********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 01 Jul 94 10:32:20 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo update >>Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu writes: > I found small 20W x 2 car amps by several vendors that should >have no problems being mounted nestled in with the trunk release >mechanism hidden up in that hollow trunk cowling. I believe this is >where the Honda amp would hide. I believe you may be mistaken about the location of the Hondaline radio mount. In the bikes that I have seen with this option the radio and amp together were mounted on the front wall of the right hand pocket of the trunk. You lose about 2"-3" of storage on that side due to the fact that the mount occupies the complete vertical height of the trunk. I don't remember how powerful the amp was or the comments about the sound quality. I would suppose that would be relative to how much wind noise your bike has. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Stereo update Date: Fri, 1 Jul 94 09:36:23 CST Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <9407011032.tn251367@aol.com> on Jul 01 you wrote: > I believe you may be mistaken about the location of the Hondaline radio > mount. In the bikes that I have seen with this option the radio and amp > together were mounted on the front wall of the right hand pocket of the > trunk. You lose about 2"-3" of storage on that side due to the fact that the > mount occupies the complete vertical height of the trunk. I don't remember > how powerful the amp was or the comments about the sound quality. I would > suppose that would be relative to how much wind noise your bike has. I have not seen or heard the Hondaline radio for the PC, but have talked with several who have. Comments were: losing the trunk space sucked and the radio quality in general sucked. "Don't buy it" was the universal comment. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 review for the archives? Date: Fri, 1 Jul 94 09:54:02 CST Did anyone volunteer to write the review? I think we need to get one written and get it included in the moto reviews. Maybe it could mainly be compiled from our comments in this maillist??? (I'm a DoF - short memory) did I remember correctly that this maillist is being archived? If so, how can the archive be obtained? Any chance of getting an http link set up to browse this stuff? Having a PC800 link in Ravi's WWW moto page would be nice... I've got before/after pictures of my bike sans plastic while I was redoing the suspension... The deer hit... Where I ground the bumper guard down from riding the Moguls down Mulholland... Thoughts? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Stereo update <9407011032.tn251367@aol.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 1994 23:10:35 -0500 >>>>> "JM" == JFMinyard writes: JM> I believe you may be mistaken about the location of the Hondaline radio JM> mount. In the bikes that I have seen with this option the radio and JM> amp together were mounted on the front wall of the right hand pocket of JM> the trunk. Hmmm. I can see why they didn't sell well now. My only data is from the special wiring instructions for the trunk light (which is useful and pretty easy to install, BTW) with the stereo is installed. While I had the tail cowl off to install the trunk light I did some measuring and found that the Sony or Kenwood 20W x 2 amps would easily fit in the empty space up there. The only problem is that of airflow, but car amps almost always have thermal protectors to prevent burnouts. JM> I don't remember how powerful the amp was or the comments about the JM> sound quality. The amp was 15W x 2 from an old catalog I've seen. One person I've talked to who has one said she wouldn't give it up for anything. My problem is that I really like to listen to music. Moving from car to bike I haven't missed anything (even AC and a roof!) except the radio. I really want to find a useful solution, be it in-fairing speakers or in-helmet headphones (which I'm going to try first, I think). Any comments there? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: PC800 review for the archives? <19940701.790F1F0.8B9C@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 1994 02:05:33 -0500 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Did anyone volunteer to write the review? I think we need to get one KP> written and get it included in the moto reviews. Maybe it could mainly KP> be compiled from our comments in this maillist??? I would volunteer, but I really don't think I'd do a good job. I have no other motorcycling experiences to compare with. KP> (I'm a DoF - short memory) did I remember correctly that this maillist KP> is being archived? If so, how can the archive be obtained? Any chance KP> of getting an http link set up to browse this stuff? The messages are archived. Send mail to majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu containing the words "index pc800" and the server will respond appropriately. Messages are stored in files, one per month. Last month's is about 80K. I am interested in WWW info but am not quite ready to go implementing a server here. The mailing list was easy because it already runs internal lists, but I can't say the same for WWW. Plus I don't know HTML. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** (InterLock SMTP Gateway 1.1 for ); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 08:14:11 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 07:14:00 -0500 From: glsmith%koess.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com To: "pc800@tcamc.uh.edu"%KOGW01.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com send pc800.9406 end ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 03 Jul 94 17:40:15 EDT Subject: Re: Stereo update Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu writes: >I really want to find a useful solution, be it in-fairing speakers or >in-helmet headphones (which I'm going to try first, I think). Any >comments there? I have helmet speakers(part of a Cycle Comm system) and a stereo relay that allows me to play a walkman or even a car radio(i.e. the Hondaline system could be wired in) through the CB/Intercom. The walkman could use a little more power but the major problem seems to be wind noise. I have been investigating this problem as you may know from previous posts but have found no real solution. As it stands I believe the biggest improvement may come from a quieter helmet. I am leaning toward a Shoei RF700 right now(the RF200 pinches the bottom of my ears) and possibly adding some of the stealth edging. If you duck behind the fairing or have a larger windshield you shouldn't have a problem. If you are just looking for music you might look into the "Bass Monsters" speakers which have gotten fairly good reviews for a $30 helmet speaker and a walkman type stereo. Keep us informed as to what you try/decide. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Getting closer to going shopping Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:20:51 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com In article nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) writes: >If the used market doesn't pan out, I may have to consider new. I haven't >been in to any of the local dealers yet. I will probably do that soon but >until then I am curious what the rest of you have been seeing at the dealers. >Any experience there? Are the dealers still having trouble moving these bikes >or are they not stocking them or what? I did get out to one of the local (Phoenix) Honda dealers. They did not have any PC800's in stock (no big surprise there). A computer search failed to locate any at any of the other area dealers with the possible exception of one dealer who is apparently not on the same network. The sales person tried to sell me a Magna. In retrospect he was not very good, he told me that '95s would be in in mid August. He did not take my name or offer to call me when they were in. I had to ask him for a business card. I said I would like to try a Magna for a test ride and he said he needed several hours to get one preped and would need a deposit or approved credit app. He said that with 4 area high schools that if they allowed test rides, their bikes would all have lots of miles on them. I thought that was what demos were all about. They get to sell them at a markdown and write-off the loss as an expense. Perhaps with all those kids test riding, the would get some of them hooked and make more sales. I was not impressed. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Stereo update <9407031740.tn313661@aol.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:24:39 -0500 >>>>> "JM" == JFMinyard writes: JM> The walkman could use a little more power but the major problem seems JM> to be wind noise. I took apart a cheap pair of headphones, trimmed some Styrofoam from around the ear area of my helmet and wired things up. It took about 15 minutes and is quite usable with a cheap tape deck in on of the many pockets of my Aerostich. I have come up with my own solution to wind noise. I found it's incredibly loud with my visor closed but not bad with it open if I crouch down. I really don't have to crouch much (I'm 5'10"). My helmet is an AGV R1. (I knew nothing about helmets when I bought it and have never worn another, so I don't know if it's any good or not.) All I need now is a tank bag and a CD player and I'm in business. I have decided to try out the Saeng edging on my coming trip to Dallas. Anyone have their number handy? JM> If you are just looking for music you might look into the "Bass JM> Monsters" speakers which have gotten fairly good reviews for a $30 JM> helmet speaker and a walkman type stereo. I have never heard of these, but will eventually want to get a good pair of headphones. Any pointers to reviews? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Electrical connection question Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:42:10 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III What's the best place to tap the wiring harness to get at most 2 amps switched and unswitched? I know I can pull unswitched voltage from the accessory connector right off the battery, but I'm looking for something in the front fairing so I don't have to run wires everywhere. Looking at the service manual it seems that the accessory connector gives both switched and unswitched voltage; perhaps it's the best way to go. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:42:10 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Electrical connection question Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 08:54:48 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407070742.AA10471@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 07 you wrote: > What's the best place to tap the wiring harness to get at most 2 amps > switched and unswitched? I know I can pull unswitched voltage from the > accessory connector right off the battery, but I'm looking for something in > the front fairing so I don't have to run wires everywhere. Looking at the > service manual it seems that the accessory connector gives both switched > and unswitched voltage; perhaps it's the best way to go. You can also use the fusebox, which is right there next to the engine on the left side. I went down to my local auto parts store and got one of those GM-style fuse extender kits and wired up another fuse holder in the spare slot for my chatterbox pwr supply. Worked real nice. Lets you choose you max amp that way also... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:24:39 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Stereo update Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 09:27:18 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407070724.AA10398@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 07 you wrote: > I have come up with my own solution to wind noise. I found it's incredibly > loud with my visor closed but not bad with it open if I crouch down. I [...] > I have decided to try out the Saeng edging on my coming trip to Dallas. > Anyone have their number handy? Had the number somehwere here but can't find it... BTW, I'm 6'0" and can ride behind the std shield with Saeng edging with my faceshield up without crouching and it's pretty quiet also, so it should work very well for you. ---------------- Also Trunk light kit... How much does it cost and how does it install? (Save this up for the group review) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Trunk light kit <19940707.785ADC8.886D@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 12:22:11 -0500 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Trunk light kit... How much does it cost and how does it install? KP> (Save this up for the group review) Am I the only one here with the trunk light kit? >From the top: I got tired of fishing around in the trunk at night; it's pretty large and it gets really dark back there even if there is some ambient light. I dropped about $45 at my local dealer for the trunk light kit, which came in a box about half the size of a cigar box. Included in the kit are (from memory; I'll correct later): Two light assemblies Wiring harness with built in fuse Trunk lid switch Switch bumper Useless tie wraps Good instructions Extra speed nuts for '89 PCs What they don't give you but you might need: Good tie wraps "HondaBond A" Clear silicone sealant About two hours Tools: Utility knife (or box cutter) Dremel tool (or a lot of patience, a _sharp_ utility knife, and a drill motor with a 19mm(?) bit) The usual screwdrivers General comments: The instructions are of the usual Honda quality. There are plenty of drawings and everything is explained in detail. There are templates for all cuts you need to make. Unfortunately this and all other PC extras are made for the '89 model PC; the 90 and 94 PCs are different in some regards so be careful. The trunk lid clearance was smaller on my bike so I had to trim down one part to fit. Details: The installation involves removing the seats and the upper trunk cowling (which seems like it will break but won't; just keep bending it). This requires cutting some of the weatherstripping at a couple of places. To properly seal these back together Honda recommends "HondaBond A" which I had none of. Instead I made sure to cut the weatherstripping at least an inch away from each body panel joint and peeled it back trying to preserve as much of the glue as possible. This was difficult. Notice that all screws back there are bedded in clear silicone; I recommend that you rebed these with a little dollop of sealant (available at any auto parts store as Silicone RTV) when you put everything back together just to make sure there are no leaks. You then place the templates and cut two holes about 1" x 2" in the trunk lid (on on each side) which must be pretty precisely sized. The instructions say to use a sharp knife, but I found it easier and faster to stick a plastic cutter on my Dremel tool (a little hand held drill not unlike a dentist's drill) and grind out the holes. You also need to place one hole for the trunk lid switch which should be keyed (this is a pain). In my PC this hole was already marked in the plastic. You also have to place a rubber bumper for the switch; the clearance was much smaller on my bike so I hooked the coarse sander to my Dremel tool and took about 3/8" off of the bumper to make things fit. If you get this wrong either the lower trunk latch will not engage and the trunk won't close well or the lights will never turn off. Take care here. You then snap the lights and the switch in place, seal them with silicone if you like, and run the wiring harness. This goes along the trunk latch wire for a while and then goes off towards the battery. Be sure to use plenty of tie wraps for this; the ones they give you are useless so get some good ones from any electronics ship. If you don't use enough fasteners the harness could get stuck or pinched when you close the trunk. You then run it to the option connector on the main wiring harness near the battery; the harness conveniently provides another option connector in case you have the stereo installed. How does it work? Well, it's pretty bright at night; it lights up the entire interior of each half of the trunk. It turns off when you close the trunk like it's supposed to. You can also individually switch off each of the lights. What more could you ask for? I recommend it. I'd like to take some pictures and have them scanned. Maybe one day I'll break out the camera and to it. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Getting closer to going shopping Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 16:02:59 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> I did get out to one of the local (Phoenix) Honda dealers. They did NT> not have any PC800's in stock (no big surprise there). Out of curiosity, why is that not a surprise? Around here, three Honda dealers that I frequent attempt to keep one PC800 in stock at all times. Sometimes they're not successful because of demand. I've never gotten the impression that it's a slow seller. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Getting closer to going shopping Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:26:00 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com In article Jason L Tibbitts III writes: >>>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: >NT> I did get out to one of the local (Phoenix) Honda dealers. They did >NT> not have any PC800's in stock (no big surprise there). >Out of curiosity, why is that not a surprise? Around here, three Honda >dealers that I frequent attempt to keep one PC800 in stock at all times. >Sometimes they're not successful because of demand. I've never gotten the >impression that it's a slow seller. I guess it was not a surprise to me for 3 reasons. First because it is what I wanted to look at. Stores never have what I want. Second because it is getting near the end of the model year. Third because it is probably a slower seller than the Shadows, Magnas, and Nighthawks so I expect the dealers to load up on those. I asked the dealer about how demand had been. The salesman acknowledged that in '89 and '90 it had been a slow seller but said that in '94 they had sold all that they got (which he estimated at 10). Your local dealer presently has PC800s in stock? Are they dealing on price? How much would you expect to pay? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Getting closer to going shopping Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 21:11:20 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> Your local dealer presently has PC800s in stock? Are they dealing on NT> price? Good question. I'll have to find out (though it is a bit too late for me, since I already bought one). I wonder what changes '95 will bring. I bet it's blue (though I think that will be ugly). They added six pounds for '94, though I don't know what it went to. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:18:27 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III After Gary Wade's mention of having a throttle lock on his bike I just had to figure out how it could be done. This morning a friend and I took a ride down to Galveston Honda (Gary's dealer) to have the things installed on our PCs (both 94s, though I don't think it matters). What they did was take a thin cruise control model and fasten it to the handlebar shroud with two screws. To get the grip to fit, they trimmed about 3-4mm off of the end, which leaves you without the little lip on the outside but otherwise nothing visible has changed. I haven't taken it apart yet (if it isn't broken...) so I can't see if they've made any internal modifications but I don't think they have. The good side: it works flawlessly for me. Throttle action in completely unchanged except when the lock is engaged. A perfect job. The middle: it code $25 for the Vista Cruise, $16 for labor, plus tax and tax on the tax (and some tax). The bad side: I think they screwed up my friends throttle bad. The lock works somewhat, but even when tightened it is easy to slip with hand pressure. Mine even loose is difficult to move when locked, though it will eventually wear. Unlocked it feels like there is sand in his throttle cable and there is a good bit of free play. Just after they gave the bikes back to us his throttle would stick with the lock undone, so we had them adjust it. He's not as picky as I am and I don't think he minds all that much, but it kind of ticks me off. I feel kind of guilty since I talked him into doing this in the first place. Is there anyone who has been into the throttle and might be willing to give a few pointers? Oh, yeah. They did his bike first, then mine. Summary: it's a great mod if done right. Unfortunately if done wrong you might not be very happy. If you want to have someone do it for you, I'm willing to give out the name of the dealer but in light of the problems above I should probably hold off. Perhaps I'll just take mine apart and put together some DIY instructions if anyone's brave enough to try. Any comments? (Or comments on the trunk light review I did last week?) --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:18:27 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 09:57:50 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407100518.AA08105@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 10 you wrote: > After Gary Wade's mention of having a throttle lock on his bike I just had > > The bad side: I think they screwed up my friends throttle bad. The lock > works somewhat, but even when tightened it is easy to slip with hand [...] > him into doing this in the first place. Is there anyone who has been into > the throttle and might be willing to give a few pointers? Sounds like they messed up the throttle slide so that it sticks, and then adjusted the throttle lock to be as loose as possible in order to provide less restriction when the lock is open. maybe look for some leftover glue underneath the slide. > Unlocked it feels like there is sand in his throttle However, this sounds like one of the cables is in a bind. Maybe check to see that the cable ends are in the correct position, etc. > Oh, yeah. They did his bike first, then mine. Smart move :^) > I feel kind of guilty since I talked him into doing this in the first place. Let's see, you talked him into doing it and then arranged to have his done first... Sure doesn't sound like a guilty conscience to me :^) > Any comments? (Or comments on the trunk light review I did last week?) 1) Good review on the trunk lights. 2) I think you have convinced me to look further into using the BMW bar-end throttle lock on the PC. Higher initial cost but it sounds like it would be MUCH easier to install. I think all that would have to be done would be to remove the bar-end weight, cut the throttle lock shaft to the appropriate length and screw the throttle lock in place of the weight. All done. No messing with throttle or grips at all. Plus you don't have to cut future grips either. But only speculation at this point. Guess I ought to yank out my checkbook one of these months... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Library Research Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:10:25 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com I went to the local public library and did an INFOTRAC search on "Honda PC800". It came back with several citations. If anybody is interested, I can assemble that into a post. The text of one of the articles was available on-line but it appeared to be hosed. In the midst of the article it launched into a discussion on Virago! B-(# The other articles were available on microfilm at my local library. Let me know if you would like me to assemble this info or possibly include it in our FAQ. We do have a FAQ don't we? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Library Research Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 15:46:07 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> I went to the local public library and did an INFOTRAC search on "Honda NT> PC800". It came back with several citations. If anybody is NT> interested, I can assemble that into a post. I think this would be very useful. NT> We do have a FAQ don't we? Uh, yeah. Actually, I promised to start getting one together a while back but I've been bogged down at work fixing supercomputers which break all the time. I'll be out of town for a week starting Wednesday (going to northern Maine; wish I could bring the bike) so I won't have much time to do anything then. I will have plenty of time to think of what to put in; if you have any questions which you think should be there, please send them to me. If you have answers, send them too (and make my life easier). The list should run itself while I'm away. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. <19940711.78E1BC0.95B5@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:17:15 -0500 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Sounds like they messed up the throttle slide so that it sticks, and KP> then adjusted the throttle lock to be as loose as possible in order to KP> provide less restriction when the lock is open. Some of the stickiness worked itself out, and we decided to wait a bit and then drive back down and complain loudly if it doesn't get any better. KP> Smart move :^) It wasn't my idea; we handed them the keys and by the time we got back to the bikes to shove our gear in the trunks they had rolled his bike away. KP> Let's see, you talked him into doing it and then arranged to have his KP> done first... Sure doesn't sound like a guilty conscience to me :^) Actually I feel pretty horrid and an thinking of swapping bikes until I can fix the problem. He rides worse than I do, though... KP> 1) Good review on the trunk lights. Thanks. KP> 2) I think you have convinced me to look further into using the BMW KP> bar-end throttle lock on the PC. Higher initial cost but it sounds like KP> it would be MUCH easier to install. I'm going to take things apart and see just how it was done; it only took them 20 minutes for the whole installation so it couldn't have been that hard. Then again, they screwed up one bike. KP> Guess I ought to yank out my checkbook one of these months... How much does the BMW thing cost? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:17:15 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 16:28:56 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407112117.AA08116@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 11 you wrote: > How much does the BMW thing cost? I've been told they can be had for about $50. But I haven't located a place which sells them so I'm not sure about the price. Though if Joe Senner is still lurking... maybe he knows where they can be had since he has one installed on his K-bike. (Jeez, I can't post anything any more without Joe getting a copy of it) Now if Joe really was a nice guy (like I am), I know he'd permanently loan me his fancy throttle lock with nary a complaint even if I hacked it up a bit... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. (fwd) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 17:25:11 CST Joe Senner wrote: >Kent Polk wrote: >] Though if Joe Senner is still lurking... >I have no idea what you're talking about. Yep. He's still lurking around. >] maybe he knows where they >] can be had since he has one installed on his K-bike. (Jeez, I can't > > Bob's BMW. > All except K1100LT: $55.00 > K1100LT: $65.00 Huh?? > you can specify bar I.D. if needed, 15.5 or 17.5mm. Visa & Mastercard. > (301)924-5155. it's officially called "The Wrist Rest". my guess is > you'll want the standard K100RS version. > > assuming I were to know what you were talking about... > > -- > Joe Senner - Tandem Computers Inc. joe@mpd.tandem.com > joe@rider.cactus.org Since I just got a $25 check from Bicycling magazine for publishing my 'Hot Tip' (or Tip Talk or whatever they call that column), maybe I ought to give my wrist a rest and make a phone call. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu Report-Version: 2 >To: lcpd-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon Jul 11 14:37:07 PST 1994 Not-Delivered-To: sannsm!jonc@sannsm due to Transfer Failure End-Of-Header: From: postmaster@lcpd-sd.sandiegoca.NCR.COM Apparently-To: >From sina.tcamc.uh.edu!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!pc800 Mon Jul 11 14:31 PDT 1994 remote from lcpd-sd by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #5185) 11 Jul 1994 16:18:15 -0500 (CDT) 11 Jul 1994 16:17:20 +0600 11 Jul 1994 16:17:16 +0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:17:15 -0500 >From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. <19940711.78E1BC0.95B5@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Auto-Forwarded-From: abbott!jonc Auto-Forward-Count: 1 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Sounds like they messed up the throttle slide so that it sticks, and KP> then adjusted the throttle lock to be as loose as possible in order to KP> provide less restriction when the lock is open. Some of the stickiness worked itself out, and we decided to wait a bit and then drive back down and complain loudly if it doesn't get any better. KP> Smart move :^) It wasn't my idea; we handed them the keys and by the time we got back to the bikes to shove our gear in the trunks they had rolled his bike away. KP> Let's see, you talked him into doing it and then arranged to have his KP> done first... Sure doesn't sound like a guilty conscience to me :^) Actually I feel pretty horrid and an thinking of swapping bikes until I can fix the problem. He rides worse than I do, though... KP> 1) Good review on the trunk lights. Thanks. KP> 2) I think you have convinced me to look further into using the BMW KP> bar-end throttle lock on the PC. Higher initial cost but it sounds like KP> it would be MUCH easier to install. I'm going to take things apart and see just how it was done; it only took them 20 minutes for the whole installation so it couldn't have been that hard. Then again, they screwed up one bike. KP> Guess I ought to yank out my checkbook one of these months... How much does the BMW thing cost? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** Report-Version: 2 >To: lcpd-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!pc800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon Jul 11 14:49:37 PST 1994 Not-Delivered-To: sannsm!jonc@sannsm due to Transfer Failure End-Of-Header: From: postmaster@lcpd-sd.sandiegoca.NCR.COM Apparently-To: >From sina.tcamc.uh.edu!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!pc800 Mon Jul 11 14:41 PDT 1994 remote from lcpd-sd by Post-Office.UH.EDU (PMDF V4.3-8 #5185) 11 Jul 1994 16:29:27 -0500 (CDT) 11 Jul 1994 16:28:34 +0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:28:56 -0600 (CST) >From: Kent Polk Subject: Re: Vista Cruise throttle lock: good news and bad news. ) (at Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:17:15 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Auto-Forwarded-From: abbott!jonc Auto-Forward-Count: 1 Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407112117.AA08116@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 11 you wrote: > How much does the BMW thing cost? I've been told they can be had for about $50. But I haven't located a place which sells them so I'm not sure about the price. Though if Joe Senner is still lurking... maybe he knows where they can be had since he has one installed on his K-bike. (Jeez, I can't post anything any more without Joe getting a copy of it) Now if Joe really was a nice guy (like I am), I know he'd permanently loan me his fancy throttle lock with nary a complaint even if I hacked it up a bit... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Library Research Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 10:26:53 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com The following is a list of citations found through Infotrac at the Maricopa County Public Library in Phoenix, AZ on July 8, 1994 under the following search criteria: Honda Pacific Coast Honda Pacific Coast PC800 Honda PC800 Pacific Coast 1. Honda Pacific Coast. (evaluation) il v40 Cycle June '89 p30(8) 2. First of the '94's. (motorcycles) (evaluation) il v32 Cycle World Oct '93 p34(8) 3. Pacific Coast: full-coverage convenience. (Honda motorcycle) (evaluation) by David Edwards il v29 Cycle World May '90 p23(1) 4. Upscale Bikers. (Pacific Coast by Honda) (product announcement) by Julia Lieblich il v120 Fortune Sept 11 '89 p10(2) 5. Honda Pacific Coast. (includes related articles) (evaluation) by Jon F. Thompson, Doug Toland and Camron E. Bussard il v28 Cycle World June '89 p46(6) 6. Post-industrial motorcycle design. (Honda Pacific Coast motorcycle styling) by Bruce Finlayson il v40 Cycle June '89 p38(2) 7. Honda Pacific Coast PC800. (evaluation) by Ron Grable il v41 Motor Trend Sept '89 p96(3) 8. Shunpike tour-off: four bikes from three countries, on two lanes; one winner. (BMW K75RT, BMW R100RT, Harley-Davidson FXRT, Honda Pacific Coast) (evaluation) il v41 Cycle May '90 p52(13) 9. Gentleman's express. (Honda PC800 Pacific Coast motorcycle) (evaluation) by Bill Hartford il v167 Popular Mechanics March '90 p120(1) As cited in #5 above: SPECIFICATIONS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- List Price $7698 Importer American Honda, Motors Corp., Inc. 100 W. Alondra Blvd. Gardena, CA 90247Customer service Phone (213) 327-8280 Warranty 12 mo./unlimited mi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGINE & DRIVE TRAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Engine liquid cooled, four-stroke V-Twin Bore x stroke 79.5 x 80.6mm Displacement 800cc Compression ratio 9.0:1 Valve train sohc, three valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters Valve adjustment intervals not required Carburetion (2)34.2mm Keihin Oil capacity 3.2 qt. Electrical power 340w Battery 12v, 10ah ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHASSIS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weight: Tank empty 606 lb. Tank full 631 lb Fuel capacity 4.2 gal. Wheelbase 62.3 in. Rake/trail 28.0*/4.0 in. Seat height 30.0 in. Ground clearance 7.0 in. GVWR 988 lb. Load capacity (tank full) 357 lb. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSPENSION/TIRES/BRAKES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Front suspension: Manufacturer Showa Tube diameter 41 mm Caiimed wheel travel 5.7 in. Adjustments none Rear Suspension: Manufacturer Showa Type twin shock Claimed wheel travel 5.1 in. Adjustments spring preload Tires: Front 120/80-17 Dunlop K555F Rear 140/80-15 Dunlop K555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PERFORMANCE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time to distance: 1/4 mi. 14.48 sec. @89.35 mph Time to speed, sec. 0-30 mph 1.7 0-60 mph 5.6 Top gear time to speed, sec. 40-60 mph 6.5 60-80 mph 7.8 Calculated speed at 7500 rpm redline 1st gear 35 mph 2nd gear 65 mph 3rd gear 74 mph 4th gear 95 mph 5th gear 115 mph Measured top speed 107 mph Engine speed at 60 mph 3910 rpm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FUEL CONSUMPTION ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- High/low/avg. 46/35/41 mpg Avg. range inc. reserve 142 mi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BRAKING DISTANCE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- from 30 mph 29 ft. from 60 mph 130 ft. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPEEDOMETER ERROR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30 mph indicated 28 mph 60 mph indicated 56 mph ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Library Research Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 12:39:47 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: Thanks a bunch for that; I'll have to look some of these up. Unfortunately, the specs cited are five (almost six) years out of date: NT> SPECIFICATIONS Some of these are old or incorrect: NT> List Price $7698 Currently $6995, who knows for '95? NT> Warranty 12 mo./unlimited mi. Now gets the Touring Warranty, 36 mo./unlimited mi. NT> Weight: Tank empty 606 lb. I believe this is 612 lb. for '94 49 state model. NT> FUEL CONSUMPTION NT> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NT> High/low/avg. 46/35/41 mpg Avg. range inc. reserve 142 mi. This must be a joke. I ride pretty hard (not like Kent, but...) and I get 45 minimum city, and I sit in a lot of traffic. At least 55 highway. There is no reserve, but I hit red on the gauge at 160 miles and haven't pushed it much past that. What does everyone else get? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Library Research Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 12:45:51 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com In article Jason L Tibbitts III writes: >Currently $6995, who knows for '95? The local dealer quoted me 7595 for '95, I think. One of the other articles in my earlier post had a similar but slightly different set of specs. I didn't try to reconcile or consolidate them. I just grabbed the one that happened to be on top and called it close enough. I guessed that everything technical remained pretty much the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: My next bike?????? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:13:16 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com Hi folks! I have been looking for a used PC but none have come up in the last month or 2. I did however locate a new '94 PC for sale in Tucson. None are to be had here in Phoenix. The dealer in Tucson advertised the bike in the local Cycle Trader for $5895. I called and offered him $5400. He held firm at $5700. My dilema is three-fold. First, is that a good price for a '94? I think it is since it is my understanding that the list is about $6995. I think the dealers cost is around $5550. Also I am told that the '95s will list at about $7500. Second, I have never bought a new bike before. Is there anything that I should know about cutting this deal with a dealer? Third and perhaps most troubling, I am 38 years old, I am 5'9" and only about 130 pounds. I have only been riding for about a year and a half. My first and only bike is an '82 Honda CM200T. I have been commuting on it pretty much daily year-round. Phoenix is a great place to own a motorcycle B-)#. My only regret with that bike is that I want to be able to tour and recognize that the 200cc is inappropriate. I have been unsuccessful in trying to test ride a PC. I have never ridden a bike as large as the PC and am concerned as to how well I can handle a bike that large. I realize it is no Gold Wing but I am a little intimidated by the idea that it is 4 times larger displacement than my current bike. Regardless of purchase, I am signed up to take the MSF course in August. Something that I should have done a year and a half ago no doubt. I also am planning on buying some protective clothing if I get the PC. I have heard mostly positive on the Aerostich (sp?) and requested a catalog. I am concerned about how that will feel in the desert heat. Somebody on rec.motorcycles mentioned 'Cool Tech'. Any comments. Your speedy reply is appreciated. Thanks. P.S. Has anybody ever noticed that the PC looks a little like a scooter on steroids? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:13:16 +0000) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: My next bike?????? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 13:30:28 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in on Jul 21 you wrote: > Hi folks! [...] > I have never ridden a bike as large as the PC and am concerned as to how well > I can handle a bike that large. I realize it is no Gold Wing but I am a Though the PC is fairly large and cumbersome while at rest, it handles like a bike much smaller - mostly due to the very low CG. Also has a fairly short saddle height so that should help things out. Its outboard pontoons do an excellent job of protecting the rest of the bike if you do go down, as Joe 'Lurker' Senner can attest to... seeing :^) Don't expect to do much trail riding with it though... > little intimidated by the idea that it is 4 times larger displacement than my > current bike. Not to worry, it doesn't have enough horsepower to cause much of a problem here. > P.S. Has anybody ever noticed that the PC looks a little like a scooter on > steroids? That's a pretty common appellation for it... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: My next bike?????? Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:30:18 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> The dealer in Tucson advertised the bike in the local Cycle Trader for NT> $5895. I called and offered him $5400. He held firm at $5700. That sounds like a good price to me. They are probably dumping in preparation for the '95 models. Anyone know what '95 will bring? NT> First, is that a good price for a '94? I would say so. There were better deals on '90 and '89 models still in the crate just before '94, but don't count on things going that way this time unless they really made some changes. NT> Third and perhaps most troubling, I am 38 years old, I am 5'9" and only NT> about 130 pounds. I'm 24, 5'9.5", 120 lbs. NT> I have only been riding for about a year and a half. My first and only NT> bike is an '82 Honda CM200T. I had never ridden before. No MSF, no mopeds, nothing (unless you count a bicycle). NT> I also am planning on buying some protective clothing if I get NT> the PC. I have heard mostly positive on the Aerostich (sp?) and NT> requested a catalog. I am concerned about how that will feel in the NT> desert heat. I have few problems in the Houston Death Heat (TM) which includes generous amounts of humidity. I have an Aerostich 2-piece, red with black ballistics. NT> P.S. Has anybody ever noticed that the PC looks a little like a NT> scooter on steroids? Some say so. I think it's because if the big ass end and the lack of any engine parts sticking out. Rides like a motorcycle, though, as it should. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: SAENG windshield edging Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:43:03 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III A while back I called up SAENG/TA Inc. at 1-800-TOURING and asked about their windshield edging. I talked to Charles Saunders, the owner himself, who was very friendly and more than happy to chat a while about his product. He mentioned that he knew of the Internet and I urged him to get connected in some way. I also ordered four feet of edging for the stock PC windshield. Today it arrived, and I immediately put it on and did some freeway driving. I went about 60 miles at speeds exceeding 85 mi/hr and did some quick and dirty tests on the location of the air envelope. I found that the stuff worked as advertised, expanding the envelope by about three inches. The amount of wind buffeting and turbulence was reduced drastically. I can now ride in peace without headaches or ear discomfort and can easily hear my helmet headphones without turning up the volume much. Specifically, my usual riding position is crouched slightly with my face shield open. I look through the windshield most of the time, but do vary position to look over the windshield occasionally. I am 5'9.5" and wear an AGV R1 helmet. Without the edging the crouched position is mandatory; looking over the windshield is painful, as is closing the face shield (probably due to horrible helmet design). With the edging I can comfortably sit in any position and can close the face shield when crouched. My riding has been made much more enjoyable and I believe that this has been the best $40 I've spent on the bike outside of gas. The edging itself is made of black synthetic material not unlike tire compound. It slips on the edge of the shield easily and is held in place by spring clips which are embedded within the edging. There is no exposed metal to scratch your shield. You can cut the stuff with a utility knife and a small pair of pliers; the clip material is perforated so you can easily remove some if it protrudes from the ends of the rubber. The ends themselves are not finished in any way; you can cut it and shape them if you wish but the very ends may not be as pretty as the rest of the edging. My vision is not really obstructed in any way, though the .75" black line took a bit of getting used to. It makes the bike look a bit nicer too, in my opinion. I urge everyone with wind noise problems to at least try the stuff. SAENG has a liberal return policy (if you don't like it, send it back). The guy is really nice and makes a great product. If it isn't enough he makes windshield extensions called winglets that can be used to add even more air pocket if desired. The most extensive set is only $84 and I'm considering a set. If anyone else is interested, you save about $9 on each set if you buy two or more so a group order would definitely be useful. Also, Saunders keeps an extensive database of satisfaction rates. When I placed my order he pulled up the entries for the PC and quoted a 97% satisfaction rate. He also made sure to tell me that 20% decided that it did help but went on to purchase the winglets or moved up to a bigger windshield (which he doesn't sell). I'm interested in other experiences. Be sure to include height, helmet brand and usual riding position. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: Adminstrator To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 19:40:00 PDT User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: SANDIEGOCA/SANNSM/jonc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ uh.edu> <2E308305@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com>; Fri, 22 Jul 94 19:40:05 PDT >From sina.tcamc.uh.edu!sina.tcamc.uh.edu!pc800 Fri Jul 22 19:43 PDT 1994 remote from lcpd-sd 1994 19:46 PDT Jul 1994 20:45:36 -0500 (CDT) +0600 Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:43:04 +0600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:43:03 -0500 >From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: SAENG windshield edging To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Auto-Forwarded-From: abbott!jonc Auto-Forward-Count: 1 A while back I called up SAENG/TA Inc. at 1-800-TOURING and asked about their windshield edging. I talked to Charles Saunders, the owner himself, who was very friendly and more than happy to chat a while about his product. He mentioned that he knew of the Internet and I urged him to get connected in some way. I also ordered four feet of edging for the stock PC windshield. Today it arrived, and I immediately put it on and did some freeway driving. I went about 60 miles at speeds exceeding 85 mi/hr and did some quick and dirty tests on the location of the air envelope. I found that the stuff worked as advertised, expanding the envelope by about three inches. The amount of wind buffeting and turbulence was reduced drastically. I can now ride in peace without headaches or ear discomfort and can easily hear my helmet headphones without turning up the volume much. Specifically, my usual riding position is crouched slightly with my face shield open. I look through the windshield most of the time, but do vary position to look over the windshield occasionally. I am 5'9.5" and wear an AGV R1 helmet. Without the edging the crouched position is mandatory; looking over the windshield is painful, as is closing the face shield (probably due to horrible helmet design). With the edging I can comfortably sit in any position and can close the face shield when crouched. My riding has been made much more enjoyable and I believe that this has been the best $40 I've spent on the bike outside of gas. The edging itself is made of black synthetic material not unlike tire compound. It slips on the edge of the shield easily and is held in place by spring clips which are embedded within the edging. There is no exposed metal to scratch your shield. You can cut the stuff with a utility knife and a small pair of pliers; the clip material is perforated so you can easily remove some if it protrudes from the ends of the rubber. The ends themselves are not finished in any way; you can cut it and shape them if you wish but the very ends may not be as pretty as the rest of the edging. My vision is not really obstructed in any way, though the .75" black line took a bit of getting used to. It makes the bike look a bit nicer too, in my opinion. I urge everyone with wind noise problems to at least try the stuff. SAENG has a liberal return policy (if you don't like it, send it back). The guy is really nice and makes a great product. If it isn't enough he makes windshield extensions called winglets that can be used to add even more air pocket if desired. The most extensive set is only $84 and I'm considering a set. If anyone else is interested, you save about $9 on each set if you buy two or more so a group order would definitely be useful. Also, Saunders keeps an extensive database of satisfaction rates. When I placed my order he pulled up the entries for the PC and quoted a 97% satisfaction rate. He also made sure to tell me that 20% decided that it did help but went on to purchase the winglets or moved up to a bigger windshield (which he doesn't sell). I'm interested in other experiences. Be sure to include height, helmet brand and usual riding position. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Mail failure <2E30830D@sansmtpgw.sandiegoca.ncr.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 08:19:01 -0500 Sorry about that folks; just another stupidly configured Microsoft Mail site sending bounces back to the From: address. Poor old jobc has been blown away. - J ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:43:03 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: SAENG windshield edging Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 09:09:46 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9407230143.AA04049@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jul 22 you wrote: > A while back I called up SAENG/TA Inc. at 1-800-TOURING and asked about > their windshield edging. I talked to Charles Saunders, the owner himself, Nice review. Keep it for the FAQ :^) Sounds like if I were a couple of inches shorter, I would be as happy as you with the stuff. SAENG also sells some spray cleaner/wax that I picked up when I bought my Stealth Edging. Stuff works better for cleaning all that plastic than anything else I have tried. --- Also, I finally called Bob's BMW. One 'Wrist Rest' for a PC800 is on its way. Will be about a week. And yes, Lurker Joe, you can close your dropped jaw. And yes, you can also go back to leaving your Wrist Rest attached to your K100 when I'm around :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: SAENG cleaner <19940725.77E7180.89C3@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 11:52:34 -0500 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> SAENG also sells some spray cleaner/wax that I picked up when I bought KP> my Stealth Edging. I got some too. KP> Stuff works better for cleaning all that plastic than anything else I KP> have tried. I agree. I cleaned the entire bike, including the muffler, windshield, and dashboard. OK, not the seat; I'm not that brave. It works wonders and looks great. Do avoid my mistake and don't try it on the clutch or brake levers. The cleaner is about $13 for two really big cans (20 oz, I believe). --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Limited edition PC? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:07:24 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III A friend claims that in '90 Honda came out with a limited edition PC with digital goodies and bunches of extras. Does anyone know of such a thing? I've never seen one, but he claims to have seen it in Houston a couple of months ago. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: pckwong@hkuxa.hku.hk (VR2XVI) Subject: Re: Limited edition PC? To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 9:31:24 WST > > A friend claims that in '90 Honda came out with a limited edition PC with > digital goodies and bunches of extras. Does anyone know of such a thing? > I've never seen one, but he claims to have seen it in Houston a couple of > months ago. > --- > Maybe that is a Japanese domestic model. Not as the HONDA Goldwings, PCs are made in Japan. - Philips Wong, VR2XVI ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Trip Report Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:09:46 I thought I would relate the details of my trip from Tucson to Phoenix. It was sort of unusual in it's one-way nature. It was from the dealer's to home. I picked up my brand-spanking new '94 Honda Pacific Coast on Saturday. Other than the perma-smile, it was an uneventful trip. I completed the transaction which had been set-up over the phone with Musselman Honda. I did the in-person paperwork with Mrs. Musselman. She was a very pleasant grey haired little lady. Afterward, I asked her how long they had been in business. She said, "We are the original owners, and have been at this location since 1948." She also said that they are the oldest Honda dealership in the country. Anybody have any verification on that. They delivered the bike, gave my an orientation and said, "There you go!" I was still feeling intimidated by the bike. I bought a soda and drank it standing and looking at the bike. The shop people kept giving me funny looks like, "Is that guy going to leave, or what?" Finally, I hopped on, backed it up and made a trial run down a dead-end side street which runs next to the dealership. I turned around, rode back, honked and waved and took it out into the traffic. I took the back road (US 89 for those of you with maps) home trying to observe break-in limits and recommendations. The darn thing just kept getting away from me. Next thing I knew 55 mph became 75. Whoa, throttle back. In spite of my caution, I made the ride home of about 150 miles in good time. I cruised by the office to show off to some of the poor folks who had to put in weekend time. I did some casual around town cruising. The next day, I put on about 150 more miles cruising up AZ 87 almost all the way to Payson and back. My goal is to get the bike in for it's 600 mile service this coming weekend. It'll be tough putting in a couple of long evening rides this week, but I think I can get through it. Ironically, the Rider Wearhouse catalog I requested arrived today. Do you think the Aerostich and the Honda people are working together to separate me from ALL my money, ALL at once? When the bike is standing still, it is big and heavy for me. As soon as I get it rolling under power, it is rock steady and stable, smooth and quiet. But then most of you already know all of this. I expect that wrestling it around is a matter of technique and brute strength. I hope to get better at the technique because I don't expect to get much better at the brute strength. I did notice that my normal riding position puts me looking just over the windshield. A tiny amount of slouch, puts me looking through the 'glass' and virtually eliminates the wind noise in my helmet. I have been reading about the windsheld edging and the pros and cons about taller after market windsheilds. I don't mind looking either over or through the windshield nor do I really mind the wind noise in my helmet. It can't be much different than what I am used to, but the difference an inch or two of slouch makes it quite dramatic and intriguing. The whole time, I've been thinking of the Jimi Hendrix song "Little Wing". I pulled out the album and here are the lyrics Well she's walking through the clouds, With a circus smile that's running wild. Butterflies and zebras, And moonbeams and fairy tales, That's all she ever thinks about. Riding with the wind When I'm sad, she comes to me, With a thousand smiles, she gives to me free. It's alright, she says its alright, Take anyting you want from me. Anything. Fly on little wing. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com '94 Honda PC800 DOD 1133 AMA #pending HRCA hmmm HSTA hmmm "Little Wing" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Enhancements Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:27:39 In article kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) writes: >Nice review. Keep it for the FAQ :^) Sounds like if I were a couple of >inches shorter, I would be as happy as you with the stuff. >SAENG also sells some spray cleaner/wax that I picked up when I bought >my Stealth Edging. Stuff works better for cleaning all that plastic >than anything else I have tried. I guess I've got more people after my money. I am about Jason's height and figure a 3" envelope increase would be just about right. >Also, I finally called Bob's BMW. One 'Wrist Rest' for a PC800 is on >its way. Will be about a week. And yes, Lurker Joe, you can close your >dropped jaw. And yes, you can also go back to leaving your Wrist Rest >attached to your K100 when I'm around :^) Can't wait to hear about the results. Between the Vista Cruise option and this one, it is nice to know that there is something to try. So far, the FAQ looks like it includes: Distribution List/Survey Results Specs Bibliography Customization Windshield (aftermarket replacement, edging, etc.) Throttle Controls Tires Front Fork Modifications Anything else? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com '94 Honda PC800 DOD 1133 AMA #pending HRCA hmmm HSTA hmmm "Little Wing" ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:27:39 +0000) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: PC800 suspension parts Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 09:05:47 CST I'm trying to sell my house and need to get rid of some 'junk'. I have the original fork springs and rear 'shocks' (well, Honda calls them shocks, so I figure I ought to give 'em a nod here) if anyone wants them. Otherwise I'm gonna donate them to the local mc repair shop spare parts bin. If you want them, be willing to pay postage and I'll ship 'em out. -------------- Also, was cleaning out pictures this weekend and found some shots I took of the bike sans front plastic and forks (when I was replacing the front end), and sans rear bodywork (when I was replaing the rear shocks). I can arrange to have them scanned if anyone is curious. Don't think they'd be of tremendous benefit, but are interesting if you haven't pulled your bike apart yet. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson)) (at Mon, 25 Jul 1994 21:27:39 +0000) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Enhancements Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 09:12:39 CST Hi Neill (Neill Thompson), in on Jul 25 you wrote: > So far, the FAQ looks like it includes: > > Distribution List/Survey Results [...] > Anything else? Evaluation of Works Performance dual-rate rear shocks should be in there somewhere also. If not, here's the review: "Fabulous!!! Real Rear Shocks for the PC??! No More Slinky Trunk (tm)?!! Great Price!!! Absolutely, No Question!!! Sunday, Sunday, Suuuunday!!!" How's that for a review? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: PC800 suspension parts <19940726.77F3A40.88EF@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 12:14:14 -0400 From: ford@tom.alf.dec.com I, for one, would like to see the pictures. If you get other interest, please put me on the list of interested parties. Thanks. - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair) Subject: Re: Enhancements To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:08:55 -0500 (CDT) > > Evaluation of Works Performance dual-rate rear shocks should be in there > somewhere also. If not, here's the review: > > "Fabulous!!! Real Rear Shocks for the PC??! No More Slinky Trunk (tm)?!! > Great Price!!! Absolutely, No Question!!! Sunday, Sunday, Suuuunday!!!" > > How's that for a review? > > Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > not bad. so how much and from where is the "Great Price"? also, i need a new rear tire. any suggestions, given that my front is still ok? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ David Blair Tandem Computers If an opinion is expressed above, 512/244-8000 14231 Tandem Blvd. it's probably not mine and blair@mpd.tandem.com Austin, TX 78728 certainly not Tandem's. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair)) (at Tue, 26 Jul 1994 14:08:55 -0500 (CDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Enhancements Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 14:55:44 CST Hi David (David Blair), in <9407261908.AA10475@jake> on Jul 26 you wrote: > > How's that for a review? > > not bad. so how much and from where is the "Great Price"? > also, i need a new rear tire. any suggestions, given that > my front is still ok? Details... Dang, that was almost two years ago... I think I paid somewhere around $230 for the WP set, but I wouldn't bet on it. Sorry, I don't have the ph# for Works Performance. I've been running ML2's, but sure wish I could find a better rear tire. Heard that some guys were running the ME33 radial with some Dunlop rear and having better results, but haven't heard which Dunlop it was. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: tires... Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 18:12:29 CST An update on tires for the PC. Got some bad news. Appears that my ME33 Radial has failed and is starting to rip the ML2 apart in the process of failing. Both tires have over 6k miles on them - think closer to 7k, so that's only about 1k miles short of what I usually get on a set of tires. But I'm gonna try the ME33 radial again. It simply corners so much better than the bias-ply that I can't give up on it. Hoping the failure won't happen again... However, I think I'm going with a Dunlop Bias-ply for the rear instead of the ML2. Dang - forgot which one, but it's Dunlop's std sport-touring tire. Heard that it handles rain better than the ML2 also and that combo has been seen on a number of sport- tourers running 337, so maybe it works... Joe... It appears that I had two problems occurring at the same time. On that trip up to Austin, just before the Joust trip, the carbs screwed up *and* I think my front tire began to fail. I just assumed that the problems I saw were caused by one event... The carbs are dead-on now, the exhaust system, etc. looks great, but the bike still had the problem. Then I started noticing a vibration/waggle in the front, which acted like the air pressure was too low. Hardly noticable and didn't seem to cause much trouble at low speeds. Now I think that the vibration and low gas-mileage on the trip was caused by the tire vibration at higher speeds when it warmed up. Starting last week, the tire changed radically, when coasting about 5 mph or so the handlebars would slowly waggle like the road was messed up, and low speed corners went beserk, like the rear tire was having to release the tread to get lined up properly. Kinda did this little skip thing... Took the bike by Ray's at lunch today and he confirmed that the tire has gone bad. So looks like I'll be trying out the ME33 radial/ Dunlop combo in the near future. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair) Subject: Re: tires... To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 12:48:45 -0500 (CDT) > > [snip] > > Joe... It appears that I had two problems occurring at the same > time. On that trip up to Austin, just before the Joust trip, the > carbs screwed up *and* I think my front tire began to fail. I > just assumed that the problems I saw were caused by one event... > The carbs are dead-on now, the exhaust system, etc. looks great, > but the bike still had the problem. > About those carbs... My PC has developed a sputter when revving thru 5k in 2nd gear, and, I'm only getting 30-35 mpg. I hate having to start thinking about gas every 100mi. Any ideas or similar experiences? > > [snip] > > Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute > Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu > > -- _____________________________________________________________________________ David Blair Tandem Computers If an opinion is expressed above, 512/244-8000 14231 Tandem Blvd. it's probably not mine and blair@mpd.tandem.com Austin, TX 78728 certainly not Tandem's.