********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:09:50 -0500 From: Jeffy3@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility - headlight > brighter headlight bulb, though I don't think I'm cruel enough to burn > the paint off of oncoming cars with an 80/100 bulb. I've got a 55/95 (or similar) on my old CB650. It was a major improvement over stock. I would have gone for an 80/100 but almost all of my milage is low-speed city, and I was concerned about the current drain on the battery. With proper aiming, I don't think the 80/100 would be too bad. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:05:43 -0500 From: GSMcQueen@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility Re: Greg, where did you get the lights you have mounted on your crash bars? Are they in housings, or they have a "kludged" look? They are from J.C.Whitney and are in a black plastic housings. They do not look bad, and are low enough with a tight beam pattern that I have ridden with them on and do not get flashed by oncoming traffic. On the 1000mi / 24hr ride that I installed them for the Gold Wings wanted to follow me at night. We were able to ride at speed even in the dark. The 80/100 is no problem, never get flashed either. There is a trick to changing the bulb though! Ride Safe Greg McQueen HSTA # 5685SU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: Re: Visibility To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 16:09:32 -0600 (CST) There is a trick to changing the bulb though! OK I'm hooked, I got an order from JC Whitney on the way, whats the trick to changing the bulb. Sounds like a straight men's line into a joke slam. Is it about not touching the bulb with you bare hand?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 16:16:22 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "BCM" == Bruce C Modlin writes: BCM> OK I'm hooked, I got an order from JC Whitney on the way, whats the BCM> trick to changing the bulb. What might you be ordering? If you're getting the extra lights for the crash bars, please let us know how it goes. Also, could someone let me in on JCW's phone number? BCM> Is it about not touching the bulb with you bare hand?? Now we all know you're not supposed to do that. I have a feeling it's about disassembling less of the fairing to get the bulb out. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:12:56 -0500 From: GSMcQueen@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility You can change out the H4 type bulb with 1 hand, without removing any part of the fairing once you know how the spring retension clip is attached. If you reach up from below on the front of the bike with your right hand you can remove the wiring harness. Then feel for the little round spring clip on the left side of the bulb as you are looking towards the bike. (I think it was the left, you will know when you feel it though) the spring is pushed down and swings out from the bulb so that the bulb can be removed with you 1 hand. With a little practice I have found that the H4 can be changed in 2 minutes time. This is a great thing to practice so that when and if it goes out on the road at night you can stick a replacement in with out a hitch. Give it a spin this weekend and let me know if that wasn't easier than removing some of the fairing, and a handy tidbit of info for when you are in a jam sometime! Ride Safe Greg McQueen HSTA # 5685SU Ride Safe Greg McQueen HSTA # 5685SU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:44:26 -0500 From: Jeffy3@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility >Also, could someone let me in on JCW's phone number? 312-431-6102 312-431-5625 (fax) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jeffdnkl@netcom.com (Jeffrey Dunkle) Subject: Re: Visibility To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) > There is a trick to changing the bulb though! > > OK I'm hooked, I got an order from JC Whitney on the way, whats > the trick to changing the bulb. Sounds like a straight men's line > into a joke slam. > > Is it about not touching the bulb with you bare hand?? If its one of those small, high intensity things....right....don't touch the glass. Finger oils could cause problems/breakage because of the extreme surface temperatures of the special glass. Most of those style bulbs have plenty of metal base, flange material to not let this be a problem. Ride safe. Jeff Dunkle jeffdnkl@netcom.com Pittsburgh, PA '75 R-90/6 AMA, ASTRA, BMWMOA, BMWRA ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: Jason? To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:27:37 -0600 (CST) Hey Jason, I would send you this direct but we just cleaned house on my files and everything is gone. I see where somebody gave you the JC Whitney phone numbers, I could send in the coupon for a free cataloge sent to you. Just email me your mailing address and I'll have them send you one. After you send in an order or just ask them they will send the Motorcycle mag as well as the regular one. I have used them for years for cheap parts for my previous bikes and other assorted vehicles. Sometimes junk but I love reading their ads, some haven't changed since the 50's! Beware of some of the electronic stuff, cheap but you'll need to be able to read Chinese. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: SA Edgeing To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:58:43 -0600 (CST) I installed the Stealth Edgeing on my PC. I have the Honda tall windshield but still wanted a little more coverage. Im 5 '11 and look right at the top of the windshield during regular riding. The Stealth edgeing was easy to apply, and does seem to put an envelope around the regular riding area. But I have the one problem everbody else does, I can't see through this stuff. The black edgeing goes right across my field of vision. So I'm trying to adapt and get used to it. I have found that any change in riding equipment will produce a period of time to adjust to it. Seems like any small change is greatly magnified on a bike. I was driving around last 2 weeks when the temps were above 40, now colder so I'm thinking about the wisdom of this edgeing. It causes me to move around more, up and down and around. Actually seems to keep me more alert. Traffic up ahead is the biggest problem. At a certain distance the cars are completely blocked out by the edgeing. This is not at a close range or real far away, about a block away. At the first day I rode with it I was ready to send it back, but I've come to try to keep it cause I do like what it does. Looks better on too. I did find that one day at dusk the edgeing was the only thing to block out the sun as I hid behind it like a rear view mirror on a car. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0747 Subject: I just got my PC800 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Name: Harrison Spain Location: Anaheim, CA Email: spain@ug.eds.com PC Model year (if you have one): 1989 (white) :-) Bought Used/New: Used Modifications made to bike: High windscreen, backrest (for the passenger only unfortunately), loud horns (a must!) I sure would like to see a way to put a backrest on my bike such that the rider can lean back a bit (good for my back on long rides). On my CX500, I was able to buy a backrest that fit on to the rack. At the time you could purchase a couple of "extender rods" that would move this back rest forward for the rider (very nice). If anyone knows where to get these rods, please let me know (I have a friend who would enjoy having a pair). I've ridden many bikes (minibikes in my "youth", Yamaha 350, BMW R50, Triumph Bonnie, Honda CX500) and decided to get back into riding now that I've lived in California for 10 years. It's a bit dicy riding around here but you can't complain about the weather! :-) I bought my 1989 PC500 used with only 2300 miles on it only a few months ago. It was very well taken care of (it just needed some dusting off); one owner, sold in 1990 and then never ridden. I'm ecstatic about owning one! I don't need to have the look of a cafe racer and enjoy the power, reliability, and (I must admit) the trunk space! ;-) Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wagaman To: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0747 Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0747 wrote: > PC Model year (if you have one): 1989 (white) :-) > Bought Used/New: Used > Modifications made to bike: High windscreen, backrest (for the > passenger only unfortunately), loud > horns (a must!) > :-) > > I bought my 1989 PC500 used with only 2300 miles on it only a few months ago. > It was very well taken care of (it just needed some dusting off); one owner, > sold in 1990 and then never ridden. I'm ecstatic about owning one! I don't > need to have the look of a cafe racer and enjoy the power, reliability, and (I > must admit) the trunk space! ;-) > > Harrison > If I may be so bold, how much did he want and how much did you pay. Mr Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0831 Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > > I bought my 1989 PC500 used with only 2300 miles on it only a few months ago. > > It was very well taken care of (it just needed some dusting off); one owner, > > sold in 1990 and then never ridden. I'm ecstatic about owning one! I don't > > need to have the look of a cafe racer and enjoy the power, reliability, and (I > > must admit) the trunk space! ;-) > > > > Harrison > > > If I may be so bold, how much did he want and how much did you pay. > Mr Bill I bought it through a dealer who had it marked for $4,000. The dealer was selling the bike for the owner. George (the previous owner) owns a surfboard shop and didn't ride much. The previous owner was a bit eccentric and must have bought the bike on a fluke. I was going to dicker but I had to wait several weeks lining up my financing (interpret this as convincing my wife that 1) I would not become road kill and 2) We could spent $4,000 we didn't have) ;-). I was so glad that the bike was still there after four weeks, I payed the full $4,000. Today, I know that $4,000 is an excellent deal for such a bike. I wanted the white color (I'm a safety fanatic when riding) and the 1989 was the only year that offered white. I wanted the back rest for the passenger and the high windscreen (I'm 6'4"). It just so happened this bike had both. I looked at the latest model (black at that time) and the bill came up to around $9,000. In short the bike was destined for me :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 (from Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0747 (at Wed, 08 Mar 1995 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT)) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 10:52:48 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Harrison (Harrison), in <01HNVWM8GNKI001AAR@UG.EDS.COM> on Mar 08 you wrote: > I sure would like to see a way to put a backrest on my bike such that the rider > can lean back a bit (good for my back on long rides). On my CX500, I was able Honda makes a short backrest for the PC800. I understand it supports the lower back pretty well (I've never ridden on the back of my pc :^) and the construction is a bit overkill. Don't remember what I paid. Something like $100 I believe. Seems expensive for just a backrest but there's $100 worth of stuff there IMHO. Note that this isn't an easychair type of backrest, but then most people riding behind me don't get much of a chance to nod off anyway... :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 09:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0926 Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > > I sure would like to see a way to put a backrest on my bike such that the rider > > can lean back a bit (good for my back on long rides). On my CX500, I was able > > Honda makes a short backrest for the PC800. I understand it supports > the lower back pretty well (I've never ridden on the back of my pc :^) > and the construction is a bit overkill. Don't remember what I paid. > Something like $100 I believe. Seems expensive for just a backrest > but there's $100 worth of stuff there IMHO. > > Note that this isn't an easychair type of backrest, but then most people > riding behind me don't get much of a chance to nod off anyway... :^) > > Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu I think I have this already. :-) Isn't it just for the passenger? I'd like something for the rider :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 (from Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 08-Mar-1995 0926 (at Wed, 08 Mar 1995 09:25:38 -0700 (PDT)) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 11:33:07 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Harrison (Harrison), in <01HNVZQI4N36001CHQ@UG.EDS.COM> on Mar 08 you wrote: > I think I have this already. :-) Isn't it just for the passenger? I'd like > something for the rider :-). Ok... Whatever... :^) Though (as I've said before here) I think you'll find that if you use your thighs to support yourself instead of your tailbone, you'll be a lot more comfortable in the long run. Then again, if you just take short trips you may not notice any difference. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 02:08:30 -0500 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: I just got my PC800 >I sure would like to see a way to put a backrest on my bike such >that the rider >can lean back a bit (good for my back on long rides). In Asheville NC during the Honda Hoot, I saw a PC with the optional backrest but with the brackets flipped over so that the backrest would work for the rider. I don't remember exactly what he had to do to get it to work, but I am afraid it required modifications that would make it impossible to use in its intended location again. The Corbin seat for the PC has an adjustable lumbar support/backrest for the rider but it is no taller than the stock seat back. If you could get Corbin or a custom upholsterer to build up the height of this back rest you would have what you want. The only other option is to modify one of those aftermarket Gold Wing back rests to bolt in the grab rail holes or make brackets to bolt there that would let you attach something. Sounds like it may be a lot of trouble, but let us know if you come up with anything. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 15:21:15 TZ Subject: Hondaline makes PC800 luggage? Was scanning the "catalog" pages in Cycle World and spotted several accessories for the PC800 listed. Curious if anyone has tried these and would like to comment. I've included the tall shield and backrest prices for the curious. Vendor is Competition Accessories at 1-800-543-4709 if anyone wants to order something or get a catalog. Front Nose Mask - $47 Inner Trunk Bags - $52 Clear Scuff Pads - $34 Inner trunk light - $29 Carpet mat set, Trunk - $24 Backrest -- $156 Large Windscreen - $194 I have the light, backrest. and a Rifle shield and can attest they work well. Mostly curious about the carpet and trunk bags for touring purposes. -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp. '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hondaline makes PC800 luggage? Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 17:47:41 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III BU> Mostly curious about the carpet and trunk bags for touring purposes. I've seen these. The mats are just pieces of carpet that do in the bottom and up the sides of the trunk. The bags are just that: bags sized to fit the trunk. They were of average quality, I'd say, though I didn't look very hard at them. None of these goodies increase your storage capacity. Now if someone would make a top box.... - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:03:39 -0500 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Hondaline makes PC... Jason L. Tibbitts III writes: >Now if someone would make a top box.... There is a top box made by Givi that has a bracket for the PC. The bracket is $94.95 and will work with a variety of styles ranging in size from 34 liter to 50 liter and price from $134.95 to $299.95. The distributor for Givi is Capital Cycle Corporation at 21580 Beaumeade Circle, Ashburn VA 22011. Telephone (800) 642-5100. Call and they will send you a brochure/price list. The products look like high quality, stylish accessories but are a bit pricey. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: 94 PC800 for sale Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 22:18:01 CST Ad in the Texas Cycle Trader mag: (Houston) Bob Lunsford's NW Honda 1994 PC 2k miles $5598 I don't know anything about this bike, but thought I would post this as a comparison to some of the recent discussions. Maybe someone in the Houston area could report on the bike if convenient. Sounds like a reasonable deal if it's in good condition Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 18:16:51 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Is it just me or what? I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that the starter should not crank the engine unless the ignition kill switch was in the run position. My girlfriends Yamaha FZR600 is setup this way. The other day, I hit the "off" switch by accident while getting ready to start and it took a bit of cranking before I realized what had happened. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 13-Mar-1995 1537 Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > From: MAILER::IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" 13-MAR-1995 15:21:44.62 > To: IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" > CC: > Subj: PC800: Is it just me or what? > > I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that the starter should not > crank the engine unless the ignition kill switch was in the run position. My > girlfriends Yamaha FZR600 is setup this way. The other day, I hit the "off" > switch by accident while getting ready to start and it took a bit of cranking > before I realized what had happened. The kill switch on all the bikes I've ridden have just shorted the spark plugs to ground :-). Don't feel bad, I've cranked mine a bit before discovering the switch in the kill position (my kids love to play with the switches). Over time, I've realized that if the PC800 doesn't fire up right away, the switch is on kill. In other words, the PC800 runs so well, it fires up real quick every time :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:41:53 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "NT" == NThompso writes: NT> I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that the starter NT> should not crank the engine unless the ignition kill switch was in the NT> run position. I would tent to agree, but it's not much of a big deal and I think it saves on complexity. The current draw for the ignition would have to go either through the kill switch (need a big switch) or through a relay (need more wires and a relay). If you were up to it you could probably wire this together pretty easily. NT> The other day, I hit the "off" switch by accident while getting ready NT> to start and it took a bit of cranking before I realized what had NT> happened. I used to do this all the time until I got used to having a kill switch. Sure can be embarrassing. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? (from NThompso@aol.com) (at Mon, 13 Mar 1995 18:16:51 -0500) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 20:50:50 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi NThompso (NThompso), in <950313181650_48367298@aol.com> on Mar 13 you wrote: > I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that the starter should not > crank the engine unless the ignition kill switch was in the run position. My On the other hand, that 'feature' can come in handy if you ever do your own maintenance/repairs or if you somehow manage to flood the engine. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:07:59 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Is it just me or w... After posting the question, I realized that if I were changing my own oil, I might want to turn the engine over a crank or two to drain the last of the oil without it firing. I figured that I could switch it to 'RUN' and just pull the plug wires...if I could get to them! Do you suppose that they were thinking about this at Honda when they designed the circuitry. "Let see, since we've made the engine quite inaccessible, perhaps we should ..." ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Is it just me or w... (from NThompso@aol.com) (at Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:07:59 -0500) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 10:16:37 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi NThompso (NThompso), in <950314110757_49094814@aol.com> on Mar 14 you wrote: > After posting the question, I realized that if I were changing my own oil, I > might want to turn the engine over a crank or two to drain the last of the > oil without it firing. I figured that I could switch it to 'RUN' and just > pull the plug wires...if I could get to them! Do you suppose that they were > thinking about this at Honda when they designed the circuitry. "Let see, > since we've made the engine quite inaccessible, perhaps we should ..." Actually I think a previous post hit on the reason - it's cheaper the way they did it, and in my experience, every bike I've ever checked this on behaved the way the PC800 does. Though as the original pointed out, apparently there are some bikes with a lockout installed. :^) But IMHO, you are correct wrt maintenance, and I'd rather have it the way it is. Kinda like the sidestand lockout, which I don't like. Sure it probably saves a few people from taking off with the sidestand down, but I always used the sidestand to trigger traffic lights as it is cast iron and works a lot better than the centerstand. :^( One of these days I'll probably get around to bypassing it. ...or maybe it's like helmet laws. :^) :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:05:03 PST From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:39:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 13-Mar-1995 1537 > > Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? > To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > > > From: MAILER::IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" 13-MAR-1995 15:21:44.62 > > To: IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" > > CC: > > Subj: PC800: Is it just me or what? > > > > I was wondering if I was the only one who thought that the starter should not > > crank the engine unless the ignition kill switch was in the run position. My > > girlfriends Yamaha FZR600 is setup this way. The other day, I hit the "off" > > switch by accident while getting ready to start and it took a bit of cranking > > before I realized what had happened. > > The kill switch on all the bikes I've ridden have just shorted the spark plugs > to ground :-). Don't feel bad, I've cranked mine a bit before discovering the > switch in the kill position (my kids love to play with the switches). > > Over time, I've realized that if the PC800 doesn't fire up right away, the > switch is on kill. In other words, the PC800 runs so well, it fires up real > quick every time :-). > > Harrison > I think, if you had the spare time on your hands to investigate, you would discover that this is something specific to Hondas in general. I have a 1981 Honda CB-750C that does exactly the same thing. My buddy has a Honda of similar vintage and it does it too. Apparently Soichiro-san et al didn't think it was necessary, as long as the bike didn't start. Ramin ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: oil filter wrench To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:01:42 -0600 (CST) You guys may have already gone over this but I found a cheap and easy way to take the oil filter off without paying Honda for a specialty wrench. I took a standard 10inch pipe wrench and opened it all the way up. Of course the bike is on the centerstand, then opened the sidestand. I stuck the pipe wrench on the top of the filter, like picking up a pop bottle from the top, not the normal way of around the side. From the top I then adjusted the wrench, had to tighten it a little. Then used my free hand to push the two ends of the wrench down on the top of the filter for a snug fit. C Careful not to be too rough here, looking for a snug fit but don't want to puncture the filter. Once the wrench is snug, hold the top and pull the wrench down, Worked the first time. Was able to take it off from there with a standard hand spin technique. Just as easy to tighten. This may seem like simple stuff but It felt like a victory for me!. I'm still trying to figure out how to change the headlight bulb per the method described earlier. Can't seem to one hand the wiring harness apart without pulling things apart that should'nt be. Never liked to take a bike into the shop just for a oil change. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: handgrips To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:07:01 -0600 (CST) Stupid question alert. Any way to take off the existing hand grips and not damage them? I got new ones but not sure if I will like them once installed. They are larger, puffier rubber that feel good but the right hand side has this large bump on it like a ships rudder that is supposed to fit in your palm and allow for easier hand control. I don't know if I'll like it until I try it out. Supposed to be able to adjust it to the right spot so that the throttle stays constant and the knob part acts like a cruise control. I'm sceptical. I can cut off the grips, but can you heat them and slide them out?? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 01:02:15 -0500 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: handgrips Bruce C. Modlin writes: > Any way to take off the existing hand grips >and not damage them? I took mine off about a year and a half ago without cutting them. It was hard work twisting and pulling to get them off. There is an adhesive, similar to a contact cement, that is helping hold the grips in place. Without the adhesive the grips would probably slip off without much trouble. To end the story, I got tired of the larger "touring style" grips (wasn't my idea to get them to begin with) and finally put my stock grips back on. No adhesive involved and everything went much better. I was even able to make adjustments in the way the grips were aligned after slipping them on. I also haven't noticed any shifting or twisting in my old grips, even without any sticky stuff. I don't know if this has been any help. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: handgrips (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Thu, 16 Mar 1995 01:02:15 -0500) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 08:52:48 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <950316010211_51069523@aol.com> on Mar 16 you wrote: > > Any way to take off the existing hand grips > >and not damage them? Back when handlebars were tubes and the handgrips had little holes in the ends, you could plug the far end and apply an air hose to the one you wanted to remove. It would pop right off. :^) Unfortunately that's not feasable nowadays. > I took mine off about a year and a half ago without cutting them. It was > hard work twisting and pulling to get them off. There is an adhesive, > similar to a contact cement, that is helping hold the grips in place. Exactly. What I've done in the past (long time ago, so memory is a bit vague) was to roll the inside back and squirt some solvent (don't remember what I used) down inside the grip and then work it off. Now that I know what kind of grip works for me, it's not worth the effort and I just cut them off with a razor knife. > Without the adhesive the grips would probably slip off without much trouble. > To end the story, I got tired of the larger "touring style" grips (wasn't my > idea to get them to begin with) and finally put my stock grips back on. No Advice? :^) don't bother with those big cushiony grips. The ones that have worked the best for me are the ones that have little firm rubber 'blocks' all over them. I.e. the grip surface is not continuous. I think the ones I'm using right now are called 'SportBike' or something like that. There are several other brands like them that have worked well in the past, but I like these better than any others (I've probably been through at least 12 sets of aftermarket grips). Apparently having the separate little rubber 'blocks' goes a long way in absorbing vibration, yet the grip is still firm enough to not require much force to control and they last quite a while. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:11:06 -0600 "PC800: handgrips" (Mar 15, 6:07pm) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: handgrips One day at a local bike repair shop, I was with a fellow Honda rider and we were BSing with the owner/mechanic, while he was installing a new set of grips on my friend's V65 Saber, which has the same type of grips as the PC. The owner/mechanic removed the metal end pieces and simply picked up an air nozzle (of course, pressurized air from an air compressor) and blasted air under the grips (between the old grips and the metal bar) ...a quick twisting motion, and the grips sliped off slicker than snot. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: handgrips Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:49:12 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Now my question: a friend's grips have loosened to the point that the left-hand grip rotates freely. He finds this annoying. I find it amazing that if came loose at all, since he only has 16000 miles on the bike. What should he use to glue the grip back down? - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 07:54:34 EST From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Looking for a PC800 Well, I've gotten pretty serious about buying a PC800. I got to ride one the other day, and was fairly happy with the ride. The biggest problem is helmet buffet over the short windscreen. Honda wants a whole pile of money for a taller screen; is that an aftermarket windscreen that's about 3 inches taller than stock? Also, is there a passenger backrest available? Anyone know of a good deal on a PC800, preferably in the mid-atlantic area? I'd prefer a red one, but will consider others. Thanks. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 07:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 17-Mar-1995 0738 Subject: Re: Looking for a PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > Well, I've gotten pretty serious about buying a PC800. I got to ride one the > other day, and was fairly happy with the ride. The biggest problem is helmet > buffet over the short windscreen. Honda wants a whole pile of money for a taller > screen; is that an aftermarket windscreen that's about 3 inches taller than > stock? Also, is there a passenger backrest available? I have the taller screen (I'm 6'4") and still get the wind noise. Hopefully you will have better luck :-). The passenger backrest is available but it is kinda short. Ask your dealer to show you the options catalogue for the PC800. | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: Re: handgrips To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:41:24 -0600 (CST) > > Now my question: a friend's grips have loosened to the point that the > left-hand grip rotates freely. He finds this annoying. I find it amazing > that if came loose at all, since he only has 16000 miles on the bike. What > should he use to glue the grip back down? > > - J > You can use an adhesive, but I just put mine on nice and snug by running a layer of black friction tape once around the handlebars. It was easy to take off the factory grips, they do have some adhesive applied. I used a hair dryer to soften them up some, then wedged a large flat screwdriver all the way through and worked in around inside the grip. Then a magic shot of WD40 and the grips pulled off slicker than snot!. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 18:35:35 TZ Subject: Re: handgrips I haven't done motorcycle grips but for mtn. bikes I've used hair spray. Spray the bar liberally, slide the grip on, and a few hours later it's mounted good and firm. Bonus: The hair spray works as a lubricant getting the grip on. Commercial adhesives are avail designed for grips. A bicycle store is your best place to find it if you really want the real thing. ---------- | From: Bruce C. Modlin | To: | Subject: Re: handgrips | Date: Friday, March 17, 1995 5:41PM | | > | > Now my question: a friend's grips have loosened to the point that the | > left-hand grip rotates freely. He finds this annoying. I find it amazing | > that if came loose at all, since he only has 16000 miles on the bike. What | > should he use to glue the grip back down? | > | > - J | > | You can use an adhesive, but I just put mine on nice and snug by | running a layer of black friction tape once around the handlebars. | It was easy to take off the factory grips, they do have some adhesive | applied. I used a hair dryer to soften them up some, then wedged a | large flat screwdriver all the way through and worked in around inside | the grip. Then a magic shot of WD40 and the grips pulled off slicker | than snot!. | | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Fiamm Ari Horns Installed. Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 09:31:36 CST After another altercation yesterday where it was clear that my old 110db diaphram 'Fiamm' lookalikes just weren't accomplishing the intended goal, I dropped by the local Western Auto and picked up a set of Genuine Fiamm (plastic) Air Horns. They are in place and they are good and Loud. Installation report to follow soon. I installed them pretty much where the old horns were installed - behind the mirror mount plates, with the long horn on the throttle side and the short horn at the front of the plate on the clutch side. The air compressor is mounted behind the short horn. There was *exactly* enough air tubing to tie everything together. :^( I'm still attempting to determine a way to mount the old horns somewhere... Looks like I'll have to manufacture a mount for them if I'm going to locate them in front of the trunk though. Might have to postpone this project till I have more time. Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Fiamm Air Horns: Continued Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:35:09 CST Ok... All four horns are in place. I moved the old diaphram horns inside the front crashbars - directed to the sides. Used hose clamps with a couple of strips of old hand grips to simulate rubber mounts :^) and just clamped them to the lower inside frame bar. Everything fits nicely, though putting the air compressor where I did negates ever installing a speaker in the left speaker cutout, but I don't think I'll ever have a problem with that. However, I must admit that I haven't actually tried All Four Horns at the same time yet... When checking out the wiring, I disconnected the air hose from the compressor to keep the neighbors from calling the cops on me :^) I think I'm afraid to actually use them :^( and am seriously thinking of wiring in a switch so I can disable the air horns when desired. No such thing as a friendly toot the way things are now. Good thing I wear a helmet... Put a rotating light on top and I think I'd pass for a fire truck. I anyone is really interested, I can write up the mounting instructions, but I don't think I'll go to the effort unless someone really needs it. (I think maybe my last message should suffice) Actually, I feel a little bad about things now, as my son told me today (he was on the back when the incident occurred) that when I layed on the horns, the guy driving the car was so scared that he appeared to just freeze. So maybe that's why he failed to yield the right-of-way when I hit the horns. If my son had told me that before I bought the Fiamms, I probably wouldn't have them now. But I've have several cases lately where the car driver simply chose to ignore me, and I had already almost decided to try them out (as I mentioned earlier). So I'll probably try them out on some deserted stretch of highway in the next couple of days. Maybe they'll work as air brakes too... :^) Suspect I won't need that paintball rifle hooked to the horn switch I was mulling over... Might need a cellular phone to call 911 for the heart attacks I'm afraid I'll induce though. Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:02:18 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Recent Sightings To who ever was looking at buying a Mid-Atlantic PC, I thought I'd offer the following recent ads I saw. I don't think that you are likely to be interested in any of these bikes but might be interested in the prices. Two of these I have posted in the past but if you are new to the list, you might have missed them. HSTA newsletter January '95 Issue: FOR SALE: Honda PC800 Pearl Grey '89 model, loaded Absolutely Showroom condition, always garaged, 11K Miles. Labswool Seat, Tall Windshield, Hondaline Kenwood AM/FM Radio, Rear Spoiler, Throttle Lock, Wind Wings, Not Cheap, $5375. If you want a first class bike, this is it G. Boyce Bazzel, AL, W 205/592-4900, H 205/592-8181. FOR SALE: '89 Pacific Coast, pearl white, 800 V-Twin sport tourer, 8,000 miles, excellent condition, $4000, Mike Harris, Charlotte, NC, 704/393/3257 (H), 704/391/8567 Arizona Republic (Sunday 3/19/95) I don't have the exact text but to the best of my recollection it was as follows: '89 Pacific Coast 16K miles, $3900 If by chance anybody is interested in the exact details of the third one, let me know and I'll pull the paper out of the recycling bin. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:02:19 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Image is everything Does anybody have a scanned picture of a PC800? I just got a screen saver which I can put my own pictures into. I have some PC800 pics scanned but would be interested in more. I checked the rec.moto archives and there are none. I am trying to find out who to send them to so that we can be represented. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:41:00 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Image is everything Just after posting the question I did double check the Cycle World area on AOL and found a pretty nice '95 PC800 pic there which I downloaded. I think it was from their '95 Buyer' Guide Issue. I noticed that the '95 Buyer's Guide listed the price of the PC800 at $7699. I bet they'll move 'em out like hot cakes at that price. Not. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:35:10 -0700 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Web news!!! Thanks to the efforts of Loki Jorgenson, we now have a Web page. I will be updating the Web page as I get a chance. If any of you have input, please send it to me. This can perhaps be our best advertising. See also Loki's page and consider sending him a thank-you note for hosting our page. My latest count shows we now have 37 subscribers. The Web page is already out of date (B-)#. To any recent subscribers, it is common practice to introduce yourself to the group. I try to keep track of year owned (if any) and how purchased (new/used) and when purchased. I have also posted the cover picture on the Web page in the rec.motorcycles image archive. FTP to ftp.cecm.sfu.ca to download pub/RMR/Honda/94PC800.jpg. I recently changed jobs and don't have newsreader service at my new place so if anybody would like to announce the WWW page in rec.moto please do so. Let me know if you do. If I don't hear from someone in a while, I'll post from my AOL account, not as convenient as my old account but I can do that. > The PC800 Web page is born.... > > http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR/PC800.html > > and I point at it from my page. The mail-in comments interface is > not functional. Security issues. One day I'll fix that..... hope > you don't mind. > > Welcome to the Web !! > >P.S. Drop off complete updated pages at your convenience. > >--- _ ___ >'gards, \\ / ___\ > \\(=/___ >Loki Jorgenson \/ ___/ Keeper of the Reviews (KotR) >loki@cecm.sfu.ca / / Centre for Experimental & >(604) 291-5616/3331 / // \ Constructive Mathematics >(fax) 291-5614/4947 / / \ \ Simon Fraser University >ftp: ftp.cecm.sfu.ca (o/ \__) Burnaby, B.C. CANADA >http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/RMR.html V5A 1S6 > > -* Mechanistically sociopathic *- > > > ***************************************************** Neill Thompson TRG Inc. 2929 N. Central Ave. Phoenix, AZ 85012 (602)263-4223 (602)263-4222 (fax) (602)582-6040 (home) nthompso@aol.com (home) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Web news!!! (from thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:35:10 -0700) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 11:00:57 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in <9503231635.AA38885@trg.trglink.com> on Mar 23 you wrote: > Thanks to the efforts of Loki Jorgenson, we now have a Web page. I will be > updating the Web page as I get a chance. If any of you have input, please > send it to me. This can perhaps be our best advertising. See also Loki's Great! Thanks Much However, the performance and fuel consumption figures are Waaaay off from all the PC's I've come into contact with. That was apparently an '89 the tests were done with. Were they that much worse than the '90's??? My *in-town* gas mileage averages just over 45 mpg - range about 180 miles including reserve. Highway averages 50 - range just over 200 miles. I know it doesn't take me 5.6 seconds to hit 60 (just under 5 seconds it looks like), Indicated max speed was 125 (can't believe the speedo was that far off) and it wasn't out of power - I just didn't go any faster. Mine came with a Dunlop Rear 140/90-15, not the 140/80 as indicated. Were the tests run with a passenger? As they seem about right in that case... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:52:12 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Web news!!! I just report 'em as I read 'em. I think I cited the source and I think you are correct in the '89 assumption. Personally, I seem to hover around the 45 mpg mark but I have a little bit of a problem reporting that anecdotal type of stuff. I have been trying to keep the Web page as objective as possible. I have been viewing it as a list of resources (articles, after-market vendors, organizations, etc.). Perhaps if we could survey the PC800 list and report the results from a broad population it may be more meaningful. One of the neat features of the WWW is the fill-in-the-form type stuff. As Loki indicated, the mail piece is not working. If/when we get that stuff working, perhaps we can put up a questionaire and get a bunch of info from the population in general. Then we could post the results. I hope to quote the Cycle World Buyer's Guide as a new reference in my next update to the page. Unfortunately the specs thumbnail is painfully terse. Keep those cards and letters coming. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:27:58 -0700 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: thompson@trg.trglink.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Another sighting Garage kept, oversized windscreen with original windscreen in box. Backrest, shop manual and extra oil filter. $3900 Call (804)448-4402. Located 20 miles south of Fredericksburg, 30 miles north of Richmond, right off I-95. How's that for Mid Atlantic!!! ***************************************************** Neill Thompson TRG Inc. 2929 N. Central Ave. Phoenix, AZ 85012 (602)263-4223 (602)263-4222 (fax) (602)582-6040 (home) nthompso@aol.com (home) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 15:44:20 EST From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Another sighting Thanks a million; I've got a call into him already! That's less than 2 hours from me. _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Another sighting From: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu at -smtp- Date: 3/23/95 1:27 PM Garage kept, oversized windscreen with original windscreen in box. Backrest, shop manual and extra oil filter. $3900 Call (804)448-4402. Located 20 miles south of Fredericksburg, 30 miles north of Richmond, right off I-95. How's that for Mid Atlantic!!! ***************************************************** Neill Thompson TRG Inc. 2929 N. Central Ave. Phoenix, AZ 85012 (602)263-4223 (602)263-4222 (fax) (602)582-6040 (home) nthompso@aol.com (home) ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: '89 PC for sale in Houston, $3995 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:02:13 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Well, I went to my insurance agent to bend over for renewal ($803 / year, full coverage). While there I noticed a used '89 PC for sale. 14960 miles Stereo Rear Spoiler Passenger Backrest Gold pinstriping (looked rather nice) Some kind of skirting under the rear third of the bike (also looked neat) What looked like a CB antenna Honda tall windshield Slightly leaking left fork seal Some rust on the fork clamps, as if the bike had seen road salt. All in all a pretty nice looking bike, though I didn't hear it started. This is a surprisingly low price from a dealer; most of the private sales seem to be asking $1K more. They'd probably deal lower. This is at Pasadena Honda; I can dig up the number of anyone's interested. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale in Houston, $3995 (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:02:13 -0600) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 19:43:33 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9503250002.AA11419@tcamc.uh.edu> on Mar 24 you wrote: > Well, I went to my insurance agent to bend over for renewal ($803 / year, > full coverage). While there I noticed a used '89 PC for sale. > > This is at Pasadena Honda; I can dig up the number of anyone's interested. Can't find the ad to confirm, but this sounds like the same bike that I mentioned last week or so. Pretty sure it was a Pasadena Honda ad though. BTW, back in '92, I saw a really neat pass. backrest that had molded 'handles' which wrapped around the top/back side of the backrest and bolted into the top of the trunk on either side somehow. Never could determine where it came from and haven't seen the bike since. Anyone else seen this backrest anywhere? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: '89 PC for sale in Houston, $3995 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 23:48:35 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III KP> Can't find the ad to confirm, but this sounds like the same bike that I KP> mentioned last week or so. Pretty sure it was a Pasadena Honda ad KP> though. I checked the archives and you mentioned a '94 for sale at Lunsford's NW Honda, but that's across the city. Neill also mentioned a few for sale but none were in Texas. Where were all of these bikes when I was trying to find one? - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 01:17:09 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: who pc800 who pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: who pc800 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 00:22:21 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "N" == NThompso writes: N> who pc800 Oops. I somehow thought that those got filtered out. I suppose I'll have to make a quick run through the code. As a reminder: send commands intended for the list software to majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu. You can also use the internet-standard pc800-request@tcamc.uh.edu. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 01:46:45 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Flame on! Ok, so I screwed up. I have been trying to keep track of how many of you subscribers are out there and I screwed up. In case you're curious, the last time I got the question right, the answer was 39 subscribers. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 26-Mar-1995 1832 Subject: Radio/CB on a PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu I'm ready to put in a radio/CB (or just radio) on my PC800. Any suggestions? Today, I'm using a chatterbox with a walkman plugged in but I'd like to build it in to the cycle itself (tuning a walkman while you are riding is a risky affair!) ;-). Did you know that there is a "audio accessory" plug that is capped near the battery? This leads me to believe there is a system made for the bike. What unit(s) have you tried? How did it mount? Harrison | Harrison M. Spain | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | Systems Support Manager | Fax: (714) 952-5371 | | EDS Unigraphics | Internet: spain@ug.eds.com | | Cypress, CA 90630 | UUCP: ...uunet!ug!spain | ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:58:47 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (EY MurphEY) Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? >> From: MAILER::IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" 13-MAR-1995 15:21:44.62 >> To: IN%"pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu" >> CC: >> Subj: PC800: Is it just me or what? >I don't really need everything to be stupid proof ...I can do my bike check >before riding...we all have to take responsibility for operating our macines >not the other way around....good luck... who makes sure that your zipper is zipped...is there an alarm on it? Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:10:53 -0500 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (EY MurphEY) Subject: Re: who pc800 pc800 is a honda motorcyle of classy dimensions....PC = Pacofic Coast 800 cc engine by Honda Motorcylces Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:19:42 -0500 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: ey@forum.swarthmore.edu (EY MurphEY) Subject: hello E.Y. Murphey 646 Foss Ave. Drexel Hill, PA 19026 1994 Black and Chrome other than the extra windage that is really bothersome at about 60mph this is the perfect bike the addition ofSAENG/TA micro swirl edging is perfect to add the needed air envelope for all year riding. Do any of you find the riding characteristic affect by wind alot, especially at 55-65 mph? keep the set up right! ey 88 Lov ey {88} ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:26:11 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "HS" == SPAIN writes: HS> I'm ready to put in a radio/CB (or just radio) on my PC800. Any HS> suggestions? I just have a tank bag with a Sony CD player in it and headphones embedded in the helmet lining. I really wish there was some kind of switch pod I could mount to the left handlebar. With one of those I could hack one of the Sony wired remotes and have a ball. HS> Did you know that there is a "audio accessory" plug that is capped near HS> the battery? Yes, this is where the Hondaline radio connects. The trunk light assembly plugs in there, too, and includes another receptacle. Unfortunately, you just can't seem to get these anymore. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 07:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 27-Mar-1995 0732 Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > HS> Did you know that there is a "audio accessory" plug that is capped near > HS> the battery? > > Yes, this is where the Hondaline radio connects. The trunk light assembly > plugs in there, too, and includes another receptacle. Unfortunately, you > just can't seem to get these anymore. > --- > Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 > System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation > 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S > d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** I assume you mean the radio is not available anymore :-). I just purchased the trunk light and installed it over the weekend. The harness and design is outstanding. I was curious what a $30 trunk light could do for me so I just ordered it from the options catalogue and I've been very happy with it (be prepared to do some cutting to get it installed). With so much nifty blank real estate on the PC800, I would think there would be clocks, radios, etc. all fitted for touring. What did they intend those blank areas to the left and right of the instrument panel for? Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 (from Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 27-Mar-1995 0732 (at Mon, 27 Mar 1995 07:38:09 -0700 (PDT)) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 09:58:04 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Harrison (Harrison), in <01HOMFISDRAQ002FXT@UG.EDS.COM> on Mar 27 you wrote: > With so much nifty blank real estate on the PC800, I would think there would be > clocks, radios, etc. all fitted for touring. What did they intend those blank > areas to the left and right of the instrument panel for? The Hondaline radio speakers. Of course, that area on my PC is taken up with a much louder noisemaker now. :^) (Fiamm air horn compressor) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:25:55 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> The Hondaline radio speakers. Of course, that area on my PC is taken KP> up with a much louder noisemaker now. :^) (Fiamm air horn compressor) Yes, you see, Kent has this problem of falling asleep while riding, so he mounted horns where the speakers would go. ^_^ Actually, I'd like to see a picture of this. I was worming around in the fairing yesterday and found that there is quite a bit of space up in there, but that it's pretty tough to get to without taking off piles of plastic. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:25:55 -0600) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 10:33:19 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9503271625.AA18162@tcamc.uh.edu> on Mar 27 you wrote: > Yes, you see, Kent has this problem of falling asleep while riding, so he > mounted horns where the speakers would go. ^_^ With a deadman switch hooked to the horn. :^) > Actually, I'd like to see a picture of this. I was worming around in the > fairing yesterday and found that there is quite a bit of space up in there, > but that it's pretty tough to get to without taking off piles of plastic. Yep. Doing a project like this pretty much requires removing all the front plastic. As for a picture, imagine removing the black panel around your instrument panel (or just do it :^). About a half inch or so from the backside of the left speaker hole sits the Fiamm air compressor, bolted to the backside of the left mirror-mounting plate. The short air horn is mounted just below and towards the front of the plate from the compressor. Guess I should have taken a picture so someone could scan it... :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:02:12 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 Regarding the vacant real estate, I was interested in adding a clock to the instrumentation. I muddled around a bit and finally did what I saw on a PC800 parked at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon last fall. The owner had mounted one of those cheap ($2) little half-dollar-sized peel-and-stick velcro fastener clocks in the center of the tach. That's what I did. The problem is that it is not a lighted dial. The good thing about it is that it is non-destructive. No cutting or drilling. I usually like to make modifications in such a way that I can always put it back the way it was with minimum hassle. Standard accessories such as the trunk light are a little different but if I have to do some cutting, I may go ahead and buy a replacement piece and cut that one leaving the original part intact for later re-installation if I (or the next owner) should ever have a change of heart. I've seen too many classic cars which would really be special if some bozo hadn't . . . ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:02:12 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: naked PC800 Does she go? Wink wink nudge nudge. Know what I mean? Say no more! Say no more! (Monty Python) Kent, or anybody: I haven't undressed my PC yet and don't quite feel like doing it just for the cheap thrill I would get but I am sort of curious to see what it looks like under the covers. I would love to see a picture (or pi ctures) scanned that we could add to the photo archive on our WWW page. Full or partial PC800 nudity would be a real treat. Next time anybody attends a Tupperware party, snap some pictures. Jason, do I remember you saying you had access to a scanner? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Harrison Spain - 714-952-6114 - Callback 3-772 27-Mar-1995 1037 Subject: Re: Radio/CB on a PC800 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > Regarding the vacant real estate, I was interested in adding a clock to the > instrumentation. I muddled around a bit and finally did what I saw on a > PC800 parked at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon last fall. The owner had > mounted one of those cheap ($2) little half-dollar-sized peel-and-stick > velcro fastener clocks in the center of the tach. That's what I did. The > problem is that it is not a lighted dial. The good thing about it is that it > is non-destructive. No cutting or drilling. I usually like to make > modifications in such a way that I can always put it back the way it was with > minimum hassle. Standard accessories such as the trunk light are a little > different but if I have to do some cutting, I may go ahead and buy a > replacement piece and cut that one leaving the original part intact for later > re-installation if I (or the next owner) should ever have a change of heart. > I've seen too many classic cars which would really be special if some bozo > hadn't . . . I found a rectangular clock and glued it to the panel. Unfortunately, the sun burned it out somehow (the display kinda faded away). I replaced it with another rectangular clock that has a bracket that sticks to the panel. The clock slides into the bracket :-). In this way, if the clock is damaged or stolen, I can just purchase another one and slide it into the bracket. Works great so far but as was pointed out, I sure would like one that has a nice blue back light (like the instrument panel) and runs off the bike battery :-). Harrison ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Re: naked PC800 (from NThompso@aol.com) (at Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:02:12 -0500) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 12:44:20 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi NThompso (NThompso), in <950327130210_62649535@aol.com> on Mar 27 you wrote: > Kent, or anybody: I haven't undressed my PC yet and don't quite feel like > doing it just for the cheap thrill I would get but I am sort of curious to > see what it looks like under the covers. I would love to see a picture (or pi I already have some pictures somewhere... Don't have any with the Fiamms in there, but I have a couple of shots with the front decloaked and then a couple with the rear decloaked showing the Works Performance rear shocks. and... Newsflash! I just found someone with a color scanner. It'll probably take me a few days to find the pictures (I'm building a house and everything is packed up where I can't find it anymore :^( Who do I need to send the jpegs to? What size? I'd tend to want to squish them down to a manageable size like say 640x480 or something like that. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: naked PC800 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:54:41 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Who do I need to send the jpegs to? What size? I'd tend to want to KP> squish them down to a manageable size like say 640x480 or something KP> like that. You can ftp them to sina.tcamc.uh.edu in /pub/incoming/pc800. As for size, for me bigger is better and they can be scaled later. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:26:14 -0500 From: Tj3768@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: naked PC800 If you cant find anyone with a scanner...I have a 24bit Flatbed here..and I would be happy to scan the pic(s) for you...and the best thing is....free Hows that? ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: New tire survey To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:36:09 -0600 (CST) Now I know I've seen you guys talk about your recommendations for tires for this bike, so at the risk of getting slammed, how about recommendations I thought I saw once where somebody said you could use different size than what was stock. I assume all models had the same tire 120/80-17 front 140/80-15 rear I see mostly the 90 series tires around in catalogues, I assume its the same tire only "taller". I have seen talk about mixing the types on the bike. More info please Metzeler were discussed, they have a ML/2 Marathon that fits front and back for about $100 apeace. Any comments? I have seen some of you guys talk about hard riding and the performance of the tires, I'm really looking for all weather traction. (Perhaps I should buy a Hummer!) My experience over the years with bikes was the name brand tires didn't perform any better over time than the no frills kind. I had put new tires on my last Virago from J.C. Whitney. (I feel I can admit this to the group without fear of flames). They were fine, better than the originals and cost $100 for the pair. Made in China I think. Cheng-shin Hi max I think. The factory Dunlops are too slippery for me, first time I rode this bike in rain it was like being on ice. Or better yet when I went around a corner it was like a bagel tire on a bed of cream cheese. The bike would shudder when I downshifted and I wasn't driving like a maniac. I've got 8k on these and want more traction and control withing reason. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: New tire survey (from bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin)) (at Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:36:09 -0600 (CST)) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 16:07:04 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Bruce (Bruce C. Modlin), in <9503282136.AA25534@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> on Mar 28 you wrote: > Now I know I've seen you guys talk about your recommendations for > tires for this bike, so at the risk of getting slammed, how about > recommendations > I see mostly the 90 series tires around in catalogues, I assume its the > same tire only "taller". Correct. My experience is that the sidewall flexes too much on the 90's and I'm going back to an 80 on the rear. > I have seen talk about mixing the types on the bike. More info please Best thing to do is check with the tire manuf. Metzler Tires . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (610)458-9662 Tech Line. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (800)722-3336 (while you're at it, maybe put in a plug for a decent 15" tire, such as an ME55 in a 15 incher. :^) > Metzeler were discussed, they have a ML/2 Marathon that fits front and > back for about $100 apeace. Any comments? The ML/2's seem to do pretty well for most PC800 folks. It's the best rear tire I've found for it. > I have seen some of you guys talk about hard riding and the performance > of the tires, I'm really looking for all weather traction. (Perhaps Often, a good rain tire happens to be a high-performance tire. :^) I'm running a Metzeler ME33 radial up front and nothing that fits that rim sticks better in sunshine or rain... I mostly just ride the front tire and let the rear go where it will, except for off-camber turns, where the front unloads and is suddenly at the mercy of whatever the rear is doing at the time. :^( Note that tire mileage won't quite be what you are used to... Though I have almost 8000 miles on this one and it still has a little bit of usable tread left. > The factory Dunlops are too slippery for me, first time I rode this bike > in rain it was like being on ice. Or better yet when I went around a > corner it was like a bagel tire on a bed of cream cheese. The bike > would shudder when I downshifted and I wasn't driving like a maniac. > I've got 8k on these and want more traction and control withing reason. Agreed. The only available Dunlop that might be worth checking into is the 591 140/90-15 rear. *Don't*, I repeat *Don't* try the 491. It is no better than the factory Dunlop (don't rememeber what the factory tire was) And the way I remember things, it is worse than the factory rear. Actually, I've had fun with the Dunlop 491 around town (trying to burn it off so I can justify an ML2 when the ME33 is gone). It slides around a corner quite well, the fishtail is great for getting rid of tailgaters, and in the rain... Well, I haven't had so much excitement in a long time. (I just almost walked off an offcamber turn in the rain earlier this month because of that blasted 491) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:38:07 -0800 From: "George Korbel" Subject: Re: PC800- New tire survey To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Reply to: RE>PC800: New tire survey I had also originally Dunlpos. Front/rear was good for 11,500/9,500 miles respectively. Now I have Metzeler 140/90-15 Marathon 88 on the rear wheel (the bigger diameter doesn't make any difference - to me), ML2 120/80-17 up front. I like those tires better than Dunlops. Only experience with those tires is 1,000/3,000 total, but thanks :-( to rainy weather here in CA I had opportunity to ride in wet, and take a few rides at 110 m/hr. - no chatter, nice balance. Would recommend. Good luck! -------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: 3/28/95 1:43 PM To: George Korbel From: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Now I know I've seen you guys talk about your recommendations for tires for this bike, so at the risk of getting slammed, how about recommendations I thought I saw once where somebody said you could use different size than what was stock. I assume all models had the same tire 120/80-17 front 140/80-15 rear I see mostly the 90 series tires around in catalogues, I assume its the same tire only "taller". I have seen talk about mixing the types on the bike. More info please Metzeler were discussed, they have a ML/2 Marathon that fits front and back for about $100 apeace. Any comments? I have seen some of you guys talk about hard riding and the performance of the tires, I'm really looking for all weather traction. (Perhaps I should buy a Hummer!) My experience over the years with bikes was the name brand tires didn't perform any better over time than the no frills kind. I had put new tires on my last Virago from J.C. Whitney. (I feel I can admit this to the group without fear of flames). They were fine, better than the originals and cost $100 for the pair. Made in China I think. Cheng-shin Hi max I think. The factory Dunlops are too slippery for me, first time I rode this bike in rain it was like being on ice. Or better yet when I went around a corner it was like a bagel tire on a bed of cream cheese. The bike would shudder when I downshifted and I wasn't driving like a maniac. I've got 8k on these and want more traction and control withing reason. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ (8.6.10/LLNL-1.18/llnl.gov-03.95) by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8380) 28 Mar 1995 15:39:17 -0600 (CST) 28 Mar 1995 15:38:03 +0600 28 Mar 1995 15:36:10 -0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:36:09 -0600 (CST) From: bmodlin@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Bruce C. Modlin) Subject: New tire survey 19, 95 10:35:09 pm To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Reply-to: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 17:51:23 TZ Subject: RE: Re: PC800- New tire survey I've only ridden on Metzeler ML/2 Marathons, front and back so can't compare with other tires. However, 10,000 miles so far on them this year and I've never lost my confidence in the Seattle rain. I commute year-round, go fast on windy roads, and tour 2-up. I think the first set had about 12,000 miles on them and the replacment set has about 4000 thus far. Hard to say when the previous owner changed the tires but glad he put the ML/2's on. BTW: I asked about the ME33's and my tire dealer didn't think it was a good idea at the time and wasn't comfortable putting them on. I don't doubt Kent's experience with the tire, just an FYI if your dealer hesitates. -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp. '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: New to this group From: danny.lane@techtips.com (Danny Lane) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 17:15:00 -0600 I am new to the group and receive this listserv here in Nashville, TN. I own a 1989 PC800 with all of the options (except the extended windshield) and have added other components while keeping the integrety of the motorcycles unique look. I have added to the Hondaline/Kenwood stereo a J&M handsfree intercom with in the Helmet headsets (the PC full coverage helmets), a switch was added to turn off the fairing speakers and it all fit in the trunk, is virtually unnoticed, and I can still get two helmets+ in the trunk! This past year, my 19 year old son, decided he wanted one of the new PC's with a similar setup.......we were told at the Honda dealer, "The Hondaline/Kenwood Radio as well as other components where no longer available"............I thought that Honda could supply parts for there cycles for years AFTER PRODUCTION! I am surprised. Then I remembered a similar incident happen to me concerning a pair of the summer weight Hondaline gloves, I lost one tryed to obtain another pair and was told they where no longer available....I kept trying until the next season, I say a pair in the Hondaline brochure, ordered and got what I wanted! Just a note to all to say hello...... -danny