From tibbs Fri Jun 10 00:41:15 1994 To: pc800 Subject: test! Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 00:41:12 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Just testing. - J From tibbs Tue Jun 14 15:34:01 1994 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Welcome Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:33:58 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Welcome aboard! I've added each of you to the PC800 mailing list because you responded favorably to my original query on rec.motorcycles. Here's hoping that this works out. The list server should have sent you information on how to talk to it and how to remove yourself from this list should you choose to do so. If you did not get this information please let me know. So, what to start out with? Well, I'd like to get a FAQ together. I'll post an outline of what I think should go in; if anyone has any good questions (and maybe answers) please send them over. About me: well, I'm 24, have a 1994 PC800 with about 1.5K miles on it. It's my first bike. I want to learn more about it, so I figured I'd get together a few other PC riders and share some grey matter. At first I found Greg Wilhelm and Derek Catt on the rec.motos who gave me bunches of useful information and basically convinced me to buy the bike in the first place. Derek especially gave me loads of stuff and remarked that I should at least get a FAQ together, if not start start up a list. Now Derek has passed on... but no more of that. What about you? --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** From tibbs Tue Jun 14 17:16:44 1994 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Rough start Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:16:41 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III OK, it looks like I misconfigured something. My software worked fine for local users, but is having trouble with non-local ones. If you get weird bounces, please keep trying. I'm fixing the problems as they come up. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Infrastructure Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:37:26 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> I have been interested in this bike since I saw it in the '94 Honda NT> full line brochure. I thought their write-up sounded kind of goofy, but how else can you describe something that's 90% bike, 10% car? NT> I have noticed that there is not a review of it in RMR. I think a NT> review would serve as a centerpiece for a FAQ. It might be tough to get an objective review, since everyone seems to love them or hate them. Still, it's something that needs doing. NT> I got some pictures scanned by a local BBS sysop if that is a problem. I have a DTP setup here, but I lack good pictures. I vote that we NOT use Kent's bike as a model. Let's see: ground off footpegs, ground off centerstand, ground down crash protectors (see a pattern here...) and one good size tire track on the trunk (gotta love Austin drivers). --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:37:26 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 18:13:40 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9406142237.AA16849@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 14 you wrote: > It might be tough to get an objective review, since everyone seems to love > them or hate them. Still, it's something that needs doing. I think I'd be pretty objective. I bought mine because it seemed the most pragmatic thing to do at the time, not because I wanted it... And it took some time for the bike to grow on me. You can turn it into a pretty good 'sleeper' if you like that sort of thing. And I've written a number of mini-reviews that were posted to rec.moto in the last two years. Maybe the problem with me writing a review is: > I vote that we NOT use > Kent's bike as a model. Let's see: ground off footpegs, ground off [...] :^) Not to mentioned *why* I won the Joust Squid award... -- I tend to drive the sh*t out of my PC... 50 miles of Angels Crest at redline in 3rd gear with the pegs folded on most of the corners for example... (Dang, I wonder what that funny smell is?) (Oops, maybe back off a little bit here - floating the lifters) -- Appears there are quite a few PC800's in the Tx area who might be able to make the next Splatterfest. I'm on the list for cooking fajitas if we can budget things well enough and I can figure out how to cook 'em in bulk. Show up so we can jaw PC's and maybe even have a PC800 fleet run! (gotta find some miniature fuzzy dice). Might turn into a media event... PC800: It takes licking and keeps on ticking! And you can even wash dishes in the trunk (makes a good birdbath also). Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Re: Infrastructure Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:04:38 Cc: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com Another thing I thought of is to maintain a list of who we are, where we are located, internet address, year owned (if any), purchased new (y/n), maybe some other stuff. Any suggestions? Any volunteers for KoTPC800L? Here is my info: Neill Thompson, Phoenix AZ, nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com, not yet, NA Another FAQ topic that I just thought of is the groups of particular interest to those interested in PC: HRCA, HSTA... I don't really know this info but would like to. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. Helping you control your world "Wee Bad" nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:14:11 -0500 >>>>> "NT" == Neill Thompson writes: NT> Another thing I thought of is to maintain a list of who we are, where NT> we are located, internet address, year owned (if any), purchased new NT> (y/n), maybe some other stuff. Sounds good to me; I'll keep track of the info. Lessee: Name: Location: Email: PC model year: Used/New: How about modifications, extras, etc? NT> Another FAQ topic that I just thought of is the groups of particular NT> interest to those interested in PC: HRCA, HSTA... I don't really know NT> this info but would like to. Ah, yes. If you buy a new honda you get a free year of Honda Riders Club of America. I have the info at home. The Honda Sport Touring Association guy just posted the information on rec.moto, perhaps it hasn't expired yet. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 22:29:29 EDT Subject: Re: Member Bios. Here are my vitals: Gary A. Wade, M.Ed., OTR; Galveston, Texas; E-mail: garywotr@aol.com; '94 Honda PC800(bought new in September, '93); have approx. 4300 miles on it thus far; have done one cross-country ride(Galveston to Estes Park, Colorado and back in May[2600 round trip total mileage]; work as Director of Education/Research, Dept. of Rehabilitation Services, Division of Occupational Therapy, Univ. of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston(UTMB)(also Associate Professor of Occupational Therapy in the School of Allied Health Sciences at UTMB; employed here for 23 years. Currently involved with the "Summer from Hell": trying to sell a house, buy a house and plan daughter's August wedding--'nuff stress stuff for one summer, don't ya think? Happy this list is up and going and a good opportunity for we PC riders to exchange ideas, experiences, etc. --gary ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair) Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Name: David Blair Location: Austin, TX Email: blair@mpd.tandem.com PC model year: 94 Used/New: New I'm not even close to being as old as Kent, am a native Austinite, road dirt bikes in high school then hit the streets about 2 years ago. Took the first street bike(78 GS550E) cliff diving try to follow kent up 16. (kent, i know you were impressed then, but how was it first hand? ;^) The wife bought me the PC new last October. 4k miles on it. Mostly to/from work, sometimes the long way, and short(100 mi) afternoon rides 2-up. Did the spring splat and ran away from a Goof2 and a VFR750 and almost up the tailpipe of a R1100RS(breaks bade :). --------------------- Modifications: Chatterbox power Saeng Steath edging on stock windshield --------------------- Comments: Still seems too new to be opened up to modify and I'm just now starting to push the envelope to the point where I really need to fix the suspension etc. Had the tall windshild installed, got home and called the shop and told them I was on the way back to get the stock shield put back on. The tall one shakes and and distorts and the top edge split my view in such a way that it was impossible to setup for even easy curves. I'm 6'2" so maybe it would work for shorter folks. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ David Blair Tandem Computers If an opinion is expressed above, 512/244-8106 14231 Tandem Blvd. it's probably not mine and blair@mpd.tandem.com Austin, TX 78728 certainly not Tandem's. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 01:08:15 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure Here is my information. Looks like we're off to a good start. Name: Jim Minyard Location: Knoxville, TN Email: jfminyard@aol.com PC model year: '90 (red) Used/New: New November '92 How about modifications, extras, etc? Built a custom rack and backrest. It's rough, on the big side and not real pretty, but works well. I have ideas on how to improve all of these features but lack the tools. I also added a Cycle Comm CB intercom setup that works OK except for the wind noise off of the standard fairing. I am interested in reports on the Rifle fairing and the extended Hondaline fairing or whether the SAENG tubing works. I could be happy with very little change but my frequent passenger would like better protection. About me: I'm 34(almost) work as a technician and don't get to ride anywhere near as much as I would like. The PC is my second bike and with my limited experience I may never need to make use of the excellent performance modifications posted by Kent. Keep it coming guys. Jim Minyard '90 PC(Pleasantly Careening)800 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:08:15 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:17:57 CST Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <9406150108.tn1212179@aol.com> on Jun 15 you wrote: > reports on the Rifle fairing and the extended Hondaline fairing or whether > the SAENG tubing works. With my stock windshield, I'd say the Saeng edging works. Not as much as I wish it would, but I can now ride with my helmet shield open and it doesn't get thrashed by the wind. Main reason for getting the Saeng stuff was so I could use the Chatterbox (without earplugs). With the stock windshield, 4' ($40) of the edging leaves about 3 or 4 inches left over. Results: still noisy on the open slab so I usually use earplugs inserted lightly, but riding backroads with no crosswinds, etc. the stuff really does well and I don't use earplugs. Noise level appears to be comparable to using earplugs - just different frequencies - and it's a lot more comfortable than earplugs. :^) Probably need to work some more on my RF200 helmet... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from blair@mpd.tandem.com (David Blair)) (at Wed, 15 Jun 1994 18:31:35 -0500 (CDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 12:34:31 CST Hi David (David Blair), in <9406152331.AA09067@jake> on Jun 15 you wrote: > Took the first street bike(78 GS550E) cliff diving try to follow kent > up 16. (kent, i know you were impressed then, but how was it first > hand? ;^) Well, mine was still *nothing* compared to what you did... I just planted the bike and did a swan dive. And I didn't hit anything; used the long grass growing down the side of the cliff to slow my descent. And the tiny scratches on the bumper-protectors were ground off coming down Mulholland, so virtually all evidence is gone. Actually I just made up the whole thing so I could win the Joust Best Crash category. Or maybe it was because I was wearing Randy's old pair of *tight* leather pants at the time... :^O Nope, your cliff dive *has* to be the all-time best. I've never even heard a tall tale that came close to what you really did. If you'd had that thing videotaped, you'd be rich by now... > up the tailpipe of a R1100RS(breaks bade :). ^Brakes Bade - he hasn't broken anything yet. Just causes panic stops for those riding behind him. :^) And to his credit, I did find someone else who is almost as bad about braking on corners as Bade is... Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: Re: Infrastructure <9406150108.tn1212179@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:08:11 -0500 Here's my info... Name: Jason L Tibbitts Location: Houston, TX. Email: tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu PC Model Year: 94 Used/New: New Modifications: Not much. Just the basic useful things, like the mud guard (which I think is necessary) and the trunk light set (pretty useful). There seem to be a bunch of us in Texas. I wonder why that is... Keep 'em coming. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: Tank bags and Stereo Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:16:05 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III I've decided that a tank bag might be a useful addition for trips. Unfortunately the all-plastic design and lack of a real up-front gas tank prevent any normal tank bag attachments. Has anyone rigged one up? I saw one for a goldwing that looked like it might work, but other than that no leads. Somebody told me that it could be done, but I can't remember who. Also, those blank panels on the fairing just beg for speakers. I've seen the stock Kenwood stereo and decided I wanted one, but I've found that it's just plain not available. Any solutions for tunes while riding? Derek Catt knew someone who had rigged something up, but never got around to telling me. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800 Subject: New list info Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:57:31 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III I added some information to the list info that you get when you sign on or send an "info pc800" command to majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu. It's a bit more complete than what I originally there. I include it below; can anyone see anything that I missed? I also posted an announcement on rec.moto; does anyone know of any other ways to get good coverage? >>>> info pc800 [Last updated on: Thu Jun 16 13:52:45 1994] Description ----------- This list is for discussion relating to Honda's Pacific Coast PC800 motorcycle. Any relevant discussion is encouraged: questions, modifications, gripes, stories, etc. Instructions ------------ To send a message to the list, mail to pc800@tcamc.uh.edu. For help on dealing with the mailing list software (for getting the archives or other files which may be made available) send the message "help" to majordomo@tcamc.uh.edu. Archives of previous messages are available; to get them send the above mentioned help message and investigate the "index" and "get" commands. Members are encouraged to tell the list about themselves. Please take the time to tell the list the following info: Name: Location: Email: PC Model year (if you have one): Bought Used/New: Modifications made to bike: Policies -------- This list is unmoderated. Any message sent to this list that does not seem to the software to be an administrative request will be immediately sent to all of the list recipients. Replies to messages from this list will go back to the entire list unless you specify another behavior to your mail software. Please keep discussion relevant to the purpose of the list, and edit the Subject: header appropriately. Thanks! --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from Jason L Tibbitts III ) (at Thu, 16 Jun 1994 13:16:05 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Tank bags and Stereo Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 14:59:22 CST Hi Jason (Jason L Tibbitts III), in <9406161816.AA03532@tcamc.uh.edu> on Jun 16 you wrote: > I've decided that a tank bag might be a useful addition for trips. > Unfortunately the all-plastic design and lack of a real up-front gas tank > prevent any normal tank bag attachments. Has anyone rigged one up? I saw If you use a 3-point hitch tankbag it's easy. Hook the rear strap around the frame members down by the gas tank (just pull up the front of the seat to get to it) and then pull the two little plastic covers between the handlebars and the tank off, run the strap for the two front connectors around the headstock, put the covers back on and hook up the tankbag. Front straps go *over* the little covers. Just pop the rear connector loose and slide the tankbag out of the way when gassing up. When the tankbag isn't needed, just pop the covers off and hide the front strap underneath, lift the front of the seat up (one side will do) and hide the rear strap under there. Main reasons I wanted a tankbag was for 1) a map carrier 2) convenient place to stash my water bottle and 3) various other handy items like snacks, notepad, sunblock, camera, etc. so I just got a cheapie $50 hardside tankbag with a ziptop and Velcro'ed map carrier. It's not even particularly watertight, but then it really doesn't need to be (due to that sheet of plexiglas up front) unless you plan on sitting in the rain for long periods of time. Worked great. > just plain not available. Any solutions for tunes while riding? Derek > Catt knew someone who had rigged something up, but never got around to > telling me. Chatterbox or such will let you plug in a radio, etc. Chatterbox is mono though. :^( Me? I just sing to myself when I'm riding. Throw in a little bike dance here and there when no cagers are around to suspect I've lost control... :^) Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu with TCP; Fri, 17 Jun 94 10:42:12 CDT via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.940617104042.480; 17 Jun 94 10:42:01 +600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Larry E. Adams" To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 10:40:40 CDT Subject: New member Priority: normal As per the request for new members to tell the list about themselves: Name: Larry Adams Location: Birmingham, AL Email: ADAMSLE@BIOCOM1.BIOC.UAB.EDU PC Model/year: 1994 Bought Used/New: Purchased used with 400 miles on the clock Modifications made to bike: Addition of Staeng Stealth Edging on windshield. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: New member Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:48:32 -0500 >>>>> "LEA" == Larry E Adams writes: LEA> As per the request for new members to tell the list about themselves: Welcome aboard! I notice we've had a bunch of new users in the past couple of days; go ahead and introduce yourselves! LEA> Purchased used with 400 miles on the clock Wow. I searched in vain for a used one; now that I know more about the bike trade I'm sure I could have found one but it looks like you struck gold. LEA> Addition of Staeng Stealth Edging on windshield. I notice a few people are using this. How does it work? I'm vacillating on whether or not I want to spend $200 on a bigger windshield for mine. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Date: Fri, 17 Jun 94 21:35:24 EDT Subject: Re: PC800 PC Listers: Nice to find other PC800 devotees online. Bought my '94 PC800 in September, '93[after totaling my 1981 CM400T which I had ridden for 10 years--some yo-yo ran a stop sign in front of me on the way to work one morning and I broadsided him going 35 mph; only hurt my ankle but totaled the bike; damn shame, I really loved that bike.] However, I had been lusting after a new PC800 since they came out in '89. When I learned that they had resurrected the model for '94, I vowed that I would buy one this summer.] However, circumstances being what they were in September and my needing a bike for transportation, I went ahead and bought the first one off the showroom floor here in Galveston, Texas. Spent about $6,950 for it in September, '93; could be that you could get it now for around $6,000. The looks won ME over too! Classy has hell! Almost maintenance free. Easy cleanup; especially important in this sea salt atmosphere of Galveston Island--no chrome to worry about. Have over 4200 miles on it thus far. Took a tour trip from 27 April--13 May from Galveston to Estes Park, Colorado--my first long distance trip on a cycle. My first day out from home I did 690 miles--no discomfort on the butt or back. Had a Vista Cruise cruise control installed on the throttle before I left home--that made a big difference on right hand comfort; don't try a long trip without one. I did ride in sub-freezing weather for about the last 6 hours of a 14 hour day(27 April), however. Never been that cold in my life; and never want to be again. The bike sat outside at the motel in Dumas, Texas all night in 28 degree temps. Started up the first time I tried the next morning--cold hadn't fazed it a bit!! The bike performed like a great dream. Got 52 mpg for a total trip mileage of 2600+ miles. Cruised effortlessly at 70-75 mph most of the way on Interstate or 4-lane highways on the to-and-from trip. Didn't burn an ounce of oil; never got hot; smooth, vibration-free ride(I'm 5'11" tall and weigh 170 lbs.). The luggage compartments stowed road gear, two athletic bags; on top I carried another larger athletic bag bungeed behind me on the passenger seat. Riding the peaks, valleys and sweeping curves of the Colorado Rockies are some experiences I'll never forget.[More trip details later for those who may be interested!] The bike handled beautifully. It weighs about 577 lbs. and was not a problem to hold steady even in the stiffest of winds. The stock windshield afforded adequate protection from the wind; I also used wax ear plugs on the trip to cut wind noise. Gasoline cost for the entire trip was about $60.00! I LOVE THIS BIKE!!! I've talked to other PC800 owners here in Texas and they all love theirs. Some have made modifications in rear suspension only because they ride HARDER than I do. Don't suspect that I'll ever have need to make those mods. myself. Hope this info helps anyone in your deliberations about whether to purchase or not. This is my third cycle since 1975--each one getting bigger(AND more expenseive)! The PC800 is worth every cent in my opinion. Don't, however, pay more than $7,000! Come back with more questions or friendly CHAT if you like. Love to talk about this bike. --gary a. wade --Galveston Island, Texas E-mail: garywotr@aol.com ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GDH3@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jun 94 08:42:50 EDT Subject: New Member Information Here's my information. My name is George Harrison and I live in Voorhees, New Jersey. My Email address is gdh 3@AOL.com. My PC800 is a '94 purchased early this year. I found a dealer that was anxious to get rid of one he received back in August so we started negotiating at the introductory price. I have not made any modifications to the bike, and currently have only 700 miles on it due to being unable to ride for a while after tearing a tendon in my hand in a non-motorcycle accident. The only complaint I've had in 700 miles is somewhat louder than anticipated wind noise. I'm about 5'11'' and thought the standard height windshield would be adequate. If anyone has had a similar problem and found a relatively inexpensive solution, please let me know. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Re: New Member Information <9406190842.tn106654@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 11:09:09 -0500 >>>>> "G" == GDH3 writes: G> My name is George Harrison [...] Welcome aboard! G> The only complaint I've had in 700 miles is somewhat louder than G> anticipated wind noise. I'm about 5'11'' and thought the standard G> height windshield would be adequate. If anyone has had a similar G> problem and found a relatively inexpensive solution, please let me know. I think the wind noise is one of the few real flaws to the bike. Some have bought the Saeng Stealth windshield edging and say that it works somewhat; others say it doesn't work at all (though I don't know of any PC owners in the second category). There's the Honda touring windshield, but I've never seen one. And Rifle makes a line of windshields for the PC that I've heard good things about. Unfortunately the latter two cost about $200. My solution is to ride like I'm on a sportbike, i.e. bent over. Because my helmet's so noisy (an AGV; when I bought it I didn't know anything about helmets) I keep the faceshield open most of the time. That cures the noise problem, but oh how I wish for that much quiet while sitting comfortably. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Sun, 19 Jun 94 19:33:34 EDT Subject: Re: Tank bags and Stereo |> I've seen the stock Kenwood stereo and decided I wanted one, but I've found that it's just plain not available. Any solutions for tunes while riding? I think that I saw one at the Honda dealership in Chattanooga TN, but I don't know if it's still around. I have the Cycle Comm tank mount CB with intercom and stereo relay for a walkman. It's a bit on the expensive side but at the time Chatterbox wasn't as well known. I also thought a CB might be slightly more versatile and I needed the intercom for 2-up(the stereo didn't hurt either). I forget the exact cost, but with two headsets it was over $500. The biggest problem with the unit(and of course with the stock stereo) is of course our friend Mr. Wind Noise. I find that to have a clear conversation at highway speeds you have to duck behind the fairing. Maybe we can get a consensus on what works best. How about it guys? I have heard from a few people on this subject. If anybody else has tried something(anything) please drop a line(even if it didn't work). Please include your height, I'm only 5'9" and what may work or not for you... well, you never know. Already this group is more than I expected, keep up the good work. ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from GaryWOTR@aol.com) (at Fri, 17 Jun 1994 21:35:24 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: Re: PC800 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 09:30:47 CST Hi GaryWOTR (GaryWOTR), in <9406172135.tn74097@aol.com> on Jun 17 you wrote: > or back. Had a Vista Cruise cruise control installed on the throttle before I Please describe more... What type, how easily did it mount, etc? Most throttle locks won't work on the PC due to the handlebar plastic. The barend throttlelock that is made for BMW's looks like it would fit with a fairly simple mod, but isn't cheap. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu with TCP; Mon, 20 Jun 94 09:39:44 CDT via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.940620093815.352; 20 Jun 94 09:39:37 +600 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: "Larry E. Adams" To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:36:51 CDT Subject: Re: New member Priority: normal Jason L Tibbitts III writes > > I notice a few people are using this. How does it work? I'm vacillating > on whether or not I want to spend $200 on a bigger windshield for mine. It made a noticeable difference - worth the money. However, it did not completely eliminate the wind noise problem. I will probably go ahead and purchase the Rifle windshield system and put the Staeng Stealth on it. Larry Adams ADAMSLE@BIOCOM1.BIOC.UAB.EDU ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Another new member introduces himself... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:39:29 -0400 From: Jeff Ford Hi all, New member information: My name is Jeff Ford and I live in Atlanta, GA. I bought a '90 PC with 453 miles on it -- the guy bought it and then hurt his back and couldn't ride it for a year. Then he sold his home before buying another and got into a cash flow problem and had to sell the bike. I paid $5800 and got the ground effects package and the rear spoiler and the tall windshield to boot. I think I made out like a bandit. I've got 5100 miles on it now, and I've never had any complaints about wind noise, but that might be because I'm 5'6" and I have the tall windshield. I'm able to have conversations with my passengers with relative ease just by turning my head and raising my voice a little. I *love* this bike. I feel like all the riding I've been doing for 10 years has just been practice for this bike. It's pretty as hell, it handles like a dream, it's extremely well balanced, it's quite well behaved when I take it into the N. GA mountains or to the Smoky Mountains of N. Carolina, it commutes wonderfully and I can go to the grocery store and get 3 hefty bags of groceries -- who needs a car? Someone mentioned a throttle lock/cruise control mechanism. I'm taking a trip to the Grand Canyon next year and I've promised myself I would get one before then, as well as a music/intercom system. And speaking of intercoms: I want something that it bike-to-bike, but I can also play my walkman through. Anyone got any suggestions? - Jeff ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu From: Jason L Tibbitts III Subject: Throttle Locks <19940620.77B0450.8ECC@eaenki.nde.swri.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 14:56:10 -0500 >>>>> "KP" == Kent Polk writes: KP> Hi GaryWOTR (GaryWOTR), in <9406172135.tn74097@aol.com> on Jun 17 you KP> wrote: >> or back. Had a Vista Cruise cruise control installed on the throttle >> before I KP> Please describe more... What type, how easily did it mount, etc? Most KP> throttle locks won't work on the PC due to the handlebar plastic. I looked at the Vista Cruise but after a cursory glance decided it wouldn't work. I'd love to be proved wrong, though. I'll be riding from Houston to Dallas (anyone know a good route?) in late July and I really want to save my wrist. A goldwing-style cruise is too much to ask for, I think. I did find out the other day that the front crash guards make pretty good highway pegs for my small feet. At the dealer we actually fitted some goldwing highway pegs to the front crash bars with the covers removed. Worked pretty well. --- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@tcamc.uh.edu - 713/743-8687 - 221SR1 System Admin: Texas Center for Advanced Molecular Computation 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 GM/CS/S d--- -p+ c++++ l++ u+++ e+ m---(++) n--- s/-- h* f+ g+ w+ t- r- y+** (InterLock SMTP Gateway 1.1 for ); Mon, 20 Jun 1994 17:39:25 -0400 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 16:30:22 -0500 From: glsmith%koess.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com To: "pc800@tcamc.uh.edu"%KOGW01.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com Subject: member info as a new member to this list, let me identify myself as a potential pc800 owner. i am a relative newcomer to motorcycling having gotten my one and only bike just shy of 2 years ago. i ride an 83 gl650 silverwing, but i am looking forward to the day i might actually buy a newer machine, and i seek pc800 info from the experienced owners represented here, to help me decide if a pc800 is in my future. as such, i will be lurking more than anything, but i may have a specific question that i'll ask someday. what the heck, i'll start asking now....have any of you ever owned a gl650 so you could tell me how different the pc800 feels with respect to center of gravity? i'm told the gl650 has a high center of gravity, but i have nothing to compare it to since i've never been on any other bike. on the personal side, i live in kokomo, indiana and i am 6' 2" tall (so the discussions on windshield height interest me). my e-mail address is glsmith@koess1.delcoelect.com thank you for allowing me to browse....... ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from glsmith%koess.dnet@koedgw01.delcoelect.com) (at Mon, 20 Jun 1994 16:30:22 -0500) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: member info Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 17:14:35 CST Hi glsmith (glsmith), in <199406202139.AA33846@gmlink.gmeds.com> on Jun 20 you wrote: > ever owned a gl650 so you could tell me how different the > pc800 feels with respect to center of gravity? i'm told the IMHO, the gl650 feels like the cg is about a foot higher than the PC800 cg. The PC cg is noticably lower than most large motorcycles and contributes greatly to its unexpectedly good handling and the illusion that the bike is *much* lighter than it really is... Unfortunately, Honda elected to put crappy suspension components on the bike, which terrifically degrades the cornering potential... Fortunately this can be remedied somewhat. Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 00:44:39 EDT Subject: Re: Throttle Locks Jason L. Tibbitts III writes: > At the dealer we actually fitted some goldwing highway pegs to the >front crash bars with the covers removed. Worked pretty well. At a rally last year I saw a PC where someone had fitted pegs to the crash bars and routed them out through the slots in the covers. I can't remember whether you could fold them up or not but it was a pretty neat installation. Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: JFMinyard@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 11:23:47 EDT Subject: windshields Jeff Ford writes: >I've never had any complaints about wind noise, but that might be >because I'm 5'6" and I have the tall windshield. I'm able to have >conversations with my passengers with relative ease just by turning >my head and raising my voice a little. What do your passengers say about wind noise and/or buffeting/turbulence. Part of what is prompting me to consider a larger windshield is the complaints I received from my frequent 2-up partner. She is 5'5" and says that she gets a lot of turbulence riding behind me. Wind noise is a problem for us both and spoils the enjoyment of music through the intercom. On the other hand, when she has done the steering she claims the wind is no problem. I, on the other hand, cannot tell the difference noise wise between front and back seat, but I do notice quite a bit of buffeting from the sides of the windshield. Ideally, the solution would provide increased wind protection or at least a smoother airflow and still retain the PC's sporting looks. The Rifle windshield is rumored to work quite well, tho' I have yet to hear one first hand report. The problem is the Rifle windshield makes the bike look a bit too much like a 'Wing and with that plastic base a smidgen on the cheap side too. I guess I'll just have to wait until I can get more info together before making my decision Jim Minyard ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu (Kent Polk) (from JFMinyard@aol.com) (at Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:23:47 -0400 (EDT)) To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Re: windshields Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 11:01:17 CST Hi JFMinyard (JFMinyard), in <9406211123.tn178344@aol.com> on Jun 21 you wrote: > Part of what is prompting me to consider a larger windshield is the > complaints I received from my frequent 2-up partner. She is 5'5" and says > that she gets a lot of turbulence riding behind me. Wind noise is a problem > for us both and spoils the enjoyment of music through the intercom. On the > other hand, when she has done the steering she claims the wind is no problem. > I, on the other hand, cannot tell the difference noise wise between front and > back seat, but I do notice quite a bit of buffeting from the sides of the > windshield. Ideally, the solution would provide increased wind protection or Seems (to me) that the width has more affect on the passenger's comfort and the angle/height on the driver's comfort. I don't know anyone who has purchased the Rifle, but it is more swept back (don't remember about height) and quite a bit wider... But at $200, I simply can't justify getting it just for noise reduction. I understand you can specify the height of the Rifle when ordering though... Back to noise level... I did a bit of experimenting with different helmets unfortunately after I had already purchased two RF200's :^) Seems the RF200 does pretty good in 'open air', but is a disaster in terms of noise level on the PC because the airflow hits right at the top of the face shield for me. If I bend my elbows and lower the helmet till the airflow clears the top of the faceshield, the noise level decreases dramatically. Not terribly practical. Wish I could figure a 'decent' way to get lower bars on the PC... My old Arai helmet was MUCH quieter behind the PC than the RF200's. I also noticed that when the airflow hits the top of the faceshield it is directed into the black plastic hinge covers. These provide a convenient 'sounding board' for amplifying the noise. Also noticed that the insert holes are clean through the helmet, providing a nice little sound pipe running directly from these sounding boards to your ear... I used silicon sealer (aquarium glass sealer) to plug up the holes on the inside as well as to fill the hinge cover cavity. This dampened the noise level somewhat. Of course, due to the way the auditory system attempts to 'recalibrate' itself to 'normalize' the noise level, without a sound pressure level meter it is quite difficult to determine the effect. I will say that while the noise level seems roughly the same, between the helment mods and the Saeng Stealth edging, I can easily hear the engine running at mid rpm's, which I couldn't do before, and on isolated two-land roads where there is little or no crosswind, the noise level with and without earplugs is roughly the same (different frequencies though). If a crosswind exists or traffic, etc. buffets, the noise level goes way up. The Saeng edging also allows me to ride with the faceshield up, which I simply couldn't do before - buffeting would slap the faceshield all over the place. Since I simply can't deal with a windscreen any larger than the stock one (which is like a sheet of plywood to me already), my next attempt will be to try to assist the helmet more since I think the RF200's are the real noise culprit here... Think I'm going to try to seal up the top of the faceshield somehow... Any ideas? Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute Internet : kent@eaenki.nde.swri.edu ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** From: GaryWOTR@aol.com To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 00:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: Vista Crusie cruise control Kent et. al. on the list: Kent queried about the installation of the Vista Cruise cruise control/throttle lock I had installed on the PC-800 prior to my long trek to Colorado. Had the Honda dealership here in Galveston install it for me. They have a VERY GOOD mechanic who is very ingenious and a good problem-solver. Bought the cruise control for $25.00 and they charged me only $10.00 to install the control. They would NOT let me into the shop to eyeball the installation process but BRIEFLY explained how they did it. The mechanic removed the end of the throttle bar/handle, removed the rubber throttle grip, cut about 1/4" to 3/8" length off the outer edge of the grip to allow for the width of the cruise control, snugged the control on the throttle arm up next to the plastic handlebar housing, fastening the metal piece-- that protrudes about 1/2" at a 90 degree angle from the control--with a metal screw into the end of the plastic handlebar housing. Beautiful fit and seems to be tightly bound to the housing with just that one screw. Slipped the rubber grip back on and reinstalled the end of the throttle knob. 20-30 minute process in all. $35.00 well spent--saved me time and hassle and the control saved might right hand from mucho grief on my trip. Worked beautifully with no slippage whatsoever. It has a tiny screw imbedded in the plastic clamp lever that allows for tightening with a tiny screw driver if the control starts to show signs of tension wear--requires only slight turning to tighten sufficiently. I'm very pleased with the results. I hope this description is vivid enough of a picture for ya'll to get the idea. Professional-looking job--looks like the bike came with it that way. --gary a. wade --galveston island, texas ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@sina.tcamc.uh.edu From: nthompso@az15eh09.iac.honeywell.com (Neill Thompson) Subject: Getting closer to going shopping Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:51:39 It's kind of a good news, bad news thing. The bad news is my wife of 11 years has found someone else that she thinks she'll be happier with. The good news is that we are still able to keep things on pretty amicable terms and she is not raking me over the coals financially although legally and realistically, she could. As a result of all this, I am selling my x-house and aim to make a tidy little profit. I expect the sale to go through soon and I hope to take some of the proceeds and buy a PC. I have been following the paper and the CYCLE TRADER trying to see what kind of used market there is. Since I've been watching, I have only seen one for sale. It was an '89 with 17K miles asking $3750. I wasn't financially ready at the time so I didn't even go look. Have any of the rest of you been following the resale market? Within reason, I would be willing to travel to buy if a good deal came up. (Hey, no more weekend chores around the house!) If the used market doesn't pan out, I may have to consider new. I haven't been in to any of the local dealers yet. I will probably do that soon but until then I am curious what the rest of you have been seeing at the dealers. Any experience there? Are the dealers still having trouble moving these bikes or are they not stocking them or what? Any purchasing advise, experience, recommendations, etc. would be much appreciated. I'm looking forward to getting into a bigger saddle. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Neill Thompson 'The Prince of Dorkness' '82 Honda CM200T Honeywell Inc. 'Helping you control your world' "Wee Bad" nthompso@csa-dev.iac.honeywell.com DOD 1133 ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:23:35 CDT From: mattc@balu.sps.mot.com (Matt Clemens) To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Subject: Tires? Hi all, Since I have yet to introduce myself let me go ahead and do that first. My name is Matt Clemens and I'm currently living in Austin, TX. I bought an '89 PC new about 3 years ago. I use the bike mainly for my short commute to work and the occasional weekend excursion. I've yet to do any heavy duty touring but I hope to change that in the future. Now to my question. I just took my bike in this morning for it's yearly inspection and was told it can't pass because the rear tire is getting worn. First question is how long do the stock tires usually last? I've got around 7k miles on the bike. Next question is what are good replacement tires? Seems like I've seen different names thrown around the net, Metzler being one that sticks in my mind. Also, do you usually change the front and rear at the same time? I'm also guessing that it's probably cheaper to get new tires through mail order. Any recommendations for where I should try and what I can expect to pay? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. --Matt ********** MESSAGE SEPARATOR ********** To: pc800@tcamc.uh.edu Cc: selby@decatl.alf.dec.com Subject: Introduction Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 15:07:09 -0400 From: selby@alf.dec.com Hello. My name is Dale Selby. I live in the Atlanta, GA area. I have a 1990 PC. Bought it in Sept. of 1992 off the floor (no miles). Immediately after buying it, I shattered my elbow in a softball accident and so the PC sat in my garage for 6 months. 8^( Now it is used mainly for commuting to work and mountain riding. In two years I have only put 5000 miles on it. I live within a few hours of the Blue Ridge Parkway (NC) and within 30 minutes of the north Georgia mountains. I like the PC because it was a good compromise between double up riding and sport riding. Look forward to hearing ideas and trip reports from everyone! dale........................... . .......... . . .. . ...............................or