of, or are they mechanical failures with the jacks? I don't know of any trade-up offers. ============================================================================== Robert E. Marks CAD/CAM S/W development Lockheed Martin email: rmarks@motown.ge.com Moorestown, NJ voice: (609) 722-3777 fax: (609) 722-4410 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Chatterbox (from "Robert E. Marks" ) (at Fri, 07 Jul 1995 11:01:36 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:12:23 CST Hi Robert (Robert E. Marks), in <199507071501.LAA01923@pyrite.MOTOWN.GE.COM> on Jul 07 you wrote: > We ride together at least once-a-month from April to October on the weekends, > on extended 3-4 day trips and sporadically otherwise. We purchased them in > May 1994. Our experience with 3 units is not as extensive as yours. We > intend to use them on our week long Kentucky trip in a few weeks. Most of us bought ours in late 1993. > Since we use the older units that didn't have self contained batteries, we > are using the Chatterbox power cords. Could power spikes be killing the > units you speak of, or are they mechanical failures with the jacks? > I don't know of any trade-up offers. Some of us used the battery box, I hooked mine into my PC electrical and mounted the helmet connector on my left handlebar pod. I suspect having it separate from my helmet is why mine still works. The audio mini-jacks posed the worst connection problem. They are simply cheap Radio Shack-quality mini jacks. Any moisture gets in them and they can't keep a connection. I got fed up with twirling mine every time I wanted to use it and got some commercial quality jacks, hacked them up to fit and replaced all of them in the unit excpt the ptt jack since I don't have a ptt switch. Interference around town makes the units pretty unusable. I only use it for open road with a passenger since none of my riding buddies has one that still works. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:43:12 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: No Subject Hi Jason Tibbits. You wrote: >>However, there is plenty of room under the trunk cowling (that hump in the back). It's just empty air; one of the small Sony 20 watt amps will fit fine. I was thinking of doing this at one time, but opted for helmet speakers instead.<< Aha! Just what I was thinking of doing. In a vague sort of way. Can you summarize your approach? Do you have an intercom too? Thanks. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:22:36 TZ Subject: RE: PC800 : Alarm System Motorcycle Consumer News did a review of alarm systems a few months back. The article discussed the advantages/disadvantages of different options and tested the advertised features of about a dozen products. I could fax you the article on Monday if you'd like. My main concern for getting an alarm system was to protect the bike and all my strapped on gear when touring. I chose an alarm with a motion sensor as well as a pager option. I figured if I was in a museum or shopping around town, I wanted the bike to alert me even if out of ear shot. I settled for a unit call Black Widow Plus from ProTech Security. It features an impact sensor, tilt sensor, ignition disable, loud horn, 2 remotes, and a 2-zone proximity sensor. The 2 zones can be set independantly and is intended to have the outer zone chirp the alarm as a warning. If the outer zone is repeatedly tripped and/or the inner zone is tripped, the alarm goes off. Total system cost was $360 with the pager option. I started installing it just before the 4th of July. Didn't get it finished before leaving on a 4 day trip but hope to get it all finished soon. The unit was rather bulky with 4 main parts to find a home for and a wiring harness to decipher. If you aren't good with schematics, I'd recommend a pro do it. I'll send mail when I have it all setup and let you know how it works. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 10:41:30 -0700 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Re: Sound System Greetings - >Fact is...I was finally able to contact a dealer out of my area who >confirmed that the Kenwood system was discontinued after the '90 model >year even though the dealer's computer showed the unit as a valid Honda >stock item listing at....are you ready?....$649. Even if it was >available, at that price it not only should be weather proof but gold >plated as well. Boy, am I in the wrong business! > >For now, I'll look at the helmet systems that are out there or simply >do without and just concentrate on the fine views from the saddle. I >think I'm supposed to be doing that anyway. Don't give up on the "regular" stereo if you would prefer that. You should be able to make a car unit work, for a *lot* less money. I'd suggest a unit with a plug-in controller/face-plate, which can be unplugged and taken with you when you leave the bike. You can velcro the controller to one side of the fairing (probably the left), with the plug in the pocket or out of the weather elsewhere, and then the main unit can be mounted anywhere reasonable and out of the way. Good luck - Spencer (I don't own a PC yet, but my wife wants one so she can keep up with my Concours) Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: No Subject Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 13:20:12 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "J" == JeffHO writes: J> Aha! Just what I was thinking of doing. In a vague sort of way. Can you J> summarize your approach? Do you have an intercom too? Thanks. Are you speaking of helmet speakers? I picked up a mid-priced pair of Sony headphones that have the signal cord entering on only one side. I cut off the extra plastic and embedded them in the ear pockets. I had to remove some foam but it was no big deal. The result is a really good set of helmet speakers. I ran power into a tank bag which ends in a cigarette lighter plug. My Sony car discman plugs in there and the helmet speakers plug into a receptacle I mounted on the tank bag. The player never skips since it has electronic shock protection. You can get a wired remote for it; the wireless I have is mostly useless on the bike. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 23:47:08 -0400 From: DaveEic@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Looking for used backrest... I would like to find a good used backrest for a PC800. I would like one but thought I'd try here before going out and buying a new one.... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 22:49:59 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: Under the covers What was your deal on the air filter? I priced one today for my wife's PC and the amount, with our discount, was nearly $50. >Well, I took mine apart late last year to change the air filter and I >can tell you that there is no room under the tank cover. That's unless >you've got a wafer thin amp :) > >========================================================================= >Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None >Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 23:01:57 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: Sound System >the stuff you need but being J&M it ain't cheap. I've also thought about the >real 2-way radios that radio-shack sells. You need a license, but that just >means you have to fill out a form, and they're not real expensive. Just need >to find some controls you can easily work while you're riding. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >|Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | >|ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | >|Spazman@aol.com | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | If you're going to go that sort of expense for a radio, I recommend getting an amateur radio license (a bit more than filling a form, but not much--Radio Shack has license preparation materials and no code test is required for the entry-level license) and you can operate a much wider variety of equipment. Autopatches will allow you to make free calls from your bike. . . . -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 23:06:41 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: Sound in helmets >Are you speaking of helmet speakers? I picked up a mid-priced pair of Sony >headphones that have the signal cord entering on only one side. I cut off >the extra plastic and embedded them in the ear pockets. I had to remove >some foam but it was no big deal. The result is a really good set of What helmet model? I don't want to remove _any_ foam, urethane or polystyrene, from my RF-700. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 23:18:40 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "MSK" == Michael S Keller writes: MSK> What helmet model? I don't want to remove _any_ foam, urethane or MSK> polystyrene, from my RF-700. Uh, OK, but I think you'll have to pick two of headphones, foam removal and discomfort. I took out a scoop of Styrofoam about half an inch thick at its deepest directly above the point where the chin strap enters its slot in the foam. That area provides no protection in any case. The headphones are essentially part of the pieces of foam over the jaws; you can't tell they're there unless you notice the cord. My helmet is an AGV R1, but a friend with an RF200 has made exactly the same modification. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 00:49:21 -0400 From: DaveEic@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Under the covers Can someone tell me the way to get to the air filter? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 23:04:41 PDT From: dean Subject: Re: PC800 : Alarm System To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >>>>> "MBJ" == Matthew B Jerinsky writes: MBJ> i have been reading about alarm systems for the pc - i don't know if MBJ> this topic has been covered already - but any feedback would be much MBJ> appreciated. I ran across a really great source of information from a magazine called: Motorcycle Consumer News P.O. Box 420243 Palm Coast, FL 32142-9477 (800) 735-9335 12 issues $21.97 In the Feb 1995 issue, they reviewed motorcycle alarms. I wont' quote the article, but the highlights were: 1st Quorum (602) 780-5700 $137.00 2nd Pro-Tech Cycle (800) 776-8810 $209.00 3rd Techne Ungo MC2000-II (800) 227-8875 $239.00 4th Stop Anti-Theft Stop S300 (800) 536-7852 $199.95 5th Magnadyne Marksman SA500M (no phone) $129.95 6th Aritronix Scorpio CYL100 (800) 428-0440 $239.95 7th Lanico Engineering Force Field (619) 279-6156 $298.99 8th Nady Systems MA-200 (510) 652-2411 $199.95 9th Success Electronic Sting 2005C (no phone) $209.00 10th eL & eL Electronic Rattler (708) 433-7464 $ 99.95 Get the magazine - great articles - doesn't appear to be any bias especially since there is no advertising in the magazine (kinda like Consumer Reports). -------------------------------------------------------- Dean Wooldridge, MEDS, 3102 Oak Lawn, Suite 800, Dallas, Texas 75219 E-mail: dean This message underwent molecular decomposition and was beamed to you on 07/07/95 at 23:04:41 -------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Under the covers Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 00:09:27 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "D" == DaveEic writes: D> Can someone tell me the way to get to the air filter? Just take the top shelter off... OK, there is this nice diagram in the service manual that shows what has to come off before you can get to any other body panel. In this case: Air Maintenance Lid (things on side of fairing that let hot air out of engine compartment, just pull them out) | V Side Covers (under top shelter and rider's seat, one screw under maintenance lid) | | | Center Covers (under handlebars, turn bars to right, remove left cover, | then remove right cover) | | V V Top Shelter (remove two bolts near seat and loosen two nuts near bars, lift out to rear). Now pull the six screws from the housing covers, then yank the filter. Upon replacement, be sure to torque the housing screws to 1.8 N*m. ^_^ Now, does anyone know what the "Common Service Manual" is? - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 02:47:01 -0400 To: sfarrow@radford.com Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Sound System On Fri, Jul 7, 1995 10:41:30 am at Spencer Farrow wrote: >Don't give up on the "regular" stereo if you would prefer that. You should >be able to make a car unit work, for a *lot* less money. I'd suggest a unit >with a plug-in controller/face-plate, which can be unplugged and taken with >you when you leave the bike. You can velcro the controller to one side of >the fairing (probably the left), with the plug in the pocket or out of the >weather elsewhere, and then the main unit can be mounted anywhere reasonable >and out of the way. Does that mean that the removable facepalte models somehow have an extension cord, so the faceplate can be mounted remote, or were you referring to some kind of corded remote? - Jeff -------------- "How on earth did I get here, and where the hell are my pants?" -Archetypical Nightmare ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 02:50:31 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) Does this affect the PC800? Do we use the same sensor? As I understand it, the problem is due to heat causing early failure. ----- Begin Included Message ----- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmuhr@ibm.net Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Subject: Gold Wing/ST1100 Recall Date: 28 Jun 1995 22:56:39 GMT >From Motorcycle Consumer News IMPORTANT NOTICE re: HONDA GL1500 AND ST1100 BANK ANGLE SENSORS (feel free to copy this notice wherever it might be needed or appreciated) Several months ago MCN initiated a nationwide "Reader's Forum" survey concerning possible defects in the bank angle sensor switches of GL1500 and ST1100 Honda motorcycles. The survey resulted in hundreds of letters from concerned owners, relating sudden and unexpected failures of the switches, resulting in engine shutdown at the most inappropriate times. More than a dozen of these incidents resulted in personal injury to the rider and/or passenger. Copies of these letters were delivered to American Honda's national headquarters, with a request for an evaluation and reply. Honda responded with a computer search of their parts records, which verified abnormal numbers of replacements of sensors produced before 1994, when a new model was designed. To Honda's credit -- in a BIG way -- action was initiated almost immediately. We are pleased to inform you that a recall for the replacement of all bank angle sensors in all Honda GL1500 models produced from 1988 to 1993, and all ST1100 models from 1991 to 1993, will be forthcoming within a matter of days. If you don't receive a notice right away -- don't panic. The recall notices are being staggered over a three-month period so as not to flood the dealers with all the bikes at once, and to give the parts division time to supply all the necessary sensors in a timely manner. Motorcycle Consumer News is proud to have been of service to our readers in this matter, and applauds Honda for their prompt attention to this critical safety matter. Fred Rau Senior Editor MCN ----- End Included Message ----- (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:48:42 +0200 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:48:42 +0200 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: gorgon@xs4all.nl (Ascon de Vries) Subject: introduction Hello everybody, I recently joined the pc800 list. My first name is Ascon and I own a '89 pc800. My bike was imported from the States in '92. The pc800 model is not imported in The Netherlands (yep thats where I live) via the official channels. I don't no why, there are enough enthousiasts...... I like the bike very much. My yearly average is approx. 10,000 mls/year. I hope I'll be a worthy participant in the pc800-list Ascon de Vries E-mail gorgon@xs4all.nl ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) (from "J. Burach" ) (at Sat, 08 Jul 1995 02:50:31 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 09:27:37 CST Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199507080650.CAA15072@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jul 08 you wrote: > Does this affect the PC800? Do we use the same sensor? As I understand > it, the problem is due to heat causing early failure. If My PC has such a sensor, then it doesn't operate. I've never heard of PC's having such, and I sure hope it doesn't, because I ride the thing pushed over as far as it could fall... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 15:59:18 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: introduction >Hello everybody, >I recently joined the pc800 list. >My first name is Ascon and I own a '89 pc800. >My bike was imported from the States in '92. The pc800 model is not imported >in The Netherlands (yep thats where I live) via the official channels. I >don't no why, there are enough enthousiasts...... >I like the bike very much. My yearly average is approx. 10,000 mls/year. > >I hope I'll be a worthy participant in the pc800-list > > > >Ascon de Vries > >E-mail gorgon@xs4all.nl welcome aboard... 94 PC800 named "zero" after the famed WWII japanese fighter pilots hope you have some good ideas be carefilled out there whats cycling like in the Netherlands ey murphey school district of haverford township 1801 darby rd. havertown, pa 19083 also try: EYonline2@aol.com 'within everything is the seed of it's apparent contradiction...understanding the balance and tension between these bring insight' ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:37:13 -0500 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Electronic Cruise Control? Does anyone make an electronic cruise control for the PC800? It looks like Honda might have intended one to go in that slightly raised spot above the start button. Maybe I'm just imagining things based on what my GL1500 has. I'm getting more and more fond of my wife's recently-acquired '90 PC800. . . . -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net 09 Jul 1995 08:49:41 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 08:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >>Are you speaking of helmet speakers? I picked up a mid-priced pair of Sony >>headphones that have the signal cord entering on only one side. I cut off >>the extra plastic and embedded them in the ear pockets. I had to remove >>some foam but it was no big deal. The result is a really good set of > >What helmet model? I don't want to remove _any_ foam, urethane or >polystyrene, from my RF-700. > >-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] >mskeller@ionet.net I also have the RF700 helmet. I put the velcro pad as close to the strap as I could (that is where my ear sits) but the speakers were an 'interference' fit (my helmet fits 'snug' which is proper I'm told). When I put on the helmet, every so often the foam pads would rub off the speakers and fall out of the helmet. I finally took off the foam pads and slid the speaker between the helmet shell and helmet foam. This seems a perfect solution except... I can no longer hear the passenger (I use the cheap chatterbox) :-}. Even my radio (at full volume) can be heard only so-so. I really like the fact that I no longer 'feel' the speakers in the helmet. I also cleaned up the glue from the velcro pad (yuck!) and hate to go back. Any suggestions? I'm tempted to start carving away at the foam but want your advice first! :-) | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 11:50:34 -0400 From: KenSmalley@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Pacific Coast index pc800 which end 09 Jul 1995 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >Uh, OK, but I think you'll have to pick two of headphones, foam removal and >discomfort. I took out a scoop of Styrofoam about half an inch thick at >its deepest directly above the point where the chin strap enters its slot >in the foam. That area provides no protection in any case. The headphones >are essentially part of the pieces of foam over the jaws; you can't tell >they're there unless you notice the cord. My helmet is an AGV R1, but a >friend with an RF200 has made exactly the same modification. > > - J< How did you get the foam out? I have an RF700 and would love to make this modification. | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 11:44:33 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "HS" == Harrison Spain <_spain@UG.EDS.COM> writes: HS> How did you get the foam out? I have an RF700 and would love to make HS> this modification. The different foam pieces in the helmet should be held in by pressure. Just pull one out and the rest should fall out easily. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:41:03 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets >>>Are you speaking of helmet speakers? I picked up a mid-priced pair of Sony >>>headphones that have the signal cord entering on only one side. I cut off >>>the extra plastic and embedded them in the ear pockets. I had to remove >>>some foam but it was no big deal. The result is a really good set of >> >>What helmet model? I don't want to remove _any_ foam, urethane or >>polystyrene, from my RF-700. > >I also have the RF700 helmet. I put the velcro pad as close to the strap >as I could (that is where my ear sits) but the speakers were an >'interference' fit (my helmet fits 'snug' which is proper I'm told). > >When I put on the helmet, every so often the foam pads would rub off the >speakers and fall out of the helmet. I finally took off the foam pads and >slid the speaker between the helmet shell and helmet foam. This seems a >perfect solution except... > >I can no longer hear the passenger (I use the cheap chatterbox) :-}. Even >my radio (at full volume) can be heard only so-so. I really like the fact >that I no longer 'feel' the speakers in the helmet. I also cleaned up the >glue from the velcro pad (yuck!) and hate to go back. > >Any suggestions? I'm tempted to start carving away at the foam but want >your advice first! :-) I wear a cotton head skin between my head and my RF-700. I still don't have sound in the helmet. I tried a few things without cutting foam in the RF-200 I had before. My wife has suggested putting pockets on the head skin and putting the speakers in it. We haven't tried a prototype yet. She doesn't want to carve on _her_ RF-700, either. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 23:40:36 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: STAR 95 and PC modifications I've been meaning to sit down and write this ever since I returned from the HSTA's annual rally, STAR 95, held this year in beautiful Avon, CO. I want to touch briefly upon the rally, especially how it relates to our newsletter, and then, in what will probably be a seperate post, I would like to cover the customized PC's I saw there with brief descriptions of the modifications I observed. You will have to forgive me if I ramble or if my descriptions seem a little vague, there was so much to take in and I am working strictly from my own faulty memory. I know that several of our subscribers are members of the HSTA, but for those who are unfamiliar with this organization, the acronymn stands for Honda Sport Touring Association. The majority of the members ride Hondas but the club is far from being brand specific. I saw at least three Ducatis, quite a few BMWs, and several bikes of a different Japanese heritage. There was even a Harley in attendance. The purpose of this club, as near as anyone has been able to describe it to me, is to find some good roads and GO RIDE! The riding styles of the members vary from aggressive touring to full out sport riding. Perhaps the most amazing thing, considering the responses we receive over in rec.moto, is the acceptance and even appreciation of the PC and its riders. While the PC is not the single most represented bike in the club (I believe that distinction probably belongs to the ST1100) it is very likely second or third. The president of the HSTA even rides a PC. I tell you all of this so you will understand at least one of the reasons attending this rally was so enjoyable. One of the other reasons is the people in the club. They are very much like the subscribers to pc800, considerate and friendly. You can easily draw them out about their motorcycles or good roads. They will ride all day and then sit around and tell stories all night. They will offer assistance when you need it and advice when you don't. They are by and large experienced riders who take the sport seriously and are very safety conscious. I have yet to find a better group of people to ride with. Finally, the thing that capped it all off and truly made this a wonderful experience was the location. I had never been to Colorado or the Rockies, but I had seen pictures and thought I knew what to expect. To a degree I did, but the reality was definitely more than the dream. Going up into the mountains on our way to Avon, which is about 15 minutes from Vail, I was not overly impressed as it was turning dark and what I could see was not so different from the Smokies here in Eastern Tennessee. Once we got out and started riding over the next days I was blown away. The scenery was absolutely breathtaking. Within a couple hours ride of Avon there is an amazing variety of terrain, from rolling scrub covered hills, to deep rocky canyons, to wide level valleys, to towering snow covered rocky peaks it was all wonderful. One of the true highlights of the trips we took was the 12,000 foot plus Independence Pass. We came out of Aspen and started climbing, and climbing, until I thought we must have reached it several times, only to discover yet another section of road winding upward. When we finally reached the top of the pass we were a couple thousand feet above the snow line (we were to discover later that the pass had only been open about a week) and the view with the snow was truly incredible. There were other trips and other scenes that were quite beautiful but none to top that. With warm days and chilly nights you were glad to be back at the lodge by nightfall. We rode so much that we missed the PC800 group shot. However we did not miss the annual banquet where one of our subscribers and fellow HSTA member, Roger Prince, received the award for farthest distance riden two-up. If you recall from his posts he has already worn out one PC, is on his second, and I believe already looking for a third. Way to go Roger! I would like to apologise for writing such a long piece, but I wanted you to know there are groups where the PC is not the butt of jokes or subjected to slander. I did get a chance to discuss the PC with several people while I was there, mainly in an attempt to get information about a modification that I had seen on their bikes. I will be sending another post with what little information, and it is rather meager, I was able to glean. Those of our subscribers who are members of the HSTA, I hope to get the opportunity to meet you at one of the clubs future events. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 08:06:18 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: '95 price ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/10/95 08:08 ## 1995 in crate @$6699.00 - out the door total. Central Mass. Other prices were $7000. and $7129. One dealer wanted list which he says is $7800.??. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: DonRafael@aol.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/04/95 19:50 ## I have been able to negotiate to $6900 + TTL locally here ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 09:14:06 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) >If My PC has such a sensor, then it doesn't operate. I've never heard of >PC's having such, and I sure hope it doesn't, because I ride the thing >pushed over as far as it could fall... Wouldn't matter, Kent. In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) would make such a sensor "think" it was still upright. It's exactly the same reason that you don't fall out of the seat in a steep turn. Having said that, I've never heard of such a sensor either. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:35:33 -0300 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) Michael White writes: >In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the >centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) would >make such a sensor "think" it was still upright. I would have agreed until I saw the PC800 with self-cancelling turn signals. There is obviously some sideways acceleration to detect. -dan -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada Mon, 10 Jul 95 09:47:43 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 09:44:15 EDT From: W.Michael DiTullio@VNET.IBM.COM To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System News-Software: UReply 3.1 In a previous message, you wrote: >>the stuff you need but being J&M it ain't cheap. I've also thought about the >>real 2-way radios that radio-shack sells. You need a license, but that just >>means you have to fill out a form, and they're not real expensive. Just need >>to find some controls you can easily work while you're riding. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>|Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | >>|ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | >>|Spazman@aol.com | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | > >If you're going to go that sort of expense for a radio, I recommend getting >an amateur radio license (a bit more than filling a form, but not >much--Radio Shack has license preparation materials and no code test is >required for the entry-level license) and you can operate a much wider >variety of equipment. Autopatches will allow you to make free calls from >your bike. . . . > > >-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] >mskeller@ionet.net > Yea, a guy I work with was telling me about this stuff on Friday. He says the test isn't that difficult. And he showed me how he can make local phone calls using his handheld portable. Beats the hell out of cellular for what I'd use it for. So, he brought some magazines in for me and I'm going to give myself a crash course in ham equip. and go for the test. Yup, just what I need, another expensive hobby. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Mike DiTullio |All opinions are my own, and I have | |ditullio@lfs.loral.com |thousands of them to donate...ask me. | |Spazman@aol.com | 87 VW-GTI, 89 Hawk-GT, 95 ST1100 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:51:49 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: introduction >Hello everybody, >I recently joined the pc800 list. >My first name is Ascon and I own a '89 pc800. >My bike was imported from the States in '92. The pc800 model is not imported >in The Netherlands (yep thats where I live) via the official channels. I >don't no why, there are enough enthousiasts...... >I like the bike very much. My yearly average is approx. 10,000 mls/year. > >I hope I'll be a worthy participant in the pc800-list > > > >Ascon de Vries > >E-mail gorgon@xs4all.nl > > > Welcome. Always pleased to see us pushing the global boundaries. How do you hear about a bike like the PC when they are not imported. The PC gets very little promotion in this country and not much press coverage. My girlfriend was saying that with some good promotion, the PC could be a big seller because it is so practical, but that it is not widely recognized outside of a small circle of enthusiasts. (nuts like us.) :-) I am assuming that you translated into mls/year from your native km/year for the benefit of us non-metric bozos. How thoughtful. But since we're on the subject... In the states, we refer to miles per gallon as mileage. How do you refer to kilometers per liter? Kilometerage? Here we say, "Your mileage may vary." (YMMV). What do you say? YKMV? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:02:30 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Re: Sound in helmets >>>>>> "MSK" == Michael S Keller writes: > >MSK> What helmet model? I don't want to remove _any_ foam, urethane or >MSK> polystyrene, from my RF-700. > >Uh, OK, but I think you'll have to pick two of headphones, foam removal and >discomfort. I took out a scoop of Styrofoam about half an inch thick at >its deepest directly above the point where the chin strap enters its slot >in the foam. That area provides no protection in any case. The headphones >are essentially part of the pieces of foam over the jaws; you can't tell >they're there unless you notice the cord. My helmet is an AGV R1, but a >friend with an RF200 has made exactly the same modification. > > - J< > I may have said this in the past but I'll repeat. The Arai Signet has removeable cheek pads. They can be replaced for thinner or thicker pad for better fit. The pads just pop out with a firm tug and are covered with a removeable fabric cover. The foam piece has a cutout area where a headphone speaker fits perfectly. No cutting, no modification, no problem. My girlfriend has a Shoei helmet and it doesn't look like the cheek pads come out the same. It looks like their covering is stitched to the section infront of the mouth. Does anybody know if the cheek pads are removeable in the Shoei 700 helmet. It seems like the same cutout exists just above where the strap turns in through the cheek pad which is just opposite the ear. But how do I get to it? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:23 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Kilos/Liters/MPG >But since we're on the subject... In the states, we refer to miles per >gallon as mileage. How do you refer to kilometers per liter? >Kilometerage? Here we say, "Your mileage may vary." (YMMV). What do you >say? YKMV? Back when I lived in Germany they always talked about their fuel economy in terms of "liters per 100 km." I imagine it's still the same. Have a "PC" day! Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jul 10 11:31:11 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:31:12 -0300 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: introduction Neill asks: >But since we're on the >subject... In the states, we refer to miles per gallon as mileage. How do >you refer to kilometers per liter In Canada, technically the correct unit is "litres per 100 kilometers"; the smaller the better. But lots of people do the painful conversion to miles per (Imperial) gallon anyway. And you say "mileage" to refer to distance. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca NOC Manager, NSTN Operations Centre 902-494-danm Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. NSTN is Canada's Internet Navigator! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 15:05:44 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Sound System >2-way radios that radio-shack sells. >...amateur radio license >... can make local phone calls Radio Shack does sell commercial FM radios that would work fine bike to bike. Ham radio is somewhat different. It's a hobby medium, and a license is required. You earn the license by passing a test on radio theory, FCC regulations, and operating practices. Most license classes (there are 5, with varying priveledges) also require reception of morse code, but one does not. The No-Code license requires you to pass a 55 question multiple-choice test. Study materials are available that give the full question pool from which the 55 will be selected. Kids as young as 6 have passed the test, so any motivated adult should have no problems. Repeater stations with phone patches are operated by radio clubs, and usually require membership. Fees are typically low; $20 - $30 per year. You can make outgoing calls only; no incomming calls. Business calls of any kind are not permitted; you can't call your office to get your messages an schedule meetings. If you'd like more info on becomming a ham, just drop me an email note at mwhite@mitre.org Mike White '89 Pacific Coast Amateur Radio N4PDY ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:55:29 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > Hi John (John Miriello), in <199507062341.QAA02159@ix2.ix.netcom.com> on Jul 06 you wrote: > > > > If anyone has some feedback on the helmet units, send some info. > > Don't get a Chatterbox. Period. Final. Absolute. ??????? I've got nothing but good things to say about my (and my wife's) Chatterboxes. Anything I should be aware of? Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:03:30 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Sound System On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > The Chatterbox seemed at first to be a good thing, but in short time, > I ended up replacing every jack but the ptt jack and both helmet > units. One of them twice. They just don't survive very long, even > with kid glove care. I think about 5 riding buddies bought them and > mine is the only one that still works. I never use it anymore because > it just requires too much futzing with to keep it working. It could be the result of the same weather conditions that cause you to find rust on the rear axle of your bike. We've had ours for three years now (two summers on one set of batteries!) and we haven't experienced any problems. The manufacturer might be aware of some problems though. I noticed that Cory's unit has a rubber hood on the helmet/mic male end of the jack that seals the jack form the elements. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:24:27 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Daniel MacKay wrote: > Michael White writes: > > >In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the > >centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) would > >make such a sensor "think" it was still upright. > > I would have agreed until I saw the PC800 with self-cancelling turn > signals. There is obviously some sideways acceleration to detect. yeah, but how many times does one need to use a turn signal while leaned over and doing ovber a hundred?! :-) Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:57:33 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: STAR 95 and PC modifications Jim Minyard writes: >>I would like to apologise for writing such a long piece, but I wanted you to know there are groups where the PC is not the butt of jokes or subjected to slander. << I'm sure I speak for just about everyone when I say: don't apologize. The post was informative AND good storytelling. I particularly enjoyed the double meaning (perhaps unintended?) of the following line: "They will offer assistance when you need it and advice when you don't." Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:57:31 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: '95 price Roger writes: >>From: Roger Prince:DGC ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: ## 07/10/95 08:08 ## 1995 in crate @$6699.00 - out the door total. Central Mass. Other prices were $7000. and $7129. One dealer wanted list which he says is $7800.??. Roger<< Hey, Roger, was that at Cycle Design? Be fair: I negotiated that price last August, and Doug knew I'd referred you. : ) Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:22:29 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) In a message dated 95-07-10 18:31:16 EDT, you write: >> Michael White writes: >> >> >In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the >> >centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) >would >> >make such a sensor "think" it was still upright. >> >> I would have agreed until I saw the PC800 with self-cancelling turn >> signals. There is obviously some sideways acceleration to detect. According to my PC Service Manual, the self-cancelling turn signals use an optical sensor that detects front wheel deflection (or steering) through a slotted plate. Isn't the tilt sensor on the ST1100 and the Gold Wing intended to kill the engine in the event of an accident to prevent engine damage or fire? If so, wouldn't we have to drop a PC while it's running to see if that kills the motor? And do we have any volunteers? Oh yeah, I guess I could just look to see if there is any mention in the service manual... naah, that'd be too easy :^) Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:07:10 -0400 To: Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) On Mon, Jul 10, 1995 2:24:27 pm at Juan Goula wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Daniel MacKay wrote: > >> Michael White writes: >> >> >In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the >> >centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) would >> >make such a sensor "think" it was still upright. >> >> I would have agreed until I saw the PC800 with self-cancelling turn >> signals. There is obviously some sideways acceleration to detect. > > >yeah, but how many times does one need to use a turn signal while leaned >over and doing ovber a hundred?! :-) I believe over a certain speed the turn signals stay on for 6.something seconds regardless of lean etc. There's a cryptic explanation in the service manual, but in absence of an *actual* problem, I don't feel like bothering deciphering the manual-speak :-) - Jeff -------------- "How on earth did I get here, and where the hell are my pants?" -Archetypical Nightmare ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:17:15 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JB" == J Burach writes: JB> I believe over a certain speed the turn signals stay on for 6.something JB> seconds regardless of lean etc. >From the service manual; 0 km/h - signals flash continuously 1 - 67 km/h - self-cancel after 108 - 132 m has been moved since the bike stopped turning. over 67 km/h - self-cancel after 6.3 - 7.7 seconds from time switch was actuated. The whole mess seems needlessly complicated. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:22:29 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:35:44 CST Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <950711002227_30077429@aol.com> on Jul 11 you wrote: > wouldn't we have to drop a PC while it's running to see if that kills the > motor? And do we have any volunteers? Oh yeah, I guess I could just look to > see if there is any mention in the service manual... naah, that'd be too easy > :^) As I mentioned, it doesn't. You don't need to check the manual. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Sound System (from Juan Goula ) (at Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:03:30 -0800 (AKDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:38:45 CST Hi Juan (Juan Goula), in on Jul 10 you wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > > > The Chatterbox seemed at first to be a good thing, but in short time, > > I ended up replacing every jack but the ptt jack and both helmet > > It could be the result of the same weather conditions that cause you to > find rust on the rear axle of your bike. We've had ours for three years > now (two summers on one set of batteries!) and we haven't experienced any > problems. The manufacturer might be aware of some problems though. I > noticed that Cory's unit has a rubber hood on the helmet/mic male end of > the jack that seals the jack form the elements. South/Central Texas isn't *that* humid. :^) Also, all those riders I mentioned whose Cboxes quit had the same problem. After I went to a better jack (replacing all but the ppt jack), there were nevermore any such problems. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) (from m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)) (at Mon, 10 Jul 1995 09:14:06 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 09:40:14 CST Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199507101315.JAA20284@mwunix.mitre.org> on Jul 10 you wrote: > >If My PC has such a sensor, then it doesn't operate. I've never heard of > >PC's having such, and I sure hope it doesn't, because I ride the thing > >pushed over as far as it could fall... > > Wouldn't matter, Kent. In one of your 110 mph, footpeg-scraping sweepers, the > centrifugal force (centripetal acceleration, actually... but I digress) would Snagged ya on that one, didn't I? :^) :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:44:04 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) jeffy3@pipeline.com (J. Burach) writes: >>I believe over a certain speed the turn signals stay on for 6.something seconds regardless of lean etc. There's a cryptic explanation in the service manual, but in absence of an *actual* problem, I don't feel like bothering deciphering the manual-speak :-) << I've noticed that, and always assumed that the reason for it was that at high speeds you'd basically be using turn signals for lane changes, a situation in which there's minimal lean or turning of the wheel for the self-cancel detect--and a situation in which people often forget to cancel turn signals. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 11:20:27 TZ Subject: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) | Isn't the tilt sensor on the ST1100 and the Gold Wing intended to kill the | engine in the event of an accident to prevent engine damage or fire? If so, | wouldn't we have to drop a PC while it's running to see if that kills the | motor? And do we have any volunteers? Well I've dropped the bike and the engine didn't cut after the bike came to rest on it's side. Manual kill switch worked best. Short story: manuvering a bike in scenic parking lot with passenger and camping gear for two can/will tip over at a moments notice. No injuries/damage to report, just an adrenaline rush and good parking lot show. \"/ I'm working on a trip report from a 4-day July 4th tour that I will forward to the alias soon with all the juicy details. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:58:38 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Promised trip report >Short story: manuvering a bike in scenic parking lot with passenger >and camping gear for two can/will tip over at a moments notice. No >injuries/damage to report, just an adrenaline rush and good parking lot >show. \"/ > >I'm working on a trip report from a 4-day July 4th tour that I will >forward to the alias soon with all the juicy details. > >-bryceu > > Please include info on how you managed to pack camping gear for two. I have all the right stuff (ie: very compact MSR stove, 4lb 2-person tent, sleeping bags, etc.) but it still seemed like too much volume. When I went by myself, a small duffle on the passenger seat made it possible. The combination of needing to carry more stuff and having less place to put it made the idea of two-up camping look out of the question. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: To PC from GL1500? To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:46:23 -0500 (CDT) How many of you have moved from a GL1500 to a PC800? I've fallen in love with my wife's new (to her) '90 PC800 (it has so few miles on it it could pass for a '96). I ride a '93 GL1500. I have three problems to address before deciding I want to switch: 1. Vibration in the hands. We've put foam grips on her PC, but the vibration still gets to me after a while. 2. Cargo capacity. I ride to work every day and I carry a briefcase, a soft bag with my mid-day reading material and handheld amateur radio equipment. I also have stuff I carry all the time, such as rain suit, Totes, reflective vest, other face shield and so forth. 3. Winter warmth. I don't want to feel any colder in my winter riding (again, every day to work when there isn't snow on the streets and it doesn't snow much in NE Oklahoma). I want something more sporty. While I haven't ridden an ST1100, I don't relish having to do valve adjustments. That makes the PC more desirable. The ST's bags look even smaller than the PC's boot. If you've made the transition, how did you deal with it? Thanks in advance. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 16:11:20 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Intercom wanted Looking for an intercom; tired of my wife poking me in the ribs. Anyone got a Nady or something they want to sell? Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Promised trip report (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:58:38 -0600) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 21:57:02 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9507111858.AA24878@trg.trglink.com> on Jul 11 you wrote: > Please include info on how you managed to pack camping gear for two. I have > all the right stuff (ie: very compact MSR stove, 4lb 2-person tent, > sleeping bags, etc.) but it still seemed like too much volume. When I went Maybe you pack more gear than we do? :^) I take my wife or one of my kids camping on the PC every now and then. If it's me, everything fits in the trunk. For one more, I'll use my tank bag and one of the sleeping bags bungeed behind the pass. backrest. Everything else fits in the trunk. I use those new little backpack sleeping bags (40deg) that pack down to about 10"x6". They make a big difference in available space. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 11 Jul 1995 20:23:52 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: ST1100 tilt sensor recall (fwd) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >>>>>> "JB" == J Burach writes: > >JB> I believe over a certain speed the turn signals stay on for 6.something >JB> seconds regardless of lean etc. > >From the service manual; > >0 km/h - signals flash continuously >1 - 67 km/h - self-cancel after 108 - 132 m has been moved since the bike > stopped turning. >over 67 km/h - self-cancel after 6.3 - 7.7 seconds from time switch was > actuated. > >The whole mess seems needlessly complicated. > > - J< When you think about it, the solution is quite elegant :-). I too wondered how the turn signals cancelled and looked it up in the manual (it is hard to find but it *is* documented). If cancellation were time based, slow turns would cancel too soon. If they were distance based, they would cancel too quickly on freeway lane changes ;-). The addition of an angle sensor completes the data necessary to cancel them properly (almost) every time. I'm impressed that they cared enough to develop this algorithm. The bottom line is that it works and very well :-). I never had a bike with auto-canceling turn signals (the PC may be unique in this regard, I don't know). It is one of those nifty features that makes a PC a pleasure to ride. No blink-blink-blink (yes, I'm an idiot) turn signal lights ;-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 07:23:34 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: Promised trip report ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/12/95 07:25 ## Bushtec (the trailer company in MO) makes a PC specific trailer hitch. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: thompson@trg.trglink.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/11/95 11:58 ## >Short story: manuvering a bike in scenic parking lot with passenger >and camping gear for two can/will tip over at a moments notice. No >injuries/damage to report, just an adrenaline rush and good parking lot >show. \"/ > >I'm working on a trip report from a 4-day July 4th tour that I will >forward to the alias soon with all the juicy details. > >-bryceu > > Please include info on how you managed to pack camping gear for two. I have all the right stuff (ie: very compact MSR stove, 4lb 2-person tent, sleeping bags, etc.) but it still seemed like too much volume. When I went by myself, a small duffle on the passenger seat made it possible. The combination of needing to carry more stuff and having less place to put it made the idea of two-up camping look out of the question. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 13:10:22 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Stereo Unit Cc: tekbspa!ramin@tss.com Hi Folks - FYI, I just noticed an ad in a local publication for an automotive AM/FM/CD player unit, complete with detachable face-plate, on sale for $149. It seems to be a no-name kinda thing, but heck, for $149, if it only works for a year, you've gotten your money's worth. (For those of you in the Greater SF Bay area, the ad was the weekly Fry's Electronics ad on the back of the San Jose _Metro_.) It seems like this might be useful for those of you looking for Coast-tunes, without spending the huge bucks for the Honda/Kenwood unit. Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 02:26:33 -0400 From: DGrossSEA@aol.com To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Welcome to pc800 Dave Gross Seattle WA DGrossSEA@aol.com 1989 White bought used w/10k on it LOVE IT! Does the larger windshield from the 90 or 95 fit onto the 89? Does anyone have a Corbin saddle on their bike?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 16 Jul 95 17:31:31 EDT From: Jeff Wagland <75337.1410@compuserve.com> To: All Subject: Hello Hello PC800 riders. My name is Jeff Wagland. I live in the UK, in a small town called Marlow, just west of London. I'm about to buy a second hand PC800 from a dealer here who seems to specialise in bringing these bikes in from the States. I'm not entirely sure of the model year - I expect to find it out when I get sight of the bike's documentation. In case those riders based in America aren't aware, the PC800 isn't imported into the UK, for reasons best known to Honda UK. Information on the bike is therefore pretty hard to come by, beyond the occasional magazine article. I'm hoping to find most of what I need to know from the internet - in fact if anyone hasn't come across it already, the PC800 WWW page is a pretty good source of basic information and further leads. However, it would help a lot if I could get hold of a good workshop manual for the bike. Can anyone recommend one and tell me where I can get hold of a copy, either in the UK or elsewhere ? Any information gratefully received. Regards Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 23:32:06 -0400 To: <75337.1410@compuserve.com> Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hello On Sun, Jul 16, 1995 5:31:31 pm at Jeff Wagland wrote: >However, it would help a lot if I could get hold of a good workshop manual for >the bike. Can anyone recommend one and tell me where I can get hold of a copy, >either in the UK or elsewhere ? Any information gratefully received. You should be able to order a service manual for about $40 US from a Honda dealer. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:43:05 -0400 (EDT) From: gparsons To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: non-list rider's friend gets a pc Hi. I'm Grant Parsons, the dude who wrote a while back asking if any of y'all knew of a red PC for sale anywhere for my friend Jo in Conn. I got maybe six responses from folks on the list, and I appreciate it. Thanks to all of you, especially those who offered to go look bikes over in far-flung places. One respondent asked me to post back what happened with Jo, so that's what I'm doing here. Jo now has a brand new PC 800, 1995 model. He went to look at a PC found through the list in Westchester (very close to where he lives), and when he saw it the wheels started turning. He talked himself into a new one instead of used, and wound up with black instead of mid-life red. I talked to him last night, and he's psyched. He's got about 300 miles on it (only picked it up friday, and sunday didn't ride at all), and he and his wife have gone on a few spins. He's now coming back for the larger windshield and the rear backrest for the passenger. He absolutely loves the bike, and is happy with his choice. Thanks, all for your help tracking down PCs, and know that you've got one more person out there who's the biggest of PC fans. When Jo gets a home computer, he'll subscribe. He was blown away at the number of instant responses for the call for PCs. So, one convert to both the Internet and the PC. Not bad, no? If you need to respond, please do so via e-mail to gparsons@nando.net, as I'm not a PC800 list subcriber. Thanks again, Grant Grant Parsons '84 Ascot (for sale) '92 Seca II DoD# 1232 gparsons@nando.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 07:59:48 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: All Subject: Re: Hello On Sun, 16 Jul 1995, Jeff Wagland wrote: Hello there across the pond, > hasn't come across it already, the PC800 WWW page is a pretty good source of > basic information and further leads. If I understand it correctly, the same people that maintain this list take care of the WWW page. > However, it would help a lot if I could get hold of a good workshop manual for > the bike. Can anyone recommend one and tell me where I can get hold of a copy, > either in the UK or elsewhere ? Any information gratefully received. I bought one wwhen I got my bike. I think it was around $50.00 US. I could try to get one for you if you are interested. Welcome to the group! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 12:21:10 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JG" == Juan Goula writes: JG> On Sun, 16 Jul 1995, Jeff Wagland wrote: Hello there across the pond, JG> If I understand it correctly, the same people that maintain this list JG> take care of the WWW page. Actually that's not the case. I maintain the mailing list, while (pardon of I get this wrong) Neill Thompson takes care of the web page. This is basically because while Neill was getting the page ready I wasn't web-savvy enough to make things work on my machine. I'm better at it now (though I still haven't spent the time to give myself a good page), but the PC page is still somewhere else. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:01:27 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:01:08 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:00:57 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:00:51 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:00:45 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:00:39 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 00:00:30 -0500 (CDT) 12 Jul 1995 00:57:04 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:57:04 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com Subject: PC 2 GL and Sound System To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Recently, Michael asked about vibration in the handlebars. I was annoyed by the same problem. My solution: run, don't walk, to your dealer and by an inexpensive throttle lock and install it. Being able to take your hands off the handlebar reduces the annoyance tremendously. I put two self-tapping screws through the vertical plate of the cruise control straight into the handlebar cover. I drilled starter holes first. The screws were tiny--1/4" dia?--and about 1/2" long. Can't see it and it holds well. I also have foam grips which improve comfort but don't do much to relieve vibration. Solutions I've read about include something called a Bar Snake, which is a thick rubber hose inserted into tubular handlebars. I've also wondered about pouring sand into the bars as another way to change the vibration frequency. Re: sound systems, a friend on an ST has one of the best sounding systems I've heard. RK Accessories makes high quality tank bags and other cycling gear. One of their tank bags incorporates an automotive cassette radio. It sticks straight up from the rear of the bag. Remove the bag and take the radio with you. I don't know any details about power hook ups. I believe he has speakers in the fairing, but he might have been using helmet speakers. Hope these tips help. :) Jeff by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:38:42 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:38:18 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:38:05 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:37:49 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:37:17 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:36:48 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 11 Jul 1995 14:36:16 -0500 (CDT) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA11555; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:36:02 -0400 id PAA11825; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:35:57 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:35:57 -0400 From: "J. Burach" Subject: Re: Promised trip report - two-up camping and duck-tail To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com On Tue, Jul 11, 1995 11:58:38 am at Neill Thompson wrote: >>Short story: manuvering a bike in scenic parking lot with passenger >>and camping gear for two can/will tip over at a moments notice. No >>injuries/damage to report, just an adrenaline rush and good parking lot >>show. \"/ >> >>I'm working on a trip report from a 4-day July 4th tour that I will >>forward to the alias soon with all the juicy details. >> >>-bryceu >> >> >Please include info on how you managed to pack camping gear for two. I have >all the right stuff (ie: very compact MSR stove, 4lb 2-person tent, >sleeping bags, etc.) but it still seemed like too much volume. When I went >by myself, a small duffle on the passenger seat made it possible. The >combination of needing to carry more stuff and having less place to put it >made the idea of two-up camping look out of the question. I did it by cramming the tent and sleeping bags into a large rectangular duffel, and bungieing the duffel on top of the ducktail (I have the hondaline backrest mounted). The bungie cords went to the seat handle mounting posts. I placed a piece of synthetic chamois under the duffel bag, to prevent scratching, but th thing didn't really slide, so this was perhaps not necessary. It worked quite well -- the entire arrangement was stable at very high speed for a 275 mile ride on relatively striaght roads. I was even able to open the trunk without removing the duffel. Coming back though, I was able to jetison the duffel by giving it to a cager friend to bring back. This was a relief because rain threatened, and I wanted my full attention for that. Someone recently wrote about using the space inside the ducktail. That's creative, I hadn't realized that space was there. What's the recommended way to get in, removal of the passenger seat, or the complicated-looking covers surrounding the trunk latch upper side? - Jeff by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 12:13:19 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 12:12:43 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 11:14:05 -0500 (CDT) id AB11363; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:14:08 +0600 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 11:13:40 -0500 (CDT) id AB11357; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:13:37 +0600 by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 10:38:24 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 10:37:55 -0500 (CDT) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 12 Jul 1995 10:36:42 -0500 (CDT) 12 Jul 1995 11:36:22 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:36:22 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Promised trip report To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Hey, Kent, what tank bag do you have? Would you recommend it? Anyone else have one they like? And one other thing: how do you attach a tank bag to the PC? You certainly can't use magnetic tank bags. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:39:17 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to pc800 In a message dated 95-07-16 02:35:19 EDT, you write: >DGrossSEA@aol.com >Does the 90 or 95 windshield fit the 89? Yep, the 90 does; I've got the 90 screen on my 89. The original was damaged. The 90 is about 2 inches taller than the 89 and provides better wind protection but still allows me to look over the top. I wanted even more wind protection but didn't want to look through the windshield, so I added a Lockhart wind spoiler to the top of the shield. Now the turbulence hits the top of my helmet and I can still look over the top of the shield. :) Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:36:00 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Suspension upgrades Has anyone installed Progressive Suspension's fork springs or a pair of aftermarket shocks? I think Works Performance made shocks. If you've installed these mods, please describe your experience. Was there a noticeable improvement? What was your mileage when you did the work? Did you do the work yourself? How difficult was it? I've got 37k on my 89 PC and have started to wonder if the suspension needed work. I don't really notice anything myself, but I've read many articles that say the suspension on most bikes is gone at 20k. Any thoughts would be read with interest. :) Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Suspension upgrades (from JeffHamltn@aol.com) (at Mon, 17 Jul 1995 23:36:00 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 23:12:25 CST Hi JeffHamltn (JeffHamltn), in <950717233553_117105515@aol.com> on Jul 17 you wrote: > Has anyone installed Progressive Suspension's fork springs or a pair of > aftermarket shocks? I think Works Performance made shocks. If you've > installed these mods, please describe your experience. Was there a You might want to check the maillist archives as I have written a fair amount regarding suspension modifications to the PC. Most of it soon after the maillist was started, so should be in the earliest archives. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:20:51 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Promised trip report On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > Hey, Kent, what tank bag do you have? Would you recommend it? Anyone else > have one they like? And one other thing: how do you attach a tank bag to the > PC? You certainly can't use magnetic tank bags. I use a Tracy "Stealth" (I believe that is what the called it) tank bag. It is not very big but I can cram in it: My Pentax SLR plus extra lens, cell phone, extra gloves, wallet, neck warmer, damp cloth, extra pair of glasses, 20 oz. Gatorade(tm) squeeze bottle and assorted small odds and ends. It has four fastex attachment points each with a neoprene buckle guard. It has a rigid shape, so it doesn't flop around when empty, but it is soft. You certainly can mash it down at full steering lock. The shape matches the shape of the "gas tank". No sharp angles anywhere. I got mine as a sale/surplus item. I don't believe they make it anymore, which is unfortunate because I would like to get a red one [mine is blue :( ] and I don't have the velcro-on map pocket. If someone out there knows about one these red bags, let me know! :) As for attaching the bag, I took off the under-the-handlebar covers, the same ones you remove to get to the air filter. I looped a single strap around the steering head and placed the covers back on over the strap ends with just the buckles sticking out. On the seat end, I took the rider portion of the seat off, looped a strand around the sub-frame member that goes over the real gas tank and arranged it the same way, with just the buckles sticking out. This gives the bag enough play so that I can move it to one side about 2-3" if I need to turn the bike around in a parking lot or such with out giving gray haired ladies a heart attack with a blast of the air horns. Otherwise, the bag is very stable. When I don't want the bag on the bike, I just hide the buckles behind the leading "flaps" of the seat and under the plastic covers under the handlebar and presto!: stock look. If you do this, make sure that the front buckles/straps won't tangle with anything around the steering! :O Anyway, enough for now. Good luck! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:27:39 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Suspension upgrades Hi Kent. In a message dated 95-07-18 00:23:34 EDT, you write: >You might want to check the maillist archives as I have written a >fair amount regarding suspension modifications to the PC. Most of >it soon after the maillist was started, so should be in the earliest >archives. I'm on America Online. How do I access these archives? I just started receiving these mailings when I signed on to the newsgroup(?) and this is the first I've seen archives mentioned. Thanks for the quick reply! :) Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Promised trip report (from JeffHO@aol.com) (at Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:36:22 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 23:36:54 CST Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <950712113619_113244795@aol.com> on Jul 12 you wrote: > Hey, Kent, what tank bag do you have? Would you recommend it? Anyone else > have one they like? And one other thing: how do you attach a tank bag to the > PC? You certainly can't use magnetic tank bags. I have a relatively inexpensive Chase Harper single compartment bag with a single zip flap. Large 'box', but not expandible. I had a real fancy Eclipse with all the gadgets and whistles before, but for the PC, I thought I just needed a basic box that had real simple access to things like my camera, my water bottle, food, washcloth, rainsuit, map, etc. For my needs, it's done exactly what I wanted. you attach them pretty much just like a std bike. I pulled the seat and attached the rear mount to the frame (where it stays). I just pull the seat front away, reach in and pull the strap out and attach to the bag when needed. For the front, I just removed those two little panels under the handlebars and wrapped the straps around the steering-head assy. Wehn not in use it stays tucked inside there. To use I just remove the right panel, fish the straps out and hook to the bag (replace the panel) Just slightly more involved than a std bike. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Suspension upgrades (from JeffHamltn@aol.com) (at Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:27:39 -0400) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 23:43:39 CST Hi JeffHamltn (JeffHamltn), in <950718002738_117153529@aol.com> on Jul 18 you wrote: > Hi Kent. In a message dated 95-07-18 00:23:34 EDT, you write: > > >You might want to check the maillist archives as I have written a [...] > > I'm on America Online. How do I access these archives? I just started You might have receive a list of instructions when you first joined, or a pointer to such. Anyway send email to Majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu with a content of: help index pc800 This will return the help message and a list of the archive files. Then you send another: get pc800 Maybe save the help message as it is pretty standard for MajorDomo servers. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Promised trip report (from Juan Goula ) (at Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:20:51 -0800 (AKDT)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 23:46:32 CST Hi Juan (Juan Goula), in on Jul 17 you wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > > > Hey, Kent, what tank bag do you have? Would you recommend it? Anyone else > > have one they like? And one other thing: how do you attach a tank bag to the > > PC? You certainly can't use magnetic tank bags. > > I use a Tracy "Stealth" (I believe that is what the called it) tank bag. [...] > It has a rigid shape, so it doesn't flop around when empty, but it is This sounds almost exactly like my Chase Harper... Mounted the same and with the same traits under use. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:51:34 -0400 From: DGrossSEA@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: mail Good gawd....ever take a look at the path for the MAIL?? My brother and I both have PC's...when we moved to Seattle last winter, we rode all winter long...this past Memorial Day, we set out to explore the Northern Cascade Mountians...Ended up doing the ENTIRE Cascade Loop...all 450 miles of it...in one day. Left at 7 am, back at 9pm...and it was still sunlite!!! We didn't really overdo it, stopped when we were tired...can't really even complain about the seat...just gotta save for the Corbin Saddle!! BTW..saw a photo from my Seattle Honda dealer..the new 96 is the same RED that the ST1100 is....oooooooh....drooooool.... Dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:02:21 -0400 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank Bags In a message dated 95-07-18 00:25:18 EDT, you write: > >> Hey, Kent, what tank bag do you have? Would you recommend it? Anyone else >> have one they like? And one other thing: how do you attach a tank bag to >the >> PC? You certainly can't use magnetic tank bags. > > I wasn't going to write till I had a chance to work on the kinks but I guess it's not premature to post this. During my last trip, I spend a lot of time thinking about some extra storage. Once I got home, I began work on a handlebar bag. I used a Frostline Kit for a bicycle handlebar bag as my starting point. I built my prototype out of coated (waterproof) nylon packcloth. I put a clear vinyl map pocket on the top. The map pocket will hold a standard AAA roadmap folded to one section. The bag itself is about 4 inches thick and fits in the 'V' between the handle bars. It is as tall as it can be and still allow me to see the gauges over the top. From front to rear, it fits in between the ignition and the choke. I used velcro straps to fasten around the handle bars just below the brake and clutch reservoirs. I also made a belt to allow it to be worn as a fanny pack. One of the ideas I toyed with was to make the straps which fasten it to the handle bars double as a water bottle holder when used as a fanny pack. Any input out there? Perhaps if I can get a picture posted I'll let y'all see. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:01:09 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Vibration This is funny, my thought on my '89 -- I haven't driven another PC -- is that it vibrates less, on the butt or the handlebars or feet, than any other cycle I've ever been on. Between about 120 and 160kph, I really have very little idea that the engine's running at all, and butt- and hand- burn from vibration is nil. The interesting part is that taking my hands off the bars is completely out of the question because the bike immediately wobbles severely at any speed. Hmmm- wonder what could be different between our bikes? -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:04:12 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "D" == DGrossSEA writes: D> Good gawd....ever take a look at the path for the MAIL?? Actually that was due to a queue here on campus unsticking itself. I got about a thousand pieces of mail in ten minutes... D> BTW..saw a photo from my Seattle Honda dealer..the new 96 is the same D> RED that the ST1100 is....oooooooh....drooooool.... Yes, there's a web page with a picture on it. The upper body is red, the lower is black. No silver this time. I think it looks nice. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Tank Bags Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 01:08:00 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "N" == NThompso writes: N> [...] I began work on a handlebar bag. This sounds pretty interesting. I'd love to see a picture. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:03:39 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Vibration On Tue, Jul 18, 1995 3:01:09 am at Daniel MacKay wrote: >This is funny, my thought on my '89 -- I haven't driven another PC -- is >that it vibrates less, on the butt or the handlebars or feet, than any >other cycle I've ever been on. Between about 120 and 160kph, I really have >very little idea that the engine's running at all, and butt- and hand- burn >from vibration is nil. I do get hand buzz on my '89 after high-speed riding for 1-2 hours. I understand this is common. My old CB650 wasn't capable of sustained riding like that, so I have nothing to compare to. I was conteplating gel grips, or such, but 90% of my riding is shorter hops, and the buzz if never a problem then, and the grips I've seen look tacky. > >The interesting part is that taking my hands off the bars is completely out >of the question because the bike immediately wobbles severely at any speed. Hmm. I *don't* have this problem. Check the tire balance, tire pressure, tire wear, fork bending?? - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 09:35:50 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Re: Vibration >I do get hand buzz on my '89 after high-speed riding for 1-2 hours. This is very strange. I get *ZERO* handlebar vibration on my '89 PC. I mean, none at all, and that's with stock grips. Are the handlebar weights on yours intact? >The interesting part is that taking my hands off the bars is completely out >of the question because the bike immediately wobbles severely at any speed. Curiouser and Curiouser. My '89 is very stable; I can easily ride hands off using the throttle lock or while coasting. I get no wobble at any speed. Are your tires ok? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Vibration (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)) (at Tue, 18 Jul 1995 03:01:09 -0300) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 08:55:24 CST Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Jul 18 you wrote: > The interesting part is that taking my hands off the bars is completely out > of the question because the bike immediately wobbles severely at any speed. > > Hmmm- wonder what could be different between our bikes? On a new bike: tires. This kind of wobble is often caused by underinflation. If you run it underinflated too long, the tread takes a set and you have a permanently wobbly tire. If it hasn't been this way for long, sometimes you can inflate a bit more than std running pressure * but less than the max tire pressure * and the tread will 'recover'. Set pressure back to normal after it has done so, and maybe monitor tire pressures a bit more often. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:58:19 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Re: mail >>>>>> "D" == DGrossSEA writes: > >D> BTW..saw a photo from my Seattle Honda dealer..the new 96 is the same >D> RED that the ST1100 is....oooooooh....drooooool.... > >Yes, there's a web page with a picture on it. The upper body is red, the >lower is black. No silver this time. I think it looks nice. Do you have the URL of that page? I'd like to see that photo! BTW, is the '96 in the red from the '95 ST1100 or the older ST? ("*RED*" vs. "red") Cheers - Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:17 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC 2 GL and Sound System A Bar Snake or sand might be difficult to use on a PC handlebar because of the threaded things welded into the ends of the bar, put there for the bar-end weights to screw in to. I looked into the RKA tank bag sound system. It's really nice, sounds great, and works well. At $600 for just the beginning system, it ought to sound good! All additions to the system, i.e., CB, intercom, etc just jacks the price up even more. Very, very nice, but too rich for my pocket book! Been working on a project to make my own, but it's still just in the "thinking stages" at this time. Cory From owner-pc800 Tue Jul 18 11:27:49 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 09:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Vibration Hey, thanks Kent! Mine's a wobbler too. I'll give that a try. It may be a bit late for me because I just tolerated it. I figured that it was designed that way to keep my hands on the handle bars. But I'll remember that on my next set of tires. Johan ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Jul 18 you wrote: > > > The interesting part is that taking my hands off the bars is completely out > > of the question because the bike immediately wobbles severely at any speed. > > > > Hmmm- wonder what could be different between our bikes? > > On a new bike: tires. This kind of wobble is often caused by > underinflation. If you run it underinflated too long, the tread > takes a set and you have a permanently wobbly tire. If it hasn't > been this way for long, sometimes you can inflate a bit more than > std running pressure * but less than the max tire pressure * and > the tread will 'recover'. Set pressure back to normal after it > has done so, and maybe monitor tire pressures a bit more often. > > Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:29 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Duck-tail I learned about the cavern of space in the duck-tail when I installed the trunk light kit. Take off the rear seat and the handles, w/ the lid up you'll see some screws inside the trunk lid. (Be careful w/ these, they strip out easily ;-{.) Lots of room in there especially if you use velcro or double-sided foam tape. Cory From owner-pc800 Tue Jul 18 11:39:15 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:37 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Re: Vibration I had a "head shake," too. On my '89 it seems to be mostly related to correct tire pressure and tire wear. I can always tell if the tire air pressure has gone down with just a quick ride. Also have a head shake at deacceleration, below 45 mph, regardless of the condition of hardware. Cory From owner-pc800 Tue Jul 18 11:49:19 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:47 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Tank Bag Hey Juan, If you find a red one, sell me your blue one!!!!!!!! Cory From owner-pc800 Tue Jul 18 16:08:40 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:07:15 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Tank Bag On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, CORY wrote: > Hey Juan, > If you find a red one, sell me your blue one!!!!!!!! > Cory Will do! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:26:16 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail In a message dated 95-07-18 12:08:22 EDT, you write: >>Yes, there's a web page with a picture on it. The upper body is red, the >>lower is black. No silver this time. I think it looks nice. > > >Do you have the URL of that page? I'd like to see that photo! > >BTW, is the '96 in the red from the '95 ST1100 or the older ST? ("*RED*" >vs. "red") > > The '96 is "*RED*" as in '95 ST1100. The brochure picture is available in the pictures area of the PC800 web page. Point your browser at ... http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html. If you look real close at the picture you will see that the bike is indeed red with a black lower section, except for the front fender which in this picture is still shown as red(the same as the rest of the bike) and silver. Why is it like this? Is it really going to be like this or is it a prototype goof? Only time will tell. I do wish they would do a little redesign on the fender and perhaps the windshield to reduce wind noise. But I guess without adequate(read huge) demand, those type of changes would simply cost too much. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 03:22:49 -0400 To: JFMinyard@aol.com Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: mail On Thu, Jul 20, 1995 1:26:16 am at JFMinyard@aol.com wrote: >I do wish they would do a little >redesign on the fender and perhaps the windshield to reduce wind noise. Do you get wind noise from the fender? - puzzled here - ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:09:34 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail I couldn't find the RED '96 PC800 on the WEB page, only the black '95 model. Where is it really? Bob Marks ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:17:53 -0400 From: DGrossSEA@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail and...I have some photos of me and my brother on our Northern Cascade Mountian trip on our PC's...how do I upload them to the PC800 Web Page?? dave ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:24:40 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: mail >The '96 is "*RED*" as in '95 ST1100. The brochure picture is available in >the pictures area of the PC800 web page. Point your browser at ... >http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html. The bike in the picture is a '95 and it is black! It's a dark picture even in the brochure I scanned it from and perhaps it picked up or lost some color in the scanning process but it is definitely a '95. >If you look real close at the picture you will see that the bike is indeed >red with a black lower section, except for the front fender which in this >picture is still shown as red(the same as the rest of the bike) and silver. > Why is it like this? Adjust your monitor! ;-) >Is it really going to be like this or is it a >prototype goof? Only time will tell. I do wish they would do a little >redesign on the fender and perhaps the windshield to reduce wind noise. But >I guess without adequate(read huge) demand, those type of changes would >simply cost too much. > >Jim Minyard > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: Re: mail To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) > > I couldn't find the RED '96 PC800 on the WEB page, only the black '95 model. > Where is it really? > > Bob Marks > I know its not as convenient, but maybe your nearest dealer has them on the floor. I saw it in person at a dealer near me (arlington,virginia). Unfortuately they didn't have any new brochures. matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:31:37 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "D" == DGrossSEA writes: D> and...I have some photos of me and my brother on our Northern Cascade D> Mountian trip on our PC's...how do I upload them to the PC800 Web Page?? Upload them to the FTP site: ftp.hpc.uh.edu (yes, the names changed but the old ones still work). You can put the files in /pub/incoming/pc800. Let me know they're there and I'll move them to the appropriate place. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 15:11:17 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: mail >I saw [a '96 PC-800] in person at a dealer near me (arlington,virginia). Where was that? Coleman PowerSport? I'd like to go see it. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:32 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: mail >> >> I couldn't find the RED '96 PC800 on the WEB page, only the black '95 model. >> Where is it really? >> >> Bob Marks >> > >I know its not as convenient, but maybe your nearest dealer has them on >the floor. I saw it in person at a dealer near me (arlington,virginia). >Unfortuately they didn't have any new brochures. >matthew Yah, right :-( Our "Friendly Neighborhood Honda Dealer" here in Fairbanks has flat-out said that they will order in no PSs w/o a very substantial down-payment. The folks are pretty nice to me, personally, but I've seen and heard of far better dealerships! Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jul 20 15:27:14 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:29:21 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: mail >>>>>> "D" == DGrossSEA writes: > >D> and...I have some photos of me and my brother on our Northern Cascade >D> Mountian trip on our PC's...how do I upload them to the PC800 Web Page?? > >Upload them to the FTP site: ftp.hpc.uh.edu (yes, the names changed but the >old ones still work). You can put the files in /pub/incoming/pc800. Let >me know they're there and I'll move them to the appropriate place. > > - J< > I will grab them once Jason moves them to the appropriate place and add them to the next upgrade of the web page. Thanks for the contribution! I realize that it is perhaps not the most direct route, but hey, you get what you pay for! ;-) Neill T. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: Re: Re[2]: mail To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:21:09 -0400 (EDT) > > > Where was that? Coleman PowerSport? I'd like to go see it. Thanks. > > Michael, it was a red and black '96 PC at Coleman PowerSport in Falls Church, Virginia. Cory, don't feel bad- inventory is the strongest point of this dealer. matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:27:41 -0400 To: thompson@trg.trglink.com Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu, jmike@mail.utexas.edu Subject: Leg warmer ducts? On Mon, Jun 5, 1995 12:25:06 pm at Neill Thompson wrote: >>OK, this *isn't* relevant right now, as we are entering summer, but -- >>thinking ahead.... >> >>Has anyone modified (or seen a mod) for ducting the engine heat discharge >>vents so that the warm air warms one's legs? J.C. Whitney sells a >>(plexiglas?) vent deflector to achieve this purpose for the Wing. I don't >>know if a similar design would be adaptable to the PC/ST. >Someone once suggested this to me and I thought it would be a great idea if >you could open and close a vent just forward of your shins which would >direct/restrict the engine warmth toward/away from the rider. OK, July is *still* too early to work on this, but forethought can pay.... I still think this is a terrific idea. Have you any thoughts about on a supplier for a vent we could add? I've been wondering about the likeliehood of finding a source for a vent prefinished in pearl white :-). Thought I'd post to a newsgroup dedicated to auto-repair or such. Any ideas, anyone? --------------- Remember - to err is human, to moo bovine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:44:02 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail In a message dated 95-07-20 11:35:37 EDT, you write: >>The '96 is "*RED*" as in '95 ST1100. The brochure picture is available in >>the pictures area of the PC800 web page. Point your browser at ... >>http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html. > >The bike in the picture is a '95 and it is black! It's a dark picture even >in the brochure I scanned it from and perhaps it picked up or lost some >color in the scanning process but it is definitely a '95. > >>If you look real close at the picture you will see that the bike is indeed >>red with a black lower section, except for the front fender which in this >>picture is still shown as red(the same as the rest of the bike) and silver. >> Why is it like this? > > >Adjust your monitor! ;-) Ahem, uh(hangdog face, downcast eyes, sheepish looks) sorry guys I guess I goofed. (Totally chagrined)I fired off that reply without adequately rechecking my source. Upon further reflection I believe the picture I saw of the 1996 Honda brochure was at Motorcycle Online. Unfortunately, I have been unable to locate the pictures there or at any other Web site(so far ;-)). I apologise for the bum lead and humbly beg your forgiveness. I need to go ride. Wobbly on the Web Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:48:55 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Speakers for PC800 Would someone please confirm the size of the speakers required for the cut-outs? I think they are 4", but I want to make sure they are not 3 1/2 or 4 1/2. I measured, but I'm not confident. Also, are "waterproof" speakers necessary, or will water resistant speakers or any polypropelene cone models suffice? J&M advertises "waterproof" speakers, but much of their marketing seems like hype for overpriced stuff to me. Finally, do standard round speaker grills fit well? I saw a pair of Advents at the Wiz for a bit more ($89 vs $40 for Pionerr 1033's) that had a nice, compact square appearance. Any advice appreciated, asap. --------------- Remember - to err is human, to moo bovine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: mail Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:29:54 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "J" == JFMinyard writes: J> Upon further reflection I believe the picture I saw of the 1996 Honda J> brochure was at Motorcycle Online. Unfortunately, I have been unable to J> locate the pictures there or at any other Web site(so far ;-)). Never fear. I knew there's a reason I keep around 400MB of Netscape cache on my home workstation! So, you can ftp the infamous picture from ftp.hpc.uh.edu in /pub/pc800/images/new_hondas.jpg. (Yes, ftp.hpc.uh.edu is a new name for the same machine you've been using.) - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 09:44:34 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: Re: No Subject ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/21/95 09:43 ## What model Sony Discman do you have with optional wired remote? How is the performance? ESP really work? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: tibbs@sina.tcamc.uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/07/95 13:20 ## >>>>> "J" == JeffHO writes: J> Aha! Just what I was thinking of doing. In a vague sort of way. Can you J> summarize your approach? Do you have an intercom too? Thanks. Are you speaking of helmet speakers? I picked up a mid-priced pair of Sony headphones that have the signal cord entering on only one side. I cut off the extra plastic and embedded them in the ear pockets. I had to remove some foam but it was no big deal. The result is a really good set of helmet speakers. I ran power into a tank bag which ends in a cigarette lighter plug. My Sony car discman plugs in there and the helmet speakers plug into a receptacle I mounted on the tank bag. The player never skips since it has electronic shock protection. You can get a wired remote for it; the wireless I have is mostly useless on the bike. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: PC800:SPEAKERS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Burach" Would someone please confirm the size of the speakers required for the cut-outs? I think they are 4", but I want to make sure they are not 3 1/2 or 4 1/2. I measured, but I'm not confident. >>>>>I know the cutouts look small - but i have mounted the 4" Pioneer TS-G1033 -they fit perfectly in my '95 fairing - the included hardware also worked well. Also, are "waterproof" speakers necessary, or will water resistant speakers or any polypropelene cone models suffice? J&M advertises "waterproof" >>>>>>>>>> i guess water proof speakers would be best - but i was caught in a couple of thunderstorms - and the speakers didn't sustain damage. Finally, do standard round speaker grills fit well? I saw a pair of Advents at the Wiz for a bit more ($89 vs $40 for Pionerr 1033's) that had a nice, compact square appearance. >>>>>>>>>>>i wasn't able to fit a grill. Instead i used speaker foam which i bought at radio shack. I simply turned the foam around and removed some of the material on the side the speakers would face it. This provided enough support to keep the foam away from the speakers and gave a fairly good appearance. The foam also came with velcro tabs which i used on the back of the plastic removed from the fairing. This provided a good way to cover the speakers, since the plastic is a perfect fit, and the velcro easily attaches(securly) to the foam. If you have no idea waht i am talking about - i can explain it better - let me know. matthew . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: Re: PC800:SPEAKERS To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:00:55 -0400 (EDT) I am having some trouble with my mail - sorry if this is a repeat. matthew > > Would someone please confirm the size of the speakers required for the > cut-outs? I think they are 4", but I want to make sure they are not 3 1/2 > or 4 1/2. I measured, but I'm not confident. > > >>>>>I know the cutouts look small - but i have mounted the 4" Pioneer TS-G1033 > -they fit perfectly in my '95 fairing - the included hardware also worked well. > > > Also, are "waterproof" speakers necessary, or will water resistant speakers > or any polypropelene cone models suffice? J&M advertises "waterproof" > > > >>>>>>>>>> i guess water proof speakers would be best - but i was caught > in a couple of thunderstorms - and the speakers didn't sustain damage. > > > Finally, do standard round speaker grills fit well? I saw a pair > of Advents at the Wiz for a bit more ($89 vs $40 for Pionerr 1033's) that > had a nice, compact square appearance. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>i wasn't able to fit a grill. Instead i used speaker foam > which i bought at radio shack. I simply turned the foam around and removed > some of the material on the side the speakers would face it. This provided > enough support to keep the foam away from the speakers and gave a fairly > good appearance. The foam also came with velcro tabs which i used on > the back of the plastic removed from the fairing. This provided a good > way to cover the speakers, since the plastic is a perfect fit, and the > velcro easily attaches(securly) to the foam. > If you have no idea waht i am talking about - i can explain it better - > let me know. > > matthew . > > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:38:48 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Re: mail > I apologise for the bum lead and humbly beg your forgiveness. I need to go >ride. > >Wobbly on the Web >Jim Minyard Yeah, the weekend is coming up and I'm jonesing bad. Commuting just isn't the same as *riding.* Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 04:32:38 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: To ST from GL? (fwd) Note the comment in par 2 about vibration in the grips. - Jeff --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:26:13 -0500 From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) To: jmike@mail.utexas.edu Subject: To ST from GL? Hello all. I am considering making a switch several months down the road from my GL1500. When my wife got a PC800 earlier this month it set me to wanting something a little more sporty, something that handles better in the curves than the GL1500. I have some issues to resolve before I decide to move from the GL to something else. I like the PC, but I feel a little folded on it and the vibration in the grips from its V-twin leaves my hands suffering after a while. How does the ST compare with the GL on vibration in the grips and pegs? Carrying capacity. While I don't expect to get my size large RF-700 in an ST's bag (or the PC's boot), I would like to be able to carry about as much as I do now with the GL. I ride to work every day and carry a briefcase, a canvas bag of other stuff to have on hand at work and my stuff that I carry in the bike all the time (rain suit, Totes, tire patch kit, spare shield, gloves, etc.). Put simply, has anyone on the list moved from a GL1500 to an ST1100 and how did you fare? Thanks in advance. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Current: 1993 GL1500AP Past: 1978 CB750F, 1982 CB900F, 1982 GL1100, 1971 Norton Commando ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 23 Jul 95 16:31:33 EDT From: Jeff Wagland <75337.1410@compuserve.com> To: All Subject: Buying and selling I took delivery of my '89 PC800 on Friday, and I have to say I'm impressed. It handles a lot better than my old BMW K75 and does everything with such quiet aplomb that you could fall in love with the thing. Whoever designed this bike really knew what they were doing. My only criticisms so far are that it's a bit heavy in town with a passenger, and the spark plugs look pretty much impossible to get at (not that I've really tried yet - I've just had a look). The battery looks a bit small, too. It's only 10AH when I would have expected an engine that size to need 14AH at least. Coincidentally, the battery on mine died two days after I bought it - probably because it's the original unit and the bike has only done 10,400 miles in six years. I'll get it replaced under warranty, but I wondered if anyone has fitted a larger battery, if so, which one ? On another matter, PC800s over here in the UK are really rare, despite the huge interest that any article on the bike generates. The dealers I bought mine from are desperate for second hand models and are perfectly happy to buy them in the US and ship them over. I mentioned this subscription list to them and they asked me if I would post their phone number in case anyone is thinking of selling their bike and would like to help out us deprived Brits. So I hope nobody will be offended if I say that HGB Motorcycles of Ruislip, West London, phone number (UK) 895 676451, would like to hear from you if you have a PC800 to sell. Ride safe. Jeff Wagland ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:29:27 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y.Murphey) Subject: Re: Buying and selling >I took delivery of my '89 PC800 on Friday, and I have to say I'm impressed. It >handles a lot better than my old BMW K75 and does everything with such quiet >aplomb that you could fall in love with the thing. Whoever designed this bike >really knew what they were doing. > >My only criticisms so far are that it's a bit heavy in town with a passenger, >and the spark plugs look pretty much impossible to get at (not that I've really >tried yet - I've just had a look). > >The battery looks a bit small, too. It's only 10AH when I would have expected >an >engine that size to need 14AH at least. Coincidentally, the battery on mine >died >two days after I bought it - probably because it's the original unit and the >bike has only done 10,400 miles in six years. I'll get it replaced under >warranty, but I wondered if anyone has fitted a larger battery, if so, which >one >? > >On another matter, PC800s over here in the UK are really rare, despite the huge >interest that any article on the bike generates. The dealers I bought mine from >are desperate for second hand models and are perfectly happy to buy them in the >US and ship them over. > >I mentioned this subscription list to them and they asked me if I would post >their phone number in case anyone is thinking of selling their bike and would >like to help out us deprived Brits. So I hope nobody will be offended if I say >that HGB Motorcycles of Ruislip, West London, phone number (UK) 895 676451, >would like to hear from you if you have a PC800 to sell. > >Ride safe. > >Jeff Wagland jes I thought PC800 came with standard 12 volts of battery I have a 93 PC800 with 4000 miles that I must give up to take a job in South America interested send me some e-mail... perfect condition and garaged ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E.Y. Murphey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor email: EYonline@aol.com voice: 610-259-9861 (h) 610-853-5900 x3978 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 08:24:53 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Buying and selling >>The battery looks a bit small, too. It's only 10AH when I would have expected >>an engine that size to need 14AH at least. >jes I thought PC800 came with standard 12 volts of battery It does. He's talking about current capacity, measured in AMP-HOURS. A 10 amp-hour battery can deliver 10 amps of current for one hour, or 1 amp of current for 10 hours, or any other combination who's product is 10. The bigger the amp-hour rating, the higher the capacity of the battery. "Gee, thanks Mister Wizard" Mike White '89 Pacific Coast Font of endless useless knowledge. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:00:12 -0300 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re[2]: Buying and selling Someone wrote: >>>The battery looks a bit small, too. It's only 10AH when I would have expected >>>an engine that size to need 14AH at least. Mine, with a six year old battery, happily started last winter in -10~C. But it always starts right away; if it was hard to start or you were having problems -- say, out of gas -- and had to crank it for many minutes, who knows. In other news: I'm gearing up for our Vermont-New Hampster trip next week, should be a couple thousand kilometers. I'd like to put the new muffler on but after looking at the muffler clamps I decided I don't want to take it off without new ones on hand, and it's gonna take a couple days to get them. The old one's not that loud yet anyway, just a little throaty. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:29:03 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Buying and selling >In other news: I'm gearing up for our Vermont-New Hampster trip next week, >should be a couple thousand kilometers. > >-- >Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca >Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada > > Years ago, I did a bicycle trip that was a 9 day loop tour of Vermont and N.H. (let's leave the Hampsters out of it, OK!) I remember doing alot of Rt. 100 running south to north in Vermont then cutting east, crossing the river near St. Johnsbury(?) and heading to Franconia Notch where the Old Man of the Mountains is and the Flume. I didn't attempt Mt. Washington on that trip but on the PC it would probably be quite different than on a bicycle. Beautiful country at the time (15 years ago). It seemed somewhat frozen in time with it's small towns, village greens, and quaint shops. Hope you have a nice ride and provide us with a trip report afterward. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Harrison Spain - (714) 952-6114" Subject: Helmet speaker solution To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu After several iterations I think I have my helmet speaker problem solved! :-) Failure #1: I first tried the velcro pads (supplied with the intercom version of the Chatterbox). The velcro pads gummed up the fabric of the helmet (yuck!) and my ears were always pulling off the foam cups that cover the plastic speakers! Luckily, I would always notice them falling out :-). Failure #2: I then tried sliding the speakers in between the shell and the foam (no carving of the foam). Unfortunately, the speaker volume is adjusted such that they must assume you have them right next to your ear. My radio on full blast could not be heard very well and the passenger was definately too soft to hear. Success! Right above the strap on the inside of the helmet (I have an RF700) is an indentation that is just about the right size for a speaker. I made a cut in the fabric right above the strap and slid the speaker in between the faric and the foam. I then sewed up the fabric. I thought this would be tough since the fabric appears to be easily torn but the fabric is real tough and the stiches go in very strong. Sounds great and no problem with foam covers droppin' out of the helmet! Harrison Spain ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Re: Helmet speaker solution To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:38:00 -0500 (CDT) > > After several iterations I think I have my helmet speaker problem solved! :-) > > Success! Right above the strap on the inside of the helmet (I have an RF700) > is an indentation that is just about the right size for a speaker. I made a > cut in the fabric right above the strap and slid the speaker in between the > faric and the foam. I then sewed up the fabric. I thought this would be tough > since the fabric appears to be easily torn but the fabric is real tough and the > stiches go in very strong. > > Sounds great and no problem with foam covers droppin' out of the helmet! Did it appear to affect your comfort any? What are the dimensions of these speakers? I'm getting interested again. . . . Ruby and I both have RF-700 helmets, but haven't removed any components yet. Did you have to remove the front inside piece to perform the surgery? -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:31:31 -0800 To: pc800@hpc.uh.edu From: korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel) Subject: PC800 - comfort Hi PC Coasters (or whatever name we decided to call ourselves)! I want to share two improvements to riding comfort from my 700 miles trip over the past weekend. I rode from San Francisco to Los Angeles and back. Temperature about 88-94 degrees. Last summer I remember that on trips over 2-3 hours in 90-100 degree weather my but got uncomfortably hot. I had to stand up a little to cool off. I bought (from the Whitey or Whithney catalog - cars/motorcycle - I guess everybody gets it thru the junk mail) - a pad made for motorcycle - wooden balls (about 1/2 inch dia) wowen into a pad. Secured to the seat with bungee cords. Worked like a charm. On this trip I also used for the first time bicycle gloves with gell in the palms of the gloves. The vibration is cancelled to a large degree. I have cruise control on my 92 PC, and frankly cannot imagine to ride long distances without it, but in the hills or trafic (L.A,) the cruise control is not really usable. The padded palms of the bicycle gloves are not transferring vibrations, and yet they are not hot. I know these are not great discoveries, but I thought I may share it with you, and hopefully, to help someone. George George Korbel Lawrence Livermore National Labs. (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 24 Jul 95 17:17:58 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 17:10:08 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) Old Note: Hello all. I am considering making a switch several months down the road from my GL1500. When my wife got a PC800 earlier this month it set me to wanting something a little more sporty, something that handles better in the curves than the GL1500. I have some issues to resolve before I decide to move from the GL to something else. I like the PC, but I feel a little folded on it and the vibration in the grips from its V-twin leaves my hands suffering after a while. How does the ST compare with the GL on vibration in the grips and pegs? Carrying capacity. While I don't expect to get my size large RF-700 in an ST's bag (or the PC's boot), I would like to be able to carry about as much as I do now with the GL. I ride to work every day and carry a briefcase, a canvas bag of other stuff to have on hand at work and my stuff that I carry in the bike all the time (rain suit, Totes, tire patch kit, spare shield, gloves, etc.). Put simply, has anyone on the list moved from a GL1500 to an ST1100 and how did you fare? Thanks in advance. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Current: 1993 GL1500AP Past: 1978 CB750F, 1982 CB900F, 1982 GL1100, 1971 Norton Commando I have never had a vibration problem of any kind (other than the aforementioned wobble at certain speeds) and I'm amazed to hear others have had some bad experiences. My '89 PC800 is a smooth as butter, and my Shoei 200 helmet fits fine (XL) in the PC trunk, as did my former Fulmer XL helmet. I would not trade my PC for ANYTHING (except another PC800)! Good luck in your search. stevea@sc.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Mon, 24 Jul 95 17:18:02 EDT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 17:12:13 EST From: stevea@uscsumter.uscsu.scarolina.edu To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buying and selling I took delivery of my '89 PC800 on Friday, and I have to say I'm impressed. It handles a lot better than my old BMW K75 and does everything with such quiet aplomb that you could fall in love with the thing. Whoever designed this bike really knew what they were doing. My only criticisms so far are that it's a bit heavy in town with a passenger, and the spark plugs look pretty much impossible to get at (not that I've really tried yet - I've just had a look). The battery looks a bit small, too. It's only 10AH when I would have expected an engine that size to need 14AH at least. Coincidentally, the battery on mine died two days after I bought it - probably because it's the original unit and the bike has only done 10,400 miles in six years. I'll get it replaced under warranty, but I wondered if anyone has fitted a larger battery, if so, which one ? On another matter, PC800s over here in the UK are really rare, despite the huge interest that any article on the bike generates. The dealers I bought mine from are desperate for second hand models and are perfectly happy to buy them in the US and ship them over. I mentioned this subscription list to them and they asked me if I would post their phone number in case anyone is thinking of selling their bike and would like to help out us deprived Brits. So I hope nobody will be offended if I say that HGB Motorcycles of Ruislip, West London, phone number (UK) 895 676451, would like to hear from you if you have a PC800 to sell. Ride safe. Jeff Wagland Congrats on the new bike Consider a larger wind shield if you want more wind/noise protection. I also am short and found a Corbin seat which allows the bike to be effectively 1-2" shorter than the original seat. I've heard bad things on the battery but have the original still running fine. Watch for cupping front tires caused by improper tire pressure... which also increases the wobble problem. stevea@sc.edu ('89 PC900 bought in 1992... wouldn't have any other bike!) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: PC800 - comfort (from korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel)) (at Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:31:31 -0800) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 16:18:16 CST Hi George (George Korbel), in <9507242107.AA25190@maverick.llnl.gov> on Jul 24 you wrote: > guess everybody gets it thru the junk mail) - a pad made for motorcycle - > wooden balls (about 1/2 inch dia) wowen into a pad. Secured to the seat > with bungee cords. Worked like a charm. Underwear made for bicycles (with no seams in the important places) does absolute wonders for long trips also. I can go from a few hours with normal pants/underwear to 3 consecutive 800+ mile days (haven't tried any more than that) just by replacing the underwear. > On this trip I also used for the first time bicycle gloves with gell in the > palms of the gloves. The vibration is cancelled to a large degree. I have Agreed. One other reason I use gel bicucle gloves is because my palms are very large and I can't grip most of the tiny handlebar grips out there. > cruise control on my 92 PC, and frankly cannot imagine to ride long > distances without it, but in the hills or trafic (L.A,) the cruise control > is not really usable. It is easy with the Wrist Rest throttle lock. The only one I've seen that allows you to operate the throttle like normal, yet retains the throttle position when you let go. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 16:18:14 PDT Subject: RE: Buying and selling <> The actual spark plugs are kind of tough to remove if you don't have the stock toolkit that comes with the PC. The wrench needs to have an elbow on it to bend around some corners. Access to the plugs isn't bad. You get to them through the heat vents on the side and by removing the long side panel just below the seat. One screw on each side the rest you just gently pull apart. I'll pass your dealers phone number to my local dealer. He tends to get a used PC in a couple times a year. An overseas sale surely would be welcome. Thanks. -bryceu, '89 PC800 "Pearl" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 16:12:10 PDT Subject: RE: Speakers for PC800 Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com The front dash area on the PC is rather easy to remove. If you look just below the speaker cutouts, there's a 3" wide by 3/4" tall plastic strip. Same black plastic color so it blends with the dasy panel. Use the tip of a screwdriver to pry these off on both sides and you'll expose two screws that hold the dash panel on. Remove the screws and carefully remove the panel. Note that there are some plastic tabs along the top edge above the speedometer. Removal of this panel will give you complete access to the speaker mounting holes and you can measure the cutouts. -brycue ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" To: Cc: Subject: Speakers for PC800 Date: Friday, July 21, 1995 1:48AM Would someone please confirm the size of the speakers required for the cut-outs? I think they are 4", but I want to make sure they are not 3 1/2 or 4 1/2. I measured, but I'm not confident. Also, are "waterproof" speakers necessary, or will water resistant speakers or any polypropelene cone models suffice? J&M advertises "waterproof" speakers, but much of their marketing seems like hype for overpriced stuff to me. Finally, do standard round speaker grills fit well? I saw a pair of Advents at the Wiz for a bit more ($89 vs $40 for Pionerr 1033's) that had a nice, compact square appearance. Any advice appreciated, asap. --------------- Remember - to err is human, to moo bovine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: Buying and selling (from Bryce Ulrich ) (at Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:18:14 -0700 (PDT)) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 17:45:40 CST Hi Bryce (Bryce Ulrich), in <9507242303.AA29643@netmail2.microsoft.com> on Jul 24 you wrote: > The actual spark plugs are kind of tough to remove if you don't have > the stock toolkit that comes with the PC. The wrench needs to have an > elbow on it to bend around some corners. Access to the plugs isn't I just use the 12mm (I think) open-end wrench with the spark plug tool that come in the kit. I shoot a tiny bit of LPS-1 into the socket to loosen things up. After a couple of initial turns, I can remove the wrench and spin the tool by hand to remove the plugs. For me, it works faster than anything else. A box-end wrench might actually be easier, but I don't have a box-end 12mm. I thought a socket would be better, but it has access problems on a couple of plugs if I remember correctly. There was some kind of problem using a socket... :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:32:44 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Buying and selling > I just use the 12mm (I think) open-end wrench with the spark plug > tool that come in the kit. I shoot a tiny bit of LPS-1 into the > socket to loosen things up. After a couple of initial turns, I can > remove the wrench and spin the tool by hand to remove the plugs. > For me, it works faster than anything else. A box-end wrench might > actually be easier, but I don't have a box-end 12mm. I thought a > socket would be better, but it has access problems on a couple of > plugs if I remember correctly. There was some kind of problem > using a socket... :^) It is alwas helpfull to blow out any debris that might have accumulated in the plug cavity (I know that with the PC this possibility is remote, but why risk some gravel falling into the combustion chamber). If you don't have an air compressor (highly recommended) you can use a 1-2 foot length of 1/4-5/16 vinyl tubing and a strong set of lungs. Also, while removing the plugs once, I dropped one of the plugs between the engine and the shell. I used a telescopic/swivel magnet to retrieve it. Worked like a charm! Survey questions: In what order do you wash your bike (i.e. seat first, etc...)? What do you use to wash it? (mit, rag, dish soap, etc...)? " " " " " dry it? Thanks! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 02:08:59 -0400 To: Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Buying and selling (and cleaning) On Mon, Jul 24, 1995 3:32:44 pm at Juan Goula wrote: >Survey questions: >In what order do you wash your bike (i.e. seat first, etc...)? Start at ends, work toward middle. >What do you use to wash it? (mit, rag, dish soap, etc...)? > " " " " " dry it? S100 cleaner on anything that looks dirty. Windex or plastic cleaner on shield and parts that require elbow grease. Not much drying needed. Once over with a synthetic chamois. -Jeff (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:37:15 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:37:15 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) >I like the PC, but I feel a little folded on it and the vibration in the >grips from its V-twin leaves my hands suffering after a while. >Carrying capacity. While I don't expect to get my size large RF-700 in an >ST's bag (or the PC's boot), I would like to be able to carry about as much > I get A MEDIUM RF700, rainsuit, toolkit, Lands' End briefcase (soft), my suit jacket, and a pair of shoes into the trunk. Not as big as a Wing, but not half darn bad. Steve ('90) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 09:24:57 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Alarm for a PC800? There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one night last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any experience or recommendations? Thanks. Mike, '89 PC-800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:03:17 -0400 From: DGrossSEA@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: cleaning) I have someone else do it ; >) usually just a little rag and some Ivory Liquid soap suds.. then...the infamous HONDA SPRAY...Best stuff in a can that was ever made for cleaning a motorcycle and all associated parts therein. From Chrome to plastic to windshields to helmets...Honda Spray...a little miracle in a can...yup dave gross ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:03:57 -0400 To: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Alarm for a PC800? On Tue, Jul 25, 1995 9:24:57 am at Michael J White wrote: >There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one night >last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any >experience or recommendations? Thanks. A few weeks ago, I bought a "no-name" $40 remote car alarm with optional $30 radar sensor from JC Whitney. DAMARK has the same item, at the same price. It has a fair number of bells and whistles that IMHO are supuflous for a bike alarm, e.g. voltage sensor, ignition cut-off etc. Basically I wanted the radar sensor, to protect the trunk, and a shock (tilt) alarm. Surprise -- it works! The unit is all-in-one, except for the radar proximity sensor, and appears pretty sturdy. It comes with two keyring remote beepers, batteries included. I mounted the CPU/siren within/behind the right front crashbar, accessed through the pull-out air duct. I mounted the unit with two hose strap-clamps from the hardware store. Wiring was easy -- I dirregarded most of the gee-gaw wires (save those for some *spare* time) and wired straight to the battery. Installed the (adjustable) radar proximity detector in one of the grooves/channels adjacent and parallel to the hydraulic strut that holds the trunk open - a perfict fit. I ran the flashing LED so it peeks out onto the dashboard, coming from under the shield. Looks ok, pretty inconspicuous, except when flashing. The unit arms remotely, beeps once when armed, three times when disarmed. The flasher does seem to have some deterrent value. I feel like I saved $100 off a name alarm. The only thing I wish I had was for the proximity detector to give off a warning yelp before triggering. (It does have a warning light, but since it's hidden, its mainlt for calibration.) Anyway the siren is quite loud. It goes off for 1 minute, and then resets. I will post the catalog #'s when I locate them. Feel free to ask any questions. ps Michael: I located and installed a Cobb vanity mirror in the trunk, as you suggested. Looks 100% stock. Thanks! - Jeff --------------- Remember - to err is human, to moo bovine! (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:08:30 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:08:30 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Alarm for a PC800? >There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one night >last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any >experience or recommendations? Thanks. > >Mike, '89 PC-800 > No practical experience, but the cops I know say an alarm just annoys 'em while they're tossing your bike into a van. When was the last time you paid attention to an alarm? Best bet is to get a big damn lock and a solid object to lock it to. My solution is to have a bunch of insurance and no deductible. It's expensive, but hey, I can always buy another bike. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:11:11 -0400 To: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Alarm for a PC800? On Tue, Jul 25, 1995 9:24:57 am at Michael J White wrote: >There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one night >last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any >experience or recommendations? Thanks. A few weeks ago, I bought a "no-name" $40 remote car alarm with optional $30 radar sensor from JC Whitney. DAMARK has the same item, at the same price. It has a fair number of bells and whistles that IMHO are supuflous for a bike alarm, e.g. voltage sensor, ignition cut-off etc. Basically I wanted the radar sensor, to protect the trunk, and a shock (tilt) alarm. Surprise -- it works! The unit is all-in-one, except for the radar proximity sensor, and appears pretty sturdy. It comes with two keyring remote beepers, batteries included. I mounted the CPU/siren within/behind the right front crashbar, accessed through the pull-out air duct. I mounted the unit with two hose strap-clamps from the hardware store. Wiring was easy -- I dirregarded most of the gee-gaw wires (save those for some *spare* time) and wired straight to the battery. Installed the (adjustable) radar proximity detector in one of the grooves/channels adjacent and parallel to the hydraulic strut that holds the trunk open - a perfict fit. I ran the flashing LED so it peeks out onto the dashboard, coming from under the shield. Looks ok, pretty inconspicuous, except when flashing. The unit arms remotely, beeps once when armed, three times when disarmed. The flasher does seem to have some deterrent value. I feel like I saved $100 off a name alarm. The only thing I wish I had was for the proximity detector to give off a warning yelp before triggering. (It does have a warning light, but since it's hidden, its mainlt for calibration.) Anyway the siren is quite loud. It goes off for 1 minute, and then resets. I will post the catalog #'s when I locate them. Feel free to ask any questions. ps Michael: I located and installed a Cobb vanity mirror in the trunk, as you suggested. Looks 100% stock. Thanks! - Jeff --------------- Remember - to err is human, to moo bovine! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:36:17 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Alarm for a PC800? >There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one >night >last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any >experience or recommendations? Thanks. > >Mike, '89 PC-800 park it in your living quarters alarms only keep off honest folk or people ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:41:01 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Alarm for a PC800? On Tue, Jul 25, 1995 8:08:30 am at Steve Gross wrote: >>There's been a string of motorcycle thefts in my area, including 4 in one >night >>last week. I'm seriously thinking about an alarm for my Pacific Coast. Any >>experience or recommendations? Thanks. >> >>Mike, '89 PC-800 >> >No practical experience, but the cops I know say an alarm just annoys 'em >while they're tossing your bike into a van. When was the last time you paid >attention to an alarm? > >Best bet is to get a big damn lock and a solid object to lock it to. My >solution is to have a bunch of insurance and no deductible. It's expensive, >but hey, I can always buy another bike. I agree, even after my alarm installation success I just described. The alarm is intended to protect the trunk contects in parking lots, and to deter street people and teenagers from vandalism. It won't help at all against a serious thief. [If you want to go big bucks ($600) consider a Lojack :-) ] The alarm is no substitute for a good (ie. *not* Kryptonite) lock. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 11:48:43 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Alarm for a PC800? >A few weeks ago, I bought a "no-name" $40 remote car alarm with optional >$30 radar sensor from JC Whitney. Please do post the model numbers; sounds like what I'm looking for. One question: why did you put the radar detector in the trunk? Why not out where it would yell at anyone who got real close? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:59:14 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Bait? I watched this message go by yesterday. >jes I thought PC800 came with standard 12 volts of battery >I have a 93 PC800 with 4000 miles that I must give up to take a job in >South America >interested >send me some e-mail... perfect condition and garaged > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >E.Y. Murphey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor >email: EYonline@aol.com >voice: 610-259-9861 (h) > 610-853-5900 x3978 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And then later that day. >On this trip I also used for the first time bicycle gloves with gell in the >palms of the gloves. The vibration is cancelled to a large degree. I have >cruise control on my 92 PC, and frankly cannot imagine to ride long >distances without it, but in the hills or trafic (L.A,) the cruise control >is not really usable. The padded palms of the bicycle gloves are not >transferring vibrations, and yet they are not hot. A '92 and a '93 PC? Come on guys, lets leave this flame bait to the rec.moto crowd. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:05:01 -0400 To: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Alarm for a PC800? On Tue, Jul 25, 1995 11:48:43 am at Michael J White wrote: >>A few weeks ago, I bought a "no-name" $40 remote car alarm with optional >>$30 radar sensor from JC Whitney. > >Please do post the model numbers; sounds like what I'm looking for. One >question: why did you put the radar detector in the trunk? Why not out where it >would yell at anyone who got real close? I park the bike on the street in Manhattan when I doing errands, and I need to minimize false alarms from innocent bystanders. The sensitivity is adjustable over a pretty wide range. It can be set to go off if someone is standing near the PC, even with the sensor in the trunk. The sensor is intended for a car interior. The plastic is relatively transparent to the radar signal. I will get the #'s for you. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 25 Jul 1995 09:41:02 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- Bait? To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu RE>PC800: Bait? 7/25/95 Actually Neill is right, I do not have 92 PC800. My is 1990 model was first SOLD in1992. I bought it in 1994 with 3.3K miles on it. I now have 16K very happy miles on it. Thanks for the correction. George -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 7/25/95 9:28 AM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu I watched this message go by yesterday. >jes I thought PC800 came with standard 12 volts of battery >I have a 93 PC800 with 4000 miles that I must give up to take a job in >South America >interested >send me some e-mail... perfect condition and garaged > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >E.Y. Murphey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >the frogman knows how to use his tongue...maybe a metaphor >email: EYonline@aol.com >voice: 610-259-9861 (h) > 610-853-5900 x3978 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And then later that day. >On this trip I also used for the first time bicycle gloves with gell in the >palms of the gloves. The vibration is cancelled to a large degree. I have >cruise control on my 92 PC, and frankly cannot imagine to ride long >distances without it, but in the hills or trafic (L.A,) the cruise control >is not really usable. The padded palms of the bicycle gloves are not >transferring vibrations, and yet they are not hot. A '92 and a '93 PC? Come on guys, lets leave this flame bait to the rec.moto crowd. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 25 Jul 1995 10:57:23 -0500 (CDT) 25 Jul 1995 10:57:10 +0600 25 Jul 1995 10:57:06 +0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:59:14 -0600 From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Bait? To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 12:35:21 PDT Subject: RE: Buying and selling <> Clean the wheel rims with S100 first. After that, front fender and work towards the rear. <> Most of the time I use the Saeng wax/cleaner spray instead of soap and water. It's faster I can do it in the evening in the garage. Once I've cleaned the bike with the spray, I use a cotton terry towel to buff the wax and get a good shine. Soap and water gets used when i really wanna clean the undercarriage and radiator grill. << " " " " " dry it?>> Super Shammy towel and I buff with a clean cotton terry towel. -bryceu, '89 PC800 "Pearl" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:56:35 -0600 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Cleaning >In what order do you wash your bike (i.e. seat first, etc...)? > >What do you use to wash it? (mit, rag, dish soap, etc...)? > > " " " " " dry it? > >Thanks! > >Juan > I start with a clean sponge and a bucket of water with carwash soap. Reasoning that I don't want to transfer grit and grime from other parts of the bike to the windshield where it could scratch, I start on the front side of the windsheild. Then I work down to the front fairing going as far back as the vent ducts on either side and then do the front wheel fender. I then start on the 'tank' and seats reasoning that I should work the body of the bike from top down. Once the top is done, I start on one side from where I left off at the vent ducts and work around the tail and back up the other side to the opposite vent duct. The point of the sponge bath is to get any abrasive dirt, dust, and gravel off the body so I can really clean it without grinding the road crud into the finish. Next, I use the SAENG-TA Can-do spray cleaner/polish. Using a clean rag, I again start on the front side of the windshield and follow the same pattern except when I go to the top of the body, I start on the inside of the windsheild and work back to the seats. I don't bother to sponge the inside of the windsheild, dash, handlebars, mirrors or the other textured surfaces around the fairing pocket, I just wipe 'em clean with the spray. Then I resume the pattern working the sides. I do the wheels last and I just give them a quick wipe with the sponge, soap, and water. Not much of the wheels show and they are pretty hard to clean so I don't sweat them. No drying involved! This sounds pretty anal-retentive doesn't it? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:31 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: cleaning How do I clean thee......let me count the ways! After licking the bugs off the front, I............ Seriously, I start w/ the front, the most dirty/buggy area and work back one side and the top, then to the front and back down the other side. Do the back last and then the wheels. Like one other msg I just saw on here, I, too, don't spend much time on the wheels. I use to use the Honda spray cleaner and then switched to SAENG's Can-Do. The stuff is FANTASTIC! HOWEVER, I can't get them to ship it to me here in Alaska because it's in a spray can. ;'{ (Must be shipped by air!) Don't they realize that even some of the flight crew have shave cream and such things in their luggage? DUMB. Ran out of Can-Do, so I currently use some Amway wondow cleaner crap that was in the garage when I bought the house. When I run out of that I'll probably go back to the Honda stuff. Dry? Not usually. On other bikes I used S100 and will probably go back to that on the old Ascot. Cory From owner-pc800 Tue Jul 25 17:22:01 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Buying and selling I wash from top down, just like I wash the car. That way I keep dirt moving downward instead of tracking it back up via dirty rag/water. If the windows aren't too dirty, I just use mild soap and water and dry with a clean rag. But if it's a bug graveyard, I spray some Simple Green (the concentrated stuff) first, let it sit a little (not in the sun of course), then wash off with water. I also use the green stuff on the lower cowls(sp?) where it attracts dirt and road tar. If the body is slightly dirty, a damp rag will do. Otherwise, I bring out a bucket of water/laundry detergent solution. I don't use the grainy stuff because I'm afraid it'll scratch up the paint. I just use the liquid form of any popular detergent. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Juan Goula wrote: > > Survey questions: > > In what order do you wash your bike (i.e. seat first, etc...)? > > What do you use to wash it? (mit, rag, dish soap, etc...)? > > " " " " " dry it? > > > Thanks! > > Juan > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 19:53:40 -0400 From: GSMcQueen@aol.com To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: leaving list Good-bye to all of the folks on this list. I have learned much from many of you. I sold my PC800 in May and now have a used ST. Plan to put many happy miles on it as on the PC. If anyone is in Colorado 8/19 and wants to put down 1000 miles in a day contact me and I'll get you in touch with the "Chapter C Freewheelers" who with Lakewood Honda put on a 1000 in 24hr. ride. It was a blast last year on the PC now I'll get it on the ST. I had a good trip through the Alps with Edelweiss in June on a R1100RS and think next time I should take the ST. I did see MANY blue PC800's in Paris. I took many pictures of them and their back rests that seem much better than whats available here in the states. If you are interested in them have someone contact me at my mail address and I will see about getting them onto the web server. Theres just too much mail being on this list and the ST list. See you all on the WEB and keep the plastic side up or at least horizontal Kent! ;-) Greg McQueen gsmcqueen@aol.com 303-674-5168 HSTA-5685SU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:08:20 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Buying and selling On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Johan Lai wrote: > If the windows aren't too dirty, I just use mild soap and water and dry > with a clean rag. Windows? WOW! Now *there's* an accessory I'd like to hear about! ;-) > But if it's a bug graveyard, I spray some Simple Green ... Finally! I thought we were the only ones with bugs! Up here we can't go to the corner with out having a bug or two trying to kamikaze the bikes. And if they are not trying to run you off the road, they try to eat you! Thanks for all the responses to my questions. I'll send my method to the list as soon as I get a chance. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:21:05 -0400 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: leaving list On Tue, Jul 25, 1995 7:53:40 pm at GSMcQueen@aol.com wrote: >Good-bye to all of the folks on this list. I have learned much from many of >you. I sold my PC800 in May and now have a used ST. If you don't mind, what was the price differential. I'm (somewhat) considering the same switch. >It was a blast last year on the PC now I'll get it on the ST. I had a good >trip through the Alps with Edelweiss in June on a R1100RS and think next time >I should take the ST. What's the poop on Edelweiss. An interesting idea they have, but also pricey. >I did see MANY blue PC800's in Paris. I took many pictures of them and their >back rests that seem much better than whats available here in the states. If >you are interested in them have someone contact me at my mail address and I >will see about getting them onto the web server. I'm interested. - Jeff (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:58:21 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:58:21 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: RE: Buying and selling >> In what order do you wash your bike (i.e. seat first, etc...)? >> >> What do you use to wash it? (mit, rag, dish soap, etc...)? >> >> " " " " " dry it? Wash it? You're s'posed to wash it????? Wow! (dishwahing soap & HondaSpray, a cotton towel to dry....) 26 Jul 1995 17:23:47 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:21:38 -0800 From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Helmet speaker solution To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Did it appear to affect your comfort any? What are the dimensions of these >>speakers? I'm getting interested again. . . . I don't even notice they are there :-). Except for the cable coming out of the helmet you would not know they are installed. I also tucked the microphone into the flap covering the lower lip of the front (after removing the velcro and square piece of plastic). The speaker/microphone harness is from Chatterbox. The speaker is about 1 1/2 inches in diameter and about 1/4 inch thick. >Ruby and I both have RF-700 helmets, but haven't removed any components >yet. >Did you have to remove the front inside piece to perform the >surgery? I pulled the side pieces lose when I put the speakers between the shell and the foam but to insert them under the fabric does *not* require you to move the foam at all :-). I plan to replace the speaker/microphone combination (with the cheesy audio jack) with a new harness that has a DIN(?) connector. I figure all I'll have to do is cut the thread sewing up the slits, remove the speakers, put in the new harness, and sew it all back up (yes, my wife thinks I'm nuts but I'm tired of twirling the connector!) :-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | 26 Jul 1995 17:26:27 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:24:19 -0800 From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu >Carrying capacity. While I don't expect to get my size large RF-700 in an >ST's bag (or the PC's boot), I would like to be able to carry about as much My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Michael S Keller Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:42:28 -0500 (CDT) > > >Carrying capacity. While I don't expect to get my size large RF-700 in an > >ST's bag (or the PC's boot), I would like to be able to carry about as much > > My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-). OK, how do you have it positioned? Which side and orientation? Ruby has consented to let me ride her PC to work tomorrow. I'll have to jack the suspension preload up to 3 or 4. . . . -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:20:06 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:20:06 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) > >> My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-). > >OK, how do you have it positioned? Which side and orientation? Ruby has >consented to let me ride her PC to work tomorrow. I'll have to jack the >suspension preload up to 3 or 4. . . . > >-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] Michael, I have a medium that fits in either side; an XXL will probably do better with the top side down. WARNING!!! Put some kind of cloth over the bottom of the trunk or around your helmet -- the screws in the trunk scratched my helmet up pretty badly 'til I figured it out. Have Fun! Steve ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: for sale:extra large PC windsheild To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 0:00:04 WST > > For sale: Stock Hondaline PC800 extra coverage windshield. This windshield > is wider and taller than stock,...... > and I,ll give it away for $100cnd. I am in Vancouver ,British Columbia. Hi Don! I wonder whether your Windshield still available, I just sold my CBX650C and got a '90 PC800. If so, you just send it to Richmond BC and I'll ask someone to bring it to HK for me. -- ***************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * PCA420 <-- Royal HK Gold Wing Aspencade * * Aux. Police '83 HONDA CBX650 <-- Good! * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * Police Training School taught : YAMAHA 650 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, your YAMAHA 250 <-- Police bike * * obedient servant! " '89 MITSUBISHI <-- For fun & * * L300 4WD for sale! * ***************************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 20:41:43 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) >> >>> My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-). >> >>OK, how do you have it positioned? Which side and orientation? Ruby has >>consented to let me ride her PC to work tomorrow. I'll have to jack the >>suspension preload up to 3 or 4. . . . >> >>-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] > >Michael, I have a medium that fits in either side; an XXL will probably do >better with the top side down. WARNING!!! Put some kind of cloth over the >bottom of the trunk or around your helmet -- the screws in the trunk >scratched my helmet up pretty badly 'til I figured it out. Have Fun! Ruby let me take the PC all day today. It's too buzzy for my hands and feet and while my back position feels good, my legs are too high and my back starts to hurt after a while. Four hours of both around town and highway riding (about 120 miles total) left me feeling tired, buzzed and achy. My GL1500 doesn't do that. That leaves trying an ST (which I have yet even to test ride) or trying to beef the suspension on the GL. Oh, but the PC was nice in the twisties. So responsive. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Current: 1993 GL1500AP Past: 1978 CB750F, 1982 CB900F, 1982 GL1100, 1971 Norton Commando ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 09:09:50 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, (Michael_S._Keller)_mskeller@ionet.net Subject: Reply to: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 07/29/95 09:08 ## How can you tell if a GL is runnung? Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Michael S. Keller) mskeller@ionet.net:dg-smtp Date: ## 07/28/95 20:41 ## >> >>> My XXL RF-700 fits perfectly :-). >> >>OK, how do you have it positioned? Which side and orientation? Ruby has >>consented to let me ride her PC to work tomorrow. I'll have to jack the >>suspension preload up to 3 or 4. . . . >> >>-Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] > >Michael, I have a medium that fits in either side; an XXL will probably do >better with the top side down. WARNING!!! Put some kind of cloth over the >bottom of the trunk or around your helmet -- the screws in the trunk >scratched my helmet up pretty badly 'til I figured it out. Have Fun! Ruby let me take the PC all day today. It's too buzzy for my hands and feet and while my back position feels good, my legs are too high and my back starts to hurt after a while. Four hours of both around town and highway riding (about 120 miles total) left me feeling tired, buzzed and achy. My GL1500 doesn't do that. That leaves trying an ST (which I have yet even to test ride) or trying to beef the suspension on the GL. Oh, but the PC was nice in the twisties. So responsive. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Current: 1993 GL1500AP Past: 1978 CB750F, 1982 CB900F, 1982 GL1100, 1971 Norton Commando (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 10:51:37 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 10:51:37 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) >Oh, but the PC was nice in the twisties. So responsive. > Ah, that's the difference. The response and versatility..... I've done 500 mile days without getting too tired, but the best use is town/country touring. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:57:24 -0500 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: mskeller@ionet.net (Michael S. Keller) Subject: Re: Reply to: Re: To ST from GL? (fwd) >From: Roger Prince:DGC >Date: ## 07/29/95 09:08 ## >How can you tell if a GL is runnung? You can tell it is running by looking at the tachometer. And by whether the throttle makes the bike fall over because you forgot to remove the Kryptonite lock. -Michael AB5EL [TeamOS/2] mskeller@ionet.net Current: 1993 GL1500AP Past: 1978 CB750F, 1982 CB900F, 1982 GL1100, 1971 Norton Commando ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 10:26:55 UT From: Richard Foreman To: 'PC800 Mailing List' Subject: New Pacific Coast Owner Hi All, First of all, I hope I sent this off correctly. I bought a new 95 PC800 last week and I love it! I only have been able to put a hundred and ten miles on it so far. I live in south Florida and it has rained everyday since I have had it. I have only been able to ride a few minutes at a time between breaks in the clouds. I hope to put some miles on it soon. That is if we don't get another storm or hurricane. I would like to ask about some of the accesories that are available. I would like to get opinions on the floor mats, duffle bags, PC800 motorcycle cover etc. I went to my Honda dealer and the did not have any pictures or information other than prices for these items. They are the not the most user friendly people I have met in my area. Are they worth it or can I get a better deal from other companies. What other items are available and from what companies? I am looking forward to many fun miles. Thanks in advance for all the information. BetaTester@MSN.COM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:33 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Subject: RE: New Pacific Coast Owner >I would like to get opinions on the floor mats, duffle bags, PC800 >motorcycle cover etc. I went to my Honda dealer and the did not have >any pictures or information other than prices for these items. They are >the not the most user friendly people I have met in my area. I made my own floor mats out of a scrap of carpeting. I used a piece of brown grocery bag to make a pattern for each side and cut the carpet from the pattern. The HondeLine mats are cheap, but I used a light colored carpeting so as to get more light into the area. I also used a Dremel tool and removed that little "wall" in the bottom of the right side to create more room. I have the bags and like them very much. I really only use one, though, as I have the left side pretty used up w/ all the stuff I always carry along. The quality is OK and they are custom made to exactly fit each trunk side. I also have the cover. The quality is fine and it works well. When I shipped the PC up here the movers managed to rip the back of the cover..... inside the crate! Still haven't figured that one out. A couple of lengths of 200mph tape on the inside and you can't even tell where the rip was. It has a pocket built in so that it can be folded into itself and stored as a small bundle. It has loops on the bottom for a padlock. I've had it on the bike during some pretty stiff winds and it ballooned a bit, but never came close to flying away. The trunk light kit is nice to have. It takes a bit of time to install, but looks completely "factory." If you have a rider along on a regular basis, the backrest is nice to have. I don't have the luxury of going to a different dealer, as the next nearest one is 6-7 hours drive away. If you have another dealer nearby, go to them, tell their manager what you are doing, and tell the old dealer, too. No one should have to put w/ poor customer service.......it's YOUR money and time. CORY I am looking forward to many fun miles. Thanks in advance for all the information. BetaTester@MSN.COM ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: Re: New Pacific Coast Owner To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Cory, do you happen to know the prices of the accessories you cited - the one dealer i have gone to for prices has given me different prices each time i ask - the trunk carpet has ranged in price from $12.00 to $34.00 Thanks Matthew ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:33:32 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu Cc: "'PC800 Mailing List'" Subject: Re: New Pacific Coast Owner On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Richard Foreman wrote: > Hi All, > > First of all, I hope I sent this off correctly. Loud & clear. Welcome. > I bought a new > 95 PC800 last week and I love it! I only have been able to put a hundred and > ten miles on it so far. I live in south Florida and it has rained everyday > since I have had it. I have only been able to ride a few minutes at a time > between breaks in the clouds. I hope to put some miles on it soon. That is > if we don't get another storm or hurricane. >From the looks of the weather reports you might want to put it away for a while. The PC is not the best choice in bikes when it come to riding in crosswinds. Anyone out there know if installing an ST1100 front fender helps ? > I would like to ask about some > of the accesories that are available. I would like to get opinions on the > floor mats, duffle bags, PC800 motorcycle cover etc. I went to my Honda > dealer and the did not have any pictures or information other than prices for > these items. They are the not the most user friendly people I have met in my > area. Are they worth it or can I get a better deal from other companies. > What other items are available and from what companies? There is ample discussion on all sorts of accessories in the archives. I'm sure you'll find what you are looking for in there. > I am looking > forward to many fun miles. Enjoy! Here's another survey question: How the *&^%$ can you tell if the oil level is right? If I do it the way the manual says (start-warm-stop-wait-measure) I get so many different readings I would need statistical analysis to find out the answer. The way I've been doing it is I borrowed some lab glassware and use it to measure the oil as precisely as I can before I add it to the bike. Using this as a baseline I measure it once the engine is cold and all of the oil is in the sump. The level on the so called dipstick at this point reaches the base of the reinfocement ribs. This works fine at home if I check it before riding, but on a long trip when I would like to check it at a gas stop this becomes very frustrating. I think Honda should have used a sight window in this case. Any suggestions? Thanks! Juan (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:22:19 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:22:19 -0700 To: pc800@sina.hpc.uh.edu From: slgross@halcyon.com (Steve Gross) Subject: Re: New Pacific Coast Owner > >How the *&^%$ can you tell if the oil level is right? Juan, I just take it in every 3 months or so & let my dealer change it..... Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the manual recommend a range? If so, don't worry too much about being precise. Go ride! Steve