********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 14:49:48 -0500 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Recent sighting. > Honda's Pacific Coast, with its padded bumpers built into the outer edge of > the fairing, is a nice example of what can be done. When you consider the > poor odds that any two-wheeled vehicle will remain upright during its many > years of service, some constructive bet-hedging is not a bad idea. I have dropped mine twice. The first time was that most embarassing situation, grabbing the brake with the front wheel turned at "creeping" speeds. Damage... a few scratches in the fairing protectors that only I notice. The bike didn't even go all the way over on its side, just kind of layed at an angle from the protectors to the wheels, proof of a low center of gravity. The second time was while moving at a slightly higher rate of speed. I was riding with a group and we were pulling out of a gas station trying to beat a thunderstorm. As we pulled out I was tailing the group and trying to make a green light. I was looking through the turn when I realized the rider in front of me was stopping for the light. You guessed it, I hit the brakes again in a turn and low-sided. This time the bike went all the way over and slid into the bike ahead. The fairing protectors were scratched( one was cracked ) on the opposite side this time: ( , and I popped the mirrors off. One of the mirrors suffered a decent sized gouge and a few scratches. The fairing protectors cost between $30 and $40 each. I haven't priced the mirror, thought I might check to see if a body shop could handle it . By the way the mirrors were a cinch to put back on( you'll need your tool kit though) and the delay avoided the worst of the storm. Jim Minyard '90 PC800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Recent sighting. (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Wed, 01 Feb 1995 14:49:48 -0500) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 14:09:36 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > a few scratches. The fairing protectors cost between $30 and $40 each. I But if I replaced it, noone would believe that (95% of) the damage on mine came from grinding it down in the twisties... :^( :^) > haven't priced the mirror, thought I might check to see if a body shop could > handle it . By the way the mirrors were a cinch to put back on( you'll need > your tool kit though) and the delay avoided the worst of the storm. I've knocked both of mine off, and they come off *real* easily. Once as I misjudged the distance when trying to walk between it and a parked truck, the second when I barely clipped it when backing out through a chain-link gate, and the third when I hit that deer (didn't hit the mirror - just the force of the impact knocked it off). No damage. You just need a #2 or larger (easier) Phillips and the appropriate Allen wrench to put it back on. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Oil Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 14:23:55 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Well, I think I've run enough dino oil through my machine to warrant a change to synthetic. The problem is that Mobil 1 only comes in odd viscosity ranges and I'm not sure which would be appropriate for typical Texas weather. Any suggestions? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Oil (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Wed, 01 Feb 1995 14:23:55 -0600) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 95 14:33:48 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9502012023.AA25129@tcamc.uh.edu> on Feb 01 you wrote: > Well, I think I've run enough dino oil through my machine to warrant a > change to synthetic. The problem is that Mobil 1 only comes in odd > viscosity ranges and I'm not sure which would be appropriate for typical > Texas weather. > > Any suggestions? Mobil 1 > 15-50 wt That's what I've run through mine since the shop performed their required first oil change. I'm sitting on 39k+ miles. no problems. clean oil. Works great even down to the 20+ deg. weather that it's seen a couple of times here in San Antonio. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:57:20 -0600 To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Recent sighting Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) Is this confession time? Mine has hit the ground twice, once while I was on, and the second time, the bike was sitting by its lonesome in the hot sun, on the centerstand. The time that I was on, I was trying to scoot across a very busy 4 lane, divided hwy. At a decent opening in traffic (from one direction, I quickly jumped across the first 2 lanes, and intented to stop quickly in the median area dividing the traffic lanes. It was in the median area that I got into trouble, because I had to stop quickly (because of the busy traffic coming from the other direction), while turning slightly into the direction of the traffic flow, because the median was narrow. I hit the loose gravel (which was not observant from my launch point) and lost control of the bike. Actually, the area of the loose gravel was under my rear tire, while the front tire was on a good, clean surface. As I applied both breaks, the front tire gripped, and the back tire slid around to meet the front end. It was a good thing that I was wearing boots, because my ankle would have definitely been skinned up a bit, evident from the resulting scuff mark on my boots. The bike landed on the left side, and scratched up both the replaceable bumper protectors. The time that the bike was on its center stand, it fell over on the right side, scratched up those two protectors, and smashed the right side mirror/turn signal assembly. Luckily, it did pop off easily, just like it was supposed to, and only left a small, faint scratch in the fairing panel, just below, the windshield trim piece. The shell of the mirror/turn signal assembly was broken, and inside pieces, mirror and turn signal, were broken. At this point, I replaced all four bumper protectors (around $30 each) and the mirror/turn signal assembly at $180. I ordered the parts over the phone, because my Honda dealer is 30 miles away. The parts were Fed-Xed that week, sped there after work (those guys don't take kindly to waiting at quitting time), and picked them up. The next morning, I went to put them on and the mirror/turn signal assembly was the wrong side! The invoice even said right side, and Honda shipped the left! So, one more week and I got the correct one. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:25:32 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Ledet Subject: Re: Recent sighting. To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu On one of the three or four times that I dropped mine, it tipped over to the right and the mirror hit the corner of the curb. (i had the familiar oh God feeling in the pit of my stomach, probably due to some sort of surge of adrenalin). anyhow, the mirror housing was in pieces. I dont remember exactly what the price was to relace but 140 (canadian) comes to mind. I found a guy in Sidney B.C. who welds with plastic. He did a fantatastic job at about half the price. On Wed, 1 Feb 1995 JFMinyard@aol.com wrote: > > Honda's Pacific Coast, with its padded bumpers built into the outer edge of > > the fairing, is a nice example of what can be done. When you consider the > > poor odds that any two-wheeled vehicle will remain upright during its many > > years of service, some constructive bet-hedging is not a bad idea. > > I have dropped mine twice. The first time was that most embarassing > situation, grabbing the brake with the front wheel turned at "creeping" > speeds. Damage... a few scratches in the fairing protectors that only I > notice. The bike didn't even go all the way over on its side, just kind of > layed at an angle from the protectors to the wheels, proof of a low center of > gravity. The second time was while moving at a slightly higher rate of > speed. I was riding with a group and we were pulling out of a gas station > trying to beat a thunderstorm. As we pulled out I was tailing the group and > trying to make a green light. I was looking through the turn when I realized > the rider in front of me was stopping for the light. You guessed it, I hit > the brakes again in a turn and low-sided. This time the bike went all the > way over and slid into the bike ahead. The fairing protectors were > scratched( one was cracked ) on the opposite side this time: ( , and I > popped the mirrors off. One of the mirrors suffered a decent sized gouge and > a few scratches. The fairing protectors cost between $30 and $40 each. I > haven't priced the mirror, thought I might check to see if a body shop could > handle it . By the way the mirrors were a cinch to put back on( you'll need > your tool kit though) and the delay avoided the worst of the storm. > > Jim Minyard > '90 PC800 > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:29:22 -0800 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel) Subject: Tires Prety soon I have to buy a new front tire. Any advise or observation is welcome. I have DUNLOP K555F 61H up front at the present time - 12000 miles, almost bold. In the back is a new METZELER ME88 Marathon 140/90 B15 M/C.76H. (I know it should be 140/80, but the little higher 90 is just fine) What I want to get now for front is METZELER ML-2 Marathon 120/80H17. Does it make sense? Any other suggestions? Thanks. Happy riding! George Korbel Lawrence Livermore National Labs. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Tires (from korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel)) (at Thu, 02 Feb 1995 09:29:22 -0800) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 11:19:45 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi George (George Korbel), in <9502021716.AA08085@maverick.llnl.gov> on Feb 02 you wrote: > In the back is a new METZELER ME88 Marathon 140/90 B15 M/C.76H. (I know it > should be 140/80, but the little higher 90 is just fine) The 80 provides a bit better cornering, but mine came stock with a 90, so I don't think you should have much trouble here. > What I want to get now for front is METZELER ML-2 Marathon 120/80H17. I know a guy who put ML2's front and rear. (don't know sizes, but could check) He seems to like them, but he doesn't push the bike very hard. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 10:13:28 PST From: Ramin Keyvan To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tires George, Look into Metzler's group of sport-touring tires. I have found them to be exceptionally sticky with a relatively long tread life. I have a couple of bikes and they both have them on there. My buddy has three bikes and all of his bikes have Metzlers on them. Hope this has been of some help. Good luck, Ramin Keyvan Teknekron Software Systems, Inc. > Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 09:29:22 -0800 > From: korbel@maverick.llnl.gov (George Korbel) > Subject: Tires > To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > > Prety soon I have to buy a new front tire. Any advise or observation is > welcome. > > I have DUNLOP K555F 61H up front at the present time - 12000 miles, almost > bold. > > In the back is a new METZELER ME88 Marathon 140/90 B15 M/C.76H. (I know it > should be 140/80, but the little higher 90 is just fine) > > What I want to get now for front is METZELER ML-2 Marathon 120/80H17. > > Does it make sense? Any other suggestions? > > Thanks. Happy riding! > > George Korbel > Lawrence Livermore National Labs. > > > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wagaman To: pc800 Subject: Buying bike I have been baby sitting a 89 PC for the last 2 months and comtemplating checking out 2 other standard bikes. However, I have come to the conclu- sion that the PC will be the best compromise of comfort, power, wind protection, etc. My friend, the owner, had his back surgery and iss doing well. However he has decided that he will be selling the PC plus his Gold Wing because he hates to see them sitting there in the garage. He is very worried about hurting his back. I personally do not think that he would hurt himself. The guy is about 55, 5 ft 7" about 140 pounds of MUSCLE. I guess that is how he used to tour on the Gold Wing. Anyway, I know that he will be very happy to be selling the bike to me since I am as fussy about bikes as he is. Question 1: How do I get ahold of an official PC repair manual? Question 2: The one thing has to be changed is the windshield height. I am 5" 11", 180 lbs. I would like a taller windshield of at least 2", possibly more. Can some one suggest a source, price and performance of aftermarket shields? Question 3: The taller windshield will make it warm to ride the bike come summertime. How have you-all approached this on your bikes? Windlets? Thanks for your time, I hope to hear from you-all soon. Mr Bill PS, it is 10 degrees outside just now, wind chill of minus 15. No riding today or anytime soon. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 9 Feb 95 11:16:28 TZ Subject: RE: CP800: Buying bike Question 1: How do I get a hold of an official PC repair manual? I got one from the local Honda dealer. They had a used one on the shelf and I've found it pretty handy for some repairs/maintenance and just general "how does this work". The small Owner Manual is thorough enough for most maintenance however. Question 2: The one thing has to be changed is the windshield height. I am 5" 11", 180 lbs. I would like a taller windshield of at least 2", possibly more. Can some one suggest a source, price and performance of aftermarket shields? I have a Rifle windshield, 4 inches taller than stock. It's straighter than the stock (not so much cockpit in looks) and I've noticed a world of difference. I'm 5'9" and the top edge is in my line of vision unless I'm loaded up with passenger or gear. With your extra size I'd go that size so you can see over it slightly. Wind will probably hit your forehead. If you want the best wind/noise protection, go 6" taller but keep in mind it will be hard to look over when it rains (I have a windshield wiper to workaround this). Cost is about $189 + ship and I've found them advertised in the back of motorcycle mags. As far as looks go I have no regrets. It fits the bike's style well, it's strong, and easy to care for. Question 3: The taller windshield will make it warm to ride the bike come summertime. How have you-all approached this on your bikes? I'm in Seattle so summers aren't terribly unpleasant. How warm does it get there? I've ridden/toured with the Rifle in temps of 80-90 and I usually kept my Aerostitch on. I've found that if you can get air to blow up your sleeves you're in great shape. You might also consider keeping the stock shield around for the heat season. I've kept mine for that purpose but have yet to return to the noisy stock shield. I'd guess it would take about an hour to swap windshields. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:29:59 -0600 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: RE: Buying bike Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) I purchased the Honda taller windshield (4"), which is also slightly wider...just above the area where the clutch/brake levers come close to the windshield; each side flares out about 2". This shield is much quieter than stock, but does generate quite a bit of helmet buffeting (I am 5'10"), which results in my HJC-10 (full face) generating an annoying low frequency rumble. At one time, I also had the Saeng Stealth edging on, which eliminated the helmet buffeting, but I found that I did not like the wide black line in my line of sight. I have been thinking of removing the top two inches from this windshield, which would result in it still being 2" taller than stock, and then trying the Stealth edging. I would prefer to look over the windshield. Or, try one of the Rifle products, since they claim that their two piece design and different angle of attack improves upon the Honda products. Concerning the heat issue, I ride with an Aerostich full-suit, most of the riding season, except the days when it is in the mid 80s on up (which in Minnesota, aren't that many). I personally like to stay on the cooler side. I would like more air flow to stay cooler than the tall shield provides. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:48:43 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wagaman To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: RE: Buying bike Does Parabellum make shields for the bike? They make them for BMWs and even for the Honda Helix. Mr Bill On Fri, 10 Feb 1995, Rick Thompson wrote: > I purchased the Honda taller windshield (4"), which is also slightly > wider...just above the area where the clutch/brake levers come close to > the windshield; each side flares out about 2". This shield is much > quieter than stock, but does generate quite a bit of helmet buffeting > (I am 5'10"), which results in my HJC-10 (full face) generating an annoying > low frequency rumble. At one time, I also had the Saeng Stealth edging on, > which eliminated the helmet buffeting, but I found that I did not > like the wide black line in my line of sight. > > I have been thinking of removing the top two inches from this windshield, > which would result in it still being 2" taller than stock, and then > trying the Stealth edging. I would prefer to look over the > windshield. Or, try one of the Rifle products, since they claim that > their two piece design and different angle of attack improves upon the > Honda products. > > Concerning the heat issue, I ride with an Aerostich full-suit, most of > the riding season, except the days when it is in the mid 80s on up (which in > Minnesota, aren't that many). I personally like to stay on the cooler > side. I would like more air flow to stay cooler than the tall shield > provides. > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu > Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 > Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: RE: Buying bike (from Rick Thompson ) (at Fri, 10 Feb 1995 09:29:59 -0600) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 09:47:14 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Rick (Rick Thompson), in <9502100930.ZM1122@dack.mayo.edu> on Feb 10 you wrote: [...] > I have been thinking of removing the top two inches from this windshield, > which would result in it still being 2" taller than stock, and then > trying the Stealth edging. I would prefer to look over the For another point of view :^) I'm about 6'1", use the stock windshield with the Saeng edging and almost always ride with the visor up (use eye protection) on my RF200. The Saeng smooths the airflow at the helmet and appears to effectively raise the windshield about 1"-2". This helps pretty much, but when I raise the visor on the helmet, things *really* quiet down. Heavy traffic or trash in the air warrants dropping the visor, but otherwise it stays up. Without the Saeng edging, I can't even keep the visor up... I also ride tucked down a bit instead of sitting straight up, which helps. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Filters Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:44:21 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Well, I took advantage of the nice weather to to a quick oil change. At least I thought it would be quick. Unfortunately the last shop to change the filter decided to use an impact wrench to make sure it didn't go anywhere. *&^(*&^(*! I drove a screwdriver through and the damn driver broke! So I pulled out one of my Craftsman "Industrial" drivers, drove it through, and hit it with a hammer for several minutes until the filter finally started turning. I really thought I would need a tow to a (different) shop to get myself out of this one. Does anyone know where to get one of those socket type filter wrenches the service manual recommends? My shop (yes, the same one) says they can't get one for me. Luckily I've moved away from there and won't be going back. Also, does anyone know an alternate supplier of filters? $15 for this little thing is tough to swallow. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wagaman To: pc800 Subject: Pricing info please I am interested in possibly buying my friends 89 PC with 10,000 miles on it. The bike is in excellent shape, he always babied it. He payed $6000 for it back in 1990. I believe that he wants $5000 since it was the first of a series and "collectable." I think that he might sell it to me for about $4500. The bike will need about $500 in tires, tune-up, fluid changes to bring it back to new status. Does anyone out there know the current book value for this bike? The local dealer has a 90 PC with 6000 miles in excellent shape. I do not know what they are asking for that one. Bike is in excellent shape and even has the radio built into it. It would need less as far as repairs, possibly none since that could be negotiated. Any help would be appreciated. Mr Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 08:43:23 EST From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pricing info please Mr. Bill writes: >I am interested in possibly buying my friends 89 PC with 10,000 miles on > it.... he wants $5000... I'm also looking for a used PC. A local dealer has a 90 with 20K he's asking $5K for. I'm a little put off by the high price; remember, you can get a brand new one for under $7K. I don't know about the "collectability" of the 89s, but if that's important to you, it may be worth more. My feeling is that $3.5K would be about right for a 90 with some miles on it; I've seen them going for that. A friend found a post on AOL for an 89 with 1,600 miles on it ( <-- this is not a typo; only 1.6K miles!) for an asking price of around $3.5K. I got to ride a PC (a red 90) for the first time over the weekend (my present bike is a Yamaha 750 Virago), and I was pretty impressed. It's not a rocket, but it rides very nice, and it's the prettiest bike I've ever seen :-) The only real problem I had was helmet buffeting at high speeds; I'd need the taller windshield. Best of luck. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wagaman To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Pricing info please I get the same wind buffeting above 35 MPH. I too would need a taller windshield. I have written to the group and A taller shield from Rifle is available in 2" , 4" and 6" taller sizes. for about $200. The Honda taller windshield is not the answer. I asked the group if Para- bellum made a shield since they made one for my Ex-Helix scooter. The bike is designed for constant power output. It doesn't have the typical 4 cylinder high RPM thruster. It is very easy to ride and comfortable. I guess that I will hit the local magazine rack and try to find the Motorcycle Trader. It lists bikes from all over the USA. It would be useful as a price guild if nothing else. Mr Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 10:02:31 EST From: m14494%caasd1@MWMGATE1.mitre.org (Michael J White) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re[2]: Pricing info please Thanks for the tip about Rifle making a windshield; I hadn't thought to look there. _______________________________________________________________________________ ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Subject: Re: Pricing info please From: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu at -smtp- Date: 2/13/95 9:24 AM I get the same wind buffeting above 35 MPH. I too would need a taller windshield. I have written to the group and A taller shield from Rifle is available in 2" , 4" and 6" taller sizes. for about $200. The Honda taller windshield is not the answer. I asked the group if Para- bellum made a shield since they made one for my Ex-Helix scooter. The bike is designed for constant power output. It doesn't have the typical 4 cylinder high RPM thruster. It is very easy to ride and comfortable. I guess that I will hit the local magazine rack and try to find the Motorcycle Trader. It lists bikes from all over the USA. It would be useful as a price guild if nothing else. Mr Bill ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Filters (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:44:21 -0600) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:12:41 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9502122044.AA07516@tcamc.uh.edu> on Feb 12 you wrote: > (different) shop to get myself out of this one. Does anyone know where to > get one of those socket type filter wrenches the service manual recommends? #440 ChannelLock pliers Work great and you get to use them for other things besides removing your oil filter. > Also, does anyone know an alternate supplier of filters? $15 for this > little thing is tough to swallow. I pay around $8-$9. I picked up a Fram for $9 last week. At one time, I was paying $7 for a genuine Honda filter, which was cheaper than the aftermarket ones. But the dealer decided that was portraying a poor image, I guess... :^( Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:31:13 -0600 "PC800: Filters" (Feb 12, 2:44pm) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Filters Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) I purchased the filter wrench from NAPA (Automotive supply), works great...that was a couple of years ago and so I can't remember the price. 15$ for the Filter??????....My dealer has been charging me around $6, Honest. Anyway, when I have checked around for alternate filter sources, although I havent't purchased them: 1. NAPA (claim they have that filter) 2. Dennis Kirk (mail order....800-328-9280) There are many parts dealers advertised in back of the motorcycle rags... however, I have found that they are EXTREMElY hard to get connected to, you know, it rings for 10 minutes, then auto-voice answers, and then you are on hold for another 10 minutes.....and so on. Good Luck! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Rick Thompson" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:54:37 -0600 To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Motorcycle On-line Mag Cc: thompson@boba.mayo.edu (Rick Thompson) For those of you with web-browsers check out: http://motorcycle.com/motorcycle.html later -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick L. Thompson Internet: thompson@mayo.edu Mayo Clinic - Gugg. Bldg. RM 1018-A Phone: (507) 284-4428 Rochester, MN 55905 FAX: (507) 284-9171 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Filters Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:58:46 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III >>>>> "KP" == kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk): >> (different) shop to get myself out of this one. Does anyone know where >> to get one of those socket type filter wrenches the service manual >> recommends? KP> #440 ChannelLock pliers Funny you should say that. My favorite filter wrench has been a pair of 14" channellocks. Unfortunately they don't fit underneath the PC! KP> Work great and you get to use them for other things besides removing KP> your oil filter. Yes, these are terribly useful. KP> I pay around $8-$9. I picked up a Fram for $9 last week. At one time, KP> I was paying $7 for a genuine Honda filter, which was cheaper than the KP> aftermarket ones. But the dealer decided that was portraying a poor KP> image, I guess... :^( Urgh. I'm happy I'm changing dealers. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:01:26 -0500 From: Jeffy3@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: WTB: pc800 (NYC area) Does anyone have or know of a good deal on a PC800 in the New York City area? If so, please write me at Jeffy3@aol.com. Thanks. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:12:13 -0500 From: NThompso@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 for sale. Not NYC area. This add was posted in the Honda Sport Touring Assn. newsletter STAReview January 1995. FOR SALE: '89 Pacific Coast, pearl white, 800 V-twin spurt tourer, 8,000 miles, excellent condition, $4,000, Mike Harris, Charlotte, NC 704/393/3257 (H), 704/391/8567 (W). BTW, The other add which I posted a while back which got such a hoot over the $5375 asking price is still running. If anybody missed the expensive one and wants to consider it, let me know and I'll send you the text of that add. Standard disclaimers apply. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Visibility Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:14:21 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III OK, I'm getting real tired of idiots pulling out in front of me. I ride four miles to work and yesterday four people tried to kill me. So I want everything: brighter headlight, headlight modulator, and a mondo horn. So: What kind of headlight can I get? I think an 80/100 is a bit bright; is there anything between stock and that? Perhaps a 65/80? Can the high beam switch handle this much current, or do I need a relay setup? Anyone running a modulator? I'm looking at one mentioned in wreck.moto earlier this week; can't remember the name now. Any other visibility enhancements? I remember someone mounting 55 watt projector beam headlights on the front crash guards; might he still be around? How about horns? Derek Catt told me he grabbed the horn off a VW van and mounted it under the fairing. Unfortunately, Derek has left us. What are these "Fiamms" I keep hearing about. Thanks for any and all info. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: jeffdnkl@netcom.com (Jeffrey Dunkle) Subject: Re: Visibility To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:43:27 -0800 (PST) > How about horns? Derek Catt told me he grabbed the horn off a VW van and > mounted it under the fairing. Unfortunately, Derek has left us. What are > these "Fiamms" I keep hearing about. > Jason: I monitor this group even though I bought another bike besides a PC. Just so happens that the bike I have, a 20 year old BMW R-90/6 that I bought well used, 106,000 miles, has a Fiamm horn installed. It's an air horn, maybe 8 to 10 inches long, and has a smallish electric air blower associated with it. The blower's just a bit bigger than a small tomato paste can. The horn and blower are connected by tubing and each can be located anywhere convenient. The blower hooks up to your 12 volt like any accessory. It's "LOUD". Very attention getting. After happening to get a bike with it, I wouldn't have another without one. I could try to track down a source if you need that. Ride safe. Jeff Dunkle jeffdnkl@netcom.com Pittsburgh, PA '75 R-90/6 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Subject: Re: Visibility (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:14:21 -0600) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:41:34 CST To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9502242114.AA04102@tcamc.uh.edu> on Feb 24 you wrote: > How about horns? Derek Catt told me he grabbed the horn off a VW van and > mounted it under the fairing. Unfortunately, Derek has left us. What are > these "Fiamms" I keep hearing about. There are a couple of different types of Fiamms. The really good ones are actually air horns and have a little electric 'compressor' of some sort (I haven't taken one apart to see how it works). There are two fairly convenient places to mount some decent horns on the bike. They are on those metal slabs that support the mirrors. I don't have Fiamms, but I mounted some fairly cheap 110db horns to those brackets and it worked very nicely. Dual horns usually come with a relay where actual horn power is not run through the horn switch, but from main bike power (or whatever). The horn switch just powers the relay. I think I even left the original horn in place and ran the connectors from it to the relay, and then tapped pwr from that 'bus' connector right behind the headlight to power the horns. Real easy. The first time I tried the horns with my wife on the back (on a deserted highway - to scare off some buzzards), she thought a semi was sitting on her tail and almost jumped off the bike. :^( Good thing I had just installed that rear backrest, or I might have lost her... You can usually pick up some 110db horns for around $30-$40 at your local auto store. You can buy some MC-specific horns which are more compact and handle the weather better, but you can probably use normal auto horns if you mount them where I mentioned. Unfortunately, I must warn you that even a pair of 110db horns will still have no visible affect on a lot of drivers! I'm even thinking of mounting a pair of real Fiamm air horns in addition to the 110db horns on there now. Maybe move the current ones back in front of the trunk and point them sideways and point the Fiamms forward and down to fit inside the front fairing... I have noticed that a passenger carrying a hockey stick tends to keep most drivers at bay... :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:35:53 -0500 From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility Jason L. Tibbitts III writes: >How about horns? Derek Catt told me he grabbed the horn off a >VW van and >mounted it under the fairing. Unfortunately, Derek has left us. What >are these "Fiamms" I keep hearing about. If you look under the front of the bike, behind the fork, you will see that the existing horn occupies one position of a dual horn bracket. If you purchase a horn from an auto parts store (around here the 110 db horns for imports and/or motorcycles generally run about $15) you will probably get a modest improvement. I have been considering this option myself even though I have been blessed with very few incidents of the nature you report. If I get around to it soon I will report the results, specifications, and any modifications necessary here. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:57:14 -0500 From: GSMcQueen@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility I am the one who uses 55watt driving lights on the crash bars. I also have a 80/100 bulb. I have used it for a year and there are no downside effects to it. It is not too hot, heat or current, for the wiring or housing. I use a 130dB "Fiamms" auto horn from "checker automotive" I am sure pep boys or anyother auto parts house has them. You should not need relays etc....unless you add two horns or exceed the current rating of the fuse on the horn. I had thought about airhorns but after placing the "Fiamms" in service have had no problem getting the attention of other drivers. Greg McQueen HSTA-#5685SU gsmcqueen@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Bryce Ulrich To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 17:19:31 TZ Subject: RE: Visibility I ride with a higly reflective/neon vest on my daily commute and have found it fairly effective w/cagers nearby. It's from Conspicuity and can be ordered direct from them or found at most mc shops. It's extremely reflective in the evening and daytime ain't bad either. Mine is a black vest with blue and flourescent pink strips. The pink really shows up on wet/gloomy days or in any flat light conditions while the blue fits in with my Aerostitch. I've been told I give off a glow, day or night. One guy asked me if I was plugged into something during one evening ride! When riding with a buddy wearing one I can spot the pink at quite a distance. BTW: If someone has a recommendation for a modulator, front and/or rear, let me know. You can never be safe enough riding on two wheels. -bryceu --------------------------------------------------- Bryce Ulrich - bryceu@microsoft.com - 206/704-3205 Product Support Engineer: Microsoft Corp. '89 Honda PC800 "Pearl" AMA 332198 HRCA HM711115 --------------------------------------------------- ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:31:13 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Thanks for the responses, everyone. I'll be checking out the local auto parts stores for Fiamm horns; there seems to be plenty of space under the fairing to mount one unless the thing's really huge. I'll also check out a brighter headlight bulb, though I don't think I'm cruel enough to burn the paint off of oncoming cars with an 80/100 bulb. Greg, where did you get the lights you have mounted on your crash bars? Are they in housings, or they have a "kludged" look? As for conspicuity, I don't think I could do much better. I wear a red Aerostich and a white helmet with silver, black, and bright red graphics. Kent, if you ever do manage to put _more_ horns on your bike I have to see it. You'll be giving old ladies heart attacks and blowing over Harleys as you toot your disapproval at some idiot's lack of driving skill. As for modulators, all I have found is that they're made by a company by the name of "Kriss". The article I had with the phone number of a distributor expired. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Visibility From: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 21:15:53 CST > Thanks for the responses, everyone. I'll be checking out the local auto > parts stores for Fiamm horns; there seems to be plenty of space under the > fairing to mount one unless the thing's really huge. I'll also check out a Be sure and check clearance in all directions if you try to mount another horn beside the factory horn. Those 110bd MC horns I put on were just a little bit larger than the factory horn and wouldn't clear with the front wheel all the way over... > brighter headlight bulb, though I don't think I'm cruel enough to burn the > paint off of oncoming cars with an 80/100 bulb. Please report back if you find something inbetween, ok? > Kent, if you ever do manage to put _more_ horns on your bike I have to see > it. You'll be giving old ladies heart attacks and blowing over Harleys as > you toot your disapproval at some idiot's lack of driving skill. Which reminds me of my next door neighbor (when we were kids), who mounted one of those trumpet horns off a truck on his Trail 90. I had my CL 90 sitting right there beside it in his driveway, drooling over what that thing would sound like on my bike as he finished wiring it up. Came time to test it out, he pressed the horn switch and this fabulous sound blasted through the air as we watched half the water in his battery boil away... :^( -- Kent Polk: kent@eaanu.nde.swri.edu (DoF #) : Official DoF Squid Motto: "Ride Hard/Crash Gently"