********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:15:12 -0400 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Hello from another PC800 owner Cc: rmarks@motown.ge.com Hello fellow PC owners, I'm new to this list, here's a short bio. Name: Robert E. Marks Location: Collingswood, NJ (near Camden) Email: rmarks@motown.ge.com PC Model year: 1989 Bought: used Modifications: Purchased with standard Honda options tall windscreen, back rest, Kenwood Stereo Radio, Metzler ml2 tires Age: 41 Occupation: Computer Aided Design Software Engineer for Electrical Design at Lockheed Martin, Moorestown, NJ. Other interests: Boy Scout Leader, Hiking, Accordions, Singing This is my second bike. I first started riding 3/93, on a used 1981-CB650. I got tired of cleaning up chain lub spin-off on the frame, adjusting the chain, listening to the chain noise, no storage, hard seat and squeeky brakes. After owning the PC800 about a year, I am very happy with this sport/touring/ commuter motorcycle. I belong to a motorcyle club called the Choir Boys from our church. Membership is limited (currently 5, was as high as 7) since you must also sing in the church choir. The Boys are taking an eight day trip to Kentucky at the end of July. Last year we travel on Skyline Drive in Virginia and took a 3 day trip to Corning, NY. along the Susquehana River in PA. Three of us own Chatterbox communicators, they're great! My wife just purchase a used 1986 Helix with only 160mi, honest! The choir boys may have to change their name! Since both my PC800 and the Helix are both white, we are quite a sight on the road. I was curious if anyone has tried replacing the standard springs/shocks. It was great to find the WWW PC800 home page. Later..... - Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:52:12 -0400 To: rmarks@motown.ge.com Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Hello from another PC800 owner On Fri, Jun 2, 1995 2:15:12 pm at Robert E. Marks wrote: >PC Model year: 1989 >Bought: used >Modifications: > Purchased with standard Honda options > tall windscreen, back rest, Kenwood Stereo Radio, Metzler ml2 tires >This is my second bike. I first started riding 3/93, on a used 1981-CB650. >I got tired of cleaning up chain lub spin-off on the frame, adjusting the chain, >listening to the chain noise, no storage, hard seat and squeeky brakes. >After owning the PC800 about a year, I am very happy with this sport/touring/ >commuter motorcycle. Funny. Three weeks ago I traded *my* '81 CB 650 (w/ chain lub spin-off on the frame, adjusting the chain, listening to the chain noise, decent luggage rack though, hard seat and squeeky brakes -- oh, and a head gasket oil leak) toward an '89 PC800 (w/ 2000 miles). I've got the tall windscreen, back rest, and am seeking the Kenwood Stereo Radio. This week I'm installing an 80/100 bulb, and JC Whitney (car) alarm -- essential in NYC. Next time I need tires (the front will go first it seems) I'll get rid of Dunflops, and go for Metzler tires. Has anyone found their headlight to be aimed too high? I tried the adjustment screw, but 10 turns had no real effect. Memorial day weekend was my first long ride on the PC. ABout 700 miles roundtrip into the Adirondacks. Bike performed well, and was comfortable two-up. I got only about 40-42 mpg, which meant that my gas guage read empty every 100 miles or so. I figured I had a 40-50 mile reserve, but I didn't want to find out that badly. I *do* miss the reserve fuel petcock on the 650. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:19:33 PDT Subject: Re: Hello from another PC800 owner <> You've got more range. My guage is similar in that it shows empty around 100-120 though I have more. I very rarely dip mileage below 40mpg and judging from other's reports on mileage that's a good minimum. Also, I tend to get better mileage 2-up You can push it. -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp. '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: Hello from another PC800 owner Date: Friday, June 02, 1995 2:52PM On Fri, Jun 2, 1995 2:15:12 pm at Robert E. Marks wrote: >PC Model year: 1989 >Bought: used >Modifications: > Purchased with standard Honda options > tall windscreen, back rest, Kenwood Stereo Radio, Metzler ml2 tires >This is my second bike. I first started riding 3/93, on a used 1981-CB650. >I got tired of cleaning up chain lub spin-off on the frame, adjusting the chain, >listening to the chain noise, no storage, hard seat and squeeky brakes. >After owning the PC800 about a year, I am very happy with this sport/touring/ >commuter motorcycle. Funny. Three weeks ago I traded *my* '81 CB 650 (w/ chain lub spin-off on the frame, adjusting the chain, listening to the chain noise, decent luggage rack though, hard seat and squeeky brakes -- oh, and a head gasket oil leak) toward an '89 PC800 (w/ 2000 miles). I've got the tall windscreen, back rest, and am seeking the Kenwood Stereo Radio. This week I'm installing an 80/100 bulb, and JC Whitney (car) alarm -- essential in NYC. Next time I need tires (the front will go first it seems) I'll get rid of Dunflops, and go for Metzler tires. Has anyone found their headlight to be aimed too high? I tried the adjustment screw, but 10 turns had no real effect. Memorial day weekend was my first long ride on the PC. ABout 700 miles roundtrip into the Adirondacks. Bike performed well, and was comfortable two-up. I got only about 40-42 mpg, which meant that my gas guage read empty every 100 miles or so. I figured I had a 40-50 mile reserve, but I didn't want to find out that badly. I *do* miss the reserve fuel petcock on the 650. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:46:18 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: PCOC: Peacock Ok folks, There's Harley Owner's Group, ST Owners Club (STOC); howabout PC Owner's Club - PCOC -- pronounced "Peacock" By the way are there any women on this list? Does anyone know any female PC owners? Just curious. My bike was previously intended for a female rider, but it was apparently too heavy or tall for her. I know of a female former Virago owner, who may be looking for another bike. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:19:10 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: headlight adjustment "J. Burach" says: > Has anyone found their headlight to be aimed too high? I tried the > adjustment screw, but 10 turns had no real effect. After cars started flashing their lights at me, I adjusted my headlist lower. I remember having to make quite a few turns on the adjustment screw. I didn't count but it did seem to take forever. I was also somewhat confused over which direction to turn the screw, though it's too long ago for me to remember what worked. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: rmarks@motown.ge.com Cc: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Metzler ML-2's From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 02 Jun 95 14:59:18 EDT > Next time I need tires (the front will go first it seems) > I'll get rid of Dunflops, and go for Metzler tires. I wouldn't advise this... I just got rid of my Metzler ML-2's (front and rear), and am very happy to have the stock Dunlops (K177) back on... The Metzlers handled well enough, maybe a bit better than the Dunlops... but only at first... the life of the Metzlers were only about half that of the Dunlops, and they wore very unevenly, particularly the rear. But with the Dunlops back on, tire wear is nice and even again. In short, whatever handling advantage the Metzlers might have have will be gone in about 5,000 miles due to wear. (My Dunlop rear tire life = 14,000 miles, the Metzlers around 7,000) The wear problem is well known among the Goldwing crowd, and there was supposed to be some sort of design or compound change made in the ML-2 line to address the problem, so maybe the new ones are better. >From my experience though, the Dunlops handle just about as well, last twice as long, and cost much less. YMMV, of course, but I wouldn't recommend the Metzlers... - Seth seth@dsi.coded.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:48:20 -0400 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PCOC: Peacock I was driving home on one of those rare days when I drove my truck to work and I passed an intersection where I caught a glimpse of an '89 in the cross street. The bike caught up to me and passed a mile or so later. I noticed that it was a woman rider. (She was a bit on the large size.) I caught up to her at a red light and I think I surprised her when I hopped out of my truck and gave her a business card and a Honda Sport Touring Association calling card. I never heard from her but she was a she. I believe that a while back, I determined that there were no women on this list but there are female members of HSTA who ride PC800's. Incedentally, if you want at least the illusion of seeing a woman ride a PC, you could check out "Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man". The cop bike is ostensibly ridden by a female officer. I did manage to capture a few frames from the flick and plan to add them to the pictures section of the web page. I also captured a frame from Back to the Future II which shows a motorcycle butt which clearly belongs to a PC. Interestingly enough, both these segments needed a futuristic look and turned to the PC! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Hello from another PC800 owner (from "J. Burach" ) (at Fri, 02 Jun 1995 14:52:12 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:21:00 CST Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199506021852.OAA22570@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jun 02 you wrote: > Has anyone found their headlight to be aimed too high? I tried the > adjustment screw, but 10 turns had no real effect. This may be simplistic, but you do know that there are two screws?? One for up/down and one for left/right? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Metzler ML-2's (from SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER)) (at Fri, 02 Jun 1995 14:59:18 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 09:38:08 CST Hi SETH (SETH MILLER), in on Jun 02 you wrote: > > > I'll get rid of Dunflops, and go for Metzler tires. > > I wouldn't advise this... I just got rid of my Metzler ML-2's (front > and rear), and am very happy to have the stock Dunlops (K177) back on... I would highly advise going to the ML2 for the rear, and adamantly advise against the Dunlop. Tire choice is a matter of objectives :^) > The Metzlers handled well enough, maybe a bit better than the Dunlops... > but only at first... the life of the Metzlers were only about half that > of the Dunlops, and they wore very unevenly, particularly the rear. But > with the Dunlops back on, tire wear is nice and even again. Sounds to me like you were running the ML2's on too low a tire pressure. I ride my PC *very* hard and always swapped out the ML2's when my ME33's went out (whether they needed it or not) at 9k+. I'd almost have to say that if you didn't get at least 9k out of an ML2 on a PC, you either have a LOT of extra weight (like another passenger :^) you carry around most of the time, or there was something wrong with the tire maintenance... I've gone through 3 ML2's on the rear and two Dunlops - the stock and the K491 which is on there now. Both were (IMHO) absolute trash. The 491 has lasted about 7k miles for me, but that's because it's so slick that the rear spins on just about anything I do, so even with riding it much easier than the ML2's, it has spun itself to a quick death. > 14,000 miles, the Metzlers around 7,000) The wear problem is well known > among the Goldwing crowd, and there was supposed to be some sort of :^) look at the weight difference. And the ML@ did get a compund change a while back, which made it IMHO a worse tire for my needs. :^( > From my experience though, the Dunlops handle just about as well, last In mine, the Dunlops aren't even remotely close to the ML2 in handling. With the ML2 and the ME33 radial I was running last, I could fold the pegs up all the way and just grind them down easy in 110 mph sweepers or twisties. Like last year when I rode down Mulholland fully loaded (travel) and ground down my right front gard cover. With the Dunlop and the same front tire, I'm doing good to just touch the peg bolts at low speed, and the Dunlop sidewall is so wobbly that I can't even ride those 110 sweepers at more that 100 without risk of completely losing the bike. So yes, there's a very big difference between the tires. Now if you just want to go touring, that's a different matter, and the Dunlops may certainly be the tire for you. BTW, ME doesn't make the ME33 radial anymore. :^( so you'll be hearing a tire report soon (it's on order) about one of their Z's on the PC :^) Hopefully it'll work out as good/better than the 33 radial. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu 03 Jun 1995 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Shifting a PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu I've been riding bikes since I was 13 (I'm now 43) so shifting on a bike comes pretty natural to me. All I need to know is "4 up, 1 down" and off I go :-). I purchased my PC800 ('89) about 7 months ago and immediately started shifting like a newbie (argh!). Now to be honest, I have not touched a bike for 10 years and started to think I must be getting old! After a while I came to the conclusion that the PC800 takes a unique style to shift smoothly. My old R60 BMW shifted with a substantial *cluuunk!*. My Triumph Bonnie was a short throw *snick*, and my Yamaha 350 and Honda CX500 were both setup to shift as fast or slow as you like. The PC800 makes you feel like a real rookie until you learn that upshifting is kinda like catching an egg *tossed* from a short distance (you can't force it if you want a smooth shift). You have to slow down your shift speed and kinda catch the engine as it winds down a bit. Try slowing down your shifts and feel the engine as it slows a bit before releasing the clutch. This slow motion technique makes shifting very smooth but takes some practice. My rider sometimes (over the chatterbox) says "what was *that*!" when I shift poorly (usually when I'm not concentrating well and release the clutch before the engine is ready etc.) :-). Downshifting is a bit easier. As with most bikes, I give the engine a bit of a blip (twist the trottle just a tad after pulling in the clutch). By raising the engine speed just a bit, you can match the engine speed to the new gear box speed and smoothly release the clutch. I suppose you would use the same technique if your clutch went out and you had to shift the 'hard' way ;-). BTW this has happened to me on other bikes (I *love* the PC800 clutch). I've also run into the "missing gear" problem where you try to upshift and the lever will not engage the next gear. This always happens when I use poor shifting technique. If I'm paying attention and shifting smoothly, this *never* happens. In any event, I thought I'd pass these tips along even though the shifting conversation passed by a few days ago. I've been thinking of writing this all week! :-) | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | 03 Jun 1995 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 08:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Stealth edging To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu I finally got my Stealth edging! It's not easy to find out about (and order) this stuff! This mailing list is my lifeline for PC800 information; thank you! After putting it on, I get some odd looks (well the PC800 is a looker so it might just be the bike) :-). I'm 6'4" and have the tall windscreen. I think there are several sizes of the tall windscreen but I know that mine is certainly not stock. I ride with the RF700 helmet and the wind noise is/was terrible. If I duck down just a bit the noise all but goes away (I can hear the engine purr). For weeks, I've been ducking down a bit trying to measure how much I had to duck vs how much I thought the Stealth edging would affect the air envelope. I must have looked pretty silly since more than once my rider asked me to stop doing that! ;-) Anyway, the edging arrived on Tuesday and I have been riding with it all week so I figured a note to the mailing list was in order. Kent recommended 4 ft but I measured about 4.5 ft around the outside of the windscreen and purchased 5 ft just to be safe. I'm not sure the extra $10 was well spent but if I was to run the edging all the way down the sides (my windscreen must be extra tall) it is required :-). I then took the extra 6" to work and had folks try to guess what the stuff was (one of my co-workers even got close!). He guessed that is was bug deflection for the windscreen. Hmmm. Having this big black strip running around the outside of your windscreen does take some getting used to. But after a few miles you don't even think about it. I can look over the strip very easily. Now to the real part. *Does it work?* Well, yes and no. I do notice a difference but it is not dramatic. I think it is working just as designed. I suspect that if I removed it, I would quickly reinstall it. (Sorry Kent, I think I'll keep my edging) :-) If I lean back a bit, the quieting effect is more pronounced. I no longer have to duck down to quiet the helmet. Riding fairly upright or slightly hunched down no longer produces a dramatic noise reduction (it's about the same low noise level). However, *both* positions are not as quiet as ducking down *without* the edging. Here is my theory. I don't think the edging lifts the air flow envelope like you think it will. I think it creates turbulence that *reduces* the overall roaring noise. Without the edging the air flow is fairly laminar (smooth). If you stick your helmet in that fast moving stream, the noise is very great but under the stream it is quiet as a mouse. If you expect the edging to keep the same laminar flow but just lift the stream, you will be disappointed. It does not work this way. I believe that the air flow is not truly lifted it is just 'scrambled' a bit. This effect does quiet down the RF700 helmet but it also messes the air flow a bit so that ducking down no longer puts you into relatively still air. Having said all of this (the old windbag) :-), I'll certainly keep my edging on! | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | 03 Jun 1995 11:07:45 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: One more thing about shifting :-) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu I've found that if you shift higher up in RPM it helps. The PC800 is powerful enough that you do have a tendancy to lug the engine (which the manual warns you about) :-). | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:31 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PCOC: Peacock Well..........I don't just know about "Peacock"........ Did hear some discussion once about "SOS" which stands for Scooters on Steroids. ;-) Wasn't so comfortable about that one either....... Met a married, middle-aged, couple from Quebec (Montreal) who owned matching '90 PC's, each towing matching red & silver trailers. Very nice folks. I believe their names are Gaetan & Denise Denie. Hers had higher milage because she used it for her courier service in the city. I got my trailer hitch from Gaetan. (Juan has it right now taking measurements. {Juan, if you know how to do it, you are welcome to post pictures and statistics on the WWW.}) 'nuf for now I guess. Goin' home to replace the brake & clutch fluid and the spark plugs on the PC. At 22,000 miles I guess the fluid's due, and the Spilt Fires in it have been there since 6,000 miles. Really gotta' do something about that air filter, too.......sure wish they weren't so @#$^&*%#@$ spendy. Cory From owner-pc800 Sat Jun 3 21:20:18 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:20:06 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Cracks in Plastic (fwd) Relevant to our list, too. If fact, maybe the lists should be consolidated???? --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:52:43 -0500 From: scwright@ix.netcom.com (Steve Wright) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cracks in Plastic You wrote: > >Jeff, you asked about fixing cracks in the plastic of your saddle bags. >I broke the post off one of my side pannels and used JB Weld to fix it. > Works fantastic. I really think the post is stronger than when it was new. > I would strongly recomment JB Weld for any plastic repair work. Honda >Service Manager (Des Plaines, IL) recommended it to me. Could have sold me a >new pannel. >Dan Clark >dhclark@aol.com > On the subject of plastic breaking, has anybody had the locking tabs break on the black plastic piece in front (the piece with the "Honda" decal on it, directly below the windscreen). The lower left side tab has broken on mine, and at a recent rally, I noticed several STs also had broken tabs, usually on the _left_ side. Strange... Steve with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 03 Jun 1995 21:44:59 -0700 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 21:42:25 -0700 From: Jerry Kidby To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Cracks in Plastic (fwd) -Reply >>> J. Burach 06/03/95 07:20pm >>> Relevant to our list, too. If fact, maybe the lists should be consolidated???? You wrote: > >Jeff, you asked about fixing cracks in the plastic of your saddle bags. >I broke the post off one of my side pannels and used JB Weld to fix it. > Works fantastic. I really think the post is stronger than when it was new. > I would strongly recomment JB Weld for any plastic repair work. Honda This is great news! Maybe there is hope for that dusty ole 90 sitting in my garage after all! Thanks, I'll try this. Jerry Kidby OHSU Portland OR 90 red w/ spoilers, mats, dust cover, bra, radio, helmet speakers purchased new by my son all 4 bumper plastics worn off! both tires bald - dead battery.. etc. MY XR250L gets me to and from work EVERY day. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Sat, 03 Jun 1995 17:31 -0800) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 08:49:15 CST Hi CORY (CORY), in <9506040133.AA14297@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 03 you wrote: > from Gaetan. (Juan has it right now taking measurements. {Juan, if you > know how to do it, you are welcome to post pictures and statistics on the > WWW.}) Yes, Please post! > do something about that air filter, too.......sure wish they weren't so > @#$^&*%#@$ spendy. If you think the air filter is overpriced, you ought to try a new gas cap. :^( After giving up on finding my fuel vapor leak and talking to some mechanics who agreed that it sounded like the fuel cap was bad, I broke down and shelled out the outrageous sum of $42 for a new fuel cap. Figured I'd try to figure out what went wrong with the old one. However, the new cap solved *nothing*. So it wasn't the source of the vapor leak. I've decided that I'm going to have to remove all the hoses and clean them out. Maybe something is clogged up... Anyone need a new PC800 gas cap? Barely used. :^) :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:18:05 -0500 "Feul vapor (was RE: PC800: PCOC: Peacock)" (Jun 5, 8:49am) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) My 90' also is fumey, the garage often smells like gas; I just tell my wife that it is the lawn mower ;-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:37:10 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Cracks in Plastic (fwd) On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, J. Burach wrote: > Relevant to our list, too. If fact, maybe the lists should be > consolidated???? > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:52:43 -0500 > From: scwright@ix.netcom.com (Steve Wright) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Cracks in Plastic > > > You wrote: > > > >Jeff, you asked about fixing cracks in the plastic of your saddle bags. > >I broke the post off one of my side pannels and used JB Weld to fix it. > > Works fantastic. I really think the post is stronger than when it was > new. > > I would strongly recomment JB Weld for any plastic repair work. Honda > >Service Manager (Des Plaines, IL) recommended it to me. Could have sold > me a > >new pannel. > >Dan Clark > >dhclark@aol.com > > > > On the subject of plastic breaking, has anybody had the locking tabs break > on > the black plastic piece in front (the piece with the "Honda" decal on it, > directly below the windscreen). The lower left side tab has broken on mine, > > and at a recent rally, I noticed several STs also had broken tabs, usually > on > the _left_ side. Strange... Funny you should mention it... I just finished outting my PC back together after installing the air horns (Kent, I couldn't remember from your pictures where you installed the compressor, but after checking again, I installed it in exactly the same spot you did :-D! )and the Liberty radar detector I too broke two tabs on the left hand side. Maybe a recall is in order? Ill make sure to try the JB Weld. thanks for the tip. Cory, I'll try to get some diagrams done of the hitch. I don't know how long the pictures will take though. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: PCOC: Peacock <199506021946.PAA00342@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 09:34:43 -0700 From: Gaye Grabill >Ok folks, > >There's Harley Owner's Group, ST Owners Club (STOC); howabout PC Owner's >Club - PCOC -- pronounced "Peacock" > > >By the way are there any women on this list? Does anyone know any female >PC owners? Just curious. My bike was previously intended for a female >rider, but it was apparently too heavy or tall for her. I know of a female >former Virago owner, who may be looking for another bike. > Hi! I'm a female "on the list"; I don't have a PC800 yet tho. Just started riding again (after way too many years!). Right now I'm on an '87 Ascott. It's a nice little beginners bike. Hopefully by next spring I'll feel like I'm ready for a PC (both riding-wise and financially). I've been reading about the PC and signed up for the list to see how owner's actually felt about them, what kind of problems/solutions riders had, etc. etc. So far it sounds like a great bike! -gaye ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:28:08 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) On Mon, Jun 5, 1995 9:18:05 am at Rick Thompson wrote: >My 90' also is fumey, the garage often smells like gas I think this is something worth telling Honda headquarters about. It's obviously not an isolated problem. They may have a suggestion they've already worked out. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:34:50 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Leg warmer ducts? OK, this *isn't* relevant right now, as we are entering summer, but -- thinking ahead.... Has anyone modified (or seen a mod) for ducting the engine heat discharge vents so that the warm air warms one's legs? J.C. Whitney sells a (plexiglas?) vent deflector to achieve this purpose for the Wing. I don't know if a similar design would be adaptable to the PC/ST. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:38:30 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Stealth edging Harrison Spain wrote: >>I don't think the edging lifts the air flow envelope like you think it will. I think it creates turbulence that *reduces* the overall roaring noise. Without the edging the air flow is fairly laminar (smooth). If you stick your helmet in that fast moving stream, the noise is very great but under the stream it is quiet as a mouse. If you expect the edging to keep the same laminar flow but just lift the stream, you will be disappointed. It does not work this way. I believe that the air flow is not truly lifted it is just 'scrambled' a bit. This effect does quiet down the RF700 helmet but it also messes the air flow a bit so that ducking down no longer puts you into relatively still air.<< My question would be this: what are the implications for gas mileage? If there's more turbulence, isn't wind resistance increased? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:36:44 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PCOC: Peacock Peacock. I like it. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) (from "J. Burach" ) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 14:28:08 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:48:58 CST Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199506051828.OAA28401@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jun 05 you wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 1995 9:18:05 am at Rick Thompson wrote: > > >My 90' also is fumey, the garage often smells like gas > > I think this is something worth telling Honda headquarters about. It's > obviously not an isolated problem. They may have a suggestion they've > already worked out. Ok. Can I get a response from those on the list who have fumey PC's? Maybe identify: 1) Who you are and your PC's vintage. 2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. 3) what you have elimated as the source of the problem (as in "gas cap") Maybe we can send a letter to Honda asking for advice, etc... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Stealth edging (from JeffHO@aol.com) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 14:38:30 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:58:28 CST Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <950605143826_60744411@aol.com> on Jun 05 you wrote: > My question would be this: what are the implications for gas mileage? If > there's more turbulence, isn't wind resistance increased? Not necessarily. Some tricks of the business make use of controlled turbulence to reduce wind resistance. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:17:06 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Kent Polk wrote: Hello Kent. I was thinking back to when I cleaned the air filter on my bike. I noticed it had a strong gasoline smell. Mabe the fumes are coming drectly from the carbs as the engine heat warms up the bowls and the lines? Heat has very few places to go but up when the PC is not moving. I have not, however, noticed gas fumes filling the garage (maybe I've been around engines too long and just dont' notice it) :-). For what is worth, here it goes: > Ok. Can I get a response from those on the list who have fumey PC's? > 1) Who you are and your PC's vintage. Juan A. Goula 1990 PC800 Fairbanks, Alaska > 2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. 8000 miles While removing air filter Filter had strong gas odor and it was "oily". > 3) what you have elimated as the source of the problem > (as in "gas cap") Nothing yet, it is not a problem (yet) Let me know if there's anyhting else you need. thanks for sperheading the effort! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 12:25:06 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Leg warmer ducts? >OK, this *isn't* relevant right now, as we are entering summer, but -- >thinking ahead.... > >Has anyone modified (or seen a mod) for ducting the engine heat discharge >vents so that the warm air warms one's legs? J.C. Whitney sells a >(plexiglas?) vent deflector to achieve this purpose for the Wing. I don't >know if a similar design would be adaptable to the PC/ST. > > > Someone once suggested this to me and I thought it would be a great idea if you could open and close a vent just forward of your shins which would direct/restrict the engine warmth toward/away from the rider. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) (from Juan Goula ) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 11:17:06 -0800 (AKDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:23:57 CST Hi Juan (Juan Goula), in on Jun 05 you wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > > Hello Kent. I was thinking back to when I cleaned the air filter on my > bike. I noticed it had a strong gasoline smell. Mabe the fumes are > coming drectly from the carbs as the engine heat warms up the bowls and > the lines? Heat has very few places to go but up when the PC is not moving. > I have not, however, noticed gas fumes filling the garage (maybe I've > been around engines too long and just dont' notice it) :-). ... > > 2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. > 8000 miles > While removing air filter > Filter had strong gas odor and it was "oily". Thanks for the response. I think that maybe you don't have the problem (yet). You'd know for sure if you did as the fumes are very strong. I'll be stopped at a light and it smells like someone poured gasoline all over the bike or a fuel line came loose. I do suspect that it a fuel or carb vent problem though as I never see any liquid on anything. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 05 Jun 95 15:27:11 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[3]: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) > 1) Who you are and your PC's vintage. Mike White, northern VA near Wash. DC. 1989 PC-800 >2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. 10k miles, overall exc. condition, no other problems (except not enough time to ride :-) >3) what you have elimated as the source of the problem (as in "gas cap") Nothing. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re[3]: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) (from m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:32:53 CST Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199506051927.PAA24591@mwunix.mitre.org> on Jun 05 you wrote: > > 1) Who you are and your PC's vintage. > > >2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. > > >3) what you have elimated as the source of the problem Maybe one other thing: 4) describe the fuel vapor problem as you experience it. Thanks Much Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 05 Jun 95 11:13:00 EDT Hi Kent - > Sounds to me like you were running the ML2's on too low > a tire pressure. Nope. I've known how to use a tire gauge for a long time... > I ride my PC *very* hard... Gee, I guess so, if "tire spin" is a wear factor for you... What are you doing to that poor bike..? > With the Dunlop and the same front tire, I'm doing good > to just touch the peg bolts at low speed, and the Dunlop > sidewall is so wobbly that I can't even ride those 110 > sweepers at more that 100 without risk of completely > losing the bike. So yes, there's a very big difference > between the tires. Boy, no comment really necessary here... > Now if you just want to go touring, that's a different matter, > and the Dunlops may certainly be the tire for you. Touring...? On the Pacific Coast? Where would you ever get the idea that the PC might be used for touring? It is clearly intended for racing-edge sport performance... OK, so I'll amend my recommendation... *If* you are one of those rare individuals who bought a PC for touring and commuting, my experience (and that of a friend as well) indicates that the Dunlops are a better choice for this type of riding (unless the compound change has fixed things). If you like to ride "those 110 sweepers" and find it necessary to regularly replace your worn-down pegs, then I will bow to Kent's expertise in that area and you should go with the Metzlers. BTW, I'm not going to waste my time in suggesting that it may not be particularly advisable to be grinding your pegs down at 110 mph on the street, but I hope you don't live near me... and if you're going to do it anyway, why not at least get a bike intended for that type of riding style? The live you save may be mine... - Seth ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... (from SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER)) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 11:13:00 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:51:31 CST Hi SETH (SETH MILLER), in <6113D32F01281E76@-SMF-> on Jun 05 you wrote: > > BTW, I'm not going to waste my time in suggesting that it may not be > particularly advisable to be grinding your pegs down at 110 mph on the > street, but I hope you don't live near me... and if you're going to do > it anyway, why not at least get a bike intended for that type of riding > style? The live you save may be mine... You should have stayed where you were at 'not going to waste my time'. Making assumptions about another's riding habits will always get you in trouble, especially when they are incorrect... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:02 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Feul vapor Kent, Don't think I have the problem, but I have noticed a hissing sound after parking it in the garage after a ride. Especially if it's warm out. If I turn the gas cap I get a "pfffffft" sound then the hiss (or high pitched whistle) goes away. I havent't noticed any fumes, but I'll try to pay attention a little closer in the future. It's an '89 w/ 22,000 mi. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jun 5 15:41:52 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:41:40 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Leg warmer ducts? (fwd) I like Neill Thompsons suggestion, but here's some additonal background. --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:59:56 -0500 From: a0042724@dlep1.itg.ti.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Leg warmer ducts? >OK, this *isn't* relevant right now, as we are entering summer, but -- >thinking ahead.... > >Has anyone modified (or seen a mod) for ducting the engine heat discharge >vents so that the warm air warms one's legs? J.C. Whitney sells a >(plexiglas?) vent deflector to achieve this purpose for the Wing. I don't >know if a similar design would be adaptable to the PC/ST. > Having been a GoldWing driver for some years, I saw two configurations offered for the Wing.... One called "Wing Wings" that mounted well up on the Fairing and were adjustable to either deflect or direct the wind, the other, mounted under the crash bars on the GL1500 and was actually to protect your feet from water.... The "Wing Wings" are mounted to part of the fairing frame supports and cannot be modified for the ST (I've thought about this too). And, the ST's fairing is so much narrower than the GoldWing that it would take quite a piece of plastic to move the air away from your legs.... Just my 0.02 Charlie ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 05 Jun 95 11:37:15 EDT Kent, thanks for keeping a tally on this... My report is as follows: Model year: '89 (49-state version) Problem started at about 3 years and 20,000 miles. Otherwise, symptoms are exactly as you described for your own bike in an earlier post... I have taken no corrective action other than several close inspections of the fuel system and carbs... no visible leaks of any kind... - Seth ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 05 Jun 95 11:27:26 EDT > Anyone need a new PC800 gas cap? Barely used. :^) :^) Maybe NASA could use one. After all, at that price it must be mil-spec. Boy, I shudder to think what something as exotic as an ignition coil would cost... Sorry to hear that the new cap didn't fix your vapor leak. Now that this problem is out in the open, I keep hearing about more and more people experiencing it.. it must be very common past a certain mileage... By all means, please let us know if you come up with anything... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:45:52 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak On Mon, Jun 5, 1995, SETH MILLER wrote: >Problem started at about 3 years and 20,000 miles. Otherwise, symptoms >are exactly as you described for your own bike in an earlier post... I >have taken no corrective action other than several close inspections of >the fuel system and carbs... no visible leaks of any kind... >> Anyone need a new PC800 gas cap? Barely used. :^) :^) >Maybe NASA could use one. A new insight into the gas fumes! Have you checked for woodpecker holes in the gas tank? I understand that hanging a fake owl from the (extended) windshield is the cure. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:11:35 -0400 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) In a message dated 95-06-05 09:56:02 EDT, you write: >If you think the air filter is overpriced, you ought to try a new gas >cap. :^( After giving up on finding my fuel vapor leak and talking >to some mechanics who agreed that it sounded like the fuel cap was bad, >I broke down and shelled out the outrageous sum of $42 for a new fuel >cap. Figured I'd try to figure out what went wrong with the old one. >However, the new cap solved *nothing*. So it wasn't the source of the >vapor leak. I've decided that I'm going to have to remove all the hoses >and clean them out. Maybe something is clogged up... > >Anyone need a new PC800 gas cap? Barely used. :^) :^) What will you take for it? I must have missed the post where you said you were ordering a gas cap or I would have told you of my solution. A few years ago, give or take a year, my PC gas cap was misplaced :^(. Oh, OK I lost it. I could not wait for a new one so I went to an auto parts store and purchased an aftermarket cap for a Honda Civic, and what do you know, it works:^). It's a little sloppy in fit but it tightens down well and I've never gotten around to getting an original PC gas cap. The point is even using this generic cap I have never noticed the vapors you described and you could have saved a few bucks just to test. Depending on price I might find myself desiring to return my PC to its original equipment status. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak (from "J. Burach" ) (at Mon, 05 Jun 1995 19:45:52 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:06:49 CST Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199506052345.TAA12434@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jun 05 you wrote: > A new insight into the gas fumes! Have you checked for woodpecker holes > in the gas tank? I understand that hanging a fake owl from the (extended) > windshield is the cure. You mean I have to trade my miniature fuzzy dice hanging from my miniature stick-on compass (above my miniature dashboard) in for a miniature owl now??? Think maybe a bobbing-head dog or a religious statuette sitting on the dashboard would suffice? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Tue, 06 Jun 1995 01:11:35 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:03:46 CST Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <950606011135_87518465@aol.com> on Jun 06 you wrote: > >Anyone need a new PC800 gas cap? Barely used. :^) :^) > Depending on price I might find myself desiring to return my PC to its > original equipment status. Make an offer (enough to include postage also) and let me think about it. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:26:14 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: (Kent_Polk)_kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Cc: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Reply to: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/06/95 12:26 ## 1. Roger Prince - '90 w/81K - can't remember when it started, probably very early. First '90 did it also. 2. Can't remember. 3. Nothing eliminated. 4. Most noticeable immediately after shutting off. Dissipates in a very short time - couple minutes. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: (Kent Polk) kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/05/95 13:48 ## Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199506051828.OAA28401@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jun 05 you wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 1995 9:18:05 am at Rick Thompson wrote: > > >My 90' also is fumey, the garage often smells like gas > > I think this is something worth telling Honda headquarters about. It's > obviously not an isolated problem. They may have a suggestion they've > already worked out. Ok. Can I get a response from those on the list who have fumey PC's? Maybe identify: 1) Who you are and your PC's vintage. 2) mileage or other conditions when you first noticed the problem. 3) what you have elimated as the source of the problem (as in "gas cap") Maybe we can send a letter to Honda asking for advice, etc... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 11:34:56 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak >You mean I have to trade my miniature fuzzy dice hanging from my >miniature stick-on compass... Wait a minute!?! My Official Accessories Retailer assured me that the compass and fuzzy dice were Cool(tm) and that women would swoon when I went by on my PC. They've been swooning ok, but I always assumed it was because I looked so cool. Now you tell me it's because they've been laughing themselves silly!?!?!?! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Re: Fuel Vapor Leak (from m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White)) (at Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:01:32 CST Hi Michael (Michael J White), in <199506061535.LAA19956@mwunix.mitre.org> on Jun 06 you wrote: > >You mean I have to trade my miniature fuzzy dice hanging from my > >miniature stick-on compass... > > Wait a minute!?! My Official Accessories Retailer assured me that the compass > and fuzzy dice were Cool(tm) and that women would swoon when I went by on my PC. > They've been swooning ok, but I always assumed it was because I looked so cool. > Now you tell me it's because they've been laughing themselves silly!?!?!?! Kinda like a quip I pulled on my son. He was jokingly trying to talk me into buying him a Mazda Miata. I was looking for a 6-yd dump truck and kidding him about letting him drive it to school. Son: But Dad, I can pick up girls in a Miata! Me: But you can pick up a lot more of them in a dump truck! :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:50:33 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Feul vapor (was RE: PCOC: Peacock) In case someone with intitiative or connections talks to Honda, my (Jeff Odell, Boston, MA) 1995 PC has had fuel vapor smell from mile 1. Seems to come from the gas cap compartment whenever warm, whether running or sitting in the sun. No leaks that I can find. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:50:36 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... I'm with you, Seth. I guess we're wimps, but 110 mph peg-grinding sweepers haven't really been an issue yet. Hey Kent, exactly what sort of research are you involved in? Not funny chemicals, by any chance? : ) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... (from JeffHO@aol.com) (at Tue, 06 Jun 1995 16:50:36 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:36:07 CST Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <950606165035_88049237@aol.com> on Jun 06 you wrote: > I'm with you, Seth. I guess we're wimps, but 110 mph peg-grinding sweepers Yeah, concentrate on the high-speeds stuff and forgot what I said about the twisties... At any speed, the Dunlops are scarey and unpredictable when leaned over. The sidewalls flex and the suspension follows. In rain, the 491 almost can't retain contact with the pavement and IMHO, is simply a dangerous tire. Roads that I could safely maintain the speed limit on while wet with the ME's require 15mph slower speeds using the 491. Early this spring, I took the backroads from S.A. to Austin in near-freezing rain, which normally just requires that I run at reasonable speeds :^). With the 491 on back I worked the throttle the whole time, simply because that Dunlop never could hook up in those conditions. It spun itself almost all the 120 miles up there. Riding the twisties dry, the 491 took almost an hour of warmup before it could grab enough to not keep trying to pitch me, and once it was that hot, the tire was too hot to physically touch. I was checking tire temps and just about burned my finger on that thing. Much hotter than any other tire I've ridden. Loses tread pretty fast under those conditions also. :^( > haven't really been an issue yet. Hey Kent, exactly what sort of research are > you involved in? Not funny chemicals, by any chance? : ) I just keep my ear to the rail. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:37:21 -0700 From: larrycol@ix.netcom.com (Larry Collins) Subject: Re: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu You wrote: > >You should have stayed where you were at 'not going to waste my time'. >Making assumptions about another's riding habits will always get you >in trouble, especially when they are incorrect... > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > > I believe an explanation is in order Kent, after all you were the one who said that you take the corners at 110... In what way was his reply incorrect? IMHO it is at the very least careless and irresponsible to drive in the manner that you described. -- Larry Collins (404) 396-6986 Automated Data Systems, Inc. 2102 Asbury Square Atlanta, GA 30346 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu get index ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:52:40 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: PC800 ListServ Subject: Dunflops Hello everyone. I keep hearing about the Dunlop 491's, but I've yet to see it offered in the sizes for the PC. I just got a new set of 177's. Are they the same thing, just different name, or are there any significant differences (i.e. compound, tread pattern, load rating) other than sizing? Also, I remember reading recently about driveshaft failure on BMW K-bikes because of lack of lubrication to the d-shaft splines. I looked the other day and couldn't find any grease zerkes on the shaft housing (a friend of mine has a GL500 and zerkes on his bike are plainly visible). Are the splines on the PC "wet-lubed" with oil from the rear drive/engine, or can we expect similar failures to those on the beemers? Anyone out there had a d-shaft related problem? Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Dunlops at LESS than 110 mph... (from larrycol@ix.netcom.com (Larry Collins)) (at Tue, 06 Jun 1995 16:37:21 -0700) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:10:25 CST Hi Larry (Larry Collins), in <199506062337.QAA00822@ix3.ix.netcom.com> on Jun 06 you wrote: > I believe an explanation is in order Kent, after all you were the one You may. I don't. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Fwd: Dunflops From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 07 Jun 95 08:32:43 EDT Hi Juan - The K177's are original equipment for the PC. They appear to be very similar to the other Dunlop touring-type replacements (same tread, bias belt on rear tires, etc.) but may have some specific design characteristics for the PC. Special model-specific design features are not uncommon in OE motorcycle tires, especially on high-performance bikes. I don't know whether this is the case or not with the K177 and the PC. From my knowledge, you have only two choices in OE size, the Dunlops and the Metzler ML2's. Anyone else know of any other sizes that will fit properly and not cause any handling problems? Re the lube of the shaft spline: I have wondered (worried) about this myself... I have the factory service manual, and it does not indicate any lube points or required service intervals for the drive shaft itself. I don't think the shaft splines receive any lubrication during operation other than whatever grease may be in there. If this really gets to me, I may pull the shaft on the next rear tire change and re-grease the splines, just in case. I know that there is very common problem with the older BMW boxers wherein debris from the dry clutch contaminates the driveshaft spline grease and leads to rapid failure unless the thing is torn down (a major operation in this case) every 10,000 miles or so and re-greased. I don't know whether the same is true on the K bikes, but this does seem to be a recurring problem with BMW's... - Seth ----------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS ---------------------- Hello everyone. I keep hearing about the Dunlop 491's, but I've yet to see it offered in the sizes for the PC. I just got a new set of 177's. Are they the same thing, just different name, or are there any significant differences (i.e. compound, tread pattern, load rating) other than sizing? Also, I remember reading recently about driveshaft failure on BMW K-bikes because of lack of lubrication to the d-shaft splines. I looked the other day and couldn't find any grease zerkes on the shaft housing (a friend of mine has a GL500 and zerkes on his bike are plainly visible). Are the splines on the PC "wet-lubed" with oil from the rear drive/engine, or can we expect similar failures to those on the beemers? Anyone out there had a d-shaft related problem? Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: get index Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:27:00 GMT To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu get index --- * SLMR 2.1a * You will need the MANUALS to use this tagline! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: where to buy parts?? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:31:00 GMT To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: where to buy parts??? Sorry if this subject has been asked but I'm desperate to get an alternator for my 89' bike. Mail order is preferred since dealership costs twice as much, at least does. The bike's been out of of service for 3 weeks. Also, does anyone here live in Los Angeles area. TIA. --- * SLMR 2.1a * Perry Mason for Supreme Court Justice! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 13:21:42 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: where to buy parts?? On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Daniel Do wrote: > Sorry if this subject has been asked but I'm desperate to get an > alternator for my 89' bike. Mail order is preferred since > dealership costs twice as much, at least does. The bike's been out of > of service for 3 weeks. Also, does anyone here live in Los Angeles > area. TIA. Daniel, I think you have two choices: A) get the archive for May. There are messages from a guy that can get OEM parts at a reasonable discount. B) find a salvage yard that has a donor PC corpse.(yuk) =:-( Good luck! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:25:19 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: where to buy parts?? On Wed, Jun 7, 1995 1:21:42 pm at Juan Goula wrote: >On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Daniel Do wrote: > >> Sorry if this subject has been asked but I'm desperate to get an >> alternator for my 89' bike. Mail order is preferred since >> dealership costs twice as much, at least does. The bike's been out of >> of service for 3 weeks. Also, does anyone here live in Los Angeles >> area. TIA. > > >Daniel, > >I think you have two choices: >A) get the archive for May. There are messages from a guy that can get >OEM parts at a reasonable discount. >B) find a salvage yard that has a donor PC corpse.(yuk) =:-( >Good luck! I think you mean this (below). I ordered some stuff from him. It worked pretty much the way he said it would. (You can let him know I referred you...) You might also try :East Coast Parts Warehouse 800-544-4814 I've heard good things about them. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: RobbRacer@aol.com Thanks for responding, I can get you the parts, but must have the part numbers. Payment is made by credit card, and the parts are directly shipped to you. The price will be exactly 20% off the list price. When you get the part numbers, they should also tell you the list price. Take off 20% and remember there is no tax and shipping is free. I can usually get you the parts in 3-4 working days. Thanks, Rob P.S. If you would like to speak to me you can by calling 904-378-0331, and leave a message. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 02:57:11 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Engine Cover Prices (fwd) --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 00:36:18 -0500 From: prattwil@medio.net (William Pratt) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Engine Cover Prices >Item Subject: cc:Mail Text >Hello: > >Here's a current price list if you need the plastic engine side covers: > >Local Honda dealers: $30.13 + tax (no stock, wait one week) >East Coast Warehouse: $22.90 + shipping (no stock, wait one week +) > >I'll go with the local dealer as I still get 10% off parts and merchandise >for 30 days so the price would be $27 or so + tax and I support the local >dealer. Just wanted to send this update since it looks like there are a few >new ST1100 owners here and they'll probably drop their bikes too! > >Tom Vervaeke >STOC #034 > I found that if you run hot boiling water over the cover, you can mold them back into shape. They get bent by the drop, but this quick repair does really work. Give it a try. Bill Pratt Bellevue, WA Bill Pratt in Bellevue, WA "No matter where you go...there you are!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:34 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Stealth edging I thought I'd revive the SAENG winglets and edging issue after this week's discovery. HISTORY: The first thing I noticed after I bought the PC was the terrible wind noise. I set out to do something about it and ended up with the winglets. Aside from the small adhesive problems I've mentioned in the past, I was very happy with their performance. My "bubble" behind the windshield was acceptable. At one time I was on the phone w/ the man at SAENG and he convinced me that I should try the edging too. I got the edging in and carefully installed it up the sides and across the top, with gaps in the edging at the top corners of the windshield where the winglet mounts fold over the edge. I didn't notice a huge difference, except at the sholders, where it seemed that the "bubble" had gotten a bit wider. A couple of evenings ago I was messing around out in the garage and got to studying the winglet/edging/windshield set up. I removed the edging from the top of the windshield, almost exactly $10 worth :-), and re- installed the large winglet with its bottom edge down over the front edge of the windshield. Its mounts were set to give it a curve that matches the general shape of the windshield and is a few degrees laid back from being straight up. I left the edging on the sides of the windshield. The small winglets are beside the large one, one on each side, with the outside edges angled back slightly. This combination is PERFECT! I can just feel the wind at the very top of my helmet and at the very edges of my shoulders. The wind noise is all but gone. I can hear the engine, a "click" when I shift, tire noise, etc. There is no buffeting and I can easily ride at any speed with the face shield ccompletely open. The winglets don't restrict vision in any way. I'm 5'9" tall and sit relatively upright in the saddle. If I rise up three or four inches the old, annoying noise returns. This set-up has made riding a far better experience. {Of course, any ride, even a bad one, is better than no ride at all. :')} Hope this info helps someone. Cory '89 PC-800 (907) 488-5760 (Home) '82 FT-500 Ascot (907) 377-2130 (Work) '71 CB-350 Special (907) 388-3519 (Cell) (907) 377-1358 (FAX) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 14:01:51 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Stealth edging To Cory, Are you looking through the large winglet? How far does it extend above the windshield? I presume you have the standard size windshield. A scanned picture on the WWW page would be helpful. To all, Currently, I have the optional tall windscreen and I sit in the calm bubble but I can feel a back pressure on my shoulder and head at highway speeds. I'm 6 foot tall but have a short body above the waist, so I still see through the top inch of the windshield. My other complaint is that the tall windscreen distorts my view because the thickness is not uniform. Is this true of all Honda PC800 windscreens, or just the tall version, or just an older tall version? - Bob, '89 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:16 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Stealth edging Bob, No, I don't look through the winglet, my line of vision is over the top of it. Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jun 8 14:10:09 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Stealth edging There was I guy that I bumped into (not literally, of course) who has a build about the way you described yourself and he complained of the same thing. What he did was actually shave off an inch or so from the top with a sander. I couldn't see the difference until I pulled my bike up next to his. Maybe you can do the same and then add the winglets. I have the tall windscreen too, but I'm just short enough to look through the portion that is not distorted. Johan '89 PC800 w/ a new paint job On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Robert E. Marks wrote: > To all, > > Currently, I have the optional tall windscreen and I sit in the calm > bubble but I can feel a back pressure on my shoulder and head at > highway speeds. I'm 6 foot tall but have a short body above the waist, > so I still see through the top inch of the windshield. > > My other complaint is that the tall windscreen distorts my view because > the thickness is not uniform. Is this true of all Honda PC800 > windscreens, or just the tall version, or just an older tall version? > > - Bob, '89 PC800 > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: plastic body care? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:18:00 GMT To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Care of the plastic body of pc800? I have an 89 bike that's showing sign of age, the edges doesn't fit tightly, around the trunk lid for example. Also I dropped the bike a few times. Just wondering what kind of care you people do to keep the bike new and shiny? TIA. --- * SLMR 2.1a * Relay THIS, fella! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: electrical problem help!! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:06:00 GMT To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: need help with electrical problem I need netters' advice on my problem. The battery didn't charge, so I charged it, and killed it in the process by overcharging it (hint). Now the bike still didn't charge with the new battery, and it dies (seems like there is no sparks in the spark plugs) while it is running. I think there is a problem with the alternator, but before ripping it out I 'd like to get a second opinion. TIA. --- * SLMR 2.1a * Who goes to psychiatrist should have his head examined ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:02:25 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: New paint On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Johan Lai wrote: > Johan > '89 PC800 > w/ a new paint job I've been thinking of alternative colors for my PC. What color did you paint yours? Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? I always try to keep it out of the sun whenever possible. I know it's a drag to bring the cover along, but that's the price for keeping a beautiful body. Since I've already paid for a paint job, I'm pretty religious about it now. You would be too if you had to shell out $400. If you do leave your cover at home, at least bring a towel to cover the windshield. My original shield was just devoured by the UV. Now I'm a bit smarter and always bring a towel. What I do is use two large black paper binding clips to grip the towel on both sides of the windshield to keep it in place. Be careful not to grip the windshield, you may leave marks. Always keep the paint clean. Dirt and dust can scratch good old plastic like they do to cars, especially when you accidentally rub against it. A once over (light buffing) with a damp towel is best after you ride. Can't do anything about the lower parts, unless you want to spray a coat of enamel yourself. As far as the fit around the edges, mine does that too. I thought I saw a guy post on here saying to use hot water. I haven't tried it yet, though. Since you've dropped it, you may want to make sure that no part of the frame is bent or damaged. No use having a good looking bike and then have it fall apart on you while you ride. Johan '89 PC800 "Cassandra" On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Daniel Do wrote: > Subject: Care of the plastic body of pc800? > > I have an 89 bike that's showing sign of age, the edges doesn't > fit tightly, around the trunk lid for example. Also I dropped the > bike a few times. Just wondering what kind of care you people do to > keep the bike new and shiny? TIA. > --- > * SLMR 2.1a * Relay THIS, fella! > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC Fuel Vapor Leaks From: SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER) Date: 08 Jun 95 13:12:14 EDT I just read an interesting answer in a Q&A column in an automotive magazine. The reader was asking for advice regarding a gasoline smell under his hood, and mentioned that he couldn't find any visible leaks (sound familiar?). The answer suggested replacement of all rubber fuel lines, with the explanation that rubber fuel lines can age in a way that permits the passage of fuel vapor, while still being impermeable to liquids. This sure sounds like it fits the symptoms surrounding the PC fuel vapor smell problem (no visible leaks, onset after a couple of years, etc.)... Has anyone tried replacing all the rubber fuel lines, and did it have any effect...? - Seth ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint I painted mine white again, this time the white is lighter and it covers all the plastic parts, upper and lower. I didn't want to be too radical about it, just enogh to say 'hey, my PC is different'. And also I needed the paint job because I have a one car garage and I share with..you know.. a car so I bumped into the wall and the cabinet and bicycle quite a few times. I took the pieces off myself and took it to an auto paint shop. Otherwise, some bike specialty shops wanted $800-$1000 for it. Man, the PC looks weird without it's plastic. Anyway, it took me about 4 weekends to disassemble, 3 days to paint, and 2 weekends to reassemble. After all is done, I've a three or four screws left over. Not bad considering the amount of screws and bolts that it has. What I do recommend though if you decide to do it, as soon as you take the bolt or screw off a part, put it back in it's place when the part is removed. That way you won't have any left over like me. Don't worry about getting paint on them. They'll still behave like screws and bolts and it keeps the point from seeping into the holes thus causing problems later. Johan '89 PC800 "Cassandra" On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Juan Goula wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Johan Lai wrote: > > > Johan > > '89 PC800 > > w/ a new paint job > > > I've been thinking of alternative colors for my PC. What color did you > paint yours? > > Juan > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:30:03 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? What affect does UV have on the windshield? I know the dark console can melt from the magnified sun's rays. To protect the body from UV, HONDA's spray cleaner includes a UV screen, as do other cleaners and waxes. - Bob ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:29 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: New paint? Thinking of new colors?????????? Juan, you are my good friend, but if you even get near that beautiful, 2" deep, fingernail-polish-red PC with a paint sprayer I might get violent!! Better idea: Trade body panels w/ me, then paint it! BTW, I read somewhere that an American PC owner was visiting Paris and saw a brand new BLUE PC on the showroom floor at le Honda dealer. I seem to remember that he said light blue, but I'm not sure about that, it could have been just blue. Certainly different than red, white, black, and "fingernail polish." .......wonder if there is any way to contact American Honda and find out how many colors the thing has actually been made in, world-wide? Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jun 8 15:44:19 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint? Gee Juan, You didn't say you had a '90 PC. It's definitely not a good idea to go from dark colors to light. I think you'd better do as Cory says. Although blue does sound pretty good. I almost chose blue but I figured it's safer to stay close to my base color. Johan '89 PC800 "Cassandra" On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, CORY wrote: > Thinking of new colors?????????? > > Juan, you are my good friend, but if you even get near that beautiful, > 2" deep, fingernail-polish-red PC with a paint sprayer I might get > violent!! Better idea: Trade body panels w/ me, then paint it! > BTW, I read somewhere that an American PC owner was visiting Paris > and saw a brand new BLUE PC on the showroom floor at le Honda dealer. > I seem to remember that he said light blue, but I'm not sure about that, > it could have been just blue. Certainly different than red, white, black, > and "fingernail polish." .......wonder if there is any way to contact > American Honda and find out how many colors the thing has actually been > made in, world-wide? > > Cory > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? My old screen first turned a yucky yellowish tint. Then the UV protectant film that Honda puts on starts flaking off. It starts at the lower right side of the screen and then works it's way up. That's because the sun is most perpendicular at that point (my guess). I've seen it happen on two other PC's. One while at a service center when I was getting my tire changed and the other time was on a road stop in the mountains during a ride. Johan '89 PC800 "Cassandra" On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Robert E. Marks wrote: > What affect does UV have on the windshield? I know the dark console > can melt from the magnified sun's rays. > > To protect the body from UV, HONDA's spray cleaner includes a UV screen, > as do other cleaners and waxes. > > - Bob > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:05:32 -0700 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Re: plastic body care? This is off topic, but I gotta ask: >Johan >'89 PC800 "Cassandra" Why "Cassandra"? Any particular significance or didja just like the name? Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? All my vehicles have a name. I usually name them based on their characteristics. My '76 GMC Van is named Fat Albert. The '89 Ford Probe is Jessica. I just thought that Cassandra was a sexy name appropriate to be attached to a fine bike. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Spencer Farrow wrote: > This is off topic, but I gotta ask: > > >Johan > >'89 PC800 "Cassandra" > > > Why "Cassandra"? Any particular significance or didja just like the name? > > Cheers - Spencer > > Spencer Farrow > Compensation Researcher > Radford Associates/A&ACG > sfarrow@radford.com > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 15:38:01 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: New paint? Speaking of repainting, I think I mentioned this a while back but some of the new folks may have missed it and may have some input. I dropped my bike kinda hard and scuffed up the crash bar covers pretty good. I replaced the front one but I decided that I had nothing to lose by trying to salvage the rear one. I used a hand file to smooth out the deeper scratches and finished with sandpaper. I went to the local Pep Boys equivilent and bought a small spray can of silver touch-up paint (my bike is a '94) and did a light coat on the reworked area. I didn't try to do the entire piece. I tried to blend into the surrounding area since the color match wasn't perfect. It looked pretty passable except for one thing. Shortly after spraying it I noticed a run in the paint and rather than letting it dry that way, I tried to wipe it carefully. The fresh paint softened the original paint underneath and some of it came off leaving a very thin point in the paint shaped alot like a run. In the end the effect was plenty acceptable. I have also wondered if some retro-reflective tape from 3M might be used to cover any tip-over blemishes and add a little extra side visibility. I have sometimes worried about the visibility issue because of the black color particularly at night and particularly from the broadside where you don't have the head or taillights and the side marker lights and reflectors are small. I had thought that cutting the reflector tape to a point at the front and with two tails in the rear would help work the flat tape around the compound corners at the front and rear of the cover. Something like this: ____________ / / \____________\ Possibly, this would also give the sense of direction of travel when that is all that shows up in the dark and a sporty appearance when viewed in normal light. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:22:44 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Tall Windshield > My other complaint is that the tall windscreen distorts my view because > the thickness is not uniform. Is this true of all Honda PC800 > windscreens, or just the tall version, or just an older tall version? To date, all the tall windshields that I've seen have a noticeable amount of distortion. I believe the magazine reviews complained about this too. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:27:41 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Daniel Do wrote: > Subject: Care of the plastic body of pc800? > > I have an 89 bike that's showing sign of age, the edges doesn't > fit tightly, around the trunk lid for example. Also I dropped the > bike a few times. Just wondering what kind of care you people do to > keep the bike new and shiny? TIA Lots of elbow grease Daniel, lots. I bought one of the "California Dusters", the dashboard model {perfect size for a bike :-) } and carry it with me. Whenever I notice a layer of dust on the bike I whip it out and presto! just like new again. I wish a would've bought the scuff pad set though, to keep my boot of the paint! :-( Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:28:57 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: electrical problem help!! On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Daniel Do wrote: > Subject: need help with electrical problem > > I need netters' advice on my problem. The battery didn't charge, so I > charged it, and killed it in the process by overcharging it (hint). Now > the bike still didn't charge with the new battery, and it dies (seems > like there is no sparks in the spark plugs) while it is running. I > think there is a problem with the alternator, but before ripping it out > I 'd like to get a second opinion. TIA. Check all connections and the regulator first Daniel. Always start with the cheap stuff. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:33:16 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC Fuel Vapor Leaks > This sure sounds like it fits the symptoms surrounding the PC fuel vapor > smell problem (no visible leaks, onset after a couple of years, etc.)... > Has anyone tried replacing all the rubber fuel lines, and did it help?... I would try the clear vinil fuel lines. They seem to last longer and they are more resistant to permeability problems IMHO. (the also look cool :-D ). Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:39:59 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint? On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, CORY wrote: > Thinking of new colors?????????? > > Juan, you are my good friend, but if you even get near that beautiful, > 2" deep, fingernail-polish-red PC with a paint sprayer I might get > violent!! Not to worry my friend, it has been merely a mental exercise. I will actually wait 'till the paint is only 1" deep before I start getting quotes and paint numbers. > Better idea: Trade body panels w/ me, then paint it! Uh... let me think about ok? :-) > BTW, I read somewhere that an American PC owner was visiting Paris > and saw a brand new BLUE PC on the showroom floor at le Honda dealer. > I seem to remember that he said light blue, Sounds like a big easter egg on wheels to me... I think I'll pass on blue. >but I'm not sure about that, > it could have been just blue. Certainly different than red, white, black, > and "fingernail polish." .......wonder if there is any way to contact > American Honda and find out how many colors the thing has actually been > made in, world-wide? Let's try it! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:44:40 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint? Cory wrote: <> I was in Paris in Feb. and saw several PCs, including a beautiful metalic blue version. I like my basic black, but this looked great! My understanding, however, was that they were no longer being sold in France. Maybe they are again? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:44:42 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint? I like your idea, Neill. Good way to turn a negative into a positive. I have worried about night-time side visibility, too, and I got a Halo for my helmet. I recommend it. Cheap, looks good, reflects well. And the yellow is pretty visible on my black helmet in daylight, too. Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:44:44 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? Cassandra: I like it for a PC given the futuristic look of the bike and the skepticism with which most greet it. I don't mean to patronize anybody, but some might not know that Cassandra was a prophet in Greek mythology whom nobody believed. Of course, she was also murdered... [Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmets!] ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 00:02:34 -0400 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? In a message dated 95-06-08 23:57:06 EDT, you write: > >[Keep the rubber side down and don't sneeze in your helmets!] > This tagline reminds me of a thought I had after taking the MSF course. The instructor started the class with a discussion about some of the advantages and disadvantages of motorcycles. Many people came up with some of the obvious ones but nobody cited the advantage that you don't have to worry about farting on a motorcycle. Similarly nobody adressed the difficulties associated with picking your nose a light when you wear a helmet and gloves. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Advantages of motos (Was: plastic body care?) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 23:12:24 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III I reply against my better judgment... >>>>> "N" == NThompso writes: N> [...] you don't have to worry about farting on a motorcycle. You don't wear an Aerostich, I gather. In cool weather with all of the vents closed there's only one path for fumes to escape by: up the neck and into the helmet. N> Similarly nobody adressed the difficulties associated with picking your N> nose a light when you wear a helmet and gloves. Lord knows I've tried. Persistent nose itches have nearly been the end of me. Persistent end itches have nearly been the... Never mind. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:49:26 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: New paint? On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Johan Lai wrote: > Gee Juan, > > You didn't say you had a '90 PC. It's definitely not a good idea to go > from dark colors to light. I think you'd better do as Cory says. > Although blue does sound pretty good. I almost chose blue but I figured > it's safer to stay close to my base color. You are correct, sirrr! :-) Actually, the color that intrigues me the most is one that Chrysler started offering a bout a year ago on their LHS sedan. It is an iridescent (sp?) tan/copper/gold that is *very* hard to describe but quite atractive IMHO. The closer you look at it the better it looks, and if the paint on my PC looks 2" deep, this one rates at least 4". I can't remember what Chrysler calls it, and the paint samples on their brochures do *not* make it justice. Best bet is to visit your friendly neigborhood Chrysler/Dodge dealer to see if you can spot it "in the flesh". But, like I told Cory, this project is still at least two years in the future. Besides, if I paint my bike my wife will bean me because it won't match her red Maxim 550! :-) Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:02:19 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: plastic body care? On Thu, Jun 8, 1995 1:06:51 pm at Johan Lai wrote: >My original shield was just devoured by the UV. What sort of effect did this have? Cloudy, like a cataract? >As far as the fit around the edges, mine does that too. I thought I saw a >guy post on here saying to use hot water. That was from a repost I made of a post I saw on the ST1100 list. I think he was talking about dented palstic parts. In any case I haven't tried it, and make no recommendation. You might want to write to the original author for deatils. - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: plastic body care? Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:11:40 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "JB" == J Burach writes: >> guy post on here saying to use hot water. JB> That was from a repost I made of a post I saw on the ST1100 list. I JB> think he was talking about dented palstic parts. No, he was talking about the ST crash guards. The ST uses rubberized wedges of plastic for the crash guards instead of our hard plastic covers. The ST really is a completely different bike; the only thing it shares with the PC is the Honda name, two wheels and possibly an oil filter. It is misleading to simply repost messages from the ST list without explanation; I think anyone that is interested in ST things should just subscribe to the ST list as I do. I recall a suggestion here that the two lists should be merged; that had me rolling on the floor. You might as well merge it with the Shadow list, since the engines are nearly the same. So, to sum up: the ST engine guards may deform somewhat when the bike goes down; the hot water thing supposedly makes them pliable enough to bend hack into position. On the PC the guards are hard plastic and get scraped and possibly cracked. Hot water isn't going to help much, but some filing, sanding, and spraypainting might. A good question might be: How much do the PC crash guards cost? My dealer quoted me ~$40; there must be a cheaper price somewhere. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:06:36 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.ed, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Advice on installing a standard radio on motorcycle? Has anyone installed a standard radio in their bike? If so, where? Any tips? I'm thinking about attempting to install a car model. An apparently decent reconditioned "removeable" 50 watt AM/FM/CD model is available through DAMARK for about $150, *much* less than a J&M stereo. I've tentatively concluded that the kind with the removable faceplate doesn't provide enough security -- I'd be worried that someone would try to steal it or damage anyway if it were exposed (I'm in the big city.) What size speakers fit the cut-outs in the PC? This is not specified in the shop manual. Any other hints or advice greatly appreciated!! - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" (appropriated tagline) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:13:58 -0400 To: Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: plastic body care? On Fri, Jun 9, 1995 12:11:40 am at Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >A good question might be: How much do the PC crash guards cost? My dealer >quoted me ~$40; there must be a cheaper price somewhere. I've seen about $33-35. Try East Coast Warehouse. ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:44:19 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: New paint? On Thu, Jun 8, 1995 12:00:00 am at CORY wrote: >wonder if there is any way to contact >American Honda and find out how many colors the thing has actually been >made in, world-wide? And for that matter, how *many* have been made/sold period? ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 07:10:04 +0600 Fri, 9 Jun 1995 8:10:09 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: gunterrl@miavx5.muohio.edu (Ron Gunter) Subject: pc800: newbie I have been interested in the pc800 for a couple of years now. I finally got to ride a 1989 Wednesday. I like it a lot. I have 2 BMW's for sale and as soon as they're gone I think I will move on a pc800. A few questions if I may. There was a lot of heat coming out of the lower vents. Is there a fix for this? The dealer quoted $220 for a taller screen. Is there an aftermarket source for a taller screen and other accessories at a better paice? The bike I'm looking at has 4,100 miles. Are there things to be aware of? I have ridden BMW's since 1966 and know the in's and out's of those machines. If you experienced heads could advise me I would greatly appreciate it. BTW, I liked the pc800 a lot to switch from 29 years of BMWs. REV. RON GUNTER 1965 R60/2 (FROM BEASLY IN 1966) 1976 R75/6 1978 R100RS 1981 R100RT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 08:58:19 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Stealth edging >This combination [of winglets and edging] is PERFECT! Please tell me more about these winglets. What do they look like, how do they attach, where do I get them, and how much do they cost? I have an '89 with the origin (short) windshield, with stealth edging, and I get *terrible* wind noise in my RF-200 helmet; it's so loud it's distracting. I'm 5'8", but ride pretty upright, so I'm looking out well over the top of the windshield. Even with the edging, the slipstream hits me square in the middle of the helmet, and the roar is deafening. If I duck down about 3 inches, virtually all the noise goes away. Any hints on the winglet things will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: PC Fuel Vapor Leaks (from SETH@dsi.Coded.COM (SETH MILLER)) (at Thu, 08 Jun 1995 13:12:14 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:12:38 CST Hi SETH (SETH MILLER), in <77FBD63F01281E76@-SMF-> on Jun 08 you wrote: > (sound familiar?). The answer suggested replacement of all rubber fuel > lines, with the explanation that rubber fuel lines can age in a way that > permits the passage of fuel vapor, while still being impermeable to > liquids. > > This sure sounds like it fits the symptoms surrounding the PC fuel vapor > smell problem (no visible leaks, onset after a couple of years, etc.)... > Has anyone tried replacing all the rubber fuel lines, and did it have any > effect...? I was going to pull all the vacuum lines and check for restrictions, sounds like it's worth a try to replace the fuel lines. Thanks for the suggestion. Not sure when I'll be able to get to it, but I'll let you know the outcome. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Advantages of motos (Was: plastic body care?) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Thu, 08 Jun 1995 23:12:24 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:18:53 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9506090412.AA00347@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 08 you wrote: > I reply against my better judgment... :^) > N> Similarly nobody adressed the difficulties associated with picking your > N> nose a light when you wear a helmet and gloves. > > Lord knows I've tried. Persistent nose itches have nearly been the end of > me. Persistent end itches have nearly been the... Never mind. Fingerless bicycle gloves... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: New paint? (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Thu, 08 Jun 1995 15:38:01 -0600) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:29:49 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9506082237.AA15589@trg.trglink.com> on Jun 08 you wrote: > Speaking of repainting, I think I mentioned this a while back but some of > paint underneath and some of it came off leaving a very thin point in the > paint shaped alot like a run. In the end the effect was plenty acceptable. Kinda like when I repainted the tank on my old '69 CL90 with metalflake grey (replacing the metallic grey). I hung the tank front up to dry and the paint drooped very slightly such that the metalflake particles were oriented wrong just behing the little honda decals on each side. Resulted in that area turning a bit dark. I was pissed, but when I screwed the decals back on, it looked like a faint shadow behind them and was a pretty cool effect :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:33:53 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body care? Nthompso writes: >>nobody cited the advantage that you don't have to worry about farting on a motorcycle. Similarly nobody adressed the difficulties associated with picking your nose a light when you wear a helmet and gloves.<< Yeah, and what about the fact that you can sing your heart out without annoying anybody or (if you wear a full-face helmet) looking goofy? Although, I once got carried away and continued at full volume at a stoplight, attracting strange looks from a pickup truck (I was singing operatic music, too, so it must have been esp. weird). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:28:22 -0400 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: New paint? In a message dated 95-06-09 02:56:13 EDT, you write: > >And for that matter, how *many* have been made/sold period? > I once called American Honda and asked this question and was told that Honda does not release sales figures by model. I got to a public relations person who was not very helpful. I don't remember the name but I may have related the story here so that that info may be in the archives. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:25:33 -0400 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Happy Anniversary Since many of you are sucking down bandwidth from unaware employers (myself included!) and won't be in tomorrow, I thought I would jump the gun slightly and wish us all a happy first anniversary! According to my research, Jason sent out the first PC800 message one year ago tomorrow. Since that message, I have watched us grow to almost 70 subscribers. Pretty good for a hybrid bike that most motorcyclists seem to have a hard time taking seriously. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: plastic body care? On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, J. Burach wrote: > On Thu, Jun 8, 1995 1:06:51 pm at Johan Lai wrote: > > >My original shield was just devoured by the UV. > > What sort of effect did this have? Cloudy, like a cataract? The part of the UV coat that remained on the shield turned a clear yellow while the part where it had flaked off is clear. It kinda gives the effect of looking through a broken glass window. I've heard that some people just used ammonia to strip the rest of the UV coat off and just go without the coating. I don't know how long that bare plastic would last in the sun though. ...snip...snip... > - Jeff > > ----- > > "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" > ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:25:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: plastic body care? On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>>>> "JB" == J Burach writes: > > >> guy post on here saying to use hot water. > > JB> That was from a repost I made of a post I saw on the ST1100 list. I > JB> think he was talking about dented palstic parts. > > No, he was talking about the ST crash guards. The ST uses rubberized > wedges of plastic for the crash guards instead of our hard plastic covers. > The ST really is a completely different bike; the only thing it shares with > the PC is the Honda name, two wheels and possibly an oil filter. It is > misleading to simply repost messages from the ST list without explanation; > I think anyone that is interested in ST things should just subscribe to the > ST list as I do. I recall a suggestion here that the two lists should be > merged; that had me rolling on the floor. You might as well merge it with > the Shadow list, since the engines are nearly the same. > > So, to sum up: the ST engine guards may deform somewhat when the bike goes > down; the hot water thing supposedly makes them pliable enough to bend hack > into position. On the PC the guards are hard plastic and get scraped and > possibly cracked. Hot water isn't going to help much, but some filing, > sanding, and spraypainting might. > > A good question might be: How much do the PC crash guards cost? My dealer > quoted me ~$40; there must be a cheaper price somewhere. > > - J< > Thanks Jason for clearing it up for us. Sorry to everybody for starting a bad rumor :( If it were the crash guard, then $40 is peanuts compared to the other stuff. I can't remember now but I thought we were talking about the side panels not matching up. Oh, well. Got to go make my buck for the day. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Image Management Systems Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:32:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: pc800: newbie On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Ron Gunter wrote: > I have been interested in the pc800 for a couple of years now. I finally > got to ride a 1989 Wednesday. I like it a lot. I have 2 BMW's for sale and > as soon as they're gone I think I will move on a pc800. A few questions if > I may. > > There was a lot of heat coming out of the lower vents. Is there a fix for this? That's odd. I sometimes thought that there wasn't enough heat during colder days. Anybody else have this problem? > > The dealer quoted $220 for a taller screen. Is there an aftermarket source > for a taller screen and other accessories at a better paice? > That's about what I paid for mine. You may shave a few bucks on mail order but that's the right ball park. > The bike I'm looking at has 4,100 miles. Are there things to be aware of? Check under the covers. If it's been dropped, the metal guards underneath will give it away. Personally, I wouldn't buy a bike if it's been dropped because I'm paranoid. Since we've only got two wheels can you blame me :) > > I have ridden BMW's since 1966 and know the in's and out's of those > machines. If you experienced heads could advise me I would greatly > appreciate it. > I don't think you'll be disappointed Rev. Ron. > BTW, I liked the pc800 a lot to switch from 29 years of BMWs. > > > REV. RON GUNTER > 1965 R60/2 (FROM BEASLY IN 1966) > 1976 R75/6 > 1978 R100RS > 1981 R100RT > ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: Re: plastic body c Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:53:00 GMT To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: plastic body care? JL> As far as the fit around the edges, mine does that too. I thought I saw a JL> guy post on here saying to use hot water. I haven't tried it yet, JL> though. Since you've dropped it, you may want to make sure that no part o JL> the frame is bent or damaged. No use having a good looking bike and JL> then have it fall apart on you while you ride. I thought about painting but if the plastic started to go then why paint? If I just replaced the damaged plastic pieces it would be better but I have no idea how much it will cost. I would just replace all the plastic covers if a paint job is ~$800-1000. Just a thought. --- * SLMR 2.1a * Is a mechanized lobster a Servo Crustacean? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:06:22 PDT From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: plastic body c > * SLMR 2.1a * Is a mechanized lobster a Servo Crustacean? > Oh!! God that's painful!!!! :-) :-) Ramin Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:13:02 TZ Subject: RE: pc800: newbie Welcome to the group! | There was a lot of heat coming out of the lower vents. Is there a fix for this? It's possible the side vents are not in position properly. If you pop them off you'll notice they're designed on the inside to channel the air off the engine/pipes. If the parts inside are fitting well, might explain why your feeling it. Even on the hottest of days (90's in Seattle) I rarely feel the heat off the engine. Once your on the road moving, the hot air blows by outside your knees. On cold days I sometimes spread my legs wide (no jokes please) and warm them on the air stream. | The dealer quoted $220 for a taller screen. Is there an aftermarket source | for a taller screen and other accessories at a better paice? I bough a Rifle winshield mail order for $190 plus shipping. Totally different shape and you can specify how much taller than stock (mine is +4"). The shield is much more upright than stock. I have no complaints on styling and only occasionallly notice my key ring reflecting on the screen. Wind noise on the helmet is gone. They run ads regularly in the back of cycling magazines. | The bike I'm looking at has 4,100 miles. Are there things to be aware of? Change all the fluids when you get it, especially the drive shaft and the brake/clutch fluids. Do it again at the next service interval. Only costs a few bucks and you'll be ensuring things are clean. Where are you located? -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:36:41 +0600 Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: gunterrl@miavx5.muohio.edu (Ron Gunter) Subject: RE: pc800: newbie >Welcome to the group! > >| There was a lot of heat coming out of the lower vents. Is there a >fix for this? > >It's possible the side vents are not in position properly. If you pop >them off you'll notice they're designed on the inside to channel the >air off the engine/pipes. If the parts inside are fitting well, might >explain why your feeling it. Even on the hottest of days (90's in >Seattle) I rarely feel the heat off the engine. Once your on the road >moving, the hot air blows by outside your knees. On cold days I >sometimes spread my legs wide (no jokes please) and warm them on the >air stream. > >| The dealer quoted $220 for a taller screen. Is there an aftermarket source >| for a taller screen and other accessories at a better paice? > >I bough a Rifle winshield mail order for $190 plus shipping. Totally >different shape and you can specify how much taller than stock (mine is >+4"). The shield is much more upright than stock. I have no >complaints on styling and only occasionallly notice my key ring >reflecting on the screen. Wind noise on the helmet is gone. They run >ads regularly in the back of cycling magazines. > >| The bike I'm looking at has 4,100 miles. Are there things to be aware of? > >Change all the fluids when you get it, especially the drive shaft and >the brake/clutch fluids. Do it again at the next service interval. >Only costs a few bucks and you'll be ensuring things are clean. > >Where are you located? > >-bryceu >--------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 >--------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the reply. How hard is it to get to the innards? I have never seen the inside of one and I do like doing maintenance on bikes. I forgot to ask, is the handlebar adjustable at all. I sat on a coule and the bar was great. This one seems a bit forward. I am located in SW ohio, due west of Dayton. Ron REV. RON GUNTER 1965 R60/2 (FROM BEASLY IN 1966) 1976 R75/6 1978 R100RS 1981 R100RT ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: pc800: newbie (from gunterrl@miavx5.muohio.edu (Ron Gunter)) (at Fri, 09 Jun 1995 13:36:41 +0600) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 13:50:16 CST Hi Ron (Ron Gunter), in on Jun 09 you wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. How hard is it to get to the innards? I have never > seen the inside of one and I do like doing maintenance on bikes. > I forgot to ask, is the handlebar adjustable at all. I sat on a coule and > the bar was great. This one seems a bit forward. Speaking of handlebars, if anyone evers runs across a spare set of bar plastic (covers) real cheap (as in off a wrecked PC) I'd like to get my hands on them. I want to toy around with dropping the bars about 3.5". Main problems I see are getting the cut plastic to fit back together somehow and making sure I can still use the mirrors. Thanks Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:16:47 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: re: Rifle windshield +4 inches > I bough a Rifle winshield mail order for $190 plus shipping. Totally > different shape and you can specify how much taller than stock (mine is > +4"). The shield is much more upright than stock. I have no > complaints on styling and only occasionallly notice my key ring > reflecting on the screen. Wind noise on the helmet is gone. They run > ads regularly in the back of cycling magazines. How would you characterize the visual quality of this windshield and wind protection. Does it distort the view seen through the shield? -bob --------------------------------------------------- Robert Marks - rmarks@motown.ge.com - (609)722-3777 Home near Camden, NJ -89 Honda PC800, HRCA & AMA --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 12:18:44 TZ Subject: RE: pc800: newbie | | Thanks for the reply. How hard is it to get to the innards? I have never | seen the inside of one and I do like doing maintenance on bikes. It's actually not that tough. Spark plugs can be changed through the pop-off vents and oil is added/checked by removing the black cover next to your right foot. Hard part is getting a small enough oil filter wrench. The "tank" will need to come off for carb adjustments and that will require 2 screws to get the long sidepanels off, and 4 bolts for the "tank" looking cover. No valve adjustments necessary. Good thing as those are tough to get to. | I forgot to ask, is the handlebar adjustable at all. I sat on a coule and | the bar was great. This one seems a bit forward. No adjustments that I'm aware of. The bar is just bolted on and the plastic wrap covers it up. The cover next to the ignition pops off when you pull straight up. Nothing there but clamps. --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 12:58:36 TZ Subject: RE: re: Rifle windshield +4 inches | How would you characterize the visual quality of this windshield and | wind protection. Does it distort the view seen through the shield? The clarity is crystal clear. No distortion. My only complaint is that will will sometimes reflect the keychain under bright light. It's kinda like putting something on the dash in your car on a sunny day -- reflects right in your line of sight. I worked around it by getting a darker keychain and once in a while I adjust it to fold down the side of the clamp instead of on top. Noticed it alot at first but not much anymore. The Rifle shield is 2 pieces. The lower is fiberglass/plastic and colored black. RIFLE logo plate on the front. The lower is tall enough to fit the vent plus about 2 inches above that. Rifle says the lower is what allows them to get a better shield angle. The clear sheild bolts to the lower and has a wide foam tape that sticks over time to get a good seal and cut down on vibration, squeaks, etc. Good design in my opinion. The shape is straight up the sides, a rounded corner, and straight across the top. It's dished (almost the same as the dash above the speedo) and angled about 60 degrees or so. Width is from mirror to mirror. As I said, no complaints on the styling. The black color of the lower complements the pear white color of the bike. Wind? What wind? The airstream hit me right in the eyes with the stock shield. Now it's up over my head and a little bit pats me on the top of the helmet once in awhile. Only wind is on the forearms from what comes over the top of mirrors. The air pocket starts to collapse just behind me when riding 1-up and at 65+ speeds I can feel some pressure pushing me forward. It's as though someone was pushing me gently. When riding 2-up the pocket smooths out more and I've never had mention from the co-rider of the same sensation hitting her. She REALLY noticed and likes the RIFLE. Her comments were something like "I never noticed the engine and shifting before...". She also commented it's much more comfortable on the longer rides as the wind doesn't beat her up anymore. One big drawback is rain. As I must look through the windshield instead of over I'm stuck. Solved the problem with the Cycle Wiper, an honest to goodness windshield wiper. Stiffening the rear suspension is another option I've found if I need to look over the top. IMHO: Everyone should have one. -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: daniel.do@mogur.com (Daniel Do) Subject: Re: Re: plastic bo Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 18:30:00 GMT To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Re: plastic body care? Honda dealerships, auto parts, sells plastic finish (or wax) that claims to take out scratches. I believe they have some kind of coating in it. JL> The part of the UV coat that remained on the shield turned a clear yellow JL> while the part where it had flaked off is clear. It kinda gives the JL> effect of looking through a broken glass window. I've heard that some JL> people just used ammonia to strip the rest of the UV coat off and just go JL> without the coating. I don't know how long that bare plastic would last i JL> the sun though. JL> ...snip...snip... --- * SLMR 2.1a * The early worm deserves the bird ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:54:10 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Vent heat (was: newbie) On Fri, Jun 9, 1995 7:10:04 am at Ron Gunter wrote: >There was a lot of heat coming out of the lower vents. Is there a fix for this? The heat is not a problem. It doesn't blow on your legs, and the heat shielding actually works. In fact the only time I detect the vent heat is when I put my hand near the vent when the fan is running. Neill Thompson has a great idea for an adjustable vent to utilize the heat in cold weather for leg warming. Honda should *grab* this idea. I don't know how we could retrofit this concept, but visions of inserting closeable auto A/C vents come to mind. It would have to be done well though to make it worth messing with such a visible part of the bike. - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:59:00 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: re: Rifle windshield +4 inches On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Robert E. Marks wrote: > > I bough a Rifle winshield mail order for $190 plus shipping. Totally > > different shape and you can specify how much taller than stock (mine is > > +4"). The shield is much more upright than stock. I have no > > complaints on styling and only occasionallly notice my key ring > > reflecting on the screen. Wind noise on the helmet is gone. They run > > ads regularly in the back of cycling magazines. > > How would you characterize the visual quality of this windshield and > wind protection. Does it distort the view seen through the shield? > Hello Bob, I have the Rifle shield (+2) and the optical quality is better than the stock shields. It is a lot flatter with out all the compound curves. Other than the fit being a bit off, I really like mine. I also installed about 1 ft of stealth edging (thanks again Cory!) and though the effect was slight, no bug have hit my face shield since I installed it, so it must be working. Good luck, Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 14:32:35 TZ Subject: RE: re: Rifle windshield +4 inches Went for a ride at lunch. The top of the shield isn't straight as I said below. It's a gently arc across the top. Sides are straight. Width should have been written as mirror mount to mirror mount. -b ---------- | From: Bryce Ulrich | To: | Subject: RE: re: Rifle windshield +4 inches | Date: Friday, June 09, 1995 12:58PM | | | How would you characterize the visual quality of this windshield and | | wind protection. Does it distort the view seen through the shield? | | | The clarity is crystal clear. No distortion. My only | complaint is that will will sometimes reflect the keychain | under bright light. It's kinda like putting something on the | dash in your car on a sunny day -- reflects right in your line | of sight. I worked around it by getting a darker keychain and | once in a while I adjust it to fold down the side of the clamp | instead of on top. Noticed it alot at first but not much | anymore. | | The Rifle shield is 2 pieces. The lower is fiberglass/plastic | and colored black. RIFLE logo plate on the front. The lower | is tall enough to fit the vent plus about 2 inches above that. | Rifle says the lower is what allows them to get a better | shield angle. The clear sheild bolts to the lower and has a | wide foam tape that sticks over time to get a good seal and | cut down on vibration, squeaks, etc. Good design in my | opinion. The shape is straight up the sides, a rounded | corner, and straight across the top. It's dished (almost the | same as the dash above the speedo) and angled about 60 degrees | or so. Width is from mirror to mirror. | | As I said, no complaints on the styling. The black color of | the lower complements the pear white color of the bike. | | Wind? What wind? The airstream hit me right in the eyes with | the stock shield. Now it's up over my head and a little bit | pats me on the top of the helmet once in awhile. Only wind is | on the forearms from what comes over the top of mirrors. The | air pocket starts to collapse just behind me when riding 1-up | and at 65+ speeds I can feel some pressure pushing me forward. | It's as though someone was pushing me gently. When riding | 2-up the pocket smooths out more and I've never had mention | from the co-rider of the same sensation hitting her. She | REALLY noticed and likes the RIFLE. Her comments were | something like "I never noticed the engine and shifting | before...". She also commented it's much more comfortable on | the longer rides as the wind doesn't beat her up anymore. | | One big drawback is rain. As I must look through the | windshield instead of over I'm stuck. Solved the problem with | the Cycle Wiper, an honest to goodness windshield wiper. | Stiffening the rear suspension is another option I've found if | I need to look over the top. | | IMHO: Everyone should have one. | | -bryceu | --------------------------------------------------- | Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 | Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA | '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 | --------------------------------------------------- | | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:25:42 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: st1100@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Advice on installing a standard radio on motorcycle? Cross-posted to PC800 & ST1100 lists Has anyone installed a standard radio in their bike? If so, where? Any tips? I'm thinking about attempting to install a car model. An apparently decent reconditioned "removeable" 50 watt AM/FM/CD model is available through DAMARK for about $150, *much* less than a J&M stereo. I've tentatively concluded that the kind with the removable faceplate doesn't provide enough security -- I'd be worried that someone would try to steal it or damage anyway if it were exposed (I'm in the big city.) What size speakers fit the cut-outs in the PC800? This is not specified in the shop manual. Any other hints or advice greatly appreciated!! - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" (appropriated tagline) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:57 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Advice on installing a standard radio on motorcycle? I've been thinking through how to put a car AM/FM/Cass into my old tank bag. The similar system made by RKA is very nice, but starts at $600 ;'( One of the ones w/ 25 watts per channel should easily power a good set of helmet speakers like the Bass Monsters from Collett Electronics. RKA's system places the radio face up, making for a fairly tall tank bag. I'm looking to lay one flat in the bottom of the bag w/ the face toward the rear. I think the front could be mounted through the bag, just like mounting it into the dash of a car. Power wires soldered onto a polarized plug, and the speaker outputs to a little project box w/ plugs for helmet speakers. Should work, still just planning it out in my head. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jun 12 21:39:22 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:39:05 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary >Since many of you are sucking down bandwidth from unaware employers (myself >included!) and won't be in tomorrow, I thought I would jump the gun slightly >and wish us all a happy first anniversary! According to my research, Jason >sent out the first PC800 message one year ago tomorrow. Since that message, >I have watched us grow to almost 70 subscribers. Pretty good for a hybrid >bike that most motorcyclists seem to have a hard time taking seriously. sorry have ridden many a bike in my days this is no hybrid this an evolutionary needed jump of a cycle for use 365 days a yaer riders to work who need dry safe places to carry skads of stuff ?? is there any better security on the trunk ...love to hear some ideas {88} ey E.Y. MurphEY School District of Haverford Township 1801 Darby Rd. Havertown, PA 'within everything is the seed of it's apparent contradiction...by understanding their tension and balance, truth can be found" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary (from ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY)) (at Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:39:05 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 22:18:48 CST Hi E.Y. (E.Y. MurphEY), in <199506130239.WAA08625@forum.swarthmore.edu> on Jun 12 you wrote: > this is no hybrid > this an evolutionary needed jump of a cycle for use 365 days a yaer riders > to work who need dry safe places to carry skads of stuff I was paying the cashier at the gas station this afternoon... (cashier) 'You didn't put $11.60 worth of gas in that motorcycle did you?' (me) 'No, the first 5 gallons went in the gas can for my tractor. I figured it was a good time to top off the bike too.' On the way 'home' (I'm building a house) with the gas can strapped comfortably on the passenber seat, I got to thinking about all the crap I've been hauling in my poor PC since I started this house... When I got back to the job site, I opened the trunk. Inventory: 1 skil saw 1 chainsaw chain 1 box of cookies 2 bread 'sticks' 1 box of Nutragrain bars 3 quart bottles of wet stuff for quenching my thirst on a hot San Antonio afternoon 1 camera 1 box of ear plugs (used) 1 9 track USGS tape (I'm working part time now at work while building) 2 pair of sunglasses 1 bike U-lock 1 rain suit 1 1.5" ID water hose for the tractor 1 set of Moen shower valve o-rings 1 set of house plans 1 set of drawing/measuring utensils 1 25 foot steel tape 1 chalk box 1 change of clothes 1 pair of work shoes and socks 2 pair channelocks 1 cresent wrench 1 pvc tube cutter 1 tire gauge 1 Grainger's catalog assorted work related reading material 1 Honda tool kit 1 Honda owner's manual loose change I panicked!!! This resembles my wife's purse@!@! :^) (Never, Never insert your hand into my wife's purse, it's booby-trapped) PC800 is the mini-truck of motorcycles... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:03:39 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary >Hi E.Y. (E.Y. MurphEY), in <199506130239.WAA08625@forum.swarthmore.edu> on Jun >12 you wrote: > >> this is no hybrid >> this an evolutionary needed jump of a cycle for use 365 days a yaer riders >> to work who need dry safe places to carry skads of stuff > >I was paying the cashier at the gas station this afternoon... >(cashier) 'You didn't put $11.60 worth of gas in that motorcycle > did you?' >(me) 'No, the first 5 gallons went in the gas can for my > tractor. I figured it was a good time to top off > the bike too.' > >On the way 'home' (I'm building a house) with the gas can strapped >comfortably on the passenber seat, I got to thinking about all the >crap I've been hauling in my poor PC since I started this house... >When I got back to the job site, I opened the trunk. Inventory: > >1 skil saw >1 chainsaw chain >1 box of cookies >2 bread 'sticks' >1 box of Nutragrain bars >3 quart bottles of wet stuff for quenching my thirst on a hot San > Antonio afternoon >1 camera >1 box of ear plugs (used) >1 9 track USGS tape (I'm working part time now at work while building) >2 pair of sunglasses >1 bike U-lock >1 rain suit >1 1.5" ID water hose for the tractor >1 set of Moen shower valve o-rings >1 set of house plans >1 set of drawing/measuring utensils >1 25 foot steel tape >1 chalk box >1 change of clothes >1 pair of work shoes and socks >2 pair channelocks >1 cresent wrench >1 pvc tube cutter >1 tire gauge >1 Grainger's catalog >assorted work related reading material >1 Honda tool kit >1 Honda owner's manual >loose change > >I panicked!!! This resembles my wife's purse@!@! :^) >(Never, Never insert your hand into my wife's purse, it's >booby-trapped) > >PC800 is the mini-truck of motorcycles... > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu well I think the landrover of motorcycles gives a better image this will be where all good cycles will finally evalove to we're just a bit ahaed of our time we ride on the wings (get it honda wings) of evolution while the rest of the crowd potatpotata's its way up the road PC 800 = premier cycle ain't shukn' give it ABS and it's perfect {88} ey E.Y. MurphEY School District of Haverford Township 1801 Darby Rd. Havertown, PA 'within everything is the seed of it's apparent contradiction...by understanding their tension and balance, truth can be found" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:56:29 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: better security on the trunk? On Mon, Jun 12, 1995 10:39:05 pm at E.Y. MurphEY wrote: >is there any better security on the trunk ...love to hear some ideas I wish the gas filler door were made of metal, rather tahn plastic. Then it might make sense to reinforce with a higher security lock. As it now stands, it seems that anyone with a screwdriver can get into the trunk via the gas filler door *if* they know the opener is located there. It seems so far the best security feature is stealth -- most people don't seem to realize how much stuff (eg helmets) can be there. I am going to try adding a proximity sensor (microwave field detector, $30 option) to the alarm I'm about to install. - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 02:46:36 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: PC 800 For Sale Los Angeles (fwd) -------- Forwarded News article -------- Group: rec.motorcycles ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: shershfield@greywest.uucp.netcom.com (Sam Hershfield) Subject: PC 800 For Sale Date: Tue, Jun 13, 1995 2:44:30 am '89 Pacific Coast-new Works Performance shocks and springs-31K miles-cruise control-tall touring windshield-new battery-great condition-Los Angeles location-anything over $4000. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:46:02 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: better security on the trunk? Howdy from Nova Scotia, Canada. Bought my '89 two years ago, got 10,000 kms on it or so, about equal city and country. I'm 6', and I put the tallest Rifle windshield on it about a year ago, and like it a lot, especially with Rain Away stuff that makes even tiny droplets of rain bead and roll off. Haven't had the covers off to do any wrenching so I appreciate the pictures. I'll do some replies to the discussions in the archives later, but: On Mon, Jun 12, 1995 10:39:05 pm at E.Y. MurphEY wrote: >is there any better security on the trunk ...love to hear some ideas I'd like to replace the under-hatch lever with an electric opener operated from an ignition circuit + a dash button, or a button on a keychain. The little dance you have to do with the key to get the trunk open and closed again looks more silly than it should. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary (from ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY)) (at Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:03:39 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 08:58:28 CST Hi E.Y. (E.Y. MurphEY), in <199506130403.AAA17920@forum.swarthmore.edu> on Jun 13 you wrote: (I wrote) > >PC800 is the mini-truck of motorcycles... > > well I think the landrover of motorcycles gives a better image The problem with 'landrover' is that the pc ain't worth **** off a paved road... Believe me, that house I'm building has a .2 mile dirt road that climbs up a pretty steep hill. going up is fairly interesting. going down is REAL interesting. :^( Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 10:50:32 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Happy Anniversary >...the pc ain't worth **** off a paved road... I concur. I recently had to traverse a parking lot covered with about 4 inches of gravel. Made it without incident, but the bike had my full and undivided attention! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:48:52 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re[2]: Happy Anniversary Someone writes: >>...the pc ain't worth **** off a paved road... Ha ha. When I first got my PC, I took it to a neighbouring town to show to a friend. As I was driving into town, I saw him walking with a couple bags of groceries, so I stopped and invited him to put the bags in *the* *trunk* and we'd drive the mile or so back to his house. He said, "well, you can take the main road, but it's shorter via the back way." So we headed off on the back way. A few blocks later I saw that the back street led to the railroad tracks and that there was a mud track beside them. "Lots of cycles drive along it," said my buddy, "I watch them out my back window." At this point, convenience and pride got in the way of sense (common or un) and I started creeping along the track. As soon as both wheels got on the mud the 800 gracefully slid on its side into a particularly deep and squishy puddle and the groceries clanked around in the trunk. "Oh, I guess most of the bikes I see are mud bikes," said my buddy. "Well, this is one now." I replied. I ordered the new rollbar covers the next day. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca NOC Manager, NSTN Operations Centre 902-494-danm Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. NSTN is Canada's Internet Navigator! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 12:37:08 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Happy Anniversary On Tue, Jun 13, 1995 12:48:52 pm at Daniel MacKay wrote: >As soon as both wheels got on the mud the 800 >gracefully slid on its side into a particularly deep and squishy puddle and >the groceries clanked around in the trunk. > >"Oh, I guess most of the bikes I see are mud bikes," said my buddy. I guess if I want a *true* mongrel, I could put off-road tires on my PC :-) ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: A More Secure Trunk To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:40:53 CST To those wishing for a more secure access door to the trunk lever, do me a favor. Go out to the left side of your PC, reach down and pull the frontmost part of the seat away from the bike slightly. Then come back and tell me what you saw. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:22:46 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: A More Secure Trunk >To those wishing for a more secure access door to the trunk lever, >do me a favor. Go out to the left side of your PC, reach down and >pull the frontmost part of the seat away from the bike slightly. >Then come back and tell me what you saw. :^) > >Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute >Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > I noticed that I need not worry about what to do if I should ever be so stupid as to lock my keys in the trunk. I also noticed a gasoline smell that I have never noticed before. I usually park in a covered but not enclosed space and so perhaps I too have the smelly PC syndrome and never knew it. It was about 30 minutes after riding when I ran down to check the trunk riddle. The bike was still warm. I have a '94 with about 7800 miles and it has been regularly and recently serviced by Honda dealerships. I am in Phoenix, Arizona and it is possible that drying out of hoses and such may be accelerated in this climate. As an aside, my girlfriend and I took a short ride last weekend to Casa Grande. Casa Grande you may recognize because it is frequently the hot spot in the nation. Chrysler and GM both have proving grounds near there presumably because it is a prime location to test response to extreme conditions. But as we say here in Arizona, "It's a dry heat!" Anyway, it was hot. My girlfriend was riding her Yamaha FZR600. She had always complained about being uncomfortable on longish rides but this time it was something new. The heat off of the engine came up and she got a first degree burn on the underside of her wrist. She complained about the wind pressure at highway speeds and the noise of course! I began to think how spoiled we PC riders are with our little complaints about having to duck behind the windshield to cut the noise to practically nothing. At least we have a windshield big enough to duck behind! We complain about not being able to duct the heat from the engine toward us when it's cold and overlook how completely the heat is ducted away from us when it is hot. In short I really got a new appreciation for the ergonomics of our bike. She can leave me in the dust pulling away from a light but remember the tortise and the hare. BTW, we were going to the outlet stores in Casa Grande and while we were shopping our two full face helmets were locked in my trunk and when we left, I carried a couple of outfits of her's, a new pair of high tops for me, a piece of Corning ware for the kitchen and all the usual junk. Not quite as impressive as Kent's inventory but a workhorse none-the-less. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:25 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Happy Anniversary Kent, Thanks for the description of your PC trunk contents. It made me laugh, I needed that! Pretty scary what one of the things can cart. Careful about that purse thing, though. It's bad enough being called a cross between a Porta-Pottie and a plastic soap dish! Don't let the "purse on two wheels" idea get outside of this group or we'll never hear the end of it. :'} Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 14 11:35:55 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: better security on the trunk? Interesting thought! Our secretary here at the office has a '93 S-10 Blazer w/ the (factory) remote control thingie on her keys. In addition to the normal door locks, she can also push a button to pop the back window. I wonder how big the whole unit is and if it could be adapted for PC trunk use? Hmmmmmmmmmm................ Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 14 11:46:05 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: A More Secure Trunk (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:22:46 -0600) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:44:57 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9506141622.AA24733@trg.trglink.com> on Jun 14 you wrote: > >To those wishing for a more secure access door to the trunk lever, [...] > >Then come back and tell me what you saw. :^) > > > I noticed that I need not worry about what to do if I should ever be so > stupid as to lock my keys in the trunk. Exactly :^) Easier and quicker than prying the door off. > I also noticed a gasoline smell > that I have never noticed before. I usually park in a covered but not > enclosed space and so perhaps I too have the smelly PC syndrome and never > knew it. It was about 30 minutes after riding when I ran down to check the > trunk riddle. The bike was still warm. I have a '94 with about 7800 miles > and it has been regularly and recently serviced by Honda dealerships. I am > in Phoenix, Arizona and it is possible that drying out of hoses and such may > be accelerated in this climate. Ok, you're on the list. Makes 5 of us so far. I think I"ll wait for a few more before I try to officially contact Honda. I'm still waiting for my backordered MEZ. When it comes in I'll be picking up some fuel line and replacing everything. My local moto shop agrees with the possibility of the fuel line deteriorating. They can't track what is used on machines manuf. overseas and is typically not up to U.S. standards. He has some Good Stuff (tm) they use for replacement. If it makes any difference, I'll be sure and post the results. > conditions. But as we say here in Arizona, "It's a dry heat!" Anyway, it I'm a bit familiar with Arizona heat as we used to visit grandparents every summer out running a desert orchard just north of the Sun mountains and I've made a few runs on the bike down I10/I8 in the summer, but you ought to try Del Rio, Texas when it's 110 degrees and 100% humidity. You can sit, you can run, you can hide; there's no escape. Nothing works to keep you cool on a bike. At least in AZ you can pour a little water over you and yank the throttle. High-humidity deserts are pretty weird... > quite as impressive as Kent's inventory but a workhorse none-the-less. The trunk wasn't even full with my list, and it's got a few more things in there today :^) PC800: The Minitruck of Motorcycles! Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:46 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Mud Bog PC? I can understand about the off-road tires. Going the 1/2 mile to get out of my Alaskan subdivision in the spring can be a unique experience! The highways are all bare and calling so loudly..........the PC sits there in the garage whining for me to take it out..........the temperature gets up to 40 or better.........and if I'm willing to push it out to the highway, the riding would be wonderful! Nobody seems to make studded tires for the thing :'( Last spring the temptation got too great and one of the rides out resulted in a broken mirror :'(.........expensive sucker..... Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 14 11:48:46 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34 -0800) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:47:35 CST Hi CORY (CORY), in <9506141635.AA13844@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 14 you wrote: > window. I wonder how big the whole unit is and if it could be adapted > for PC trunk use? Hmmmmmmmmmm................ You better shield access from under the seat first. Or do you mean to remove the whole trunk release cable and use the remote unit entirely. Interesting thought... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: Re: Happy Anniversary (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:25 -0800) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:55:04 CST Hi CORY (CORY), in <9506141626.AA13609@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 14 you wrote: > Careful about that purse thing, though. It's bad enough being called a > cross between a Porta-Pottie and a plastic soap dish! Don't let the > "purse on two wheels" idea get outside of this group or we'll never hear > the end of it. :'} But that's the whole idea. If you can't laugh at it, you aren't gonna be able to hold up when a bunch of bikers start in on you. Listen to the voice of experience here... :^) Of course it helped a little that I had it redlined and was scraping the pegs when I passed 'em. :^O (oh no, Mr. Bill! Them net.weenies are gonna hang ya for that one) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:17 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Happy Anniversary Kent, Not a problem, dude. (guess you missed the :'} at the end) I've been a PC ovner since '91. I've got thick skin. Along that line, an interesting story for you........ I was thoroughly pleased earlier this year. I was teaching an MSF ERC course and one of the riders ran out of gas. He was a pretty good rider and had been doing a good job putting his HARLEY through the exercises. We waited a while for more gas to come, but finally, rather than hold everyone else up any longer, I asked him if he wanted to finish up the range exercises on the PC. This guy seemed the "typical" Harley Dude, fairly friendly, but absolutely sure about what is the only True Ride. I jokingly told him that I wouldn't tell anybody he'd been on a Honda, and that, what the heck, atleast it's a V-Twin! He rode up and down the range a few times to get the feel and started to get a big smile on his face. He'd been a good rider before, but the exercises he did on the PC were far smoother than what he'd done on the American Iron. Later, after he got his bike gassed up, mine was sitting way over on the other end of the range where his had been when he ran out of gas. I was about to go and get it, but he insisted on walking over to get it himself. He quietly said to me; "No, man, let me go get it, I really like riding your bike." Needless to say, I was about two feet off the ground for the rest of the day! :'} Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 14 13:31:12 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:29 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? Kent, Sure, why not just sub the whole thing? I'd probably want to hide a couple of wires connected to the battery just in case it needs a jump before it'll even have enough juice to pop the lid. Other than that........... Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 14 13:59:42 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 10:29 -0800) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 13:58:33 CST Hi CORY (CORY), in <9506141831.AA16833@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 14 you wrote: > Sure, why not just sub the whole thing? I'd probably want to hide a couple > of wires connected to the battery just in case it needs a jump before it'll > even have enough juice to pop the lid. Other than that........... That's what I'm thinking... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:26:08 PDT From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34 -0800 > From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) > Subject: RE: better security on the trunk? > To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > > Interesting thought! Our secretary here at the office has a '93 S-10 > Blazer w/ the (factory) remote control thingie on her keys. In addition > to the normal door locks, she can also push a button to pop the back > window. I wonder how big the whole unit is and if it could be adapted > for PC trunk use? Hmmmmmmmmmm................ > > Cory > Cory, Probably so. Check with a real reputable car audio dealer in your area with regard to installing an alarm system with an auxiliary output capable of driving a solenoid actuated trunk/hood lock. They should be easily adaptable. When I left the electronics retail industry 3 years ago, the lock units were relatively compact (small enough to be hidden under the hood of modern cars). Once installed, you too can have one of those "remote control thingie"s on your key-chain. -Ramin (I don't own a PC but my girlfriend wants one bad!) Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:24:34 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Harley dude likes rice burner with trunk! >Along that line, an interesting story for you........ I was thoroughly... I read your story to my girlfriend and she said you're making that up! Couldn't happen, no way! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:44:54 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, CORY wrote: > Interesting thought! Our secretary here at the office has a '93 S-10 > Blazer w/ the (factory) remote control thingie on her keys. In addition > to the normal door locks, she can also push a button to pop the back > window. I wonder how big the whole unit is and if it could be adapted > for PC trunk use? Hmmmmmmmmmm................ Yo Cory! Better make sure your battery never goes down, or you'll be in a pickle! :-) Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:03:23 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Ramin Keyvan wrote: > > to the normal door locks, she can also push a button to pop the back > > window. I wonder how big the whole unit is and if it could be adapted > > for PC trunk use? Hmmmmmmmmmm................ > When I left the electronics retail industry 3 years ago, the lock units were > relatively compact (small enough to be hidden under the hood of modern cars). > > Once installed, you too can have one of those "remote control thingie"s on > your key-chain. Do you guy suppose that two solenoids would be needed? If I remember correctly, there are two latches for the trunk. (I suspect because of the stress the passenger grips are subject to when lifting the bike on the centerstand). Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:20:58 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: pc800: newbie On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Bryce Ulrich wrote: > | > | Thanks for the reply. How hard is it to get to the innards? I have never > | seen the inside of one and I do like doing maintenance on bikes. > > It's actually not that tough. Spark plugs can be changed through the > pop-off vents Don't forget the plugs for the rear cylinder! For those you have to remove the side (waist) panels. > and oil is added/checked by removing the black cover next > to your right foot. Hard part is getting a small enough oil filter wrench. I had good luck finding this tool @ NAPA Auto parts (sorry, don't remember the part number :-( } ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:25:15 TZ Subject: Re: RE: better security on the trunk? | Do you guy suppose that two solenoids would be needed? If I remember | correctly, there are two latches for the trunk. (I suspect because of the | stress the passenger grips are subject to when lifting the bike on the | centerstand). I suppose not. If the solenoid could pull on the release cable somewhere, it would release both latches. The two latches on the truck are both linked, via cable, to the main cable running to the release lever. I bought a remote release for one of my old cars but never put it in. The way it operated was that when the button was pushed, a small motor spun a wire cable looped through a hole drilled in the trunk latch. The spinning shorted the wire and pulled the latch. Imagine a short loop of string connecting two points and one end spins which shorts the connection. Releasing the button relaxed the small motor and the wire naturally straightened itself thanks to the spring on the latch. You guys have got me thinking now.... -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:38:24 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: better overall security? Talking abot security, Cory and I were discussing that the area under the fuel filler door is an excellent spot to locate an ignition cut-off switch. Cheap but effective, yes? Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: pc800: newbie (from Juan Goula ) (at Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:20:58 -0800 (AKDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 22:10:15 CST Hi Juan (Juan Goula), in on Jun 14 you wrote: > > and oil is added/checked by removing the black cover next > > to your right foot. Hard part is getting a small enough oil filter wrench. > > I had good luck finding this tool @ NAPA Auto parts (sorry, don't remember > the part number :-( } I mentioned this a while back, but a pair of 440 Channelocks works better than any filter wrench I've tried on that size filter. They fit easily, the filter spins right off, and you get to use them for a lot more than just pulling filters off of one vehicle. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:39:17 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Oil filter changes Hello folks. I've had my '89 for 3 years now and I've almost always changed the filter by hand. Wearing rubber kitchen gloves, I can get a very good grip and usually get sufficient torque to spin the filter. I've heard that filters should only be hand tight anyway, and I've never had oil loss, so it seems to work. This doesn't always get the filter loose, however, so as a backup I have a filter cap (the doohickie that fits over the end of filters) that I bought at some parts store. It has a fitting on the end like a 12mm bolt so I can turn it with the wrench in the tool kit or a socket. I think our filter is the same size as for many Japanese cars so I don't think it would be hard to find. I'd like to echo the comments of many others that the PC is the great "do everything" (almost) motorcycle. I love the convenience, low maintenance and comfort. I call it a GoldWing light--everything you want in a Wing, but less. I haven't had any real problems, though I'm trying to fix some body damage myself and can't get the paint matched. My dealer sold me "matching" paint from Color Rite, but the warm grey color doesn't match, it's too purely silver. They've exchanged the spray bottle once, and I'm going to ask them to do it again. I'm about at my wits end. Does anyone think a good paint or body shop could color match the paint somehow? Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Oil filter changes Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:44:54 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "J" == JeffHamltn writes: J> Hello folks. I've had my '89 for 3 years now and I've almost always J> changed the filter by hand. Wearing rubber kitchen gloves, I can get a J> very good grip and usually get sufficient torque to spin the J> filter. Yeah, well, last shop that did my service used a damn breaker bar or something. Nothing would get the filter off; I broke a couple of good screwdrivers getting it off after the channellocks did nothing more than rip through the end. Speaking of filters, does anyone know of a good mail order place to get them? I'm in no mood to support my local dealer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:22:24 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: GoldWing Lite ==> Silver Wing On Thu, Jun 15, 1995 1:39:17 am at JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: >I'd like to echo the comments of many others that the PC is the great "do >everything" (almost) motorcycle. I love the convenience, low maintenance and >comfort. I call it a GoldWing light--everything you want in a Wing, but less. It's been suggested that if Honda transplants the appellation "Silver Wing" onto the PC, the bike would sell like hotcakes. I agree. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:02:15 -0400 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Leg warmer ducts? Neill Thompson writes: >Someone once suggested this to me and I thought it would be a great idea if >you could open and close a vent just forward of your shins which would >direct/restrict the engine warmth toward/away from the rider. This is a great idea. The existing ducts are so easy to remove and replace that I was also thinking of something I could make and paint that would just replace the duct with one that ducted the air to behind the fairing. Properly designed, they could nest and live in the trunk when not in use. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca NOC Manager, NSTN Operations Centre 902-494-danm Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. NSTN is Canada's Internet Navigator! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 08:43:07 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: A More Secure Trunk >But as we say here in Arizona, "It's a dry heat!"... On a business trip once, I left Minneapolis on a 55 degree day and flew to Phoenix where it was 106 in the shade. The guy I met said "Yeah, it's hot, but it's a dry heat". I replied: "Listen, bub... it may be dry outside, but under my shorts it's 100%!!!" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:53:17 -0400 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Hello from another PC800 owner Howdy. Name: Daniel MacKay Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, on the east coast of Canada Email: daniel@nstn.ca PC Model year (if you have one): 89 Bought Used/New: used Modifications made to bike: tall Rifle windshield, bigger handgrips. I bought my bike about two years ago from a telco technician, someone I see at work and also at the bike meets on Thursday nights here. I'd been bugging him for a year or so to sell his pearl '89 PC, and he said when he found something he liked better, I could give him that much money and the PC would be mine. He found a '58 LaVarda for 4500$Cdn and we had a deal. He had bought, but not installed, the Bra (which I haven't installed either) and his dealer had scuffed a couple of the rollbar covers and he had gotten replacements, but never installed them. The paper edition of the shop manual for the PC800 is rediculously expensive in Canada, and he had a microfiche reader he could, ahem, borrow from work, so he threw in the manual on microfiche, and the two-fiche microfiche reader too. Like Bill Wagaman, I'd been riding a Helix 250, kind of a scooter seedling of a PC (top speed about 120km/h, fine for highway driving) for about five years, 30,000km, before that, and it has the automatic variable-width-pulley transmission, part of an extremely reliable powertrain, and I was used, when making a turn from a stop, to leaning the bike way over, then popping the throttle open and taking off rather dramatically. Not used to shifting and clutch, neutral, blah blah. So a few days after getting the bike I was sitting at the stopsign on the way home from work, a gaggle of my co-workers at the crosswalk also waiting for traffic to clear. It did, and I did shoulderchecks and leaned the bike over dramatically, ready to zoom around the corner. And discovered that it was in neutral. Plop. It hit on the rollbars and mirror which promptly popped off. When I red-facedly pulled the bike back up it hung revoltingly by its safety cable and I imagined a vehicle propelled entirely by humiliation. The bike had never been washed when I bought it; Dave only drove it on clement days, and dusted it when he got it back to his garage. The scratches on the mirror and rollbar covers were quite obvious to anyone walking by. The next day one of my 56K data lines failed at work and I called in a trouble on it. A few minutes later Dave called back, and I explained the problem, and would he do some work on it. "No," he said, "you broke my bike." -- Riding: I've been riding a variety of Hondas for 15 years, I tend to have rather bad luck in cars, so I'm on the bike whenever possible. Riding season in Nova Scotia runs from mid-April, when it's wet, to about the end of December; temperature goes below freezing but the roads are dry, then it turns to a nasty slushy mess for a few months. On weekends I do daytrips and a few motorcycle camping trips a year with my SO on a Magna V30. Although with the G7 Summit in Halifax, he's been taking his employee to work, and she was afraid of getting grease on her clothes, so he's been driving my PC instead, and it's possible that I won't get it back- I'm driving the Helix. I'd like to do a big trip, cross continent perhaps, and am looking at September. -- Wrenching: I do my own wrenching -- just rebuilt the gearbox in the Helix -- but there hasn't been any work to do on the PC except oil changes, and the first time, I swore I would sell the bike before ever trying to get that *fucking* filter off again. Have replaced: front tire, rollbar covers and one mirror cover. Mirror cover was rediculously expensive. When it was time for a new front tire, I drove over to the shop, planning to take the wheel off the bike myself. But I needed something to block up the front of the bike, so I carefully put my new Shoei helmet, with a tiny rag to keep it from scratching, under the engine block, and took the wheel into the shop. My sales guy wandered out to see what I was doing. "The warranty on your helmet, sir," he said, "has expired." During the winter, the seat got soaked with rain, and it partially froze. When I sat on it, it squished out and froze that way, and when I opened the trunk I broke a little corner off the trunk cover when I opened it. Grrrr. I put the tall Rifle windshield on it last fall, I like it a lot. With Rain-Away(tm) the rain just bounces off and the bugs clean off easily too. Would like: - an amp and speakers so I can put my Minidisc player in the dash. - foot pegs off or hung from the front rollbars for all day driving. I sometimes drive with my feet on them but they're not quite wide enough and if I do it often they'll get scratched up. - throttle lock - electric trunk release. Anyway, that's it. Read about pc800@ in rec.motorcycles. Coming up: a couple tips, from someone who's been driving plastic skinned bikes most of his life. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:08:35 -0400 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Dan's plastic-skin bike tip No.1 Tip de jour, from someone who's driven plastic-skinned bikes most of his life: Get some plastic polish for the bike, both body and screen. I buy mine at a place that fabricates things out of plexiglass; it's like rubbing compound except way finer (the plastic your bike's made of, is softer than car paint). The polish you want is the last one they use on a piece of plexiglass to give it that real lustre. The bike has to be perfectly clean or you'll scratch it; this polish won't take out any scratches (you need a larger number polish for that) it just makes the finish gleam. Also can be used for removing shoe scuffs. The stuff I use is Plastic Polish No. 2, from Novus Inc., 10425 Hampshire Ave S, Minneapolis, Minn, 55438. I buy mine at Cadillac Plastic, here in Halifax, 902-468-7732. For actual scratches and hazing, they recommend polish No. 3. No. 1 does just cleaning. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:12:31 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: A More Secure Trunk Kent wrote: >>PC800: The Minitruck of Motorcycles!<< Funny. I've been calling it the station wagon of motorcycles (especially to my nervous mother). I guess I'm also in danger of hurting our cool image (like whoever it was with the purse analogy). ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:44:25 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Oil filter changes >My dealer sold me "matching" paint... but the warm grey color doesn't match... >Does anyone think a good paint or body shop could color match the paint >somehow? Honda sells touchup paint that matches exactly. My local dealer had the Pearl color in stock, and got the silver in about a week. It's around $6 for a small bottle (~2 oz.) with a cute little built-in, pop-out brush. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: A More Secure Trunk (from JeffHO@aol.com) (at Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:12:31 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 10:16:36 CST Hi JeffHO (JeffHO), in <950615091230_95364702@aol.com> on Jun 15 you wrote: > Kent wrote: > >>PC800: The Minitruck of Motorcycles!<< > > Funny. I've been calling it the station wagon of motorcycles (especially to > my nervous mother). I guess I'm also in danger of hurting our cool image > (like whoever it was with the purse analogy). That was me, too. What, you guys going to blacklist me for tarnishing the PC's image now? :^) Hey, it's just great transportation for me. If I was after looks... Heck, I don't have time to shop for looks. :^( PC800: The Minitruck of Motorcycles! Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: better overall security? On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Juan Goula wrote: > Talking abot security, Cory and I were discussing that the area under the > fuel filler door is an excellent spot to locate an ignition cut-off > switch. Cheap but effective, yes? > > Juan > I doubt that the electronics could hold up to minor gas spills though, unless you wrap it in saran wrap. What about the small space between the fairing on the left side and the radiator? ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: better overall security? On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Juan Goula wrote: > Talking abot security, Cory and I were discussing that the area under the > fuel filler door is an excellent spot to locate an ignition cut-off > switch. Cheap but effective, yes? > > Juan > Oh, I forgot to mention that the people who installed my alarm mounted the cpu in the trunk against the front wall (closest to rider) and put the siren under the seat next to the gas tank. They did have to shave off part of the cone area. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:31:36 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: better overall security? On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Johan Lai wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Juan Goula wrote: > > > Talking abot security, Cory and I were discussing that the area under the > > fuel filler door is an excellent spot to locate an ignition cut-off > > switch. Cheap but effective, yes? > > > > Juan > > > > I doubt that the electronics could hold up to minor gas spills though, > unless you wrap it in saran wrap. What about the small space between the > fairing on the left side and the radiator? No electronics, just electrics. A simple, heavy duty weather proof toggle switch (like those on snowmobiles) should be enough to deter a casual joy rider that tries to hotwire it. A pro... well, you know what they say. If they want it, they'll get it. The issue of a gas spill might change Cory's mind about installing the headlamp modulator behind that little faux bulkhead though. Cory? Talking about carrying stuff in the trunk, anyone turnred a PC into the ultimate Party Machine? Carry the hors d'ouvres on one side of the trunk (a little blendr would fit in there too) and the other side carry the drinks (soda, beer, whatever) and top it off with ice. A rolling cooler! :-) Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:02 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Harley dude likes rice burner with trunk! I swear, with my hand on the sacred Honda emblem of my PC, it's true! Cory From owner-pc800 Thu Jun 15 16:59:35 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:01:39 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: better overall security? > >Talking about carrying stuff in the trunk, anyone turnred a PC into the >ultimate Party Machine? Carry the hors d'ouvres on one side of the trunk >(a little blendr would fit in there too) and the other side carry the >drinks (soda, beer, whatever) and top it off with ice. A rolling cooler! >:-) > >Juan > I have not actually done this but I did have a water bottle leak back there and I learned to remove that little plug in the bottom of the trunk and drain it. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 14:10:21 TZ Subject: Spotted two used PC's for Sale Just came back from the local dealer. They had 2 used PC's on the floor that someone out there might be intested in. Location: Seattle, WA Dealer: University Honda, 206-322-3400 '89, Pearl White, 1500 miles (true!), tall sheild, passenger backrest. Bike looked MINT! Story has it that guy bought it to ride with wife, wife got pregnant, child came, and bike stayed parked in the garage till now. $5200 I think it said. '90, Metallic Red, 15,000 miles, tall shield. Looked very clean with no scratches I could notice. $4800. I'm willing to pick 'em up. Not sure I could get the time off to drive them far though for you. :( -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:30:35 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Ultimate Party Machine (was: better overall security) On Thu, Jun 15, 1995 3:01:39 pm at Neill Thompson wrote: >Carry the hors d'ouvres on one side of the trunk >>(a little blendr would fit in there too) and the other side carry the >>drinks (soda, beer, whatever) and top it off with ice. Of course, we'd need to find a 12V DC blender! - Jeff ----- "the fifth dentist finally caved in & now they're all recommending Trident" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:22:47 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Ultimate Party Machine (was: better overall security) On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, J. Burach wrote: > On Thu, Jun 15, 1995 3:01:39 pm at Neill Thompson wrote: > > >Carry the hors d'ouvres on one side of the trunk > >>(a little blendr would fit in there too) and the other side carry the > >>drinks (soda, beer, whatever) and top it off with ice. > > Of course, we'd need to find a 12V DC blender! Of course! That is why I'm installing a waterproof cigarrette lighter on my PC :-) ! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:31 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Spilling Gas Juan asked if I had thought of or was worried about spilled gas getting on my headlight modulator. NOT AT ALL: 1. I usually get a little overflow when I gas up, because I always top off [ :') don't have the California model!], but never very much and there never seems to be any just SPLAHING ABOUT up there.... 2. The modulator unit is stamped metal thing shaped a little like: ---------------- | | /. .\ \ / |________________| The mounting holes [more or less where the .'s are] match up perfectly w/ those two little bolts on the front wall. There's a switch in the middle of the front for turning the modulation on and off. After all the electronics were installed into the thing the open back was then sealed up w/ something like RTV compound [bathtub calk]. That sealed-off side will be tight to the wall. [The brand is Firefly.] I once noticed that my Canadian PC-owner friend had pop-riveted a small bit of sheet metal in front of the gas cap. I assume to cut down on fuel splash. Cory From owner-pc800 Fri Jun 16 12:11:52 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Robert E. Marks" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 13:11:23 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: gas smell What smell? I've had my 89' PC over a year and it currently has over 16000 mi. The only time I notice a slight odor is from the incomplete combustion when turning off the PC engine which probably comes from the exhaust or back through the air filter from the carbs. - Bob M. You can now go to Bob Discount Stores and buy the Bob Windows interface, I'm beginning to feel like just a ordinary commodity. What about John? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Silverwing rename (from "J. Burach" ) (at Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:30:35 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:03:36 CST Back to the thread about renaming the PC to 'SilverWing'... I have a '90. Does that mean mine's a 'RedWing' ? :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:48 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Silverwing rename Wow, I like it! Red Wing.........Black Wing.........White Wing! Makes me think of the Fleetwood Mac song that goes: "Just like the White Winged Dove........." Cory From owner-pc800 Fri Jun 16 14:50:21 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:43:02 TZ Subject: Pictures of 'undressing' Hey gang, I had to dissamble all the bodywork from the trunk forward to replace a thermostat. Took about 1.5 hours to break it down and have yet to reassemble. As there seems to be alot of intersest in seeing the PC all naked, I'll get the pictures I took scanned and forwarded to the WWW page. Give me a week or two to finish the roll, devlope, scan and send. I'll also include a collage of scanned images showing the custom intercom, CB, and windshield wiper for the curious. -bryceu ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 ---------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: RE: Silverwing rename (from ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY)) (at Fri, 16 Jun 1995 11:48 -0800) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:47:49 CST Hi CORY (CORY), in <9506161949.AA02880@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 16 you wrote: > Wow, I like it! Red Wing.........Black Wing.........White Wing! Makes me > think of the Fleetwood Mac song that goes: "Just like the White Winged > Dove........." Actually I was thinking more along the lines of the RedWing shoe distributor. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 13:56:46 PDT From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pictures of 'undressing' > I'll also include a collage of scanned images showing the custom > intercom, CB, and windshield wiper for the curious. Windshield wiper!!!????? Now you've got me curious. Can you tell me about it? -Ramin Keyvan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:14:53 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: RE: Silverwing rename >Wow, I like it! Red Wing.........Black Wing.........White Wing! Makes me >think of the Fleetwood Mac song that goes: "Just like the White Winged >Dove........." > >Cory > > I know I shared this with the list a while back but I thought I'd repeat it. I call my bike Little Wing from the Jimi Hendrix song of the same name, here are the lyrics. Well she's walking through the clouds, With a circus smile that's running wild. Butterflies and zebras, And moonbeams and fairy tales, That's all she ever thinks about. Riding with the wind When I'm sad, she comes to me, With a thousand smiles, she gives to me free. It's alright, she says its alright, Take anyting you want from me. Anything. Fly on little wing. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:40:45 TZ Subject: Re: Pictures of 'undressing' | Windshield wiper!!!????? Now you've got me curious. Can you tell me | about it? | | -Ramin Keyvan Cycle Wiper is marketed by Infinity Trading Co. at 206-556-9800. It's been on the market about 1.5 years. Mine cost $140. They sell other interesting accessories like cellphone hookups, wood trim for dashes, super-scratch resistant sheilds, etc. Mosf of their products are intended for Wings and Ventures but I had little trouble adapting the wiper to my PC. The wiper arm is adjustable in lenght and is removable. The base unit mounts permanently to the sheild and requires 5 holes. A variable speed control is standard. It does require a special silicon based spray to lubricate the sheild surface and prevent scratching. I haven't used up a can of it yet even after a year of Seattle rain commuting. Scratches will happen after awhile but I've found them easy to buff out with plastic scratch remover. The silicon has a great side effect in that it improves clarity by filling in/covering up all the fine scratches that catch the sun. I don't think the Wiper would work on the stock sheild -- too much curvature for the wiper. However, the taller shields and Rifle ones I think would be OK (I have a Rifle). The Wiper also has great crowd appeal. Everwhere I go I get a 2nd looks and lots of questions. It's a good ice-breaker to talk with cagers and let them know MC's are cool and that riders are real people too. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:03:54 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Pictures of 'undressing' >Hey gang, > >I had to dissamble all the bodywork from the trunk forward to replace a >thermostat. Took about 1.5 hours to break it down and have yet to reassemble. > > As there seems to be alot of intersest in seeing the PC all naked, >I'll get the pictures I took scanned and forwarded to the WWW page. >Give me a week or two to finish the roll, devlope, scan and send. > >I'll also include a collage of scanned images showing the custom >intercom, CB, and windshield wiper for the curious. > >-bryceu >---------------------------------------------------------- >Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 >Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp, Redmond, WA >'89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198/HRCA HM711115/HSTA 6140 >---------------------------------------------------------- > > The web page is on a 'foreign' host so it probably isn't practical to FTP to the web page but Jason's machine has annonymous FTP and if you put it there and let me know, I can get it from there and incorporate it into the WWW page. I just grabbed some of the latest from there so I happen to have the address handy: sina.tcamc.uh.edu use the directory /pub/pc800/images Right Jason? I am working on a new edition of the WWW page. Any last minute suggestions. I was thinking of trying to keep the opening page smaller and jump to more files each of which would be smaller. Hopefully this would produce a bit quicker response. Now that I can access WWW pages from home via AOL but only at 14.4 instead of the 56kb I get here at work, I am a bit more sensitive to performance. I am also going to put up some more pictures and try to extract some of the 'best of' from the past year. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 15:42:35 PDT From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pictures of 'undressing' > It's a good ice-breaker to talk with cagers and let them know MC's are > cool and that riders are real people too. > Here, here! Ramin Keyvan ps. Thanks for the wiper info. :-) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pictures of 'undressing' Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 19:24:14 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: [...] NT> I happen to have the address handy: sina.tcamc.uh.edu use the directory NT> /pub/pc800/images NT> Right Jason? Actually I protect uploads to prevent the usual porno pics/piracy problems, so you can upload to /pub/incoming/pc800 and I'll check out the pics and move them. Please let me know if you upload something. - J< 16 Jun 1995 20:34:29 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: PC800 -> Gold Wing? To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Given no concern for the finances ;-), would you trade your PC800 for a Gold Wing? The more I look them over, the *less* appealing I find a 'Wing'. I suspect everyone is drawn to the built in radio/cb, real cruise control, nice seats (with backrest for the rider), and a bit more power (what does 1500 V6 feel like vs 800 V2?). The drawbacks are the price, the cheesy area around the forks, they appear to age badly, and the heft of the beastie :-). I'm just curious if others feel the Gold Wing is a good move up from the PC800? If Honda added a few of the little extras to the PC, I think it would win hands down over the Gold Wing as a good commuter bike. A Gold Wing seems a bit much to commute back and forth to work. | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 -> Gold Wing? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:54:04 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "HS" == Harrison Spain <_spain@UG.EDS.COM> writes: HS> Given no concern for the finances ;-), would you trade your PC800 for a HS> Gold Wing? Bah! I wouldn't trade a YSR 50 for a 'Wing. I'd have to think about trading for an ST1100 or a recent VFR750 but never a 'Wing. A 'Wing represents a different philosophy of motorcycling, one that states that one should be able to give up everything that motorcycling means except the act of riding around on two wheels. No wind in the face, no roar of the engine. Sure you're riding, but that's about it. It's like going to climb a mountain and taking stairs that someone carved to get to the top. Yep, I don't like 'em. HS> I'm just curious if others feel the Gold Wing is a good move up from HS> the PC800? If that's what you like then go for it. Philosophical differences aside, the PC and the 'Wing are extraordinarily different. Commuting on a wing would be painful. It's too *&^*&^% big. It has a moderately low CG but that just can't compensate for 1000 pounds of bike. HS> If Honda added a few of the little extras to the PC, I think it would HS> win hands down over the Gold Wing as a good commuter bike. The only goodie I'd like is a clock. I'd gladly trade self cancelling signals for that. The only other thing I'd like is more horsepower. That's why I mention the ST and VFR above. What they don't have is the trunk, which makes all the difference for me. Perhaps I'll buy a VFR for weekends.... After I win the lottery. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 18:13 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: PC800 -> Gold Wing? Amen to going w/ a ST-1100 or a VFR over a Wing. Wings are nice, but over the years I've heard so many people say that they traded up and traded up and finally got into the Wing class......only to find that they rode less and less for commuting and errands and mor and more only on trips. Inevitably, they went out and bought another bike to use "around town." Nothing wrong with buying another bike......:'), but that may not be the reason, I think. If you gotta take my PC, then replace it with another PC or a ST-1100. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jun 19 06:20:23 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:20:19 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Woo hoo, Metzler Howdy. Just put the ML2 on the back wheel on Saturday (have had the Metzler on the front for the last 10,000km- about 6000 miles.) I got a little over 6000 miles out of the previous Dunlop over the last year and a half. I always have trouble remembering what the previous tire felt like when it was new (I have no trouble remembering the "driving on canvas" feel from the previous day) but I'm pretty sure it feels way more secure on the low corners than the Dunlop ever did. Whoever wrote about the ease of rear wheel removal, you're right. Rear wheel off is a 5 minute job, no f**king around with delicate fender plastic like the front. Unfortunately, while the guys were changing the tire, I took a look at the muffler. It'll be time for a new one soon, so I went back to the parts counter and ordered it. Four. Hundred. Dollars. (about 300$US.) Went out Sunday morning for a Father's Day visit, parents live 70 miles away, I did a pretty steady 160kph (about 100mph) on the highway down and back because it was so early, a very enjoyable ride. I think I'll be using the sidewalls of this ML2 way more. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 08:43:43 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: PC800 -> Gold Wing? >The only goodie I'd like is a clock. Amen. I added a stick-on aftermarket clock; looks tacky, but works great. It's both a clock and a thermometer, with "inside" and "outside" temperature; outside temp is measured by a probe on the end of a 3 foot wire. I put the probe down in the fairing, in the hole just inboard of the mirror mount. That leaves it out of the sun, and it reads very accurately as long as the moto is moving. When standing, engine heat gives false high readings. It runs on internal button-cell batteries, and the LCD display alternates between time and temp. The display digits are about .75 inch high, and easy to read, except at night; no light :-( All in all not a bad solution. $20 at fine discount auto parts stores everywhere Mike White '89 Pacific Coast ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Woo hoo, Metzler (from daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay)) (at Mon, 19 Jun 1995 08:20:19 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 09:42:37 CST Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Jun 19 you wrote: > Whoever wrote about the ease of rear wheel removal, you're right. Rear > wheel off is a 5 minute job, no f**king around with delicate fender plastic > like the front. That was me. I love how easy that thing is remove... > Unfortunately, while the guys were changing the tire, I took a look at the > muffler. It'll be time for a new one soon, so I went back to the parts > counter and ordered it. Four. Hundred. Dollars. (about 300$US.) eek. Now I know I have to get serious about an aftermarket header... No one makes one now, but there are several shops who will. After I get enough of my house built to move in, I think I'm going to have a bit of time to start back investigating HP increase and header issues again. Anyone interested, please respond. After all, it's darned hard (expensive) to get 'one' of a thing done. > I think I'll be using the sidewalls of this ML2 way more. Yeah! :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:18:46 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Where to put a lock? (was: Re: Woo hoo, Metzler) On Mon, Jun 19, 1995 9:42:37 am at Kent Polk wrote: >Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in on Jun 19 you wrote: > >> Whoever wrote about the ease of rear wheel removal, you're right. Rear >> wheel off is a 5 minute job, no f**king around with delicate fender plastic >> like the front. > >That was me. I love how easy that thing is remove... I guess I'll have to reconsider using the rear wheel as a locking point for my cable lock. Because of the front wheel plastic, a disk rotor lock is out of the question. Any other suggestions, anyone? - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Where to put a lock? (was: Re: Woo hoo, Metzler) (from "J. Burach" ) (at Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:18:46 -0400) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 11:02:11 CST Hi J. (J. Burach), in <199506191518.LAA11650@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com> on Jun 19 you wrote: > I guess I'll have to reconsider using the rear wheel as a locking point for > my cable lock. Because of the front wheel plastic, a disk rotor lock is > out of the question. Any other suggestions, anyone? I know they have fallen out of favor a bit, but my old U-lock still works pretty well on the front wheel. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:43 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Re: Woo hoo, Metzler Kent, Don't have problems w/ the PC exhaust system yet, but I'm sure it'll go sooner or later. Put me on the list of those interested. Cory From owner-pc800 Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:24:31 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: bike security Cc: SRThorne@aol.com Well, it was kind of an exciting Sunday. Stephanie and I went out of our apartment to get Little Wing to ride 2-up out to see her folks. We have three bikes in our allotted covered parking space, my '94 PC (Little Wing), her '94 Yamaha FZR600 (Maverick), and her old '87 Rebel 250 (Baby). Walking across the lot she gasped and I looked. Maverick was gone! There was nothing left but the cover. We had used a cable and padlock to lock the cover on by running the cable through the front wheel. The padlock shank had been cut. We called the police and waited. While waiting, I went to the apartment complex office to report the incident to them. The assistant manager told me that the maintenance man had found a bag with a pair of bolt cutters under a bush that morning. He showed me where he found the cutters and it was about 3 parking spaces away from our space. After waiting about two hours the police finally called and told us that the bike had been recovered. Apparently the person or persons who stole Maverick then rode him to where someone else was selling a bike. They left Maverick and took this other guy's bike for a 'test drive'. When the perpetrator(s) didn't return, Maverick's vitals where called in and turned up on the hot list. We made arrangements to pick Maverick up at the impound lot that evening. The ignition/fork lock was punched as well as the gas cap lock and the rear seat compartment lock. The tool kit was gone from under the seat. The bike had been dropped on its right side doing pretty extensive damage to the body work, mirror, turn signal, bar-end weight, exhaust, etc. All-in-all, I think we are pretty well beyond the $250.00 deductible. But I rode him home and he seemed to be structurally fine. We will be talking to the insurance company today and probably get Maverick into the 'hospital' this week for a thorough check-up. After bringing Maverick home from the lost-and-found, another resident of the complex told us that the night before Maverick was stolen, he had interrupted someone messing around the bikes with a bolt cutter. They took off and he reported the incident to the police including the tag number off of the truck they were driving. Apparently the police did nothing with the information but we brought the prior report to the attention of the police as soon as we got the information. The police believe they have the criminal(s) and hopefully they can put together a good case against them. The irony is that Little Wing was not locked at all other than the fork lock. He wasn't touched as far as I can see. Neither was the Rebel which had a Kryptonite U-lock on it. I wish we had had the Kryptonite on Maverick instead of on Baby but that's just the way it worked out at that time. Nevertheless, there are newer and bigger locks all around. Another irony is that the cover of the latest issue of American Motorcyclist (AMA magazine) sports a bike theft prevention theme. The cover story relates how the magazine staged a bike snatch in broad daylight at a shopping mall. They did it twice and there were numerous witnesses each time but there was only one report of the incident and the details of the report were too sketchy to be of any value. I consider us to be extraordinarily lucky to have recovered Maverick and to have some good eyewitness evidence against the thieves One approach to security is to park next to a very fast looking sport bike. Note, this approach is most effective if the other bike is not one of yours! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:42:48 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: bike security On Mon, Jun 19, 1995 1:24:31 pm at Neill Thompson wrote: >The irony is that Little Wing was not locked at all other than the fork >lock. He wasn't touched as far as I can see. Perhaps it was too distinctive (easliy identifiable?). I suspect though, that they just didn't get to it yet. Neither was the Rebel which >had a Kryptonite U-lock on it. I wish we had had the Kryptonite on Maverick >instead of on Baby but that's just the way it worked out at that time. I've had Kryptonite locks, both U and cable, broken several times, apparently quite easily. If anyone needs details, let me know. The company refused to make good on their warranty offers, citing some arcane provision of their convoluted registration process. >Nevertheless, there are newer and bigger locks all around. Another irony is >that the cover of the latest issue of American Motorcyclist (AMA magazine) >sports a bike theft prevention theme. The cover story relates how the >magazine staged a bike snatch in broad daylight at a shopping mall. They >did it twice and there were numerous witnesses each time but there was only >one report of the incident and the details of the report were too sketchy to >be of any value. The Kitty Genovese syndrome. Sad but true. I consider us to be extraordinarily lucky to have >recovered Maverick and to have some good eyewitness evidence against the thieves Congratulations. Prosecute the suckers, and sue them in small claims court for the damages, or have the DA insist on restitution. >One approach to security is to park next to a very fast looking sport bike. >Note, this approach is most effective if the other bike is not one of yours! :-) - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:40:47 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Security, Wing trade?, Tires, etc. Recently, Neill Thompson wrote of the sad theft of one of his motorcycles but the lucky recovery. I have been concerned about the safety of my PC, I have a big Kryptonite cable lock but use it only intermittently. Recently I've wondered--do I really have to worry? Is the fact that the bike didn't sell well an indication that risk of theft is low? Has anyone suffered the theft of their PC? Harrison Spain asked if we would trade our PCs for a Wing. I certainly wouldn't. I'm short--5' 7"--and not especially strong. I can barely right the PC when it's been on its side and know that I couldn't handle a Wing (although I've heard of using a car jack to do the job. :) A Wing is just too big and too expensive. The ST is very appealing, sort of a stronger PC, but it doesn't fit me very well--too far to reach for the handlebars. Maybe with the Heli bar kit it would be okay. My hands go numb immediately with that much weight on them and my back kills me. The VFR is worse. I'd like a VFR for short rides, maybe, but not for my day to day bike. I use my PC to commute and couldn't imagine using a VFR for that. The PC fits my physique perfectly--I swear they designed the bike for me. The only real change I've made is to the windshield. Which occasions a story. I live at an apartment and park the bike outdoors. About a month after I bought the bike new, it was parked next to the carports, next to a garbage dumpster. The dumpster caught fire. I was away, and when I returned, the sight was rather sad--the bike looked like a roasted marshmallow! :( Luckily it was fixed good as new by my insurance. However, I told the dealer to replace the windscreen with the '90 rather than the '89 since the '90 is about 2 inches taller than the '89. I decided not to get the "tall" screen because I'd have to look through it. I added a Lockhart wind spoiler to the top and now the wind goes right over my helmet. I've also used ML2s since first replacing the OEMs and have had good mileage: about 12k from the fronts, about 10k from the rears. This was close to twice I received from the OEMs. But how do you torque the huge rear nut? Will a 1/2 inch torqe wrench work? Please excuse the long note. Sure is fun to talk to folks with the same bike! :) Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:10:50 -0400 To: JeffHamltn@aol.com Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Security, Wing trade?, Tires, etc. On Mon, Jun 19, 1995 11:40:47 pm at JeffHamltn@aol.com wrote: >I have been concerned about the safety of my PC, I have a >big Kryptonite cable lock but use it only intermittently. Recently I've >wondered--do I really have to worry? I had one of these cut through almost instantly by a thief with a cutter. Like butter. I was surprised. Simple stranded aircraft cable inside. Won't slow down a pro more than 10 seconds. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:40:31 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Security, Wing... On Monday, June 19, J. Burach wrote: >I had one of these cut through almost instantly by a thief with a >cutter. Like butter. I figured it could be defeated, but that easily!? Is some sort of hidden electrical disconnect the best solution then? Jeff Hamilton ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Daniel MacKay Subject: Re: Re: Security, Wing trade?, Tires, etc. To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:20:47 -0300 (ADT) Jeff writes: > But how do you torque the huge rear nut? Will a 1/2 > inch torqe wrench work? I just use the box end "wrench" in the toolkit with one of the extensions. You don't have to kill the nut, and it doesn't have to be perfect. Figure the extension is eight inches, convert the footpounds appropriately, and gently pull about that hard on the "wrench." But yes, a 1/2" torque wrench would be just fine. You'll need a biiiiig socket for the axle nut though. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Security, Wing trade?, Tires, etc. (from Daniel MacKay ) (at Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:20:47 -0300 (ADT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:45:02 CST Hi Daniel (Daniel MacKay), in <199506201220.JAA28666@Owl.nstn.ca> on Jun 20 you wrote: > Jeff writes: > > > But how do you torque the huge rear nut? Will a 1/2 > > inch torqe wrench work? > > I just use the box end "wrench" in the toolkit with one of the extensions. Thought I would mention one more thing about the rear axle that I ran across. We don't get a lot of rain down here in South Texas, but when it rains, it pours. Anyway, two years ago I had a lot of trouble pulling the rear axle on my PC. I had to drive it out with a wood block, actually. It was rusted quite a bit. Now my VF700S that I had just before this had a rear axle/drive shaft which was nearly identical to the PC, but there was never even a hint of rust ever, in 49k miles on that bike (riding it the same way). So I have the opinion that somehow the PC tends to trap water around the axle a bit more than other bikes. I may be wrong, but... I cleaned up the axle, etc. with 700 wet/dry sandpaper (wet, very gently), and greased the axle before installing it. The next time I pulled it, there had obviously been water sitting again, but no rust this time. Anyone else seen this yet? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Daniel MacKay Subject: Re: Re: Security, Wing trade?, Tires, etc.y To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:55:58 -0300 (ADT) Kent writes: > trouble pulling the rear axle on my PC. I had to drive it out with > a wood block, actually. > Anyone else seen this yet? Yup, I think it has more to do with the finish on the steel than the design, but who knows. I always grease the whole axle lightly before putting it back in, but then I live in a high salt-air area and you always grease *everything* before installing it :-) bolts, shafts, the works. If you don't have a wood block you can just unscrew the axle nut until it's flush with the end of the axle and pound the whole thing. Unfortunately you won't find anything very heavy in your PC toolkit. -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:40:03 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Re: Trade for anything I've had Little Wing almost a year now and I remember telling friends when I bought him that I could have spent lots more money on a motorcycle than I did but I didn't think I could have bought anything that suited me any better than the Pacific Coast. I'm not saying that it is the perfect bike by any means but for what I want in a bike, I know of nothing on the market which more closely matches my desires for _any_ price. I used to think of the ST as Little Wing's big brother and that an ST would be my second choice but after straddling one and noticing how tall they are, I have reconsidered. If anything ever happened to Little Wing, I'm positive that I would be shopping for another PC. I suppose that if Honda could shave some weight off without compromising the ride, I would regard that as a very positive move. As far as the Gold Wing is concerned, I too agree that it is a completely different world. A Winger once asked if I thought that the PC was an entry level Wing and that PC riders would trade-up over time. I think you would have to have a lobotomy or some other personality transplant to have your attitude toward the bike turnaround that completely unless what you really wanted was a Gold Wing in the first place. There is something about stripping away the frills and getting down to the basics which I think most of us appreciate. It is alot like camping. To some people camping means loading up the motorhome and cruising the highways. To me, camping means taking only what you can carry on your back and traveling under your own steam. Not that camping should be miserable. Quite the contrary. When I go backpacking, I endeavor to make myself as comfortable and make the trip as convenient as possible through a combination of modern technology, multiple use objects, and other tricks and techniques. I don't want to slam anybody because I'm quite convinced that there are many legitimate uses for trailers however if you feel you need one, I think you may want to rethink whether you are taking too much stuff or are trying to use the wrong vehicle for the job at hand. I love my bike, but for picking up a sheet of plywood, my truck is a far better choice. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:34:17 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Mileage What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Lai To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mileage You know, now that you mentioned it, I think I only get 34 or 35. I know that on long rides, I can get about 170 on a full tank. That's running the needle all the way down to where it just points to E. ========================================================================= Johan Lai UUCP Mail: None Unix Systems Admin Internet Mail: jlai@filenet.com Engineering Services Snail Mail: 3565 Harbor Boulevard FileNet Corporation Costa Mesa, CA 92626 "System Administration: It's a dirty job, somebody said I had to do it." ========================================================================= On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I > don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the > mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? > > Thanks. > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:01:22 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Mileage On Tue, Jun 20, 1995 3:34:17 pm at JeffHO@aol.com wrote: >What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I >don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the >mid-30's mpg. Sorry for the empty messages - buggy software. >From about 37 to about 46, depending on riding style. 4K on my bike. I'd check the air filter, perhaps? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:40:36 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mileage >What kind of mileage do folks get? I get 45 MPG around town, better on the road. I'd have it checked out if I were you... plugs, carb, air filter. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:40:37 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Mileage >...I can get about 170 on a full tank. That's > running the needle all the way down to where it just points to E. On my '89, the needle is on E at around 90 miles. I'm good to go at least that much further again, maybe more. I'm told that the gas gauges on later models were more accurate. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:24:15 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mileage On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I > don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the > mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? My '90 gets 48 mpg regardless of speed or city/highway driving. This has always puzzled me - but I'm certainly not complaining :-)! I'll be replacing my current K555's with a set of K177's (I hope the horror stories never materialize) either today or tomorrow. I figure that the rear, if I were to wear the center smooth, would last 9K and the front is still good for another 1.5K. I do know for a fact that the materials Alaska DOT uses for road building are very abrasive and that tire wear here is about 65 - 75% of the national average. Given this, I think the stock tires did pretty good. Whilst I have the rear end (of the bike) exposed, I'll take some pictures of the trailer hitch and the mounting points, then submit them to the ftp site. How much do you guys pay for mounting and dynamic (spin) balancing? Off the bike, the average is $30.00 a piece ( "on the bike" their eyes start looking like dollar signs!). I'll be mounting the tires myself and then have the dealer balance them @ $15.00 ea. BTW, thanks for the tips on removing/installing the rear axle. Anything I should watch out for on the front wheel (besides stupid, fragile little plastic tabs on the fender)? Thanks! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: thompson@dack.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:06:37 -0500 "PC800: Mileage" (Jun 20, 3:34pm) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mileage Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) I usually fill up at 150 miles on the odometer; about 1 gallon remaining in the tank. This is a 90' model, at about 120 miles on the odometer it reads E. When I first got the bike, my mileage was better by 5 to 10 miles per hour. I have justified the drop in mileage to the newer oxygenated fuels, knowing full well that the real reason is that I just ride the thing faster after the newness wore off (i.e. first scratch). BTW, a while back I started one of the threads about the gas fumes. Since then I have tried to note when this occurs. Well, the other day (mine is parked in the garage at home) is was really fuming, and it was nearly empty. Since I have filled up; no fumes....hmmmm -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Email: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 WWW: http://www.mayo.edu/sppdg/sppdg_home_page.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:02:06 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Mileage >On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 JeffHO@aol.com wrote: > >> What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I >> don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the >> mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? > >My '90 gets 48 mpg regardless of speed or city/highway driving. This has >always puzzled me - but I'm certainly not complaining :-)! > I think my '94 gets about 45 mpg and I think that it is pretty constant city/highway. I always rationalized this by figuring that optimum speed for fuel efficiency was about 40 mph. In the city the closeness to optimum speed is offset by the stop and go driving. On the highway, the lack of stop and go is offset by speeds being well in excess of the optimum. If I were to take the bike out on the highway and run at 40-50 mph I would probably get great mileage but have no fun! My gauge is similarly skewed to the stories reported by owners of earlier year models. Once the needle goes well _past_ the red there is still close to a half gallon. I still carry a full one liter fuel bottle in the trunk anyway! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:04:30 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Mileage >What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I >don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the >mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? > >Thanks. getting about 42 in city driving and 45 on trips ...this is a 94 PC800 {88} ey E.Y. MurphEY School District of Haverford Township 1801 Darby Rd. Havertown, PA 'within everything is the seed of it's apparent contradiction...by understanding their tension and balance, truth can be found" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:08:36 EDT From: NWZA05A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS J CHAMBERY) To: PC800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: rear-end whine does anybody else experience this? What have you done about it? Thanks, Tom Chambery ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:04:47 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: For Sale:Hondaline Pacific Coast Trunk Light Set For Sale: Hondaline PC800 Trunk Light Set. New, never opened, still in sealed package. Two lights, each has an individual on/off switch. $33.00 includes postage. E-mail to Jeffy3@pipeline.com. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair) Subject: Re: rear-end whine To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:38:25 -0500 (CDT) > > does anybody else experience this? What have you done about > it? > Thanks, > Tom Chambery The stock dunlop on my bike whined worse as it got older. blair -- ____________________________________________________________________________ David Blair Tandem Computers 512/432-8106 14231 Tandem Blvd. blair@isd.tandem.com Austin, TX 78728 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: rear-end whine (from NWZA05A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS J CHAMBERY)) (at Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:08:36 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:37:37 CST Hi MR (MR THOMAS J CHAMBERY), in <013.07810911.NWZA05A@prodigy.com> on Jun 21 you wrote: > does anybody else experience this? What have you done about > it? Is it drivetrain or rear wheel noise? What is the pressure in your rear tire? Did you check the rearend lubricant level? Are the rear 'exposed' gears well greased? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:29:59 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rear-end whine On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, MR THOMAS J CHAMBERY wrote: > does anybody else experience this? What have you done about > it? > Thanks, > Tom Chambery The rear tire on my bike whines *a lot* when I lean into a turn (both ways) as a result of tire wear. This started when the center tread was down to about 40-50%. Good luck. Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:29 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: rear-end whine Gee Tom, I'm not sure. The seat on the PC is pretty good for something stock, from the factory. My rear-end doesn't start to whine until after a full day or two in the saddle. Now my knees, on the other hand........ Sorry, just couldn't resist! Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 21 12:33:23 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:33:14 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: rear-end whine >Gee Tom, I'm not sure. The seat on the PC is pretty good ... >My rear-end doesn't start to whine until after a full day or two in the saddle. Hehehehehehehehe... ! Good one. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: For Sale:Hondaline Pacific Coast Trunk Light Set To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 15:58:01 WST > > For Sale: Hondaline PC800 Trunk Light Set. New, never opened, still in > sealed package. Two lights, each has an individual on/off switch. > > $33.00 includes postage. Hi! Would you mind send it to Hong Kong? -- ***************************************************************************** * Philips Wong, VR2XVI <-- HAM '84 HONDA GL1200A <-- Wow! * * PCA420 <-- Royal HK Gold Wing Aspencade * * Aux. Police '83 HONDA CBX650 <-- Good! * * 101177 <-- GWRRA # HONDA CBX750 <-- Police bike * * Police Training School taught : YAMAHA 650 <-- Police bike * * " I have the honor to be, Sir, your YAMAHA 250 <-- Police bike * * obedient servant! " '89 MITSUBISHI <-- For fun & * * L300 4WD for sale! * ***************************************************************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:47:17 -0400 From: DaveEic@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Swapping bikes for a weekend My wife and I live in the Houston area and have a PC800. We love to travel on it, but not for 2000 miles. If there are any folks out there that live in other cities and would like to visit Houston and the surrounding area and swap bikes at each others airports, we would too. I'm not sure how this would work, I just know we love to travel by bike to sight-see new places without having to ride for 48 hours straight to get there. Sound interesting? E-mail me at Daveeic@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 08:01:16 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Swapping bikes for a weekend On Fri, Jun 23, 1995 12:47:17 am at DaveEic@aol.com wrote: >My wife and I live in the Houston area and have a PC800. We love to travel on >it, but not for 2000 miles. If there are any folks out there that live in >other cities and would like to visit Houston and the surrounding area and >swap bikes at each others airports, we would too. I'm not sure how this would >work, I just know we love to travel by bike to sight-see new places without >having to ride for 48 hours straight to get there. Sound interesting? E-mail >me at Daveeic@aol.com Fantastic idea, if it can work. Insurance is a problem, particularly here in New York, where we have vicarious liability. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:07:01 -0700 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: sfarrow@radford.com (Spencer Farrow) Subject: Re: Re: Swapping bikes for a weekend Hi Jeff (and other fellow Coasties) - > >Fantastic idea, if it can work. Insurance is a problem, particularly here >in New York, where we have vicarious liability. > >- Jeff Could you explain "vicarious liability"? It sounds like a particularly obtuse piece of legislation......... Cheers - Spencer Spencer Farrow Compensation Researcher Radford Associates/A&ACG sfarrow@radford.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:35:05 -0400 To: sfarrow@radford.com Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Swapping bikes for a weekend On Fri, Jun 23, 1995 11:07:01 am at Spencer Farrow wrote: >>Fantastic idea, if it can work. Insurance is a problem, particularly here >>in New York, where we have vicarious liability. >> >>- Jeff > >Could you explain "vicarious liability"? It sounds like a particularly >obtuse piece of legislation......... All it means is that the owner of the vehicle is liable,* regardless of fault*. If someone borrows your bike and hits someone etc, etc,, and has insufficient assets to pay the inevitable lawsuit, the the owner is liable. Actually, I believe that owner may be primarily liable, and then have to seek contribution from the driver. A terrible, communistic, piece of legislation. A few other states have this -- I believe California does. Meanwhile taxicabs can be owned by shell corporations and need only carry $10K in liabilty insurance. Pure power politics, no rationality. That is the main reason car rentals are so much more expensive here in NYC than the rest of the country (about $75/day, versus say $22 in Georgia). (Another reason is that loss damage waiver is mandatory for NY rentals, even if you use a Gold Card -- increasing the costs by $10 or so.) - Jeff Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:58:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Keith Rogers 512-356-7416 Subject: Howdy! To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 17:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Importance: normal Priority: normal X400-Mts-Identifier: [;13717132605991/1537742@VAXEN] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 3 Greetings! I'm new to the list... Name: Keith Rogers Location: Austin, TX Email: Keith.Rogers@sematech.org PC Model year: No PC, but I want to buy one ASAP. I'd appreciate some advice on where to buy a used (maybe new) PC in the Austin, TX area. Thanks so much! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Matthew B. Jerinsky" Subject: PC800 Running Hot? To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Hello there. I bought a new pc a few weeks ago. I now have about 600miles on it. According to the temperature gage the bike runs near "C" on the highway, but on the street it tends to travel over the 3/4 mark towards HOT. I question if this is normal(as the dealer says) - since i have also found some coolant (ie- a few drops) spewing out the side air duct. Any information on the pc's normal temperature operating range would be much appreciated. I have taken it to the dealer a couple of times but to no avail. They seem to be strong arming me into getting the 600 mile service by them. (the dealer says the warrenty would be void if i don't) I have done the service by myself( changed the oil, adjusted the carbs, etc - eveything in the manual) - and think the coolant problem is a small crack in the seem on the resevoir coolant tank. To give you an idea of the quality of the dealer's service department (Coleman Powersports - in Falls Church, Virginia) , the bike was delivered to me with missing screws in the body work, a cracked fuse case(with a piece of black electrical tape holding it together), cracked side body panel under the trunk, etc... Unfortunately, these problems were not immediately visible until i took the bike apart. Are they still liable for these problems? (i guess not) When i took delivery - i had to wait about an hour for the salesman to clear up which bike was mine - then the correct bike got a quick check to make sure it was drivable. So this brings me back to the original question - Is my bike running too hot? - the fan does kick in before it reaches the end of the gage but just bearly. Any information would be very helpful. Thanks...matthew Matthew Jerinsky Arlington, Virginia alibi@seas.gwu.edu / jerinsky@ws1.nkf.com '95 PC800 / "94 Shadow(600) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:05:38 -0400 From: JeffHamltn@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Mileage I get about 42-45, even two-up. But I have a related question--how much will the tank hold? I've never run it dry; the most I've put in when it was way below E was 3.7 gallons. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Mileage Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:33:35 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "J" == JeffHamltn writes: J> I get about 42-45, even two-up. This must be highway milage. I get terrible milage, but I usually don't even see a freeway. Yep, back and forth every day without going over 35. I'm also pretty sure I need a carb synch; anyone want to show me how to do one? J> But I have a related question--how much will the tank hold? 4.2 gallons. I've tried to run it dry once, but chickened out and ended up putting 4 gallons it it. The fuel gage is really, really pessimistic. - J< 24 Jun 1995 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Mileage To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu >What kind of mileage do folks get? Mine seems rather low, and although I >don't keep rigorous track, it seems to be getting worse...down to the >mid-30's mpg. Could this indicate anything insidious? > >Thanks. Me too, but I thought it was my zipping from light to light in city traffic ;-). My '89 PC800 engine runs like a watch so I don't *think* I have a tuning problem although I suspect the carbs have not been balanced over the 6 years (I just bought it 6 months ago). Your mileage may vary? ;-) | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:49:28 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "MBJ" == Matthew B Jerinsky writes: MBJ> According to the temperature gage the bike runs near MBJ> "C" on the highway, but on the street it tends to travel over the 3/4 MBJ> mark towards HOT. Are you stopped when this happens? What's the ambient temperature? My bike rarely gets that hot here in Houston; it only happens when I've been sitting at a long light. MBJ> I question if this is normal(as the dealer says) - since i have also MBJ> found some coolant (ie- a few drops) spewing out the side air duct. Definitely bad, that. Get it fixed immediately and demand that it be done for free. Read up on your state's lemon law. MBJ> Any information on the pc's normal temperature operating range would MBJ> be much appreciated. Lower quarter of the temp band for reasonable speeds in Summer in Houston. Up to the 3/4 mark when stopped at long lights. MBJ> They seem to be strong arming me into getting the 600 mile service by MBJ> them. (the dealer says the warrenty would be void if i don't) Bunk, bull, total pile of steaming wet shit. Pass me a snorkel. If you were in Texas you'd be getting close to the lemon law limit for defects and you'd be looking at a bit of fraud, too. Find another dealer, quick, and let them know what's up. They might be good to you and fix all of the problems under warranty just to get your business. Write a letter to American Honda about the dealer. Make sure the dealer knows you're serious. MBJ> Unfortunately, these problems were not immediately visible until i MBJ> took the bike apart. Are they still liable for these problems? Unless Virginia has some pretty foolish laws, the goods came damaged. They're responsible for delivering goods in proper condition, right? MBJ> So this brings me back to the original question - Is my bike running MBJ> too hot? - the fan does kick in before it reaches the end of the gage MBJ> but just bearly. That's definitely not right. Get it fixed immediately and don't take no for an answer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: etlgyas@etlxdmx.ericsson.se (Geoff Adams) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 13:59:17 BST To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Help with PC800 for UK rider Hello I have a small request for info for a prospective UK PC owner. What is the width of a PC800?? Despite all the concerns of spares, the weight of the thing, and all that, I'm wondering how it will compare to my '93 Seca II, obviously very different bikes. However, chief in my mind is the width. Filtering (lane-splitting) is completely legal over here, as long as the speeds are low. Replies by email please, I'm not a subscriber as yet. Thanks. Geoff./ etlgyas@etlxdmx.ericsson.se ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: Mileage (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:33:35 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 21:33:15 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9506241933.AA16638@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 24 you wrote: > >>>>> "J" == JeffHamltn writes: > > J> I get about 42-45, even two-up. > > This must be highway milage. I get terrible milage, but I usually don't > even see a freeway. Yep, back and forth every day without going over 35. > I'm also pretty sure I need a carb synch; anyone want to show me how to do > one? I normally get just over 50mpg highway. I have gotten right at 59 and often get around 55 highway. I get 45-50 around town. usually 45 because I have a real twisty wrist and don't wait around in one place for long. This really does mean reasonably hard accelleration much of the time... Goes down to 40 under hard riding or riding two-up in the mountains. I think you guys with poor mileage might want to pay a little attention to the carbs... I have mine resynched every 8k miles, as that's about how long they manage to stay that way. Mileage and performance starts dropping off pretty quick if I don't. I haven't bothered to resynch mine because the local shop did it for $20. At least until the last time... price went up so I guess it's time to think about doing it myself. > J> But I have a related question--how much will the tank hold? > > 4.2 gallons. I've tried to run it dry once, but chickened out and ended up > putting 4 gallons it it. The fuel gage is really, really pessimistic. I've put 4.2 gallons in mine three times. Twice, one of the carbs was starting to cut out, so the tank was pretty much empty. I did put 4.4 gallons in it two weeks ago. I informed the store manager that they needed to get the pump recalibrated. I'll be checking in on them again soon. :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? (from "Matthew B. Jerinsky" ) (at Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 95 21:42:57 CST Hi Matthew (Matthew B. Jerinsky), in <199506241614.MAA07070@felix.seas.gwu.edu> on Jun 24 you wrote: > Hello there. > > I bought a new pc a few weeks ago. I now have about 600miles on it. > According to the temperature gage the bike runs near "C" on the > highway, but on the street it tends to travel over the 3/4 mark towards HOT. > I question if this is normal(as the dealer says) Certainly not for mine. I live down here in Hot San Antonio, and the only time it get beyond 1/3 of the gauge is when it's sitting or climbing the gravel road to my house. Not sure, but I think the fan comes on at about 1/2 gauge. > - since i have also found some coolant (ie- a few drops) spewing out > the side air duct. Any information on the pc's normal temperature > operating range would be much appreciated. That a *Leak*. Modern coolant systems Do Not Leak! Needs to be fixed. > I have done the service by myself( changed the oil, adjusted the carbs, > etc - eveything in the manual) - and think the coolant problem is a Be sure an keep ALL of your receipts for parts, supplies and repair work. Honda acknowledges this info when considering warranty work. One thing I like about the bike shop I go to is that all my purchases are on computer and they *use* that info to go to bat for you in a warranty dispute. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:40:08 -0400 To: etlgyas@etlxdmx.ericsson.se Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Help with PC800 for UK rider On Fri, Jun 23, 1995 1:59:17 pm at Geoff Adams wrote: >What is the width of a PC800?? Despite all the concerns of spares, >the weight of the thing, and all that, I'm wondering how it will >compare to my '93 Seca II, obviously very different bikes. >However, chief in my mind is the width. Filtering (lane-splitting) >is completely legal over here, as long as the speeds are low. Lane-splitting and width were a major concern for me, as 70% of my riding is zipping around in heavy New York City traffic. I recently traded my extremely nimble CB 650 for a PC800. The difference is less than I anticipated -- on the highway I am able to split about 80% as much as previously, and I almost never worry about hitting things, after an adjustment period of say 800 miles. Additionally, the widest spot on the bike are the mirrors, which are located in a far forward location (relative to a standard bike), like a cat's whiskers, and the ergonomic location allows one to easily judge width. I don't feel the difference to be significant, particularly given the better braking ability, and general greater competence, especially two-up. Another unanticipated psychological component is that the bikes increased visibility, due to wonderfully designed directional signals, and greater 'apparent' bulk seems to cause motorists to pay more 'respect' in terms of giving wider berth. For backing the bike out of parking spots, the bike feels somewhat wider, and I do need to be conscious of the trunk, to prevent scuffs. All in all, I would say don't let the width dissuade you. >Replies by email please, I'm not a subscriber as yet. Thanks. Do join! It's free :-) - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:40:24 -0400 To: alibi@seas.gwu.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? (fwd) I'm less concerned than Jason is about all this, but I'd make sure the thermostatic valve is in spec, and check about the crack in the reservoir plastic. Both are minor items. I would have my 600 mile service done by a Honda dealer, just to avoid potential hassles, but it could be *any* Honda dealer. If you do the work yourself, or at a non-Honda shop, the burden, in effect, falls on you to prove the work was done properly. If you tell Honda headquarters you are unhappy with your dealer they will note their internal records, and refer you to a dealer they have confidence in. After the initial service the concern level is lower, but non-brand repairs are still scrutinized more carefully in event of a lemon-law dispute. The manufacturer always raises the issue. I've been a lemon law arbitrator for five years, and if presented with this scenario I would give the manufacturer the opportunity to correct the problems before declaring it a lemon. Make sure to document all your repair efforts, though, in case it comes up later. Photos are good. - Jeff --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:49:28 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? >>>>> "MBJ" == Matthew B Jerinsky writes: MBJ> According to the temperature gage the bike runs near MBJ> "C" on the highway, but on the street it tends to travel over the 3/4 MBJ> mark towards HOT. Are you stopped when this happens? What's the ambient temperature? My bike rarely gets that hot here in Houston; it only happens when I've been sitting at a long light. MBJ> I question if this is normal(as the dealer says) - since i have also MBJ> found some coolant (ie- a few drops) spewing out the side air duct. Definitely bad, that. Get it fixed immediately and demand that it be done for free. Read up on your state's lemon law. MBJ> Any information on the pc's normal temperature operating range would MBJ> be much appreciated. Lower quarter of the temp band for reasonable speeds in Summer in Houston. Up to the 3/4 mark when stopped at long lights. MBJ> They seem to be strong arming me into getting the 600 mile service by MBJ> them. (the dealer says the warrenty would be void if i don't) Bunk, bull, total pile of steaming wet shit. Pass me a snorkel. If you were in Texas you'd be getting close to the lemon law limit for defects and you'd be looking at a bit of fraud, too. Find another dealer, quick, and let them know what's up. They might be good to you and fix all of the problems under warranty just to get your business. Write a letter to American Honda about the dealer. Make sure the dealer knows you're serious. MBJ> Unfortunately, these problems were not immediately visible until i MBJ> took the bike apart. Are they still liable for these problems? Unless Virginia has some pretty foolish laws, the goods came damaged. They're responsible for delivering goods in proper condition, right? MBJ> So this brings me back to the original question - Is my bike running MBJ> too hot? - the fan does kick in before it reaches the end of the gage MBJ> but just bearly. That's definitely not right. Get it fixed immediately and don't take no for an answer. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 01:40:16 -0400 To: Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu, jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Mileage On Sat, Jun 24, 1995 2:33:35 pm at Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >4.2 gallons. I've tried to run it dry once, but chickened out and ended up >putting 4 gallons it it. The fuel gage is really, really pessimistic. How far did the 4 gallons take you? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 02:28:10 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Running Hot? On Sat, Jun 24, 1995 9:42:57 pm at Kent Polk wrote: >Certainly not for mine. I live down here in Hot San Antonio, and the only >time it get beyond 1/3 of the gauge is when it's sitting or climbing the >gravel road to my house. Not sure, but I think the fan comes on at about >1/2 gauge. On mine, it fluctuates from 1/8 gauge to 3/4. Fan comes on around 3/4. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 08:08:35 -0300 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: daniel@nstn.ca (Daniel MacKay) Subject: Re: Re: Help with PC800 for UK rider Cc: etlgyas@etlxdmx.ericsson.se Jeff writes: >Additionally, the widest spot on the bike are the mirrors, which are >located in a far forward location (relative to a standard bike), like a Before I got the tall windshield, when I was on the highway I drove crouched over the gas tank, and the location of the mirrors suddenly made sense to me- they're usable in whatever position. They're also a windbreak for your hands. > Another unanticipated psychological component is that the bikes >increased visibility, due to wonderfully designed directional signals, and >greater 'apparent' bulk seems to cause motorists to pay more 'respect' in >terms of giving wider berth. I heartily agree with that! The frequency of being invisible to some dumb-ass cager seems lower on the PC. (altho :-) I could just hold off replacing the muffler for a few more months, I'd gain the much-touted Harley open-pipe audio visibility.) -- Daniel MacKay daniel@nstn.ca Homo habilis Nova Scotia, Canada ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:03:17 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Mileage Kent Polk wrote: >> I did put 4.4 gallons in it two weeks ago. I informed the store manager that they needed to get the pump recalibrated. I'll be checking in on them again soon. :^)<< Attaboy, Kent. Gotta keep the buggers honest! ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:04:16 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? Just want to second almost everything Jason Tibbitts had to say in his response to Matthew B Jerinsky's sad tale. I don't know what it is with some motorcycle dealers that they think normal rules and laws of decency and fairness don't apply to them. We, the customers, can't put up with this kind of crap. If you're delivered a damaged product, you say "sorry, no, how soon can you have a replacement?" Definately let Honda of America know, and also file a complaint with the local Better Business Bureau. AND let the dealer know you're doing it. On one, point, though I think JT may be mistaken. In order not to void warrenty, I think the scheduled maintenance must be performed by a Honda-certified shop. Jeff ...Keep the rubber side down, and don't sneeze in your helmet... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:01:22 -0400 From: JeffHO@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Mileage JeffHamltn writes: >>I get about 42-45, even two-up. But I have a related question--how much will the tank hold? I've never run it dry; the most I've put in when it was way below E was 3.7 gallons. << The tank's 4.2 gallons (16 liters), but the fuel gauge isn't much help. You do better to judge from the odometer. Except that my mileage is dropping... I'm due for the 4K mile service, so I'll have carbs, air filter, etc. checked out as several advised. Thanks to those who gave me their input. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 08:54:55 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 Running Hot? >According to the temperature gage the bike runs near "C" on the >highway, but on the street it tends to travel over the 3/4 mark towards HOT. Actually, this sounds about right. My '89 runs down near "C" while riding at speed, and at an extended stop the temp needle runs up to the middle of the range, where the fan kicks in. >I question if this since i have also found some coolant (ie- a few drops) >spewing out the side air duct. This is not good. Have it checked. If you don't get satisfaction from the dealer, contact Honda directly. If you bought this bike new, you have a perfect right to expect glaring faults like the ones you describe to be fixed. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:39:18 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Swapping bikes for a weekend >My wife and I live in the Houston area and have a PC800. We love to travel on >it, but not for 2000 miles. If there are any folks out there that live in >other cities and would like to visit Houston and the surrounding area and >swap bikes at each others airports, we would too. I'm not sure how this would >work, I just know we love to travel by bike to sight-see new places without >having to ride for 48 hours straight to get there. Sound interesting? E-mail >me at Daveeic@aol.com well I don't get to Houston too often altho I would like to but in Philly you can ride my 94 PC800 see u Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:04:31 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Gas gauge/Temp gauge >On Sat, Jun 24, 1995 2:33:35 pm at Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >>4.2 gallons. I've tried to run it dry once, but chickened out and ended >up >>putting 4 gallons it it. The fuel gage is really, really pessimistic. > > >How far did the 4 gallons take you? > > Last night I put 3.9 gallons in. The needle was way past empty. I had 169 miles on the trip odometer. I believe that works out to 43 mpg. When I filled up it was about to the tab in the filler neck where it is supposed to be. Usually I go a little past that to eek out a bit more range. As I believe I have mentioned in the past, I carry a liter fuel bottle in my trunk figuring at 43 miles to the gallon, a liter gives me about 10 miles of reserve which should certainly get me to a station for most of my riding. My riding is pretty much stop and go commuting but I like to try to pull away smartly from the lights just to demonstrate that even though the PC is not a crotch rocket, it does have better acceleration that about 95% of all vehicles on the road. ;-). For my reserve tank, I use one of my backpacking stove fuel bottles. They are aluminum cylinders made by Sigg and available in many sporting goods stores. The screw tops are very secure and I have never had one leak in pack or trunk. I keep mine in an old sock to keep it from klunking around as badly and to keep the bottle from getting dinged up as badly. When I go camping I have an MSR stove which will burn automotive gasoline (many liquid fuel stoves require campstove fuel like Coleman Fuel). With my MSR, I can use my bike's reserve to cook with. I figure it is unlikely that I will be desperate for both hot food and wanting to ride at the same time. "Oh great, out of gas well, I'll just have a cup of hot chocolate." Not! When the bike was new, armed with my reserve, I did run it dry and when I added my reserve and then topped it off at a station I believe that I was able to squeeze in about 4.3 to 4.4 gallons total. The specs do say 4.2 however. Regarding the temp gauge issue, I live in Phoenix and we hit 110*F yesterday. I think I typically see readings no higher than about two-thirds of the gauge. If it is touching the red, I'd be very concerned. One of the reasons that I liked the Honda was that there are about 5-6 Honda dealers in the Metro area and I figured that if I didn't like one I could go to one of the others. Vote your displeasure by going elsewhere. Honda will certainly not fuss over _which_ dealer you went to. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: nononononosenor To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: rear-end whine On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Kent Polk wrote: > Hi MR (MR THOMAS J CHAMBERY), in <013.07810911.NWZA05A@prodigy.com> on Jun 21 you wrote: > > > does anybody else experience this? What have you done about > > it? > > Is it drivetrain or rear wheel noise? > What is the pressure in your rear tire? > Did you check the rearend lubricant level? > Are the rear 'exposed' gears well greased? > > Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > Thanks for the response. I'm actually writing for my father and just got back to school yesterday. The rear-end whine seems to be coming from the final drive. My father (very handy with a wrench) was planning on cutting the final gear when I suggest that I get some input from this group. The whine has been consistent in spite of a change of tires, from the piece of crap stock Dunlops to Metz ML2s. Has anybody had experience with a *gear* whine from the rear-end? thanks Todd Chambery peahat@grove.ufl.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:59:26 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: PC800 seat for sale (fwd) --------- Forwarded message ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:16:59 -0500 From: garyk@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Honda Hoot Two other ST owners, one Pacific Coast rider and I made our way from Sumter, SC to the Honda Hoot in Asheville, NC. Great trip (wet, but great). Great show! If any of you are in the Asheville, North Carolina area I recommend staying at the Blue Ridge Cycle Campground (cabins, tent sites, full shower & laundry facilities, and excellent food). The campground is located south of Waynesville, NC on Hwy 276, phone (704)235-8350. Great twisties and good roads. While at the Hoot, the Pacific Coast owner and I purchased Corbin seats. Consequently, there are now ST and Pacific Coast stock seats for sale. (cheap) If anyone is interested, please E-mail me at Garyk@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu or call at (803)775-6341. Thanks Gary Kendrick University of South Carolina at Sumter ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:04:16 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: get index index pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:01:39 +0800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: paledet@cln.etc.bc.ca (paul ledet) Subject: Re: PC800 seat for sale (fwd) Could you please let me know what the cost of the Corbin seat is and whether or not you find a significant difference in your comfort level. Also, how do they make the seat? Is it custom for you or generic to the PC? >--------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:16:59 -0500 >From: garyk@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Honda Hoot > > > > > Two other ST owners, one Pacific Coast rider and I made our > way from Sumter, SC to the Honda Hoot in Asheville, NC. > Great trip (wet, but great). Great show! If any of you are > in the Asheville, North Carolina area I recommend staying at > the Blue Ridge Cycle Campground (cabins, tent sites, full > shower & laundry facilities, and excellent food). The > campground is located south of Waynesville, NC on Hwy 276, > phone (704)235-8350. Great twisties and good roads. > > While at the Hoot, the Pacific Coast owner and I purchased > Corbin seats. Consequently, there are now ST and Pacific > Coast stock seats for sale. (cheap) If anyone is interested, > please E-mail me at Garyk@uscsumter.uscsu.sc.edu or call at > (803)775-6341. Thanks > > Gary Kendrick > University of South Carolina at Sumter > > > ***************************** * R. Paul Ledet * * Stelly's Secondary School * * Brentwood Bay B.C. * ***************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:02:05 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: get index >index pc800 index pc800 Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: gparsons To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Non-list person looking for PCs for sale east coast Yo folks, I'm Grant Parsons, a motorcycle rider (Seca II) in North Carolina (Durham) who is trying to track down a Pacific Coast for a friend in Conn. who does not have net access. My friend Jo, a motorcyclist returning to the sport after an absence, has an awfully bad jones for a Pacific Coast. He's taken with the looks and the utility of the bike, and with the idea that it would be a good intermediate step between his many-year bike hiatus and his ultimate goal, a Gold Wing. Also, he figures once he re-adapts to the two-wheeled world, he can then hand off the PC to his wife, and they can tour like the very cool folks that they are. I hope this isn't considered bad form on the PC list, but if anyone here knows of a 'Coast for sale in the eastern half of the U.S., I'd be much appreciative if you could e-mail me with a quick description and a phone number that I could forward to Jo, who could then get in touch with the seller. Or, if you'd rather, you can e-mail me, and I'll pass on Jo's number to a potential seller. I'm not subscribed to the PC list, so please e-mail me directly at gparsons@nando.net Jo is particularly interested in a red one, for reasons of his own (mid-life red? ;-) I understand this only came out in one particular year, so his search may be difficult. He's willing to travel far for the right bike, and is interested as well in other years/colors. Thanks very much for your help, and feel free to e-mail me with any questions or comments. Again, sorry if this is bad form, but with any luck at all, I'll get my friend back on a bike soon! TIA, -grant Grant Parsons '84 Ascot '92 Seca II DoD #1232 gparsons@nando.net ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:21:04 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: Re: Mileage ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/27/95 15:22 ## 4.2gal plus .1 in the filler neck. Believe me, the test was not simulated. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: tibbs@sina.tcamc.uh.edu:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/24/95 14:33 ## >>>>> "J" == JeffHamltn writes: J> I get about 42-45, even two-up. This must be highway milage. I get terrible milage, but I usually don't even see a freeway. Yep, back and forth every day without going over 35. I'm also pretty sure I need a carb synch; anyone want to show me how to do one? J> But I have a related question--how much will the tank hold? 4.2 gallons. I've tried to run it dry once, but chickened out and ended up putting 4 gallons it it. The fuel gage is really, really pessimistic. - J< ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:30:37 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Fan I thought of something that I do that I don't know if I can justify in my mind. When I shut off my bike and the fan is running, I've taken to leaving the ignition on until the fan stops. Usually this only takes a few seconds which I use to take off my gloves and helmet. I've had cars which would do this automatically. If it's good for the car, wouldn't it logically apply to the bike? The problem I have is that I can't quite understand why (after eliminating the cause of the heating) that speeding the cooling process is better that letting it cool naturally. Perhaps since the time is so short this is a moot point but hey, what do you think? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:58:32 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: Fan >I thought of something that I do that I don't know if I can justify in my >mind. When I shut off my bike and the fan is running, I've taken to leaving >the ignition on until the fan stops. Usually this only takes a few seconds >which I use to take off my gloves and helmet. I've had cars which would do >this automatically. If it's good for the car, wouldn't it logically apply >to the bike? The problem I have is that I can't quite understand why (after >eliminating the cause of the heating) that speeding the cooling process is >better that letting it cool naturally. Perhaps since the time is so short >this is a moot point but hey, what do you think? it ain't worth the heat... it's a thermostat...keeping the engine running keeps the heat don't sweat the small stuff... unless it drains your battery :)) Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:19:59 EDT From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Fan >I've taken to leaving the ignition on until the fan stops [but] I can't quite >understand why (after eliminating the cause of the heating) that speeding the >cooling process isbetter that letting it cool naturally. Ummm... the water pump isn't running at that point; you're only cooling the radiator, not the engine. On the other hand, I can't see that you're doing any harm, except running the battery down a bit. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair) Subject: Re: Fan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:28:05 -0500 (CDT) > > I thought of something that I do that I don't know if I can justify in my > mind. When I shut off my bike and the fan is running, I've taken to leaving > the ignition on until the fan stops. Usually this only takes a few seconds > which I use to take off my gloves and helmet. I've had cars which would do > this automatically. If it's good for the car, wouldn't it logically apply > to the bike? The problem I have is that I can't quite understand why (after > eliminating the cause of the heating) that speeding the cooling process is > better that letting it cool naturally. Perhaps since the time is so short > this is a moot point but hey, what do you think? > I worried about that for a while. Stopped worrying after I crashed the PC. The new ride, a 93 Concourse, lets the fan run after the key is off and, as a side note, won't crank if the kill switch is off. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ David Blair Tandem Computers 512/432-8106 14231 Tandem Blvd. blair@isd.tandem.com Austin, TX 78728 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "J. Burach" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:19:22 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: jeffy3@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Fan On Tue, Jun 27, 1995 12:30:37 pm at Neill Thompson wrote: >The problem I have is that I can't quite understand why (after >eliminating the cause of the heating) that speeding the cooling process is >better that letting it cool naturally. I agree with E.Y. Natural is fine. 27 Jun 1995 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by UG.EDS.COM From: _spain@UG.EDS.COM (Harrison Spain) Subject: Re: Fan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Fan? Was this something added after the '89 model? :-) | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: _spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!_spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:55:44 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Parts prices I had to replace my directional switch recently on my '90. The prices I received from various Honda dealers was interesting. Switch assy, winker part# 35200-MR5-870. 88.32, 77.25, 102.45, 76.84, 84.00, 83.90, 93.00. Why isn't anybody buying air filters and windshields from the 40% off guy? Has anybody used him? I wonder which of the above prices he uses as the baseline. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:43 -0800 From: ESTES@polar.eielson.af.mil (CORY) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Fan Funny you should bring this up. I've done the exact same thing several times and just the other day I found myself wondering if it was all worth the effort. If you follow the idea that things will get hotter for a minute or two, as the heat radiates out, before things start to cool off, it might figure that running the fan could help things out. It might help to dissapate some of the excess heat lurking under all the body work. Cory From owner-pc800 Wed Jun 28 12:02:24 1995 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:01:57 +0800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: paledet@cln.etc.bc.ca (paul ledet) Subject: Re: Forwarded: Re: Re: Mileage >J> I get about 42-45, even two-up. I know i'm a little late for this series but I use about 5.5litres per 100 kilometers and the farthest I've gone before chickening out has been about 265 km. I figure that with the 16 l tank I should be able to get 280-290 out of it. >I'm also pretty sure I need a carb synch; anyone want to show me how to do >one? Ditto. Is it an easy process for a none mechanic? How much does it cost to get it done? Paul ***************************** * R. Paul Ledet * * Stelly's Secondary School * * Brentwood Bay B.C. * ***************************** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:01:32 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Re: Parts prices ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/28/95 15:02 ## Sorry, my memory has ridden too many miles the past few weeks. It was the racer guy in Florida I was thinking of but he's 20%, not 40%. Roger ps Didn't mean to get those pulses up to redline. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: ("J. Burach") jeffy3@pipeline.com:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/28/95 13:36 ## On Wed, Jun 28, 1995 8:55:44 am at Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM wrote: >I had to replace my directional switch recently on my '90. The >prices I received from various Honda dealers was interesting. >Switch assy, winker part# 35200-MR5-870. >88.32, 77.25, 102.45, 76.84, 84.00, 83.90, 93.00. >Why isn't anybody buying air filters and windshields from the 40% off >guy? Has anybody used him? I wonder which of the above prices he >uses as the baseline. Who *is* the 40% off guy? If you could post the names of the best 2 or 3, I'm sure it would be apprciated (by me!) - jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 15:03:52 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: "89 Wanted Looking for 1989 windshield in excellent (as in like new) condition. Must be some around with all those extended shields. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:14:36 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: '95 price Who has the best price on a new '95 in the crate? I'm shopping. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:30:14 -0400 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (E.Y. MurphEY) Subject: Re: "89 Wanted >Looking for 1989 windshield in excellent (as in like new) condition. >Must be some around with all those extended shields. > >Roger got one here roger call to PA 610-259-9861 will send if you can pay for shipping {88} ey E.Y. MurphEY School District of Haverford Township 1801 Darby Rd. Havertown, PA 'within everything is the seed of it's apparent contradiction...by understanding their tension and balance, truth can be found" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:59:34 -0800 (AKDT) From: Juan Goula To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Rear tire removal This comment is for Jeff Hamilton, who asked if a 1/2" drive wrench could do the job of removing the rear wheel nut. I realized too late that I would not be able to use the 27mm wrench from the toolkit. The largest socket I have is a 25mm. I found out that a 1 and 1/16" SAE socket [1/2" drive] is a close enough fit that it wouldn't damage the nut (and happily, I had one of those!) After that it was a piece of cake. No rust found on the rear axle. Adjusting the torque was not a problem, except you have to make sure that the stay arm for the drum brake is already in place. Otherwise the brake assembly will not rotate to its intended position. As for the front tire, once you remove all that plastic (can anyone give me some info on the brackets needed to mount an ST fender... please?) the manual says to remove the right caliper and surrounding paraphernalia. I found it easier to remove both for for cleaning and inspection purposes. It also allows the fron tire to come out with no problems whatsoever. When re-installing it, I believe it is easier to allign the caliper to the disk than the other way around. Well, I'm off to test my baby's new shoes! Juan ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 10:20:12 edt From: Roger_Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM To: "pc800"@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM Subject: Forwarded: Parts prices ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince:DGC Date: ## 06/29/95 10:21 ## I just called East Coast Warehouse (800-544-4814) and their price for the sw assy is $60.83. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Roger Prince@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM:dg-smtp Date: ## 06/28/95 08:55 ## I had to replace my directional switch recently on my '90. The prices I received from various Honda dealers was interesting. Switch assy, winker part# 35200-MR5-870. 88.32, 77.25, 102.45, 76.84, 84.00, 83.90, 93.00. Why isn't anybody buying air filters and windshields from the 40% off guy? Has anybody used him? I wonder which of the above prices he uses as the baseline. Roger ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 00:27:01 PDT Subject: Carb synching is easy... I was a little scared of doing this myself but after talking it over with a few others, I though I'd give it a try. Here's how it works. Tools: --------- - Car-sycnh guage: Cheap one's go for around $35 and are basically several glass tubes filled with mercury. Plastic tubes run from the top of each column of mercury to small tubes on each carburator. 2 carbs on a PC will need two columns of mercury. Most guages are for 4 carbs so you'll have 2 extra. - Needle-nose pliers to get the little plugs of the vacumn connections on the carbs. - Small locking pliers. - Long philips screw driver to turn the synch screw. You can see it if you look carefully through the slot in the center of the air filter cover. My screw was painted yellow to make it easier to spot. Process: --------------- Hang the guage tool vertically (from the hand grip works). Using the pliers gently remove the small plug on one of the carbs on the right side of the bike. It's hard to describe and a picture is best used to show. The left side of the bike has the same thing but it's a tube, not a plug. I dont' recall the names of these things. The repair manual says to apply a vacumn to the tube that was removed (I use my mouth) and use a pair of locking pliers to pinch the hose and hold the vacumn, After that, start the bike and let it idle around 1200 rpm. Slowly roll on the throttle to 3000 rpm and note the columns of mercury on the guage. The goal is to have them even. Adjust the screw till they are even and back off the throttle slowly. Repeat going up and down to 3000 rpm's and keep adjusting the synch screw till they are even all the time. Once finished, put the hose and plug back in place and your done. Total time about 15-30 minutes once you've done it a few times. -bryceu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@MSC.MCEO.DG.COM, pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 21:17:32 PDT Subject: RE: "89 Wanted I have a stock shield tucked away in the garage that is in good condition. I spent a couple of hours one say buffing out the scratches so it's nearly perfect. I'm on a business trip right now and will only have a day at home before going on a 5 day tour of the Oregon Coast for the 4th of July. If you need it ASAP it will be tough to get packaged and shipped. If you can wait it would be much appreciated. How about $50 plus shipping? Reply to bryceu@microsoft.com with your address/phone. Thanks. -bryceu ---------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: To: Subject: "89 Wanted Date: Wednesday, June 28, 1995 3:03PM Looking for 1989 windshield in excellent (as in like new) condition. Must be some around with all those extended shields. Roger